Mark Porter: FLOORPUNCH, 90’s Hardcore, Straight Edge, Death Metal

Summary

HardLore Podcast: "Mark Porter: 30 Years of FLOORPUNCH"
Hosts: Colin Young, Bo Lueders (Knotfest)
Date: December 11, 2025
Guest: Mark Porter – Vocalist, Floorpunch

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Episode Overview

This highly anticipated HardLore episode welcomes Mark Porter, frontman of the legendary New Jersey straight edge hardcore band Floorpunch. The conversation spans the entire 30-year history of the band, touching on New Jersey hardcore, style, lore, the process behind the new Shining Life Press Floorpunch book, touring tales, famous shows, scene wars, and the ever-evolving meaning of straight edge. The hosts and Porter keep the tone characteristically irreverent, nostalgic, and self-deprecating, delivering deep insight into one of hardcore’s most influential bands.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Origins of Floorpunch

• Formation Story
  • Porter wanted to start a band with a mission to bring back the hardcore he loved; the group came together quickly after collectively witnessing a disappointing Snapcase/Bloodlet/Donuts show ([00:00], [40:47]).
  • Quote: "This is how it happened. Like, I want to start a band. We're going to call it Floor Punch… And that was it. We were practicing two months later." – Mark Porter ([00:00])
  • The band’s immediate aim: to play the music they wanted to hear, regardless of trends.

2. The Lore of New Jersey Hardcore

• Early Scene
  • Porter paints a vivid image of the late '80s/early '90s NJ punk/hardcore scene—the shore, skate culture, and the role of older punks and literal family members in shaping his path ([10:09]-[11:58]).
  • Quote: "Meeting Brett Beach, becoming straight edge in 1987...these are the things that molded me." – Mark Porter ([12:39])

3. Becoming and Being Straight Edge

• Porter adopts straight edge after listening to Youth of Today’s "Can’t Close My Eyes," never wavering since 1987 ([13:53]).
• Talks about the shifting definition and external perception of straight edge over decades. Notes the difference between being part of “a counterculture” and merely abstaining from drugs/alcohol ([24:00]).

4. Hardcore Style and Evolution

• The "sportswear" look—Porter and Floorpunch’s refinement of the clean-cut, athletic aesthetic carried from high school football into hardcore.
• The intention behind merch and style: "peacocking," but authentically ([33:25]).
• Quote: "I think I did it, you know, consciously... I wanted to just hang out at the beach every day. My mom was like, you're playing a sport." – Mark Porter ([33:25])

5. Core Memories: Legendary Shows & Venues

• CBGB's Experience: Sneaking into the Lower East Side as a 15-year-old, learning to avoid trouble, and soaking in the venue's legendary sound ([25:37]-[27:46]).
• Early NYHC crowd moves, the origins of the "floor punch" and spin kicking: Porter recounts witnessing the first real floor punch and names the possible inventors of the spin kick ([16:19]-[17:01], [31:34]).
• "Raw Deal" and Burn shows at CB's—peak NYHC.

6. Band Dynamics, Haters, and the Floorpunch “Mission Statement”

• Early on, they were met with both huge enthusiasm (packed first shows) and plenty of haters, especially from older scene members ([52:36]).
• Quote: “There was a lot of haters from the jump too… older heads being like, 'I've been there, done that.'” – Mark Porter ([52:36])
• Porter’s self-deprecation: constant anxiety about whether anyone would mosh or care for their music—right up to the first gig ([04:22]).

7. Legendary Rivalries and Culture Wars

• The "Floorpunch vs. Earth Crisis" incident, including the infamous "yogurt" incident and stylistic divides within straight edge ([53:09]-[55:07]).
• Quote: “Are you Floor Punch straight edge or Earth Crisis straight edge?”—a divide Porter didn’t hear about until later, but one that symbolized the split between youth crew and militant vegan scenes ([54:01]).
• Clarifies the band’s actual relationship with bands like Earth Crisis and Fury of Five—not as beef-heavy as rumored.

8. Documenting the Lore: The Shining Life Press Book

• The multi-year process of compiling materials, stories of photos rescued from consignment shops, and the joy (and trepidation) of seeing their legacy documented ([02:46]-[06:48]).
• Quote: "To be honest, I still haven't read it... I'm really weird about core memories." – Mark Porter ([05:46])

9. Classic Songs, Merch, and Lasting Impact

• Songwriting process was extremely instinctual—Porter wrote most demo lyrics in one night.
• Structure of Floorpunch’s early material praised for impact: “Intro," "Change," and "Clear" are cited as perfect opener triad ([67:51]).
• Merch: intentional, heavily influenced by youth crew bands and local artists, each design crafted with legacy in mind ([92:53]).
• The myth of the gold 7" records “thrown into the ocean” is debunked ([85:26]).

10. Touring Life

• Tales from their sole US and European tours highlight the camaraderie, exhaustion, eating habits, and eventual burnout that led to their initial demise ([122:20]-[128:47]).
• European tour in 1998 is described as brutal and a turning point: “The nail in the coffin.” ([125:37])

11. Final Mosh, End of an Era, and Reunions

• The decision to end the band at CBGB’s (“Final Mosh” 2000) was unanimous and cathartic—"on top," no regrets ([133:05], [134:08]).
• Occasional reunions only for meaningful causes; Porter avoids becoming a “clown” in the oldies circuit ([141:22]).

12. Legacy and Generational Impact

• Porter acknowledges and values Floorpunch’s influence on generations of hardcore kids, including younger artists in modern, even stylistically different, bands ([144:39]).
• Quote: "It's crazy... here's this band that sounds nothing like us, but, like, know who we are. So I think that's kind of sick.” ([144:51])
• Reflection on modern hardcore’s size, monetization, and global reach.

