Anthony Green: Circa Survive's Break Up, Leaving Saosin, L.S. Dunes & Addiction

Summary

HardLore Podcast Summary

Episode: Anthony Green – Circa Survive’s Break Up, Leaving Saosin, L.S. Dunes & Addiction

Date Released: December 4, 2025
Hosts: Colin Young (Twitching Tongues, God’s Hate) & Bo Lueders (Harms Way)
Guest: Anthony Green (Circa Survive, Saosin, L.S. Dunes, The Sound of Animals Fighting, and more)
Location: Recorded aboard the SS Neverender cruise

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Episode Overview

This episode of HardLore welcomes prolific vocalist Anthony Green for a profound, candid, and often humorous exploration of his journey through underground music, addiction, family, and the creative process. Anthony dives deep into leaving Saosin, the formation and end of Circa Survive, finding a new chapter in L.S. Dunes, and battling (and surviving) lifelong addiction. The conversation is threaded with self-reflection, insight into band dynamics, and a real sense of camaraderie between musicians who’ve lived and survived “the lore” of touring.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

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1. Life at Sea and Tour Stories (03:01–04:44)

• Being on a music cruise: Anthony shares how rare it is for him to see live music due to his hermit tendencies, making the cruise a special experience:

  "Getting to be in a situation where you can't avoid it...I gotta see Sweet Pill, you guys—really cool."
  (03:01)

• Cruise Lifestyle: They joke about the party-hard stereotype of cruises, and none of them would go on them recreationally.
  (04:04)

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2. Early Musical Roots: From Grindcore to Philly Punk (13:59–16:50)

• Influences: Anthony started with screaming in bands, inspired by grindcore, Charles Bronson, Cripple Bastards, and later realized a “melodic” side after hearing Cave In inject melody into hardcore.
• Feeling like an outsider: Despite being recognized as a genre pioneer, Anthony says he never felt fully part of the Philly hardcore scene.
• Key musical mentors: His older brothers introduced him to Minor Threat and both DC and NY hardcore.

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3. The Role of Mentorship and Vince Ratti (25:53–27:25)

• Vince Ratti (Zoloft the Rock & Roll Destroyer): Anthony credits Vince as the first person to really believe in his talent, songwriting, and ability to create.

  "He was the first person that made me feel like I had something to show up for...and he believed in me."
  (26:41)

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4. Earliest Addiction, Family Dynamics, and Drugs in the Scene (28:02–33:32)

• Early exposure: He first found drugs at home after D.A.R.E. classes, feeling “hell bent” on being an addict before even starting.
• Family estrangement and reconciliation: After a long period of not talking, Anthony found peace with his parents through forgiveness, especially after having children himself.

  "Forgiving them...realizing it really isn't their fault...they didn't have any of the stuff, you know, they needed."
  (30:08)

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5. Joining and Leaving Saosin (33:41–43:12)

• Turning point: Anthony was called to CA to join Saosin while in college, post-rehab, uncertain if he could handle it.
• Sudden departure: He left impulsively, in large part due to miscommunication and feeling disconnected, but admits he was a liability due to substance use.
• Reflective regret:

  "I was scared...One of the greatest moments of my life [was] to have them back in my life."
  (43:27)

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6. Circa Survive: A New Creative Beginning (44:44–51:00)

• The magic of chemistry: Anthony describes finding, for the first time, a truly collaborative and creative space with Circa (“I got this guy playing guitar who I worship…”).
• Finding confidence on stage:

  "Wanting to seize the opportunity to...have that feeling...even if it's slightly embarrassing."
  (50:19)

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7. Art, Social Media, and Making Music for Fun (83:02–84:37)

• Creating for passion: Anthony embraces projects for the sake of love, not product, including The Sound of Animals Fighting and his spontaneous social media songs.
• Advice:

  "You have your own TV, you know, music TV station, your own radio station right here—make it whatever you want..."
  (83:19)

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8. Battling Addiction: Substance Use, Recovery, and Relapse (46:47, 69:33–73:10, 76:18, 95:48–97:19)

• Relapses and recovery: Anthony details cycles of addiction and recovery (heroin, fentanyl, Xanax, Vicodin), how fatherhood ultimately became his reason to pursue sobriety, and the role of medications like sublocade in his process.
• The importance of support systems: Both L.S. Dunes and, earlier, Circa Survive played pivotal roles—though eventually, Circa had to implement boundaries for their own self-preservation.
• On relapse and reconciliation:

  "You stop caring about yourself... [but] I might as well give it a shot for my kids."
  (70:27)

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9. Circa Survive’s End (85:16–88:45)

• Breakup/hiatus: Candidly discusses the pandemic’s impact, his relapse before a major tour, and how it fractured relationships.
• Where things stand: There's healing, but no definite plans to reform.

  "I don't know if the band is ever gonna do anything again. And if it did, it wouldn't be the same."
  (88:04)

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10. L.S. Dunes: A Rebirth (95:13–101:00)

• A second chance: Dunes provided both the unconditional support and creative spark Anthony deeply needed after Circa Survive.
• Band of equals:

  “I was still the frontman but...there wasn't a frontman for that band...Everybody writes hooks...”
  (96:35)

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11. Addiction, Recovery, and Hope (106:38–108:52)

• Fentanyl crisis: Anthony expresses dismay at the current state of addiction, noting how much more dangerous drugs have become since his youth.
• On recovery:

  "There is a different way of life. You don't have to look like that...For people who are sick and suffering, it's terribly lonely...but there's hope."
  (107:04)

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12. Fatherhood, Art, and Legacy (78:54–81:15)

• Kids as inspiration and motivation: Having children reshaped his priorities, sharpened his time management, and gave deeper meaning to his music and daily choices.
• On honesty:

  "I want them to make the best decision, but...the best thing for you is to fuck up...We only learn from failure."
  (105:24)

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13. Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On authenticity:

  "I used to be really scared doing these things because I didn't want people to find out what an idiot I am. But oh yeah, they're gonna find out."
  (06:48–06:57)

• On quitting cigarettes for kids:

  "My kid was like, I want you to stop smoking. I want you to be alive for as long as you can."
  (11:01)

• On leaving Saosin:

  "I was a liability. I really think I was. It was a different...but they don't see you quitting the band coming."
  (40:47–41:11)

• On Circa Survive's break up/hiatus:

  "It wasn't just a band—we were a family. When that shit went down...I never imagined it going away the way it went."
  (85:44)

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Important Segment Timestamps

• [03:01] — Anthony discusses rarely seeing live bands, making the cruise unique.
• [25:53] — The pivotal role of Vince Ratti as a musical mentor.
• [28:02] — Early introduction to drugs and desire for self-destruction.
• [33:41] — Decision process for joining Saosin.
• [46:47] — The story of leaving Saosin and feeling out of place.
• [69:33] — Addiction—the cycle of using, self-medicating, and the danger of fentanyl.
• [76:18] — Mental health struggles and institutionalization during Blue Sky Noise era.
• [85:16] — The emotional impact and “family” feeling of Circa Survive’s breakup.
• [95:13] — How L.S. Dunes represented a rebirth and support system.
• [106:38] — Anthony’s thoughts on addiction, fentanyl, and recovery.
• [118:11] — Anthony shares a music memo sent by his 8-year-old son—fatherhood in action.
• [121:42] — Ghost stories: shadow people, sleep paralysis, haunting childhood homes.
• [122:12] — Four favorite hardcore albums.

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Additional Highlights

Band Dynamics & Creative Evolution

• Circa Survive was the first project where Anthony felt free to take creative risks and be truly collaborative.
• Saosin and Circa Survive weren’t mutually hostile—after years of estrangement, Anthony and his former bandmates made peace.

Artistic Philosophy & Mental Health

• Anthony emphasizes the importance of forgiveness (of self and others) and being open about struggles, both to grow as a person and to set a good example for his kids.

Humor & Lore

• The podcast is filled with classic HardLore “lore” — inside jokes, references to iconic gigs, and playful discussion (including a “little Tony” contest, Sonic app loyalty, and Michael Jackson anecdotes).
• Anthony’s attempt to quit smoking by getting hypnotized in his local town stands out as a memorable (and funny) story. (08:18–09:29)

Hardcore Cred & Influences (122:12–124:45)

• Notable hardcore albums for Anthony:
  • Coalesce – Functioning on Impatience
  • This Day Forward – In Response
  • Minor Threat – Discography
  • Bad Brains – Self-Titled (The yellow tape)
  • Honorable mentions: Cave In's Jupiter, Kid Kilowatt, and others.

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On Recovery, Family, and Moving Forward

• Anthony now prioritizes his health, sobriety, and family, making peace with his past and striving to maintain strong relationships with former bandmates and his children.
• He credits his kids as being his biggest motivation to get clean and stay active in life and music.

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Final Thoughts

Anthony Green’s journey, as explored in this episode, is an honest and unflinching look at the highs and lows of hardcore and alternative music stardom, the costs of addiction, and the transformative power of forgiveness—both for others and oneself. His reflections on creativity, parenthood, and recovery are laced with gratitude, humility, and hope, making this a standout episode for fans and newcomers alike.

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Notable Quotes Summary:

• “My art reveals a non-idiot.”—Bo (07:01)
• “I want my contribution to be as cool as his thing.”—Anthony on collaborating with bandmates (44:11)
• “Circa was a family.”—Anthony (85:44)
• “There's a different way of life for people if they want it.”—Anthony (108:41)
• “You can't be true to love and acceptance with others if you aren't at one with your shadow.”—Anthony (116:07)

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For Listeners

Get an in-depth glimpse into the life of one of alternative music’s most unique voices—his trials, triumphs, and the “lore” that binds artists, recovery, and creativity together.
From hardcore heads to music history junkies, this episode is a must-listen.

Transcript

[Anthony Green]

It was just like I was a liability.

[Beau]

But they. But it's like they don't see you quitting the band coming.

[Anthony Green]

At one point when we were in Seosin, there was like a thing where, you know, and I think in a kind way, in a way where they were trying to be like, hey, you know, you don't have to be here for the writing the music if you don't want to, you know? And I might have taken it a different way, but I think they were just like. I think I know for a fact it came out of them being like, hey, whatever you need, we got you. But being a piece of shit and at the time, not really communicating, that could have been. I could have talked to them about that and figured it out like that.

[Beau]

Like, I would like to write is probably all I would have taken, you.

[Anthony Green]

Know, I was like, oh, they don't even want me to be there for the writing. Like, what am I doing? Like, what are you looking at? Yeah, yeah, just total dumb drum.

[Beau]

Hello, welcome. Hey, it's hard Lore time. How you doing, bud?

[Colin]

I'm doing great.

[Anthony Green]

Where are we?

[Beau]

We are currently at sea somewhere in the Gulf of Mexico. Yes, indeed, on the SS Never Ender. And we've got an incredible guest today.

[Colin]

Who do we got?

[Beau]

We've got. Are you guys ready for this? The incomparable vocalist of no less than 10 bands. Right? Nine, 10. I'm sure you're not counting anymore. One of the kindest people I've ever met in music. Friend of the show. One of one of Doylestown's greatest sons, Anthony Graham.

[Anthony Green]

I just honestly didn't think you were gonna do that. In the beginning of all this. I was like, scrambled my eggs a little bit. Nice. Very nice to be here.

[Beau]

Are you a scrambled egg, man?

[Anthony Green]

I'm a scrambled egg. I take my eggs all I like. I'm a variety guy.

[Beau]

I'm over easy or over medium.

[Colin]

I'm over hard because they can't fuck it up.

[Anthony Green]

It is true. It's like an easy.

[Colin]

You know what I mean?

[Anthony Green]

Some days I like a drippy egg scramble. Yeah.

[Colin]

I like a dip when it's all egg.

[Anthony Green]

You know what egg has all of the new, like, besides vitamin C, I think vitamin C is the only. It doesn't have, but it has like everything you need in.

[Colin]

Yeah, it's.

[Anthony Green]

I don't know. Actually, a lot of things I might say on here aren't gonna be like 100 factual, but I believe this.

[Colin]

We do that all. I do that all the time. I believe I'm about to do it right now. An egg. That's the same thing with like a carnivore diet. You still need your vitamins.

[Anthony Green]

Yes.

[Colin]

You'll get scurvy.

[Anthony Green]

Yes.

[Beau]

I've yet to get scurvy.

[Anthony Green]

Wait, what the. What is scurvy?

[Beau]

It's pirate shit, dude.

[Colin]

Yeah, I think it's.

[Anthony Green]

Is it decent? Is it like a butt thing?

[Colin]

I think it's a skin thing.

[Anthony Green]

A skin thing?

[Beau]

Yeah.

[Anthony Green]

So it's like a fungal.

[Colin]

It could happen on your butt.

[Anthony Green]

It's like a fungus.

[Colin]

I think it's a skin thing.

[Beau]

How's the cruise been?

You having fun?

[Anthony Green]

Are you gonna try to. This is gonna be. We're gonna be normal.

[Beau]

No, we're go.

[Anthony Green]

I mean, it's fun. It's fun. The shows have been really fun.

[Colin]

Yes.

[Anthony Green]

And it. It is cool. It's a cool experience to sit out and see the ocean. Yeah. And you do get to meet cool. I honestly. Getting to see shows. I don't get to see shows that much when I'm home. Like, I don't get to go. I don't. I'm, you know, I don't get to go out very much. I'm kind of a hermit. And getting to be in a situation where you can't avoid it. And you're like, oh, you gotta go see new bands. I gotta see Sweet Pill. I never saw them. They're really cool. I gotta see you guys. Really cool.

[Beau]

I really. I can't stress how much I needed you.

[Anthony Green]

And the Misfit set was really cool.

[Beau]

Thank you.

[Anthony Green]

Dude, you had a. Everybody was. All the Konaki guys were there. Everybody was like stoked.

[Beau]

It was 1pm, right. And maybe the blazingest sun that's ever blazed.

[Anthony Green]

Yeah. I feel like tongues is for like a container.

[Colin]

You need a container.

[Anthony Green]

Darkness cold past 10. Night time. It's not a. Maybe not a festival act.

[Beau]

But you were there. Yeah. Which is all we play now, which is awesome.

[Colin]

I do think, like a hardcore fan.

[Beau]

Yeah.

[Anthony Green]

You know, is.

[Colin]

Is a cruise something either of you.

[Beau]

Would go on, like recreationally.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Anthony Green]

No, no.

[Beau]

Maybe. But like.

[Colin]

But I think this is kind of best case 100%.

[Anthony Green]

When I was getting up, I think people could have sold me on, like, okay, we're gonna go out and just get like up in like drink non stop or something. That's what they're doing.

[Colin]

That's what they're doing out there.

[Anthony Green]

That's why.

[Colin]

And that ain't included. You know what I mean? They're paying.

[Anthony Green]

Hell yeah.

[Beau]

Shoo.

[Anthony Green]

Yeah.

[Beau]

You ever Been parked up on a boat.

[Anthony Green]

Probably nice.

[Beau]

You wouldn't.

[Anthony Green]

You wouldn't probably.

I know that we circa once did like a thing where we like recorded like a session, like acoustic style, like on a little boat somewhere in Europe. Yeah. And I remember like, it wasn't like my best years.

[Colin]

Well, you remember part of it at least.

[Anthony Green]

Yeah.

[Colin]

That's something.

[Anthony Green]

I remember that. It had snapshots.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Anthony Green]

Huge snapshots.

[Beau]

The hard part now is we've been. We've been spending time together for like four straight days and having fun conversations the whole time. And now we have to like replicate that.

[Anthony Green]

That's what I was like.

I just, I. I don't do lots of podcasts and stuff like that. And like when I like this is like, this is easy, you know? Like it should be. It's fun, you know?

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Anthony Green]

But like when. Whenever you feel like you're actually in the hot seat, it's like scary.

[Beau]

It's going to be fun. Freezing.

[Anthony Green]

Yeah. Isn't. Yeah. And I've watched you guys do stuff before. I'm like, oh, yeah, we're here for you.

[Colin]

Chill.

[Anthony Green]

We're here together. This is a team. Yeah.

[Colin]

Yeah. Very much.

[Anthony Green]

I'm honored to be on your podcast. Yeah, I'm honored to be on your podcast. The actual legends.

[Colin]

Oh my God.

[Anthony Green]

Actual Legends. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. You're always gassing. You got me gassing me up. You can't take a little gas?

[Beau]

I. You know, I got gas. You are here. You're here with Ellis right now.

[Anthony Green]

Yep.

[Beau]

I personally did the first or second ever Ella Studunes interview.

[Anthony Green]

I think it might have been the first.

[Colin]

Is that when you guys met?

[Beau]

No, no, we met.

[Anthony Green]

Okay.

[Beau]

Long before that. We go. We've been.

[Anthony Green]

Did we first meet?

[Beau]

I don't know. But we've been oomph for.

[Anthony Green]

Yeah.

[Beau]

For much longer.

[Anthony Green]

From the get. Yeah.

[Beau]

Yeah.

[Anthony Green]

From the get.

[Beau]

He was a. He was. He followed me on vine and I was like, what the fuck?

[Colin]

Wow, you're a fan of the Vine.

[Anthony Green]

He was hilarious.

[Colin]

It was.

[Anthony Green]

It was really funny.

[Colin]

That was when I found out you were funny. That's was the vibe, you know? Cuz I only knew you through like a group text, you know what I mean? We hadn't met.

[Beau]

I wasn't cracking bits in there. I've got some bits for you now. Boligar. Guitar. Guitar coming out.

[Anthony Green]

I'm only ever funny by accident. Like, I'm never funny on podcasts. Like, I'm never funny like in. When on like tv. Like I never, never had to, like, do anything where I'm like, oh, like.

[Beau]

You never gotten Matt Penfield just pissing his pants?

[Anthony Green]

No, I'm never, like, funny in interviews or, like, when things are being recorded. I'm always, like, kind of funny, like, when it doesn't count.

[Colin]

But you know what? That's authentic. That's organic humor.

