DRAIN & HardLore Behind The Scenes: "...Is Your Friend" Tour 2026

Summary

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HardLore Podcast: DRAIN & HardLore Behind The Scenes: "...Is Your Friend" Tour 2026

Episode Date: April 16, 2026
Hosts: Colin Young & Bo Lueders (Knotfest / Twitching Tongues, God's Hate, Harms Way)
Guests: Members of Drain (Sammy, Tim, Greg, Cody, Beau), Crew (Merch, TM, FOH, Tech, Driver), and assorted friends
Location: Nashville, Tennessee & Dallas, Texas
Presented by: Monster Energy

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Overview: Inside the Madness of Drain’s Biggest Tour Yet

This “HardLore” episode is a behind-the-scenes marathon chronicling the launch of Drain’s "...Is Your Friend" US Tour 2026, featuring Haywire, No Pressure, and Australia’s Secret World. Hosts Colin and Bo, along with the full Drain band and crew, invite listeners inside the prep, rehearsal, gear breakdowns, pre-show nerves, and the absolute chaos and community that fuel modern hardcore tours. It's a love letter to band life, evolving hardcore culture, and DIY energy, punctuated by detailed hardware rundowns, road stories, honest reflections, and riotous laughter.

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Main Themes

• Prepping for Drain’s largest and most ambitious tour yet
• Tour logistics, backstage culture, and crew dynamics
• In-depth gear and “hardware” rundowns with every band member
• The evolution of hardcore and the band’s personal influences
• The nuts and bolts of sound, merch, and touring as a working “hardcore family”
• The fun, chaos, and communal energy that make hardcore what it is

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Tour Build-Up: Selecting Bands, Pre-Production & Vision

(00:48–04:07)

• The Tour Package:
  Drain’s “…Is Your Friend” tour unites a diverse lineup: the always-energetic Haywire (“I’m a Haywire head,” Sammy, 02:28), the melodic punch of No Pressure (“Tried for years to line this up,” Sammy, 02:42), and Australia’s Secret World – friends, drivers, and now openers for a full US run.
• Goal: Offer a cross-section of sounds and scenes in one package. “Why don’t we just do four bands, make it fucking awesome. Not all heavy, not all punk, just a little bit of everything.” (Sammy, 02:08)
• The Third Album:
  • “Three records. What? …I think we have like 55 songs in the discog. That’s kinda nuts, man.” (Sammy, 03:21, 03:27)
  • Songwriting: “We were just like, let’s just get in the room, write some tracks…not trying to make a part that sounds like this or referencing another song.” (Beau, 03:41)
  • “It combines the best elements of our last two records. More emphasis on songwriting…killer riffs, killer hooks. Just a fun, catchy record, man.” (Tim, 03:55)
• Getting Tight:
  Practice culture – relentless “just get tight as a band, you know, just drilled the set like always…” (Beau, 04:47)

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2. Band & Crew Introductions: Who Does What

(Throughout – especially 05:33–07:00; 50:02–55:00)

• Full crew breakdown: band, tour manager, merch, techs, FOH, photo/video, and driver – nearly all working musicians themselves.
• Bonded by years of shared scene history: “It’s a crew made up of entirely people in like, other hardcore bands.” (Colin, 88:11)

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3. Hardware Highlights: Gear Rundowns

(07:00–22:30)

Bass: Greg Sirwanka

• Basses: David Ellefson Jackson signature, plus a backup with Fishman pickups.
• Pedalboard:
  • “This Darkglass rules…vintage deluxe…kind of different overdrives. Noisy as hell, so I also have an NS2 in the loop to quiet it.” (Greg, 09:27–10:08)
  • “Chorus on for good things a lot. …Stealing Happiness…cuts out, cuts in with just bass.” (Greg, 10:33–10:44)
• Technique & Vibe:
  “Trying to do that classic Van Halen kind of Pantera…doesn’t feel that without a certified shredder.” (Greg, 12:37)
  • “I wouldn’t want to play with anyone else. It’s so fun.” (Greg, 13:06)

Guitar: Cody Chavez / Beau Martinez

• Guitars: Jackson MJ Dinky, Randy Rhoads V, both “all Floyd” (17:40–21:58)
  • “As long as they sound good, man, that’s all I really care about.” (Beau, 20:14)
• Pedals:
  • “Tuner, tube screamer, ZUUL, NS2 in the effects loop, same chorus as Greg, DD8 delay.” (Beau, 16:12–18:15)
  • “Never been a chromatic [tuner] guy – I swear by the Polytune.” (Beau, 17:22)
  • “I just love the [second fret]. Just the 80s metal in me.” (Beau, 15:31–15:52)
• Amps:
  • “Obviously I like to scoop my mids quite a bit, just get that thrash tone.” (Beau, 19:12)
• Writing Process:
  • “Literally nothing, man…it just came to me.” (Beau, 23:27)
  • “Sammy wrote the bass line for it…but the solo, I just kind of loop it…I like to match vocal melody.” (Beau, 26:19–26:45)

Drums: Tim Fleagle

• Kit: Ludwig Vistalite acrylic, ocean blue “because I love blue, but also it kind of works with our band.” (Tim, 27:19–27:44)
• Cymbals: Primarily Zildjian, Wuhan China for $50 “I just love the way they sound, classic, dude.” (Tim, 29:18–29:59)
• Snare: Ludwig Black Beauty, “pretty new…just sings with overtones.” (Tim, 30:26–30:47)
• Hi-Hats: “Normally do 15 inch, but I love these 14 inch new beat hi-hats. Carter Buford from Dave Matthews…one of my favorite drummers.” (Tim, 31:13–31:33)
• Pedals: DW 9000s. “Bigger number, bigger is better. I love them.” (Tim, 33:34–33:48)
• Drumsticks: Switched from 2B to 5B, sometimes practicing with marching sticks. Drumstick expense and tradition: “That’s why they’re $20 a pair…after a set, can I please have a stick? I think we’d all rather send you $9 at this point.” (Colin/Tim, 34:52–35:11)

Vocals / Stage Gear: Sammy

• Props and Rigs: Sample pedal (for secret tracks and intros), stickered hardcase, lifeguard chair on stage (Aquamentor), megaphone, alarm, inflatable paddle board for “surfing” over the crowd.
  • “I would prefer to play on the floor everywhere if I could…so we’re going to build a lifeguard tower.” (Sammy, 39:24)
  • Paddle board: “I’m not a real surfer…I can’t really swim, so I hope I can land on it, but…I’m hoping I can get this down there and, you know, get up and do the thing…” (Sammy, 42:15)
  • “Night one. We’re gonna get there.” (Sammy, 96:11)

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4. Crew Spotlights: FOH, Techs, Merch, Photo, and Driver

(50:02–65:14)

Oscar – FOH (Front of House)

• Started running live sound as a teen; credits high school gigs and learning on the fly.
• “You gotta be adaptable. Although I always start from scratch.” (Oscar, 51:50)
• “If you can’t coil a cable, dude, get out of here now, dude.” (Sammy, 50:23)

Gabe the Pigeon – Photo/Video

• “Big bird family. So I just had to stick with a bird myself.” (Gabe, 54:52)
• “The most rewarding part is the energy in the entire room – for photographing a hardcore band, you want energy the entire set, and Sammy brings that.” (Gabe, 55:44)
• Shoots on Nikon, doesn’t subscribe to gear snobbery: “And you don’t need $10,000 to make it work.” (Gabe, 56:58)

Coleman – Guitar Tech

• Plays in multiple bands, got into tech work to avoid bad setups, and prefers the “zero” fret.
• Describes setting up Floyd Rose bridges as the hardest (and worst) part of teching.

Walter Delgado (Rotting Out) – Tour Driver

• 25 years straight edge, SoCal punk/hardcore roots.
• “It was an accident…I realized I really love traveling, driving.” (Walter, 62:56)
• “At its bone, that’s what [hardcore] is, man. Band and fans kind of interacting at a level where you couldn’t distinguish who was in the band and who wasn’t…that was so cool to me.” (Walter, 67:37)

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5. “Who’s Having Fun?” Songwriting and New Record Reflections

(44:13–46:15, 95:34–98:37)

• “I tracked bass on it…I got two fingers, that’s all I really know.” (Sammy, 44:24)
• “We changed one note and it went from very pop-punk to what it is now.” (Sammy, 45:03)
• The impact of past Descendants cover: “We did that song straight up…kids are surfing, piling up, singing along…maybe it would be cool to try that but on our own.” (Sammy, 45:49)
• Night one in Dallas: “It’s crazy when you think about a plan and then it actually works out, but, like, better.” (Sammy, 95:43)
• Paddle board surfing: “Didn’t drop. I jumped in, incredible, dude…I got back on stage, my legs are like jello, dude, just, like, trying to balance.” (Sammy, 96:02)

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6. Honest Tour Life: Routine, Tradition, Inspiration

• Favorite records (roundtable): Everyone on crew and band shares the hardcore records that shaped them—raw, honest, often unexpected lists. (77:33–82:01)
  • “Do you want the truth or what I think I’m supposed to say? …I want the truth.” (Sammy, 77:35–77:42)
• Travel stops:
  • Walter loves Love’s 2-for-5 hot dogs (“Old Faithful”) or Bucky’s double XL brisket when “luxury.” (Walter, 70:00–70:56)

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Notable Quotes & Moments

On Tour Culture:

“Should we name country music? …Metallica, the fucking lads. …The Beatles were here.”
– Colin & interviewers riffing about the Nashville music facility (00:57–01:07)

“I’m a Haywire head. I’m a fucking head.”
– Sammy (02:28)

“We are in room 4D because Drain is a four dimensional band.”
– Colin (01:07)

On Gear:

“What’s your favorite fret?”
– Colin (08:54)
“It’s gotta be the seven, right?” – Greg Sirwanka (09:03)
“Who don’t love the seven?” – Colin (09:06)

On Community:

“Cooperation, not competition. That’s how drain rolls.”
– Tim Fleagle, post-show (93:25)

On Hardcore:

“At its bone, [hardcore] is …the band and the fans …interacting at a level where it didn’t matter who was on stage, …that was so cool to me.”
– Walter Delgado (67:37)

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Memorable Segment Timestamps

• Tour Package & Preparation: 00:48–04:44
• Writing/Recording Album 3: 03:17–03:53
• Practice + Getting Tight: 04:44–05:24
• Hardware Highlights (BASS): 07:00–12:38
• Hardware Highlights (GUITAR): 14:40–22:00
• Hardware Highlights (DRUMS): 27:10–37:40
• Hardware Highlights (VOCALS/PROPS): 37:49–44:09
• Favorite Records Crew Roundtable: 77:33–82:01
• Oscar (FOH/Sound): 50:02–55:00
• Walter (Driver/Rotting Out): 60:31–75:23
• Day 1 Show & Crowd Interviews: 86:10–91:00
• Night One Reactions / Post-Show: 92:19–98:52

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Tone & Language

The episode flows with the banter, sarcasm, and excited, honest, sometimes chaotic camaraderie of people deeply embedded in hardcore. The hosts and guests use casual, sometimes profane, always playful language, poking fun and hyping each other up in equal measure. Gear and music talk is passionate but never precious, always down to earth.

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For Listeners: Why This Episode Matters

• The best possible primer on modern hardcore touring, both as art and as work
• Demystifies the “backstage” – everyone is a fan and part of the team
• In-depth gear talk for gearheads, plus plenty of jokes for everyone else
• True sense of community, DIY culture, and hard-won tradition
• Exclusive first-night reactions and news you won’t find anywhere else

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Essential Takeaways

• Drain’s 2026 tour is their most ambitious yet; enormous energy and preparation fuel both their performance and show environment.
• The band and crew are a family of lifers—from merch, to techs, to driver—all sharing hardcore’s spirit and interconnected histories.
• Hardware matters, jokes matter, and the crowd’s joy matters most of all.
• “Cooperation, not competition. That’s how Drain rolls.” (93:25)
• Each night, both the band and audience “join the circus” and, most importantly, have fun.

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Transcript

[Colin]

Hello, welcome. It's hard Lore time. My name is Colin.

[Beau]

And I'm Beau.

[Colin]

And we are here in Nashville, Tennessee with monster energy to give you a special inside look at Drane's upcoming is your friend us tour with Haywire and no pressure. Come on inside, let's show you.

[Interviewer/Host]

This is a big facility of sorts that's got all kinds of music in it we've heard tell of.

[Colin]

Should we name country music?

[Interviewer/Host]

Country music. Some pop stars, some heavy metal, if you will.

[Colin]

Metallica, the fucking lads.

[Interviewer/Host]

Yeah. The Beatles were here.

[Colin]

Yeah. All right. We're here in room 4D because drain is a four dimensional band.

[Tim Fleagle]

Of course.

[Colin]

We're sick of this three dimensional crap, you know, hopefully it's open.

[Interviewer/Host]

It's not gonna be.

[Colin]

It's closed.

[Interviewer/Host]

It's closed.

[Colin]

Give us a second.

[Sammy]

So we're here right now. We're in Nashville in this crazy ass, big ass spot. I have no idea why they let us in here.

[Beau]

We.

[Sammy]

We're building out. Colin, Bo and the whole crew has been with us for 48 hours now, watching us figure out what the fuck's going on very cluelessly.

[Colin]

And you're getting ready for Drain's biggest tour yet.

[Sammy]

Biggest tour. Biggest.

[Beau]

Yeah.

[Colin]

Tell me about putting together the is your friend us tour.

[Mac Miller]

Okay.

[Sammy]

Why don't we just do four bands, make it fucking awesome. All different flavors. Not too. Not all heavy. It's not all punk. It's just kind of got a little everything and that's how we end up here. Yeah, we did Haywire played some of those shows, like four dates two years ago. We played on. Okay. Tongues played Boston.

[Colin]

They opened, stole the show.

[Sammy]

They could have collected. We should have all just went home right after that. So here we are two years later, foolishly gonna do the same thing again. Like, dude, that's. That's. That's their show in Wooster. That's their show every night. We just get to play it. But I. I'm a Haywire head. I'm a fucking head.

[Colin]

And then you got no pressure, direct support.

[Sammy]

No pressure, direct support. That's another one we've been trying to do for a while. Like, you know, one of those things. We've played fest together, but we did one club show together and like, that was sick. We should do this again. Just kind of haven't been able to line it up. So we finally get to do that, which is awesome. And then we got secret world kicking it off from Australia. Just goat the goated people that like have taken such good care of us both times. We've been there in some capacity. They're hanging, driving us. And then we checked out the band and we got to play with them. Last time we're in Australia and we're like, dude, we have to. We have to some way. If you guys would be down to a month, tour, let's do it.

[Colin]

Tell me about is your friend third album. Putting it together and the response to it so far.

[Sammy]

Yeah, dude, it's kind of nuts. Three records. What?

[Colin]

Good job, dude. I. I many don't make it to

[Sammy]

one, dude, you know, you're not wrong. And I see it's. It's, you know, putting a body of work, even that for. I was like, dude, ten songs. That's crazy. And now we're counting. I think we have like 55 songs in the discog. That's kind of nuts, man.

[Beau]

I think with this one, we were just like, dude, let's just. Just get in the room, just write some tracks. Just not trying to make a part that sounds like this or referencing another song, you know, it's like, let's just get in there and just kind of just start writing.

[Interviewer/Host]

Yeah.

[Beau]

Whatever comes out, comes out and that. I'm really glad that we did that.

[Tim Fleagle]

It just feels right. I don't know. I just feel like it combines the best elements of our last two records. And I think there's more emphasis on the songwriting aspect. Killer riffs, killer hooks. Just a fun, catchy record, man.

[Colin]

What are you looking forward to on this tour coming up?

[Beau]

Just bunch of energy. I just hope kids, like, really just enjoy themselves. Have a good time, Mart all that, you know, Just. Just really.

[Walter Delgado]

Just.

[Beau]

Just want to rock out, man.

[Interviewer/Host]

That's really top bunk. Middle bunk or bottom bunk?

[Beau]

Usually top bunk, but on this one, I'm on the middle bunk because I. Before I could get in there, Greg

[Walter Delgado]

and Tim were like, I'm.

[Beau]

I'm going top. And I was like, all right.

[Walter Delgado]

Why top?

[Interviewer/Host]

I don't.

[Gabe the Pigeon]

I'm bottom.

[Beau]

Really?

[Interviewer/Host]

Bottom.

[Beau]

Okay. Yeah.

[Sammy]

I don't know why.

[Walter Delgado]

I just.

[Beau]

I like being high up.

[Colin]

That was a bottom.

[Interviewer/Host]

Wait, I didn't.

[Greg Sirwanka]

I.

[Interviewer/Host]

That took me a second.

[Colin]

Respectfully, this is the craziest tour Drain's ever done, right?

[Tim Fleagle]

Easily.

[Colin]

What goes into prepping for a tour like this?

[Beau]

Shit. Just getting tight as a band, you know? I mean, back home, you know, we just got in a little practice spot and just drilled the set like always, you know, So a bunch of that.

[Colin]

You, Tim and Greg, or mostly you and Tim at home?

[Beau]

Me and Tim and Sammy, yeah.

[Interviewer/Host]

Greg's a Machine, huh?

[Beau]

Oh, Greg's a machine.

[Tim Fleagle]

Yeah.

[Beau]

He can just hop in and. Yeah, he's. He's the goat.

[Greg Sirwanka]

They just like hang out and jam together, so they're always razor tight. And then I do enough band stuff on my own, and I'm always pulling.

[Colin]

You've never not been tight in the

[Greg Sirwanka]

20 years, so it's. It's fun.

[Interviewer/Host]

Somebody call you a machine?