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Memorable Quotes & Notable Moments

• On Tight-Knit Scenes & Core Memories:
  "Meeting Brett Beach, becoming straight edge in 1987...these are the things that molded me." ([12:39])

• On Starting Floorpunch:
  "We're going to call it Floor Punch... that was it. We were practicing two months later." ([00:00])

• On Early Style and Punk Crossovers:
  "The nerve to wear that to CBGB's... I'm sure I did it, you know, consciously... but it was authentic." ([34:48])

• Spin Kicking Debate – First Mosh-Move Innovators:
  "Lou Hawk... was the first one I saw doing spin kicks." ([32:04])

• On the East Coast/West Coast Scene Gaps:
  "I think it just sounds like everybody had had it at the same time... and a revolution came." ([44:36])

• On Writing the Demo:
  "Pretty sure I wrote all the demo's lyrics in one night." ([46:12])

• Straight Edge Divisions & Rivalries:
  "Are you Floorpunch straight edge or Earth Crisis straight edge?" ([54:01]),
  "They wore that shit on their sleeves." (re: Earth Crisis) ([56:04])

• On Hardcore's Modern Global Impact:
  "Who would turn style be in the 90s, size wise?... They're hardcore kids." ([144:25])

• Classic Hardcore Canon (Porter's Top 4):

  • Suicidal Tendencies – S/T
  • Circle Jerks – Group Sex
  • Cro-Mags – Age of Quarrel
  • Agnostic Front – Victim in Pain
    ([160:05])

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Important Timestamps

• Formation of Floorpunch after Snapcase Show - [00:00], [40:47]
• Snapshots of Early Hardcore Experiences & Becoming Edge - [10:09]-[13:53]
• On Style, Authenticity, "Sportswear" - [33:25], [34:48]
• CBGB's Stories & NY Experiences - [25:37]-[31:24]
• Origin Stories for Mosh Moves - [16:19]-[17:01], [31:34]-[32:26]
• Rivalries, Scene Splits, the Yogurt Incident - [52:36]-[55:07]
• The Shining Life Press Book - [02:46]-[06:48]
• Demo, Songwriting Process - [46:12], [67:51]-[68:23]
• Merch Lore - [92:53]-[95:00]
• European Tour Burnout, Kill Your Idols as "nail in the coffin" - [125:37]-[128:53]
• Final Mosh/Cathartic End of Band - [133:05]-[136:50]
• Reflections on Punk, Modern Hardcore, Turnstile/Monetization - [144:02]-[146:31]
• Porter’s Top 4 Hardcore Records - [160:05]-[160:25]

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Listener Q&A Highlights

(From Patreon segment)

• We Just Might or Time to Forgive? – "We just might every day, all day." ([146:49])
• Drafting a Hardcore Football Team: Jasta = GM, Rob Lind = Coach, Jesse Standhard = QB ([148:13])
• On introducing his kids to hardcore: “None of them are hardcore heads…” ([152:24])
• Who is the greatest straight edge band of all time? – "Youth of Today." ([153:15])
• Vodka Sauce pass for Straight Edge? – "Yeah, because I think the alcohol burns off, right?" ([155:50])
• Porter's 9/11 Story – narrowly avoided being at the World Trade Center and lost coworkers ([157:03])

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Tone & Style

Porter is open, self-effacing, often lighthearted, but never short on detail—giving a blend of foundational lore and humor, reflecting the spirit of '90s hardcore. The hosts honor and rib him throughout, connecting Floorpunch's mythic status to the wider culture of straight edge and hardcore with direct, insight-rich questions and in-jokes.

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Conclusion

This episode is a definitive oral history of Floorpunch, New Jersey hardcore, and youth crew legacy. Mark Porter's stories and HardLore’s thorough approach ensure this is essential listening for new fans, lifers, and anyone fascinated by DIY culture’s long shadow. The episode celebrates the cyclical vitality of hardcore and the enduring mystique around bands who "just wanted to play the kind of music we like—if no one likes it, we don't care."

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For those hungry for further detail, stories, photos, and first-hand accounts, the Shining Life Press Floorpunch book "No Exceptions" is recommended extensively in the episode.

Transcript

[Mark Porter]

This is how it happened. Like, I want to start a band. We're going to call it Floor Punch. Zusai was like within an earshot. I was like, I'll play. I had known Mike and Mark from the town that my dad lived in. And they were like, everyone was like, basically in an earshot. And they go, we need another guitar player. I was like, oh, yeah, you know, we got Bill or this and like. And that was it. We were practicing two months later.

[Colin]

And it's because you were all so miserable at this Snap Case Bloodlet Donuts show.

[Mark Porter]

Yeah, I think that that was like the tide that, like turned. That broke.

[Colin]

Hello, welcome. It's Hard Lore time. How you doing, Bo?

[Bo]

I'm doing great, Colin. I did homework for this and I'm very excited.

[Colin]

We've been working overtime for the better part of a year to make this episode happen. And it's finally here. We're ready. We have an incredible guest today.

[Bo]

Who do we got?

[Colin]

This is a man we talk about often on the show. He's made a few small guest appearances, but this is his first full fledged episode. A man always on our very short list of the greatest Straight Edge frontman in history. Everyone please welcome, from Floor Punch, Mark Porter.

[Mark Porter]

Thank you to have me. I'm honored to be here. And those very kind words.

[Bo]

All right.

[Colin]

You know, for factual words.

[Mark Porter]

Thank you so much.

[Bo]

Good to informally meet you.

[Mark Porter]

Yeah, I think we've crossed past it a couple shows before.

[Bo]

We have for sure. I was wearing a baby blue tee at the. This is hardcore 2009. I think the hottest room I've ever been in in my life. When Floor Punch played.

[Mark Porter]

Was that Starland Ballroom?

