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HardLore's 3 Year Anniversary Q&A Special
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Happy 3 year anniversary to us! We can't thank you enough for the support these past 3 beautiful years. We celebrated by sharing a few of our favorite moments from the past year, and then with a big special Q&A where we answered questions submitted by HardLore Patrons. We love you all and we're just getting started. Peace! Join the HARDLORE PATREON to ask questions on future episodes like these, and to watch every single weekly episode early and ad-free, alongside exclusive monthly episodes: https://patreon.com/hardlorepod Join the HARDLORE DISCORD: https://discord.gg/jA9rppggef Cool links: HardLore Official Website/HardLore Records store: https://hardlorepod.com Get 15% off MADD VINTAGE with code HARDLORE15! https://maddvintage.com/ Get 20% OFF @manscaped + Free Shipping with promo code HARDLORE at MANSCAPED.com! #ad #manscapedpod FOLLOW HARDLORE: INSTAGRAM | https://www.instagram.com/hardlorepod/ TWITTER | https://twitter.com/hardlorepod SPOTIFY | https://spoti.fi/3J1GIrp AP...
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A
Hello, welcome. It's hard Lore time. How are you, Bo?
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B
I'm doing so good.
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A
Welcome home. You just had a crazy tour in Europe. We just did three weeks back to back to back of some of our best episodes ever. Objectively, it's been, it's been a great month for the show. We appreciate you taking this, this wild ride with us. It's also our anniversary.
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B
Three years.
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A
Three years. It feels like much longer than that. It also feels like it's all gone by so fast.
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B
I agree. That's exactly right. It feels like 10 and six months.
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A
That's 156 straight weeks of talking about stuff. It's not easy. You know, if it seems easy, you don't see the dark time. The dark side is there, the dark side of Straight Edge. But it's, you know, everything's. Everything's good. We're psyched to be doing this. It's the coolest thing in the world. We appreciate the help.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Appreciate the support. All of you watching and listening week in, week out. Yeah, we're always on them Spotify music podcast charts. You know, we're always in the top 50.
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B
That's crazy. We're at all times as of time of recording, we are one above no Jumper.
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A
That feels right, you know, Just saying. But also it's just like considering the subject material, you know, this is such a niche little thing that we get to talk about and we're, we're very excited to have you all. So we're going to do a classic anniversary Q A today, answering all of our questions submitted by our, our Patreon members. Before that, we wanted to talk about and just give a little shout out to Floor Punch this. The book is out today via Shining Life Press. It's unbelievable. It is one of the the most comprehensive pieces of hardcore punk physical media you will ever see in your entire life.
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B
It's unbelievable. It's got all the merch in the back. I've never even heard of such a thing.
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A
No, this is it. As members, they interviewed all the ops. They. All the rumors are in there. All the stories are in there. Porter will be on the show at some point to talk about it. It chronicles every show, every detail of this band's career. So making an interview with them is going to be hard because he's going to be like, well, if you read the book, I talked about that. But John Zach and our buddy Tom Boitz, who did the layout, truly, truly outdid themselves on this thing. Go to Shining Life press dot com. Get a Copy. Now, I just bought another one that maybe I'll give away to one of you at some point. But. Yeah, but to get started for this anniversary thing, we. We each picked three of our favorite moments.
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B
Yes.
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A
From the past fiscal. The hard lore. Fiscal year to share with you and go over and just. And kind of highlight three little things that maybe. Maybe went under the radar for some people. Do you want to start? Give me. Give me one of yours.
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B
My. The first thing that came to mind was me telling Vinnie was the Vinnie Stigma episode is like, my favorite episode I think we've ever done.
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A
That's one of mine as well.
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B
And the first thing that came to mind was when he's telling something, he says, Dec. 21, and for some reason say, my mom's birthday. And he goes, oh, wow. Anyway, it is.
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A
Even so it was December 21st.
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B
It's my mom's birthday. Oh, wow.
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A
Anyway, you live right there, dude.
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B
He. There's several of those because I like, I like I'll tell Stephen the timestamp, but I was, like, scrolling through the episode. You know, he does that a lot. Even when you, when you say, do you realize how funny your timing is? And he goes, well, anyway, that's the next moment.
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A
It's insane. It's a genius.
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B
He's a genius. It's so fucking funny, and it's perfect. And like, he, I think he knew, you know, because we had never really met a really interface that much. So I think he was, like, breaking the ice in such a humorous way.
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A
Do. Well, when we asked music things for the first two hours, he would say, that's well documented. And then. And then later would answer it. But my favorite moment from that episode was when we were sitting at dinner at the pizza place. Was it Lombardi's? Something like that? First pizzeria in America. Yeah. Was when Mike DeJean was telling the story of his first tour, where it was mad ball and crown of thorns, and they hid the Pete Steele Playgirl in Vinnie's bunk. Playgirls.
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B
Pete Steele centerfold. Yeah.
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A
Had just came out. Oh, man. And there were Road Runner girls distributing it everywhere. At the festival, we, like, we snuck a magazine under Vinnie's pillow. I remember that. Yeah. We're all hanging out and then, like.
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B
I think you're like Hoya, or like, like, yo, yo, Vinny. What's this? What's on your mind?
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A
You know, I know you and Pete.
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B
Were tight, but what the.
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A
That's a. I, I, I feel honored to bring that piece of information to the world.
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B
Yeah, you Know that. And yeah, it's a privilege to have been at a dinner table, eating the first pizzeria in America with that company and hearing that story. Yeah.
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A
Beautiful stuff. So thanks, Dan Seeley, for setting that whole thing up. Thanks, Mike Dejon for joining us. Thanks, Rob Menzer for shooting the whole thing. Beautiful. What's another one of yours?
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B
Next one that came to mind was during the Heaviest Bands tournament episode when I called Saba and he's on a boat.
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A
Oh, yeah.
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B
And sides with me, obviously, but he's on a boat. And it's just like the most Saba thing.
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A
It's true. He's on Harvey's Lake.
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B
He's on Harvey's Lake on a boat. Just. No problem.
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A
In one of the most controversial moments ever on the show. Hit it, Steven.
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B
Yo. You're on the podcast right now. He's on a boat. He's on a fucking boat. He's on Harvey's Lake. Yo. We're doing a heaviest Bands bracket. Okay.
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A
Yeah, yeah.
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B
We need your objective opinion. This is for Heavy, not hard. Yeah. Heavy D aside versus Typo Negative. Who is the heavier band?
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A
Typo.
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B
No, Easily.
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A
Easily Typo by leaps and bounds.
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B
I, I. No, I would agree. Is that all you called me for? That's all I called you for, baby. We need an expert.
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A
That's simple.
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B
It's that simple.
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A
Yeah.
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B
All right.
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A
Typo Negative. By, by a head and a flank.
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B
Perfect.
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A
This is. This is not right.
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B
Colin's pissed.
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A
We're ties. Double tie. Colin, get your ears checked.
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B
It's just my favorite. It's just quintessential him. And really just a fond memory.
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A
I agree.
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B
Yeah.
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A
One of the first things that came. The first thing that came to my mind was from the Family Feud episode. Ah, the Alex leg setup. Now, Alec, look at me. Depends on fan. Look at me.
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B
There. More. More cables and strings. Break the drum.
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A
Right?
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B
100%.
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A
Okay.
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B
This is mean.
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A
Okay.
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B
More sticks are drunk.
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A
How did you line your.
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B
God? Pure coincidence.
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A
Pure coincidence. Alec, name something most likely to break on stage.
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B
A part of my body.
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A
Show me how it's.
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B
Yes. Yes. It worked.
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A
This was one in a billion.
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B
Like, you guys need to understand that this. While it was planned to be asked, of course.
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A
Yeah.
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B
It was not planned in that order in any way.
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A
It was not guaranteed to land on Alec for this question at all.
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B
We didn't like. Yeah, there was no like, arranging of it. Just. That's the way it happened.
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A
It was truly, truly one. One in a million. And his leg really do be breaking on stage. So don't get better than that.
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B
No, no, that was. That's a really good, good one. I kind of forgot about that moment, but that was. That's a really good pick.
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A
Yeah.
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B
And lastly, another one of my favorite episodes, because it was really just me and you riffing the whole day was the Punk Rock Museum almost exactly a year ago. Like, a little. Little less or a little more. But it was from last year. And when we discovered. When she says, oh, this is Wesley Willis's keyboard, and you go, no fucking way. We were not more excited the entire day than that moment.
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A
And no, I think the whole time we were walking around like, yeah, this is cool, man. It's really cool. And then we got to that, and we were like, this is maybe one of the greatest travel destinations in America.
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B
TripAdvisor number one. And then number one, we listened to nothing but Wesley Willis, Bon Jovi and Chrome X for the next two.
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A
Two days. Yeah, that was a great trip. Hit it, Steven. No.
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B
No way. A Chicago leg.
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A
Does it have the drums on it? Is it turned on?
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B
Yeah.
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A
Holy. Oh, this might be the craziest thing in here. Oh, my God.
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B
What?
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A
No way. Suck a caribou's ass. Suck a caribou's ass.
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B
Pin Rol McDonald. Really cool.
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A
Just. Just. That's a. That's a. That's a life milestone right there.
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B
Yeah.
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A
My last. One of my favorite moments from this past year is from a very recent episode. It's from the Todd episode. And I think this little moment is such a great example of Todd's mind and his personality.
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B
Okay.
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A
And it's when, towards the end of the episode, he drops a huge exclusive about Carry On.
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B
Yes.
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A
Can I. Can I drop an exclusive?
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B
Absolutely, you can, by all means.
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A
Me and Ryan from Carry on are doing a new band, and it sounds just like Carry On.
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B
Wow.
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A
I got five songs demoed on my phone. Ryan's writing a youth code record. And then.
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B
And then it's time.
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A
Is there a name yet? Nah, no name yet. Will you play Carry on songs? That's the plan.
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B
Okay. It's all I needed.
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A
That's a great year. That's a beautiful year.
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B
That's great to hear. I. I love the idea that you are 4 LPS deep into nails and you want to pick up where Carry on left off for that project.
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A
I don't want to pick up or Carry on left off. I want to play music with Ryan that sounds exactly like Carry On.
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B
Love it.
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A
It's awesome.
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B
Well, well said.
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A
Him saying you. You being like, it's so cool. You're gonna pick up where Carry on left off. And he's like, no, not really. We're just gonna play in a band together, and it's gonna sound exactly like Carry On.
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B
I had a moment or something that I was. Something I wish I had done in an episode that just came to me not too long ago was during the episode when I hold up that 10 inch, the humanity is the devil. 10 inch. And he's like, yeah, we didn't get any money from that. I. I wish I, like, threw it or snapped it or something. I, like, regret not doing that because what do I care? You know what I mean?
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A
Yeah. It's worthless now.
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B
It's worthless to me.
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A
Yeah. All right. Well, those are. Those are three of our favorite moments, each from this past year. We hope you enjoyed those episodes. If you haven't seen them, check them out. Check them all out. We worked just as hard on every single one.
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B
Let's hear your favorites in the comments. Oh, what may have we forgotten? I like to know what the people like, you know?
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A
Great idea. Great idea. So how was. How was that tour you just did? You just did a European tour?
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B
Yeah. I have been back home for less than 24 hours. Had. Don't ever fly Delta. Delta Airlines can fucking suck me sideways. It is the worst major airline in my opinion.
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A
I just became a gold member at Delta, so this is good.
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B
So maybe fly Delta sometimes? No, but on the way there, we missed our layover in jfk and they had to, like, scramble and blah, blah. So they lost all of our everything. Everything a band needs, they lost.
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A
Excellent.
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B
And then we got it kind of one by one. And then we got Chris's Symbols. Chris's Symbols arrived at set time on the biggest show of the tour, which was London bricks and Academy 5000 cap. Sold out room set at set time. At set time, they arrived, so we didn't get them.
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A
I mean, you barely made it to that show to begin with.
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B
Yeah, yeah, it was. It was crazy. We were supposed to get there with, like, a day to chill and everything, and we got there with, like, 12 hours to chill, which, wow, we made it work. All of that was incredible. Everything is really, really a blur. The bus is a time capsule. The privilege of being able to go to sleep whenever you want also means you just time travel. You just warp speed. You know what I mean?
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A
Did you. Do you sleep well on it?
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B
So my crux is I can only sleep when the bus is moving. It's a little colder, and there's something in the rumbling. That's very comfortable.
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A
I love the rumble.
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B
And I pass out. I mean, it's pitch black. I'm out the second we stop. Whether it's for like a rest stop or gas or we get to where we're going. Yeah. It's literally that. It's. It's the beginning of whatever movie where I.
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A
Sure.
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B
I. Oh, Colin, I'm so glad I just remember this. I have the ultimate analogy for what bus touring is. It is. It is a new play of an Elder Scrolls game. Every single day you wake up in a familiar place. You don't really know what's going on. You gather random shit you can find.
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A
You're finally awake.
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B
Hold on, we're getting there. You gather random shit you can find. You make your way out a very basic path. And then you check your phone for the directions. You check your little quest log for how to get to where you need to go. Your map. You go and you get into a thing and a fucking security guard stops you and says, hey, who are you supposed to be? And then you kind of create a character. And then your whole day is just side quests all day. And the main quest is playing the show, but everything else is just side quests. Were you khajiit every time.
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A
You need to sneak?
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B
I love sneaking. They can see. They can see better at night. That's crazy. Yeah.
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A
They can see Pitch Black, what we need.
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B
So. Yeah, it was really cool. All of the shows were good. All of the shows went off without a single hitch.
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A
Wow.
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B
I. With the exception of the Leipzig show. Something happened with James Vocal mit, which sucks because we do a lot of vocal effects stuff now.
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A
Yeah.
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B
So that. That was brutal. But other than that, everything was good. I hate saying, like, so and so's team were amazing. Knock Loose's team because they truly have like a full team with them.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Are so pro and so sick and so helpful and like, there was no bullshit the entire time.
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A
That's huge.
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B
I. I could not be happier for a group of people who I think deserve it more than Knock Loose. Plans that they have for the future are huge. Everything that they're going to do is huge.
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A
And their team is all like Corman, right?
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B
It's all hardcore dudes. Like a lot of edgman. All hardcore dudes. The tm who is like their main guy. His best friend is our guy dmai, who's one of my favorite people I've ever met overseas. Just like top to bottom, amazing, cool, super pro and really impressive.
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A
Was this the best Harm's Way tour, you think?
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B
Best Harm's Way European tour for sure. Especially, like, we finally got to support. We. We headline a lot and those are tougher. Supporting without like a single doubt. Best German shows for sure. Also basement. Incredible group of guys. Really cool.
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A
Did they remember the thing when. When the homie spilled the food, the plate of food on James from day one of our tour.
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B
No.
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A
You didn't even talk about it?
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B
Didn't even. Not even one second. I don't think James knew that. Remind me, what's the singer's name?
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A
Andrew.
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B
Andrew.
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A
Yes, Andrew. Remember he walked in, grabbed the plate of the catering, dumped it on James.
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B
Ple.
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A
You don't. How do you not remember this?
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B
I have no recollection.
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A
And he said, hi, my name is Andrew. I'm a complete idiot. And James said, nice to meet you, idiot.
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B
I don't think they even knew. I guarantee you, James will go. What?
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A
That was day one of our tour. Or like day two or three.
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B
Holy.
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A
You didn't talk about that at all.
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B
It never came up.
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A
You needed me there.
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B
No one remembered that. I guarantee it. This makes me want to call James.
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A
I remember. How was pest control overnight?
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B
Pest control was. I mean, they're in a tough slot, opening for something in, like, not the most removed sonically, but, like, different sonically.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Killed it. Every night.
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A
Huge.
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B
Every night. They sounded incredible. They used those nano quad cortex straight into front of house. Sounded amazing. Every night, straight into front of house. No cabs. They. They started with cabs. And they're like, yeah, we really don't need it. And they sound.
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A
The cab sim thing.
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B
They sounded awesome.
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A
So scary.
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B
It is scary. I know. And I, like, got to, like, see how everything worked. It's pretty sick.
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A
So it's all wedges.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Horrifying.
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B
I know it is. Because what if the wedge sucks? I know.
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A
Yeah. Which they always do. They always do.
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B
Pest control was great. Leah was, like, very good at getting the crowd to engage, which in Europe is kind of the toughest part. Yeah, you know, they sound language barrier, etc.
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A
You know, it's already hard.
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B
They sounded great. They did great.
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A
Was there a city you spent time in that really got you this time?