[Greg Sirwanka]

Get up. Try my best. Get up there. And then it's just, you know, we can just smash it out. It's good.

[Tim Fleagle]

I'm an avid practicer, so I do practice. Try to practice every day in some way or another even. It's just on a pad. Like, I try to. Try to touch sticks every day.

[Colin]

Greg, Sierra Wonka, my friend of so many years. You're in Drain now.

[Greg Sirwanka]

This is true.

[Colin]

Unbelievable.

[Greg Sirwanka]

It's fun.

[Colin]

Welcome. Well, look at us.

[Greg Sirwanka]

I know.

[Colin]

I hope you and Cody chopping it up about riffs.

[Interviewer/Host]

Has to be like, that's yin and yang long lost.

[Greg Sirwanka]

Yeah. We can get a. Get a little guitar center sometimes.

[Interviewer/Host]

That's fine.

[Greg Sirwanka]

But I mean, like, again, what are we not gonna listen? Are we not supposed to play?

[Interviewer/Host]

Sometimes you gotta open up the noodle shop.

[Greg Sirwanka]

We got a little. Little portable amp here. So it will just be like Cody and I in the backstage just exchanging licks.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Greg Sirwanka]

And again, like, you know this. People might think that's. You find out who's a real riffer.

[Colin]

Okay. But you're finding Cody's like. That is really interesting what you're doing.

[Interviewer/Host]

Yeah.

[Colin]

You want to show us your. We want to highlight your hardware.

[Interviewer/Host]

Maybe like a hard lore. Hardware or highlight.

[Colin]

All right, now it's time for the first ever Hard lore Hard wear highlights. We've got Greg Sirwanka from Drain. Take offense. Cold stare.

[Greg Sirwanka]

Whoa. Deep cut.

[Colin]

Rod of correction.

[Greg Sirwanka]

Yeah, there's one more.

[Colin]

What is it?

[Greg Sirwanka]

What do you use in a spreadsheet?

[Colin]

Excel. Dude, he's in Excel.

[Interviewer/Host]

Damn.

[Greg Sirwanka]

That's right.

[Colin]

You tap into the emotional voice every day. Every day.

[Interviewer/Host]

So what are we playing? Tell us about this bass, Greg.

[Greg Sirwanka]

It is a David Ellefson model. How do we go around that?

[Interviewer/Host]

The guy can play. I mean, he made a good bass. What do you want? I don't know.

[Greg Sirwanka]

Let's skirt around. David Ellison.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Interviewer/Host]

Okay. Wonderful.

[Greg Sirwanka]

Mike Tempesta over at Jackson.

[Interviewer/Host]

Yeah, Shout out Mike. He helped us out too.

[Greg Sirwanka]

Yeah. I mean, I'm a Jackson artist all through and through with everything I play.

[Interviewer/Host]

We got active pickups.

[Greg Sirwanka]

Yeah. EMGs kind of have like a couple of ways you can split it do

[Interviewer/Host]

you do any of that knobs?

[Greg Sirwanka]

I gotta kind of doubt. I got like, honestly. I mean, this is way too many knobs.

[Interviewer/Host]

Yeah. Far too many for me.

[Colin]

But how many of them are all the way up?

[Greg Sirwanka]

This one's all the way up. That's like all. I think that's. I'm pretty sure this gotta be the bridge again. You know, we're gonna. We're gonna find out.

[Colin]

We'll figure it out.

[Greg Sirwanka]

We don't know what I'm doing at all with these things.

[Colin]

Well, you're a guitar player first.

[Interviewer/Host]

Yeah. You know, Boy, are you right.

[Colin]

You know, Lord, are you ever.

[Interviewer/Host]

So you're playing.

[Greg Sirwanka]

I know a note or two.

[Interviewer/Host]

You're playing this Jackson signature piece.

[Greg Sirwanka]

And then we got another Jackson back here. Oh, by this palm.

[Interviewer/Host]

This is the backup.

[Greg Sirwanka]

Yeah. This is the. The Pro plus series.

[Interviewer/Host]

Yeah.

[Greg Sirwanka]

Which are really dope. It's got this Furman, Fishman.

[Interviewer/Host]

Fishman.

[Greg Sirwanka]

Furman.

[Interviewer/Host]

I love Fisher.

[Greg Sirwanka]

Furman.

[Colin]

Furman makes great power. Fishman makes great bridges.

[Greg Sirwanka]

There you go.

[Sammy]

Wow.

[Greg Sirwanka]

Look at him.

[Walter Delgado]

Wow.

[Colin]

Come on.

[Interviewer/Host]

This is the. These are fluences as well.

[Greg Sirwanka]

Damn.

[Interviewer/Host]

Very good.

[Greg Sirwanka]

It sounds great. That's what I really like about it. Also not as many knobs. I mean, we compare far fewer.

[Interviewer/Host]

That's like half.

[Greg Sirwanka]

You know, that's.

[Colin]

I think one.

[Greg Sirwanka]

But there's. There's some math that would show that there's more knobs on that one.

[Interviewer/Host]

I think you're right. We'll. We'll make sure of that in post.

[Greg Sirwanka]

Neck through. Boy.

[Interviewer/Host]

But it's just still active. Very nice.

[Greg Sirwanka]

A little heavier, but it. It's great. Little punchier on this one too.

[Interviewer/Host]

Which is.

[Greg Sirwanka]

Which is fun.

[Colin]

Let me ask you something, Greg.

[Greg Sirwanka]

What.

[Colin]

What's your favorite fret?

[Greg Sirwanka]

Fret.

[Interviewer/Host]

I'll put this back for you. I got you.

[Greg Sirwanka]

I think it's just. It's got to be the seven, right?

[Beau]

The octave.

[Colin]

I mean, dude, who don't love the seven?

[Greg Sirwanka]

Yeah.

[Colin]

It's the greatest trick.

[Interviewer/Host]

It's a good.

[Colin]

The greatest magic trick in me.

[Interviewer/Host]

You know what it is? Point a ring out. Halfway through you're going ring.

[Greg Sirwanka]

Yeah. Double it up.

[Interviewer/Host]

You know, let's go to Pedal World. Let's talk pedals.

[Greg Sirwanka]

That's me.

[Interviewer/Host]

You got a good. You got a good base pedal board set up here. Talk us classic. Walk us through it.

[Greg Sirwanka]

So this is one of those, like, I just showed up and Sammy had just kind of gotten all. All these things.

[Interviewer/Host]

What a guy.

[Greg Sirwanka]

This dark glass rules. And then we got the little vintage deluxe, also from dark glass. So it's just a lot of. Kind of different overdrives.

[Interviewer/Host]

Yeah.

[Greg Sirwanka]

That I'm running through the goat.

[Tim Fleagle]

Yeah.

[Greg Sirwanka]

I mean, that's really, really all you need.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Greg Sirwanka]

You know, at this point. But I kind of got it paired, running it into the loop and then. Noisy as hell if you're doing that. So I also have an NS2 in the loop. Is there just to quiet it because

[Interviewer/Host]

is it a ground loop noise or is it just.

[Greg Sirwanka]

It's just noisy, like, without it. Enable it out. Yeah, Good to go.

[Interviewer/Host]

How often are you having the chorus on besides playing no More Tears Before Recreation?

[Greg Sirwanka]

Well, I mean, that's what, you know.

[Interviewer/Host]

Oh, wow.

[Colin]

God.

[Greg Sirwanka]

Hit that one, too.

[Interviewer/Host]

Renaissance main line.

[Greg Sirwanka]

Yeah, I've been rocking that. Obviously I turn it on for good. Good things a lot. Because I get a little silly on that song.

[Colin]

You get to take it for a walk.

[Tim Fleagle]

Yeah.

[Greg Sirwanka]

And then Stealing Happiness. That's really, you know, big debut of that because that song just cuts out, cuts in with just bass, you know.

[Interviewer/Host]

And dark glass, for those who don't know, are the hardware manufacturers for quad cortex. Hey, there you go. It's neural and dark glass make the quad cortex. They're doing everything and they. They make good.

[Colin]

So this is everything is this. Is this power amp and Amp and

[Greg Sirwanka]

power, the whole deal. And then we usually. Obviously we're doing a mic and then we're. I think we're doing a blend with like the di in the back coming out of the head.

[Colin]

Classic. So it's big rooms, you know, it's fun.

[Greg Sirwanka]

It's fun.

[Interviewer/Host]

And.

[Greg Sirwanka]

Yeah, and just the old sure that I've had.

[Colin]

You know what I like about the shure wireless tuner?

[Interviewer/Host]

What?

[Colin]

You got that. It says E flat.

[Greg Sirwanka]

Oh, yeah.

[Colin]

And not D. Whatever.

[Greg Sirwanka]

D sharp.

[Colin]

You know, who knows what that is?

[Greg Sirwanka]

E flat's your G hash.

[Colin]

I want to know it. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know.

[Walter Delgado]

I don't know.

[Colin]

D hashtag. I want to know E flat.

[Greg Sirwanka]

I want to. E. E Little B. Yeah.

[Interviewer/Host]

E little B.

[Colin]

Little B. E little B.

[Interviewer/Host]

Well, it sounds great. It's loud.

[Greg Sirwanka]

She's reliable. What else do you think?

[Interviewer/Host]

How do you like playing bass compared to shredding guitar?

[Greg Sirwanka]

I actually. My first instrument was. Was playing. I started out playing bass first, so I knew how to, like, have a good foundation of playing with my fingers and doing all. Doing all that fun stuff.

[Interviewer/Host]

Little slap.

[Greg Sirwanka]

It's been cool. And then I'd say with the one. I mean, the one guitar band, I mean, if you look at, like, all your classic One guitar bands, like, you got to be able to really fill it in with this department. Like, if it's two guitars, you can get some vacation kind of Limp Wrist. Not the cool band, but like just

[Interviewer/Host]

kind of up there and not the notable Chicago Straight Edge hardcore band.

[Greg Sirwanka]

And then I think. And I get downright silly with them, but I. I keep it all in there.

[Colin]

You're in the pocket.

[Greg Sirwanka]

You know, we're trying to do that classic Van Halen kind of Pantera. That's how it's feeling right now, you

[Colin]

know, and it doesn't feel that without a certified shredder.

[Gabe the Pigeon]

Yeah.

[Greg Sirwanka]

But on the low end, I'm having a blast. Like, it's. It's super fun. I've. I still play guitar in several other bands, so this is like a really fun. Kind of a combo breaker for that. But I still get to. I mean, getting to play with these dudes. These guys have always been super tight.

[Interviewer/Host]

Yeah.

[Greg Sirwanka]

So that's just always a blast. Like, especially playing with Tim. Oh, he's locking him. I mean, he's just so hard hit and consistent. Just, it's. It's great. It's great playing with these dudes. Like, it's. I wouldn't want to play with anyone else. It's so fun.

[Interviewer/Host]

You get the. The forearm burn, the rash.

[Greg Sirwanka]

Surprisingly, I don't think so.

[Interviewer/Host]

It's probably because you're wearing monster sweatbands, huh? Well, we'll fix that. We'll get you going.

[Greg Sirwanka]

Yeah, no, no rash. Just, I guess, technique, you know.

[Interviewer/Host]

He's got the skills.

[Colin]

He always has. I mean, I've known him for 20 years.

[Greg Sirwanka]

Probably instant messenger friends.

[Interviewer/Host]

Dude, what was your AIM screen name?

[Greg Sirwanka]

I think it was. I think it was gwexweggy.

[Colin]

I think it was. Yeah, it might have been. I feel like it might have been Greg Offense at some point.

[Greg Sirwanka]

Yeah, it could have been. It could have been.

[Sammy]

Yeah.

[Greg Sirwanka]

Either Gweky xweggy, Greg Offense, possibly those two.

[Colin]

I don't know.

[Interviewer/Host]

Good. We were all just booted up.

[Colin]

Let's. I'll bring it back.

[Interviewer/Host]

Boot it up.

[Greg Sirwanka]

That still exists.

[Colin]

We were chatting online, dude. We were sort of logging on.

[Greg Sirwanka]

Yeah, it's better. I feel like aim was better than just DMs. They're so cold and soulless.

[Interviewer/Host]

But I agree.

[Greg Sirwanka]

You get that away message.

[Interviewer/Host]

Feeling a little emotional. You put something. Yeah. A little ambiguous on there.

[Greg Sirwanka]

Yeah, we're really.

[Colin]

We're. No more tears.

[Interviewer/Host]

That's okay.

[Greg Sirwanka]

We're not talking about hardware anymore.

[Colin]

We've already highlighted the hardware.

[Interviewer/Host]

Yeah, well, thank you for that.

[Colin]

Now we got to talk about hardware.

[Greg Sirwanka]

Yeah.

[Sammy]

Wow.

[Colin]

You know, I always make it happen. All right, well, let's go check out Guitar World.

[Interviewer/Host]

Let's go to Guitar World. Thank you, Greg.

[Greg Sirwanka]

Thanks, fellas.

[Colin]

All right. Welcome, everybody. Back to the Hard Lore Hardware highlight. We're here with Cody Chavez from Drain.

[Walter Delgado]

Yes, sir.

[Colin]

Walk us through. What you got here?

[Walter Delgado]

Well, shit.

[Interviewer/Host]

Start with this bad boy.

[Beau]

Start with this bad boy.

[Interviewer/Host]

So pretty.

[Beau]

So, yeah. This is the MJ series Dinky. That was the first guitar that Jackson hooked me up with. So it's very sentimental, and it's probably one of my favorites that I have. Yeah, she got some Seymours in here.

[Interviewer/Host]

Do you know which one to.

[Beau]

I don't, actually. Yeah, but these. I mean, they sound good. And that's.

[Interviewer/Host]

They're screaming.

[Beau]

That's. To me, that's all that matters.

[Interviewer/Host]

Got the Floyd?

[Beau]

Yeah, I got the Floyd.

[Sammy]

Yeah.

[Interviewer/Host]

You know, you ever regret taking a Floyd on tour? Probably with the tech. It's not so bad. Yeah.

[Beau]

Now. But I mean, in the past for sure, dude. It's just, you know, takes forever.

[Interviewer/Host]

It is.

[Beau]

But once you have it hooked up and, you know.

[Interviewer/Host]

Yeah. Once it's locked in, you're all set.

[Beau]

Of course, man.

[Colin]

Beautiful. What's your favorite fret?

[Beau]

Favorite fret?

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Beau]

Second.

[Tim Fleagle]

Second.

[Colin]

Oh, Dark Horse.

[Interviewer/Host]

Yes. Straight up.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Beau]

Yeah. I just love that.

[Colin]

Cause then you can go back to the one and they're not. They don't see it coming. Oh, yeah.

[Interviewer/Host]

Or even the Open is big.

[Colin]

Oh, the Open is crazy. After two.

[Beau]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Interviewer/Host]

It's pretty. You know what I mean? Oh, okay.

[Tim Fleagle]

Okay.

[Beau]

Yeah.

[Interviewer/Host]

Hey, the first time anyone's ever said two.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Beau]

I think it's just the 80s metal in me, you know, I just. I really love that, you know.

[Interviewer/Host]

So is that F sharp?

[Beau]

I think that would.

[Interviewer/Host]

It's not G flat, right? It doesn't work that way.

[Beau]

F. Yeah, I think that'd be F sharp, right?

[Interviewer/Host]

Yeah, I know some things. Take us to Pedal World. Pedal World.

[Colin]

What do we got?

[Beau]

Shoot, man. Well, so this one right here, this Zool Coleman actually brought that with them. So I was. I had this hooked up to is I was double gating with. With both of the NS2s, but this one works a lot better.

[Interviewer/Host]

Ghostbusters.

[Beau]

Ghostbusters.

[Colin]

Zool Z. Oh, One of the dogs named after had a dog named Zool. Rip.

[Beau]

I got to go back and watch Ghostbusters. Yeah, dude. But, yeah, no, so I got. That sounded pretty good. It's giving me, you know, everything that I need. You Know, I'm able to sustain all my notes, and it's not taking away anything from my pinches or whatever. And.

[Colin]

Or when you're hitting those gentlemen. And you need that.

[Interviewer/Host]

You need it.

[Colin]

That intentional silence.

[Tim Fleagle]

Yeah.

[Interviewer/Host]

Clamps.

[Beau]

Yeah, it's definitely. It's working very well right now with. With the other NS2.

[Interviewer/Host]

So you're going tuner, tube, screamer, Zool.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Beau]

And that's going through the front, obviously. And then that the NS2 is going through the effects loop.

[Interviewer/Host]

Aha. Yeah, dude. An effects loop with an NS2. Or using the NS2 effects loop, the send, send and return on there. Exactly, exactly. And then the same chorus as Greg. I like that.

[Colin]

Yeah, yeah, we got synchronicity.

[Interviewer/Host]

You guys dial it in.

[Colin]

I see you have the polyamorous tuner.

[Beau]

Oh, dude, I love. I swear by the polytune man. I've never been a chromatic guy, ever.

[Colin]

Oh, I get it. Yeah. Our. My Eric. Eric's. Eric's Guitar Shop, Van Nuys, California. He's a polytune guy.

[Walter Delgado]

Hell, yeah.

[Beau]

You know, we all just kind of gravitate towards. But yeah, I mean, I've literally been using that since. Been using that since, you know, I was like, 1920.

[Walter Delgado]

So.

[Beau]

Yeah. And then. Yeah.

[Sammy]

Tube screamer.

[Beau]

Can't go wrong with that, little guy.

[Walter Delgado]

Yeah, little guy.

[Interviewer/Host]

You don't need much more. Yeah, this is the classic. Is that Ibanez tube yellow?

[Colin]

Yeah, yeah.

[Beau]

Really kind of got everything kind of in the noonish realm, you know.

