Catching Up with HardLore (Touring with Deafheaven, playing Riot Fest & More!)

Summary

HardLore Ep. "Catching Up with HardLore" (October 16, 2025)

Hosts: Colin Young & Bo Lueders
Main Theme: Catching up after Bo’s tour with Harm's Way, stories from the hardcore/punk/metal road, Riot Fest debut, interactions with other notable bands, horror, food and more.

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Episode Overview

This episode is an informal yet wide-ranging catch-up between hosts Colin and Bo post-Bo’s return from Harm's Way’s extensive US tour, most notably their debut performance at Riot Fest. They dive deeply into road stories, festival experiences, gear talk, scene reflections, horror movie discussions just in time for October, and casual mailbag Q&A with listeners. The mood is candid, irreverent, and “insider” in tone, with both celebrating scene culture while offering practical insights and offbeat humor.

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Riot Fest Debut & Emotional Impact ([00:00]–[11:32])

• Bo recounts playing Riot Fest for the first time:
  “Riot Fest was just a very sentimental thing for the band. It really felt like—like finally. You know what I mean?” ([09:33])
• The band’s Chicago roots received an enthusiastic local response, described by Bo as “pandemonium” when Harm's Way’s singer took the stage ([11:19]).
• Notable Moment:
  • “Knocked Loose watched us from start to finish. All of them—every single one of their crew and band—watched us on the side of the stage because they're the best. A lot of friends. My mom saw the whole thing. I did Pete Townsend for my mom.” ([10:37])
• The set drew an estimated 20,000 attendees, and Bo’s only regret was not having more time in their hometown.

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On Touring with Deafheaven & Tour Anecdotes ([01:41], [03:54], [06:02], [07:06])

• Camaraderie with Deafheaven:
  Despite not knowing the band well before, Bo found them immediately welcoming: “All of them were really cool…very welcoming. Very cool. Everyone’s really—” ([04:39])
• Touring hardships:
  • Harm’s Way drove roughly 20,000 miles: “To drive from Miami to Seattle is 3,600 miles. We did that about six times.” ([07:06])
  • Tour fatigue is real: “My back is exploding...I think it’s from sitting in the van and just being in this position.” ([08:08], [08:46])
• On the opener, I Promise, I Promised the World:
  Young, managed by scene stalwarts, broke a guitar but received empathy and help from the older bands ([06:10]).

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Festivals: Furnace Fest, Casino Show, and Notable Performances ([12:12]–[26:13])

Casino Show with Lamb of God & Body Count ([12:12])

• Harm’s Way played a casino date with Lamb of God, I Hate God, and Body Count.
  • “If we did a tour with Lamb of God, I…I—we’d be millionaires.” ([13:06])
  • “Body Count is unbelievable, dude…they sound checked…like Pearl Jam…going nuts. That’s what Body Count’s doing.” ([13:46]).
  • Ice-T’s involvement as “conductor for real” surprises the hosts ([14:07]).
  • Fun moment: Body Count opens with “Raining Blood” and “Postmortem” in their entirety ([14:28]).
  • Harm’s Way meets Ice-T backstage, via text assist from Will Putney: “Everything was really cool. They offered…their sodas…and then we got the hell out of there.” ([15:04])

Furnace Fest ([20:42], [21:18])

• Priceline hotel mishap, classic touring snafu ([21:18]).
• Furnace Fest was described as a “blur”, challenging load-ins but “Set was really good. Haywire…just the craziest, like, wow, they really did that, huh?” ([22:55])
• Gridiron, Biohazard, and Foundation noted for standout sets ([23:58], [25:17]).
• Comment on demographic: “Christian guy who hasn't heard music since 2006" juxtaposed with "a lot of young people keeping it popping and fresh." ([25:04])
• Furnace Fest logistics and vibe—often “generated by AI,” referencing schedule weirdness ([23:41]).

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Life on the Road: Cities, Food, Gambling, and Gear ([26:13]–[35:17])

• B and C market shows: Harm’s Way played less-toured markets like Bloomington, IL and Davenport, IA.
• Deafheaven’s love for gambling: “A lot of ceelo happening, a lot of dice…” ([26:24])
• Coffee on tour: No luck with good coffee in secondary markets, but glowing review of Jacob Alejandro (Troy, NY): “Crème brûlée latte - damn near blasted through my pants…” ([51:21])
• Favorite snacks growing up: Cheez-Its, Red Baron pizzas, zebra cakes, Little Debbie Oatmeal Cream Pies ([39:40])

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Scene Reflections: Community, Gatekeeping, and Band Brackets ([29:02]–[34:00])

• Respond to criticism that the show isn’t “hardcore enough”:
  • "One of the most common themes in this show is my love for youth crew." ([29:37])
• Reflect on inclusivity and scene nostalgia:
  • “This subculture and community: I think I’m alive and me in a sense because of this.” ([37:20])
• Band bracket drama: omitters, representation, intent behind selections ([31:52], [33:20]).

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Listener Q&A Highlights ([34:00]–[65:44])

• Favorite horror movies: The Thing, Exorcist 1 & 3, Scream 2, Halloween OG, Abbott and Costello Meet Frankenstein ([52:07], [54:44])
• Fake bands in movies: Airheads’ Lone Rangers and Reagan Youth cover ([42:21])
• Playlists vs. albums: “Playlists are for discovery, albums are for life.” ([44:10])
• Mount Rushmore of Camo Patterns: “Duck tiger, Woodland classic, real tree.” ([64:52])
• Most surprising band each likes: Hundredth’s synth period for Bo, Colin supports some ICP tracks ([63:39], [64:11])
• Dream non-musician guest: Tony Hawk ([60:50])
• Songs you wish bands would play live: Battery by Metallica, Death Clock Ticking by TUI ([67:37])
• Food cities: Chicago, New York, San Diego, Austin, Las Vegas ([93:54])

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October/Horror-Themed Discussion ([52:07], [106:03])

• 31 for 31 horror movie challenge:
  • Colin lists watched films: The Conjuring: Last Rites, Tales of Halloween, Relic, Possession, Invasion of the Body Snatchers, Lake Mungo, Shelby Oaks, Audition, and OG Ring ([102:47]–[106:08]).
• Notable quote on horror’s pull:
  • “I love feeling scared. I’m dying to feel scared. Like a jump scare is the...drug to me.” ([106:33])
• Overrated/underrated horror icons: Jason (overrated by Colin), Leatherface (underrated by Bo) ([91:27]–[92:17])

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Scene News, Community, and Closing Thoughts ([81:18]–[110:54])

• Tribute to Mad Vintage’s Luke Madden:
  • “Met his dad and brother…they’re finishing all the commitments he made for every fest and everything…” ([81:18])
  • “If any of you have noticed, at the end, there’s a little stinger at the end of every episode, every week. Just for him…” ([83:17])
• Fest bubble: Reflect on over-saturation ("bubble has burst") with practical advice: keep shows affordable for young fans ([84:16])
• Straight Edge and inclusivity: Neither host judges non-edge folks: “That’s way more impressive to me…fighting every day to be sober…” ([77:54], [87:32])
• Relationship advice: “The best hobby to have is do you enjoy spending time together?” ([97:27])
• Represents the show’s sense of continuity and scene love: “Quality time is the greatest interest you can have.” ([97:32])

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Notable Quotes

• On meeting Body Count:
  “All of a sudden a door opened...He has us in. We say hello. We get the pic...They offered, like, some of their sodas and, you know, whatever, and it was nice.” ([15:03])
• On self-reflection in hardcore:
  “I, I, I'm beyond glad. I, I think I'm alive and, and me in a sense because of this subculture and community.” ([37:20])
• On how touring changes with age:
  “Back hurts. I think it’s hip stuff. I think it’s from sitting. It’s from sitting in the van and just being in this position.” ([08:46])
• On horror love:
  "I love feeling scared. I’m dying to feel scared. Like a jump scare is...a drug to me." ([106:33])
• Parodying critics of their scene knowledge:
  “What are you talking about? One of the most common themes in this show is my love for youth crew.” ([29:37])

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Memorable Segments

• [11:19] Riot Fest crowd “pandemonium” when James enters; “20,000 people watching us.”
• [13:46] Body Count soundchecking like it’s a real show, Ice-T as “conductor.”
• [26:54] Werewolf slot machine obsession and deep dive into classic monsters.
• [52:07, 54:44] Passionate, nuanced debates about best horror movies of all time.
• [83:17] Heartfelt memorial for Mad Vintage’s Luke Madden.

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Natural Flow & Recurring Themes

• Candid, self-aware humor about aging in hardcore/punk.
• Celebration of unlikely connections: cross-band camaraderie, helping young bands, mutual aid.
• Defending inclusive, open-minded scene values.
• Seamless alternation between outrageous anecdotes and heartfelt gratitude.

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Riot Fest/Chicago homecoming: [00:00, 09:33, 11:19]
• Tour stories, gear discussion, band relationships: [04:39–08:46]
• Furnace Fest/Casino show with Body Count/Lamb of God: [12:12–15:35]
• Scene/genre reflection, Q&A: [29:02–65:44]
• Tribute to Mad Vintage’s Luke: [81:18]
• 31 for 31 horror watchlist: [102:47–106:08]
• Relationship Q&A: [96:15]
• Closing scene, shout-outs, and Halloween edge day: [110:16–110:54]

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Tone & Language

• Tone is informal, irreverent, deeply insider (in-jokes, scene references).
• Language is natural, often profane, but also earnest and inclusive.
• Underlying theme: the value of belonging and mutual support in hardcore music and underground culture.

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If you’re not a regular listener, expect a heady mix of tour war stories, festival insights, scene philosophy, horror fandom, and affectionate jabs—plus a strong sense of community and the inside scoop of the punk/hardcore life.

Transcript

[A]

You played Riot Fest for the first time.

[B]

Yeah. And I do want to highlight this. Riot Fest was just a very sentimental thing for the band.

[A]

Was the crowd receptive of the Chicago aspect of the band?

[B]

Oh, yeah, We. You know, you could do one of those things when you're on. On a run where you could tell how the show is going to be by certain reactions. So, like, when Chris goes out to start the sample.

[A]

Oh, so you're like, oh, we're good, we're good.

[B]

And then I walked out and I did one of these, and it was. And I was like, okay. And then James walked out, and it was pandemonium.

[A]

Hello, welcome. It's hard Lore time. How you doing, Beau?

[B]

But my son returns. Right.

[A]

Be my beloved. Back in the chair.

[B]

I'm back, baby. 5. Everybody.

[A]

Everybody sees us every week in sequential order. So they don't know that these things are recorded way ahead of time. This. This is. It's Monday right now.

[B]

Monday.

[A]

You're hearing this three days later.

[B]

Yes, exactly. I had. The hilarious thing that happens is when people come up to me on Thursdays on tour and say, like, hey, I loved when you said this. And I'm like, what? That was weeks. I said that?

[A]

When was that?

[B]

It's crazy, man.

[A]

But we're back. Bo's back from his US tour. Harm's Way was just out with Deaf.

[B]

Heaven, and I Promise, I Promised the World was the opener. Deaf Heaven are lovely.

[A]

You'd never met him.

[B]

Never. We met briefly. I met George and his brother Liam very briefly at Sound and Fury this past year. And, like. And we knew we were touring together, so that was kind of like, oh, hey. But that was it. But you know what's funny is Sunbather came out when you and I were on tour together for the first time.

[A]

I vividly remember the day it came out because. Or not the day it came. The time frame.

[B]

The time frame because.

[A]

And I have a. I have a very specific anecdote about it. I was waiting in line with Mike Cesario. The. I believe the iPhone 5 was coming out.

[B]

Sure. Yeah, that sounds about right. Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

5, 6, 7. Somewhere in there, the good design.

[B]

The rectangle.

[A]

The good one. And Mike and I were waiting. We were like, should we just wait? We're in Minnesota. Should we wait in line at the Apple Store as you used to overnight?

[B]

Yep.

[A]

We were on the local news in Minnesota talking. Talking. We're from California. Waiting for the phone. Yeah. And then overnight, we saw them change the Apple Store wall decor around the new iPhone and the new iOS and it was when they. I think it was when Apple Music officially launched.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Which had that red orange gradient.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

And they picked a bunch of albums with red orange gradients to be featured on it. There's like eight things on the wall. The window of the Apple Store and Sunbather was on there.

[B]

Wow. So.

[A]

So I'm in my mind, I'm like, fuck this.

[B]

Yeah, of course. And they would say the same thing 100%. Yeah.

[A]

Like, yeah. So. But in reality, the back of my mind, I'm like, that's so cool. I'm so jealous. This record is going to be so huge. And then I listened to it and it was like, this record is going to be so.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

And it was like an instant modern classic.

[B]

So they're awesome. And Yeah, I remember. I remember like sitting next to you. I listened to this record the night we were in England and didn't have a place to stay. And some of us slept in the trailer. Here's a picture of that, which I. Which I do have. Wow, that was crazy. But I remember, listen. So it was. It was kind of funny because like 2013 was blinded for harm's way. So it was kind of like we're starting.

[A]

You know, my favorite.

[B]

Yeah, this is.

[A]

We got a new record. It's on Death Wish Records. It's called Blind.

[B]

Yeah, that was.

[A]

Song's called Blinded.

[B]

So it was cool. Kind of like we had never interfaced. So kind of getting to know them and being like, you know, they're. They're, I would say more popular than us, but we just had a similar trajectory of like same time we're really touring heavy and you know what I mean? And kind of. So that was cool.

[A]

Same label for.

[B]

Same label for a minute and just, you know. And yeah, they're awesome. All of them were really cool. Day one, it was like they're on Helix, like the line six stuff. And they were like, yeah, you want to check it out? You want to borrow it? Here. I could hook you up with the guy who like immediately. Very welcoming. Very cool. Everyone's really.

[A]

Did you try it?

[B]

Didn't try it. I'm quad. I'm quieted out, dude. I'm all quad. I'm quad head. I got you.

[A]

Were they asking you about the quad?

[B]

Yeah, a little bit. When you talk to people who are. They're gear guys. So talking gear with people like that is. It's your, your, your wizards out there. You're a wizard. Is never late, you know. Totally is here.

