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This episode is brought to you by Progressive Insurance. Do you ever think about switching insurance companies to see if you could save some cash? Progressive makes it easy to see if you could save when you bundle your home and auto policies. Try it@progressive.com Progressive Casualty Insurance Company and affiliates. Potential savings will vary. Not available in all states. Welcome to Happy Wife, Happy Life. We're your hosts. I'm Kendall Landrin.
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And I'm Jordan Myrick.
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And we are two incredibly unqualified but.
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Deeply in love comedians who are here to help you with all things relationships. And on today's episode, we. We are talking celebrity cheating scandals.
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Don't you ever cheat on me.
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I won't. Don't worry.
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Don't you ever.
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I won't.
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Oh, my God. I don't even know how I would react to that.
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I don't either.
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Although I do feel like there's so many celebrities that I'm like, of course they're cheating. They hardly ever see each other.
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Yeah. I was saying if we get more successful, then maybe we'll be cheating.
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Then of course we'll be cheating.
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Of course we'll be cheating.
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No, especially. Especially, though, I think with singers. Sorry. Out of the corner of my. You're shaking your foot and I thought your hand was going. Stop, stop, stop, stop.
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Do not bring up singers. Do not bring up singers.
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No, because I famously put my foot in my mouth. I feel like all the time. So I feel like I am kind of always peeking out of the corner of my eye for anyone around me.
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To be like, hey, Kendall, because you're always ruining someone's birthday surprise.
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Ultimately, I'm always ruining someone's birthday surprise. I even, like, I feel like when I know that now as an adult, I know when a. Even if I know a person knows a plan, I refuse to speak on it.
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I think that's smart.
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I just will simply, like, the person could have thrown their birthday party.
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I think it's.
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And they'll be like, are you coming? And I'm like, coming to what? Yeah, I don't know. Talk to Jordan.
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I think that's for the best. You have ruined many a surprise birthday.
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I know.
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You're so excited.
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You know, I get really excited. Like, I remember one time we were driving home from a birthday dinner for Andrew and he was going to have a cake. And I, on the way home was like, is everyone just so excited for the cake? And then everyone turned to me. It's the worst feeling. I hope you never experience it. It's just so. The way your Stomach drops and, you know, and. And what's scary about is you don't yet know how bad you messed up. Like, you're kind of like, was it a little surprise or did I miss that? Like, I just ruined, like a really big surprise. Anyways, what I was going to say is that I feel like singers that are on tour a lot, I'm always like. Or standup comedians too, or actors.
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They're always on shoot.
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No, but to me, that makes. That's different because it's like, well, they'll be gone for like two months, for example, but then they're back and it's like, they are there. In fact, they have more time than.
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Most people shooting movies.
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Well, totally. I mean, yeah, some people, I'm like, they're a workaholic. And then I'm like, I don't think they can have a good marriage. But I feel like stand up comedians and musicians. I am like, there's no way your relationship is doing well.
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Like, how.
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How do you see any person? Because the difference to me is that you're on a flight 24 7. So even if you're an actor and you're going to film a movie, it's like, okay, for the most part, you're flying to a place and like, and then you have your kind of routine there versus, like, if I was on a flight every night to a new city and then I got there and I perform. It's just like, how do you even have a relationship?
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Because you're not on a flight, you're on a tour bus. And you can bone in a tour bus.
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No, but your partner's not with you. I guess if you're on a tour bus, that's a different thing.
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They can be.
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Well, yeah, I don't think if your partner's in the tour bus, you're going to be cheating on your partner. Unless you're super up.
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I don't know. This episode is really inspired by some of the recent cheating stuff that's going on, and we need to address it.
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Well, yeah, because it's actually really important to the two of us, especially Jordan. And I want you to know, Jordan, that like, any amount of emotion that you feel in this podcast is okay. And I don't want you to feel like you have to stifle your feelings because I know this is a hard one for you.
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So as you all know, I've gone to bat for Nicole Kidman, Keith Urban time and time and time again. I said what I love about them is that they both love to work. But they both love each other, so. Are they together that often? No, but they love each other so much. They're so secure in their relationship. I don't know. For some reason, I just really was like.
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And what would I say?
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I don't remember, to be honest. I'm so sorry.
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I would say. I just don't think. I think if you had a really happy home, I don't think you would want to work as much. Now, granted, we're big workers. I love to work, but the level that Nicole Kidman works is disturbing.
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There's. This is why I don't remember what you would say, because I would block that out. Right.
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Well. And I could feel that because I.
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Thought you were wrong.
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I know you would immediately, like, no, it's different.
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I don't care about celebrity couples normally, but for some reason, I know it. It just really, like. I don't know. I just really believed in them. I think they're such a funny couple. They're such an odd pairing to me. But my aunt told me one time she saw Keith Urban in concert. This is what I was gonna say. I think this is what it is.
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I think this is what it is. This story really affected you.
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I don't know why. My aunt told me she saw them in concert one time, and Keith Urban called Nicole Kidman on the phone, and he was like, everybody, say hi to my wife Nikki. I love her, but he Australian, so imagine it in Australian accent. And I just thought that was so sweet.
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What if that was his mistress, Nikki?
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All right, okay. Touche. But now they're having this messy divorce.
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I haven't read almost anything about it.
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Good, because I'm gonna pull some up.
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I know. I've been waiting to hear what you had to say about it.
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Well.
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And I haven't brought it up a ton in our home because I'm trying to keep the peace.
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Apparently, they're saying that they're cheating. Yeah, I don't know if that's true.
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Or on which side it's.
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No, I think people are saying he was cheating. Keith Urban allegedly cheated on Nicole Kidman repeatedly.
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Oh, Keith.
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People are saying that it's girls just a few years older than his daughter. I don't know. Once again, this is all, like, unsubstantiated rumors, but they're having what seems to be a messy divorce.
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Well, now I'm concerned for our marriage because I feel like this was, like, the couple you looked up to. Like, I feel like this was your representation of a happy marriage. And now it's in the drain, literally.
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Who do I look up to now? There's no one. When I was looking up couples who have cheated, almost every celebrity has cheated.
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Which is so interesting.
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Even people who don't seem like they would, which, you know, I. I think you and I are both similar on this is like, you know, it's not necessarily always, like, once a cheater, always a cheater, or, like, you know, I think you can cheat when you're 20, and then when you're 40, like, not be a cheater. I think you can grow and learn and change and things like that.
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Do you think Ross from Friends is a cheater?
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Sure. I don't know. Okay.
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That's a big point of contention within the Friends fans.
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Do you think he's a cheater?
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No.
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Just because you like him? No.
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Well, no, I. I just feel like I kind of am of the mindset that, like, I'm of the mind that they were on a break. Like, I feel like they did kind of break up and he went and hooked up with someone.
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Oh, I thought we were just talking about in general. No, I think they were on a break.
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But a lot of people don't think that.
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Interesting.
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It's not that I think it was good. I think people are so black and white. It's not that I'm like, he should have gone and had sex with that woman.
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Yeah.
