9/11 Anniversary Q&A Special

Summary

HardLore – Episode: 9/11 Anniversary Q&A Special

Hosts: Colin Young (Twitching Tongues & God's Hate), Bo Lueders (Harms Way)
Date: September 11, 2025
Podcast Description: “Hardcore + Lore = HardLore. Stories from touring life in the hardcore/punk/metal scenes are discussed within biographical conversations with notable weekly guests.”

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Episode Overview

This HardLore episode marks the 24th anniversary of September 11, 2001. Intended as a 9/11 “retrospective,” the hosts discuss their memories of the day, the profound effects it had culturally and personally, and share stories from musician Scott Vogel. The episode then transitions into a wide-ranging, rapid-fire Q&A session, answering listener-submitted questions on hardcore culture, music, touring, personal anecdotes, and more. The episode is candid, nostalgic, and peppered with humor and inside-scene banter.

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9/11 Memories & Retrospective (01:13–12:51)

The Concept

• The hosts intended to collect 9/11 stories from musicians, “where they were on one of the craziest days in human history,” but only Scott Vogel accepted.

Colin’s Story (01:29–04:18)

• Was in elementary school, West Hartford, CT.
• Just visited the Twin Towers weeks before with parents (“some weird thing called the Landmark Forum, which I’m pretty sure is a cult”).
• Learned about the attack when a classmate (Cameron) casually blurted, “the twin towers blew up.”
• Vividly recalls disbelief: “That’s not possible. I was just there. It’s too big to blow up.”
• Remembers post-9/11 changes: TSA, new air travel fees, general atmosphere.

Memorable Quote:
“I guarantee you it’s more vivid for [my teacher] than it is for me... she’s probably at dinner that night, like... this fucking kid Cameron comes in swinging his fists around, doing the thing... chewing gum, says ‘the twin towers blew up’.” — Colin (03:09)

Bo’s Story (05:38–08:30)

• Was in 8th grade; visited the World Trade Center on August 11, 2001 (“Notice my Charlie the Tuna shirt from Kohl’s…”).
• Heard about the attacks via school announcement, watched live broadcast as “all my friends were... all I remember saying the Pledge of Allegiance that day.”
• Recalls the eerie silence near O’Hare Airport post-attacks; not a plane in the sky.

Memorable Quote:
“I screamed at the top of my lungs, ‘we’re all going to die.’ Because again, I was trying to be funny. I was just in 8th grade, dude.” — Bo (07:28)

Aftermath and Cultural Impact (08:46–12:48)

• Both discuss media, patriotism, and anti-Muslim and conspiracy theory fallout.
• Memories of tributes—The Who playing “We Won’t Get Fooled Again” for NYC firefighters.
• Reckoning with lingering health issues among first responders.

Notable Discussion:

• Importance of 9/11 as a generational “Where were you?” moment, akin to JFK assassination.

Scott Vogel’s 9/11 Story (11:13–12:48)

• Living in Arizona, transitional time before founding Terror.
• Remembers not grasping the gravity immediately due to lack of instant news.
• Mentions it’s also his mother’s birthday and the day Rabies (legendary NYHC figure) died: “Pretty intense day.”
• No cell phone or internet—news spread slowly.

Timestamp Highlights:

• [01:29] – Colin’s 9/11 story
• [05:38] – Bo’s 9/11 story
• [11:13] – Introduction to Scott Vogel’s account

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Childhood Misunderstandings & Funny Anecdotes (13:25–16:45)

• Hosts reminisce about misunderstandings as kids (plant nurseries, street signs).
• Bo thought “throw kosh into the wind” was the phrase, invented the concept of credit cards as a 10-year-old, and Colin claims he invented Postmates.
• Both did food delivery work, with stories about hustle vs. gig economy realities.

Quote:
“Why wouldn’t the pizza man also deliver anything else?... I invented being the biggest piece of shit on the planet, which all of us active delivery service users are. But we’re also, you know, supporting gig workers and the local economy.” — Colin (15:45)

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Main Q&A Discussion (17:08–111:32)

Note: Q&A covers a vast array of topics. Below are the main sections, the most notable answers with timestamp references, and selected memorable quotes.

1. First-Listen Records & Music Nostalgia (17:12–20:16)

• If you could hear a record again for the first time:
  • Colin: Into Another – Ignaurus, Coheed – In Keeping Secrets..., Pink Floyd – The Wall
  • Bo: Led Zeppelin – Houses of the Holy, AFI’s “Fall Children,” Metallica – “Master of Puppets”

Bo: “That [‘Over the Hills and Far Away’] was the first real brain worm I ever had... To this day if I pick up an acoustic guitar, that’s what I play.” (19:06)

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2. “Hardest Drum Fill Intros” (20:16–21:17)

• Picks: King Diamond – “Welcome Home,” Cro-Mags – “Age of Quarrel,” Death – “Scavenger of Human Sorrow,” Killing Time’s “Telltale,” Cro-Mags’ “Death Camps”
• Fun trivia: Only time a drummer is credited on a Cro-Mags song is “Death Camps.”

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3. Martial Arts and Spin Kicks in Hardcore (21:24–22:47)

• Colin considers spin kicking to be “innate,” just comes from repetition.
• Bo: “I’ve thrown like four spin kicks in my life in a pit... and you stopped, you know, and I think that was why the height ain’t there.”

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4. Fictional Characters & Movie Theater Rants (22:47–26:32)

• Colin relates to Batman and Dr. Manhattan, rants about movie theater etiquette.
• Anecdote: Bo takes a forbidden title card photo at a JAWS showing, causing Colin much consternation.
• Colin’s old bedroom used to be the pool house where Jaws was edited.

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5. Straight Edge: Philosophy, Preferences, and T-Shirt Discourse (26:32–27:53, 32:52–33:38, 79:52–80:28)

• “How long do you need to be sober before you claim straight edge?” “It’s personal. Do it for you. Or don’t do it at all.” (26:34)
• Straight edge: Both agree it’s about personal choice, not for external validation.
• Later, they confront wearing straight edge shirts while drinking, and don’t care: “That’s the bravest guy in the room.” (107:38)

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6. Halloween Playlist & Traditions (27:06–28:26, 50:59–53:17)

• Hosts’ Halloween Mount Rushmore playlist:
  • “Monster Mash” is the number one essential.
  • Misfits’ “Halloween 2,” Nekromantix’s “Haunted Cathouse,” London After Midnight’s “Sacrifice,” and others get mentions.
• As for traditions: Colin makes a movie calendar, Bo insists on carving pumpkins.

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7. Music to Uplift & Recent Live Shows (29:03–32:50, 56:07–57:32)

• Bo: “I don’t really listen to music to get uplifted.”
• Colin’s quick pick: Ghostbusters 2 soundtrack.
• Latest live shows include Nine Inch Nails (“the Cube... looked like Dune. It was awesome.”) and Acid Bath’s resurrection.
• Both strongly praise the design and experience of the Metallica pinball machine (91:12).

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8. Veganism in Hardcore (33:14–33:41)

• Earth Crisis cited as a big influence, veganism/straight edge seen as “opposition to the mainstream.”
• More nuanced answer to come in upcoming Davey Havoc episode.

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9. Ranking Hardcore Eras/Decades (34:05–36:42)

• Both agree: 80s > 90s > 2010s > 2000s (with caveats for unfinished current decade).
• Passionate about the foundational role of the ‘80s scene.

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10. Artist Supergroups, Name Addendums, and Band Names (101:22–104:13)

• Discuss the pros/cons of supergroups (Path of Resistance, Eyes of the Lord).
• On band names: “If it already exists, don’t do it.” (102:56)
• Criticism of using state abbreviations or add-ons as a fix for taken names.

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11. Favorite (and Least Favorite) Merch (98:00–99:12)

• Worst Harm’s Way shirt: “Warriors Still Reign” (bad colors).
• Worst Twitching Tongues: Angry Birds font with Misfits rip-off.
• Story: Bo’s mom unwittingly bought the infamous shirt from a bandmate on eBay.

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12. Touring Life & Missing Shows (48:33–50:53)

• Both tell stories of missing big shows for touring obligations—Colin’s involves a missed Longmont Potion Castle live call thanks to Brody King, Bo missed seeing Björk for the first time to tour Europe.

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13. Discussion on AI in Music (64:27–69:05)

• Both are wary (“If you need [AI] now, you don’t. You shouldn’t get the privilege of being applauded for your creativity for something you didn’t do.” — Colin, 66:27), but see nuance in using AI for efficiency or research.
• Use AI for podcast editing highlights (“actual proper use”), but agree on “Skynet, bad” (69:10).

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14. Touring, Gigging, and Gear Advice (81:09–84:18)

• For new guitarists: “Get a little Squire... get a Quilter [amp].” (81:21)
• Advice on budget gear and importance of gig-readiness.
• On training’s effects: both think gym training changes how you perform and audiences do judge artists’ visuals.

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15. Personal Impact & Listener Appreciation (57:36–58:49, 72:01–75:25)

• Hosts reflect on fans saying the podcast helped them through tough times: “Every single thing like that is like... I never forget that.” — Colin (58:05)
• Grateful for their editor, Stephen, and emphasize continued motivation comes from the community and the scene.

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16. Funniest On-Stage Moments (69:06–71:50)

• Colin: Noticed a French fan at Hellfest wearing a shirt reading “We hate boobies, we hate pussy, women suck.”
• Bo: At Hellfest, French fan with a huge flag displaying a hairy asshole (“Nick just goes… it broke all of us.” 70:35)

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17. Miscellaneous Highlights

• Alien Franchise Deep Dive (41:09–47:06):
  Discussion on the quality of each film, Alien Isolation game, Sigourney Weaver’s influence, and continuity quirks.
• Movie soundtracks: The Exorcist’s “sexy bass” moment (51:38).
• Mount Rushmore of modern hardcore: Turnstile, Have Heart, Trapped Under Ice, Terror (109:34+).
• Random band/gear/life questions: Preference for fountain soda, worst show overlaps, fun naming stories, and more.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• “I invented credit cards as a ten-year-old.” — Bo (15:41)
• “If you need [AI], you shouldn’t get the privilege of being applauded for your creativity.” — Colin (66:27)
• “The best Halloween song in history. It’s the Monster Mash. It supersedes all.” — Colin (27:15)
• “If you’re not now, you will be soon.” (re: straight edge) — Colin (26:38)
• “It’s a great, great time to be here.” — Bo, reflecting on the current state of heavy music and its resurgence (41:09)
• “Fountain can, glass bottle. I don’t care about the glass.” — Colin (100:17)

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Closing

• Next episode: Davey Havoc (AFI) Part 1, hyped as a true “premium live event.”
• Both hosts share excitement for upcoming festivals, band releases, and personal milestones (Colin’s birthday, Bo’s tour).
• Final banter on soda, merch regrets, festival schedules, and listener appreciation.

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For Listeners Who Missed the Episode:

• This episode blends heavy, heartfelt recollections of September 11 with classic HardLore banter and deep scene lore.
• The Q&A covers everything — from scene philosophy (straight edge, veganism, AI, merch) to gear tips, to personal and scene history.
• The tone is irreverent but deeply connected to hardcore and its community.

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Key Time-Stamped Segments:

• [01:13] – 9/11 stories
• [17:12] – Q&A begins
• [41:09] – Alien movie deep dive
• [72:01] – Reflections on podcast motivations
• [109:34] – Modern day “Big Four” of hardcore

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Bottom line:
The “9/11 Q&A Special” is a maximalist, candid, and highly engaging episode, blending memorial, scene history, and pure fan service. A must-listen for those who love in-depth band banter, music trivia, and hardcore culture.

Transcript

[Colin]

Do you feel punished by co workers asking them if they're in a band? It's an uncomfortable conversation. Regardless.

[Bo]

It doesn't matter if you are Paul Stanley taking a picture with two dorks outside of your favorite local creamery. It doesn't matter if you just put out a demo and it's your first band ever. Having that conversation is just like, yeah, I do this thing. That is what I do.

[Colin]

It's called God's Hate. Oh, it's called Dead Body. It sucks.

[Bo]

Sucks.

[Colin]

That's why every time somebody asks my. My band is called Marauder. You should check it. Hello, welcome. It's hard Lore time. How you doing, Bo?

[Bo]

I'm doing great today, Colin. How are you?

[Colin]

I'm doing fantastic because it's the best. It's the best time of the year. It's when we get to do our Q and A specials. These are. We do them seldomly and we enjoy them every time. They're our favorites.

[Bo]

It's kind of quarterly, isn't it? It's like quarter quarterly answers.

[Colin]

It's a quarterly report.

[Bo]

Yes.

[Colin]

Check in with the people. Today is a special day. It starts on kind of a somber note because Today is the 24th anniversary of September 11, 2001.

[Bo]

Let me ask you something.

[Colin]

Hit me.

[Bo]

Where were you on September 11th?

[Colin]

Here we go. Before I. Before I get into this, I just want to say the whole concept of this episode today was supposed to be like 911 retrospective, where we got different accounts from different musicians on where they were on one of the craziest days to happen in human history. Most people said no instantaneously. Many didn't respond. So I stopped asking people. Scott Vogel said yes immediately. So I'll show you his after we tell ours. But for me, I was in elementary school at the time. West Hartford, Connecticut, is where I grew up. I was in Ms. Something's class. Sure, I forget Ms. Vanny, maybe.

[Bo]

That sounds right.

[Colin]

Ms. Gustafson, one of them, I don't remember them. Didn't like school, not far from New York City, you know?

[Bo]

No.

[Colin]

So, yeah, I was just there a couple weeks ago at some weird thing called the Landmark Forum, which I'm pretty sure is a cult. Some bullshit that my parents brought me to. So stupid. But that was my, like, I. My experience in the Twin Towers was like, oh, wow, these are. Yeah, these are big. Okay, Now I'm in this cult thing, I guess. Oh, this sucks. Time to go. That was weeks prior. So 911 rolls around. This kid Cameron, who is this little fucker, you know, absolute Little shit kid do the thing, walks in, does the thing, does the kid thing, where he's going. Twin towers blew up. And that was how everyone in my class, including my teacher, learned about 9 11. Do you think your teacher, she did not believe him?

[Bo]

Did she retell this story with the thing? Oh, had to, had to.

[Colin]

I guarantee you it's more vivid for her than it is for me.

[Bo]

Yeah, right.

[Colin]

She's probably at dinner that night, like. And then this fucking kid Cameron comes in swinging his fists around, doing the thing. And nonchalantly, like, chewing gum says, the twin Towers blew up. So the whole class is like. Or yet we're in fourth grade. We don't know. We're like, what? What does that mean?

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin]

What are you just there? So I'm like, that's not possible.

[Bo]

It's huge.

[Colin]

I was just there. It's too big to blow up and the teacher's pissed. You think she knows you can't say things like that.

[Bo]

Oh, I see. Okay.