[A]

My dogs are watching Lord of the Rings in my bedroom as we speak.

[B]

Could you imagine what it's like? Huh?

[A]

It's. Dude. I mean it's always favorite show for one. It's the only thing that this is as this is happening every week. If my wife is not home, my dogs are in the bedroom watching Lord of the Rings.

[B]

So awesome. Zoe.

[A]

Only thing that gets them to stop.

[B]

Zoe resembles a wizard.

[A]

She's. She's. She's gray, you know. You know, she'll come back white when I inevitably clone her.

[B]

I promise. The world opened. These are the oldest ones, 22. These are little bitty babies.

[A]

If this wasn't my room, I would have spit taped it.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. They're young.

[A]

I like that. 22 year olds on the road, dude.

[B]

They're. And this was like their first. By their. By their words, in their words, their first real tour. They are managed by a friend of the show, Greg of the Mongoloids and as well Sal from Coyo.

[A]

As we discussed in the Greg episode. You agreed to let them use your backline in that episode that happened.

[B]

They sure did. And did they break anything? They did. Oh yeah. They broke a guitar. Used Nick's guitar for a while. Bass player, used Casey's stuff. We. We helped them out. But you know what?

[A]

Cool as. I mean, you know, that's what we're.

[B]

We were what We. We were the same way. You know, we were the same exact way. So they were cool. They're in. They're as niche as it gets in my opinion. They are 2002 emo metalcore, sideways white belt music. It's very interesting and like. But the thing is they know their shit. They know bands I've never heard of from that era.

[A]

I mean that's what it's all about.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That's why we're here today. Yeah. Is that we knew our little micro things in our little micro world.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

We care.

[B]

They.

[A]

I want bands that care.

[B]

I got.

[A]

I got their freaky stuff.

[B]

Just a couple like notes of what I wanted to talk about. So this tour was crazy. We did about 20000 miles on this van. 20, 000 miles to drive from Miami to Seattle is 3, 600 miles. So I just want to put that.

[A]

Miami to Seattle.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Is that the. Is that the farthest drive you can do in the country?

[B]

That was the farthest drive that Google showed me in America. So we did that about six times. So. Because the first week was like go, go out to kind of the Carolinas and then back to Milwaukee and then it Was go out to, like, Tennessee area and then back for Riot Fest. So we just did a bunch of this, right. Riots.

[A]

Was it all the same tour?

[B]

Yeah. Yep. We just missed some dates. And of course, they was, like, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Connecticut.

[A]

Oh, my God. You've really been gone that long?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. How you doing? You. You got. And then I don't think people understand. You got home about two hours.

[B]

Yeah, I got home, opened some mail, showered. Here I am. I'm doing good. My. I'm going through some serious back issues. I've been feeling okay lately. I've been stretching by going forward. Right. Touching my toes and stuff. Found out no good. This is bad for the back, this one. You got to go hyper extend. You got to go backwards, which is kind of difficult to do, but whatever.

[A]

Dead hang, dude.

[B]

If I. If I see a structure.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

That I think could support about 200 soaking wet, I'm on there.

[A]

How long you dead hanging when you're hanging?

[B]

30 seconds.

[A]

Yeah, that's when it's just like, my hands hurt.

[B]

Yeah, it's your hands. If I had straps, it'd be all day, you know, all day. But, yeah. Back hurts. I think it's hip stuff. I think it's from sitting. It's from sitting in the van and just being in this position.

[A]

We're not what we once were.

[B]

No.

[A]

You know.

[B]

No, no, no.

[A]

I haven't even mentioned your beautiful beard.

[B]

Oh, thank you. What do we think?

[A]

You go.

[B]

I think once this connects here. Once this connects.

[A]

Yeah, it's coming.

[B]

And then once the flavor saver grows out a little bit, I think I'll be all right.

[A]

Disgusting.

[B]

It's really gross, but I think I'm almost there. The neck.

[A]

You're doing great.

[B]

This is as thick as can be. It's pathetic.

[A]

That's how it goes, though.

[B]

It's unreal or very orish. Yeah. They got grays in here, and it's crazy.

[A]

We're neck first. That's. That's how it goes. Okay. So you did a lot of driving. You got home today. You have a beard.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You played Riot Fest for the first time.

[B]

Yeah. And I do want to highlight this. Riot Fest was just a very sentimental thing for the band.

[A]

I wish I was there.

[B]

I wish you were, too. We weren't. We were in Chicago for less than 24 hours. All in. You know what I mean? Like, we. We went to the fest that day and then left from the fest to go to Minneapolis. Like, we didn't go home, so that sucked. But Riot Fest was really cool. Everything we asked for, we got as far as, like getting my mom in, getting Taylor in, you know, anybody. Anything we. We asked for was provided. Everyone there was cool shout out to Mo, who was just always the best, and everybody involved with that. We really had a great time playing. It really felt like. Like finally. You know what I mean? That's. That's what it felt like. And it. It was really good. Knock Loose watched us from start to finish. All. All of them, every single one of their crew and band watched us on the side of the stage because they're the best. A lot of friends. My mom saw the whole thing. I did Pete Townsend for my mom.

[A]

Yeah, you got it.

[B]

That was very important to me. Yeah. And it was really cool. I think there was. I think there was like the crowd.

[A]

Receptive of the Chicago aspect of the band.

[B]

Dude.

[A]

Like, were they aware?

[B]

Oh, yeah. So the. The way we did this set was there's like a little. A sampled intro playing, and then we play a little intro that we made up. Then James comes out during the intro of. It's. It goes intro, intro, intro, but human carrying capacity starts and that's when James comes out and like, we. You know, you could do one of those things when you're on. On a run where you could tell how the show is going to be by certain reactions. Yeah. Like when someone walks out. So, like when Chris goes out to start the sample.

[A]

Oh, so you're like, oh, we're good, we're good.

[B]

And then I walked out and I did one of these and it was. And I was like, okay. And then James walked out and it was pandemonium.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

So that was cool. The crowd was receptive. I think there was about 20,000 people watching us.

[A]

Was Lori Lightfoot there?

[B]

She was not. She's no longer the mayor.

[A]

What was she there? I mean, she may have been there.

[B]

Dude, the fucking. What was she? The Rona Killer. Remember that, dude, for Halloween, she was the Rona Killer.

[A]

She's one of the funniest people to ever exist.

[B]

I hate her.

[A]

Did the picture of her with the beers after losing. Wasn't that immediate after losing?

[B]

Yeah, it was like night of. So crazy.

[A]

She is. If I. I hope she does stand up and just goes out and goes.

[B]

I tried. Yeah.

[A]

So I hope she was there. That's good.

[B]

Rye Fest was dope. We got out of there, went to just north of Minneapolis to play a casino show with a little band called I Hate or I Hate God. Lamb of God. Nice and count.

[A]

How was that? You met My man Ice man, you legit. You live my dream.

[B]

So we get there, it's an amphitheater at a casino.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

We load in, do everything. Catering's fine. Go into the casino, lose money, immediately run into Randy, say hello. That was nice. Somebody ran into us in the casino. Was like, hey, are you guys Harm's Way? We're like, yeah, you know, hey, how's it going? Are you here for the show? And they were like, what show? Pure coincidence. They're just at this casino with you? No, they. They were like, oh, no, we can't go. We have to. We're leaving. They were just at the casino. We were like, what guest list? You. We don't know anybody.

[A]

Pretty cool.

[B]

Yeah, pretty cool. Got. Yeah, so that was cool.

[A]

And then was that show cool?

[B]

Show is incredible. If we, if we did a tour with Lamb of God, I, I, we'd be millionaires. I, I really think that that Harm's.

[A]

Way Casino run, dude.

[B]

Maybe not millionaires after it, but, you know.

[A]

Yeah. Right.

[B]

Lamb of God's whole crew. Really cool. I met Willie, said hello to Randy. Everyone else was very nice. Body Count is unbelievable, dude. Yeah, dude. They sound. I have to talk. You're gonna love this. They sound checked. And, and, like, there are videos of, like, Pearl Jam back in the day where, like, Eddie Vedders, like, jumping off speaker stacks during sound check. Like, he's going nuts. That's what Body Count's doing.

[A]

They're going ham.

[B]

They're going. They're going all out. Because it's like, this is like, dress rehearsal. Oh, think about it. So they're going all out, but, like, not in, like, a whack way. They're like. They're really. They're just. They're into it. They're playing. And everyone except Ice Tea, because Ice Tea is kind of directing stuff. Yeah, he's kind of, like, turned this conductor for real.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

He's involved. It's not just, like, set up.

[A]

You would never know. That's just not how that world works.

[B]

Not. No, dude. So then show happens. Our set went great, Had a great time. Hope to do it again. They start playing. They open with the intro, Body Count. Then they played Raining Blood into Postmortem.

[A]

Like, in its. In their entirety.

[B]

In their entirety, all the way through. And then they play There Goes the Neighborhood. Like, that's. That's the opening rock block of Body Count. And it was awesome. Dude.

[A]

That's so cool.

[B]

All of a marine, full body count gear. All of it, like, all the way. The little Ice. Ice. T's son who's in the band is wearing a harm's way shirt because he. He rocks, you know, like, they're really cool. We obviously wanted to meet him. I sent a text to friend of the show, Will Putney. Thank you, Will.

[A]

He.

[B]

All of a sudden a door opened and there was one of the body count guys in like the. A baseball jacket goes young gentleman. And he has us in. We say hello. We get the pick. Everything was really cool. So awesome there. You know, we didn't overstay. It was just one of those things where it was like, hey, really nice to meet you. Thank you guys for being so cool. They offered, like, some of their sodas and, you know, whatever, and it was nice. And then we got the hell out of there. When had to go back to Chicago because we were on our way to wherever the fuck. I don't even remember.

[A]

I saw a tweet of ISIS the other day.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Which is, you know, I see one every day at this point. It's my. I live by them. But there's one where some guy was like, something along the lines of, like, ice, you pioneered both hip hop and nu metal.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And he's like, what's nu metal?

[B]

What's that?

[A]

And they try to explain to him what, you know, how he's involved with nu metal. And he says, I always thought of us more like New York hardcore.

[B]

I saw the same thing. And to see him say NYHC was just like, all right. He get. He is the man. He gets it.

[A]

He rules. He rules. Just a cool guy.

[B]

So that was awesome. We got back on the tour, met up with them again. I forget where along. This time we don't have to get totally into it because I know this will be explosive. We saw one battle after another. We really liked it. Had a great time. Had a great time. Want to see it again?

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Had a great time. I don't. I didn't love.

[A]

I want to spoil stuff.

[B]

No, of course not. I didn't love it as much as some. As most, it seems. However, want to see it again. Really enjoyed it.

[A]

I think you wanting to see it again is proof.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That there's something in there that you'll like more later.

[B]

Dude, I.

[A]

You are King Grower.

[B]

Respectfully, believe me, as.

[A]

As we say. As I say.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

All the time.

[B]

Did you finish Eddington yet?

[A]

No, not yet.

[B]

You got to finish it. Yeah. Stuff does grow on me for sure. And. And I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm willing.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

I'm Willing.

[A]

I.

[B]

You know what I mean?

[A]

Yeah. No, of course. During one battle after another. I don't. I'm not gonna spoil anything. I'm not gonna get into the story or anything.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

I saw in VistaVision at the Vista. Like it's true. Like it's purest form. So beautiful. I. I had such. I was getting emotional at like mundane. Whenever they would show like nothingness.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

I would just revel in like that looks so. I haven't seen something like this. A new thing like this maybe ever.

[B]

There's.

[A]

It's the most beautiful.

[B]

Oh, dude.

[A]

Viewing experience I've ever had.

[B]

There's a shot where main antagonist meets up with Bounty Hunter and they're in the canyon and that was just like, holy, this looks crazy. Yeah, yeah, it's awesome. So we had a great time. I just want. I want to set the record straight. We had a great time.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

I just. James and I got. James and I do most of the driving. I drive at night. At night we get into the discussion of okay. In our minds, a five star movie is like a perf. Something you wouldn't change. Let's just say for the sake of argument, that's what it means. Right. So then it's like, okay, what's a movie where there's like not one thing you would change, you know, or that you were like, yeah, okay, I'm not crazy about.

[A]

Yeah. But dude, even, even, like I know a perfect movie to you is Once Upon a Time in Hollywood.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I know you didn't think that the first time you saw it.

[B]

No, I definitely didn't. Definitely didn't.

[A]

And this, this movie gave me the same feeling as the Departed and Once Upon a Time in Hollywood did. The first time I saw them was like, this is unbelievable. What I'm seeing is unbelievable. You know, every second of this is. Is intentional.

[B]

And I would probably get Once Upon a Time in Hollywood just shy of five because the ending is a little wacky, just not perfect. It's just maybe something I would change. Whereas the Godfather, it's like I'm not changing a scene in that.

[A]

We've had 50 years to true ruminate on.

[B]

Hey, you know, good point.

[A]

Takes time.

[B]

Good point. Great point. Great point. I'm open. I'm willing to.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Anyway, my back is exploding. Oh, dude. We played a town called Bentonville, Arkansas. You ever been to Bentonville?

[A]

You know damn well I've never been to no damn Bentonville, Arkansas.

[B]

It is the headquarters of Walmart.

[A]

Oh, so the town itself is Walmart.

[B]

Colin, the town feels like BioShock 3.

[A]

Just impending doom.

[B]

It feels like Americana.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And like at what cost that when the Saints Come Marching in. But then there's something. Dude, there's something going on.

[A]

It's like the Peacemaker. Have you watched Peacemaker?

[B]

I haven't. I would like to. I've heard great things.

[A]

Sounds like that. Dude, there's a dark secret.

[B]

That's what it felt like.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

It's. It's nice.

[A]

Everybody's held at gunpoint by Walmart. Dude, smile.

[B]

Yes. So there was like a. A gym spa that we got access to for playing this venue that was owned in part by Walmart and rode microphones.

[A]

What?