[Bo]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Colin]

We're also all straight Edge, so we do meet at the barbecue.

[Bo]

Yeah, the. Well, the yearly.

[Colin]

The quarterly. The quarterly.

[Bo]

He's always got a line though, so I've never gotten up to the front.

[Colin]

That's true. As I said earlier, we've been looking forward to this for a better part of a year. Tried to make it happen in person, but figured that with time being a factor and, you know, the book going on selling out left and right, that this was the best way to make it happen. When I. When I talk about the book, I'm of course talking about Floor Punch. No exceptions. This is one of the best physical documentations of hardcore music ever made. Put together by the Shining Life press team. Can't recommend it enough if you don't already own a copy. Is this something that they approached you guys with? Whose idea was this?

[Mark Porter]

They did. They did Approach us. I would say prior to early 2020, late 2019. That's how long it took for this to come out. Yeah, definitely prior to covet. I know for a fact and. But that's nothing. Those guys just leave no stone unturned, you know, I mean, even now, like, there's pictures showing up for later pressings and stuff. Like, people, like, submitting stuff they found. Like, there was a wild story that just happened, like in the last few weeks. A girl, Jessica Humphrey, who was from Virginia beach, who dated Timmy Blade Crasher, she had a storage unit that was broken into it when she was living in Brooklyn years ago.

[Bo]

Wow.

[Mark Porter]

So some Brandon Martinez, the turnstile roadie, hits me up. He's like, yo, my boy is at this, like, consignment shop and someone brought in a box of pictures and there's floor punch pictures. They were stolen from her storage unit.

[Colin]

Holy fuck.

[Mark Porter]

Send them over to John. There was a picture of, like Timmy's prom that I sent to her. Like, this is crazy. Like, look at this. And she's like, where did you get that? I was like, well, this guy has it at this consignment or like, you know, retro kind of store in Brooklyn. And I don't know if she'd gotten it back yet, but they definitely put them in touch with each other and she was trying to get her stuff back.

[Colin]

The book pretty much stops at 2,000, as it should.

[Mark Porter]

As it should think.

[Bo]

So.

[Mark Porter]

Yeah. I mean, we didn't do anything for seven years. You know, we, as always, being like a self deprecating fan of my band. Anyone will tell you that was close to us was my big. Well, do you think they'll like us? Is anyone gonna mosh?

[Bo]

Is anyone gonna mosh?

[Mark Porter]

Yeah.

[Colin]

That was the quote from the first show was like, everybody in attendance was like, why did Porter just ask me if I'm gonna mosh?

[Mark Porter]

Yeah. Because what's worse than seeing a band that no one's into? You know what I mean?

[Colin]

So literally nothing. What's worse than playing a show and no one's moshing?

[Mark Porter]

I can't believe.

[Colin]

Dude, you knew show one.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin]

The only thing that sucks is that.

[Mark Porter]

Yes. Yeah. Without ever being in a band before.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Mark Porter]

Like, I knew what, you know, we. We had like a plan. We wanted to stick to it and hopefully it would work. And luckily for us, it did, you know. Wow.

[Colin]

Amen. Did it ever.

Basically this book is going to be the outline for this episode.

[Bo]

Right? Right.

[Colin]

We can't cover everything because the book already did. If you don't have it. And I have this extra copy. I have a sealed extra copy of the first edition. I'm gonna give it away to somebody on our Patreon. So one random Patreon member is getting this book?

[Bo]

Yep.

[Colin]

But for those who don't have the book, for those who have the book, we're gonna go in a little bit of detail, a little more detail about certain aspects of that. And the book opens with a forward from Brett beach that I think is the perfect place to start this conversation.

[Mark Porter]

First of all, I want to shout out Brett, the guys from Shining Life, John and Zach, putting all the time and effort into it, because none of us ever would have did anything like this.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Mark Porter]

So them doing it, you know, I think it's really cool. And, you know, to be honest, I still haven't read it. I kind of just. I looked at what the haters said because I wanted to see where that was going. But other than that, I. I'm just saving it, you know, like, because I don't want to go off on a tangent, but I'm really weird about core memories. Like, when. When Judge Came Around, I didn't want to see them because I have those core memories from the video shoot from other shows where I was like, it was perfect. I just didn't want to taint when I remember what I remember. And even now, it just came back with Oasis.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Mark Porter]

I was like, I saw. My wife said, we saw Oasis five times. We saw him at, like, the wetlands, like, a 300 cap venue. I saw them at Roseland. I saw them in, you know, arenas, and I was like, do I even want to go? Like, I have this core memory of them being perfect, but, you know, I'm glad I did because they were amazing.

[Bo]

Yeah, amazing. I do the same thing, though. I. I've seen a couple bands do, like, the records, and I just kind of cross them off a list. I don't want to ruin it.

[Colin]

Yeah, Yeah.

[Bo]

I just want to keep. I do the same exact thing. I feel the same way.

[Colin]

The last time I saw Slayer, they only played for first four albums.

[Bo]

Why. Why do you ever need.

[Colin]

I'm good. I'm good.

[Mark Porter]

You know, I have an amazing Slayer story. If you want me to tell it real quick.

[Colin]

I want to hear your Slayer story. And let's get into. Let's get into four Punch.

[Mark Porter]

So this is. This might be. This is early. Early. Maybe late 95. Early 95. Definitely 96 at the latest. So I go to see slayer with Tim McMahon from Mouthpiece and maybe Jeff TDT, who is, you know, one of my oldest friends from hardcore, you know, rolled everywhere together. Floor punch, roadie, made all our merchants. And we go to see Slayer and they open up with hello Eights. So it's at the Roseland, which is like maybe 1500 cap venue. I forget, maybe less. So the first note, I just jump on TDT's back and he just battering rams through the crowd.