[Anthony Green]

I used to be skip. Really scared of doing these things because I was just like, I don't want people to find out, like, what an idiot I am. But then I just realized, like, oh, yeah, they're gonna find out.

[Beau]

I think you're. You're.

[Anthony Green]

If I try to hide it, it's gonna be worse.

[Beau]

But your art reveals a non idiot. You know, it's inherently non idiot.

[Anthony Green]

I think there's, like a seriousness to a lot of it where it's like, oh, okay, then I don't have. I don't have to like it. I don't know. I don't have to. I don't have to worry about. I don't really worry good about it anymore.

[Beau]

You should.

[Anthony Green]

But I used to worry about, like, just like, how I would. How I would come off or I guess, or whatever. I would be worried about how people, like, oh, people. What are they going to think of this? Or what are they thinking of that? And it's like, dude, people are just going to say and do whatever.

[Colin]

Whatever.

[Beau]

Yeah.

[Colin]

No matter what you say comments are.

[Anthony Green]

Yeah.

[Beau]

We don't switch stuff.

[Colin]

We don't recommend.

[Anthony Green]

Yeah, no. There's no. There's no business. Yeah, yeah. You got. No, it doesn't help.

[Beau]

99% of them are, like, really supportive.

[Anthony Green]

Most of them, and. But the only one you remember is the one where you're like, yeah, but honestly, what's it like? I don't know.

[Beau]

It doesn't matter.

[Anthony Green]

It doesn't matter.

[Beau]

In that interview, you revealed to me that you often smoke cigarettes on airplanes.

[Anthony Green]

Yeah.

[Beau]

Is that something you still do?

[Anthony Green]

I don't. I quit smoking cigarettes. That may.

[Beau]

No way.

[Anthony Green]

Yeah. For my kid.

[Beau]

Cause I was really.

[Anthony Green]

And then just started smoking this thing all the time. I probably smoke this thing five times as much as I would. Because you can smoke it anywhere.

[Colin]

You can do it anywhere.

[Anthony Green]

I don't have to go outside. It doesn't even look cool. It's like, awful, dude. It's like, dumbass. It's horrible.

[Beau]

It's digital versus analog, dude.

[Anthony Green]

I'm about to go. When I get home, I get hypnotized.

[Colin]

Have you done that before?

[Anthony Green]

I have, but not for, like, therapeutic reasons. Just like, in College. Like, when they were like, oh, are you susceptible? I got hypnotized in college.

[Beau]

It worked.

[Anthony Green]

Yeah.

[Beau]

What was it?

[Anthony Green]

Straight up? It was like, you know, you got on stage and they had you, like, act like you were somebody or you were a chicken, or you were like, you know, asking somebody for a date or whatever. I don't remember any of that.

[Beau]

You begotten.

[Anthony Green]

I begocked. I was all over. I was like. I did everything. Holy shit. I was. I. I was so susceptible.

[Colin]

Why are some people. I need to do research.

[Anthony Green]

It freaked me out.

[Colin]

Jason.

[Beau]

Oh, Jason.

[Colin]

Jason, Friend of the show.

[Anthony Green]

You know what? You know hypnotist.

[Beau]

We know.

[Anthony Green]

We do.

[Colin]

We do know.

[Beau]

Very good friend of the show.

[Anthony Green]

There's a guy in my town who is a hypnotist. And, like, I've just always seen him in, like. And I didn't know he was a hypnotist. He was like, this guy who's always out in front of the coffee shop.

[Colin]

He's a crystal guy dangling. A very nice guy dangling a pocket watch in front of your face.

[Anthony Green]

And then one day, he was, like, talking with somebody in my coffee shop. And I was like, that's the hypnotist. You're the guy who leaves the cards everywhere.

[Colin]

Whoa.

[Beau]

You've yet to be gotten by him.

[Anthony Green]

No, I talked to him, and I was like, I want to get hypnotized to quit vaping. And he was like, I can do it. I can do it right now if you want. I was like, no, I'm not. Right now. I want to vape for a little bit longer, please.

[Beau]

Now, are you vaping on planes?

[Anthony Green]

Oh, yeah.

[Beau]

So, bathroom.

[Colin]

What's the tech? You do this in your seat.

Oh, you missed.

[Anthony Green]

And then I. And then I opened it in so long.

[Beau]

You swallow.

[Anthony Green]

But I hold it so long you can't see it. And I hold it so long that it's like I lit it up really slow, like.

[Colin]

Wow.

[Beau]

It's invisible. Oh, you see a little bit. I see a little bit. But that could be anything.

[Colin]

But that could be anything.

[Beau]

Yeah.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Anthony Green]

And on a plane, everything's loud. Everything's loud. And the air circulating. And there's. On the flight over here, there was a lady sitting next to me who was definitely like, larry, how I did.

[Beau]

It, because she's getting kiwi strawberry.

[Anthony Green]

Yeah.

[Beau]

I don't know.

[Anthony Green]

The cigarettes was, like, a difficult thing. That was, like, also a time where I was, like, doing heroin.

[Beau]

So mid heroin.

[Anthony Green]

I would. Yeah, it was like, the cigarettes, a lot of the times were like, Okay. I would smoke the heroin, and then I would take, like, a couple drags of a cigarette right afterwards to try to dissipate the smell of the fentanyl that people could smell. You know, after a while of. Of doing that around people, they'll.

[Beau]

You start to take it.

[Anthony Green]

They'll start to figure it out.

[Beau]

That is not a cigarette, man.

[Anthony Green]

They're like, you are asleep in front of me right now, and you smell like burning rubber.

[Beau]

So were the cigarettes kind of a tool to stop the hell?

[Anthony Green]

I don't know. I really liked smoking when I was fucked up. It felt good. Like, it was like they went together, and I was just like. I just got stuck doing it for so long that it was like a. It was a hard habit to break. I'm very happy.

[Beau]

How did you break it?

[Anthony Green]

And when did you. My kid was like, I want you to stop smoking. Oh. And when. When they were like, yeah, do that. Like, I just want you. I want you to be alive for as long as you can. I don't want you to smoke. And I was like, okay. And so I used this to get off of it. And then they were, like, proud of me for me. And they were like, when are you gonna stop doing that? I'm like, get off my back. And then, like, a year later, they were doing it. They started acting, and I was like, oh, my God, dude. And when I caught them doing it, they were like, let's quit together. And I was like, how about we do it forever together? But part of it, I want us all. Like, I want to quit so that I'm not, like, encouraging them to do it.

[Beau]

And like you said, you're vaping five times more than you would smoke cigarettes.

[Anthony Green]

Five times more all the time. I, like, wake up with it in my hand sometimes. It's so stupid.

[Colin]

Now, what is bad about it, about vaping?

[Beau]

It's a cigarette.

[Colin]

No, there's no smoke.

[Beau]

It's the same thing, right?

[Anthony Green]

Okay. So in my head, there's, like, a cognitive dissonance. I say, I'm like, it's better for me. It's not as bad. There's not as much. Kristina Johns.

[Beau]

Yeah, I know. I know him. I'm sick of him, dude.

[Anthony Green]

But, like, in my head, I'm like, it's got to be better. But then, like, once a month, I see a thing on the thing where it's like, popcorn lung. I'm not trying to get that.

[Beau]

No, totally.

[Anthony Green]

It sounds the way you go to the movies.

[Beau]

I'm at home. I don't need to be doing it.

[Colin]

I'm not trying to fuck with that, but is there. I also don't.

[Anthony Green]

We don't know yet. Singer who smokes.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Anthony Green]

So stupid. Singing is my. My favorite thing in the world.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Anthony Green]

It's like, oh, I don't know. It's like my favorite thing in the world. So I'm gonna do this thing that fucks with it specifically. It's like my. I don't know. I think there's like this thing that everybody has where it's like, if you're meant to do this, like, maybe there's like a dark shadow end of it that comes with it. And that might be like I had bite my fingernails. I'm like, I'm always doing. And so like the smoking comes from that.

[Beau]

And it's a fixation.

[Anthony Green]

It's like part of like my. Maybe it's. I don't know. I'm just accepting.

[Beau]

Mine is ice cream.

[Anthony Green]

Okay.

[Colin]

I can't.

[Beau]

And Derry kills my voice. And guess what I did before the first show on this?

[Anthony Green]

What? You ate all these crunch.

[Beau]

I necked down. Sucked down two cocktails.

[Anthony Green]

You really think Derry fucks your voice up?

[Beau]

I know for a fact.

[Anthony Green]

Okay. Because I think that's a myth.

[Beau]

But I've. I'm in. You're hearing it right now. This is my falsehood.

[Anthony Green]

You don't think the phlegm sometimes gives you like a cooler.

[Beau]

I think if I was.

[Colin]

If James Hetfield does that, like, there's a different.

[Beau]

If I was going for, oh, yeah, yeah, I'd be sucking back home.

[Anthony Green]

Who's your. Like when you're like singing like, who's your. Like, like, who's your influences?

[Beau]

Who am I doing?

[Anthony Green]

Not doing. But. Who, like, drew that out of you? They're like, I want to do that.

[Beau]

Pete Steele.

[Anthony Green]

Okay. Yeah.

[Beau]

Messiah from Candlemas.

[Anthony Green]

Okay.

[Beau]

Jonah Jenkins. Only living witness. Hey, Jonah.

[Anthony Green]

Okay.

[Beau]

Ozzy King diamond. You know.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Beau]

All these guys are me. And then a little bit of Tom G. You know, Tom G. Warrior with the. Yeah, that's about it. What about you?

[Colin]

Yeah, let's get. That's. That's a great question.

[Anthony Green]

I. I'm. That's crazy because when I first started, like singing, I was just screaming. And I love like Charles Bronson. Okay. I like bands like Crippled Bastards.

[Beau]

Oh, let's go.

[Anthony Green]

And like, I loved grindcore. It was. It was like what I thought I wanted to do.

[Colin]

And you were doing like, yeah, you're screaming for yourself.

[Anthony Green]

Really high pitched and real low pitched stuff. And then like bands like closure bands like, you know, started. I don't know, like, how anybody finds melody and stuff. Like, I was just ripping off, you know, things that I heard and everything comes from. Cause I remember hearing Caven Sit have a song on Beyond Hypothermia, where it's like, in the middle. Or actually, maybe it was not that record, but it's like, in the middle of the song, there's just like, a singing part.

[Beau]

Yeah.

[Anthony Green]

Like, in this middle. This, like, metal song, fucking heavy ass on it. There's two seconds of this beautiful singing, and I was like, fuck. And the. The back and forth of that was, like, so cool to me. And I just really like that. Like, I really love that. Like. Oh, you're like. You're kind of doing this aggressive thing, but you're also doing this thing that's like. Like, sort of like. Like delicate and more feminine. And there's, like, a balance in that. Yeah, I loved it.

[Beau]

And then they went all in on that and made the sickest ever.

[Anthony Green]

And then screen, though, like, I, like, that turned into this crazy thing that was like, not even a. Like, it was so cool back in the day. Yeah. Yeah.

[Colin]

So cool.

[Anthony Green]

Like, it was. And then I feel like it just turned into this thing that, like, couldn't be cool.

[Beau]

Yeah.

[Anthony Green]

I mean, like, it just got so out of hand. And like, dude.

[Beau]

And you, dude, you are a legit pioneer of that genre.

[Anthony Green]

You know, it's weird because, like, I was, like. I felt like, so much on the periphery of everything. Like, in Philadelphia, like, I didn't. Wasn't a part of, like, the hardcore scene or anything. Like, I was, like. I was a part of. I was a fan, you know, going to everything. And, like, none of my bands, like, even if we played shows with fans, we weren't ever, like, like, a celebrated part of that history, you know, Maybe in retrospect, people say that now.

[Beau]

What about in Doylestown?

[Anthony Green]

It, like. Yeah, like, in Doylestown, you go to.

[Beau]

The fucking Christmas market in Doylestown. I've been there. I've spent many, many. Christma Doylestown.

[Anthony Green]

They know everybody I know in my town. I know just, like, from being like, a dad.

[Beau]

Yeah.

[Anthony Green]

And being like, you know, like a person in town. Like, not a lot of people in my town, like, know, like, they know I'm the band guy, but they don't listen to the band or, like, how.

[Beau]

You do the music and the stuff.

[Anthony Green]

If once in a while, if I'm, like, in. Or they'll. They're all asking, like, they all are used to seeing me and then not seeing me for like three months. I mean like, where are you coming from? How long you. Yeah, like that's it. Yeah, but it's cool. Like I love being a musician. I love being a musician.

[Beau]

But how do you find Charles Bronson and fucking Purple Bastards of all things? Do you have an old head showing you stuff?

[Anthony Green]

Yeah, a lot of old heads. A lot of like just not even old heads but like just people. I had older brothers that like my oldest brother like got me into like Minor Threat and like ever like introduced me to hardcore From like the D.C. new York side of stuff. And I had like brothers wearing like New Order and remember. Yeah.

But I. I went to high school with this kid named Tom Doherty, who I started. My very like first bandwidth was called Audience of One. Yeah, we had. We were like. We started out making like heavy. We were like just impersonating like.

Like anal.

Cunt shit like that. Like we were like, you know, melt banana, like anything. Like we didn't have. We were like, yeah, I didn't know how to play. We were just figuring shit out. We were just jamming with each other. At one point I was playing bass and we would go over to Tom's house after school and like just. Hey, a drum kit in his basement and we were just jam. You know, I would play or he would play and we were just like fucking jamming. Like heavy. And it was so cool. It was just discovering things, you know. He introduced me to Cripple Bastards, like a lot of Italian grindcore and like he would order records and like he also introduced me to Strife and Earth Crisis and Snap Case.

[Beau]

Like, were you ever straight Edge for any point of time?

[Anthony Green]

I think I might have been like as a, like a little kid like before, like I might have like drawn X's on my hats and like stuff like that. Like when you needed it, gotten drugs. I was like, this is cool. Like drugs are stupid. But then like, yeah, but how psych.

[Beau]

Would you be if your kid said the same thing?

[Anthony Green]

That would be so psyched.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Anthony Green]

And all of my Straight Edge friends are like, have been the best role models for my kids, like growing up. Like when I have been like kind of, you know, not always been doing the best example. Like, you know, Chris Sorensen plays bass for SEO Sin has been like one of my best friends forever. And he's like my uncle to my kids and he like, they see him, he's so fun. Going for hikes, doing fun shit. Like, like learning how to, you know, take video, take photography, play bass, record music. Making a hundred bands. And, like, that's what life has to offer you when you're not.

[Beau]

He's an Edgeman.

[Anthony Green]

Throwing it away. Oh, yeah. For a long time. Like, as long as I've ever known him. And. And does it like, the. Right. The dude. When I first moved out of California, like, all of the edgman that I met, like. Like, Biggie was kind of part of.

[Beau]

Oh, yeah.

[Anthony Green]

They were like. They were like, the most violent people I ever met, but they were also, like, kindest and sweetest and, like, immediately accepted me because I was in Samson.

[Beau]

And just part of the Samson story at all.

[Anthony Green]

I met Biggie. Biggie saved my life at a. At a chain reaction show.

[Beau]

Tell me.

[Colin]

At a wood show. Yeah.

[Anthony Green]

Somebody was there. I might have, like, stolen money from somebody's, like, mom at their house or something. I might have stole. I might have stolen something.

[Beau]

Okay.

[Anthony Green]

But I was like, somebody's boyfriend was gonna buck me up, and Biggie took care of it.

[Beau]

Wow.

[Anthony Green]

Biggie took care of it, like, without. Like, with. And, like, it was like. That was like my first. Me. I never even really met him.

[Beau]

Were you stealing stuff on the rag or what?

[Anthony Green]

I probably stole a little bit.

[Beau]

Yeah.

[Colin]

Was that to fuel?

[Anthony Green]

Yeah.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Anthony Green]

I was like. Well, it was the fuel, but I was also living, like. I was living in people's garages and whatever. So, like, just to have some money.

[Beau]

Yeah.

[Anthony Green]

But I also just like. That was. That was really. It was dumb. It was dumb.

[Colin]

Where would you sell stuff that you stole?

[Anthony Green]

I would try.

[Beau]

You're like. You were gonna make it happen.

[Anthony Green]

Trading, Lots of trading trade Just gotta trade your way I see I'm trading.

[Beau]

Mode Trade your way to the bag, baby Gotta find it Audience of one does that evolve into jeers at jeer at Rome? Are they from. Are they synonymous Audio?

[Anthony Green]

That's so funny. Those are, like, the coolest dudes. Those, like, the most hardcore situation that was ever. Those guys were, like, from Freight Train and like, like, cool bands. And I was like. I was, like, 16 or 17. And I remember I loved all of the bands that they had been in. Like, there was the drummer, Luke, and the guitar player, Mike, were in a band called Demiurge, I believe, who, like, was before. Yeah, and it was like, before, like, Freight Trainer, one of the dudes was in Kensington. And, yeah, they were just Mike Migliacci. It's a great, great dude.

[Beau]

And you. They hear this kid wailing.

[Anthony Green]

They wanted me to be in the band. It was like, the coolest feeling I ever had.

[Colin]

The pipes.

[Anthony Green]

Hey, yeah. We want you to sing for us, dude. And it was. I was like, these. It was so cool. My dad had to drive me to Bristol to go practice with these guys. Is there a Bristol?

[Beau]

Pennsylvania Bristol?

[Anthony Green]

Pa. It's kind of tough. Like, I live, like, in the burbs, like, outside of Philadelphia. I always say, phil, Philadelphia, but I'm Philadelphia.

[Beau]

You're Doylestown, right?

[Anthony Green]

I, like, I grew up outside of Doylestown. I've been in Doylestown for the last, like, 15 years.

[Beau]

I recognize Doylestown. It's a great place. Beautiful place.

[Anthony Green]

Spends a lot of time there.

[Beau]

Yeah.

[Anthony Green]

Yeah. Doylestown's awesome. It's like a weird little bubble.

[Beau]

It's awesome.

[Anthony Green]

It's a weird little bubble. It's awesome.

