Jorge Rosado: Merauder, Making Master Killer, Remembering "Sob" & The Sepultura Audition

Summary

HardLore Podcast — Episode Summary

Episode Overview

Podcast: HardLore
Hosts: Colin Young, Bo Lueders
Guest: Jorge Rosado (Merauder vocalist)
Date: February 19, 2026
Episode: "Jorge Rosado: Merauder, Making Master Killer, Remembering 'Sob' & The Sepultura Audition"

This celebratory episode marks 30 years since the release of Merauder's seminal album Master Killer. The hosts, both admirers of the band, conduct an extensive, candid conversation with Jorge Rosado. They discuss his origins, the birth and lore behind Master Killer, Merauder’s place in New York hardcore and metal, influential friendships, touring stories, the band's tangled history, and Jorge's personal reflections. The episode is a deep dive into the making of a classic, remembrance of fallen friends, and the persistent spirit of hardcore.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Jorge’s Introduction to Music & Early Life

• Brooklyn Upbringing: Jorge was born and raised in Brooklyn, with periods spent in Puerto Rico in the early '80s.
• Early Musical Influences: Metal was first—Alice Cooper was a gateway, followed by Iron Maiden, Black Sabbath, and deeper underground acts.
• First Exposure to Hardcore: Jorge’s boots-on-the-ground entry came through chance encounters with skinheads and being the rare long-haired metalhead amidst the New York hardcore (NYHC) community.
• Breakdancing Roots: Before music took over, he was deeply into breakdancing and hip-hop culture.

“I was a break dancer, you know, really break dancing, popping, doing all this shit. And, you know, I went there, I think, in 80. 81. Came back like 83. Okay. And that's where I got into metal.” —Jorge (05:04)

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2. Brooklyn Hardcore & Merauder’s Genesis

• Blurring Scene Lines: Although there were divisions among neighborhoods and genres, Jorge found more community in hardcore over metal, citing activism and camaraderie.
• Formation Stories: Jorge recounts how he encountered Saab (SOB), which eventually led to his audition and place in Merauder, underscoring the accidental nature of joining the band.

“I never in my life set out to do any of this, and it's all falling into my hands... Like, everything just fell into my hands. It was like almost... it was destined.” —Jorge (32:29, 50:53)

• Early Bands: Before Merauder, Jorge dabbled in bands like Full Contact and Awful Truth, often switching between frontman and experimenting with instruments.
• Influence & Legacy: Recognized contemporaries like Carnivore, Leeway, Life of Agony, and Biohazard as early Brooklyn bands putting their borough on the musical map.

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3. The Master Killer Era (Making of a Classic)

• Joining Merauder: After a random run-in with Saab, Jorge got a demo, learned the set in three days, and soon found himself in the studio.
• Album Material: Nearly all material for Master Killer was written before Jorge joined. Drummer Vinnie and guitarist Anthony were main songwriters.
• Recording Sessions: Jorge revealed he felt self-conscious during the recording, holding back vocally due to outside suggestions about his accent.

“I, I, I held back on my vocals... Not in a bad way, but I kind of felt like Paris May, you and Vinnie were like, oh. You know, they made me sound like, you know...” —Jorge (34:50)

• Band Dynamics: Stories abounded of onstage fights and unpredictable energy (“...we had a fight in the middle of the show, and the kids in Castle Gym were like, what the fuck...”? —34:06).
• Longevity & Influence: Recognizing Master Killer's impact and only realizing its "classic" status decades later.

“Did you feel like you made a timeless classic album?”
“Not until, like, after, like, 20 years.” —(56:15)

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4. Moshing, Martial Arts & Personal Style

• Karate Mosh: Jorge and a handful of others pioneered the “karate mosh” style, incorporating martial arts—he was an active practitioner and brought that energy on stage.
• Stage Antics: Iconic moves like throwing the mic out, shadowboxing mid-set, and an overall commitment to presence.

“The karate came from me, yeah. And a couple other people were doing it, but they didn’t train, but they were just good at throwing kicks. But I was actually training.” —Jorge (17:14)

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5. Remembrance of “SOB” Saab & The Sunset Skins

• SOB Stories: Saab emerges as an outsized, mythic figure in Jorge’s life—stories recounted of brawls, near-misses, and loyalty between them.
• Cultural Representation: The importance of representing Latinos in a predominantly white/Black scene and sticking together out of mutual recognition.

“We always kind of look for each other no matter where we go ... we always look for each other. And when we did, we. We stuck together.” —Jorge (12:28)

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6. Band Turmoil, Loss, and Legacy

• Band Member Issues: Jorge describes struggles and fractures—departures, personal conflicts, and the tragic fates of bandmates like Anthony (struggled with addiction/homelessness).
• Cycle of Leaving and Returning: Left Merauder after Five Deadly Venoms (recorded as pre-production demos), joined El Nino, but later returned.
• Appreciation and Regret: Looking back at band output—regrets over rushed records (e.g., Brutality), but pride in others, particularly God Is I.

“I barely listen to that record... I feel like I don’t really like the production, production wise. It’s too metallic.” —On Brutality, Jorge (82:56)

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7. The Sepultura Audition

• How It Happened: Urban legend is confirmed—Jorge truly was considered for Sepultura’s vocalist role after Max Cavalera’s departure.
• Context & Fallout: Audition went well musically, but when he asserted his identity in a conversation comparing him to Phil Anselmo (Pantera), he was quietly dropped.
• Personal Impact: This artistic rejection hit hard—Jorge openly reflects on the resulting depression and his perspective on authenticity in music.

“I thought that that was my only opportunity in life to become somebody. And I ruined it. And I don’t even know what I did.” —Jorge (75:26)

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8. Later Years & Further Projects

• Ragman Project: A meaningful side band, with deeply personal songs (notably “Obstacles”).
• God Is I: Post-Brutality, this Merauder album is Jorge’s personal favorite, as he had ownership over vocal and artistic direction.
• Tour Memories & Community: Shares stories of major festivals (Dynamo), European tours (with Kickback), and local connections (Wetlands shows, Chicago gigs).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

Joining Merauder & Destiny (00:02 / 32:29 / 50:53)

“I never in my life set out to do any of this, and it's all falling into my hands. Like, I never set out to be in a band... it was like it was destined to be that.” —Jorge

On Experiencing Hardcore Community (14:23)

“I felt more at home in the hardcore scene than I did in the metal scene. To me, the metal scene was more just entertainment... But I found more than that in hardcore community.”

The Genesis of the Karate Mosh (16:09)

“The karate came from me ... but I was actually training.” —Jorge

Reflecting on Spirituality & Survival (21:10)

“Something saved me. And it wasn't anything physical, wasn't anything human... something was letting me know. I don't diss spirituality, because something saved me.”

On Artistic Rejection (75:26)

“I thought that that was my only opportunity in life to become somebody. And I ruined it. And I don’t even know what I did.” —Jorge

On the Master Killer Legacy (56:19)

Q: “Did you feel like you made a timeless classic album?”
A: “Not to, like, halfway down the Marauder path.” —Jorge

The Spirit of Hardcore (89:16)

“This is a scene where we’re taught to be warriors, man. You don’t fall in a scene and stay down... I tell these kids, even if you don’t know us and you [...] having some issues. Hit me up, bro. Got social media. Hit me up. Say, oh, I want to talk to you. Holla at me, bro.”

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Important Timestamps

• Joining Merauder / Destiny: (00:02, 32:29, 50:53)
• Early Brooklyn/NYHC Stories: (05:04–10:15)
• Division in Scene & Moshing: (14:23–16:09)
• Karate Mosh Origins: (16:09–18:12)
• SOB Stories: (25:07–29:01)
• Making Master Killer: (34:42–36:04, 47:00–56:19)
• Band Turmoil and Recording: (41:11–43:47, 82:27)
• Sepultura Audition: (68:47–78:43)
• Ragman/Personal Lyrics: (86:51–90:47)
• Favorite Show Memory (Dynamo Festival): (97:09)
• Top 4 Hardcore Albums: (106:21–108:53)
• Closing Message: (109:29–109:46)

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Conclusion & Final Thoughts

This episode is a living document of Merauder's three-decade journey, layered with NYHC history, brotherhood, and catharsis. Jorge is unguarded, blending humor and pain, pride and humility. He shares both the joys and perils of pursuing music, unwavering dedication to his community, and the unforeseen ways life unfolds—always with the heart of a street kid turned hardcore lifer.

“Never doubt yourself. Don’t be your worst enemy, man. Just live life. Be free. Fuck the distractions. Do what pleases you. Live your life. You’re only gonna get one chance, brother. Peace.” —Jorge (109:29)

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For listeners and newcomers, this episode is both a lesson in hardcore’s cultural gravity and a tribute to persistence, creativity, and the unseen bonds that keep a scene alive.

Transcript

[Colin]

How does it occur that you join Marauder?

[Jorge Rosado]

I ran into Saab, and I haven't seen him in a while. He came out the train station, and I'm walking down St. Mark's, you know, and he goes, yo, you want to try for Marauder? I'm like, yeah. He goes, I'll get you the demo. So, like, three days later, I went and sang the set. We took it from there. From there, and three months later, we get the deal with Century Media. Yeah. You know, and it was history. I never in my life set out to do any of this, and it's all falling into my hands. Like, I never set out to be in a band. I around music and, you know, stuff, but, like, all this just fell in my hands like it was like it was destined to be that.

[Colin]

Yeah. Hello, welcome. It's Hard Lore time. How you doing, Bo?

[Bo]

I'm doing very well, Colin. Who do we have today?

[Colin]

It's a very special day. This is. This could not be more years in the making, some would say. We have the vocalist of a band we talk about every week here. A band we love so much. A band whose first album we love so much, we turned it into an adjective, if you can believe it. This is the master killer of podcast episodes, here to celebrate 30 years of probably our favorite record ever, Marauder vocalist Jorge Rosado. How are you, sir?

[Jorge Rosado]

Pleasure, brother. Pleasure.

[Colin]

What having.

[Bo]

Yeah, we're. We're so excited.

[Jorge Rosado]

Yeah.

[Bo]

Like he said, we've been talking about your band, multiple records, for years now.

[Jorge Rosado]

Yeah.

[Bo]

How was FYA for you yesterday? How'd that feel?

[Jorge Rosado]

It was great, man. I mean, other than the food being a little expensive, and I spent a lot of money yesterday, man.

[Bo]

Sure.

[Jorge Rosado]

Other than that, I mean, everything's great, man. The lineup was amazing.

[Colin]

Insane.

[Jorge Rosado]

The. The energy of the crowd was insane. I always worry about my. My. My own set with the Age and everybody, and we have a new. New guys in the band. We haven't even really rehearsed with them yet. You know, we have Mark Rizzo and. And Eli from Bitter Bitter End and Hard side, and. And so, you know, I mean, And. And he's nervous, as was Mark, stage right there, because he's a big Marauder. He got life pain tattooed on. He's like, oh, my God, I'm playing in the band. That he's also a person that they modeled their whole thing around the band, which is. I'm grateful for. I never knew as. As, you know, as a frontman, you know, I. You know, I have bands that I'm Influenced by. But I never thought I would be on that side of the fence, you know, having kids. Yeah, bro. It's like even young kids.

[Bo]

I'm like, we're telling them we're out here every week.

[Colin]

Yeah, but it's because of the work. The work. The work is all you needed.

[Jorge Rosado]

The longevity and stuff. I mean, we didn't really put out as much that we wanted to, but, I mean, happens. But we're still here, you know, we still have opportunities.

[Colin]

Do you remember when we met over here, the Ruckus?

[Jorge Rosado]

When you was with Ruckus, right? That was on that tour.

[Colin]

Yeah. Do you remember what you used to call me? You had a nickname for me. Think about it. It was good. It was good. It stuck with me for a little bit, but not beyond you. Think about it. Think about little me behind that drum kit. Think about you asking me to play drums. That this is hardcore. This year, one year. But I couldn't afford my plane ticket. Who did you ask? You didn't ask Colin, you asked.

[Jorge Rosado]

McLovin.

[Bo]

Oh, I see it. Yeah, from the Valley.

[Jorge Rosado]

Wow.

[Colin]

So thanks for that. Do you remember on that tour what you told me your favorite movie of all time was with the Warriors? No, Tropic Thunder.

[Jorge Rosado]

Well, after I saw Traffic done that, it was a battle between the Warriors. When it comes to the violence and stuff like, you know, that type of movie, I go with, you know, the wars. When it comes to like, comedy shit like that, Tropic Thunder, man, she was fucking Larry's.

[Bo]

Who's the coolest gang? Who's your favorite gang in the Warriors? Besides the Warriors?

[Jorge Rosado]

I like the Ford and Baldies, man. The Shit, man. And the Lizzies were the.

[Bo]

Yeah, the Lizzies were cool.

[Jorge Rosado]

I would have gone in that room. I wouldn't have ran out. I would have. I would have stood there like, hell yeah, do what you want to do.

[Bo]

Were the Baldies, the. The guys in the bus?

[Jorge Rosado]

Yeah, yeah, that scene was great. On the island, they just. He went. When he gave him the finger and he tried to hit him with the two by four and just fucking great.

[Colin]

This is exactly how he described Tropic Thunders to me. So I'm glad. I'm glad you're as passionate about the Warriors. Let's go back in time here.

[Jorge Rosado]

Okay.

[Colin]

Tell me about Jorge, the young lad before music from. Are you from Brooklyn originally?

[Jorge Rosado]

Born and raised in Brooklyn. There was periods where I was fluctuating back and forth. There was a time in 80s. This is why I really. This is how I got into metal and Rock and anything like that. Because I went to Puerto Rico. I was a break dancer, you know, really break dancing, popping, doing all this shit. And, you know, I went there, I think, in 80. 81. Came back like 83. Okay. And that's where I got into metal. First record some kid gave me, you know, I think we traded something and it was Alice Cooper schools out.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Jorge Rosado]

You know, with the. With them looking like their mobsters. Yeah. Yeah.

[Colin]

So heavy metal was first for you?

[Jorge Rosado]

Yeah, so heavy metal was first. And then I got into the Iron Maiden and Sabbath and so that was, you know. Know, I was doing that for a while, you know.

[Colin]

Sure.