So within like two seconds of that, I'm completely getting jumped. Like, I'm, you know, it's like an actual boot party. Like, Metalhead's just stomping me out. So Jeff rescues me, like, Mosh out of there. Like, I'm just. I get out of there. I didn't get beat, you know, kick it. People just kicking themselves. You know, I'm like, covered up. So I'm moshing Masha. Mashing. That's not even the good part of the story. So fast forward, you know, maybe like, I don't know, Jesus Saves or one of these other tremendous songs. And I just see bodies going. Just dropping. And I'm like, what is going on? So I kind of mash over to the middle and I'm like, there's Kev. There's Kev one bulldoze.

[Bo]

Holy.

[Mark Porter]

Of course.

Dropping metal heads. So I kind of walk. I'm like, yo, what's up? And he's like, yo, check this out. He has T shirts around his knuckles.

And he just removes the T shirt and there's chains.

We Rest in peace, Kev1 Rest in peace, dude. Another court.

[Bo]

Dude.

[Colin]

That's unbelievable.

[Mark Porter]

Wow.

[Colin]

I'm out of there if he's in.

[Mark Porter]

There, you know, Brett beach has an amazing story that when we were on tour, AF was just starting to come around. Remember, like, not come around, obviously, but they're started playing show. They did like, you know, little bits and pieces of Chuck Val benefit and stuff like that. So they're playing the show at Manville Elks, and Brett tells the story so much more eloquent. He's like a real historian, where my brain is just shot and I wasn't even there. But they said they open up a victim in pain. And Kev1 is like, one of his first shows out of jail and proceeded to break someone's nose, broke another kid's thumb, all in about two seconds. That dude.

[Colin]

That's a fast song.

[Mark Porter]

Yeah, he was. He was a maniac masher. But that's my core memories with Slayer.

[Colin]

That's a great memory. Brett Beach. This quote here we go to know Floor Punch. You have to know New Jersey and what the hardcore scene was like in the early 90s. Floor punch was a product of that time and place. The previous generation had abandoned the scene and we were left holding the bag. A lot of people sold out, grew up, quit on hardcore and quit on straightedge. There was an entire generation who had just missed the glory days, who had to do it themselves and make their own glory days. And thus we begin the tale of Floor Punch. Tell me about New Jersey hardcore in the late 80s and early 90s. Through your eyes.

[Mark Porter]

So I was fortunate enough to have the bass. What? The bass player. What did Jim do? Jim Norton, I think played bass in Crucial Youth, right. He lived three houses away from me. He also sang in a punk band. I know he played. He didn't sing. I'm sorry. Another kid named Mark sang. He played an instrument in another punk band called the Shock Mommies. So I had like a little built in scene in my small town. That's a square mile. So I had him, you know, he was an introduction. I don't want to go off on a tangent here, you know, but these are like my core people, right? Jim Norton. Jim Norton. Skating, surfing, bodyboarding. Growing up a couple blocks from the beach, right? Alternative culture gets it. Getting introduced.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Mark Porter]

Meeting Brett beach, becoming straight edge in 1987. You know, as my kids now, you know, I have a 16 year old, a 20 year old and 11 year old. And when they like my middle daughter goes out and she'll do whatever, she's 16. And I'm like, I was already straight edge for two years at this point. And they can't even fathom that. Like. Yeah, you know, but back to like the 80s, Jersey was crazy, you know, it was a great scene. We had a lot of smaller hardcore bands like on Top, Stand Back, React, all like a core shore scene. But we also lurking in the background, we had Underdog, you know what I mean? I saw underdog in 1987. One of my first shows, like a skate aid benefit for like a ramp, half pipe. They played a show, a place called the High Tide Cafe. And I was there purely as a skater, but I happened to catch Underdog. And you know, we were fortunate enough to have that.

[Colin]

And they were there as skaters too.

[Mark Porter]

Oh yeah, yeah. Russ. Russ is a ripper.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Mark Porter]

And in my little circle, my little town, I had a best friend, you know, skating. I meet him, we just immediately click. He was an edge, but like into punk. Had a cryptic slaughter jean jacket on, became friendly. His brother was a Little older and they were friends with skinheads, like real skinheads, like Oxbloods, Freds, going to the city, hanging out at the White House in Greenpoint. Little sketchy. YDL lived there. You know, one of the guys, T, who's just an amazing guy, he, you know, he wrote it for agnostic front in 1986, went to LA, they played out there, like the bigger shows, stayed out there and became like a suicidal.

[Bo]

Right.

[Mark Porter]

Came back to the Shore. And I remember, like, you have these core memories, and if I'm going off on a tangent, I apologize, but these are like, these are the things that molded me. Like, core memory of T. Boots, braces, oxbloods, no shirt, walking with a cane. I'm just hanging out with the skateboard in the park and he's just hitting bees out of the sky with his cane. And these are just these scary dudes already have tattoos, you know what I mean? But these are like my core introductions. And I was very fortunate, you know, with the Jersey Shore having a pretty good scene, a 55 minute train ride from New York City.

[Bo]

Right.

[Mark Porter]

City City Gardens. Every touring band went there, from De La Soul to the Descendants to. I saw Danzig's first show there as Danzig, so I.

[Bo]

That is a note that I had. It. Was that his first show at that venue or first show ever as Danzig?

[Mark Porter]

I want to say it was his first show as Danzig.

[Colin]

Wow.

[Mark Porter]

So we can. I think I've researched it before and I think it's true. It was Gwar, Danzig and Heathen's Rage.

[Colin]

So this is post. Post Sam Hain. What. What is he playing? First album stuff or is he playing Sam Haynes stuff too?

[Mark Porter]

Couldn't even tell you. February of 88. I think he covered a few. I think he did cover a few misfit songs.

[Colin]

Probably Death Comes Ripping and who Killed Marilyn.

