Bo Tries to Eat 200 Nuggets (A HardLore Special)

Summary

HardLore Podcast Summary: “Bo Tries to Eat 200 Nuggets (A HardLore Special)”

Episode Information:

• Title: HardLore
• Hosts: Colin Young (Twitching Tongues & God's Hate) & Bo Lueders (Harms Way)
• Episode Title: Bo Tries to Eat 200 Nuggets (A HardLore Special)
• Release Date: April 24, 2025
• Description: Hardcore + Lore = HardLore. Stories from touring life in the hardcore/punk/metal scenes are discussed within biographical conversations with notable weekly guests.

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1. The Nugget Challenge: Bo's Ambitious Feat

The episode centers around an entertaining and stomach-churning challenge where Bo Lueders attempts to consume 200 chicken nuggets live on air. This segment is filled with humorous banter and shows the camaraderie between the hosts.

• Initial Setup:

  • Colin: Introduces the Nugget Challenge, mentioning his own previous attempt of 88 nuggets and Bo’s suggestion to take it up a notch.

    “Which made us think, really, what would happen if this year, Bo attempted the 200 nugget challenge?” [01:03]

  • Bo: Expresses enthusiasm for making the challenge fun for the audience.

    “I’d love to clarify that... it's gonna be more fun for them, which is ultimately our goal.” [01:44]

• Challenge Progression:

  • As Bo progresses through the nuggets, Colin keeps track of his count, offering encouragement and playful taunts.

    “You're starting to get full.” [19:17]
    “I think you're killing it, dude.” [28:54]

• Humorous Struggles:

  • Bo humorously contemplates quitting after reaching his limit, while Colin insists on pushing forward.

    “This feels better standing.” [56:25]
    “I want you to puke in the toilet.” [55:40]

2. Insights into the Music Industry and Touring Life

The hosts delve into the stresses and frustrations prevalent in the music industry, especially focusing on touring dynamics and the overshadowing influence of social media.

• Industry Challenges:

  • Bo: Highlights the lack of valuing his time and the issues faced during tours, such as prolonged hours in vans.

    “Not valuing my time, which is kind of the most frustrating thing about life in general.” [16:30]

  • Colin: Discusses how the music itself is often secondary to promotional activities, lamenting the current state where social media dominates artist interactions.

    “I think the music being secondary, I think is frustrating.” [17:19]

• Social Media’s Impact:

  • The conversation touches on how the focus has shifted from creating music to constantly promoting it online, with examples like Katy Perry’s space-themed social media posts.

    “It's all social media.” [17:02]

3. Favorite Bands, Covers, and Hardcore Evolution

The episode features extensive discussions on favorite bands, notable covers by hardcore bands, and the evolution of the hardcore genre.

• Favorite Bands and Covers:

  • Bo and Colin share their favorite covers performed by hardcore bands, highlighting bands like H2O, Madball, and Slayer.

    Bo: “One of the earliest songs I ever downloaded... H2O covering Like a Prayer.” [10:56]
    Colin: “Blackened by Metallica has a legit breakdown.” [40:52]

• Evolution and Revival:

  • They discuss the return of United Blood in Richmond, emphasizing its significance for American hardcore and its authentic, DIY experience.

    Colin: “What is something else you can definitely eat 200 of grains of rice. Cheap ass potato chips.” [06:35]
    Bo: “Feels very DIY.” [06:40]

4. Fitness, Nutrition, and Personal Health Regimens

Fitness and nutrition are hot topics as both hosts share their workout routines, supplement stacks, and dietary habits.

• Workout Routines:

  • Colin prefers hiking and incline treadmill workouts, while Bo focuses on shoulder presses, lat raises, and machine-based exercises for comfort and effectiveness.

    Bo: “I'll tell you right now. Lat raises.” [50:53]
    Colin: “I'm an unbelievable long jumper.” [43:29]

• Diet and Supplements:

  • Discussions include AG1 supplements, creatine intake, and the importance of Omega-3s for Colin’s health.

    Colin: “All my essential probiotics and prebiotics are in there.” [91:17]
    Bo: “Vitamin K drops... magnesium before bed.” [94:25]

5. Personal Anecdotes: Scary Moments and Favorite Movies

The hosts share personal stories and favorite films, adding a personal touch to the episode.

• Scary Moments Outdoors:

  • Bo recounts witnessing unexplained lights in the Canadian wilderness, initially feeling creeped out but ultimately mesmerized by the northern lights.

    Bo: “It was like one of the most beautiful I've ever seen.” [48:46]

• Favorite Movies:

  • Colin lists favorites like “The Godfather” and “Big Lebowski,” while Bo mentions “Little Shop of Horrors” and “The Godfather Part I.”

    Bo: “The Godfather, probably part one.” [45:30]
    Colin: “Little Shop of Horrors. That's easy.” [45:12]

6. Gaming, Equipment, and Other Interests

Interests beyond music, such as gaming and equipment preferences, are discussed, showcasing the hosts' diverse passions.

• Gaming Interests:

  • Discussion about favorite video game weapons and preferences in gaming gear.

    Bo: “The laptop gun from Perfect Dark.” [64:36]
    Colin: “The Golden Gun from GoldenEye.” [64:51]

• Equipment Preferences:

  • Colin shares his preference for New Balance 990v3 for drumming, while Bo mentions various shoe choices for touring.

    Colin: “Playing drums in New Balance 990v3 has changed my life.” [81:40]
    Bo: “I'm digging the Solomons lately...” [81:17]

7. Future Plans and Upcoming Tours

The hosts discuss their future projects, including upcoming tours and potential events.

• Upcoming Tours:

  • Bo expresses excitement for the Closed Casket tour, highlighting a well-structured route with notable bands like Sonic Temple and Converge.

    Bo: “It’s a great tour. Good routing.” [26:38]

• Potential Events:

  • Ideas for future episodes and events, such as a HardLore Fest, are floated with consideration of the immense effort required.

    Colin: “Hard Lore Fest should be a thing.” [26:08]

8. Reflecting on the Past and Industry Changes

The episode concludes with reflections on past experiences and the evolving landscape of the hardcore scene.

• Youth Crew Revival:

  • Both hosts express hope for a revival in youth involvement within the hardcore scene, citing historical impacts and the enduring nature of hardcore’s core values.

    Bo: “I think we're really into... it's a lot scary.” [26:18]
    Colin: “Youth are reviving.” [103:27]

• Industry Evolution:

  • They reflect on how hardcore has remained relevant and foresee its continued influence as new generations embrace the genre.

    Colin: “Hardcore is still gonna forever be in fashion.” [103:26]
    Bo: “Absolutely.” [103:27]

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Notable Quotes:

• Colin Young:

  “The music being secondary, I think is frustrating.” [17:19]

• Bo Lueders:

  “Not valuing my time, which is kind of the most frustrating thing about life in general.” [16:30]

• Colin Young:

  “They’re always making improvements. So even if you got the 4.0, check out the 5.0.” [52:47]

• Bo Lueders:

  “I'm starving.” [04:47]

• Colin Young:

  “Imagine that was the end.” [15:02]

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Conclusion:

This special episode of HardLore offers a blend of intense challenge, insightful discussions on the hardcore music industry, personal anecdotes, and the hosts' diverse interests. Colin and Bo engage listeners with their dynamic interactions, humorous exchanges, and genuine passion for music and life on tour. Whether you're a hardcore enthusiast or new to the scene, this episode delivers a comprehensive and entertaining dive into the world of HardLore.

Transcript

[Colin]

You really. You're really giving up right now?

[Bo]

Yeah. I will puke on camera if you want that in your living room.

[Colin]

You sound like it's a bad thing. I'm telling you, you didn't do this. Me puking on into. I didn't. I didn't choose to puke. I stood up and vomited, and it was the best feeling I've ever felt.

[Bo]

You didn't stand up and vomited. We did it in my room. You went to your room?

[Colin]

I stood up and was like, oh, I'm gonna throw up. I better go to my room. I got on my hands and knees and scrubbed that toilet.

[Bo]

Do you remember the text message you sent me this morning?

[Colin]

That was from something else, and I quote, crazy stuff. Hello, welcome. It's hard Lore time. How are you, Bo?

[Bo]

Not hungry.

[Colin]

Perfect. As you can see from the title, this year's Nugget Challenge is a little different. You know, a lot has changed on the show. I've lost some weight. Bo has gained a lot of muscle. You know, I plateaued at 88 Nuggets last year.

[Bo]

Khaled just got back from puking up. Or puking up.

[Colin]

I feel so good, dude. I've been going. We wrapped five minutes ago.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin]

I walked on my room, puked instantaneously. I feel like a new man. I could run half marathon, half go. Which made me think. Which made us think, really, what would happen if this year, bo attempted the 200 nugget challenge?

[Bo]

I'd love to clarify that. Like, two or three weeks ago, he texted me and said, I think I want to try it again. Maybe we do it together. And then yesterday, it was suggested that I do it.

[Colin]

Isn't that more fun?

[Bo]

I mean, it's gonna be more fun for them, which is ultimately our goal.

[Colin]

I agree.

[Bo]

I also wanna point out that this is 170. Yeah.

[Colin]

There's 30 more. So once you inevitably finish this 170, we'll bring out those 30 more. And, you know, you get to learn from my mistakes, you know?

[Bo]

What mistakes would you say you made? Give me some points.

[Colin]

Eating too slow.

[Bo]

Okay. You did one a minute.

[Colin]

I did one a minute. For a while.

[Bo]

For a while.

[Colin]

Which is crazy. It's not good. Not a good pace. So I would just go speed through the first 20 or so. They were delivered in a historic New York monsoon flood. These were delivered very close by. So we're good. I'm gonna keep count. He's got a Sprite instead of a Diet Coke. That's another advantage. You've got over me. I think you got this.

[Bo]

We'll see. You know what my goal is?

[Colin]

89.

[Bo]

89, baby.

[Colin]

Great year for hardcore youth.

[Bo]

Today is out there.

[Colin]

They're in Europe.

[Bo]

They're kicking it.

[Colin]

Exactly. So whenever you're ready.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin]

I've got some questions from the Patreon and the Discord that I'm going to ask you and I while we do this.

[Bo]

Before we start, please join the Patreon, the Hard Lore Patreon and the Hard Lore Discord so that you can engage in this.

[Colin]

That's right. Before Bo eats all those nuggets, we got to talk to you about something. This is so important. Sight for Sounds.

[Bo]

Hold on a second, Colin. I just. I can't. I quit.

[Colin]

Oh, yeah.

[Bo]

We're beyond excited to be working with and sponsored by Cipher Sound, the program brought to you by Nevin Eyewear.

[Colin]

That's right. Bo is wearing his brand new free prescription glasses from the Site for Sound program. And you can, too. If you're a musician, you tour it all. I'm talking TM merch. If you manage a band, if you're an agent for a band, if you do anything for any kind of touring band, Nevin and Cipher Sounds wants to get you you seeing better.

[Bo]

That's absolutely right. It includes ey like regular eyeglasses, prescription sunglasses. All you need is a current prescription. You take that, you go to siteforsound.com, enter the information that it asks of you, and they will be in contact with you via email.

[Colin]

They'll email you directly to just let you know that you and your tiny touring band can get free prescription glasses. This is like the coolest possible thing we can be involved with. With. We think it's an honor. We really hope you all do it. We saw some names that applied last week and you're an elite company, I'll just say that much. It's a beautiful thing. Get your glasses. I'm getting my eye exam next week. Because who knows what's going on here? Not me. We're gonna figure it out and I'll be fitted up in a couple weeks. Here. Thank you. Cipher Sound. Bo get to eat. Okay.

[Bo]

I'm starving.

[Colin]

You ready?

[Bo]

Yeah, I'm ready, man.

[Colin]

All right, let's hit it.

[Bo]

I'm hungry now.

[Colin]

Okay, first question, somebody said, is Colin okay? Colin's great. Bo may have a different answer. Goat spot in the Valley to eat. I would say salsa and beer and law merch. Bo, as a visitor of the Valley, what would you say?

[Bo]

Wal merch for sure. Which after I Inevitably throw this up.

[Colin]

We're going to get. For actual dinner.

[Bo]

We're going to get it for dinner.

[Colin]

That's exciting.

[Bo]

And then. Well, it's not in the Valley. Where else do I like here? Where else have you taken me?

[Colin]

What else do you like here in the Valley proper? You like Hanks bagels a lot?

[Bo]

I like Hank's bagels. I like this local place, In N Out Burger. Oh, obviously you guys gotta check that out.

[Colin]

Somebody asked, do you think the hubris will pull you through?

[Bo]

Absolutely not.

[Colin]

Excellent.

[Bo]

It will surely be my. Be my downfall.

[Colin]

I don't know, man. Somebody said. Thoughts on the return, the return of United Blood and what you've seen from it so far. It's such an incredible thing for hardcore in the 2000s and the 2010s. It was such a pivotal part of American hardcore. The landscape, Richmond and an all time great American hardcore scene. So it's great to have it back and thriving and young again. We love to see it. It's in the same venue too. So it's really. You're getting the same experience that we had all those years.

