Best Guest Vocal Features of All Time

Summary

HardLore: Stories from Tour – Episode Summary

Episode Title: Best Guest Vocal Features of All Time
Release Date: December 5, 2024
Hosts: Colin Young (God's Hate) & Bo Lueders (Harm's Way)

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Introduction to the Episode

In this episode of HardLore: Stories from Tour, hosts Colin Young and Bo Lueders delve into the realm of guest vocal features within the hardcore, punk, and metal scenes. They explore what makes these collaborations stand out and discuss their personal favorites from across the genres.

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The Significance of Guest Vocal Features

Colin and Bo begin by emphasizing the importance of guest vocal parts in shaping the sound and legacy of bands within their genres.

[01:16] Colin: "Today on Hard Lore, we are talking all about the greatest guest vocal parts of all time. We're keeping it relative to, like hardcore metal punk adjacent things."

[03:30] Bo: "I almost called it a lost art. But it's not lost at all. It's ever present."

They highlight how these collaborations can create timeless moments and reinvigorate bands, ensuring that the essence of hardcore and its sub-genres remains dynamic and evolving.

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Hosts' Top Selections

Both hosts present their lists of the top guest vocal features, each selecting 15 tracks and narrowing them down to a personal top five. Their selections showcase a diverse range of collaborations that have left a significant impact on the music scene.

Colin Young's Top Picks:

1. Biohazard featuring Send Dog from Cypress Hill – "How It Is"

   • [00:00] Colin: "This guest vocals are something near and dear to the show."
   • Colin commends the seamless blend of hardcore rap with Cypress Hill's distinctive style.

2. Pain of Truth with James – "Not Through Blood"

   • [08:31] Bo: "James would do it towards the end of the tour. He would do that part every night."
   • The collaboration showcases a unique pairing that stands out despite initial unusual combinations.

3. Sepultura featuring Jello Biafra from Dead Kennedys – "Biotech is Godzilla Baby"

   • [19:42] Colin: "Jello wrote the lyrics. That's a lot that he's featured artistically on the entire thing."
   • A powerful fusion of Sepultura's thrash metal with Jello's punk fervor.

4. Demoborgir featuring ICS Vortex – "Progeny of the Great Apocalypse"

   • [33:05] Bo: "It's like a Rock of Legends clashing together."
   • An orchestral and harsh metal blend that pushes the boundaries of genre fusion.

5. Six Feet Under featuring Ice-T – "One Bullet Left"

   • [60:10] Colin: "This is the greatest guest vocal feature in the history of music."
   • A hard-hitting collaboration that exemplifies extreme vocal prowess.

Bo Lueders' Top Picks:

1. Converge featuring Jonah Jenkins – "Grim Heart, Black Rose"

   • [26:01] Colin: "Truly giving him the perfect spot to do his thing."
   • An intense performance that elevates both artists' contributions.

2. Terror featuring Jamie Josta and Lord Isaac – "Spit My Rage"

   • [69:09] Bo: "One of the greatest hardcore songs of all time."
   • A quintessential hardcore track with legendary vocalists delivering powerhouse performances.

3. Ringworm featuring James E. Furnace – "Hollow"

   • [66:47] Bo: "It's a perfect guest spot. How about we do this?"
   • A menacing collaboration that adds depth and aggression to the song.

4. Harm's Way featuring Porter – "Tear Stained Youth"

   • [44:30] Colin: "A perfect guest spot. They gave him this blank canvas, and he turned it into Picasso."
   • Porter’s fierce vocals bring a unique intensity to the track.

5. Ice Pick featuring Roger Moran, Freddie Madball, Paul Bearer, and Pete Morsi – "Real Recognizes Real"

   • [74:02] Bo: "One of the greatest entertainers of our time."
   • A dynamic ensemble featuring some of the most influential voices in hardcore and punk.

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Discussion and Insights

Throughout the episode, Colin and Bo share anecdotes and personal experiences related to their selections. They discuss the influence of these guest features on their own music careers and the broader hardcore scene.

• Interconnectedness of the Music Scene:

  [06:35] Colin: "Everything is a web of one thing. It's like this collective brain."

  They reflect on how collaborations often bring together different elements of the music community, fostering creativity and mutual respect among artists.

• Evolution of Guest Features:

  [10:38] Colin: "They swap it and you have a legendary band having a newer band on to give them the rub."

  The hosts note that guest features are not just about adding star power but also about evolving the sound and introducing fresh elements to established bands.

• Challenges and Rewards:

  [25:22] Bo: "It's a phenomenon. It'll bring tears to your eyes sometimes."

  They acknowledge that while integrating guest vocals can be challenging, the results often lead to memorable and impactful music moments.

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• Colin on Guest Vocal Integration:

  [03:30] Colin: "They've figured it out in a way where it's like always going to work. They pick really cool people. No bias there."

• Bo on the Emotional Impact:

  [04:34] Bo: "When you get to see the guy or the gal or whoever do the part in a guest spot, it is special."

• Colin on Legacy and Influence:

  [70:10] Colin: "Jamie defined, like, enunciation in perfectly audible words in an aggressive voice. He mastered that before anybody."

• Bo on Community and Collaboration:

  [54:27] Bo: "Putting this on was like. He did it again."

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Conclusion

Colin and Bo conclude the episode by expressing their excitement over the rich playlist they've curated, filled with incredible collaborations that have defined and elevated the hardcore, punk, and metal genres. They hint at upcoming episodes featuring special guests like Porter from Floor Punch and Craig Reynolds from Downbeat, as well as the anticipation of the Hard Lore Awards.

[82:22] Colin: "We hope you enjoyed this episode, and we will see you next week."

The episode serves as both a celebration and a critical analysis of guest vocal features, highlighting their essential role in the evolution and vibrancy of the hardcore music scene.

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Listen to the full episode on HardLore's platform and dive deep into the stories behind your favorite hardcore collaborations!

Transcript

[A]

Subscribe to the all new Hard Lore Patreon now for early ad, free access to every episode and an exclusive episode every month. My next pick, iconic guest spot. This is Biohazard featuring Send Dog from Cypress Hill. The song is how it is.

[B]

What record's that on?

[A]

This is on State of the God world address.

[B]

I listened to it recently. I don't remember.

[A]

It's because he fits in so per. Well, that's funny that you wouldn't remember because it goes, yo, Cypress Hill. Like, that's how the song starts. I'm pretty sure. Hello, welcome. It's Hard Lore time. How are you, Beau?

[B]

I'm so good. I'm saunaed up.

[A]

Good for you, man. You needed it. You just steam, dust, steamed ham, steam.

[B]

But you know what I needed more?

[A]

What?

[B]

To talk to you about a very special subject.

[A]

So true. Today on Hard Lore, we are talking all about the greatest guest vocal parts of all time. We're keeping it relative to, like hardcore metal punk adjacent things.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Rather than Queen featuring David Bowie and Michael Jackson featuring Stevie Wonder.

[B]

Peter Gabriel featuring Kate Bush.

[A]

Banger. You know, so we're not. We're talking. We're excluding some bangers, but we're talking about strictly bangers as well.

[B]

Yeah. Yes.

[A]

You know, this is an. Is an ancient art form. It's a tale as old as time. It's really the foundation of. Of of the genres in many ways.

[B]

And I was thinking about it last night. I think one of these. One of these is for sure. The first time I became aware, like a young interesting, where I was like, oh, that's someone else doing this part. I wonder who that is. And then figuring out who, you know, isn't it fun?

[A]

How many times in your life have you wondered who it is and just never looked it up? I mean, so many times I've been like, that guy sounds so cool. If only he sang for a band.

[B]

And then sure enough, he.

[A]

I will never know.

[B]

They're in the. In the. The Minute Work song. Who could it be now?

[A]

Who could it be?

[B]

There's a saxophone solo and just the. The timbre and kind of like bravado that's on. The saxophone solo sounds like Colin Haig, the singer. And I was like, it's probably him for the last, like 20 years. I was like, yeah, it's definitely him. It's not. It's not even close. It's just another guy. So the.

[A]

What's funny about. To me about that song is the saxophone part sounds exactly like. I like the way you move sure. Great songs, but that's a horror of the convers.

[B]

Not what we're talking about today.

[A]

This guest vocals are something near and dear to the show. You know, we're. We're. We've had our. We've got our own parts, you know, true. We've. I've done them for you. Yep, you've done them for me. Live. You know, we got. I've. I've had. I've done a ton. There's a bunch on Valley Beyond. There's the pain of truth one I did the three I've recorded that are coming out in 2025.

[B]

There's so many vamping know we got it. We get it.

[A]

I'm just saying.

[B]

So the. The thing that I was also thinking about last night when I was making this list was like I almost called it a lost art. But it's not lost at all. It's ever present. It's.