[Mark Porter]

That's what that. Those, those. I remember the covers and I remember it being packed.

[Colin]

That's all. Yeah, I really like your very quick explanation of becoming straight edge in the book. You say some kids around me were straight edge. I listened to Youth of Today, Can't Close My Eyes, and then I was straight edge, basically. And here we are 35 years later.

[Mark Porter]

Yeah, I mean, that was it, you know. You know, I grew up with a stepfather who was a drinker. Never really got a together. You know, we've made our piece, like later on and we're cool. But, you know, it was tough with him. You know.

He was part of the reason I really stopped drinking. Plus, you know, hanging out with some bad dudes like 12, 13. I was drinking, coming home, falling into stuff, and it just wasn't for me, you know what I mean? I met like a core group of straight edge kids and it just clicked like, you know, and it's been 87, it's 38 years almost. And I never once even thought about like, you know, breaking edge or whatever, you know, like sometimes I. I do have this weird nightmare and I swear I feel like it's happened a couple times. Like, wait, did I, did I drink then? And it's not true, but it's just, it's corny, but, you know, I mean.

[Colin]

It'S been your whole life at this point.

[Bo]

Well, based on some of these, some of the stories in this book, it would make a lot more sense if you had been, you know.

[Colin]

Yeah.

Tell me about. So, so you before floor Punch, long before you're ever thinking about starting a band. You're Mark Porter, local mosher, mosher around town.

[Bo]

Your.

[Mark Porter]

Your.

[Colin]

Your floor punching in other ways. What's going on? What, what is moshing like? And in itself, because we hear a lot about like the evolution of the spin kick in real time, the evolution of the karate stuff in real time. Is the floor punch a thing immediately as you're getting into hardcore?

[Mark Porter]

It's so crazy that like, you know, I'm getting like goosebumps thinking about this because I'm having this memory. So we had a venue in a town called Rumson, New Jersey. Very well to do town, like richer than rich. Like top 10 richest towns in Jersey. They. There was a, A church there and in the basement they had a little. No stage. They would have local bands play. They would have, you know, normal kids stuff. But someone, I don't know who was booking shows there. I can remember the first time I saw someone actually floor punch. Like I saw slamming, like circle pitting.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Mark Porter]

Like straight up, like skipping, like, you know, like. And I saw someone the first time ever Floor Punch. And I was like, holy shit. His name was Tom and we literally called him the Football Skin because it looked like he was just hiking a football. You know, we didn't know what he was doing.

[Colin]

Sure.

[Bo]

Okay.

[Mark Porter]

And so I believe the show was Vision Ripping Corpse and a band called Right Track, which before that were called Avenel Kids. I think he rolled down with Avenel Kids. So shout out to Tom. His last name may come to me throughout this, but he was the first I saw it real time.

[Bo]

Wonder where he got it from. What inspires one that I couldn't tell.

[Mark Porter]

You, but I Know, for our scene. Like, that was the first time we saw it.

[Colin]

Unbelievable. And you. And. And you immortalized it, you know?

[Mark Porter]

Yeah. And then fast forward like a year and a half later seeing Breakdown. And I remember just like surveying, like, my surroundings, and all you saw was everyone like that, you know, that's all you saw. Like, you didn't see anyone standing up. It was just wildfire, dude. Spread like wildfire. It did.

[Bo]

I had a question. So you mentioned, right in the beginning, your Aunt Carol, who was kind of a catalyst for you. She was living or had lived in the Lower east side. She was a bit of a punk herself.

[Mark Porter]

Yeah, I was gonna get to her, too. So. Yes. My mother's sister. Dyed black hair, black Ray Bans, black leather jacket, black jeans, you know, engineer boots. Living on the Lower east side. Like, battled her demons. Like, you know, she had, you know, addiction issues, like living there, you know, and. But she hung out with, like, at CBs and, like, was friends with Gestapo. Her name was Carol Rudin.

Yeah. And so she played in a band. Like, I remember having a demo tape. It was just like a noise. She described it as noise. They were called the Phantom. Now, I've never seen anything from them, but I remember they had a demo take. She gave it to me. But.

She. The first few records she gave me were definitely. I know one for a fact was Sex Pistols, who Killed Bambi.

[Bo]

Right.

[Mark Porter]

Maybe a Wipers lp. And the. Definitely one of the Buzzcocks lp. One of the lps. Hands down, those are the first three. Maybe. You know what? I know another one because I still have it. A Proletariat seven inch. Well, I mean, I can't even tell you what proletariat sound like now. I remember it was two. It was a two. It was a two. Two song single. And I think I still have it.

[Bo]

Wow.

[Mark Porter]

Yeah, but she. Yeah, she. She was alternative and, you know, that was pretty much it, though, because she was, you know, she's probably like 16 years old and wanted nothing to do with me, you know, she's probably 28. I'm 12, 13. So she was like, here, get out of here. You know what I mean?

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Mark Porter]

So it wasn't like a. Like a long relationship. You know, obviously we were family and we'd see each other all the time. But that was like her introduction. She's like, go figure it out yourself. You know what I mean?

[Bo]

I got you. Speaking of possibly still having the record, do you still have Greg Ginn's autograph?

[Mark Porter]

I don't. And I looked And I'll tell you. So this is too funny. Like my mom had this friend who was well to do, married, you know, very successful. So she was always like picking up projects. So one of her projects was music producer for salsa. So she had this guy named, I remember this, this is 30 years ago. 30 years ago. This is 40 years ago. Named Kiko Menendez. Like she was producing this guy's records. So you guys are musicians? In the forties on the west side there was a music store called Manny's. I don't know if it's still there today, but it was like a major like almost like guitar center. But okay. Like family owned.

[Colin]

Local.