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B
We spent extra time in London, Brussels and Berlin. Berlin is still brutal. Brussels was cool this time. It used to be. I used to not really be crazy about it. And by the end of this, I dug it. The actual. All the shows are giant. Like, the biggest venues that aren't amphitheaters, you know, total thing. So in Brussels, we Were like in this, the city square, like by the cathedrals and everything. So it's like you just got to walk around and see everything was really cool. London had to shoom, which I did. You have, you had that?
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A
I've never had it. So in like the most popular Indian place, right?
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B
Yeah. So we had a day off before we went to the mainland and we hit all the viral like tick tock. So we got like a viral sandwich.
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A
Here's what I did in a day in London.
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B
Yeah, exactly. So we got like a viral sandwich from a market. The. What is it? Dubai chocolate covered strawberries.
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A
Oh, what do you think of that?
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B
It tasted like chocolate covered strawberries.
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A
Oh, okay. But you haven't had the like Dubai chocolate bar.
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B
I have had it and I love pistachio. It's great. But this particular thing wasn't all that crazy. They had a creme brulee filled and torched donut, which was.
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A
Now you're, now you're speaking my language.
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B
Yeah. Yeah, right. It was pretty good. And Dishoom was outstanding. As a new Indian food guy, I really, really enjoyed it. It was really awesome.
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A
How would you compare that to what you've had?
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B
Dude smokes it. I'm just, okay. I'm just being honest.
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A
I mean, I, I, I would, I would think so.
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B
It, you know, it was way more impressive to me.
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A
I have leftovers in my fridge. I can't wait to eat it after this.
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B
But I'll tell you what. My. We walked 12 miles that day.
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A
Okay.
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B
It was like 30 something thousand steps. And I did a lot of that over the tour. So. A lot of walking, a lot of exploring, you know, boring, boring stuff. That the one bummer about the bus thing is like you don't really get to, you're not killing time out of necessity because it's like you get to the venue in the morning, you can shower, you can like it's so pro and normalized that like you don't have to go out. So sometimes you.
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A
But you, but you have the time. Much more versus a van tour.
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B
Right, Exactly. But you don't have to utilize it. So if you get lazy, you're just chilling, there's catering.
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A
But the whole idea is don't get lazy when you have access to this thing.
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B
Sounds great.
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A
Yeah.
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B
And then, then it was, it was time for. Oh, we did the big. I should, I should explain. So basement pranked us and all came out and did the Running man while we played Infestation.
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Pretty good.
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Pretty good. And we didn't think of Anything I wish we all saw crowd surf during their. Like the big hit for them is that yeah Covet song. It's been in my head for weeks. I can't get it out. So we should have done that. But then everyone but Brian and some of their crew knew that we were gonna. Brian comes out during the last song of the Knox Looset and he plays guitar also. So we thought we got more than enough guitars. Let's all do the same. Everybody passed out guitars and surprised him. That's why we're all playing on stage at the end. Just not plugged in and just silly.
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A
It's for the vibes, you know, purely.
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B
And it was just like a perfect little cherry on top of like a really good tour that by the end of it I was like, I could have done weeks more of this because it was totally so chill.
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A
Got to do the B leg, you know.
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B
Yeah. Hit all that. Well, that's the thing is like we didn't do like Scandinavia at all. We didn't do Switzerland or Italy or anything, you know, Poland. Nothing. It was all just Germany, France, England.
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A
Kept it simple.
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B
Very simple.
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A
Room for more.
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B
But then the dream on the way home didn't sleep a wink. And we got it. We had to get picked up for our flight at 5:30 in the morning. The show ended at 11, already rough. And then, you know, you're hanging out. It's the last night of tour because blah, blah. And then. And then suddenly someone realizes it's daylight savings in Europe, so that four hours goes to three. We.
- [22:58]
A
We got to knock it off with the spring and forward. Man. It ruins me for six straight months.
- [23:03]
B
I don't get it. I don't. I still. Every time I think, isn't it for farmers? Well, it's. It's so that you don't wake up. It's so that you don't wake up dark and go home dark. Instead you wake up dark and go home while it's an hour left. That's the reason.
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A
Horseshit.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Work hours have changed. It's not even nine to five anymore.
- [23:26]
B
Yeah. That's not even really a thing.
- [23:27]
A
It's all based on that. They. They added, you got to pay for lunch. Now it's at six, you know.
- [23:32]
B
Yeah.
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A
So knock it off.
- [23:35]
B
That was brutal.
- [23:36]
A
Savings. The biggest scam in American history. And European, I guess.
- [23:41]
B
We flew home, I didn't sleep and we landed and they lost my pedal board again. Again. Yeah. And what's crazy is for those of you who know what a pelican is My pelican on that first flight there got crushed. Broken. Broken.
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A
Straight up.
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B
Straight up. I, I filed a warranty claim.
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A
And that's like. Pelicans are built to not do that. They.
- [24:04]
B
They can get shot. And this is, this is crushed and a latch is broken to where it. It won't close anymore.
- [24:13]
A
Like, that's, that's a guy going, look.
- [24:17]
B
Yeah, straight up that. Delta.
- [24:19]
A
Wow. Come on. Delta.
- [24:21]
B
Unbelievable.
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A
Delta hates harm's way.
- [24:24]
B
They're not, they're not into it.
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A
Somebody in the. I. I was scanning the Patreon questions, and one of them was pet peeves recently.
- [24:34]
B
Oh.
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A
All of my pet peeves recently are about air travel.
- [24:40]
B
Beautiful. I'm fresh on it. So hit me.
- [24:42]
A
So I've got a couple written down before we get into the rest of the questions. If we want to. If, if we want to just really get our gears ground now, please keep.
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B
In mind that I episode idea I had was to create presentations on the subject. And mine was going to be PSA for air travel.
- [24:58]
A
Okay.
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B
But maybe we'll forget. Maybe the listener will forget. So.
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A
Exactly. So first thing that pisses me off is landing for, like a connection or even getting there and having to take a shuttle or a tram. Do better, build better, Redo the blueprint. You it up already. You immediately it up.
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B
I got stuff, you know, I got so much stuff.
- [25:23]
A
I gotta take a shuttle to a tram or a tram with my stuff. You've. You've failed. You've ruined it.
- [25:28]
B
The shuttle is insane too, because sometimes, like, you're walking off the plane and then they have you wait because they have to wait for a new shuttle to come because it can fit 50 people and there's 300 on an airplane.
- [25:40]
A
And they all need to go to opposite ends of the airport because that's where your connection is. You failed. You ruined it. Start over.
- [25:45]
B
That's a. That's a great pick.
- [25:48]
A
Putting somebody entering airplane. Putting their bag in the overhead compartment way before their seat.
- [25:55]
B
Yeah. Why are you doing that?
- [25:57]
A
You're rude. You're a piece of shit. You're scum. That means. So when the plane lands, you're going, oh, I gotta. I gotta get up there. My bag's up there. Your bag doesn't belong up there. It belongs in the back with you.
- [26:08]
B
It belongs under or over you.
- [26:11]
A
Or under your seat.
- [26:12]
B
Or under your seat. Which I never do, by the way. That's. But that's here. But that's my. The point is there is always room.
- [26:19]
A
Yeah. No matter what. And also, it's the planes designs fault. If there's not room for a bag on top for everyone and you fail, you ruined it. They'll check it, restart over.
- [26:32]
B
They'll just check it for you like that. That's why people want to get. And that's why the chaos to get in line on a plane is always so bad, is because people are worried about putting their bag above. If they check it for you, it just goes into a compartment and then it's immediately taken off.
- [26:47]
A
So it's like that. That's already easy. But what I'm saying is that the plane has been designed wrong. If there is not overhead space for one bag per person.
- [26:58]
B
Per person. Yeah.
- [26:59]
A
The plane is wrong. Which we fucked it up. Then why are there more seats than there is spaces for bags?
- [27:06]
B
That doesn't make any sense.
- [27:07]
A
You blew it. You fucked it up again. Redo the blueprint for the airport. Redo the blueprint for the airplane.
- [27:13]
B
Anyway, you're getting me going.
- [27:15]
A
Here's another one.
- [27:15]
B
Yeah.
- [27:16]
A
Trying to exit a plane before me when you sit behind me.
- [27:20]
B
What the fuck is that?
- [27:22]
A
If you're in the row, if you're two rows behind me because you're in the aisle, you stand up and you start inching towards my space. No, I, I'm before you. This is a line. It's how we're in line.
- [27:33]
B
It's how it works.
- [27:34]
A
I don't care how hard I have to check somebody.
- [27:38]
B
Yeah.
- [27:38]
A
When I get up to get up, nobody fucking behind me is getting out before me. It's not happening. I don't care what I have to do.
- [27:47]
B
Okay?
- [27:48]
A
A grown man in a middle seat. There's, there's, there's apps now. There's options. There's always a choice of where to sit. As soon as you book the flight, you get to pick where you sit.
- [27:59]
B
And, and if not, when you check in, you can, you can be like.
- [28:04]
A
Hey, I'm a grown man. Is there anywhere else I can sit?
- [28:07]
B
Can I spend $38 and just sit somewhere else?
- [28:11]
A
You can't look and like, they're never courteous when they're the grown man in the middle seat.
- [28:17]
B
You know, oh my God.
- [28:19]
A
And if I get stuck as the grown man, as the grown man in the middle seat, I'm like, you know, I'm like, I don't want to inconvenience anybody. I should not be here. This is my mistake.
- [28:30]
B
This is my mistake.
- [28:31]
A
So if you're a grown man, get out of the middle seat. Listen, you gotta give me one fucking chain restaurant per Terminal, you know.
- [28:40]
B
Yeah.
- [28:41]
A
One safe chain option or, or even for coffee sometimes just doesn't exist.
- [28:48]
B
You know that's a really good point. Is like the safe idea where it's like I just need something. I know I, my stomach can handle.
- [28:55]
A
I don't need sushi right now.
- [28:56]
B
Wow. That's actually a really valid1.
- [28:59]
A
It's 8am you know it's, it's. Or it's 7am and the coffee place is closed still. Nobody needs coffee in the world more than somebody who got to an Airport from 5 to 7am I don't think.
- [29:15]
B
Things should close in an airport.
- [29:17]
A
I mean, I'm with you. There are human beings working with them and that's, you know, the one factor. But we get, we can create more jobs by rotating them and staying open all the time.
- [29:27]
B
There's human beings who need jobs too. Yeah, exactly.
- [29:31]
A
And my final one.
- [29:32]
B
Yeah.
- [29:33]
A
Rideshare a mile away from the fucking baggage claim.
- [29:36]
B
Dude bomb lax. Send LAX into the.
- [29:40]
A
Dude, you think. But I'm telling you, you think LAX is bad. Austin, Texas.
- [29:45]
B
Oh, okay.
- [29:47]
A
Is legit. A near. Is probably a half mile walk with and like with gear.
- [29:54]
B
With all your. Yeah.
- [29:56]
A
Is like I'm homicidal.
- [30:00]
B
Yeah.
- [30:00]
A
Omnicidal deicide. In those moments it's, I'm just thinking about like who can I kill for this?
- [30:08]
B
Are you allowed to take the trolley with you?
- [30:11]
A
I mean maybe, but it's so far that I don't think there's any space there to leave it. Like there's no. I feel like the employees are like I'm not going to get the ride share trolleys. Those are far as.
- [30:21]
B
Dude, another thing about LAX too. And then I do have some like I, I have to speak on now.
- [30:26]
A
Yeah.
- [30:27]
B
LAX was designed when two lanes going through the horseshoe because that's what LAX is. Right. It's like a horseshoe. When you're, when you're picking someone up. It's a horseshoe with the parking garage in the middle. Which Little hack. For those of you don't know, there's 45 minutes free parking in that parking garage in the center of lax. So if you're going to pick someone up, park and go and meet him at the baggage claim. It's really nice and it's free.
- [30:47]
A
Totally.
- [30:48]
B
Anyway, two lanes. It's two lanes. It's two lanes in a place with 50 million cars.
- [30:56]
A
I could talk about LAX all day, you know. There's not a single McDonald's in sight in, in the biggest. In the most dense, densely traveled airport in the world.
- [31:10]
B
You know, how is there not an in and out?
- [31:12]
A
I just get to work, guys. There used to be a Shake Shack. It closed. Oh, things close there I think is the thing. But like how. How are you mismanaging an airport restaurant? How is that not killing?
- [31:25]
B
Here's some of my. My new pet peeves that I have.
- [31:28]
A
All right.
- [31:29]
B
Every single armrest raises, even the outer one, there's a little button underneath. You hit that button, it'll raise.
- [31:36]
A
I didn't know that.
- [31:37]
B
What that will allow you to do is when. If you do have a middle seat or the window seat or even your own seat, you don't have to hang on the back of the person's seat in front of you like you're gonna fucking die, dude.
- [31:48]
A
That's when you're like. Because somebody grabs your. Is crazy, dude.
- [31:53]
B
It's insane. How do you not realize that there's a person who might be asleep going home to some family tragedy, have an important business? Like how are you not putting your empathizing, putting yourself in that person's shoes?
- [32:03]
A
It's the bottom of the barrel of humanity.
- [32:05]
B
So lift those up. Lift. If you're on the aisle and someone needs to get out, lift it up for them. Help them be.
- [32:11]
A
I didn't know that the aisle one went up.
- [32:13]
B
All of them. Every single one. There's a little button right where it connects. You just push it and it'll lift right up and you can scoot right out. You don't have to grab on.
- [32:19]
A
Miraculous.
- [32:20]
B
It's so helpful.
- [32:21]
A
Miraculous.
- [32:22]
B
If I. Okay, just look behind you a little bit before you put your seat back. It's not your fault. These seeds were designed ineffectively.
- [32:34]
A
It, it, it. And that one. It's hard to. I know to knock people there cuz it's. It's like they. We're all here for the same reason exact 100% and we're all uncomfortable.
- [32:44]
B
Sometimes people like me have to sleep forward and I'll sleep on the. On the tray if I have to. When you put your seat back, you are breaking my neck. You're ending my life. Maybe breaking a laptop. Who knows what you're doing, but just give a little. That's all.
- [33:02]
A
They should design them to be slow release. You know, really. It should have to be like, oh.
- [33:08]
B
That'S not a bad idea.
- [33:11]
A
Which sounds expensive, but you know, they got money here's. They're fine.
- [33:15]
B
I got two more.
- [33:16]
A
Okay. Every.
- [33:17]
B
Some airlines do do this and some most don't. Every plane should be boarded according. Last to first, last to first. If I'm the last row, put me in group two after first class or whatever. I understand the first class thing, that's fine. It's great. If I'm. If I have to go to the end of the plane, why am I in boarding group seven, regardless of when I checked in?
- [33:40]
A
I mean, that's, that's social class warfare, baby. This is, this is, this is. It is like a class system. It's like, well, you haven't flown enough with us.
- [33:47]
B
Yeah.
- [33:48]
A
And you don't. You haven't spent enough money with us, therefore you're not important. We're going to accommodate you last. Get back there.
- [33:54]
B
Total dog shit.
- [33:55]
A
But the thing is, if that was the system, those back of the plane people would be taking advantage of the overhead compartment things, as I said earlier.
- [34:03]
B
And then that's the other thing is like, why are the flight attendants not like, hey, you're in. But this is what this would afford. This new system is like, hey, you're in the first boarding group. You need to put your bag in.
- [34:12]
A
The back, cuz you can. Because we know for a fact that will be.
- [34:16]
B
Exactly.
- [34:18]
A
It's a lawless waste. It's a, it's. There's many laws, many stupid ones, many rules, but it's still somehow a lawless wasteland.
- [34:25]
B
Unplug your Charger during takeoff.
- [34:27]
A
Oh, get the out of here.
- [34:29]
B
You what?
- [34:30]
A
Unplug this. Plug it into your ass.
- [34:32]
B
Two more quick ones. Every plane that we took in Australia had boarding and exiting through the back exit. There's no reason why every plane in the world can't do that.
- [34:42]
A
Burbank Airport, baby.
- [34:43]
B
I, I heard, I heard. When I.
- [34:44]
A
Don't go there. Don't go there.
- [34:45]
B
Yeah, don't hate it. Shout out to the, the TSA guy who recognized me from the show at the Burbank airport, which is insane.
- [34:53]
A
That's awesome.
- [34:54]
B
And lastly, and I've said this before, but I'm going to say it again because I just dealt with it so badly. When you're getting your bag from the luggage conveyor belt, just stand back. Stop blocking, dude.
- [35:08]
A
There's no reason to be standing there.
- [35:09]
B
You're gonna get it.
- [35:11]
A
Yeah, it's gonna happen.
- [35:13]
B
Just move.
- [35:14]
A
And then, and then when I go through to get my. And being like, oh, sorry, excuse me. Yeah, look, you're obviously in everyone's way.
