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Ricky Enger
When transportation isn't as simple as jumping in your car, you still have to find workable strategies to get things done. In this episode, Dia Kraft and Tara Perry join us to discuss transportation options after vision loss. I'm Ricky Enger and this is Hadley Presents, supported by listeners who know how much the right conversations at the right time can help with adjusting division loss. Welcome to the show, everyone.
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Dia Craft
Hi.
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Tara Perry
Hi, Ricky.
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Ricky Enger
It is wonderful to have you both. And this is a huge topic. And in fact, it is such a huge topic that there's no way the three of us, as awesome as we are, can really cover everything. So what we're going to do is we're going to get this conversation started chatting about transportation and what we do and how we figure things out. But we also want to hear from those of you who are listening and you have ideas. So we're going to talk a little about how you can do that at the end of this episode. But for now, let's see how much we can cover. I think it makes sense to first put some voices to names and just get a bit of info about the two of you. So let's do some intros. Tara, let's start with you. Tell us a bit about yourself and if you're comfortable, just a little about your vision loss journey.
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Tara Perry
Absolutely. My name is Tara Perry and I have retinitis pigmentosa and really started losing my vision, most likely in my late teens, early 20s, to become legally blind by the time I was 26 and with my RP I had very quick vision loss. So I drove a car to graduate school in August of 90, parked it in December and was determined legally blind by July of 91. Currently, I would say my vision loss is, well, I guess I usually just say I'm blind. That seems to be the most descriptive way to say that I don't really have any functional vision.
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Ricky Enger
Right. So yeah, you had that very unusually quick vision loss with rp. Diya, how about you introduce yourself and tell us a bit about you?
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Tara Perry
Sure.
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Dia Craft
My name is Dia Craft. I live in St. Charles, Illinois. I have a disease called neuro optic neuropathy anterior, which is the medical word for optic nerve stroke. And apparently it happened in my sleep. I woke up in the morning and I felt like every other morning and rubbed my eyes and washed my face and was having difficulty seeing out of my left eye. It turned out to be an optic nerve stroke. During my sleep, the brain takes over the difficult vision eye and does its work. Several years later, the right eye had an optic nerve stroke. And that is, as I said, a little bit unusual. A lot unusual. And it did happen in my sleep, also in the same situation when I woke up. So now I. I have approximately 30% total vision. I do have some vision, which I'm very fortunate of. I have no peripheral vision. I also am classified as legally blind, and that's my vision issue right now.
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Ricky Enger
Yeah, so definitely a lot of adjustment there. So what we are here to talk about, of course, is transportation. And the beginning of that journey is the same for a lot of people, which is that you have to go through this process of giving up your car keys. For some of us, like myself, I never got to drive, and so that was my journey. But that's less common for most people. There's that moment of, okay, okay, I have a car, and now I have to give it up, so I want to start there. Tara, you mentioned that you drove your car to graduate school, and then you were not able to drive away from graduate school. So can you talk about that process of what you were thinking both from, how do I adjust to this emotionally, and what were you thinking at the time? On a practical level, did you have any ideas what you would do for transportation, or was it so sudden that you really didn't know?
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Tara Perry
I feel like I had a little bit of, I guess, foreshadowing, if you will, because as is so often typical with retinitis pigmentosa, I lost my night vision earlier. And so I had already begun limiting myself in terms of driving at night. And mostly I was just uncomfortable, but, you know, that still left me a lot of daytime. And I went to school with my undergraduate and then my master's in South Georgia. And if you don't know much about South Georgia, there's nothing but road. So I was very comfortable with that type of driving, highway driving. Right at that point, I had stopped driving at night, but it was still day driving. That was a little more crowded there, a little bit, you know, more people, a much bigger campus. And I began to notice that I just was uneasy. In hindsight, I was probably losing vision, and I didn't realize how quickly I was losing it again. You go to the doctor and they said, this is going to take decades. So I'm thinking, okay, maybe I'll have to stop driving when I'm, who knows, 40, 50, 60. I wasn't thinking 10 months. So I went to a doctor up there, and I still had acuity. I had 20, 40 acuity. And what he said to me was, legally, you can drive. I'm not going to tell you to stop driving. What I will tell you is if someone steps off a curb, you may not see them. And to this day I get chills because that impacted me greatly. What I knew then, whatever this inconvenience or difficulty was going to be with, you know, losing my vision and having transportation, I could get through that. What I knew I could not get through would be hurting someone else. So that convinced me, okay, well, I'm not going to take that chance. And so I parked the car in December. But again, my motivation was very much driven by the fact that I wouldn't live with myself if I hurt someone else. So practically, I had no idea what was coming, honest. And I love to walk. And that became my first mode of transportation was my own feet and then immediately having to get to a cane.