[Colin]

She does not know because this is. It happens@sub 9:00am yeah, it was.

[Bo]

I saw today was, I think the first plane hit 9 or 8:54, something like that. 8:45, something like that.

[Colin]

So it's early and yeah. So right before class, school were to start east coast time that day, right. I stay in school. I think I waited to get picked up all day. My brother got picked up, Taylor got picked up, my mom picked him up, took him to the Two Strawberries at the mall, the West Farms mall in Connecticut, and got him Biohazard uncivilization. And Slayer got hits us all which came out that day, by the way.

[Bo]

These are two people we wanted. We wanted representatives of each of those bands. Not as like a political or immemorial thing, but just like, hey, you're pumped. Put out this big new record. Tell us about that experience. That's all. That was the idea.

[Colin]

We will get that long form eventually. But the short form answer did not happen this time. But yeah, Slayer, Biohazard pod, all had records come out that day. Numerous movies were delayed. You know, Spider man was like reworked.

[Bo]

My 8th grade field trip was to DC that got postponed. And then when it got rerouted, it was the same day as my first show, no Effects. And it was the same weekend as the DC trip when it got all got redone. And I told my mom, hey, I think I want to go to no Effects. And she was like, no problem. Wow. Save me $1,000, you know.

[Colin]

Yeah, that's awesome. Yeah, overall it was, it was super bizarre. I think it like maybe rained ash in Connecticut for a while or something. It was really like. It really got. It got there changed everything. The TSA was created. That did not exist before this. That $11 fee that you pay on every flight that you've ever taken. That did not exist before this. Shoes. Shoes did not exist before this.

[Bo]

God. For pre check.

[Colin]

Free checks. The best. But 911 is the worst.

[Bo]

Yeah, I was in eighth grade. I'm a little older than you. I was 12. I have a picture of myself here. It is the back of the picture. I don't have a picture of but. And it's. It's frame so I don't know if I could get it, but it's of me, my stepmom and my dad. Notice my Charlie the Tuna shirt from Kohl's. Back to school shopping. We're in front of the World Trade center on August 11th, 2001. Morning of. I was in Ms. Crush's 8th grade class. I remember some. I think there maybe was an announcement. She turned it on. We saw the second plane hit and then we watched them all collapse. And I was. I was a little. And all my friends were. And I remember saying the pledge of Allegiance that day. Did you say the pledge every day or.

[Colin]

Yeah, you.

[Bo]

You were supposed to, right?

[Colin]

Cuz yeah, in fourth grade I was pledging the.

[Bo]

Out of that straight up. But. But by like sophomore year it's like no, I'm sitting down.

[Colin]

You know. I wouldn't say under God.

[Bo]

Yeah, yeah, exactly. So what did I say that morning? I remember this. I said I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of Afghanistan. Cuz I thought I was so funny.

[Colin]

Holy hell. Yeah, you were like you. You knew then like we're going out.

[Bo]

Well, it was before cuz remember the time difference? You know, like. Like it was before. So we didn't know yet. Pledge was the first.

[Colin]

Well, it would have been sick. No, that's not true. It would have been six something your time.

[Bo]

Right, but. But I think middle school was like 8am and like.

[Colin]

Yeah, but that's still 10 EST and it already happened.

[Bo]

No, 8am is 9 EST and it would have just happened. Takes a second. Never. No, no one's got cell phones. So we didn't know. We didn't turn on.

[Colin]

No, it happened at 7:00am Chicago time.

[Bo]

Or 8:00am 8:54 is when the first plane hit EST, which would be 7:54. School started at 8. We didn't know right away because information took, you know, time.

[Colin]

Sure, sure.

[Bo]

So I said the the pledge first. Anyway, so it happened. We watched that we had to change periods, change classes. And I remember went to Mr. Stout's class. He was the teacher who got me into history. He was a. He's dog. He's the best in the transfer period. Like, whatever. That in between period is where you're going to your next class. I got out into the hallway and I literally at the top of everyone was like, ah, hooting and hollering. I. Because no one really understood. I screamed at the top of my lungs, we're all going to die. Because again, I was trying to be funny. I was just. I was in eighth grade, dude.

[Colin]

The. The. It took days and weeks and months to understand the severity of it all.

[Bo]

So I got into that class and Mr. Stout, my favorite teacher, the one who made me think about being a teacher, was like choked up and was like, this is really serious. And it immediately brought that down. Didn't get to go home early, did go home. And then I remembered I live right by o' Hare where I grew up. And so there's flight paths constantly. There's always planes going overhead, silent. My mom and I went out on the yard and just looked up, silent.

[Colin]

And the concern was Sears Towers.

[Bo]

I mean, okay. And like I live 30 minutes from the Sears Tower. Like, nothing's happening, but it is the. My grandma worked in the building next door. It was the concern of like, okay, well now the next tallest building in this hemisphere is 30 minutes away, straight up. So that was scary. And then, dude, all I remember really remember was the next, what, two weeks of nothing but cnn.

[Colin]

CNN Freedom Prize.

[Bo]

Yeah, the French dude.

[Colin]

Do you remember Very patriotic sentiment, which.

[Bo]

Was the board kind of nice. Let's.

[Colin]

I mean it was. It was everyone united. But like.

[Bo]

Yeah, but then it led to witch.

[Colin]

But like Muslim people were persecuted for existing. Like, there was an immediately like anti Semitic conspiracy theory. Theories that last to this day.

[Bo]

Yeah. Immediate, immediate.

[Colin]

The blowback is. Is ongoing.

[Bo]

Do you remember there was like a. Like a. Come on, New York, we're still in this concert. And the who played and they. They played We Won't Get Fooled Again. And there's just a bunch of firefighters just like, just like cut and loose for the first time in like a.

[Colin]

Month, you know, so crazy.

[Bo]

It was.

[Colin]

Aw.

[Bo]

But yeah.

[Colin]

And then they're all now dead of cancer from the toxins.

[Bo]

Crazy toxins. Yeah.

[Colin]

Who is that?

[Bo]

I said it wasn't it.

[Colin]

Wasn't it that like, that was as bad or almost as bad as the actual death toll that day?

[Bo]

Oh, I think it was way worse. I think it's like way, way worse. And who was it, Ashton Kutcher? No, it was Ryan Seacrest. Didn't he, like, raise a bunch of money? Or Carson Daly? One of them, like, obsessed over. Obsessed over getting those guys money. But yeah, that was crazy, man. That was a really weird period. And then I. Colin and I pre recorded some of this the other week. And I remember I was signing up for the draft in a couple years. By the time we invaded Afghanistan, 2003, I had to sign up for the draft. And I remember that being another like, holy, this is real. This is. This is like real. Like, yeah, probably not, but if there is a draft, I'm eligible. This is fucking nuts, you know?

[Colin]

Yeah, I think I was too young to understand until much later other than, like, the surrealness of it came from having just been there, much like yourself.

[Bo]

Same. What's. I wonder if we were there even remotely at the same time, which is.

[Colin]

Kind of probably the exact same time. It was August 2001.

[Bo]

That's crazy, huh? Yeah. And it's. It's one of the only things in our lifetime, Colin, where you can say, where were you on this day? And people will know, which I think every time the previous ones were like the Kennedy assassination, stuff like that was as serious as it got, so pretty heavy.

[Colin]

And here's where Scott Vogel was on 9 11.

[Scott Vogel]

Good morning to the hard lore world. So 9 11. Yes. I was myself in a really transitional phase of my life, living in Arizona for a few months on my way of leaving Buffalo and moving to LA just before terror started. My man Busky. I was living with my friend Mark, who owned a house, and my man Busky was in town with Sana Sangre and they stayed with us for a day or two. In the morning I thought I was with him, but I checked with him that morning. He left to go to the next city on their tour. So it was just me and Mark. And I'm not really sure. I definitely did not have a cell phone or Internet or email. I mean, those things existed, but not like they do now. So it wasn't really something I needed at the time. I gotta assume. Probably just saw in the news or maybe went to a store and someone mentioned something.

[Colin]

But.

[Scott Vogel]

Yeah, I think one thing to mention is like, the full gravity of something like that wasn't immediate. And you kind of really had to piece things together and get that information and be like, wow, this world's crazy. But also, 911 is my mom's Birthday and the death of rabies and of course, what we're talking about here.

[Colin]

So.

[Scott Vogel]

Pretty intense day.

[Bo]

Wow.

[Colin]

Unbelievable.

[Bo]

Probably in New York.

[Colin]

Probably. I already watched, but yeah, he. Outstanding. So that was. That was our 911 retrospective. Could have done two full hours of that, you know. Yeah, maybe next year when it's not on a Thursday. Thanks, everybody. We're. We're going to fire up some. Wait, you know, let me ask you something. Speaking of when we were kids, you know, is there anything that you can think of that confused you deeply as a child that you grew up to realize was stupid, but also like, it's not that stupid.

[Bo]

Oh, give me what you're thinking.

[Colin]

I'll give you an example. Something that clicked with me not recently, but like, I used plant nurseries were very confusing to me as a child. So it's like, why is it called a nursery? That's where babies go. Why do plants get those too? Speaking of plants, dry cleaners plant on premise. I thought that meant they got plants in there and if you're allergic to plants, you shouldn't go in.

[Bo]

Whoa.

[Colin]

Yeah, I was, I mean, to me, I was like, that's got to be it. There's no way it means anything else.

[Bo]

I was afraid of one way streets. I thought it meant like you were going to get into a car accident. I thought it was just like, hey, we're going this way, but we got to. I can't. It's a one way. Like, I thought it just meant, you know, we're talking child. Yeah. I thought the phrase was throw Kosh into the wind. I thought Kosh was a thing. I didn't know it was caution to the wind.

[Colin]

So that guy just gotta throw caution there. Yeah, that's in that.

[Bo]

I thought Kosh was another thing. Yeah, I remember that. Oh, and I also remember thinking, okay, so for my 10th birthday, which would have been 1997, my dad, for my 10th birthday, got me a bank account that was my birthday present. It's this. It's the same checking account I have.

[Colin]

To this day, which, I mean, not the worst gift. To be grandfathered into something with probably zero fees is nice.

[Bo]

Yeah. And I am, so that's cool.

[Colin]

Same.

[Bo]

But I remember I went that night, I went to a Bulls game at the United Center. I saw Jordan play and they lost, which it was the 72 and 10 year. So I saw one of the 10 where they lost, which is crazy. And I told my friend who I was with, I got a debit card today. I have a bank account and you didn't believe me, So I went to the ATM and I withdrew. You could only do a 20, and it was like a $6 fee. I had 25 bucks in. So I immediately put this account into the negative. And my dad was keeping an eye on it, obviously. So like the following week, he was like, what did you do? Blah, blah, blah. And I got into trouble. And I remember thinking they should do a card where you can, like, put charges on it and then you pay it back at the end of the month. So I invented credit.

[Colin]

You invented credit cards in your mind.

[Bo]

As a 10 year old?

[Colin]

I invented Postmates as like a 16 year old.

[Bo]

That's genius.

[Colin]

I know.

[Bo]

Yeah. Why?

[Colin]

Thanks. Thank you.

[Bo]

Why wouldn't the pizza man also deliver anything else?

[Colin]

That's the thing. I'm thinking, like, what if I don't? What if that a place I want that doesn't have a delivery driver will deliver it to me? I invented being the biggest piece of shit in the planet, which all of us active delivery service users are. But we're also, you know, supporting gig workers and the local economy.

[Bo]

Did you ever do that? Did you ever work one of the. One of the apps?

[Colin]

Not the apps, but I was an actual pizza delivery driver.

[Bo]

Right, right. In 2018, I did Postmates and Doordash.

[Colin]

In its prime. I never had a car decent enough to do that. Yeah, like at that time, you know?

[Bo]

Yeah, I borrowed a car. I worked an eight hour day and made like a hundred bucks. You know what I mean? Just brutal.

[Colin]

Dude, when Uber launched, it was like. Oh, it was like crazy career.

[Bo]

Yeah, like, you, you're fine.

[Colin]

You made 80 grand a year if you did it for real. Crazy. Let's get into some. Some Patreon questions here.

[Bo]

Now, keep in mind, these are Patreon questions. So if you have a question you want to ask, you should probably sign up for the Patreon.

[Colin]

They're first from the Patreon, then we got some from the Discord. But we prioritize the Patreon always. So if you got something good to ask, we're gonna do this again at the end of this year, get on the Patreon, and this could be you.

[Bo]

This is also how we have questions for guests who come on and all that good stuff.

[Colin]

Seriously, exclusive episodes, etc. Joshua King asks, if you could go back in time and listen to a record or two again for the first time, which record would it be? And I think this is an interesting question because very few things immediately blow my mind. Red, big time for you.

[Bo]

Big time for me.

[Colin]

You're a grower.

[Bo]

Big time.

[Colin]

But I think a couple things that like even master killer. First time I heard it I was like this is good. Metallic hardcore.

[Bo]

Sure.

[Colin]

I like this couple things that I vividly remember. Having my cheeks sucked into my hole.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin]

They were so good.

[Bo]

Yeah. Oh. What do you remember doing that?

[Colin]

Warning. Watching from a distance.

[Bo]

Okay.

[Colin]

Into another ignaras.

[Bo]

Wow. Wow.

[Colin]

Coheed and Keeping Secrets 3.

[Bo]

Somehow these all make sense.

[Colin]

Dude. The first times were just like out of body experiences.

[Bo]

Wow.

[Colin]

And then watching Pink Floyd the Wall.

[Bo]

Okay.

[Colin]

I accept that that was like jaw gaping the whole time.

[Bo]

Let me ask you this. So you're doing it as you're going back in time and you're gonna be this age that you were at that time as opposed to you your age now. Going back in time and just hearing that's okay.

[Colin]

I would that me back in time. Going back in time. Now I would want to experience video games again for the first time. I would want to beat people up. I would want to experience movies again.

[Bo]

For the first time.

[Colin]

But music. I think the time and place is so important to how you experience them.

[Bo]

Okay. Led Zeppelin. Houses of the Holy. When I heard over the Hills and Far Away. The day when I first heard that it was the first real brain worm I ever had. Where I could not get that out of my head for months. To this day if I pick up an acoustic guitar, that's what I play.

[Colin]

That's where you're playing.

[Bo]

That's the riff.

[Colin]

It's a good answer.

[Bo]

Yeah. That would be one. Fall Children. The riff. Fall Children. That's. That's easily one where I remember sitting on and being like this sounds scary. This is scary. I like so they were.

[Colin]

They were a one taker for you all?

[Bo]

Hollows was for sure man.

[Colin]

I I I 99 of conversations I have with you.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin]

It's got to grow on you. Well this is whatever it may be.

