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Episode Title: We Met NEO, the Viral Humanoid Robot + HatGPT
Hosts: Kevin Roose (The New York Times), Casey Newton (Platformer)
Release Date: November 7, 2025
Episode Theme:
The episode explores the rise of humanoid robots in the home, focusing on the viral Neo robot from 1X, and delves into the practical, ethical, and emotional implications of this technology. It features an in-depth interview with 1X CEO Bernt Bornich and a live demo of Neo, followed by the regular “HatGPT” segment on current tech news.

Episode Overview

This episode grapples with the present-day realities and future possibilities of humanoid robots in everyday life, using the Neo robot as a case study. The hosts interview Bernt Bornich, CEO of 1X, about Neo’s capabilities, data/privacy concerns, industry vision, and societal impacts. They also share their hands-on impressions from a Neo demo and finish with quick takes on tech news via "HatGPT."

Key Sections

1. The Neo Robot Phenomenon

[02:00–05:07]

• Neo, developed by 1X, has recently gained viral fame, especially after Joanna Stern’s Wall Street Journal video.
• The discussion covers humor, anxieties, and hopes around bringing humanoid robots into homes: convenience vs. surveillance, dream-tech vs. reality.

Quote:

"This is a real thing that is happening. In Silicon Valley, investors are pouring billions of dollars into trying to make humanoid robots."
— Kevin Roose (04:12)

2. Interview with Bernt Bornich, CEO of 1X

[05:33–33:48]

Neo’s Capabilities and How It Works

• Neo is marketed primarily as a highly capable household robot: "pretty freaking good at tidying...very good at vacuuming...some cleaning...parts of the laundry." (06:38)
• It operates with a mix of teleoperation and increasing autonomy – humans, frequently via VR, teach and correct Neo, collecting data to train models.
• The aim is eventual autonomy, but human intervention is essential for now.
• Users can interact with Neo through conversation; it’s equipped for physical tasks like opening doors and fetching objects, but full independence is limited.

Quote:

“Over time, more and more of this becomes autonomous...there is always a human in the loop...and that’s how it learns.”
— Bernt Bornich (08:00)

Data Collection and Privacy

• Neo records video, audio, and sensor data (touch/force), uploaded securely after local storage. Users can delete unwanted recordings before upload.
• Data collection only occurs when the robot is active.

Quote:

“It’s video, audio, sense of touch...it stores it locally so that if something happens you don’t want...you can delete it.”
— Bernt Bornich (13:53)

• Privacy is a major concern; teleoperators and managers are highly vetted, user identities and rooms are anonymized/blurry, and operators cannot connect actions to specific households.
• Analogies are made to existing cleaning services and to “human in the loop” AI systems we already use.

Quote:

"This is essentially exactly the same [as a cleaning service]...The difference is we can actually provide a better, more secure service..."
— Bernt Bornich (15:54)

Use Cases, Adoption, and Societal Impacts

• Neo is designed to stay in the home, serving as both utility (on-demand task help) and potential companion.
• Special value is highlighted for assisted living and accessibility, but Bornich downplays Neo as a substitute for human connection, analogizing it to a pet or Calvin’s Hobbes.
• Emotional attachment is inevitable – for better or worse.
• Sex/romantic use cases for Neo are rejected.
• The company is sensitive to the psychological risks of AI companions and strives for positive impact.

Quotes:

"It’s like my Hobbes from Calvin and Hobbes...it takes you away from screens...puts you in the presence."
— Bernt Bornich (23:55)

"Infinitely patient machine...can be understanding and help you. There’s all of these applications that I think are a lot more...meaningful."
— Bernt Bornich (24:55)

Technical Vision and Timelines

• 1X expects to ship over 10,000 units next year, aiming for much higher numbers soon after.
• Neo’s data collection strategy is compared to “the transformer moment” in LLMs – get massive, diverse datasets to build robust models.
• Anticipated: 10% of American households could have a humanoid robot by 2030 (29:11); full autonomy for all household chores by 2027–2029 (30:13).

Notable Lighthearted Exchanges

• Handling privacy during intimate moments:
  • "Before it shuts everything off, I just want it to say, 'God bless you guys. Go for it. Have a great time.'"
    — Casey Newton (15:15)
• Neo as "a new family member"—potential for controversy and even marital strife:
  • "I can't wait for the first Neo to be called to testify in, like, a divorce case."
    — Kevin Roose (15:22)
• On whether Neo will "snitch":
  • “AI models are snitchers...they are because...of how they get aligned...they become snitchers because you want them to be honest.”
    — Bernt Bornich (28:05)
• Will people dress up their Neos?
  • “If there is ever a Neo in my home, it will be in full drag. I’m talking wigs, heels, lipstick, the works.”
    — Casey Newton (43:25)

3. Neo Demo & In-Person Impressions

[35:24–44:57]

Demo Recap

• Neo’s physical design is described as “friendly,” “inviting,” and “benign” with big eyes, woven 'bodysuit', and no mouth. Hosts remark on warmth and the quality of its hug.
• Neo successfully performs some tasks: picks up clutter, fetches a drink, delivers a hug—albeit all teleoperated.
• Struggled with picking items off the floor and sitting in a chair—reportedly due to calibration and wifi issues.
• All actions demoed were teleoperated, not autonomous.