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Ricky Enger
Absolutely. So, Dia, I suspect it is different for you. You probably did have a little longer to drive and to be accustomed to driving like that was part of your life until it wasn't. So can you talk about your process of how did you give up the car keys and what were you thinking?
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Dia Craft
Sure. It was really, really horrible. I don't have a good word to say about it, but I knew it was time a year ago when I had been driving only in the daytime and not in the rush hour traffic, by no means in the morning when I left for work. I was a salon owner and hairstylist. So I scheduled my clients around the time frame that there wasn't traffic, which I did. When the time changed and it was dark at 4 o' clock, I panicked because I knew I had to get out of the salon to drive home a half an hour before it got dark. And I shook the whole way, just praying that it wouldn't get dark and I would be okay. And what changed me after the second eye stroke, I had terrible difficulty seeing and my peripheral was worse and worse. And I was on my way home from work and I was at a stop sign and it was a comfortable drive until I hit that stop sign and I looked both ways to the right, to the left, and I missed a young mother with a baby in a stroller by approximately an inch. And I shook and cried and waved her on and motioned to her how sorry I was, and she just lifted her hand and said it was okay. And I continued to drive home. I put the car in my garage space and I sat there for probably a very long time and just cried. And I knew in my heart there was time. How could I live with somebody that I hurt not Thinking about myself and giving up my car and my independence, thinking about others. And that was probably the last time that I ever drove again.
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Ricky Enger
Yeah, thank you both for sharing that. It's not an easy thing to talk about, especially as you're speaking dia about. It's not just a car, a mode for getting from here to there. It feels like independence. It's about doing what you want, when you want to do it. It's a difficult thing to get through. And so again, thank you both for sharing those stories. At this point, I don't know if it's safe to say you're on the other side of that because adjustment does continue to happen. I've never had a car and there's still times when I am feeling like I'm adjusting to not having that freedom of jumping in a car. But I am curious if you can remember a time where you felt like you had a transportation situation and you figured a way through it. So it could be anything. It could be, I don't know, your first time taking an Uber or maybe you had an emergency and you had to figure out something quickly. And at the end of that, you kind of said, hey, I did it. Tara, do you have an example of that?
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Tara Perry
Yes. And I was going to respond to what you were just saying. Transportation is often just a continuing issue. It gets better. Maybe your acceptance of it gets better, or if you move, it changes, or if you have friends or family, they move, that changes. So there, there are so many moving parts to me for transportation, particularly having lived in areas where there's not much in terms of public transportation. For me, I feel like it's always an adjustment and I don't. I think that's just part of having vision loss in terms of independence and how you function day to day. So I'm a small town person. I'm not a particularly city oriented person. I'm putting that in context to say I gravitate toward places that are smaller that also tends to be places that don't have a lot of opportunities for public transportation. In Mississippi, it wasn't a very big town. There were no taxis, no buses, no paratransit, and I didn't know anyone. So that was quite a challenge. Again, my residence, I would often locate where I could walk. I always walked to work as much as I could, so I could handle that part. I could get to and from work. And then the rest of it became a big question mark. Because of my field, I taught recreation and recreation therapy. So I connected with a recreation professional and we Were just talking about this issue of transportation. And she didn't know of anything either, but she said, but let me get back to you. So she did. And I ended up having some of the best transportation services I've ever had. And here's how it worked. I was able to take advantage of a group from the Methodist church that offered rides to senior citizens. Now, what I'm going to point out is I was 29 years old and I was not Methodist. And it ended up just being they were willing to accommodate. Again, there weren't many people who were blind living in this town. It was sort of an unknown for us all. But we set it up so that once a week, I could run whatever errands I had in either a morning period or an afternoon period. And it was fabulous. I could plan my grocery shopping, I could get gifts, I could get cards. I could just do whatever I needed to do with a little bit of planning. And it was reliable. It was consistent. I think when you live in areas like that, it's about connecting, it's about asking, and it's about maybe you don't fit exactly into that box, but we're all willing to give it a shot.
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Ricky Enger
Yeah, that makes sense. So making those connections, and as you said, hey, I'm not a senior and I'm not Methodist, but there happens to be the service. And so I kind of put myself out there to take part in that. And is it in your personality to reach out and connect with people, or was that part of it? A little bit of a struggle, but you knew you had to do something.