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But it's like, obviously he slept with a woman he, like, did not care about. He was, like, so obsessed with her. And it's like, yes, not good. But at the same time, I don't think it was, like, cheating. It's, like, different from if they were, like, together and then he went and slept with this woman.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I understand. Keith Urban is. Now people are saying that he's juggling two women amidst the divorce. People are. An insider is saying that Nicole isn't disputing the rumors, but she's floored by how blatant it all feels.
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What's blatant? Like, obvious.
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Yeah. Okay. How. How public he's being, how intentional. So, yeah, it's like, that's more intentional. But, yeah, I mean, none of. Once again, those are all alleged. I have no clue about anything, but it makes me sad. I love, like, a tall woman, short man, and that's the energy they have.
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How short is he? I thought he was tall.
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You thought he was tall?
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I don't really think much about it, but it's just so urban.
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Let me see. Keith urban, height. He's 5 10.
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Is that short.
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And that's his Hollywood height. Oh, you know what I mean? It's. You guys know what I mean? There's. And Nicole commits 5 11, and she always has heels on.
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Yeah, well, but so does Keith Urban.
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So true. He's got lifts. Absolutely. But she only dates short Kings Cruz. They were married. He's five, seven. And once again, that's his Hollywood.
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You know what I'm realizing? I've never watched an interview of her. Like, I don't really know what she's like in real life, really. I've, like. Only I, like, picture her just as Lucille Ball.
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Oh, yeah.
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For some reason, I don't think she's.
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Like that at all.
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And the AMC opening is all I picture.
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I do think she's like that.
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Jordan gets so mad when people clap at that.
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I'm just like. I'm not mad at it, really.
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Like, giving. I'm not like other girls.
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Well, I think it's sad because I think it went from being gay culture to becoming straight culture. Okay, but now I'm.
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But isn't that what we should want?
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No. And now I'm kind of coming back around on it, because you can have. I don't want gay culture to become straight culture. I want straight people to have reverence and appreciation for gay culture. But I think it was like, when it first came out, straight people were like, what the hell is this? Start my movie. And gay people were like, this is unbelievable. This is performance art. We love it. Then gay people are like, okay, this has gone on for, like, a little bit too long, you know, like, we're ready for something new. And now straight people have finally got on board. Or straight people never see movies, so they only see it, like, once or twice when they go to see whatever new Marvel movies out, right? Or they show up too late. That also tells me if you're clapping for the Nicole Kidman intro, that tells me you're constantly getting to the movies too late because you're not there for the trailers most of the time, which is.
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Wait, why? Because you think they should be clapping for the trailers?
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No, I think because they're not seeing it. So when they do see it, they're like, oh, this is fun seeing it. Because they're not watching the trailers.
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Okay. Yeah. Well, honestly, like, anything, though, because at first I was like this. There was, like, a month period where even I was like, not at the clapping. I like when anyone's having fun. So I'm like, whatever. If you want to clap at this, there's, like, out of everything going on in the world. That's like a singular moment of joy. That's fine. But then there was a point where I was like, how long are they gonna play this? But I think a real lesson in comedy is that, like, if you push something to the point where everyone's like, how much longer is this gonna go on for? It's about to become good again.
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100.
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It. It's doing it for me again. Well, now I'm like, imagine if this is just playing in, like, eight years.
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Yeah. It's like, come back around now. It's like, campy again. Also, the other day, a friend was like, isn't it nice that so many people seem excited to see this Nicole Kidman thing? It tells me that a lot of people, like, don't typically come to the movies, but they're coming out for this movie or they're coming back to the movies more often. And I was like, oh, that's like a very good faith way to look at it. So I'm charmed by it again. But I do think I am very resentful of people now with this whole thing. You know, the movie theater's like, the movie starts 25 to 30 minutes after the trailer start. I understand that trailers are too long for some people and they could make them shorter. That being said, I love trailers. And I'm also like, you don't have to be there for all the trailers. But if you're showing up right as the movie is starting, what are you doing? You're walking into the theater and you're turning on your iPhone light. This is everyone coming into theater. They didn't want to watch the trailers. They're coming in pitch black room, shining it in my eyes. Where's my seat? Where's my seat? Get here earlier. This isn't your house. You need to find where you're gonna sit. You need, you know, if you're gonna show up right before the trailers, know what seat you're in before you get into the theater.
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Yeah.
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Pick a seat that's on an aisle.
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Yeah.
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Don't be sitting in the middle row. And you're going to show up as the credits for the movie you're starting.
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Yeah. No.
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If I'm getting that title card and you're shining a flashlight in my face, I'm going to say something. Right.
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But how do you feel about the fact that now they're showing, like, regular ads, not trailers with, I think that's.
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Despicable and I think that it's disgusting, and I think that whoever's idea that was should be put in a federal prison.
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Because I love watching trailers.
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I love watching.
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I Sometimes I'm just sad when the trailers are over.
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I am too. Sometimes, like, the trailers will start to end and I'll be like, whoa, I forgot that I'm here to do another thing. Yeah. And you know what else I like, which is really controversial. I love. Because it feels so stupid and whimsical when you're watching a movie in like Dolby and then they do like the advertisement for Dolby.
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It's. I'm sorry.
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So funny.
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Can I say.
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Yeah, it's.
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I'm gonna get in trouble for saying this. It's so gay. It's like. It's like the. I'm gay. I can say that, right?
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Yeah, it's so gay. It's so gay. Derogatory.
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No, like it, though. I literally. The opening for Dolby, it's like, what are we even talking about?
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I love it. I think it's so funny. It's completely none to your light.
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Yeah. Like what?
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It doesn't make sense. It's so funny. I love it. And it's like trying to sell me on something where it's like, first of all, I'm already here.
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But also, we're not here for that.
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Well, I am, unfortunately. I love Dolby.
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You're kind of like freaky pervert for Dolby.
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I know.
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Like, we'll see an advert Dolby separately from me in the movie. And Jordan always has to lean over and go, God, I love Dolby.
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I know.
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I don't even know what Dolby is.
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I never thought about it. But then when I started see things in Dolby more, I realize I'm like, whoa. The sound is so clear. It like shakes the seats. It's like, it really is good. Especially there are other ones like laser and IMAX XL or whatever that I don't care about. But I do like Dolby. I don't buy into all of them, but I'm on the Dolby train. I just think it's so funny. Why are you giving me an advertisement for Dolby? I'm already here. And then it. For it to be the most nonsensical thing in the entire world. You're 100% right. It's saying where it's like xenon bulb time, xenon bulbs, the difference, the truest times of showing mood. And it's like, what are you even saying? And I do think it's funny. And because of that, it looks like.
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The opening of Bill Nye the Science Guy. It, like, does not make any sense.
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Yeah, it doesn't make any sense at all. But I do like it. Okay, so that's one big cheating scandal right now. Nicole Kidman and Keith Urban. The biggest, most recent one, I would say is Lily Allen and David Harbour.
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Who are those people?
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Okay. It's so hard to have kind of like a pop culture adjacent podcast. Well, it wasn't supposed to be a.
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Pop culture adjacent podcast.
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I have culture some point. Lily Allen is a singer. She sings Smile.
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Oh, wait, wait, does she sing you.