- [35:21]
B
Every single person. And I got big. I got guitars and 100, a pelican that's broken and all this. Get out of my way.
- [35:29]
A
I like to emphasize how heavy my thing Is when somebody's standing there and they're still kind of in my way.
- [35:34]
B
Yeah.
- [35:35]
A
Just like I could have got you, you know? And I want chose not to scum all of them. All right, here we are. It's Patreon question time.
- [35:45]
B
I'm fired up.
- [35:47]
A
Me too. What superpower would you pick if it stopped working anytime someone looked at you? Be invisible because they couldn't look at you? I would pick teleportation, I think. Yeah. Yeah. You may look at me. You gotta find me.
- [36:08]
B
There's a. A Dragon Ball Z character on the the Namek saga where his power. He's a bad guy, but his power is as long as he can hold his breath, time stops. And I always thought. And he's got like normal. He's not like he can't like hold his breath forever. I just thought that was like always. I like the idea of like a superpower with like a minor trade off.
- [36:28]
A
Like with a little limitation.
- [36:30]
B
You can't really exploit that, but you really could. If you could, like.
- [36:32]
A
Yeah. If you can hold, you could become a champ. Like daredevil.
- [36:36]
B
Yeah.
- [36:37]
A
Is not inherently good at karate, you know.
- [36:40]
B
Right.
- [36:40]
A
He got good at karate because of the rest of his powers.
- [36:43]
B
If you Wim Hof practice and all of a sudden you can hold your.
- [36:46]
A
Breath, you absolutely be a champion breath holder. You know?
- [36:49]
B
And then you're robbing banks 100% doing whatever you want. That's. I like that.
- [36:55]
A
Somebody asked Collective. I was part of booked twitching tongues at a family fun center in Iowa. Thank you for that. I was hooked right then and there. Thanks for continuing to get better each release. Yeah, you're welcome. This brings in a question. Favorite Iowa memory.
- [37:10]
B
One time Convicted and Harm's Way. Really early on played in Iowa City after there was like really bad flooding. I remember the town was like kind of destroyed for real. Like the. The river Mississippi flooded and like everything up. And a guy during one of the opening bands broke his leg. Spiral fracture in his leg. Really brutal. And as he was pulling him out, someone I heard, he said because the music stop. He said, now I'll never get to see Convicted. Great memory.
- [37:43]
A
And he never will.
- [37:44]
B
And he never will.
- [37:45]
A
Yeah. Truly will, man.
- [37:47]
B
I hope maybe he did someday, but I don't know. I don't know.
- [37:52]
A
There was a. On the first tour we ever did, we ate at a place called Zombie Burger with a big group.
- [37:58]
B
After we played Des Moines, Iowa. Great.
- [38:00]
A
Yeah.
- [38:00]
B
Great.
- [38:01]
A
Oh, I thought it was okay.
- [38:02]
B
It's great.
- [38:03]
A
But just the vibe of the. That was one of that was, like, one of the first shows of the tour, and I think it was the first big outing.
- [38:11]
B
Aha.
- [38:12]
A
So this is, like, my second tour ever as a guy at the. At, like, a big dinner with all my friends on the tour on it. And I have a very vivid recollection of just being like, this is crazy.
- [38:23]
B
Yeah.
- [38:24]
A
I'm in Iowa.
- [38:25]
B
Like, we're allowed to do this.
- [38:27]
A
Like, I've been out of high school for eight months.
- [38:29]
B
Yeah.
- [38:29]
A
You know?
- [38:30]
B
Yeah.
- [38:30]
A
And now I'm in Des Moines, Iowa.
- [38:32]
B
That's where Slipknots from. Right around there is, like, a really sick throwback arcade that's in, like, a basement's got all the old arcades playing there is a delight, because when you find the stuff, it's like, oh, I can, like. I can get a decent burger with a shake and then go play games. And the shows were good. It's sick.
- [38:50]
A
Amen.
- [38:50]
B
Yeah.
- [38:51]
A
Does the band go? Somebody does the band ghost play Scooby Doo chase music?
- [38:56]
B
Anybody who says that is just trying to be, like, controversial edgelord bullshit, but.
- [39:00]
A
Also, have you heard the Scooby Doo chase music? It's unbelievable.
- [39:03]
B
Have you heard Terror time from Scooby Doo? The island movie breakdown in it? It's awesome. Yeah.
- [39:12]
A
If you go back and watch. Let me tell you something, brother. You go back and watch some Scooby Doo, you'll see some of the best, most intentional art design, sound design you'll ever see or hear in your goddamn life. So any band should be goddamn honored to be played playing Scooby Doo chase music. Yeah.
- [39:33]
B
Yeah. Using it derogatively. You're already off base.
- [39:36]
A
You know, you're off base, man. That's a compliment. Scooby Doo rules.
- [39:40]
B
You're a. You're a ghostman, right? First two.
- [39:43]
A
Yeah, I. I love. I. I like first.
- [39:45]
B
I'm first.
- [39:45]
A
Three, four. Honestly.
- [39:47]
B
Yeah. Okay. I think the first one, like, going back is, like, awesome.
- [39:55]
A
Yeah, I agree.
- [39:56]
B
It's awesome.
- [39:57]
A
I. I love the production. I wish they did more of that.
- [39:59]
B
How about, did you hear what they're doing now? Wander bags at their shows.
- [40:04]
A
No phone phones.
- [40:05]
B
No fucking phones. You experience. You experience what they've curated for you. Do experience.
- [40:11]
A
That's what a Scooby Doo type event would do, you know, in, like, a Scooby Doo villain scenario. So. So maybe Mike Moynihan asked who would win in an arm wrestling match between me.
- [40:23]
B
Mike?
- [40:24]
A
Yeah. Oh, I think there's only one way to find out.
- [40:27]
B
Yeah, we can do that. But, you know, I'm Really? I'm afraid of arm wrestling. Afraid of like blowing your.
- [40:32]
A
Cuz they're getting the.
- [40:33]
B
Yeah, I think.
- [40:35]
A
I think right hand you'd win. Left hand I'd win.
- [40:37]
B
Oh, that's true, isn't it? We're not really. It's not really fair.
- [40:40]
A
We're not compatible that way.
- [40:42]
B
That's beautiful. Yin yang.
- [40:44]
A
Exactly. So somebody asked you guys sometimes mention chip dinner, but never what chips. So I asked big four chips.
- [40:52]
B
Oh, you know what? This came up on the bus the other night. It's very fresh in my mind. Would you like to go first?
- [40:58]
A
Sure. Kettle, Sea salt, black pepper.
- [41:01]
B
Delicious. That's the black bag, right?
- [41:04]
A
Oh, yeah.
- [41:04]
B
Oh, yeah.
- [41:05]
A
Oh, yeah. Sweet. Maui onion.
- [41:07]
B
Wow.
- [41:07]
A
From the Hawaiian one.
- [41:08]
B
Yeah.
- [41:11]
A
Fucking lately that I can't believe. The Trader Joe's Takis. I'm obsessed.
- [41:17]
B
Oh, dude.
- [41:18]
A
Love them.
- [41:19]
B
Good call.
- [41:20]
A
And the straight up nacho cheese Dorito.
- [41:24]
B
Oh, classic.
- [41:25]
A
One of the greats.
- [41:27]
B
Good answer. I'm going to go the garden Salsa, sun chip.
- [41:32]
A
Oh, yeah. I think. Is that the one they give you on the plane? Sometimes.
- [41:36]
B
Sometimes, yeah. Yeah. And I want.
- [41:38]
A
What a treat that little 60 calorie bag is.
- [41:41]
B
You know, 50 of six chips, line them up, tear them down live. Yeah, yeah. The garden Salsa, sun chip. Voodoo heat. Voodoo chips.
- [41:51]
A
Oh, voodoo's so good.
- [41:53]
B
So good. It's got everything I want in a potato chip. Yeah. Cape Cod, salt and vinegar.
- [42:00]
A
That'll get you.
- [42:01]
B
That'll get you. But I love me some vinegar. Yeah. Yeah. I love that. Wow. And then I'm gonna go classic. I'm gonna go as Plain Jane as it gets. Baked lays.
- [42:10]
A
Oh, yeah.
- [42:11]
B
Just a plain baked lay. Like when you're ready for it. Hits so good.
- [42:15]
A
If that's in a green room or something, it's like. Yeah, I'll have exactly six or seven handfuls.
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B
It's like. It's like the least offensive chip I'll accidentally eat.
- [42:23]
A
About 800 calories. It is right now. No problem. Will there be a day where Colin gets a large scary dog? Probably not. I don't think I have the space.
- [42:32]
B
Especially not now.
- [42:33]
A
Especially not now. I got three. Three little guys. Jesse Briandell said. Just wanted to boost the idea that it'd be cool to have an episode where you react to fan bands. Would y'all do that someday? That sounds like a slippery slop.
- [42:47]
B
Because something that Colin and I have agreed on with this since day one is like, we never want to put anything down.
- [42:54]
A
Yeah. We don't hear to bury. And I'm not gonna like everything right.
- [42:57]
B
You know, we don't want to punch down, you know. Dance, Gavin, dance. Who gives a.
- [43:04]
A
You know, punch down all day. I'll piss down.
- [43:06]
B
And. And even, like, like, numerically, it might be punching up by, like.
- [43:10]
A
Yeah, I'll piss up, too. Yeah, of course.
- [43:12]
B
Straight up. But we don't. Yeah. It's just. It's dangerous. Really Extrapolate how that could play.
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A
Also, is there a worse thing on the Internet than, like, music reaction content?
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B
Not those two black dudes listening to, like, they're.
- [43:24]
A
I mean, those. But, like, we're never going to be them, you know?
- [43:27]
B
I agree.
- [43:28]
A
But those dudes, watching them hear dead umbreonic cells.
- [43:31]
B
Yeah, dude.
- [43:32]
A
Gave me goosebumps, dude.
- [43:33]
B
When they're like, okay, okay, dude, they.
- [43:37]
A
Dude, it's this. They get it.
- [43:39]
B
Yeah. They.
- [43:39]
A
They go. They go, this is hard. And I sit there and I go, it is hard.
- [43:43]
B
Yes. Wow. Boom.
- [43:44]
A
That's science. They've never heard this before, and they immediately know exactly what Sepultura wanted them to know. Those are the greatest. Other than them, we need to delete music reaction.
- [43:55]
B
There's two caveats I would like to make. One is vocal coaches, like, reacting to, like, cemetery gates or something is. Can be fun. The other is, like a drummer hearing, like, a tool song or meshuggah for the first time. Those could be kind of fun. I like to see how a teacher will, like, break that down.
- [44:14]
A
The vocal coach reactions are a little annoying to me.
- [44:17]
B
Oh, really?
- [44:18]
A
Because it'll be like, vocal coach reacts to Paramore, you know?
- [44:21]
B
Yeah.
- [44:22]
A
And they'll be like, wow, she's really good. No shit.
- [44:25]
B
Yeah, no shit. Yeah.
- [44:27]
A
Of course she is. We know we don't need a vocal coach's fucking perspective on that. But I get that sometimes they look at somebody who's maybe not who you would think is shitty, and they're like. They're actually doing this ancient technique here that's pretty cool.
- [44:42]
B
And, like, you might not realize that that early Phil in particular had pipes.
- [44:48]
A
Oh, big pipes.
- [44:49]
B
You know, so. And then the drummer. The drummer reacts. Videos I love.
- [44:52]
A
Those are good.
- [44:53]
B
Those are good.
- [44:54]
A
But, like, music reaction content of just a guy being like, oh, yeah. This breakdown.
- [44:59]
B
Pausing, pausing.
- [45:00]
A
That's the worst ever.
- [45:01]
B
Yeah. Okay.
- [45:02]
A
I don't like it. Thoughts on John Cena's heel turn? I think it was a cool idea. Maybe a little late. And maybe the execution now is. It seems like they didn't really think.
- [45:16]
B
It through a year ago. Or maybe a little less. The Rock bloodied up Cody and, like, swore that was in Chicago actually feel like he should have appeared then and turned heel then because we know he's going to go face again before he retires.
- [45:30]
A
Yeah. I mean, just on the retirement tour. Not being there for it means moments like this are obviously like super huge and important. But the follow up is everything. And following up with two promos saying the same thing is just not really. Doesn't really do anything. Who are some past guests you'd love to have back on?
- [45:47]
B
Oh man, I would love to have Andy Williams back on. Just see what he's up to.
- [45:57]
A
It's been a while.
- [45:58]
B
Honestly.
- [45:59]
A
He's what, second guess?
- [46:00]
B
Yeah. Josta back on would be cool.
- [46:02]
A
Yeah. Basically any band we talked to in the first year, you know, Cat from Scowl, Sammy Drain.
- [46:08]
B
Wow.
- [46:09]
A
Joseph Tsunami, we never did a full episode with. So that would be cool. There's tons. Who are some new guests you'd be most excited to have on the show.
- [46:19]
B
James Hadfield, Lars Ulrich, Kirk Hammett.
- [46:22]
A
We've got a couple of bands coming up that we're going to have that we're going to be talking to that we're. We're excited about. Somebody from Ingrown will be on at some point. Somebody from Cloak Room will be on at some point. Peeling Flesh is coming. It's all coming. We got it. We got a big year coming. Favorite newer bands you've discovered since starting the Pod?
- [46:40]
B
Since start. I mean there's a lot.
- [46:42]
A
I think we. We. You and I both had an extensive conversation the other day about the Combust record.
- [46:46]
B
The Combust record. When I first heard it, I was like, this is good. I see what they're going for. And then I was like, I'm gonna listen to that again a couple days later. I've listened to it several times since and I think it's really good.
- [46:57]
A
Yeah, a lot of nuance, a lot of new, A lot of really creative transitions and. And the, the like derivative aspects to it are. Are things that other bands aren't really doing.
- [47:08]
B
Yeah. Somehow it's in that style. It's still like refreshing.
- [47:12]
A
I agree. And they're deriving from things I want to hear derived.
- [47:16]
B
And there's like a cool vocal thing a lot where there's like almost like a talk underneath stuff that I think is cool. I don't know. There's layers to it that I'm enjoying. And the Mongrel record I've been listening to a lot.
- [47:25]
A
Oh, I mean that's a masterpiece.
- [47:27]
B
Probably my two favorite newer bands we've.
- [47:30]
A
Discovered since starting the Pods would Be like that. That's why we signed Starter Label is because we hear a band like Cosmic Joke, we hear a man like Firestarter, Mongrel Greenwich, another. A couple other bands coming out doing a Color of the Haywire record. It's out, right? It's out tomorrow. You can order it tomorrow.
- [47:47]
B
Hardorpod.com have we, have we on the show talked about the. No, we haven't even talked about it. The Haywire tour.
- [47:55]
A
We. No, we did it on the, on the Patreon, right?
- [47:58]
B
Yeah, I think so. Because it was like. Right.
- [48:00]
A
The Haywire tour is the sickest thing ever.
- [48:02]
B
I can't believe it.
- [48:04]
A
It's. It's. This is their. This is. They're hearkening back to the, the 2000s of just a band going. We have to make this work.
- [48:13]
B
Yeah.
- [48:13]
A
It will work. It's already working and we want to play it to literally everyone.
- [48:18]
B
We won the hardest working band Hard Laura award.
- [48:21]
A
Yeah.
- [48:22]
B
We got to make it. We got to make it count for something. And God and Lord, I can't even believe it. I can't.
- [48:27]
A
I'm excited to have Austin on like after that.
- [48:31]
B
Absolutely.
- [48:32]
A
Because there's going to be just so much to talk about. Beautiful. Haywire.
- [48:36]
B
Yeah. Heywire.
- [48:37]
A
What is your favorite thing about hardcore when it comes to culture and values? Hearing this genre of music is like being aware of the Matrix in some way. Once you find out, you can't go back.
- [48:48]
B
What you learn coming up through hardcore and like a DIY space like should ideally transcend everything that you're doing. And like quick example is Knock Loose had a sold out 5,000 cat Brixton Academy show happening in a week. They did a last minute huge undersell at the Underworld in Camden to less than 500 people fit in there just to do it.
- [49:15]
A
Just.
- [49:15]
B
They couldn't do their full production. They couldn't. They didn't care. They played a show.
- [49:19]
A
There's this glimmer in your eye where I can tell like, oh, you've heard terror before. There's. There's some aspect of, of, of this conversation that you and I are about to have where I know we're going to get along and I know we're going to be like minded on a lot of things. You're probably not a, like a racist bigot, you know, because you probably not because you're hearing all the same lyrics that I am, you know, and, and.
- [49:45]
B
When you see a friend walking down the street and you see that guy's.