[A]

Yeah. I mean, hip hop, it's. It like is the basis of hip hop. It's like how new stars are born.

[B]

Interesting.

[A]

And using that. Using it as that kind of tool. Like a newer band having like a legend on.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

And you swap it and you have a legendary band having a newer band on to give them the rub. Either way, it's just this like perfect combination of two things. When done the right way, can create a timeless moment live. Can create a hit. A standout hit on an album.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And can reinvigorate somebody that maybe needed it.

[B]

Dude, I love when it's a live thing and it's the guy.

[A]

Oh, man.

[B]

When you get to see the guy or the gal or whoever do the part in a guest spot, it is. It's special. It's a special.

[A]

It's a phenomenon. It's. That'll bring tears your eyes sometimes. Yeah.

[B]

Yeah, totally.

[A]

So here we go. We've each picked 15 and a top five.

[B]

Yes. And I'll tell you what, this playlist.

[A]

Absolutely insane.

[B]

It's going to be insane.

[A]

Many things represented here.

[B]

I'm. I'm going to take it away. I'm going to start first because you mentioned it and I'm given. I don't. I don't do this to toot your horn. Lord knows I hate tooting your horn.

[A]

It's too.

[B]

But I'm going with various artists. The Valley Beyond. God's hate. By God's hate.

[A]

Now I sit back to watch you die.

[B]

That the way in which you did it, the symbolism behind who's doing it. Can you list off everyone who's who's doing that? I know. They're all.

[A]

So it's. The first verse is the. Is like all of God's hate.

[B]

Right?

[A]

And then it's Scott Vogel, who. Transplanted from Buffalo to the valley.

[B]

He's got a badge. He's got a.

[A]

Got a badge. Nick Jett, born and raised. One of the. One of the kings.

[B]

The sheriff.

[A]

Absolutely. Aldo Felix, the mayor, singer of Human Garbage. And then God's Sake comes back to reprise the end of the second verse. And then Anthony finally sings in the. In the, like, bridge part. Yeah, that. That was the vision, just putting that song together. And that song was inspired by Bone Thugs, which I think just the music being inspired by bone things was like, okay, we gotta have this Has Got to Be Grand.

[B]

And the hip hop crossover, like you just said. And so it all really ties together. It's funny, Colin, you texted me a little fact like, an hour ago. And it's crazy as we do this show how we realize how often everything is intertwined. Like, everything is a web of one thing. And it's like this collective brain, you.

[A]

Know, to quote Max Cavalera.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Everything comes from somewhere. And that's it.

[B]

That's it.

[A]

My first pick is it was. You know, it's hard to mention guest vocals and collaborative songs in general without mentioning the 1993 soundtrack to the film Judgment Night. And I'm picking what may be a dark horse pick to some.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Faith no More, featuring Booyah Tribe, Another Body Murdered.

[B]

We might have vastly different lists.

[A]

I think we do, man.

[B]

I'm really impressed with this. This is crazy.

[A]

I think we've got. I think I was expecting, like, same, same, same, same, same, same. I think. I think it's gonna be a very different playlist, which is great. I think this is the best song soundtrack for one because there's real drums and a lot of these songs are finished hip hop beats with guitars dubbed over them, which is sick. Like, Judgment Night, the song. Awesome.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

But it is a hip hop song with some hardcore throne on top of it. Whereas this feels like a Faith no More Booyah Tribe song, which is sick. Which is really cool. Absolute banger Mike Patton in his prime. Say no More, Faith no More.

[B]

My next one. So these first 15, just for everybody. Listen, they're in, like, Collins that. They're in no order at all. So this is just. This is just going until we get to the top five. So the next one I have is, again, kind of a symbolic one because I just think it's really cool. It's Steve from 200 Stab Wounds doing the part and acting up.

[A]

My next pick, just so you know, is just Pain of Truth.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah, Totally off their. Their LP Not Through Blood. James did it on the Kubla Khan tour that we did with Pain of Truth. James would do it towards the end of the tour. He would do that part every night. And it's just cool to like. I don't know. The pairing of Stab Wounds and Pain of Truth is not one that you would put together. But again, it's this cool thing where everything is. Everything is.

[A]

This. This part is a great example of. It's the same lyrics as when he does the chorus the first time. This is a great example of how just another voice doing the same part can. Can make it stand out and feel like something else. 100 man and pain of Truth in general is. Has established themselves as like the guest.

[B]

Vocal band which, like, if every band started doing that, it would drive me crazy.

[A]

It would not work.

[B]

It wouldn't work.

[A]

This could have been a crutch for them.

[B]

Yes. But it's.

[A]

This could have been like. Of course the first couple months of live shows would be great because you got all your buddies doing the parts. But when you become like a worldwide touring band, that's not always an option. But they've figured it out in a way where it's like always going to work. They nail it on the record. They pick really cool people. No bias there. I don't mean me. I mean the other guys.

[B]

People.

[A]

Just a. Just a great band. This is probably the best one. It's a toss up for me between like this, the bad seed one, the Ty one.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

There's a lot of good ones.

[B]

There's a lot. There's a lot of good ones, dude. Even like Freddy sounds awesome on. On his one, you know, so it's like, yeah, it was kind of a taught up toss up, but it is the one that stands out the most to me.

[A]

Agreed.

[B]

And like, I knew I was gonna do a Painted Truth one on this because it's. Yeah, yeah, yeah, got it.

[A]

That's the. I mean that's. That's probably the one.

[B]

Yeah, I think so too. Cool.

[A]

So that's my number two as well. So you or my next pick. So why don't you just keep going?

[B]

So now we're going up. We're going. We're going northeast. Near and dear to you. It's going to be Rob Lind on life sentence. Peace and security.

[A]

Fantastic death threat, dude.

[B]

He again sounds the contrast between Aaron's Vocals and Rob's vocals are like so awesome. The joker laugh at the end is like. It's like, it's awesome. It's just like unique and. And I don't know, it's.

[A]

I mean, that's. That's like an all time great and unique. Like, there's nobody that sounds like Rob.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

You know?

[B]

Yes.

[A]

So you put him next to somebody like Aaron, who nobody sounds like.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

And you've got magic.

[B]

Pure magic. And. And it was really cool, man. I was on Spotify. I was at the gym on Spotify, making this list. And I was just letting like probably started with terror, just letting the radio roll. And it would be like, oh, they. He did. Oh. But. And I was like, that's how I like populated this. It was awesome. So I love, obviously that record is incredible. This particular guest spot, like, stands out.

[A]

That's a great one. And, you know, it doesn't hurt that you got one of the greats singing with one of the greats.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

What's better than that? We'll talk more about them later.

[B]

The rest of this list.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah. My next pick out of partly out of Chicago, Illinois, Damnation ad featuring Patrick Stump from Fall Out Boy. The song is. If you could remember.

[B]

I don't even know that song.

[A]

It's from the record that's from the newest one.

[B]

The newest.

[A]

I think it's the newest one now with the like, girl with the chest hat on the COVID Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

This was so baffling and confusing to me the first time I heard it because I was just. I remember the. The day the record came out, putting it on.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And being like, that's the Fallout Boy guy. What the.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And then second listen around being like, think this rocks.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

And it very much is a Damnation song with a Fallout Boy hook.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

Which I have to imagine for Damnation was like, well, you'll do it. Oh, damn. Okay. That's crazy. And for Patrick was probably like, that guy loves cool.

[B]

So something that like when I. The way. Oh, this is a good example. The way E Town is for you, I think, is what Damnation was in Chicago for Chicago, for all of the older guys than us were like, Damnation's the band.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Damnation is what we all wanted to be. Damnation and Earth Mover are like the two heavy bands and Earth Crisis that we all wanted to be. That we all like. If we saw them, it was like chaos. It was violence and was super influential for like the convicted stuff. That was just like something that all of us liked. And I'm. I don't know Patrick personally, but I'm 100% sure that that's where that all comes from. Because all of the fallible boy dudes are older hardcore dudes who were in the scene at the time.

[A]

Absolutely.

[B]

Great pick. I need to revisit.

[A]

I think you're gonna. I think you're gonna be like, that's wild. That is Damnation featuring Patrick. It sounds. It is exactly as I'm describing it.

[B]

You' one thing that's awesome about Damnation, and this is a band we don't talk about that much that deserves some flowers is they like. They were weird. They did weird shit a lot and it's fucking. It's so cool. They covered all the pornography by the Cure.

[A]

So insane just to do it.

[B]

Just cuss and it's awesome. If you're curious about Damnation ad just look up the song the Hanged Man. Listen to that all the way through and just.

[A]

No more dreams. Front to back is front is fantastic.

