B (3:20)

Yeah, it's totally small. And it's definitely going to be done with a handheld magnifier and under decent lighting. Also, there are times like I know that there's one that you can kind of just put up against your forehead and you know, a partner or family member or something like that can read that off pretty quickly. And so that's sometimes what happens in our household as well. But for the most part it's going to be done with a magnifying glass. And, you know, like a lot of other things. For me, Ricky, the other thing that I might do, I might actually take a picture of it with my smartphone and then enlarge it as needed so that I can read it. And, you know, I'll probably do that with other things as well. But that is kind of like a backup for me.

A (4:05)

That's pretty clever. Actually. These are things that I wouldn't think about. My first thought would be, sure, get a magnifier. But then you're holding the magnifier over the thing and if the reading disappears and the thing turns off because it's conserving power, like you're done with it, then what do you do? So actually taking a picture makes a lot of sense. So for me, I have used a talking thermometer and we'll have a link to at least one of these in the show notes. And I have found that for whatever reason, the talking thermometer does indeed talk and it does take a measurement. And, and that measurement may or may not be accurate. So what I've done is, number one, make sure that it is at least consistent with itself, if that makes any sense. So if I take, you know, two or three readings, I want those to be the same because I don't think my body temperature is going to be fluctuating that much in that limited space of time. So that's the first thing that I will do. And then the second thing, and I kind of take this approach with all of my measurements, is that If I'm with a healthcare professional at some point and they're doing those measurements, I'll bring my thermometer along during that yearly checkup or whatever it is, just so that I can measure it against what the healthcare professional's thing says. And that way I know, hey, it's off by a degree, but it's consistently off by a degree. So I can have a general idea of kind of what the truth is when I get that measurement.

B (6:01)

Yeah, what a great idea. I think a lot of the consumer stuff that we get, this probably holds true for scales as well. They're going to be off a little bit, but that's a great way to calibrate them with something that a professional has.

A (6:14)

I did eventually get a thermometer that works with an app instead with my smartphone. And I guess the upside for this is that everyone can use the same thermometer, you know, just as you would otherwise, and it can sync to these. These different profiles. And it's nice to, you know, for whatever reason, I didn't want that spoken aloud. That's less TR for a thermometer and definitely more so for a scale.

B (6:50)

Okay, yes.

A (6:52)

Then I can have it synced to that app. So when it comes to a scale, is your approach similar for getting the reading off the scale? Now, those screens tend to be a little bit bigger, but maybe it's still kind of that same approach. Is it?

B (7:13)

Well, embarrassingly, yes. And it's kind of an old scale that's got an LED screen on it. And I think when I first got it, it had a nice big LED screen that I was probably able to read. But here we are years later, and it's less easy to read. So what I'm going to do then is I'm going to use the camera on my smartphone to take a look at that and sometimes just snap a picture and then blow it up so that I can read. But, you know, you could also use a monocular, too, I think, in a situation like that, you know, just a small handheld telescope or something like that to bump it up. But again, you know, kind of like what we were talking about with the thermometer. That's one of those things where when I replace it, I'll replace it with one that's a talking scale.

A (8:03)

Right. And they do. The talking scales have come quite a ways from what they used to be. Now they can measure a lot of different things. So not just your weight, they're doing some things to calculate what your body mass index is or even in some Cases how much water that scale is detecting in your body. But they still do the very important thing of announcing your weight. And they have volume controls. So it's Not a from 1 to 10 kind of volume control, it's more of a low volume, high. And then announce to the whole block level of, you know how loud that is. And it's good that it has that loudest setting because if you are having difficulty hearing something, you don't want to be trying to bend down to that speaker and listen as it says your weight. Now I also of course have a scale. I actually have a couple of them that sync to an app and the reason I have a couple of them is because they tend to measure different things. And so if you have a smartphone and if you either have concerns about kind of announcing things to the world or you just want to be able to have these metrics stored in your phone in that health app. So Apple and Android do have a health app where various things are tracked. The app based scale can be great for this. And what I really like about it for the scale, what I can do is step on the scale, do the measurement and. And if I were a person in that position of I'm still trying to figure out how to use my smartphone, it's not always super straightforward. I love using a smart assistant for something in that case because these apps sync with your phone. You can just ask that smart assistant, what was my weight today? And it will tell you. And that's really, really nice. If again, opening that app or looking at it, making sure that you're seeing everything, maybe that's problematic for you.

B (10:43)

Yeah, that sounds like it's, you know, it streamlines the whole thing and just makes it easy. So, you know, for example, you might ask Siri about it or the Google Assistant or something like that.

