A (4:05)

Absolutely. I think that's so well put, just removing some of that stigma and removing some of the fear. Because a lot of times it is the fear of the unknown and the fear of being seen as weak or less than. And so having that support is just so important. What about families, though? You know, sometimes, thankfully, if you are experiencing vision loss, you're not alone. And perhaps you do have a support network, but sometimes families have ideas about things that may differ from yours or differ from what's ultimately best for you. Do families have resistance to cane use? What does some of that look like?

B (4:56)

Absolutely. It's a very interesting dynamic because whenever someone is blind, well, they'll just move in with me and I'll take care of them. No, we don't need your help. We can do everything ourselves. They don't need that white cane or that stick thing. I'm going to be with them. No matter where they go, I will be there. And part of overcoming that is listening to listen first. Because it's not only fear for the person who is blind or low vision, it's also fear for the family. What is the unknown. So listening to them and almost winning their confidence because we see people who lose their sight. I work with adults so they can be adventitiously blind as young as 22 and as old as 88. But no matter what, the need for life hasn't died. And winning the family members thoughts of let's don't dampen their joy, let's try to make it better is probably the biggest battle that makes a lot of sense.

A (6:06)

And I love what you said about you can still show them that you love them. It's just going to take a different form because there is that feeling of I want to take care of the person that I love. And sometimes teach. Taking care of them means being supportive in giving them the confidence to take care of themselves. So I think that it's important to keep those things in mind and just to be aware that you as a family member, can still be very supportive of someone who is going through this, and you can do that in a way that benefits both of you. Is there more than one reason we've talked about using a cane? To keep from bumping into things. Using a cane to remain safe and show cars, for instance, that maybe you can't see them so they should watch for you. Are there other reasons that a person might carry a cane even if they feel relatively confident in their remaining vision

B (7:15)

with blindness or low vision? I think carrying a cane for different environments, different scenarios, most people don't carry their white cane in their home, but they might carry their white cane in someone else's home. And for people with low vision, carrying an identification cane or a cane that is not an ID cane, but a regular red and white cane for. For those circumstances, I think one of the more important things, among the other important things of an O and M is knowing understanding that we as the O and M, are not the person with this disability. We are not the person who has to carry the cane or walk in their shoes. So being mindful that this is your journey, I'm just along for the ride. If you use your cane, great. If you don't use your cane, but great, I'm going to be here no matter what. If they're on a Greyhound bus, then carrying their cane as identification so that the bus driver is aware that there is a person with low vision on the bus, the negative side of that is if you're carrying your cane when you get on the bus, but then you carry your cane when you're off the bus, it gives people confusion and then asking questions, and then that becomes a whole nother podcast.

A (8:35)

You're absolutely right about that. And then, of course, there are times when carrying it can eliminate some of that confusion. Like if you're looking for a restroom, for example, and you're having a hard time reading the sign, sometimes having that cane will eliminate some of the awkwardness of why are you, as a man, staring at the woman's restroom?

B (9:01)

Yes, I agree completely. So, yes, there are pros and cons to everything. Pro people know that you can't see things.

A (9:09)

That's awesome. We are actually, at the time of this recording, approaching white cane safety day. It's a thing that happens every year on October 15th. And, you know, I think that canes are worth celebrating all the time, but we actually have a day set aside for that can you talk a little about kind of the history of white cane safety? What is it? What do people do to celebrate that kind of thing?

B (9:37)

So there was a push by rehab, state agencies, and also organizations to really promote and like you said, give awareness to the white cane and its importance. In 1964, President Lyndon B. Johnson signed a declaration saying that October 15th is white cane safety day. And on this day, we are able to get together as blind and low vision white cane users, guide dog users, professionals, advocates, and before that, we do a talk of why it's so important to use a white cane. As a person who is blind and low vision and things like getting the right away of crossing streets or making sure that other people who are driving cars or in the stores are aware that this person is walking. They can't see you, so be aware of them. The white cane safety day just kind of refuels, I think O&MS. To continue to do our work and continue to do it with passion, but also gives a great spotlight to people who use the white cane to say, you're cool, keep doing that.

A (10:58)

And I know that I've participated in these sorts of celebrations in the past, and it's really a lot of fun because people get together, they're displaying their mobility aid of choice, if they have one. There is talk about the importance of using that mobility aid. And it's just a really good time and good fellowship. Of course, things have changed quite a bit with COVID And so how are we doing white cane safety day this year? How have things changed and what are you doing in your area? I know you can't speak to everywhere, but I think you're doing something virtual.

B (11:39)

Yes. We have two actual virtual programs going on. One with the National Federation of the Blind in Alabama, and also Alabama Institute of the Deaf and blind are also doing a virtual white cane day. I just got two invitations from both of those organizations and the department of Rehab, my agency. Our goal is to gather up as many people as we can to say, log in at this time and follow the instructions. So it's a lot of we're apart, but together. I think that's probably been the mantra of 2020. So to log in and be there and still get fueled, but also be safe.

A (12:27)

Exactly. And I think that really is. You're still capturing the most important part of this day, which is to come together and have that fellowship and be able to talk with and celebrate each other. Kelly, we've had a really great time with this interview, and I hate to wrap it up, but we are approach the end. And so as we do that, do you have any final thoughts of again, we're coming up on on White Cane Safety Day, but just in general, do you have thoughts on what people can think about or reflect on? As we approach October 15th every year and we start thinking about mobility aids, what should people just consider for at least this one day a year?

B (13:16)

Be empowered. Be empowered. Using your white cane. Be empowered. Having a guide dog. Be empowered. Because you are different, blindness doesn't mean your life is over. Blindness means find a different way. You're at a dead end on this sidewalk, but there is an intersecting sidewalk. Find it with your cane and don't be afraid to ask for assistance. Oh, man, I could go on, Ricky. I could go on forever. But I think overall, just be empowered to know that you're not alone and that you have a huge support system behind you to use your white cane without shame.

A (13:59)

Excellent advice, Kelly. Thank you so very much for joining us. It's been a pleasure.

B (14:04)

Thank you, Ricky. Have a great day.

A (14:06)

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