[B]

Yeah. Love it. My next pick. You're gonna hate Colin and I'm sorry to do this to you. This should be the only one I think that you'll hate.

[A]

Oh, I know what you're doing.

[B]

But it's an all. It's an undeniable guest feature. It's featuring.

[A]

Yeah, I get it.

[B]

It's super penisy too. The song in general.

[A]

I know what it is already.

[B]

Maynard from Tool doing the guest spot on Passenger off of White Pony by the Deftones. One of the coolest, most unique little parts. I I It to me is. Is like kind of a perfect example of taking someone who has a strength and applying it into a song.

[A]

That strength.

[B]

You know, there's videos of like Haley doing this part with Deftones and it's. They're not using her strength because it's too low for her. It's like well within her register. Whereas for Maynard, he's pushing it so hard that it sounds awesome. So.

[A]

You know I love me some Mayard.

[B]

I know, I know. So may I. I was hoping this would.

[A]

I'm all about I'm a Tool. I'm. I'm the Tool Man.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And the song and, and I, I deeply respect Chino and there and the. And the band for their artistry. You know, it's just not for me musically of course, but I get it and I. Like I said, I. I knew this was coming right already. Which is a testament to how iconic it is.

[B]

Totally a good point. As a non fan, you probably know the melody and you, like, know it, you know. Good point.

[A]

My next pick is very different, but in a way it's the same because it's two icons clashing.

[B]

Beautiful.

[A]

You know, in a way that was like. Oh, yeah, of course. And it's 25 to life featuring Freddie Madwall in Loyal to the Grave. This is something. Listen, I have people all the time who are like, I don't like 25 to life. And I'm like, first of all, you're an idiot. Second of all, you just don't know yet. And then you put this on and they have no idea that this is what they sound like.

[B]

Yeah. The Greatest Breakdowns playlist was that for me. I never, like.

[A]

That's pretty good.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Totally, totally.

[A]

Band rocks. This is a top three, 25 to life tracks, probably. The opening riff is insane. And you can very much hear, I think it's like, dudes from Demise playing on this record, which that music was.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Way billions of years ahead of its time. So this kind of is too, man. Keeping it real. Strength or unity. Legitimately great records have stood the test of time. Say what you will, it is what it is. Loyal to the Grave.

[B]

Good pick. Now, you know, it was not surprising, I guess, but just a surprise because I am unfamiliar with the catalog. Didn't know Freddy did that.

[A]

And, you know, I always put 25 to life on these lists.

[B]

I do.

[A]

It's great.

[B]

He finds a way. He finds a way. All right. We're bringing it back to hard. Bring it back straight back to hardcore. And I thought this was the first time I was aware of a band doing a guest spot, but it isn't. I found an earlier one, Joe Hardcore, Eye for an Eye off of the Blacklisted. It was a Blacklisted First Blood split. It was a single. Either way, by Blacklisted, he. He has a whole bridge part.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And he sounds. First of all, the song is one of the. One of the heaviest songs. One of the heaviest hardcore songs in, like, the last 20 years.

[A]

Oh, yeah. Of that era, I would say. This is like. This is one of the, like, scariest pit to be in type songs, you know, to the point. And it's in it. Which is crazy because it's not even that, like, the part is particularly hard.

[B]

Right.

[A]

It's like this Joe's part is so scary and intimidating.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

With the. Even without a breakdown really, like, happening.

[B]

Yeah, the breakdown part is scary. Yeah. The breakdown is the first second of the song. Like, it's.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

The intro is what. What Would get people to the point.

[A]

Where a song is scary and why I'm pretty.

[B]

I think they resented the song by the end. Like they, they didn't like because it's all people wanted. It was like play that song. Which, you know that'll happen.

[A]

That happens. But you got like, you got to just put, put it aside and play the song.

[B]

Sure. But you know what's cool about Dude, Blacklisted is a band that I drew a lot of influence from, I think without doing it on purpose, without really realizing it. But the fact that they just wrote a different song that they did you ever see them like tease it and then they would play Canonize? Yeah, like stuff like that.

[A]

But when that's like next record they were like we're going to allude to this because we're done playing, we're over it.

[B]

Stop asking. But to see them play it. And then I, I saw them play it with Joe doing the part and that was.

[A]

That's. There you go.

[B]

Pretty sick.

[A]

So the guy doing the part.

[B]

What's the guy doing the part?

[A]

Man, here's one I doubt we'll ever see the guy doing the part. 4. This is a life changing record, lifechanging song. And I have to imagine for them this was the craziest thing in the world at the time. The band is Sepultura featuring Jello Biafra from the Dead Kennedys. The song is Biotech is Godzilla baby.

[B]

What's crazy is I almost put this but I was afraid of the ridicule.

[A]

No, dude, this rips. Jello wrote the lyrics.

[B]

He wrote, he wrote the lyrics and he does the Godzilla which is cool. But dude, the fucking bio. That riff is fucking awesome.

[A]

It's. It's insane. And here's the thing. And this is, this is proof that a guest vocal part doesn't need to be a duet throughout the song. Yeah, it could be a moment and. And young 10 year old me hears that moment and goes what the hell was that?

[B]

Yeah, who was that? Yeah, yeah.

[A]

All it takes is a coup words to stand out and make something unique with amongst the context of a full album.

[B]

So there are some kind of honorary mentions, honorable mentions that I have that I didn't include for that reason like Jesse Stanhardt did one, two, you on a couple things. I didn't include that because it's. It's so short or like Porter doing bust on the no warning song. I didn't include that.

[A]

It's pretty good.

[B]

It's pretty sick and I didn't know it for years. But I didn't include those because it felt, like, too easy.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

However, I will contest that Jello wrote the lyrics. That's.

[A]

Jello wrote the lyrics. That's a lot that he's featured artistically on the entire thing.

[B]

Totally great pick.

[A]

Thank you. That.

[B]

That is a song. That was a skit when I was younger. It's like, I don't want this weird song. And now I like the. I love that part.

[A]

I love the weird songs on Chaos Ad are probably my favorite. Like that we who and out as Others, the Kaiwadon, the instrumental that they recorded live in a church.

[B]

Yeah. Totally awesome, dude.

[A]

And you know why they did it live?

[B]

No. Tell me. Were they high?

[A]

They were like, this would be impossible to perform live. And then they watched a video of Neurosis where they all put down their instruments and just started banging on drums, the whole band. And they were like, we are recording live.

[B]

So cool. Hey, speaking of the coolest guy ever, Max Cavalera, Endless Resistance, the Nails.

[A]

Oh, my God, dude. Incredible pick.

[B]

I. I love Sepultura and I love Max. And I. His voice is awesome. And the. The. The fact that both brothers, Both the Cavalier brothers, stay so tuned in.

[A]

In ways you've never imagined you couldn't imagine.

[B]

Yeah. It.

[A]

And I'll go into story time here, and maybe I should save this for the Nails episode, but I'm not gonna. The other day, when Dead Body played with Nails at the Belasco, Max sang Territory and Endless Resistance. I've never met him before.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But Taylor texts me, like, come around to this side. Max wants to say what's up?

[B]

Cool.

[A]

So it's like, I'm sprinting.

[B]

Drop everything.

[A]

Yeah, I drop everything. I'm on my way. I was on the other side. He walks off stage after doing these parts, and, like, there's. There's, like, people waiting for him there that, like, either he knows or just, like, fans waiting to see him. He's. He looks at me and gives me a big hug, and it, like, stuns me.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That. That was, like, a moment I've been waiting for my entire life. Like, legit. First CDA I ever bought. One of the first bands I ever loved. Completely shaped everything about me musically. And then he starts talking, and it's like, dude, you are so tapped in. It's unbelievable. He knows everything. He listens to everything. He's gonna be on the show soon. He wants to do it with Igor. He said three hours, four hours, five hours.

[B]

Let's record it live in a church. Yeah.

[A]

So if you Coolest guy ever.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

The Proves and Endless Resistance as a single. Like, this is the. The last thing that Taylor played on. And it was part of an album that was, I think, at the time, like, maybe they thought wasn't ready. So they just recorded these two songs. And these two songs were so good that it, like, didn't even matter that they weren't attached to an album. This is like, the truest example of a single.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Being so strong that it doesn't even matter.

[B]

Great, great example.

[A]

One of the hardest nail songs, period.

[B]

100. It's top three, probably. I. I just love. I just love Sepultura getting more. As much attention as possible in any. In any facet. That's all I want. That's all I.

[A]

And he. And this is another great example of him doing his thing. Dude.

[B]

Yeah. Right.

[A]

His accent is one of the. Being, like, in a singing.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Way.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Is so. It's so much harder. And when he does, like, fast patterns, they're like.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

It comes off just, like, so much more aggressive and meaningful.