[Bo]

I'm kind of scraping the barrel here. You know. I'm going Led Zeppelin. I'm going like my some of my biggest. I want one more. I wonder if this counts. I I had known and obviously heard Metallica my whole life. But one day I was driving in my first car. It was storming out and the local like the local KROC was playing all of Master of Puppets the song and it got to the while it's like storming out but it's like a summer drive and I just, I heard that and it just connected with me in that moment. I'M sure I had heard that riff.

[Colin]

Before, but not in that way.

[Bo]

Not in that way. And that was what made. That was part of the reason in high school I got way back into Metallica and that lasted to this day, you know for sure.

[Colin]

Great answer. Great answer. Bryce Reed asks top harder. Top three hardest drum fill intros. I think not hard to play. Like dopest top three dopest top three. Sickest drum fill intros of all time. King Diamond. Welcome home. Chromag's Age of Quarrel and Death. Scavenger of Human Sorrow. Unplayable.

[Bo]

You're gonna love this one.

[Colin]

I love it.

[Bo]

Killing Time. Telltale one. Dude, it's perfect. And we. If you really listen to it, it sounds. Sound replaced. It sounds like really compressed and crazy. God, take my force. Come on, give me a. Is that a roll through? Just give me like a straight. Unbelievable. And then I'll say Chromax Death Camps.

[Colin]

What we learned was the only time a drummer was credited writing on a.

[Bo]

Chromax song was that part. How about that?

[Colin]

Yeah, just very interesting. Let's see. Giles Corey asked.

[Bo]

Giles Corey is the guy who was crushed to death in Salem.

[Colin]

He asked where did Colin learn to spin kick so well? Did he have any martial arts or athletic background growing up or is it just innately part of his being? Just innately part of my being for one. But you gotta understand, I've been doing this a long time. Yeah, practice makes perfect. So just don't stop, you know, ever.

[Bo]

I've thrown like four spin kicks in my life in a pit. And one of them was for sure at the killer first LP record release.

[Colin]

And you stopped, you know, and that's. I think that was why the height ain't there.

[Bo]

Probably the last one probably.

[Colin]

So just don't stop. It's. It's not about learning where or when I did it. Just. It happens from repeat process 100 demons.

[Bo]

You know what?

[Colin]

F. What?

[Bo]

I was going to say something. That clip of you guys playing the Carryon song at Sound and Fury. Those of us who are moshing on stage. No one's throwing spin kicks.

[Colin]

No, it's not that. It's not that type of.

[Bo]

But we're all also the same age. And I also can't see any of the people who are on stage at that moment throwing a spin kick.

[Colin]

I don't think it's a spin kick song. I think there's a different. Like you can't be spin kicking the youth crew.

[Bo]

But that's why.

[Colin]

That's.

[Bo]

That is my point. So Because I came up so much through that side of hardcore, you know, it just kind of. It's just. Yeah, you're not going to throw a spin kick to youth of today.

[Colin]

It's different. And that's not what it's for. It's not why the spin kick exists. You know, it's not to be weaponized in the wrong hands at the wrong times. Jake English asks, what fictional character do you relate to the most? I would say if I'm in a movie theater, it's Batman. I'm vengeful, I'm watchful, I'm protective. Outside of a movie theater, probably Dr. Manhattan.

[Bo]

Have you had another movie theater experience recently?

[Colin]

All of them. Every single time I'm there, somebody's doing something. I'll tell you. A movie theater. I had experience I had the other day.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin]

You went to see the 50th anniversary of JAWS and took a picture of the title card on your phone. And then, and then you lied to me. And then you said, it's an empty theater. It's just me, my mom and Taylor. And I could see in the picture there's 90 people in front of you.

[Bo]

There were not 90 people there. Everyone was grouped in one spot. We were in the last row. But the end then was. I posted it. That's what you really did.

[Colin]

And then you posted it and I couldn't. It felt like you shot me in the head. It felt like utter betrayal, bro.

[Bo]

It was just the title card. It happens in the first five seconds.

[Colin]

You know, but that's. How many do I have to have the nits conversation with you again? Yeah. Nits is a unit of measurement for brightness.

[Bo]

Oh, I see.

[Colin]

The movie theater screen. 50 nits.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin]

The iPhone screen at minimum brightness, 200 nits.

[Bo]

So what if no one's behind?

[Colin]

Approximately. I'm behind you at all times. Think about that.

[Bo]

It feels like it.

[Colin]

I'm right here.

[Bo]

Yeah. Yes.

[Colin]

I should be right here. I guess I'm not.

[Bo]

Yeah, I did saw Jaws and Imax. Taylor saw it for the first time. Took my mom.

[Colin]

Isn't it unbelievable?

[Bo]

It's unbelievable, man. What a movie. It's so funny how Spielberg has such like. And John Williams. That is such a John Williams driven movie.

[Colin]

And. And like to a fault sometimes.

[Bo]

Sometimes. Yeah.

[Colin]

Because like some of the. Some of the stuff where he's got the barrels in the end is like, why is this so whimsical? It's horrifying.

[Bo]

It's beautiful, right? Yeah. It's not supposed to be, but I think it Wants. They want to give you that feeling of, we got him.

[Colin]

There is. We got him. And then. And then. He can't go down with three barrels. He goes down with three barrels. Not with three barrels. Yes, with three barrels.

[Bo]

With three barrels, yes. Quinn.

[Colin]

So when we moved to California, our dad's friend owned a home in Van Nuys, where I still currently live. It was. That home was originally owned throughout, like, her whole life by Verna Fields, a woman who. She was a longtime, very famous Oscar winning editor. Edited Jaws. Won an Oscar for film editing for Jaws. My, Mine, and Taylor's shared bedroom was the pool house where Jaws was edited. So there's some lore. Eight. One, eight Jaws. Pretty unbelievable.

[Bo]

Let me think. Who. What. Who do I.

[Colin]

Jaws.

[Bo]

I resonate with Bruce the Shark. I resonate with. I do resonate with Anchorman. What's his name? Not Will.

[Colin]

Rick.

[Bo]

No, no, no. What's Will Ferrell's character's name? Ron.

[Colin]

Ron Burgundy.

[Bo]

Burgundy. When he's in the telephone box, that's how I'm feeling.

[Colin]

That's you.

[Bo]

That's me right now. Yeah, that's me.

[Colin]

Agony.

[Bo]

Pain. Glass case of emotion. Straight up.

[Colin]

Okay. That's the. That's your lens. The glass case. Well, I'm sorry to hear that. Janky Lorimer asks. Come on, Janky. How long do you need to be sober before you claim straight edge? This is not how this works.

[Bo]

It don't matter, dude.

[Colin]

It's not how any of this works.

[Bo]

Do it for you.

[Colin]

It's personal.

[Bo]

Good for you. Or don't do it at all.

[Colin]

Exactly. If you're not now, you will be soon.

[Bo]

And the last reason you should do it for is because of what anyone else says.

[Colin]

100%. Mount Rushmore tracks for a Halloween playlist. Great question. And look, it's. And it's very simple, okay? Many people think misfits. Many people think afi. You know, spooky stuff, Necromantics.

[Bo]

Typo.

[Colin]

Typo. There's one single answer for the greatest Halloween song in history. It's the Monster Mash.

[Bo]

It's the Monster Mash. It's a great.

[Colin]

It supersedes all. Dracula and his son are on their way.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin]

And you want me to play something else?

[Bo]

Yeah. What's Dracula's son?

[Colin]

You know, he's Dracula's wolf man. Dracula and his son. That's the list. That's done. We're out, guys. Night in. Okay.

[Bo]

Like Mount. I mean, let's do unconventional. And only one of each band. I'll say Halloween 2. Oh, that's a Sick song.

[Colin]

We have an appreciation.

[Bo]

It's such a good song.

[Colin]

What is he saying? Like formulae. Lycanthropy.

[Bo]

It's Latin. Some Latin.

[Colin]

That's awesome.

[Bo]

It's so pretty cool, man.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin]

And then the taped ending of Halloween 1 coming back in so I could explode right here. All Hallows Eve typo.

[Bo]

Great.

[Colin]

Haunted cat house. Necromantics.

[Bo]

Who killed the cheerleader?

[Colin]

Oh God. Unbelievable song. So good. But no haunted cat house has got to be the one.

[Bo]

And then like let's do like a molecat Doma. That. That Belarusian band.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Bo]

Every one of their songs on Monument could fit into some Halloween shit.

[Colin]

Trypticon. There's the. The third song on the Shatter ep that's like Crucifixia or something. That's just like the whole time. How about that one?

[Bo]

It's a good one.

[Colin]

And something spooky. London After Midnight Sacrifice. Dude. Oh, that's the greatest song of all time.

[Bo]

Wow. Good pick.

[Colin]

Benji Walker asks. You've both spoken about depressions and lows. And for me, when stuff gets dark, I can't help but listen to super sad music. Any recommendations on uplifting music?

[Bo]

I don't.

[Colin]

Ghostbusters 2 soundtrack. That's all I got.

[Bo]

I don't really listen to music to get uplifted. I'm gonna be honest with you.

[Colin]

No. If I'm feeling good, I'll put something on that feels good. But I'm not like I need to get happy. Let's put some. Some grease on, you know?

[Bo]

Yeah. Yeah. I. If I'm emotionally needing music, it's gonna be anger or sadness for sure. But if I'm feeling good, put some abba. I'll put on. I'll put on that Cross Whistles Nash record I always talk about. That's just a feelgood record.

[Colin]

Little Elvis ch.

[Bo]

Just something that's homey and comfortable. That's probably the most content. Music is something that whatever you can listen to while you're like doing dishes or cooking dinner. You know, honestly.

[Colin]

First three Oasis Records.

[Bo]

Oh their.

[Colin]

Their whole mentality would they don't with sad music. Cuz they're like there. There's no point in making our audience feel this way.

[Bo]

Tell you something.

[Colin]

I'm going in a few days.

[Bo]

I know. Well, you would have gone and you had a great time here.

[Colin]

Here. It was unbelievable.

[Bo]

So I saw Nine in Nails a couple weeks ago. It's the greatest show I've ever seen. The greatest production I've ever seen in my life. I cannot. I cannot believe how Good. It was the Cube. The Cube, man. Two of them. It looked like Dune. It was awesome.

[Colin]

Isn't it crazy what bands got to do now? Like. Like they. They're innovators. Obviously they were gonna do the qb.

[Bo]

Yes, correct.

[Colin]

But like ticket. Concert tickets are a thousand dollars because people can't just watch a band play.

[Bo]

I paid 23 books.

[Colin]

You're. I mean, that's different. Is that. Was that the retail price stub.

[Bo]

Ga. StubHub. No, I was so. That I was way the fuck up.

[Colin]

But it's saying what was ga?

[Bo]

Yeah. Like. Like a few hundred. It was day off. You know what I mean? But it's. But the nice thing is no bad seat in that house because of how they did it because the Cube's in the round. So it doesn't matter.

[Colin]

The Cube's going to Cube it.

[Bo]

That.

[Colin]

I mean, it looks unbelievable.

[Bo]

You have to go. You have to go.

[Colin]

But I don't know when it's in la. I got to find.

[Bo]

It's coming up. But then a few. A week or two later went and saw band called Oasis in Soldier Field. We. We bit the bullet. We got tickets in the very first section right up front. It was probably the most enjoyable GA concert experience I've ever had. I can't imagine anything being better than that.

[Colin]

Wow. I mean, I can't wait. It was amazing. I just saw Acid Bath at the Palladium.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin]

Dude. I described it as one of the greatest musical miracles in history.

[Bo]

Right. Because they're kind of having a renaissance too.

[Colin]

It's not a renaissance.

[Bo]

No, they.

[Colin]

I mean, it's a. It's beyond a renaissance.

[Bo]

Oh. It's a rebirth. Resurrection.

[Colin]

They were like deep cut sludge, you know, like bottom of the. Not bottom of the barrel. Because they're incredible. They've been incredible this whole time. But in terms of popularity, like, I figured they would have been supporting. I hate got, you know, like way under.

[Bo]

Sure.

[Colin]

Exhorter. Even Modern Day. And now they are the biggest of any of those bands.

[Bo]

Where are they from?

[Colin]

New Orleans.

[Bo]

They are. Wow.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Bo]

I didn't know that.

[Colin]

Salmon duet. Rocking the guitar.

[Bo]

Something in the Water. Dude.

[Colin]

Dude. I mean. Yeah.

[Bo]

Oh.

[Colin]

It was unbelievable. They sound perfect. Set list is kind of weird because it's like a lot of the second record and but my God, they like just a true miracle. Like 8,000 tickets across two shows in LA. Like crowbars not come close to that. And that's the best band of all time.

[Bo]

Right? Right. Wow. And.

[Colin]

But they're on their way. I Guess.

[Bo]

I mean, this whole tour is like sold out.

[Colin]

The TikTok youth have found Crowbar. Thank God it's sometimes, man, they're right and I love that they're. They are. They. They're feeding for heavy distorted guitars and beautiful ballads. It's a miracle.

[Bo]

It's outstanding.

[Colin]

Great for them, very happy for them. Acid Bath.

[Bo]

What was the question?

[Colin]

Something about depression.

[Bo]

Oh yeah, put on Acid Bath. Listen to Crowbar.

[Colin]

Terrible. Username asked. Excuse me if this has been asked before or is public knowledge, but how is it that so many people in hardcore are vegan? FYI, I'm pretty new to hardcore, so. Pardon me, it's not a stupid question. I think it's fair. Yeah, but I think, I think Davey in our upcoming episode has a really good viewpoint on this.

[Bo]

You're absolutely right.

[Colin]

So I would look out for that.

[Bo]

Look out for that.

[Colin]

It's not our place to say.

[Bo]

Right.

[Colin]

But I do like Earth Crisis. Huge reason why many are vegan. The 90s, everybody. Early 90s, everybody was vegan. Straight edge because it was cool and some people stayed, some people didn't. But being hardcore exists as an opposition to the mainstream, to the norm. And the norm is burgers, steaks.

[Bo]

Even as. As plant based as. As today can be as a normal person, it's still you. You can't really go to. You can't go to most fast food places and get yourself a full meal, you know, so it's still, still hard. But yes, good, good. I think you're absolutely right. Davey had a. Davey had a perspective that made Colin and I both feel bad.

[Colin]

Yeah, we were like. Dylan Reed asks Colin, do you still watch Big Brother or do you not have interest after working on it? I never watched it before working on it. I would say working on it would make me more inclined to watch it, but I don't have time for how often it airs. It airs three times a week. Monday, Wednesday. Wait, Wednesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Sunday. I don't know. I think three times a week. And there's a 24 hour live feed. I don't have time to keep up for all that. I won the competitions every time. So as a former Big Brother winner, I really don't need to be watching it. Anyway, great show. Yeah. Both. If you could rank the eras slash decades of hardcore punk, how would you rank them?

[Bo]

Oh, interesting.

[Colin]

I would go 2000s.