[B]

Yeah. So I went to this spa and there's like steam room, robes, jacuzzi, free drinks, whatever the. And then it was like, have a good one. And it just. I won't. It felt weird, man. It was so strange. So anybody around there? And that's the other thing. No one lives there.

[A]

Oh, so it's not like a Fort Wayne Sweetwater situation where everyone lives there. Well, so everyone loves it.

[B]

Everyone has to commute in. So then some chaos.

[A]

Big events on the tour. Yeah.

[B]

Then chaos begins. We have to fly from San Jose to Furnace Fest, Birmingham.

[A]

Oh, yes, yes.

[B]

Our van has to get from San Jose to Fort Collins.

[A]

So is that Colorado?

[B]

Yes, sir. Just north of Denver. So the homie Jared La zone sto, sir. That's it.

[A]

Oh yeah.

[B]

He drove it for us. Got it there. Safe and sound. Even put on the trailer lock, which James really appreciated. Got it there. 818. Got it there. No problem. We. We were at Furnace fest for like 20. Dude. We have been using.

[A]

Tell me about Furnace Fest.

[B]

Yeah, we've been using Priceline for 14 years. 14 years. Okay. Have maybe had can count on two hands. The amount of problems. We're talking thousands of reservations.

[A]

I don't trust him. I'm not. Never. We get to the Shatner's full of.

[B]

We. We get to the Sheridan in Birmingham and we. Because the lady who's just the least helpful person I've ever experienced tells us that, oh, Priceline hasn't given us the money and we can't take your card because it's going to double charge or something, whatever. So you're going to have to call them. We waited in the lobby at midnight for two hours to get into this after having a flight with two layovers. We flew southwest for some God knows reason.

[A]

Dude, never do that. This is. This is strike five.

[B]

Yeah. Never fly southwest. I hope that Company burns.

[A]

Just give me a second. It's crazy that they haven't, you know.

[B]

And now the luggage isn't free. So what's the benefit?

[A]

Yeah, there's nothing.

[B]

Give me a number.

[A]

Spirit. It's. It's worse than spirit. You don't get a seat design.

[B]

It's insane, dude. So I. So we're. We're not feeling great, but Furnace Fest was cool. Like it was one of those things where loading in was a nightmare. You remember when we were there?

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Same thing. But now you have gear.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know, big.

[A]

Those. The fest with the big, big plots of land that you gotta navigate without being able to drive into and no.

[B]

One knows what's going on. And like some security guy who got hired for the weekend, he doesn't know.

[A]

You know, he doesn't give a.

[B]

So.

[A]

But set was good.

[B]

Set was really good. Haywire. Of course.

[A]

Yeah, Haywire. Are gonna such case.

[B]

I. I think are going to be a look back upon at this time with like appropriate rose colored glasses. Like just the craziest. Like. Wow, they really did that, huh?

[A]

They are the exception and the rule. Yeah.

[B]

Yeah, very well said. They just had a crazy set and I think Gridiron had to play right after. I was walking up the ramp after they finished, I saw Carl and he was like, fuck man. Yeah, just funny. But they had a good set to. Everybody was cool. It went U.S. biohazard Foundation. That was kind of crazy. You know, the whole.

[A]

The Furnace Fest lineup and time slots.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Appeared to have been generated by AI.

[B]

Yeah. It was a little wacky. Converge and Terror played like the main stage, not the shed stage. Knock Loose headlined it. They had to start like 45 minutes late because a barricade broke or something. So that away from them to fix it. Just a whole, you know, whole thing. But all in all it was in, in and out.

[A]

How was Biohazard?

[B]

Biohazard was sick. They played. It was literally like I missed what they opened with. But then it was shades of gray, wrong side of the track into urban discipline. Yeah. And it was awesome. Something.

[A]

I need to see it.

[B]

Something happened with your man though. He had to replace his pedal. Had to get swapped out mid song. Like rough.

[A]

Never. Never fun.

[B]

Never fun.

[A]

No, no.

[B]

But they had. They had crew. You know what was sick? Their backline, all the back of the cabs. It was like sworn enemy Biohazard bulldoze. Just cool. Like.

[A]

Oh, that's awesome.

[B]

Yeah. This has been in the biohazard.

[A]

One in particular.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, their backline, the biohazard backline. They brought all their own and it had stencils and on the back. And that was.

[A]

That's cool.

[B]

That was pretty sick. Bobby watched Haywire, which was cool. Yeah, yeah, it was just cool. But again, it was a blur. In and out and so we flew back to Colorado, Fort Collins. Then we.

[A]

Overall good day.

[B]

Definitely. Definitely good day.

[A]

Crazy demographic at Furnace Fest. You know, the like Christian guy who hasn't heard music since 2006.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

A lot of young people keeping it popping and fresh, you know, a lot of young. Like the Haywire videos I see are like young people exploding.

[B]

Absolutely. And it's awesome, you know? Yeah, it's really cool.

[A]

Foundation set look. Crazy.

[B]

Look, this foundation set was awesome. Foundation set was like fy ask and.

[A]

They had to close. So that's scary.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

You were not there for like Jimmy World, right?

[B]

Correct. I was only there. This.

[A]

So curious how that was.

[B]

I know.

[A]

If you're. If you're watching this and you're at Furnace Fest, please tell me how. Jimmy Eat World.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

A band I love.

[B]

Yeah, same.

[A]

I. I've thoroughly celebrate the discog. Tell me how it was. Please tell us below.

[B]

Yeah, I think friend of the show, Kelsey, red hair, she saw him. She was there. I think she said it was dope. Okay. Saw. Went into the monster trailer. No particular reason.

[A]

Nice. Yeah. Yum.

[B]

But yeah, it was in and out. And then we were back on the tour. We were in Colorado, had two weeks left. Played a bunch of wacky ass places. Played Bloomington, Illinois. Played Davenport, Iowa.

[A]

Hey.

[B]

Hey. You know, it was. It was a B market. B and C market for sure.

[A]

Sure.

[B]

That's good one.

[A]

Those. Those are. They're hungry.

[B]

One great thing. Deaf Heaven loves to gamble.

[A]

Oh.

[B]

So there's a lot of ceelo happening. A lot of dice. And that was good. That was a lot of fun. They won the last. The big roll last night as everyone was leaving. They won. Yeah. Taking money from the kids. You kidding?

[A]

Up, man up.

[B]

But yeah, overall rigged it. Yeah, I know. Yeah, we use their dice too. It's airloaded. One more thing before we move on. Colin. There is a new slot machine that I'm just. I'm over the moon.

[A]

Werewolves.

[B]

Werewolf, dude. Wow, the werewolf machine.

[A]

October has really arrived, dude.

[B]

At one point, James, of course James is like you where he like watches stuff. He knows stuff. Chris and I are just kind of there and we pooled our money. Something happens to James, he goes, oh yeah, Werewolf's been and like gives us his fist upon it. We're like, what are you talking about, dude. But the bonus is rocked. The game rocks. And it's one of those ones where he's holding coins and then each time a coin shows up, it goes and you're waiting progression.

[A]

Yeah, it's all.

[B]

It's all. I know. But we got him to pop a couple times, you know, so it's good. It's great.

[A]

It's got to be part of the Dracula Frankenstein.

[B]

Yeah. But you know, weird. It's not Wolfman, it's werewolf. Yeah, maybe you would think it would be Wolf Man. Right? Who is my favorite monster? What was your favorite classic monster?

[A]

Dracula.

[B]

Drac.

[A]

Oh yeah.

[B]

Big D. Yeah.

[A]

Cuz like Frankenstein. If I. If I see Frankenstein somewhere, I'm running for the hills. Wolf Man. I'm dead.

[B]

Yeah, he's got you. Yeah.

[A]

Dracula. I don't think that would be a big deal. I think if tomorrow the news was like breaking news out of Transylvania today, like Dracula is real. I think we'd be like, wow, that's awesome.

[B]

True. Yeah.

[A]

Like we could use his blood to. To probably for some medical.

[B]

For something cool. Yeah, yeah.

[A]

Invisible Man. No, no.

[B]

Mummy.

[A]

Hell no.

[B]

Creature from the Black Lagoon. Don't even know what he is.

[A]

No creature. Yeah, he's just a creature. There's only one of him. What are we going to do with that? Kill.

[B]

Yeah, I think you're right. I'm a wolfman guy myself. But have you.

[A]

I mean, listen.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Hey, Wolf Moon, you know. Yeah, I'm with you. I'm. How.

[B]

Have you seen Abbott and Costello meet Frankenstein?

[A]

Yeah, of course.

[B]

That is one of my favorite like old movies. My dad always watch it. It's awesome.

[A]

It could happen. You never know.

[B]

That's us.

[A]

But if it was Colin and Bo meet Dracula, I think it would go well. Anyway.

[B]

Anyway.

[A]

You've been gone for so long. You're finally back. We had our big two part Davey Havoc thing.

[B]

Dude. Every other show got compliments about the episode. I mean it was. People are watching.

[A]

Yeah, it's awesome. I mean we. We knew that day was like. Oh damn. This is really good. The. The unfortunate part of things being successful and seeing and seen by. By many is that the idiots find it.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

Like the. Everything's great. Aside from the idiot.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. I read an annoying comment that we are essentially a. Because we don't talk about hardcore that much and it's just like.

[A]

What are you talking.

[B]

What are you talking about? One of the most common themes in this show is my love for like youth crew.

[A]

Yeah, that's. That's just not true.

[B]

It's just people who do heard us talk about Marauder a couple times.

[A]

We've probably had like five metal guests. Total.

[B]

Total history. Absolutely.

[A]

Everybody else is from. Come on. Shut up. The Vegan straight. The comments on the Vegan straight Edge Real is like. It's. It's. It's many of the dumbest people in the world together in one place. They can't. Like. Like he's addressing us in the vegan part. Yes.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

And we made the clip like we recognized. Yeah. He's saying some. Some valid stuff. This is. This is good.

[B]

It was.

[A]

We made that. It's funny at our expense.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

We wanted that. And they're like, this guy is so pretentious. He's not pretentious.

[B]

He actually wasn't at all. Not at all. He apologized for it.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

He later on was like, sorry about the vegan. I hope you guys don't mind. We were like, you kidding? That was gone. Please get us. Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

It's just insane that, like, people can't. There were people in the. In the comments. Call it. They were like, actually, recreational drugs are counterculture. They're counterculture. If you're not part of culture, you know.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

You have no community or culture. Yeah. Recreational drugs are counterculture. But that's the norm. Yeah.

[B]

Right.

[A]

The president is doing recreational drugs right now somewhere.

[B]

I don't know. We don't need to get too deep into it. But I do think it's. It's. People don't like hearing their own decisions getting called out in a negative way.

[A]

100.

[B]

So it's an insecurity thing. And it's like, hey, we're on this thing. It's you and me. We're fine. You can relax. You can continue eating whatever you want. It's fine. No one's telling you anything.

[A]

It's like us as meat eaters. Hear what he's saying. Go. Yeah.

[B]

Good point about that.

[A]

You're probably going to outlive me.

[B]

Yeah. I get it. I got it.

[A]

We did the brackets last week. That was. That was wild. That was a wild one.

[B]

That was a tumultuous one.

[A]

A lot of what's funny is in the episode. It's the least tumultuous we've ever.

[B]

I know. I know it. Let's. Let's get some of the omissions out of the way.

[A]

Indecision.

[B]

Indecision was a big one.

[A]

His hero is gone.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Los Crudos.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. All the spaz. Charles Bronson. Kudos. Like all that's up even Limp Wrist, for, you know, for visibility sake.

[A]

Of course.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But top 32 all time, you know.

[B]

And like, look, guys, you tell.

[A]

You're telling me shy halluc. Top 32 bands from 1990 to 2000 and 20.

[B]

Just.

[A]

You're being. You're telling me. You're asking me, where is Zayo? They're at church. They're not in my bracket, you know.

[B]

Gotta move on and Converge. I wish people would just listen to the episode and said, you know, guys.

[A]

And you look at the amount. 600,000 people saw the bracket.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Whereas about 40,000 people watched it. You know, it's not gonna. It's never going to balance out. And that's fine.

[B]

It's. We're not. If we were going by dates, it would be boring and strict and sterile. We're going by when someone. When a. A band establishes themselves as a thing.

[A]

And also we're looking at this retroactively. You know, it's not because, like, yeah, Adamantium drew more people than fucking kickback in America at the time, but time has made one timeless and not the other. You know, that's just how that works. It takes time to establish what is great.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

To all, rather than just, oh, this band was more popular at this time.

[B]

Very well said.

[A]

Just a different perspective. It's an objective third. It is subjective. It's an objective, subjective perspective.

[B]

Yeah. And we're also. We're trying to cut like, we had 10 yard fight on there. We're trying to cover a lot of bases.

[A]

Yeah. And people being like, why is Bastron here? They don't fit. Because I want. We want a Japanese band on there to represent a whole side of the world.

[B]

Crazy loco.

[A]

It's fun. We get to have fun.

[B]

We get to have fun at the.

[A]

End of the day.

[B]

All right.

[A]

I guess we have a couple of things that people want us to talk about. So we'll see what. See what they've left us. Metalcore bracket incoming at some point.

[B]

Is this on the Patreon?

[A]

This is Patreon. So. Which you can all subscribe to. And then you get to ask us whatever you want, whenever you want to.

[B]

And you get stuff early.

[A]

Hello. Oh, the Streets of Hate comp just came out. Representing hardcore.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Crazy comp. We got Head Bus on there. Sin against Sins on there. Discontent, I believe the band is called, which the Discontent song is the worst recording I have ever heard. Which makes it awesome. Like, the recording is so bad that it made me feel like the Taste of the Steel demo once Made me feel as a teenager, cool. And it like the. It's crazy and it makes it awesome. I really like it. There's two new Dead Body songs on there.

[B]

Hell yeah.

[A]

One is a original song, one is a Death Threat cover. That was fun.

[B]

Hell yeah.

[A]

Somebody asked if we will play them live soon at some point. Yes, of course.

[B]

Also listen to the C4 record. It rocks. The song, it's something predition. That's that. And the first song. Those are my songs.

[A]

I've listened to the C4 record probably five times a day since it came out.

[B]

It's your five a day.