[Beau]

They got a golf course, they got a pizza place.

[Anthony Green]

Cool, like. Like a cool movie theater. Like, my favorite stuff there. It's a beautiful little bubble.

[Beau]

So, Jira Rome, how long does that last?

[Anthony Green]

It was only, like, maybe a year or two. And it was like, there were shows that, like, we would get book shows, like, and I had to, like, I was grounded because I wasn't getting good grades. And I was like, these guys are in their 20s, and they want me to sing in their band. Like, you have to let me go. My dad would drive me to, like, you know, plank apart. So they got it, drop me off to sing and then wait in the thing, and I come back and, like, that's how serious he was, like, about me being grounded. I, like. Like, just the fact that he let me go and do it and waited, let me. Like, it was, like, a thing.

[Beau]

So they support.

[Anthony Green]

Good.

[Colin]

That's good dad stuff, though, in my opinion. Like, that's good parenting.

[Anthony Green]

Yes.

[Beau]

Like, you fucked up, so you must be punished. But I. You. This is your thing.

[Anthony Green]

It was so foreign to them, like, all that stuff. It was scary to them.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Anthony Green]

So, like, I. And they were, you know, I give them a lot of credit for. For, you know, letting me kind of. It was really scary. They were the type of people who would be like, you're getting bad grades. We're taking your guitar. Oh, you know, and I'd have to, like, sneak and get it and, like, do stuff like that.

[Beau]

Riffing.

[Anthony Green]

Them. They never saw music as being, like, a thing that, you know, was, like, possible to, like, do, you know, so have they.

[Beau]

Did they witness what would become of you in this?

[Anthony Green]

It was funny because when I left to go to California, like, I had to take them to, like, a therapist to talk to them about me leaving, because it was, like, such a meltdown type of situation where they were. They were like, kind of like, ultimatum me. Like, you're gonna leave. Like, you. You know, whatever. It was, like, weird. And they, you know, and I was like, called this guy that I had seen, like, this therapist that I'd seen in high school. I was like, hey, can I. Can I bring my parents and so we can have like, a real conversation about, like, me having to do this. And I remember this therapist.

19 or 20. Okay.

[Beau]

But do they see SEO Sin become, like, number one MySpace band from me.

[Anthony Green]

Not wanting to do it and being like, I don't know if we can, like, support you if you're gonna do this, you know, to, like, showing up to New York a year later with, like, homemade shirts.

[Colin]

Yeah, there we go. Okay. So they got it.

[Anthony Green]

Yeah, they got it.

[Colin]

They got there eventually.

[Anthony Green]

Okay.

[Colin]

Beautiful.

[Beau]

62,000 records in it in a month or something for the first one.

[Anthony Green]

Is that what it is?

[Beau]

Yeah. You guys, it was huge.

[Colin]

Doesn't that sound insane by today?

[Anthony Green]

Actually sound insane? And it is. You'd be like, Rihanna.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Beau]

Straight up.

[Anthony Green]

Like, Drake doesn't sell.

[Beau]

But there's no marketing at that time. Like, it was just MySpace and, like, you were. Every and every teenage girl I knew was an Anthony Greenhead. So in my mind, I'm like, this guy.

But. But to them, I'm like, yeah, he's the best.

But now, now that I know the man they were. Right. Tell me about Zoloft, the rock and roll destroyer dude.

[Anthony Green]

That was so the first, like, when audience one wanted to record every, like, this day forward. Bands like, like Bazhena, which was like a local, like, they kind of sound like fugazi. They were like. They all recorded at this place called Skylight Studios. And it was sort of near Bristol. Like, it was like. And this dude had a studio that he worked out of. His dad had. And he was like. His dad did, like, gospel music and then he would do, like, punk and hardcore, and he recorded it everybody. And so, like, my goal was to, like, go there. And so we, like, we saved up money and, like, we went there and then did the record. And he was like, hey, would you want to, like, sing for this band? Like, I wanna. It's like, I want a guy and a girl singer. I don't want to sound kind of like that dog and like, you know, Old Weezer. And I was like, I'm in. I love this.

[Beau]

And insane.

[Anthony Green]

He also liked that I would write, like, he wrote songs and, like, almost all of the stuff that you hear from Zoloft like he wrote a lot of the lyrics and melodies for that.

[Beau]

Wow.

[Anthony Green]

But other times he would be like, hey, go at it. You know what I mean? And like, he liked that I would. Could go in the studio and just make stuff.

[Beau]

Is this the and so audience of one you're writing or you're writing?

[Anthony Green]

This guy, Vince Ratty. Vince Ratty, dude. He was the guitar player for Zola, for Rock and Roll Story. Wrote everything. Also recorded. He recorded like Life Once Lost. He mixed. He's recorded like all these crazy records, like brand new records. He's done all this stuff for circa. Like. And I would be. I wouldn't be here if it wasn't for this guy. He's the first dude who ever told me I could sing. First dude who has ever told me I could write a song or play a song or told me I had anything to offer. Like, he was. He was the first person that made me feel like I had something to show up for. And I wasn't just like imitating people. And he believed in me.

[Beau]

So this is where songwriter Anthony Green begins.

[Anthony Green]

Yeah, for sure. Like I did these songs with him or was kind of high in driving. I was gonna call this project and it became this like ep. And I wrote all these songs and had my drummer friend Tim Arnold, who's played on all of my solo stuff. He was just this like amazing jazz drummer. And he just showed up in the studio and we jammed the songs. Like I had the structures like all built out and he just put stuff down. We did this thing and Vince let me do it as like a favor. Like didn't charge.

[Beau]

Oh, beautiful.

[Anthony Green]

It was like a thing where like people from Seosin like heard those songs. Like some of that was like.

[Beau]

That really opened the door for the rest of your life.

[Anthony Green]

Yeah, Vince. Vince changed my life.

[Colin]

Damn.

[Anthony Green]

And a lot of people don't know how pivotal he is to other people. Like he's. He like. It's crazy. Like he's way more than just Olaf. Like that guy has.

[Beau]

He's still part of.

[Anthony Green]

He's still working, he still mixes and does all this crazy shit. He's a great dude.

[Beau]

Are you touring at all with these bands at this time?

[Anthony Green]

No, I never really. Like, I had one tour for audience of one that I was supposed to go on. My parents forbade me to go on like a day before because of some trouble I got in. And so the guy. What kind of trouble were you?

[Colin]

You're a bad kid, huh?

[Beau]

You're so naughty.

[Anthony Green]

It was like drug stuff.

[Beau]

So drugs you found real early.

Who. How. How are you getting access to all this stuff?

[Anthony Green]

Honestly, the. All the craziest drugs I ever found were in my house already. So, like, I remember buying weed and smoking weed in, like, eighth grade from, like, a kid that, like, I knew in, like, school that said they could get it, like, stole from their brother or something, but I got weed and then was scared to smoke it. And, like, I. I think I was hell bent on, like, being a drug addict before. I, like, I remember being a kid and being, like, fascinated by it and being like, I love that. Like, I kind of love that idea of, like, I'm not having control and not. And. I don't know, just something that seemed, like, kind of romantic about and pulled me in about it before I even did it.

[Colin]

Wow.

[Anthony Green]

Yeah.

[Beau]

When. How many times do you make a big conscious effort to stop?

[Anthony Green]

A lot in the. For the first time I ever made a conscious effort to stop. I was. Was before Sao Sin. I was in college. I was like, 18 or 19. I went to rehab for my first time for opiates. But also, like, Xanax was a big thing at the time. Like, it was, like, a long time ago, but it was.

[Beau]

And is this all just easy to get?

[Anthony Green]

It was. It was pretty easy to get. Like, you didn't know. Drug dealers in Philadelphia is very rich with heavy drugs, like, open air drug market and. Yeah. And then the suburb suburban kids. And like, honestly, like, I remember going to DARE class and learning about pills and coming home and being like, these are all in my house. Like, I know what to look for, you know? And so it was.

[Beau]

Dare to try these?

[Anthony Green]

Dare. Kind of. Yeah, I dare you to try this. Wow. And then taking one, like Demerol or something from my parents and thinking, like, how they're going to find it. And within two years, I was emptying all of the painkillers they had in the house and they never noticed, Never said a thing.

[Beau]

Wow. To this day.

[Anthony Green]

Yeah, to this day. To this day, we are still. Like, I had no idea.

[Colin]

Aha. Yeah, sure.

[Anthony Green]

But, like, I was the youngest of four boys, and the. My three brothers were like 10 years older than me. So it was like 10 years went by.

[Beau]

Yeah. That's a big.

[Anthony Green]

I. I came up and they were. They were sort of like, all right, this guy's good.

[Colin]

You know what?

[Anthony Green]

He's gonna be fine.

[Beau]

Yeah.

[Anthony Green]

Wow, man.

[Beau]

How. What's your relationship with your parents like today?

[Anthony Green]

It's cool. Like, we didn't talk for long. Like, it was cool. Like, I would say that it took a long time. It took a long time. Like there was just stuff where once I started having kids, it was like a thing where I was like I. I realized sort of that they were just trying their best and there was a lot of resentment I was holding on to for stuff that happened when I was a kid where I was like, yeah, you know what it's best thing for me is to like never talk to you and to not give you this and to not. And then I think once my kids started coming I realized like that actually only hurts me. And forgiving them, like forgiving them and realizing like they. It really isn't their fault either because they didn't have any of the fucking stuff, you know, they needed to do the stuff you don't deprive the kids.

[Colin]

Of grandparents either for sure.

[Anthony Green]

And you know, it felt better. It just. It feels good to have them in my life and to be able to like talk and in your kids lives and they, they. My kids love me mom and P. Pop. That's my mom and dad is Meemaw.

[Colin]

Nothing better than me mom people. That's it.

[Beau]

That's fun.

[Anthony Green]

It's like my, my mom is. Is Meemaw and other grandma is. Is me mom and Mimi. So they have a Mimi and a meme which is cool.

[Beau]

Are Mimi and Meemaw cool?

[Anthony Green]

Yeah, they're all.

[Beau]

Yeah, yeah.

[Colin]

Do you remember a time at birthday your four grandparents, two fathers met each other. Yeah, I know.

[Beau]

They would never. They would never. So when you get the call that hey, I know you're in Pennsylvania, but we need you in California.

[Anthony Green]

Yeah.

[Beau]

We're gonna start this band. It's called Seosin. Tell me your thoughts. Take me back.

[Anthony Green]

It took a while because at the time I was like in school and in like community college and I had gone to rehab and I was like kind of like trying to stay like off of drugs and like trying to stay clean and like I was gonna get my life together, you know. And so when this opportunity came up to go to California, I was like, this is sort of destabilizing for what I have going on right now. And I don't, I don't know if. I don't know if it's. And what's funny is two weeks out of. After I. A year before that I got asked to be in this band called In Pieces. I tried out for In Pieces. They were like a hardcore band from Connecticut. I think they turned into Bare Hands, you know those guys. And they were the coolest dudes and I Drove out to Connecticut and tried out for their band. And they were like, when? When can you go on tour?

[Beau]

Like, yes.

[Anthony Green]

My brother was like, dude, you just got out of rehab. You can't join this band right now. And so brother. My brother Mike, who introduced me to all this cool music, like, he really. He was the guy who was like, if you're meant to be in a band, this guy, this dude, if you're meant to be in a band, you're meant to be doing this shit. It'll be right when you're ready. And I took like this. I had faith in him and I had faith in that feeling. And when the SEO Sin thing came up, I was like, I'm not sure if I can do all this. And.

Those songs were so good. Like, I. I really liked them. Like, I was so excited about the idea that, like, oh, my God, like, I never saw this opportunity for myself to like, like, have art and music be, like, the same center of my life. And, like, I could be like. I remember telling my parents, like, I'm going to go to California. I'm going to sing for this band. They're like, like. And I had sad bands and stuff. They were like, you don't sing, dude.

[Colin]

Oh, I see.

[Anthony Green]

And I was like, I think I do. I know, but I'm going to try it anyway. Like, I was literally like, I know, but I'm going to figure it out. It's going to be awesome.

[Beau]

And then you did one record basically there for a year, and it would define.

A huge part of my life.

[Anthony Green]

I did my best Claudio Sanchez impression is that.

[Colin]

What is he a big influence?

[Anthony Green]

Humongous. I brought second stage to California to play. I remember being out with those guys and, like, we were listening. They were like, check out 18 Visions. Check out All American Rejects. I'm like, check out fucking. You know, Cody and Cambria. Yeah. And, you know, we were trading music back and forth. The sailors and dudes introduced me so much good music.

[Beau]

So you hear his register, Claudio's register, and you hear yourself in it.

[Anthony Green]

I. It wasn't even that. It was just that, like, it was better than anything I. I had ever attempted to try to do. And it was so realized and confident. Like, I definitely feel like he doesn't get enough credit for all of the people who sing. Like, high pitched. Like, people will all the time say shit to me about hype, you know, we know about my voice.

[Beau]

Your legendary tambour.

[Anthony Green]

This dude is the first guy in our world, I think, who did that.

[Beau]

Wow.

[Anthony Green]

You know, at Least in our era of it, like, and gate arguably gave me permission and paved the way for me to do all the stuff that I was able to do. Like, people didn't have a spot for it. For Claudio.

[Colin]

We already talked about that before we started rolling. And you guys would never know.

[Beau]

We just wanted. We wanted to.

[Colin]

So good on record.

[Anthony Green]

He is as a writer, like, all his melodies are so intuitive feeling like, you know, he. Like, when I hear him singing, I wonder how it's. How it works. Like. Like, as somebody who writes songs and writes melodies, like, to this day I hear his newest record and I'm like, how.

[Beau]

And his.

[Colin]

And he's got a right and left hand going shred. We just talked to him the other.

[Beau]

Day, and I still don't get it.

[Anthony Green]

Still don't understand.

[Colin]

He's a rude.

[Beau]

And sometimes he doesn't understand. It's awesome.

[Anthony Green]

I think a person like him is a good guide stone because I look to him and I see his focus is the craft. His focus is the song. He is. He isn't putting himself in the center of it. He is paying, you know, honor to something that's sort of greater than all of us. And in doing that, he's protected.

[Beau]

Yeah, that's true.

[Anthony Green]

And.

[Beau]

And he talks about how the story was to protect him.

[Colin]

That's a literal thing.

[Beau]

Genius.

[Colin]

Also, and not to give too much.

[Beau]

Away from that interview, it was last week.

[Colin]

You've seen it by now.

[Beau]

If you haven't, that's good.

[Colin]

Go check it out. He's completely obsessed. Like, his hobbies are music, synth and comic books. Things that lead him straight back to what he's doing.

[Anthony Green]

Art, music, creation. Like, he. That's. That's his nucleus.

[Beau]

So seosin this. This year that you're there, is it a year or is it a little more?

[Anthony Green]

It's a little more than a year. Yeah. But we did cool tours. Like, we toured with, like. Well, every time I die, there's a we. I'm in Malta. Remember time in Malta? Yeah. Oh, yeah.

[Colin]

There's a gif. There's a famous animated gif where dudes throwing his guitar, doing the thing, bass players jumping off the cab, and then you quickly stage dive, and it's one of the most chaotic, insane things.

[Beau]

Triple platinum on Tumblr.

[Anthony Green]

First sales show ever. Dude, was that this place in Riverside? Was that Showbox Theater?

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Anthony Green]

I feel like I've been there and it was great. You had to have been.

[Colin]

I feel like we've played.

[Anthony Green]

It was like this, like, legend Showbox showcase. Showcase.

[Beau]

Showcase Corona.

[Anthony Green]

Corona.

[Beau]

Yeah. Legendary.

[Anthony Green]

And I remember that was first sao. First SEO since show. And I was like hanging in the crowd while everybody was getting everything set up. And I like remember just feeling the energy in the crowd and I could hear people talking about the band and it was like I had never been in a band but like people knew or went to go see or anything like that. And that first show, it was. I never experienced it.

[Beau]

You knew?

[Anthony Green]

Yeah. It was like how people talk about like their first hit of some crazy drug. I was. I was sucked in. Crowd went off. People knew the words crazy. Like there it was. It was awesome. And it was just like this community feeling like I wasn't from California. But all these people like. Like they all were. And the California crowd were like adopted me as like a native.

[Beau]

Yeah.

[Anthony Green]

When I came back, I didn't know.

[Beau]

You were from pa, Right.

[Anthony Green]

Like when I came back with Circa, it was like we had hometown. We would play like Chain Reaction and we would play somewhere and it would be like playing in Philadelphia. Like it was crazy.

[Beau]

And as it was 2003, the first show or 2002, I'm not great. But by 2004, you're out. But by 2004, I'm telling you, every girl that I. Every teenage girl that I knew, head to toe, say Osin Gear. So when you say the first show popped off, i100.

[Anthony Green]

I feel like there was a lot of like girls that liked SEO Sin and their boyfriends being like, this band sucks.

[Beau]

But then. But then secretly being like, play the game.

[Colin]

Yeah, you can put that on, I guess.

[Anthony Green]

I don't care.

[Beau]

I guess. Turn it up. Whatever.

So tell me about touring on this record. What was that like?

[Anthony Green]

It was my first, like real touring.

[Beau]

Yeah.

[Anthony Green]

Like, I did some. I played shows and did like that. But it was my first world touring and I was out. I was out to the. I was drinking. I was having fun.

[Colin]

Is that on the wagon or off? I could never off. You were off that wagon.

[Anthony Green]

I was off that wagon. I was going to strange people's homes.

[Beau]

Yeah.

[Anthony Green]

I was going where the wind took me.

[Beau]

Does Seosin know about what you've been through up to now?

[Anthony Green]

We were all together.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Anthony Green]

Oh, like up till now?

[Beau]

Yeah. Do they know that you got out of rehab?

[Anthony Green]

Oh, yeah.

[Colin]

Oh.

[Anthony Green]

Oh, yeah.

[Beau]

Okay.