[B]

It's awesome.

[A]

And. And nails. Really, really let him shine here. Beautiful. Beautifully done. Speaking of support goat. Goats. Supporting goats. This one, I is, like, probably number six, if we're being honest, you know?

[B]

Okay. Okay.

[A]

Converge featuring Jonah Jenkins, Grim Heart, Black Rose.

[B]

That's. That's a little further up for me. That's fair. Talk about it.

[A]

This is the best contemporary metal core band, if you can even call them that.

[B]

Sure.

[A]

Because they're just so in a league of their own. Putting on for a cult hometown hero and one of the greatest extreme music vocalizers in history. Who. The most underrated.

[B]

Probably one of the most talented. For sure.

[A]

100%. And just, like, truly giving him the perfect spot to do his thing. The melodies, the lyrics, the vibe is off the charts. He sings alone for, like, four minutes.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. Basically does an entire song before the song becomes an entire other song. This is a top five Converged track. And they're a band with no less than a thousand bangers, so that's an insane statistic.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And this is like. This, to me, is. I said this in the Only Living Witness episode. This feels like the series finale of Only Living Witness.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

It feels like the bow.

[B]

It's like the movie that comes out after the series.

[A]

Exactly.

[B]

It's like, here's.

[A]

Here's what this guy could do. Can you believe this?

[B]

Here's Sex in the City, movie one.

[A]

The movie.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

In Egypt.

[B]

I love this. I obviously listened to it as I was Making this list.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

He's so fucking good. No Heroes is so fucking good.

[A]

That's. That's my favorite one. Really? Yeah.

[B]

I think I'm. You fail me after I'm Jane Doe kind of goes on. It's like. I think.

[A]

I think no Heroes after both of those was a harder statement overall.

[B]

Oh, totally.

[A]

Because it's much harder record. Which for me at that time was like, exactly what I was looking for.

[B]

Got you. Got you.

[A]

Crazy.

[B]

What a band.

[A]

What a band. One of the greats.

[B]

We should do an episode of just ranking converged songs.

[A]

We should do an episode called what a Band where we just, like, list bands. Like guys list like NFL players.

[B]

Yeah. Just.

[A]

Great fan.

[B]

Listen to me. All right. My next one. My number. God, I'm counting backwards.

[A]

Doesn't matter.

[B]

In between. It doesn't matter. But Patrick Stump. Jock power. Violence. Worthless. Weekend nachos.

[A]

Seems like a cool guy, man.

[B]

Dude, right? Like. And also the first, there's a solo that starts the record and that's Joe from Fallout Boy playing it. So there's two Fall Up Boy features on one weekend nachos record. Which is crazy.

[A]

Yeah. And Patrick, which both were legally had to be under the radar.

[B]

Yes. I believe that's under the radar. But he is it. If you. I think it's on Discogs. It's like, it says Patrick's not.

[A]

That's like Michael Jackson in the Simpsons episode. You know, we all know now.

[B]

Was it actually him?

[A]

Yes. It was. Not singing.

[B]

Not singing. Right.

[A]

But the. The character was him. The voice was him.

[B]

What was Curly? What was his name? Was it Curly?

[A]

No, his name was Michael Jackson. No, when he says at the end, when he breaks, it is like Larry or something.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Just the fact that when this was recorded, Fall Out Boy was as big as ever.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know, Top of the world. The fact that Patrick would do this. He screams on it the last few lines. He's like screaming. Which, like, for a guy with the. One of the craziest voices ever.

[A]

One of the crispest, cleanest, most smoothest voice. He's. He's these like punk Michael Buble, you know, there's no difference between the two.

[B]

The identical.

[A]

Just melted butter.

[B]

So I love it that they usually close with that. It's just like a highlight of. Of probably the band. The record. Any live set, it rocks. It's really cool that Patrick did it. Sounds great. And I think, dude, he's like a infamous. This is a little insider trading, but he's like an infamous one and done just like, first take kind of guy. There is a cover of Roxanne the follow boy did that's out there. That they didn't have time in the studio. And he was like, just let me do it once so I can get it down. And that's the take that's on the whole. It's a one take, Kate Bush esque, straight up. Is fucking crazy. So unbelievable. That's my pick.

[A]

Go, Patrick, go. All right, my next pick is band called Stigmata.

[B]

Oh.

[A]

From the album Hymns for an Unknown God, which was produced in whole by Harley Flanagan.

[B]

Oh.

[A]

The song Burning Human features Harley Flanagan.

[B]

I had no idea.

[A]

Oh, dude, you put this on, you're gonna get goosebumps, man. He's going full.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I've sang with this, with them, which is very special. But aside from that, this is a band that finding them was. Was very influential to me just in terms of writing and my interests. And like, this is such a unique piece of aggressive music where there's so much melody intertwined in a way that doesn't make it any less hard, which I'm all about. And then Harley comes in finally at the end on the closing track. Sings the beginning and end. And it just feels like this big. Like in 97 or 96. Whenever. 95, whenever this was. That's huge.

[B]

Yeah, that's.

[A]

And having him produce it was huge. And clearly, I don't know how much he contributed to it, but this record sounds perfect. He sounds incredible on it. Burning Human. Great song, great band.

[B]

I probably didn't know it because it's the last track and I am a serial skipper of.

[A]

I remember one time we played Frigid. The Frigid Breakdown.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And you and Sabo were like, what was that part?

[B]

Really?

[A]

This is the end of the album.

[B]

How about. How about that? I skip, man. I move on.

[A]

It's all right.

[B]

My next one and all time. Never seen him do it, but I've seen many, many a scary man do it. Is Tad's part. And believe Secrets of the World.

[A]

We're going to have to say this one.

[B]

No problem. No problem.

[A]

Yeah. Great pick.

[B]

Thank you.

[A]

A top four pick. Someone said my next pick is an interesting one because it's a member of the band singing the part.

[B]

Oh.

[A]

But my God, he's not in the band anymore.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

And since then they only perform with a full choir to do his parts. He's so fucking good at what he does that only a choir of many, many people could replace him. The band is demuborgir. The man is ICS Vortex. The song is progeny of the great apocalypse. This is up right up there with Genesis warning. Fucking Barry White in like best bridges in history in all music. This thing hits and you will lift off the ground a little bit in a way that will scare your friends and family. But you will finally feel at ease because you've heard a six part harmony sang by a European guy in a way that you can't believe this. Inspired, of course. God seats a God Tate six feet deep. Which I also tried to achieve a ICS Forte esque six part harmony for. No. No big deal. But you know, I'm a shell of what this man can do. Truly. Like perfect voice, insane performance, timeless song.

[B]

What did he do in the. In the band?

[A]

I think he was the keyboard guy.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Which now they. It's full orchestra live. Which is why they never play in America.

[B]

Right. How could you can't the. I saw the who a couple years ago and they would. They had full orchestras every night and they would just basically hire the local philharmonic.

[A]

Which like at that point makes sense because you're just reading. You're just songs.

[B]

Yeah. Right.

[A]

But like I can. I know from experience. I've tried to hire choirs to sing parts and they really care about the lyrics they're singing. If it says they're not gonna do it.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

Demon Borgir is like Satan fucking rules.

[B]

Yeah. Right, Right.

[A]

So the local San Fernando children's choir is not gonna do that.

[B]

Interesting. Maybe they had a birthday to do or something.

[A]

Exactly.

[B]

My next one. You'll see exactly why I went from Tad to this. You know what's interesting, Colin? Something we didn't talk about at the beginning. I might have bands multiple time on this with different guest features, but I tried not to have a repeat singer.

[A]

I didn't do a repeat. A single repeat band.

[B]

Okay. I don't. I just so you know, I think I did one but I didn't do any repeat singers because I wanted to pick that person's best or my favorite.

[A]

That's fair.

[B]

So justice has quite a few. I picked what I think is. Is just. Just what I think is like the coolest because he sounds awesome. And it's on Never die off of outcry by Never Ending Game. I think. I think that song was like almost written with him in mind. You know what I mean?

[A]

It was co written by Sam.

[B]

Perfect. And does Sam do the other guest? Guess maybe someone else does. I don't know if it's somebody in the band or not, but yeah. So it. The DNA literally was. The DNA of TUI is like, in this song. 100 Justice. Finishing in that and then doing. There's like, the weird vocal effect on the last line. It just, like, it felt like, oh, you know, it got me. And immediately. Because the song following this is like, kind of like the. Like the kind of.

[A]

Yeah, the big ballady song.

[B]

Yeah. So it's like the record. It takes you places. And this is the one that goes like. Like, this is where we came from.

[A]

In your face. Up your ass.

[B]

This is.

[A]

You know, I love his pulling teeth part too.

[B]

Dude.