[A]

It's my five a day. It's unbelievable. It's really hardcore and it's in its greatest, purest form.

[B]

Really good.

[A]

Really can't believe the thing.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Listen to it a lot. Hope you all like it.

[B]

Also, the. The new Segway Sugar Bog is out. Rocks.

[A]

Crazy, man.

[B]

Sounds great record with Kurt.

[A]

So it sounds perfect.

[B]

And. But you know what, And I mean this non derogatory in any way. It doesn't sound like a Kurt Blue recording. It sounds very different, but it fits really, really, really well. Fits really well. We listened to it today. I thought it sounded great.

[A]

Yeah, they still got it, baby.

[B]

They got it. The Bog.

[A]

Giles Corey, famous from Salem, asks, do you ever reflect upon your time in this subculture and imagine it without those critical early moments that became you, that made you become a lifer? I reflect. What makes me think about this is when people get into hardcore in their late 20s and 30s, you know, okay. It's when it's like, how did you. What did you have?

[B]

Yeah, what.

[A]

Obviously I've said this before.

[B]

Was it college?

[A]

I guess just like. I can't imagine without this, without hardcore music and what has done for me and all the bands I played in and all that stuff. I don't know what, like, especially without Straight Edge. Dead man. I'm addicted to everything I do.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know, drinking soda, going to the gym, you know, eating. Everything I do is. I develop an addictive, habitual way of doing.

[B]

Sure. Yeah.

[A]

So if I had. If I had a reason to try drugs as a teenager. And again, that's another one of those things that people talk about in the Davey thing is like, you don't need straight edge as a. As a teenager. You. Absolutely. I absolutely do.

[B]

That is one of my least favorite. It's akin to the like. Yeah, you're not even old enough to drink. Well, it's like, dude, yeah.

[A]

And you. You will never have more pressure to do it. At that time. So I'm so glad.

[B]

So true.

[A]

I, I, I'm beyond glad. I, I think I'm alive and, and me in a sense because of this subculture and community.

[B]

Definitely both of those things. I also like and I'm sure you can relate to this, like have traveled the world and, and survive with all of my best friends, like you included. Like that's, it's all one thing, so. Yeah.

[A]

And what other circumstance exactly would that be?

[B]

It doesn't. My co workers are my best friends, you know. Yeah. It's awesome. So. Yeah, I think about that for sure. Try not to take it for granted. Try not to think about it too much. Yeah.

[A]

I don't think we can take it for granted. You know, this is our job. Yeah.

[B]

Yeah, true.

[A]

We get to talk about Converge or we get to talk about Cold As Life versus afi. Awesome.

[B]

When are you guys gonna have Ethel Kane on Hard Lore?

[A]

Hey, I've asked. Yeah, I'm, I'm honestly waiting on the, on a response. But I have asked, so anytime she.

[B]

Wants while the ball's in her court, we'll be there.

[A]

And I'm dying for it. Hopefully she dunks it. Jeremy Bohm episode When so soon. What is the definitive Blood for Blood album? I think it Spit My Last Breath.

[B]

Right.

[A]

I think it is what it, what it achieves even with, with how simplistic it is. There's songs with two notes in them and I'll kill myself on the spot.

[B]

Right.

[A]

You know.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

From agreeing like, yes, Rob, let's do it.

[B]

Because you know what's crazy? There's a thing called two chord songs. Right. Horse with no Name. Horse with no Name is a two chord song. America, which is one of my new fixations, by the way. The band that's considered among like songwriters and harmony writers, like the penultimate achievement to be able to do that because you're building melody. That's all you're doing.

[A]

Sure.

[B]

So for Blood. For Blood. For Blood. To be able to do that.

[A]

Waiting for the moment. Two chord song. Aside from the Nightmare on Elm street intro, you know, after that it's too.

[B]

That's awesome.

[A]

Incredible.

[B]

That's.

[A]

Oh, one.

[B]

Yeah. Right? Yeah. That's fucking cool.

[A]

Even better.

[B]

That's very cool.

[A]

So I would say spit my last breath.

[B]

Did you have a favorite snack growing up?

[A]

Snack?

[B]

Yeah. What were you coming home from school and you were like, I can't wait to get into this.

[A]

Yeah, I had one. Well, the cheez it of first and foremost is like I to. To this day, like if I'm going to the store.

[B]

I'll have.

[A]

I'm not leaving without a box of cheeses.

[B]

Do you have a particular one?

[A]

Hot and spicy.

[B]

Hot and spicy.

[A]

I remember the day it came out. Changed everything but my meal snack. I would starve all day on purpose so that I could get home and eat two Red Baron deep dish pizzas.

[B]

Oh, baby.

[A]

With the cube pepperonis. The little cubes?

[B]

Yeah. Microwave or oven?

[A]

I ain't using the oven. I don't have time. I'm starving.

[B]

I got six minutes flat.

[A]

I ate one. I would eat one while the other one was cooking. And it was the one where you flip the tray upside down. Silver things there.

[B]

I know exactly.

[A]

The broiler tray.

[B]

Wow, that's great.

[A]

Every day.

[B]

Mine, we were a Little Debbie household.

[A]

Oh, yeah. I mean, dude, I don't know if we've ever talked about that.

[B]

That's what I'm saying.

[A]

You ever freeze a zebra cake?

[B]

Yeah, I've frozen the zebra cake, dude. They're out. Dude, zebra cakes are kind of.

[A]

It's the best one.

[B]

I. I agree. They're Taylor's favorite at the moment, so she gets them a lot. And I'll get a little nibble on that.

[A]

You have to freeze them. If you're listening to this, put them in the freezer, please.

[B]

So my mom always liked the fudge rounds. Little Debbie's. Do you know what those are? The. Yeah, with the like chocolate drizzle on the top.

[A]

Of course.

[B]

So those are always around. Cosmic brownies. Always around.

[A]

I'm not a cosmic brownie guy.

[B]

Neither am I. But they were always around.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Nutty buddies. Or the. The peanut butter wafer guys were always around. And zebra cakes.

[A]

Zebra cakes. And ho ho my.

[B]

And Swiss cake rolls. The rolls.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Yes. Was that a ho ho zebra cake?

[A]

To me, yeah, it's the same thing. Zebra cake to me is the. The pinnacle of plastic wrapped grocery store sweet treat.

[B]

It's also kind of. Okay, this is. This is fat kid talk. But if you buy like a. The, the double. The pair of like Twinkies from a gas station, they don't taste right.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

They got to be single wrapped in the box. That's when they taste right. The zebra cake, even the jumbo one tastes. The big one tastes great. It doesn't change. And that's. It's important to me. Also. I. Oatmeal cream pies, dude.

[A]

Yeah. I was never a big oatmeal guy.

[B]

But honey, I shrunk. The kids, they eat it. And I was.

[A]

Dude, it looks so good. The fake marshmallow.

[B]

Yes. Anti.

[A]

Dude, what do we think is the greatest fake band in the history of film or tv?

[B]

Great question.

[A]

It would have to be the Lone Rangers, right?

[B]

Dude. Yeah. Johnny down on a Friday night Johnny can't read. Johnny can't read.

[A]

John I can't Ride.

[B]

Isn't that a. That's a cover, isn't it?

[A]

Yeah, it's something.

[B]

It's not Reagan Youth, is it? Is it?

[A]

It's Reagan Youth.

[B]

It's Reagan Youth. Yeah.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Pretty cool, that.

[A]

Pretty.

[B]

The whole time they're covering Reagan Youth.

[A]

Reagan Youth.

[B]

I think Airheads doesn't get enough flowers. I think that that movie is so cool. Lemmy's in it. Chris Farley's in it.

[A]

Yeah. Obituary is in it.

[B]

Doing a sticker, I think. Infest. I think there's an infest.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

There's all kinds of David Arquette, Brendan.

[B]

Frazier, Steve Buscemi, Adam Sandler.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Pip farting on a snare drum.

[A]

Snares farting on the snare drum won't do it. Great.

[B]

Love that movie.

[A]

People gotta understand, like, Naked Gun just came out, right?

[B]

Mm.

[A]

Didn't. I think it did okay in theaters. If you go see these movies in theaters, they'll make more of them.

[B]

Totally.

[A]

That's how it works.

[B]

How is. How is one Battle after another doing box office?

[A]

I think it's recouped.

[B]

So that's good, right? Yeah.

[A]

I mean, dude, every IMAX showing is sold out here. Every single one. So that, I mean, I think it's just like, if it's in more screens, it'll sell out, but now it's Tron. Aries is. That's the place.

[B]

The new guy, they're showing it at the Music Box here in Chicago in 70. Mm. I'd like to take Taylor.

[A]

You should do that.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Big Sean. Pen Big. How often do you put on a playlist you made as opposed to listening to a full album? Oh, I, I. There's a. I think playlists. The purpose of playlists to me are, let me show you something.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Let me put you on after that. Get the album. I think if that, like, when you talk to a normal person, they're like, oh, I can't wait to put this on my playlist.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, you have a list of a hundred. The hundred songs you've heard.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Fathom that.

[B]

I fully agree. I'm a. I'm a record guy. I'm an album guy. But I do agree that when I don't know what to listen to, I'LL go to my. For you Spotify. Like, sure. Here's what's new or whatever the fuck they call it.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And I end up finding something.

[A]

It's for discovery. Playlists are for discovery only, not for recreation.

[B]

And that's also not necessarily a generated thing. That's like. Like I've made Bjork playlists or Alkaline Trio playlists for people. I want you to.

[A]

You're putting them on. Okay, now you like the song. The album's good too. Yes, that's why I'm putting you on. Precisely.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

They're for. They're for discovery.

[B]

But, God, there's so much, guys, so much. The idea of, like, only putting out three songs because that's what playlists are going to.

[A]

Ever have you.

[B]

That Gucci Mane put out a record recently that had 80 songs.

[A]

That's what's up.

[B]

Think about that.

[A]

That's what's up. I wish I could do that.

[B]

80.

[A]

I wish I had 80 in me. I wish I had 80 guys I could call and go, hey, send me a beat.

[B]

Yeah, I got.

[A]

I can write, do some shit.

[B]

I got to talk about something.

[A]

Beats kill me, dude. Producers just, like, they just say, hey, send me some beats. AKA send me some finished entire songs that I can just have. What a world. Luke said, please talk about one battle after another. And Night Patrol.

[B]

Oh, yeah, talk about please. That was your big thing while I was gone as well?

[A]

Yeah, you were gone. I went to. I went to the actual premiere and the LA premiere of Night Patrol, which is a movie I'm in coming up. Seen it twice now. Gets better every time. They didn't cut any of my stuff.

[B]

I've read the script.

[A]

You have read the script? Bornelius in there?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I'm in that thing. It's crazy. It's really weird.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Every time you see me, you're like, what's he doing there?

[B]

How. How. How many minutes of screen time do you think you got, dude?

[A]

Like, honestly, like four or five probably.

[B]

Pretty sick.

[A]

Pretty sick, dude. I'm in there. I'm scattered throughout the thing.

[B]

You and the homie punk Phil.

[A]

Me and the homie punk Phil. Just straight up night patrolling together.

[B]

It's awesome.

[A]

It's crazy. There's going to be like, once some people get a hold of this movie.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

Once my enemies get a hold of this movie.

[B]

Oh, dude, I'm going hours to find this theater. Wherever you are, I'm going.

[A]

You're going to have some serious ammo after this. Let me tell you. There's one scene in particular that once my enemies get a hold of, I'm ruined.

[B]

Do you. Do you have lines?

[A]

Yeah, I adlibbed a few and they made it.

[B]

No shit. Congrats. That's cool.

[A]

Pretty cool. Really, really bizarre. It was so the first I saw an early cut of the movie, like last year.

[B]

Were you like, hello, welcome?

[A]

No, but the way the movie was structured. No, I was like, the first thing you saw, and I was like. I was like, this is. This can't be. This can't happen. Like, no, no. Get it.

[B]

Get it.

[A]

Give me off now. And they. They changed it in a way that's really cool now where it's separated by chapters.

[B]

Cool, cool.

[A]

And, like, so I'm. I don't want to give anything away, but I'm all over it in a way that when every time I pop up, you're like, what's he doing? Who is this? I'm wearing my own pants.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah, I saw. It's really funny to see there. There's like, one punk posted a picture where he's, like, kind of kneeling and you're holding, like, a bottle of something.

[A]

Oh, yeah, dude. There's a scene where I had to pretend nobody told me to do this. I just did this on my own, which was so stupid, where I had, like, we, like, me and this other guy, Mike, had, like, created space work to do in the back.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So I chug this whole bottle of clear alcohol. Would that be vodka?

[B]

Sure.

[A]

I chug this whole bottle of water.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And then he's, like, pissed I didn't give him any. And then we did, like, 13 takes of that in a row. And I, like, projectile vomited water. All for this bit that, like, you would never know is happening as I'm, like. I'm, like, fully focaled out of frame in the background.

[B]

Just like an arm move.

[A]

You would never know that I had to do that. And I'm, like, spewing my guts out from the side over there.

[B]

But you made it.

[A]

I made it. I'm in there. I'm in there. You can't take it away. I love it and I say some shit.

[B]

Congratulations. That's. That's awesome.

[A]

That's awesome.

[B]

And then you did Arizona Fest.

[A]

Within these Walls.

[B]

Within these Walls. How was that?

[A]

That was the next day is the all this is all it was. Night Patrol within these Walls. And then my birthday. So it was a really, really fun little crazy little weekend. Full stuff within these Walls. It was crazy to see what that festival and Arizona Hardcore have Become because like I played that fest 10 years ago, probably more 12 years ago and that room was like 30, 40% full.

[B]

Sure. Yeah.

[A]

And this year was both stages running lit as fuck the whole time.

[B]

At the Nile. Right?

[A]

At the Nile, which is beloved Nile. Like that's probably one of the first out of town venues I ever played.

[B]

That makes sense.

[A]

In the bathroom there is the run sheet next to the sink. Bane Tui, Cruel Hand, Alpha Omega, Run with the Hunted. That was the first tour I ever did in my whole life.

[B]

Gotcha.