[Anthony Green]

We were young kids, you know.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Anthony Green]

We wanted to take responsibility for. And they. They weren't like partying super hard. Like, we all had a really good time. We had a good time together and it wasn't like crazy partying. We were just like, you know, 19 year olds on tour. Like, it was nuts, you know? But I. I definitely took it further than anybody, you know? Like, whereas everybody would, like, be like, kind of like fun partying. Like, I would be like, I would, like, need stuff for tomorrow, you know what I mean? And I. You'd have to worry that, like, police wouldn't get called in the house and steal something or something like that.

[Beau]

So you're. You're going. You're back to square one.

[Anthony Green]

Yeah, I was worse, probably.

[Beau]

Okay. Worse.

[Anthony Green]

Yeah.

[Colin]

Are you in a van at this time?

[Anthony Green]

Yeah.

[Colin]

Touring in a van.

[Anthony Green]

Mm. I can remember, like, waking up after, like, a night of, like, being blacked out. If you're, like, peeing all over the. Like, waking up and peeing in the van, not knowing I did it. And then like, the next day, waking up, not remembering it, and the van be like, yeah, we had to throw out all of our shit and, like, I'm sorry.

[Colin]

Wow.

[Beau]

You're the party guy.

[Anthony Green]

I was the bad. I was the, like. And it was like I was smoking cigarettes and weed all the time and, like, not singing great, you know, like, it was just like I was a liability. I really think of. I was. It was a different. It was.

[Beau]

But they. But it's like they don't see you quitting the band coming. Despite all this, despite being a liability. It seems like, like they had to do a nationwide audition search to. To find your replacement.

[Anthony Green]

I'm not sure it was like a premeditated thing. I think it was like, kind of like a. Like, as. Like, I impulsively was like, I'm gonna do that. I'm gonna try something else.

[Beau]

Really?

[Anthony Green]

Very impulsive.

[Beau]

It was not premeditated.

[Anthony Green]

No.

[Beau]

You just decided to leave?

[Anthony Green]

No, Like, I had scheduled to get my wisdom teeth out to go. Just to go, like, as an excuse to go home. And I was working at Smart Punk at the time, like, with like, you know, a couple days a week just for cash and just mail order and shit or what, like, packing the sales and stuff.

[Beau]

Oh, that's awesome.

[Anthony Green]

For sleep and other things. Just getting orders. And I went home and, like, hung out with Colin and we, like, listened to music he was making. I was like, damn, I'd love to sing over this. This is like more like the stuff, you know, that I. I'm, like, really attracted to at the time. Like, I was really starting to get into. Like, a marvel had just come out and, like, all these, like, praggy things were happening and I was like, kind of just feeling like I. At one point when we were in SEOs, and there was like, a thing where, you know, And I think in a kind way, in a way where they were trying to be like, hey, you know, you don't have to be here for the writing of the music if you don't want to, you know? And I might have taken it a different way, but I think they were just like. I think I know for a fact it came out of them being like, hey, whatever you need, we got you. But being a piece of shit and at the time, not really communicating, that could have been. I could have talked them about that and figured it out like that.

[Beau]

Like, I would like to write is probably all I would have said, you.

[Anthony Green]

Know, I was like, oh, they don't even want me to be there for the writing. Like, what am I doing? What are you doing here?

[Colin]

Yeah, yeah.

[Anthony Green]

Just total dumb drum bullshit. And I remember feeling like, to their credit, like, I felt like I don't know if I could handle being out there anymore. Like, I almost think, like, subconsciously I left to come back here to be around people that would keep me more accountable because they were just like, yeah, well, you do whatever you need to do to get by. As long as you show up and.

[Beau]

You take that place in the van.

[Anthony Green]

We were young. We were young. So, like, they didn't know how to take care of a fucking horrible drug addict. Do you know what I mean? And that's a lot to put on people.

[Beau]

Do they know the extent of.

[Anthony Green]

They do now.

[Beau]

Okay.

[Colin]

But not at the time.

[Anthony Green]

At the time. No way.

[Colin]

Sure.

[Anthony Green]

Yeah. And they were as supportive as they could have been. I probably have been. And, like, they. There's a lot of chapters in my book that I would. That all would have the same title, which is. I would have done things a lot differently here. Show would have done things a lot differently.

[Beau]

But something that grateful how it all.

[Anthony Green]

Worked out, of course, you know, like. But I wish that I had communicated better, you know, Took us a long time. I was scared of those guys. I was, like, scared. And we reconciled. It was like, one of the greatest moments of my life, you know, to have them back in my life and to not worry about that, to. To not have, like, you know, felt the same as, like, having my parents back in my life.

[Beau]

That's beautiful.

[Anthony Green]

Wow.

[Beau]

And then you got to write another record.

[Anthony Green]

Yeah. Which was one of my favorite records of all time.

[Beau]

How. How collaborative was it?

[Anthony Green]

Extremely.

[Beau]

Okay.

[Anthony Green]

Extremely. You know, like, you know, but at the same time, like, at that point, everything they sent Me, I was just like, this is so sick. Like, I'm not, like, trying to, like.

[Beau]

At that point, how you felt when the band started.

[Anthony Green]

Yeah, that's kind of like when I'm playing with guys like Beau. Like, I don't need to worry about the riffage. You know what I mean? Like, I just want my contributing part to be as cool as his thing. Like, none of the bands I'm in, I really have to, like, I don't go in there and I'm like, once, if I have an idea, it's welcome. But, like, I love being in a project where I can just, like, sing.

[Beau]

And just worry about, oh, dude, I'm dying for it.

[Anthony Green]

It's cool.

[Beau]

I would love to be a part of one someday. Circa Survive starts. You go home, you. You take your ball, you head home.

[Anthony Green]

We can't talk about Circa. I'm just joking.

I'm sorry.

[Beau]

That's awesome.

[Colin]

So it was a year. Say I sent some touring.

[Anthony Green]

Yep. Came home.

[Colin]

You heard Circus stuff before it was Circus.

[Anthony Green]

I heard, like, Colin had demos that he wrote. Like, just him, just him writing instrumental music. And I was like, this is fucking crazy.

[Colin]

Wow.

[Anthony Green]

And then there was a couple times where I was home, I had, like, got my wisdom teeth out. I'm sure I had, like, a bunch of Percocet where we were just, like, sitting around, like, jamming. And I was like, this is so cool because we were jamming and I was singing along to it in real time. And it just felt like more like what I wanted to be a part of. And. And I didn't have to go through all of, like, you know, the communication to get to it. And like, he was in, you know, this. In this day forward as long as I knew him. So when this day forward had broken up, we would, like, be texting on the road, like, oh, dude, we should start a band together. I always wanted to start. I just worshiped Colin from, like, the minute I met him. Like, he was the drummer this day forward, but he also had other bands that he played with. And I just sort of was like an apostle. I was like, everything he did, I showed up to. And he was, like, the kindest person. Everybody wanted to be his friend. And I was one of the only other people that smoked weed. And I think, like, by default, like, we just ended up, like, hanging out and getting along and like, some of my favorite, like, memories back then was just, like, going to his house and just driving around his block and listening to music. And, like, you know, that's what Shapes us.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Beau]

And now you're part of the creative process in a way that you didn't get before.

[Anthony Green]

Yeah, it was cool.

[Beau]

You're there. Circus vibe is that.

[Anthony Green]

And we got to, like, pick. It was really fun. It was exciting times. Like, it was a really exciting time. Like, I remember being really scared, like, thinking, like, if. I remember being scared, leaving saves and thinking, like, I don't know if I just shot myself in the.

[Colin]

Yeah. Was that it?

[Anthony Green]

Am I going to. I'm gonna watch this band just get massively successful and then I'm gonna, like, be like, remember? You know what I mean?

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Anthony Green]

And. Yeah, it was kind of buried my head.

[Colin]

Hey, and when you're buried.

[Anthony Green]

I didn't write that song. Okay. I just sort of got into a zone where I was like, I'm just gonna make music and have fun and be friends and. And not worry about anything. And then I did, like, watch them become massively successful and do their thing. And I. I think, like, cheering them on helped.

[Beau]

Yeah, that's huge.

[Anthony Green]

Like, it was never a thing where, like, I never wanted anything bad for them. You know what I mean? I just, like, wanted to feel happier and I couldn't put that on them. I. The way everything ended up working out in the long run was great. I put them through so much.

[Beau]

So much so fast.

[Anthony Green]

So fast. And they didn't deserve that. They didn't deserve that at all. And they're. They're like some of the coolest people I've ever got to play with. I'm lucky.

[Beau]

But this is just how life goes.

[Anthony Green]

Yeah.

[Beau]

And who knows if Circa exists without it.

[Anthony Green]

Yeah. It probably wouldn't have you.

[Beau]

Turner. First album, Talk to Me, Take Me Back, Turning Days, baby.

[Anthony Green]

And, you know, just the guys in the band, it's like Nick Beard from Taken, you know, and the Jar drummer Steve Clifford was like, this kid who was like a virtuoso who could not only was one of the greatest drummers we tried out, but was just like, wrote songs, had music where it was like, full song singing, like, incredible musician. And then Brendan, who played guitar for this Day Forward, was just like, in my mind. And I don't know if this is factual, so I don't want to upset, like, Vadim or anybody from this day forward, but, like, in my mind, like, when Brendan came to this day Forward is when they started getting, like, more experimental and, like, it was like, a little bit less, like, straightforward breakdowny and more like space rock into breakdowny, like, kind of. And was really, like, exciting to me. To be able to play with him because he's one of my favorite songwriters, like, one of my favorite guitar players, Brendan Ekstrom. Just the best. And so the band, in and of itself, I was like, I got this guy playing guitar who I worship. He's like, one of my favorite people. I've always wanted to be in a band with. His guitar player from my. One of my favorite hardcore bands of all time this day. Forward Nick from Taken, who I met when I was in California, and this other young guy who was just probably one of the best drummers I ever got to play with. Just could write on the spur of the moment, play anything, and was, like. Had a. Had a. Like a really creative spirit. Was just down to do shit.

[Beau]

Sometimes you can have five talented, creative people who don't mesh well together.

[Anthony Green]

Absolutely.

[Beau]

And you happened to have the opposite of that.

[Colin]

It was one of your favorite bands. I like that.

[Beau]

That's true.

[Anthony Green]

Yeah. What? Mesh. Mesh well, who don't?

[Colin]

That's just a dig at some bands I don't like that he likes. I saw you guys on this record, touring, opening for Saves the Day at the Metro in Chicago.

[Anthony Green]

Okay.

[Colin]

You started the set, like, acapella. It's like three minutes straight of just you going out there, arms behind your back. Yeah, belting. How do you go from I think I can do this to doing that? Where do you find the confidence to do such a thing?

[Anthony Green]

Like, I think this is a cliche answer for this, but by the mercy of my teachers, I watched, like, people like David Byrne, people who, like, have the opportunity and then seize it, to do something that, you know, feels visceral and feels, like, not expected. That was, like, what circa was like, my opportunity to try whatever I wanted to. And with people who are also like, all right, you want to go do this? We got you. You know, it might be awkward, but we got you, you know?

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Anthony Green]

I don't really know. Honestly. A lot of it just comes from wanting to seize the opportunity to, like, have that feeling that.

[Beau]

Carpe the dm.

[Anthony Green]

Yeah. If you know that feeling when you're out there and you're like. Like you're doing something true for yourself, there's like, a harmony in that. Even if it's slightly embarrassing or even if it's like, you can.

[Beau]

What you're seeing, it connects with people, and it's like, oh, I know you're into this, man. I see you're.

[Colin]

Well. And I will say, like, you do that for 20 seconds. Yeah, that's awkward. You get into minute two, and you're like, oh, this. This is crazy. Like, this guy is incredible. And the whole room is silent.

[Anthony Green]

Yeah.

[Colin]

Watching it happen, happened, you know, that's cool. It's amazing.

[Anthony Green]

That left an impression. And also, Saves the Day was arguably one of my favorite bands growing up. So, like, getting to go from a Saves a Day fan at their shows to, like, hanging out with, you know, Chris and getting up. And also at that time. Oh, no, it was at the tour. Yeah, at that time they had Manny and Garage from Glass Jaw.

[Colin]

Yes.

[Anthony Green]

That's the rhythm section.

[Colin]

Yes, they did.

[Anthony Green]

And David was still playing guitar.

[Colin]

Yep.

[Anthony Green]

Dave was still like, that. Just alone was like, for me as a kid, loving Glass Jaw, loving Saves the Day. Just like, I was like, oh, my God. Like, I felt very much, very accepted, you know, like, it was really cool. And there were times where, like, they would have a venue where there would be one dressing room. And Saves the Day was on a bus. So they'd, like. Circa gets the dressing room.

[Colin]

Yeah, we'll be on the bus.

[Anthony Green]

And they would take a member, you know, whenever, to, like, stay on the bus and, you know, get you drunk and, like, it was like, at the time, it was really fun. It was really fun.

[Beau]

Very.

[Colin]

Was that early on in the record cycle?

[Anthony Green]

Yeah, that was. That was, like, in the beginning of us touring. It was one of the biggest tours we ever did.

[Beau]

Cool.

[Anthony Green]

We were still in a van at that. That point. And I think a lot of people heard from. Heard of us, you know, from that time.

[Colin]

I mean, that was absolutely how I heard of you guys. And you had the banner with the girl.

[Anthony Green]

Yeah.

[Colin]

You know, the album art, very iconic, you know.

[Beau]

There she is.

[Colin]

There she is.

[Beau]

You posed for that.

[Anthony Green]

20 hours.

[Beau]

Wow. I knew you could do it. You're doing acapella.

[Anthony Green]

Honestly, Issa, the guy who does the artwork for Circa, he's done everything.

[Beau]

Yeah.

[Anthony Green]

Like, almost no direction. He just gets music and that's it. And he just hears it. And just, like, he has built so much, like, artistically around the band.

[Beau]

There was a Frankenstein poster for the new movie that I was like, they just ripped off the Circus of.

[Colin]

Oh, no.

[Beau]

Yeah, it looks identical.

[Colin]

I was going to say. That reminds me, it's the Hans. The opposite of the Hans Zimmer thing for. Is it Interstellar? Where he just got the story.

[Beau]

Just heard. Yeah. He just told him. This is what I want you to feel, dude.

[Anthony Green]

That soundtrack, that, that, those.

[Beau]

Those notes, it's a masterpiece.

[Anthony Green]

And it's simple.

[Colin]

I know it is, but deceptive. But the doodle yeah, the docking sequence. Come on.

[Anthony Green]

That movie fucked me up. Because I was on.

[Colin]

I would.

[Anthony Green]

I think I left for a European tour or something right when that came out. And I got it on my computer and I had little kids at that, dude. And so, like, I was crying.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Anthony Green]

I watch it over and over again. I think I was that and. Or I had that and like maybe Inception or something. And there was two movies with like little kids. Then I had to do a thing to get back there for him, man. Yeah. That movie so good. Holy.

[Beau]

I'm gonna call the kids.

[Colin]

Every time.

[Anthony Green]

Michael Kane. Just like a performance of like, you know, a lifetime.

[Beau]

Yeah.

[Anthony Green]

You know.

[Beau]

Agreed.

[Anthony Green]

And it's, you know, it's. It's been on the TV in here, dude.

[Beau]

I've watched it five times, fucking me up every time I. I gotta turn my TV off.

[Anthony Green]

It's brutal. Timothy Shamlot.

[Colin]

Timothy Shamlot, early role for him, dude.

[Beau]

Two minutes on screen, smokes every minute.

[Colin]

And I heard a thing recently. He was bummed cuz there was a lot more.

[Anthony Green]

He got cut out. Some of the stuff.

[Beau]

I think he said he didn't get cut and that like, that was everything he shot. And he was like, holy. That was it.

[Anthony Green]

You know what he said? He said, you know the scene where he's crying, where Matthew McConaughey is crying in front of the thing? He's like, that's like this famous clip. But he's crying because he's watching him, but he's nowhere in it. And he was like mentioning how like that famous meme is like, I'm not in it, but I am like he is talking to me during the thing.

[Colin]

Oh, I see.

[Anthony Green]

Like, I am talking when he's crying.

[Colin]

Damn.

[Beau]

Beautiful. Do you have any.

[Anthony Green]

I saw that Bob Dylan movie and became like a dude.

[Beau]

I've been kind of. I was anti Shamalay.

[Anthony Green]

I was very anti shamal.

[Beau]

Shamalat.

[Anthony Green]

Is that. How is it Shamalame, Adam.

[Beau]

First couple years, years, I was like, all right, this little burst onto the scenes and everything. Dune.

[Colin]

Dune.

[Beau]

Dune is all I need.

[Anthony Green]

I've never seen.

[Beau]

Dude, dude, you're gonna be all in. You're gonna be a Shyamalaniac.

[Colin]

What's Dune? What's the Jerusalem movie that he's in? Kingdom of Heaven, I think.

[Beau]

No, no, the King, right?

[Colin]

Is it the King?

[Beau]

Yeah. With Robert Pattinson.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Beau]

In the franchise.

[Colin]

He's fantastic.

[Anthony Green]

Okay.

[Colin]

Robert Pattinson up so much.

[Beau]

He is doing the French accent and then. And Chalamet's British, whereas Chalamet's French. In real life.

[Anthony Green]

And is he French in real life?

[Beau]

He speaks fluent French too. He's got that going for him too. You little bastard. God damn. So, Ju Turner, tell me, Walk me back to the writing, recording. Any, any anecdotes come to mind?

[Anthony Green]

I think I was in. I think I. I think I was in France or something with LS Dunes. And I think Shyamala was doing Bob Dylan movie over there. And I was like, come hang.

[Beau]

He respond, no.

Chalamet, if you're Shyamalay, if you're watching, come to this.

[Anthony Green]

You know, he watches Come to the.

[Beau]

Next Cohee Cruise man. We'll all, you know, we'll all be here.

[Anthony Green]

Sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt.

[Colin]

No, no, you're doing good.

[Beau]

Tell me about maintaining your voice because I need help.

Well, what do we do?