[Bo]

Same guys, same venue.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Bo]

Same vibe. Same vibe and the same format. Two days go home on Sunday.

[Colin]

No, there's no green room there. So it's like a pure hardcore experience.

[Bo]

Feels very diy.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Bo]

I love United Blood. Very happy that it's back.

[Colin]

I agree. What is something else you can definitely eat 200 of grains of rice. Cheap ass potato chips.

[Bo]

Individual potato chips. Yeah. Cheez. It's. Oh my God. You're in the thousands, easy. How many are in a box?

[Colin]

He's really good at doing this in a box. I would guess like 400 maybe. I'm not looking it up. You tell me. Was that one?

[Bo]

Yep.

[Colin]

What is your favorite locking out band? You're at 8.

[Bo]

I didn't. I don't want to know.

[Colin]

Oh, he's at.

[Bo]

I will ask him.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Bo]

What I want to know.

[Colin]

I just. I'm impressed by that.

[Bo]

I'm just going.

[Colin]

I'm impressed by that.

[Bo]

Locking out.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Bo]

Righteous Jams. Mental, I think people. I don't know if people realize that like Mental in their heyday was the.

[Colin]

Biggest band also maybe like one of the first like merch bands. Was that a new Nugget? You let me know in the comments.

[Bo]

I dipped it.

[Colin]

It's hard to monitor. That's a new nugget.

[Bo]

This is now another new nugget.

[Colin]

I won't tell you what.

[Bo]

You're definitely a merch band.

[Colin]

Yeah. I don't say That I will never mean that in a derogatory lord. It means you're awesome. You know?

[Bo]

Yeah. Also, all due respect to the Wrong side.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Bo]

Wrong side. Dump truck demo. That was awesome.

[Colin]

Mental and Righteous Jams are kind of the. The. The. The easy answers there. Like it or not, too. Oh, I wasn't always in that. So.

[Bo]

But. But definitely a lock. Not bad.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Bo]

Great call.

[Colin]

Would your bands play Coachella if asked? Yeah. Absolutely.

[Bo]

You'll find out more about our feelings on that next week.

[Colin]

Next week you'll see. It's beautiful. Mount Rushmore. Whoa. Parts.

[Bo]

Hate Breeders.

[Colin]

Hey, Breeders. Whoa, Whoa. Let's do yours first, then we'll do mine.

[Bo]

Hate Breeders. It's the second song on the Art of Drowning that rips off Queen Wasp by the Misfit Go. And then that song, I Just Got Chills. That song is incredible.

[Colin]

Okay.

[Bo]

I mean, they're like all misfits to me. So I'm trying to think of something that isn't misfits or AFI. Hit me with something. I'll stop at 2.

[Colin]

My. My top four would be I Turn into a Martian. Whoa, Whoa, Whoa. Different every time.

[Bo]

And if you play those on a piano, it's just a chord, and they're just hitting the chord. It's so funny.

[Colin]

Some Kind of Hate. And I say, whoa. Oh, man, that's a great one. Fall Children. That's a good one. Pretty objective take. Brohim. Whoa. Whoa. That's for, I would say, Honorable Mention Coheed and Keeping Secrets. Oh, it's a good one.

[Bo]

Oh, her black wings.

[Colin]

Oh, my God.

[Bo]

That's probably King.

[Colin]

Whoa. Under her black wings. Yeah, that's crazy.

[Bo]

And then what's another fun one? There's a Metallica one, obviously. Like, I can hear Hatfield going, whoa. But I can't. Can't quite picture it. I'll just say, struggle within and hope I'm right.

[Colin]

There you go. Favorite covers of non hardcore songs by hardcore bands.

[Bo]

One of the. I've never talked about this. One of the earliest songs I ever downloaded on Napster was H2O covering like a Prayer.

[Colin]

Oh, yeah. That thing's crazy.

[Bo]

Remember that?

[Colin]

Yeah. I thought you were about to say Throw It On. Baby Got Back.

[Bo]

No, I never liked that. Yeah, but I love Throw It On.

[Colin]

But I will say the original song, saying you want a triple X? Throwdown is crazy.

[Bo]

Maybe they got back. Yeah, it's genius. Also, Slap Shot covers Big Mouth Strikes Again.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Bo]

And I kind of like it.

[Colin]

No, it's dope.

[Bo]

I kind of with it. I like that he Just does it monotone the whole time.

[Colin]

Sure.

[Bo]

It's kind of cool.

[Colin]

I have two answers. I have three answers.

[Bo]

By all means.

[Colin]

Two of them are sure. Terrorists from Broken Borrowed. Yeah, that's the. Everything's Fine and then Boys Don't Cry.

[Bo]

That cover is unbelievable.

[Colin]

Insane.

[Bo]

The last time we played here there was like 50 million fights going.

[Colin]

Robert Smith, Suck My Dick. Blood for Blood covers. Runaway. The like oldies song Run Away. Run, run, run, Run. Oh, I'm singing Bon Jovi and it's incredible. Then you know you're killing it, dude. Best salad all time. Chicken Seas or Chinese chick?

[Bo]

Yeah, with the. The seas dressing.

[Colin]

That's so sad.

[Bo]

I know, I know it is. I know.

[Colin]

Caprese. Love a Caprese.

[Bo]

Oh my God, are you kidding me? That's all I ever really need. It's five things.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Bo]

Six with salt. But I think like I can go to Sweet Grain and make something where I like.

[Colin]

No, I need a predetermined.

[Bo]

Just like a pre made one then. Yeah. It's crazy Cop. What's on a cop?

[Colin]

I don't know. Bacon.

[Bo]

Yeah, I don't eat bacon on a Saturday.

[Colin]

I don't really care for bacon, but I'll with the cob.

[Bo]

There is a handlebar in Chicago, which is the best vegan restaurant in Chicago, has stuff that aren't fully vegan, but they are predominantly vegan. It is a place that like meat eaters like myself will gladly go to because it's so good. They have an everything green salad and you could add seared tuna to it.

[Colin]

Oh, see, that sounds great.

[Bo]

There we go. Knead it.

[Colin]

Saved Big Sprite progress. Top five intro tracks. Tracks that are solely titled Intro Intro changes Intro Changes easily Intro Bust Intro Bust King nine Intro. Bad Brains intro.

[Bo]

What's the Bad Brains intro?

[Colin]

The I against I intro. Sepulture intro on Arise.

[Bo]

Good call.

[Colin]

Thanks.

[Bo]

It's funny that, like, I wonder when the idea of an intro became part of the zeitgeist.

[Colin]

Like is there an Elvis intro or a Beatles intro?

[Bo]

It's funny that the Misfits didn't have one. Yeah, you would think they would have.

[Colin]

Something to like because they didn't have albums, you know.

[Bo]

So true. They just had.

[Colin]

They just abandoned every. Every finished product they had. Crazy.

[Bo]

Did you get that one? Thank you.

[Colin]

Can you claim shred Edge if you're an alcoholic that's gone sober 100%?

[Bo]

Of course.

[Colin]

Look at. Look at James Hetfield for two months. You know.

[Bo]

Of course you can.

[Colin]

You can claim straight edge. It's a personal Thing. It's for you.

[Bo]

It's not a walled garden.

[Colin]

No.

[Bo]

Trying to keep people out. That's fucking.

[Colin]

It's a beautiful gard.

[Bo]

Stupid. It's beautiful. It's vital.

[Colin]

It's a beautiful welcoming garden. Does this fit your macros? I think if we. We did the math and it's 433 grams of protein. The whole thing, all 200 would be 9.9300 calories.

[Bo]

I mean, I'm sure a 200 pound guy, almost 200 pounds, eating 400 grams of protein is awful for you.

[Colin]

Yeah. It's not good.

[Bo]

Okay.

[Colin]

I think it's like 600 grams of fat.

[Bo]

Check my heart rate.

[Colin]

Obviously you two love each other. Imagine that was the end. Have you ever came close to fighting or had a serious argument? We never come close to fighting.

[Bo]

We've come very close to farting.

[Colin]

But we. We've had serious arguments.

[Bo]

We've had a.

[Colin]

For sure. Yeah. Any. Any. Any partners in any creative or business endeavor are gonna argue, but then one guy eats the nuggets one year later and everything's fine.

[Bo]

The thing is, we're in a structure where we are the boss.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Bo]

And that's really. That's new for both of us. Yeah. So it happens.

[Colin]

Agreed. Mount Rushmore nuggets.

[Bo]

I'm just. Spit one out and take one off.

[Colin]

Now. That's that one.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin]

Wendy's spicy. Chick fil A. McDonald's spicy. Bring it back, you scumbags. And you like the stars.

[Bo]

The cars from your stars.

[Colin]

Take them or leave them.

[Bo]

They remind me of like the Dino nuggets.

[Colin]

Yeah. They're kind of Dino vibes and Chick fil a. We said that.

[Bo]

We just said.

[Colin]

I do like the, The Shake Shack chicken. Chicken bits.

[Bo]

Never had.

[Colin]

They're good. Very, very real chicken taste.

[Bo]

The grilled nuggets from Chick fil a are unreal.

[Colin]

I agree. They're just a little farty. As two people who work in the music industry, what would you say the most stressful or frustrating part of it is? How do you manage is other people.

[Bo]

Not valuing my time, which is kind of the most frustrating thing about life in general. Sure. But like from an industry, like, when you're beyond a real DIY thing. For me, it's like, like some of the, the. The tour riding we've dealt with where it's like, oh, they're in the van for 10 hours a day. Who gives a? It's like, well, that sucks. We give a. And you're making money off us, so.

[Colin]

Totally.

[Bo]

Stuff like that.

[Colin]

I would say, now the actual music is so secondary. It's all about, like, the roll out. And even, like, you see the biggest artist in the world's like, social media. It's all social media.

[Bo]

It's all.

[Colin]

It's all.

[Bo]

It's all like Katy Perry just went to space for social media for no.

[Colin]

Reason other than to. For like a. A billion dollar publicity stuff.

[Bo]

Flower. Yeah.

[Colin]

Was this, this, this is this nugget, I think.

[Bo]

No, no, I ate one while you were talking. Now, now, you do know that.

[Colin]

Okay, you could be fucked up. I shouldn't have been in charge of this.

[Bo]

I'm keeping track of you.

[Colin]

Okay. Yeah. I just think the music being secondary, I think is frustrating. If it was just like, okay, I've got to write this record and then it's done and I can enjoy the spoils of it. Everything would be so easy. But it's all. Guys, we got it now. Now a guy's got to eat 200 nuggets just to promote his band, you.

[Bo]

Know, My band does not sanction this in any way.

[Colin]

Your band would join you.

[Bo]

True. Surely there were people back in the day, in the 80s, who were there who thought that the music was secondary and that it was a place to be and it was a thing to do.

[Colin]

Sure.

[Bo]

The difference is social media, the accessibility of this thing.

[Colin]

Do you think that. Do you think it started with Michael Jackson revolutionizing the music video? Kind of like changing what a music. The idea of a music video and.

[Bo]

Like, like the first domino.

[Colin]

Yeah. Like mtv, like, kind of fully revolving around music video, music videos on television being like, okay, I guess now we're making videos all the time.

[Bo]

Yeah, that's the first. Yeah. Because like, when you're only listening to the radio, you can't see who it.

[Colin]

Is when you're going to have the mega hit. I don't know. I don't know what half my favorite artists look like.

[Bo]

One of my favorite quotes from Rollins is him talking about Pink Floyd and he thought they were just like druids in a tower. Like, they had no concept of what they looked like.

[Colin]

Awesome.

[Bo]

And when he eventually saw it, he was disappointed. Not that by their looks, I think.

[Colin]

But just they're not druids in a tower.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin]

How awful do you feel so far?

[Bo]

I'm starting to get full.

[Colin]

Really?

[Bo]

What am I at?

[Colin]

You want to know?

[Bo]

I do want to know.

[Colin]

30.

[Bo]

Jesus Christ. I told you.

[Colin]

You're starting to get full.

[Bo]

I'm starting to feel like, oh, expand.

[Colin]

The tank, do some farting, get in there. And suck some air into your ass and blow it out. We'll take a break if we have to. Two minutes. Somebody said, what makes this time different? Bo's doing it this time. That's great.

[Bo]

That's it. Also, I never claimed to be able to do this. I claimed 60s and I'm halfway there.

[Colin]

You're doing great. What's your favorite cover you've ever played.

[Bo]

In any band Harm's Way covered. We just might buy Youth of Today in Drop B.

[Colin]

That's cool. That's very cool. We've done a lot. A lot.

[Bo]

I never got to see you do Gravity for the only Living Witness cover, which was pretty early on.

[Colin]

It was very early. Yeah. Gravity. I don't think. I think we played live once.

[Bo]

Really?