[A]

He's got. He's got some bangers. He's.

[B]

He's got some good ones. That one was in consideration for sure.

[A]

But this one. This one is. Is a standout in his discog on the album all around. Fantastic pick.

[B]

Thank you.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

I got all heat coming up.

[A]

Yeah, this is good. Coming. I'm excited.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

My next pick, iconic for guest spot. This is biohazard featuring send dog from cypress hill. The song is how it is.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

It's how it is, yo. It's how it is.

[B]

What records that are.

[A]

This is on state of the goddamn world address.

[B]

What's funny is because I listened to it recently, as you know, I was. I was messaging you about it. I don't remember.

[A]

It's because he fits in so well. That's funny that you wouldn't remember because it goes, yo, Cypress Hill. Like, that's how the song starts. I'm pretty sure.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It's the Cypress Hill he. But this isn't. This is like. This is a better hardcore rap song than judgment night.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Like, this is better. This belongs more so on something like that than. Than that. I think this is, like, the perfect example of how rap music is rap music because of the lyrical content and the vocal flow and stuff. Like, he's just rapping. He's just doing his thing over a hardcore song.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

And it sounds completely natural.

[B]

Cool.

[A]

Like a great beat and a great riff. Is a great beat in a great riff, no matter what instrument it's being played on.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

We're like. It's such a fucking perfect melding of worlds here. This is iconic song. It's one of the best songs in the album. It was a single. There's a great video.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

And I've seen him do it live. Wow. Which is beautiful.

[B]

That seems rare.

[A]

That seems like it was at that. It was biohazards, like, come back to l. A. Where they opened for suicidal and only played first three records.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And it was Insane.

[B]

Did you see the clip that was going on recently with one of the guys from Cypress Hill and they're in Australia and he's like, oh, yeah, but talk about high school. He's like, oh, I went to high school with that guy right there. That's Dave Lombardo from Slayer. And Dave's just in the crowd. He's just like, yeah.

[A]

Ah, that's insane.

[B]

It's all like, they were obviously playing the same fest somewhere in Australia.

[A]

And he just went, so cool.

[B]

He just went to see his, his buddy from high school do an interview because it was, there's like a crowd. It was awesome.

[A]

Dave Lombardo, man. Pay the man. God damn it.

[B]

The goat.

[A]

Bam. Yeah. Biohazard. How it is? Send dog. Iconic. Historic. Legendary.

[B]

I, I'm really, as often is, I'm, I'm very happy with how different our lists are. For me.

[A]

I knew they would be. I knew they were either going to be absolutely identical or almost nothing in common.

[B]

The top five might. I don't know.

[A]

I think we'll have a couple.

[B]

I see. I know one for sure. Yeah. My next pick. One of the coolest on this whole list. And I know you're gonna appreciate this, George. Corpse Grinder. Can't help but hate Pain Into Power Terror.

[A]

Absolutely fantastic.

[B]

It's so cool. I, I, I, I can't express.

[A]

10Th LP, dude.

[B]

Yeah. 10th LP top.

[A]

And it's in the top three they've ever done. And it's, and it's constantly evolving and doing shit like this that makes it happen.

[B]

I, I, I know I've told the story before, but I just want to reiterate that George told specifically talked to James and I about how much he loves hardcore. Specifically New York hardcore. Specifically Straight Edge hardcore. Like, that's his favorite. He thinks it's like the most angry and he loves it.

[A]

I love it.

[B]

He. We walked off stage one time and he went make a change. And like, did a Ray Capo thing as we were walking by. And then we talked about it and.

[A]

You sat there like, what?

[B]

And well then we were like, oh, yeah, that was a. You guys excited for Christmas? And then we talked about Christmas movies for 30 minutes. That's exactly how it went. It was in New Orleans.

[A]

This is absolutely iconic. I only didn't put it on here because I have another Terror song on here. And that was. I made that rule going in. But this is like easily number two, dude of all Terror guest spots.

[B]

I, I didn't put the furnace one because it's so short. What have we Done. It's really brief, so I was like, I'll give, you know, Furnaces. He'll get his in a bit. But yeah, Corpse Grinder doing the. It's like, it's.

[A]

It sounds perfect.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And like, this is a. This is Todd's back on this one.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Helping them write this record. And this is like, I imagine Todd maybe writing this part. This part. It's kind of. Kind of. The whole song is. Is perfect. This record's insane. Painted to power. I'm still listening to it all the time. Just fantastic. And it applies directly to my next pick.

[B]

Oh, perfect.

[A]

Take a. Take a trip with me, but strap in for this one.

[B]

Strap.

[A]

The band is Suffocation. The song is called Mass Obliteration. The year is 1991. This is four years before he joined Cannibal Corpse in his first ever recorded vocal performance. Corpse Grinder. Really the first thing he ever sang on was Effigy of the Forgotten, the song Mass Obliteration. This is. I mean, this is already the hardest and heaviest one of the hardest and heaviest bands of all time. And then you've got them picking this man out of obscurity.

[B]

Yeah. I wonder how that, like, he sang for band.

[A]

He, like, he sang for bands, but just was a local guy, like a live guy, and hadn't recorded anything. And then obviously in a few years, few short years, he joined Cannibal Corpse, completely transformed the band. Made help make them what they are today. Recorded all their best records.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Sue me.

[B]

He might.

[A]

This is iconic, man. Yeah. And it's not like a huge part, but you know it when you hear it. And it's crazy to hear how locked in his voice already was just.

[B]

Yeah. Like, he had the.

[A]

He had it, man. So there it is.

[B]

Isn't that cool, dude? Yeah. Yeah. Isn't that so cool?

[A]

It really is.

[B]

Everything is one. Everything is one thing.

[A]

Everything comes from somewhere.

[B]

Straight up, dude. Next, something so near and dear to you that this might be in a top five for you. It is Aaron from Death Threat. So alone off of in the Eyes of the Lord by 100 demons.

[A]

It's my next pick. Bo.

[B]

Perfect. Colin. Perfect.

[A]

You have two juggernauts finally meeting. This is. This is Ben Franklin, George Washington to the great presidents finally meeting on Mount. On the top of Mount Rushmore. You sing together.

[B]

You saying that as me. Just like.

[A]

Ben Franklin, obviously. The hundredth president and George Washington, the first president, finally meeting to sing together in a way that is so beautiful and so powerful. This is like legit one of my favorite Hardcore songs ever.

[B]

So obviously every. Everything. The song is great, dude. The ride bell on the. That part's incredible. The way he starts the song like, that part's awesome. But the highlight for me is still alive, wishing I was dead. Saying in the way that he sings it is like, like, I. I just got chills. I. I just got chills thinking about the delivery. The way he does it again. A voice that's like that, dude. I remember we used to, like, go to a restaurant and order Death Threat style. So we'd be like, I'll have a pancake and coffee, right? Like every, like, whatever. Everybody would do that. And like, it seems novel as when you're young, you know, but now it's like now that I'm older, you can appreciate how, like, the identity. It's an identity. Nobody sounds like that.

[A]

And it's so good. They were so great together that they went ahead and did it again on the song Still Alone. Death threat featuring Bruce LePage on forgotten government. My next pick, still alive. Wish I got my. They did it again, man. What can I say? All the lyrical callbacks here. Yeah, it's like both bands trading parts. I've seen them do it live.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

What can you do, you know? That's perfect. Two of my favorites.

[B]

Doing it again, Connecticut.

[A]

Say no more.

[B]

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[A]

Oh, my God. Did you drink yours today?

[B]

Of course. That's how I start. It's literally how I start every day.

[A]

Well. Well, golly. And it's me, too. And that's, I think, why I'm feeling so damn good, why I'm so energized. I get all my daily vitamins, my probiotics, my prebiotics. Everything that I was missing for years.

[B]

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[A]

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[B]

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[A]

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[B]

God, does he?

[A]

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[B]

I forgot to mention that smells so bad. We've been meaning to talk to you about your dad.

[A]

Yeah, your grandpa. They both absolutely reek. And it can be fixed with a few simple products all available on manscaped.com.

[B]

Which products would that be, Colin?

[A]

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[B]

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[A]

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[B]

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[A]

True. They ship pretty fast though. So you got time.

[B]

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[A]

And God knows that he needs that dude. He's scaring everybody when he goes out with the nose and the ear hair. Okay, we're not trying.

[B]

We love the guy. We're not trying to be mean, but he needs to take care of that. Okay?

[A]

It's true. But again, if. If your dad's no longer with us, I'm sorry for your loss.

[B]

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[A]

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[B]

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[A]

We can't keep buying these things, man.