[Anthony Green]

I could go down this, like, laundry list of shit that I know exists. Yeah. But the reality of it is, is this is just. It's rock and roll. It's rock and roll.

[Colin]

See, that's a. That's a. A man with a gift of a voice who doesn't have to worry about it as much. Is that what it is?

[Anthony Green]

When I stopped worrying thing, I never would, like, okay, if I. You know what? I'll do the daily thing where I won't really. I won't play more than three or four shows in a row just because I know my voice. As I get older, it's harder. But I don't do like some fancy warm ups. Even back in the day I. I tried stuff.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Anthony Green]

I would go through like phases where like, people would turn me on to something and I'd be like, oh, I'll do this thing. But then the one day I don't do it, I'm like, I don't really need that. And I sing all day.

[Beau]

Yeah.

[Anthony Green]

Like, so I'm waking up and I'm playing guitar and I'm like, I think.

[Beau]

That'S probably that you're practicing and exercising the muscle all the time. He's warm.

[Anthony Green]

1,000%.

[Beau]

You're just different.

[Anthony Green]

I will.

[Beau]

You're different.

[Anthony Green]

I'm like naturally loud. So, like, talking, I think opens my voice up too.

[Beau]

So.

[Anthony Green]

Yeah, I don't know, I just don't. When I used to worry about it, I had a lot more issues. But there's been nights where I'm like, I don't think I can do it. And I'm like, I don't think I can do it. And then I take a bunch of multivitamins, I do it and I'm fine. And I think that the. The being in your head really does.

[Beau]

You up, and I'm all in there.

[Anthony Green]

Because if you're worried that you can't do it.

[Beau]

Yeah.

[Anthony Green]

If you're super worried that, like, then your brain thinks, like, oh, I'm gonna. I don't do this, or I'm gonna hurt him. You know what I mean? Like, block you from. There's a thing.

[Beau]

So what do I do to stop worrying, Anthony? That's what I need.

[Anthony Green]

Practice.

[Beau]

Shit. It's never the same, though.

[Anthony Green]

I know.

[Beau]

You know, dude, I'll be at practice, headphones on. I'll be like, I'm literally fucking Fergie.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Anthony Green]

Yeah.

[Beau]

My name is Fergie.

[Anthony Green]

Yes.

[Beau]

And then I'll get to the show, and I'm like, this is a different guy. This is not Will. I am not.

[Anthony Green]

Whenever, like, we're. If I, like, take weeks off and then go to a practice. Will, I am not.

[Colin]

Yeah, we can move on.

[Anthony Green]

I'm sorry.

As soon as you kick the rust off, it's bad. It's never good the first time. I think part of whoever gets to be pro gets. Is whoever gets past that, like, not being perfect right away and to, like, you know, to the part where it sounds cool to you to go out and do.

[Colin]

There's nothing worse than, like, the first show of the first tour back in Europe or something where it's like, yeah, there's a lot of rust.

[Anthony Green]

Yeah. And you also. I forget how to be on stage if I haven't played on stage. Like, if I've spent all summer playing acoustic guitar on stage, and then I have to go up and, like, sing for a band where I'm just singing. Like, I'm like, what do I do?

[Colin]

Yeah, my arms.

[Anthony Green]

What do I do?

[Beau]

You did great on the deck. You did fantastic. Shades.

[Anthony Green]

Muscle memory.

[Beau]

I was very.

[Anthony Green]

Dude, the shades on first set was, like, one of my favorite things.

[Beau]

It's genius.

[Colin]

Shades on is great.

[Beau]

Blocking out the haters. I tried it because of that. I saw you do it. I was like, I gotta do this on.

[Anthony Green]

It looked cool, too, because they kept falling off. Have you ever seen the Dreamwalker? You know, Michael Jackson thing where he's like, moonwalker. Yes. Eddie Annie. Yeah.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Anthony Green]

That he. Joe Pesci. Joe Pesci plays a bad guy who wants to take music from people, right?

[Beau]

Yeah.

[Anthony Green]

And I think he wears.

[Beau]

Yeah, dude, I. Unbelievable.

[Colin]

Who did that video?

[Beau]

It was like a movie.

[Anthony Green]

Who did that Disney thing? Michael Landau.

[Beau]

Oh, did Michael Landau.

[Anthony Green]

I mean, not that I know Probably. I don't know.

[Beau]

But Scorsese did bad, which he didn't know.

[Colin]

And then. Yeah, I didn't know that. I did not. And then doesn't Michael turn into, like, Mecca Michael. And he, like, like, shoots him.

[Anthony Green]

Yes.

[Colin]

He turns into, like.

[Anthony Green]

Turns into, like, a giant thing that, like. And takes care. And then.

[Colin]

Yeah, so true.

[Anthony Green]

I had a glove.

[Beau]

You did?

[Anthony Green]

My mom made me a glove.

[Colin]

Like.

[Anthony Green]

Yeah. And I, like. My parents would, like. My brothers were in high school, so they would, like, have their dances where they would, like, go and shut. My parents would chaperone, and I. They'd have to. I'd have to go because I was, like, sick. Yeah. And, like, Michael Jackson would come on, and I'd take out my glove and put it on. I'd start dancing and, like, I'd get. People would, like, make a little, like, the high school kids.

And that's where I got the. I swear to God that. That's where I was like, all right, I want to fucking.

[Colin]

I need to perform.

[Anthony Green]

I want it. I want to dance for the.

[Beau]

Is there a Michael Jackson track? So Michael Jackson got me into pop music.

[Colin]

Same.

[Beau]

And it's a deep cut that got me in Speed Demon up from bad Speed Demon.

[Anthony Green]

Guitar stuff on, dude.

[Beau]

Quincy did not play, and Toto was the back.

[Colin]

That's the whole backing band that.

[Anthony Green]

I didn't know that.

[Colin]

It's literally Toto on everything. Plus, like, Eddie Van Halen, you know.

[Anthony Green]

That's cool.

[Beau]

That's why thrillers. Paul McCartney, the number one. Yeah.

[Anthony Green]

I got to one night have sherbet with Quincy Jones.

[Beau]

Sherbert.

[Anthony Green]

Yeah, I ate. He had sherbert. And he offered me some of his sherbet night. Ate some. It was at one of Zed's concerts in, like, Vegas where, like, Quincy Jones came to hang out. And, like, he was just there with, like, his gaggle of people and, like, he was sitting with them. And I just, like, took the opportunity to go over and be like, sup, dude?

[Beau]

What do you.

[Anthony Green]

He hit my weed pen. Yeah. He was like, oh, there we go. I got raspberry sherbert. You want something? I'm like, yep.

He gave me his card. Wow.

[Beau]

You never. You never called.

[Colin]

Now, that interview he did, I think with the New Yorker, where he talks shit on Michael and says that I did everything on those. How do you feel about that?

[Beau]

I mean, I think he's the greatest producer of all time, but Elvis didn't write shit.

[Colin]

No, no, no.

[Beau]

And I guess my question is, do.

[Colin]

You believe the veracity?

[Beau]

Oh, 100. Okay.

[Anthony Green]

Quincy Jones, he's like the. He's like the Rick to life of pop music.

[Colin]

He just talks.

[Anthony Green]

He's talking shit, taking credit for everything.

[Beau]

But one of them is 100. Right. And one of them produced bad.

[Anthony Green]

Yeah. I'm almost 100 sure that Michael had to collaborate. Oh.

[Beau]

I mean, 100.

[Colin]

Yeah. I mean, there's even stuff in studio stuff where he's like humming a melody.

[Anthony Green]

Yeah.

[Beau]

Of making wear other world where everybody's blowing it and he's just sitting there.

[Colin]

Like, oh, that's incredible. Cyndi Lauper is like.

[Beau]

He's like.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Beau]

Pardon this interruption. You know damn well we hate to interrupt this unbelievable episode with Anthony Green, but we got to tell you about a few things. How many things, Beau?

[Colin]

At least three things.

[Beau]

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[Colin]

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[Beau]

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[Colin]

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[Beau]

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[Colin]

I've heard of this.

[Beau]

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[Colin]

It sounds like an exaggeration or anything, but I literally wear something from Guilty Party every single day somewhere on my body, and I will continue to do so until it falls off.

[Beau]

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[Colin]

Yes.

[Beau]

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[Colin]

Dude.

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[Beau]

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[Colin]

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[Beau]

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[Colin]

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[Beau]

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[Colin]

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[Beau]

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[Colin]

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[Beau]

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[Colin]

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[Beau]

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[Colin]

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[Beau]

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[Colin]

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[Beau]

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[Colin]

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[Anthony Green]

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[Beau]

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[Colin]

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[Colin]

Bye.

[Beau]

So on letting go. Second, tell me about making this. Any memories that come to mind.

[Anthony Green]

I was terribly addicted to Xanax.

[Beau]

On this record, Xanax.

[Anthony Green]

I would order it online. I would order from like a pharmacy, like a foreign pharmacy. So you had to pay like 300 bucks to like become part of this pharmacy to get like a one time order. And it was like, it would come in a DVD case.

[Colin]

Whoa.

[Anthony Green]

And that was like. I got to that point because I was cleaning people out that would get it. I was like, I couldn't get enough.

[Beau]

How many Xanax are you doing a day at this point?

[Anthony Green]

I would probably, I don't know, need another. Like a bar. Like a bar. Two a day.

[Beau]

Is that. I say. I don't know the measurement.

[Anthony Green]

The bar, I think is like. It's like four of the blue ones, which I believe are two points. Five. It's. I mean, I've been out of the game.

[Colin]

We gotta keep Kurt Angle. 50.

[Anthony Green]

I'm not a war stories guy.

[Colin]

How does that make you feel?

[Anthony Green]

I'm not. You know, it's the war stories.

[Colin]

No, no, that. Kurt Angle, professional wrestler.

[Anthony Green]

Okay.

[Colin]

From Pa.

[Anthony Green]

Okay.

[Colin]

From Pittsburgh. Pro wrestler was Viking.

[Beau]

Right.

[Anthony Green]

50.

[Beau]

65 Vicodin.

[Colin]

65 Vicodin, yeah.

[Anthony Green]

So I could see that for sure when I. When I would get. So I had a doctor that prescribed me Vicodin from my knee. It was 10 milligrams. And I would. Yeah, I would take 10 at a time. Wow.

[Colin]

For sure.

[Anthony Green]

And that. What you're doing your liver.

[Colin]

Oh, man.

[Anthony Green]

And things to where people were like, you'll die if you do that. You're like, I was doing them and I was fine. So I was like. I had more. I had more like, guts.

[Beau]

And does that. Does that.

[Anthony Green]

I was never gonna.

[Beau]

Does that high compare to the hardest thing you can do.

[Anthony Green]

I'm. Vicodin. No, it's like the best. I feel like at the time, the best thing that I ever had was either like straight heroin from Philadelphia. It was like the best heroin, which is. You could get anywhere. We go to California, all you get was tar. And it. You'd have to smoke twice as much.

[Beau]

You smoked heroin?

[Anthony Green]

Yeah.

[Colin]

So you weren't. Did you ever shoot up if you don't.

[Anthony Green]

I did. I did. But I didn't make the practice out of it. It was like too. It was too much. The ritual is like much. And the ritual, it hits harder too. So, like, by the time I shot anything, it was like. Was when fentanyl was. And so you're out.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Anthony Green]

And you. I couldn't. You can't afford to be clocked out, you know, for 30 minutes wherever you were. Like, it was like. It was maybe less intense of a hit, but smoking it was just more efficient for me for a while. But then that became a thing everybody could smell. So I was trying to snort it in between then, which would, like, not as good, but, like, when you're sick, you're just doing it and there's like this tranq that is in there now. And I think at the time it was eating away at. I started getting these, like, massive headaches toward the end. Like this last time. You know, it's. It's been about like four years. Almost four years.

[Beau]

Congrats.

[Colin]

Congratulations.

[Anthony Green]

And my head, like, I was. I had an infection that was back there from this trunk, like, get. Constantly getting put in there. And I was. My head hurt to the touch, and I didn't matter how much I smoked or snorted or did, like, I was never not hurting from this. That was happening. And I didn't know. And it was weeks of it. And I got put on antibiotics for stuff and it was still hurting. And I was like, not telling the doctor.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Anthony Green]

You know, and they're like, seeing something's up, but I'm like, sinus infection, at some point, it's just gonna hit the wrong spot and I'm gonna bleed out.

[Beau]

Yeah.

[Colin]

Whoa.

[Anthony Green]

Really good, that.

[Beau]

Yeah. I mean, straight up. Congrats, man.

[Colin]

Yeah. It's for.

[Beau]

For your family, for yourself, everything. It's.

[Anthony Green]

Honestly, there. There's like a point in time where you, like, stop caring about yourself because you cycled yourself into this, like, you know, feeling of, like, hopelessness, meaninglessness. But for the kids.

[Beau]

Yeah.

[Anthony Green]

For the family, it's like, dude, they deserve. You know, there's like, I remember a point where I was like, everybody be better off without you. You. I don't want to. You know, this is like too much. And then hearing my conscience say, you, you. You know that's not true. They'd be better off if you stop being such a wuss and you faced whatever you were facing and you got good and you were good for them. That's what. That would be better. This is a cop out. And thank God for that.

[Beau]

Yeah, absolutely. And how. How difficult is maintaining this four years later right now?

[Anthony Green]

It's great. Today is good. I take it one day at a time.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Anthony Green]

But I gotta be honest. This last time, getting clean, I. I started doing this thing in the beginning, and it was a sublocade shot.

[Beau]

Yeah.

[Anthony Green]

And it was a once a month thing that was like a blocker. So even if I decided to be like, I'm Gonna go. I couldn't. Or I couldn't really. It would take me so much to override it, and I'd probably die. Okay. And so that was the first time I'd ever tried any. Anything like that. And I had been on maintenance of other kind before.

[Colin]

Is that for opiates specifically?

[Anthony Green]

Specifically. I think some people actually do it for alcohol too, because I think they say it kills cravings.

[Beau]

Okay.

[Colin]

I know there's. And there's an abuse, right?

[Anthony Green]

For alcohol. If you drink on an abuse, you get very sick. It's a crazy drug too. The history of that drug is really funny if you ever want to look weird. Dark history. But it's really cool when you find the thing that works for you, that puts space so that you can actually think about what you're doing and you can actually like, like audit yourself. Be like, wait a second, this is. I don't want to live like this. You know what I mean? And. And a lot of people don't have the resources that I've had to, like, get the chances and all that shit. So I was like, very lucky and very fortunate.

[Colin]

Wow.

[Anthony Green]

Yeah.

[Beau]

So this. I mean, this conversation started because of me asking you about On Letting Go. Is that. Does this. Like that particularly. Is that what kind of defines this record for you in this time frame?

[Anthony Green]

Honestly, it sounds. It sounds so bad after, like, saying all this, but the odd letting goes. Heavily inspired by the second season of Lost. That was also, dude, like crazy.

[Beau]

Why the others?

[Colin]

That's when the. That's when we get the others. That's like the hatch.

[Anthony Green]

It's pretty much all.

[Beau]

Dude.

[Anthony Green]

Desmond.

[Colin]

Desmond.

[Anthony Green]

So almost all of online and go is pretty much inside inspired by the second season. I was also struggling with Xanax. And you got Charlie.

There was lots of going on there. And I. I feel like. I hate. I almost hate that I told people that you could keep it in there.

[Beau]

No, dude, it's unbelievable.

[Anthony Green]

We were always like, oh, what's this about? Whatever. But it's like, I almost hate the people we're gonna find out about. Their first song's called Living Together. And I wanted to have a song called Living Together. A song called Dying Alone. Because it was like living, you know?

[Beau]

Yeah, dude, that. I mean, I just watched Lost again.

[Anthony Green]

Did you?

[Beau]

Yes. And second season, I. Because my wife had never seen it. So we're watching first season. I'm like. She's like, this is so good. I'm like, you don't even know yet.

[Colin]

Yeah, right.

[Beau]

You haven't met Desmond.

[Anthony Green]

Yeah.

[Beau]

And Then we get to Desmond, and he's.

[Colin]

He's the goat. And then you get to the flash forward at the end of season three.

[Anthony Green]

Yes.

[Beau]

Oh, it's brutal.

[Anthony Green]

Oh, my God.

[Colin]

We got to go back. That broke my.

[Anthony Green]

Each episode has stuff where you could write a song. Like, you could write a song. There's, like, lyrics. There's, like, stuff. There's, like, stuff said on that show where I'm like, that's a first thing I ever binged.

[Colin]

Yeah, same thing.

[Anthony Green]

Same circa. Used to watch together. We used to all get together and watch.

[Beau]

So they. They hear you're writing. It's Lost season two concept record. You're like, yes.

[Anthony Green]

At the time, if it was, like, super conscious or, like, even said anything about that, but we were watching it all the time. Okay.

[Colin]

We harmsway watched the finale together.

[Beau]

Beautiful. Were you disappointed? Of course.

[Colin]

At the time. At the time.

[Beau]

I like it now.

[Colin]

I say I binged it, but I actually endured through the writer strike.

[Beau]

Me too. And then that season came, and it was like, I gotta watch this. You waited every week?

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Anthony Green]

Like, wait. I was swore somebody told me it wasn't gonna be like, yeah, like, all weird. I'm just waiting for the nice little. Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Beau]

So it was Blue Sky Noise. Is that Lost season three?

[Anthony Green]

Blue Sky Noise.

[Colin]

Juliet, Honestly.

[Anthony Green]

So we signed to a major label, and there was this, like. We were surrounded by people who were like, you're gonna be the next Coldplay, or you're gonna be the next this or you're gonna be like. And then. And they were kind people who, like, like, you know, looked at music in a different way. They're like moved. Moving units type of people. Like, Craig Kellman over at.