[Colin]

Yeah. And it was in Europe. And Martin from High vis sang a big part of it.

[Bo]

Really?

[Colin]

Which was cool. Yeah. In terms of played live. Oh, Kickback forever. War in Paris. That got us. We. That was so cool that they offered us Hellfest like, that day. So that was cool, no?

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin]

You.

[Bo]

You think Hellfest organizers with Kickback, they were there.

[Colin]

Yeah, I've talked to them about kickback.

[Bo]

Pretty cool.

[Colin]

Yeah. They're Corman at Aftershock. I was there years later, and I heard a guy speaking French in the backstage area, and I was like, you fuck with kickback? And he was like, yes, of course. Really? I book Hellfest. I love Kickback. And I was like, dude, you put me on Hellfest because we covered kickback. And he was like, I did? Yeah. That's literally what happened is the four beat snare into blast beats. The coolest thing ever.

[Bo]

Like.

[Colin]

Of course.

[Bo]

You know what I'll throw on top of that? That I think is the coolest is when it's that beat and it's just like.

[Colin]

I like some, like, grind. Like, oh, yeah, that's good. Into, like a crazy DB part. What do you want to do? How long did you wait to have a nugget after the first attempt? I did not eat a nugget of any kind for six months. And I. The salt man. You need. I got water.

[Bo]

I'm getting, like, sweaty.

[Colin]

We're in my living room, by the way, and I got water.

[Bo]

I don't need some of that.

[Colin]

Are you jealous?

[Bo]

This is the first nugget I've had since.

[Colin]

You're trimming. You're Slenderman.

[Bo]

They don't fit the macros. But we hit chess today.

[Colin]

We hit the gym today. Yeah, it's true. Music biopic you would like to see made. Fancast the band director. I literally can't because I think it's gonna come true, which is crazy. You didn't hear it from me. Oh, there we go. Oh, that was good. Was that a new nugget?

[Bo]

Yes.

[Colin]

My bad. What about you music biopic you'd like to see made?

[Bo]

Hmm.

[Colin]

Look at Amelie over there. So cozy.

[Bo]

She's so cozy. Sweetie one. I'm like 50.

[Colin]

That's my cat. She's actually a fucking demon from hell, so.

[Bo]

She's always been sweet to me.

[Colin]

See that paw? It's pure evil.

[Bo]

There will surely be an Aussie biopic after he passes.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Bo]

And if it's done well, I think it could be sick.

[Colin]

I agree. That's a crazy story. The Randy Rhodes, Sharon being the fucking mob.

[Bo]

Basically the fucking Sabbath. You know, like there are. That's a three part.

[Colin]

That's a true Jakey Lee.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin]

He's got to be in there. He'll probably be the villain in that story somehow. Them doing the voice is going to be crazy. Okay. Mount Rushmore, death metal bands. Jesus Christ.

[Bo]

We've definitely done that before.

[Colin]

We've done it. Yeah. Mormon Angel, Cannibal Corpse, Bull Thrower.

[Bo]

It's always the fourth one.

[Colin]

And then Suffocation. For me, that was.

[Bo]

That's what I would have guessed. I'll say. Cannibal, Morbid Angel, Bow Thrower and Toot.

[Colin]

There you go.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin]

Bo and Colin Band. When?

[Bo]

Shoot.

[Colin]

Yeah, it's. It's in the works. We're very inspired at the moment and I would say based on the last like three weeks of episodes, it's kind of easy to tell what we've been inspired by lately. So it's gonna sound like that. So enjoy.

[Bo]

If you pay attention to, like our.

[Colin]

Instagram stories of the shirts, we're buying a good indicator. Bo, what is your favorite? Colonism. And Colin, what is your favorite? Bo. Ism.

[Bo]

Oh, that's interesting. You have a voice that you do that you and your wife do that I think is funny every time. What? No. Well, you'll be like, yeah, that's the cat. She's fucker. Like you guys just have this, like. And it. It's always funny to me.

[Colin]

You. You say that's a problem about stuff.

[Bo]

It's a problem.

[Colin]

You'll be like. And then. And then they'll forget this. And that's a problem. And I like that. And also, of course, my whole bit. I get it. I got it. You know, that's very you. That is.

[Bo]

I still. What sucks is that story.

[Colin]

I. I haven't ticked this in a while.

[Bo]

You missed one. The last one. Stephen will figure it out in post on. On the European tour that we did together, I spray awake.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Bo]

And was speaking in my sleep, and I said, I get it. I got it. And then I went right back to sleep. And that is something that.

[Colin]

It's so you.

[Bo]

It's been, like, robbed from my lexicon, though, because I don't want to be sleeping, Bow. But I say it still.

[Colin]

Oh, it's. It's. It's the most. You. I believed it. Immediately liked it. Let's see. Why do we park in a driveway and drive in a parkway? Americans don't drive on a parkway, brother. That's. That's. You do that down under.

[Bo]

They got parkways in New York.

[Colin]

Yeah, we don't. I. But we don't. We don't claim those here. Okay. Hard Lore Fest should be a thing. Thoughts? Scary.

[Bo]

Sounds like a pain in the ass, Gary.

[Colin]

It's a scary idea.

[Bo]

You guys have to, like.

[Colin]

We just want to be a video zine, you know?

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin]

Really.

[Bo]

We want to be an archive of shit that we think is dope. But the amount of work that goes into doing a fest. Well, yeah. And, like, we would only want to do it really well for a lot. It's a lot scary.

[Colin]

Bro. Are you excited for the. The Closed Casket tour?

[Bo]

I've been looking forward to doing a US tour for, like, several months now because we've done so much flying and international stuff.

[Colin]

Totally.

[Bo]

Full of hell's sick. Cruelty is sick. Click is sick. Jarhead sick. It's all gonna be.

[Colin]

It's a great tour.

[Bo]

It's a great tour. Good routing. And then it's kind of buffered, too, by, like, Sonic Temple and a show with Converge and Milwaukee Metal Fest. Like, there's all this stuff all in one. Can't wait.

[Colin]

Totally agreed. What is your favorite joker and balatron?

[Bo]

I really like the baseball bat guy. That adds. I think it's 1.5 multiplier to every uncommon joker that you have. Right now, I'm trying to beat the. The black deck, where you get an extra joker so that allows for him. So you're kind of like, if you get him, you got five jokers, and if you get all uncommon ones, it's. It's crazy.

[Colin]

Damn.

[Bo]

So I really like that guy, and I really love the one that's like, replicate the one next.

[Colin]

That's my favorite. That's. I think, the. The most op.

[Bo]

So op.

[Colin]

And then the one. The one I like. I play the deck Generally my main deck is the no face cards 1.

[Bo]

Really? Why is that?

[Colin]

Because you generally get a joker that is either like all cards are face cards and then that one's dope.

[Bo]

Or.

[Colin]

Or the multiplier for every hand with no face cards, you get 0.25x every hand.

[Bo]

Oh, and it just.

[Colin]

Or it's like 0.1 or something. 0.01. So by like anti6, you're at times 3 every time.

[Bo]

I also really like the red card.

[Colin]

They would love the red one that you get.

[Bo]

Is it 0.25 per pack open in no cards?

[Colin]

I think it's plus. Plus three. Plus three per. Per discard. Yeah.

[Bo]

And you can really. And then if you get the.

[Colin]

I'm at plus 100.

[Bo]

You would do the replicate one.

[Colin]

Yeah, that. That with a times multiplier on the. On the back.

[Bo]

You're killing it.

[Colin]

You're it's game.

[Bo]

What's your favorite like hand to play?

[Colin]

Two pairs is like the hand really to me. Full house has been my recent. But it's. That kills you late in the game.

[Bo]

It can.

[Colin]

Because you're like, okay, all I have to do is get a full house. And you're discarding left and right so that you get a full house. Blotro is, for people without context, one of the greatest. It's not only. It's not just a card game, it is one of the greatest human innovations in the past 20 years. I would say it has made time, like flight, air travel go by so fast. You can get it on your phone, get it on your computer, anything.

[Bo]

I like flushes. That's like my favorite.

[Colin]

You're a flush man.

[Bo]

I love.

[Colin]

Do you do the joker where you only need four? It's a good one.

[Bo]

That one rocked with the forehand.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Bo]

And then the skip. No, there's one where clubs and spades are the same or hearts and diamonds are the same. So like flushes are nothing. And then you get Jupiter. Jupiter, Jupiter, Jupiter. Come on.

[Colin]

Interesting.

[Bo]

You guys gotta play Balatro.

[Colin]

It's the best.

[Bo]

What am I at?

[Colin]

What are you at? Yeah, that's a great question. You're at 40.

[Bo]

That's it. That was 10.

[Colin]

Yeah, I think so.

[Bo]

This.

[Colin]

This we'll review, we'll see in the footage. Oh, you're doing great.

[Bo]

I'm thoroughly impressed that you ate this, man.

[Colin]

Thanks, man. Times two plus eight.

[Bo]

Yeah. The most of these I've ever eaten. And also I haven't eaten since. What time did we get Dell last night?

[Colin]

Like 5:30 last night.

[Bo]

So I haven't eaten in basically 24 hours, and I feel awful. I'm very impressed that you did this. I, at one point, at my largest, was eating. Would eat 40 at a time, no problem. No problem with fries. Like, probably a McDonald's.

[Colin]

Well, funny that you say that because somebody said, bo, as someone who has just begun my fitness journey in my mid-20s senior transformation has been very inspiring. You're killing it, that's all. You're gonna burn these off. No problem. Taylor said, that's funny. My brother, thinking that it was me doing this, said, not a question, but I think he will eat even less this time. He's right. He is right. I will eat one.

[Bo]

Not bad. Was that better than the ones you had?

[Colin]

About the same.

[Bo]

Okay.

[Colin]

Yeah. Good.

[Bo]

And these were fresh.

[Colin]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Best. Best or worst show you've ever played? Best and worst show you've ever played.

[Bo]

Worst. Feels so mean.

[Colin]

We've answered this before, though.

[Bo]

Yeah, but it's fun to revisit because we always. I was gonna say when we were filming what we did yesterday. You'll find out about that in a week. When we ask people their four records, we should always give ours because I bet they'll change every single time.

[Colin]

That's true.

[Bo]

You know what I mean?

[Colin]

I don't even remember what.

[Bo]

That's what I'm saying. I think that's kind of fun. Like the letter mosh will kind of always change.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Bo]

Best show we've ever played. Probably when Harvest Way, the record release, hit the metro.

[Colin]

Yeah, that's cool.

[Bo]

That. That was really sick. We have some cool stuff coming up at the end of the year that I can't talk about yet. But that. That's really gonna be something too. War Show. It's worst show is the one where James broke his arm.

[Colin]

Yeah, that's awesome.

[Bo]

After one, John had already quit, and then the other John quit after the show and James had a broken arm.

[Colin]

I'm just waiting. No Johns left.

[Bo]

No Johns. What about you?

[Colin]

Bess was probably first sound and Fury back for God's sake. And first Sound and Fury back for Twitching Tongue. Worse was Ruckus and Zabalb at the Cobalt Cafe. Zero Pit. Horrible. Somebody said what made it awesome? Despite the circumstances, absolutely nothing. This was the show with the. Are we doing water? No, not tonight.

[Bo]

What made it awesome is James broke his arm, like, two songs in, finished the set, drove home with the broken arm to prove to himself that he was okay. And then we did a tour. We left for a tour five days later, and he Just had a cast the whole tour. And like, you see those pictures of Hetfield, you know.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Bo]

Where he's got a cast because he broke his arm skateboarding and like, those are cool. So we. We have a little bit of that. There's some pictures out there of it.

[Colin]

That is cool. Big Brian. No, same nugget. All right, so you're at 43. I won't count the next one. Sorry. I also counted one of that one I ate. So you're at 42. When will there be a warning appreciation episode? I think we. I would love to have Patrick From Morning and 40 Watt Sun on or some sort of top 10 doom bands records episode. That would be fun. I think we're just really into. We're really niche.

[Bo]

Hc.

[Colin]

And also, you know, something I want to address. I want to course correct a little because I feel I've steered many people in the wrong direction.

[Bo]

Explain.

[Colin]

I. You know, I said something the other day about how like circle pits in California are like out of style right now and young people were responding like circle pits suck or something. And like circle pits are uniquely hardcore invented in California. Like you need to take pride in this beautiful thing we have. They are for hardcore music. Everybody else has. Has adopted them in the wrong way. They're ours. They're for us, for fast parts in hardcore music. And I just. I think I blame myself with the spin kicking and the ghosts and all that. The ghosts spin kicking in the haunted places and stuff.

[Bo]

I hear about this. Let's rank from stage what you think looks the coolest pack show people going nuts. There's circle pits, there's push pits, there's hardcore dancing.

[Colin]

The people are skanking lately. And when, like when the whole fest is skanking.

[Bo]

It is.

[Colin]

It's crazy. It looks beautiful.

[Bo]

It's the best. Yeah.