A (10:53)

Exactly. So blood pressure is another one of these things that I never used to think about at all and now I do. So if you are measuring your blood pressure at home, these two tend to have big screens, but there are talking ones and app based ones as well. We'll have links to a couple of those in the show notes and I think this one more so than any other one. Every single blood pressure device tends to do its measuring a little differently. And it is so important to make sure that you've kind of synced that with what the measurement that a healthcare professional is giving you because they can be off by 15 to 20 points, which is a huge, huge deal. But if you understand, oh no, my blood pressure isn't really that. It's just how this machine measures it. It stays consistent. Then I think you're okay. Have you ever used one of these, whether it's a talking one or even just one that you're kind of looking down at the screen for?

B (12:11)

I have in the past, but usually it's not for me. I'm someone who has a relatively low blood pressure. But, you know, as a vision rehab therapist, I often have worked with people in the past on glucose meters and blood pressure monitors and that sort of thing. So I've kind of used both. One with a large print monitor. And, you know, again, they're okay. It really depends on the lighting. I really think for something like that, I would probably lean right from the outset with a talking one. They've been around for a while and they're pretty good and they don't add a whole lot of cost. So I think that that's one of the easiest ways to go. Now, it sounds like, I'm going to guess now that you can probably sync them to your phone and do the same sort of thing where you're kind of able to monitor it as time goes on.

A (13:00)

Exactly. And that's nice. There's one called Omron that will sync with your phone. It doesn't talk, but it does keep track of those metrics and it'll tell you in the app, this is hypertension stage one, or this is low, or I detected heart arrhythmia or whatever it is, and it will go ahead and sync with that health app. So you can ask your smart assistant about it. But for the talking ones, they've come a long way as well because they will announce those same kinds of things. Whatever it detects, if it is normal, low hypertension stage whatever, or if it detected an abnormality or if it didn't measure correctly, which can sometimes happen, it'll give you that error aloud, which is nice. And the other thing that these talking blood pressure monitors can do is you can review your measurements over the past 30 days or the past 90 days, because they place them in memory and that's really nice because who's going to remember what their blood pressure was a week ago? But if you can use that device to tell you, so much the better.

B (14:24)

So it's actually stored in the memory on the device. Like, you don't have to have it connected to a smartphone?

A (14:29)

Yes.

B (14:30)

Oh, that's perfect. You know, because a lot of folks aren't using their smartphone, or maybe they're not at the point where, you know, it's really accessible to them. So that's a great feature.

A (14:41)

Absolutely. And you can take these in to your healthcare professional, not only to be able to measure against their device, but also they do have a screen on them, even though they talk. So it's not so specialized that no one could use it. But you. You mentioned just a bit ago working with people who are using glucose meters. So if you've got diabetes and you need a way to track that, there are approaches for this. Which ones have you seen people use, Steve? Is it a talking one or something with large print or what is it?

B (15:22)

It was primarily a talking one, and I think the one we were using, and again, this goes back a few years, was probably the Prodigy, because I think that that was one of the first ones that was talking. And it was interesting because at the time, too, I believe they were more expensive and they were often not the ones that were given to patients. Usually they were given an inexpensive one. So they would have to advocate for themselves. But I suspect that they have come a long way in terms of the number of ones that are out there that are available that, you know, have speech output, at least that. That would be my hope.

A (15:59)

Interestingly enough, it turns out that the Prodigy is still the gold standard. And thankfully, they have addressed the issue of being able to get that through insurance. I think the cost has come down, and it's little easier to advocate for that now. If you've just become diabetic and you're still figuring out, or maybe you've been diabetic for a while, but you're, you know, still figuring out, well, how do I get the blood to the strip? That is something that, number one, Hadley has a workshop on that. So we go through kind of some tips and tricks that you might use. But also, if you work with your diabetes education professional, they can give you some tips and tricks as well for making sure that blood drop gets on the strip, so you're not wasting a bunch of them because you're having a difficult time seeing where that drop is meant to go.

B (17:07)

You know, it was great in our state, too, was the diabetic educators oftentimes would call in vision rehab therapists, too. So we could work with folks. Folks, it was great because, you know, a lot of times the client or patient may not have the opportunity to see the diabetes educator on a weekly basis or something like that, whereas we could. And we could spend the time practicing. So, you know, that might be something else that a person thinks about or asks about. You know, what are the Other alternatives to practice with this, because sometimes it does take a little bit of practice to get that piece of it down.