[Jorge Rosado]

And so when I came back to New York, like in 83, I had a neighbor that lived next door with. All the brothers were on the gang. They were hell burners. They were like in this street gang, sort of like a street gang and MC afterwards. But, you know, they've been through a lot of. He was the only dude that I knew that listened to any metal. But he was listening to, like, Merciful Faith, Blood Feast and, you know, a lot of Maiden too, you know, but he. He had more underground stuff than. Than the kids in Puerto Rico. More like the mainstream metal bands. But then that's when I started getting to like, Blood Feasts and bands like that. And even band. A band called Hell Star from back in the days. Run with the Pack. You know that song?

[Colin]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jorge Rosado]

Actually, I don't even know they were from here. They might have been from Colombians or something like that.

[Colin]

So heavy. Heavy, aggressive underground music. We connected with you very early in life.

[Jorge Rosado]

Oh, yeah? When? And then not until I met some skinheads on the train. Well, we were gonna. We almost got into an altercation on the train.

[Bo]

Sure.

[Jorge Rosado]

You know, me and my boy, Long Hair, we were kind of doing like the biker thing, you know, but we like metal, you know, and we went to go see some girls. We went on a train. We seen the pack of skinheads that were looking at us, giving us dirty looks, and we're like. And, you know, we two Puerto Ricans from the hood. We're like these. You know, if they want to come, let them come, you know. So we ended up getting off the train. They understand we're hanging out in this house, and this one girl's like, yeah, I'm waiting for my boyfriend to come. Oh, so later on he comes, no. And he's one of the skinhead dudes on the train. So when he walks in, he looks right at me, and I look right at him, and I Go. And we just start fucking laughing. His name was Richie, Big Richie, Puerto Rican Italian kid. He was a crazy man. And. And I. I still love him to this day, man, because he's. He to me like introduced me to a whole new world, you know. Sure.

[Colin]

He showed you about a ton of.

[Jorge Rosado]

The local and the whole Sunset skinhead crew, you know. And I was hanging out with them for a while, but I never wanted to cut my hair. I didn't want to be a skinhead and doing all that. I was just, you know, they like me because I. I brawled a lot and I dance hard and I had long hair and I was born. But that was like the only long hair they like, you know.

[Colin]

Sure.

[Jorge Rosado]

You know, I mean, not really, but you know, if you was in a band, I got, you know, the regular hardcore dudes had a long head that we. With. But yeah, there was always a confrontation with metal heads.

[Bo]

Sure.

[Jorge Rosado]

You know, and. But we got along great and we started hanging out and they were always threatening to cut my hair or you're gonna fall asleep, we're gonna shave your head. And it never happened. And then one day I just showed up to see me then looking down the block. Who the is this skinhead coming? I'm like, I did it myself. No, you had to see the face. Their face. It's like if you know one of the Super Bowls, I'm sure, you know. And the only that was mad was minus really. He was like, will you cut all that beautiful? What the you doing?

[Colin]

Cuz he never cut it right.

[Jorge Rosado]

But no, he had a shaved head back in days, you know, but he thought the hair was cool. He was trying to grow his hair back, you know, you cut your hair. He was like, no, you stupid. And they're like, you're not gonna get no. No more. Which. Yeah, sure, sure.

[Colin]

So around that time, you. Your. Your full. Your skin. The skin is out, the hair is gone. Are there early bands you're connecting with locally?

[Jorge Rosado]

Well, I started going to the. To the. You know, started hanging out and like bands like Leeway and always hanging outside with. With my gitter. And he's always offering me donuts. I don't know why he. Every time I ran into my getter, mean, I might get a sorry all.

[Colin]

My getter. Friend of the show?

[Bo]

Yeah, friend.

[Jorge Rosado]

My get. Oh my God. I said my getter works with you.

[Colin]

Yeah, he's our guy.

[Jorge Rosado]

He's our buddy. Well, anyway, he always had a box of donuts. He's like, yeah, you want donuts? My getter no, Mike from Leeway. Oh, guitar player Mike. Not my getter Mike. Not that donut. He always had donuts. Always offering me donuts like this with the donuts already, like. But, I mean, we hung out. It was always the hardcore bands, bands like Leeway. We were all friends. Almost everybody from the hardcore scene, we. I almost knew.

[Colin]

Was there a division between the Brooklyn hardcore scene and the. And the city, like, CBs and stuff?

[Jorge Rosado]

Not really.

[Colin]

Okay.

[Jorge Rosado]

Not really. I mean, what about Queens? I mean, we. As Sunset Skins, kind of in a lot of people. We were. We were in trouble.

[Colin]

You were moshing hard. You're moshing.

[Jorge Rosado]

It was just more than just mosh.

[Colin]

Okay.

[Jorge Rosado]

It was just. We were like, you know, we were looking for trouble.

[Colin]

Okay.

[Jorge Rosado]

And. And it was just a different era. There was nothing else to do, you know, got video games. We, we, you know, we had going outside and brawling, you know, brawls and.

[Colin]

You know, like, what's your first band? What's the first band you ever sing for? Do you sing? Have you ever played an instrument or have you only been a frontman?

[Jorge Rosado]

I started with a guitar.

[Colin]

Okay.

[Bo]

Really?

[Jorge Rosado]

Yeah. Somebody brought me that guitar because we weren't going to be able to afford no guitars. I didn't really know much about instruments, but, I mean, I had two friends on my block. They were like the metal heads in my block too, you know. Edwin and Edwin Lamboy and Ralph. Yeah. So they, you know, they always had guitars and stuff and. But somebody bought me a guitar. I can't remember who the. But once I found out, I had to buy strings and amp. I'm like, oh, I got to spend money. Like, oh, hell no. I'm. I'm be a singer. What do singers need? Nothing. I'm like, good. I'm singing.

[Colin]

That was. It was financial decision.

[Jorge Rosado]

I've been playing lately. Like, I've been. I. I had a guitar in there for 20 years. I got it fixed, and I've been trying to play some of the Marauder songs.

[Colin]

You know, they're hard to play. Tough.

[Jorge Rosado]

Yeah, they're tough, man. Yeah. Yeah, they're tough. I'm. I'm struggling like a man. I still, in the beginning of one of the songs, trying to get to the other part. But, you know, once you get that.

[Colin]

And Master Killer, then you'll feel real good.

[Jorge Rosado]

Anthony was cool, man, so. But they had that cool chemistry because they came from two different backgrounds, you know. Anthony was more like a Def Leppard, you know, glam hair guy. Yeah. He liked the, you know, thrash and stuff. Like that.

[Bo]

You hear that in the leads.

[Colin]

Bark of the moon.

[Jorge Rosado]

Yeah.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Jorge Rosado]

And so I was more, you know, death metal guy. Death metal and hardcore, you know, and.

[Colin]

So where do you meet Saab? When do you meet Saab?

[Jorge Rosado]

I met Saab when I was hanging out with the Sunset Skins. And we're like, yo, we're gonna meet. And I met Savvy stand in front of the moors for the first time.

[Bo]

He.

[Jorge Rosado]

I think he was just, like, annoyed at something because we came like, oh. He's like. I'm like, all right. That was quick. You know, but we ended up becoming boys and, you know, you know, very quickly. Yeah, okay. He saw. He. I had loose screws. We all had loose screws. And you're like, yeah, you know, we all fit. Yeah, you know, we all should be hanging together. But, you know, I mean, but, you know, it was because of the. I think because the whole Latino thing, we always kind of look for each other no matter where we go, even here. Like, I've been approached by so many, you know, other people that, you know, Cubans and Colombians, like, oh. But I always try to represent. Represent for all Latinos. But back then in the days, you know, you didn't find too many of us. So we always look for each other. And when we did, we. We stuck together.

[Bo]

Especially in the. The pong hardcore scene.

[Jorge Rosado]

Yeah. You know, well, in the park and in the metal scene, more. More in the pocket, you know, I don't think anybody even gave a. Okay, cool. You know, we had. Because, you know, it was about beating yourself. Nobody really cared, you know, And. And I. I felt like I felt more at home in the hardcore scene than I did in the metal scene. To me, the metal scene was more just entertainment, you know, people watching, people watching, stuff like that. And after the show, there's not really much. You go party. There's that. But there was nothing. But I found more. More than that in har community, you know, and we had like, you know, back in the days, people would do like, little activist things and. And events and stuff in between bands. And, you know, when they would change, they do change over. They would come out, yo, we're having this and protest rally this that we're this for this, or somebody needs help, whatever. But, you know, you don't really see it anymore, you know, I mean, I know it's rough. And especially something like this, you don't really do stuff. I mean, you. Runs on time, you know, over the smaller shows. You don't really see it too much.

[Colin]

It's out there. You just kind of, you got to find it.

[Jorge Rosado]

Yeah, you got to go to the smaller shows for sure. You know, I don't go to any shows, you know, I go.

[Colin]

You play them, you know. So do you see the, like, bands from Brooklyn, like Carnivore, Confusion, Life of Agony, Biohazard, all taken off kind of at the same time and putting Brooklyn on the map a little bit. Does that inspire you or light a fire under your ass to, To.

[Jorge Rosado]

Yeah. I mean, so much came out of Brooklyn in Brooklyn, and there was always. Yeah, I mean, I mean, Carnival to me was the very first metal core band.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Bo]

Like, definitively. Yeah, absolutely.

[Jorge Rosado]

Because, I mean, you know, I can, I kind of feel like Marauder kind of try to pick off where they left off. Not like music wise, you know, but that whole energy, you know, and the whole Brooklyn and putting Brooklyn back on the map, you know. So, I mean, and, and a lot of other grand. I mean, a lot of, I mean, Queens too, man. And there was those bands that had the mixture of Brooklyn and Queens dudes together and there was always, you know, and I mean, back then New York, there was a lot of coming out of New York. And, you know, Long island had a lot of great bands too, in the Bronx. And I mean, there was a lot of coming out of New York. I don't see it coming out of New York like now as much. There's still a lot of bands, but nobody's making as much noise. I don't think the clubs are even opening doors like that, like, to New York anymore.

[Colin]

Like that Long island is popping off, you know, Brooklyn's got stuff.

[Jorge Rosado]

We gotta go to Long island to go to shows, man. It's crazy.

[Colin]

Early moshing. Yeah, this. We've been breaking down the genealogy of the spin kick of the karate Moshe. Tell me through your eyes the origin of the karate mosh.

[Jorge Rosado]

Oh, well, I've had this conversation a lot with a lot of people throughout the years, man. And kicks were always a part of the, the heart of the, you know, throw people through like those. But there was always those skanking circle pin, almost like a hardcore kicking. Like that, that straight edge kick. Boo. You know.

[Bo]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jorge Rosado]

But doing roundhouses, you know, four or five at a time and, you know, and, and doing, and running out and doing little spinny kicks and just spinning sidekicks at people's ribs. Yeah, I, I had, I, I, I, I. Kind of the end of it. I kind of feel like I did a lot of it more than anybody else. Really. Yeah.

[Colin]

Would you say it was you and I Saab.

[Jorge Rosado]

I was gonna. I'm gonna say me Saab. Minus. There was about less than 10 of us, and.

[Colin]

And 30% of them were in Marauder.

[Jorge Rosado]

Yeah, three. Yeah, three of them were Marauder. And yeah. I mean, damn, my instances dance hard, too.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Jorge Rosado]

You know, you still. The karate came from me.

[Colin]

Okay.

[Jorge Rosado]

Yeah. And. And a couple other people were doing it, but they didn't train, but they were just good at throwing kicks. But I was actually training.

[Bo]

You were training in martial arts at the time?

[Jorge Rosado]

Yeah, I was training with Lahan Dabli, this French Muay Thai dude. But. But he wasn't teaching Muay Thai, but we learned a little on the side. Okay. You know, he's trying to teach us more like kickboxing style, you know?

[Bo]

Is that where. Later on, when. When I had seen Marauder, this would be kind of early mid-2000s, where you're shadow boxing and stuff? Is it coming from. From.

[Jorge Rosado]

I do that to warm up, you.

[Bo]

Know, but one of my favorite. I know we're not there yet, but one of my favorite moves of all time is you throwing the mic out to the crowd. Just like it. You sing it and then your shadow boxes. That's one of the coolest things I can, like, conceptualize. Does that come from just training and just.

[Jorge Rosado]

You always into martial arts? Yeah, just training.

[Colin]

Now, are you doing the karate moves and. And leveling up the mosh to defend yourself from the. The big scary skinheads, or is it just style?

[Jorge Rosado]

I just loved it because when I. When I was a kid in Puerto Rico, I boxed.

[Colin]

Okay.

[Jorge Rosado]

And then when I came back to dinner, then I took taekwondo and then instructor robbed everybody left and took all the money. We were waiting for class one day, and just the beginning of the month, too, you know, when everybody pays. Oh, man. Just took off. So I. I found a kickboxing school, and I went there and. But I've always loved it. And I. You know, I. I do stuff on my own. I always. I always watch. I'm. I'm all these fight forums and chats, and I'm always watching all the pros, and I watch all the old guys, and I always watch drills and new methods, and I always try to corporate and add them on, and. And I always try to keep myself loose and limber. I never try to get big because I. I always wanted to be, like, you know, light on my feet and fast. You know, I did the weight training at one point, and I got sluggish, man. I got. I. You Know, I got. I was getting. I got up to £180. I'm 150. Always 150, 155.

[Colin]

So are you just purely calisthenics and.

[Jorge Rosado]

Yeah, I run too much, bro. I just. I do seven miles, I'll run and I don't eat that much and no running. I mean, you have to have a big full consumption. So I love to eat and I'll eat a lot. I want sitting, but I'm not.

[Colin]

But you're burning those calories running.

[Jorge Rosado]

Yeah. You know, and I eat throughout the day, but just. I nitpick at. Yeah, I don't actually sit and have a meal.

[Colin]

Sure.

[Jorge Rosado]

But when I was working as a maintenance man, I'm doing the sanitation work, you know, I'm cleaning a beach, a whole beach by hand with two, three other guys. And when loading all that, by the time 9 o' clock comes, starving. I'm drenching sweat in the summertime, you know, and which was me up too, because that's why I quit my job to do the band. Because physically was me on my baths having all these back problems, you know, in and out of the truck. I fell off the truck a couple times. A couple of ass. Again. The. The back metal door of the truck fell off and fell on my foot. I thought it broke my foot. Oh, it didn't break anything good. It's crazy, bro. I went back the next day, you.

