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Episode: Thinking About a Guide Dog?
Air Date: February 12, 2026
Host: Ricky Enger
Guests: Judy Davis and Nancy Cronjack, Guide Dog Handlers

Episode Overview

This episode dives into the complexities and joys of choosing, training, and living with a guide dog as a person with vision loss. Host Ricky Enger is joined by Judy Davis (a seasoned handler on her third guide dog) and Nancy Cronjack (new journey with her first guide dog), who share personal stories, debunk myths, and offer practical advice for anyone considering the guide dog path. The conversation balances honest insights on the freedom and companionship a guide dog brings, with the reality and responsibilities involved.

Guest Introductions & Personal Journeys

[01:44 – 03:59]

• Judy Davis:

  • Lives in western North Carolina; background in library science; extensive experience with support groups for the blind.
  • Currently on her third guide dog, Orville (black lab, 4 years together).
  • Candid about her transition to guide dogs, only making the leap after many years with a cane.

• Nancy Cronjack:

  • Living in New Jersey, with husband and first guide dog, Vince (2-year-old black lab/golden retriever mix, together since Sept 2025).
  • Vision loss due to RP (Retinitis Pigmentosa), diagnosed as a teenager.
  • Previously used a cane or sighted guide, found cane travel “wasn’t fun,” and felt isolated after her children moved out.
  • Quote (Nancy, [04:33]): “For me, going out with a dog, walking out with Vince is like... a teenager getting a driver's license. All of a sudden, I have all this freedom...it’s liberating.”

Deciding to Get a Guide Dog

[03:59 – 07:35]

• For Nancy, the cane felt unnatural and was “work, it wasn’t fun,” leading her to seek the joy and freedom of a guide dog.
• Judy delayed getting a dog due to family responsibilities and being new to vision loss; found the transition required her to be ready to trust a dog over her own residual vision.
• Judy emphasized you need to be active (“If you aren’t walking a lot, maybe wait”) as dogs suit people with active, outdoor lifestyles.
• Both express how the switch to a guide dog led to increased independence and enjoyment.

Common Misconceptions About Guide Dogs

[07:35 – 13:50]

• Orientation & Mobility Skills Matter:
  • Ricky highlights, contrary to popular belief, you do need to develop strong cane/orientation skills before getting a guide dog. The dog supplements your skills; it doesn’t replace your spatial awareness or judgment.
• Service Dog =/= Family Pet:
  • Nancy had to clarify to her family that Vince is a working dog, not a general pet—although outside of harness, he is friendly and loving.
  • “Once you put a harness on... he’s concentrated on me.” (Nancy, [08:53])
• Role of the Handler:
  • Nancy: “I’m the GPS and the guide dog actually keeps me safe.” ([09:47])
  • Example: Vince practiced “intelligent disobedience” during a hazardous situation, refusing to cross a street blocked by trucks and landscaping equipment—potentially saving Nancy from walking into danger ([11:31]).

Reality: The Guide Dog Match May Not Always Work

[13:50 – 17:23]

• Judy’s first dog, Mandrake, wasn’t a successful match; sometimes dogs aren’t cut out for the work. It took time and school support to recognize and address the issue.
• Not every pairing is perfect, and it’s OK to acknowledge if it’s not working out.
  • “Not all guide dog pair matches work... His heart was just not ready to be a guide dog.” (Judy, [14:24])
• The positive resolution: Mandrake retrained to assist a child with autism, Judy found a new successful match in her next dog.
• Both discuss how a cane is more “predictable” in terms of longevity, while a dog’s working span and fit can vary.

Unique Benefits of Guide Dogs

[17:23 – 22:47]

• Social Connection and Visibility:
  • The dog becomes a clear signal of vision loss; people are more understanding and approachable.
  • Nancy: “People understand that I have a vision problem...That’s liberating.” ([18:07])
  • Guide dog as an “icebreaker”—increases likelihood of community engagement and conversation ([19:31]).
• Community Kindness:
  • Judy shares stories of neighbors assisting her not because she’s “the blind lady” but because she’s “the lady with the nice dog.” Social bridges are built from casual encounters with Orville.
  • Memorable Moment ([21:02]): Judy’s neighbor, after helping her with tree trimming, continued to help with groceries and transportation—a relationship rooted in connection fostered by the dog.