[Bo]

But let's figure. Let's figure out the. Let's figure out the. Because I think there's pre 80s, early 80s, late 80s, early 90s, late.

[Colin]

I would say let's go pre 80s, 80s together as one, you know, but.

[Bo]

Early 80s SSD is so different than like 89.

[Colin]

Yeah, but that's one beautiful decade of things. Whereas the 2000 are. Started pretty good and then ended.

[Bo]

Okay.

[Colin]

Abysmally.

[Bo]

Okay, then yes, early 2000, pretty far down.

[Colin]

Bottom. Bottom probably then 2010, maybe 2000s, maybe.

[Bo]

No, I think 2020. Yeah. Covid stunk, but.

[Colin]

And we're not even done yet, so there's five whole years left to unaccount for. But I already know it's better than the 2000.

[Bo]

But think about the heights that so many bands have gotten to since then.

[Colin]

I know, but it's hard. It's half over and. And half of it sucked.

[Bo]

Okay.

[Colin]

You know, that's my reasoning.

[Bo]

So a quarter of a decade is good. Yes, I got you.

[Colin]

So I would go 2000s, 2010.

[Bo]

Yes.

[Colin]

90S 80s.

[Bo]

Yeah. Yeah. And 80s.

[Colin]

90S are pretty interchangeable for us. I think we like so much of both.

[Bo]

We really do.

[Colin]

But that you don't get the 90s without the 80s, and I think that's so important.

[Bo]

Choosing between 80s and 90s is tough. I think I would probably go 80s, because I think.

[Colin]

I think there's.

[Bo]

So you get it.

[Colin]

I think. Yeah. We like old.

[Bo]

So 80s. We like old shit, but the old shit. Yeah.

[Colin]

This is. It's. This is hardcore. This is. This is the. The. The only. This is the genre where the roots matter. Let me ask you something. What's that look like to you?

[Bo]

Nothing.

[Colin]

Like a little. It's like a big freckle or something. I've had it since after Sound and Fury. Do I got skin cancer? You think that looks. If any doctor dermatologist watching. Does that look good? Does that look all right?

[Bo]

Oh, I see that thing. I see that. Should probably go to a doctor.

[Colin]

You think so?

[Bo]

I might have someone look at.

[Colin]

Looks that. Like, bad. What is it?

[Bo]

Yeah, I mean, it could be. It could be a freckle. You're a. You just found out you're Irish.

[Colin]

Irish British. Can you get new freckles?

[Bo]

Yeah, yeah, definitely. Your whole life. You can get new moles, skin tags. Yeah.

[Colin]

So we'll call it. We'll call it a new freckle.

[Bo]

All right.

[Colin]

I'm fine.

[Bo]

One big new freckle.

[Colin]

Tate asks, in terms of straight edge hardcore, do you prefer the positive here? Hear my voice. Come back to the light approach of a band like Magnitude, or the more aggressive keep smoking, I want you to die approach of a band like no Cure? I think There's a great place for balance of both.

[Bo]

Why are you making me choose between vanilla ice cream and chocolate ice cream? I love ice cream.

[Colin]

You can swirl.

[Bo]

I'm swirl them up. It's all good.

[Colin]

I want some people to come to hear my voice and come back to the light. I want some people to die.

[Bo]

I love Youth Today is my favorite one. And they have towards the end they got very time to forgive and very like soft. So I prefer the earlier, more angry stuff. But it was still like, hey, you don't need that because you can come with us. And it was like there was an aggressive like, no, no, no. Our way is the way. And I like that. Which is kind of a mix. So that would be my.

[Colin]

I agree. Mount Rushmore. To get someone into straight edge youth today. Yeah. Break down the walls. Destroy the machines.

[Bo]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Colin]

Pastimes. Jersey Shore.

[Bo]

Yes. And Lifeless Plague.

[Colin]

Honestly and Lifeless Play.

[Bo]

Even though a lot of that is about. But. But I like the spectrum. I enjoy that.

[Colin]

Yeah. I agree. Easy, easy.

[Bo]

Yeah, that's. That's great.

[Colin]

Current T shirt. Grails.

[Bo]

I just got an Allison chain shirt that I just could up and gotta wash them so that I've been wanting. So the rooster shirt. Well, like the. The My way. Yeah, I. I want a rooster shirt. I need a rooster shirt. And they're like 800.

[Colin]

Yeah. Yeah. They're crazy.

[Bo]

Trying to think they're looking for a.

[Colin]

Suede animal nitrate tea if anybody's got one for me. And then I want a down but not out 89 shirt. I don't have one. Yeah. I don't think they'll ever fit me realistically.

[Bo]

What's that Chromex shirt that you and I both have with the neon?

[Colin]

The green one?

[Bo]

Yeah, that's.

[Colin]

That's. That's not down but out Omega.

[Bo]

Doesn't it say down but not out on the back?

[Colin]

It's. That's the ten year circle. It's like a ten year anniversary of the band.

[Bo]

You're right. You're right.

[Colin]

Six right though.

[Bo]

You know. Baker found a dominant out hoodie in Kuala Lumpur with US $10 just at the distro.

[Colin]

Even if that's fake, that's sick.

[Bo]

Yes. 100%.

[Colin]

100% vintage parking lot bootlegs as cool as dude Real shit.

[Bo]

That is my favorite thing. And what's so funny is when I walk past the dudes selling shit at Oasis or outside of the Micam show, I look at the boots, I'm like, you fucking scumbag.

[Colin]

Yeah. Piece of one. Cyril. Dude. There Was an acid bath one where I was like, I might need this.

[Bo]

It's so cool. But I hate it now. But I have several Metallica.

[Colin]

Dude, knowing how dark that industry is is crazy.

[Bo]

Explain.

[Colin]

Because a lot of the time they'll contact the printers and just get printed directly from the printers.

[Bo]

So it's this. It's literally the same.

[Colin]

Sometimes it's a straight up inside job.

[Bo]

They're just undercutting.

[Colin]

Sometimes that's. I mean, I'm sure that's rare, but. And like, you can threaten those dudes and you'll get swarmed and up. Oh, it half. They'll get you.

[Bo]

Let me tell you something. They don't have. They. They don't got the Oasis Adidas Polo jersey. That's some of the nicest merch I've ever seen.

[Colin]

I got the pants. They're unblue.

[Bo]

You got them?

[Colin]

I went pop up.

[Bo]

Yeah, yeah.

[Colin]

They're unbelievable.

[Bo]

It's crazy. It's crazy.

[Colin]

It's a great. It's a great, great time to. To be here. Colin and Bo, if you had to start a band with concept albums based on a film series, what film series would you use? Let me tell you what I am obsessed. I'm re. Obsessed with Alien right now.

[Bo]

Oh, nice.

[Colin]

I'm so Alien build. It's unbelievable. From the show. And then like, like Lana's loving the show, so I'm going back and showing her all the movies. And like rewatching Alien and Aliens was like, like Alien is the best sci fi movie, period. Yes, it's perfect. Even the long shots of dread where nothing happens are so intentional and beautiful. And the buttons, the bleep bloops are just so satisfying. And then Aliens is God tier action. It's a whole other whole other thing. Three is dog shit.

[Bo]

Yeah. How do you feel three and beyond three is crap.

[Colin]

And nobody hates it more than David Fincher, so I feel confident in saying that it's crap, you know, and even James Cameron has said it's beautifully shot. What the fuck are they thinking? Because like the taking away everything, Everything you've come to love about Aliens is gone immediately. Yeah, it's bizarre. This. The premise is interesting. Ripley in an all male prison. All male, like religious fanatic prison. Good concept. There's another way to do that. And maybe it's not Alien 3. That could have been 5, you know?

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin]

Or 4. Resurrection, I think is a much better movie than 3.

[Bo]

What's the one that starts with like the scientist eating a fly? It's like the. The first Shot. It's either Resurrection or Four.

[Colin]

It's got to be Resurrection because they're. They're. That's when they're cloning her.

[Bo]

That's right. And it's when I think it's a.

[Colin]

Better sci fi movie. It's more fun, it's more whimsical. It's the director of Amelie, which is.

[Bo]

One of my favorite movies, is Four and Resurrection. Are they the same? Yes, that's Four is Resurrection.

[Colin]

Yes.

[Bo]

Okay. And then is that the last one?

[Colin]

Well, before. I mean, there's Alien versus Predator. And then I think there's Requiem. I don't know. Yeah. AVP Requiem. Right. Is that another thing?

[Bo]

Well, is Resurrection the last one with Ripley?

[Colin]

Yes.

[Bo]

Okay. And then Prometheus is the best fucking movie.

[Colin]

It's the second best Alien movie. Yeah, it's Alien. Prometheus. Straight up.

[Bo]

Straight up. I'm so glad we agree on that.

[Colin]

Oh, it's unbelievable. And then Covenant. I don't hate. I think it's good.

[Bo]

I didn't. We watched it the other night at your place. I didn't love it. I didn't hate it. I didn't hate it. I did not hate it, but I didn't love it. I liked it.

[Colin]

It's another bizarre like. What are you doing? Why would you do that?

[Bo]

Why would you do that? Yeah.

[Colin]

And it's because, again, the studio interfered and pushed back against what we saw in Prometheus. But what would have happened in the third one. Sounds awesome. And David and the Xenomorphs versus the remaining engineers that were the last space jockey crash lands on the original planet from Alien. That would have been fucking incredible.

[Bo]

And it's so neat and done so neat. Where do you stand with Romulus?

[Colin]

I don't hate it. I think there's a lot of good ideas. I really don't understand the purpose of doing the cgi. Ash. I know he has a different name in this, but. But it is. Yeah. Ian Shane. Is that his name? Ian something?

[Bo]

Ian something.

[Colin]

It establishes that that was a common synth face at the time. So therefore, it's like, was the. Were the Nostromo people stupid for not recognizing this as a synthetic?

[Bo]

Exact.

[Colin]

Or did they send this synthetic on multiple missions at the same time for the first time? I think it just muddies up the whole vibe. Because the only Android we've seen repeat was Bishop.

[Bo]

Right.

[Colin]

And it's only because that second one in three was allegedly not an Android.

[Bo]

Right.

[Colin]

It was Charles Bishop Whalen. His. An ancestor of the Whelan family.

[Bo]

Wow. You're right.

[Colin]

Don't get me started on this. That is such a deeply fucking terrible idea that I could not enjoy the movie. But I think there's so much cool stuff. The slow mo G scene was incredible.

[Bo]

That was cool. The face huggers, always sick.

[Colin]

I liked all that. They were obviously very practical, which I loved.

[Bo]

The crazy humanoid guy at the end, just staring, you know?

[Colin]

Yeah, he's great.

[Bo]

He's awesome.

[Colin]

The brother guy. The brother character is fantastic. I really liked it all. I thought that the baby. The big baby. Xenomorph. The big baby is one of the best monsters of the series. Then we're 10 minutes on Alien. This is a great episode. I'm loving this.

[Bo]

Have you played Alien Isolation?

[Colin]

Yes. I'm about to replay it. I have to replay.

[Bo]

Yeah, you do, totally.

[Colin]

Because that. Dude. That's another thing. This is. I've been reading so much Alien stuff.

[Bo]

Okay.

[Colin]

That we got to do the Alien band. It's on for Aliens. Sigourney at the premiere saw that they cut a scene where Dr. Burke explains to her that her daughter passed away.

[Bo]

From cancer in her 70s because she was in cryo.

[Colin]

Because she was gone.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin]

So we find out not only that she had this daughter, but she lived a very long life and died.

[Bo]

Yes.

[Colin]

And that's why she clings to Newt like that. And is this motherly figure to her right away, alien? And then so she's pissed. So that's why every special edition deluxe edition after director's cut and stuff has that scene in it. Because Sigourney at the premiere was like, are you fucking insane? Why would you cut this? This is the whole motivation for this whole arc with Newt. Alien isolation is you're her daughter in the game. And that's.

[Bo]

Right.

[Colin]

Really cool.

[Bo]

And then there's the bonus where you can. You're on the Nostromo.

[Colin]

Yes.

[Bo]

That.

[Colin]

It's like 20 minutes. But it's awesome.

[Bo]

But it's awesome, dude.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Bo]

Yeah. All right, next.

[Colin]

Good question. Run the Jewels asked, who are your favorite wrestlers right now? You can say Brody King. It's obviously Brody King.

[Bo]

Brody King is, like, not even de facto our favorite. He just is the best wrestler.

[Colin]

He's earned it.

[Bo]

He's earned it. It just.

[Colin]

He's the coolest guy. If I heard of Brody King when I was a teen, yes, I would like wrestling.

[Bo]

Yes, I would.

[Colin]

I would be like, holy shit. A guy is there for me. Brody Bandido, as a. As a teammate, for him is the perfect. Bandido's goated.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin]

He was on all. He was the best part of all in which was the inception of aew. So he's been there in spirit the whole time. It's. It's unbelievable. As far as. I mean, I'm a Toni Storm head. I'm a Mercedes Monet head. I'm a big Willow Nightingale head.

[Bo]

Big Jamie Haterhead.

[Colin]

I want Big Jamie Haterhead. Big haters over here.

[Bo]

Yeah, I love. I'm digging. Darby's whole thing is insane right now. And it's really fun to watch Mr. Everest. It's crazy sick. So I'm really enjoying him. As far as. How about wwe? You got anybody who you. You enjoy?

[Colin]

No watch. Other than. Other than our. Our good friend Mr. Punk. The goat. The forever Goat.

[Bo]

Yeah, Punk and yeah, Punk.

[Colin]

Punk is forever.

[Bo]

Good stuff. I think is. Yeah. Oh, Bron Breaker. He rocks. Nothing.

[Colin]

No, I got nothing. I'm a punk guy.

[Bo]

Yeah, I'm a punk guy.

[Colin]

Is there any particular show slash tour package you remember having to miss because of a show of your own? Great question.

[Bo]

Oh, wow.

[Colin]

I feel this is. There's. Okay, so this is actually. This is kind of out left field. I missed the Longmont Potion Castle movie. Q and A thing. Longmont Potion Castle for our listeners.

[Bo]

Yeah, nobody is.

[Colin]

Is a like journeyman prank caller. He's like one of the greatest, most prolific prank callers in history as many multiple albums. This is feel good music. The Longmont discography. If you want to laugh and feel good, you throw on some Longmont. This is probably the most played thing in the history of any of our vans on tour. Longmont.

[Bo]

You exposed us too.

[Colin]

Yes, we have assimilated twitching exposed harm's.

[Bo]

Way to it into the Longmont.

[Colin]

But Taylor, Brody, King and Wildcat all went to the Longmont Potion Castle event. And at this event I was sick as a dog. I couldn't go in the event they he wasn't there. But he was because he's anonymous. Nobody knows who he is. But he was taking calls. He was like, okay, who do you. Who do you guys want Longmont to call? And Brody King burls up to the front, pushes his way, scratches and claws, gives them my number and he called me.