[Colin]

Know, all that moss.

[Jorge Rosado]

Yeah.

[Bo]

So there was. There was. Do you. Was there any specific moment where you remember thinking to yourself, I'm in this pit. I'm going to throw a roundhouse kick?

[Colin]

Remember what band was playing?

[Bo]

Yeah, yeah.

[Colin]

When you threw the first spin kick.

[Jorge Rosado]

I couldn't really tell you. It was probably one of my first times going to CBs, you know, I.

[Colin]

Think, you know, it wouldn't be the Crazy Country Club.

[Jorge Rosado]

Right. Wow. I haven't been there since. Wow.

[Bo]

It's a bank.

[Jorge Rosado]

I live right by there. Yeah. I'm in that neighborhood. I go by it all the time. I. I see.

[Colin]

We stopped there with Tom Sheehan and just talked about.

[Bo]

Just talked about this, actually.

[Jorge Rosado]

Yeah. Well, I saw Marauder at the Crazy Country Club.

[Colin]

Interesting. Tell me about early Marauder before you were in the band.

[Jorge Rosado]

I wasn't really. I was bouncing back and forth a lot. You know, I've always. I'm gonna say I'm more of a. I'm first a street kid before hardcore kid.

[Colin]

Okay.

[Jorge Rosado]

Because even during the hardcore, my. I always went back to the neighborhood.

[Colin]

Sure.

[Jorge Rosado]

You know, And. And My home, My neighbor who was trying to always kick me out. You know, the guys in my block are like, oh, you're doing. Especially when I started doing bands and music like you do music. They didn't even, you know, I'm doing little bands. They think they don't know nothing. They think I'm, you know, doing big. They're like, yo, get out of this neighborhood. Don't come back here. We don't want to know. Like, for some reason, people in my neighborhood never wanted me to be involved in. I was going through moments where I was having a rough time in my neighborhood. I was acting out a lot. I don't have no brothers. I was on my own. And there was an attempt on my life, man. That's why I don't. I don't diss spirituality, because something saved me. And it wasn't anything physical, wasn't anything human. Like, something was coming towards me. Danger was coming to me. Something was letting me know that my legs were giving up. I was. I was walking down the street to the point that I couldn't walk anymore. And I'm like, yo, am I going paralyzed? This is happening in broad daylight. So I'm like, what the fuck? So I'm walking funny. I'm like. I don't know what to do but drop. So I dropped to the floor. That's when the car slowed up and those motherfuckers went, whoa. They took four shots at me, and they just get dropped out in front of everybody in my neighborhood. So my legs came right up. I see all the dudes in my corner. I see one of my friends, homie, New June, but tiniest Puerto Rican, you know, he's like this. Pulls out a gun. He's like, yo, what's going on? I didn't even stop to talk, bro, because I don't even know who the that was.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Jorge Rosado]

And for, like, almost a year, I was like. I would call people in the corner like, yo, yo, meet me at my door and have them walk me to the store.

[Colin]

Stupid kid.

[Jorge Rosado]

To this day, I don't know who did that, who did that. I could speak about that in hocus because they had nothing to do. But before hardcore. But I don't talk about it in my neighborhood. I don't go to bars and talk about. Because be sitting right next to me. Oh, that was you. And I don't even know what I did. We did a lot of fighting, but sure.

[Colin]

And that, you know, that'll do it sometime.

[Bo]

Wow.

[Colin]

But I remember you and I had a Conversation.

[Jorge Rosado]

Maybe I was confused with somebody else.

[Colin]

So you're talking about spirituality in that instance. Years later, you and I would have a conversation about downfall of Christ. And you were explaining the song to me and said, and I quote, and I didn't even believe in God yet, yo. And I think about that all the time. Do you believe in God now, you think?

[Jorge Rosado]

Not what people perceive it to be. I believe it as a form of energy, sure. So if you try to be godly, try to better yourself in all aspects, like, you know, you just prove your. Who you are and all different parts. Your mind, your body, the way you speak, you talk, your knowledge, you know, I mean, a form of that. But I. You know, I've been let down by all these religions lately, man. I don't even know what the fucking think anymore. I feel that if you just. Just be normal, be a human being, you know, the difference between right and wrong, right? You know, you're not hurting, you're not abusing children, you're not killing innocent people. Then you all right? I don't know. Everybody makes these mistakes. What have I fucking been through? It's not nothing new, you know, so try not to get beat up about it. Thinking like, oh, I'm such a piece of. I'm an outcast, right? Look what things are, you know, I shouldn't have never did that in my life. I'm a motherfucker. Like, I've done that a million times. Don't feel bad. Happens. But I never did anything that was dishonorable. I could always hold my head up and be like, you know, never put my hands on children. I never did. And I see a lot of coming out of the New York hardcore scene that have done that and caught Casey. And I'm like, wow. Wow, scumbag.

[Colin]

We never got to meet Saab, really. And so I was wondering if there were any stories that come to mind. So the first sob stories that come to mind that you'd want to share about him, just even to us, you know, we. He's such a mythical figure.

[Bo]

Yeah, mythical is good.

[Jorge Rosado]

Sa was. Sa was Saab. Saab didn't give a fuck about nobody. Oh, all right. I'll tell you what Saab took, man. I yelled at him for this, okay? But it was fun at the same time. So he takes me to Lamours, and I'm with a girl, skinny chick. And I have a book bag with me. And I have like a baby, maybe about six feet of chain. Like, big thick chain in there, wrapped up all I had in that bag, you know, I couldn't wear it and walk around with a big fat chain, you know, But I had a chain in there. So I. I don't know. So me and Saab. Saab takes me to Lamour. Some band called Grim Allegiance. A grim alliance. Okay. They had. They could have been maybe a little. Oh, okay. You know, so Saab went over there, took me over there to confront somebody. Ah.

[Colin]

Did he tell you he was doing that?

[Jorge Rosado]

Not really. Not really, man. And when we got there and I saw the band playing, like, yo, we shouldn't even be here with these. Be like, yo, I gotta talk to somebody. So he went to talk to the singer of that band. There was a problem with him. And his new name was Carmelo. I think his name was Carmelo. Stocky kid, dude. And sounds like there was some words. You know, I'm watching the whole thing next, you know, we're at the ball, and we get. We get surrounded. No. Yeah, we get surrounded. They were like a bunch of metalheads, and overnight it became skinheads. And they. They surrounded us. There's a lot of them big boys. So I'm like, what the. You know, So I. I started going for my chain in the bag. Next, you know, Saab disappears. He left me by myself, surrounded by these dudes. So I'm like. I'm like Roy Rogers. I'm like Roy Rogers with that chain and, you know, trying to create a perimeter. I'm like, like, what. What the. All of a sudden, Saab comes flying because Lamour's had a higher part and. And, you know, it was like a. Nepal is a little bit more. Yo, he jumps from the. With a crate, a milk crate, and catch homie right in the face. Yo. For some reason, I saw it in slow mo. I don't know why. Milk crate right in the face. And now they're. Now. And I'm like, nah, I really gotta like, what's up? So, Esteban, a band called Mr. Pickle.

[Colin]

Ah, wow.

[Jorge Rosado]

Mr. Pickle. Esteban and Joe the Bounce Joe, one of the bouncers from. From that club, Lamar. He was a cool dude. Big Joe Esteban had his car in the back, and we. They took us to the back, and we. We ran out the back, and Esteban brought us. Brought us back to Saab's neighborhood, to Sunset Park. We went and got Saab's brother and went to the park and picked up, like, a whole crewboard Eagle. He came back, like, four Carlos full of people. And we almost jumped Ken Creedy in the front because, like, you know these. He's like, yo, yo, we had bats and everything. We were gonna cause trouble. Yes.

[Colin]

They were out of there.

[Jorge Rosado]

Yeah. So something else happened after that. I think the time that we went with the sunset skins, we went into the Italian neighborhood, like 18th Avenue around there. That's really Brooklyn, right by Lamours. So we went to Kofais and we end up fighting the neighborhood. All Italian dudes. One dude pulled out a police neighborhood. Yeah, man. I remember Karate Chris getting hit. Boom. And we all got separated and I mean, the Italian neighborhood, mob neighborhood. And they were coming out by the tons.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Jorge Rosado]

And we out there, 18 years old, fighting grown ass men. And they hitting us and we. Boom, boom. And I'm like, we had to separate it. And I was a little, I'm like, yo, we got to get the fuck out of here. Group bars are going to take us. Why is he, Come on. End up in the water somewhere?

[Colin]

You know, they have those beautiful Italian leather shoes. They can't get them stained, you know?

[Jorge Rosado]

Yeah. So, yeah, we, you know, those are fun.

[Colin]

Okay, that's great. Thank you for sharing.

[Bo]

Good, good memories.

[Colin]

Saab was Saab.

[Jorge Rosado]

Saab did a lot of crazy, man.

[Colin]

So tell me about hearing the Marauder demo with Minus for the first time. What were your thoughts on just hearing the band as a, As a, as.

[Jorge Rosado]

Actually, I never heard the demo.

[Colin]

Really?

[Bo]

Really.

[Colin]

To this day.

[Jorge Rosado]

Well, no, I know I've heard of them afterwards. Yeah, I, I saw them live before, you know.

[Bo]

Okay.

[Jorge Rosado]

Before the demo. What'd you think? I heard the demo years later when I actually, I joined them after my Agenda. Yeah, it was different. It was a lot slower. It was, it was, it was, they had, you know, it was a, it was, the song seemed totally different. Yeah.

[Colin]

Life is Pain.

[Jorge Rosado]

Yeah. But I mean, they needed to. It was, it was, it was, it was good. I mean, I, I, they started to create a buzz with that and that was good. I mean, I was a fan, you know, we were all fans and they were all brothers and no matter what, we were going to support them, you know? Yeah.

[Colin]

You know, and, and you're doing full contact at this time or shortly after? Because it seems like full contact was before joining Marauder.

[Jorge Rosado]

Yeah. Yeah, you're right. I met the. Okay. So there was, I think they might have been two versions of that.

[Colin]

Okay.

[Jorge Rosado]

Yeah. I think I did one with the, with these two twin brothers from Italy and, and then I did that full contact with. Was it Joe Branson, 40 in that.

[Colin]

Band.

[Jorge Rosado]

Truth, Awful Truth. That was like a thrash band with Joe Branson, 40 that played in Dark side.

[Colin]

Nice.

[Bo]

Okay.

[Jorge Rosado]

And this associate, Dark side. Dissociate. He. And. Yeah, I don't. Damn, That's a hard one, bro.

[Colin]

Full contact was very short, Right?

[Jorge Rosado]

Yeah. But I'm trying to remember, did I play with. Okay, hold on. Oh, you might know. You might. You might be better at this than me. Okay, so wait a minute. When I was. Oh, no, that was before Maraud. No, was it after. It was after the full contact demo came out. After Marauder.

[Colin]

Right. Okay. I. I'm. I would think it would be. I don't know if it was after you. Were you doing both bands at the same time? Yeah, it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. But what. How does it occur that you join Marauder? Yeah, how do you join Marauder?

[Bo]

Because you're assuming they heard a full contact demo.

[Colin]

That. Or. I mean, that's just their friend. Their friend Jorge from around town.

[Jorge Rosado]

Right. Saab had. Yeah, you're right. When I was playing Full Contact, I was the. It was the other version with the. The twin. Saad had saw me at Bond Street Cafe. He's like, yo, you. Whatever. And he was. Oh, you know, I mean, I. He always. He's always dissing everybody else, but he didn't. He goes, y' all kids suck. Whatever. But you were great. All this. Anyway. But anyway, I was with my. A girl back in the days. I'm walking down the street. And then I guess they were having their issues with Marauder, and that's when I ran into Saab. And I haven't seen him in a while because he came out the train station, and I'm walking down St. Mark's you know, and he's like, yo, what's up? And he goes, yo, you still singing? And I'm like, yeah, around. And he goes, yo, you want to try for more? I'm like, yeah. He goes, I'll get you the demo. So, like, three days later, I went and sang the set, you know, and I had, like, 80 of it down, and it worked out great. And it was just. From there on, it was just madness.

[Bo]

So that you knew you had that voice. Like, how did you find that voice?

[Jorge Rosado]

Well, I've always. I was always. I was always singing other people's. I was always saying I was singing bands, man. I would sing a diversity of stuff from, like, Motley Crue to Flotsam and Jetsam and Slayer. And so I would try different types of voices. So I. I kind of trained my voice to go have some range, you Know, Plus, I grew up with R B and hip hop and Latin music, so I'm always singing, you know. So sing was always in my. In my, in my surroundings, you know, There was always music and it was always dance and that kind of atmosphere. I used to be a break dance in the beginning, back in the days. And then I then started rapping a little bit. You know, I was in the whole hip hop shit, and Puerto Rico found a medal and all that. But how did I find Marauder?

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin]

I mean, how does Minus leave and how do you get in?

[Jorge Rosado]

Well, I mean, it was just destiny, bro. I happened to be walking on the street and Saab happened to be coming up, and I hadn't seen him in a couple years, and he was like. That's when he saw me. He was like, yo, are you still singing? I'm like, yeah. He goes. And we took it from there, from there. And three months later, we get the deal with Century Media, you know, and it was history. I mean, I had some. We had some legendary shows and moments, man. I mean, I remember when the first time we played Castle, when Saab attacked Rick on stage and I had to attack both of them, we had a fight in the middle of the show, and the kids in Castle Gym were.

[Colin]

Like, what the fuck is going on during your set?

[Jorge Rosado]

And we went right back to playing. Something happened when Rick Lopez was fucking mad at Saab and Saab was fucking mad at Rick, and Rick's like. And Saab's on the other side, punching. And I'm like, what? And I'm singing, I'm turning around going. And next thing you know, Saab attacks Rick in the middle of the show, and I'm like, motherfuck up, man. Gotta fucking tackle them. And Anthony hides behind the amp. Oh, shit. You know, And Vinnie at that time was like, but we had a great show. We used that energy and fucking took it out on the songs afterwards.

[Colin]

So you said three months later, you're signed to Century Media, and your first order of business in the band basically, is recording Master Killer.