[Colin]

But a gigantic California circle pit. Used to it. Like if you look at like a Suicidal Tendencies video, they're walking in a circle the entire time.

[Bo]

Just. Just going.

[Colin]

And it looks.

[Bo]

And there's always like a little.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Bo]

Covering the beer. I. If a room is truly packed.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Bo]

So packed that someone couldn't spin to spin kick. A push pit. Looks so sick. I think it looks awesome.

[Colin]

I think a scarce violent pit looks like shit.

[Bo]

The word.

[Colin]

When. When there's five guys really violently moshing and everybody else is scared. It looks terrible when everybody's moshing. Hard as fuck. Like dying fetus in the trenches. FYI.

[Bo]

That was.

[Colin]

That looked unbelievable.

[Bo]

Fucking cool.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Bo]

Could I get that other sprite?

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Bo]

I'm Gonna have a one on one night. He went, I'm gonna do a talking ahead with the camera.

[Colin]

Okay.

[Bo]

This is one of the worst decisions I've ever made. I knew I couldn't do this. I predicted the 60s. There's no way I'm making it even in maybe to 50. Maybe to 50.

[Colin]

The is going on. Oh, I put it over. I'm gonna put one over there. It's over there on the. That little.

[Bo]

Perfect, perfect.

[Colin]

Don cachet.

[Bo]

Thank you so much. Can't dig into any more of these delicious nuggets without it.

[Colin]

Let's see, man.

[Bo]

What do we got?

[Colin]

Switch. Two thoughts.

[Bo]

I'll get one.

[Colin]

Yeah, I'll get one.

[Bo]

You know what's crazy is that the regular switch is 300 bucks and the OLED is 350.

[Colin]

Like, why would you not.

[Bo]

I have the non oled one because I just have always had it.

[Colin]

And the switch to first one is not oled. Come on.

[Bo]

Bastards. They know exactly what they're doing.

[Colin]

They know what they're doing, man. And I. They got me. There's a new Mario Kart. What am I gonna do?

[Bo]

You're not.

[Colin]

I need to be the best. Oh, yeah. It's good. Good stuff, huh?

[Bo]

My head hurts. I have, like, a headache.

[Colin]

What do you both do when it comes to cardio?

[Bo]

I walked for 15 minutes before this.

[Colin]

That's it. Like in general, though, what's your cardio choice? How long and. And at what incline?

[Bo]

Well, I do 40 minutes every time, of course. Rocky. Yeah. Walking or a bike if I'm really trying to do something. But I'll tell you one thing, on tour, I don't do any cardio.

[Colin]

You don't need to gym.

[Bo]

I don't need to.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Bo]

Busting my ass for a half hour. Another day, another dollar.

[Colin]

Very good Biohazard. My. My favorite. I'm a big hiking gu. It incline treadmill. I'll go if it's a 15. If it's a 10, I'll go 10. If it's a 15, I'll go like 12. 12 and a half. This is a PSA for the incline treadmill, people. If you're hanging on for dear life to an incline treadmill, you are no longer inclined.

[Bo]

Right.

[Colin]

The incline comes from fighting uphill. Like, the shape of your body needs to physically be inclined trying to fight up the incline. If you're holding yourself, you become leveled with the incline. Thus, no longer incline. I'm doing this. I'm saying this for your benefit, okay? Trust me.

[Bo]

Wow.

[Colin]

I think about it every time. I see an incline. I'm like, you're not inclining. You're not though. You might as well walk flat. If you're holding on, I hold on.

[Bo]

But just for the heart rate, you know, the heart meter.

[Colin]

That's fine.

[Bo]

I don't like hold on. But when people are like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Colin]

If you're holding on and you're still not leveled with it, you should be fine.

[Bo]

Okay. Interesting. I've never thought about it.

[Colin]

Yeah, it's. You're no longer inclined. Who does the better? James Hetfield. Yeah. Between you two, it's for sure. You. You. You summon Hetfield.

[Bo]

Sometimes there's a. At the end of Sandman, like when it. Like in the music video. It's the truck. He does like a. Yeah. And it's.

[Colin]

So is that your like Discord sound or something?

[Bo]

It had on the. On the roadcaster. I had like the.

[Colin]

That was one of your buttons. Yeah, yeah, that sounded. You just did it so well that I remember. I. The actual sound came and then the boom. I like when you do the Let Loose, man.

[Bo]

Oh, oh, yeah. Let loose, man.

[Colin]

That's perfect.

[Bo]

That's entertainment, man. S m. Pause this. Pull that up. Yeah, just let it play. You'll hear exactly what I'm talking about. Let loose, man.

[Colin]

So good.

[Bo]

The fuck was he talking about?

[Colin]

I don't know. Did one or both of you ever have a dinosaur phase?

[Bo]

There was a book that you would get from like the book fair school Aztec, like book club or school ass. You remember what I'm talking about?

[Colin]

Yeah, the scholastic.

[Bo]

Is it scholastic?

[Colin]

I like school. The schoolastic book fair, man. Let loose.

[Bo]

I never read, I guess, but at.

[Colin]

The end, the first nugget in a while, right?

[Bo]

Oh, yeah. This is gonna be the last for a while. At the end of the dinosaur book, there was like a piece of a dinosaur. And over time you would build the skeleton. I was into that for a little bit. Land Before Time made me really sad.

[Colin]

I didn't like that.

[Bo]

Really sad.

[Colin]

Yeah. I mean, I love Jurassic park. One, two, three. But other than that, I wasn't like into dinosaurs.

[Bo]

My dad showed me the first Jurassic park and when Samuel Jackson's arm falls.

[Colin]

On her, you scared the. You were a scared ass kid.

[Bo]

I was afraid of everything. And he had to stop it.

[Colin]

Scared asking little boy, what's the best marshable Metallica song?

[Bo]

It's a great question. Yeah, I mean, Blackened has a legit breakdown.

[Colin]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Bo]

Like, like Thrashers were thrashing to that.

[Colin]

King.

[Bo]

Nothing has a actual mosh part I think belt holes.

[Colin]

Intro, obviously.

[Bo]

Belto's intro. Harvester intro. Come on, dude. Unbelievable.

[Colin]

What kind of stuff is popping up on your Instagram Explore pages today? Let's see.

[Bo]

No comment.

[Colin]

Let's see what's on mine. I got. There's a. Right now. There's a title fight. Hoodie.

[Bo]

Little puppy dog.

[Colin]

Got this.

[Bo]

Oh, that's all right.

[Colin]

I got a bunch of watches, and I got. Oh, this. Dude. There's this country duo popping up on my feed every day. They're. They're, like, young. Yeah, they're young guys. And they have a song that goes. It's waking up Buster your butt, trying to earn a little extra pay. And I sing it, so it's. So I'm gonna find it.

[Bo]

Okay, I got.

[Colin]

And all the comments are brutal. Oh, to the creek for a fishing day. It's. All the comments are like, a widow, extra pay. It's brutal. It comes up every day. I watch it every time.

[Bo]

I got a lot of Coachella stuff. I had Blink 182 getting off stage for some reason. Have some streamer stuff. Oh, there's Bernie.

[Colin]

Oh, that's a good one.

[Bo]

Burning with the misfits stuff with the. The amps. It's pretty cool.

[Colin]

What could have been, you know? Where's the fabled 911 episode? That was such a good idea.

[Bo]

Remind me.

[Colin]

I think, oh, this is the guy I bought the 911 shirt from. That's crazy.

[Bo]

No shit.

[Colin]

Yeah, I bought. We. I plan to do a 911 episode with various musicians, asking them where they were. Where they were.

[Bo]

That's awesome. That's great.

[Colin]

9, 11, 20, 25. It's coming.

[Bo]

That's great.

[Colin]

With all. With great respect. It's one of. It's one of the.

[Bo]

It's a defining moment in the world. In the world. Yeah. If you were, what, seven and above. Yeah.

[Colin]

You remember, what event in track and field could you currently stand a chance in competing?

[Bo]

Well, I beat his ass in the 40.

[Colin]

You did? You did.

[Bo]

Now, though, we should do it again.

[Colin]

Long jump. I'm an unbelievable long jumper.

[Bo]

Would you do the two legs forward thing?

[Colin]

Oh, yeah.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin]

Oh, yeah.

[Bo]

I don't know why. And I would have to start low. I think I could pull vault.

[Colin]

Was that a nugget?

[Bo]

Yeah. Thank you. Good call. Yeah, I think I could do it, but they go upside down first. It's crazy.

[Colin]

Yeah. I don't like it. I don't like what they're doing.

[Bo]

It's great.

[Colin]

I'm not into pole vaulting.

[Bo]

What else is there High jump. Javelin.

[Colin]

Javelin is off.

[Bo]

Shot put, Shock put.

[Colin]

Shot put rules.

[Bo]

Hammer throw, where they like that.

[Colin]

Rocks, too. But yeah, I'm. I would say I'm one of the best long jumpers in the world.

[Bo]

Anything but running.

[Colin]

Yeah. Oh, what song from each other's catalog would you like to cover?

[Bo]

The good ones. Dude, I feel all.

[Colin]

No, you're good. You're doing great. I would love to do the. A Safe Space version and sing it, you know? That'd be good.

[Bo]

Yeah, I would do.

[Colin]

I feel like Harm's way to finish the job would go crazy.

[Bo]

Oh, that's crazy.

[Colin]

That would be sick.

[Bo]

That would be really sick. Yeah. The good answer. I was thinking twitching immediately, but you're right.

[Colin]

That would just maybe translate a little better. Well, I would say, but then you'd cry. James A. Great singer. Bo. Top three favorite movies.

[Bo]

It's an excellent question, isn't it? Let me think about it.

[Colin]

Over the Daddy Shack. You love the thing. Little Shop of Horror. That's easy.

[Bo]

Wow. Okay. Lord of the Rings. I don't care which one. Come on down here. You want some Nugget? The Godfather, probably part one.

[Colin]

That tail just went straight in the buffalo.

[Bo]

Right in that sauce. And let's go for a little levity. Big Lebowski.

[Colin]

That's a great pick. I already counted that. Will Colin be coming to Furnace Fest? No, it's during the. God Sage.

[Bo]

It's during European tour, which we just found out we did.

[Colin]

Sadly, possibility of a tribal gaze episode inevitable. New record on Nuclear Blast soon. I've heard the whole thing. I can promise you it may be my.

[Bo]

How many?

[Colin]

49. Oh, minus two. So 47. There's one. No, no, I didn't count. 148 because one was mine.

[Bo]

I'm gonna do two more.

[Colin]

No, no, you got.

[Bo]

You're good.

[Colin]

Come on.

[Bo]

I'm gonna throw up.

[Colin]

Good. I threw up. Stephen.

[Bo]

You get those out of my face. But thank you. Thank you. You threw up when you were done.

[Colin]

Yeah, I know. Yeah. That's how I knew I was done. I've heard the tribal gays record. It is maybe my favorite recorded guitar tone in history. No, the deepest palm mutes I've maybe ever heard. It's crazy.

[Bo]

Who recorded it?

[Colin]

Taylor.

[Bo]

Home of the perfect Palm.

[Colin]

What he does. What was the last thing that made you cry? From laughing. I can tell you that immediately because it was yesterday.

[Bo]

This is a great story.

[Colin]

My wife very famously misquotes and misremembers people's names like celebrities and whatnot. I've got A whole Twitter thread about it.

[Bo]

Here it is.

[Colin]

Yesterday, the newest one. I asked if she had seen the movie Fred Claus, which is a Christmas movie starring Vince Vaughn, Paul Giamatti, and Ludacris. Because I think Ludacris, tiny body in the movie is hilarious. She said, the one with Bobby Lee. I said, I don't think Bobby Lee is in that movie. She was like, bobby Lee, he's in the movie. And I was like, who are you thinking of? She goes, bobby Lee Jones. And then showed me a picture of Billy Bob Thornton in Beth Santa. And I was. I was driving and weeping, crying.

[Bo]

Yeah, Bobby Lee Jones.

[Colin]

Bobby Lee Jones was crushed. Me. Let's see. Scariest moment either of you have had in the woods or outdoors. You've seen an alien straight up.

[Bo]

There was one time. I don't know if I've told the story before, but we were driving west. Like, the overall trip was Montreal to Vancouver. So we were just somewhere in, like, I don't know, middle of Canada. I don't even know it's there. Saskatchewan or whatever. And we saw light, like.

[Colin]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Yeah, that's the end.

[Bo]

No, no, this is a different one that was on the Kuba contour, where the lights. And then we never saw where they came from, but in this one we saw light. And I thought it was like, you know how out in the millinor there will be, like, a concrete plant and it's just like, really lit up or like an oil refinery or a logging camp or something. We were kind of in the woods, and we again, did see it, and then I saw it move and pulled over, and it was just the northern lights, and it was like, one of the most beautiful I've ever seen. It was awesome, but it was creepy. But it was cool.

[Colin]

Okay.

[Bo]

So it immediately went from scary to. Oh, wow, this last one.