[B]

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[A]

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[A]

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[B]

It's rare. And dude who is working this guy, he's constantly reeling and dealing. He's out there. If you have stuff that you want to sell, get in contact with Luke. That's something that he does do. He's always posting, he's buying, he's selling, he's doing everything.

[A]

Always. You might have looked at it yesterday. There's something new on there today that you're gonna miss it and it's gonna piss you off. Because it happens to me every day. I go, what the hel. You tell me. You had this.

[B]

Oh, I sold that a week ago.

[A]

Yeah. What the hell, man? I wanted that. I told you not to post Bad Religion stuff. Anyway, my next pick.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Is Bad Religion, and I had a hard time picking. They have a, they have a number of features.

[B]

Do they?

[A]

That are all good. Eddie Vedder sings on a song.

[B]

Right, right, right, right.

[A]

Tim Armstrong sings on a great song. But to me, this one stood out immediately. On the album Recipe for Hate. The song is called Struck a Nerve. I think this is a great example of how simple something like this can be. Johnette Napolitano from the band Concrete Blonde sings on it.

[B]

Oh, cool.

[A]

It is entirely just a harmony of the bridge until she just belts out the title of the song. And it completely makes the song. It's at the very end.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And you're sitting there the whole time waiting for it. Wow. After you know it's there, it's like, I can't wait for that part to come.

[B]

Yeah, right, right, right.

[A]

Because it's. She sounds so different than Greg. It's so iconic and memorable in the context of the record. It's a, it's a pretty fast record overall, aside from like American Jesus and this and a couple of the other tracks. So it is like a mid tempo banger amongst a punk record.

[B]

A punk record.

[A]

And I think this is the, I think this is the one.

[B]

I love it. That, that's. I was wondering if you're gonna work Bad Religion into, into this list.

[A]

They, they got features, man. They got them.

[B]

It's cool. I, I, yeah, it's. We'll get to, we'll get to the first time. The first time I noticed the feature is in my top five. So we'll get to it, but.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

It's just. It's just such a cool concept. I'm also noticing how much crossover there is with all of the remaining bands. So my next one is Jacob Bannon. He's on two songs on the same record of But a Whimper by Ramala.

[A]

Well, he was in the band.

[B]

Bannon was in Ramallah.

[A]

He was in Ramallah for that record.

[B]

No shit.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Mind blown. I had no idea. I had absolutely no idea. What did he do?

[A]

I think he was maybe keys or something, or he was just second vocals. Really? Yeah.

[B]

Had no idea. Hard Lore exclusive.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

Well, he does backup vocals on the song Ramallah and Al Shafa.

[A]

Dude.

[B]

Ever the. The song. I. I like more Ramala than this record, but this is my favorite.

[A]

Yeah. I mean, this is. This is front to back, like, masterpiece level.

[B]

It's on.

[A]

It's insane, dude. It's like. It. Putting this on was like. He did it again.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

You got. You got Rob, Jeff, G, and Bannon in one. In a band that's the most powerful band of all. Song.

[B]

The pit part to the. To Ramallah. The song itself is, like, so heavy and so cool.

[A]

Is that.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

It's. I mean, it's. It's awesome. It's a. It's one of those parts, too, that kind of, like, you can trace where it came from, you know? It's just. It's just awesome in a way.

[A]

That is exciting, though. It's not. You're not like, they ripped that off. You're like.

[B]

No.

[A]

That's so cool that they got that from that 100.

[B]

And. And Al Shifa is sick, too, because of just the back. It. Like. It's awesome. It's awesome. I didn't know Bannon was in the band. I had absolutely no idea. But the fact that he's doing his. The Converge thing.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

The. Over. It is like. It was just awesome. And it's. It's very Massachusetts.

[A]

I mean, it adds just another dynamic element that you. That sets the. Set the whole band apart at this. The. This band was huge. And they played a handful of shows ever.

[B]

Really? I didn't know because it was so sick. Wow.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Wow. Love it.

[A]

My next pick is band called Macedon. This. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm going there. The song is Crack the Sky from the album Crack the Sky featuring Scott Kelly from Neurosis. This, I think, is the definitive master Mastodon song, period.

[B]

Really?

[A]

And the back and forth between Scott and the homie, really just, like, really just does it for me.

[B]

Yeah. This was in consideration for my list.

[A]

It's such a banger, dude.

[B]

It's really cool. They have another guest feature, too, but this one's. This one's awesome.

[A]

This one's crazy because it is. It's another example of, like, we need. We need the guy to do his thing, you know?

[B]

Yeah. And just.

[A]

Let's go through his thing.

[B]

Here's the part. Here's what we were thinking. Have at it.

[A]

And, like, every band ever worships Neurosis, so it's cool that Macedon, like, at the height of their success, which God. Are they wildly successful now? Get the guy from Neurosis.

[B]

It's awesome. Probably knew each other, you know, of course, but just so cool.

[A]

Yeah, they were. I mean, they were down. They know. They, like, hate breed, you know.

[B]

All right, my next one, which might be higher up on yours, too, so we might have to pause, but it's. I cheated. It's two in one. It's Jamie. Justin.

[A]

Oh, yeah, it's higher.

[B]

Is it top five?

[A]

Yeah, just. Yeah, it is. Just.

[B]

Okay, so we'll wait.

[A]

My last pick before my top five.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Motorhead featuring Ozzy Osbourne. The song is called I Ain't no Nice Guy after all.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

From there.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

12Th studio out. 12th studio out.

[B]

Do you know what do you have when it came out?

[A]

92, I think.

[B]

12Th record by 1992.

[A]

Yes. Dude, they're the coolest man of all their S Tier, period.

[B]

I think we put them in S tier.

[A]

We did.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

Of course. This is after they wrote no More Tears together. Lyrically, have to imagine Lemmy was like, I want to do a fucking ballad. So they write this really rare type of song for Motorhead.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And fucking croon together. It's just this rare, well rounded, dynamic song that shows how talented Lemmy was.

[B]

Oh, yeah, dude.

[A]

That he chose to be extreme because he fucking wanted to be. He could do what any of these other motherfuckers were doing.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

And then he gets the belt with his boy one beautiful time in this incredible, incredible ballad that doesn't really sound like Motorhead.

[B]

Wow. I can't wait to listen. I'm unfamiliar.

[A]

It's a. You're going to love it.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. I'm timeless.

[A]

Banger.

[B]

Lemmy is one of those. I saw more to have with Lemmy a few times. I bet you we could have gotten to Lemmy through the show, and it's one of Those things that, like, makes me sad because he's the coolest guy, universally beloved.

[A]

He is a. He was a God to gods.

[B]

You know, when we inevitably get to talk to D. Schneider.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I can't wait to talk to him about Lemmy. Because what he did for Twisted Sister and for like all of that is legend, you know, just. Just really cool. And I'm excited to hear this track. Great pick.

[A]

You're gonna love it.

[B]

So we kind of switched inadvertently after the ads.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

My next one was. Was Jonah on the Converge song. So I'll go to my last one before my top five Perfect, which is. And I know you're gonna love this. Mark Porter tear stained youth off of our boys.

[A]

Dude, you're not wrong, Fires. This is the Firestarter song. A brand new song. We put this shit out featuring Porter from Floor Punch. It's unbelievable.

[B]

I'm not. And I love Floor Punch.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

One of my favorite hardcore bands of all time.

[A]

Right?

[B]

Porter sounds better on this than anything. He sounds so fucking pissed.

[A]

It's like a. Not only does he still have it, he has it more than he's ever had.

[B]

More than he's ever had. I. I love this song. I love this part. I love that he did it. I love that this song has call backs to other bands that I love that we're gonna talk about soon. And I can't wait to talk to Porter about it.

[A]

Very soon.

[B]

Very soon.

[A]

Incredible pick. Damn.

[B]

Thank you. Put this on, right? Pause this, this episode in your YouTube app, Horse, and put on. And put on this record. Put on this single and the rest of the record rips too. I'm. I. It's so this guest spot is perfect.

[A]

It's bone chilling, dude.

[B]

It's exactly what I want in. In a new band, newer band, reaching out to an old head to be like, hey, will you. Blah, blah, blah. And he does it, like, better than ever.

[A]

He nails it. And, you know, obviously the part is like paying tribute to him and Floor Punch in general.

[B]

Of course.

[A]

It's just like. It's a new Floor Punch part.

[B]

It's awesome. It's.

[A]

It's an unearthed relic. It's beautiful.

[B]

It's beautiful. Yeah.

[A]

All right, all right. Top five time.

[B]

Top five.

[A]

Here we go. My number five, all the way from Germany. Is this up there for you?

[B]

It's number three, yeah.

[A]

Oh, okay.

[B]

But it's all. It's all good. It's fine.