[Jorge Rosado]

Yeah, that's why I was very shy on that record, man. I'm gonna tell you. I, I, I held back on my vocals because if you listen to the Marauder Stigmata 7 inch. Yeah, I'm belting them, you know, and I'm using my range and everything. I kind of felt like, not in a bad way, but I kind of felt like Paris May, you and Vinnie were like, oh. You know, they made me sound like, you know, which is cool. I'm Like, I'm singing, but I'm not really giving my 100% there. And then he, he said something that I kind of got pissed off. Like, like, oh, you know, like you have that accent. I'm like, what accent you talking about? Because, Because Maximus Separator got a really crazy. And the world loves him.

[Colin]

That's right.

[Jorge Rosado]

You know what I'm saying? The you talking about, you know, So I don't know what accent they were trying to kill my New York accent. Because we also, everybody wants black, white or Latino. We all sound like we're Italians.

[Bo]

We talked to, we talked to Paris a couple years ago now, actually.

[Jorge Rosado]

Yeah.

[Bo]

And, and at the end of the interview, we talked about doing Master Killer. What was the story he told us about running?

[Colin]

Told us that you had never run before and just did things just to do them.

[Jorge Rosado]

Come on. I mean, what am I gonna do? Just, just all of a sudden just jump up and grind my feet at somebody's crazy couch? Like, it's like it's, you know, something to do. Come on. I got a little more sense than that because I, I, I box and train and I work for a weed service and I used to live in uptown Manhattan. I used to ride from 95th street, go hang out on the lower side, go right over the Williamsburg Bridge, go to my hand neighborhood, running the whole all day smoke, hang out, go. And then 12 o' clock at night, I'm doing all that journey back. But I had crazy cardio. Yeah, that's why that run was enough. It wasn't that, you know, I, I've never ran before. I was always active. I had crazy cardio. I kickbox, you know. And he said as much too.

[Colin]

He said, like, you had the best cardio he's ever seen.

[Jorge Rosado]

I've always had. I just never really, like, ran. Yeah, I remember grinding my feet in Eddie's gall.

[Colin]

That's, that's what he meant. Like, you know, running for the sake of running you had never done.

[Jorge Rosado]

And then I ran one night when they were recording and I, I went out and I ran. I don't know where the I'm going, so I stopped. I remember seeing like certain stores and it was dark, it was pitch black. So every time a car would drive by, I tried to speed up because they would light up the street. I'm like, oh, shit. It was, I was a little scared, man. I was like running in dark wood. I'm like, what the fuck am I doing, bro? So I run to a spot, I name the stores that I See, and then I come back, right back, and I think his name is Soares. Tom Soares. Yeah. Yeah, that. The engineer. I was like, yeah. I ran into a spot and I saw this store, this store, and this. He goes, oh, that's like six miles, you know? And Paris goes, oh, that's six. It's just six miles. He goes, no, it's like six miles there. And then like, six miles. He ran like, the 10 to 12 miles. I'm like, really? I did that because everybody, like, no, you were gone for a while. I'm like, I don't ran to this spot, to this store. I saw this, this and that, and then I turned it right back around.

[Colin]

Wow.

[Jorge Rosado]

And he was like, yo, that's far. I didn't know I could do that. Yeah, you know. You know, I just. Because I was always on the bike playing handball, you know, my running was just. I never really ran. Like. Like a runner.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Jorge Rosado]

You know, and in school and gym and if we had to do some type of track thing. Yeah, yeah. But never really jogged. Like. Like a marathon.

[Bo]

You were running together and you had, like, Chuck Taylor's on, right. Didn't he say, like, you just threw out and. And you went in front of him and were running backwards talking about the record?

[Jorge Rosado]

Yeah, I still do that to this day. I run backwards. And I. It does great. Because it's like, I do. I started doing like the bear crawls and stuff like that. These gorilla movements for upper body strength and stuff. And when you do these movements, like, especially with, like, the. That crawling, when you do backwards, you work in different muscles. Yeah. I feel. I'm like, oh. So I, you know, so when I'm running, I'm doing the same. And I shallow box when I, When I run. And I had my neighbors one day, it was like 30 degrees outside. I had no shirt on, and I'm running backwards. They're like, is that. Is that Jorge? Like, oh, hell no. You're like, no, this dude's crazy. Like, when I got home, they're like, what the you doing? I'm like, running.

[Colin]

How much of Master Killer is written before you're in the band?

[Jorge Rosado]

All of it.

[Colin]

Okay.

[Jorge Rosado]

And half of the other record.

[Colin]

Right.

[Jorge Rosado]

So, you know. So that's why I wrote only a little bit on the next one. Then after that, I, I, I. Yeah. And so I never really. I mean, I did write, you know, I'm in for my other bands and stuff like that. But I, you know, come to rice. I'm like, put on the spot because I'M not Vinnie, you know.

[Colin]

So Vinnie was the guy in terms of writing.

[Jorge Rosado]

Yeah, Vinnie wrote Vinnie Ro.

[Colin]

And he was the drummer.

[Jorge Rosado]

Yeah, he was the drummer. He wrote a lot of guitar riffs too.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Jorge Rosado]

So he's. Well, Vinnie and Anthony Saab went out to smoke a blunt. It came back and they wrote Master Killer, the song. Yeah. So came back and they already had wrote. They like went out for like 15, 20 minutes and Vinnie and Anthony wrote Master Killer. And, you know, and so I was like, what the. You guys wrote a song like. Yeah, wrote a whole new song. Let's jam and like, whatever, you know.

[Bo]

So at this point, that's how they.

[Jorge Rosado]

Told it to me. I wasn't there for that. That was, you know. Wow.

[Bo]

At this point, you had regrown your as Minus called it beautiful hair.

[Jorge Rosado]

Did I grow my hair back? Yeah.

[Colin]

I mean, you guys were all braids.

[Jorge Rosado]

I did have the hair.

[Bo]

Iconic braid.

[Jorge Rosado]

Yeah. I fluctuated. I shaved my head at one point. I let it grow, then I shaved it again, I let it grow out again. And. Oh, now I just gotta, you know.

[Colin]

Yeah, you got the thing.

[Jorge Rosado]

Yeah.

[Colin]

But those are known as marauder braids. How do you feel about that? The Master Killer demos? Those are legendary. Those, I think are getting officially released this year for like the first time. Tell me about those. Demoing those songs for the first time with your voice on them. How was that, hearing that back?

[Jorge Rosado]

Well, I don't think we did. Did we do the Master Killer demo?

[Colin]

I think there was a master.

[Jorge Rosado]

Yeah, we did. Well, that was, that was the songs that we used for that. Yeah, I don't. Damn. Did we.

[Colin]

There's, there's demos. I think they're officially coming out this year for the 30th anniversary.

[Jorge Rosado]

Really?

[Colin]

Yeah. So that's crazy.

[Jorge Rosado]

Oh, well, I know of the demo we did. Well, no, that wasn't, that was the demo that got turned into a record.

[Colin]

Yeah, we'll talk about that in a second.

[Jorge Rosado]

Yeah, I'm not going to jump it.

[Colin]

Are you in touch with Vinnie or Anthony or any of the guys from that era today?

[Jorge Rosado]

It's really sad that this, this part right here, I got issues with the whole Vinnie thing. I had a. I had a moment where I had to leave the band because I couldn't play of a certain thing. People have certain vices that I couldn't be around that. I, I, I. We used to joke about it on about him with that. But I witnessed something on tour that pushed me over the edge.

[Colin]

Okay.

[Jorge Rosado]

And I mean, if it wasn't For Saab, it would have got ugly. And then I had to do these shows and not be able to make eye contact with somebody, a member of my band, you know. So I ended up leaving, you know, and I did the whole. Eddie came in and all that. Then when he left the band, I came back. Okay, but Anthony. Anthony's out here somewhere. Anthony's been. I don't know if I should.

[Bo]

It's okay.

[Colin]

That's okay.

[Jorge Rosado]

I mean, I don't know if I should put his in, you know, I've been trying to find him. Okay.

[Bo]

Okay.

[Jorge Rosado]

Last I heard in 2017, somebody said that he was living, like, out of a box car of a box out here. He's out here in the street somewhere.

[Bo]

Okay.

[Jorge Rosado]

He's been out here for a while. You know, the drugs and stuff, and he always had some little issues. You always had problems, you know, I've always tried to help him. You know, he was always kind of nervous, and we used to call him Tony Jitters. He used to get mad, like, because he was always jittery. But I mean, you know, he went downhill and he never was able to come back up, you know, And. And just like a couple months ago, I. I spoke to his brother and she was like, yo, this. You know, I kind of wanted to find him and try to get him out of streets and let his family, you know, get him to his family so they can help him. But I don't even know if the family is going to be able to deal with it because it's just like, it was like, he needs somebody with him all the time. He can't be trusted, you know, and. And. But not hurt. He's got like, no use of an arm or something like that. So I'm like, damn, let's. Let's. Let's kind of help him. So I kind of wanted to, like, I've been struggling with this. I didn't know if I wanted to go out and publicly and. And put his dirt out there. But I mean, the needs help and he is part of this band, you know?

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Jorge Rosado]

And I feel bad for him, bro. Yeah, it sucks, man. I don't. I, you know, I feel. I feel bad for people like that, man. You know, I mean, we all been through it, but some never got out of there, you know what I'm saying? So it's like. Sucks, man. I wish the best for him, bro. Seriously.

[Colin]

Pardon this interruption. We hate to keep you from this amazing episode with. We can only describe him as the president of Hard Lore. Basically, the reason for the season. Jorge from Marauder. Two very important things brought you this episode. You know what I hate, Bo?

[Bo]

What's that, Colin?

[Colin]

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[Bo]

If only there was some kind of way or code or something that would get you some money off of that.

[Colin]

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[Bo]

Right now he legitimately has shirts that I have never seen before. Go on the Instagram, take a look. You're gonna be shocked at what he has. Has had what he currently has.

[Colin]

So please save me from getting more shirts and get. Get them, please. And also sell them your stuff so that maybe I can get those instead. Hopefully not, though.

[Bo]

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[Colin]

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[Colin]

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[Colin]

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[Bo]

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[Colin]

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[Jorge Rosado]

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[Bo]

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[Bo]

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[Colin]

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[Jorge Rosado]

What about it?

[Colin]

I just want to know your thoughts on it.

[Jorge Rosado]

You hear this?

[Colin]

I, I want to know Jorge's mind. So you're walking into this record. It's already written, it's done. You hear these, you hear these songs track by track. Are you in thinking like, this is unbelievable.

[Jorge Rosado]

Well, the. What's going on with the world today? Yeah, I've been listening to a lot of the lyrics and I'm like, yo, we like a little bit ahead of the time. What the is going on? Yeah, because I'm like, holy. You know, so every now and then I'm like, yo, I'll put a marauder song on my page. Like this, this is for what's going on today. Men's and you know, and beseech the masses and stuff like that. And you know, and I mean, we, we've always had these issues in the world. I think that we're getting into a crucial point right now. But I mean, they're on point, these songs. I mean, they weren't written by me.

[Colin]

But, but as the guy who's had to sing them for.

[Jorge Rosado]

Yeah, quite a while, I really, I, I, I, I believe in them. I believe in them. They're, they're, they're realistic songs and there's. They're not no fantasy, you know. You know, I mean, they're scary issues, man, because they're about life, man. We're not out here singing fantasy songs about Satan and all the. Which I love too. Like, you know, I love my black metal, death metal too, you know. You know, but, but we like, you know, that's like some, this is some voodoo songs. Like, you know, like, what the man. I'm listening to a few of the songs lately and I'm like, God damn, bro. The man.

[Colin]

Do you remember. So Paris's contributions. Do you remember Anything that he contributed that changed the songs overall? I don't know specifically.

[Jorge Rosado]

I don't really see. I. I could see him helping Anthony. I. I remember with him out with. As far as the songs.

[Colin]

I mean, the demos existed.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Jorge Rosado]

I mean, the songs didn't. Didn't really change when they're pretty much the way we went in there with them. There were some things that needed to. That were, like, smarter things to do that he did help out. I mean, he's. He is a good guitar dude. Yeah. And he knows the. And I did. I think he did help Anthony a lot with. With the solos, because Anthony wanted to do a couple little weird things. And, you know, I think he said.

[Colin]

There'S one part that he played some.

[Bo]

Some. I don't remember which, though, but I know he said.

[Jorge Rosado]

I think he might have. Yeah, he. Yeah, there was something. You know, I remember there was something going on in the studio that he might have had to pick up the guitar.

[Colin]

It was the downfall of Christ. The long. Yeah, yeah, long one that's like a minute long that fades out and back.

[Bo]

And then back in.

[Colin]

I think.

[Jorge Rosado]

So.

[Bo]

Yeah, I know he helped with setting up the guitars.

[Colin]

C strings.

[Bo]

C sharp. Standard C sharp.

[Colin]

Like Carnival, you know.

[Jorge Rosado]

I mean, we weren't a very easy band to work with. You know, I was probably the easiest one to work with, you know, but. And. And Vinnie, too. But, you know, Anthony had some issues. I remember him spazzing out a little bit over, like.

[Bo]

What, the Tony Jitters?

[Jorge Rosado]

Yeah, Tony Jitters. And he's getting mad. Why you call me Tony Jitters? Right there.

[Colin]

I'm like, wild, jittering. Yeah. Do you remember your first feeling, the first thought you had hearing the whole record back for the first time?

[Jorge Rosado]

Yeah, you know, I did remember when I. When. After the. You know, when we recorded the songs and we heard them, like, not. They weren't really mixed yet. I was. I was a little bit like, damn, man. You know, Like, I never. I never in my life set out to do any of this. And it's all falling into my hands. Like, I never set out to be in a band. I Around music and, you know, stuff. But, like, all this just fell in my hands. Like everything just fell into my hands. It was like almost. It was like it was destined to be that.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Jorge Rosado]

Like, I didn't really. I have a very strong spirituality that I've had these little confrontations with voodoo people that they always try to bring me in. You know, one time in the street, lady, mom saw me. She told my mom that's your son. She felt me. She, like, kind of walked, and she, like, stopped and started looking around. And she's like, you know, she's like. And that was the first time I seen, like, a real ifa, Like a Santeria lady. Big glasses and Spanish lady, a lot of beads and stuff. And she was like, oh. She said something that I was. I had. She had. She said, oh, he's powerful. So then when I. You know, the Rumblers, My boy Ralph, I think might be the main guy now in the Rumblers. His cousin is a big santera priest. And I went to her place, and she was inside giving a reading. She didn't know I was outside. And he went inside. I saw she had, like, a. A door that splits in half. You know, the top over there. I seen her talking. He comes out and he goes, yo, she asked me if you were here, because she. She knew that I wanted to visit her, right? And. And he's like, yeah, he's outside. She goes, yo, I felt him. So after she gave me my reading, she wanted me to be a part of her. Her thing. She goes, joe, you had that. We need people like you.