Quotes:

"It just comes across as very benign...its hands were larger than I expected."
— Casey Newton (36:22)
"It's a short king and about 66 pounds...I did get a hug from Neo and it was a good hug."
— Kevin Roose (36:47)

• Uncanny valley: The robot sometimes felt awkward or unsettling, but not threatening.
• Hosts noted a strange sense of guilt in giving tasks to a humanoid figure vs. a smart speaker.

Quote:

“Part of me felt a little guilty...there’s also kind of an uncanny valley with like, I’m giving a task to this robot, but the robot is really just a guy right now.”
— Kevin Roose (42:07)

Limitations and Expectations

• The current Neo is impressive but inefficient, more “intern” than butler. Hosts advise caution: early adopters need to “manage expectations.”
• Anticipated that emotional attachment will be inevitable (“no universe in which people do not develop feelings for these things. And that, like, that worries me.” — Kevin Roose 48:08).

4. Long-Term Potential and Technological Analogy

[46:02–47:58]

• The Neo moment is compared to early self-driving cars: limited, supervised, but obviously progressing.
• The 1X approach draws from the “attention is all you need” LLM revolution: collect enough real-world data and autonomy will follow.

Quote:

“What is interesting to me about Neo is that they are trying to take that insight and apply it to robotics…take that insight and apply it to robotics.”
— Casey Newton (47:08)

5. HatGPT: Rapid-Fire Tech Headlines

[52:00–69:43]

A round-up of news stories, featuring banter, quick analysis, and memorable quotes:

• Common Crawl controversy (“Robots are people too”)

  • On Common Crawl scraping all the internet for AI training and denying publisher opt-outs.
  • “When people come to you and say, hey, take our material out of your data set. You should just do that.”
    — Casey Newton (54:11)

• Elon Musk’s AI Chatbot “Annie” & biometric data

  • Reports of compulsory employee data submission to train a ‘racy chatbot’ at xAI.
  • “Imagine that you are a woman who has the misfortune of working for xAI, and HR brings you into the office and they're like, well, the good news is we think your face would be perfect for our new project. ... The bad news is that it's a sex bot."
    — Casey Newton (55:21–55:44)

• Trump pardoning crypto billionaire CZ

  • Discussion on the random, magical, and dubious nature of presidential pardons.

• Coca-Cola’s AI-Generated Holiday Ads

  • AI produced ads criticized as soulless and awkward.

• White House’s Mock MySpace Parody

  • Satirical, cringey political trolling on an official government URL.

• Ilya Sutskever’s Deposition in the OpenAI Lawsuit

  • Revelations on Sam Altman firing, 52-page memo, and AI corporate intrigue.

• Meta accused of downloading porn for AI training

  • Meta claims it was just “personal use,” not model training.

• Voice Clones for Podcasts

  • On AI-generated voice clones as blessing or betrayal for podcasters.
  • “...if you want sad Casey in your AI voice pack, that's gonna cost you an extra $7 a month.”
    — Kevin Roose (69:33)

Conclusion, Reflections, and Key Takeaways

• Humanoid robots like Neo are rapidly approaching mainstream relevance, with massive VC backing and significant technical progress — but expectations must be managed, especially regarding autonomy and usefulness.
• Privacy, data, and emotional implications loom large; total transparency and well-communicated limitations are vital.
• For now, Neo is best described as an expensive, charming, and at times awkward intern — with the potential, if data strategies succeed, to become a truly transformative household tool.
• Expect further debate about attachment, ethics, emotional health, and the societal role of such robots.
• Current state of the art relies heavily on teleoperation, but the vision is rapid improvement via real-world data collection.
• The episode closes with sharp, satirical, and thoughtful takes on news stories, highlighting the blurred lines between innovation, privacy, ethics, and culture in today’s technology landscape.

Memorable Quotes & Timestamps

• On data collection:
  "It's video, audio, sense of touch...It stores it locally so if something happens you don’t want...you can delete it."
  — Bernt Bornich [13:53]

• On emotional bonds:
  "There is no universe in which people do not develop feelings for these things. And that, like, that worries me."
  — Kevin Roose [48:08]

• On current limitations:
  "I think if you are an extreme bleeding edge early adopter and you like having really weird and pretty expensive experiences...this may be something you want to consider. But I would really manage my expectations."
  — Casey Newton [43:56]

• On broader impact:
  "If this thing can quickly and effectively do the laundry, run the dishwasher, and take out the trash...you can take your $500."
  — Casey Newton [49:47]

• On privacy and honesty:
  “AI models are snitchers...they are because you want them to be honest.”
  — Bernt Bornich [28:05]

Useful Timestamps

• [02:00] – Introducing Neo and the current humanoid robotics wave
• [05:33] – Interview begins with Bernt Bornich, CEO of 1X
• [13:53] – Data collection, privacy, deletion
• [22:25] – Why not use robot fleets? Value of at-home presence
• [29:11] – Prediction: 10% of homes by 2030
• [35:24] – Neo demo recap and first impressions
• [43:56] – Is Neo worth buying? Expectations for early adopters
• [46:02] – Tech analogies and scaling insights
• [52:00] – HatGPT: news roundup begins

Tone & Style

• Witty, skeptical, and conversational, with a balance of deep tech analysis and cultural/societal critique

For listeners new and old, this episode serves as a comprehensive, humorous, and thought-provoking tour through the promises, pitfalls, and realities of our humanoid robot future — and the headlines shaping tech right now.