[Bo]

That is. I have fucking awesome.

[Colin]

I have the call. I don't know that it's too long to put on here, but I'll send it to you.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin]

If you want it. It's in the description below.

[Bo]

For those anybody who's curious, just look up Longmont Potion Castle. Clown Motel.

[Colin]

Clown Motel is a great starter that's.

[Bo]

The starter, and that'll just get you home.

[Colin]

And he's like a metal guy who, like some of the pranks is just him ripping dive bombs while people are like, hello. It's unbelievable.

[Bo]

I had to miss Bjork the last time she played Chicago because we were in Europe. It was like 2010. It was the first time we went to Europe. So I had to choose between going to Europe for the first time with my band and seeing Bjork. Obviously, I'm going to go to Europe, but I'm thinking to myself, she'll be back. Come on.

[Colin]

That's devastating. I'm very sorry.

[Bo]

It's okay.

[Colin]

I'll get you guys. We got to go to Iceland.

[Bo]

We got to go to Iceland.

[Colin]

For both. Do you have any inaugural Halloween traditions slash activities that you do to get into the spirit each year? When does Halloween officially begin your lives? September 1st. Yeah, a few days ago.

[Bo]

Truly, I'm fully ready for all. All things season. Yep.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Bo]

Oh, nice. I always watch Halloween on Halloween. That is like an actual thing where it's like, sit down.

[Colin]

Like.

[Bo]

Yeah, dude.

[Colin]

You know what's so funny is how this is not the same thing, but speaking of music. The Exorcist.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin]

The song is so scary. Until the sexiest bass you've ever heard.

[Bo]

Oh, dude. Dude.

[Colin]

The song is horrifying. And then the guy comes in, like, gorgeous.

[Bo]

Interesting.

[Colin]

The club just. It's so sexy. So you watch Halloween on Halloween?

[Bo]

I watch Halloween on Halloween if I'm able. I'm going to be in Japan. Worst places on Halloween. Yeah. Yeah, I'm going to be there.

[Colin]

I mean, that seems pretty cool.

[Bo]

Worst places to be.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Bo]

But if I. If I can. I'm also. I'm a big. I think carving a pumpkin, carving a jack o. Lantern is like, a tradition. I won't. I refuse to let go.

[Colin]

Oh, man. I've missed it, like, three years in a row, and it's killing.

[Bo]

It's sucking me dry. Very important to me. I think I'm gonna do it this year. Yeah, it's important. I think you should. What? You do an awesome thing. You have your calendar of movies.

[Colin]

Oh, yeah. I haven't. I haven't done that this year yet. But normally I make an actual calendar for my wife and I of, like, the show. Like. Like a movie theater of, like, here's. Here's the day. Here's what movies we're watching. We'll do, like, group screening. Like. Like fun family stuff, you know, earnest into hocus pocus or some shit.

[Bo]

Sure.

[Colin]

You know. But yeah, I like to just have, like, a big list of stuff to go off immediately.

[Bo]

Yeah. A couple years ago, we watched. We watched the thing. We watched Werewolf in London. American Werewolf in London. And what's the. The Vince Vaughn killer movie.

[Colin]

Freaky.

[Bo]

Freaky. We watched Banger. It was awesome.

[Colin]

Great movie.

[Bo]

But I loved. I love traditions like that. It's also kind of the start of traditions because it's like, you know, I'm sure for you. You have your birthday soon.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Bo]

Then it's Halloween, then it's my birthday, and then it's Christmas, and then it's New Year. So it's like the start of all that stuff.

[Colin]

Yeah, it's the. The good time of the year has just begun.

[Bo]

Just started.

[Colin]

January 1st to August 30th. 30th.

[Bo]

Kill me.

[Colin]

Absolute dog shit. So. So. Welcome to the good shit, everybody.

[Bo]

This September 11th, you're in. Yeah.

[Colin]

Sorry. Oops. You're only. If you could pick one misfit song to listen to for the rest of your life, what would it be? One. Mine would be one song.

[Bo]

Hybrid Moments is the best song. That's. But sometimes, like Night of the Living Dead or Ghoul's Night out, those really give.

[Colin]

This is a ghoul's night Out.

[Bo]

Oh, I love the Pre. There's like this weird Pre. There's a. There's a bridge in the beginning of that song. Kind of where he goes, nah, hell is where you want to be. Feel the hell of you. And they never do that again.

[Colin]

It's incredible.

[Bo]

It's awesome.

[Colin]

Real music. Real music, dude. One song forever. It might be London Dungeon or.

[Bo]

What a track.

[Colin]

Maybe Astro Zombies. I'm a big Skulls guy, too.

[Bo]

Skulls is unbelievable. Did I ever tell you the story the first time I saw him do Legacy stuff? It was the one. It was a riot fest show at Congress. Where is Danzig? Youth of Today. No, it's Danzig. Marduk possessed. Youth of Today. That was the show. Yeah. And it was Johnny Kelly playing drums. Was Johnny Kelly playing Sam Hane and Misfit songs, which was crazy.

[Colin]

Awesome.

[Bo]

Show ended, House lights on, house music on. Everyone's leaving. I'm on the train going back home. I get a text from my friend who stuck around. He came back out and played skulls to, like, a hundred people.

[Colin]

Oh, my God.

[Bo]

Like, purposefully, like, you stuck around.

[Colin]

Jesus Christ. Glenn Keymer asked thoughts on the new Internal Bleeding single. I might be tripping, but the dual vocals remind me of God's hate. That's awesome. If so, because I Mean, we've been inspired by internal bleeding. Check out the song Alien Breed. It's unbelievable. Chris from Missing Link is in Internal Bleeding. Taylor mixed this song. So I think maybe that all plays a factor in it. That's. That's a great. I love to hear that.

[Bo]

I also think this song and record features the bow pedal.

[Colin]

So a lot of good stuff in there.

[Bo]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Colin]

Does Creed have a couple tracks?

[Bo]

Creed has more than a couple tracks.

[Colin]

Creed has no less than 10 absolute bangers.

[Bo]

Creed has what I like to say, a lot of tracks.

[Colin]

Many tracks. So there you go.

[Bo]

I think Creed legitimately has like. If you had to make a tight like 40 minute set list, you'd have no problems, probably. You know what I mean?

[Colin]

Andrew Tucker asks what are we listening to at the moment and what was the last hardcore show you guys went to that you weren't playing? I'm listening to a lot of turmoil at the moment.

[Bo]

Oh yeah, you have been, man.

[Colin]

So they're playing fya. I can't wait for that. Can't mosh. Because I'm not allowed to anymore because you've all ruined it. You've all taken it from me.

[Bo]

What?

[Colin]

The last. But skinhead I saw a couple weeks ago. Unbelievable. Like the day after we recorded that episode.

[Bo]

That's right. I have been listening to. You're not gonna like it. The new Deftones record. Easy Listen.

[Colin]

Is it good?

[Bo]

I really like. Yeah, it's good. It is good. Cool. I think it's their my favorite thing probably since the one after Diamond Eyes. Koi Whatever. I can never remember.

[Colin]

That's good.

[Bo]

I like it, dude. The new Sabrina Carpenter record.

[Colin]

Oh, you like it?

[Bo]

I do like it.

[Colin]

Okay. I like a couple songs.

[Bo]

I. I think front end I don't like as much. And then like the B side where it gets real disco y and fun. Yeah.

[Colin]

I like the third song.

[Bo]

Yeah, I think I do too.

[Colin]

He won't her or something anymore. That song is the chorus blew my ass off.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin]

So I. I think it's pretty cool.

[Bo]

I've been enjoying it. And then I think the last show I went to that I didn't play besides Oasis and like big shows I think was probably your son and Fury pre show. The Holy Blade show. I think so. Kind of a minute.

[Colin]

Yeah, it's been a while, but that's awesome. That was a great show.

[Bo]

That was a good show.

[Colin]

Dalton asked question for both of you. What has been the most impactful interaction you've had with a fan? There have definitely been some that have like brought Me close to tears, you know?

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin]

I would say post. Post hard lore. They've all been a little more special.

[Bo]

It's more personal, it's more direct.

[Colin]

It's always nice hearing people be like, hey, I had this horrible accident. I mean, not that part, but. And I watched this or listened to this and it got me through a really hard time.

[Bo]

Every.

[Colin]

Every single thing like that is like. I never forget that.

[Bo]

My favorite every single time is I listen to you guys every day when I'm at work.

[Colin]

Oh yeah.

[Bo]

Because nothing got me through my. My bullshit jobs, like just listening to conversation. I'm the same way. It helps me. And I would put on whatever podcast was. Now it's YouTube and now it's like just weird clips from other podcasts that I'll listen to while I'm doing. While I'm working out or doing whatever. But I totally like. I just. I can connect with that so much.

[Colin]

Like, damn, we are that for people. This thing that I interact with every.

[Bo]

Day, I need too. Like, I'm there. I'm there too. I need it as well.

[Colin]

Joe asks Best program to record guitar at home. I like Taylor Young STL Tone Hub pack and Logic Pro Easy.

[Bo]

Oh, that I do. So I use the same. I use the Tone Hub plugin. I use Ableton just. Cause I prefer Ableton's workflow better.

[Colin]

That's all I just got. I have Ableton. I haven't. I don't get it if.

[Bo]

If you're good at. Okay, so Ableton has two views when you hit tab, right? One is the, like kind of the clip view and the one is the timeline view. That's just like Logic. The clip view is nice because you can say you're programming drums and you could just do clip intro, fill verse, pre chorus chorus. And then you just drag those clips and you just have them. They're individual. So that workflow for my brain helps me a lot because I can go, I want to do this thing again. I know it's going to be in time verse and you just drag.

[Colin]

That is good. I definitely accidentally erased an entire MIDI track the other day for the first time ever in my whole life.

[Bo]

No undo.

[Colin]

No, no undo. I was too late.

[Bo]

How?

[Colin]

Because there's something with logic sometimes where you're like, if you're going to add drums to something that's already there, it starts like erasing what's in front of it.

[Bo]

I see. Yeah.

[Colin]

And I did it in a way where it erased everything behind it.

[Bo]

So.

[Colin]

So it was all gone. It really I was like five hours deep and finished the very last part. I was like, all right, I'm done. Let's listen. And I look and see just an empty MIDI screen.

[Bo]

Oh, my God.

[Colin]

I texted Taylor and I was like, do you have tomorrow free? Can I please just record some drums real quick?

[Bo]

Yeah. Cause you could do it so much faster.

[Colin]

Yes. And it was the one take done that was devastating. Pardon this interruption. This is so important, this interruption. We've got to talk to you about AG1.

[Bo]

We really do. We love AG1. We use it all the time. But they have exciting news.

[Colin]

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[Bo]

For free. You can make your fun little nighttime drink. I despise melatonin. I'm so excited that this is melatonin free. Won't give me the jimmy legs. Won't give you crazy nightmares, nothing. It's perfect.

[Colin]

Better rest is now possible thanks to the guys who have made better mornings possible for us for so long. And listen, chocolate milk is the ultimate bodybuilder's cheat code.

[Bo]

It's true.

[Colin]

Downing chocolate milk all day is what these guys are doing after pumping iron. And so now you get to do it with a thing that's gonna put you right to sleep. Doesn't that sound nice? Give it a shot right now. Drinkag1.com hard lore how important is a two legged hi hat for playing double bass? It's not. You can just unscrew the thing and go with the pedal so that the. The third leg is just the pedals right next to it. Don't worry about it. Two legged bands that won you over after seeing them live.

[Bo]

Twitchy tongues. I say it all the time. I say it all the time. Saw you guys play like second. This is hardcore. Sunday morning, 2012. I'll never forget it. I think I was standing with Saba and standing with God. Maybe James. And we just watched and you guys had a great reception. You killed it, it was a great set. And that was truly the thing because I had heard Sleep Therapy, I had heard the other stuff, but nothing. It didn't, it just didn't click. And that was, that was one for sure.

[Colin]

Code Orange New England metal hardcore fest 2013. Bands that won me over, I would say. I would say I maybe didn't love Freedom until I saw them live.

[Bo]

That makes sense.

[Colin]

And then I was number three. Freedom Guy, probably.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin]

Have you ever questioned being Straight Edge had times where it was difficult?

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin]

You have?

[Bo]

I've had times. Well, not that it was difficult per se, but I've definitely questioned, like, do I care about it the way that this huge group cares about it? Like, is it, is it going to prevent me from making friends or relationships or ban decisions or anything like that? Which some people will allow that to affect how they end. Like so. And I wouldn't. You know, there's, there's people who will not date someone who drinks or. Oh yeah, not if they're vegan or whatever. They'll not date someone who isn't vegan or something.

[Colin]

Sure, sure.

[Bo]

I, I don't personally, that, that is not for me.

[Colin]

I, I, Yeah, I've never thought of it that way. I've never had it as an obstacle. I don't think I care for the smell of any fiery substance.

[Bo]

Sure, that makes sense.

[Colin]

So that would be the factor of theirs. Like, I don't ever want to smell that or be around.

[Bo]

But you know what's interesting?

[Colin]

What?

[Bo]

You ever go past Taylor and I just did this the other night. We just took a long walk. Walk late at night we walked past a bar and it smelled like a venue. You know, the venue has that like, they mopped up the night before the doors were closed. We just opened all the doors and there's just that smell. And because of our experience, I don't associate with a Bari associate. That's just nostalgia, being on tour and fun in shows. And that smell is a very pleasant smell. And it's really.

[Colin]

Yeah, that's very interesting.

[Bo]

It's really difficult to describe.

[Colin]

Yeah, I'm not mad at that. I get that. What historical forms of torture execution should be used against bands that use AI art for their album covers or merchandise. Flog Molly Dropkick Murphy. Need I go on the Iron Maiden.

[Bo]

Listen, Megadeth. There is a part of me that thinks if somebody wants to use AI to write an element of whatever they're doing, I. Personally, I don't give a. I, I wouldn't do it. Probably wouldn't listen to it, but I don't care.

[Colin]

Like, musically.

[Bo]

Yeah. Yeah. I don't. If that. If you need that. I'm. I think it'll show and I don't care.

[Colin]

I hope. If somebody told me, like, I wrote my band's new album with AI, I would laugh and say, you're a loser.

[Bo]

Yeah, I. I don't disagree with that, but I don't. I don't think that I, like, I don't care. It's like, oh. Huh.

[Colin]

That's your journey, man.

[Bo]

Yeah. You know, that is kind of the way I. I feel now. But that's different to me than that. Generative AI, that's their project. They're using this thing as opposed to. I created this AI image and. Or I created a movie or a trailer using. Taking jobs away or taking stuff away from something is different to me than. Like, I utilized this thing to come up with a baseline that I couldn't put together. Okay. I guess I. I can just see a little nuance there. And would I use it? No, absolutely not.