[Colin]

Wow.

[Jorge Rosado]

But to me at that age, to learn to be involved in Santeria, you're about like, 350s people. You gotta learn and stuff, bro. I struggle with Marauder lyrics, you know. Yesterday I lost a whole verse. You know, like, what the. What was that word again? Like, you know. But, yeah, I just. I. I couldn't commit like that. But I still practice. Like, I just. I. I just lost two of my bracelets. I don't know. If you see me, I will have these two bracelets. One has seven colors, and one has red and white. You know, one's a seven African colors. Seven powers. And one's ran away. That's chango.

[Bo]

Do you have an altar at home?

[Jorge Rosado]

A small one? Yeah, small one. But I haven't been doing. I haven't been doing the right thing. I think maybe that's why they broke off. Well, actually, my dog was chewing on my.

[Colin]

That'll do it.

[Jorge Rosado]

One.

[Bo]

That'll do it.

[Jorge Rosado]

He chewed on one. He. Like the neighbor one just broke.

[Bo]

If you don't mind me asking, is that more of a neighborhood thing or is. Because I know that. That it's a Cuban thing. I didn't know that was a Puerto Rican thing.

[Jorge Rosado]

Oh, no, Santeria. It's a Caribbean thing, you know, Santo Domingo, Haiti. Cuba, you know, it's. You know, it's. It's. It's strong. In Haiti, they don't around. They got zombies over there. They got people that apparently they like in transes and they got doing labor. If you look it up, there's documented stuff on that, you know, and they sell. There's a. They sell like, a thing over there that people that they could like, resurrect. Not resurrect. Control you, but, like, is. I think it's like, make you seem like you were dead, like.

[Bo]

And.

[Jorge Rosado]

But you're like. It's a worry. You gotta look it up. Voodoo that. You might even find it in some movies. I think he might have did something like that in the Believers.

[Bo]

Okay.

[Jorge Rosado]

With Martin Sheen, right? Oh, is the father of the.

[Bo]

Yeah, Martin Sheen.

[Jorge Rosado]

Sheen, right. Yeah. I think it was him in that movie. They. That might. That was the only time I saw a movie about Santa.

[Bo]

Remember Devil's Advocate with Al Pacino? There was a guy and. I know it was a thing. It was a guy from New York who had, like, a goat's head with the tongue.

[Jorge Rosado]

Yes.

[Bo]

Remember that?

[Jorge Rosado]

Yes, yes. That's Santa. Yeah.

[Bo]

That was based on a real case.

[Jorge Rosado]

But Santaria is not really a religion or anything. And you. And it's not really. I mean, they have a different versions of it, you know, the Piritita, which is not really that hardcore. Then they have the Palos, the Paleros, that they. They controlling spirits, like, they. They get them to do, you know, so it gets spooky at times.

[Colin]

Whose idea was it to change Life is pain. To life is pain?

[Jorge Rosado]

Oh, I don't know.

[Colin]

Was that you or Paris?

[Bo]

Yeah. It had to be one of. Or Vinny.

[Jorge Rosado]

I guess I couldn't tell you that. That's fucking hard.

[Bo]

It just fit better.

[Jorge Rosado]

It just. Yeah, yeah.

[Colin]

It was a syllable missing, you know, maybe two.

[Jorge Rosado]

It might have just been. I just floated.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Jorge Rosado]

Okay. Yeah.

[Colin]

Do you ever still change the lyrics of your Mirror shows Black to your mother? Smith's track.

[Jorge Rosado]

I did it yesterday. You did it once.

[Colin]

Okay.

[Jorge Rosado]

Just once. I didn't do it the whole time.

[Colin]

It hits, man.

[Bo]

I know. We already talked about it. I know, and I apologize. But I want you to know that the. The secondary breakdown in time ends, which I know we already talked about, where you. You hit the.

[Jorge Rosado]

Yeah.

[Bo]

Is one of my most favorite heavy moments in music, period.

[Jorge Rosado]

Thank you, Appreciate.

[Bo]

Was that. Was that suggested? Where did you just say fuck it? I'm gonna try something. You remember anything about that?

[Colin]

I don't know.

[Jorge Rosado]

I think I just. I think I was just doing it.

[Bo]

She felt it.

[Colin]

Well, the album starts with an iconic. Yeah.

[Jorge Rosado]

Yeah.

[Bo]

Oh, True.

[Colin]

Whose note was. Yeah. Where did.

[Jorge Rosado]

Yeah.

[Colin]

Come from? Jorge. Who got you into.

[Jorge Rosado]

Yeah, from. For the Metallica guy, the singer.

[Colin]

You're done. Yeah. Yeah.

[Jorge Rosado]

And you're perfect. I don't know, bro. It's just. It was just letting it flow. Yeah.

[Colin]

Did you feel like you made a timeless classic album?

[Jorge Rosado]

Not to, like, halfway down the Marauder path.

[Colin]

Okay. Okay.

[Jorge Rosado]

Not until, like. Like after, like, 20 years. Oh, wow.

[Bo]

Okay.

[Jorge Rosado]

I. I didn't really. You know, and then having different people play in the band, and I never even thought the Marauder music was tough at all. And. And my guitar, like, yo, it's not easy, bro.

[Colin]

It's not easy.

[Jorge Rosado]

And he goes, you know, And a.

[Colin]

Lot of them have played it wrong.

[Jorge Rosado]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Colin]

I'll be watching. I'll be like, he didn't do that.

[Jorge Rosado]

Yeah. Played them all wrong.

[Bo]

The triplets don't follow.

[Colin]

Christ.

[Bo]

That'S long. It's a long time.

[Jorge Rosado]

Go easy.

[Colin]

They're hard songs.

[Jorge Rosado]

I don't play, so I'm like, you know, so now I'm, like, learning the beginning of life is pain. I'm struggling like a motherfucker.

[Colin]

Just that.

[Jorge Rosado]

Yeah.

[Colin]

Do you. Do you recall the reaction to the. The album at the time from your peers or just from fans? What was that, 94, 96.

[Bo]

6.

[Colin]

30 years.

[Bo]

Right?

[Jorge Rosado]

The reaction. Yeah.

[Colin]

How did people react to it? It doesn't. It's not quite metal.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Jorge Rosado]

I mean, the reaction. I. I actually, you know, it was great. I. You know, I. It was not what I expected, too. I. I didn't. You know, I mean. You know, I mean, I. I never really thought highly of myself. Anything. I did, you know, and I just thought you. You know, I mean, I saw so many. I have so many friends in bands, and they will put out demos and records. Nobody, you know. Sure. Yeah.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Jorge Rosado]

You know, I kind of. I guess I still had that hardcore attitude, outlook on things. Well, we just do it for the. The glory type of thing or just for fun or whatever. Shits and giggles, you know, whatever the. But it became a lot more than that. And I didn't realize that until 20 years later, like, in my career, it really took a while for it to hit me. And I was like, wow. You know, I'm like, you know, I.

[Colin]

Mean, these 10 songs that were written before you joined the band would go on to define your life as an artist.

[Jorge Rosado]

Yeah. You know, and I owe it to SOB man, you know? Okay. Because if he didn't stop me that day, he could have just said, yo, what up? He didn't have to say anything about the band.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Jorge Rosado]

He could have gone with somebody else, you know, but everything happens for a reason, bro. Yeah. And I really believe that I heard.

[Bo]

A story, I don't remember who told me this, that after Eddie did the demo. When, When. After you'd left the band briefly and Eddie Leeway did the, did his version, his demo, that you would listen to it and you were, like, psyched on it.

[Jorge Rosado]

Yeah.

[Bo]

You thought it was cool.

[Jorge Rosado]

Yeah, man. I went to that show and everything. I was going crazy.

[Colin]

Let's get there. So Five Deadly Venoms, the, the recording that we hear today was meant to be pre production. Is that true? Those were demos?

[Jorge Rosado]

Well, we thought it was meant to be pre productions, you know, and what happened? And that's, that's the way it was getting talked, you know, I don't know. I think, I think, you know, I think Anthony might have pissed off Century Media to the point, you know, I mean, things weren't right, but that wasn't the way to go about him. And at one point I told Anthony, yo, stop harassing them, bro. Let's do it the right way, you know, but stop calling them up. And like, I know he was, Anthony was causing. He was, he was just Anthony, you know? Okay. And I kind of felt like Mother did that to, they did that to, to get back at us because they had to just put it out.

[Colin]

What did they.

[Jorge Rosado]

So, so even your misunderstanding, I mean, nothing was really clear, you know, so, you know, I mean, so you go.

[Colin]

Into this session as a band to, to pre produce these songs? Yeah, they do this full session. Do you record vocals before leaving the band?

[Jorge Rosado]

Before what?

[Colin]

Before leaving the band?

[Jorge Rosado]

The band, yeah.

[Colin]

Because the Leeway demo exists because those songs were abandoned at one point, and we're going to be taken to be this new band. The Brooklyn Queens expression.

[Bo]

Right.

[Jorge Rosado]

The bqe. Oh, man.

[Colin]

So did you record vocals with the intention of them being pre production, or did you record vocals once you came back to the band?

[Bo]

Right.

[Jorge Rosado]

To put it out? Remember if.

[Colin]

Because they sound, they sound great.

[Bo]

They sound like a final.

[Colin]

Yeah, you're doing, I mean, the, the, like the Beautiful melodies and Find My Way. That was a demo. Okay.

[Bo]

Wow.

[Colin]

You did good.

[Jorge Rosado]

But I wasn't, you know, I sang that very unconfident.

[Bo]

Really?

[Jorge Rosado]

Yeah, I, I, I didn't, I wasn't relaxed when I sang it. I wasn't sure and I didn't, I don't feel like I, I worked on it enough.

[Colin]

Okay.

[Bo]

But either way, you're thinking this is a Demo. It's good enough.

[Jorge Rosado]

Yeah. You know, we'll come back. Exactly. So I figured, you know, by the time it did a recording, we'd have it a little bit better, you know, just for them to. More reference, you know, the demo.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Jorge Rosado]

And I didn't happen that way, but, I mean, I sing it better now than I. You know.

[Bo]

I'm very glad you played it, you know.

[Colin]

That was awesome.

[Bo]

I've never seen.

[Jorge Rosado]

It was the worst part. The singing part was the. Probably the worst. I sang it because I was screaming all the whole night. By the time I got up there, I lost my singing part voice. I was like, man, struggling, but whatever.

[Bo]

See Marauder a few times. I've never seen you play that song. So that was. I was very happy.

[Colin]

So you got this, this pre production that turns into Five Deadly Venoms. Why. Why do you leave the band before it comes out? Because you joined el Nino in 1998.

[Jorge Rosado]

Because that had the. The. The. The. The drummer situation. That. Because of that. That situation. I don't even want to.

[Colin]

But then pokies.

[Jorge Rosado]

Because it's like, sure, okay, yeah, we got it. And I'm doing him a favor by.

[Colin]

But then Poke plays on Five Deadly Venoms, Right?

[Jorge Rosado]

Did Pokey play off?

[Colin]

I don't know. You tell me.

[Jorge Rosado]

Yes. Okay. He did. He did. He did play.

[Colin]

So then you still feel the need to leave just because it just doesn't feel right anymore?

[Jorge Rosado]

No.

[Colin]

Or is it that El Nino. You wanted to do this El Nino thing.

[Jorge Rosado]

So wait, did I come back? I think so. Yeah.

[Colin]

Okay.

[Jorge Rosado]

Yeah, that was the 99 record. Yes. Yes. Okay. That was 99.

[Colin]

So. But it's recorded long before 99, and you join El Nino in 98. So how does that timeline work?

[Jorge Rosado]

I don't remember how that happened.

[Colin]

Because then, because they think you're out, they're like, okay, well, we got to get rid of his vocals. And this is a new band.

[Jorge Rosado]

Yeah.

[Colin]

Which is why the Eddie demo exists.

[Jorge Rosado]

Yeah.

[Colin]

So I'm. I'm.

[Jorge Rosado]

Oh, yeah, it was. It was after the recording. Yeah, it was after the recording, and it was that little incident that, you know, and then I just. I. I just couldn't. I just couldn't hang around with that, you know? And then, you know, Dave Chavario knew Dave Chavari, and we started doing the El Nino thing. I mean, Mark Rizzo was in that. In the beginning. Mark Rizzo was, you know, he played.

[Colin]

Guitar for you last night. Yeah, he killed it.

[Jorge Rosado]

Yeah. I love how he shakes his head, dude. He.

[Colin]

I don't know, no disrespect to any of the other guys. That was the. Every solo was there. Great job in there. Every solo was like, album quality, which was.

[Jorge Rosado]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, you. Every time you speak to Mark, what is he doing?

[Colin]

Shredding? Is he. Is he warming up his scale?

[Jorge Rosado]

I talked to him on the phone. I hear. Are you playing and talking at the same.

[Colin]

Yeah, I'm like, dude, so you liked the Eddie version of the. The Five Deadly Venom song?

[Jorge Rosado]

Yeah, they were great.

[Colin]

Wow.

[Jorge Rosado]

Yeah. Eddie's great, man. No matter what Eddie does, it was always great, man. I mean, my favorite Leeway record is Open Mouth Kiss. Respect is the one that everybody was like. And I just saw them mature. I saw them doing something different. And Eddie's being. That's one thing, and transitioning into something else had a little bit more soul and feel. I'm like, yo, this is great. This is right up the alley. I didn't see anything going off about that. Yeah. I'm like, they're growing up. You know, after a while playing music, you don't. You're not just like a hawk hook. You become a musician, bro. Yeah. And you have passion, love, all this. You might want to try this out, man. You know? So I. I. That open mouth kiss, I thought was great, and I thought I didn't get the respect that it should have gotten, that it should have gotten, you know, And I'm like. But I thought it was a great record, man. And it's a hard record to hear. After Eddie passed, you know, and after Saab passed, I was listening to that album, and I couldn't sit through it. Yeah, it was rough. His lyrics, and I could hear the pain. Yeah.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Jorge Rosado]

Then we lost Puerto Rican Mike. You know, it's like, what the. You know, it's like, what's left? It's not really left in New York anymore, you know.