- [49:47]
A
Wearing a Slayer shirt too, you know you can Literally, you know, you know, you can deal, you know, you know what, you know, that you're thinking, you know, you know, and it's nice. It's. It's just a. It's a. It's this nice little blanket of. Of realism.
- [50:09]
B
Yeah, that's a good way to put it.
- [50:11]
A
Beautiful. In the new booming era of hardcore, we're experiencing what is the most unacceptable behaviors you've seen at gigs from band members or participants? Slippery slope.
- [50:24]
B
Yeah, but. But I will say we are not celebrity. People in bands are not celebrity.
- [50:33]
A
No, we are fans of the genre and that's why we're here. And that's foremost.
- [50:37]
B
And that's it. And that's all. That's how it always was. I punished the drummer of American Nightmare to use his cell phone once to call my dad without even knowing him because I need to get picked up. You know what I mean? Like, because I didn't think he. Like, I knew who he was, but I didn't think he was like anything special or anything like.
- [50:54]
A
I think the main character aspect of that social media has created is a. Is a problem. I don't know how to solve it.
- [51:04]
B
Yeah, I don't either.
- [51:05]
A
John from Vain had a good idea. Is just film the, like the. The guy. The guy who's doing the most. You know, film that guy for an entire show and then post the whole thing. The guy who's doing the most. The guy who wants to be the star. Make him the star.
- [51:26]
B
Oh.
- [51:26]
A
And put it up there and let. And have basically do crate reviews for his performance, you know, but yeah, just enjoy the show, you know? Is hardcore. What is hardcore? The Wiggles for angry young adults.
- [51:44]
B
No, What?
- [51:44]
A
I never. Not from. I'm not. I've never seen the Wiggles because I'm an angry young adult. Top candies in the countries you've been to. Ritter, Aero Bar.
- [51:56]
B
Ritter sport.
- [51:57]
A
Oh, really?
- [51:59]
B
That. That just dumb. You know what's making a huge boom in Europe, though, that we saw everywhere? Tony's chocolate. You know, that big, like, 60s writing. Tony's huge chocolate bars. You know what I'm talking about?
- [52:13]
A
No idea what that is.
- [52:13]
B
It's like a Texas brand or something. What? Yes. They're everywhere in Europe.
- [52:19]
A
I've never seen it.
- [52:20]
B
If. If you looked up the logo, you'd go, okay, I've seen this before.
- [52:23]
A
Okay. Because they need to get Charles and Chew going in Germany.
- [52:27]
B
Yeah.
- [52:28]
A
Blow their minds.
- [52:29]
B
Charleston Chew.
- [52:32]
A
It would be like that picture of the first French guy drinking soda.
- [52:35]
B
Just like.
- [52:38]
A
Yeah, it's the best I. I love any chocolate with air bubbles in it.
- [52:43]
B
Oh, the arrows, all that.
- [52:44]
A
So like the arrow, the milka bubbly. Yeah, I love that.
- [52:48]
B
Milk is real good.
- [52:49]
A
Damn worse. Touring hygiene fails. I would have to say when somebody doesn't have any kind of manscape product on them. Right.
- [52:59]
B
You know, I'm really glad you brought that up, Colin. I've been wanting to talk about this for the last 40 minutes or so. Manscaped kept me so nice and clean.
- [53:11]
A
On this tour and in Europe sometimes when maybe not on a bus tour, but sometimes in the situations we've been in the past, a shower is not always an option.
- [53:20]
B
No, not always a guarantee and. But luckily I had a crop preserver, a crop reviver, a cologne that I brought with me because I didn't want to risk a fancier cologne.
- [53:30]
A
All manscaped.
- [53:31]
B
All manscaped. I had a perfect supplement for everything. I needed the whole tour.
- [53:34]
A
And if somebody were to have all the. Were to get all those things. What. What should they do?
- [53:39]
B
I think they should go to manscaped.com and use code hardlore for 20 off and free shipping on their entire order.
- [53:49]
A
I would have said the exact same thing. It's a great answer. Huge. Yeah. Just get 20 off, man. Quit around. If you're going to Europe, if you're going to sound, if you're. If you're going to ldb, if you're going to tie down, if you're going to any. If you're going to any kind of show in general.
- [54:05]
B
Yeah.
- [54:05]
A
I need your balls to scream a little less loud.
- [54:10]
B
We need to turn it down.
- [54:11]
A
Quiet. Them balls.
- [54:12]
B
Yeah, these are my balls.
- [54:15]
A
That's what it should sound like.
- [54:16]
B
Yeah.
- [54:16]
A
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B
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- [54:42]
A
I got this shirt on there.
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B
Did you?
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A
Oh yeah.
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B
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- [54:46]
A
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- [54:52]
B
I got a package showing up today. It's got a Mad Ball shirt in it and an Earth Crisis shirt in it. What do you want? You know. Come on. And it's important to remember that Luke at MadVintage. He's looking to Buy. He's looking to trade. He's. He wants to know what you got. If you need stuff you need to offload. Talk to him, send him a message. He's also going to be at ldb, tied down in Furnace Fest and others throughout the year where he will have stuff in person. Mad, vintage.
- [55:17]
A
Beautiful, beautiful. Easy. Can you recall the moment after the podcast was up and running when both of you thought we might be on to something here?
- [55:26]
B
Yeah. Yeah. When was that? It was. You know what it was for me? It was sound and fury. When we did all the minis, when it was like, oh wait, we're. I'm going. I'm on a plane right now to do this. And then shortly thereafter was Furnace Fest.
- [55:41]
A
Furnace Fest, I think was where. Cuz I Cause sound of fury. I live there.
- [55:45]
B
Yeah.
- [55:45]
A
You know.
- [55:46]
B
Yeah.
- [55:46]
A
It was like I'm. I'm driving 30 minutes from my house and sitting down and talking to a bunch of people. And that was like the trial run. Furnace Fest was the first time we both traveled somewhere to talk to interview bands. And that was. That was very bizarre to both of us, I think. But that was when it felt like. And. And we were walking around and people were like, hey man, love the show. And that was really the first time I think we were aware.
- [56:09]
B
Yeah. Of like. Oh.
- [56:10]
A
Of anything like that.
- [56:11]
B
This is something.
- [56:12]
A
That was cool.
- [56:13]
B
That was cool. Absolutely.
- [56:14]
A
That was the moment. Fuck Mary. Kill cheeseburgers Pizza carbonated beverages.
- [56:21]
B
Oh, my God. Oh, no.
- [56:24]
A
Easy.
- [56:25]
B
Okay. Hit me.
- [56:27]
A
Kill cheeseburgers.
- [56:29]
B
Yeah.
- [56:31]
A
Pizza marry carbonated beverages.
- [56:35]
B
I think we're gonna have the same nuptial. But I have to kill the other.
- [56:39]
A
You're killing pizza.
- [56:40]
B
I love cheeseburgers, dude. I eat cheeseburgers more often than I eat pizza.
- [56:46]
A
Yeah, but would you like to eat pizza more than you eat cheeseburgers?
- [56:50]
B
No, I don't think so.
- [56:51]
A
Really?
- [56:51]
B
Yeah. Because I mean, at least you're getting protein with a cheeseburger.
- [56:54]
A
Yeah, I mean, but I'm not thinking about like Macros here. I'm thinking about like for the rest of my life.
- [57:02]
B
But I will.
- [57:03]
A
I want a soda.
- [57:05]
B
Yeah, always. That's done. No problem.
- [57:08]
A
I'm always going to. I would live. Prefer to live my life soda in hand. Always. You know, cheeseburger. I'm not. I don't really like cheese on burgers. I know that. I'm a freak for that.
- [57:22]
B
Right.
- [57:22]
A
But I have a very strong palate and the cheese consumes all other flavors. For me, I'm a hamburger man.
- [57:28]
B
So why does pizza not do that I'll never.
- [57:30]
A
Different cheese, bro. Mozzarella is a very distinct flavor and it's not there to take away. It's there too. I don't know, man. I don't. I don't claim to know what is going on in here. I know it's wrong a lot of the time, but pizza is just. It's. I think it's the best food.
- [57:47]
B
I love. I love pizza. But I think the. The reasons that I have cheeseburgers more often than pizza is the answer for me. So I think that's fair.
- [57:57]
A
I think that totally makes sense. Somebody asked why no hardware merch in Europe. I don't think we've ever been asked that. So is that something more than one person wants? Because that would be cool.
- [58:10]
B
Speaking of, I'm. I'm home now and I'm going to be adding more of the merch that we've had. I'm going to re. Put that in. So if you're interested in Hard Lore merch, please go to the link that will be below for some merch that we have.
- [58:24]
A
Cool. Have you ever recorded something too spicy for release? And if so, what cryptic hints can you drop about who it was and what it's about?
- [58:34]
B
I won't even touch who it was or what it was about. But we did have to cut. We have cut stuff in the past that not only were. Did I already write down what it. Like the timestamp of like, let's just cut that. Because they didn't mean that. But then at the end of the episode, who. The person we were talking to was like, hey, could you guys just cut that one thing? And I was like, yeah, way ahead of you. Don't worry about it.
- [58:53]
A
There was another story from that same episode that was like 15 to 20 minutes long that we had to cut. That was a bummer. It was from the. It was from the Paris Chromex episode. I'll just say that it was a story about another member of the band that I thought even. Even putting online could get all three of us in trouble.
- [59:17]
B
Yeah.
- [59:18]
A
Like even having that out there.
- [59:20]
B
Yeah.
- [59:21]
A
And stating that as a fact could get us in trouble. Whatever happened to the soundboard? It made story time hit different. My. I stopped using the rode interface. Bo still uses it.
- [59:33]
B
I still use it. I can still do it.
- [59:35]
A
Yeah. But then I'll have to put that entire audio track in here. So careful.
- [59:38]
B
You will.
- [59:39]
A
Or Steven will. I don't want Steven does enough, though. My God, the soundboard. We both use the same Rodecast Pro 2 interface. I use it for my PC now, but it shit out on me a few times. I think it's a huge piece of shit. So I stopped using. I use an Apollo interface now, and it doesn't have that feature on it.
- [60:01]
B
I mean, there's surely, like, digital ones we could do. But you guys gotta remember we're recording everything. Audio is all separate tracks, so it's like another thing to sync up. And I don't even know if Colin would be able to hear it if I did it, so it might not land. It's a whole thing. Pause. Tell me about video games that you're playing recently.
- [60:21]
A
Assassin's Creed Shadows. I've been playing it. I've been. Been really enjoying.
- [60:25]
B
So I saw Whim from Rise and Fall in Brussels. He. He drove an hour out of his way on his way to band practice just to come say, hey, Legend. And he told me. I asked him about. He said, dude, if you just sit down to play an Assassin's Creed game and don't read anything online, you're gonna have a great time. I cannot wait to play it. I'm gonna play it.
- [60:43]
A
I think it's the best one since three. Three is my favorite. All time.
- [60:47]
B
Okay.
- [60:48]
A
The one where you. You start as a Templar and you don't know it. That dude. Edward. And then you. And then you have the child with the. With the native lady, and then you give birth to Connor.
- [60:58]
B
Okay.
- [60:59]
A
And then you. And then you switch to him and it's. And it's like a Native Americans versus, like, American Revolution type story.
- [61:05]
B
That one's cool.
- [61:06]
A
That's the best one ever. I think that was the most engaged I've ever been in the story. This is the best since then. To me.
- [61:13]
B
Did you play Black Flag? The pirate one?
- [61:15]
A
I liked Black Flag. I didn't love Black Flag.
- [61:18]
B
Okay. I've been wanting a console game that I can just sit and zone out and play, and that's the one. I'm very excited to play it. Tell me.
- [61:24]
A
It's awesome.
- [61:25]
B
Tell me about the repo.
- [61:27]
A
Repo.
- [61:27]
B
Tell me about it. I know nothing.
- [61:30]
A
Oh, dude, I'm. This game is, like keeping me up at night, legit. Getting a little squ. You and I have to play this together. It. It's unreal, dude. It's. It's kind of like among us, like, brain rot type. Yeah, you're basically. You. You. You are. When you talk, the mouth moves.
- [61:49]
B
I saw. Right?
- [61:50]
A
And like, the monsters can hear you talking a lot of the time. So they'll be coming. You have to like whisper when they're close and stuff or they'll hear you. It's basically. It's called repo. I think you're repossessing items from like haunted mansions.
- [62:05]
B
Okay.
- [62:06]
A
Basically is the. And there's like a map based off the thing. Oh, there's like, there's like a haunted. Those haunted houses and type shit. But the, the social aspect of it of like, hey, this thing's too heavy. Can you come help me? And you just see like, like, I'll see you. You really like the eyes? I really feel like I'm looking at that person through the stupid googly eyes.
- [62:29]
B
So what's the, what's the objective?
- [62:31]
A
So every level you have to fill up. You have to extract a certain amount of money.
- [62:36]
B
I saw you not being able to put the thing in. In that clip you posted that big.
- [62:39]
A
The. Yeah. And that was like I'm the only one left alive at that point. And I can't hear them. The grip. If you're dead, you. Only the dead can talk to each other.
- [62:48]
B
Yeah.
- [62:48]
A
And it's like proximity based chat. So if you're too far in the house for me, I don't even know if you're alive.
- [62:52]
B
Right.
- [62:53]
A
So sometimes I'll think a monster's coming. I'll just see. And I'll just see Bo coming with a flashlight. Like, hey, I've been over here and getting it, dude. And it's. It's unreal.
- [63:02]
B
Awesome.
- [63:02]
A
And is the ten dollar game, is.
- [63:04]
B
The monster another player or the computer?
- [63:06]
A
All computer.
- [63:07]
B
Okay, cool.
- [63:08]
A
And there's all kind of little secrets on like how to defeat the monsters and stuff. I've never personally done it, but you can, you can do it. It's. It's really good. You and I have to play it online in some capacity.
- [63:19]
B
Awesome.
- [63:20]
A
And film it. Okay. And you're. You're still playing Kingdom Come Deliverance too. Or you're about to be.
- [63:28]
B
I'm up. I'm. As soon as we wrap, I am standing up and sitting at this chair and I am booting that bastard up. I. I am pining to play it.
- [63:37]
A
I can't wait to start it.
- [63:39]
B
Oh.
- [63:40]
A
In your day, in the days of your youth, what was the dumbest injury you got?
- [63:44]
B
Oh, great question. Let me think about it.
- [63:48]
A
Mine would be, let's see. Let me see if I can do this here. This one right here?
- [63:54]
B
Yeah. Oh, yeah.
- [63:57]
A
Was in my bedroom when I was a youth. Big wrestling fan. You know. This injury was also wrestling. This was Taylor giving me DLO Brown sky high on a hotel bed.
- [64:07]
B
Good move, though.
- [64:08]
A
Bounce back, boom up, hit the bottom of the headboard. Cave my skull. In this one, I was by myself. I was having a. I was a TLC match. Me against the Hogan. I went over.
- [64:21]
B
Wow, he did the job.
- [64:22]
A
But. But not without sacrifice, you know, color. So I did a moonsault onto. That was the thing. I. I'm. I'm telling you, man, I was good. I did a moonsault from my on. I had Hogan set up on a chair. Like the pillow pal thing. Of course, I hadn't set up on a chair. I did a moonsault. I land belly first on the chair, but my head keeps going and goes, like, into the bottom of the chair. And I immediately just, like, red.
- [64:59]
B
Yeah.
- [64:59]
A
You know?
- [65:00]
B
Yeah.
- [65:00]
A
Just encompasses my face. And my mom. I just hear my mom from the. From the distance being like, what the was that? And just immediately now, like, I'm going to the er. This sucks. That one was dumb.
- [65:14]
B
I've told the story before. Also a wrestling thing. I was. My friend Brian and I were doing wrestling, and I had a futon mattress that we set up like a table that was perfect if you landed on it. I didn't. I was doing the mankind like hell in the cell. And I just broke my collarbone and blamed it on. Blamed it on gym class. As though something could have happened at school and I wouldn't have gone to the nurse at least.
- [65:36]
A
Yeah. With a broken shoulder or whatever.
- [65:39]
B
The other one that. That came to mind was I. I was wearing an outbreak baseball tee and, you know, so like a three.
- [65:46]
A
Three quarter sleeve.
- [65:47]
B
Three quarter sleeve. And I don't think you can really see it anymore, but I was holding a bottle rocket. It was 4th of July, and I was like. And it went in. The fuse for the bottle rocket separated and went up the sleeve. And then I couldn't get it because of the sleeve, and it was just. It just burned into my arm. Nice little scar.
- [66:08]
A
That's pretty dumb. Anything fireworks related is dumb.
- [66:11]
B
Yeah. Pretty stupid.
- [66:12]
A
All right. You've been fatally wounded, finally defeating your mortal arch nemesis.