[A]

So that is still there. Cemented. Like somebody intentionally left that there because it's like a cool tour that hit that venue. That was first thing I ever did. And now my job is talking about touring.

[B]

That is that venue is synonymous with AZHC to me.

[A]

Straight up. For sure. And like they know and they're proud of it and they should be. And the fest was. The festival. Fest was awesome. Set was awesome.

[B]

Fantastic.

[A]

Saw. I saw people at the show that I've seen at Arizona. Shows forever. The Beautiful Ones played. Here they come. The Beautiful One. The Beautiful One went. Ate at Bad Jimmy's. After which is Jimmy from the Beautiful Ones restaurant.

[B]

Oh, very nice.

[A]

Unbelievable.

[B]

Yeah, fantastic.

[A]

If you're anywhere near Mesa, Arizona, Scottsdale, Phoenix, you got to go to Bad Jimmy's. I SM Perfect Smash Burger.

[B]

I don't think I had any good food on that entire tour. Aside from like any like, you know, good food. Aside from In n out.

[A]

No good cups, dude.

[B]

No good cups.

[A]

What's. What happened?

[B]

C and D markets, brother. I mean, we're.

[A]

We're going to ask Mac, dude. Max.

[B]

I know, I know. He's got the map.

[A]

He has a map of the country with like the best coffee.

[B]

I know I would be interested in like, what, you know, Chattanooga, Tennessee, where we were.

[A]

You know, there's some heat in Chattanooga.

[B]

Maybe. Maybe.

[A]

Dude. One of the best cups I've ever had. And I apologize for un. Gatekeeping this for Troy, New York. I'm so sorry. Is Jacob Alejandro and Troy really. I'm really sorry. I mean, not that this is gonna. People ain't traveling to Troy because of us to drink this cup, but Jacob Alejandro in Troy, New York, the creme brulee latte. I damn near I blasted through my pants when I drank this thing. Creme brulee all over myself.

[B]

Oh. Anyway, yeah.

[A]

Oh, this is a great question.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

They said since it's October, letterbox style, top four horror movies.

[B]

Great question. Love it. Topical, poignant.

[A]

I would say the thing number one all time.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

The Exorcist. Number two.

[B]

Strong, strong.

[A]

The Exorcist three. Number three, all time. Underrated. Sure has like a 50% on Rotten Tomatoes or something. I think it's unbelievable. Written and directed by William Peter Blatty, who wrote the Exorcist.

[B]

Oh, okay, cool.

[A]

He bumped heads with William Friedkin on Exorcist 1 so much that he was like, I'm just gonna do this one myself.

[B]

I can direct it.

[A]

And he did it himself. And some people thought he did a terrible job. I think it's awesome. George C. Scott is psychotic. In it you have Brad Durif, who voices Chucky, who is the patient X. He's switching places with Damien Karras from the first one. Unbelievable. I think it's aged so well. Scary as hell. Number four would be. What do I like to watch a lot? Maybe Scream 2. I love Scream 2.

[B]

The soundproof audio booth killing.

[A]

Dude. So good.

[B]

And then the. That and then the cop car scene.

[A]

Cop cars, dude. It's so scary.

[B]

It's very, very scary. Yeah.

[A]

And I think it has the best reveal. You know the way that like that was. That came out like a year later.

[B]

Yeah, right. And it' like they were like, oh.

[A]

We better cook up something.

[B]

This has got to be somebody's mom, dude. Yeah.

[A]

And it's like. And it's the mom they alluded to in the first one the whole time. Genius.

[B]

Awesome.

[A]

Genius.

[B]

Mine would be first and foremost. I watch it every year. I think it's a literal masterpiece. Halloween, the OG Done. Done. Yeah, dude. And he made it. He did that. It's.

[A]

I mean, the theme is in 98.

[B]

Yeah, right. That. And then, you know, he wasn't thinking that. He just.

[A]

No, he was.

[B]

You think he was. He was going.

[A]

No, I've read about it. Where he was like my. He was like his dad or something. Somebody told him about 98 and that it was. Or is it 6.

[B]

I think it would be 6, 8. I think it would be 6, 8.

[A]

Yeah. 6, 8.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

6, 8. He had a conversation with somebody where they were like. You should try like six, eight is though.

[B]

You could think, one, two, three, one, two, three. One, two, one, two, one, two, three. 1, 2, 3. 1, 2, 1, 2, 1, two, 3. Right, right.

[A]

Six, eight.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That's so cool.

[B]

It's awesome.

[A]

You know what's in nine, eight, that confused me, is the deliver us to evil breakdown.

[B]

Naturally. Natch.

[A]

Sorry, I forgot that I did that. But six, eight. So sick.

[B]

Very cool. Halloween, like far and away just the coolest. My favorite then scream 1. Love the first love.

[A]

Scream 1.

[B]

It's so good, dude.

[A]

I don't think around Jamie. Don't do it.

[B]

No, no, Jamie. And he's Jamie.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Genius. It's, it's the perfect amount of camp. It's also brutal. Also the swerve with Drew Barrymore, it's like we don't appreciate that enough.

[A]

So, you know, it's Game of Thrones esque.

[B]

I mean Psycho did that.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know, way back in the day. So.

[A]

Yeah. But it was, but it was, it was Drew Barrymore as a producer on the movie. She was, she's top build. She's on all the marketing, all the things toast.

[B]

So cool.

[A]

So cool.

[B]

And the mom going, Casey, baby is like still me up. It's so good. I'm gonna throw in the witch if that's gonna count. I think if the thing counts, I think the counts, you know.

[A]

Or it's if you show that in 1925.

[B]

Oh yeah, I'm getting burned.

[A]

There would be mass hysteria.

[B]

Yeah. I, I, I talk about the movie all the time. I know. But I just, I really love that movie. I think it's awesome. And then. Dude, I'm gonna go with just because we talked about it. Abbott and Costello meet Frankenstein.

[A]

Love it.

[B]

It's a perfect Halloween movie. Even the title card alone is like all the monsters chasing autumnal as hell. It's perfect and it's funny as fuck.

[A]

I love it. I'm sure there's going to be some things that come to mind. Oh but Honorable mention.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And this is recent and I've talked about it on here before, but Gone Jam Haunted asylum.

[B]

Oh, this is Korean.

[A]

Korean found footage. Oh, about some like YouTubers who go to an actual haunted asylum in South Korea.

[B]

Make some content kind of thing.

[A]

Make some content. And they, and then they pay for it. And then they pay for it. Dude, it's so good. Check it out.

[B]

That's awesome. That's a good question. I like stuff like that.

[A]

Great question. Love that. Let's see.

[B]

I saw something today that I would like to ask you about. I was asked the question and I and I ranked it. I want you to ignore it first five Metallica records. I would like you to, to put an order the guitar tones. Oh, I just think that's a cool.

[A]

Car tones.

[B]

Guitar tones you can even do. I think if you do production it's obvious.

[A]

But guitars because that changes things. Yes, drastically. Because the injustice guitar tone is unreal.

[B]

It's crazy. Not necessarily. Always in a good way.

[A]

I think it's maybe number three.

[B]

That's what I was thinking.

[A]

Okay. I would say Ride is maybe number two.

[B]

So far. We're locked.

[A]

Yeah. Because I think Bell Toll's intro. What are. What are we without that? You know?

[B]

I mean even fight fire with fire.

[A]

Come on, dude.

[B]

Come on, man.

[A]

Off.

[B]

I'm going nuts.

[A]

Master Masters 1.

[B]

Perfect. It is a. I also think that Master is like overall the best sonic one.

[A]

Oh.

[B]

It's the one. You know.

[A]

It's one of the best metal albums.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Black Album four.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Kill them all five.

[B]

Yes. So I agreed with one in five. And then where injustice was. But then I swapped riding. I think the Black Album guitar tone is crazy.

[A]

It is. But I love you. Love the way ride. The lighting.

[B]

It's so raw.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

It's. It's bullet belt.

[A]

It's. It's like heavy punk.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

You know.

[B]

Yeah. Very.

[A]

A bunch of misfits guys.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Making metal.

[B]

Making thrash. Yeah. Which was gain brand new.

[A]

No pedals. Just gain there.

[B]

There were tube screamers, but.

[A]

Yes, Maxon.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. Yes, exactly. Exactly.

[A]

That's it.

[B]

So cool. I mean that was at the time when. When they're having John Brown who does amp tweaker pedals now mod their amps. And he worked with Eddie Van Halen to mod his amp.

[A]

Who is the godfather of high gain.

[B]

You know what I mean? So we're that students of the game. Yes. Dude. Very, very good. Very good.

[A]

Love it. Which Massachusetts bands are you most excited to see play for the children in Boston? Rude Awakening and Revenge sets will be insane. Yes. I've seen both many times. I love Rude Awakening.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Very excited to see them again.

[B]

Rock.

[A]

There's one one is unannounced that I can't wait to see. And I'll leave it at that. Thoughts on young kids younger than 10 at at shows.

[B]

Hey man, if you're keep them safe.

[A]

Somewhere not in the pit.

[B]

Yes. It's not a dog. Which should be nowhere.

[A]

Which God damn. Get your dog out of my show.

[B]

Get out. Get out.

[A]

I went to shows at sub 10.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

And I stood in a safe place and had a great time.

[B]

I think most parents do a pretty good job, to be honest with you.

[A]

I agree.

[B]

I've not ear protection.

[A]

Safe place.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Done easy if. If you're not doing that you best.

[B]

And worst Halloween candy.

[A]

Worst would for me is anything fruity.

[B]

So you're not a Skittle Starburst?

[A]

No, no, I'm not. Get them all out.

[B]

You don't like Starburst?

[A]

No, I'M out, dude.

[B]

Fascinating. Yeah, that's, that's different.

[A]

The best is rare these days.

[B]

What do you got?

[A]

And it's the Charleston Chew.

[B]

I love Charleston Chew.

[A]

It's the best one.

[B]

I love Charleston.

[A]

It's the best candy. That's the thing is I, I, that's, that's me. I don't like this one that everybody loves. I love. What? Yeah, yeah, you know, I love Whoppers, dude.

[B]

Whoppers rock. I love them all. You, you and I both like malt. Malt is good. Worst, I would say, on full size. I don't like peanuts very much. Like Payday Baby Ruth. That even snickers the bite size. I do like it more.

[A]

Snickers ice cream bar.

[B]

That it rocks, guys. It's not like real peanuts. I don't know what it is, but they're so good.

[A]

Some preservatives.

[B]

So I would say like, like a Baby Ruth or something. That's just not for me. But my God, dude, you give me a three Musketeers or a Kit Kat. The little double kit.

[A]

Oh, God, the little KitKat. So good.

[B]

Because you. Even the way it opens is perfect. That little hitter.

[A]

Oh, stop it.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[A]

Suck it down.

[B]

Love it.

[A]

The best.

[B]

What are those? Colin, what are those? They're like taffies that are like orange and black in the wrapper. It's like a wax wrapper. It's like the most generic candy that exists. But they were always in our bags growing up.

[A]

I couldn't tell you because they're going straight in the trash.

[B]

Straight in the trash. Right. But they were like peanut butter taffy.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

That's probably the worst, disgusting, absolutely vile.

[A]

Dream non musician guest you'd like to have on the show. I mean, Tony Hawk. Oh, we gotta get him.

[B]

That's a perfect answer.

[A]

We gotta get him.

[B]

That's a perfect answer.

[A]

We're gonna get him.

[B]

Well done.

[A]

Mark my words.

[B]

That's a perfect answer.

[A]

Colin, any stories from Night Patrol you can share? I'm gonna share one. My very first scene, I'm driving a car. My very first scene, I did not put that car in park when I was supposed to. I have to drive the car. Stop it. This is like minute one of being an actor for me as they give me the keys and say, okay, you're gonna drive this. You're gonna stop it here. You're gonna get out, you're gonna say some shit into a speaker.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

And it was like, oh, okay. So not only am I remembering the very specific thing I have to say that is not something I would ever say in any circumstance. I gotta drive this police suv, stop it here and get out. And I'm so nervous that I don't stop it. So I get out and, like, foot's off the brake and it's just still rolling. And I'm like inches away from absolute disaster.

[B]

But you got it. You stopped it.

[A]

I got it. But it was just like, okay, this is real.

[B]

Name a band no one would expect you to like. We don't believe in guilty pleasures like what you like, but there are things that would be surprising. I enjoy. We don't talk about hip hop very much. We know very little about hip hop. I threw it on recently. Health Wealth south by KRS1 is a record that I. That I liked when I was in high school. I was like, I feel like. Listen to that. Rocks.

[A]

See, I. I feel the same about the Boogie down production stuff. The Pre KRS one, huh? Solo. I love it. Him and Scott LeBrock.

[B]

Cool.

[A]

Unbelievable. What's something. I feel like even my pop music is people are aware.

[B]

You know, I'll go out on a limb. I don't know if I've mentioned this before. That band Hundredth, which was controversial at one point, just for, I don't know, they made some statement or something. Not like. Not just about their Christian band. Yeah, something like that.

[A]

I'm out there.

[B]

They put out a. A synth record called Ultra Rare.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Rocks.

[A]

You love that.

[B]

It rocks. It rocks. All right.

[A]

Just gonna put it out there. Icp. Couple tracks.

[B]

No couple tracks, man.

[A]

It is what it is.

[B]

You know, I. I don't think tracks. I don't think I can say exactly when, where or what. I'll be seeing them soon.

[A]

That's what's up.

[B]

Put it that way.

[A]

We should watch Big Money Hustlers on Patreon.

[B]

That sounds delightful.

[A]

It's so good, dude.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It's so good. The Misfits are in it.

[B]

But graves Misfits.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah, but still.

[B]

But like, like WC Dare WCW era.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

It's awesome.

[B]

Okay. This was a good one. Mount Rushmore of camo patterns.

[A]

Duck tiger, Woodland classic. Woodland classic.

[B]

Yeah. And real tree.

[A]

Yeah. Easy, easy.

[B]

That makes sense.

[A]

Duck doc is goaded, dude. Thoughts on doing gear episodes about our favorite and least favorite pieces of gear and stories behind them. I mean. Yeah, I would love that. The thing about you do that.