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Yeah, she has some fun music. She's a controversial figure. She's done some weird stuff. People allege that she's a Dr. Luke supporter, especially after all of the Kesha stuff. And she wrote in her book some weird stuff about, like, kissing Zoe Kravitz when, like, Zoe Kravitz seemed to, like, not want to kiss her. I don't know, she seems strange. She also has a history of allegedly being a cheater, but she married David harbor, the cop from Stranger Things. He's also in Thunderbolts. He's in, like, a bunch of stuff. He's like, a famous actor, but he recently just cheated on her. And then she wrote an album in like, five to ten days about the cheating. Wow. And released it.
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And was it good?
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I don't know. I don't really like it that much. People are really freaking for it. It's not for me. Yeah. But who am I to say what music is good and what music is bad, you know? Yeah.
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Well, I think it's genius to, like, release stuff quickly because then you have to be like you. It's like, why diss tracks are kind of, like, always iconic because it's like. Well, we can't even decide if it's good because it came out so fast.
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And it just feels sick of the situation. Yeah, I completely agree with you. But basically, allegedly, what people are saying and what the song is alleging, I'm going to say allegedly so much in this episode. So no one sues us just to be safe.
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Yeah.
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He apparently is like, I'm a sex addict, so I need us to have an open marriage, which is actually not what you're supposed to do.
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No. I don't think if you're addicted to something, you're supposed to give yourself ways.
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To free reign of it. Yeah. It feels like. Like, I am an alcohol alcoholic, so I can only go to places with open bar.
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Yeah. I have to live in a liquor store.
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Yes. It does not make Sense at all. But apparently he was like, I'm a sex addict, so we need to have an open marriage. And then she agreed to it despite, like, not really wanting to do it. And then obviously, like, open relationships or open marriages typically have. There were rules and he didn't follow the rules. So he was, like, lying. She's alleging that he had sex with these women, like, in their house. In their bed.
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Oh, no.
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In their bed, I guess. So that's what the album's making it seem like. But he's also, I think, a famous cheater.
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Where's the worst place that I like if you found out I cheated on you and you found out I had sex somewhere in our house, where would.
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The worst place be? I guess in bed with me sleeping next to you.
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Okay, obviously you're not gonna be there for it.
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Other than that. Maybe my Costco couch.
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Yeah, that's what I was going to.
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Say would make me.
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I would be like, how dare you?
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Yeah, I love my Costco couch. Yeah, but so they're big drama going on right now. So, Ariana Grande. What is done with Ethan Slater?
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Wait, I didn't know that.
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Apparently they were done.
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Wait, really?
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Yes.
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Is she dating?
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Well, so they're apparently done. He hasn't been going with her places in the last few interviews or red carpet things where he's been asked about her. He's very, like, cagey about it. Like, they're like, do you have any, like, anything that you think is gonna happen in this next Wicked that you can tease to us or albums or tours or whatever? And he's like, huh? No, like, he's been.
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Oh, my God, I've heard about it.
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Yeah. So they think that her and him are donezo and she's a famous cheater, obviously.
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No, I know.
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He's now a famous cheater.
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Is she a cheater? Is she like a famous home wrecker?
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Well, I think that's.
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Or is home record a slur.
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Homewrecker is not a slur. I need to make you a list of slurs.
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No, don't.
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That's it. Don't make us a list.
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Why are you.
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Basically, things are a slur. Well, you know, people will say like.
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You'll say like a thing that, like. Okay, I'm gonna try to give an example, but it's really hard. But I remember one time someone next to me said the like said cat fight. And someone was like, don't say that. And someone was like, it's really bad, I guess. Slur.
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Is that a slur?
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Yeah. No, it's not a slur. I guess slur is the wrong word, but it's, like, a thing you're not supposed to say anymore. Like cat fight. Yeah. Apparently it's sexist. I'm sure if you said it, it was fine. But, like, a man is not supposed to say cat fight. I don't know. I didn't ask many questions. My point is just. I feel like now words will just be like, don't say that.
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I see it.
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So I just didn't know, like, saying homewrecker was like. Well, that's actually sexist.
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I. I mean, I don't. I think homewrecker is gender neutral, and I think home wrecker is not a flattering term. But.
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But it's not supposed to be.
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Yeah, it's not supposed to be. She has notoriously. But I mean, she's notoriously cheated and also inserted herself in situations where people had partners.
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Yes.
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Seemingly every single time. Right. Like.
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Well, I don't know if Pete Davidson was. I can't remember, though.
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He did.
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Okay.
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And then her husband. Allegedly, she cheated with Ethan Slater.
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Right.
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B
And Big Sean, I think. Let me just pull it up. Why am I trying to remember this off the top of my head? Ariana Grande, cheating. Okay, so Naya Rivera, Rest in Peace, released her memoir in 2016. And in the book, she opened up about the fact that she. She and Big Sean were together, and he cheated on her with Ariana Grande, indirectly hinting at Grande's name.
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A
Man.
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B
Okay, so that is, like, the first big one. It seems like. Then it's alleged that she cheated on Mac Miller with Pete Davidson, but she denies that.
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A
Okay, but she does that a lot. It's like she. It's like a. I don't think she's really gotten into many, like, relationships just because. Which makes sense to me. I'm like, if you do that multiple times, it makes sense that you only ever do that. It's, like, clear. She's only attracted to people who are off limits.
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B
Yes. I think that's the hard thing. It's, like. It's just not a good look if you're doing it all the time. That's what I'll say.
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A
Yeah.
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B
But now people are alleging that they're not together, and everyone was, like, wild. That's so wild. Who's she gonna homewreck next? Everyone was, like, very, like, upset and concerned on the Internet.
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A
She's not coming on this podcast.
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B
She's not coming on this podcast.
- [19:34]
A
No way.
- [19:35]
B
We're.
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A
And we're not. Because I'm not letting her get her hands on you.
- [19:38]
B
Yeah. She hasn't done it in a. A lesbian relationship yet, so that would be huge for her, honestly. But now, Ethan Slater, single, no wife, no kid.
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A
Well, no, he has a kid.
- [19:51]
B
He has a kid, but it's not looking good, you know?
- [19:53]
A
Looking good. Yeah.
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B
But most recently, there are claims that she's been seen with Aaron Taylor Johnson. Who people.
- [20:02]
A
Oh, my God. I misheard that. I was thinking, Anya Taylor Joy.
- [20:05]
B
I was like, she was with Anya Taylor Joy also, who is married. But that's what I thought.
- [20:13]
A
I was like, oh, my God.
- [20:15]
B
Yes, it is very speculated about. People are saying it's completely baseless. But what I want to focus on, I don't care whether or not she's actually with him. But what's funny to me is because people hate Aaron Taylor Johnson's wife.
- [20:30]
A
Oh, my God.
- [20:31]
B
They're excited that maybe she was seen with him because Aaron Taylor Johnson, his wife was, like, much older than him, and she was directing a movie that he was acting in when he was, like, 17, and they almost immediately got married and allegedly. Well, no, that's real. That's. I don't. To my understanding, that's not alleged. Allegedly. To my understanding, that's not allegedly.