[Colin]

Don't say that. Don't give up.

[Bo]

What would John Cena. He just doesn't want to have to help me.

[Colin]

What would John Cena do?

[Bo]

He would not do that.

[Colin]

He would never give up. He may. He would do anything for content, too. I don't know that I've had a scary moment. I've never been scared outdoors, only inside. Yeah, horrifying.

[Bo]

That's fine.

[Colin]

I've been scared on an airplane watching the Babadook for the first time.

[Bo]

Wow.

[Colin]

I was deeply unsettled.

[Bo]

That's probably like a green flag to that filmmaker.

[Colin]

I really felt genuinely unsafe watching the Babadook on a. On a full flight.

[Bo]

I Was.

[Colin]

I was so safe and I was. I was. I felt unsafe. Best venue or festival in Europe.

[Bo]

Wow. Played a lot of really nice ones.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Bo]

On this Knock Loose tour, the big one, the one in Brussels. I will never remember their names because they're all like in the. Whatever language it is. The big one in Brussels was so nice. The catering was amazing. The staff was cool. And it's in the middle of like cathedral area. So you just walk outside and you're in the most beautiful place.

[Colin]

Wow.

[Bo]

Fest is hell fest all the way. And Outbreak. Outbreak is fantastic.

[Colin]

I'm dying to go to Northern Unfest. Dying to do it. We gotta go there. Venue. I really wish the shows I played at Arena Ween were good because the like compound is so sick.

[Bo]

It's so sick.

[Colin]

But I've never played anything good there.

[Bo]

We played together at Dynamo in.

[Colin]

Yeah, we're banned from there. That's where we're banned from.

[Bo]

Not us.

[Colin]

No, no, I think you're fine. We're literally banned because of the food or something. Because of a banana peel or something. I don't know. Allegedly. Maybe some grapes.

[Bo]

Sensitive.

[Colin]

It's just grapes. You know, sour grapes. Mount Rushmore gym movements.

[Bo]

Oh, great question.

[Colin]

Yeah. Shoulder press.

[Bo]

I'll tell you right now. Lat raises.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Bo]

Particularly if you can find the machine to do it.

[Colin]

Oh, I never do the machine, dude.

[Bo]

The machine, it. There's no strain on your forearm, so it feels really nice. It's very comfortable and it gets you just as pumped. Shoulder press, shoulder press. Love the shoulder press. When you have a good bench day, you feel like the strongest person. So I love a good bench. And then. Oh, any bicep curl, preacher curl.

[Colin]

I love a. A rope curl.

[Bo]

Oh, yeah, this guy.

[Colin]

That one makes me feel massive.

[Bo]

That's a good one because I love.

[Colin]

A barbell curl too.

[Bo]

And. And what's the guy, the trainer who was like only trained to max from the 70s. You trained it to maximum effort for 30 minutes a week. Menzer. I think Mike Menzer said to only ever use flat or straight barbell. Never an easy bar because that's more the brachialis only really.

[Colin]

Oh, I love it.

[Bo]

I know. Because it's more comfortable. But that's the point.

[Colin]

Okay, good to know. Tricep, straight bar, push down.

[Bo]

Strongest man in the world. No problem. I can push it maximum, all day.

[Colin]

This feels so good. Pardon this interruption. It's so important. You've got to know who brought you this incredible episode. First and foremost, it's manscape time. Oh, is it ever Your balls smell unbelievable.

[Bo]

I know it. I know it.

[Colin]

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[Bo]

Foot duster, body scrub, body scrubber. The hedge trimmer, the weed whacker, the beard trimmer.

[Colin]

They're on Lawnmower 5.0 at this point.

[Bo]

It's crazy.

[Colin]

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[Bo]

I woke up and filled a glass with cold water.

[Colin]

How many ounces?

[Bo]

About 8 to 12. Yeah, roughly. And then one simple scoop of this beautiful green powder.

[Colin]

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[Bo]

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[Colin]

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[Bo]

We have no idea.

[Colin]

But we have hopefully survived by then because of the incredible things we're putting in our bodies now. AG1 is a big part of that drinkage. ONE.com Hardlaw this episode is brought to you by Mad Vintage.

[Bo]

Hey, Colin, where'd you get that shirt?

[Colin]

MADD Vintage dot com. Wow. Yeah. That's all you got to do. You go to this website, you. You listen to a band that we talk about on our show. He's got you covered. You're going to find the shirts you've been looking for your entire life. And this is. We're passionate about this. We.

[Bo]

It's one of our favorite aspects of the thing that we're into, and it's important to note Luke over at Mad Vintage. He's looking to buy, he's looking to trade. He wants to see what you got. You know, you have things you haven't worn in a long time in that.

[Colin]

Closet, and you might sell them to him and see him on this show someday. So let's hurry it up. Hit him up. I want them. Our closets are full, so please get the stuff before we do.

[Bo]

I can't take anymore.

[Colin]

No. Code hard lore. 15 for 15 off mad vintage. Back to the episode. Who's the one person in your lives who you root for the most? Friend, family, whoever, and why?

[Bo]

Oh, that's a beautiful.

[Colin]

That's a great question.

[Bo]

Here's your brother.

[Colin]

Mine's probably my brother. When he has a win, I feel really good.

[Bo]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Colin]

My wife, too, obviously.

[Bo]

Obviously.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Bo]

I think wives and partners should be probably.

[Colin]

That's a given.

[Bo]

It's sappy, but probably my mom. Yeah, she's gone through a lot of shit, and she's, like, working for Chicago, like, for the city, doing law and, like, doing the shit she wants to do. I'm very proud of her.

[Colin]

You're really giving up right now?

[Bo]

Yeah. I will puke on camera if you want that in your living room. You want me to get up?

[Colin]

I want you to puke in the toilet.

[Bo]

You want me to puke in the toilet and continue doing it?

[Colin]

Well, keep doing it until you have to puke as well.

[Bo]

I'm two more. And that's gonna happen. I'm not joking.

[Colin]

That's good. You sound like it's a bad thing. I'm telling you.

[Bo]

You didn't do this.

[Colin]

Me puking on into. I. I didn't. I didn't choose to puke. I stood up and vomited, and it was the best feeling I've ever felt.

[Bo]

You didn't stand up and vomited. We did it in my room. You went to yours.

[Colin]

I stood up and was like, oh, I'm gonna throw up. I better go to my room. I got on my hands and knees and scrubbed that toilet. I got all the skids off so that you would have a clean bowl to puke.

[Bo]

You only did that because you destroyed.

[Colin]

You're you.

[Bo]

I'm standing up. See if I got it.

[Colin]

I did that plenty.

[Bo]

Ask me if it felt good.

[Colin]

All right, here we go.

[Bo]

It feels better standing.

[Colin]

I'll tell you what, doesn't it?

[Bo]

A little bit Mothman.

[Colin]

Mount Rushmore Pre breakdown call outs or skank parts. I really don't care about those. You know.

[Bo]

There'S the. The Side by Side, Alex and Backfire. That's sick. It's kind of part of the song. So it's not really a call out, but to push it away.

[Colin]

Ah, yeah, totally, dude.

[Bo]

It's not like a call out, like they're asking, but that came to mind.

[Colin]

Oh, I like the harness. This is a. This is a local favorite harness. Strangle yourself, you coward is a really good one.

[Bo]

Headbutts and broken glass.

[Colin]

That's cool.

[Bo]

That's a good one.

[Colin]

Yeah. If you were cryogenically frozen and sent forward in times what's a hundred years, what's one album you take with you? Can't take much. Killer.

[Bo]

Fine. Probably Bjork. Homogenic.

[Colin]

Okay, very nice. Me, Faith no More, Angel Dust.

[Bo]

Great pick.

[Colin]

Because that's. I gotta show that to the. To those future freaks, you know, the cybernetic warriors. This is sick. Jizz lobber. Let's see.

[Bo]

Guess what? You're dead.

[Colin]

Oh, what new bands are we listening to these days? I like the dynamite record that just came out.

[Bo]

I haven't checked it out yet. I do plan to.

[Colin]

There's a band, a new band called Morningstar. I think they're from the ie. It sounds like Candlemass with a female singer. They sent me their demo. It's. They. They said that they like looked up YouTube videos to record it and mix it themselves.

[Bo]

Oh, that's sick.

[Colin]

It's fucking.

[Bo]

I respect that. Isaac put out two new bands I really like. Couldn't be me.

[Colin]

Oh, cool.

[Bo]

I think that's.

[Colin]

Yeah, that's awesome.

[Bo]

I like that. He was like, I'm gonna do two bands, all me.

[Colin]

At the same time.

[Bo]

At the same time, same day, different genres.

[Colin]

The Self arrest demo is really cool. It's Boston type shit. Step forward. Whatnot. About Face demo is really awesome. As we said last year, Start Today is awesome. Hereditary from San Diego is awesome. Obviously. All the bands on our roster, Cosmic Joke, Firestarter, Mongrel, Siadon from Detroit. You'll hear a little more about them.

[Bo]

A little ditty.

[Colin]

Yeah, it's a great question. Best you done. You can't do that.

[Bo]

Keep going.

[Colin]

Okay.

[Bo]

Did I say.

[Colin]

Well, you did best. Dessert to get at fast food spots.

[Bo]

Oh, fucking bullshit. A milkshake. A vanilla milkshake? Yeah, you don't need any.

[Colin]

Pretty much anywhere. I will say, let's talk about the McFlurry for a second.

[Bo]

It's called for no reason.

[Colin]

It's called a McFlurry. Right. Because the proprietary spoon that came with it is put in a machine and flurried together to mix the toppings in.

[Bo]

It's part of the machine, isn't it?

[Colin]

About five years ago, they stopped the flurry. They dump them on and give it to you do better.

[Bo]

Did the machine really start breaking or are they just being lazy?

[Colin]

That's horseshit.

[Bo]

I heard that.

[Colin]

I've heard that they're hard to clean.

[Bo]

I think what I heard was it is a cleaning thing, but it's. There's a self cleaning thing and it takes like eight hours and they will do it at dinner time.

[Colin]

Get what? This is an interesting question.

[Bo]

I can't wait.

[Colin]

I don't know that I have an answer. What is your favorite thing about an airport? Panda Express. If that's an option, I'm there.

[Bo]

The Newark airport has such a good Panda Express. It's a little cliche and cheesy, but. But one of my favorite things lately, and I've been flying a bunch recently, is just watching how inept, clueless, brainless and like truly selfish.

[Colin]

The average person.

[Bo]

The average person, yes. And what's awesome or not awesome, but. But like the counterpoint to that is the people who you can tell fly a lot. You could tell, oh 100 are like pro.

[Colin]

That's. There's a. I think it's the movie. Oh, the.

[Bo]

Oh yeah.

[Colin]

The Clooney monologue and up in the air about. About who to spot when you're getting in line for security and. And like the. The belt is very real.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin]

Like you look for the guy. The experienced people who pack light. You get behind them rather than the old ass guy. The kids, there's. There's really like. It's a real. It's a. A smart system. TSA PreCheck and Global Entry are revolutionary. Airport thing.

[Bo]

Pre check is unbelievable.

[Colin]

I hope less people get it.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin]

Stop getting preached.

[Bo]

Stop let that one expire.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Bo]

Hi.

[Colin]

This is a crazy question. Top five guitar players of all time.

[Bo]

Great. Love it. Jimmy Page. Jimmy. If there's. I like to say there's Mount Rushmore's and then there's like the sky and clouds. That's Jimmy Page. To me he is end all, be all. Les Paul player, Shredder, Riffer, Mysterious, Magic Zo. So dope. I love Jimmy Page Hadfield, obviously.

[Colin]

I mean in terms of all music. Him singing and playing rhythm guitar that way.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin]

Should be impossible.

[Bo]

We were just talking yesterday about how Megadeth, while not really my thing so much, is objectively incredible. The fact that. Yeah. Please. The fact that Mustaine can do play that and sing that, it's nuts. So anyway, Paige Hetfield, Eddie Van Halen, Pete Townsend, unsung hero of mine, and probably Dimebag the Groove. It's not just the shreddy. I'm not like a shreddy guy. You know what I mean? So I don't really care. But you know. You know what I think the. The sign is? You can hum a Pantera solo and that is the sign. That's the sign of, like, oh, you're not just making noise. You're adding to the song. It's a melody that's going to stick.

[Colin]

I also think as good as he is at shredding, he does more with less. Better than most people.

[Bo]

Oh, dude.

[Colin]

What he can do with an open note and a wah pedal is crazy.

[Bo]

Also, the grooves that he was adding, like, listen to Primal concrete sledge. There's no snare in that until the. You know what I'm talking about. It's just.

[Colin]

That's brothership.

[Bo]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Colin]

That's two brothers being like, what do we do this, man?

[Bo]

Oh, man, that's pretty. What if I don't hit the air, man, Just keep time and then love that song. What would your five be?