[Colin]

I suppose. I think it's just. I mean, it's. It's cheating. It's like you're not create. You're not creative. If you're. If you need that now, you don't. You don't have. You don't. You shouldn't get the privilege of being applauded for your creativity for something you didn't do.

[Bo]

Let me ask you something. Let me. I'm gonna play devil's advocate.

[Colin]

Hit me with it. Advocate for him.

[Bo]

You ever use the thesaurus?

[Colin]

Yeah, of course I used that. I looked that up.

[Bo]

Yeah, but I guess you weren't that great.

[Colin]

And that's. And that's.

[Bo]

You weren't creating.

[Colin]

I know what. I know what word I want to use, but it doesn't rhyme with the one I did before. So let me. Let me just figure out this. A similar meaning. That rhyme you ever heard of.

[Bo]

You ever heard of a rhyming thesaurus?

[Colin]

I guess I've never used one.

[Bo]

Right. But what I'm saying is I don't.

[Colin]

Think looking up the meaning of a word is the same thing as I don't know how to write a bass line, and I don't know how to write a riff or I don't know what to write for lyrics here.

[Bo]

Not the same, however, not all from one source. That's all I'm saying.

[Colin]

But the intention and the meaning is from that source.

[Bo]

The intention and the meaning of missing a bass line and needing one is also the same.

[Colin]

But you don't know how to do it.

[Bo]

Yeah, but I don't know how to play drums. I could still think of a. Of a drum fill. You know what I mean? Yeah.

[Colin]

That's not the same.

[Bo]

Why?

[Colin]

I think. I think if you're generating drums, you. You know how to. You know what you want, you know?

[Bo]

Yeah, but. But that might mean me programming something that isn't humanly possible. Also, like the. The trope of guitar.

[Colin]

That's industrial music, though. That's fine.

[Bo]

That's the tail.

[Colin]

I think there's a. And this is the difference between, like, programming music versus being like, generate me a bass line in this key.

[Bo]

Yes.

[Colin]

That's. You're a hack. That's hack.

[Bo]

It is different. I can just see in 50 years, that line blurring.

[Colin]

It's already blurred.

[Bo]

Yeah. Right.

[Colin]

I believe it's that we're already there. You know, I think if you're using AI for creating your comedy, sure. Maybe it's all right.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin]

If the intention is. I don't want to make money off of this. I think it's funny. Sometimes I'll. Sometimes I will laugh and listen.

[Bo]

Full transparency. There's. There are times where we have utilized AI to find moments in episodes as opposed to scrolling.

[Colin]

That is actually the craziest thing.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin]

Because that was like, how do we possibly do. Like, somebody will pass away or something will happen, and then we search one time, like, twice. I think of, like, where in what Hard Lore episode does this come up? And we found.

[Bo]

And we found it, and it's like, that's crazy. That makes a lot more sense than scrolling for hours and hours and hours.

[Colin]

That's actual proper use of artificial intelligence, I think. So we're not. We're not. Like, that's saving our own time and not taking somebody's job or using somebody's art.

[Bo]

Right, right.

[Colin]

Improperly.

[Bo]

Exactly.

[Colin]

Overall, AI. Bad Skynet, bad Cyber9.

[Bo]

Bad Skynet. Very bad.

[Colin]

What's the funniest thing you've seen happen in a crowd while performing on stage at a Show at Hellfest 2015 while twitching tongues is playing. I can't focus on anything else because there's a man in a shirt right in front of me that says, we hate boobies, we hate pussy. Women suck, women's suck, or women sucks, sucks. And I'm so. I'm just like, what is this? For one. Where did you find it? Why did you wear it? Why are you here? Who are you? Oh, my God, you're so French. What's what? And I search for this thing, I can never find it. Which makes me think the shirt was homemade.

[Bo]

He made it. Wow. You said it. So it's just going to come to mind. We played Hellfest last year. There was a guy out in the crowd, very similar. Same stage. You know what I mean? Guy out in the crowd with a flag that is just a full color, close up, high definition picture, full size flag of an asshole. Of like a hairy asshole. Okay, that's it. That's the flag. And he's like, this is in France for anyone wondering. And Nick, during a part, says, he grabs the mic and he goes, let's go, you. But he's like, one, one. He's staring right at the flag. And then he looks at all of us and just goes, it broke all of us. That was it.

[Colin]

Weird place, man.

[Bo]

Yeah, man. I. I'm trying to think. There was a. I've talked about this, and I think. I think I talked about this recently. There was a guy who got on stage in St. Louis. Did I talk about this recently? I did.

[Colin]

I don't know.

[Bo]

A guy got on stage in St. Louis and on the Post Human tour and was just in front of James just like. Just for like, for like a minute.

[Colin]

Fuck you.

[Bo]

And then his friend got him and just took him off stage. And I have a picture here it is of the guy and then of me and James just laughing at each other because it was so ridiculous. And I. I think. And. And correct if I'm wrong. I'm sorry. I think that guy actually passed away recently. I found out. So obviously that's really sad. Rest in peace to him. And. And we found out he wasn't being aggressive. He was just. He was a huge fan. Huge Harm's Way fan. So he was just on stage just like. Yeah. And we, you know, it was the funny thing.

[Colin]

I mean, that's an insane thing to do. But in retrospect, respect.

[Bo]

Yeah, absolutely, yes.

[Colin]

Retrospective, respect. Rest in peace to the homie. You've been doing this for a couple years now. What motivates you to continue with the podcast every week? Has your motivation changed over time?

[Bo]

Definitely has changed over time, I would say.

[Colin]

Yeah. I mean, this is our. This is us now, you know?

[Bo]

Yeah. We. We love this thing. We care about this thing. And every. I'll tell you what a big motivator is for me, which you guys are about to see, is when we get to do stuff like the Davey interview. We get to do stuff like the day around Louisville with Brian. When we get to the speed Stuff like all the, the opportunity things that we get. That is what make me like and have for quite a while. That's what gets me like, fuck, yeah. This is awesome.

[Colin]

Very well said. I still think of this as a small thing that we're recording for our friends to hear. You know, it's. And the second that I start to think otherwise, things like the Davey interview is when I freak out internally and I'm like, oh no, people are actually gonna hear this one. And then I look back and see that people, you know, 200,000 people on Spotify watched the Todd one, you know.

[Bo]

Yes, yes, exactly.

[Colin]

And it's like, oh, fuck, if I had thought about that in the moment, I would have been scared.

[Bo]

Totally.

[Colin]

And this is. I think this is week 180 or something. That's 180 consecutive weeks.

[Bo]

I think we've missed one. I think we've missed one.

[Colin]

Yeah, we missed one week. But then we've done two things in a week several times.

[Bo]

Totally. 100%. Yeah.

[Colin]

So we've. We've done that times over where we're. We. We bear the responsibility of sharing somebody's life story every single week for. For almost four years now. And that, that weighs on you.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin]

And Stephen has been unbelievable. Stephen, I know you're listening because you're editing this right now, but like, God damn, you've changed the game, Steven.

[Bo]

We were at a breaking point.

[Colin]

The point was I was broke.

[Bo]

Yeah. Colin could not bear anymore because along with doing a lot of the coordinating and outreach that he was already doing, Colin was also editing this. We would get done. I'd go out to the gym or go eat or play video games, whatever. And Colin would get straight to work. There wasn't a lot of room for me to help with that specific thing.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Bo]

And this. Cause as you guys, I don't mind talking about this. I hope you don't either. It causes a bit of friction because it's like, well, if we're both doing this, why are. You know.

[Colin]

And there's some. There's like so years. Things you can't delegate in that situation.

[Bo]

Of course, of course. Especially because as you guys know, hard lore clips and everything. There's a style. The style is very much Collins vision. You don't want to change that because it is working. There's input and there's like, there's references and stuff for sure. But there is a certain aspect of like, no, this is a style that we're cultivating. And then this angel comes along.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Bo]

197 wings on him, you know, straight up.

[Colin]

So. Thank you, Stephen. You're the best. We hope you stick around forever. Motivation is just uplifting. This beautiful thing that we're part of, we love. It's always gonna be about hardcore at the end. No matter if we. No matter who we get on here.

[Bo]

Yeah, that.

[Colin]

We're hardcore guys. No matter what we're doing, no matter what fucking tour we're on, no matter what movie we're in, we're hardcore guys.

[Bo]

That is. That is the point.

[Colin]

Favorite fret for pinch harmonics, and favorite fret for natural harmonics.

[Bo]

The fourth fret on any given string is the easiest fret for me to pitch on the low.

[Colin]

I would say four on the A.

[Bo]

Is four on the A. And, dude, for on the G was the first one I learned. That was the first spot where I was like, oh, you know, three on the lowest string. Especially if you're in a drop, if you play no more tears. That feels really good.

[Colin]

Natural harmonic. I would say five on the E, but, like, what is it? Like eight or nine on the high?

[Bo]

Seven. It's. It's. It's fives and sevens all the way up for naturals.

[Colin]

Okay.

[Bo]

And then 12.

[Colin]

Okay. So it'd be seven that I like on the. On the high. The high.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin]

Great question.

[Bo]

Great question. Love a fret question.

[Colin]

How often do you allow yourself to sit back and go, holy, this is really happening? I would. Somebody described. So we announced the Davey episode a few weeks ago. Somebody announced it as a hard lore pay per view.

[Bo]

That's a great. And.

[Colin]

And that is if that was. You know, there's. There's our. Our amazing regular weekly episodes. And then every now and then, we get these white whales.

[Bo]

Premium live events, and that is it.

[Colin]

That's a paper. That's a. That's a premium live event.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin]

So. So when we do. When we get those, we finish up and we're just like, oh, this. That was real. That was so good. And then it's out there and it's. And you feel that again.

[Bo]

My favorite thing about it, too. And this is kind of related, but not really. But I. I like that our. You. You're. My biggest goal is to just make whoever comfortable. We're. We are so not in the gotcha business. No, that. I love that. And. And so that's why when we get that opportunity, I'm always so confident going into those things. Like, we're gonna kill this. Cause we're good at this. We're good at being normal.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Bo]

So I just like, the second we ra actually know it's the second we say goodbye. Like the second Davey left, we were like, holy shit.

[Colin]

Oh, it was unbelievable. That was when he said, I've never been asked this before. Multiple times.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin]

And said publications like this didn't exist when we were doing this record. So I haven't ever talked about this record in this capacity. Just a little preview for you. That felt good.

[Bo]

That felt good.

[Colin]

First question each of you are asking Glenn Danzig when you inevitably get him on the show.

[Bo]

What is wrong with you?

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Bo]

How, how, how?

[Colin]

Yeah, I think was the snare in the room when you recorded vocals for Danzig 3.

[Bo]

I think I would legit ask him where he puts himself on, on the Mount Rushmore, where he, where he thinks of his impact. I, I and I would give him that opportunity to be like, best band in the world, you know, whatever. Like, I want to hear it. I, I would just say, where do you.

[Colin]

George Washington, man.

[Bo]

Yeah, that's, that's what I want, you know.

[Colin]

Great. That's good. Zach Honeycutt asks, what bands do you think have most successfully introduced a new vocalist? Cannibal Corpse.

[Bo]

That's a crazy one, huh?

[Colin]

Insane. Honestly, to. To some extent, the Misfits kind of iron. They did it.

[Bo]

Iron Maiden for sure.

[Colin]

Iron Maiden for sure. I love the Anthrax. John Bush.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin]

Songs.

[Bo]

Dio Dio. Sabbath.

[Colin]

Come on, that's got to be number one.

[Bo]

Come on, Sho.

[Colin]

You just quote. Yeah, that's fucking Sins of the Father. That's awesome. Yeah. It's got to be the O.DS7.

[Bo]

I think. So. It's already. What's like. Like you can't. You can kind of conquer on that, like, best wishes, kind of. It's Harley, you know, like kinda. It's pretty cool. Marauder.

[Colin]

Yeah. I mean, God damn. Yeah. This is a great question. Remington asks, how do you recharge when you aren't feeling creative?

[Bo]

Something I've been asking myself for the last like eight years.

[Colin]

I buy gear.

[Bo]

It's the Omnicord.

[Colin]

I get gas baby. Gear acquisition syndrome. I hit up Tad. I said, tad, what do you got for me? I get a new thing. It comes play the fuck out of it. And I go, that's actually pretty cool. And then I record it. And then it sits in a logic file for two years.

[Bo]

Fascinating. It is a very, is a very real thing that a new guitar. A lot of times you'll pick up a guitar and the first thing you play is some new thing. That's a very. That is a Very real thing. Same thing with guitar pedals. That'll happen. You'll look at the layout, you know, of a pedal and you'll.

[Colin]

It's because you're actually playing. You realize like, oh, if I just play this a lot, I'll write a lot.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin]

And then you don't. So you the. What is there to write? Yeah, yeah. So recharge. I buy stuff interesting.

[Bo]

That's the best for, for me. I, I watch or I watch or I'll. I'll indulge in other media if I'm really trying to figure something out creatively, which is, is seldom for me, honestly. But if I'm really trying to push through an idea, I will watch a movie, if it's a song or I'll listen to a ton of music, if I'm working on the other podcast or whatever, like something else. You've kind of explained this too where.

[Colin]

I do think that when you're writing music you tend to shut yourself out from music.

[Bo]

Yeah, yeah.

[Colin]

And that's the worst thing you can do. You need to open up your mind for inspiration more than ever. Look for it in everything.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin]

And then it'll come. What advice would you give a teenager interested in guitar gear that is reasonably priced and good for gigging? Get a little Squire.

[Bo]

You really can't go wrong with a squire.

[Colin]

Get a little Squire, man.

[Bo]

It depends on budget. So let's go sub a thousand for everything. Sub 2000 for everything. Cuz that, that's kind of the biggest difference. So yeah, guitar. Get an epone, get a Squire. I would recommend a, a, A humbucker. So you don't have that. The single pickup in a Squire is. You're going to get real, just real. A lot of noise as far as an amp goes.

[Colin]

You can get a Quilter.

[Bo]

You can get a solid state right now.

[Colin]

Yeah. And that, that'll do you just fine. You can use that anywhere.

[Bo]

Yeah, that's a.

[Colin]

You don't need to own a cab, you know.

[Bo]

Yeah, you don't need to own a cap. That's very true. And if, and if you do, you don't have to own a 4x12. Yeah, you can get a 2 by 12. You can get other ones when you move up. I would say for guitar, look into ESP Ltd, EC1000 workhorse standard. You've seen them a million times. A lot of people use them. And then. Dude, you want to know a kick ass amp, you could start out with that. Like CME has one right now for 850. Let me hear 5150 combo. It's 212. 5150 combo amp. 212.

[Colin]

That's incredible.

[Bo]

Yeah, it's got.

[Colin]

If you're just sitting at home writing and.