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Tara Perry
I am by nature an introvert, so that is something that my vision loss and my teaching career have sort of fostered in me. The staff member from the recreation area facilitated that connection, but I had to reach out to her to begin with. So it's part of learning. It's part of dealing with the situation. Teaching yourself to be an advocate, identifying your needs, being able to share and open up. And that great task of asking others for help, which is, I think, hard for most people. Hard if you're an introvert, hard if you're an extrovert. It's just, you know, it's something that we definitely have to get used to.
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Ricky Enger
Absolutely. It is. It's a hard thing to do, regardless. Diya, you're in a bigger city, so I imagine your experiences might be different because there are options in larger cities that simply don't exist in the smaller towns. So what has your experience been with figuring out this whole transportation bit and you might even still be in the middle of discovering some of that.
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Dia Craft
You're absolutely right. I am in a bigger city than Tara. First of all, you have to be your own advocate, which took me several years to figure that one out. I am in the state of Illinois and there are lots of opportunities for people in this state that are not made open and aware of unless you pursue it. And I was very persistent. I pursued it daily for several months. I googled every day, especially when I was down in the dumps and emotional and feeling sorry for myself. Ultimately, I took care of it. I found several agencies that were able to help me. They were able to offer me assistance with getting to the store, driving me doctor's appointments. The hardest thing for me in the beginning was I have been approved from ada, which is American Disability association, and I believe that is throughout the United States. I get a discount on every ride share and also on pace transportation throughout Illinois I get a big discount on Uber. So I do not hesitate to take it because it's so inexpensive.
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Ricky Enger
Yeah, I think the way it works is it's different for each state. So they call it the ADA voucher. Each state ends up, and sometimes even each region. And it's not across every state if you qualify for this and if your state provides it. Because unfortunately some of them, while they call it an ADA voucher, it's actually a part of the special transportation system or whatever it's called in each state. But Googling will tell you a lot about that. Or you can certainly call us at Hadley, tell us where you are, and we can assist in looking that up for you. Because I mean, you're talking about this and being able to get out the door for very cheaply. That sounds very attractive, right?
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Dia Craft
Yeah, it's wonderful actually for me, a lifesaver. Losing my vision was a life change, as everybody understands. But getting comfortable with the Uber and the tapping on the cake is the price. It's amazing. It's absolutely life changing. But to get to that point, it took me one year. I was so scared to get into an Uber even in the daylight. I never took an Uber at night until recently because I was fearful of it. I finally concentrated on taking baby steps, as I call it. And I did. I joined a park District drive to. To different functions, theater luncheons and so forth. And I remember getting into the park district bus and shaking, literally shaking of fear that something would happen to me. And I made it to the theater and I continued to try different things and challenge myself and I did it.
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Ricky Enger
And did you feel better after, say, the first time that you had taken that bus or that rideshare, or did it take a few times before some of that fear went away? There is that feeling of vulnerability and how do I know I'm going to be safe? And all of that. How quickly do you feel like that went away for you?
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Tara Perry
It still hasn't.
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Dia Craft
That's been an issue. I take all the precautions. If I'm out at night, I'm usually in a location where I have a friend, or even if I'm in a restaurant, I will ask the hostess or whoever to walk me outside and I will show her or him the driver's license plate number on my phone and make sure that I get into the right car. That's in the evening, because I'm totally blind in the dark during the day. Before I can recognize the license plate, I get into the car and I know the person's name, and I ask the name. I don't reveal the name. And then I ask them, who am I? And they say my name, and then I get in the car. So I take several steps before I'm comfortable. And it's amazing. I'm more relaxed once I get into the car.
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Ricky Enger
And those are some really, really good safety tips. You do pretty much exactly my approach as well, where they have to tell me who they're here to pick up, they have to give me their name, as opposed to my saying, are you so? And so one thing I will do, not being able to see the stops that I'm passing, I will bring up Apple Maps or Google Maps and say, give me directions to wherever. And so I have that knowledge of, okay, we're turning where it says to turn, or, okay, no, we didn't turn where that said to turn. Let me really be aware of what's going on so that I can press that little Uber safety button in the app. So all of these different things that we learn to do to feel safe. Tara, I don't know if you take rideshare often or if you were taking taxis when you were in D.C. that kind of thing. What did you do to make sure that whatever mode of transportation you were on, you felt safe or less vulnerable?