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A
Yeah. Wow. Okay. Well, it's still just like. But I'm almost like, at this point, it's sad for Ariana Grande. I'm just like, you're not gonna be in a happy relationship. Like, this is not. Because that.
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B
I like that. So nice.
- [21:02]
A
I know.
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B
Well.
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A
And I think it's hard because I think people want to be like, everyone's all bad or all good. But I'm like, of course it's clear that she's on. Like, no one wants. Like, if she were to pick her perfect life, I mean, maybe I'm wrong. So we won't know because she's not coming out.
- [21:15]
B
She's not coming on this podcast.
- [21:17]
A
But may. I'm sure if she were to describe her perfect life, it wouldn't be like, well, I want to meet someone with a wife and I want to ruin their life and then get a bunch of bad press for it. And then I want us to break up from a cheating scandal. It's like, obviously that's not what she wants.
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B
Yeah.
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A
And she. I feel like she gets enough tattoos, allegedly, of her partners that she seems to think they're all forever, and they just seem to not be.
- [21:37]
B
Yeah. Now, I have a question. What is Brad Press.
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A
Brad Press. What did I say? That Did I say, oh, is it a bad press? I was, you know, it's so rude of you. I was being so earnest. I was like, brad Press. I don't know, Jordan. I'm sorry. She doesn't want bad press.
- [21:53]
B
Yes, that's true.
- [21:54]
A
She probably does want Brad Press because he has a wife.
- [21:56]
B
Ain't that the truth?
- [21:57]
A
And a family.
- [21:59]
B
And we know Brad Press. Well, he is coming on the podcast.
- [22:01]
A
Yes. And he's not going to leave his wife.
- [22:03]
B
No. He loves her.
- [22:03]
A
Brenda Press.
- [22:06]
B
They're from the French press dynasty. Okay. This is a big one. A lot of feelings. People have a lot of feelings on this. Renee Rap and Toa Bird.
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A
Wait, cheating? Allegedly.
- [22:19]
B
What?
- [22:19]
A
No, they didn't. No, they didn't. No, they didn't.
- [22:23]
B
What do you think I'm gonna say?
- [22:24]
A
Oh, that they cheated on each other.
- [22:26]
B
No.
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A
Oh.
- [22:29]
B
Relax. Do you want to take a second?
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A
Sometimes when lesbians only have a couple people to represent their community, we become a little bit.
- [22:37]
B
Just take a second.
- [22:37]
A
Protective over them.
- [22:39]
B
Breath.
- [22:39]
A
I, like, don't know, like, ask me a single thing. Ask me what Toa Bird does for.
- [22:43]
B
A Toa Bird song. I have no idea. Yeah. So famously, and allegedly, Renee Rapp and Toa Bird cheated on their partners to be together.
- [22:57]
A
But this is what I'm saying. Okay. I'm not saying it's right.
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B
Okay.
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A
I'm not you guys. And if I ever go on tour, I will stay loyal to you. As if I ever go on tour as a singer. Hint, hint.
- [23:08]
B
Yeah, just kidding.
- [23:11]
A
But I am. Like, when I think about Renee Rapp going on tour as much as she does, the thought of her being in, like, a relationship, which she's young. This is all assumptions. This. I could be completely missing the mark. And I'm sure you have the correct stuff written down right there.
- [23:25]
B
So you didn't let me finish, but sure, yeah, go off.
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A
But I'm like, I assume because Renee raps pretty young, it's like, okay, I'm not picturing, like, a marriage. Like, obviously this was probably someone they dated for a little bit. Okay. When you're on tour that much, it kind of starts to feel like a little bit like summer camp relationship, where it's like, well, we see each other every summer and, like, kiss, but we're, like, not actually dating. I don't know. You know what I mean?
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B
Sure.
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A
Well, thank you, Jordan.
- [23:52]
B
Yeah, sure.
- [23:52]
A
Thank you for really. Thank you for really lifting up my thoughts.
- [23:55]
B
Oh, I hear you and I love you.
- [23:58]
A
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B
Well, so people were like, that's already not great. People didn't love that Renee Rapp was dating a Tick Tocker.
- [25:00]
A
Who? Oh, oh, Alyssa.
- [25:02]
B
Yes. And I actually don't know who Toa Bird was dating.
- [25:05]
A
Let me look.
- [25:05]
B
Hold on. But also someone else. Toa Bird dating history. But Toa was Renee's guitarist on her tour.
- [25:16]
A
Okay, that's hot.
- [25:19]
B
And before she was dating Renee Rap, all I can find is stuff about her and Renee Rap. But allegedly she was dating someone.
- [25:27]
A
Okay.
- [25:28]
B
Before Renee Rap, they each cheated on their partners with each other, which is a famous thing you see in Hollywood. You know, Billy Crudup cheated on Mary Louise Parker with Claire Danes. And I believe the two of them are still together.
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A
Well, it almost feels like it gives you more permission to be like, we're both risking something for this. And I mean, we're in this together. Like, we are both risking it. So, like, because I think sometimes if you're gonna like cheat on someone, I assume people have this fear of like, well, what if I cheat? And then you're like, actually, like, this isn't important to me at all. But if you both have partners, you're probably like, wait, we're taking a risk and we both are gonna follow through.
- [26:02]
B
Yes, I think that's fair. So the big thing that people really are in a tizzy about is that both Renee Rapp and Toa have released songs about cheating. Being Cheaters being the other woman, whatever. And people think that's in really bad taste.
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A
I. Well, okay. But I kind of disagree because I am just kind of like, music is supposed to be expressive.
- [26:28]
B
Wow.
- [26:29]
A
I'm sorry. I'm kind of like, why. That feels like. If I was like, you shouldn't make movies about, like, bad things that happen. You shouldn't make movies about different perspectives. You should. I'm like, I wanna. I'd rather listen. I'd rather watch a movie about something that I'm like, man, that's crazy. They shouldn't have done. That's bad.
- [26:44]
B
They shouldn't have done that.
- [26:45]
A
And I feel like music's the same way. It's like, I feel like it'd be more problematic if she came out with a song that was called, like, I am Loyal Always.
- [26:50]
B
But do you think the people who did the bad thing should make the movie about the bad thing, or do you think the people that did the bad thing should be bad and then someone else should make a movie about the bad thing?
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A
Well, it, like, depends. I don't think, like, a person who, like. Like.
- [27:04]
B
Like a serial killer.
- [27:04]
A
A serial killer.
- [27:05]
B
Serial killer should make a movie about himself. No, I don't think they should. Some people would say, this is what. This is like, because this is what Renee Rapp said.
- [27:10]
A
But I think if a cheater can make a movie about being a cheater.
- [27:13]
B
Okay, Renee Rapp said that she's not proud of cheating, but she turned it into a song she's really proud of. And I. That's really good for her. And I respect that a lot. I can't imagine being the other person if you cheated on me. And then you wrote a song about being a cheater, and that song became a massive hit, and you were like, I'm really proud of that song. I would be like, shut your mouth.
- [27:38]
A
Well, yeah, Shut up.
- [27:39]
B
It's, like, totally insult to injury.
- [27:41]
A
Oh, a hundred percent.
- [27:42]
B
But I guess I'm not considerate.