[Interviewer/Host]

Yeah.

[Beau]

The tone a little dialed back.

[Oscar]

Dialed back.

[Colin]

That's right.

[Oscar]

You're not.

[Colin]

Yeah. You don't, like, need a crazy amount of gain just because you're so good.

[Interviewer/Host]

Well, and there's all in the finger.

[Colin]

It's truly like that.

[Interviewer/Host]

And then you got a DD8 at the end. Is that in the effects loop or is that.

[Beau]

Oh, yeah, that's in the effect loop.

[Interviewer/Host]

Yeah.

[Beau]

Cool.

[Interviewer/Host]

Yeah, Very nice.

[Beau]

Yeah, so. And I kind of just. I have it rigged up so where I can just kind of a one button kind of thing with that big foot.

[Interviewer/Host]

Big old foot. Yeah, the big.

[Beau]

Yeah, the size 13.

[Colin]

Good for you, man.

[Beau]

Yeah, man.

[Interviewer/Host]

And then he was on the foot,

[Beau]

and then the Rockman. So I had that when I was using the foot switch.

[Interviewer/Host]

Yeah.

[Beau]

Before I started doing the NST for

[Interviewer/Host]

the effects of this.

[Greg Sirwanka]

Yeah, yeah.

[Beau]

I had that rigged up with the super cores and the digital. Digital delay.

[Sammy]

And it sounded.

[Beau]

I mean, it sounds like Boston, you know?

[Walter Delgado]

Sure.

[Beau]

It was.

[Walter Delgado]

It was incredible.

[Beau]

But now that I have this system going that's just on there and maybe one day I'll throw it back in.

[Colin]

But eye candy.

[Interviewer/Host]

Yeah, let's like.

[Beau]

Oh, man, you got that?

[Colin]

Let's check out the amp.

[Tim Fleagle]

Let's check out.

[Interviewer/Host]

Show us the. The magic, the power.

[Tim Fleagle]

Look at that.

[Greg Sirwanka]

It's crazy.

[Beau]

So kind of sneak around here.

[Interviewer/Host]

Yeah, that's okay. Oh, wow. No, you're good, you're good.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Beau]

So obviously I like to scoop my

[Colin]

mids quite a bit.

[Beau]

Just get that thrash tone, you know.

[Colin]

Good for you, man.

[Walter Delgado]

Confident.

[Beau]

Yeah, man, I got the high about, you know, a little past noon.

[Interviewer/Host]

What channel is it?

[Beau]

Oh, it's on the red channel.

[Interviewer/Host]

Red channel. So the. The craziest one.

[Beau]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. When I was younger, I liked the blue channel for some reason.

[Interviewer/Host]

Same. I mean, that was the thing with the black letterheads was green. The green channel with the fucking like a tube screamer. Yeah, or like a HM2, you know, like that combo would work the best, but the headroom with the red and then dialing back the gain just a little bit. Yeah. Makes all the difference.

[Beau]

I think at the time when I was rocking the blue channel, I think I had like the super OD cross or whatever.

[Interviewer/Host]

Yeah, exactly.

[Beau]

At the time it worked. But now, you know, red channel for sure.

[Colin]

What do we got in this case here?

[Walter Delgado]

Yeah.

[Beau]

Oh, yeah, we got the Gator.

[Interviewer/Host]

Oh, Gator.

[Beau]

Right here.

[Tim Fleagle]

Yeah, yeah.

[Beau]

Shout out, Gator.

[Colin]

Big shout out Gatorader.

[Beau]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. These are like. Yeah. Game changer, man. I love these.

[Colin]

Who's he? Well, he is Michael Jackson.

[Beau]

Beautiful, huh?

[Interviewer/Host]

With Jackson pickups. What kind of pickups are do you have?

[Beau]

I don't know. Again, I says as long as they sound good, man, that's like, oh, I really care about them.

[Interviewer/Host]

I've never seen that. If you don't mind.

[Walter Delgado]

Yeah, go for it.

[Sammy]

Knob.

[Colin]

Switch.

[Sammy]

Knob.

[Interviewer/Host]

Knob.

[Colin]

The very rare knob. Switch. Knob.

[Interviewer/Host]

Made in Mexico. Love that.

[Colin]

Oh, yeah, that's good.

[Interviewer/Host]

That's good. I feel that. It feels good.

[Colin]

Good. Haptics.

[Beau]

Yeah, you get a nice little grip on there, you know, go to the top pickup.

[Interviewer/Host]

So you're all Floyd.

[Beau]

Yeah, yeah.

[Interviewer/Host]

There's another guitar we're going to look at.

[Beau]

Oh, yeah, definitely. Yeah. I'm all Floyd, man. I used to be only a fixed bridge guy when I was a kid. And that's because I was so afraid

[Interviewer/Host]

of, of course of that.

[Colin]

And then, you know, and then that became part of your soul, part of the thing.

[Interviewer/Host]

Yeah, yeah, of course.

[Colin]

Yeah. This is your third arm right here.

[Interviewer/Host]

Yeah, basically.

[Beau]

Yeah, yeah.

[Interviewer/Host]

So show us the. The final the pride. Yeah.

[Beau]

Let's do it, man.

[Interviewer/Host]

Been a topic of discussion this man and his music for the last two days, man.

[Beau]

Yeah. So this is definitely. I would put this up. These are probably both my favorite guitars that I have.

[Colin]

Okay.

[Beau]

Randy Rhodes V. My. One of my first real guitars ever was a Dean Dave Mustaine signature.

[Interviewer/Host]

Yeah.

[Beau]

And then I hadn't had a V until, you know, a couple years ago and now this is one of my goats, man. I love it. Feels great.

[Interviewer/Host]

It's awesome. So it's funny how such a little change makes it such a cool looking built for speed.

[Walter Delgado]

Oh, yeah.

[Interviewer/Host]

You know, it surely is.

[Beau]

It's like sometimes, you know, when I. Whenever I bring this on tour, I like, kind of like to do this whole, like, oh, like I'll do the V this day and then the next day I'll do this one and you know, kind of have a system. But I love this one so much that there will be times I'm like, last night, just do that. We'll play it again, you know.

[Interviewer/Host]

Is the scale different on these? It feels short.

[Beau]

It. I think it is a little short. Yeah. I want to say that this is.

[Colin]

Oh, yeah.

[Interviewer/Host]

Feels. It feels comfy. Comfy. Code seven's right there, right?

[Colin]

What does the pickup sound, Seymour?

[Sammy]

Donkey, maybe.

[Beau]

And some people don't like the whole, you know, when you're sitting down with the V, you know, So I mean, you like.

[Interviewer/Host]

That is the drawback of Explorers and these is you can't.

[Beau]

Yeah, I hate. Because Explorer. You can only have it.

[Tim Fleagle]

Oh, I like it.

[Interviewer/Host]

Yeah. It feels crazy.

[Tim Fleagle]

Yeah.

[Beau]

You know?

[Walter Delgado]

Yeah.

[Interviewer/Host]

Wow. What was the first two. What was the first guitar you ever owned?

[Beau]

It was some shitty Ibanez that my cousin Sarah gave to me. I don't remember what model was, but like I said, my first real one that I paid my own money was 200 bucks.

[Interviewer/Host]

The Dean.

[Beau]

It was the Dean. Dave Estaina. All black.

[Oscar]

All black.

[Interviewer/Host]

Oh, yeah. Was it the Rest in Peace one?

[Beau]

I was gonna say no, it's just

[Interviewer/Host]

the COVID art one is pretty cool.

[Beau]

I remember that they had the COVID art one at. It was this place called Wise Music in Salinas where I'm from. And I remember they had that. But I wanted the black one. Yeah.

[Interviewer/Host]

Easy.

[Colin]

Can we ask you to play your favorite A drain riff?

[Beau]

Yeah.

[Colin]

And your favorite. Just line check riff real quick.

[Beau]

Yeah, we can definitely do that. I'm gonna go with.

[Colin]

And as we know in music, everything comes from somewhere. What. What were the main sources of inspiration?

[Beau]

Dude, literally nothing, man. That's awesome. It literally, the story is like me and Tim were just jamming. We're waiting for Sammy to come to practice. And I just started playing that. And then Tim was just like, oh, I'm just gonna put a beat to that. And Sammy walked in, he was like, damn.

[Colin]

And then I think we're pretty good.

[Beau]

I wasn't thinking of anything. I wasn't thinking of any like, oh, I should do a riff like this. It just. Just came to me.

[Interviewer/Host]

Yeah. Hit us with your sound check riff.

[Beau]

Sound check riff.

[Interviewer/Host]

So I'm going guitar, go stage left.

[Beau]

I'm going to hit some effects right now. This is my go.

[Sammy]

That was two.

[Interviewer/Host]

Gotta get the course.

[Colin]

Play the course, Jakey Lee.

[Beau]

That.

[Interviewer/Host]

That is a riff.

[Colin]

He lives. So who's having fun?

[Beau]

Yeah.

[Colin]

One of the lead singles off the new record is your friend, kind of a sonic departure. But you're building off of the kind of like you took what you did with the Descendants cover from the last record, made it your own, added some thrash elements to it. Can you walk us through the solo in the song?

[Beau]

Yeah, yeah. So do.

[Colin]

What more do you want?

[Interviewer/Host]

You know that trend dump into the A if. I don't know if it's in standard tuning, but into the five. Very. Eruption has to feel great.

[Colin]

Right. So the beginning of it, the phrasing is the chorus melody in a different key. Vocally, was the. Were the V. Was. Was this done last?

[Beau]

This was done, yeah, definitely done last for sure. Yeah. Cuz the actual. The vocal melodies.

[Interviewer/Host]

Very cool.

[Colin]

Weezer.

[Beau]

Yeah, just some. Some I thought of. But yeah, I love it.

[Interviewer/Host]

That's awesome. Did you write it all or did you piece it together?

[Beau]

So actually the. How it started was Sammy wrote the bass line for it, but it was like the notes were slightly different.

[Interviewer/Host]

I mean the solo specific.

[Beau]

Oh, sorry, the solo specifically. Yeah, no, I just kind of how I wrap my souls. I just kind of sit there, just kind of bump the track and then just kind of loop it. Just kind of loop it, I guess.

[Interviewer/Host]

Like piece it together again. Like Eruption esque, you know.

[Beau]

And actually in the original one, I forgot even when I did. But I didn't have the idea to kind of match the vocal melody at first a little bit. It was like some. Some I was doing down here. But then I was like, oh, I think it'd be cool to intro it with that kind of. But like slightly different.

[Colin]

Big time.

[Interviewer/Host]

Those are the details.

[Beau]

Yeah.

[Interviewer/Host]

That make things stick in people's nuance,

[Colin]

you know, Sets you apart.

[Interviewer/Host]

Very good.

[Colin]

That's why you get the Palm trees and the. And the chair and the.

[Interviewer/Host]

Whatever that is.

[Beau]

Lifesaver.

[Colin]

And eight. Eight cabs.

[Beau]

Oh, yeah, the power.

[Colin]

Awesome. Well, thank you so much for the hardware highlight.

[Beau]

Hell, yeah.

[Colin]

We'll catch. We'll catch up with you in a second. All right, we're here with Tim Fleagle, drummer from Trane.

[Tim Fleagle]

Hello.

[Colin]

It's a Hard Lore hardware highlight, and I want to see what kit you're rocking, what cymbals you're rocking, what pedals you're rocking. Tell me everything.

[Tim Fleagle]

Absolutely. Let me start with the shells. Yeah, this is a beautiful Ludwig Vistalite acrylic kit.

[Colin]

Sure is.

[Coleman]

It's one of the reissues.

[Interviewer/Host]

Is it yours or are you renting it?

[Tim Fleagle]

It's mine. Yeah, I bought it pretty recently. This is the first tour it's done, so I'm psyched to break it in.

[Colin]

And the ocean blue is intentional, I would think, right?

[Tim Fleagle]

Honestly? Yeah, I love blue, but also it kind of works with our band, so

[Interviewer/Host]

it's more than kind of.

[Tim Fleagle]

So. Yeah, it just. Yeah, I love it, man. It's cool.

[Colin]

Symbol wise. Have you always been a Zildjian guy?

[Gabe the Pigeon]

Not really.

[Tim Fleagle]

Like, when I first started playing drums, I used Zildjian just because I saw Travis Barker playing Zildjian. I was like, I gotta play Zildjian. But then over the years, I was pasty for a bit, just with pasty rudes. And then I found my way back to Zildjian just because I like them. They sound nice and bright and pretty.

[Interviewer/Host]

Hit us with numbers for shells and symbols.

[Tim Fleagle]

Oh, yeah, of course.

[Interviewer/Host]

Get them all.

[Tim Fleagle]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, of course. So I run a very standard one of one downside. I've always have 22 by 14 inch kick drum, 13 by 13 rack tom, 16 by 16 inch floor tom.

[Interviewer/Host]

That's standard.

[Colin]

Oh, yeah.

[Tim Fleagle]

You know what I mean?

[Interviewer/Host]

Yeah.

[Tim Fleagle]

The basic rock kit.

[Colin]

I mean, that's like the hardcore kit, right?

[Sammy]

Yeah.

[Colin]

When you get into rock is when that bigger second rack comes big.

[Tim Fleagle]

Right.

[Colin]

And you. I mean, this is.

[Tim Fleagle]

Well, and I was doing the 12 inch rack for a bit, but I switched to the 13 just because.

[Colin]

I don't know, just a little bigger power.

[Interviewer/Host]

Well, it's more, isn't it?

[Colin]

It's one more is more is more and better is better.

[Tim Fleagle]

Exactly what we got here. That is a. I actually don't even

[Colin]

know what that is.

[Tim Fleagle]

I switch these out a lot. A 20 inch custom A on the left. We got a medium ride, 20 inch

[Colin]

straight up ride as you're.

[Tim Fleagle]

Yeah, it's just a Little thicker and I was kind of, you know, tired of cracking them. These things are expensive so you know. You know how it is.

[Colin]

The china is an interesting story. Let's get back here. Let's get back here. Tight on this china. Yeah. Come on back here.

[Interviewer/Host]

Why don't you go back? Go around back. I'll stay right here.

[Colin]

How much does this china cost?

[Tim Fleagle]

I think that was $50.

[Colin]

$50. Whereas every other symbol in the world is about 400 now. So tell me why you do the Wuhan China rather than a typical Zillow.

[Tim Fleagle]

So I was. I was doing the 18 inch.

[Colin]

The what?

[Tim Fleagle]

I think it's the. The oriental trash china. I want to make sure I got that name right. I think. Not this one. I was playing that one and then I always bought these cuz they're so cheap. But I just love the way.

[Colin]

And they're classic, dude.

[Tim Fleagle]

They're classic.

[Colin]

Classic sound.

[Tim Fleagle]

If you're broke and you want to play a china still and you don't want that thing.

[Greg Sirwanka]

Yeah.

[Interviewer/Host]

I was just going to say why

[Colin]

don't you give us one with a snare?

[Greg Sirwanka]

Yeah.

[Interviewer/Host]

Plug up.

[Greg Sirwanka]

Yeah.

[Tim Fleagle]

I actually don't have plugs in so

[Walter Delgado]

Shot.

[Colin]

That's classic China.

[Tim Fleagle]

Wow. I love it, man. Sammy loves the Wuhan too.

[Colin]

I know.

[Interviewer/Host]

What's your. What scenario are you using here?

[Tim Fleagle]

This is a. What is it? A 14 by 6 and a half black beauty. Also pretty new.

[Colin]

One of the greats.

[Interviewer/Host]

One of the greats. I know that.

[Tim Fleagle]

Yeah. I was using the universal brass. But I. I do like this one a lot. It just.

[Colin]

Are you big overtone guy with a black beauty? You kind of have to be. Kind of have to be.

[Tim Fleagle]

Yeah.

[Colin]

Sings.

[Interviewer/Host]

What's an overtone?

[Colin]

Overtone? Well you get. But you get.

[Interviewer/Host]

Aha.

[Greg Sirwanka]

That's the overtone.

[Interviewer/Host]

Okay.

[Colin]

Yeah. Black beauty is I never famous for a bit.

[Interviewer/Host]

I would imagine the brass would as well. Is that.

[Tim Fleagle]

I mean that's any metal snare kind of.

[Sammy]

Right?

[Greg Sirwanka]

Yeah.

[Interviewer/Host]

Okay.

[Tim Fleagle]

I never, I never. I never gel my snares too because I do. I just like natural sounding drums.

[Interviewer/Host]

I love the way that moon gel feels. I touch it all.

[Colin]

Oh, it's good. It's like the slappy hand can't stop.

[Interviewer/Host]

Yeah, it is. You're right. Totally. What about these hats?

[Tim Fleagle]

Okay.

[Greg Sirwanka]

So these.

[Tim Fleagle]

I actually switched these out for this tour I was playing. I normally do 15 inch. I think the case. Sweet hats crispy but I. I love these 14 inch newbie. Hi hats. I heard that Carter Buford from Dave Matthews.

[Colin]

DMB brother. You know what it is.

[Tim Fleagle]

You know what it is? He unbelievable drummer.

[Beau]

Unbelievable drum.

[Tim Fleagle]

Like, one of my favorite drummers of all time. I literally heard that he played those, and I was like, that's the first

[Colin]

hi hat I ever owned.

[Greg Sirwanka]

Was it?

[Tim Fleagle]

It was the newbie in 14.

[Interviewer/Host]

Me?

[Greg Sirwanka]

Yeah.

[Interviewer/Host]

No, no. In a size 14.

[Colin]

Oh, yeah. Same. No, yeah, exactly.

[Tim Fleagle]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Colin]

From age 14, I was like, how did you know?