[Mark Porter]

Local, huge. Like passing through. So I'm in there, she's getting like a mic for like a recording session. So she's in there for a music, you know, getting this like a, like a mic for a session and she's like, oh Mark, there's a band over there, you should go see who they are. And I was like, okay. I mean I didn't know. I'm. I'm probably like, I don't even know. Somewhere between the age of 12 and 14. I mean it probably was 1986 so I was 13.

And I found out it's Black Flag. He writes Little piece of paper. Greg Ginn Gone and the Black Flag bars. So I proceed to go to Tower Records and the first cassette I buy is Loose is Loose Nut. Yeah, I had to hear Black Flag, you know.

[Colin]

Sure.

[Mark Porter]

So that like time frames a little. I'm not sure where that fits in my musical journey but it's definitely very early on.

[Bo]

What'd you think of Loose Nut? What'd you think of Black Flag?

[Mark Porter]

I mean obviously I liked other records later as I. As I discovered more like Damage and stuff like that. But Loose, that's cool. I mean like I still know all the songs. Is the first tape I had of those. You know what I mean?

[Bo]

There we go. Yeah, yeah.

[Colin]

In our 80s bracket, best 80s hardcore band ever. Warzone beat Black Flag. How do you feel about that?

[Mark Porter]

That's bananas. I mean but even though is Black Flag it's like punk hardcore, right?

[Colin]

It is, it is, it's defined. It's like whole genre defining though, you know.

[Mark Porter]

Yes. And it is, you know, it's not like punk like the Dead Kennedys is punk or like gbh but you know, it is definitely punk but you know, I wouldn't have Warzone beating them because you know I'm. I like Warzone but I'm really only like a 7 inch and don't forget the struggle kind of guy. Even open your eyes. I'm like, whatever.

[Colin]

You don't like that third one with the fake drums, the bullet holes?

[Mark Porter]

Is that the one with the bullet one? No, no, that's.

[Colin]

Yeah, yeah, the self titled.

[Mark Porter]

I don't think I can name one song.

[Colin]

It's crazy. It's wild stuff. So Straight Edge is this. Is this ever evolving concept since its inception? How. I'm wondering how the concept of the edge break had to exist at some point. How did teenage Porter react to friends breaking edge before floor punch? Because I know how you reacted post Floor punch, right?

[Mark Porter]

My best friend Steve, who a lot of the Floor Punch lyrics are about, right, he got a Notre Dame X up Fighting Irish guy with 88 next to it. And he. The joke was, Steve broke edge before the ink even dried.

[Colin]

Okay, there it is.

[Mark Porter]

You know, so he was broken edge definitely by 91.

[Colin]

So years later you're like, I gotta write about that. Yeah, because you know, he gotta bust the ball.

[Mark Porter]

Steve is like, you know, yeah, I gotta break balls. And he was in my best man in my wedding. Still one of my best friends, you know, but it was weird for a little period of time, like he thought I would care. And, you know, friendship is friendship. You know what I mean? Like, I get it. Like if you have a relationship built on that and like you're in like a straight edge crew, like Salt Lake City or something, like, you know, whatever it may be, you know, that's a little different. Like if your friendship is based and like founded on being straight edge. But to me, it was like a little strange for a while. But, you know, I definitely saw, you know, other than Brett and like Will Zoo side and meet later on. He's been straight edge for a very long time. Brett, it's been straight edge if as long, if not longer than me because I don't even know if he ever really drank, you know. But yeah, you know, after a while you just get like, you're so used to. Doesn't even matter, you know what I mean? Like, you know, like the whole wave, like even like gorilla guys, you know what I mean? Who like broke edge. And like you, you, you think to yourself, all right, you're in late 30s, why break edge now? You know what I mean? Like, you made it this far. Like, I was always like, I went through college, I played sports in college, hung out with like jocks. I made it through all that. Like, the rest is just. I was on the commodity floor, like literally wolf of Wall street shit going on all around me. And I never broke edge.

[Colin]

Like, so cigars all day, cocaine, whatever.

[Mark Porter]

You know, like, if I can make it through that, like the rest of life is just a piece of cake.

[Colin]

You know, 100 and a couple edge breaks can, like rupture a local scene, you know?

[Bo]

Sure, yeah.

[Mark Porter]

Because, yeah, generally, because you very rarely as, as like a younger dude. A lot of times when you're breaking edge, it's not like you're moving on to like cross punk. Like, you're just, you're piecing out, you're breaking edge, you're out. You're out. You're becoming society. You know what I mean? Because that's why most like young kids, you know, this is like, you know, before, like designer drugs and like all this other stuff, you know, it was like cigarettes, weed, and like booze, right? So like, you drink, you break edge, then you're becoming society. Like, straight edge was like the counterculture, you know what I mean? Like, not many, you know what I mean? Like, you crew is on the up and coming and they were the counterculture. You know, people looked at those guys like your straight edge. Why? Like, you know, like, you know what I mean?

[Colin]

So, yeah, 100%. And I, you know, people argue with us a lot about like, do like drugs being a counterculture, and I think they're a counterculture if you have no culture. Otherwise they're just culture.

[Mark Porter]

Well, why I would argue that is because name is there one football player on USC that's straight Edge. There's plenty of people who probably don't drink or do drugs.

[Bo]

Yeah, right.

[Mark Porter]

But I'm not letting you call yourself.

[Bo]

Straight Edge just because. Yeah, agreed. Yeah.

[Mark Porter]

You know what I mean? There's a counterculture. To me, it has to be tied into the music, you know what I mean? That's, it's like, you know, I'm sure we've all had friends. We all look at me, I'm not drinking tonight at a party.

[Colin]

I'm straight edge this weekend.

[Mark Porter]

I'm just like, bro, shut up. You're corny. You know what I mean? But we've all experienced that, you know, so to me, it ties in with the music and the counterculture and, you know, that sort of stuff.