[B]

I get a lot of gear questions in regards to the show. And the thing is, guys, when we do haunt lore, that is a niche thing. Like yeah.

[A]

And. And less people watch it, you know?

[B]

So that's what I'm saying. So, like, gear is even smaller than that. Ghosts are way more mass appeal than gear.

[A]

100%.

[B]

So it's just kind of one of those things where it's like. I just don't know how interesting that would be to people.

[A]

I think if people watched our weirder, smaller things, it would be easier.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

But less people watch our weirder, smaller things. So.

[B]

So it's a little tough.

[A]

Supply and demand.

[B]

Yeah. But I.

[A]

You know, we can supply it. You have to demand it. Top five cups you've had this year so far. This is cups of coffee.

[B]

Wow. Okay. Civil. I love that. Civil. Fucking espresso tonic. I don't care if it's not the cool one anymore. I love it.

[A]

That's great.

[B]

I love it. The next best one, in my opinion, was yala.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Love the apricot. Some.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Tasty.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I don't know if I've had that many. That really stood out to me this year. I've been. Gotta say, it's been tough.

[A]

I would say my top five cups in general. This is not just you.

[B]

Yeah, there you go.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

My number five would be probably just the lynx cold brew. I think it's.

[B]

If you can fucking get it.

[A]

Number four would be the house roots butterscotch latte.

[B]

Oh, nice.

[A]

Number three would be the yala apricot tonic.

[B]

Excellent.

[A]

Number two would be the yala latte.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Number one would be the highlight. Pineapple lime espresso tonic.

[B]

That's good.

[A]

So good.

[B]

It's good stuff we do. I will tell you. I'll give you a field report. We're having an issue where lots of places are making espresso tonics with topo chico or san pellegrino flavored drinks.

[A]

It ain't tonic.

[B]

It's just not like. It's espresso mineral water.

[A]

It's a different thing.

[B]

Yeah, it's just a different thing. It's espresso soda.

[A]

What are songs that bands never play live that you'd want to see?

[B]

I have seen Metallica three times in the last year, and they have not once played battery. Obviously. They play that song. Yeah. I ain't seen. Not for you, not for Bo.

[A]

Let's see. Bands. I see that I. That I would want to play stuff. Not just play it, but I. If. If Tui does another record, I need death clock ticking on there.

[B]

Ah, cool.

[A]

And I would like to see him play it again.

[B]

You know, I think I've Seen Tara play it once or twice maybe, but I wish not. This time was more consistently.

[A]

I played it at FYI this year.

[B]

Sick.

[A]

It was beautiful.

[B]

Yeah, they did play it this year. You're right. That was like the first time in. I don't even.

[A]

In forever. It was incredible.

[B]

That song rocks.

[A]

Dude, this is a really good question. They said top four. We'll do top four bands that are honorary hardcore bands because of their influence.

[B]

Title fight, title fights, actual hardcore.

[A]

Their example. They had three great examples.

[B]

Oh, please.

[A]

Sepultura.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

Obituary.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

Celtic Frost.

[B]

Really solid.

[A]

Those are kind of the perfect example.

[B]

Yeah. Okay. This is tough. This is a good topic.

[A]

I mean, they just took three out of four.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That I've been influenced by. What's a metal band? Oh, Bolt thrower.

[B]

Bull thrower. 1000.

[A]

By. By sheer influence on itself.

[B]

1000. I would almost say. God. Flesh, kind of. Yeah. Dude, he's down. Yeah, he's down. You know, sonically. No, but that's not what we're talking about.

[A]

Yeah, right.

[B]

It's a really good question.

[A]

I mean, Nirvana.

[B]

You think so?

[A]

Yeah, I think they've influenced a lot of.

[B]

Based on the influence.

[A]

Music after.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

They killed glam metal, you know, that counts.

[B]

Thank God.

[A]

Yeah. Alison Chains. Alice in Chains is a straight up metal band, dude. Hard fucking band.

[B]

I can't believe that band.

[A]

I know.

[B]

That's. That's a band that, when I drive, I listen to one of their things at some point. At some point in the drive. Some things going on. Great question. Might be a good. I don't know. It's tough.

[A]

It is tough. It's fun. We can. We can do this more in depth later.

[B]

Yeah, I like it.

[A]

Thoughts on the growing amount of films and series that is. That are designed for Instagram aesthetic, eg, Saltburn and Euphoria. I think it's inevitable. You know, you have younger people who you want to. You want to drive younger people to art. You know, what they know is Instagram. They know everything's in the middle of this tiny screen that I see.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So if they see something like Saltburn, Euphoria and they go, what influenced these things? Oh, it's this cool.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That's great.

[B]

Let's be real. It's already happened with music 100%, so it's. It's not. It's just a medium for media, you.

[A]

Know, we will never go back to life before TikTok and cell phones, you know, it'll. It's never going to happen. And like, I went to Horror Nights last Night.

[B]

Tell me it's fun.

[A]

It's great. I mean, it's not. It's never going to be the same because now there's 5 billion people there who are coming in their pants for Art the Clown. You know about this Art the Clown? Terrifier.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know that he's got a whole like, genre of guy, like people. There's like Art the Clown guys who are into him. It's like a. There's like terrifier guys out there. It's like a community. It's a. It's a wildly successful who find him.

[B]

A true attractive or just like.

[A]

I mean, who probably. Sure, he's probably handsome under there, but there's like a rabbit and that. There was a Five Nights at Freddy's Maze, a terrifier maze and. And a WWE maze. So it brought these three walks of life who have never converged in one place so horrifically.

[B]

And how was the WWE Maze?

[A]

It was cool. It was the Wyatts.

[B]

Oh, fuck it.

[A]

So it's like the whole thing was like a tribute to Brady. That was really, really cool. I think they did a good job, but I can't. Well, like I've been going to Horror Nights since I moved to California, so 2004, you know, 20 years or so.

[B]

You're how I heard about it for sure.

[A]

Yeah. And like people didn't film or take pictures inside of mazes ever. And also you weren't cattled in ass to ankles, tiptoeing through.

[B]

Oh, is that how it is?

[A]

Yeah, it's horrible.

[B]

Oh, that's. That's not good.

[A]

And the escalators used to play Dragula and Angel of Death.

[B]

Right.

[A]

And now it's. Now that's that Mi Espresso. Great song, but I'm not spooked out.

[B]

They should do. But I guess it's what helps ticket sales. So they're never going to do it. But you saw Hate Breed is playing Star and Garter. Awesome, right? Did you see the no phones thing?

[A]

No. It's beautiful.

[B]

So there's no phones. They put a sticker over your camera so you can use your phone. If they see you trying to film or taking it off or do whatever.

[A]

You'Re out, you're out.

[B]

I think that's probably a venue thing. It's probably for insurance reasons.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Kind of sick.

[A]

I love that idea.

[B]

It's kind of cool, man.

[A]

Love it.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

We gotta start implementing that universally.

[B]

I do wonder because obviously pictures and videos are great.

[A]

It is the ultimate promotional tool for whatever you're doing. Now we benefit from it every day.

[B]

Exactly.

[A]

But the user experience, the. The personal experience, the intimate experience of doing something, to do it, not to show people that you're doing it, is forgotten. That's why I don't like those Sinespia movie screenings, the outdoor ones and like movie theaters and like graveyards and shit. Yeah, yeah, I want to watch the movie.

[B]

Yeah, I want to. The way it was intended to be watched.

[A]

I want to see this movie in this big graveyard. I don't want to talk during it. I don't want to film the whole thing, you know?

[B]

Yeah, I do.

[A]

I just think people do. Don't do them to do them much now they do them to go, look what I'm doing. And that's sad. We'll never go back.

[B]

Stickers.

[A]

Give me the sticker.

[B]

Yacht wander bags or yonder camera. Yeah, here's a good one. You're going to love this question. Favorite song in a horror movie.

[A]

Like, not a score or soundtrack.

[B]

I think that was the implication is like song used in a horror movie. I'll give you mine right off the top because I already came to me. Red Right Hand Nick Cave in screen. Oh, that, like, montage, dude. Also, Ghostface is just in the liquor store at one point.

[A]

Is it him or is it somebody?

[B]

I mean, we don't know, but I think we're made to believe it's him. I think he's got a knife.

[A]

Interesting.

[B]

Yeah, it's very odd, but that I remember that being like.

[A]

Like, ooh, pretty scary needle drop.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

There's the Pink Floyd one in weapons this year. That was. Dude, unbelievable.

[B]

That was really good. Oh, what's the. The typo song right at the beginning of I know what you did last summer.

[A]

It's. Yeah. Summer Breeze.

[B]

It's awesome. They have such a great. I think the day Tripper medley might be my favorite after. Hey, Pete.

[A]

Yeah, I agree. Hey, Pete is goaded. There's a needle drop in Night Patrol that I'm excited for people to hear.

[B]

Is it.

[A]

It's not me.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

But I put it there.

[B]

Okay, cool.

[A]

And I really psyched.

[B]

But we could probably explain how that, like.

[A]

Yes. We were approached together to help. So it was supposed to be a judgment night complete original soundtrack.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Of hardcore bands and rappers together.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Complete original thing.

[B]

And we were like, that sounds awesome. It was like Freddie Gibbs, who is in the movie, and us, like, procuring the soundtrack.

[A]

Yeah. None of that happened.

[B]

None of that happened. But I did.

[A]

They realized that budget would be. We were like, yeah, that would cost X amount. And it was like, oh fuck, we're an indie movie. Yeah. That didn't happen. But there are still a couple cool things that made it without us. It wasn't like it was originally going to be like soundtrack curated by hard lore.

[B]

Right, right.

[A]

Music supervisor type role and that. That didn't pan out. But there is one. There's a couple things that I suggested. One that made it exactly where I recommended it.

[B]

Nice.

[A]

That is so cool that I'm excited.

[B]

For people to see Sick. Hell yeah.

[A]

So that's the answer. As a drummer, guitarist, where do you start? Riff first or drum beat? Riff first, baby.

[B]

Yeah, I, I think so.

[A]

But then the drums can influence the riff later.

[B]

It's really fun. I mean, what, what's, what is better than a riff that's been played with a halftime part getting switched to the full time part or vice versa? That's the coolest thing that happens, you know? So like.

[A]

Oh, they changed it.

[B]

Yeah. Oh my God. Yeah. So it's awesome.

[A]

Haywire has been championing recovering addicts and alcoholics and hardcore. That's what's up. Is the stigma finally over Example Hate breeds kill an addict era. I felt alienated by hardcore for a long time until getting long term sobriety. Sober 12 years now. I think the kill an addict over era was never really a thing.

[B]

Correct.

[A]

It's very small subsect of people. And I think even Josta would be like, yeah, I was joking.

[B]

Yeah. Like I was young.

[A]

I'm also not straight edge. Yeah, but that's great. I mean recovering addicts is like, we're proud of you. You know, I, I smash like on every sobriety post I see.

[B]

I'll put it this way. I think if. If you went deep and you decided it wasn't for you and you're coming out of it, that's harder, cooler and more impressive than just being straight edge.

[A]

And never, never doing it.

[B]

Never dabbling. Absolutely. That's way more impressive to me. So I fully.

[A]

If you're sober 12 years and you're fighting every day to be sober, you're like more straight edge than me, you know?

[B]

100. I fully agree with that. Yeah. Great job.

[A]

Keep it going.

[B]

Stigma's way gone.

[A]

Yeah, I, I never had a stigma about that.

[B]

No. If you could have a 24 hour session with any musician, dead or alive, who would it be?

[A]

24 hour, like writing session.

[B]

I guess you can kind of do whatever you want with them. Within reason.

[A]

I think I could have written some cool stuff with Elvis.

[B]

Damn.

[A]

Really you know?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I think if I went in my ballad bag with Elvis, if I was like, Elvis, try this. If I gave Kill for you to Elvis.

[B]

Yeah, I got you.

[A]

It would be a hit.

[B]

Interesting.

[A]

I'm going way bigger than me do.

[B]

I'm just going to go on the opposite side of that same coin. I'd love to get in a room with Glenn, write three songs fast punk songs. That's it. That's it. That's all I want. Give me 240 seconds of your time, dude. That's all I need.

[A]

Right up.

[B]

That's all I need.

[A]

Yeah, that's fair, I think. I mean, it's obviously still in him, you know.

[B]

Yeah, of course.

[A]

He just needs somebody to unlock it.

[B]

Now how about, how about this follow up question? What two artists, dead or alive, would you like to put together for a collaboration plan?

[A]

And Elvis.

[B]

Perfect.

[A]

Imagine. Imagine it was us four.

[B]

I bet you Glenn, I bet you Glenn's answer would be Elvis 100, right? He worked with Roy Orbison, he worked with Johnny, Johnny Cash and, and Reuben and everything.

[A]

Yeah, so sick.

[B]

I got a good one. A band or artist that you're not a fan of, but you would 100% go to their show. You got free ticket, good seat, they're playing some venue. That's easy for you. Whatever, everything works out. You know what I mean? But you're just like, I. I really don't give a about this guy, but. Or lady, but I'll go.

[A]

Sleep Token, Friends of the show. Sleep Token.

[B]

Friends of the show. Sleep Token.

[A]

I want to see it.

[B]

What up 3?

[A]

I want to see the homie 3 from sleep token, friend of the show. Yeah, I want to see it.

[B]

Yeah, I'm with you.

[A]

I want to see it. Like their success is undeniable. I talked about going to Horror Nights last night. You would not believe the amount of Sleep Token shirts. Right?

[B]

You see that logo everywhere.

[A]

It's everywhere.

[B]

Everywhere.

[A]

I want to see it. I want to experience.

[B]

I'm down. I missed it. It was here while I was gone.

[A]

Also, Lana had tickets to Benson Boone a couple weeks ago. Yeah, almost went to that.

[B]

There you go. That's a good.

[A]

Want to see that motherfucker flip, you.

[B]

Know, mine is Harry Styles.

[A]

Oh, he's dope.

[B]

But I like. I don't really like his music. I like his cover of Peter Gabriel, you know what I mean? Yeah, but I would go if that's, if that's at United Center, I'm there. If I got a ticket, no problem.