[Tim Fleagle]

I know you, dude.

[Interviewer/Host]

He's a great drummer. Yeah.

[Tim Fleagle]

So I just love the way they sound, honestly. And, yeah, I don't know. This is my first time actually ever touring with these. These are what I practiced with at home. So I was like, just gonna.

[Colin]

What do you think so far?

[Greg Sirwanka]

I love them.

[Tim Fleagle]

I freaking love them. And I'm just. I don't know. I don't really notice too much of a difference between 15 inch and 14 inch. I know there's haters out there.

[Colin]

Like, it's just weight, you know, response.

[Interviewer/Host]

Have you ever gotta fix your clutch in the middle of a set?

[Tim Fleagle]

All the time.

[Interviewer/Host]

Now this is what we need to make. We need to rework.

[Colin]

Dude. They're trying with these weird clutch thingamajigs that do all these different things, and they don't work either.

[Interviewer/Host]

But let's fix it. Let's do it.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Interviewer/Host]

Get in contact with us. We want to do this.

[Tim Fleagle]

Actually, I want to ask you a question.

[Colin]

Ask me.

[Tim Fleagle]

So with these, you've played these two. These two leg dw.

[Interviewer/Host]

Yeah.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Tim Fleagle]

So something I noticed that happens all the time is the stem comes un.

[Colin]

Stem comes undone, and then you're like, mid set, you're screwed. You're ruined. Right.

[Interviewer/Host]

Because it's all closed or it's loose. Closed, right?

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Tim Fleagle]

And you can't. Tightening this does not.

[Colin]

You can't pull that up when a microphone's attached. Re screw, get it back down.

[Interviewer/Host]

It's a yes. And you know what else? When you're in the middle of drumming, there's no way to tell someone what's wrong.

[Colin]

You can't go screw the thing back in.

[Interviewer/Host]

Yeah.

[Tim Fleagle]

Because you have to actually, you know, you have to take this off. Take this off. Undo that. You can't do that.

[Gabe the Pigeon]

Mid set.

[Colin]

I like a three leg with the thing bent. Do you know? Oh, yeah.

[Tim Fleagle]

Okay.

[Colin]

Bend it in.

[Tim Fleagle]

Do you put it over the pedal or do you kind of like angle it like that over the pedal?

[Greg Sirwanka]

Okay.

[Tim Fleagle]

You don't feel like that gets in the way? No, I'm not. I'm not a big double kick guy, but I mean.

[Colin]

But you listen.

[Interviewer/Host]

Well, speaking.

[Colin]

You don't need to know anything.

[Interviewer/Host]

You got what I. What I know to be the goat that everybody uses for your kick pedal.

[Sammy]

Dude.

[Interviewer/Host]

What do we got?

[Tim Fleagle]

The 9,000.

[Interviewer/Host]

That's the one, right?

[Tim Fleagle]

That's a goat I like.

[Greg Sirwanka]

You're.

[Interviewer/Host]

You're a DW guy, right?

[Colin]

I'm a 9,000.

[Tim Fleagle]

Are you, dude?

[Interviewer/Host]

So I. I think Chris is as well.

[Tim Fleagle]

Yeah.

[Interviewer/Host]

Yeah.

[Tim Fleagle]

Love Chris Mills. Shout out, Chris Mills.

[Interviewer/Host]

Shout out, Chris Mills. My favorite guy.

[Tim Fleagle]

I. I grew up playing single pedal. I didn't. I never played double pedal until. Until I started draining. I was just like, I'm just gonna try to do this. But I always played a 5000 single pedal. And then when I got double pedal, I went to the 9,000. So I don't really know the bigger number. Bigger is better. Always more is more. Yeah. I love them, man. I love them.

[Colin]

I see you're a 5B stick guy.

[Tim Fleagle]

I was.

[Greg Sirwanka]

I am, yeah.

[Colin]

Then what the hell is this? These are.

[Interviewer/Host]

It's Hell Hammer.

[Tim Fleagle]

I like to practice with marching sticks.

[Colin]

Ah.

[Tim Fleagle]

I was a marching band kid.

[Colin]

That makes your snare efficiency make sense to me.

[Interviewer/Host]

Yeah. How's our grouping here? Oh, she's new still.

[Tim Fleagle]

Yeah.

[Interviewer/Host]

But pretty good. Yeah.

[Tim Fleagle]

Yeah, Yeah. I changed that right before we left. Yeah, I was. I was 2B for the longest time, and then I. I switched to 5B, so I. You know, I don't know.

[Colin]

Do you notice a benefit?

[Tim Fleagle]

Not really, to be honest. I don't know. I don't really.

[Colin]

I like the 2B weight.

[Greg Sirwanka]

Yeah.

[Colin]

But when you go down to 5B for a day, you're like, oh, I'm so fast.

[Interviewer/Host]

Ah, right.

[Sammy]

Yeah.

[Interviewer/Host]

Are they just lighter or is it shorter?

[Colin]

Just lighter and shorter. I think it also depends on the. The Vic Firth 5B versus the Pro Mark 5.

[Interviewer/Host]

You ever see videos about how they pair sticks?

[Greg Sirwanka]

No.

[Interviewer/Host]

They pair the tonality and the resonance of every stick that is paired together.

[Colin]

That's why they're $20 a pair, straight up. So when you're asking drummers like Tim after a set, can I please have a stick? Please can I have a stick? I think we'd all rather send you $9 at this point than give you the stick. We need the stick.

[Tim Fleagle]

They are expensive, so I apologize if I'm not able to get all of them.

[Interviewer/Host]

You ever get. You ever toss sticks?

[Tim Fleagle]

No.

[Interviewer/Host]

Scary.

[Colin]

$9, dude.

[Greg Sirwanka]

It's like no one.

[Tim Fleagle]

Also, no one wants my drumstick.

[Colin]

I promise. No, that's not their dad.

[Greg Sirwanka]

That's not true.

[Colin]

So what is this? You do this, dude.

[Tim Fleagle]

Okay. I don't know what? Like, recently, I've been. My hands have been getting so sweaty. I don't know if you ever experienced that.

[Colin]

Yeah, but they just. You let them fly, and then you pull one out of your ass.

[Tim Fleagle]

That's horrifying to me. So, yeah, it's like, midway through this, my hands have just been getting unbearably sweaty and, like, I don't know why that all of a sudden started. So I. I was, like, chalking them for a bit, and then that was weird. And then. Yeah, I just. I don't know. I try this.

[Colin]

Is this working?

[Tim Fleagle]

Yes, I think so.

[Colin]

Does it shred you harder if. Yes.

[Tim Fleagle]

To answer your question, yes, it does.

[Interviewer/Host]

They have liquid chalk.

[Tim Fleagle]

I heard about that, too.

[Interviewer/Host]

Could be an option.

[Tim Fleagle]

I never wanted to do anything. I was just. I just want to play normal drumsticks, and I always start the set with normal drumsticks.

[Colin]

Is it the length of the set, perhaps?

[Greg Sirwanka]

No, because we don't.

[Tim Fleagle]

We still don't even play. I don't know why. I don't know why.

[Interviewer/Host]

I don't know.

[Tim Fleagle]

Well, I don't know.

[Interviewer/Host]

You want to hit us with your favorite line? Check. Sound check. Drum.

[Tim Fleagle]

Yeah, I'm pretty basic, but I will.

[Colin]

That's okay.

[Tim Fleagle]

Yeah, I just like to. Like to incorporate all the drums.

[Interviewer/Host]

And what would.

[Colin]

What would Carter Buford do?

[Tim Fleagle]

Something like that, but way better. Like, not even close.

[Colin]

Oh, look at that. Jesus. Nobody's even gonna see that. That's just for you.

[Tim Fleagle]

I have no affiliation with Ludwig. I just love Ludwig. Every time. I mean, like, a lot of the times, it's like we use a rental kit, and every time it's been a Ludwig, I'm like, I love. I love this. I love these drums. I love, Like, I don't know. So I kind of just went for it. I bought all this myself, and I just. I just love the brand. I have a Ludwig carpet, too.

[Colin]

You really do? I do.

[Tim Fleagle]

I just. I just committed to it, man. I was like, I'm gonna. I'm gonna buy the acrylic kit. I'm gonna buy the throne. I'm gonna buy the.

[Colin]

That's called manifestation, my brother.

[Interviewer/Host]

Yeah.

[Colin]

So, Ludwig, if you're watching. Mr. Beethoven, please. Mr. Vaughn. Beethoven.

[Sammy]

Yeah.

[Interviewer/Host]

Yeah.

[Greg Sirwanka]

But.

[Colin]

Yeah, this is beautiful.

[Interviewer/Host]

This is great.

[Tim Fleagle]

Thank you, guys.

[Colin]

Can't wait to see it in action. All right, we're back with the Hard Lore hardware highlight. Sammy, you've got a couple extra tasks during this set other than just singing

[Interviewer/Host]

and conjuring, you know, I've got some

[Sammy]

conjuring I got sing is a really. It's an overstatement, but I'll be doing something in the mic. But I've got my own. I got my own rigs. I got my own gear. I actually came with. I've got props. I got my old thing here, you know.

[Colin]

Let's see it all.

[Sammy]

Okay, so. Well, so I don't know what we should start with, but the only real thing I need. So this saved us a whole sound person. And there's not a knock at sound people. I just didn't. We hired someone so I could play one sample and then I realized I could just do it from a pedal. Yeah, I have one pedal. I don't even know what this is. I kind of figured out how to do it. I dubbed it off my phone. We do a little the song with Shakewell. So I do my little thing midway. There we go. That's all me, baby.

[Colin]

He did that, dude.

[Sammy]

Oh, you want some drums on there? I don't know what that is. I just turned that off. I don't know how to get rid of it. I don't know what that is. And I got some other fun stuff I like to play with.

[Colin]

Damn, son. Where'd you find it?

[Beau]

You know?

[Sammy]

Well, McLovin, lots of tricks up my sleeve. I got my own. I was just showing this. I got my. So this my own piece of hard case. I got my little stickers with the Evan Moses, the 81, I think 818.

[Colin]

Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah.

[Sammy]

Mainstay. There's. There's no AI on this. That's just all fat face landing as all the fat. My face pulled you on. And.

[Colin]

And he's so proud of that photo.

[Sammy]

Dude. I think he framed. I was like, you know, we really could keep this off the wraps and off the grid, but then that's why

[Colin]

it's on the backside.

[Sammy]

Yeah, his backside. I was like, well, if anyone asks, like, yo, who's is this? I'm like, I promise you it's mine now.

[Interviewer/Host]

Sammy, I see you brought along. You chose the aquamentor. Yeah, the Aqua for this tour.

[Sammy]

Well, okay. We realized that pretty much every show doesn't have a barricade. We're like, we should just do something cool with it. I would prefer to play on the floor everywhere if I could. That's just not always in the cards. So the stages are bigger. I don't know. Let's have fun with it. So we're going to build a lifeguard tower. Then we just figured we just actually buy one. So shout Out Aquamentor. They did not hook it up. But you know, next time, future reference, this thing got a little. Little wobble.

[Colin]

Little wobble. Oh, good. Good.

[Sammy]

This is the best seat in the house.

[Tim Fleagle]

Truly.

[Sammy]

You know, player cards, right? You could end up on here one of these days.

[Colin]

Wow. Tower, dude.

[Sammy]

We'll see.

[Interviewer/Host]

But yeah, and then. Yeah, tell us about the PMP40.

[Sammy]

The PMP40, which runs on four

[Walter Delgado]

of

[Colin]

the big ass batteries which were not included.

[Sammy]

Not included. Yeah. What the hell? Pile. Yeah, dude, I figure we're going to put the tower up here. We should put a lifeguard up here.

[Greg Sirwanka]

Yeah.

[Sammy]

And lifeguards got this.

[Colin]

And so what can this thing do?

[Interviewer/Host]

Take us through the pedal training.

[Sammy]

All right.

[Beau]

So check it out.

[Sammy]

So to get on, I got. Oh, so it does work like this is way better.

[Interviewer/Host]

Okay.

[Sammy]

But in case you want to be

[Interviewer/Host]

real fancy but for pictures sake. It shows. The light is incredible.

[Sammy]

Yeah, this dope.

[Beau]

Love it.

[Sammy]

Absolutely love it. We got this. We're talking a little megaphone. We got a little alarm if you want to just let people know the majesty is coming. Heads up. Heads up.

[Colin]

What if I'm watching Drain and I want a little break from the heavy riffs. I want to hear a little Mozart.

[Sammy]

Oh, you want a little Mozart. Gotcha.

[Colin]

I know that one.

[Interviewer/Host]

That's beautiful.

[Sammy]

At whatever frequency that is.

[Colin]

That hurts.

[Sammy]

Dog whistle level.

[Greg Sirwanka]

Yes.

[Sammy]

We got this. I think. I think our man marks me up in here.

[Interviewer/Host]

Okay. And then there's of course some accessories.

[Sammy]

We got some accessories. Yeah, this thing which actually I realized this is gonna really hit someone hard. So we're gonna probably take that off.

[Interviewer/Host]

Probably take that off.

[Sammy]

But yeah, dude's tossing. You know, it's gonna.

[Colin]

We're just gonna get them.

[Sammy]

Yeah, we're gonna do. We're gonna do it right, man. We gotta look rope, man. Dude. Oh, we're gonna get Gabe the pigeon now. See, we're gonna check this out. We're gonna rope him right here.

[Interviewer/Host]

Oh, yeah, yeah. We gotta practice. We gotta practice.

[Sammy]

Yeah, I got. See, that's why I'm not in the tower.

[Interviewer/Host]

And then of course, there is one more really important piece of equipment.

[Sammy]

Oh, we got.

[Interviewer/Host]

We gotta do it.

[Sammy]

This is. This will come out after the first.

[Tim Fleagle]

Yeah.

[Interviewer/Host]

Okay. So we don't know.

[Sammy]

Hopefully we're gonna cut to this actually working right now. Okay.

[Interviewer/Host]

But he's a natural.

[Sammy]

Yeah.

[Colin]

Complete disaster.

[Interviewer/Host]

Yeah.

[Sammy]

So it's also a little bigger than we thought.

[Colin]

Yes, it's bigger than the tower.

[Sammy]

So actually a little. Some true hard lore.

[Colin]

Hit me.

[Sammy]

Played fya I'm playing the set with one song in and then I see these people emerging up to me on some vessel and I don't understand how they're doing this. And they've ripped the door off of the stall in the bathroom and they're surfing up to me. And in that moment, amongst all the chaos and confusion, I'm like clocking this in. Like, that's a great idea. We should do that the other way. Since it's a barricade and kids can't do that, I can go out to them. So we got. I actually don't know how to get it out from back here, but.

[Interviewer/Host]

And let's just say as. As inspirational as that moment was at fya.

[Colin]

Don't do that, don't do that.

[Interviewer/Host]

Don't make that a thing. But it was inspirational.

[Colin]

It was cool.

[Sammy]

Life imitates art, or art imitates life. Yeah, we got this hundred dollar thing full of air and I'm hoping I

[Colin]

can hand pumped, by the way.

[Interviewer/Host]

Yeah, he did it.

[Sammy]

I'm hoping we could carry this out and I'm hoping I can. We did a test run last night. We did a little test run. It took six guys and I got on it.

[Interviewer/Host]

Let's see.

[Sammy]

Yeah, I mean, again, I'm not a real surfer. I have no idea what the fuck's going on here. I can't really swim, so I hope I can land on it, but I'm. I'm thinking I could just get this down there and, you know, get up and do the thing and pop it up and have a mic and do it, you know, we'll see. So hopefully this pans out. Well, if not, it is full of air, but it's kind of hard. So.

[Interviewer/Host]

Yeah, I think it'll be okay.

[Sammy]

And you know, who knows? I think calling a boat might be going on this Detroit. I heard Detroit, that they're going on it.

[Colin]

That's true.

[Sammy]

I don't know if that's true or not. We're gonna find out.

[Colin]

Cut to that, cut to that. Boom.

[Sammy]

Yeah, we got our little palm trees, we got seven the scene right, you know, make it look right. Backdrop coming in. We keep joking that as the tour goes on, we're just going to keep adding more nonsense by the end, like sand and then just. But yeah, no, it'll be fun.

[Interviewer/Host]

You know, I think I heard a rumor about sand. Didn't you want to do sand at

[Sammy]

one point when we first, I was like, that's crazy, dude. We did.

[Beau]

I.

[Sammy]

Trying to think. We did a knock Tour. And they had, like, the crazy trees.

[Interviewer/Host]

Oh, yeah, they were.

[Sammy]

I never seen that. And I was like, wow, that's like, this is just so cool.

[Colin]

But there's a reason they didn't have sand.

[Sammy]

They didn't have a. Yeah, dude. I think it was. We put some shows. We had some shows with King nine other with Tongues playing. One of them says, like, yo, we want to buy a bunch of sandbags and crabs.

[Colin]

Oh, Geon.

[Interviewer/Host]

Yeah.

[Sammy]

It's like, that's so sick. We're not gonna do that. But, yeah, who knows? By the end of week four, maybe we will. But that's. That's my full rig rundown.

[Colin]

Yeah, that's your thing.

[Sammy]

Yeah, the hardware.

[Interviewer/Host]

Hardware highlight.

[Walter Delgado]

Hard lower.

[Sammy]

Hardware highlight.

[Interviewer/Host]

Thank you.

[Colin]

Thank you. You killed that. Can we talk about the song? Who's having fun for a second?

[Sammy]

Oh, dude. Oh, yeah, we can.

[Colin]

So everybody has said that you kind of singularly brought this skeleton in and then they crafted it from there. Wolf brought this thing on, dude.