The Cons and Responsibilities

[22:47 – 31:22]

• Logistics & Physical Space:
  • Dogs (especially large ones) take up space in cars and airplane cabins; it can be uncomfortable during travel.
  • “Dogs take up space...you’re trying to shift your feet to keep your knees from falling apart.” (Judy, [23:32])
• Care Obligations:
  • Daily bathroom routines, needing to go out regardless of weather, grooming, teeth brushing—all required to keep the dog healthy, clean, and eligible for public access.
  • “Your dog has to be well groomed and behave.” (Judy, [24:57])
• Guide Dog School Commitment:
  • Nancy describes initial anxiety about 24-day immersive training required by her school, including being away from home and family.
  • Supportive training, peer support, and aftercare (e.g., instructors available for post-graduation tune-ups or behavioral issues).
    • “I don’t feel alone in this journey...They’re still there. They’re wonderful resources.” (Nancy, [31:05])

Decision-making Insights & Final Advice

[31:22 – 38:00]

• Not a Fit for Everyone:
  • It's a personal decision: matching lifestyle, readiness for responsibility, and openness to the unpredictability of canine partnership.
• Research Guide Dog Schools:
  • Over a dozen different schools in the U.S., each with different lengths, breeds, training styles, possible stipends, and support.
  • Most schools are free, some offer financial help for vet expenses, and there are options for those with allergies (e.g. poodles).
    • “Don’t rule out having a guide dog if you or someone in your family has allergies.” (Judy, [34:53])
  • Recommendation: Guide Dog Users, Inc. (gdui.org) for lists of schools and school profiles.
  • “Don’t rule anything out until you do your research.” (Judy, [35:33])
• Application Process:
  • Nancy details lengthy screening: paperwork, references, interviews, and home visits. Schools want to be sure both dog and person will thrive.
  • Many schools cover transportation costs for training, even for long-distance applicants ([36:00]).
• Emotional Bond:
  • Beyond mobility, a guide dog is a source of warmth, comfort, and unconditional loyalty.
    • “There’s just that warm fuzzy...It adds such a special part to your life.” (Judy, [37:27])

Notable Quotes & Moments

• Freedom Amplified:
  • “For me, going out with a dog, walking out with Vince is like... a teenager getting a driver's license. All of a sudden, I have all this freedom... it’s liberating.” (Nancy, [04:33])
• Intelligent Disobedience:
  • “I kept telling Vince, hop up, which means go. He wouldn’t move...eventually she came down to meet us at the end of the block, and she said he was right for not moving. There are two trucks in front of you... No wonder he wasn’t progressing and going into danger. I think it’s called intelligent disobedience.” (Nancy, [11:31])
• Honest Reality:
  • “Not all guide dog pair matches work...His heart was just not ready to be a guide dog.” (Judy, [14:24])
• Community:
  • “I live alone...connecting with my neighbors is a joy and also very helpful...part of it is the dog. Yes, I have a good personality, but I think the dog got it started.” (Judy, [21:08])
• Responsibility:
  • “There’s also the brushing...your dog has to be well groomed and behave.” (Judy, [24:57])
• Lifelong Support:
  • “I don’t feel alone in this journey...They’re still there. They’re wonderful resources.” (Nancy, [31:05])
• Emotional Bond:
  • “There’s just that warm fuzzy...It adds such a special part to your life.” (Judy, [37:27])

Timestamps for Key Segments

• Guest Intros & Backgrounds: [01:44 – 03:59]
• Why Choose a Guide Dog? [03:59 – 07:35]
• Misconceptions & Training Philosophy: [07:35 – 13:50]
• When the Match Doesn’t Work: [13:50 – 17:23]
• Unexpected Gifts (Freedom, Icebreaker): [17:23 – 22:47]
• Practical Cons & Responsibilities: [22:47 – 31:22]
• Final Advice and Emotional Rewards: [31:22 – 38:00]

Final Words of Wisdom

• Research thoroughly; explore all school options.
• Consider your lifestyle, readiness for responsibility, and need for companion vs. purely mobility tool.
• A guide dog brings both challenges and rewards—emotionally, physically, and socially.
• Support and resources from guide dog schools and communities are extensive—don’t hesitate to reach out or ask!

This episode provides an honest yet uplifting perspective on the guide dog journey, bursting with firsthand experience and practical guidance for listeners considering a guide dog, or wanting to better understand the role these incredible animals play in the lives of people with vision loss.