[Colin]

Prince, Dimebag, Eddie Van Halen, Andy Laroque, King diamond. And probably have him.

[Bo]

I didn't say Tony Iommi, which is probably not true. He's probably in the back because I also respect that. Like, he's riffing. I love a riffer, but Townsend means more to me personally, for sure.

[Colin]

What is a piece of equipment or weaponry from a video game you would like in real life?

[Bo]

Oh, that's a great question, dude. The laptop gun from Perfect Dark. Do you know that one? So it's a. It's a gun, but you can also throw it and it flies around with you and just sick.

[Colin]

The Golden Gun from goldeneye and Kill anybody. One shot, everybody. All your enemies are gone. The shockwave RPG from Fortnite. I would get where I'm needing to go so fast or just unlimited shockwave grenades at all times. Imagine me get into the show with a shockwave. I'll see you later, honey. But. And then everybody at the show getting blasted too residually. Like he used a shockwave grenade.

[Bo]

Colin came again.

[Colin]

Me getting to stage with a shockwave.

[Bo]

Grenade but not landing lightly at all.

[Colin]

Be awesome.

[Bo]

I always thought that the needler neither looks awesome. It looks awesome and functions in a really cool way. Should have been a little more powerful. Should have hurt a little more Dual.

[Colin]

Wielding needlers online though.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin]

Crazy, Crazy style. This is a great question.

[Bo]

I can't wait to hear it.

[Colin]

What's an unknown band you immediately became a fan of after seeing their set?

[Bo]

Oh, that's a great question.

[Colin]

I can remember two distinct times this happened in my life.

[Bo]

Please share.

[Colin]

The first one was New England metal hardcore fest 2013. Second band on the show was Code Orange Kids.

[Bo]

Wow.

[Colin]

When they were still the kids first. That was the first time I actively sat and watched them the whole time. And they blew my mind.

[Bo]

Really?

[Colin]

Yeah. Like they were playing a bunch of the I am King stuff way before it came out. And it was different. Like the one of the songs on the record, they did like Way Harder. And I just remember seeing these like three shirtless freaks and Reba and thinking like, this is the future of music. This is crazy. Like, this is so extreme. Do they. What do they like? I need. I like, needed to know them. And that's how I met them.

[Bo]

Wow.

[Colin]

Was as soon as they finished, I went on stage and I was like, we gotta be frank. And then I remember we all listened to and love there's no Law in the band an hour later and like became friends that day.

[Bo]

Wow.

[Colin]

And then another one was a band called we were promised Jet Packs open for Jimmy World. The only time I saw them a long time ago. I think they're Scottish. That was one of the bands where.

[Bo]

I'd never heard a.

[Colin]

Never heard a note.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin]

And left like a fan wisdom and chains too. I had never heard them when we toured with them. And I was obsessed. Patrick.

[Bo]

I'm on. I'm on this Australian kick. But I, I. It needs to be said again. There's a very cool young band that we played with in Melbourne called Implode. They just sound like New York hardcore. And they, like, rocked me like, I can't. They don't even have a demo out. I can't wait till it's out. They might be out. Go check.

[Colin]

Beautiful.

[Bo]

The other bandit really impressed me that I liked was Bloodmouth. Another band that I've talked about a lot from Australia.

[Colin]

Absolutely.

[Bo]

Oh, dude. And Cola Boy.

[Colin]

Oh, my.

[Bo]

I had never heard Cola Boy. Watching them at times.

[Colin]

We were in awe.

[Bo]

I was like, what the.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Bo]

So awesome.

[Colin]

And now I like, can't listen to it without crying.

[Bo]

Yeah. It's. It's.

[Colin]

It's really hard.

[Bo]

Rest in peace.

[Colin]

Rip. Truly like a legend. Local legend. Worldwide phenomenon. Incredible work. Could have, could have, will be remembered forever as a legend. Does Nails have the greatest discography of Album covers of all time.

[Bo]

Album covers.

[Colin]

They're four. Four for sure.

[Bo]

Let's think.

[Colin]

Both Rower might be the kings.

[Bo]

Both thrower has a couple really bad ones. Honor. What was it? Honor.

[Colin]

I like that one.

[Bo]

It looks like Dog.

[Colin]

I love it.

[Bo]

It's like low res.

[Colin]

I like it.

[Bo]

Mercenary is also a funny.

[Colin]

I love that one. The weird. Like, it's just kind of the guy. I like the guy. He's about to kill so many people.

[Bo]

Was it honor?

[Colin]

Honor. Battle Pride.

[Bo]

Valor. Right.

[Colin]

V A L O U R Slayer.

[Bo]

Probably.

[Colin]

Yeah. First. First four, they got it.

[Bo]

It's. I mean, it's unbelievable.

[Colin]

Yeah. Our editor Stephen, who's sitting right there, asks why do you hate your editor and refuse to give him a 10 year disharmony gig? Do you have any idea how hard that would be to play? We haven't played, I think seven of those songs ever. So we would like to do it. I genuinely don't think enough people want that for it to happen. Top three new bands in la.

[Bo]

He just can't answer. He's just struggling.

[Colin]

Top three new bands in la. Top three new bands in Chicago. I would say staple is really good. There's a new band coming out soon called Bloodshed. You're gonna like that. And then Firestarter, of course.

[Bo]

Let's go. Karma. Who aren't exactly new, but relatively Home invasion.

[Colin]

Nice. You can only have one actor or actress's entire filmography to watch. Who you taking?

[Bo]

Leo.

[Colin]

She's insta lock. Huh? Instalock. And Leo.

[Bo]

It's just like. Let's really. I think he's probably the greatest actor of our time. Probably. When you consider how much he's done from such a young age, like from Basketball Diaries and Titanic through Hollywood.

[Colin]

I might go De Niro.

[Bo]

I. I think he's up there with De Niro.

[Colin]

Yeah. Now. I really.

[Bo]

Now, Yes. I really. And I. Obviously De Niro would probably be my next one.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Bo]

But I think I don't love Deer Hunter. You know what I mean?

[Colin]

Yeah. I like Deer Hunter a lot.

[Bo]

I like it.

[Colin]

I. You know what I think? I think we're. Leo was somebody who I grew up absolutely despising. Sure. Yeah.

[Bo]

Of course.

[Colin]

There's some. There's like a teenage in me. It was just like all the girl. All the girls like Leo. So. So I can't like his movies. And then the same thing happened when I was like an actual teenager for Ryan Gosling, where Ryan Gosling was like the Notebook guy.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin]

But then you realize, oh no, he's got. He's got the.

[Bo]

He's got the chops. Yeah.

[Colin]

And then you realize he's one of the goats. Robert Pattinson. Same thing. Same thing goes from Twilight guy to King dude.

[Bo]

Interesting.

[Colin]

That's my Batman. Now, I think next up in that vein is. Is shelving.

[Bo]

Absolutely. Absolutely. That's.

[Colin]

I was gonna say he bursts into the scene and you're like this little private school waltzes his way. Probably Nepos his way into this. And now I'm all in. I don't even. I don't think. I don't. I didn't, like, call me by your name. Like, it. Taking an hour for them to. Was frustrating for me, you know?

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin]

I was like, come on, give me some sauce, man. Yeah.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin]

It really was just like. Like, as. As a piece of, like, famous queer media. I wanted it to be more queer, you know, I wanted more out of it. And the ending is beautiful and devastating. And I guess there's a sequel, which is crazy. I wish I liked him more. But so. But that. That was kind of my first real, like, active impression of him. Was like, obviously, this kid is great.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin]

And now. And now Dune is just.

[Bo]

And what was the. He was in. It was. Is it Kingdom of Heaven or Lost Kingdom? He's. He's.

[Colin]

It's. I think it's just called the King.

[Bo]

Maybe or the Kingdom or something.

[Colin]

It's like a Netflix movie.

[Bo]

He's awesome in that.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Bo]

The movies what got bang, but he's awesome. He does. Yeah. Go bar for bar with me. De Niro movies to Leo movies. Let's count their bangers. For real. I'll start. And I'm gonna count Titanic.

[Colin]

Okay.

[Bo]

I think it's a great movie.

[Colin]

Yeah. King of comedy.

[Bo]

Let's keep track. I just wanna. I'm curious to see who has more of, like, great movies. Okay. The Departed.

[Colin]

Cape here.

[Bo]

Gangs New York.

[Colin]

Taxi Driver.

[Bo]

You're about to smoke Man. Wolf of Wall Street.

[Colin]

Godfather too.

[Bo]

Once Upon a Time.

[Colin]

Casino.

[Bo]

The Revenant.

[Colin]

Good fellas.

[Bo]

The Aviator.

[Colin]

Aviator rocks.

[Bo]

So good.

[Colin]

Hey, meet the parents. Oh, I get whole. I get funnies in here too.

[Bo]

Romeo and Juliet.

[Colin]

Romeo and Juliet's really good. I said good films. Okay.

[Bo]

Just making sure.

[Colin]

I'll count Me the Parents as a franchise.

[Bo]

Yeah, sure. So I'm just saying, because he's also got Basketball Diaries, which is. I think Basketball Diaries is fine. I think it's fine.

[Colin]

And I like it.

[Bo]

I wouldn't count it as, like, a bag, you know? And then also the Johnny Depp movie, like his first Gilbert Grape. Gilbert Grape. Yeah.

[Colin]

You're gonna put that up with the mirror.

[Bo]

I'm saying there are these that people love.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Bo]

I'm not saying they're like bangers.

[Colin]

Sure. Yeah. There's a lot.

[Bo]

I'm just saying you're not wrong.

[Colin]

I love Leo. Oh, the Irishman rules. You hate that.

[Bo]

I protest that.

[Colin]

I love the.

[Bo]

I protest.

[Colin]

And every time I watch it, it's better.

[Bo]

I'm gonna watch it again.

[Colin]

Yeah. Even. Even the bang is funny.

[Bo]

Bang, bang, you're dead. I'm a gangster.

[Colin]

No. God's no masters win. I don't think you can legally answer that. Right.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin]

Yeah. Which is an answer in itself. Does Avenge Sevenfold have tracks?

[Bo]

Not.

[Colin]

They do. They do the homie. John Christ was a was. It was funny. Johnny Christ. Sorry.

[Bo]

What?

[Colin]

You got it, buddy.

[Bo]

What's the. The bat song.

[Colin]

Bat Country. That was. That tore up the charts.

[Bo]

I know. It's the only one I know because.

[Colin]

Of that terrorized the chart.

[Bo]

I know.

[Colin]

Much like Smooth by Santana featuring Rob Thomas. It's the same thing. See. Terrorize the Church. Get over it. Why don't we. Snoring so damn loud. You're awake. God damn. What's the one movie you can only watch once and then never feel the way you did watching it. Like not the same twice.

[Bo]

Oh. Like. Like Sixth Sense or something.

[Colin]

It maybe six cents is doper twice.

[Bo]

Dude. Very true.

[Colin]

Anything like that where the twist changes the entire movie is fucking awesome.

[Bo]

You ever see the game, Michael?

[Colin]

Oh, yeah. It's fucking awesome, dude. Yeah.

[Bo]

That.

[Colin]

It rules. It rules.

[Bo]

If you haven't seen the game. It's a creepy, suspenseful but good movie. It's fucking awesome.

[Colin]

The game rocks. That's. I think Mac is. Mac is a big game head. Never feel the same way.

[Bo]

He did the duel that. I like how they told that story. The three times.

[Colin]

Yeah. Oh, the last duel.

[Bo]

The last one.

[Colin]

Yeah. It's the Rashomon. It's awesome. You don't know who's telling the truth. It's great.

[Bo]

That's great.

[Colin]

Going to Japan for the first time in September. Mostly Tokyo and two days in Osaka. Kyoto. What are some Most dues. Some. Some must dos.

[Bo]

Did you cop that one by the way? Yeah. You did?

[Colin]

Yeah. No, I did. But we'll give you another one. Yeah. Let it out, buddy.

[Bo]

Dude. I will.

[Colin]

Really?

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin]

The sound gets you.

[Bo]

The sound.

[Colin]

Must do's in Japan. I'm gonna. I'm gonna point you in the direction of. Of a couple meals I really liked. They're both one of them is breakfast. There's a pancake place called Benitsuru in Asakusa, Tokyo. You got to get there around 8:30 to put your name in for the day. There will be a line. Put your name in. It's worth it. Get the. Get the custard one. Get the savory one. Get the Nutella one. Those are the best ones.

[Bo]

What's the savory?

[Colin]

Dude, it's like.

[Bo]

Like.

[Colin]

It's like egg.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin]

All over it. Bacon.

[Bo]

I see.

[Colin]

And like cheese, I think it was incredible. Down the street from that, there's a place called Emo Pe. I swear to God. I swear to God. It's real.

[Bo]

I've been there, dude.

[Colin]

Yeah, I bet you have. That's the place with the creme brulee, sweet potato and the shredded UBI ice cream. Absolutely insane. One of my. Two of my favorite desserts in the world in one place. It's cash only, so bring some cash.