[Sammy]

So. Okay, so we actually have a bass player now. We got Greg. He's a goat, as you saw his rundown. But for this last record, I tracked bass on it. I kind of did. I helped out with the writing, but I can't. I got two fingers. That's all I really know. I can't really go between much. So I was just like, if I can kind of play something that sounds. I don't know, it's simple. It's what I can do. And I bring it to code, that becomes what it is.

[Tim Fleagle]

Sure.

[Sammy]

So I just was noodling around, and before we even started, like, writing the record, it was just playing, and then I just went to practice. Hey, this is, like, kind of cool because we tried the first version. We changed one. One note. The first version made a very pop punk.

[Colin]

Ah, you don't want that.

[Sammy]

You don't want it. It's like this.

[Colin]

You don't quite want that. Yeah, right.

[Sammy]

Nothing else changed. We just change one note and then that's what it is.

[Beau]

But yeah. Yeah.

[Colin]

And is this informed off of the Descendants cover from the. From the record before that. My brother didn't think he should put on the record, dude.

[Sammy]

Okay. More hard lore. Yeah. No, you know what? Like, I don't want to say yes, but in a way, yes. It wasn't like, like, yo, this is. We can make money or something.

[Colin]

Well, just.

[Sammy]

It.

[Colin]

Just experimenting with other dude.

[Interviewer/Host]

And it's just in the DNA of

[Colin]

where you come from, the culture, dude.

[Sammy]

When we did that song straight up, we were like, we did the COVID We're like, I don't even know if we'll ever play this live. I. I still. That was three years ago. I came out. I still am learning every day how to sing a little better. I don't think I'm, you know, I'm getting there. I'm not putting myself down. But I'm not like a. It was never like, yo, I think I'm such a good singer.

[Interviewer/Host]

We should do this.

[Sammy]

You know?

[Walter Delgado]

But we did it.

[Sammy]

And we're like, I don't even know if we'll ever play it live. I don't know if people would want it live. Let's try it. And it was, like, pretty immediate. Like, oh, dude, kids, this looks just like how every other song looks like. It's not like a weird, like, you know, kids are surfing, they're piling up, they're singing along. So, yes, we're like, okay, that fits in our set. It doesn't take away. It adds. So maybe it would be cool to try that, but on our own. So, yes, very long with ways.

[Colin]

No, you did great.

[Interviewer/Host]

No, that makes a lot sense.

[Colin]

How does Monster play into the crazy things that you do?

[Sammy]

Dude, Monster rocks, man. Straight up. And I'm not just saying that because I'm on a mic, but that honestly, like. And when they first hit, when did the kid say Tim? Yeah, when Tim hit us up via email. I'll be honest, was so apprehensive. I was just like, I don't know. This is. You know, I just don't really know.

[Interviewer/Host]

It seems foreign.

[Sammy]

It seems really foreign. We did a call, and it was just. All that I could have ever asked to hear was like, hey, man, we don't want you to be something or not. We don't want to take away. Just want to help you get to the next level and want to make it a little bit of an easier. Want to help you do your thing.

[Interviewer/Host]

You find out that guy saw the Misfit. It's an 82, and you go, okay, dude, we.

[Colin]

He's for scum.

[Sammy]

Oh, dude, he's. We're just sitting there, just getting the stories. Like, dude, can you tell us about. I mean, all. Dude, I love Anthrax. Like, yo, you went. You went, dude, when sod, like, dropped. You heard the demo version.

[Interviewer/Host]

Tell me about that.

[Sammy]

You know, like, all that. It's.

[Walter Delgado]

It's dope.

[Sammy]

That's who you want in the corner, and it makes you feel good knowing that you got someone backing you that actually understands it, you know? So it's kind of a no brainer. I think I know the other couple generations past had already done it. I think we were the first in our generation to like, do like an outbreak.

[Colin]

I could see that. Yeah, I think so.

[Sammy]

Not that mat did it first, but, you know, it's a little bit of

[Walter Delgado]

like a. I don't know.

[Colin]

I mean, there's a risk there are

[Sammy]

people going to trip or whatever. And D was like, everyone was stoked.

[Colin]

Yeah, I was on it. It was great, man.

[Sammy]

Like, oh, hey, we pulled the venue. There's like a monster truck pulled up out front. There's cases of. Everyone's got like, we all went full, like, bandana mode, you know?

[Interviewer/Host]

Garth.

[Sammy]

Yeah, yeah. It's sick, man. But it's in it. You know what? It helps us to just do what we want to do and bring our vision to life. This, this stuff. These are the types of things that doesn't happen. We don't get to roll in comfort for a month, you know, like, not that we need that, but if you have it.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Sammy]

Why not just go, man.

[Interviewer/Host]

Of course.

[Sammy]

And we don't have to change who we are. We just do our thing and just get to the next level. And we got a dope. Dope bands and podcasts also on the team. It feels real good. The monster fan feels very good, man.

[Colin]

Happy to be here.

[Sammy]

Yeah, I'm very stoked. I still don't know. Helping that dude.

[Colin]

He's good.

[Sammy]

I love it, man. All right, guys. Dude,

[Colin]

show me you get a shirt. Show me the shirt.

[Sammy]

Oh, this looks way brighter.

[Colin]

You can shirt. What do you mean? Colin, this is for you to put on.

[Sammy]

Grateful Dead R. This is so much brighter, John.

[Colin]

Man.

[Sammy]

Oh, my.

[Tim Fleagle]

Holy.

[Greg Sirwanka]

Tim, are you having fun?

[Mac Miller]

You're.

[Sammy]

You're peeing your pants. 1500 phone calls from me. Really have, like, like, hey, Mac, what do you feel?

[Interviewer/Host]

It fits.

[Mac Miller]

And sometimes.

[Colin]

Holy.

[Sammy]

Wow.

[Interviewer/Host]

Hey, this just speaks to the durability of that blank.

[Sammy]

It's not bad.

[Interviewer/Host]

That shirt's gonna last.

[Sammy]

That's your lockdown uniform. There you go. Hey, hold on. Grant, can I.

[Interviewer/Host]

No, no, you gotta go down here.

[Sammy]

You gotta go down here. Oh, that was yesterday.

[Interviewer/Host]

In your professional opinion.

[Mac Miller]

I would not. What do you think, baby T?

[Interviewer/Host]

What though? What do you think is going to be the item of the tour?

[Mac Miller]

I like the tour shirt with the Tim.

[Interviewer/Host]

Oh, yo, wait.

[Mark]

This could be the display. Here's your display.

[Sammy]

It looks so much better in person. Coming to a sitting near you.

[Interviewer/Host]

Yeah. Show them the front.

[Sammy]

Please buy these.

[Mac Miller]

We have a lot of them.

[Interviewer/Host]

That's. That's cool.

[Colin]

No, you say the opposite. Don't make that many of these.

[Interviewer/Host]

Yeah, there's really limited.

[Mac Miller]

This tour only.

[Colin]

We're here with Oscar. You're doing front of house for Drain, correct?

[Interviewer/Host]

Yes.

[Colin]

How did you get into this world?

[Oscar]

I. I got really lucky that my. My high school hired people to do sound.

[Interviewer/Host]

Really?

[Oscar]

And they liked that. I ran around a bunch when I was like 15, and they're like, hey, do you want to cool cables after school?

[Colin]

Yeah, dude. And so if you can't coil a cable.

[Sammy]

Dude, get out of here now, dude.

[Oscar]

Every time I'm thinking about Miles.

[Interviewer/Host]

I've never done it the same. And you know who told me? It doesn't matter.

[Colin]

Who.

[Interviewer/Host]

Your brother.

[Colin]

He's insane. And you know that you do it around the.

[Interviewer/Host]

Yeah, no, I don't do that. I just do it.

[Greg Sirwanka]

No, that's the right way.

[Interviewer/Host]

Is this your console?

[Oscar]

This is not. This is. This is sound checks.

[Interviewer/Host]

Did you bring one? No.

[Oscar]

We're rocking house, dude.

[Interviewer/Host]

Yeah, punk. Well, that's cool. Because you gotta know, you know, and sometimes, you know what I love on tour is when if you have like a front of house guy, he goes, we got a good board tonight. That's such a good feeling.

[Oscar]

It helps keep my skills up.

[Interviewer/Host]

Yeah. Of course.

[Oscar]

The technology is changing so much. I don't want to get comfortable yet.

[Colin]

How easy is it to adapt to whatever board you're going from venue to venue?

[Oscar]

It really depends on the board. I try to go quick and it helps when the band sounds good, you know, great sources.

[Colin]

So these guys are good.

[Greg Sirwanka]

Yeah.

[Oscar]

Good mic choice.

[Interviewer/Host]

You know, do these things. I mean, I see usb. I know there's flash drives. Do these things exist in a way where you can. Like. This is a popular board. I'm gonna take my shit.

[Oscar]

Yes.

[Interviewer/Host]

And then when we run into it again.

[Oscar]

So you can do that. And a lot of people do that.

[Colin]

Now, I.

[Oscar]

Here's the thing. A lot of people do their USB stick and then, like go to a

[Interviewer/Host]

festival, they think it's set it and forget it.

[Oscar]

And then you'll plug it and not have outputs or something's routed poorly. And then the show is just fucked.

[Interviewer/Host]

So you build it out.

[Oscar]

I don't know if you. Cursing is.

[Interviewer/Host]

Cursing's fine. You build it out every time.

[Oscar]

I just use whatever is working. Festival scenario.

[Interviewer/Host]

Yeah.

[Oscar]

And then I'm like, okay, this is working. It's not gonna ruin the show. Go from here, you know, Even if it. You gotta be adaptable. Although I always start from scratch.

[Colin]

If it's a. As you should, you know.

[Interviewer/Host]

Now, I've heard that doing. Some may think that doing sound outdoors more difficult than indoors.

[Beau]

I've heard.

[Oscar]

Interesting.

[Interviewer/Host]

I've heard that outside is. I find it easier because there's no obstructions.

[Tim Fleagle]

Yeah, well, it's just.

[Oscar]

It depends on the engineer.

[Colin]

Sure.

[Interviewer/Host]

And the band.

[Oscar]

If you don't have good sources, everything's revealed.

[Colin]

Sure.

[Oscar]

But if it's. I personally love mixing outside because it's just right in your face now. No reflections.

[Colin]

Why is it that sometimes you can spend an hour, two hours line checking and then when it comes time for the show, it's. You're not getting any of that. None of that is happening. Is that just a bad engineer? Is it a bad board? Is it the bodies? What does that come down to?

[Greg Sirwanka]

I'm going to.

[Oscar]

I'm going to try to be nice. If it's like a festival, the. The guys working, they're stressed. They're doing 30 bands. Sometimes it can get messed up. But I don't think there's a reason that it should sound different from sound check other than like bodies being room.

[Colin]

It's a comforting answer.

[Interviewer/Host]

You ever. Do you ever do monitors?

[Oscar]

I've done it a few times for festivals, but mainly front of house. I've found myself in. I work front house from. Or monitors from house.

[Interviewer/Host]

I found monitors. I find monitors to be the most.

[Colin]

Like, if that's bad, why did I

[Interviewer/Host]

spend an hour and a half doing this? Yeah.

[Greg Sirwanka]

What are we doing?

[Colin]

And it's. Now it's different every summer. How do you get hooked up with the Drain?

[Oscar]

Camp Drain I got hooked up with.

[Greg Sirwanka]

So.

[Oscar]

Okay, this is a fun story. World's Meeting.

[Interviewer/Host]

I.

[Oscar]

Should I not look the camera, or should I look.

[Interviewer/Host]

No, absolutely.

[Colin]

You're doing great.

[Oscar]

So I've always been a punk kid into, like, old school, hardcore, Minor Threat, Gorilla Biscuits, Blood for Blood. And my buddy, like, I was so depressed at the time, Drug me to. I'm from Philly, so he drugged me to the First Unitarian Church. And it was these guys with Pain of truth. March of 2022. Yeah, never. I never. I never got the heavy thing. And then I like, walked into Painted Truth playing and then Drain, and it just blew my mind. So I just started talking to the guys and we became acquaintances and, like, passive friends for a little bit. And then by the time Haywire recommended me, I think Sammy was like, let's do it.

[Interviewer/Host]

So had you been to the church before?

[Oscar]

That was. I saw like one punk show. Yeah, but that Was like my second time first hardcore show at the church, dude.

[Colin]

It's a good first show there. Yeah. We're here with our good friend Gabe Becerra, AKA Gabe the Pigeon. You're doing photo and video work for Drain?

[Gabe the Pigeon]

I am, yeah.

[Colin]

How did you get this gig?

[Gabe the Pigeon]

It fell into my lap, but I've known the guys for like, 10 years.

[Interviewer/Host]

So you've been grinding forever, though?

[Colin]

Yep.

[Gabe the Pigeon]

Many, many a years, yeah.

[Interviewer/Host]

Why Pigeon?

[Gabe the Pigeon]

Best way I kind of chop it up too is my dad is an Eagles fan. The band and the team. My older sister, her name is Bridget, but as a kid I spell her name Bird, so.

[Interviewer/Host]

Which is something.

[Gabe the Pigeon]

And I just.

[Colin]

Bird?

[Gabe the Pigeon]

Yeah. Big bird family. So I just had to stick with a bird myself. So.

[Colin]

Not hawk or.

[Gabe the Pigeon]

No, no. I mean, you know, I don't. I don't put myself that high up on that.

[Colin]

Yeah. Your first days on the road. Some of your first days on the road were with me.

[Gabe the Pigeon]

Yeah.

[Colin]

How has touring evolved for you since then? You've gone truly to the peak, to the pinnacle of extreme music.

[Gabe the Pigeon]

Yeah. I mean, became the bread and butter.

[Interviewer/Host]

I remember the Twitching Tongues tour van tour outside of the Metro.

[Colin]

Were you there?

[Gabe the Pigeon]

I was there.

[Interviewer/Host]

That's why I'm talking about it. Because you were showing off your bunk, showing off your area in the van.

[Walter Delgado]

Nah.

[Gabe the Pigeon]

Eight years later, still gets brought up. Still gets brought up.

[Interviewer/Host]

Yeah.

[Colin]

Because you did so good.

[Tim Fleagle]

Yeah.

[Colin]

Such a star.

[Gabe the Pigeon]

I did so good.

[Interviewer/Host]

You did so, so good.

[Colin]

What's the most rewarding part of touring with a band like Drain?

[Gabe the Pigeon]

Oh, I mean, the entire energy in the entire room, it's explosive from start to finish. And for me, taking photos like hardcore bands, metal bands, this is like the cream of the crop with photographing a hardcore band. You want energy the entire set. So Sammy brings that and the band just glues it all together with them.

[Interviewer/Host]

They just look like they're having fun the whole time.

[Gabe the Pigeon]

Yeah.

[Interviewer/Host]

And that's the best thing to photograph.

[Gabe the Pigeon]

Yes. Especially if I stop mid set. And I'm actually enjoying the set too, that it's raining off on me. Not just the crowd. That's the best part. And that's what I love most about it.

[Colin]

I stay at work.

[Interviewer/Host]

What's cooler than a photograph? Moshing stage diving or singing along.

[Gabe the Pigeon]

Singing along.

[Interviewer/Host]

Hear that?

[Colin]

So do that. What's your rig like these days?

[Interviewer/Host]

Yeah.

[Gabe the Pigeon]

All right. So, yeah.

[Colin]

Do you gatekeep?

[Gabe the Pigeon]

No, I'm a dark horse. I shoot on Nikon. Not many people do. I use Nikon Z6II and a D780 Wow. Yeah.

[Interviewer/Host]

Is that good shit or.

[Colin]

Yeah, all right.

[Gabe the Pigeon]

It's good shit for me. I got you, and I get it done with what I got.

[Interviewer/Host]

Hey, Trevanti PRs. You know, some people.

[Colin]

People make it work.

[Gabe the Pigeon]

And you don't need $10,000 to make it work.

[Colin]

It ain't the gear, it's the finger. Right?

[Tim Fleagle]

Yeah. We'll go with it.

[Colin]

That's what they say.

[Sammy]

Yeah.

[Colin]

Yeah, that's what everybody says.

[Tim Fleagle]

Yeah.

[Colin]

Okay.

[Walter Delgado]

Yeah.

[Colin]

Thanks, Gabe. We're here with Coleman, guitar technician. You play in many bands, right? Could you list them all for us real quick? I play in a band called One

[Coleman]

Step Closer, A Knife in the Dark and Ends of Sanity.

[Colin]

You know him, but today he's drains guitar tech. And this whole month.

[Interviewer/Host]

Right.

[Colin]

How did you get linked up with them? Oh, great question.

[Coleman]

James brought me out to some festival appearances that they did to just overlook the band and make sure everything was going smoothly.

[Interviewer/Host]

I think the first.

[Coleman]

First thing I did with them was Incarceration Fest in Ohio.

[Colin]

Incarceration.

[Coleman]

Incarceration, yeah.

[Interviewer/Host]

It was cool.

[Walter Delgado]

Yep.

[Interviewer/Host]

And is that from a tech standpoint or like stage management or.

[Beau]

Where were you?

[Coleman]

Tech standpoint? Yeah, just an extra set of hands on the back line and just making sure that everything runs smoothly for them so they don't have to worry about it.

[Interviewer/Host]

Yeah.

[Colin]

How'd you get into guitar stuff?

[Coleman]

I think it comes from having a lot of different guitars and a lot of different tunings and being fed up with all the setups.

[Interviewer/Host]

Yeah, dude.

[Coleman]

And I think I just needed to figure out how to make them stay in tune and operate as needed with different string gauges and tensions and stuff.