Atlantic Records was like, the coolest dude. He was really nice to us, but it was just. I don't think we fit what they really wanted. They had a, you know, Portugal demand, got signed at the same time. And I think they were more interested in trying to make, like, like, weird pop music. Whereas, like, I didn't even know what I was doing. Like, I didn't know what I was doing. I wasn't ready, I think, for what we could have done on that label. But that record was really hard for me to make because, like, I had just started having, like, kids, and I. We had had a couple miscarriages right before that happened, and I went. It was my first time in a mental institution. So I, like, enduring the writing of that record. Spent some time institutionalized. I was struggling really hard with alcohol. Was the first time People started. I had gotten diagnosed with like, mental stuff. Like, I had people suggesting that I was schizophrenic and then giving me drugs for that, and then people suggesting that I had like all these different things that would like, like later become, oh, this is like drug induced sort of psychosis.

[Colin]

Oh, wow.

[Anthony Green]

But it was just really hard. I was going from medication to medication. Like some things I would like making you sick all the time. Other things make you lose weight and other. You're gaining weight and some things make you massively depressed and your dick doesn't work and all these things. It was like a really troublesome time for me. And I remember linking. The record was cool and did great, but I was really lost.

[Beau]

Dude, I love this, man. So this is.

[Anthony Green]

This letting go. I mean, Blue Sky.

[Beau]

Know it.

[Anthony Green]

This is.

[Beau]

This is where you got me.

[Anthony Green]

Cool.

[Beau]

So you did. You were on the Coheed Torch tour.

[Anthony Green]

Yeah.

[Beau]

And I had. I wasn't really familiar at all.

[Anthony Green]

Oh, God, that Torch is so sweet.

[Beau]

This is the first time I ever see you.

[Anthony Green]

Did you see me play with Torch?

[Beau]

No, but Torch is playing and you're side stage the whole time. You're next. You're not warming up, you're not stretching.

[Anthony Green]

That was.

[Beau]

You're violently air drumming to Torch, start to finish. And I'm like, who the fuck is this guy who rules? And then. And then, like unceremoniously, you just walk out and play next. I'm like, what the fuck he's not doing? How is he ready to do this?

[Anthony Green]

When you're. When your bands that you're playing with get you hyped.

[Colin]

Oh, yeah.

[Anthony Green]

You know, it's like when you're a little kid and you watch like Back to the Future and you go home, you want to build a time machine, you know, I mean, like, I love watching a band that gets me into playing. Oh, my God. Just makes the show so much.

[Beau]

And then you open with get out. And my brother and I are. There we go. We're there to see Kohi. We love Torch.

[Anthony Green]

We open with that.

[Beau]

You open with that.

[Anthony Green]

And we always play that last. It's so funny because I.

[Beau]

Well, it just didn't. It was a single. I don't think the record was even out yet. So Taylor and I are pretty tough critics.

[Anthony Green]

Yeah.

[Beau]

And he finished that song and we're like, sick.

[Anthony Green]

No way.

[Beau]

Yeah. So you. You got us right there with. With Blue Sky.

[Anthony Green]

Yeah. See, I think the reason why that record resonates a lot with people is like the whole band really got together on making that record, like, we really came together songwriting wise, like David Bottle. Like, we did all these demos together, and David Bottle, who did the record, like, really gathered us to be like, how could this flow better? How could this. You know, how could your voice sound like, maybe if we drop. Like he. It was. We really came. And there's songs on that record that the band, like, wrote. Wrote vocals for, like, oh, wow. Called Died in the Wool that we all wrote together. Because I was losing my mind. I was like, I can't write. I don't know. Everybody's gonna judge. And they were like, what do you need? Let's all. Let's all write together. And they all took a little bit of it and we all took. And it was like this. It was like a. We got you, you know? Yeah. That was. I think that's why people like that record so much. I feel like it's like the most realized circa record.

[Beau]

But you're being told you're gonna be the next Coldplay, and you instead, you write, like, an aggressive rock record instead of going mainstream K rock. What's gonna. What we know is gonna work and sell some units. You make, like, hard. It's just hard, melodic music.

[Anthony Green]

Yeah.

[Beau]

So that you got me.

[Anthony Green]

Thank you.

[Beau]

It's a great record.

[Anthony Green]

Thank you.

[Beau]

Good shit, man. So when in your creative life do you start having kids?

[Anthony Green]

Like, right around Blue Sky Noise is when, like, the miscarriages kind of happened in the writing and then sort of like, by the time the record was, like, coming out and we were touring on it, like, our. My first son was born.

[Beau]

And does fatherhood kind of immediately change your approach to art and music and touring?

[Anthony Green]

Yeah, it was really was weird because it was the first time I'd ever realized, like, how much time I had wasted. Because, you know, when you have kid, like, all your time is like, you know, you gotta make sure they're okay. You gotta do all this. And so having to go from, like, all my life is just, like, taking care of myself. I'm the center of my existence, to having this thing that is, like, kind of eclipsing that. And then you're like, whoa, what? It's like, you don't have that luxury of being like, ah, I don't really feel like it tonight. Like, I'm not inspired or something. You know what I mean? Like. Like, I had to make time to do this. And before. I never did that. So it would happen sporadically. It would happen, like, when I was, like, feeling it or when I wasn't hungover. Or whatever. And the kids came, and I had to really take time management seriously. And it made me take the time that I had with music and not take it for granted, you know? And I realized that I could be creative at all times too. Like, being tired doesn't mean that you can't be creative, you know, There's a difference between being tired and stressed. And, like, I would stay up late. It was the. Having kids was like, the best thing for my creative muscle because it also taught me to play and relax. Like, they bring this, like, so you can't worry about certain shit like that. You worry about when you have a little guy running around or a little girl running around. You know what I mean? Like, you have your worries. Well, now you can be.

[Beau]

You can be creative for them.

[Anthony Green]

Yeah. Like, my thinking of, like, oh, what is this?

The scope of who you are gets whittled into, like, a different, like, shape. So you start seeing, like, the world, like, a little bit differently. I think when you're like. Even if you, like, friend has kids, you know, I think you can see it where you're like, shit. And like, maybe I won't take things so seriously, you know what I mean? That I took seriously. Don't matter so much, you know, like, if this song, if this thing doesn't do X, Y and Z, it doesn't fucking matter. It really does matters is fucking. This is good, you know, and this guy's safe and fucking.

[Beau]

Amen. And this whole time, the sounds of Animals fighting is. Has been going on in the background this whole time.

[Anthony Green]

Sound of Animals came to me when I was in seosin, asked me to do a record. And SEO syndromes were like, don't do it. We don't want you doing side projects and shit. And I was like, okay. And then went and did it anyway. And then when we broke up, it came out and so. And then the second sound of Animals Fighting record. I'm only on two songs, but I recorded them just like a hundred percent. Like on. On so much cocaine. Cocaine that could kill somebody.

[Beau]

Wow.

[Anthony Green]

Like, somebody from a label that was trying to. That was like, hanging out, like, gave me a bag of cocaine that night. I was supposed to go do the thing. And I just had a friend with me and we had just. It was bad. And then I got really mad at the guy who, like, is the head of the project for, like, being like, dude, Anthony did these songs on cocaine. It was so crazy. And I was like, don't know anybody, but I don't want anybody to know I Don't want anybody to know about drugs. Meanwhile, everybody knows I'm on drugs. But those songs were awesome. But when I hear them, I. I think about. I hear cocaine.

[Beau]

Okay.

[Colin]

Oh, wow.

[Anthony Green]

Yeah. Interesting. Yeah.

[Beau]

Are you still playing shows?

[Anthony Green]

Yeah, we just did, like, two weeks. Two weeks. We did, like. We put out a record this year. We just put out a record that was, like, we wrote while Dunes was, like, in Europe. Like, they sent me some music. It's just the RX Bandits guys and a couple other dudes. My friend Keith, who produces all my stuff, is in the band now. And we're just, like, a fun pro. I get to do so many fun projects.

[Beau]

You do, man.

[Anthony Green]

Just like, oh, we get to do it for fun. You don't. It does come out. It does stream. It does get sold. But it's like, no, you're not, like, taint. It's not like you're making it because that's like, you, oh, let's go do this fun thing. And then it's like, yeah, it is a. Becomes this product. But it's not, like, born out of this need to put, like, a product out there. It's more like, let's make something.

[Beau]

Let's make.

[Anthony Green]

You know, so many of my projects.

[Beau]

Are like, you're the make stuff.

[Anthony Green]

Very lucky. Yeah. Yeah.

[Beau]

Whether it's a you at the creek singing a turnstile song or.

[Anthony Green]

Or making a new record when I'm home. Like, so, like, social media is such a tricky thing. And you're good at it, but not everybody is good at it. Like, naturally good at it.

[Beau]

It sucks. It's hard to. It sucks.

[Anthony Green]

Honestly. Yo. But, like, somebody explained it to me once, like, really smart person, like, years ago when they were like, yo, you have, like, your own tv, you know, like, music, TV station, your own radio station all right here. Like, make it whatever you want, want. So rather than feeling like you have to, like, do a trending thing or whatever, like, just like, I was like, what do I want to do on here? Like, I'll just play some. I like music. I'll cover songs once in a while, play my own songs. The creek is just, like, a place I love. I do go play there. So it's like, I go there to play. It's cool. It's a cool spot. It connects to the creek that is on the house that Circa used to live on. We had a song called Frozen Creek. And it is. It is the frozen Creek. Creek that is. Wow. Hard. More creek. I did meet Ms. Murder there once.

[Beau]

You did?

[Anthony Green]

I don't know she's real, man. I was told not to talk about it.

[Colin]

God damn.

[Beau]

I know she's real. Can you tell me about making out with Davey Havoc? Did you really do that?

[Anthony Green]

Yeah.

[Beau]

That's awesome.

[Anthony Green]

Yeah, it was beautiful.

[Beau]

He just was feeling it. Right.

[Anthony Green]

It was within meeting him for like two hours.

[Beau]

Wow.

[Anthony Green]

Wow.

[Beau]

Just for an alleged book.

[Anthony Green]

It was for an alleged book.

[Beau]

There was pictures that you've yet to see.

[Anthony Green]

I haven't yet to see see it.

[Beau]

Okay, so. And at this, at the time of recording, it was just a beautiful moment.

[Anthony Green]

It was just a beautiful moment. And honestly, it was like, this is one of my favorite experiences.

[Beau]

He's a pretty cool guy.

[Anthony Green]

He is. He just transcends time and space as an entity and just like to be blessed by him in that way. I think honestly, it. It gave me. It made me feel like limitless. Like Bradley Cooper.

[Beau]

We feel that way now.

[Anthony Green]

Yeah.

[Beau]

Just having had a four hour conversation with him.

[Colin]

Yeah. No kissing.

[Anthony Green]

I'm still recovering. Like the ripple effect from the kiss from David. I'm not sure.

[Beau]

I think that brought us here.

[Anthony Green]

Yeah. Oh, wow. I'm not sure I could have got clean. I'm not sure we would have met each other.

[Beau]

All this kiss gravity.

[Anthony Green]

Davey sort of is a. Is a spiritual glue.

[Beau]

He left some straight edge in you.

[Anthony Green]

Yeah, it's in there. When I said my conscience earlier, it was his voice.

[Beau]

Okay.

[Colin]

We gotta get.

[Anthony Green]

Well, I'll.

[Beau]

I'll take your vape when we leave and we'll move. We'll keep. We'll keep it going. Circa put out two more records and has since gone on hiatus. Would you call it a hiatus?

[Anthony Green]

No.

[Beau]

Feel free to answer or not. Okay.

[Anthony Green]

Yeah. I think hiatus was like thrusted upon us.

[Colin]

Okay.

[Anthony Green]

But like, it's hard to talk about all that stuff just because like Circa, it was. It wasn't just like a band.

[Beau]

Yeah.

[Anthony Green]

For me, like, we were like. We were a family. You know what I mean? And when that shit went down, talk about things I wish I would have done different, you know, when all that shit went down, it was like, you know, such a heartbreaking thing, you know, we. I never imagined it going away the way it went. And nobody, none of them. I don't know.

[Beau]

I don't even know the context.

[Colin]

I don't know the story.

[Anthony Green]

We had a. We had a tour for this, this, this, you know, for Blue Sky Noise. It was like our 10 year anniversary tour. It was gonna be our third 10 year anniversary tour and it was postponed by the Pandemic like crazy. And we postponed it and postponed it, and I relapsed right before and had to go to treatment. And it was like a really stressful time for the band. And this is like their. All their life is doing this band, and all their life is is having to deal with me sometimes being accountable, sometimes being not. And I think it got to the point where it was so difficult and I was so far gone that I think for them the best thing was for me just to get help and to focus on that. And they didn't really, you know, nobody really knew what to do. And it was. There was.

Darkness descended. And, you know, like I said, I don't like war stories.

[Beau]

I'm not that kind of guy.

[Anthony Green]

You know, Circus Survivor is like the best thing that ever happened to me, and I love it more than anything. And I'm, you know, I always want to celebrate it and I always will. And, you know.

Yeah, it's a weird situation because, you know, what I want more than anything is for us all just to be friends with each other, regardless of no matter what. All that stuff, stuff like, that means to other people too. Like, all that stuff. Like, I just, you know, and we've all kind of come together. Oh. You know, and not all of us, but I, you know, since then, I. We've, you know, I've been talking to everybody. You know, Nick the bass player came out to see me in California, and Colin and Brendan and I have spent time together and. And, you know, we've all been talking a little bit. And that just feels to me, that's everything.

[Beau]

Yeah.

[Anthony Green]

I don't know if the band is ever gonna do anything ever again. You know what I mean? Like, and even if it did, it, like, wouldn't be the same. It just wouldn't. And people want you. Sometimes it's hard, you know, because you want to give people what they want, you want to do stuff like that, but it's like, not at your.

[Beau]

The expense of everyone.

[Anthony Green]

And I'm a people pleaser, so, like, I always want to give people what they want. And part of me feels like I don't even deserve to be here unless I'm doing what people want of me. You know what I mean?

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Anthony Green]

And so, like, it's tough, but, like, I don't want to put anybody in a bad situation, you know, Like, I just want to honor what everybody needs in their life and just being able to be friends with those people and have them in my life in any way is, like, really special.

[Beau]

That's.

[Anthony Green]

Send them messages like Remember that? And, you know. You know, Brendan and I saw each other at Ink and Dagger. We're at the Pit in Income in Philly. And, like, it feels good to. To be. To be able to. To celebrate that again. And I. I love. I'm.

[Beau]

It should be celebrated.

[Anthony Green]

It should be celebrating. You know what I'm saying?

I'm always down.

[Beau]

Okay.

[Anthony Green]

Always down. Always ready.

[Beau]

You heard it.

[Anthony Green]

Here.

[Beau]

Here's a little switch up for you. What is Nostradamus?

[Anthony Green]

Okay, that's cool. No one ever asked me about Mashedom. It's, like, my favorite thing.

[Beau]

Tell me.

[Anthony Green]

It was, like, a thing I wanted to call band. Like, back in high school, I wanted to call a band Mashradamus. In high school, I was like. I thought it was gonna be, like, the coolest thing. And then at one point, like, I wanted to be, like, a heavy band, but then at one point, I was like, wouldn't it be funny if, like, I made a band that was kind of, like, dashboardy, like, orally dashboard acoustic or, like, saves the day acoustic? It was called Mash Nostradamus. And then it just stayed with me forever. And when somebody was like, hey, what do you want to call your publishing company or, like, your checks get made out to? I was like, let's see that.

[Colin]

Wow.

[Anthony Green]

And then there's a. A buddy of mine who I've written some songs with in New Jersey who's like, a. Does, like, a lot of, like, electronic music. I believe his name is Death Barrier. I think that's what he goes by now. But we wrote some, like, electro pop songs, and we were gonna call it Mastradamus. So it's like this Nostradamus lives among us. Yeah.

[Colin]

Something is gonna happen with Mastradamus Predict.

What is he forecasting?

[Beau]

Spin kick.

[Colin]

I need to develop this character.

[Anthony Green]

Dude. That would be, you know. Yeah, like, Mashnamas would predict.

It's like, Title fight. Getting.

[Colin]

Oh, yeah.

[Anthony Green]

2028.

[Colin]

Yeah, 2028.

[Anthony Green]

2028.

[Beau]

Okay.

[Anthony Green]

Fight. No. Yeah. What is. What is Mastradamus Predict?

[Beau]

Yeah, what does he.

[Colin]

I think that's pretty good.

[Anthony Green]

Never actually breaking up.

[Beau]

I mean, Masterdamus nailed that one.

Just played with him.

[Anthony Green]

How was that?

[Beau]

This is good.

[Anthony Green]

Legends. Absolutely incredible.

[Beau]

Like, all due respect, my first tours were with Bane.

Objectively hilarious that any band with a ceremonious breakup plays after that. But I also. The landscape of music has changed so much so fast in their breakup that I understand that it's like, we just.

[Anthony Green]

Want to fucking play, dude. It's. It's been My dream ever since a young musician to have a band that breaks up and then gets back together. Well, you know what I'm saying?

[Beau]

Okay, I get it. That's why it's not a hiatus. I was told that you never announced the winner of the Little Tony contest on MySpace. Do you know, I don't know you. It was a contest that you came up with.

[Anthony Green]

Oh, God. And you never announced, like, that was my young legs there. I'm trying to like, get my feet on the Internet. I don't know what I'm doing. I think. Oh, I think I may gave people like a cutout with like my face on it. And I was like, put it places. Like, I don't know what I'm doing. I'm just trying to get people to engage.

[Beau]

Do you want to announce a winner now?

[Anthony Green]

That might have been. You win. You're the little.

[Beau]

You guys. I'm little Tony.

[Colin]

Wow.

[Beau]

Unbelievable. Thank you. Congrats so much. Unreal.

[Anthony Green]

That's like something somebody came to me with and I was like, yeah, whatever.

[Colin]

I see.

[Anthony Green]

Sure.

[Beau]

When you. When you look back at your life now as a musician father, who are. Would you say are like the key figures that kind of got you here that we maybe haven't talked about yet? Just put some light on the guys that don't get their shine or gals?

[Anthony Green]

Like, when I look back.

[Beau]

Yeah, it's a good question.