- [66:19]
B
Okay.
- [66:20]
A
As you lay down in the snow to gracefully bleed out, what song is playing in your final last heroic moments?
- [66:27]
B
Wow. It's got to be. See, I feel like you're gonna have a catalog for this because this is how your mind works.
- [66:38]
A
This is my mind for sure.
- [66:39]
B
So why don't you answer first?
- [66:40]
A
I would say it depends on the setting. Like the. The time period. I guess it would be now, you know.
- [66:47]
B
Yeah.
- [66:50]
A
As I embrace death, you know, I'VE defeated my enemy. He's dead. It's 2025, right?
- [66:57]
B
Yeah.
- [66:58]
A
Simple Man. Lynard Skinner hitting second one is going to hit like absolute crack.
- [67:05]
B
Holy shit. Great answer.
- [67:09]
A
I'm. It's so simple, you know. Death is simple. War is simple. I am simple. And now I'm dead. I'm a simple kind of man. I just want to kill my enemy and die, you know?
- [67:19]
B
Deftones cover Simple Man. They do, yeah. Going to see them later tonight.
- [67:25]
A
It's crazy. Is it good?
- [67:29]
B
No, it's, it's, it's not. As a Deftones fan, I would say no, it's not that great. Okay, I'm gonna go. Very typical Bow. You went atypical for you. I was. I. Which for sure you're gonna say bell, witch or warning or something, you know.
- [67:41]
A
Yeah, I could, I mean you could go there, but I think there needs to be like, I've defeated him. I'm happy about this a little bit, you know.
- [67:47]
B
Yeah.
- [67:47]
A
And I think there's a, there is a jubilant sadness to that song as.
- [67:53]
B
As is like Freebird would be another.
- [67:55]
A
One where, you know, there's a, there's, it's like fly. I accept. I, I, I accept myself, who I am. I don't have to be happy about it, you know.
- [68:04]
B
Wow, that's a really good pick. I'm. I'm impressed with that pick. That was profound. I'm gonna go. Typical bow. I'm gonna pick Bjork. The song Unravel, I think is one of the most beautiful songs ever. And it's not nothing to do with like death at all. It's just a beautiful song that I wouldn't mind dying to.
- [68:20]
A
All right, beautiful. Great answer, Bo. Are you doing the history podcast or not? I think there's a lot more that goes into that than an Are you? Are not.
- [68:29]
B
I think I'm gonna do it. I just got back just now from Myopic Books and got another book on the subject that I'm gonna do first. I've gotten a lot of encouragement from people who I would have expected to be critics. And that was kind of the biggest hurdle if. Let me ask you this, Is there a way I could put it out and then never read a single comment?
- [68:53]
A
I mean. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- [68:57]
B
So because like people can leave comments on, on Apple podcasts, the reviews, but.
- [69:04]
A
They, they can full on comment on Spotify video now too.
- [69:07]
B
Uh huh.
- [69:08]
A
So that's all that's been awesome. But they're mostly positive, so that's cool. When is The Firestarter release coming out. I think we just wrapped up the layout so probably sooner than you think. Colony replaying bloodborne because the 10 year anniversary I did last year. I do it every couple of years. I might do it this year.
- [69:26]
B
It's still like your fave.
- [69:28]
A
Yeah, I think it's number one. I've just been a PC guy and it's not. It's a. It's PlayStation only.
- [69:34]
B
This is the. This is the ultimate con when it comes to PC. There's two cons. Too many choices and then not the choice you want, you know. And that's how it's going to be for Elder Scrolls and. And gta. I bet.
- [69:48]
A
I don't know. Elder Scrolls.
- [69:50]
B
I bet both.
- [69:51]
A
Both being made by Microsoft.
- [69:52]
B
I know. Okay, maybe not Elder Scrolls be good point. But GTA is going to be console first for probably a year. It's gonna suck.
- [70:01]
A
That sucks. What does a typical full day of eating look like when you're home and on track?
- [70:05]
B
Home of. Great. Great. The end of that sentence really narrows it down.
- [70:10]
A
And on track. Yeah.
- [70:12]
B
For me it's. It's waking up and taking my supplements. Usually overnight oats. I try to get 30 grams right when I wake up. And then coffee and then a bunch of eggs and that's kind of morning. The. The afternoon for me is usually pretty light, which it shouldn't be. I'm. I'm not. I'm not great. I like to eat later in the day because I gym later, so I just tend to like it that way. But then it's usually a rice bowl with double chicken and a side of guac. And then at night is like chicken breast and rice really plain. Really?
- [70:48]
A
That's. So that's when you're on track.
- [70:49]
B
That's when I'm on track. Yeah.
- [70:52]
A
I'm pretty similar. Sometimes I'll skip breakfast a lot.
- [70:55]
B
A lot. And I shouldn't. We shouldn't. But it's. I don't want to eat.
- [70:59]
A
I'm just not hungry. I want a coffee and I want to keep on trucking. If anything I'll have a coffee and a protein shake or something that I like. The fairlife ones or the premier protein.
- [71:07]
B
Yeah. Oh, and I do. I should have said I always have like a post workout shake.
- [71:13]
A
Yeah. The idea of breakfast just makes me nauseous a lot of time.
- [71:16]
B
I'm totally with you. I don't. It's the last thing I want to do is eat. I want to drink a lot.
- [71:20]
A
Unless it's a fat ass breakfast. From a nice place, you know? Yeah, but it's just not the same. Making it home. But yeah. Some kind of teriyaki bowl of like steak and rice or chicken and rice.
- [71:32]
B
Fuck yeah.
- [71:33]
A
For lunch and dinner. Pretty much that. Got any tour game stories ever play Tell them?
- [71:40]
B
No.
- [71:40]
A
What is Tell them?
- [71:41]
B
I don't know what that is. We played Uno at the end of this last tour with everybody. And pest control has some bullshit rules, but they have one good rule. That's sick. Let's say we're playing in a group of five, Colin. And you and I are across from each other. Okay. And let's. There's like two here and one here. Like we're not immediately after each other. If I play a blue four and you have a blue four, you can just put it down and it skips.
- [72:08]
A
And it dumb as hell.
- [72:09]
B
I like it. That's fun. It ended up being cool.
- [72:12]
A
There has to be an order that. That's just. That negates an entire aspect of the game of the reverse and the skip cards.
- [72:19]
B
But, you know, but not, because those are still what it. What it does is it allows for the person who got and has a million cards an edge. It allows them something because they can. They have to be quick.
- [72:30]
A
It has to be somebody across from you or just anybody. Anybody, Anybody, Anybody can interrupt at any time.
- [72:36]
B
And then the. Then the game keeps moving in that order. But then bullshit is. That's.
- [72:40]
A
That's Looney Tunes Willy Wonka British behavior.
- [72:43]
B
I ended up liking it. What I didn't like is like, oh, I'm down to Uno and I need a red. But I. I don't have one. They just do the one card rule.
- [72:53]
A
What do you mean?
- [72:53]
B
All you have to pick up is one card?
- [72:55]
A
Yeah, no, that's regular.
- [72:56]
B
That's bullshit. Pick up.
- [72:58]
A
That's normal. Uno.
- [72:59]
B
You should pick up as many until you have the color.
- [73:02]
A
No, that's not how UNO works. Even in the UNO rulebook, they'll tell you, pick, take one and pick one and keep going.
- [73:07]
B
That's stupid.
- [73:08]
A
You've been playing those. The Willy Wonka Chicago Rules.
- [73:11]
B
Yeah, yeah, yeah. That is how we played when I was young. For sure.
- [73:13]
A
Exactly. No, and I think same, but then you learn that it's pick one, keep going. And if you play like Uno on like the iPad app or something.
- [73:22]
B
Yeah.
- [73:22]
A
You'll find it's the same thing. I mean, UNO stories. I feel like I've told the best ones on here before. I lost and had to dig a hole with a screwdriver. Taylor Lawson had to spin kick with floppy arms and one leg. And then we went back to Salt Lake City and everybody was spin kicking with one leg. What's a good. What's a one on tour that I liked a lot?
- [73:49]
B
We played werewolves on our tour and that was fun.
- [73:52]
A
That's always fun.
- [73:53]
B
That was.
- [73:54]
A
I remember my favorite thing ever.
- [73:55]
B
Yeah, yeah.
- [73:56]
A
But there's no stories about that. It's just I'm the best narrator in the world and that's it. Not a question, but would you ever do hard lore gaming episodes like Fortnite duos? That sounds like a more of a Patreon thing. Why do you think so spend an entire Thursday episode playing fortnight?
- [74:14]
B
Well, maybe not Fortnite, but that's what I'm saying.
- [74:17]
A
I just don't think that's what we do necessarily. I think it could be what we do somewhere else, you know? If you could time travel to a year to experience hardcore, what year would you choose?
- [74:27]
B
1988. 88, baby.
- [74:33]
A
Feel the spirit and write Master Killer.
- [74:38]
B
There you go. And fucking Integrity Records, apparently.
- [74:42]
A
Yeah.
- [74:43]
B
You know what I mean? Like you could really. Jesus. A lot.
- [74:47]
A
A lot of movement to be made. Congrats on 3 years. If your bands could do a split with anyone, who would it be?
- [74:53]
B
God's hate.
- [74:54]
A
That would be fun.
- [74:55]
B
I think. I think there Harm's Way. Why not? You know? Yeah, why not? I don't know. I think Harm's Way could do a split with like almost any band and I think it would work. Yeah, I really do think so. So that's kind of.
- [75:10]
A
We need it. We need a comp of like I'm still straight edge bands, you know.
- [75:16]
B
Interesting.
- [75:17]
A
The unction. The straight edge Unction comp coming soon. I need a super cut of Colin talking about offing himself and Bo going.
- [75:26]
B
Ah, well, that exists that.
- [75:28]
A
I think it kind of exists.
- [75:29]
B
We just saw that.
- [75:29]
A
Yeah, sure. If you had to add a third podcaster, who would it be? Alec Favor, right?
- [75:36]
B
Yeah, probably. I do like your. When your brother was on too, because it's so.
- [75:42]
A
It's so minimal and it's so.
- [75:45]
B
Yeah. Who is the guy who would SAP sit behind Tom Green in the window like that? That was always funny to me, you know?
- [75:52]
A
Totally. Yeah. I feel like Chicago hardcore is underrepresented when compared to the Bay Area NY and LA scenes. Why do you think that is?
- [76:00]
B
No fucking shit it is. What are you talking about?
- [76:03]
A
It's in the middle of the country.
- [76:04]
B
It's hard, you know, I just think until within the last maybe five to ten years, there wasn't, there weren't a whole lot of bands that would kind of get out. You know, I think prior to, especially prior to Nachos and, and Harm's Way and like Expired Youth, Plan of Attack, Sidewalk, prior to that, I don't, I'm not fully aware of a lot of bands that were doing a lot of touring and I think that's really just the biggest thing. It's just like if there's no Johnny Appleseed, no one's gonna know, you know.
- [76:41]
A
Also in Chicago, is every show good?
- [76:45]
B
Of course not.
- [76:47]
A
There you go. I think in the Bay, every show is good. In New York, not so much la. Most shows are good.
- [76:53]
B
Most shows are good. The strength of LA is that you can have multiple shows happening within an hour of each other on the same night and they're all good. And that will not happen here.
- [77:01]
A
Yeah, I think there was a while where, I mean, you could see Chicago on a routing and be like, okay, we got Chicago coming up. That could be good.
- [77:09]
B
Yeah, yeah.
- [77:09]
A
Whereas you have the Bay coming if you go, okay, thank God, the base coming up.
- [77:12]
B
Yeah. Lately I'm, I, it appears to me and, and you know, it's. I don't want to sound like I'm the guy who's. I'm not booking shows in Chicago. I'm not going to every show in Chicago. I go to as many lately. They all look great and later they have been. It looks like they've been outstanding. And that's all credit. And due to those who are booking them and who are playing them and who are going to them. You know what I mean? I don't want to sound like I'm like the definitive representative of this scene because I don't necessarily feel that way.
- [77:40]
A
Sure.
- [77:41]
B
But I do think, I do think that Chicago hardcore is at a all time high. I can say that.
- [77:49]
A
And that's what's important. Keep it up.
- [77:51]
B
Yeah.
- [77:51]
A
Favorite mid card wrestler, Dean Malenko.
- [77:56]
B
Dude, Legend.
- [77:59]
A
Yeah.
- [78:01]
B
What is the, the actual definition of being mid Carter? That means you never main event, you know what I mean?
- [78:06]
A
I think it's just like you're not a world champion.
- [78:08]
B
Yeah. You're.
- [78:09]
A
You're wrestling in the middle of the card.
- [78:11]
B
Razor, you know, I mean, but that's him. He's.
- [78:16]
A
Man, he has main event. He is a main event.
- [78:19]
B
Absolutely. But by definition, if I can, if I can cheat on it, you know, I guess.
- [78:25]
A
Yeah. That's crazy. You just opened up YouTube for the first time today.
- [78:30]
B
Beautiful. What a day.
- [78:32]
A
First three things you'll probably watch on YouTube for anything else.
- [78:35]
B
First three things, it's going to be whatever the newest Matty Matheson video is, is typically suggested to me. Like, it'll be the first one.
- [78:43]
A
Yeah.
- [78:44]
B
It will be some sort of gadget review 100%. And then probably like Matt and Shane best of or some. Some comedy thing, some joke world thing that I'll put on. Yeah.
- [79:01]
A
Mine would be some kind of digital foundry tech breakdown of whatever game just came out.
- [79:06]
B
Yeah, right.
- [79:09]
A
Like PC build 5090 review, you know, because I was. I still don't have one. You know, what do I have to do?
- [79:20]
B
Who do.
- [79:21]
A
Who do I got to suck off to get one of these things, huh? Somebody give it to me.
- [79:26]
B
Somebody from Micro center has to watch this show. There has to be one of you. Please, God, just put one aside for the man, please.
- [79:32]
A
And then some kind of ASMR video to calm me down after getting pissed off about not having a 5090 still. Okay, here we go. If you were to divide the US down from North Dakota to Texas with Bo representing East and Colin representing West, what other four current hardcore musicians would you team up with for a 5v5 basketball game?
- [79:54]
B
A basketball game?
- [79:56]
A
Yeah.
- [79:56]
B
Holy.
- [79:58]
A
You would need James, probably.
- [80:02]
B
James, probably. Seb. Regulate.
- [80:05]
A
Well, I mean.
- [80:06]
B
Yeah.
- [80:07]
A
Yeah. It's the. That's a great pick. Depending on the condition of his acl.
- [80:11]
B
We'Re going to assume everyone's feeling good.
- [80:13]
A
Okay. All right. I don't know who, but as a good manager, I know that ACL is there, you know.
- [80:22]
B
Yeah, we're. We're. It said we're managing because I can't ball. I can't play.
- [80:26]
A
No. Yeah, you gotta play.
- [80:28]
B
I don't got the knees or the height. I got nothing. So I'm gonna need more height. I'm picking Cely.
- [80:38]
A
Yeah, that's a real Globetrotter dude.
- [80:41]
B
I'm going. I'm going. Monsters, straight up.
- [80:44]
A
Yeah.
- [80:44]
B
And you know, you know who's gonna. Who. I need someone who I know can, like, shoot. And I don't think. I don't know if Brody can play because he's east coast now. I got him. But he's the biggest person alive who can play. I don't know anybody who can, like, shoot a basket off the top of my head. So I'm going to go. I'm going to go full aggression, full bodies. Brody. So it's James, Sealy, Brody, Seb, and myself. That's my team.
- [81:23]
A
Andrew Baker.
- [81:25]
B
Yeah, he can play.
- [81:26]
A
Nick Samuel. That's. That's he is Steph Curry. You wouldn't believe it. Real elite athletes here. Shooters.
- [81:40]
B
Yeah. You need a shooter.
- [81:42]
A
I need a tall. I need a tall dunker, though, as well. Give me, give me James Vital. I think that's just another natural athlete. You know, he counts for me. He's, he's here. And Austin Crane. I think they would all be very excited to be on a team together. For one, they probably are playing basketball together right now.
- [82:06]
B
The team synergy would be through the roof.
- [82:08]
A
I think it's, I think, I think our synergy. This. I'm spit. I'm team Luna Tunes. If you're the monster.
- [82:15]
B
I mean, straight up. Yeah. Yeah.
- [82:17]
A
So I think let's make it happen.
- [82:21]
B
Dude. I'm going to be honest with you. The physicality of my team, it would be the dirtiest edges, elbows.
- [82:27]
A
100. 100. But they're friends.
- [82:30]
B
Yeah. You know, still stealing your powers. You know what I mean?