[Colin]

But the art that you guys make and you leave for us to discover keeps. It, keeps your memories.

[Jorge Rosado]

Well, yeah. That's why, you know, Saab told me years before anything he was. It was weird that he said it like that, too, because no matter what happens, he said, no matter what happens? Like, what do you mean, no matter what happened? You know, he goes, no matter what happens, you got to keep Marauder going. It's like a gang. We got to keep the gang going. I'm like, all right. I don't know what the fuck you mean by no matter what happens. And then, you know. Yeah.

[Bo]

Happens, you know, Marauder toured Europe at least one time with Kickback.

[Jorge Rosado]

Oh, yeah, my brother.

[Bo]

You have any fond memories from those tours? Because one of my favorite little clips of all time is Steven joining is Steven getting on stage and doing the end of Mass the Killer. And then sob stage dives and then. You're skanking.

[Jorge Rosado]

Well, you know what? The dude from a regulator, huh? He was sad. Regulate Spanish kid.

[Bo]

Yeah, yeah. Sebastian, he was like.

[Jorge Rosado]

Showed me that video today. He goes, yo, this is like the. He was just going off on that.

[Bo]

It's one of the coolest things.

[Jorge Rosado]

I'm like, I don't even know you're talking about. Then he showed it to me. I'm like, oh, I remember that show. Like, I was pretty drunk on that stage, man. We weren't supposed to headline that show.

[Colin]

Who was?

[Jorge Rosado]

Murphy's Law.

[Bo]

Oh, wow.

[Jorge Rosado]

And I was drinking and I figured out we're gonna go on soon, so I'm not gonna get too plastic, you know? No, we ended up going on last and I was drunk up there, bro, but it was the best show we.

[Colin]

Had made for a great video.

[Jorge Rosado]

Yeah.

[Bo]

One of the coolest things I've ever seen.

[Colin]

Any other fond tour memories from early Marauder or whatsab? Like Master Killer Europe tour? What's that like?

[Jorge Rosado]

Well, I mean, the. The first tour with. I mean, bro, we first. We were like rock stars on the very first tour. I mean, we played with this band called the Birds. Uncles. They're not a metal band, anything like a German rock and roll band. Okay. They have their issues, you know, they have, though. They're a war with another band called Toten Hose them. That punk band. You know, ones like, you know, claiming to be the PC one. The other one that's. They say the right wing one, but I mean, they had the. I don't know much about them guys, you know, they're. They have a band. I know that they had issues with the singer, because the singer, you know, you see it, you walk. And they're not trying to promote that imagery. They don't want that imagery in. I mean, listen, bro, I don't blame people for being products of their environment, bro. And if that was what's going on back then in those days in the streets and you were street kids. And that's what I mean. We were no better, you know, just because we were black and Latino, we weren't Nazis, but we weren't letting white people live in peace in the neighborhood like that, you know, that was really rough. You know, if you were driving by, got lost in the neighborhood, it could have been Bad, you know, we could have made life hell. But if you were white and you lived in the neighborhood, you were one of us, you was treated no different. And you was getting no privilege, nothing. And you were getting treated just like everybody else in the hood. You were just seeing like anybody else, you know, you're not financial bracket, range. You ruined the bus, bro. You. You.

[Colin]

When. When did you audition for Civil Turo?

[Jorge Rosado]

That was in.

[Colin]

Wow, 97, 98ish or something. 99. Whenever Max left.

[Bo]

Whenever Max left?

[Jorge Rosado]

Yeah, yeah, it was 99. It was definitely 99. That was weird because I knew nothing of that. I was.

[Colin]

But you liked them, right?

[Jorge Rosado]

Yeah, yeah, I was a big fan of them and stuff like that. And they were doing their whole MTV thing and. But back then I was doing my, you know, with my. With this girl and doing the kickboxing thing and the bike messenger. Well, not the bike, Mel. Riding bike weed, but delivering weed. Whatever. But I would go to places and I would. I wasn't really hanging out much, but I always made appearances at clubs, at shows, and people were yelling stuff at me about Sepatura, like, oh, I was a Victor. I'm like, you. You mean I'm in Marauder, you know, I was doing El Nino at that time, you know, And. And yeah, I mean, people coming up to me saying, yo, I'm like, what the are you talking about? Yeah, so eventually it got. It got back to the dudes in Sephora and they might even said something in Brazil to them. So they contact Borvoy. You remember Borvoi? Social media used to be an A R guy for Century. He called me and put me on a three way with Andreas now. I mean, I was a fan of Sepultura before they were even really famous.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Jorge Rosado]

And nobody knew who they were over here. So like a couple years later, people, you know, we dropping the name Nobody who knew where they were. And I knew this girl who brought them for the first time here, and I met them for the first time, you know, when they came. You know when. When they came. And it was. It was David Cutler, my boy. They put me, Me and his kid Davion on all their shows. I even saved Max at a separator and merciful face show and Roseland, I think they played in Manhattan. Yeah. Because, yo, Max is drunk as he's walking through the car, bumping into. But then he bumps into my whole skinhead crew, sunset skins. And why do you do that for? My crew was rough, man. It was rough. If you was a metalhead and you know, and the only thing that saved Max, I said, yo, he's Brazilian, bro, he's Latino. And they're like, oh, where? I'm like, yeah, he sings in that band. They're like, oh, okay. Cause he bumped into one of the twins and they turned on. What the. You know, and then I saw all the rest of the dudes get up like, you know, oh, they all look like a bunch of me cats, you know, in some danger. They all start looking in one direction. And I was like, yo, hold up. I was like, yo, chill, chill. Like, yo, he's Latino, bro. He's like, all right. They gave him a pass. And you know, little did he know, he kept on running to the club all drunk and obligerent, like making a mess and fool himself. I mean, whatever. He was enjoying himself. But.

[Bo]

So they got you on the three way call and invited you to try out?

[Jorge Rosado]

They invited. Well, I. He told me he didn't remember me. Like, yeah, I barely. I'm like, oh, damn. The first you met when you come. I was like, skin that. Do you remember? Anyway, so yeah, I flew out there. I did the 10 days. Things were going actually really well. Things are going really well. I thought, I thought, I thought I had it in the bag, you know, people showing up, the two or three rehearsals and more people there. I wrote lyrics to that whole record. Whatever the. And. And things are going well and I'm hanging out with Max and the guys and me talking. They're saying, you get into a conversation and he says, you know, you sound. No, not Max, sorry, Igor. What's his name, the guitar? Andreas. Yeah, sorry folks. Andres. Andreas goes, you know, you sound like Phil. I'm like, Phil. He goes, yeah, Phil and Samo. I'm like, bro, we don't really sound like each other. I mean, you know, and I've said, if anybody sounds like anybody, he sounds like me. I don't sound like him. He's. He's in my house.

[Colin]

That's right.

[Jorge Rosado]

I got. I was born here. I. I'm not the visitor coming into here, you know, I didn't discover that I was born in this music, you know what I'm saying? Like, I came up from the hardcore scene into this not. You know what I'm saying? Like, I wasn't a hair metal guy, you know, and I wasn't a, you know, a techno or a new wave guy. And Scott, you know, I came from that, so. And then I've heard a lot of rumors about him being a little like obnoxious. And this, that. And. And, you know, I didn't want to say much, but I just basically said. I said, yo, he sounds like. If anybody sounds like anybody sounds like me. This is my scene. And. And I, you know, and I heard about how he is and like, I'm like, if you ever disrespect me, I said, I said, I don't give a how big he is. I check him. I gotta check him. You know, man gonna disrespect another man. And if you consider yourself a man, you got nobody disrespect you. Especially got some music like, Believe, man, we aren't even listening. Just some street. I would have been stabbed. You, you know. But, but, no, but all I said was, you know, if he ever disrespect me, because I've heard, you know, I'd check him the next day. They were like, you know what we're looking for. You almost cried in his face. Like, I felt.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Jorge Rosado]

I couldn't even deal with it that night.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Jorge Rosado]

Like, I. I had to stay in this lady's house that they knew. And I was just like. I didn't know what to do with myself. Like, I felt like I up and I didn't do anything wrong.

[Bo]

Right.

[Jorge Rosado]

And.

[Colin]

And have you ever faced rejection like that artistically, ever?

[Jorge Rosado]

Artistically? No.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Jorge Rosado]

No. Really? I've always been a pretty artistic person with drawing and art and stuff. And it's always one way with me. Like, I never with. Even when I was a kid and when I went to Puerto Rico for the first time and I knew graffiti and break dancing, I taught them break dance. I didn't want nothing from them. I taught them. And then I would. People make trucker hats with graffiti on it. I was doing that in 80, 81. I was doing little graffiti pieces. There used to be a cartoon called the Snorks, you know, the little tubes. And I used to draw, snort characters like graffiti. Snort characters and make truck hats with graffiti for kids and just give them away. I buy all these pens and stuff, you know, make my father buy me. And I was never really. I never really wanted anything for my artistic ability. I just wanted to always make people happy and like, you like it, you know, if you don't got nothing. I got a dollar, and it's the only dollar I got. But you ain't got. I give you my dollar. Yeah, you ain't got nothing. It take it, you know, I get another one, right?

[Colin]

You know, but this is the first time.

[Jorge Rosado]

But this is like the first time I Mean, I'm being rejected by girls, nothing, you know, like, ah, you know, I mean, but that's over with. We got two options, you know. Well, we could. We got Christina Palmetto, but that was the first time, you know, and it really me up came back to New York and I struggled with it. That's where all my. My downfall came from. You know, the stuff that I used to deal that, you know, that I sat home doing. I was miserable, depressed. I thought that that was my only opportunity in life to become somebody. And I ruined it. And I don't even know what I did.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Jorge Rosado]

And Louis, sick of it all. Lou called me up one time, remember telling me that, yo, I know the real reason why they. Why they didn't pick you. Because I know they told you you weren't looking for. But it was because the whole film feeling. So I'm no thing. I'm like, I mean, really. And like, I mean, did they ever really play with Pantera after that? I never saw them play over pants ever again. Like, they didn't do anything. They went in cross path and I didn't do anything that. I mean, why would you. Why would I. It's like they kind of. It's almost like they're trying to unmask away my. My masculinity. Like, if a man disrespects you, I gotta let him know, you know, like, it's. It's nothing. It's nothing abnormal about that. But can you see, I'm not saying that I'm going to him beat him up. I'm just letting them know, say, yo, bro, you're not going to. Because in order to stop that said, you got to nip that right in the butt.

[Bo]

Sure. So you were saying like, oh, Phil, I don't really sound like him, but I've heard he's annoying. If he ever. That was ever an issue with me though, I would let him know. Yeah, that's what you're saying.

[Jorge Rosado]

Yes. I wasn't really.

[Colin]

But do you can do you look back and see Andreas maybe just being like, oh, you sound. Do you think he meant it in a derogatory way?

[Jorge Rosado]

No, no, no. I think he was just trying to be cool. You know, they nice guys, man, and. But I think my personality was too much for them and I was calm there and I didn't do anything. I just hung out, just sat in the cut, you know, laid back. I mean, they didn't even. They didn't see me in my. In, in my wildness at all, you know, so I don't know why they thought that was a threat to them. And I mean, you would want somebody like with my energy and up front, you know. You know, I thought Derek is a good dude and there. But he just didn't possess that. And I saw when Seora came to New York for the first time with him, people were leaving after every song, and you crowd getting smaller and smaller, you know, I mean, they didn't sound bad. It just. This wasn't like that, you know? Yeah, it just was very. Just still, you know, kind of. They were just with his tapping his foot, I'm like, nigga, tapping your feet. Don't dress like that. I'd be swimming, you know, I'd be doing like an hr, you know?

[Bo]

You know what I'm saying?

[Jorge Rosado]

But, you know, and which is weird for me because you out there screaming, man, you know, how do you not want to go crazy? You know, I mean, if I'm yelling, my body's got to go with it. If my mind's going out of control, my body and my mouth, they all three are moving at the same time, you know?

[Colin]

Sure. Yeah.

[Jorge Rosado]

So. But I. I would figure if you're a front man, you would. You would need some type of stage presence, you know, there's a lot of great people up there who sing and stuff. A lot of great singers up there, and they're great. Yeah, they do. But you're still playing live. You're not recording or doing demos, bro, you got to do a little more for these kids. Ellie Leroy used to do flip.

[Colin]

Oh, he was one of a kind.

[Jorge Rosado]

You know, I mean, he's on stage. I used to jump over drums and do some flex. I'm not saying you got to do that.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Jorge Rosado]

Look at Gingy from Absolution. He was a nut. He was another HR Flying, doing spit. I mean, you know, I mean, everybody had their own way, you know. Look at Paul Bearer. He was an acrobatic.

[Colin]

He can chill. But he had the.

[Jorge Rosado]

But he had that person with the crowd argue with the crowd. He had that. Yeah, he had the. He was like cut out for that. He was he. Commandment. He was commanding. Yeah, everybody had their own thing and. And. Which has changed because, you know, in the 80s, you know, being a front man, your job was to be annoying and to have. Be confrontational with the crowd. It was a lot of that. And it was all part of the show, you know, because, like, yeah, you. Yeah, you know, they were there for you anyway, you know, but now you can't even do that go home crying. They could call the cops on you or some like. Oh, you.

[Bo]

No, but how soon after this? Cuz I don't actually know. Was the Ragman demo.

[Colin]

That would have been 2005. Four or five.

[Bo]

So a bit later.

[Colin]

That was after Brutality, I think it was.

[Jorge Rosado]

That was. Yeah. After brutality.

[Bo]

Okay, we can wait.

[Colin]

Let's talk brutality.

[Jorge Rosado]

Wow.

[Colin]

Who was on that one, man?

[Jorge Rosado]

Sab's not on that record.

[Colin]

What was that like to do something with Marauder without him for the first time?

[Jorge Rosado]

Sa was. Well, it was just me and Anthony at that time, actually. Wait a minute. You said. You said brutality. That's with. Oh, man. Yeah. Okay. So that was rough, man. We went in there, we.