[Anthony Green]

There's lots. Yeah, there's lots. I mean, the list is like, kind of crazy.

[Beau]

And you've said a lot.

[Colin]

Yeah, You've said.

[Anthony Green]

When I think about Vince Ratty, I think about.

You know, there's a guy named. There's a guy that ran a label from. From PA. Name called. His name is Pete Buckley. And he had a record label called Break Even that put out the first audience One record. I never paid him for it, ever.

[Colin]

Oh, well.

[Anthony Green]

And I think we actually evened out because I think he. I think he. That streams and sells and I don't know who gets okay from the audience. We're actually audience one. Dudes just started talking in a group chat and we're like, I don't know. I don't know. Nobody cares.

[Beau]

I mean, we can cut.

[Anthony Green]

Me and the drummer and Tommy the bass player. Me and Jade, we were like, we're like, gonna make new music.

[Beau]

Okay. Whoa.

[Anthony Green]

We're gonna break. I don't know what it's gonna be like, but it's gonna be.

[Colin]

We're.

[Beau]

Is it audience of one?

[Anthony Green]

Yeah.

[Beau]

Okay. Oh, wow.

[Anthony Green]

It's gonna be. Is going to Be. We're going to make an audience one thing and do something just because we're like, why not?

[Beau]

Why not?

[Anthony Green]

Like, who cares? There's, like, an EP that we never put out that we're like, I don't have any master. Like, I don't know. I think it only exists online. So we're going to have to figure out how to rip it and then, like, mix it off that it can be done. When I look back, I. My brother Mike honestly was, like, such a huge supporter of me and would come to my parents, like, when I dyed my hair when I was a kid and be like, give him a break.

[Beau]

He looks dope.

[Anthony Green]

Take it easy. Yeah, take it easy. Or like, I got a tattoo. Be like, take it easy. He'll be fine.

[Beau]

Have your parents seen the. The Dunes neck tat?

[Anthony Green]

Yeah. My dad will still, like, my dad's getting older, but he'll still look at me and he'll be like, is that a new one? He'll be like, was this a new, you know, dude?

[Colin]

Every time.

[Anthony Green]

Hated tattoos.

[Beau]

Hated my dad.

[Anthony Green]

That's why I think that's what I got.

[Beau]

Yeah.

[Anthony Green]

I was like, every time I see.

[Beau]

My show, you, oh, I see. I'm. I'm. When my dad is like, I hate that tattoo. I'm like, dad, I'm so sorry. You know, I don't want to disappoint him. There's no. I'll rebel against my mom all day. But dad, Dad, I don't want to disappoint.

[Anthony Green]

I live to disappoint them. I was, like, trying to. Recently, when my dad. My dad was in the hospital and I had to go pick. I picked up my mom and I was giving her a ride over there. And as I was. She. She lived, like, they sold their house that they lived at and like. Like outside in the burbs, and they live kind of near us. And I. So I picked her up, and I was driving through this old area where I used to. Like, where we used to live, and I was showing her all that. I was like, I got. That was where I got my dui. That's where this house over here. I ran from the cops. I lived in the bush. I was, like, giving her the tour of all this stuff. I was, like, taking her on the tour of all this stuff in Bucks County. I was like, this is where we used to get up. I had a drug dealer lived here. That's where this one accident happened. It was like. It was pretty good. So we can laugh about it. We can Laugh about it now.

[Colin]

Yeah. Right.

[Beau]

Tell me about LS Dunes. How has this been best?

[Anthony Green]

Fucking second best thing that ever happened to me in my life.

Saved my life. Circa had broken up.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Anthony Green]

And I was still. I still was struggling in past lives a little bit. When that record came out, I was like kind of up and down. I got clean for a little bit and then I, you know, was back and forth and it was. And those guys were just like ultimate support network. Never. Even when they knew I wasn't being honest with him, they were like, we got you. When you're ready to tell us the truth, we're here for you.

[Colin]

The Circuit guys judge you?

[Beau]

No.

[Colin]

Or the.

[Anthony Green]

And I think I had. And not for nothing, not saying anything about Circa, but I think I had put them through. Circuit was like that. Yeah. In the beginning. And then the second, third, fourth, fifth, sixth, seventh time there came a time with the Circuitized for their own self preservation, where they needed to be like, I'm sorry, I can't.

[Beau]

Fifteen years later, I can't.

[Anthony Green]

I can't be doing this anymore. And we needed space, you know, and so I feel like Dunes, like, didn't have a whole lifetime of me having to deal with that. So they. I, you know, they were a little. They kind of worked with me through that. And that band was just, like, being in Circa, I felt, like, a lot of pressure as, like, the front guy. And then going to Dunes, like, I was still the front man, like, lead singer guy, but I wasn't, like, there wasn't a front man for that band. Like, everybody.

[Beau]

Everybody's looking at everybody.

[Anthony Green]

Writes Hooks, Travis, Tim. Right. The greatest. Frank is like the big. One of the biggest rock stars of our time. You know what I mean? And so, like. And they. And the other thing was, they, like, everything I sent them, they liked. They were like, this is great. Like. And everything they sent me, I was, like, easy to sing over. And so during the Pandemic, Circa's relationship was splintering a little bit. So we weren't writing as much music and I was home doing nothing. And they were just singing me songs every day. It was like a love affair.

[Beau]

Yeah.

[Anthony Green]

And I just. I fell in love with them. We all fell in love with doing this band. And we didn't really have an idea that it was gonna ever play a show or ever do, like. Or ever do anything, but it came.

[Beau]

When you needed it.

[Anthony Green]

Yeah.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Beau]

And then turned into more than you all expected.

[Anthony Green]

Yeah, I. I kind of had the time because of Circa not being a thing anymore. Where I could, you know, really go full, full on into it. And it was. It's still a dream. Honestly, I still can't believe I get to be in that band. It's crazy for me like to get to be in the band with those guys. And I've as long before I even knew Tucker, dude. Funny thing about Tucker. I punished Tucker at a Warp tour that I went at with to go see the Mighty, mighty Boston. I was watching Thursday from the side stage and I knew of them because they were friends with the this day four guys. But I wasn't like acquaintances with them. And I went over to Tucker to be like, do you know the Open Hand guys? Because I might go out in California and join the. They asked me to join like the guy like Bo and Zach were guys from. Were guys from Sao Sim were in Open Hand or like were filling in for them before they started it. And so I was like, that was my excuse to go talk to them. Hey, tell me about Open Hand. Like you know, you know my buddies. Like, should I go out there? And Tucker was like so nice to me.

[Colin]

Oh cool.

[Anthony Green]

He was so. He was like, gave me the time of day and he was packing up, which now I know is like the worst time for a drummer to deal.

[Beau]

With that just dripping sweat all over.

[Anthony Green]

The rest of your band is doing whatever you're doing work. And he was so kind to me and so nice to me. I was like, do it, dude.

[Beau]

Does he remember that interaction?

[Anthony Green]

I don't think so, but I think he's just such a kind hearted person, you know what I mean? Like I. I think, you know, he's heard me tell that story before, but God, that guy, he's awesome. Yeah, I got lost.

[Colin]

I can't remember.

What was. So we're. When you finally got together, did you.

[Anthony Green]

First time we ever practiced was at Frank's basement. They sent me. Tucker was like, hey, will you want to sing in this project I have with some of my friends? And I was like, yes. Siri sent me two or three songs and it was during the pandemic. So I was home and I think I sang on that night. And it was a couple of songs from past lives. And I sent them back to him and he was like, hey, do you want to. Can you get on a call in like a couple minutes? And I was like, yeah, sure. And he was on the call with Frank and Travis and Tim. He was like, hey, we want to. And I, I thought it was like him and his friends from the neighborhood. Yeah, I didn't know, it was like those guys and you know, we've toured together throughout the years and like, I've like, gotten to know them, but like, this was like a. I. I never felt so.

Like, honored, accepted, like, cared for, like, wanted, like, needed. Like, I, it. It, like I still am feeling the actual residuals of the. The hit that I got from them wanting me to see sing for their band. I. I'm like, it's one of the.

[Beau]

Coolest honors we're sitting here right now.

[Colin]

Yeah, right?

[Anthony Green]

Yeah, it's awesome, you know, like, getting to play with them, getting to write with them, you know, like, and they don't. The coolest thing about I think the band is like, none of the guys, like, they get to. It's all out of. It's a passion project. None of them need it. So it's like wherever their creative juices are, like, getting like, you know, built up, they get to kind of, you know, unleash whatever they want. And it's such a fun project. We're writing stuff right now, which is really cool, and getting back into like the cycle of just sending stuff to each other. Like, Frank's gonna be busy. Everybody's busy. But like, when we get into a writing mode, it's like a fun thing.

[Beau]

So the Black Parade continues obviously, but you. But there's more to come. There's more dunes coming.

[Anthony Green]

There's like, you know, I think it's going to. It's probably going to look a little different. Like all of us are too old to tour how we did on this record. And like, I don't think any of us want to go out on like six week tours anymore. But like, we.

[Beau]

And you don't have to, right?

[Colin]

It's not necessary. We did five day cruises now.

[Anthony Green]

I would just. I would love to see that van be a thing where, like, whenever it happens, it's just not stressful for anybody because I know how stressful Frank and Tucker and Tim and Travis, like, normal day jobs can be. The thing that has to pay their bills, the stuff that they do. And I never want this project to take them away from their family or add to any of the stress that is already. You know, I like being the singer that just says yes.

[Colin]

Did you record with Will Yip?

[Anthony Green]

Yeah.

[Colin]

Did you record in Kachohakan?

[Anthony Green]

Yeah. So the second record we recorded all together. The first record, it was like they recorded a bunch of parts in different places. And Will like Frankenstein, I did all the vocals there. But this time Will and I got to like, chill before the band even got there. And like we kind of moved some stuff around.

[Colin]

Did you eat at Great American Pub Every day. Every single day.

[Anthony Green]

Every day. I have. I have a meal that I get there.

[Beau]

Tell me about the meal.

[Colin]

What is it?

[Anthony Green]

Salad. It's like. It's a salad with avocado. It's basically wills. What Will's gets avocado, egg, egg and it's. I get. But I get extra egg. I got like three or four.

[Beau]

Yeah, they have. You know, the eggs. I have all this stuff that I hear.

[Anthony Green]

I hear that all you need is a little vitamin C and then you got. You're good to go.

[Colin]

Harm's Way did our last record like right in the wake of that.

[Anthony Green]

Okay.

[Colin]

So he. Will was talking about it at the time. It was just fun to. I'm tying that in now and realizing.

[Anthony Green]

That that was the.

[Beau]

It was that sound that guy. What's your favorite prep Harm's Way reference?

[Colin]

It was common suffering. It came out late 2023.

[Anthony Green]

Okay, cool. Very cool.

[Beau]

What's your favorite fret?

[Anthony Green]

Honestly? It's the. It's the. The fret. It's the. Okay, where do I say this is? 12. 11.

[Beau]

Oh dude.

[Anthony Green]

11.

[Colin]

Cuz that's kind of going. If you're doing open going.

[Beau]

So that's me. That's why I like. So this is 11 on the E. That would be 6 on the A which is. That's my favorite 6.

[Anthony Green]

Yeah. Right above.

[Colin]

Oh wow. You're right.

[Anthony Green]

I live up here like as like. You're like up here lap but like right down there. There's. There's a few songs like there's like audience of one songs that are like. There's a song called show youw Teeth. There's an audience one song where that's that. This. This chord that 11 where it's like. You know 12 is in the middle and it's like this really pretty chord.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Anthony Green]

And it's like in. It's like on every record I've ever done. Aha.

[Colin]

That's much like the evermore, evermore ever long. Ever long.

So that it's gonna drop. But that is just like a pretty open chord that he took from My Bloody Valentine. That was just in everything.

[Anthony Green]

Yes. And that's cool.

[Beau]

Yeah, pretty cool. That's cool.

[Anthony Green]

My kid, my oldest, my 15 year old just did like a shoegaze night as like like thing where he takes drums and he played. He played the my. My Bloody Valentine song. Sick.

[Beau]

And so your kids like cool.

[Anthony Green]

They love. Awesome. They love Cooler than I am.

[Beau]

How old?

[Anthony Green]

14, 13 or 15. 13. There's too many. There's an 8 in there somewhere. There might be a 10 or 11 in there somewhere.

[Beau]

But I'm like, how many musicians they.

[Anthony Green]

They all can play.

[Colin]

Wow.

[Anthony Green]

They all can play, but I'm like, I'm a freak. I love music too much, and so I don't want to be the guy that spoils it for them, you know.

[Beau]

Or bombarding them in a way that's like.

[Anthony Green]

So it's like. Yeah. I want. You know, they're. They're snowboarders. They're skaters. They're. They're good at everything, dude. They're. They blow my mind. The two youngest are like. Like, they're all good at sports. They all love sports. Like, they're good at everything. And they're cool people. They're really. People think because you have kids that you like kids. I really don't like kids very much.

[Colin]

No, my kids are cool as.

[Anthony Green]

Dude.

I'm just saying.

I'm not trying to talk. They just. They're really. They make being a dad very easy for me.

[Beau]

Okay. That's a great answer.

[Colin]

Good kid.

[Anthony Green]

I'm not a great dad. I can't be, like, I'm not, like, a discipline. I'm not, like, good at being like, you can't do this. Or you, like, there's boundaries you need to have for things. But.

[Beau]

But I just think you've been so open about your struggles your whole life that it's like. I think that's part of the openness.

[Anthony Green]

Yeah. And I think we have a good relationship because I'm not, like. I'm not trying to control them. I want them to make the best decision, but I. And I'll be there for them regardless of what road they take. Take. You know what I mean? But I'm not. I'm not gonna bully them into where I think is the best thing for them, because sometimes the best thing for you is to up. Yeah. You know what I mean? And. And we only learn from failure. Yeah. It's just. It's scary to be in a world where, like, you know, I was doing weird drugs at their age that if they were to do that now could kill them.

[Colin]

Yeah. Right.

[Anthony Green]

So, like, I never wanted to have that mentality of, like. Yeah, you. You know, like. Like, complete abstinence. But, like, you can't. I can't avoid that now.

[Beau]

Like, you know, but fentanyl now is. Is not what it was.

[Anthony Green]

You know, like, it's crazy because when I was first getting up. They really didn't hear about fentanyl. And then I got clean, and I was clean for, like, five or six years. And when I came back, it was just fentanyl.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Anthony Green]

So it was like, you know, at the end of my time, the last time I went to rehab, when I did a urine test, there was no. Like, fentanyl doesn't come up. Like, a. Like heroin, it metabolizes differently. So it confused people. The beginning, when they would, like, people would be dead, and they'd be like, there's. There's no dihydromorphine in their system. It's like. Because it reads different synthetic.

[Beau]

And now it's, like, the number one cause of death.

[Anthony Green]

It's so terrible. Like, honestly, I wish we had, like, better leadership that would, like, be able to help people. Like, because it's such a. It's such a cyclical thing. It eats at your mental thing. So you don't feel like you can get better ever. It's like, the way we handle addiction, this country is really. Even the way it's. With. It's. It's really tough. I think it would be the whole reason why I feel like it. I try to be more open about it and, like, try to fight the.

Like, backwash of shame that comes up when I start talking about it, you know, like. Because I think it is important for people that have gone through it to be like, there's hope. They give a little hope and strength for people who need it, you know, I mean, because there is a. There is a different way of life. You don't have to look like that. And there's, you know, it's terribly lonely and dreadful for those. For people who are sick and suffering from it. And.

I admire people that have had the strength in their life to be like, you know, I'm gonna confront all of my pain and suffering in this, like. Like, way where I'm dealing with it. And, you know, I feel lucky to be getting to have those tools back in my life.

[Colin]

We.

[Beau]

We feel the same. We say the same thing. That, like. And an addict who becomes straight edge is, like, I have the more respect. And that's more difficult than us deciding to abstain without ever going down.

[Anthony Green]

That somebody who's, like, in recovery, a lot of happy. Like, there's a lot of miserable people, too, in the world, but, like, a lot of happy people, because you have this, like, perspective of, like, what life was like.

[Colin]

They know what dark is.

[Anthony Green]

I remember watching people, like, just at Wawa, like, going into Wa, like, I'd be in the parking lot of Wawa, like, all up, like, waiting for somebody or doing something. I'd see some random person on the street, and I would think, like, I would do anything to switch with whatever this person's worried about right now, then have to fucking keep this up. Like, just constant wanting to die, being okay. Like, you might die. It wouldn't be, you know, worst thing ever. So when part of the message is like, that you. There's a different way of life for people if they want it. And I, like, whatever it took to get through that was worth it. If. If you're got per. You give it meaning. You know what I mean? So you give it meaning by. By showing up now the best that you can to show people, you know, like, there's a different way of life if you want something else.

[Colin]

Yeah. Well, we appreciate your openness and honesty about that, and they will, too, for sure. So thank you for that.

[Beau]

This has been unbelievable.

[Anthony Green]

I love. I'm so, so stoked to get to be on here. It was very cool.

[Beau]

We're. We're stoked to have you.

[Anthony Green]

Yeah, let's do it more. Let's do more.

[Beau]

I'm down.

[Anthony Green]

You should make a Masterdomas character, dude.

[Colin]

Masterdomas.

[Beau]

Maybe we'll get Monstrons to China every week.

[Anthony Green]

I almost got to be in that guy. You know, the guy who. With the mustache who does, like, hardcore, like, he comes out of, like, hardcore retirement. He, like, he play pretends. Yeah, yeah. That guy is. He's so.

[Beau]

He's awesome.

[Colin]

He's very funny. Yeah.

[Anthony Green]

I almost got to be in, like, a little movie he was making.

[Beau]

Oh, yeah, yeah. The Moshumentary.

[Anthony Green]

Yeah. I was gonna be, like. I was gonna be like, the judge.

[Colin]

That would have been a good debut for Monster, but, you know the Chappelle skit? Is it Black Nostradamus?

[Beau]

What's his.