[Colin]

Beau and I never got to go to CBGBs. Can you tell us about your first experience there, your favorite experiences there? And are you already kind of putting it up on a pedestal as a teenager?

[Mark Porter]

BBGB's as a teenager, for me, I, my. I know my first show there Was a Rest in Peace's show. I saw Rest in Pieces there a few times. I saw like the Five Golden Ring show. That's on cbs. You know, me and you, scumbag band, when they open up with that. Yeah, was there, but that was later on. That was like 89. I saw them before that. I think with Raw Deal, I could be wrong. Like, like I said, Brett's a historian. My brain is shot.

[Colin]

You're doing great.

[Mark Porter]

But just the whole. First of all, not telling my mother that I'm going there. Right. Because who's letting a 15 year old sneak into the Lower east side? This is when Cracked was like running rampant in New York city. You know, 400 murders a year. You know what I mean?

[Colin]

This is the age of quarrel. Lower east side. This is what they're talking about.

[Mark Porter]

Exactly. Yeah. Like literally absolution. Like crackheads everywhere, empty vials, carpet to ground kind of stuff. And so it was more than just the show. It was taking the train. Yeah. Riding up there, like meeting other hardcore kids on the train. You know, see bomber jackets, you see champion hoodies, you know, and you know, like, you're part of this, like bribe that's going to this thing. And you're walking from 9th street path, which is like probably a mile walk to CBs. It's an adventure. You get there. And I remember I've always had a staring problem. I got it from my mom. I just like to. I'm always like in tune, but I stare. My boy Tom Yak, who's like a big tattoo artist, is like, listen, my nickname was always X. That's why I flirt. Punch, Mark X.

[Colin]

Mark X.

[Mark Porter]

It was never Mark X. It was just X. Yo X. Yo X. So he's like, X. There are some dangerous cats here. Do not stare at them. Because A, they just love to kids up from Jersey. So don't stare. And I, you know, and I remember that. And I remember just. They're like, look at your. Look at your feet. Now I'm with metal heads too. And they're straight up going like this. Like, we're walking from the path. They're going like this. Hooking their ponytails under their hat to go to CBs, you know, because metalheads were a target. You know What I mean?

[Colin]

100%.

[Mark Porter]

That was the dudes I rolled with. And, you know, it was just fucking awesome being in there. Dark, airy, perfect stage. The floor itself was disgusting. Nails not properly, like leveled. Tripping hazards everywhere. Like, sure, you had a little crow's nest on the either side. But the sound man, it was so. It was just black and the stage had the lights and the sound was so good. Like people say that, but it was so rich and like, I mean, dude.

[Colin]

Live at CB's sounds perfect.

[Mark Porter]

Yeah.

[Colin]

And it was like it's impossibly good.

[Mark Porter]

Yeah, like not tinny, like full. You know what I mean? Like I think Tommy Victor from Prong was the sound guy. Oh, it was just friggin awesome. You know what I mean?

[Colin]

Can you tell me the coolest show you went to at CBs? Because I know one that I think, I think you were at. Were you at the Killing Time last show?

[Mark Porter]

No, I wasn't. I was at that. I was at that Burn show that just where the shock is wearing the PAL jacket. I was at. I think that was Super Touch Burn and demise. But I could be wrong. But I was not at the last Killing Time show. I had seen Raw Deal there.

[Colin]

Were you at the Straight Ahead reunion?

[Mark Porter]

Was not Zeus. I was. Brett was like, I'm a poser, bro. I mean what can I do? All my, you know those dudes hung out with older kids that drove.

[Colin]

Yeah, you didn't live there. It's a, you know, what can you do?

[Mark Porter]

And even like getting to the train station wasn't easy. Like I had to get a ride there, you know what I mean?

[Colin]

You had to have an excuse.

[Mark Porter]

Like Brett had some old Brett like had some older friends that he could hop in their car with and go, you know. And the reason, like my father lived in a town where I knew these metalheads. Like and when I stayed with my dad's on those weekends, it was easy to hook up with them and hop in with their car. But if I wasn't there, I was like on an island. But yeah, I remember the I Spy show, the Hawker show happening. Wanting to go. And I couldn't go for some reason. Another core memory when Killing Time played at the shore with Social Decay. False Justice. It was like a banner show where Brett beach had made a banner about in effect selling out. And they kind of wanted to beat Brett beach up. Killing Time. So like there was some schism. But my mom, we had gone skiing in Killington and she was like, I promise you, you'll be home for the show on Sunday. And then my fucking stepfather was like, oh, let's go antiquing on the way home. I remember just sitting in the back of the car. This is my kids. And they're like, my heart was burning. Cause they didn't even buy Anything. And I missed the show. It was like an epic Jersey Shore Show. 1990. Yeah.

[Colin]

All to go antiquing.

[Mark Porter]

Yeah. In Vermont.

[Colin]

That sucks, man.

[Mark Porter]

Does suck. But these things are important when you're a kid. 100%, you know what I mean? I was probably 16 or 17.

[Colin]

You never forgotten?

[Mark Porter]

No. But killing time last year, I was not at. I had seen raw deal at CB's thing twice. So I would say probably one of the raw deals. Maybe like the raw Deal. Sick of it all, Joe. I have to see the flyers. When I see the flyers, I go, yeah.

[Colin]

You know, similar in reaction where it's like every New York hardcore person in existence is there and on stage and moshing and diving and singing.

[Mark Porter]

Yes. Yeah. Like, you had Lou and Pete on stage, moshing. You know, you had the SOBs, the minuses, you know, Kev ones, Gavins, like the heavy hitters. You know what I mean?