[Colin]

No warning. Great song.

[Jorge Rosado]

Yeah, man. But 41 shots. We agreed we were unprepared.

[Colin]

Sure.

[Bo]

Okay.

[Jorge Rosado]

We were unprepared. Anthony had, like, four songs that were 80 done. Like, 90 done. And then we had two other songs that were, like, shaky. And then Century made it hit us up, say, yo, you gotta go. We call this wreck. And we're like, oh, we didn't write anything. So we took, like, one week off the recording where we're supposed to be there, and we took it just for writing. And Billy Milano, I think, helped out a lot because we were pressed with time, but he didn't, you know, it was, I'm gonna say, 75, 80% Marauder with the help of Billy. Okay. And it was good to have him there because he did help us. But there could have been a lot more to that record. Those songs seem like they weren't really finished.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Jorge Rosado]

And Anthony rushed through them, and it was a very weird vibe, you know, Saab showed up to studio, and because he didn't practice any of the songs, he wasn't hanging out and showing up the rails. He wanted to do with the record and said, I'm gonna go and bounce, you know, and it was strange doing that record. You know, I mean, it was a weird time. Everybody was in a weird situation. Yeah. I think Anthony might have been, like, getting deeper into. Yeah. And I mean, which. I don't think anybody was doing really good at that time. But we made the record happen. But I don't think that record should have happened.

[Colin]

Okay.

[Jorge Rosado]

Interesting at that. You know, I think it just needed more time. Needed to cook more time. We needed to fix, maybe needed sobs. It definitely didn't needed sob. And it was just, you know what? We lost track of time. We weren't really. We would be irresponsible. And we lost track of time. And we didn't. We didn't prepare for the record.

[Colin]

Okay.

[Jorge Rosado]

And we made what we had work.

[Colin]

And how do you look back at it now?

[Jorge Rosado]

I barely listen to that record.

[Colin]

No Warning. Good.

[Bo]

Good song.

[Jorge Rosado]

It's a good song. But I, I, you know, I.

[Colin]

41 shots. Good song.

[Jorge Rosado]

It's a good song. It's a good song, you know, But I feel like I don't really like the production, production wise. It's too metallic.

[Colin]

There's an interesting thing.

[Jorge Rosado]

It's done digital.

[Colin]

There's a lot of. Almost every other song starts with a. There's a lot of. To start the songs, which is definitely like a. Okay, we got it. We're writing it in the studio as we go.

[Bo]

Which is also Find My Way.

[Colin]

Yeah, but that.

[Jorge Rosado]

I'm just saying we started to do it differently. We started to do it with. I think we did it different at Detroit. It was. We added like an extra measure on guitar in the beginning. So it's just guitar.

[Bo]

Yeah, yeah. And then you come in. Oh, I see.

[Jorge Rosado]

Cool, cool, cool. So I. I think. Yeah, but I don't think we did that yesterday. No, you just weren't. We definitely didn't do that yesterday. You know, it didn't happen.

[Colin]

Great record. Yeah. How do you look back at F5 deadly venoms? It was. It has such a complicated timeline.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin]

It was a whole other band. For a little while, you were out of the band. How do you look back at it now?

[Jorge Rosado]

That was the demo, right? Yeah. Yeah. I love that record. I wish we could redo that, man.

[Colin]

You finally did Final War.

[Jorge Rosado]

What was that like?

[Colin]

Bringing Final War back. And the COVID Yeah, and the COVID Yeah.

[Jorge Rosado]

Final War. Well, Final War. That was supposed to been. We were going to do it for the first record.

[Bo]

Right.

[Jorge Rosado]

But they. They were stuck on this idea where, like, we gotta have a 10. It can't be a odd number. Or I'm like, all right, whatever. I mean, I guess they wanted to lay it out. Nice. Five songs here. Five songs. Yeah. I'm like. Which? Whatever. Doesn't really matter anymore. That. Boom. But I. I didn't make the first record, so I guess. Did you put it on the.

[Colin]

And it was a nice thing to have in the tank.

[Jorge Rosado]

That song is written by Chris Karate.

[Colin]

Chris Karate?

[Jorge Rosado]

Chris wrote the guy who created All Out War.

[Colin]

What are your thoughts on every Marauder shirt from 1991 to maybe 99? Selling for 500 or more now? Brutal, right?

[Bo]

It's crazy, right?

[Jorge Rosado]

Yo, I got a whole bunch of old shirts, man. Like, really? I got hit with a 3200 plumbing bill. Oh, sorry. Is that one. That's you? Oh, that's me. Okay. Sorry.

[Bo]

No, you're good.

[Colin]

He's got three, £200.

[Jorge Rosado]

I see three cameras.

[Colin]

You can send them to me first and then we'll, we'll figure something out.

[Jorge Rosado]

But. Wow. I made some of the, Some of them are cool, man.

[Colin]

They were all cool.

[Jorge Rosado]

Yeah.

[Colin]

The all the Master Killer era is crazy.

[Jorge Rosado]

Well, somebody. This is. And this was long ago. This is long ago. Somebody saw that. This actually the last album, the lineup. Darian that played in the band, he said that the only shirt that had my face on the back was a.

[Colin]

Green, like the green Fear of sin.

[Jorge Rosado]

And it was a misprint because that fear no sin.

[Colin]

Oh, wow. You said the only shirt that had your face on it. Yeah, I got tons of shirt with your face on it.

[Jorge Rosado]

Really?

[Colin]

Oh, yeah. All the master, the Master Killer. The picture with the, the pic, you guys.

[Jorge Rosado]

Oh, no, but that was the only one that had me like, with a microphone.

[Colin]

Oh, with a microphone. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Jorge Rosado]

You know, and, and he said like, yo, bro, that was going for like 400 and that was back in the day.

[Colin]

No, that's a thousand dollar shirt.

[Bo]

It's crazy, man.

[Jorge Rosado]

What the.

[Colin]

I know.

[Bo]

Partially our fault.

[Colin]

Yeah, yeah. Sorry, man. That's, yeah, that's on me. So brutality's done. You're disappointed in it. Ragman is right around the corner. Tell us about making this Ragman record.

[Jorge Rosado]

That was fun. Yeah, it was actually pretty cool. I love the separate tour, how there's a song on there that was one of those songs I couldn't sing either. The Obstacle song.

[Colin]

Oh, yeah.

[Jorge Rosado]

That song is all about my life. And it's just, it was just, it was just letting people know that, like, because, you know, I, it's that whole when kids beat you, you know, it's like you use the younger generation, you know, I mean, I kind of, I kind of felt like people thought that we were like living this, this amazing life because I'm like everyone, when I come back home from the tour, I gotta go work. And I got the same problem that everybody else. Yeah, it's probably even worse for us because we went and did all this great. Now we got to come back to this reality, you know, and, and I'm like, like, yo, we bleed just as much as anybody else. And that's always. That song is about, like, yo, like I, I, I go through daily suffering. You don't understand. We just. Because you think we, you see us on stage and doing all this, like, once we get off, we're back in, in, in, in, in grinding and doing what we're back with everybody else. Like, just because we do music doesn't mean, like, our lives have gotten better. No. You know, it's gotten more fun. And we. We do a job that people. I mean, not for nothing, man, being a rocket science is all. Fuck all that bullshit. Do what we do.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Jorge Rosado]

Nobody gets to. Yo, Bell. No schooling, no nothing. This is all from the heart, you know? And we. We reached more people, and we do for more than, bro.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Jorge Rosado]

Than the mainstream world does. You know, it's crazy. And I didn't realize that to years and years and years later, man. You know, I'm like, wow, what the. And. And. And then when my son started doing music, I'm like, holy. You know, he's like, this is. This is nuts. You know? You know, it's. It's. It's. It really changed my life, man. It was for the best and. And for the worst. But this is a scene where we. We're taught to be warriors, man. You don't. You don't fall in a scene and stay down. Yeah. And. And you got us. You got. We got. You got all of us. You. I tell these kids, even if you don't know us and you. You love the band and you don't know us and you having some issues. Hit me up, bro. Got social media. Hit me up. Say, oh, I want to talk to you. Holla at me, bro. Ain't nothing you tell me that I haven't heard, bro.

[Colin]

You know, that's what it's all about.

[Bo]

On the Ragman record. Yeah. There's a song called It's My World or My World.

[Jorge Rosado]

That's my hip hop song. Yeah.

[Bo]

That song is so good.

[Colin]

So good.

[Jorge Rosado]

Yeah. Thank you.

[Bo]

I remember it was on the demo, too, and I just remember it. My brain up. Yeah, I loved it.

[Jorge Rosado]

I loved it.

[Bo]

But the Sepultura cover.

[Colin]

Yeah, that's. That's. You, like, finishing the story.

[Bo]

Exactly. And I. Because I remember.

[Jorge Rosado]

Yeah.

[Bo]

When I heard it, we had heard the rumors.

[Jorge Rosado]

Oh, yeah.

[Bo]

Jorge, he went and tried out for Sepultura, you know, like, we.

[Jorge Rosado]

We. And I went in there with a blown voice because we shouldn't have.

[Colin]

So.

[Jorge Rosado]

We shouldn't have. We shouldn't have. We shouldn't have rehearsed, man, like, for five, six hours before that.

[Bo]

Because you were.

[Jorge Rosado]

Yeah. Yes. I went in there with a hoarse voice, man, and I was kind of bummed out. I'm like, yo, I really want to do this good, man. I'm already suffering from the throat already. But I mean, it worked out. It is what it is. I'm not going to complain about it. It happens for a reason, you know. But I mean, it was a good record. It was cool record, man. Obstacles was one of those songs that I couldn't sing live. How to turn my back to the crowd. I used to choke up on the lyrics of a deep. And that's probably one of the deepest I ever wrote, you know, like really personal and stuff like that. I try not to reflect my life. I try to talk in general and have kids take the song for what they ever wanted for. Yeah. You know. Yeah. And use it for what you want to do and what you. What you want to represent. But that song, I kind of got a little personal.

[Colin]

Yeah, that's fair. After Ragman, you did a demo for a new band called God Is I. Because it was not technically.

[Jorge Rosado]

Oh, yes, yes.

[Colin]

God Is I wasn't Marauder first.

[Jorge Rosado]

It was.

[Colin]

It was God Is I first.

[Jorge Rosado]

I had that music on here.

[Colin]

It's good. It was on MySpace. I remember downloading it.

[Jorge Rosado]

Oh, okay.

[Colin]

And then shortly it was different. Shortly after that, Marauder would put the song until up on MySpace. It was the first Marauder song post Brutality.

[Jorge Rosado]

I love that.

[Colin]

I remember sitting with my brother, putting it on, being like, yo, there's new Marauder. This is crazy.

[Jorge Rosado]

Yeah, that last record was great. It's my favorite record.

[Colin]

Really?

[Jorge Rosado]

Really? Yeah. Because not. Not well. Only because.

[Bo]

Were you more involved?

[Jorge Rosado]

Exactly. Yeah, it was. I was more involved and I was able to sing it the way I wanted to sing it.

[Bo]

Got you.

[Jorge Rosado]

You know, I was. I was using my voice like what I always wanted to do on the. On the other records. You know, how all because of circumstances, things never really worked out, but things fell into place on that record.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Jorge Rosado]

I think we were in the right place. We were in the right state of mind. We were like. And. And it worked out.

[Colin]

And who played on it?

[Jorge Rosado]

Darian Pollock. Darren Pollock. He's a tech now for Machine Head. Oh, cool.

[Colin]

Guitar. Is he the one shredding?

[Jorge Rosado]

Yeah. And then we had this dude, Dave. I forgot this last name. Dave. Also on the guitar. Pretty dope kid. He was pretty cool dude too. Then we had Drew Smurden on bass. Drew. And drums was Bobby Blood.

[Colin]

Yeah. First Blood.

[Jorge Rosado]

I think one of the best drummers ever had. My three top drummers in Marauder was. I'm gonna say Bobby Blood. Pokey.

[Colin]

Yeah, that's a crazy one.

[Jorge Rosado]

And ah, Goat who was Goat. Goat, go play with us for a while, too. Goat. He used to play in Burpees. Lloyd.

[Colin]

Oh, my God, Eric.

[Jorge Rosado]

Yeah.

[Colin]

Oh, wow.

[Jorge Rosado]

Eric was good. Eric was good.

[Colin]

Wow, that's awesome.

[Bo]

When did God Is I come out? 2000.

[Colin]

I mean, I think it formally came out in 2008 or nine. Yeah, but you announced it on MySpace. I vividly remember this. You announced it. It was originally called Gangsta. That was the original title for the album. You announced it in a MySpace bulletin. You said, yo, probably new Marauder out soon. It's called Gangsta until out now. Then you put up Rat Catcher, and then you put up what's the other one Built on Blood. Yeah, those were the first three singles.

[Jorge Rosado]

And I think they're really metal in that record, man.

[Colin]

We're very metal. But I remember hearing the Built On Blood Breakdown and being like, they've done it. They've resurrected Marauder. But until I. I'll never forget that feeling is because that was the first Marauder record that came out while I was, like, a cognizant being like. I remember I was very actively playing music, and it was like, okay, Master Killer is my favorite thing ever. And this band just put out this song, and it's unbelievable. Tell me. Tell me a little bit more about God Is I, AKA Gangsta? And putting that together. Do you.

[Jorge Rosado]

Do you feel.

[Colin]

So that's your favorite Marauder record today?

[Jorge Rosado]

Yeah. You know, even when we demoed those songs, those three songs, when it came out together, I was, like, really involved in that, bro. I was. I went upstate. I was. Darian had a house. They had a small, little. A tiny, little miniature house, man. It was like a little apartment upstairs and a little, tiny. It was a little, tiny house. It's so cool. I'm like, yo, this is awesome. But he had a studio in there, and, bro, I just went on over every riff. I mean, he. He wrote most of the stuff, and I, I. I actually helped with a lot of the. The arrangements of the songs because he was hearing, you know, he's like, yo, I got a Don't riff for a chorus. I'm like, no, that's a verse. I could see a verse. We did a lot of switching, but we did go every. Over every song and every. Every part. And I was just like, you know, I wanted to have input as a singer. Yeah. As a musician, but I didn't want to get in the way of the process. But I wanted to. But I hear and I. How hum something out. And they're like, oh, we're like this. And you know. And. Yeah. So. So I've been humming a lot. I got.