[Colin]

What's the character's name?

[Beau]

Yeah, it's that, but.

[Colin]

But it's something else.

But, like, doing that where it's like the China symbol will no longer symbolize corniness, you know?

[Beau]

I know. It's the best. Let's go.

[Anthony Green]

Fly. Come on, now.

[Beau]

Yeah, I agree. Soul Fly.

[Colin]

Huge fan of the first record.

[Anthony Green]

Yeah. I mean, that's, like, when I was growing up, like, stuff like that, you know, like Hate Breed, like, that was the heaviest thing I had ever heard at the time. The heaviest thing before that was, like, corn.

[Colin]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Anthony Green]

So it's, like, getting opened up and.

[Beau]

But at what cost, you know? Let's wind it down here a little bit. Let's talk about a few things that we like to talk about with every guest here.

[Colin]

Important stuff.

[Beau]

Food.

[Anthony Green]

Oh, yeah.

[Beau]

You brought a suitcase full of noodles.

[Anthony Green]

Noodles on the Mac and cheese.

[Colin]

Did you?

[Anthony Green]

Yeah.

[Colin]

Are you a meat eater?

[Anthony Green]

I don't. I don't eat meat.

[Colin]

Okay.

[Anthony Green]

I did eat fish. This last look for the first time in like 12 years. This last. This last. Just to try it. They don't have any feet. I don't think they fish. I'm not really feel any anything.

[Beau]

They forget.

[Colin]

They know nothing.

[Anthony Green]

They're nothing. Not there.

[Beau]

So what. What's your. What's your place of choice? Like, if you're on a long tour and you're. You guys stop somewhere to eat, what are you really excited to have?

[Anthony Green]

I mean, I love eating good food. And, like, I will. I respond just like everybody do, like a good, healthy meal, but I'm also like, a piece of shit. Well, like, I love a Twinkie. Oh, I like a sonic breakfast burrito.

[Beau]

Oh, man, that's dark.

[Anthony Green]

Love a sonic breakfast burrito. I like it. A grilled cheese from In N Out. I'm like a piece of. I also eat, like, once every two days when I'm on tour.

[Beau]

Oh, yeah, you're.

[Colin]

You're not one of us.

[Anthony Green]

I. Here's the thing is, though, I'm. I like, won't eat for a long time, and then when I do, I eat like a pro eater who's like, eating like, I'll eat the three entrees.

[Colin]

Hell yeah.

[Anthony Green]

Yeah.

[Beau]

It's called binge eating disorder, but I have it as well.

[Anthony Green]

It's crazy, but I. I was a fat kid. I had. I had really?

[Beau]

Really.

[Anthony Green]

I know, and I. I like it. It sounds funny to say it, but I. I had. I suffered from eating disorders as a young man.

[Beau]

We all have to eat disorders.

[Anthony Green]

I made myself throw up. I starved myself. I was a fat kid. I wanted. I just wanted to.

[Beau]

I normally can spot another fellow fat. And honestly, you're just such a slender, handsome guy that I was like, this guy probably. This guy's never had a fat.

[Anthony Green]

I probably have some issues. People like, are you intermittent fasting? I'm like, nah, I just like pain.

[Beau]

I gotta get on. On pain, dude. I got to try pain next. Wow. So what's your spot, though? What's number one?

[Colin]

Where are you pulling off the highway.

[Beau]

For maybe the whole band, let's say. Let's say.

[Anthony Green]

I don't know, because it's all different. Like, because, like, some people are weird with Stuff. But, like, there's been times with dunes. Dunes. We've had a couple dinners at.

Olive Garden. Beautiful PF Chang's. Oh, Peter Changs, we call it.

[Colin]

No Problem Peter.

[Beau]

Peter F. Chang.

[Anthony Green]

Peter fucking Chan. Peter Call it. And things like that. Where it's like, oh, you know, you go to a. Where everybody can eat or whatever.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Anthony Green]

Oh, my lonesome. I really like getting to a place and walking around and finding, like, a little coffee shop.

[Beau]

Yeah.

[Anthony Green]

Like, finding the lay of the land or whatever. But I'm a total piece of when it comes to eating. Like, whatever, dude. Like, I love Sonic Breakfast Burrito.

[Beau]

That is crazy.

[Anthony Green]

Like, with, like, you and on the app. Yeah, you can get.

[Beau]

You got the Sonic app.

[Anthony Green]

Yeah, you can get no meat and you can add diced onions.

[Beau]

You. Anthony Green has the Sonic app, man.

[Anthony Green]

You know, I'm living my life here, dude. You're living the best life. This is like, I'm having a second chance in my life. I'm doing it right.

[Beau]

You got the app.

[Anthony Green]

I'm doing it right.

[Beau]

Yeah, you're gonna get your rewards.

[Anthony Green]

I like a Taco Bell. Like, when I'm doordashing, like, Taco Bell's like, a number one thing.

[Beau]

2Am 1 1.

[Colin]

2Am I'm surprised because normally if somebody doesn't eat meat, that's the answer.

I'm surprised to hear it, but I'm pleasantly surprised.

[Anthony Green]

Yeah, I love Sonic.

It's so. Like, there's certain places, like, I love the Chicago diner, you know?

[Colin]

Have you been to Handlebar?

[Anthony Green]

I think so.

[Colin]

This is a PSA to all vegan, vegetarian meat eaters. Anybody? Chicago diner is great. I get it. Totally understand. But this place is Gotta check out Handlebar.

[Anthony Green]

I'm. I'm pretty sure my memory is kind of getting. It's little. I'm. I'm scrambling.

[Colin]

Sure, you started.

[Anthony Green]

We're bookending it.

[Colin]

It's on North Avenue. It's near the Subterranean. If you would ever be in, like, the Wicker park area. It's fantastic.

[Anthony Green]

I stayed in Chicago for two weeks when we were doing this tour with Lara Jane Grace and Tim Casher from Cursive. And I lived there, like, rehearsed with them. And we were at this studio that was real close to Chicago Music Exchange and living not super far away. And it was awesome. It was the dead of winter, and all we did, we were learning. I was learning. We were learning each other's songs, and I had just gotten clean and Circa was, like, just breaking up, and I was, like, not sure what was going On. And this tour was very much like Laura and Tim kind of like taking me out of their way.

[Colin]

Oh, beautiful.

[Anthony Green]

Trying to make sure I didn't die. Wow.

[Beau]

We all need that.

[Anthony Green]

I seized out on Laura one day in Asbury Park. We were getting breakfast, and I don't remember what was it was going on. I was on medication for night terrors. It was, like, really messing me up. And I hadn't slept all night, which is really bad for, like, my bipolar kicks in without sleep. Like, if I don't go. If I don't get, like, if a too long goes without sleep, like, I can get romantic. And I just, like. We were getting coffee, and then all of a sudden I looked up and I was, like, looking at everybody, and she was. She was like, the cops are coming right now. I was like, we gotta get out of here.

And then I was like, don't tell anybody that happened. And she was like, okay, sure. And then she told our tour manager. Haley came in two minutes later and was like, what the fuck happened?

[Beau]

The great Haley River.

[Anthony Green]

I have really put a lot of people who care about me through a lot. So it's, like, very cool to be here. And I feel like I. I want to do good for them. I want to show up for people and not have them worry. I want to be dependable, and I want to be like, you know, I want to put music back at the front forefront of everything, you know, I feel like the last four years has really been, like, trying to refocus everything to give art, music, like, to put it at the center and to really.

[Beau]

Try to feel like you're there. You feel like you're there.

[Anthony Green]

I really do.

[Colin]

You got to figure, too, there's a reason why so many people have been such a good support network for you.

[Anthony Green]

Yeah.

[Colin]

Because they see through that sings to your character, you know, they see the guy.

[Beau]

Yeah.

[Anthony Green]

Part of me always worries that is, like, always worried that somebody's just being nice to me because they want something or because they're just being nice or because. Because of that. And I constantly am going through that where it's like, imposter syndrome, where it's like, oh, these guys, you know? And it's. This is the corniest thing I'm ever gonna say, but, like, that self acceptance has been the craziest piece for me to be like, we'll learn to, like, no, dude. Like, you know, the same way you look at anybody else, you got to give that back to yourself. There's no reason why I give you guys this Consideration, this care and this admiration. You don't. You don't do that to yourself. You can't be true. You can't be really true with love and acceptance with other people if you aren't going to be at one with your shadow, one with who you are. And that took for that once. Honestly, that's the reason why I'm doing okay with the heroin stuff now is because that stuff finally got really confronted where it was, like, the self hatred, the. All this really negative feeling stuff when I really got to the bottom of it. And once that's good, like you, there's no real bad. Like, fentanyl is bad. I'm not gonna say it's not bad, but you just have a. It's also there for helping people. I had a really bad relationship with myself, so I was just in this terrible cycle, and now that I'm free of that, like, my obsession for drugs and alcohol has been, like.

It's been lifted tremendously. Where, like, I think more about, like, getting two pizzas and a thing of ice cream than I would about ever doing dope. You know what I mean?

[Colin]

It's beautiful.

[Beau]

And if you ever want to get two pizzas and a bucket of ice.

[Anthony Green]

Cream, I'll meet you in the dark.

And. And honestly, the, like, people say you can't get clean for your kids. Whatever. My kids are the number one reason why I'm here today. And I don't understand why people say that, because when I didn't give a. About myself, I was like, these guys care about me. These guys need me.

[Beau]

Yeah.

[Anthony Green]

And I care about them. So I might as well give it a shot. If I'm gonna go out anyway, I might as well give it a shot.

[Colin]

I can't really think of a better reason to be honest.

[Anthony Green]

And they're the coolest. They're the coolest humans.

[Beau]

I hope to meet him.

[Anthony Green]

Yeah.

[Beau]

I can't wait to hear the music that they make.

[Anthony Green]

Oh, you want to hear something crazy, dude?

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Anthony Green]

My. Oh, where's my. My son Jack, who's eight, sent me this while I'm on the cruise. Okay. Eight.

[Beau]

Eight kids, eight making voice. Memo. H.C. let me see.

[Anthony Green]

This is gonna be great. And he says. And he says. Look at. This is what he says. He goes, can you add to the dada? Can you add to this?

[Colin]

Oh.

Hold it to your mic.

[Anthony Green]

I think there's. Oh, wait, hold on. This one's just a drum beat. This is the one he asked me to add to.

It's weird.

[Colin]

This is awesome.

[Anthony Green]

And the Intro is really long, and then it's like.

[Beau]

He's eight.

[Anthony Green]

He's gonna be nine. He's gonna be nine. November 16th. Yeah.

[Colin]

That's my birthday.

[Anthony Green]

No way, dude. That's my Jack.

[Colin]

Congratulations. My younger brother's name is Jack. It's all coming together.

[Beau]

Look at this.

[Colin]

So you'll be home in time.

[Anthony Green]

Yeah. Like, I had to miss two birthdays this year, which sucks. It's that type of. Your kids don't give a. If you're in a band or people think you're cool. Dad, you're not there. Yeah. They just want you there.

[Colin]

Yeah. Now in all your days and in all your ups and downs.

[Anthony Green]

Okay.

[Colin]

You ever see a ghost?

[Anthony Green]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Colin]

There we go.

[Anthony Green]

Yeah. I've had a few apparition experiences. The house that I lived in in Bucks county, somebody took their life in the house.

[Beau]

Did they tell you when you moved in?

[Anthony Green]

My brothers and stuff would tell me. And it was where our garage is, I guess. And so I would always hear stuff in there. And I would always hear things, like. Things where I was like. And the house itself would just. You'd hear people in the hallway. You'd hear things moving around, and there'd be nobody there. There was a time my dad took me to Ireland. He would go to Ireland once a year just to tie one on. Like, after he. He was like a. You know, he would. That was how he dealt with his drinking. He would just kind of, like, condense it to certain types of times of the year in certain places. And when I was, like, 12 or 13, I was listening to Holes Live through this, like, the whole time that I was out there for some reason, too. And.

There was stuff in the hallway. Like, I kept hearing it. We lit, like, the. The apartment that we were staying. I was above a bar. It was like a. They had a bar that, like, turned into, like, a little inn. And he would just be down there. And I was by myself. So I was, like, hearing stuff that I thought was the bar.

And I kept going out to look because I kept feeling like there was something boom, boom, boom on the door. And I'm sitting in there and I'm hearing stuff, and I'm going to the door, and I'm getting really scared. And I get up, go to the bathroom, and I'm in the bathroom, and I'm feeling like my dad's either in the room or like somebody walked in. And I turn around and be like, oh, is the door opening? Are you in the room? Like, are you in here? And there's Just like, there's like a shadow person. There's like a. Like a shadow person, like, in the room, and it's. It just scared the out.

[Beau]

And you've never forgotten.

[Anthony Green]

Yeah. And I closed the bathroom door and was in the bathroom for a while before I came out and it was gone. And I. I suffered from sleep paralysis a whole bunch growing up. So, like, I would see the hag, I would see that. I would see a woman. I would see, like a witch or like. Or like a big animal thing.

[Colin]

Yeah. I've seen something there and I get the. The bang. You get the bang. The bang is crazy.

[Anthony Green]

I can remember being in second grade and being in the nurse's office and having it and being in, like, sitting, not being able to move and just like, it was crazy.

[Colin]

It's the weirdest thing.

[Anthony Green]

Yeah. It happened to me a lot growing up.

[Beau]

It's definitive proof ghosts are real.

[Anthony Green]

Yeah.

[Beau]

And with that, we have just one more question.

[Anthony Green]

Yeah.

[Beau]

Could you tell us your four favorite hardcore records of all time?

[Anthony Green]

Okay. So. Functioning on impatience, Coalesce, respect In response this day forward. I. I love Henry Rollins, but I also, like, like, everything. Like, I loved Weight, like, and that was huge. But also, like, I loved, like, soa and like, when I got into all that, like, it's hard to, like, I never. I love Black Flag, but it was also, like, I couldn't really follow all of it.

[Beau]

Yeah.

[Anthony Green]

I would say, like, the Minor Threat, you know, the Discog. All of it together.

Maybe Teen Idols or Bad Brains, which record?

[Beau]

A yellow one.

[Anthony Green]

The Bad Brains, the one with the Capitol Tower? Yeah. Was that. What was that record called?

[Beau]

It was. It was self titled. Because it was like. It was just a cassette at first.

[Anthony Green]

Yeah, it was. And how many songs were on it?

[Beau]

12.

[Anthony Green]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Colin]

I think it's. I think it's sometimes called Banded DC.

[Beau]

R O I R Tape.

[Anthony Green]

But also, like, because a lot of those bands that, like, I would listen to, like, didn't have records. I was like, I don't know Kerbal Bastards ever had, like, a record I've just put out, like.

Whatever. That's so cool. But I also, like, never really, like, it wasn't like I. When I got. When I loved that, I think a part of it was just like, oh, I just loved everything about the way this music felt. But when I would. I remember, like, hearing like. Like, I remember hearing like, Sonny did Real estate, being like, what the is this? Or like, Embrace.

[Beau]

Yeah.

[Anthony Green]

And being like, this is my business. My.

[Beau]

This is me now.

[Anthony Green]

That embrace Record was cool. I guess that's not really a hardcore.

[Beau]

Yeah, but it counts.

[Anthony Green]

I'm going to pick Haven and I'm going to go with. I'm going to go with Jupiter instead of, you know, one of the metal core records. Because I still think that it's a hardcore record. And I think that it's like what they. I don't know. I guess it's not really. That's the one people like all got lost. I love it.

[Beau]

Those are. Those are Corpsman.

[Anthony Green]

Yeah.

[Beau]

It is what it is because they.

[Colin]

When they were on that record, they would still rip into the old ones.

[Beau]

Yeah, for sure.

[Anthony Green]

They're still hooking up Juggernaut, Kid Kilowatt. No, like, it was. Steve Brodsky sang for like this project called Kid Kill. I don't remember who else was in there. They have a song called Bicycle Song that I remember listening to over and over again that was like really heavy, but had like a. Almost like a singing chorus, but like it.

[Beau]

I'm a fan of the whole Brodsky verse.

[Anthony Green]

Go check out Bicycle Song by Kid Kilowatt. Oh, my God. I think you're gonna like it.

[Beau]

I can't wait.

[Anthony Green]

I think you're.

[Beau]

And on that note, did I give you four? Yeah, you gave me six, I think.

[Anthony Green]

Do you consider Frotus a hardcore?

[Beau]

I don't know what that is.

[Colin]

I've never considered.

[Anthony Green]

It's like a three piece, heavier band.

[Beau]

I know. Frodo. Frodo, you know. I don't know all.

[Anthony Green]

Yeah. Did you listen to 400 years?

[Beau]

Yeah.

[Anthony Green]

400 years was a great band. I was. I can't remember what the record was called, though. Like Transmission. I can't remember things. So my memory's so bad.

[Beau]

You're doing. You've been through a lot.

[Colin]

I'm not gonna lie.

[Beau]

You're still doing very well. Regardless. Anthony, I. We can't thank you enough for joining us today. My pleasure. It's been unbelievable.

[Anthony Green]

I love talking about music. I love you too. So much.

[Beau]

We love you so much.

[Anthony Green]

Paying attention to my bands and.

[Beau]

Oh, my God. Kidding me, dude.

[Anthony Green]

Yeah. Let's get old together.

[Beau]

Let's do it. I love that idea. We're gonna get old together. You're gonna get old with us.

[Anthony Green]

Let's start a band. We can start a band. You heard it here.

[Beau]

I'll play Mastronas.

[Anthony Green]

I'll play drums.

[Colin]

It can happen.

[Anthony Green]

I'm down.

[Beau]

It is. Thank you all for watching. Thank you all for listening. Ellis Dunes new record out now soon. Anthony Green, new record out every couple weeks.

[Anthony Green]

I'm working on some shit. There's some shit happening.

[Beau]

He's always got stuff. Check out anything he's doing anytime, because it's gonna be great.

[Colin]

Thank you.

[Beau]

Thank you all.

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