- [27:44]
A
Well, but cheating. The part. The part that wasn't considerate was the cheating. To me, like, song.
- [27:49]
B
If you're an artist, Kendall, the song is not considered either. That's why people release songs. Cheated on, not cheating.
- [27:56]
A
But she can't do that. She can't.
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B
But also, you could release a song being like, I cheated, and that's bad.
- [28:01]
A
Weirdly, I think I would prefer if you cheated on me and then you released a song called I'm a Dirty, Ugly Cheater. I would prefer that over. Oh, because here's the thing. Wait what were you gonna say?
- [28:13]
B
What if the song was I'm a sexy, sexy hot cheater and my new relationship is so much better?
- [28:21]
A
Is that what she said?
- [28:22]
B
I don't know. I'm just asking. Theoretically.
- [28:24]
A
Okay, well, I, I. Okay, I think I would still prefer it because I think if you really, okay, you were so bad, mean. Cheated on me and we're so rude about it and whatever, and then you release a song that was kind of like about heartbreak, and then everyone's like, oh, poor Jordan, the singer, Jordan, so sad. They got. They got going through heartbreak. I would prefer you release a song that's called like I'm a sexy cheater. Because then people would be like, wait, poor Kendall. She got cheated on. And this exact press would be happening where people are like, you nasty cheating. Because she's getting hate for it.
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B
I don't.
- [28:56]
A
She walked right into that, right?
- [28:58]
B
I guess. But I mean, like, she's also made a lot of money off of it. If you cheated on me and you made a lot of money off of cheating on me, I would say cut the check. Cut the check. Where's my cut?
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A
Cut the check. Cut the check.
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B
Yeah, that's what I would say.
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A
But you couldn't really legally do that. If I. If I released a movie called like I just cheated and it was like a comedy movie about me cheating, you can't call me and say cut me a check.
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B
Well, first of all, it probably depends on.
- [29:25]
A
First of all, I passed you in it. And if I cheated on you and I was talking, maybe you'd be in it.
- [29:30]
B
Depending on what details of your cheating. Like if you could maybe sue for life rights.
- [29:34]
A
Wow.
- [29:34]
B
I don't know. Get a little credit on the song maybe. But I wouldn't do it legally. I would show up to your house with a torch.
- [29:41]
A
My God.
- [29:42]
B
And I would say cut the chat.
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A
Busted down. Yeah.
- [29:45]
B
And I would tick tock down.
- [29:46]
A
Do you have the lyrics to this song? I would love to hear a couple.
- [29:50]
B
Let's, let's see. Because I think that cheating song lyrics.
- [29:56]
A
Cuz what I don't like is when someone does something where they've then put themselves in a position to share their side of the story and knowing the other person can't. So if it's them giving like excuses. But if it's them being like, look, I was naughty, naughty, naughty. Cuz. Hey, you love Usher music.
- [30:14]
B
We'll get to him.
- [30:15]
A
So how.
- [30:16]
B
He's on the list. How would you come for Renee?
- [30:19]
A
Rachel up.
- [30:19]
B
Don't bring it up prematurely. We'll get to that, because that's hypocritical. So the first lyrics that come up are. You know what's so funny? We'll get to the lyrics in a second, but our best friend Colin just texted me, have you listened to Lily Allen's new album about David Harbour? I said, we are literally talking about it on the podcast right now. Thoughts? And he's typing. What's he gonna say?
- [30:43]
A
What does he have to say?
- [30:45]
B
We'll circle back to it. Okay.
- [30:46]
A
Okay.
- [30:47]
B
So the lyrics of this song.
- [30:55]
A
And this is allegedly from cheating on Alyssa.
- [30:59]
B
Yes. Allegedly.
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A
Allegedly. Yeah.
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B
There's, like, a bunch of stuff in it, but there's that one lyric. Wait, where is it? It's all over Tik Tok. You've probably seen it. It's at somewhere. She's like. And I swear I'd never, ever, ever, ever cheat again. Like, she's being, like, cheeky about it.
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A
Okay.
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B
I don't know.
- [31:18]
A
So she learned from it.
- [31:21]
B
I don't know.
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A
I'm not a. I'm not against it. I. I really. I'm against what she did, but I guess I'm just kind of like. I feel like the fun of art and music is, like, people releasing really personal things. Like, think of all, like, some of the best songs in history or about someone doing something they should not have done.
- [31:39]
B
Well, let me ask, ask. Do you think that it was good or bad that Fletcher released Becky? So hot.
- [31:46]
A
Okay.
- [31:47]
B
About Shannon Beverage's new girlfriend.
- [31:48]
A
Okay. But here's what's so hard about that, is I think she should have switched.
- [31:54]
B
The name to a different person.
- [31:56]
A
To a different person.
- [31:57]
B
You think her saying Becky is where the line.
- [31:58]
A
I think that's a little much. I think that. But okay. But Right. Wasn't no one cheated in that scenario? I mean, I don't know. But publicly, Fletcher being like, she had.
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B
A new girlfriend, and now your new girlfriend's so hot, she names her now.
- [32:11]
A
Granted, do first and last, but it.
- [32:13]
B
Was pretty obvious who it was.
- [32:15]
A
I do think it seemed like. I mean, I think that's best case scenario because I'm like, if I was her girlfriend, that's like the dream. Like, oh, my God, your extra song about how hot I am, like, that's incredible.
- [32:26]
B
You're addicted to yourself. So it's a little different. Yeah.
- [32:27]
A
Right. But, but, but truth. But also, I'm in this industry, a.
- [32:31]
B
Normal woman who wasn't in this industry.
- [32:32]
A
I think that's hard. But there are songs like that from back in the day. Like, they're I mean, oh, my God, you know, I'm not gonna be able to think of. I bet you could look up a list, like, online that's like, songs written about people's. I feel like there's this. I'm, like, trying to think.
- [32:47]
B
I feel like calling her by her real name. Christian name is.
- [32:51]
A
Is too much.
- [32:52]
B
Is different.
- [32:53]
A
That's what I agree. I think that has existed.
- [32:55]
B
And then she made all the PR about it.
- [32:57]
A
Yes.
- [32:57]
B
So I think it's hard. I think it's different.
- [32:58]
A
I think that's inviting. I think that's forcing a thing on people that wasn't, like, consented is too much, but, like, they didn't agree to doing so. No, I don't think it was great. But I. I. But I think that's different because it doesn't feel like it's about you. Like, it's not inwardly, like, here's a thing I did. And I feel like so many songs are from way back in the day are, like, people being, like, this crazy thing I did. Oh, I was so naughty. I shouldn't have done this. Or, like, here's this bad experience I had or this thing that I regret. And I'm kind of like, now we're so obsessed with, like, connecting the songs to the people. And I'm not saying it in, like, a way of, like, you should listen to music from any person, despite their horrible views. But I think people are so used to now, like, their favorite musician, them. They want them to be an exact mirror of everything they want, like, about their personal. Like, them in their personal life. Because, like, cheating is not good. But it's also, like, not. Not a political statement. It's not like a. It's not illegal. Like, it's not a thing that, you know. It's just like a. Oh, what a. But I'm like, I guess my instincts be like, well, what an. And then I'm like, okay, I'm sorry. I feel like, famously, musicians are, like, sure. Any musician that you liked from before the 90s back, I'm sure we're the biggest assholes ever.