[Bo]

Bring some damn yen.

[Colin]

Yeah. Next Family Feud episode win. Maybe Saturn Fury. I don't know. We have another idea.

[Bo]

We have a better. Oh, not better, but like another idea that we'll rock.

[Colin]

That's right. What are you planning to eat after vomiting up the nuggets?

[Bo]

Indian food.

[Colin]

We're getting all merch.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin]

And I'm not gonna bleep that. Steven. We can let them have it because I want that place to last forever. True.

[Bo]

Good point.

[Colin]

Go. Go eat. Law Merch in Studio City is the best Indian food in the world. Change me crazy sentence. But I swear and you can prove it.

[Bo]

I can't think about food right now. And I'm gonna go.

[Colin]

Paneer masala cheese, naan.

[Bo]

Stop, dude.

[Colin]

Chicken tikka appetizer, samosas, water. Silly music videos versus a hard music video.

[Bo]

You've done both.

[Colin]

I've done both.

[Bo]

What is your. I've only done serious music videos. I don't think a silly music video.

[Colin]

I think the silly one I had silly one I had more fun. The harakiri twitching times video and the unsincerely yours video. That one's fucking awesome.

[Bo]

That one's awesome.

[Colin]

But I've like all time a serious one. Hard one is cool because it's like not a meme and not you trying to get over by making a joke out of your band.

[Bo]

Let me ask you something. You was the preacher man was released separately, right? So was the debut single for in Love there is no law.

[Colin]

In love there is no law.

[Bo]

Do you regret that?

[Colin]

Yeah, big time.

[Bo]

Yeah, that's. That's a total My girlfriend's girlfriend. Instead of what?

[Colin]

Like, why did we. Because we. We figured Eyes of Justice, track one, they're gonna hear it anyway.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin]

And that's not how it works.

[Bo]

Isn't how it works.

[Colin]

You gotta get them to get the record with the. With the. The hit. It took a year for Eyes of just to get a reaction. It did not get a reaction until late 2014. It's crazy. If it was the video and the single and, like, how we rolled everything out, it would. I think it would have been different.

[Bo]

I agree.

[Colin]

This is what it is. What show did you miss in your youth that haunts you to this day? There was a Blood for Blood reunion in Pomona with Billy from Biohazard on other vocals.

[Bo]

That's sick.

[Colin]

And I didn't go.

[Bo]

Instead of Rob.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Bo]

Wow.

[Colin]

So stupid. Or instead of Buddha. I don't remember. But, yeah, I really, really, really, really dropped the ball on that one.

[Bo]

I regret not going to see Green Day and Rancid in Wrigley Field for different reasons.

[Colin]

Yeah, that's fair. Would you take Bloodborne 2 if it meant Fortnite was deleted from existence in a fucking heartbeat? Motherfucker. God damn right.

[Bo]

I love a man of principles.

[Colin]

Easily. That's the go.

[Bo]

Look at this cat. She could not be more.

[Colin]

Yeah, she's all right. I give her a shit, but she's all right. When we're alone, I'm like, all right, buddy. But when other people are over, it's. It's beef. Right? Favorite shoes for touring or playing shows.

[Bo]

I'm kind of all over the place these days. I'm digging the Solomons lately for, like, everyday gym and like, walking the. The GT X6s, I think, or whatever. But I've been just wearing sambas a lot. I haven't. I haven't really been too into shoes lately. How about you?

[Colin]

I would say playing drums in New Balance 990v3 has changed my life a little bit.

[Bo]

How so?

[Colin]

Just so comfortable, so dynamic and responsive.

[Bo]

Chris plays in slip ons like Vance.

[Colin]

Really?

[Bo]

Always.

[Colin]

That's a fucking freak right there and then. I genuinely. I generally wear boots when Twitching Tongues plays. But occasionally if something like the church in Philly, where I'm like, it's really hot and I gotta play drums after. I'll wear sneakers and it's so much easier.

[Bo]

Of course you can spin kick, like, easy. You're like, yeah, boots are.

[Colin]

They look sick.

[Bo]

I know, but, dude, every time I've. There have been occasions where I would play in, like, Doc Martens Yeah. And I would be me, so I'd be jumping around going nuts and my, like, shin splints and like.

[Colin]

Yeah, but what is. What is Roger singing in, you know, vans. You think so?

[Bo]

I know.

[Colin]

You don't think he's wearing Doc Martens.

[Bo]

I saw him.

[Colin]

He was wearing vans recently.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin]

I don't know. What's. Pete still wearing boots.

[Bo]

Yeah. But he's wearing, like, engineer. He's not spin kicking or moving even a little bit. Roger's moving thousand times more than him.

[Colin]

And is. I'm open to. I'm open to suggestions, but. And there was a. There was a period where I wore Jordan 12s because they're all black and leather and look like boots. And that was.

[Bo]

It's kind of cool.

[Colin]

That worked. But they look insane.

[Bo]

I do like the boots. Don't get me wrong.

[Colin]

It's just me. Yeah. How do you prefer. Do you prefer guitar or bass? Live. And how are you liking your Dimals? I love my dun. I'm obsessed with them. The one. The one of one. One that I use for Holy Blade is like, my favorite guitar ever. I would say playing bass is the greatest musical privilege any person can experience, you know?

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin]

It's like, I'm so envious of people that get to do that all the time. Like, that's your thing. This is what you have to do. As long as you don't come unplugged, you win, you know?

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin]

It rules. How do you come up with lyrics? I have at least 10 fully completed songs with no lyrics. Help, please. That ain't. I don't know. It's been a while.

[Bo]

So start with a cadence.

[Colin]

I start with a title, generally.

[Bo]

Oh, interesting title.

[Colin]

And a message, and then go from there.

[Bo]

And. And when you're trying to actually put words down, it's like, okay, what fits around this? You know, I really think if it's. If the riff is. Is done, you want to go like, it kind of speaks for itself. I just think, like, once the ball's rolling, you'll.

[Colin]

Why don't you eat one more?

[Bo]

That's gonna be my last one.

[Colin]

Why?

[Bo]

Because I. I don't want to get.

[Colin]

Don't want to get what?

[Bo]

Violently?

[Colin]

Come on, man.

[Bo]

It's the last one. How many?

[Colin]

I mean, it says 57, but who knows what it.

[Bo]

How could that have only been 17 more?

[Colin]

You've been slow. And I ate a bunch and counted them. Besides the new floor Punch book, what are some other books you recommend? Music based or otherwise collected. Obsession is incredible. An unbelievable look. At some of the greatest hardcore shirts of all time. Written by Ryan Banahan. Right. From Desperate Measures. Very cool. Check it out. Music based books.

[Bo]

Scream With Me.

[Colin]

Yeah, of course. Scream With Me by the homie Tom B. Check out the 12 hits episode. It's awesome. I don't think you can buy that anymore. So if you've got it, you've got yourself a collector's item. Will there be another Pet Peeves episode, possibly with a guest?

[Bo]

That's a hilarious. It would be really funny to like find like known prick joins us on a Pet Peeve episode. Find out what they hate, you know?

[Colin]

Yeah, probably not that.

[Bo]

Wasn't that a Patreon?

[Colin]

I think we did it again. Yeah, yeah, we did it on Patreon. So check that out. It's very fun. And then we did one about stuff we like, love. That one was fun.

[Bo]

That one was awesome.

[Colin]

Yeah, I don't care. This is a good question from Luke. If you watch the original interview episodes compared to the newer ones of Hard Lore, you can tell the interview style and the format of the episodes is much smoother and all around better as the show gets older. Were you making a cognizant effort to make the show better? Yes. Before the big interview episodes. Now this is kind of why they're like, I wouldn't say more rare, but they, they stress me out because I'm writing them. Like physically, I'm writing every question.

[Bo]

I'll have eight notes, like eight bullet points of like things to talk about, maybe questions I've always had. Whatever he's got. You scroll.

[Colin]

Yeah, I've got. I've got a large document I pull from. Which is maybe why I'm really comfortable with the zoom ones because it's really easy to just like, okay, that's next time I gigantic document. Yeah, I do extensive pre writing before every episode that we do now, which is good, but it just makes them all a little more work. If you had to reenact one scene or stunt from Jackass, which one are you taking?

[Bo]

The one where they throw up. Just any of them.

[Colin]

There's the one where Bam throws up on. Is it Rab himself's face or something?

[Bo]

Yeah. That sucks.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Bo]

I love Jackass. We never really talked about Jackass.

[Colin]

I love it. Cky Cky Cky.

[Bo]

I love CKY CKY 2K.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Bo]

The Jackass Show. The movies, the Zero Point Fives. I like wild Boys. I never fucked with Eva Lebe.

[Colin]

Me too. I thought it was too mean to. To feel a little.

[Bo]

A little too mean. Fun. Slayer plays. That's cool.

[Colin]

But I got Slayer in the backyard.

[Bo]

Ha. I love Jackass. As a premise. I think Chris Ponus might be the funniest.

[Colin]

I used to see him all the time.

[Bo]

That's so cool. Did you ever talk to him?

[Colin]

Never.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin]

He would always be coming out of the tanning booth as I was entering Wingstop. Real yin yang. This is a great question. What if you could time travel to any historical event to gain the absolute truth about it? Where would you go and would you expose the truth once you came back in real time? Yeah, I would go to the crucifixion of Christ.

[Bo]

There you go. Great answer.

[Colin]

100. That's. That's. Is there a greater question?

[Bo]

No. Because if it's real, then literally nothing else matters.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Bo]

I am now a devout 100 apostle of Christ. Right.

[Colin]

If he. If I watch him get crucified and however many days later, three. That comes back.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin]

I'm a Christian, of course. Like, straight up.

[Bo]

And you'd be burned alive or crucified again, but whatever. So apart from that, I harp on this a lot. I would go to Dallas.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Bo]

And see what happened with jfk. So I get behind that fence. Would you.

[Colin]

Would you. When you got back, Would you be. Would you. You would tell all.

[Bo]

Yeah. You know what I would do? I would. I would make my way to the various places, and I would, like, write a book and, like, maybe plant some evidence that could be dug up once my book came out. To be, like, independently investigate this kind of a thing. But I bump shoulders with. With old Jimmy files behind the fence. I'd look up in the.

[Colin]

You don't think you would have gotten shot. You got murked.

[Bo]

There were people everywhere.

[Colin]

Whereas me, I would have been picketing against Jesus.

[Bo]

Jimmy was.

[Colin]

I didn't believe his ass.

[Bo]

Jimmy was in a police officer uniform.

[Colin]

Oh, would you have a police officer uniform?

[Bo]

No, but I'm just saying I would, like, you know, I'd be like, yeah, there's no.

[Colin]

You know, and there's.

[Bo]

Oh, there's nobody in the book depository or in the jail. And then I'd go, like, what's umbrella man doing? What's babushka lady doing? I'd be out there. I'd be froining all over the place. Yeah, probably that.

[Colin]

It's a great question. That's a great answer.

[Bo]

And then, dude, there was a meeting. A fly on the wall thing. I would like is there was once a meeting between Mussolini, Hitler and Stalin.

[Colin]

Of the actual meeting.

[Bo]

Yeah. Like, just an Actual meeting.

[Colin]

Pre war. Okay.

[Bo]

And maybe gonna have a war. Maybe Stalin was there. It was just, like, border stuff and, like, what we're gonna do. But Mussolini was the only one who spoke everyone's language.

[Colin]

Whoa.

[Bo]

Oh. It was. It was Chamberlain. It was.

[Colin]

So how do you.

[Bo]

Mussolini could have been around and people think he was. And I would have loved to be. Like, what's he doing?

[Colin]

Google Translate?

[Bo]

What are you up to? Yes. No.

[Colin]

He's lying. He said you're a bitch. Greatest side dish of all time. The mozzarella stick.

[Bo]

Oh, dude. The fucking chili's mozzarella dipper.

[Colin]

Oh. That thing is deadly.

[Bo]

Deadly. The thought of that right now is cool.

[Colin]

You should eat one. Eat one more.

[Bo]

I'm not gonna eat one more. Probably.

[Colin]

I think you should.

[Bo]

Probably. Oh. So I can, like, feel it?

[Colin]

Is your body rejecting it?

[Bo]

Not literally.

[Colin]

Because I. That's why I stopped. I couldn't salivate anymore.

[Bo]

Oh. I mean, I'm getting that.

[Colin]

My body rejected any. Putting anything back.

[Bo]

Getting that. And I'm out of drink.

[Colin]

A lot of drink. Let me get some water.

[Bo]

No. I'm. I'm literally so full of water.

[Colin]

Diet Coke.

[Bo]

I don't want to die. Coke.

[Colin]

It would be good. You'd like it.

[Bo]

I got enough in me right now. This is all gonna come around.

[Colin]

You think so?

[Bo]

Yes.

[Colin]

Well, I want to force it out. That's what I'm saying.

[Bo]

I'm not gonna lie.