- [82:34]
A
Yeah. No, for sure, for sure. Mount Rushmore, Canadian hardcore bands.
- [82:39]
B
No warning.
- [82:40]
A
No warning. Cursed.
- [82:43]
B
Yep.
- [82:44]
A
Figure four.
- [82:46]
B
Yeah. I'll take it. And then come back in. Do, do Figure four. Comeback Kid.
- [82:50]
A
Figure four. Combat Kid can be one pick. And honestly, I'm not a huge propagandi head.
- [82:56]
B
Oh.
- [82:57]
A
But I think they're like.
- [82:59]
B
Yeah.
- [83:00]
A
Kind of the Canadian punk band. Right.
- [83:04]
B
I'll accept it. I think probably. Ghani rocks.
- [83:08]
A
I, I, I'm, I'm almost there. I, I think they're like God tier elite musicians.
- [83:15]
B
That is true. Yes.
- [83:16]
A
And obviously great songwriters.
- [83:19]
B
Okay.
- [83:19]
A
I'm just not, I'm not fully there yet, but I, I respect the legacy.
- [83:23]
B
Gotcha.
- [83:24]
A
Yeah. Is it okay to binge hard lore while on the clock? 100%.
- [83:32]
B
Do everything you can while getting paid.
- [83:35]
A
Steal time from anything, wherever you are, every day.
- [83:40]
B
Dude, no, no joke. I have never been outright fired from a job. And I have never done my job. You know what I mean? Like, I'm always doing other. Always.
- [83:52]
A
8:03Am I'm taking an hour long every single day.
- [83:57]
B
But I, I would, I would be emailing brands on the band's behalf or printing stuff or scanning. Like I'm constantly doing stuff.
- [84:06]
A
Your time is all you have. And you are replaceable wherever you are. So please, whatever you do, steal time.
- [84:17]
B
Yeah.
- [84:17]
A
Even if it's, if it's not for us, that's fine. You got one life. Don't waste it. Your boss, every CEO in the world, kill them all. Huh? Favorite job you worked.
- [84:37]
B
So I always do my job.
- [84:39]
A
And maybe a funny work story or inside joke. I got a great one. Anyway, keep going.
- [84:42]
B
I always do my job at my jobs. I'm a great employee favorite legitimately. My favorite job I ever worked was when I worked for the scooter company and I drove around Chicago. I picked my own schedule. So I drive around the city replacing the batteries on dead scooters in the summer. It was nice out. And it was also only in like a certain area, so I wasn't going to like scary areas or anything. And I would just scariest. I would just scariest. I would just listen to the newest music that was out and then podcasts and that's it.
- [85:18]
A
Beautiful.
- [85:18]
B
And. And I got paid 20 bucks cash note, like under the table.
- [85:23]
A
Oh, cool.
- [85:24]
B
It's awesome. Great job.
- [85:26]
A
I mean, my favorite job I've ever worked is hard lore. But I guess aside from hard lore, of course, would be worked for the Bachelor for a bit. I worked for Big Brother for a long time. I don't know if that's a favorite, but I think it's like a cool thing to have done.
- [85:41]
B
Yeah.
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A
For like five seasons. Worked for that funny work story would be for. For Big Brother in particular. There's a compilation From Big Brother 16 of a girl named Victoria who is a contestant on the show farting. And I was in the camera ring watching her fart this day. So I'm sitting behind this thing being like, holy, this girl is farting violently. And then see it, find it on YouTube the next day. And it's still one of my favorite things. And it's. I think you can just look up BB16 Victoria Farts. It's incredible. Another funny work story would be when I was a communications engineer, which is a. Any TV show or movie you watch, the directors and producers are all communicating with these with like headsets, walkies, and these little PL packs they're called. So I would engineer and set up the systems for which they communicated with each other. There was a guy with gout who worked with us. Pretty funny. We sang different gout songs at him until one day he left. The one that finally got him was go, go. Let it all out. He was gone. Next day he quit. Oh, yeah.
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B
Damn.
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A
Yeah, Mount Rushmore. Guess we've yet to get on hard lore. I would say, what, like Mount Rushmore top four all time dream guests.
- [87:14]
B
Oh, dream guests. Okay, okay. Because in my mind I'm imagining like, well, hopefully Glenn would then take us out for ice cream, you know, like, like, you know, Glenn. Glenn is my goal.
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A
Yeah, Glenn Ian Petfield, HR I would.
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B
Do those first three and then like Lane Staley, Jerry Cantrell. Sorry.
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A
Okay.
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B
I met Jerry. That would though. That would be my mountain. Rushmore.
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A
Yeah, that's tricky.
- [87:47]
B
Dream, like maybe someday. And hey, Sonic Temple. We're playing with Alice in Chains and.
- [87:52]
A
Metallica, so maybe I'll see it. Would you guys consider doing a Misfits bracket tournament of all Danza, of all the Danzig era songs? I think that's a great idea.
- [88:02]
B
It's a great idea.
- [88:04]
A
Yeah. Love it.
- [88:05]
B
I wonder if we would end up. If you and I did them separately, which we shouldn't do. We should do it on the show. But if we did them together, if we would arrive on the same like.
- [88:13]
A
Big four, I think, I think, I think together with putting in the work, you know, and like with our ability to analyze and rationalize all these things, we could, we could come up with a top one.
- [88:23]
B
But I'm saying I wonder if we would independently arrive at the same result.
- [88:27]
A
Oh, like if. Okay. Yeah, that's a good question.
- [88:29]
B
You know, I wonder. Just curious.
- [88:30]
A
We'll have to make a kick ass bracket, I guess. Are you into home audio slash car audio gear? Favorite turntables, amps, speakers, headphones? Yes. Big time car audio, not so much. Don't care turntables. I use a U Turn Orbit Pro, I think it's called. It has a built in preamp, obviously with the Sonos 300 stereo pair setup. My favorite speakers, headphones. Got the goat right here. Sennheiser 8 hundreds. The goat. I do not use them for this show because your voice would just be echoing out of here. Because it's an open back headphone. That's about it. Sono stuff. And, and, and I'm a. I'm a headphone nut. How about you?
- [89:24]
B
I like Sono stuff. Had it, had it for a few years, even longer than that. And like never had a problem.
- [89:31]
A
Never had. And I just keep upgrading and buying things because that's what you do. It's genius. What do you feel has been one of, if not the biggest kind of breaking news revelation from a guest or yourselves on the show.
- [89:46]
B
Most recent, like the first thing that comes to mind is the Misha Alex Counten thing.
- [89:51]
A
That was cool.
- [89:51]
B
That was just an awesome like. Oh, you really were just doing Youth Crew Band just in a different translation.
- [89:58]
A
And what's crazy, like the song is called the. It's not called Misha on streaming anymore really. It's just called those who Fear Tomorrow. But like our entire lives, the song was called Misha Colon those who fear tomorrow.
- [90:11]
B
100%.
- [90:12]
A
So it's weird that I. I just don't even think kids would put that together. I think the. The Todd Carryon revelation was. Was very cool.
- [90:21]
B
Which one?
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A
That. That. That a new band.
- [90:25]
B
Oh, yes.
- [90:26]
A
Will exist with him and Ryan. Ryan. That sounds like Carry On. And we'll be playing Carry on song.
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B
Yeah.
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A
I can't wait to see it.
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B
Yeah.
- [90:35]
A
Okay. Throwing this out since you guys like the question so much for Todd taking everyone you've ever played with forming a band and what genre? Like a super group of people we've played music with before do that every day.
- [90:48]
B
Yeah. You ever heard of God's Hate? He's done it.
- [90:51]
A
It's just same thing. I mean, I'm putting my brother in there. This is. So I do this. This is. I get to do this. I've played. I've only played music with like 10 people ever.
- [91:09]
B
How about people. People you've toured with, who you are not in bands with. Make it okay.
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A
Bo Looters.
- [91:15]
B
Wow.
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A
Martine Stewart.
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B
People you're not in bands with.
- [91:21]
A
Oh, yeah. People. I'm not bad. So Bo Looters. Who's the goat? Drummer Derek Daniel. Who's on bass. Who's a ripping bass player.
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B
Dude.
- [91:35]
A
I'll put. I'll put you on rhythm.
- [91:37]
B
Okay.
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A
Todd on lead.
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B
Sick.
- [91:39]
A
Martine on bass. Because no. Martinez ain't no band with me. You said I can't pick him. Todd on lead, Bo on rhythm. Derek Daniel on drums. All sing. And who's playing bass? Bass is hard, man.
- [91:56]
B
Bass is tough because there is a swag.
- [92:00]
A
What if you played bass and Saba played rhythm guitar?
- [92:03]
B
Okay.
- [92:04]
A
Or lead guitar and Todd played rhythm?
- [92:07]
B
I'd be down with that. That's a cool thing. Let's see. I would do you. I want you drumming.
- [92:13]
A
Okay.
- [92:14]
B
I love. I truly, really enjoy the way you approach drums. I think it's very smack. Let's do. I can do Martin and I could do Taylor. So I'll do Taylor and Martin on guitars. I'll sing. Why does it always come down to the bass player? That's. That's a weird one.
- [92:37]
A
Because it's like everybody that plays bass does stuff in other bands are not just bass players.
- [92:41]
B
Who would I want to do?
- [92:42]
A
Josh from am. That's a legit bass player.
- [92:46]
B
That's a good pick. Who's the dude? Who's the homie who plays bass? And I've never. I never toured with an OR with the homie from Into Another. Who have I played? Bas. Dude. Alex Webster.
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A
There you go. Yeah. Non hardcore band. Slash Artists you'd like to work with. Also, what artist or band would help you eat each? Reach your goal of eating 200 nuggets. 200 nuggets. George from Dead Body is. If I had him with me, it's. It's done.
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B
It's a lock.
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A
It wouldn't even be. It wouldn't even be a struggle.
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B
Okay.
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A
Non hardcore band slash artist. We'd like to have on Haley Williams.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Gwen Stefani.
- [93:33]
B
Haley Williams is, is truly like a great pick. Yeah, she's. She's so.
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A
She's a goat.
- [93:40]
B
Good.
- [93:40]
A
Yeah, she's a God. Any bands right now that you feel are genuinely game changers? Pioneers of a new wave. Pioneers of new wave. I mean it's. It's Fleshwater is definitely literally pioneering a new wave. They're on an arena tour with Deftones right now.
- [93:54]
B
Great pick.
- [93:55]
A
But in terms of like hardcore. Hardcore. I. It's tough not to say Tsunami. And they, they don't want to be anything other than a hardcore man.
- [94:09]
B
Yeah.
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A
You know, and they're. They're doing everything they're doing despite that. Like, despite not wanting to sacrifice. Just being anything but a hard ass hardcore band.
- [94:21]
B
Yeah.
- [94:21]
A
They're entering the stratosphere and that's what it's all about. They're not going like, okay, well, we're getting all these opportunities and doing these things. So we got to like change and, you know, Admiralty and all that. No, they're doing the same thing they've.
- [94:34]
B
Been doing since the demo, which is like unheard of.
- [94:37]
A
Yeah.
- [94:38]
B
You know, that's what's up.
- [94:39]
A
That's a. That's literally the definition of a pioneer of just like. And I'm hearing bands come out that are getting popular that are like influenced by Tsunami. Memorable crowd participate participation moment from either a show you played or show you attended. Craziest pit you've witnessed, or a heartwarming moment. There was a two year span from 18 to 20 for me that I did not get caught stage diving one single time. Two years. Thud.
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B
Thud. Young dude. That's what they call.
- [95:19]
A
And I genuinely think I. Like, I was smarter when I was 18 to 20 years old.
- [95:25]
B
Pre just pre thudding CTE, dude.
- [95:29]
A
Capital C. Lowercase. The biggest. The old English T. Yeah.
- [95:35]
B
Lowercase spongebob T. Yes. Yeah.
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A
The.
- [95:41]
B
Crowd participation. One time at Gilman, there were inflatable like dolphins and stuff in the crowd for some reason, I don't remember why. And James just grabbed one and just started hitting everyone in the front with it. And that was just like a fun thing and then. And somehow it didn't break and it just like got a dolphin was being passed around and that was fun moment. Probably I wasn't there, but the video of. Of Maddie doing the World War 5 part and you giving her a hug. Ah. Was really special to.
- [96:14]
A
That was tough to sing the rest. It was tough to function after that.
- [96:18]
B
Yeah. Yeah. Or the fuming mouth return set.
- [96:23]
A
That was unreal.
- [96:24]
B
That was. That was like. I felt it.
- [96:26]
A
Yeah. That was brutal.
- [96:28]
B
That was good.
- [96:28]
A
That was incredible. Memorable participation moment would be. I don't know what just happened there. Memorable crowd participation moment. Gilman. Like 13 years ago we were playing and this little guy before we started was yanking the mic chord for me in the front before we started. I think he was shit face. I've told the story on here many times and it like made the vibe weird. And everybody was like scared to participate in the set because this guy was in the front just yanking the mic. So he did it about two more times and I booted him in the head. And I like. I'm not exaggerating from the stage to front of house.
- [97:11]
B
He just like.
- [97:14]
A
To the booth was like. Like legit horizontal in air to. To the sound booth and then the place. And then everybody started moshing. So that felt really good.
- [97:29]
B
Sick.
- [97:31]
A
Most expensive shirt or record in your collection.
- [97:35]
B
Oh, this. That's fun.
- [97:38]
A
Record is probably that Halloween 7 inch.
- [97:40]
B
Right there, which is crazy. And all of you should know that that's really a gnarly thing for him to have.
- [97:47]
A
Yeah, I don't have many things like that. Shirts would be. I mean, Marauder stuff is worth so much now. I can't believe it.
- [97:52]
B
Do you still have all of. All of the Marauder shirts?
- [97:55]
A
Oh, yeah. I got first shirt. I got multiples of.
- [97:58]
B
For those of you who don't.
- [97:59]
A
You don't see.
- [98:00]
B
Have we ever included the James compilation of you wearing your shirts in an episode? It's three years now. I forget what we've done and I.
- [98:07]
A
Have way more than that now. But I think we have.
- [98:10]
B
Well here.
- [98:10]
A
Maybe not in a while.
- [98:11]
B
Here it is. Anyway. Just that's. That was a Taste of Collins Collection 10 years ago. That was 2015.
- [98:18]
A
And most of those were sub $50, you know, and now they're like Fudgeing 900. I feel responsible, honestly.
- [98:26]
B
Yeah.
- [98:26]
A
So I apologize.
- [98:28]
B
I've got a couple cool Metallica shirts, but, you know, like probably the most I've ever spent. And like what. What it is is probably the. Or actually it was gifted to me, but it's the the Wolf moon shirt is probably the. It's a great one, you know, and records. Boy, I don't. You know, I have can't close my eyes on wishing well. It's probably that one.
- [98:51]
A
That's cool. I haven't Unsolved Death Test Press. I actually have two of the Street Cleaner and the Southern Lord one.
- [99:01]
B
Cool man.
- [99:03]
A
I know you all have talked about how much your friendship with each other has grown since the start of hard lore. Are there guests you feel like you become closer with from their parents? I would say every single one.
- [99:13]
B
That's kind of true, huh?
- [99:15]
A
Like, a lot of the time we have a guest on. We don't know them that well. Dwid maybe talk to him once or twice. And like, when a guest comes on and their episode is received well and they're excited about it and we talk about it after. That feels really good.
- [99:31]
B
Yeah, it does feel good. Some of my favorite just like moments are when we hit Stop recording. We go, that was fucking awesome.
- [99:38]
A
And we, and then we sit and talk in the Zoom lobby for 10 more minutes.
- [99:41]
B
Yeah. Yeah.
- [99:42]
A
It's awesome.
- [99:43]
B
Yeah. That's fun.
- [99:44]
A
Agreed. So, yeah, every single guest, I think we've gotten a little bit closer with.
- [99:50]
B
Or like, I, I feel just like that I can approach them.
- [99:53]
A
Yeah.
- [99:54]
B
You know what I mean? Like, I just.
- [99:55]
A
Okay. We have this thing we shared that's. That's pretty cool.
- [99:57]
B
Yeah. Yeah.
- [99:58]
A
Paris from Chromex. We just know him now.
- [100:00]
B
Yeah, it's fun.
- [100:01]
A
It's very cool. Special somebody's. They keep bringing up the McNugget challenge again. And like, and I look, you gotta look back at that thing and look at me. I, I, and then, and then look at me for the next six months after that.
- [100:20]
B
Yeah. He, he went through some things.
- [100:22]
A
It started a trajectory, a downward trajectory that legit took about a year for me to stop being it. I think I'm headed back towards it right now, but we'll see. It's. I can't stress enough how horrible that day was. I guess eating a cheesecake and a tiramisu after it was. Or creme brulee or something after it didn't help. But, my God, I hope to never do it again. I will do it again.
