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This is a real, raw and perfectly imperfect conversation of policing, being a police leader and what it all means to be the human under the uniform.

There are not enough words to thank and express my gratitude to Chief Thomas Wells, Chief Scott Hughes and Capt. Steve Saunders; for their incredible insight and opening up about their police careers, how the job has impacted their mental health as well the officers they serve with and the human journey. Thank you!

This was recorded before the Memphis incident and the heartbreaking loss of a Cincinnati officer that took her life.

If you have struggled with depression, mental health or felt alone- you are not alone. There are those who walk the same path you do but have found a way with an overall well-being plan to help manage it all.

The ask for help is a guide in a better direction.

The national suicide and crisis hotline at 988.

Samhas national helpline at 1-800-662-help

If you are a police officer you can call 1-800-copline

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