[Colin]

Let me make you. Pew. They'll love it.

[Bo]

I'm not doing that.

[Colin]

How much time? What time? Where are we at, Steven? That's my cat's feeder. Don't worry about that.

[Bo]

We're at about an hour and a half.

[Colin]

Soup's on.

[Bo]

Oh, that's good. We're great.

[Colin]

Okay. We only have a few more questions.

[Bo]

Perfect. My heart rate has been at about 100 this whole time.

[Colin]

Has it really?

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin]

That's so awesome. Bo and Collins supplement stacks. Great question. Lately. I'll do a probiotic 95. That's insane. A probiotic AG1 is in the beginning of the day, of course. All my essential probiotics and prebiotics are in there. I don't need anything else. But I take an extra. And take an extra one just in case because Rocky recommended it to me. A digestive enzyme.

[Bo]

I saw that in. In your closet.

[Colin]

Huge.

[Bo]

Really?

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Bo]

What's that do for you?

[Colin]

Helps me digest.

[Bo]

Does it, though?

[Colin]

Enzymatically.

[Bo]

Because I'm.

[Colin]

Dude, I'm on point. Oh, yeah.

[Bo]

Do you remember the text message you sent me this morning?

[Colin]

That was from Something else, and I.

[Bo]

Quote, crazy style.

[Colin]

That doesn't mean bad. It's a lot.

[Bo]

I think the followup was, I'm squirting.

[Colin]

No spraying. I didn't take my. Oh, surely. And then I really like the stage flight. I think it's the load in.

[Bo]

Load in is the pill right?

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Bo]

Right.

[Colin]

Or is it lock in?

[Bo]

Lock in is the powder.

[Colin]

I think.

[Bo]

I think. Sorry, Craig.

[Colin]

If it's load in. Load in is my favorite one. The morning one.

[Bo]

The morning.

[Colin]

I love that one.

[Bo]

Yeah, that one's good. You feel?

[Colin]

I am really into it. It makes me feel good. Creatine and then creatine. Yeah, the concrete pill version.

[Bo]

Oh, interesting.

[Colin]

It's five milligrams.

[Bo]

Yeah. But how many pills?

[Colin]

Two.

[Bo]

Oh, nice.

[Colin]

One before, one after.

[Bo]

Wow.

[Colin]

It's incredible.

[Bo]

You've been seeing the stuff about taking more than five. No, they're saying that 10 to 20 is actually ideal for most people. £200 and up.

[Colin]

Really?

[Bo]

For brain saturation.

[Colin]

Really?

[Bo]

That's my algorithm, buddy.

[Colin]

Oh, wow. Mine is Vegas, Matt. Minus $3,000. Hands of baccarat.

[Bo]

God, yeah. Creatine in the morning. AG1 in the morning.

[Colin]

Creatine in the morning.

[Bo]

As soon as I wake up.

[Colin]

Really?

[Bo]

Yeah. It doesn't matter when you take. It does not matter. There's no difference.

[Colin]

I try to take it within a one hour window of working out.

[Bo]

I'm sure that's fine. But like, you know that Mike Israel guy, short muscle guy, bald head. Very scientific about how he talks about muscle movement. Very Jack watch. The whole thing where he's like, it just doesn't matter.

[Colin]

Okay.

[Bo]

Vitamin K drops. I do a course, an iodine drop. Because I heard I should. I don't know, I haven't really noticed anything, but that's on the agenda. And then magnesium before bed.

[Colin]

Okay. That helps you. That gives you crazy dreams.

[Bo]

If I take. So the. The dose is two. I take one because I get scared.

[Colin]

The. I think the healthiest I ever was was when I was eating a shit ton of salmon every day, which has a lot of Omega 3s.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin]

I don't take an Omega 3 supplement, but I think I've like, physically proved that I respond really well to Omega 3. So something to think about. Thoughts and feelings on misfits at Coachella.

[Bo]

Who gives a shit?

[Colin]

I mean, it's deserved. It's one of the greatest bands ever.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin]

And like, I saw a really funny clip where he's like, we know a lot of songs. What do you guys want to hear? And it's basically like nonsense coming back and he goes, here's Hollywood Babylon.

[Bo]

That's good.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Bo]

I don't know. I. I love that band. I don't care what they do. I don't like they should play everything they want to play. They should get every bag they never got.

[Colin]

Agreed.

[Bo]

30 years ago when they. 40 years ago when they started all this, you know.

[Colin]

Mount Rushmore hardcore albums to get people into hardcore. Why don't you take one more nugget while we answer this question?

[Bo]

Okay. What were you gonna say?

[Colin]

MATT R. Hard crime is gay people to net. And this isn't like. Oh, like I do think the average person who's like into TikTok death core. I can't just give them Bad Brain. Self titled Age of Quarrel.

[Bo]

Totally.

[Colin]

You know.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin]

I got to work them in the right way.

[Bo]

It makes total sense.

[Colin]

Satisfaction, I think genuinely has a great mix of fast parts, skank parts, hard breakdowns. I think for the incredible lyrics, I.

[Bo]

Think for the purpose of this, you'd be better served with perseverance or even perseverance.

[Colin]

Production, I think is harder to. To dive into than maybe Rise Rise. Brutality would be a good gateway because it's. It's extreme. Very clean, very like produced crystal clean.

[Bo]

Yeah, that's a. Yeah. So Hate Breed.

[Colin]

Yeah, the Hate Breed is. Is a great intro to hardcore type band.

[Bo]

What would the Underdogs.

[Colin]

What were the Underdogs is incredible. Is like there. That's a great gateway band. Like proven it happens all the time. Yeah. Get. I'm trying to get a guy into hardcore or a girl in the hardcore. What am I giving? I. I mean, Agent Quarrel is that you think so? Because you can give it to him and say like, hey, this is the best of the best. You know, this is like perfectly crafted hardcore music and it's timeless.

[Bo]

Okay. And then like. And then honestly, Minor Threat, like give them one. It'd be like, this is kind of how it started. This is fast. It's really aggressive. It's gonna be some of the fastest guitars.

[Colin]

It has a lot of melody and.

[Bo]

Has melody.

[Colin]

Yeah. That's good. Those are good answers. Somebody said, could you give us any potential covers you considered for the Everything Comes From Somewhere tribute album that never happened, which was that there was a Twitching Tongues cover album in the works for Forever.

[Bo]

Uh huh.

[Colin]

And like Necromantical Screams was going to be on that. Let me see if it's still in my notes. I don't think it is. Wow. Last updated October 2020. In here is judgment, the situation. Deicide. When Satan Rules his World. Carnivore, Carnivore, Megadeth, Go to Hell. Which is from the Bill and Ted's bogus Journey soundtrack. Pearl Jam. Black and Morrissey. You know, I couldn't last. That would be good.

[Bo]

Wow.

[Colin]

Because that sums up. You love or hate the guy. That sums up a lot of musicians feelings about the music industry very well.

[Bo]

As well as Black Cloud. The end of Black Cloud. Is it Black Cloud that you don't.

[Colin]

Like me but you love me the way you're wrong? No, it's.

[Bo]

Is it. You're gonna miss me when I'm gonna.

[Colin]

What is that song called?

[Bo]

I don't know.

[Colin]

Whoa. Stomach St. Did you hear that? That was crazy. Favorite tattoo you both have and what you'd like to get next. I think we've answered that. My back piece is my favorite thing.

[Bo]

I love probably my Metallicat tattoo.

[Colin]

Yeah, that's good. I got to finish. I got to finish this whole thing.

[Bo]

I got to fix it up. But I love that one. I also have my chest piece, too. Yeah.

[Colin]

What's the best band to ever be involved with or make a film score? It's Nine Inch Nails.

[Bo]

It's not even close.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Bo]

You listen to. You know where it started with the 7 soundtrack.

[Colin]

Really? Yeah.

[Bo]

I think that was one of his first things. There's like a remix of Closer in the whole intro of seven with all the splicing.

[Colin]

Easily not even close. Best song from the Tony Hawk soundtrack. Primus. Jerry was a race car driver Boy.

[Bo]

Who destroyed the world.

[Colin]

That's a good one.

[Bo]

AFI.

[Colin]

I think there's a 25 life song in one of those soundtracks, so that's a good one, too.

[Bo]

Tony Hawk Underground had Alkaline Trio, the Explosion, Kiss.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Bo]

Sick. Oh, my God. I can't wait to throw up.

[Colin]

I would just. Just eat another one and then throw up. Come on. No, you're at 59. No, allegedly. I don't actually know what you're at, but the counter says 59. Wouldn't you like to hit 60?

[Bo]

Like, what if I. More. More. What if I'm already in six season?

[Colin]

There's not. It's not possible.

[Bo]

It's definitely possible.

[Colin]

No, there's no way. No, it's not possible. We'll see, but I don't think so. Wouldn't you like to for sure be at 16?

[Bo]

But that's two behind.

[Colin]

We don't know that either.

[Bo]

Okay, do it.

[Colin]

Yeah, buddy. The big six zero. Allegedly.

[Bo]

I'm not eating another one. I'm not eating another one. I'm not even.

[Colin]

Don't you want to hit 61 best album with the worst production? That's a great question.

[Bo]

It's a great question.

[Colin]

The Sandblack Church self titled ep. It sounds horrendous and I love it. I love every second of how bad it sounds. That. That might be my pick.

[Bo]

Straight ahead. I listened to it today at the gym.

[Colin]

You don't like it?

[Bo]

I just think, like, it sounds bad. I like it.

[Colin]

Oh, I love the way Breakaway sounds.

[Bo]

I like it. But it objectively sounds the.

[Colin]

The side by side. Side by side record versus demos may be the biggest disparity in like, wow, this demo sounds fucking miserable. And then the record is like, oh, my God, it's unbelievable. I love the way Breakaway sounds and the Warzone songs. The comp songs sound like ass. But I also like that. Yeah, Breakaway, Breakaway. I really like the production.

[Bo]

But. But to be honest, do you think that's because you love that record or do you think it's. You think you. You would use that production on something you did?

[Colin]

I think if I was making music like that, maybe like, I think the bass tone is fucking like the. Like, that's perfect. Fast, hardcore, twangy bass tone, you know, I like that type of. But yeah, I mean, it doesn't sound modern at all, but I think it's like so of the time that it. It's definitely of the perfect thing. What's worse, a bad meal or a bad movie Meal?

[Bo]

I would say meal's gonna be more expensive.

[Colin]

But a bad movie while I'm in the theater and I, like, don't choose to leave. Horrible.

[Bo]

But you still got your snack. You're still out having a little date night.

[Colin]

Whatever I. I get. I would say because bad meal. I can go. I don't want to eat this.

[Bo]

But you don't. Oh, I see what you're saying.

[Colin]

You know, I'll eat another meal.

[Bo]

You can, like, start. Yeah, okay.

[Colin]

Bad movie. After I've seen it, I'll be like, what?

[Bo]

But you're gonna pay.

[Colin]

I will never get that.

[Bo]

You're gonna pay for both.

[Colin]

Time is more important than money, you know?

[Bo]

Yeah. You're gonna spend. All right.

[Colin]

Time is more.

[Bo]

You'll spend as much time eating on this dinner. I don't know.

[Colin]

We'll never know.

[Bo]

Oh.

[Colin]

Youth Crew revival in the big 2025, right? Probably.

[Bo]

I hope so.

[Colin]

I think the youth are reviving.

[Bo]

I mean, what's funny is we've been through one. Yeah, like, I. I've been through one Youth Crew revival.

[Colin]

It wasn't Great.

[Bo]

It wasn't. I mean, it was cool, but it wasn't, like, huge. No, because there was still, like. Like beat down and like, all the stuff you would expect, which.

[Colin]

That'll never go away because that is still like, the most popular style of hardcore. Like Mashable. Highly Mashable. Hardcore is still gonna forever be in fashion.

[Bo]

Absolutely.

[Colin]

But. And, you know, once the kids start circle fitting, maybe I. I think Straight Edge being in once again will help youth group revive.

[Bo]

And. I don't know, dude, I threw on Wide Awake, the Wide Awake demo today.

[Colin]

Crazy can't make it. All right, last question. Kind of. Kind of related to what we just talked about. What's the direction you'd like to see hardcore go that it hasn't before? Or is there a sound that has been done before, but you don't think it was fully expanded on?

[Bo]

Push the button. Push it.

[Colin]

61. Allegedly.

[Bo]

Oh.

[Colin]

And that's all she wrote, folks.

[Bo]

He.

[Colin]

You know, he's great and all, but he's. He's no mirror. He was no match for the. For the Nugget master. That's what they call. That's what they're calling me these days. You know, everybody thought 88 was a. Was light work. They thought I was a bitch. They thought I was a pussy. They. They don't know that. They don't know what went into this. But I'm proud of you. You did one more than you really expected, right?

[Bo]

No one thought that of you. You just said you were gonna do 200.

[Colin]

I still could.

[Bo]

Stop.

[Colin]

SA.