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B
Yeah. And so I'm Internet, like, you could really get away with a lot of stuff that you couldn't get away with now.
- [34:25]
A
Yeah. And not that I'm like, that's good. But I do think sometimes it is kind of like. Like, we want this, like, cool art, and we want stuff that, like, breaks boundaries, and we want movies about things that are different, we've never seen before. But also, I see a huge wave of people being like, but I also don't want any stories told about someone that is bad.
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B
Yeah.
- [34:43]
A
And I'm kind of like. But that's, like, sometimes what people want to see. Like, you want to see different perspectives. You want to see movies about people you don't agree with. You want to see movies. And that's, like, what art is. We don't. I don't want to watch. It's like, what I struggle in romance books sometimes is I see people, like, really not wanting to make the characters bad people or, like, do a thing that's bad.
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B
Yeah.
- [35:02]
A
And it's like, well, that's literally what a book is like. A book is especially those types of books. The book is watching people have a character arc, so you have to be comfortable with them, like, starting in a bad place. And I see so many books that start with a character that's, like, fully therapized, understands everything, and is the most respectful and doesn't make any bad decisions. And it's like, that's so boring. Like, I want to see a toxic bitch in my book. You know?
- [35:25]
B
Also, like, art. I feel like people nowadays can try to make it very literal in a way that it's losing a lot of it. It's je ne sais quoi, I guess. But where, like, I remember when poor things came out, people were like, so you guys are supporting this movie that's about pedophilia? And I'm like. And they're like, that's a child's brain inside a woman's body. I'm like, you miss the whole point of the movie. There's no nuance. There's no media literacy.
- [35:55]
A
None. But so I think I'm like, also, I have to remember. I'm like, like, when you're now. And I don't know if Renee rap writes her own music, so I literally just don't know.
- [36:03]
B
I think she does.
- [36:03]
A
I feel like maybe she does.
- [36:04]
B
Allegedly she does.
- [36:05]
A
Allegedly, she does. I don't think you get we're so.
- [36:08]
B
Afraid of getting sued.
- [36:09]
A
Yeah, I think she does. And I'm kind of like, writing music is hard. And I do feel like sometimes, like, the number one advice someone would probably give a songwriter, as if I have any idea, I would assume would be to be like, well, what's going on in your life? Like, what's a tumultuous thing in your life that you have a lot of emotions about? And it's like, if I cheated on someone, that would be the first thing I would think.
- [36:30]
B
Yeah.
- [36:30]
A
So it's like, well, you don't have an infinite Rolodex of things you can make music about. You're trying to just be creative. Like how when I'm trying to write comedy, sometimes I'm like, what the fudge do I write about? I have no idea. And I'm like, of course you're going to write about cheating on someone. And that is going to be an interesting song to listen to. Now, if she said the name of the person she cheated on in the song, I would be like, no, that's bad. That's.
- [36:48]
B
We think the naming the name is what's bad.
- [36:50]
A
Because I feel like there's so many songs about cheating.
- [36:53]
B
Yeah. No, there are, but because we now.
- [36:55]
A
Know who she cheated on because of social media, then it makes people be like, this is fucked up.
- [37:00]
B
Yeah.
- [37:00]
A
Versus it used to just be like, you would have no idea who the lead singer of Kiss cheated on.
- [37:05]
B
Sure.
- [37:05]
A
Allegedly.
- [37:06]
B
Sure. Okay. Now you need to say your favorite cheater and your least favorite cheater.
- [37:12]
A
Cheater.
- [37:13]
B
A celebrity who's cheated that you love and a celebrity that's cheated that you hate. Do you want me to go first?
- [37:20]
A
I feel like I know your answer, but go ahead.
- [37:23]
B
My favorite cheater, Famously, Usher, he doesn't cheat anymore. Allegedly. Okay. And I. I mean, I know he. He cheated on his wife. He cheated on Chili from tlc. They have given us songs that have stood the test of time.
- [37:42]
A
Yeah.
- [37:43]
B
Confessions, Part 1 and 2. Two of the greatest songs that have ever been made in the history of the world.
- [37:47]
A
And that's true remorse.
- [37:48]
B
And that's true Morse. That's what I think sets Usher apart.
- [37:50]
A
Heart.
- [37:51]
B
He's a cheater. He's a repeat cheater, bless his heart. But he does seem loyal now to his age appropriate wife, which I love. Knock on wood, you know? But all of his songs about cheating really seem to have such genuine remorse. I've bought in.
- [38:10]
A
Okay.
- [38:10]
B
I've bought in.
- [38:11]
A
Yep.
- [38:11]
B
You know, I'm like, he's so. I mean, if you listen To Confessions Part 1 and 2, it's so embarrassing for him. Yeah. Everything he's saying, he's listing all the things he did wrong. He's not even just being general. He's being specific.
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A
Yeah.
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B
He's like, she and I were holding hands at the Beverly center, not caring who saw us. Why are you telling us that? No one needed to know that. Yeah.
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A
You know, because that's art. That's true art.
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B
He's laying it all out there, and he's so embarrassed. He's my favorite cheater. I would say currently my least favorite cheater, Sophia Bush, Ashlyn Harris. Wow. Ashlyn Harris is my least favorite cheater right now. Not in the grand scheme of the world, but I thought that whole situation was really messy. What? I don't think either one of them is going to come on the podcast. And if they want to come defend.
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A
Yourselves, they can come on with Ariana Grande.
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B
Come on with our cheater episode. Usher will be here. And one thing to remember is that you don't know anything about everyone's lives.
- [39:08]
A
Yeah.
- [39:09]
B
And celebrities. The timeline that you are consuming things happening in, as a fan is not the real life timeline. And I can even see that just speaking from my own personal experience and people that I'm friends with and people I know. Yeah, you're not seeing the real life timeline. So I think there are times where it's like, whoa, it seems like they cheated or they moved on so fast or touched or whatever, but it's like, these people really broke up a year ago. The public just didn't know about it. Whatever.
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A
Yeah.
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B
I will say the Ashlin Harris and the Sophia Bush thing seemed messy in general. I didn't think too much about it. I'm like, it's not my business. I'm going to stay in my lane. But then when Ashlin Harris came out and was like, actually, our relationship was bad. Things weren't good. Like, our sex life was bad. And that's. I'm like, you already left her for someone else. You left your wife and kids for someone else. Actually, leave her alone. And Ali Krieger came out and was like, I'm so hurt by her saying these things. I didn't feel like those things were true. But, you know, I just think Ali Krieger's been really classy about all of it. And I think that if you cheat, be an usher.
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A
Yeah.
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B
So stupid. I did. So bad. I'm so sorry. I'm an idiot. Don't be like. Like, actually, our relationship was bad and she was bad and she didn't put out or like, whatever. The thing is, I'm like, yeah, not a good look. So she's up there for me right now. Okay. Do you have a favorite and at least favorite cheater?