- [100:47]
B
Yeah, we will do it again.
- [100:48]
A
We'll do it again together. Is leeway penis music. No.
- [100:55]
B
Someone had a really good example of penis music on the bus the other night. This phrase. Did you invent penis music?
- [101:00]
A
No. No, no.
- [101:01]
B
Okay. It's been around. Okay.
- [101:02]
A
Yeah.
- [101:03]
B
Because people were using it And I was like, holy shit.
- [101:05]
A
No, it's out there.
- [101:06]
B
Okay, good. Is Danzig penis music?
- [101:10]
A
No.
- [101:11]
B
You want to talk about that dancing show you went to the other night.
- [101:14]
A
Dude, Ms. Chromax, because she couldn't get in in time.
- [101:18]
B
Getting in. Yeah.
- [101:20]
A
A bot played only Immortal tracks.
- [101:23]
B
It's a show that was made for me, dude.
- [101:26]
A
I saw the hit, I couldn't believe it.
- [101:28]
B
Were they good?
- [101:29]
A
Yes.
- [101:30]
B
Yeah.
- [101:30]
A
The sound was, like, okay, but. But, like, the vibe was strong that whoever he has playing drums for him is a God.
- [101:38]
B
Dude. The drumming on. On the later Immortal Records, particularly Sons of Northern Darkness, is insane.
- [101:43]
A
It's crazy, dude.
- [101:44]
B
It was.
- [101:44]
A
And I saw every banger.
- [101:46]
B
Yeah. Yeah.
- [101:48]
A
It was crazy. It just. I was like, is he. I was like, damn, this is an Immortal song. That's awesome. And he just. It was like, eight Immortal songs. It was incredible.
- [101:56]
B
So cool.
- [101:56]
A
Down was sonically so perfect, but not in, like, a too perfect type way that I genuinely couldn't believe it.
- [102:07]
B
And, and as you said to me, it's at the Kia Forum, where, like, it ain't dog. Generally, it sounds rough.
- [102:14]
A
It can. You can sound real bad in there. And. Oh, my God. And, like, I felt bad for Danzig following them because, like, Tommy Victor by himself is not gonna compare to Kirk and Pepper.
- [102:25]
B
No. No.
- [102:27]
A
Holy. Dude, whoever was doing sound for down, take a bow. It's the best I've ever heard a band sound before.
- [102:35]
B
Was Rex playing bass?
- [102:37]
A
No. Pat from St. Vitus.
- [102:39]
B
Okay. Okay.
- [102:41]
A
Which, like, you got. You got the Homie Saint Bites. You got Jimmy Bauer on drums.
- [102:46]
B
Yeah.
- [102:46]
A
And then Pepper, the. Maybe the greatest rhythm and lead section in history.
- [102:52]
B
I was surprised. I, I, I kind of always think that down is bigger than they are, I guess I was surprised that they would play a Direct to Danzig.
- [103:00]
A
Yeah. But Direct to Danzig is kind of, you know, a big slot.
- [103:05]
B
Yeah. Huge slot.
- [103:06]
A
Down is down is huge. And that the set list was all bangers, which was really cool. But, like, place didn't fill out until Dancing played, you know?
- [103:13]
B
There you go.
- [103:14]
A
So.
- [103:15]
B
Wow.
- [103:16]
A
That's. That's the only metric that matters.
- [103:17]
B
The King, dude.
- [103:19]
A
Yeah. Favorite moments from each year of the show.
- [103:24]
B
Okay.
- [103:24]
A
I think we just. We just did 2024.
- [103:27]
B
Right.
- [103:27]
A
Basically, 2023 would be going to England. Yeah. That was incredible.
- [103:34]
B
That was incredible.
- [103:36]
A
That was wild.
- [103:37]
B
That was. That it was tied down. That and then Sound of Fury.
- [103:42]
A
Yeah.
- [103:43]
B
We had the craziest two months.
- [103:45]
A
Yeah.
- [103:45]
B
And. And that's when I. I don't know. That was. That was really amazing. Easy.
- [103:50]
A
I, I agree. 2022, I think, would be probably the Furnace Fest trip.
- [103:58]
B
Yeah, I agree.
- [103:58]
A
We just had such a good time.
- [104:00]
B
It was awesome, dude. We. We still have an unexplained haunting we don't know.
- [104:03]
A
Yeah, there's no. There's no. There's no answer to this day, so. And that was very early on in the show. It's pretty cool. Okay, what was the first movie you guys each remember seeing in theater, and what was the experience like for you?
- [104:17]
B
I saw 101 Dalmatians.
- [104:20]
A
That was first one.
- [104:21]
B
The first one I remember. Yeah.
- [104:23]
A
I think Jurassic park was mine.
- [104:25]
B
Cruella deville's eyes when she's chasing them and it goes, like, all crazy. Scared the out of me.
- [104:32]
A
You were so scared.
- [104:33]
B
I was scared of everything, dude. I was so scared. The next movie that I remember seeing was Heavyweights in the theater.
- [104:42]
A
Really? That's a good theater movie.
- [104:43]
B
Great movie. Damn. Yeah.
- [104:45]
A
Colin, how's your experience been since switching to Alamo Drafthouse exclusively? I mean, it's night and day. Because either I can snitch or someone else I can or I'm not. I'm not afraid to be, like, shut the up in an Alamo, you know?
- [105:01]
B
Yeah, right.
- [105:02]
A
Easy.
- [105:03]
B
They're gonna. You no matter what.
- [105:05]
A
Exactly. Yeah, exactly. The theater's got my back, whereas amc, they don't got my back.
- [105:09]
B
Shit.
- [105:10]
A
Bus versus Bandwagon on tour. Cost and comfort are both factors.
- [105:15]
B
So the bandwagon is more expensive than it was previously, as is the bus. But that's kind of to be expected. I've never done a Bandwagon tour, so I don't really know. Yeah, I don't know from everyone I've spoken to. Here's the thing about a bus is you don't necessarily have a shower. And if you're not getting day rooms, which is an extra cost, then you're relying on the venues to shower. That might not happen.
- [105:42]
A
Sure.
- [105:42]
B
The bandwagon more likely will have a shower on it.
- [105:46]
A
Really?
- [105:47]
B
Yeah. And then.
- [105:49]
A
I didn't know.
- [105:49]
B
And then you're sleeping on it. But the bandwagon doesn't have. It's. They're not built to be what they are.
- [105:54]
A
They're not. They don't have, like, sleeping suspension.
- [105:57]
B
Exactly. So when you're hitting bumps, you're hitting bumps, from what I've heard. Yeah.
- [106:01]
A
I've never been on. I've only done one bus tour, and I. I had a really. I didn't really sleep the entire time, so it was tough for me.
- [106:08]
B
I don't. I think it's. It Comes down to just like preference of like how you like to operate. James is not a huge fan of the bus. He likes van and then a room. A hotel room.
- [106:19]
A
Yeah. Sounds awesome.
- [106:20]
B
You know, So I think it just comes down to preference. I. I'm. I would like to do a bandwagon tour soon. It seems in the States. It seems like kind of the way.
- [106:29]
A
Totally favorite post hardcore or hardcore adjacent.
- [106:33]
B
Emo bands into another, I would say, is post hardcore. At least. I mean. I mean, it's something like.
- [106:41]
A
I. I think the definition of post hardcore is like wrong. Like what, what. What those bands sound like? Well, like a post hardcore band.
- [106:48]
B
Yeah. Like, right.
- [106:48]
A
I think an actual post hardcore band, it would be into another. Like. Yeah, I was in Underdog.
- [106:53]
B
Yes.
- [106:55]
A
Now I'm in Into another.
- [106:56]
B
Yeah, that's.
- [106:58]
A
I post. Previously I was in a hardcore band. Now I'm in a hardcore band. That sounds like Rush, you know.
- [107:05]
B
Yeah. Yeah. There you go. Wow.
- [107:07]
A
Great answer.
- [107:07]
B
Yeah.
- [107:08]
A
Eat. But hardcore, Jason, Emo bands.
- [107:13]
B
I mean.
- [107:14]
A
Sunny Day Real Estate, I guess. I think that counts.
- [107:16]
B
It does count.
- [107:17]
A
That's a great band, dude.
- [107:18]
B
Honestly. Basement. I'm on a basement kick now because they play all the hits.
- [107:24]
A
There you go.
- [107:24]
B
Good Lord. Do they got hits.
- [107:26]
A
There you go. How are you both answering the golden arches question in 2025?
- [107:31]
B
We have vastly different answers these days.
- [107:33]
A
I don't know, man. I mean, then. Then we previously did. Yes, Yes. I think you're gonna love my answer.
- [107:40]
B
You finally in? Is it happening?
- [107:43]
A
I get in and out at home, you know.
- [107:45]
B
Yeah. Yeah.
- [107:45]
A
I can have that whenever I want.
- [107:47]
B
Oh, I love this answer.
- [107:48]
A
On tour, brother. There would be nothing. I can't think of a thing more exciting to me then flying down the highway and seeing an exit for a Portillo.
- [108:00]
B
Just that little puppy dog just on the side.
- [108:03]
A
I can't even imagine how good that would feel.
- [108:06]
B
Yeah, that made me feel. That made my heart flutter.
- [108:09]
A
That's my answer.
- [108:10]
B
That made me feel really good. Wow. I think most. So for me, it probably would be Portillo's or In n Out. But for the band, I think the band would universally be really satisfied and. And most likely to pick a Shake Shack.
- [108:32]
A
Really?
- [108:32]
B
Yeah. I think that's where we are in 2025 because over.
- [108:36]
A
In and out.
- [108:37]
B
Oh, no.
- [108:40]
A
I've seen them go bananas for.
- [108:43]
B
Yeah, it's in and out. You're right.
- [108:44]
A
There you go.
- [108:45]
B
You're right. Yeah. Good call.
- [108:47]
A
What are your top four classic rock albums from 1960 to 1979?
- [108:53]
B
I love this.
- [108:55]
A
Love this.
- [108:55]
B
That's Fantastic. Zeppelin. Houses of the Holy. Black Sabbath by Black Sabbath.
- [109:02]
A
Okay.
- [109:06]
B
I'm gonna say the who. Let's do. Let's do Tommy, even though I'm not a rock opera guy. Love Tommy. And then, dude, any CCR record, pick one.
- [109:24]
A
Okay.
- [109:25]
B
It's fine.
- [109:26]
A
And in this, I'm gonna go ahead and say. I mean, Beatles don't count, but Beach Boys, that's feel. I feel like that's pop music. So I would say classic rock 60 to 79. King Crimson and the court of Crimson King.
- [109:40]
B
That's the face, right?
- [109:41]
A
Oh, yeah.
- [109:42]
B
Crazy Kiss.
- [109:43]
A
Destroyer.
- [109:44]
B
Destroyer rocks, dude.
- [109:47]
A
Leonard Skynyrd. Pronounced Leonard Skynyrd.
- [109:50]
B
Yeah.
- [109:51]
A
And Black Sabbath. Paranoid.
- [109:54]
B
You go paranoid over self titled. Yeah. Love it.
- [110:00]
A
Rock.
- [110:00]
B
There's no bad answer, you know?
- [110:02]
A
No. Any. Any four I hear. I go, yeah, those are good. Yeah, Those stood the test of time.
- [110:06]
B
Yeah.
- [110:08]
A
Appropriate length of time to wait to cover a band after they break up. Also, what's a saw trap? You think you could escape slash, survive.
- [110:16]
B
Wow. I think I could have. Okay. It's a trap within a trap. But in Saw 2, when she puts her hands in, I think I would have put one hand in. I think I could see what was gonna happen. You know what I mean?
- [110:28]
A
It'd be like, well, obviously this is a trap. Yeah, I'm in saw, you know?
- [110:32]
B
Yeah. So I think I'm.
- [110:33]
A
And you do this, son.
- [110:34]
B
And then you go, yeah, I'm in Saw 2. I need to. Okay, I got it. I think I could have done that.
- [110:39]
A
It's a great answer.
- [110:41]
B
What was the first question?
- [110:43]
A
How long. Appropriate length of time to wait to cover Ban if they break up the year used the rule used to be seven years.
- [110:48]
B
For some reason, I thought it was like 10. But yeah, it was a length of time.
- [110:52]
A
Yeah.
- [110:52]
B
But I think as all things speed up, I mean, rules and bands are covering our bands that still exist. Yeah. You know, so some.
- [111:01]
A
Our band is covering Turnstile right now somewhere in America.
- [111:04]
B
Yeah. You know, in my opinion, it depends on proximity to the band.
- [111:10]
A
Sure.
- [111:11]
B
If Nacho. If. When Nachos did take their hiatus, if they broke up and then we covered Nachos the month. A month later in Chicago. That's fun.
- [111:18]
A
That would make sense.
- [111:19]
B
It makes sense. So I think it kind of depends case by case.
- [111:22]
A
But it is a case by case scenario in general. I would say a year after a breakup.
- [111:27]
B
Yeah, breakup.
- [111:28]
A
Go ahead.
- [111:29]
B
Yeah. Right.
- [111:30]
A
There's no time.
- [111:31]
B
You're right.
- [111:31]
A
While the band is active, it's. It's situationally dependent.
- [111:35]
B
I agree.
- [111:36]
A
You know, if you're 17, 16. Do whatever you want. There's no rules. You're awesome.
- [111:40]
B
Yeah.
- [111:41]
A
If you're 28 and you're covering TUI and you don't know them, maybe a little weird, like I've covered Soul Search, you know, they're. They're a band. Not a question. But the venue worker asking another venue worker if. If we do in Waters tonight still lives free and rent free in my head. Let me go on. Let me tell you something about that. This is a show I played at the Cobalt cafe. Ruckus and xibalba0 paid Kenny. I know their names. Kenny asked Gilbert, are we doing Waters tonight? And Gilbert said, no, I know their names because they're the only two employees at the Cobalt Cafe. So it's not. It's not that. The venue worker asking. Venue worker. It's the only two guys who I know by name at this time as a 14, 15 year old, 16 year old. If we can. If the band playing that is here all the time can have Waters. No, that's the part that makes it insane. Anyway, y'all have introduced many listeners to some great bands and albums over the past three years. What are some of your favorite discoveries you found yourselves through doing the podcast, either from fans or from people you're interviewing?
- [112:51]
B
Well, that's a unique question.
- [112:54]
A
Bad Religion.
- [112:56]
B
Yeah. Yeah, you.
- [112:58]
A
I can't believe them.
- [113:03]
B
What did I go back after the. Both the Vogel and Carl Earth Crisis episodes, I went back and listened to a bunch of stuff. So it's not so much that. Stuff that I hadn't listened to, but it's like I revisited. I really revisited.
- [113:18]
A
I do that every week when we have a guest on. I listen to their discography again and I'm like, oh, my God.
- [113:23]
B
But I can't believe even like. Like just going back and like, okay, I listened to Vegan Reich. I listened to Raid. I listened to Straight Ahead or the. All the AF early stuff, you know, like, just like being like being in the headspace of having talked to someone and being like, this is what we were influenced by. I go back and kind of go through it. Or like the Path of Resistance record. Listen to that again. So it's mostly just like rediscovering stuff that I was listening to a lot in high school and being like, damn, this Path record fucking rocks. You know?
- [113:55]
A
100. If the personality slash consciousnesses of you and your pets were switched, do you think they would take care of you?
- [114:03]
B
I think Metallicat would, yes. He. He takes care of Squid for sure. What about you?
- [114:10]
A
I think Chili would. I think he's like my actual best friend.
- [114:13]
B
Yeah.
- [114:13]
A
You know?
- [114:14]
B
You think Chili, like.
- [114:14]
A
I think I'm his best friend too.
- [114:16]
B
So Chili's in your body?
- [114:18]
A
Yeah, I think Chili's looking down and being like, oh, my God, I can talk and think like, dude, I think. And I think we'd. You'd still be best friends.
- [114:26]
B
Okay.
- [114:27]
A
What's a song from either of your respective discographies that you flat out won't play live? And why?
- [114:33]
B
Oh, ah. Just like, early. Like. Like we're not. You're gonna catch Harm's Way demo songs, you know, that's pretty much it.
- [114:42]
A
I would say at. At a hardcore show, we can't really play an 8 minute closing track like Crucifixion, as much as I would love to. Just doesn't really make sense for the environment that we play in. And we're not really interested in being anything other than that, you know. But we'll see off the back of Max Cavallara saying, everything comes from somewhere in terms of songwriting inspiration. Does the end of Kill for you come from footsteps? By warning. Foot footprints, I believe footprints. By warning he meant, what are some other things you guys have done? It was definitely inspired by that. And the big inspiration was that when I listen to Footprints, I add a harmony to the bridge in my car or something, you know?