[Interviewer/Host]

We all want toys. You gotta know how to use your right.

[Colin]

Right. What's your favorite fret open?

[Interviewer/Host]

Dude, Zero.

[Colin]

Zero.

[Coleman]

Just zero fret on the occasion.

[Colin]

One. Oh.

[Interviewer/Host]

I mean, that's maybe eight.

[Colin]

The two to get eight.

[Interviewer/Host]

Oh, eight is crazy.

[Sammy]

I mean, that is eight. In the bar setup.

[Interviewer/Host]

Yeah, in the bar setup.

[Colin]

Come out of town, maybe it resolves

[Interviewer/Host]

to seven, and then you go down

[Colin]

to six and it's game over.

[Interviewer/Host]

Nobody gets a little evil.

[Colin]

Nobody sees that coming.

[Gabe the Pigeon]

Yeah.

[Interviewer/Host]

Very good.

[Coleman]

Zero is the best friend.

[Interviewer/Host]

What's your favorite guitar? Les Paul. Get real. Les Paul Custom. Yeah, it's.

[Coleman]

It's the greatest guitar of all time.

[Interviewer/Host]

It's all anyone ever needs.

[Colin]

How is it touring with these guys?

[Interviewer/Host]

They are awesome.

[Coleman]

They are so fun all the time. Never a dull moment until they all fall asleep, huh?

[Colin]

Any hazing?

[Coleman]

No, no hazing.

[Tim Fleagle]

But drink this.

[Sammy]

Monster Coleman.

[Coleman]

Just pranks non stop but no hazing.

[Beau]

Nothing.

[Interviewer/Host]

Yeah, not hazing. Correct.

[Colin]

Beautiful.

[Interviewer/Host]

Yes.

[Colin]

And now do you find more relief in doing guitar tech stuff versus touring your own bass?

[Interviewer/Host]

Relief.

[Greg Sirwanka]

That's good.

[Interviewer/Host]

Come on.

[Greg Sirwanka]

Yeah.

[Coleman]

You know, I think there's a cool balance about being able to work touring and then having an appreciation for playing in your own bands when you're not working. So I think it's given me that appreciation when I'm playing that it's more fun that way.

[Colin]

What's the hardest part of the job?

[Coleman]

There's no hard part. Setting up a Floyd.

[Interviewer/Host]

Yeah. It sucks, huh? You. Do you do one string at a time or do you put something under to lock the bridge?

[Coleman]

Today I put something underneath. I have a big 9 volt battery.

[Tim Fleagle]

Yeah.

[Interviewer/Host]

That I taped over and I put that under there. Take them all off. Start over. I really don't like Floyds.

[Beau]

Yeah.

[Colin]

I'm a kaler man.

[Interviewer/Host]

But hey, Kayl are cool. Also. Lots of steps.

[Colin]

Lot of steps. All right. We're here in the Drain rv.

[Interviewer/Host]

You call this?

[Walter Delgado]

This is an rv. It's a recreational vehicle, legally, that can be driven without a cdl.

[Interviewer/Host]

Very nice.

[Colin]

Excellent.

[Interviewer/Host]

That's nice.

[Sammy]

Yeah.

[Colin]

Very good. We are here with our good friend, Walter Delgado. The world knows him as the. The vocalist of the Great Rotting Out. But the Drain camp knows him as Mr. Driver.

[Walter Delgado]

Senor Driver.

[Colin]

Senor Driver.

[Walter Delgado]

Yeah.

[Colin]

How did that come about? When did you start driving for bands?

[Walter Delgado]

So I was doing stage production for a long time for festivals like Insomniac and stuff like that. And I was benching one day.

[Interviewer/Host]

Bench pressing.

[Walter Delgado]

Bench pressing.

[Colin]

Look how jacked he is. Cut to this.

[Interviewer/Host]

Wow.

[Colin]

Unbelievable.

[Interviewer/Host]

So jacked.

[Walter Delgado]

And I blew out my tricep tendon. So tricep tendon came in. Sound like a bag of ruffles gave out. Yeah. So sat there going, this sucks. And I couldn't work because of OSHA and all that stuff. Like, you can't be on site. Understandable.

[Beau]

Right.

[Walter Delgado]

I'm all up. So I needed money fast. Not money fast, but I just need. I was like, I don't like sitting on my ass.

[Interviewer/Host]

Sure.

[Walter Delgado]

And then a friend was like, hey, have you ever driven bands and stuff like that? I wasn't sure if I wanted to go back on the road, like, tour again.

[Colin]

Right.

[Walter Delgado]

Like, I was away from it for a while. Where I was like, I don't know if mentally I could do it or not. Anyways, I took it. I was like, yeah, it. Let's.

[Beau]

Let's.

[Walter Delgado]

Let's do it. I toured with this band, Japanese band. Metal, kind of like a. They're called Hanabi. So they were like, kind of like a metal all girl. Like very much that cutesy, Asian heavy metal energy, baby metal, I believe. Yeah, like that. And only could speak to the tour manager because no one else spoke English. He spoke pretty decent English. And I didn't talk to anyone.

[Interviewer/Host]

How long was that?

[Walter Delgado]

That was a month. And it was rad because I love being by myself. And for the first time in a. On tour, I didn't really have to socialize. It was kind of nice. And all I did was listen to, like, podcasts and, like, revisited old records. And I knew all the drives like the back of my hand. I was like, oh, I remember this gas station. I remember this venue. Oh, sick. And that's just kind of how that happened. It was an accident that I'd realized. I really like. I love traveling, driving.

[Colin]

Wow.

[Walter Delgado]

It's, like, really nice.

[Colin]

Yeah, you were the night guy. So my first tours ever were with you. We played in a band called Alpha and Omega together. And you're a big night guy.

[Walter Delgado]

Post show zone out throwing a record. Something that's probably depressing as, you know, probably Manchester orchestra. Yeah, there you go. And just sit there, just like, yeah, sulk, you know, that's all. That was usually maybe some Tegan and Sarah.

[Interviewer/Host]

Dude, I was gonna bring up Tegan and Sarah.

[Walter Delgado]

Yeah, probably some Tegan and Sarah. Some HS orchestra. Just.

[Colin]

We met Tegan and Sarah together.

[Walter Delgado]

That. Yes, we did.

[Colin]

And I can't. The interaction is so unbelievable that nobody would believe us.

[Walter Delgado]

Nobody would believe it. Probably should not talk about it.

[Greg Sirwanka]

No, no, no.

[Colin]

Exactly. So when did you find hardcore punk music?

[Walter Delgado]

I was 14 years old. A kid in school gave me a camo cd. And he's like, you should listen to that. This. I was like, what is this? He's like, you like Slipknot, right? I was like, yeah, for sure. I love Slipknot. And he's like, this is a band called Throwdown.

[Interviewer/Host]

Whoa.

[Walter Delgado]

And I was like, oh, that cover is cool. And I listened to it and I was so primitive with instruments. I didn't understand how they were making the noises they were making, you know, like that first, I didn't know it was like triplets.

[Interviewer/Host]

Yeah.

[Walter Delgado]

It just sounded like noise.

[Mac Miller]

Explosion.

[Walter Delgado]

Explosion. And I was just like, this is sick. And he's like, yeah, they're a hardcore straight edge band. And I was like, that's whack.

[Colin]

I was.

[Walter Delgado]

You know, I was. I came from punk, so, like, getting up was part of the identity of being punk. At that.

[Colin]

When you say coming from punk, is that Pennywise?

[Interviewer/Host]

No, even.

[Walter Delgado]

Even more like la. Backyard punk.

[Beau]

Oh, yeah.

[Walter Delgado]

Like crust punk. Like ska punk. Right.

[Colin]

Like in San Pedro.

[Walter Delgado]

San Pedro, South Bay, like that whole area. Wilmington, Carson, like all those things. You go to a backyard show. I was like 8 years old at those shows, you know, and all the kids that were older than me, 12, were all getting trashed and drunk, and I was like, oh, this is the culture. This is what we do. Yeah. And so at that time, I thought things like sobriety were for adults and like. Like losers. People that were squared.

[Colin]

And now. How long have you been straight edge?

[Walter Delgado]

Been straight edge for 25 years. Yeah, 25 years sober.

[Colin]

Now, come on now.

[Walter Delgado]

Yeah.

[Colin]

Good job.

[Walter Delgado]

Good times.

[Colin]

And the name Wally Edge. Tell me the origin.

[Walter Delgado]

That came from Kai. From K. Kai, however you want to. From have Heart. I did a tour in 2007 with have Heart. I was replacing their merch guy, who was? Polly Edge from Syracuse.

[Colin]

Meltdown.

[Walter Delgado]

Meltdown, Syracuse.

[Beau]

Yeah, yeah.

[Walter Delgado]

Also a great lifter.

[Colin]

Okay. You know, great mosher.

[Walter Delgado]

Great mosher. Great guy enthusiast.

[Colin]

Great merch, Great landscaper.

[Walter Delgado]

Oh, yeah, forgot about that. And he made the joke that it was like, oh, so now you're Wally Edge? And I was like, yeah, don't do that. No, we're not. We're not. No. And because of that, they just kind of pushed that on me and it kind of stuck.

[Interviewer/Host]

Did Throwdown, being from Orange county mean anything to you?

[Walter Delgado]

Not necessarily to me. It was like, oh, a California band.

[Interviewer/Host]

Yeah, yeah. I guess I did mean nearby.

[Walter Delgado]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Greg Sirwanka]

It.

[Walter Delgado]

It. I didn't understand that there was show that weren't in backyards, that weren't stadiums. You know, the mid level stages. Right. The 500,000 cap rooms. I didn't know that because the only other concert I had gone to was Corn Rob Zombie in seventh grade and Weezer. Tenacious D, Jimmy World. Oh, yeah. Front.

[Colin]

Front to back, bang.

[Interviewer/Host]

That's just perfect. I'm gonna get there early and go have a hot dog for like an hour.

[Walter Delgado]

Front. Just sitting there with my red Weezer shirt at, like, age 13, you know, just having a blast. So anything in between a backyard and a stadium, I. I hadn't realized they exist. So when I went to the Showcase Theater to see Throwdown, it was. I was kind of confused. I was like, oh, are we not allowed on stage? Are we like, what's. It's not on the floor. This is confusing.

[Colin]

Aha.

[Walter Delgado]

You know, we don't have seats.

[Interviewer/Host]

But I'm not on Stage I don't

[Walter Delgado]

understand, you know, and it was, it was pivotal, man, just to see that the band and the fans were kind of interacting at a level where it didn't matter who was on stage or you couldn't even just figure out distinguish who was in the band and who wasn't, you know, like, that was so cool to me.

[Colin]

And that's hardcore.

[Walter Delgado]

Yeah, that's what that is. Yeah, at its bone. That's what that is, man.

[Interviewer/Host]

And this was early. Throw down. This is Keith. Throw down, Keith.

[Colin]

Throw down.

[Beau]

Yeah.

[Colin]

Cuz the camo CD was beyond repair.

[Walter Delgado]

Yeah, beyond repair.

[Colin]

So how do you get introduced to the Drain guys many years later? How do you get this job?

[Walter Delgado]

So I, I met Sam riding out, played with Zabalba at the Gilman, and there was this kid with the San Pedro shirt stage diving for riding out. I was like, oh, dude, what are you doing up here? He's like, oh, I'm from San Pedro. I was like, oh. He's like, I go to school in Santa Cruz. I was like, oh, rad. He's like, yeah, my band just recorded like a demo and like, you know, we're stoked to like potentially maybe tour on it. I was like, sick, dude. Like, get to it.

[Interviewer/Host]

Yeah, yeah.

[Walter Delgado]

And I would see him, I was

[Sammy]

like, oh, that's the kid.

[Walter Delgado]

That's the San Pedro kid. I was like, yo, his band's ripping it.

[Tim Fleagle]

Yeah.

[Walter Delgado]

Like they're just on the up and up, you know, even it got to a point, a point where our records came out on the same day. Jesus. You know. And I was like, oh, this is appropriate. This is cool. You know. And then down the road I got the phone call. I think they found out I was driving or something like that. And they're like, hey, like, we're upscaling our crew and we're gonna start needing a driver. And you know, just any successful band, they start doing add ons with like driver, permanent merch guy, tour manager or whatever.

[Interviewer/Host]

Quality of life.

[Walter Delgado]

Yeah, you try to build your crew right off the rip. Because, you know, we've all had members or people on the team that just like, they're your friends, but they're not good to work with.

[Mac Miller]

Right.

[Colin]

Where in their case, it's all people in bands.

[Walter Delgado]

Yeah.

[Interviewer/Host]

All hardcore.

[Colin]

A lot of front men.

[Interviewer/Host]

A lot of front men.

[Walter Delgado]

Yeah. We got Mac, Cosmic Joke, you know, and it's, it's cool that everybody, at least for the majority part, is from California. Everybody gets it. Everybody grew up going to the same shows.

[Interviewer/Host]

Maybe I missed It. Who was San Pedro kid?

[Colin]

Which one was it?

[Interviewer/Host]

Oh, it was Sammy. He's from down there.

[Walter Delgado]

Funny story about Sammy. I had an ex girlfriend, and we were at the mall in Torrance Della Mauma, and she's like, dude, this kid's like, I fucking the shit out of you. And I was like, what do you mean? And I look over and this kid's just like. Because he knew. He's like, oh, I think he knows I've been riding out. And he goes just like, oh, my God. This kid in high school, like, for sure teenager. Yeah, it was Sammy.

[Colin]

Of course it was Shorts.

[Walter Delgado]

His mom was there with him buying him pants.

[Interviewer/Host]

Yeah. Oh, pants.

[Colin]

He's like, we can't air this. Nobody can. Where you do.

[Walter Delgado]

There's. I was with my mom. She was buying me pants. I was just like. That was you? He's like, that was me. I was like, I remember that because I felt awkward as shit.

[Interviewer/Host]

Walter, what is your favorite travel stop? One on the road. Where do you go?

[Walter Delgado]

Travel stop as in gas station?

[Interviewer/Host]

Gas station. But, like, maybe you want a little more, you know, like, not just. Not just gas and some shelf stable foods. You want a roller? Maybe you want. Want a nice soda? Maybe you want a terrible Subway sandwich

[Colin]

or a delicious monster.

[Walter Delgado]

So my. My staple is Love's 2 for 5 hot dogs.

[Colin]

There you go.

[Greg Sirwanka]

So loves.

[Walter Delgado]

That's the staple if I'm going luxury. Yeah, we go. The double XL brisket sandwich from Bucky's. Dude, come on, man.

[Colin]

How is it? How do they do.

[Interviewer/Host]

It's so cheap. They do it and so, so good.

[Greg Sirwanka]

It makes no sense.

[Interviewer/Host]

Buc EE's is great. I do think that Loves is like.

[Walter Delgado]

It's Old Faithful. I could take a great shower. People think Love's bathroom is, like, disgusting. It's amazing.

[Interviewer/Host]

No, it's immaculate.

[Walter Delgado]

It's amazing. I take a good stroke. Hot shower work. Good dog.

[Colin]

How's. What's up with rotting out right now?

[Walter Delgado]

We play when we feel good about everything, but also two of our dudes have kids. Yeah, that's, you know, that's priority. We all have different jobs. I'm always on the road like seven to nine months out of the year, so we try to fit it in when we can. We got some festivals this year, and then we just signed up for something in the fall that we're kind of stoked on. Won't be announced for probably a couple months. But, yeah, writing. Which is fun because I feel like you get to a level where you did what you wanted to do.

[Tim Fleagle]

Of course.

[Walter Delgado]

And now you want to not change your sound, but invite new elements in, you know, so that's. That's. And that's exciting. That's. That's like, oh, cool, now you're writing music. Not that you don't write music for yourself, but. But you don't feel constricted to the sound that made you popular or, you know, favored the crowd or whatnot.

[Interviewer/Host]

Yeah.

[Walter Delgado]

You just do what you want. Freedom. And I think that's where I see some friends. Not all my friends, but some friends feel kind of afraid to get out of their element. That was very tried and true.

[Colin]

It's scary because if you fail, you're ruined, but if you succeed, you're set for life kind of creatively.

[Walter Delgado]

Yeah. Well, it's like, dude, okay. So a good example was Suffer Survive, no Warning. When it came out, Motherfuckers hated it.

[Colin]

So I was like, it killed the band.

[Interviewer/Host]

It killed the band.

[Walter Delgado]

Which is insane to me, because if that record came out in the last five years, it'd probably be the biggest thing.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Interviewer/Host]

Or if Linkin park didn't exist.

[Beau]

No, I don't even think.

[Colin]

I don't know.

[Walter Delgado]

I think that would play into its favor.

[Interviewer/Host]

If you think Lincoln park plays because they.

[Walter Delgado]

That.

[Colin]

That gave them an avenue to.

[Beau]

Yeah.

[Colin]

To go down. And it didn't help them, you know.

[Walter Delgado]

Yeah.

[Colin]

I guess gave them a sect of people to appeal to who were still not interested.

[Walter Delgado]

Yeah.

[Colin]

It's so funny how.

[Walter Delgado]

But once again, the generation now of kids is so open to diversity because

[Colin]

of what our generation kind of laid the groundwork for and endured big time.

[Walter Delgado]

Oh, man.

[Interviewer/Host]

The doldrums. We talk about it all the time. 2005 to 2010.

[Colin]

Dark.

[Walter Delgado]

The dark ages, where you couldn't step out of line in punk and hardcore without getting upon.

[Beau]

Yeah.

[Walter Delgado]

And it was. Dude. Okay. The biggest one was rotting out getting for wearing their own merch.

[Interviewer/Host]

Oh, we were.