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A
Okay, well, I need to go into this with, like, understanding from our audience and you that I do not done any research. You have to remember the cheating scandal that I'm about to say took place when I was, like, nine years old. So this was for me.
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B
You love or you hate? What are you about to say?
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A
I love. Well, I don't love, but I. This is my favorite cheater, I would say. Okay, but I'm sure there's details that was kept from you by my parents who wanted me to have a nice childhood, who knew that a hero of mine had cheated. But I'm just saying I'm sure there were details of this that I don't know. So I'm not saying this man was a good person or that, like, I don't know, but I do think it was, like, really affected my life because it really affected his career, which was very important to me, which is Tiger Woods.
- [41:07]
B
Of course, I could have guessed that.
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A
That'S what you were going to say, because I. And I don't know, like, I'm sure behind the scenes, like, he doesn't seem like a man that probably would be a good husband. I'm sure there was some bad situation. All I remember is her chasing him.
- [41:17]
B
With a golf club out of his house. Yes.
- [41:20]
A
And I remember that it was like when you looked up to Tiger woods in the way that I did, which, like, when you're a young golfer, like, Tiger woods is everything like you. Because, like, let's face it, even if we pretended it wasn't, like, watching golf could be really boring. And you would sprint to the TV anytime Tiger woods was at the tee box. Like, it was just huge. And watching that and then watching the cheating happen and then seeing him come back to golf was maybe one of the most heartbreaking things I've ever experienced. To watch a person that you looked up to suddenly, like, mentally unable to recover and just, like, lose, like, the greatest of all time, like, I'm trying to think of. I don't even know any other sports, but, like, who's a really good matter?
- [42:11]
B
All the other sports have that. People have said, that's one thing. I think it was because it was golf. And golf is famously not salacious in any way. No, really responsible cheaters. Football, they're all cheaters. Like, you're always seeing cheating. As a basketball fan, they've all cheated. They've all had cheating scandals. Like, that's why when you're like, oh, think of the greatest I have. And they have. Like, it's. They're all cheating.
- [42:31]
A
But imagine they come back after it and they, like, can't make a free throw. Like, they, like, can't even do, like, this person that you would watch videos of in your free time doing this sport to the, like, perfectly, like, in an amazing way, suddenly just unable to do it. Oh, God, it Just got me. And like, as an adult, I look back and I feel a frustration. And once again, this is just the information I got as an 8 year old.
- [42:58]
B
Well, I have some details whenever because.
- [42:59]
A
I'm, I'm fearing that like, maybe he was like a really bad husband. And I'm not trying to be like, I love him even though, like, you know. So what information have you found?
- [43:07]
B
Well, I think it's like a myriad of things. Right. I think that what you're saying is true. So golf wasn't salacious at all. And he was such an icon. He was like the golf guy. He was the guy that you knew Tiger woods, even if you didn't know anything about golf. Yeah, I knew not a thing about golf and I knew who Tiger Woods.
- [43:25]
A
And you don't have that, like, you can even like, okay, the people who won the Masters tournament around then it's like, okay, you have like a Bubba Watson, like, do you know who that is? No. Like, okay. Oh my God. The cutiest cutie patootie in the world, Rory McElroy. Once again, don't know if he has bad press, but he was so handsome. Don't know him. These are incredibly famous golfers. No one knows who these people are because, like, why you don't know golfers like that. Like Tiger woods, it trans. He was kind of like the Tony Hawk.
- [43:50]
B
Sure, 100%. And so also I think racism played into it because he's black. I think he got treated worse than any of these other men in golf in general. Probably is my guess. But I will say apparently he was a serial cheater and he was doing a lot of kooky crazy things to cover up his cheating from his wife.
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A
Like what?
- [44:13]
B
Well, first of all, so the first thing that was the big thing that we all remember with the golf club is that he was. He crashed his suv, which that became the first big thing that like alerted people. Okay, so he crashed his car after he allegedly had an affair with a New York City nightclub manager. And so that was the first thing that kind of alerted people. Then the wife did the thing with the golf clubs. But apparently like he had cheated with a bunch of people. He was doing things like having his friends allegedly book these flights for these women and then telling his wife he was going on golf trips, trips when he was really going on like a fair trips that he would have his friends book, which as a friend. Why would you do that?
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A
Friend?
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B
That does not make sense.
- [45:05]
A
But so it was though all of the badness of it was around Cheating. There wasn't like a separate, like, story, allegedly, or that we can see from this. That was like, he was a really, really bad. He's a horrible husband. He's a cheater.
- [45:18]
B
Yes, allegedly. It seems just like, like, once again.
- [45:21]
A
Nothing illegal is taking place is what I. And I think what was hard is, like when you watch someone, when you watch all of these athletes do this thing over and over and over again and there's zero consequences. And then it feels like a black athlete gets just like, I mean, career ending. Like, obviously, Tiger Wood still plays golf. Like, obviously he's still an incredible golfer. But especially those next couple years, it's like it changed the course of his entire career.
- [45:46]
B
Yes. But I think also just the sheer number got a lot of attention. Like, people on Reddit are saying he allegedly had 120 affairs.
- [45:55]
A
But that almost becomes. I'm sorry, I think, okay, this is actually. I'm gonna get that almost.
- [46:00]
B
Is that we're gonna become super cool. That almost would have hot at a certain point.
- [46:04]
A
No, I think that is so many that it almost goes back to being like, something's happening. Like, that's like something really wrong with you. Because even the amount of time that that would take and the amount of like, like, like, that's not just a man that, like, doesn't value his wife. I mean, obviously he didn't value his wife, but it's like that becomes a true addiction. That is like life that's the center of his life was cheating.
- [46:30]
B
Yes.
- [46:31]
A
That's like a very sad man. So obviously I'm not like, he should win a Nobel Prize, but you're like.
- [46:37]
B
He'S an incredible girlfriend.
- [46:38]
A
But it, I guess more than anything, it was. Yeah, it was just. It really hurt me at 9 mostly. Probably more than even his wife.
- [46:44]
B
Yeah, absolutely.
- [46:45]
A
It was really tough on my family and I.
- [46:47]
B
If you zoom in, a lot of people don't know this. It's actually not his wife with club. It's you.
- [46:51]
A
Exactly.
- [46:51]
B
You're just the same hair color and height as her.
- [46:53]
A
It feels almost like, like, okay, imagine if, like Usher cheated. It was probably not hard to picture.
- [46:58]
B
I'm seeing it.
- [46:59]
A
And then you went and saw him in concert and he, like, couldn't roller skate, he couldn't sing, he couldn't roller skate. He couldn't do anything. And he just like, sat on the stage and, like, looked at his feet. No roller skates.
- [47:09]
B
Absolutely devastating.
- [47:10]
A
Like, that's what it felt like watching Tiger woods play that first time. I remember as a kid, it was like, my first big. Honestly, the first time I understood mental health, I was like, wait, he can't golf anymore.
- [47:20]
B
He's not well. Yeah.
- [47:20]
A
His mind has transcended into his body and he's unable to putt rough.
- [47:25]
B
Yeah.
- [47:25]
A
Least favorite cheater, maybe Jojo Siwa.
- [47:28]
B
Yeah. On national tv.