[A]

The band is world collapse.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

It is one of the most unique, fascinating hardcore songs ever written. The. The song is Called Second Life featuring Scott Vogel. It's perfect. It has everything. It's Depeche Mode meets Mad Ball. It makes no sense, but it makes perfect sense.

[B]

Oh my God.

[A]

And when the fucking pit hits you, you. It's so simple and. But so technical in a way where you can't comprehend where the root note is ever. It switches five times and it's so hard.

[B]

There's that. That little slide part. Vogels, Vogel's part. I remember when this came out. I remember listening to it probably in. Honestly, James Carr. Like on the A3 song burn CD, you know.

[A]

Right.

[B]

The. There's the little Tom. There's the little Tom build off before. Dude. Oh my God.

[A]

And his vocals were recorded into a MacBook microphone.

[B]

And they're on the bus, right?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And they're perfect.

[A]

They're.

[B]

Because there's a part. I don't know if. If maybe he did it twice. If maybe it was multiple takes or like a. A overlap. Because it's. It's like.

[A]

It's probably a punch in, but it's so awesome.

[B]

The. The mic is peaking but like in a perfect amount. Like not too much.

[A]

It's like brick walled. It's awesome.

[B]

It's awesome. It's. It. When. When we decided we were going to do this, this was the first song that came to mind.

[A]

Yeah, I can't. I can't say why we were texting about it, but we were.

[B]

But yeah, this is the first one that came to mind. Excellent pick. Great song.

[A]

Right back at you.

[B]

What's your number five? I had to. I got clearance from you for this because it's. It's punk adjacent.

[A]

Yeah. 100. 100 it is.

[B]

And it's got a crazy story that I don't know if you know, hit me. I'm knighting him. Sir Robert Smith on the song. All of this off of the Blink182 self titled. I don't like this record. I like one other song on the record. It's the. I'm Feeling this. That's the only other song I like on this record. This song is one of the greatest Blink songs, period. Do you know the song?

[A]

I know the song. I don't know the story or anything, dude.

[B]

So they like wrote it and. And had it and sent it off to. To Robert and like his team or whatever and didn't hear anything and got it within the hour. They got it back within the hour of the deadline. Like they didn't know. And they had probably one of them doing the take.

[A]

Right. So they're like, it didn't happen.

[B]

Let's just submit it didn't happen. Whatever. We got the backup take and it's a deep. It's like second to last on the record or something.

[A]

Right?

[B]

Boom. He delivered it and in a quote, he said, I love the music that you sent me. So like, thank you for allowing me to do me on this.

[A]

That's really special.

[B]

The way that he sings it is so fucking cool. There's a Crystal Castles, which, you know, kind of bad.

[A]

I like many bangers.

[B]

I know. But, but, but, oh, the guys like the guy.

[A]

But Alice is sick.

[B]

She rocks. There's a song called not in Love that he also sings on that is like a banger. But anyway, this one and the way that it's played and the way that they. When you have Robert Smith, you're not going to tell him how to do it. Right.

[A]

You want him to do it.

[B]

And it' good. And there's videos of him doing it live with them.

[A]

Love it. Which reminds me, have you heard the new Cure record?

[B]

Yeah, it's cool, dude.

[A]

It rips.

[B]

Yeah, I, I, I'm, I listened to it a couple times on the, on the Hay Bridge tour. I need to revisit.

[A]

I need like a thorough deep dive.

[B]

But like everything I've heard, I love, really like it. The Cure are just one of the great top, top, top something that's a.

[A]

Punk band to me. I don't give a shit.

[B]

Good. Good. I love it.

[A]

My number four, Trapped on the Rice featuring Tad Stout.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Believe this. I would say this is the guest vocal of, of the modern era. Yeah. It's like easily.

[B]

You know, it's funny. It's, it's like. This sounds really lame of me to say, but it's like whoever gets to do the part. Yeah, it's like a, like a very.

[A]

Like badge of honor.

[B]

It's a badge of honor. It's like a. Damn, that's a scary ass part. And, and the guy who did it is legendary, you know, so it's, it.

[A]

Was written from the. Tad wrote it from the perspective of a bullet, which is the craziest thing. The song's about how like it's about Baltimore and then Tad's like, I'm not going to talk about that at all. And then wrote about the perspective of a bullet killing someone. It's unbelievable. It's legendary.

[B]

Referring to said bullet as the God.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Touch and die.

[A]

The backs of gods, Tad.

[B]

Like I've.

[A]

I've maybe moshed to this song more.

[B]

Than any Other song, the music video when he's picking up the microphone.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Come on, dude.

[A]

A nice touch. They really did it.

[B]

They did it. They did it. It's my favorite.

[A]

The guest vocal. Part of the modern era.

[B]

And it's so like, it's scary. It's scary sounding. It's awesome. Great pick.

[A]

Beautiful.

[B]

My next one is the first time I became aware of a guest vocal. Hit me on Carry On's record at Lifeless Plague. On the self titled song Lifeless Plague, Wes Eisel of American Nightmare sings the bridge.

[A]

There you go.

[B]

And I was already. American Nightmare was a very entry.

[A]

They're huge.

[B]

A gateway band for me because they cover CRO mags and they had. They toured with X, Y and Z and they're part of the Boston scene and. And I remember looking up a video of Wes moshing at the last 10 yard fight show.

[A]

Right.

[B]

So it's like, it's all connected for me. So when I got into this new band from California and we get to this part, I was like, who is this guy? Who. Who is. I know that voice. And sure enough, it's Wes.

[A]

And you just couldn't believe it. You're like, how? Well, how do they know each other.

[B]

Exactly how did they get him? He went all the way to California. You know, like I. I couldn't comprehend. Blew my little dumbass brain. But I loved it. I. I listened to this song. I actually listened to this record last night. It's one of my favorite records of all time. I always bring it up. But this part specifically was the first time I was like, oh, that's cool. That's someone else. And that's not like Paul McCartney and Michael Jackson on.

[A]

Right.

[B]

The Girl is Mine. That is what it is to some. It might as well be to me.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But I love it and I love that it's. It's. Again, it's the guy with a unique voice doing his thing, doing his thing. And he's got a whole part to do it.

[A]

Creating, helping create this landmark album. And now we know from the Vogel episode that this record being as good as it is, basically led to the existence of Terror.

[B]

Hello.

[A]

Which leads me right to my next pick.

[B]

Oh, let's go. Let's talk about it, dude.

[A]

Terror Spit My Rage featuring Jamie Josta and Lord Isaac AKA Ice Pick. Oh, it's. You know, it's. It's. I've sang this many times with them. It's an honor every time.

[B]

I've sang it once. I think it's.

[A]

It is like the terror pit the triplets.

[B]

Unbelievable.

[A]

Get the fuck out of here, dude.

[B]

It's unbelievable.

[A]

This is. This is. This is one of the greatest hardcore songs of all time.

[B]

Of all time. When it came out, I remember thinking that it was all just Carl because.

[A]

Carl, who has Crazy Carl's backups on like, nothing to Prove.

[B]

Unbelievable.

[A]

Holy.

[B]

But I thought it was just him because Isaac and him kind of.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Sound similar, you know, at least at the time. And it wasn't so much later that I realized who it really was.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And I think both. I mean, Jamie sounds like Jamie, who has one of the best voices of all time. It's literally like Vogel, Jamie Furness, you know, Jamie.

[A]

Jamie defined, like, enunciation in perfectly audible words in an aggressive voice. You know, like he. He mastered that before anybody.

[B]

And then the. The Ying to that yang being Isaac doing the AB of a verse about, like, cutting you back down to size. It's. It's so cool. And it's. It's perfect. It's a perfect guest spot. Like, how about we do this?

[A]

Yeah. I mean, on some days for me, it's number one.

[B]

Yeah. You know, if I'm watching terror, it's number one.

[A]

If I'm watching Terror, it's the best song ever, period. On best songs of all time list. Spit. My age is number one. Yeah. It depends on my mood today. It's number three. Iconic, timeless. Genre defining, taste defining. Three things I love. Crown of thorns, hate, breed, terror together all in one. Beautiful.

[B]

It's so good. Yeah. Another honorable mention to Vogel on Nothing Left by Throwdown. On the Haymaker version of that song, Vogel sings a whole verse and part of the breakdown and it's awesome. But that's just honorable mention.

[A]

He's got. He's got many greats. His color orange part. Absolutely insane.

[B]

Is he. Is he the voice of our generation?

[A]

I mean, he's a voice of two generations.

[B]

Straight up. The songbird of a generation.

[A]

Have you seen his Halloween costume from this year?

[B]

No.

[A]

The Krishna guy.

[B]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

It's one of my favorite things to ever happen.

[B]

It's awesome.

[A]

Here it is, Steven.