[A]

I would go to that. All Day.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

Any, like, big concert like that? Yeah, if somebody's like, do you want to go to this?

[B]

I probably want to go if I'm available and it's easy enough. Yeah, I'll probably go.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Good.

[A]

Check the, let's check the hours real quick. Oh. Oh, no, it's gone. Stephen. Stephen. It's so easy, this one. So don't. You're, you're all right.

[B]

You're doing great. Doing great. Oh, man, I, I forgot a major part of Furnace Fest that I, I gotta talk about. Met. Oh, Luke Madden's dad and brother Luke of, of Mad Vintage, who sadly passed away last month. Met them, just talked to them for a while. It started crying within 30 seconds. It was really, really heavy. They're doing okay. They're in a good place. They have a really, you know, they got support, they got family, they got everything.

[A]

And they're figuring out so cool that they're carrying on his work.

[B]

They're finishing all of, all of the. Not obligations, but all the commitments he made for every fest and everything he said he was going to be at. They're going to be at. They got, they bring shirts. They got his shirts. I have a bunch of shirts for you.

[A]

I need them.

[B]

Really cool, really heavy piece. Yeah.

[A]

Dude. What an incredible family he's got.

[B]

Yeah. And like, they are.

[A]

Do they know about hardcore or metal or.

[B]

The dad is definitely like old rocker guy. I bet you like, love Slayer. Lemma God, kind of.

[A]

But still hasn't. Like, he don't know about the Combust shirts he's selling.

[B]

No. You know, no.

[A]

So they're just there on their own. Yeah, there's a couple figuring this out as they go.

[B]

Yeah, there's a couple friends, the brother dude. And you know what the most brutal part is? That they look just like him. They look just fucking like him. So it was really heavy. They had the kindest things to say about you and I and just the show and, you know, everything that we were able to do together and get that ball rolling for them. So I, I, you know, obviously we.

[A]

Love, we love this guy.

[B]

Yeah. It's all love and it's all good. And I'm, I'm really happy that they are doing what I believe he would have liked done 100.

[A]

His mom said she would haunt him if they didn't.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Which. That's hilarious.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And so, Luke, you can haunt me all night, all day. It's all good. You're with me all the time. If you, if any of you have Noticed at the end. There's a little stinger at the end of every episode. Every week. Just for him as he is. He. He presents every episode of Hard Lore still to this day, as he will always.

[B]

Yes, sir.

[A]

Kickback. Your first U.S. show in forever just happened.

[B]

Looked awesome.

[A]

Looked insane. I love that Anthony's just in.

[B]

Just in kickback. Like there's no other person on the planet. No, you know what I mean? Like that's right. That's the guy and the. The show. I'm so glad that they just found like a venue and a setting and a show that fit the vibe.

[A]

Yeah. Looking wackos. Weirdos.

[B]

Weirdos. People sitting in crazy places.

[A]

It looks weird. Crows.

[B]

Yes. Ye. Awesome.

[A]

It's amazing. Somebody asked, are all the fests helping or hurting? Harcourt.

[B]

I think it's catch 20.

[A]

The bubble has burst.

[B]

Definitely.

[A]

Fest bubble has burst a bit.

[B]

Definitely.

[A]

You know, you're not. You can't just do a fest anywhere and have it be a success. It's just not going to happen.

[B]

There was a postco bubble.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

That was finally burst and it's burst for sure.

[A]

But I think you have Haywire doing their thing, showing you what it can be. And I think we all need to look. He posted that thing the other day about, hey, just do a ten dollar show on a Tuesday.

[B]

They did a ten dollars show in Richmond, which he told me about at Furnace. I caught up with him a little bit. They did a ten dollar show is $15 with fees. Which means every band. I don't know if. If they're making any money off the door. I don't know. I don't know how the breakdown went. I don't know how much the venue costs. Whatever it was at Canal Club. But all those kids who spent 15 bucks to get in, 800 of them who showed up, they're gonna buy a T shirt.

[A]

Sure. Yeah. So it all evens out. But like you, they're the community can't grow if. If we're pricing young people out of the shows.

[B]

Straight up.

[A]

That's a fact.

[B]

So you know what you want to know.

[A]

Really gotta keep it cheap.

[B]

A really interesting point that he had. I don't think this is sharing too much at all. But if anybody says, oh, this band sold out this place, 500 cap room, whatever. The question is always what's the cap? Never how much were the tickets? So hey, we sold out Canal Club. 800 kids. Nobody gives a that there was only 10 bucks.

[A]

That is true.

[B]

It's just an interesting way to look at it. I love it. I think it's great. I think it's great.

[A]

It's brilliant.

[B]

It is.

[A]

That is very true.

[B]

It's great. I know. He's so smart. This is a really good one. How much of each other's merchants do we own?

[A]

So much.

[B]

I own. There is a period of time between like 2013 and maybe 1718 where you had it all. I had every twitching tongue shirt, literally, in Europe. I remember being like, hey, I want one of everything. How much do I owe you? And, you know, I pay cost or whatever. It's just like I have a suitcase full of size medium twitching tongue shirts.

[A]

And isn't that the worst?

[B]

Yes.

[A]

And it's. And like sizes of. Not only have we fluctuated through the years. What. How things fit fluctuate through the years, you know, and.

[B]

Because like, also we were all printing Gildan, just classic gilding back then. Or. Or all style crap shoot, those.

[A]

All style was the worst.

[B]

Those are crazy.

[A]

But you couldn't sell them. You couldn't sell anything that wasn't all style.

[B]

Yeah. It was the comfort color of its day. Yeah.

[A]

I have a lot of harms way stuff. Yeah, a lot. Not nearly enough.

[B]

Yeah, I got a lot of God's hate stuff too.

[A]

But I think you're. There was a period where you were just with me at every show that.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

In the past four years. So I was like, all right. Yeah, you can.

[B]

Well, the funny thing is, is you would walk up to me and throw a shirt on me and be like, let me take a pic. And then you do this thing where you'd be like, okay, perfect. And you walk away as I'm like, oh, this is. This is mine. That's yours now. Thank you.

[A]

That's a great question.

[B]

Good question.

[A]

Mr. Folgers asks, do straight edge people not like people who are not edge or look down on them?

[B]

No, I've said this before. I think everybody goes through the phases.

[A]

Yeah. Of like. I mean, here's the thing. There is something to me where I'm like, yeah, I'm straight edge is pretty sick.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You could. You should be too.

[B]

Fine. Totally.

[A]

Like, your life would be better if you were. And that's an objective truth.

[B]

In high school, I was definitely like, you know, a little. It was a little.

[A]

I think. I think we were right to feel that way in high school.

[B]

Kind of probably more than as adults, you know, 100. Yeah, sure, sure.

[A]

You know, like. Yeah, I'm the freak who. You know, people. People my age are having dinner parties and bringing red wine over, you know.

[B]

Right. Yeah.

[A]

So foreign to me.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

That's. That don't concern me. That's got nothing to do with me. But in high school it felt good.

[B]

Sure, yeah.

[A]

No, we're freaks now and that's fine.

[B]

I don't judge anybody unless they're trying to tell somebody else how to live.

[A]

Yeah, that's. Well, very well said.

[B]

That's really it.

[A]

Somebody asked, how are we feeling about the new Taylor Swift album?

[B]

I heard she's getting sued. Have you heard about.

[A]

Oh, really?

[B]

There's two songs. And Taylor showed him for me, one song. She was like, tell me if you can tell me what this sounds like. It sounds just like Jackson 5. I guess the. The Jackson estate is suing her.

[A]

That's what's up.

[B]

Another one sounded like something else, which was a song I wasn't familiar with, but it sounded like say It Ain't so by Weezer.

[A]

Weezer, wow. Good, because she did the same thing to Olivia Ariga.

[B]

Well, here's the thing.

[A]

For some, that barely sounded like it.

[B]

And Ed Sheeran already did that court case where he showed the four chord songs like, hey, anything is everything. It doesn't nothing. This doesn't matter. And I agree with that.

[A]

Personally, I also agree with that. But I also think there's. Sometimes you can hear something and go, well, yeah, come on.

[B]

True. Especially when it's like, I'm making millions.

[A]

I think the Olivia one was bullshit. I think the Olivia one with Paramore was also bullshit. And Paramore thought so too. It was their publisher who insisted on getting credits for stuff. And listen, I first five, dude, I was like an early T. Swift head again.

[B]

On that first tour that we did together in Europe, that's all you were listening to, was Taylor Swift.

[A]

Yeah, I loved it.

[B]

Love Story is a great song.

[A]

Great song.

[B]

Great song.

[A]

Speak now. Perfect album, Red. Very good album. This one. Did you girl? She's finally girl boss. Too close to this one for me.

[B]

What's the current skin you're rocking in Fortnite?

[A]

Oh, the ash. Evil Dead skin.

[B]

Oh, nice. That's a cool one. That's a cool.

[A]

Great. It looks awesome too. I found. I do the Miles Morales one a lot because he's so skinny that it literally gives you a tactical advantage of having smaller Hitbox.

[B]

The Hitbox is smaller? Yeah. That's crazy.

[A]

Yeah, big skins are easier to kill.

[B]

That's crazy.

[A]

I know. So the Godzilla one's bad. You know, the thing is bad was.

[B]

The big cartoon cat when I played.

[A]

Yeah, you're Getting bad shot because it's.

[B]

Also black and white on like a full colored, beautiful landscape.

[A]

Exactly.

[B]

This is a good one because we're living the answer. Never go on tour again or never make new music again.

[A]

Yeah, I mean, never gone tour again easily. Yeah, only because never, never making new music again would kill me. It's currently killing me, you know?

[B]

Yes, I do. I do know.

[A]

It is legit eating me alive every waking moment of my life. So that's the answer.

[B]

Well, I love to tour.

[A]

You're tired, you can't sleep.

[B]

I love the tour, but I really don't. Who is the most overrated horror icon? What's one that you're like?

[A]

Jason.

[B]

Oh, he's kind of super natch, isn't he?

[A]

Not in no Friday 13th Halloween rip off, dude.

[B]

I mean, it blatantly is, right?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Isn't that like.

[A]

But like, I don't know, just never. It doesn't do anything for me.

[B]

I'm a Chucky guy. I don't like Chucky, dude.

[A]

But, dude, first Child's Play.

[B]

I mean, it's cool. The concept is cool. I just don't.

[A]

The movie itself is great and he's hilarious.

[B]

It's in Chicago too, dude.

[A]

When he's going up the elevator and the lady says, ugly doll.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And he goes, fuck you. That's good shit. Whereas Friday the 13th one is like, actively not good. Friday the 13th too, is pretty good. I'll tell you who's underrated is Leatherface.

[B]

I was just gonna say that. You literally read my mind. Texas Chainsaw is gnarly, dude.

[A]

It's like. It's. That is like a beautiful work of art that happens to be a horror movie.

[B]

And you know what? The remakes, not too bad. Pretty good.

[A]

The newest one, that's not the best.

[B]

But the Jessica Beal one.

[A]

Oh, fantastic, dude. There's the fucking shot of the camera.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Going through. I don't. I don't understand.

[B]

Yeah, it's awesome.

[A]

It's unreal.

[B]

The kill scenes are all brutal. Him slamming the door is like. It's awesome. It's awesome. Oh, and who's the. The drill sergeant from Full Metal Jacket.

[A]

Our. The guy. He's from Saving Silverman.

[B]

Awesome, dude. Yeah, he's so.

[A]

You ever listen to the story of how he got that role?

[B]

Yeah. Oh, well, which one? Yeah, yeah, he was just that good. He.

[A]

Well, and he was like. He was. Because Kubrick did not let him audition because he was a consultant, Right. But he. But he made pre tapes with the other people reading for the roles and was like, let me do it, let me read it. Because nobody's going to read it better. Right?

[B]

I. That has become a comfort movie to me, which is hilarious.

[A]

Insane.

[B]

I know I'm in.

[A]

Saw is a big one for me.

[B]

Sure. There you go.

[A]

I go right to sleep.

[B]

I watch it all the time. I love that movie. Oh, this is a good one, colin. Personal Top 5American cities for Food.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

I think it's pretty quick.

[A]

Chicago.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Way up there for me.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

New York. New York.

[B]

Come on. So nice. They named it twice.

[A]

What are you going to do? San Diego.

[B]

Interesting.

[A]

Not.

[B]

Not. Would have been on mine, but that's the best.

[A]

That's the best Max in the country, I think.

[B]

Got you. I got you.

[A]

Austin or San Antonio.

[B]

Yeah, I would. I would say Austin. Yeah.

[A]

And there's a biggin that I'm missing.

[B]

I think, L.A. i would have said LA instead of San Diego, personally. Las Vegas.

[A]

Yeah. I mean, it's just like a little bit of everything, but like. Yeah.

[B]

I love that.

[A]

You know, you can have a great meal.

[B]

You can have a great meal. You can fucking shit buffet style or an awesome steak place or whatever, you know.

[A]

True.

[B]

You and I, it took forever to eat, but when we went to that Italian place, that was awesome.

[A]

Was that. That was Esther's Kitchen. Yeah. Fantastic.

[B]

Good shit.

[A]

Somebody asked the best comeback album.

[B]

Oh, cool.

[A]

There's one clear, obvious answer.

[B]

Keepers of the Faith.

[A]

I don't think that was a comeback. I mean, they never stopped.

[B]

Yeah, you're right. They never stopped. It was just like a revival. Such a.

[A]

It was a movement.

[B]

Such a. Yeah. Such a thing. Okay.

[A]

Best comeback record.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

In history. Is Into Another Omens.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

It's five tracks and each one is better than the last.

[B]

Yeah. When you had me listen to it, like when you really were like, you gotta listen. It's. I just. You can't categorize this band. I don't know what it is.

[A]

It's Prague metal, rock, Rock or.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Comeback record. The first Alice in Chains comeback record was pretty awesome.

[A]

It was. Is that Black Gives Way to Blue.

[B]

Yeah. The. Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

With the. Yeah.

[B]

That one's Check My Brain. That's.