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Tara Perry
Yes. You mentioned I also lived in a more urban area where I used the subway and then commuter buses. And that was my first exposure to a ride share program. And I'm learning from you guys because some of this stuff I don't do. Currently, I live back in Georgia, and the only thing I have access to here and is ride share or friends and family. And so for me, my concern is usually are they going to accept my dog? Because I do travel with a seeing eye dog and oftentimes like for example, if I'm waiting at the doctor's office or something now I'm usually in a place where mini cars are pulling up and I'm thinking, is that one for me? Is that one for me? And somehow sometimes they don't understand how blind I am until I can't find the door. That's usually a pretty good indicator when I'm like, is this the door? You don't have it? Yes, we have to have a sense of humor about finding the door. So I do often am very aware of where I'm going. It's not a very big place and we're not going far typically. And oftentimes they'll have their GPS on and I'm aware enough of the directions to know if we're going the right direction or if we go someplace totally different. I will often just ask, know what road are we on? You know, why are we taking this one? Or just try to conversationally to bring up something. Rarely have I felt uncomfortable. But again, now I'm in a very. I'm in a small town environment. I've had none of the issues here with my service animal.
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Ricky Enger
Yeah, that totally makes sense. And because it's a small area, you might have fewer transportation options. But do you find that if you have to get somewhere immediately, there's kind of that small town vibe you could call on people to help you because everyone knows everyone or is it a little different than that?
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Tara Perry
I've just been here four years and again, I'm slower to get to know people. I think that that does exist. It is more dependent on my willingness to ask. Yeah, so I absolutely think it exists. And again, that's a personality thing for me and I'm getting better at it over all these years. I do have some family here. I want to be careful about my independence and careful about what I ask and how much I ask because I want our relationship be me being dependent on someone, if that makes sense. I want that balance in a relationship there, even with my family. So yes, I do think people are willing and I've learned to say, hey, I need to do this and I can do it over the next three or four days. What would work in your schedule or if it is immediate? Usually if it's immediate, something to do with my dog and everybody jumps up to say yes to that. Of course, yes, I Do think the willingness is there. And they may not be aware of blindness, but then once they begin to see that exposure, they. They also, you know, they're not seeing a lot of taxi. They're not. There's no bus. Those options are not there. And they. People are also aware of that once they get to know you a little bit.
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Ricky Enger
I feel like we're all at different points of this sort of transportation journey, and I'm certainly still learning a lot, too. There are things I wish I had known at the beginning of this. I always knew that I wasn't going to be able to get behind the wheel of a car. I wish I had known that there were more ways to get around than going door to door. And I know that sounds funny. Of course I knew that public transportation existed, but I wish I had known kind of the freedom of that, to jump on a bus, get close to where I needed to go, and then go walking the rest of the way. And it's just something that I didn't grow up doing. And I think I could have spent less time waiting for people to drive me places had I been a little more adventurous and understood what was available and what it could offer to me. So for the two of you, and I guess we'll start with you, Dia, is there some piece of advice that you would give someone now that you would wish you had known when you had to give up those keys and start figuring out how to get yourself around?
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Dia Craft
Yeah, I think the most important thing is to be your own advocate, to really figure out wherever you live, whatever town you're in, what agencies are available. I have three agencies that take me to appointments, to the grocery store, and when I can't reach those agencies or if they are busy, I have to instacart. And that's an app to get food in. So to answer your question, I should have started sooner. I should have been more proactive.
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Ricky Enger
Yeah, thank you for that. And you never know what is out there until you start looking. Because before then you only know what. What you've seen other people do. So maybe you've seen people jump on the train and you know about that. But if you're not at that point, you're thinking, I don't have any other options but the train or an Uber. It's amazing because start looking. I may very well find something.
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Dia Craft
I don't recognize anybody with vision issues except an occasional person that was walking with a white cane. It's really difficult because people look at me as an example, looking at me and Saying to me, you don't look legally blind. I reply by saying, well, what does a blind person look like? Do I have to wear dark glasses? Do I have to walk with a white cane and a ball at the end of it? Will that make a difference? There are people all over this world that have difficulties or disabilities that we can't see.
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Ricky Enger
And Tara, what about you? If you had to give a piece of advice to someone that you wish you had heard when you started out, or even recently for that matter, I.