- [115:32]
B
Yeah.
- [115:32]
A
So I was like, I got to do a part like this and so that the harmony can actually be there.
- [115:36]
B
I see.
- [115:37]
A
And that was. That was. It was inspired by it. Yeah.
- [115:40]
B
Yeah.
- [115:41]
A
Other things. Inspired by, like, there's a lot of. There's a lot of death metal in twitching tongues and like, we don't sound like a death metal band.
- [115:52]
B
No, but that's why it works.
- [115:54]
A
That's why it works.
- [115:56]
B
Isolation has a bunch of machine head and Sepultura. Rust has a bunch of slipknot and Sepultura. Post Human has some fear Factory and Sepultura and Common Suffering is just Nick's head and probably some Sepultura.
- [116:19]
A
There you go.
- [116:20]
B
Yeah.
- [116:21]
A
Excellent, Mary. Kill Crop preserver. Crop reviver. Body buffer.
- [116:27]
B
I'm marrying the body buffer because as someone who struggles with, like, acne and body acne, that has genuinely helped me quite a bit. Exfoliating is good. Marrying that. I'm killing the reviver and marrying the preserver. I love what the preserver does. Like how it felt like a liquid talc. I love that.
- [116:48]
A
Yeah.
- [116:48]
B
Yeah.
- [116:49]
A
I'm killing the buffer.
- [116:50]
B
Wow. Mr.
- [116:53]
A
The preserver. I'm marrying the reviver.
- [116:56]
B
Wow, look at us.
- [116:58]
A
Two peas. Different pot, separate pot. Let's see favorite pieces of hard lore you have discovered through doing the show. The stigma thing was a treasure trove. You know, I would say hearing that he didn't like Cause for Alarm is something. I still think about the D. Schneider.
- [117:20]
B
Aspect to that too.
- [117:21]
A
That.
- [117:21]
B
I mean, that's hard lore, you know?
- [117:24]
A
Yeah. That's crazy. I had heard that already and I've been waiting to talk to Don Fury about it, which we have to do. But yeah, that's crazy.
- [117:35]
B
Fuck. I'm like, oh, just the, the whole thing with Josta where he saw an opening.
- [117:47]
A
Fugazi.
- [117:48]
B
No. Yeah. And he saw an opening in like what his peers wanted and said, I'm gonna do that. So he did that.
- [117:55]
A
It is, it is. I mean, just the, the. It was so methodically thought out, which is. And it's just Hate Breed, you know?
- [118:02]
B
Yeah. It's crazy that. That he was right. Blew my mind. He was absolutely right. It blew my mind. And then the first song being Not One Truth, it's just like.
- [118:09]
A
Well, exactly.
- [118:09]
B
Go kill myself.
- [118:12]
A
Would you ever do another podcast collaboration? I'm sure we would. Just has to be the right one.
- [118:18]
B
Yeah.
- [118:18]
A
Where do you think you would be right now if you didn't get into the music industry? You'd be a history teacher, right? I think we've, we've answered this. I think once per Q and A. I think so.
- [118:27]
B
I think I would have. But I was a really bad student, man. But. But I definitely, when I was in community college, because I was aimless, I definitely made the choice of, well, I can go and tour with my best friends or I can and stay in this school that I hate. So it was kind of a no brainer.
- [118:43]
A
I'd probably be acting. That was my first, first goal. Pre music. Somebody said their favorite moment of the show was the did you bring the spirit box bit from the Queen Mary? Thank you.
- [118:56]
B
Colin was very excited about that bit.
- [118:58]
A
I was very excited about that. Aaron Knuckles full episode. Yeah, let's go.
- [119:03]
B
Yeah, that'd be great.
- [119:04]
A
We would love that. He's on the. He's on the list. I have a. I have a list of a doc of like, who I want this year. Aaron's on there.
- [119:15]
B
There is a Mini with him if you're interested.
- [119:17]
A
Yeah, of course there's a Mini, but we need. I need three, four hours of that.
- [119:21]
B
Yeah, we need more.
- [119:22]
A
What's a song that makes you tear.
- [119:23]
B
Up every time this. The. The break in the score of Dunkirk when all of the civilian vessels are coming to save all the boys and the admiral. Home, he says. Home. That'll get me. Other than that, I don't really. Music doesn't really do that to me.
- [119:41]
A
Interesting.
- [119:42]
B
I don't have that kind of. Do you. Do you have an answer?
- [119:44]
A
Yeah, I think it was. It was a very, very, very tough time in my life. I listened to Tracy Chapman Fast Car every single day, every day for like a three month dark span. So Tracy Shaman Fast Car gets me.
- [120:03]
B
And it.
- [120:03]
A
It pains me to see it appropriated by the worst people in the world. You know, I don't believe. I think the modern country music fan is the worst person in the world.
- [120:17]
B
Okay.
- [120:17]
A
You know, sure. But it is. It's got to be the worst music demographic in the world.
- [120:23]
B
But I give props to Luke Combs for having her on the Grammys with him.
- [120:28]
A
I don't disagree. You know, getting Tracy paid, I love.
- [120:32]
B
Yeah, exactly. Okay, good.
- [120:33]
A
The worst guy in America. Loving the song. I hate. Yeah, that's all it is.
- [120:38]
B
And I like the fact that you'll own that song too. And do it. You did a karaoke.
- [120:43]
A
Oh, I'll wreck that song.
- [120:44]
B
I like. I like that you could take something that was a dark thing and.
- [120:49]
A
And it makes me tear up. Just sing it.
- [120:51]
B
Honestly.
- [120:52]
A
Mount Rushmore of cheeses.
- [120:54]
B
Interesting. Do you have a favorite?
- [120:57]
A
A mozzarella is my favorite cheese. I know. It's a boring answer.
- [121:00]
B
No, but it's like saying vanilla is because. Yeah. Because it's king.
- [121:03]
A
Yeah.
- [121:04]
B
Yeah.
- [121:04]
A
So mozzarella. Brie. You don't like brie?
- [121:09]
B
Like a saw. I don't like soft cheese at all.
- [121:12]
A
Oh, my God. Those are the best ones, dude.
- [121:15]
B
No, I mean, apart from mozzarella and burrata. Like any of the buffalo. I like all of that, but, dude.
- [121:21]
A
Brie is like that, but. But like funky. What? It's funk and it just has more flavor.
- [121:28]
B
That is George Clinton Funkalicious.
- [121:30]
A
Oh, my God. And then maybe like a provolone.
- [121:33]
B
Love it.
- [121:34]
A
And then if burrata counts. Yeah, that's number one.
- [121:37]
B
Mozzarella Munster. I love Munster. I love a sharp cheddar, sharp razor blade, and probably like a parm. Parmesan. What?
- [121:51]
A
Dude, parmesan is like. The whole point is that it kind of smells like foot and you're telling me brie is gross.
- [121:57]
B
But parmesan isn't soft. The combo of soft and funk is. I'm out.
- [122:02]
A
It's crazy, man. Mount Rushmore drum fills. Okay, King diamond, welcome home.
- [122:11]
B
Keep going.
- [122:12]
A
Slayer. Ghost of War.
- [122:15]
B
That was my Number one. It's so.
- [122:24]
A
There's a Lamb of God one. You know what I'm talking about?
- [122:28]
B
Depends.
- [122:29]
A
It's like, you know what I'm talking with the bells.
- [122:35]
B
Yeah. Yes. With all the.
- [122:37]
A
I forgot what songs it's in. It's insane. And then. Oh, dude, the Iceman, the Harsh Truth.
- [122:48]
B
Let's.
- [122:49]
A
So minimal. That's some Quincy Jones type, you know?
- [122:52]
B
Totally. One take go.
- [122:55]
A
Yeah.
- [122:57]
B
We'll say the Outburst intro. Drum fill. I think I could play it. You know what I mean? Like, if I could definitely kid, I think I could do it.
- [123:06]
A
You can definitely do it.
- [123:09]
B
I'll say Won't Get Fooled Again. Keith Moon will say. I'm gonna say Ghost of War as well. Like, genuinely a perfect. And what's like a nice. Oh, dude. Simple Minds. Don't you forget about. Don't forget about me. But the fill before, I said a lie because it's like. There's that, like a diggity.
- [123:44]
A
Oh, yeah, that's a good one.
- [123:45]
B
It's awesome. And then what's funny, though, is as that goes on and before he switches to the ride, he does a snare fill and it's up. It's totally like a bad take and is off time because he goes. He. Like.
- [124:01]
A
But it's just had so much character that they left it in.
- [124:03]
B
Yeah. It kind of stutters. It's interesting. But I love that drum fill.
- [124:07]
A
Very cool. If you could join any band playing any instrument, what would it be?
- [124:14]
B
You know what's so funny is, like, I can't play as much as he gets. I can't play what Kirk Hammett plays. I can noodle and. But I couldn't.
- [124:24]
A
Kirk rules.
- [124:25]
B
He rules. You know what I mean? So, like, as much as I would love to say Metallica, I can't physically do it.
- [124:30]
A
Yeah.
- [124:30]
B
So it's got to be something that I'm capable of doing, which is pretty limited.
- [124:37]
A
No, it's not limited. You're a great guitar player.
- [124:39]
B
But it's. It's limited to a technical aspect, so it would have to be a punk thing, you know, it would have to be something more in. In that world. And, boy, I'll. I'll. You know, Doyle can set it down. I'll pick up the mantle. I'll. I'll. I'll play in the Misfits. Fine. You got.
- [124:59]
A
I was gonna say I. I can and should play drums for Danzig.
- [125:03]
B
Yeah, I could play. I can't play the leads. John Christ. Leads are crazy, you know?
- [125:08]
A
John Christ is irreplaceable.
- [125:13]
B
I mean, as you witnessed. As we have witnessed.
- [125:17]
A
And like Tommy Victor holds it down. He's by himself.
- [125:19]
B
He's by himself. That's not easy.
- [125:21]
A
It's tough. But John Christ. John Christ by himself, I have no doubt.
- [125:25]
B
So was. Was there a time when they were a five piece? Because Kenny played, right?
- [125:31]
A
Kenny did play. But he might have been replacing John Christ. And then Todd Youth played who I think was by himself, which is.
- [125:39]
B
That's so crazy.
- [125:41]
A
It's awesome that Todd Youth was in that role.
- [125:44]
B
What I think that really exemplifies is how awesome how aware Glenn is.
- [125:51]
A
Dude. Because I want the guy from Warzone.
- [125:54]
B
But then also it's. It's Harley's Chromax playing opening.
- [125:58]
A
Yeah.
- [125:58]
B
You know what I mean? Like, he's aware. And when the Misfits were first doing stuff, it was Power Trip at the time. And Harley's Chromags at the time. An alkaline trio in fear.
- [126:08]
A
But he also is booked by Nick Storch, who is. Who is very aware.
- [126:12]
B
Storage. Yes, he is very aware.
- [126:14]
A
Storch is a. Is a. Is. Is the king of this.
- [126:17]
B
He's a corpsman. He also has my most coveted merch item of all time. It's actually not even merch. He has a Metallica and justice for all leather jacket that, like, was only given to band and crew.
- [126:28]
A
He has one and shout out Max Vic as well. Can't leave him out. He's the man. He works with, Nick. He books us. King gambling legend. What is the most popular song in the world of aggressive music that would still make you pit? And they said, example, Ace of Spades, Enter Sandman.
- [126:49]
B
Like, it all depends on the setting. You know what I mean?
- [126:52]
A
Sure.
- [126:53]
B
If. If I was at that Metallica Metro show, you would have been any one of the songs. I mean, I'm in the pit. I'm in the pit for the show now. Hardcore pitting.
- [127:05]
A
You know, like, I've done that for Coheed, so I can't. There's no. I can't knock anything. Yeah.
- [127:10]
B
It's probably the answer. Pantera, probably. Like, in the right setting.
- [127:17]
A
Sure.
- [127:17]
B
If there was enough hardcore dudes there, I would like pit to. You know, like, it's all like Suicide.
- [127:23]
A
Note 2 or something.
- [127:24]
B
It's all. It's all depends on the setting. I'm not gonna pit at a baseball or a football stadium.
- [127:30]
A
Right. You know, somebody asked, can we get a blooper reel from Steven?
- [127:35]
B
That's a great idea.
- [127:36]
A
Ooh, I don't know. I hope not. But Maybe. And then the last question is Mount Rushmore Hard Lore episodes.
- [127:48]
B
Okay.
- [127:50]
A
That is tough.
- [127:51]
B
Let's. Should we exclude or include in person stuff? Because those are all the best ones in my opinion, with the exception of, like, the Todd and Carl.
- [128:02]
A
Todd was in person for me, so that was a little different, you know.
- [128:05]
B
Okay.
- [128:05]
A
I would say. Yeah. I would say everything has to be included.
- [128:11]
B
Okay, well, then. All right.
- [128:13]
A
Stigma.
- [128:14]
B
Easy. Stigma is something that, like, I will. Will always be Mount Rushmore. Like, we can hang our hat on that by default. By default.
- [128:23]
A
That's the coolest thing we've done.
- [128:24]
B
Yes.
- [128:24]
A
Yeah.
- [128:25]
B
Yes.
- [128:26]
A
Paris.
- [128:27]
B
Yeah.
- [128:28]
A
I just think from a. From like, a journalistic perspective, that's probably our best work.
- [128:33]
B
Yeah. You know, not that we consider ourselves or take ourselves seriously as journalists.
- [128:37]
A
Not at all. But I think we like that a lot of work went into that for.
- [128:41]
B
What we were trying to do. I think we did it really well.
- [128:43]
A
Yes. Based up from. Based off of Rod Glazers, I believe that's his name. I think that. Glacier. Glacier, yeah. The interview he did.
- [128:53]
B
Yeah.
- [128:54]
A
Using that as our template to go off of. I really hope I'm saying his name right. If not, I apologize. Todd might have to be on there, and maybe there's some recency bias there, but I think it's a really great episode.
- [129:06]
B
I do, too.
- [129:07]
A
And Josta.
- [129:10]
B
All right. I'm gonna say stigma for sure. I loved and want to do more like the Brian Garris episode.
- [129:20]
A
Oh, that one's. I mean, that's our. That's still our most popular, and it just rocked.
- [129:24]
B
And I think that it. You know, the only reason we don't do stuff like that is because it's. It's difficult and expensive to do stuff like that. Like, that's it. So we would love to do more, but. So stigma. Brian. The Josta episode was really cool, and.
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A
That was an early benchmark.
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B
Yeah, it was. It was an early. Like, we. We got someone. You know what I mean? It was an early. Yeah.
- [129:52]
A
That the Maddie episode is. Is up there.
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B
And for sure. There you go. The Maddie episode. I can't watch it because I hate how I look so badly, but I loved that episode. That whole little weekend was so sick.
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A
It was awesome.
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B
Awesome.
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A
And there you have it, folks. This is. This is three years of hard, though. We're. You know, here's to hopefully at least one more. We're doing this. We're doing our best here. There's. We got. There's a lot of people in hardcore to talk to, you know?
- [130:22]
B
Yeah.
- [130:23]
A
There's kind of an infinite amount of people we're talking to, so we're trying to really sparse them out. We wanted March to be crazy. We wanted it to feel like, holy shit, they're insane.
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B
It's not. It can't always be like that.
- [130:35]
A
No. And. And. But we're. It was that. That was a. We still got it. Stick around. It'll always be there. We really. We really bust our ass on this show. Stephen works his ass off on this show, editing it, putting together. We could not do it without him. Stephen, we love you. Thank you so much. So much, Bo. It's an honor to be on this ride with you. There's nobody else I'd rather be on it with. May. Maybe. Maybe ride into the sunset together while the sun is still burning, you know?
- [131:10]
B
Wow. Beautiful. Yeah. I mean, obviously. Likewise. This is. This has been probably the best thing that's ever happened to me. And it certainly goes with. I hope it goes without saying, but I'll say it anyway, that without you guys and the Patreons and everybody who's actively participating and watching and all the feedback we get, like, rocks. And we're very grateful. We try not to take it for granted, even in the least bit.
- [131:41]
A
That's right. We. We're working on a couple potential, like, sponsors and stuff that will make things like the stigma and Brian episodes more possible.
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B
Yeah.
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A
So stay tuned. We'll, you know, we'll obviously keep you all posted.
- [131:57]
B
Yeah, we have. We have something coming up that we can. Will probably be in the next week's episode. That is really cool, and I'm very excited about that, but that's just a little teaser. Don't worry about that.
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A
That's right. All right. Thank you all. We love you so much. Three years. You got all the best. We'll see you next year for number four. Bye.