A (17:42)

Yes. And if you are either having a little trouble with that or you're in a position where you're thinking, I don't want to do these sticks all the time, I would love to move on to something like a continuous glucose monitor. Those are available now, and they do sync with a smartphone app. They essentially will measure, I think, every five minutes or every 15 minutes, depending on which one you have. And they are relatively accessible. Now, there's a couple of things that you do have to think about when using them. One, of course, you do need that smartphone in order to be able to have the app. But the other thing that you've got to think through is you change these, I forget exactly what you call them, but the thing that tracks, it's placed on the back of your upper arm, and you replace that every 14 days. And so the process of getting it attached to yourself is pretty accessible, but you do have to connect it to the app every 14 days. And so this is one of those things where there's a four digit code and there's also the app has a way that you can get something in frame where it automatically grabs the code. So that I think is the most not straightforward part of the process is doing that part of it with low or no vision. Do you have someone to read you that code real quick? Can you use the magnifier on your phone? Can you turn on Zoom or what have you to get it zoomed into either that code that you enter manually or kind of get it framed the way you want it to. And once that's out of the way again, you can ask your smart assistant, what's my blood sugar right now?

B (19:54)

You know, it sounds like it might be a little tricky at the outset, but, you know, something like that can be a real game changer for somebody who has sometimes a very unpredictable glucose readings, which isn't that unusual. But something like this, where you've got that constant monitoring, that's just huge over what was available again 10 or 12 years ago.

A (20:17)

Absolutely. And if you are still struggling with getting that blood on the strip consistently, you know, I wasted six strips and finally I got it. And if that just becomes such drudgery, it's good to know that this is another way you can approach it. So what I wanted to accomplish with this podcast, I guess, was just to let people know what might be available that you're unaware of. If these are things that you're struggling with. And certainly we haven't covered all of the health metrics that you might want to track. But this can give you an idea of how to think about it, some different approaches that might be available. And the one thing that we didn't touch on so much is if you get this measurement and if you need to keep track of it, let's say that your device doesn't have that memory or you're not really familiar with how to navigate through that memory and see all these past readings. So if it's not being stored in your phone automatically, what are some ways that people can get that measurement and keep track of it in a way that's then easier to reference later?

B (21:42)

Yeah. You want the Steve's low vision approach?

A (21:45)

Absolutely.

B (21:48)

Get yourself a nice felt tip marker and put it in large print. And again, it really depends on what you're trying to accomplish. But these days I would probably go to some sort of an audio recorder and there's two that I recommend. Like I use an Android phone, so I have a free app called HiQ Recorder and it, you know, it's free from the Play Store. But what I like about it is I put it on the home screen. So you just touch it, it opens up and then you record what you need. What I would use that recorder for is something real quick. The other thing, for somebody who's not using a smartphone, Ricky, use a recorder like an easy to use recorder, like the Micro Speak. I think it's $70 from most places and you might even be surprised. I think I did see it on one of the box stores. Normally I would suggest independent living aids or LS or one of those places. But what's so nice about that too is again, it's an easy to use recorder and I would just keep track of the recordings on that. You can do it simultaneously and then if you need to write them down later, or you could even take the recorder into the doctor's office with you and play some of those things back. So that's the way I would approach that.

A (23:04)

I think that's really helpful, especially if you're in that stage where I can't quite read my writing anymore and the smartphone is not my best friend yet. But I still need to be able to keep track of these things both for myself and for my doctor. That's a pretty straightforward way to get it done.

B (23:30)

Yeah. And I think for some of these things, you know, depending on what's going on, accuracy is critical. So, you know, if you're, if you're really at the point where you're having difficulty reading your own writing. I know I am. You know, there are a lot of times when I have difficulty with it, which is why I would use the recorder. That's going to be more accurate for me.

A (23:48)

Yeah, absolutely. And definitely more accurate than depending on your own memory, because that can get difficult.

B (23:57)

Yeah. And frankly convenient too because, you know, it's like, okay, where is that bold line pen? Which drawer is it in? Blah, blah, blah. So I usually have my phone and I think for somebody who's not a phone user who is going to be recording this stuff, say on a micro speak, they're going to have that recorder in their backpack or their purse or their pocket too, because they're going to be using it the same way. So I think that that just is a lot more convenient overall.

A (24:24)

Well, I think this has been a nice informative discussion. Whether you want to keep track of things or you have to keep track of things at least helps to know that there are ways to do it when you need to and that you're not going to be left scrambling. If you really need to take that measurement now, you can at least think through, well, how am I going to do that? We will have links to some examples of all of these things, both talking and app based measurement devices that you can check out. And if you have something that we didn't mention or you have maybe a recommendation for a particular device, we would love to to hear from you. So we'll have that contact info at the end of the show. Steve, it's always fun to chat with you.

B (25:22)

Yeah, thanks for the invite, Ricky. I enjoyed being here.

A (25:25)

Yeah, I appreciate your input as always. And until next time, thanks so much for dropping by. Got something to say? Share your thoughts about this episode of Hadley Presents or make suggestions for future episodes. We'd love to hear from you. Send us an email@podcastadleyhelps.org that's P O D C A S T hadleyhelps.org or leave us a message at 847-784-2870. Thanks for listening.