[Colin]

One of you just doing the Suicidal Media, you know.

[Walter Delgado]

Yeah, we did the Suicidal Black Flag. And we're like, yo, these are the bands we with. They did it. Why aren't we.

[Beau]

You doing.

[Walter Delgado]

Also, we're poor. You're gonna tell me. I'm gonna print this and not wear it like kiss my ass. Also, when you're on a football team.

[Interviewer/Host]

Yeah, It's a team. That's exactly.

[Walter Delgado]

It's a team.

[Colin]

I think. I think if it started negative, it became overwhelmingly positive.

[Interviewer/Host]

Yeah. Yeah. I was always a fan.

[Walter Delgado]

Some will not mention bands. Some bands gave a. Said. That's weird. Is that what you guys do in la, clearly. They went from Los Angeles, two years later, the Rock. Yeah.

[Colin]

You got to make what you like if you're not making what you like.

[Sammy]

Exactly.

[Interviewer/Host]

If you wouldn't wear it, what's the point?

[Walter Delgado]

Yeah, yeah, that's. It's kind of also. It's like. It lets people know what they're watching when they're on stage or when you're on stage, at least. You know what I mean? And that, that's how I took it as a kid. I was like, oh yeah, Suicidal's rocking their own. I'm gonna do that.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Walter Delgado]

You know, they beat up chromags.

[Sammy]

That's hard.

[Walter Delgado]

I'm gonna do that.

[Sammy]

You know, one of them is in Chrome mags now. That's crazy.

[Walter Delgado]

That's crazy. Like that. Look how they beat their way into Chromex.

[Interviewer/Host]

Could we get an impromptu tour of this facility?

[Walter Delgado]

Yeah, yeah.

[Colin]

You sleep.

[Interviewer/Host]

You sleep elsewhere.

[Walter Delgado]

I sleep in a hot cabinet. I sleep in a hotel.

[Colin]

He's got a day room.

[Beau]

Baby.

[Walter Delgado]

This isn't the projects anymore. I'm a free man.

[Colin]

Good for you, man. Moving on up.

[Walter Delgado]

They're bulldozing the. The projects, unfortunately. But rest in peace.

[Interviewer/Host]

Why don't you lead like. We'll stay behind and ask.

[Walter Delgado]

Yeah, okay. We'll start from the back.

[Interviewer/Host]

There you go.

[Walter Delgado]

Let's start from the back and let the.

[Interviewer/Host]

Let the cameras go.

[Walter Delgado]

Let's get you some lighting, boys.

[Interviewer/Host]

Yeah, I'll get this. Cool.

[Walter Delgado]

So back here we got the bathroom, which is nicer than my apartment.

[Beau]

Dude.

[Walter Delgado]

No, I'm serious.

[Interviewer/Host]

Is there a shower in there?

[Colin]

Look.

[Walter Delgado]

Look at this shower. No, seriously, like, I need you to look at this shower. This is a nice shower.

[Sammy]

Oh, it smells new.

[Walter Delgado]

I need you to look at this.

[Interviewer/Host]

I can see it.

[Colin]

We can't get in there.

[Sammy]

No, no.

[Walter Delgado]

Can I open it? No, I can't open it.

[Colin]

It's a nice shower.

[Walter Delgado]

It's a better shower head. It's not like other companies, shower heads. Toilet, solid. I don't know. You got a bunch of other to hang on. We got the dark room that I call it where. Want to sleep in this area, Cuz everything will go pitch black. And that way you get good sleep. You know These seem like tall bunks too, huh? Dude, they're spacious.

[Interviewer/Host]

Yeah.

[Walter Delgado]

In my opinion, pretty good.

[Interviewer/Host]

Better than a bus.

[Walter Delgado]

Yeah, they're kind of long too. So if you're tall, what do you. What do you call it?

[Colin]

62, 61.

[Walter Delgado]

61. These are 63.

[Colin]

All right, let's go.

[Walter Delgado]

Yeah. So this is a dark room. We got six bunks here. We got a $5,000 fridge, which is insane.

[Colin]

Okay.

[Walter Delgado]

To give hardcore bands.

[Interviewer/Host]

Yeah.

[Walter Delgado]

There's no food in here because they're poor right now. So they spent all their day.

[Colin]

Negative one day.

[Walter Delgado]

Negative one. Yeah. So we'll, you know, in a couple weeks there'll be hot pockets.

[Interviewer/Host]

Who gets the non. Dark rooms, typically. Is that crew?

[Walter Delgado]

Usually crew. Usually a team. Or a merch. Yeah. So we got crew. I know Mark. The TM will be in one of these.

[Colin]

Yeah, yeah, put them in.

[Walter Delgado]

We can't afford that injury.

[Colin]

Walter Delgado. If you see this RV flying, he's

[Sammy]

driving or falling asleep.

[Colin]

Or falling asleep. Get out of the way.

[Interviewer/Host]

Tegan and Sarah Lisa.

[Walter Delgado]

Crying, crying, crying. Just sobbing in the front.

[Colin]

Could you tell us your top four hardcore records of all time?

[Sammy]

Of all time.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Sammy]

Okay, now let me ask you this. Do you want the truth or do you want what I think I'm supposed to say?

[Colin]

No, I want the truth.

[Interviewer/Host]

We want the truth.

[Colin]

Always go. Genuine.

[Sammy]

Here's the thing. I've looked weirdly, you know, this combo will come up. I'm like, dude, if I'm being honest for me, top four of all time. When I think of that, I'm like, yo, this is what inspires me the most and got me so hooked.

[Colin]

That's what it should be.

[Walter Delgado]

Yeah.

[Sammy]

You know I could. I mean, dude, I might say number one street prowl riding. It's all shit in that like general. That's when I first really got like hooked in, you know. I don't know if it's a comp. Whatever but Plagues, walking disease, the trash talk. I don't know if it's two and one. That's just what I had. Those two. Honestly. Probably fucking. I don't know, I guess a non stop feeling. I'd probably throw that in there. Maybe scared to death. Actually as four, I'd say, yeah, there it is. That four, you know, just like. Of course. Do I love.

[Colin]

I don't know.

[Sammy]

Fucking time to shine. Set it off all the. Yes. But though that is probably what I spent the most time listening to and just being. Just consuming it in. You know what I mean?

[Interviewer/Host]

I like that answer.

[Beau]

I will start with life of dreams. Crumb suckers.

[Colin]

Yes sir.

[Beau]

I will put the. The Vision of Disorder. The Green Drip album.

[Interviewer/Host]

Oh yeah.

[Mac Miller]

It's just.

[Beau]

That's just a self taught.

[Tim Fleagle]

Yeah, yeah.

[Beau]

I just always called the Green Drip album.

[Interviewer/Host]

I get it.

[Colin]

The Nickelodeon slime.

[Sammy]

Yeah, yeah.

[Beau]

Like the flow. Yeah, yeah. I would say that's probably my favorite like 90s hardcore record.

[Interviewer/Host]

That is about as it gets.

[Beau]

Thank you.

[Colin]

So many layers.

[Beau]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I feel like sometimes people think I'm just kind of one dimensional. I just like one thing. But you know, I. I love Love Vision Disorder. I would probably put. I'd probably put Agent Coral, you know, third coated. And fourth one I'm gonna put. I think I'm gonna put the first GB record because that was like very early on.

[Interviewer/Host]

7 inch.

[Walter Delgado]

Like the.

[Beau]

Like the. The self titled.

[Walter Delgado]

Right? The G. The.

[Beau]

The one with like the. The grill on it.

[Interviewer/Host]

The grill. Yeah, yeah. With like the hoodie. Yeah, yeah.

[Greg Sirwanka]

Self titled.

[Beau]

I just wanted. That was like very.

[Colin]

The opposite of Sam. His answers, just so you know.

[Interviewer/Host]

Oh, wow.

[Colin]

You're an old. You're a classic. Old school.

[Beau]

Oh, man, that's. That's what I started with, you know, 80s hardcore.

[Interviewer/Host]

Yeah. I mean that seven inch is timeless.

[Tim Fleagle]

I'm gonna go donate a reason. I know it's like more of a modern band, but again, that was kind of like my. That was how I got into hardcore.

[Sammy]

God.

[Tim Fleagle]

I'm gonna give it to Master Killer. I heard that in high school and it kind of changed what I thought about hardcore.

[Interviewer/Host]

It's not just us.

[Colin]

Yeah, yeah.

[Greg Sirwanka]

Not just us.

[Tim Fleagle]

One with the underdogs for sure, man.

[Walter Delgado]

I'll.

[Tim Fleagle]

You know what we were talking about earlier? I'll go. Quickness. I think that's the record I listen to the most.

[Colin]

Mackie.

[Tim Fleagle]

That's Mackie.

[Colin]

Fun drum record.

[Greg Sirwanka]

I against I for sure. Because that's just such a good. Yeah, I mean, it's just such an incredible good mix of. So musical. A lot of Van Halen in that record, dude.

[Interviewer/Host]

Absolutely.

[Greg Sirwanka]

A lot of Van Halen in that record. Number two, Screaming for Change. Probably got feeling Straight and alert, right?

[Colin]

Yeah, you do. You've been saying that a long time ago. I'm not straight at.

[Greg Sirwanka]

Straight and alert. Alert. Damn. All right, that's cool. You remember that.

[Colin]

Come on. I've known you for so long.

[Interviewer/Host]

It's true.

[Greg Sirwanka]

Yeah. AOL Instant Messenger.

[Tim Fleagle]

That's right.

[Colin]

You ever heard of it?

[Greg Sirwanka]

I mean, it's so cliche. Asia Coral. If I. Yeah. I mean, this is Gun of the Head. Gun of the Head right here.

[Interviewer/Host]

Fuck it.

[Greg Sirwanka]

I'll put victim of in front. I can be in an island with those.

[Interviewer/Host]

Yeah, there you go. There you go. That's a way to answer it.

[Greg Sirwanka]

That's good.

[Coleman]

I'm gonna say Earth crisis. Destroying machines. I'm gonna say hate breed perseverance. Oh, I'm gonna say Strife in this defiance. And I'm gonna say Marauder. Master Killer.

[Walter Delgado]

Hey.

[Interviewer/Host]

Number four, hard.

[Greg Sirwanka]

Yeah.

[Colin]

Outstanding.

[Walter Delgado]

There you have it.

[Interviewer/Host]

Really good.

[Colin]

It's a guy who's known a ball or two in his life. Thank you, Coleman.

[Gabe the Pigeon]

Master Killer. Marauder. Keepers of the faith Terror. Climate of fear Bitter end Wow. Ill blood, no warning I raised him well.

[Walter Delgado]

Chain of strength One thing that still holds true.

[Colin]

Straight edge.

[Walter Delgado]

Straight edge. You did today. Can't close my eyes. 10 yard fight. What is it? Hardcore.

[Interviewer/Host]

Hardcore pride.

[Walter Delgado]

Hardcore pride, yeah.

[Interviewer/Host]

Straight Edge.

[Walter Delgado]

Five songs about Straight Edge.

[Interviewer/Host]

The rest the of about football.

[Walter Delgado]

The rest about football and suicidal self titled.

[Interviewer/Host]

Wow.

[Walter Delgado]

Yeah. I'm like, I grew up in punk, so it's like.

[Greg Sirwanka]

Yeah.

[Walter Delgado]

I try to keep it close.

[Colin]

Honorable mention.

[Walter Delgado]

Honorable mention. Carry on.

[Interviewer/Host]

That was the one.

[Walter Delgado]

Yeah.

[Colin]

All right, that's a wrap. Here in Nashville, two days.

[Sammy]

That's right.

[Colin]

We've been having fun. We're not the only ones. Now we're going to Dallas to take you to the first show on the tour. Let's go. Welcome back. We are in Dallas, Texas with Monster Energy. We're at day one of the Drain is your friend tour at the AM FM Lounge with no pressure, Haywire and Secret World. Let's get in there and check it out. We've got Mark here, tour manager to the stars that are Drain, which is the truth. How intensive is this for you, putting something together like this chair, the. The big board, the banner.

[Mark]

I mean, if I'm being humble, it's not that bad because I do this every day.

[Colin]

That's right.

[Mark]

You know, I. I got my master's in production from the University of Illinois.

[Colin]

Wow.

[Interviewer/Host]

That's true. So fighting Illini for a while.

[Colin]

Okay.

[Mark]

Humble brag. But, you know, this is what I do every day. I'm happy to bring it to them. I've been talking about this since we started working together.

[Colin]

This four years ago.

[Interviewer/Host]

This everything. Just in general. How long you been doing it for Drain?

[Greg Sirwanka]

In general?

[Mark]

In general production. 13 years now. I teach at a college on Long island when I'm not doing this, so.

[Interviewer/Host]

Wow. Yeah.

[Colin]

Cool. Part of Long Island.

[Mark]

I teach in Nassau, but I'm from Suffolk.

[Colin]

Good. Very good. How did you get the gig of being the guy in the. The chair in the watchtower?

[Mark]

Sammy has been asking me for a lifeguard chair for years.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Mark]

And he always has said you have to be the one in it when the time comes.

[Colin]

I love it. And you weren't.

[Interviewer/Host]

You weren't going to deny the call?

[Tim Fleagle]

I could never.

[Sammy]

How could I?

[Colin]

You going tarp off or on, see

[Mark]

what, you know, what calls. I got to get a little zinc for my nose.

[Colin]

Yeah, sure.

[Greg Sirwanka]

Yeah, sure.

[Interviewer/Host]

Yeah. You need the full gimmick whistle.

[Mark]

Yeah, good idea.

[Colin]

You have the megaphone, though?

[Mark]

I do have the megaphone. There is a mega.

[Interviewer/Host]

Yeah, we got it. Yeah. You got to twirl the whistle or in the parts. Yep, I got the umbrella. It'll it all.

[Mark]

You'll see it all come together.

[Interviewer/Host]

Beautiful.

[Colin]

Is Drain your favorite band to tour with?

[Interviewer/Host]

Oh, absolutely.

[Mark]

Anytime I tore with another band, I'm like, I wish I was a train.

[Colin]

Do you have a favorite venue in the country?

[Interviewer/Host]

Oh, great question, dude.

[Colin]

Lady, consider everything load in accommodations.

[Interviewer/Host]

Accommodations.

[Mark]

This is really hard. I can tell you my favorite venue Drains ever played. Favorite shot. I was talking about this morning. It's not really a venue. Salt Lake City. It was between three buildings. A sneaker store, a gun shop, and a print shop.

[Interviewer/Host]

Perfect.

[Mark]

You go down the alley and they built a full stage out of scaffolding. And people were like, kind of looked like this. And people were monkey barring off the scaffolding, like front flipping during the center

[Colin]

with new sneakers, new guns.

[Interviewer/Host]

Yeah.

[Mark]

Coach Malone was on the roof across the way watching, Hanging out all day. That is top five great show ever. So that might be, you know, favorite venue that was brought from nothing.

[Colin]

That'll do.

[Interviewer/Host]

What about. What about in a more conventional sense of a venue?

[Mark]

Hollywood Palladium is awesome.

[Colin]

Great choice.

[Mark]

Great.

[Interviewer/Host]

Makes sense.

[Colin]

Slayer Riot, Black Flag Riot.

[Mark]

Not trying to ball wash your Chicago Metro. Christy takes great care of everybody who comes.

[Interviewer/Host]

Christie is the go.

[Mark]

Awesome. Shout out to Christie. One of the most fun venues, especially when we're there for two days. It's great.

[Interviewer/Host]

And yet brutal load.

[Walter Delgado]

Yeah.

[Interviewer/Host]

Kind of a tight stage.

[Colin]

And a haunted elevator.

[Interviewer/Host]

And a haunted ass elevator, you know, so you never know.

[Colin]

Nobody's perfect. All right, Mark, last note. Could you tell us your top four hardcore records of all time?

[Mark]

All right. Silent Majority, Life of a Spectator.

[Interviewer/Host]

That's Long Island.

[Greg Sirwanka]

Yep.

[Mark]

Long Island. King 9 Scared to death.

[Interviewer/Host]

That's Long Island.

[Mark]

That's a Long Island District 9 School of Hard knocks. Recipes.

[Interviewer/Host]

Puerto Rican Mike, New York, Puerto Rico.

[Mark]

Got to put on the last one. Some would argue is hardcore isn't an hardcore. It's kind of a tie between Misery Signals of Malice and the Magnum Heart for seven angel seven Plagues, Jasmine's Lullaby. Kind of interchangeable. I got to do the last Misery Signals tour.

[Interviewer/Host]

And that was awesome.

[Colin]

Up on the front floor.

[Interviewer/Host]

Yeah.

[Mark]

You know, so that's kind of. That'd Be my top four.

[Interviewer/Host]

Very good. Yeah.

[Mark]

Honorable mention master.

[Colin]

Thank you, Mark.

[Sammy]

Okay.

[Interviewer/Host]

Okay. You know, heavy New York.

[Colin]

When you're here, you're here.

[Mark]

Puts off Puerto Rico.

[Interviewer/Host]

He does. He really does.

[Colin]

Well, we'll see you back here in a couple hours in this very same chair.

[Mark]

Thanks, guys.

[Colin]

All right, we're here. Day one is your friend tour. We've got merch, man. Merch. Master Mac Miller here, my very good friend, One of my best friends. How you feeling? Day one of this tour.

[Beau]

Good.

[Mac Miller]

It's hot outside. You know, it's. It's. It's always fun to set the pace for a whole tour with, like, the only outdoor show that's going to be nothing like the rest of the tour.

[Greg Sirwanka]

Perfect.

[Interviewer/Host]

Love it.

[Beau]

Yeah.

[Greg Sirwanka]

How.