[Bo]

I got a whole notes app.

[Jorge Rosado]

Yeah. Bunch of hums, of riffs.

[Colin]

Wow. That's history. So.

[Jorge Rosado]

Well, we're probably gonna. I got one that's really good. The guys like it. They're like, yo, I hung this. And they're like, yo, I like that. So they're probably gonna use it. It's more like a chorus part, but they.

[Bo]

But around this time.

[Jorge Rosado]

But we're putting together.

[Colin]

Good, Good.

[Bo]

Around this time. When you're touring on the record, you did a support tour for the Haunted.

[Jorge Rosado]

Oh, yeah.

[Bo]

You played somewhere in central Illinois. It wasn't in Chicago. I live in Chicago. But it was somewhere in central Illinois. And I. I drove there, I walked in, you guys were already playing. I was a little late. You were playing. You did. You were doing the thing where you go from mask, the end of Master Killer into time ends.

[Jorge Rosado]

Right.

[Bo]

Like, right away. I'm walking in, right at that point. There's one person moshing one dude at this time.

[Jorge Rosado]

Yeah.

[Bo]

And I walk in, I immediately start moshing me and this. It's huge room.

[Jorge Rosado]

Yeah.

[Bo]

Me and this one guy clobber each other just smack dab in it. And I look, and it's my best friend, the singer James from Harbor's Way. We're the only two guys, and we both just are on the.

[Colin]

Like, of course.

[Jorge Rosado]

Harm's way.

[Colin]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Bo]

Oh, it's so. That's a fond memory I have of this era, and I remember you playing. Do you remember playing also at this time? It was 2009. You played the Subterranean in Chicago with JJ's CRO Mags, Death Threat, Marauder, Convicted, and a band called Left Hand Path, all from Chicago. Small room.

[Jorge Rosado]

Crazy. Yes. Yes, I remember that one.

[Bo]

That was like my. The first, like, real, like, proper time. Yeah.

[Jorge Rosado]

That's a great show, seeing Marauder, and.

[Bo]

That was a very, very sweaty show. Very sweaty show.

[Colin]

Do you have a favorite show you've played of all time?

[Jorge Rosado]

One that comes to mind? I have. I have. I'm gonna say the Dynamo Festival.

[Bo]

Oh.

[Jorge Rosado]

The very first time Marauder played the.

[Bo]

Dynamo Festival, how many people were watching?

[Jorge Rosado]

That was like a 180,000 type of thing. It was like. It was crazy, from what I heard. I didn't. And it was never that big ever again after that. Yeah, but it was. It was. I don't know. It was. It was a ridiculous amount of people. And that was the very first time, because we did. We did Do a festival. Right before that. I mean, it was a brother uncle show.

[Bo]

Right.

[Jorge Rosado]

But there was, there was like, it was like a little coliseum and I did, you know, but it wasn't our show.

[Bo]

Sure, sure.

[Jorge Rosado]

It was their show and they're their crowd and they're not really, like 80% of them are not really hardcore kids, you know, some may, maybe less. But yeah, I would have to say the Dynamo, because I, I, this, it was my very first time really seeing it on the big level.

[Bo]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jorge Rosado]

I mean, we did the Milwaukee Metal Fest, but that was nothing compared to. Yeah, like indoors. It's nothing. That, that was like, holy. Yeah, yeah. The first time I'm like, holy.

[Bo]

You know, you'll probably know there's a video of them playing, I think Wetlands. And Minus also sings.

[Jorge Rosado]

And you guys, you both sing. That was Wetlands.

[Colin]

Why?

[Jorge Rosado]

I love that club, man. I used to work there.

[Bo]

You do, you do one of the best moves where Midas doesn't sing. And you use both mics. You just use two mics. Yeah, that's the coolest.

[Jorge Rosado]

Wasn't Mike MacGyver on bass, the plane on that stage?

[Bo]

I couldn't tell you.

[Jorge Rosado]

I don't know. I think Mike MacGyver from Candy was on base. Okay. Yeah. Okay, man.

[Colin]

How often did Myers just jump up with you and sing songs?

[Jorge Rosado]

We don't keep in touch as much anymore. We haven't seen each other in a long time.

[Colin]

Sure.

[Jorge Rosado]

But in that way he's at right now. We haven't spoke in a while. Okay. People grew apart. I mean, I, I, at the end of the day, I never had any hard feelings for him. Never did, never will. There's a lot of in between people, of course, all the separation, you know, And I am mad at him for being a dude from my school, from my generation, being one of us, letting them dictate that shit, you know? Like we was around before these motherfuckers, you know what I'm saying? We put in the work for these motherfuckers to stick out their chests, you know? So, you know, other than that, I, I, you know. Yeah. I'm just telling them, come home. Come home, bro. Sure. You know, I got you. We don't need those, you know, but so I'm. He didn't need them, but whatever.

[Colin]

I was born the same year Marauder started. Isn't that funny to think about? Don't ever say it's. I know it's a crazy thing, but, you know, I'm out here every week singing the gospel of the band. I love the band so much. I love Master Killer so much. I, I love it all.

[Jorge Rosado]

I know you guys, you, you. You know how many people from all around the world you know this dude? I'm like, I know, I know we're your guy. I think you, you're my number one, oh, supporter and fan brother. And I respect and. And I appreciate you and love you as a brother for everything you have done, are doing and continue to do, you know. So we love both of you.

[Colin]

We're happy to do it.

[Bo]

I gotta tell you, in high school, I forgot this. I got a Burn CD from a friend. I was already in the. I was already in hardcore. I was already. I think Ragman was already out at this time, you know, I mean, so I was already aware of stuff. And I was. I was on the bridge, nine board and everything. Somebody gave me a Burn cd and on. There were two records on it. One was Age of Quarrel and one was Master Killer. Age of Quarrel was right. What I was looking for for Master Killer at the time was too. Too metal for me. You know, I didn't get it.

[Jorge Rosado]

Yeah.

[Bo]

One year later, put it on again. And like, ever since, you know, and. And I. And then discovering that on Five Deadly Venoms, you cover like my own at all. And then finding out that Paris helped was the producer.

[Jorge Rosado]

I was friends with Harley and John for years. I'm still friends with both of them. I mean, unfortunately happened between them. I wish it never did. Because I think right today, one of the biggest shows, if those two jumped on stage together, that would be their biggest payday in their life and it would be a groundbreaking and it would make history. Yeah, of course, you know, I. I've seen bands that hate each other go up on stage, they get. They. They come separately, get up the stage, play together, you would never know. And just. They get through it later. Yeah. You know, and I wish. I wish they would do that.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Jorge Rosado]

You know, I just heard Harley sing some of the old songs.

[Colin]

Yeah, he did a hard time.

[Jorge Rosado]

Yeah, that sounded great. It sounded great. Harley, they were always. They were. They both good at what they do, you know, And Harley was always very soulful person, you know, he had a lot of soul, you know, I mean, look how he plays. And.

[Bo]

Yeah, true.

[Jorge Rosado]

He was one of my bass. Favorite bass players ever, you know, not because he's my boy, man, but he's just one of those entertaining. I love his whole style and Persona, but, you know, that band did a lot for me, you know, then between them and the Bad Brains, you Know, and, and my metal background, I was always trying to have that medium, you know, but I also got to be me because my voice is me, you know, But I always try to keep some of that bad Brains and CRO Mag soul and hardcore Persona and aggression with my, you know, metal technique and range and all that, you know, So I try to give, Put both worlds into. That's why we kind of have.

[Colin]

You're both crowds.

[Bo]

Absolutely.

[Colin]

How do you look back at the last 34 years of the band and just where you are now? How does that make you feel just thinking about that, how far you've come?

[Jorge Rosado]

You know, I've had mixed emotions throughout the years because of personal reasons, and I always felt like the band. But, I mean, you know, all that, you know, like I said before, things happen for a reason, and I, I can't. I can't look back on life with regrets. It's not, it's not healthy for anybody, so. But I think I, I'm. I don't know, bro. The last 30, 40 years of my life, I, I, I have a life. Yeah, I have a life. You know, I, I grew up. I grew up. I didn't know what I was gonna do. Like, this fell in my hands. I didn't ask for it. I fell in my hands. But I'm not a. I grew up poor, not with much. So whatever I had, I took care of it. So if you gave me something, I, I, I, I run with it and take care of as long as I can. Yeah, I got, I'm an artist. I got artwork that I've done on napkins at a restaurant. Like, look, I'm like, yeah, you know what? I'll keep. And I still have them, you know? Like, it's just, it's these little things that mean a lot to me. You know what I'm saying? But, yeah, just pretty much.

[Colin]

And is Saab asking you to keep Marauder alive?

[Jorge Rosado]

Why? Yeah, that's what, you know, that burns in my head every day. You know, Every day. And yeah, man, I just wish he was here with me to carry that torch. I carry the torch. You do? Yeah, you do. You know, the band's gone, that there's no Vinnie, there's no Anthony I keep in touch with. Look, Rick Lopez. But, man, you know, it sucks, man, that I'm all the way down this path and they. And happens, man, you know, I mean, I, I wish Anthony and Vinny were still here, you know, and even Rick, you know, But, I mean, it is what it is. Everybody finds their Own path in life.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Jorge Rosado]

And you go, but I'm still cool with them, you know? I mean, I'm still cool. I mean, I don't. I don't have no. No desire to talk to Vinnie, you know, I just wish him the best. I wish even my enemies, I wish them the best. You know, if. If there's a motherfucker out there that I got to knuckle up with, I wish you the best. And I want you always to be 100, because the one with the day we meet, you have no excuses, you know, I want you to be on point. You know, I'm gonna be, you know, but I have no choice.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Jorge Rosado]

The way. The way the world is going, yeah, I. I gotta be on point. I mean, for anything, you know, I mean, I walk out. These kids in the street today, they. You know, outside of the hardcore scene, you know, I live. I still live in the hood, right? You know, and I can't. You know, no matter how well I do, I can never really leave the hood, you know, I just. I'm finding myself leaving now because of the winter and all that. But, you know, other than that, I mean, I'm a New York dude. I'm always gonna be a New York dude.

[Colin]

You said you were a guy. A guy from the block. A guy from the street before.

[Jorge Rosado]

Hey, from the block. Like, you got Jenny from the block. You gotta work here. From the block.

[Colin]

You know, like, ladies love Cool J, you know, Cool Jorge.

[Jorge Rosado]

I wish I would have ran into Jenny when she was on the block, but. Oh, my God.

[Colin]

So just to.

[Jorge Rosado]

Let's.

[Colin]

Let's wrap this up here. We're gonna ask you something. We ask everybody, and I'm really curious what your answers are. Your top four hardcore records of all time.

[Jorge Rosado]

Hardcore.

[Colin]

Top four hardcore records.

[Jorge Rosado]

I'm gonna say, wow, man, because there's so many. And I don't want to put nobody above anybody and leave anybody out, but, guys, I gotta pick four.

[Colin]

We're making them. It's.

[Jorge Rosado]

Yeah. So not his fault, I gotta say. The. The Bad Brains Rock for light. Love it.

[Bo]

That's.

[Jorge Rosado]

That's definitely Age of Quall from the CRO Mags. Oh. Having a rough time with these. With these next one, I get so many. I want to mention, even though I don't really even speak to the dude, but that's her record, man. Really Just can't hate enough. Yes. That. That. That. That just is just. That one record was just, you know, it brought out more on my metal side. Even though there's a hardcore Band, but they had that. That Celtic. They had that Celtic Frost sound. You know, Blake, you know, we call him Steak. Like, it's always these steaks, you know, Blake was the man. Bro. Bro. I. I'm good friend of mine, but great. I haven't seen him in years and he's still around. Apparently he's still doing good, so bless him, man. Bad brains, chrome mags, sheer terror and. Wow, this is gonna be rough, man.

[Colin]

You got it. Four is the hardest one, but you got it.

[Jorge Rosado]

It's a toss up, man. Okay, you know what? I'm not gonna even say them because they only put out one record. They didn't really get that big, but they're very inspirational. I love the record, but I'm gonna go with. With Blood, Sweat and tears, because I'm on that record.

[Colin]

Sick of it all.

[Jorge Rosado]

Yeah.

[Colin]

Wow.

[Jorge Rosado]

Sick of it all.

[Colin]

You're on it.

[Jorge Rosado]

I'm on the record.

[Colin]

You're on the background.

[Jorge Rosado]

I'm. I'm in. No, I'm on the COVID Oh, I'm gonna cover, like, with this feminist.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Jorge Rosado]

You know, so I got me minus on a whole bunch of people. Kevin Bulldoze was on that cover. Wow, man. A lot of people. A lot of people on that cover that people don't know.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Jorge Rosado]

You know, Ginger, bro, I could swear that. That Sergio is on that cover, too.

[Colin]

Interesting.

[Jorge Rosado]

Sergio from Deftones. He used to be in Quicksand.

[Colin]

Really?

[Jorge Rosado]

Yeah, I could swear he's like. With a shirt like this.

[Colin]

Eclectic lineup.

[Jorge Rosado]

On there, you know, But I couldn't. There's so many. I love, you know. And you know what? That record was great.

[Colin]

And that's a great answer.

[Jorge Rosado]

And you know what? And Lou deserves more than what he gets in life, and he definitely don't deserve what he's going through right now. Right? So shout out to Lou. And you know, and he was always. He was always a good dude to me. He was always a good friend. And. And him and his brother, the whole Sick of It all crew.

[Colin]

We just had Craig on. It was unbelievable.

[Jorge Rosado]

Yeah, it's a great episode.

[Colin]

This was also a great episode. Jorge, we cannot thank you enough.

[Jorge Rosado]

Thank you, man. I appreciate you guys, man. Thank you, man. Seriously, man. Bless you, man.

[Colin]

Thank you. If there's any closing remarks you'd like to leave the hard lore world with, here, here's your time.

[Jorge Rosado]

Hey, man, I know times are rough, man. Never doubt yourself. Don't. Don't be your worst enemy, man. Just live life. Be free. Fuck the distractions. Do what pleases you. Live your life. You're only gonna get one chance, brother. Peace.

[Colin]

Well said. Bye, everybody. See you next week. This episode is brought to you by Mad Vintage.