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Tara Perry
Think what I would encourage anyone who's in a small town area or a rural area, just areas that don't have a lot of public transportation options readily available, it works. And I guess I would say it works, but it works by what you guys are just talking about, looking to see what is there. And I've lived a lot in the south in my life, and you just begin to understand that maybe it is a church and maybe I don't have to be a member of that church. You know, that that's not an assumption I have to do. Maybe it's awkward that way. Or maybe there's a organization, maybe there's a Lions Club or maybe there's a Kiwanis and. Or maybe there's somebody that knows somebody. I also saw when I lived in Maryland there was something called Partners and Care. And it was people who were 55 and older. And at that time I was not. Their adage was neighbors helping neighbors. And it was a volunteer group and some people who could see, they would volunteer to drive and people who had other opportunities, they might work in a store or they might make calls or do something different. So I also would add that there are county organizations for most counties and I have found that to be true. Whether it's a, it might be a Council on Aging or if you're not there yet, oftentimes they'll also have something that combines with disability and there may be services through there. You know, you just don't know without doing a good bit of research. But it doesn't mean it's non existent. It might be harder to come by. I guess there are some situations where it truly may not be there, but there, there are just ways. And it's much more about connecting, relating. And you might be that person's first interaction with someone who has vision loss or is blind and they, they don't know. Maybe they need to know and they'll learn. And a lot of that comes through that interaction and, and conversation. And I guess that would be what I would Encourage is you might have to think outside of the box, if that's an old phrase. But it helps to just think outside of a box and also just to open yourself up to asking because someone else might have an answer that you don't know. You haven't been a part of that community in that way. So I also have heard others who use Facebook, hey, I live in this rural area. I need a ride. And have been quite surprised and pleasantly surprised by the response they've gotten from people they're may not even know, but might have a common interest or want to go to that park or want to go to that venue or do something. And. And it's. It's been able to connect that way. I think. The other thing is, if you've ever driven, then when you start paying for ride share, it is not inexpensive necessarily. If, especially if you don't have an. A paratransit opportunity or a bus opportunity available, you know, Uber, depending on the time of day, depending on where you want to go, it can cost me an extra $50 to go to the doctor's appointment. And that's before you add the tip. So I actually had to teach myself to allow myself a budget, so I didn't resent it.
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Ricky Enger
Yeah, right.
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Tara Perry
And then I'll actually maybe go get a pedicure or do something other than the necessities. It's okay if I spend that money to do that, if that's my budget, if that makes sense. Otherwise I would be just doing the necessity. So I had to find a way to give myself some permission and latitude to do something I just wanted to do occasionally.
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Ricky Enger
That makes a lot of sense. When you think about how much money it takes to get out of the house, then you start to make the decision, well, I can never get out unless it's for an emergency. And that is very much a feeling. Quite the opposite of freedom, right?
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Tara Perry
Very much so, yeah.
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Ricky Enger
So it sounds like really what you're both saying is two things. Advocate for yourself and be creative in how you try and find these connections or these transportation opportunities. Wow, this has been such an incredible conversation. I feel like we've covered a lot. I know we haven't covered everything, and I knew there was no way we would be able to cover everything because every place is different, every person is different, and every situation is different. And that's why we want to hear from you all in addition to what we have said today. So at Hadley, we're all about building community, making those connections. And as we found out today, that is incredibly important. So what we're doing is we like to call this ask your neighbor. So it's one of those things where. Where. Well, I don't know. So I'll ask my neighbor. Maybe my neighbor knows. And just making those connections, sharing resources. So we do really want to hear from you if there's something that you have discovered, you know, some tip or trick that we didn't cover during this episode for finding transportation options that really work for you. Please do share those ideas with us. Share with all your lovely virtual neighbors in the Hadley community. We really want to hear from you. You can leave us a voicemail or you can send us an email and there's even a way that you can record a message on our site so you can actually call our podcast line. It's 847-784-28. And just leave that voicemail. We hope to include that in a future episode. I'll also have in the show notes ways that you can email us a recording. Do it directly from our site as well. Any final thoughts as we wrap up here? This has been amazing, both of you.
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Tara Perry
This is Tara, and I just thank you for the opportunity and I hope that others will call in their solutions because I think they're as diverse as our population and so there may be so many other ways that we don't yet know about.
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Ricky Enger
Thank you. Tara. How about you, Dia?
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Tara Perry
Sure.
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Dia Craft
This is Dia. I just want to thank you from the bottom of my heart.
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Ricky Enger
Thank you so much, Dia and Tara for sharing your stories and your tips and your tricks and it's just been a wonderful conversation. And thank you all for listening. Hadley presents is here because of listeners who know that real conversations about vision loss can make all the difference. Thank you to Hadley's donors and thank you for listening. Got something to say? Share your thoughts about this episode of Hadley Presents or make suggestions for future episodes. We'd love to hear from you. Send us an email@podcast hadleyhelps.org that's P O D C A S T hadleyhelps.org or leave us a message at 847-784-2870. Thanks for listening.