[Colin]

How hands on are you with them in terms of developing the spread of items?

[Mac Miller]

This was the first tour that I was super hands on. You like, Sammy kind of banks art. I mean, anytime he sees an artist he likes, he just hits him up, has him design something.

[Colin]

It's the way to do it.

[Mac Miller]

He's got a big old folder of designs, and then I kind of mix and match. I was like, all right, tour shirt. Something different, something for women. Something that's black, something colorful. You know, kind of COVID all the bases. Try not to overlap designs with each other. Yeah. But pretty stoked on how it all came out this time.

[Colin]

Yeah, it's a. It's a diverse spread.

[Mac Miller]

We'll find out tonight.

[Colin]

Crime suckers.

[Walter Delgado]

Yeah.

[Colin]

Grateful Dead. James Busema.

[Tim Fleagle]

Shark.

[Mac Miller]

Metal Core.

[Colin]

Huge back. Yes. That's what it's all about. Pull the trigger. Yeah, exactly. You need one.

[Mac Miller]

You got to pull that trigger.

[Colin]

Especially outdoors and a tent. How does this differ from working with bands like Death Cab and Toastal? Service and Wallows?

[Interviewer/Host]

Yeah.

[Mac Miller]

Well, it's a lot less merch, and it's a lot more merch that I like, but, yeah, it's just different. It's fun. I feel like going on tour with Drain is a treat because it feels like doing the. The DIY tours that I grew up doing, but still in a more. It's like the best of both worlds. They're at a place where it's a little more comfortable. It's my job still. But then we're also, all, like, just being a bunch of idiots in the van. Like, you know, it feels like home.

[Interviewer/Host]

Yes. As opposed to clocking it. Yeah.

[Mac Miller]

It's not that different from if I was touring with Harm's Way or. But, like, it's. It's my job still.

[Greg Sirwanka]

It's.

[Mac Miller]

It's cool.

[Colin]

It's a crew made up of entirely people in like, other hardcore bands.

[Mac Miller]

All our friends. Yeah.

[Interviewer/Host]

Awesome.

[Mac Miller]

It's cool. And it's like coming back for summer camp. Like, you know, Walter is also touring with different bands year round. And it's like, all right. Even if I don't see, when we're all in la, we all come back together for the month.

[Interviewer/Host]

Yeah. Now, Mac, you're in this world. You're the merch, man. Tell us about some trends. What were. What should people invest in for the year? You're saying, hey, this is what's moving this year. We're in March 2026.

[Colin]

Gotta get a squeaker in the. This guy.

[Mac Miller]

I've been off tour for like five months, so we're going to find out real soon.

[Interviewer/Host]

Make a prediction then, you know,

[Colin]

shirts are out.

[Interviewer/Host]

Yeah.

[Colin]

Pants are in.

[Mac Miller]

I think pants should start just selling six different tote bags.

[Interviewer/Host]

Just. Just totes love it. We got to put them in something.

[Mac Miller]

I'm. I'm post T shirt these days.

[Colin]

Okay. I love it. So are we.

[Sammy]

Get a bag for your bag.

[Colin]

Pop them off.

[Tim Fleagle]

Yeah.

[Colin]

And we'll see you in there.

[Mac Miller]

Tarps off. Get in the pit.

[Colin]

Exactly.

[Greg Sirwanka]

All right.

[Colin]

What's your name?

[Sammy]

Mo.

[Mark]

Mo?

[Interviewer/Host]

Yeah.

[Colin]

Who are you here to see?

[Sammy]

I'm here to see all the bands.

[Colin]

That's right.

[Beau]

Drain.

[Colin]

Have you seen Dream before?

[Sammy]

No, it's actually my first time and

[Walter Delgado]

they're from the Bay.

[Colin]

I grew up in the Bay, but

[Sammy]

I, like, moved to Texas and just work and.

[Colin]

What do you expect? What are you expecting from seeing Dream for the first time?

[Interviewer/Host]

To have a lot of fun. Are you expecting props? Maybe?

[Colin]

Yeah, props everything.

[Beau]

Dude, getting thrown around.

[Colin]

Will you be pitting and diving?

[Sammy]

Probably not.

[Beau]

I'm.

[Walter Delgado]

I'm old as.

[Beau]

My back hurts already.

[Colin]

I just can't.

[Walter Delgado]

Did like two shows in a row, so.

[Colin]

Okay, well, let's make it three. We'll see you out there.

[Beau]

All right. Thanks, man.

[Walter Delgado]

All right.

[Colin]

What's your name?

[Beau]

Jonathan.

[Colin]

Jonathan, where are you from?

[Sammy]

Dallas.

[Colin]

Born and raised.

[Interviewer/Host]

Have you seen Drain before?

[Beau]

No.

[Interviewer/Host]

First time seeing Drain.

[Colin]

First time seeing Haywire Wire. They're coming to Dallas. Couldn't miss it.

[Sammy]

I made it here.

[Colin]

What do you expect tonight? My mind to melt. You're gonna be diving, Masha? I want to and I probably will. I just got a fresh tattoo and

[Beau]

it hurts so bad.

[Colin]

But if it gets healed and scarred a little bit, then you have a beautiful memory, a beautiful infection.

[Walter Delgado]

I might have to do it.

[Colin]

Beautiful.

[Sammy]

I probably will.

[Beau]

I got in for shed. When they did that, I was like, fuck, I gotta. I'm in.

[Interviewer/Host]

So you're already there. It's already infected. You're fine.

[Colin]

You and me, I'll see you in there. All right. What's your name? Where are you from? I'm Keno. I'm from the Dallas Fort Worth area. That's what's up. Thanks for having us. Hell, yeah. What's the best. What do you like to do in Dallas? Well, I like to do in Dallas. Yeah.

[Interviewer/Host]

Hardcore.

[Sammy]

Sheen. Shout out Ozone.

[Colin]

Big shout out Ozone.

[Sammy]

Yeah.

[Greg Sirwanka]

Bullworth. Hardcore.

[Interviewer/Host]

Have you seen Dre before?

[Colin]

I have, yeah. I always dress up as a shark. My dad's actually here with us today, too. He's taking off over there. But. Yeah, I usually dress up as a shark, but I'm taking it easy tonight. I had school today, so I had a pop out. Yeah.

[Interviewer/Host]

Take the night off.

[Colin]

They don't. You don't have Shark Day at school? Sometimes, but I always miss it. I'm always absent. Yeah. What do you expect from this show tonight? I'm expecting.

[Sammy]

I want nothing but stage dives.

[Colin]

I want full crowd participation.

[Sammy]

I want everybody in the front.

[Colin]

Represent.

[Sammy]

Texas is hard as hell.

[Colin]

You sing for Terror.

[Sammy]

No, I don't.

[Colin]

Oh, okay. I could have sworn.

[Interviewer/Host]

Sounds familiar.

[Colin]

All right, well, we'll see you in there. Oh, hell, yeah.

[Sammy]

Catch you later.

[Colin]

See you guys. What's your name? Where are you from?

[Interviewer/Host]

Elena.

[Beau]

I'm from Dallas.

[Colin]

Elena. Thanks for having us.

[Interviewer/Host]

Thank you.

[Colin]

Have you seen Drain before?

[Beau]

I've seen Drain lots of times.

[Colin]

Oh, all right. Describe those shows for me.

[Interviewer/Host]

Fucking insane.

[Tim Fleagle]

Yeah.

[Interviewer/Host]

It's like the circus. Oh.

[Colin]

Will you be joining the circus tonight?

[Interviewer/Host]

I will be joining the circus. Trapeze or stilts? Yeah. There we go. Perfect.

[Colin]

Yeah. Well, we hope to see you in there. What's your favorite Drain song?

[Interviewer/Host]

Who's having fun? That's a great song.

[Tim Fleagle]

I do love that song.

[Colin]

It's a great song. All right, we're here. Immediately posted. It's been seconds with the tallest man in the world, Tim from Drain. Night one. How was it?

[Tim Fleagle]

Unbelievable. Unbelievable vibes. Still processing.

[Colin]

I don't think that could have gone any better for a first show, too.

[Interviewer/Host]

First show of a tour. That's crazy.

[Tim Fleagle]

Sick, dude. I like. Oh, my God.

[Interviewer/Host]

Yeah.

[Colin]

How was it playing all those new songs for the first time?

[Tim Fleagle]

Awesome.

[Colin]

Awesome.

[Interviewer/Host]

Yeah.

[Sammy]

Unbelievable.

[Tim Fleagle]

It felt so good.

[Greg Sirwanka]

Sorry, I'm like.

[Tim Fleagle]

I'm still. Still trying to process.

[Colin]

It was seconds ago.

[Tim Fleagle]

I know, I know.

[Interviewer/Host]

Yeah. You're literally still wet.

[Walter Delgado]

What was.

[Colin]

What was the number one Highlight, you think?

[Tim Fleagle]

Honestly, seeing Sammy surf for good new things, like, we were just, like, praying it worked out, and it worked out.

[Interviewer/Host]

Honestly, just. It's magic.

[Tim Fleagle]

Yeah. It was like, yeah.

[Interviewer/Host]

Sorry.

[Tim Fleagle]

I'm like, I'm giving you guys nothing other than. But it was awesome.

[Greg Sirwanka]

I had.

[Colin]

This is a triumphant moment.

[Interviewer/Host]

Yeah.

[Colin]

You're here. The full band is here.

[Tim Fleagle]

Yeah.

[Colin]

New record, a bunch of new songs. How was that, playing all those new songs?

[Tim Fleagle]

So good, man. Loudest in the room with the wall of death was so cool.

[Greg Sirwanka]

Yeah.

[Colin]

What are you looking forward to for the rest of the shows?

[Tim Fleagle]

If every show looked like this, I would be ecstatic. But honestly, every band rocks. Every band kicked ass today. Everyone is cool. I'm bummed you guys are leaving because I wish it could be the whole tour, but.

[Interviewer/Host]

Yeah.

[Tim Fleagle]

Just been unreal vibes.

[Greg Sirwanka]

Speechless.

[Tim Fleagle]

So cool. Cooperation, not competition. That's how. That's how. That's how drain rolls.

[Colin]

That's what the righteous path is all about, you know?

[Tim Fleagle]

These guys know righteous path, baby. Let's go.

[Colin]

All right. We're here with Cody after night one of the drain is your friend tour. How did that feel?

[Beau]

Did incredible, man. It was a great first start to this gonna be awesome tour. You know, I feel amped up already, and I'm so excited also. Thank you guys for being here.

[Colin]

Pleasure having us.

[Interviewer/Host]

You played good. You sounded good. Your downstrokes were still solid.

[Beau]

Thank you, man.

[Interviewer/Host]

How do you feel about your performance?

[Beau]

I feel good about the performance. Like I was saying, my. My little earbuds. I think I might take those out. It was kind of ruining the experience

[Colin]

for me, but you got to protect yourself, man.

[Sammy]

I got to protect myself, but I

[Beau]

like to feel it, you know?

[Colin]

We'll figure that out.

[Beau]

But other than that, show was incredible. Thought we played great. I thought kids were vibing.

[Colin]

Incredible. It's been a few months since the new record came out. This is the first night you played a lot of those songs.

[Beau]

Yeah.

[Colin]

How did it feel to play of those new songs first time?

[Beau]

It felt great. Loudest in the room. That was our first time playing alive.

[Tim Fleagle]

That was.

[Beau]

That felt great. Just with the whole wall of everything. Yeah, it was. It was great.

[Interviewer/Host]

Great.

[Colin]

What was your favorite part of the set?

[Beau]

I think loudest in the room, man.

[Sammy]

I think.

[Tim Fleagle]

Yeah.

[Beau]

I get really soaked on, like, the newer songs, you know, every time we get to play those for the first time, that's like. I'm like, yeah.

[Interviewer/Host]

And they all worked. Every new song sounded great. People loved it. People knew the words. They all worked.

[Beau]

Thank you awesome.

[Colin]

Can you believe the paddle board worked?

[Sammy]

Yeah.

[Beau]

I was like, you know what? Let's see how this goes. I was kind of, like, doing the chin thing, like. And then I was like. And I was like, yeah. And it was incredible. And I can't wait to see it a million more times on the store, so.

[Colin]

Amen. Well, we can't wait to see it, too. What are you looking forward to do recreationally between shows?

[Beau]

Recreationally? Go to the gym, man. I need to get a pump.

[Mark]

That's why I'm talking.

[Beau]

I'm in the gym since I was, like, home, so.

[Interviewer/Host]

Yeah.

[Colin]

You're making beats, too?

[Beau]

I make beats, man.

[Coleman]

Yeah.

[Interviewer/Host]

Sir.

[Colin]

Dude, tell me about beats.

[Mark]

What's your doll?

[Beau]

FL Studio. FL Studio 2022.

[Colin]

FL Studio, soldier boy.

[Beau]

Tell them.

[Colin]

Yeah, exactly, dude. Yeah.

[Sammy]

A lot of.

[Beau]

A lot of great hits were made on FL Studio.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Interviewer/Host]

Yeah.

[Beau]

I started with FL11 when I was 16, 17. Now I have 22, so that's what's up.

[Colin]

Well, we can't wait to hear about the rest of the tour. You're rocking, dude.

[Beau]

Thank you.

[Colin]

You're locked in. You're rocked in. We'll see you soon. We're here with Sammy from Drain in immediately after the first show in Dallas. What's going on through your mind right now?

[Sammy]

I'm feeling ecstatic. It's crazy when you think about a plan and then it actually works out, but, like, better. What you plan?

[Interviewer/Host]

Let's talk about it, dude.

[Walter Delgado]

Plan.

[Interviewer/Host]

How did you do it?

[Sammy]

I. I don't know. It's awesome. You know what? I didn't think it was going to pan out. That's kind of scary, but that was awesome, dude. Got on the board, made it work all the way out. Didn't drop. I jumped in. Incredible, dude.

[Interviewer/Host]

You did, like, once you got on, you were high up, dude.

[Sammy]

I'm not gonna lie. I really was like, please don't drop it, because. Yeah, it's just gravel and we're up there.

[Colin]

The mic was gone.

[Sammy]

Oh. Immediately I tried to dangle it down and just, like, kind of lost. Yeah. Night one. We're gonna get there.

[Colin]

We're unbelievable. Core strengths.

[Sammy]

It was kind of a lot, dude. I got back on the stage where it's, like, solid and my legs are like, jello, dude. I'm just, like, trying to balance it out great, though, man.

[Colin]

You pulled it off first try, dude. Miraculously. How was your hair?

[Sammy]

Dry already, dude. I balding, dude. Let's go, Neutropol. Send the check.

[Colin]

Okay, dude.

[Interviewer/Host]

So you played a lot of New songs? Yeah, first time, some of them.

[Colin]

How'd it feel?

[Sammy]

Feels good, man. You know the feeling where, like, we know the song and you just don't know where you breathe, what part you breathe?

[Colin]

Like muscle memory, dude.

[Sammy]

The other ones, like, I don't even think. I just know it's like, finish that line. So I had to figure that. But, dude, it feels great, man. It was like. You know how nerves go. You get up there, I have all these things, like, planned I want to say, and, dude, then you just go

[Colin]

and rip it, and then you're just

[Sammy]

like, what's up, dude? Started my way through the whole thing with song.

[Tim Fleagle]

Start the song.

[Sammy]

Oh, there's one. I'm like, okay, let's go, let's go. It was great, though, man. I'm so glad you guys were here. So we got to do it. I'm still doing here if you were here, Dallas. Thank you, man.

[Colin]

It was incredible. What are you looking forward to for the rest of the shows?

[Sammy]

Dude, you know what? Honestly, it sounds dumb, and there's things that probably nobody else would notice, but as players, you know, know little things. I want to get a little. I just want to hone in on a little bit. I want to just hit that pitch.

[Interviewer/Host]

I want.

[Sammy]

I want to breathe. I want to feel a little more juiced. Yeah, that's gonna come from time, I say. That's in my stamina, I think. I just want to. You know, it's the first show we play in a couple months.

[Interviewer/Host]

Oh, that'll do it.

[Sammy]

You know, I'm just kind of going in, just excited and just went for it. So I'm hoping to get my. Find my flow, you know, and just feel like stamina the whole way, not, like, strong bursts, you know what I mean?

[Colin]

Tell me about how it felt to get the production together and feel everything right the first time. And seeing the lineup that you put

[Sammy]

together tonight, dude, unbelievable. You know, and that's the thing, like, I. It's a bummer when you. You have so many dope bands. You and you have to stretch or get warmed up. You don't want to miss it. You know, I, like, caught a little bit of no pressure. Like, I gotta go, like, warm up, guys. Watch all the secret world, all the haywire. Literally, no pressure. It's incredible, man. It's. This is kind of what my Spotify would look like, you know what I mean? Like, tiny little corner. If it's a sunny day, this is what my Spotify is looking like, so. And we got to experience that but yeah, like walking up the little ramp, like I'm not too good to put a, put a palm tree up myself. But for the show environment it's kind of cool.

[Walter Delgado]

We have help.

[Sammy]

They put it up. So I kind of got to walk out. I said like, oh, this is it, dude. It's like that like big ass warehouse, but it's real. Yeah, there's like lights hitting these trees and like it's just really cool. It was special, man. I'm excited to get to do that every night, dude.

[Colin]

Yeah, it was perfect, dude.

[Sammy]

Almost slice of heaven right here. How about that, man?

[Colin]

We're signing off here. Drain 2026 is your friend. Thank you Monster for bringing us out. Thank you Drain, for having us. It's going to be an incredible tour. You're going to love it. See you soon.

[Walter Delgado]

See you there.

[Sammy]

Thank you guys.