[A]

Yeah. Really good. Rocks really good.

[B]

And to be able to do that with a different singer when Lane was such a staple.

[A]

I mean. But that just showed you how Jerry. Jerry was. Jerry's had 60 of the sauce.

[B]

Yeah. Big time.

[A]

But. But, my God. Lane goaded. Let's see. Somebody asked. This is interesting. How to find similar interests other Than music with a romantic interest who isn't straight edge? I don't know. I haven't been single in a long time. Wait, how to find similar interests other than music with a romantic interest who isn't straight edge?

[B]

Um.

[A]

I think. I think you're overthinking.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

My friend. I think. I think that it's gonna happen when it happens. The right person's out there for everybody.

[B]

Everybody eats sometimes. Everybody eats food. Everybody likes to, like, go for a walk or look at art or see a movie. Like, I don't actually understand that.

[A]

Just like, they don't like the same music. You're gonna like the same something.

[B]

Of course.

[A]

And also, I disagree with my wife about most things. Artistically, you know, we like different things and that's fun.

[B]

Really?

[A]

So you. You're gonna organically bond over others?

[B]

Yeah, absolutely.

[A]

So don't worry about it.

[B]

Don't worry about.

[A]

You're overthinking it, buddy.

[B]

Yeah. Do you. The biggest. You know what the best hobby to have?

[A]

They're out there. What?

[B]

They're out there. The best hobby to have is do you enjoy spending time together?

[A]

Great, man.

[B]

You're set.

[A]

Quality time is the greatest interest you can have. Favorite horror movies this year or season. Weapons, obviously. Fantastic. I saw an early screening of Shelby Oaks, which was written and directed by Chris Stuckman, who is a movie reviewer.

[B]

Oh, cool. Now that I can respect.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Get your ass out there and make a movie.

[A]

Stop giving people negative reviews.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And made a movie.

[B]

All right.

[A]

Produced by Mike Flanagan.

[B]

I like that.

[A]

I don't want to give too much away, but I think it comes out in a few months. Really cool. There's aspects to it that are very indie, you know.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Where you're watching it and you're like, yes, this is a first time filmmaker, sure. But a student of the game type shit, where by the end you're really like, damn, this guy. There's a thing that happens 10 minutes in that literally made my entire theater go like the sitting up in chair.

[B]

Cool.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, it's really cool. So Shelby Oaks is great. I really enjoy it.

[B]

I know it's not the question, but there was a shot in one battle after another. I won't spoil anything. Where a door is closed and the camera moves on the door. Dude. I out loud went, oh, wow.

[A]

Like, I kept seeing that freeze frame.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Of that moment and being like, is this the only fucking picture screenshot of this movie? My God. And then that happened. It was like.

[B]

Yeah, dude, that's the other. Oh, Leo's. Character asked for directions at one point and then he just goes, yeah, goodbye. Dude, I lost my mind. Oh my.

[A]

Sean Penn.

[B]

Yeah, he's amazing. He. He stole the show.

[A]

He's Vince McMahon and it. Oh my God.

[B]

He looked great. He was scary. Yeah, just a pitbull.

[A]

The hair, dude.

[B]

The hair thing.

[A]

Disgusting.

[B]

Yeah. So foul. It was awesome. Non North American or European favorite bands. Sepultura and Boltar were not included.

[A]

Non North American and European.

[B]

So non North American. But oh yeah, I guess. Yes, yes, yes. So not from North America or Europe. Bolt thrower. Because UK and Subterranean not included.

[A]

You tell me. I get your pan.

[B]

It's on easy mode.

[A]

I think my. My number one. Okay, this is a spoiler for an episode, not number one. This is a spoiler for an upcoming episode. We have. I think once the Judgment Discog hits streaming, it's game over for a lot of motherfuckers. Just there's all these every. I think. I think every release is two songs and it's like five different two song. That's five or six different two song releases.

[B]

That's awesome.

[A]

So it's like you can easily digest and tell the difference between each one so starkly. The songs are fast, hard, melodic. It's the best of all worlds. It's like the perfect hardcore band. Lyrics are great in a language that is not their own some of the time. So that's probably one of my top draft picks for international band.

[B]

Pretty good acdc. But in all seriousness, I've been listening to Whispers quite a bit. I'm enjoying. I'm just enjoying. I'm enjoying it.

[A]

The sweetest lads. They deserve everything and. And more. Yeah. If you get Asia, it's. That's a cheat code. So maybe I'll go non Asia. I don't. Well, I can't have Europe.

[B]

Yeah. I don't know. I don't know. Like a Chinese band. Be interesting.

[A]

I wish I did.

[B]

Yeah. You know, that'd be interesting. Or South Korean.

[A]

I would love to just go to like. We should just go to all of Asia. I'm going to see what they're doing.

[B]

I'm gonna be in Japan in three weeks.

[A]

Crazy. Is that what next time you're leaving?

[B]

Yeah. And then. But I go straight from that to a certain cruise.

[A]

Yeah, you can't wait for the cruise, dude. We're gonna have so much fun.

[B]

Of course, of course. It's just. You understand leaving Japan 100 to go on.

[A]

I don't ever want to do that.

[B]

Yeah, but I'm going then you're going.

[A]

To be at sea.

[B]

Yeah, I'm going to be sick. But I'm.

[A]

I'm going to go to Miami.

[B]

Yeah. I'm going to Japan early, so I'll have my Japan time.

[A]

But I think. I think my, like, dream thing for us to do is to just see every Asian hardcore scene.

[B]

That'd be awesome.

[A]

Every single one.

[B]

Because they all got them. Singapore's got it, all the poor's got it. Bangkok's got it. Jakarta's got it.

[A]

We talked about it in the Whispers episode. Yeah, like, they're playing in Vietnam. They're playing in China.

[B]

I would love to go to Vietnam.

[A]

Gotta go, dude. I want it very fun. Do you guys do a 31 for 31 in October? Like a horror movie every day? You? I have been.

[B]

You have been?

[A]

Yeah, I have been. I've been watching. Let me. Let me break down what I've watched so far.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, Good. There you go. Catch him up. Because it is the day of recording. It's the 13th, so we're a little into the month.

[A]

I've watched. I've watched quite a bit. Let's see, so far this October, I've watched Alien. No, we already talked about that. So I started off the month with the Conjuring Last Rites, which is the newest conjuring.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Pretty good. Pretty bad. Fun. Send off for the sexiest horror couple in history.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Watched a movie called Tales of Halloween. It's like an anthology.

[B]

Oh, cool.

[A]

Kind of like Trick or Treat, but not as good as Trick or Treat. I would just watch Trick or Treat instead. If you've never seen Trick or Treat, it's a real treat. So please do that. Relic, which was from 2020.

[B]

I remember relic.

[A]

You do?

[B]

Takes place in Chicago.

[A]

No, no, no. It's. That might be the relic, but Relic is Australian or New Zealand.

[B]

Oh, damn. Yeah. I'm talking about the one where they're in the Natural History Museum and the theater.

[A]

Yeah, not that.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

This is relic.

[B]

Okay, Gotcha. Gotcha.

[A]

One word. The. One of my least favorite tropes is the ghost is trauma, I call it. Or you're watching this whole thing and then turns out the ghost the whole time was just trauma.

[B]

There's like a few movies that pull, like, devil's advocate. Pulls off like, fantastic, you know? Right, agreed. The movie identity.

[A]

Fantastic.

[B]

At the. The. At the motel. Incredible movie.

[A]

The Babadook, I think was good. Like, that's a jump scare. Ah, Ghost is trauma movie that I think works okay.

[B]

Yeah, a couple movies can do it, but I know what you mean. The.

[A]

That's a classic ghost is trauma situation.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

I watched Possession.

[B]

Ah.

[A]

Absolute classic.

[B]

Great. Yep. Scream.

[A]

One of the greatest performances by a human being in a movie ever. Screams I watched Invasion of the Body Snatchers. Oh, gee.

[B]

The OG is that.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Donald Sutherland.

[B]

Mr. Sutherland.

[A]

One of the greatest movie endings in history.

[B]

Scary.

[A]

Yeah, scary. I watched a found footage movie called Lake Mungo. Another. I think it's also Australian. Pretty good.

[B]

Yeah, Mungo.

[A]

Fun. I know it influenced a lot of things in like the 2000s found footage world.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Let's see. I watch Shelby Oaks. I saw. And then the other day I watched Audition.

[B]

Yeah. With. Is it Korean or Japanese?

[A]

It is Japanese.

[B]

Yeah, I know about that movie. It's on a lot of, like, scariest ever movies. Yes.

[A]

And what's fucked up about it that I feel that this is Takashi Miike, I believe it's pronounced who did 13 assassins. Ichi the killer. The movie. He. He didn't want it to be marketed as a horror movie. He wanted it to be a romance movie. And that the twist was the horror aspect and if that would make it so much more effective.

[B]

Right.

[A]

But it's great. It's classic. So much has been stolen from that movie in like, modern kind of torture porn stuff.

[B]

Yeah, I really don't like that stuff.

[A]

I don't either, but I think this does it. Well, because she's so horrifying.

[B]

Sure, sure.

[A]

And this was like before all that.

[B]

Sure.

[A]

It's like 98 or something. And then I watched Ring OG Ring.

[B]

Oh, dude. The first one.

[A]

So good.

[B]

The American one.

[A]

The Japanese.

[B]

The Japanese one. Sure.

[A]

Yeah. So good.

[B]

Scary.

[A]

Still scary?

[B]

Yeah, still scary. I'm gonna probably watch bunch of like.

[A]

What?

[B]

I don't know, dude. I. I like. I don't love like, probably screaming, you know, that's like. I'm in the mood for that. I don't like torture porn stuff. I don't really.

[A]

I don't really either. I just love. I love feeling scared.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I. I'm dying to feel scared.

[B]

Huh. I don't have that.

[A]

Really?

[B]

Dude. I spent.

[A]

You don't like that feeling?

[B]

I spent 14 years of my life being scared. The first 14, you know, so now.

[A]

Now you. You. So that made you not. I want that feeling, dude. It's. I crave it. Of being like, genuinely like. Like a jump scare is the. Is like a drug to me.

[B]

No shit. Yeah. No, I have zero interest in that. I actually think that it's like a. It's like a cop out no, but.

[A]

Like, that's what I'm saying. An effective jump scare.

[B]

Okay. Yeah.

[A]

Of like, oh, my God. Not like the cats running across.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

When the enduring. This moment of dread. I'm talking about the feeling of like, oh, my God, it's coming and it still got me. Can you name oddity?

[B]

I haven't seen it.

[A]

Fuck.

[B]

I was going to say that's the last thing I saw that, like, Gotcha.

[A]

Where I experienced dread the whole time and I still. It still got me.

[B]

Gotcha.

[A]

I knew it was coming every time and I was like. I felt unsafe in my own home.

[B]

It's so funny when they do the thing and they figure out how to get you where it's like, medicine cabinet. Nothing there.

[A]

You know, it's obviously coming.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's so funny.

[A]

Yeah. Let's see. Maybe we wrap this up with our thoughts on the new afi.

[B]

Sounds great.

[A]

I'd say. First listen, I was like, I don't know if this is for me, man.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. There you go. That's right.

[A]

I heard this. I heard the single before we recorded the episode. And it was like, okay, okay.

[B]

But this. It's a single. It can.

[A]

Hopefully this doesn't represent the whole record.

[B]

Could be the weird one, whatever.

[A]

And then that very much represented the record.

[B]

Yep. There's. There's no distorted guitar on the record.

[A]

No.

[B]

Which is very interesting.

[A]

Leads. Little leads. Little gothic leads.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Now, I think it was the best move they could have possibly made.

[B]

Kind of cat. Cat and mouse, you know, Little like, hey, listen to that. I really.

[A]

I think the record overall is best decision they could have made.

[B]

Interesting.

[A]

Don't try to rewrite your classics, you know?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

If that's not naturally in you, don't try to do it. If you're excited about this new different thing, follow the passion. And I, like, this is the most invested. I've been in an AFI record since burials.

[B]

Burials.

[A]

Right. You know, and that's 12 years.

[B]

You know, I. I got two bits of feedback that I do agree with. I wish we would have talked about Art of Drowning a little more.

[A]

Me, too.

[B]

And we skipped the Blood album, like, entirely.

[A]

No, we didn't.

[B]

Did we not?

[A]

No, no. Because that's the one where he's like, I experienced some writer's block.

[B]

Oh, okay. You're right. Yeah. You're right. You're right.

[A]

We did not skip it.

[B]

Okay. Holy Visions. Great song. And no one Underground. Those are. Those are my tracks.

[A]

Yeah, Those two. And then the Ash Spectrum.

[B]

Yeah. Green Speck and Aspect in The Green Eye. Yeah.

[A]

Great song.

[B]

The. The holy. Holy vision. Like that. That hook gets me really good.

[A]

Really like solid. Just like gothic rock album.

[B]

They played here like a week ago.

[A]

Dude. The set lists have been awesome.

[B]

Insane single.

[A]

Second Come on and I can't go. Can't go at all.

[B]

Why can't you go?

[A]

They're not playing la.

[B]

Oh. They'll probably do something.

[A]

They'll do something that's coming. I'm sure. But yeah. That concludes this little catch up bow night. You know. It's been so nice. Just wanted to chill. Haven't. He'd gotten home from tour today so we didn't want to do anything too crazy.

[B]

The alternative to this was not doing anything. So here we are.

[A]

Exactly. So we hope you enjoyed it. We love chatting.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

We love. We love doing nothing. We love shooting. We'll be back next week with something sick. Happy, happy Edge day tomorrow.

[B]

Holy shit. Wow. Friday. Yes.

[A]

Isn't that nice?

[B]

That is nice. Very good. Listen to Floor punch. Listen to 10 yard fight. Listen to those two bands.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Over and over for the whole day.

[A]

Yeah. And I have a surprise for you on Tuesday. So enjoy that.

[B]

Next Tuesday.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Okay. Thank you. All right.

[A]

Thanks everybody.

[B]

Bye.

[A]

We love you so much. Bye. This episode is brought to you by Mad Vintage.