[B]

All right, so my number two because we just kind of combined a couple. This is a personal favorite vocalist. James, the human furnace from Ringworm does a guest vocal spot on the song Hollow by Integrity off of Humanity is the Devil. I still don't know what he's saying.

[A]

Track two. No idea. He's. He's. He's truly delivering a Cocktoo Twins esque performance on this thing.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Don't know a Clue. I don't have a clue, he's saying. But I agree with every single word.

[B]

Yeah, I. I have it all tattooed on me and jibberish. The thing is there, I. I'm talking about. And I'm. I'm splitting hairs here. I'm talking about the original version. There's a remastered version on Spotify right now with some cool effects and stuff. I like the old version because you could tell it's either DWID or Furnace. Just talking underneath the screaming part.

[A]

Right.

[B]

And both of those bands, Ringworm and Integrity, had these cool vocal ideas. You got Florida Frank writing this part. He told me where that. Where Psychological Warfare came from, which is the next song. This little rock block is incredible. But specifically Furnaces guest part on Hollow is like. It's awesome. It's the two guys of, like, this area of hardcore.

[A]

It's. It's one of those things where you wonder. You hear two bands from the same place, you wonder if they know each other.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And you don't even have to wonder because you have this right off the bat.

[B]

It's. It's awesome. It's one of my favorite things of all time. Except for the next one, which is my favorite thing about time.

[A]

Exactly. Two bands that. That. That, you know, could use the rub. I hope that the modern generation picks up Ringworm integrity, lifts them to the top of the stratosphere. Because I. I get into a Ringworm kick once a year that is like weeks long.

[B]

Dude. Touring with hey Breed and talking to Frank about Ringworm stuff was so like, wait, Ringworm is the best band. Wait a minute.

[A]

I need to listen to this now. My number two, you know, kind of evolving from my previous pick. The band is Ice Pick.

[B]

Yeah. I. This is one that I would have bet money was going to be on.

[A]

The song is Real recognizes Real. And it features Roger Moran, Freddie Madball, Paul Bearer, Pete Morsi, a few. I'm forgetting. And of course, Iced Tea, the greatest extreme music vocalist in history.

[B]

Who.

[A]

His song with Slayer on the Judgment Night SoundTrack, which is three exploited songs mashed together.

[B]

Whoa. I didn't know that.

[A]

Which is awesome.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That's almost. Is like the number one honorable mention on my whole list. That's the coolest guy of all time. This. I. I'll never forget the day that Real Recognize Real came out. It was on MySpace. It was the only song available. And then I found the CD on a field trip, like a week later.

[B]

Right.

[A]

I could not believe it. And. And Ice Tea is such a big. And even as a Kid. They're singing about how, like, they've been a part of Harcourt for so long and they don't follow trends. And like, you know, they're. They're all. They're the ones who bled for the scene. They built it. And even at 14, I was like 100%.

[B]

Yeah, me too.

[A]

I can really relate to this. And Ice Tea, of all people, being the bookend for this.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Ice pick. Punk bitch. Blood in the mosh pit. Chills, dude. Every time. He's a genius. One of the coolest guys ever. One of the greatest entertainers of our time. The maybe the greatest tweeter in history. Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. Shut the fuck up.

[A]

Here's a few great Ice Tea tweets.

[B]

Just giving Stephen Little quests. Little.

[A]

I'll. I'll be able to provide. I've got plenty of screenshot and saved as is.

[B]

I think my favorite aspect of this is Paul Bear.

[A]

Yeah. Because he sounds insane compared to the rest of them.

[B]

It's awesome. I. I really like it. I think.

[A]

And then Pete, of course, just crushing. And you have Roger and Freddy, like doing call and response.

[B]

Yeah. How cool is that?

[A]

I've waited my whole life for that.

[B]

Yeah. Right.

[A]

It's incredible.

[B]

I've been going through a big AF kick recently in the last couple weeks, and they are. I've realized something, Colin, that the. The. The importance that we hold the Misfits in.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I think AF kind of is in a. In a more like refined sense, in.

[A]

Like I would say, what Misfits did for punk, AF did for hardcore.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

Period. I've just realized the Godfathers, that ain't no joke. It ain't just a clever word. It's real.

[B]

It's not just a great doc.

[A]

No, exactly. By. Directed by Ian McFarlane in front of the show.

[B]

All right. My number one. Here we go. This is huge because the tie. If you know me, you know how. How much this ties in for me. Oh, could you guess?

[A]

Is it hetfield on Danzig1?

[B]

James Hetfield does backup vocals on Twist of Kane and Possession. Uncredited due to record label. Dude on Danzig 1.

[A]

Town.

[B]

The self titled. The first record. If you listen to this. I didn't know this until within the last couple years. This is new, dude.

[A]

If you.

[B]

If you listen, you hear Hatfield. Yeah. The Twist of Cana.

[A]

Like you can hear it changes everything once it clips that he's in there, dude.

[B]

Okay. All right. I need it. We do this all the time. But I got my soapbox out. The Misfits are the most important band ever The Misfits directly influenced Metallica. And then when Danzig has his own thing. Yeah, hello, Danzig.

[A]

It always comes back.

[B]

He has his own thing. You have James Hetfield. It was recorded in, like, 89 or something. 88. It's that. So Metallica's at the top of the world, right? They're. They're working on their biggest record ever.

[A]

Right.

[B]

He's going. And he's doing uncredited guest vocals for his.

[A]

For his musical.

[B]

For, like, his. Yeah, his. His musical. His mentor, you know, And.

[A]

And you. You can't ever. You gotta give it to him at the end of the day. Every time.

[B]

That's it.

[A]

That is Glenn, the literal king of punk.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

The Elvis of punk.

[B]

And Sheffield.

[A]

The Elvis.

[B]

Exactly, dude. And if you know me, that's. That being my number one pick surely makes the most sense.

[A]

I guessed it out of Thin Air.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Fantastic pick. And that leaves us with, obviously, only one natural thing left to do is talk about Six Feet under featuring Ice Tea in the song One Bullet Left, the greatest guest vocal feature in the history of music. You know, he's laughing.

[B]

I hate laughing. I'm just laughing because of how different our. Our entire lists are, but particularly our number ones.

[A]

I agree. And here's what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna. I'm gonna read the lyrics to this song live on the show. Aside from one word, just so that you can all hear this.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

For some reason, you think this is some kind of game. You ain't gonna realize until I got some steel pointed at your ass face and blow your dome off your goddamn shoulders, you critic ass. Catch you coming out your house. And then Chris Barnes goes. And then it's back to ice. I put the gap to your face and head and blast. Blow your face off. Rocky with the sawed off, blow guts all over your. Leave you stanking in a six foot ditch. Run up in your house with a tech out. Duct tape your spouse with a gun in her mouth. Smack your kids up. You think I give a. I call the pigs on myself. Barricade the block with the atf. I don't give a fuck, bitch. I pray for death. Grab your little girl by the neck, buster in the chest, throw her on the lawn. Call cnn, it's on. Get this on tv. This last one's for me. Aim with the pipe down dead in my head and squeeze. Leave the whole wall red.

[B]

James Joyce. I mean, that's.

[A]

Imagine being six feet under and getting that back. Imagine that email, dude.

[B]

Yeah, because. Because Chris Barnes, I would have been.

[A]

Doing Backflips in the studio.

[B]

Yeah, Just.

[A]

It would have been like, hey, iced you. Do you think you could sing over this part? And you give him. You give him part where musically it goes, dad, that's it. So they gave him this blank canvas, and he turned into Picasso.

[B]

He turned into this Week's killer on SVU.

[A]

100%, dude.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

And you know, people criticize Ice T for svu, and when all it does, he said, it makes him trust the judicial system less. Wow is portraying this. The enemy on TV has only made him trust it less. He's the coolest fucking guy ever. And this is the greatest guest vocal part of all time. I'll die on that hill and hell, I'll live on that hill. I'm moving in. Okay. Welcome to my hill. One bullet left. The greatest guest vocal of all time. And that's our list.

[B]

What a list, dude. This playlist, you guys, you have no idea.

[A]

Unbelievable.

[B]

We got. Hell of a playlist.

[A]

You know, don't listen to you. You can listen to it now that you finished the episode, but, you know, enjoy. Really. You. You've got. This is what. How many bangers you've got now? I can't wait to put this thing on.

[B]

I know, I know. Legitimately, I know.

[A]

Well, thank you all so much for joining us. This year is winding down. We've got a couple special things left in store. We've got Porter from Floor Punch coming up. We've got a live episode with Craig Reynolds from the Downbeat coming up. We've got the Hard Lore Awards coming up. So let's thank you all for an incredible year. It ain't over yet. Enjoy this. These. These. These incredible songs. We hope you enjoyed this episode, and we will see you next week.