- [47:31]
A
You can't. There was so many ways in which that could have not happened. There was so many. It was like, just wait two weeks, just chill. Like, just fucking chill for two weeks. I think there's nothing now. I always give her the benefit of the doubt in some ways because she's so young, but starting to get up in age. Yeah.
- [47:50]
B
When do we stop?
- [47:51]
A
Because.
- [47:52]
B
Right, you stop.
- [47:53]
A
I think my age. Well, no, but honestly, no, because she's at the age when I started. When she started having drama. She is now the age that I was when that was happening. And when I was that age, I was being like, Jojo. But then at the time I was going, look, she's 18. Like, oh, God, I feel for her. Like, I. And I think, you know what? Maybe it is I stop having sympathy at the age I stop doing stuff like that. That, like, dumb stuff. Which to me was 21. Yeah, 21. You're like, you can't. And I guess you're always allowed to do stuff that's bad, but you also have to be like, I get the consequences of it.
- [48:27]
B
Yeah.
- [48:28]
A
And I think that whole scenario was. I don't Not. I don't hate for her for anything, despite how she went about that situation. Breaking up with your girlfriend to date a man you have a crush on is not. Not to me bad. That's great. Break up with them and you like this other person more. Okay. But the national TV aspect of it felt so evil.
- [48:54]
B
And then to dump.
- [48:55]
A
Mean, mean abs.
- [48:56]
B
To dump them, like, immediately. I just. It. It all felt.
- [49:01]
A
And I really don't care about. Because then I feel like now, allegedly, I don't know, on TikTok, people are like, well, Kath Ebbs, like, kind of went on, like, went off the rocker a little bit after all this happened.
- [49:11]
B
Which.
- [49:11]
A
First of all. Yeah, like, so would I. If you went on national TV on Big Brother, a show I love Chris and kissed Chris Hughes.
- [49:19]
B
I also danced with Chris Hughes and.
- [49:22]
A
Was, like, sleeping in bed with him. I would also kind of go off my rocker.
- [49:25]
B
Yeah.
- [49:26]
A
But I'm also, like, even, like, knowing nothing about Kath's personality. It doesn't matter. You could be dating, like, a total nightmare and I still would be like, don't go on national television and cheat on them. And it almost felt worse because it felt so. Like it would have been better if she went on and was like, I'm about to cheat on my girlfriend and was just so blatant.
- [49:47]
B
But it was new.
- [49:48]
A
Yeah. So manipulative.
- [49:50]
B
Yeah. The slipping into it of being like, we're just friends. We're just friends. Everyone's turning. It's very like gaslighty.
- [49:56]
A
Which Gaslighty. And then to come back and then publicly, publicly break up. And you. They. I know they have contact with their family, obviously.
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B
Like, they.
- [50:05]
A
Not a lot of it, but they're both been. There could have been a message sent even to her mom being like, queen, tell Kath not to come to Los Angeles, like, for this. Like, there was so many aspects of it that were mean. Like, just mean. Really unthoughtful and that I don't like because. And look, you can. Everybody does things that are unthoughtful. I mean, and especially at that age, that's where I do. I'm like, there are things I did at that age that I'm like, that was so self centered. But then say it. Like, be like it was up the way I did that.
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B
Yeah.
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A
I'm sorry.
- [50:37]
B
Now Jojo being like, like the LGBTQ community is like turning on me.
- [50:43]
A
I'm like, well, that's a whole other.
- [50:44]
B
Yeah, I know, but I think it. I think it's intertwined and I am just like, you know, there's not a turning on you, but there is a. I think people are holding you accountable for your behavior a little more than you would like.
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A
Well, and I think too, there's like a. I think it all gets so convoluted with the Internet. But it's like what queerbaiting is. Quote unquote. I think can be. Quote unquote. Oh, my God, I'm never gonna get it. Quote unquote. Yeah, whatever. Like what queerbaiting is. I feel like that term is thrown around so much.
- [51:25]
B
Yeah, well, I don't think she's queer because I don't think she is queer.
- [51:28]
A
But what I think. Well, but I think what is hard. I don't think JoJo is queerbaiting. Obviously, she. She's queer. She's dated so many women. But at the same time, when you push that thing to the front and are like, this is my audience. This is who I'm making money off of, I think debatably, you can queerbait and still be queer. Not really, but I'm like, when you have to Acknowledge this. It's the same thing with Fletcher. It's like, obviously you're queer. You've dated women. Like, of course no one's saying that you're not. But to you, a little more take, take, take from a community that has already so little. And then turn around and be kind of like, well, what was. That Was just me being me. It's like, not my fault that you guys were obsessed with me.
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B
It's not.
- [52:07]
A
It becomes very, like. It becomes very bizarre.
- [52:11]
B
Yeah. So many people were like, fletcher never said she was a lesbian. There was, to my understanding, never any or much alleged talk about men. It felt like what she was selling, she was exclusively selling to a gay. Gay audience.
- [52:27]
A
Which, like, what? And. And I don't know. I, like, didn't really do any digging into the Fletcher stuff when it happened because I didn't really care that much. Also, it happened right when Jojo Si with stuff was happening. So I was kind of locked into something else.
- [52:38]
B
Sure.
- [52:38]
A
Okay. But I am like, I think it's more. It's not beyond me that you could date women for years and then fall in love with a man. Like, it's not beyond me that you could date men for. Well, granted, that's a little different. But date men for a long time and then fall in love with a woman. It's not beyond me, but there's like, this.
- [52:54]
B
Sexuality is not beyond me, but that kind of behavior.
- [52:58]
A
And also, if you're dating someone who. Yes. And if you're dating someone, and this is back to Jojo, if you're dating someone who is not famous or people were like, kath is famous. Be real. Like, they're famous.
- [53:10]
B
Australia. In Australia, being famous.
- [53:12]
A
Jojo Siwa level famous. It's like a different thing. I feel the same way. If Jojo s dated me, I would be like, you need to be aware that I'm not famous like that. Like, you need to.
- [53:20]
B
Whatever.
- [53:20]
A
And so. So it's like to go on after Big Brother and do all these interviews trying to kind of like make Cap out to seem bad when you know they do not have the money to hire a PR team. They do not have money to do. Take all of these precautions, even down to just like, little things like security.
- [53:38]
B
Yeah.
- [53:38]
A
They don't have the money for that. That is so unkind. So I think the cheating, it's always like, it's the way you handle it.
- [53:46]
B
Yeah.
- [53:46]
A
And how Usher is really an inspiration for all of us.
- [53:48]
B
He's an inspiration for all of us.
- [53:50]
A
Us. But I think that yeah, the. The way that JoJo handled that. I said that made me. I don't love that.
- [53:55]
B
Yeah.
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A
At all.
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B
Wow. Okay. Well, this has been an incredible episode. Oh, good. We want you to drop your favorite and your least favorite cheaters in the comments below. And also, like, comment and subscribe on this video in general. Because as you know, this is a completely independently produced and created podcast. Kendall and I pay for the whole thing. So by supporting us either here on YouTube, wherever you get your podcast, or on our Patreon, where there's tons of fun stuff, you can help us.
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