[Bo]

And ripping and it's also. If you're playing. If you're playing a basement gig, that thing is 120 watts. You're fine. And if you're playing something that's Mike's, you're going to have a mic's amp. It doesn't matter. Great.

[Colin]

Great answer.

[Bo]

Thank you.

[Colin]

Hit up your sweetwater rub today. Has training in the gym affected? Who do you do? Who you do on stage? 100%.

[Bo]

You think so?

[Colin]

100%. I just think like I legit believe that audiences are super. As superficial as we are.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin]

I think if I was a buff shirtless guy on disharmony, the record would have done better, you know, If I wasn't.

[Bo]

Does that fuck with you?

[Colin]

A little. I mean, but it's like I accept that and I may be the same, you know.

[Bo]

Sure.

[Colin]

I see a jacked guy, I'm like, what's he. What's he talking about? It happens. You. You got. If you don't take care of yourself enough, there's going to be something. Somebody's going to be turned. Somebody somewhere will be turned off, you.

[Bo]

Know, and there's for sure the inverse where somebody flips a record over, sees a jacked guy and it's like.

[Colin]

And they're like, fuck this.

[Bo]

Yeah, for sure, for sure. But for the style of music you're playing. Yeah, I see. I. You will not see me jumping anymore. Those days are just done. I can't fix my back no matter how.

[Colin]

You were the jumping guy.

[Bo]

I know. It's just over. I just can't do it. I cannot do it. It hurts so bad. So that has changed, but now it's worsened. Yeah, definitely. I'm definitely feel less entertaining, you know, which is a bummer. So now it's a lot more kind of do the Taylor. The Taylor Young. I'll just kind of find an area, not necessarily a person because I don't want to be a total freak.

[Colin]

Yeah. But I'll just find your area or a farming now.

[Bo]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It sucks. It's a bummer.

[Colin]

But dude. But then you. But then people go down. I guess that guy who's staring at me is fucking Jack.

[Bo]

Yeah. Yeah. Hopefully that's the case. I'm almost.

[Colin]

It's a nice cheat code. It's like having long hair.

[Bo]

You're Absolutely right. Yeah. It's got to be one or the other. You're either jumping long hair or you're ripped. Is anybody all three things. Does Mongrel man jump around?

[Colin]

Yeah. He's unbelievable. He's a. He's a true natural, natural athlete. He's incredible. Favorite Riley Gale story. Unfortunately never got to meet him, but he's a huge inspiration. I love the story of his fake birthright trip. He went to Israel. He's a massive anti Zionist guy through and through to the end.

[Bo]

Yep.

[Colin]

Went just to as a you to see how shitty it was. And he was correct. My other thing that comes to mind immediately whenever we talk about him is him coming to our Chicago show.

[Bo]

Oh, yeah.

[Colin]

For. Just because he was in town and loading in and out.

[Bo]

Yeah, yeah, I remember that.

[Colin]

We were like, dude, what are you doing?

[Bo]

What are you doing?

[Colin]

He's just carrying gear all night helping everybody.

[Bo]

We did. I think it was 2017. It was one of the life and deaths. Power Trip was on it with Harm's Way and Power Trip was in a sprinter. And they would set up Nick's Bar and Grill every night. Nick's Bar and Grill was just their van with the door open. There was probably beer, but no food. And along the tour they would, let's say, acquire items to adorn the. The Bar and Grill. All Riley. Riley would be grabbing stuff. Nick would too, but mostly Riley. I have a picture. Here it is. Dave Wood was the bouncer on this tour. We had the. We had a. A rug. There were lights. There is an inflatable, like palm tree. There's the, like velvet rope and stanchon things. And then Dave Wood just standing outside bouncing. And that was Nick's Bar and Grill. I think there was a sign, if I'm not mistaken, that said Nick's Bar and Grill.

[Colin]

What a guy. Miss him?

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin]

Legend. Happiest moment of 2025 so far. I think locking eyes with Todd as we started off my chest.

[Bo]

That was a. A moment that was incredible. That was pretty amazing. Great. Good pick.

[Colin]

And then like just seeing like Todd and Taylor hugging as we're starting that song is just like, damn. This is legendary.

[Bo]

Sick.

[Colin]

That felt good.

[Bo]

I don't know. Things. Things have been. This has been a weird year for me. I don't know if I have one off the top of my head. That moment was really cool. That was probably the happiest I've been. I literally jumped up and down in joy, you know?

[Colin]

Beautiful.

[Bo]

It's probably that seeing Oasis was really cool too. Probably the Happiest thus far. Oh, no. You know what Jeopardy. Jeopardy. Going through without a real hitch. That. That was the amount of satisfaction and man I had after that was. That was real.

[Colin]

As you should. It was unblue.

[Bo]

Thank you. Thank you.

[Colin]

Truly. Your. Your masterpiece.

[Bo]

It was.

[Colin]

Somebody asked, what are the best two step parts. I feel like that's a whole episode.

[Bo]

You know what? That's a really good idea, right?

[Colin]

Wink. Big wink. In the Sean Martin episode, you talked about the pressure of playing live. That triplet riff and Proven.

[Bo]

Yes.

[Colin]

Do you have moments in those songs live in. In your songs live where you're like, okay, here goes nothing? Oh, yeah, you do.

[Bo]

I'm sure you got there a lot. You got the big blast. You got the big blast.

[Colin]

Stresses me out every time. My kid is not set up perfectly. It just ain't happening. Disharmony. The song chorus, that can be dog shit all the time. A lot. Most. Most high. Most choruses. You know, if I'm. Especially if I'm in like a barricade or something, everything is kind of here goes nothing. Holy blade. I have those.

[Bo]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Colin]

Those can go horribly Arai. So those are here goes nothing.

[Bo]

Yeah. In harm's way by the second show, I'm locked. On any given tour, you got nothing.

[Colin]

You got no concerns of, like, this part's hard.

[Bo]

No. Hard. No. The song Silent Wolf is very. It's triplets. Similar to Proven, Honestly, the whole. But it's like the whole song. We can't play that very early on the Kubla Khan tour. We opened with it a couple shows, and we were all like, can't do that. Like, it's. You're not warmed up enough to just rip that. Or.

[Colin]

Okay.

[Bo]

We didn't take enough time to warm up prior to. So as long as that song is kind of somewhere in the middle or near the end, it's totally fine. The only thing is, on this tour, we are playing a song off of Blinded. We haven't probably played in since it came out. That is just me.

[Colin]

Oh.

[Bo]

And that is. That's just a little like, okay, is everything set? Are we all good? Because, like, I either have to ring out and make sure we're waiting for something to get fixed. If something goes wrong, who knows? Have to make sure Chris is ready.

[Colin]

There's the click, which Lord knows he isn't.

[Bo]

You know, there's the click. There's. There's stuff to do. So that's. I. I'm. That is coming up. Or I'm currently on that tour. And if you're seeing it, you'll know the part. It's near the end. And that part is a little like. But. But not in a. I wrote the part so I know how to play it. You know. It's not like that. It's like, is everything going to go right?

[Colin]

What's an artist you're supposed to like or have tried to get into but couldn't crack it?

[Bo]

Oh, brother.

[Colin]

I mean, a lot of. A lot of classic rock. I really don't.

[Bo]

That's interesting. Who is the biggest classic rock band you don't give a shit about? Stones.

[Colin]

Yeah, I really don't give a fuck.

[Bo]

Don't give a fuck about the Stones.

[Colin]

I would say I actively dislike this.

[Bo]

Okay. That's pretty big. I would say.

[Colin]

Yeah. If it comes on, I. I hope that it gets turned off.

[Bo]

Wow.

[Colin]

You know.

[Bo]

Okay. That's a big one.

[Colin]

This does nothing.

[Bo]

Let's see.

[Colin]

Beatles. I'm any song. I'm all in all day now.

[Bo]

Ten years ago, my answer would have been the Beatles. Now it was the fucking. The. The COVID doc. It got me.

[Colin]

It's unbelievable.

[Bo]

It is unbelievable. And it's because it got me from a musician in the studio angle, which is not one I had ever experienced with the Beatles. Right. You just grew up always hearing these package songs that were perfect. No, I liked watching them work it out in the studio. There's a lot of. Kind of. Kind of similar to you, honestly, Colin. Where it's like Boston, I think sucks. Like that's just a band. I don't.

[Colin]

What's Boston's big hit? Yeah, I don't care.

[Bo]

They have a few. Peace of mind. They have others, you know, they have other songs.

[Colin]

What band deserves a pinball machine?

[Bo]

You ever played the Metallica pinball machine?

[Colin]

It's on blue.

[Bo]

It's awesome. It's so Iron Man.

[Colin]

Pinball is my favorite machine.

[Bo]

That's a great. Mine is Adam's family, but they're kind of similar.

[Colin]

Dude, I just. Dude. Switching songs with the paddles before you start.

[Bo]

That's really cool.

[Colin]

I'm always the trooper. Come on or run to the hills.

[Bo]

Okay. Acceptable.

[Colin]

Dude. All the features are so. That's so good. It's such. I play it all the time at Ace Gogi in Van Nuys, which you should absolutely go visit. It's unbelievable. Great deal, great food, Great pinball.

[Bo]

The T2 game with the gun is fantastic. But what band, dude, what if Terror had a pinball machine?

[Colin]

Oh, man, that'd be awesome.

[Bo]

Be fucking awesome. All the eras that would Be sick. Stage dives is just a ton of.

[Colin]

Balls falling at the same, like, underdog, multi ball or something. Overcome multi ball. Shoot the. Shoot the Jordan for bonus. And every time you hit him, he's like, what?

[Bo]

What?

[Colin]

Why are you hitting me? Pretty good.

[Bo]

That's good.

[Colin]

Mount Rushmore of Mouth imitation riffs, like, you know.

[Bo]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Colin]

I basically just did Judgment Day now. Smasher, Enemies.

[Bo]

That's what I thought you were doing. I don't even know how to really quantify it. The. The breakdown riff. The bridge to angel of Death. Because you can't hum it. Because you can't. You did it pretty good, I'm not gonna lie. But.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Bo]

Yeah, but that's a funny one because, like, you don't know what's going on like most people.

[Colin]

Yeah, I agree. That's a good one.

[Bo]

That's a great riff. What a weird riff.

[Colin]

Yeah, one of the. But like, top five. I guess not because we didn't put it in there. But was it in there?

[Bo]

Angel of Death? I don't think so. I think it was Raining Blood was.

[Colin]

I mean. Yeah, that's the best riff. Yeah, that wasn't.

[Bo]

Yeah, because that's just a breakdown.

[Colin]

Favorite non hardcore releases of this year or all time? Not. Not doing all time. Getting out of here. Of this year. There's a. There's a Josiah Daniel record coming out. Oh, that's going to dominate the charts for me this year.

[Bo]

He sent me demos years ago, like after our FYI interview.

[Colin]

It's insane.

[Bo]

And then I messaged him about him later on. I was like, what's going on? And he's like, oh, I hated them. I deleted it.

[Colin]

I'm sure that those are what's on the record and they've been polished. But yeah, the songs are unreal. Jade. That's showbiz, baby. Debut album. I'm obsessed. Surely going to top my Spotify rap. That might be a little bit embarrassing, but I'm not embarrassed because I don't care.

[Bo]

Post Animal All Day. That record's fantastic.

[Colin]

That'll be number two on my Spotify rap, surely.

[Bo]

Like I said, the new Deftones I've been listening to a lot. The new Sabrina Carpenter. What came out earlier in the year. Colin, you're much better.

[Colin]

Tell you the year ever. I mean, this. This show.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin]

Hard Lore makes my life. Groundhog Day time does not exist. Every week is the same.

[Bo]

That's why you need to tour a little bit. Break it up.

[Colin]

I do.

[Bo]

It helps.

[Colin]

I can't.

[Bo]

Did. Oh, I think. Did the Blood incantation record come out this year? Or was that last year?

[Colin]

I think that was last.

[Bo]

That was last year. I think you're right.

[Colin]

Great record.

[Bo]

Great record.

[Colin]

Personal Top 5 Fortnite items, guns from any season. I'll do this season top. I'm not doing a top five. The Wrecker revolver this season I think is the greatest Fortnite gun in history.

[Bo]

Why?

[Colin]

It's a revolver with shotgun ammo with insane range.

[Bo]

Now that seems unfair.

[Colin]

It's. It's cracked, dude.

[Bo]

That's not how a shotgun round works at all.

[Colin]

It's unreal. That's the best Fortnite gun in history to me. Thoughts on Matcha? I think it's an epidemic, not unlike crack.

[Bo]

Thank you.

[Colin]

Ruining my community, terrorizing the streets. It's got to stop. You've all got to take a look in the mirror, wipe the green off your lips and seek help. You're making the lines infinitely longer at our. And punishing our poor baristas.

[Bo]

How much caffeine is in one serving of matcha? 70mg of caffeine.

[Colin]

That's nothing.

[Bo]

There's nothing in there. There's nothing in it.

[Colin]

What's. It just tastes. They like the taste.

[Bo]

I don't get it much. I. I have had matcha lattes with other stuff mixed in it that I think, oh, this is tasty.

[Colin]

Okay, I'll have a matcha treat in Japan. Because I'm in Japan.

[Bo]

Yeah, that's.

[Colin]

And I wanna. I'm enjoying the, the, you know, the, the splint. The local splendor. Sure. But in. I mean, I'm at home. They're lining up down the block for a matcha latte.

[Bo]

Did we. We got so fucked the other day without, without naming the place. Explain what happened to us?

[Colin]

No, I'm naming the place. It's called Links in Studio City. I'm. I'm a big fan of this place. I think the Colbert is the best one in the Valley.

[Bo]

He is a big fan.

[Colin]

But they're on my fucking shit list right now, dude. This. I'm not waiting in a 30 minute. Waiting in a 30 minute line for a cup of coffee should be a crime to begin with. It shouldn't happen. And I don't want to be the like regular white podcast guy who's got no problems other than his coffee being inconvenienced. I understand, of course this is, this is meaningless at the end of the day, of course, but waiting in a long ass line and getting to the front to realize that there's no cold brew. And that we only waited in line because there was 30 matcha lattes ahead of us.

[Bo]

Because that's the only other thing there was.

[Colin]

Because it's just something must be done every. Listen.

[Bo]

We waited so long.

[Colin]

Look right here.

[Bo]

It all said sold out America World.

[Colin]

If you're a coffee shop dedicated line for cold brew, implement this, you will make more money. You will save time. You will be able to hire another person just to make cold brew and put it together. It's kind of simple drinks, separate line.

[Bo]

It's kind of like when people say, anybody pay with card? I could take card here. That's your cold brew line.

[Colin]

You know, just it. Make it self checkout, you know.

[Bo]

Yeah. What are you gonna do?

[Colin]

Yeah, I hear. Let me scan this and pick up my cobra. You know, make it one separate thing. If you want something crazy that's gonna take eight minutes for the one person making 50 drinks go there. I get it. I get that this is meaningless, but matcha is. It is crack and it's. It's terrorizing the streets and it must be stopped. What's the worst piece of merch your band has made?

[Bo]

Well, this. We've talked about this. On the acacia strain tour, 2011, harm's way made warriors still rain shirts big. Because at the time, big graphic words, big text was very popular.

[Colin]

And that is. That's cool.

[Bo]

Yeah. And that's ours.

[Colin]

We're still. Rain sounds cool.

[Bo]

At the time it would be like you or whatever, you know, it would be like some gratuitous thing. We were never going to do that. So warriors still reign. And then in one of the letters, it said Harm's Way in our logo. It was very. But it was like a red shirt with yellow ink, gray shirt with blue ink. Like it was. It was a mess. We. I think some of those are still in our practice space today. So I would say that was. That was our worst.

[Colin]

Give me one.

[Bo]

You want.

[Colin]

The worst switching tongue shirt ever is obviously the Angry Birds shirt, which. The front is a. A rip off of the misfits. Die, Die, my darling. Illustration.

[Bo]

Yep.

[Colin]

For no reason.

[Bo]

Yep.

[Colin]

The back is a big rosary with our logo and it says eyes adjust in the Angry Birds font.

[Bo]

Straight up Angry Birds font and straight.

[Colin]

Up one to one Angry Birds.

[Bo]

And do you know my mom's story about that shirt?

[Colin]

No.

[Bo]

I'm almost positive I mentioned this before, but it's so good. We will. We will back. Leo played bass for us on a.

[Colin]

Tour while we were recording Disharmony.

[Bo]

Correct. My mom Lived in Dallas. We stayed with my mom. I introduced my mom to. To Leo. He played guitar. I can't remember. I think he played bass. He played bass. Introduced my mom to Leo. And she goes, hey, Leo, so good to meet you. Thanks again for that shirt. And he said, no problem. I said, what shirt? And she goes, he sold me this twitching tongue shirt on ebay. It was that shirt.

[Colin]

Wendy Bowen.

[Bo]

And I'm sure Leo was like, no problem, you know, Shut up.

[Colin]

God damn it, Wendy. That's incredible. What a fucking legend. Yeah, we've answered this many times. But soda from a fountain can or glass bottle? Glass bottle. I would actually go, fountain can, glass bottle. I don't care about the glass.

[Bo]

Straight up. I fully agree with you. A well dialed in not freestyle soda machine is perfect.

[Colin]

Best.

[Bo]

The best.

[Colin]

And then I'm sick of the glass bottle.

[Bo]

Ice cold can. I'll take a glass bottle over like a plastic 20 ounce probably.

[Colin]

Yeah, that's it.

[Bo]

Anytime you're going, that's what really ice.

[Colin]

Cold can is like perfect.

[Bo]

Insane industry standard. It's perfect.

[Colin]

I agree.

[Bo]

As a matter of fact, when you go to a nice restaurant and you ask for a Diet Coke and they bring you a glass of ice with the little mini Diet Coke bottle, I'm pissed. If they bring me a glass of ice with an ice cold can, I'm relieved. I love it.

[Colin]

I'm a little. Really. I'm sick of the nice restaurant doing the glass bottle because they charge you.

[Bo]

Like six bucks for that.

[Colin]

Fuck you. That is like worst type of capitalism to me.

[Bo]

Fully agree.

[Colin]

The least you can do in your dog shit fancy place is give me a goddamn refillable fountain.

[Bo]

And I know you have a bar. I know you have coke on that tap.

[Colin]

Extensive. You got a tap. You know that.

[Bo]

That sucks. Yeah, that sucks.

[Colin]

Somebody asked, was Hazen street the best hardcore super group? I would say no.

[Bo]

I kind of missed Hazen street also.

[Colin]

Yeah. It wasn't my and it's kind of pop punk vibe.

[Bo]

So I think it was very purposefully. Right. Wasn't that kind of the idea?

[Colin]

Yeah, that wasn't my at all.

[Bo]

No. Path of resistance.

[Colin]

Great answer. Great answer.

[Bo]

Path resistance. Eyes of the Lord. Pretty good. Super group. When you're talking super group, you know.

[Colin]

There'S some super guys in that group, you know. And that's. That's got sub 900 monthly listeners now, so. But I'm very proud of it. We love that stuff.

[Bo]

Good.

[Colin]

Let's see.

[Bo]

I still get the intro caught in my head. Just randomly. Well, not intro like the first. Yeah.

[Colin]

Yeah, I like that one. How did you guys get the David Havoc interview? I emailed his manager.

[Bo]

Duh.

[Colin]

Sometimes just send them emails, man. You never know.

[Bo]

You never know.

[Colin]

It took a while.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin]

But eventually they wrote back.

[Bo]

And what? He. He'll touch on this. But, like, we were vetted. He, like, made sure we were.

[Colin]

You know when a band is naming themselves and wants to use something already done in the ether, do you prefer state abbreviation that is Kubla Khan, Texas X band name X band name hxc or do you have your own ideas about it? I think if it already exists, don't do it.

[Bo]

If it's obvious enough that you have to think about this.

[Colin]

Yes.

[Bo]

Now if, like, Vayne or like Kuba Khan, if. If you're an established band or American Nightmare back in the day, if you're an established band and something comes up where you, like, legally have to change it, then, yeah, obviously do whatever you got to do. But I think if you're like, I would love to call my band Integrity. I think we're gonna go Integrity and NE for Nebraska. It's like, yeah, don't.

[Colin]

It's so annoying.

[Bo]

Don't do that.

[Colin]

And I think the poser alarm for me is when people say Vayne fm. Well, yeah, because that's just vain.

[Bo]

Of course.

[Colin]

That just means you weren't. You weren't there. If you think that that's something you should be saying.

[Bo]

Are there any bands that have survived a name change because, like, American Nightmares.

[Colin]

Ghost had to be Ghost BC for a while.

[Bo]

That's right. And they were.

[Colin]

I think they got so big that they beat it.

[Bo]

They were fine. They Ghost BC did not. Didn't affect them at all.

[Colin]

Super Heaven was Daylight.

[Bo]

Now that I remember being like, oh, damn.

[Colin]

That kind of killed them for a while. But they rose above.

[Bo]

Yeah, sure. Yeah, for sure.

[Colin]

That was like. I mean, that was kind of. That's kind of proof of like, don't try to save it. Don't try to salvage it with Daylight AD or something.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin]

Damnation AD is the only cool damnation and martyr because those are built into the name.

[Bo]

Yes, agreed. Agreed.

[Colin]

It was immediately established with this is the name. Those are cool ones. If you have to change your name, just change it to something completely different. Do you feel punished by co workers asking them if they're in a band? I would say it's an uncomfortable conversation.

[Bo]

Regardless, it doesn't matter if you are Paul Stanley taking a picture with two dorks outside of your favorite local creamery. It doesn't matter if you just put out a demo and it's your first band ever. Having that conversation is just like, yeah, I do this thing. That is what I do.

[Colin]

Yeah. It's called God's Hate. Oh. It's called Dead Body. It sucks.

[Bo]

Sucks.

[Colin]

That's why every time somebody asks my. My band is called Marauder, you should check it out. It's horrible. Have either of you had a co worker ask you about music that was actually down with heavy stuff?

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin]

When I worked the best.

[Bo]

When I worked. I worked at a big call center for a long time, up until Warped Tour. I had to quit in my 30s to go on Warped Tour. But there were. There were quite a few people there. One guy who I worked directly with who still comes to Harm's Way shows. Shut Up. Shout Out Reggie. He knows who he is. And there are people who totally get it and who are chill for sure.

[Colin]

One of my. I think I was like two or three months into Big Brother working there initially wearing a crumb sucker shirt. And one of the Switchers, which is basically a live director, comes down the stairs and he's like, crumb suckers. Holy shit. And turns out he's just some. He's a guy from Connecticut.

[Bo]

Wow.

[Colin]

Named Mark. Super cool. Nice guy. I like him a lot. Mark, you're not listening, but Shout out to you. And then we talked all the time about that stuff. And then somebody from. Was the Faceless was one of the camera operators on the show as well.

[Bo]

Weird.

[Colin]

So we talked like Sappho and stuff.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin]

Very cool. How do you feel about playing at the same time as Agnostic Front on Riot Fest?

[Bo]

Dude, it fucking sucks. It sucks. Yeah, it's. It's like the one, to a much lesser extent at. At Rockville, earlier in the year, the only bands that had overlap the entire day on our day was us in the Acacia Strain. Why would you do that? Those are probably.

[Colin]

Why would you make people decide that?

[Bo]

Those are probably the only two crossovers where either one would affect the other. I don't know if the Riot Fest crowd who want to see Agnostic Front play victim in pain are necessarily going to be. Be like, oh, we're missing Harm's Way. Like, I understand that's probably. The Venn diagram is a little more broad, but, like, it's true. I want to see it.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Bo]

The. When I figured that out, it was actually crushing.

[Colin]

That's devastating.

[Bo]

It's devastating. It's not even in a. And it's also like, they start after we start, so it's like, whoever's going to be there is going to be there. And that's just kind of how it is because the stages are far, so it sucks. I'm bummed about it. I would have loved to see that. And also, it's the first time we're playing, so I could have watched from like, I could have been by Stigma and enjoyed it. You know what I mean?

[Colin]

So I really wish I could be there for your first time playing.

[Bo]

It would be cool. It'd be cool.

[Colin]

It's very special.

[Bo]

Yeah, but you got your own. You're premiering, baby. Yeah.

[Colin]

Night Patrol premiere. Fantastic. I'll be in Austin, Texas at Fantastic Fest.

[Bo]

Dude, I'll tell you a taco place to go to that's going to fucking blow your horns. Yeah, please blow your horns off.

[Colin]

I want that.

[Bo]

Tell you right now.

[Colin]

I want that. What is your gut reaction when you see someone wearing a Straight Edge shirt? Not just the band, but it specifically says Straight Edge. With a beer at a show. I have no emotion whatsoever. I think he's supporting that band. That was really cool. That's the bravest guy in the room.

[Bo]

I just. I really don't give a shit what anybody else does. No, I just don't.

[Colin]

Well said.

[Bo]

Unless you're rowing in the pit.

[Colin]

Oh, well, then you have to really care. I really immediately. Thoughts on pitch. Shenanigans example. Rowing ball of death, recording with Nintendo DS camera, Pokemon cards, etc. I think if the band is asking you to do it, there's nothing we can say. Obviously.

[Bo]

I think you're right.

[Colin]

If the camera. Corny.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin]

It looks like shit. You're just. You're doing a bit for attention. You're corny.

[Bo]

Rowing is the capital offense.

[Colin]

If you're outside of a Mon Amarth and you're rowing, I'm gonna fire a cannonball into the crowd.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin]

Myself.

[Bo]

We should be allowed to respond in theme.

[Colin]

You should get. It should be a cannonball response.

[Bo]

Yes.

[Colin]

Like the wall of ball. The ball. Cannonball of death.

[Bo]

Yes. There you go.

[Colin]

The. The rowers should be. There should be a reason they're rowing. They're both capsized, right?

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin]

The big boat capsized, right. Now they've got to row the. The emergency boats out. And now they're getting fired at up all around.

[Bo]

And it's the same. It's the same with doing push ups in the pit because it's like, okay, cool, man. You know, me, me, me, me, me, me. I. I think if a band is saying, all right, split it down. The middle and they do the thing or. Or the Hate Breed Ball of Death. Fine. That's. The bands want to do that.

[Colin]

That's the band initiating. Hey, we want to do this fun thing that's just ours and part for us, their show.

[Bo]

And that's fine. But when you make it about you, you not only take it away from the band, take it away from the other people who want to enjoy the band. That's. That's what we don't like.

[Colin]

Amen. This is the last question. I think this is a great question. Who is the modern day Big four of hardcore?

[Bo]

Okay.

[Colin]

Turnstile have Heart.

[Bo]

Okay.

[Colin]

Trapped Under Ice, Terror. That Too early. What is Modern Day?

[Bo]

So. Well, what I'm gonna say is I think you have to be touring. I think you need to be touring. I do think that that's part of it. And Terror is fucking touring.

[Colin]

Terror's touring. So it would be. That would be Turnstile Terror Knock Loose.

[Bo]

And then now we get the newcomer. Now we can kind of. Okay, who's out there? Who's grinding? Who's doing it? Pain of Truth.

[Colin]

Pain of Truth is Torn. Big time. Tsunami's torn.

[Bo]

Big Tsunami.

[Colin]

Haywire's touring. I mean Drain in a few years. Haywire. Yeah, you know.

[Bo]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Colin]

They've been a band for a year and a half. So it's like. I fully agree, but at this rate. Yeah, it's. It's like guaranteed. It's inevitable.

[Bo]

Missing Link is touring. Drain is touring. You know, I do think that that's part of it. That like if you're only doing fest and playing seldomly. I think as someone who does that, you would agree, you know.

[Colin]

Yeah. 100.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin]

But I would say in terms of all time needle movers. 22,000 to 2025.

[Bo]

Yes. Okay.

[Colin]

Terror Half Heart Trapped in the Right Turnstile. In terms of hardcore music.

[Bo]

Half Heart Trapped Under Eyes Turnstile. I can agree. I like it. That's a good question. It's. You know. And then what's funny is it's been. Turnstile's been in that spot for a minute since Raise the.

[Colin]

Since like the second ep.

[Bo]

Yes. Yeah.

[Colin]

Since they became a regular touring band, honestly.

[Bo]

Interesting.

[Colin]

And that's our. That's our show, guys.

[Bo]

That's the Q A. Hey. September 11th, you know, dark.

[Colin]

We. We've reached many corners of the. Of the world today. September 11th. Alien, Alien 3. Alien resurrection, Haywire. This is what we do here. Thank you all for watching once again, beautiful week next week. Davey Havoc Part 1. So please get ready for that. It's unbelievable.

[Bo]

You're gonna love it. You're going to love it. Even if you're peripherally interested in afi, which you shouldn't be, you should be very interested in afi, but even if you're just like, oh, that might be interesting, trust me, you're gonna love this thing.

[Colin]

Amen. September 18th. September 25th, David Havoc is on Hard Lore. But September 20th, Beau Plays Riot Fest for the first time.

[Bo]

That's right.

[Colin]

My patrol premieres of Fantastic Fest. It's a big month. My birthday's coming up.

[Bo]

I'm on tour right now with Deaf Heaven. Please come, come.

[Colin]

Yeah. Is this Night two one?

[Bo]

Yeah, I think so. I think we left yesterday.

[Colin]

Perfect.

[Bo]

Perfect.

[Colin]

Thank you all for watching. Go see Harm's Way. Have a great day. Bye. This episode is brought to you by Mad Vintage.