Yeah. It really was like. Like that Burn show is really, like, in killing time, that encompasses really what. But that's a little later on, you know what I mean? Like, it was a little different. Like, 87. I wasn't there anything. 88, early 89, you know, 90. Like, the scene was kind of wild in New York at that point, you know what I mean? CBs have been shut down and reopened, you know what I mean? Because of violence and stuff.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Mark Porter]

But, yeah, I mean, I saw Burn there a couple times. That Burn show where he's wearing that Powell Gas jacket show was crazy. Crazy.

[Bo]

Supposedly, Shaka was the first one to throw the spin kick. Speaking of.

[Colin]

First or second, right?

[Bo]

First or second. Yeah. That's what we've heard in our extensive research.

[Mark Porter]

Okay, so there's someone who's still around. His name was Lou Hawk. Lou Hawk sang for Curb Jaw, a Jersey band that Bill Punch was in before. And Lou. Lou Hawk, we just had a Mohawk, you know, that's how he got his nickname. But then he became. But he was like a trained martial arts guy. Kung Fu Lou, he was the first one I saw doing spin kicks.

[Bo]

Here we go.

[Mark Porter]

And he would wear three three eye steel toe docks. And he would just dive and just smash his feet on people's heads and be doing spin kicks. Yeah.

[Colin]

So we got a third name. In the. In the first, we got Saab Chaka, Lou Hawk.

[Mark Porter]

Lou Hawk, for sure. I mean, any of my Jersey heads would back me up on that.

[Bo]

Okay.

[Colin]

All right. It is. It is entered.

[Bo]

What I wanted to ask about was you mentioned going from, you know, coat and, like, safety pin earring, punk Kid into what? You're, you know, very well known for being kind of sportswear, college football stuff. The. The Eagles starter jacket, you know, whatever. While this. All of this New York, you know, while the scene is very much not that, especially as, like. Like, the uses today thing and the. And the youth crew thing right before you guys was already very clean cut, but then floor punch, and eventually you and your personal look, just looking through the book got even more refined, it looks like. And I'm just curious about how that developed with you. Like, how that started with you. Did. Did sports and everything do that, or was it coinciding with the scene that was happening at the time? Or how did you get to where you eventually got.

[Mark Porter]

Well, like, full disclosure. Like, I was like, a skater, like, bodyboarder, like, punk kid when I went to high school. Freshman year, my mom's like, listen, you're playing a sport. So I played football. I was pretty good at it, you know, and that's where, like, I didn't become a jock. Like, you know, I was playing sports, and I. Like, my aesthetic might have changed, but I was always, like, still wearing, like, bald shirts to school and stuff, you know? But that was, like, that transition from that, like, the safety pin in the air is true. Like, I definitely poked it through and shaved my head with, like, my mom, like, a mohawk. My mom's like, leg raiser. Know what I mean? Tear, teardrop, you know, trench there. Not even, bro. Just raw. You know, I'm your Venus. Yeah, exactly. But that is. That is true. But, like, you know, just, you know, I wanted to just hang out at the beach every day. My mom was like, you know what? You're playing a sport. Like, I played, like, rec, soccer and baseball. Like, I played sports, but football's a little more than that, you know, because it takes more time consuming if you want to play. You got to work out and do all that. So, you know, I never stopped bodyboarding. They used to make fun of me. I would go to, like, work out in the summer in camp, and I'd be showing up with just like, a pair of vans covered in sand, like, sunburn from being at the beach all day. Because it wasn't like my love, you know what I mean? But it was just something to do. And I made friends through that. And, you know, but, like, it's the aesthetic. Like, you're right, because think about the COVID of the 7 inch. Like, the nerve to wear that. Like, the nerve. It's crazy. Wear that to CBGB's, you know, it's awesome, dude.

[Colin]

It's. It's like it's still happening to this day.

[Bo]

Yeah, right, Right.

[Mark Porter]

You know, I equate that to. In like a different way. You know the mental dump truck video from Posi Numbers.

[Bo]

Yes.

[Mark Porter]

You know, JR Get Real is wearing like a white tracksuit and, like, his hats like this. That's the same thing as what I was doing, but, like, peacocking. Yes, yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Colin]

But I'm sure athletically peacocking, I wasn't.

[Mark Porter]

It, you know, it was silly, but, you know, I think I did it, you know, consciously.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Mark Porter]

You know what I mean? Like, this is what we're about. Like clean, but it's also you.

[Colin]

It's. It's you and it's still you.

[Mark Porter]

Yeah, exactly.

[Colin]

It was conscious, but it was. It was authentic.

[Bo]

Well, it's also. It's refreshing to hear you say that and that it was conscious because when we talked to Dwit, I asked him the same thing because he was kind of well known for always changing his style and doing his. And he was just like, yeah, I don't know. Just kind of did whatever. And that's. That's just such a frustrating answer, you know, as someone who's always wondered. So I'm. I'm glad to hear that because part of it, I'm sure, was kind of like a fuck you, I'm doing this. Like, we're all doing this because this is what our crew is doing, you know?

[Mark Porter]

Yeah. And you know, like at the time, like Brett said in the book, you know, you had bands like Hoover and Lincoln and like Split Lip and like Lifetime.

[Colin]

Any other presidents?

[Mark Porter]

Yeah, like, they were all covered, you know, it was like Dickies pants and like, you know, like small T shirts and like, whatever. Like. But, you know, when Brett. I'm kind of got sidetracked. But you guys will like the story. Another, like, important band from the shore from like the late 80s and the early 90s was a band called Human Remains. Right. So very technical, but like from cut from Ripping Corpses cloth, you know, because not intermingling members, but all good friends.

[Colin]

Two of the most underrated death metal bands of all time.

[Mark Porter]

I mean, listen, Ripping Corpses, the song Corpse Attacks is easily one of my favorite mosh parts of all time. And it's written. And it's written in 1986.

[Colin]

I know.

[Bo]

Wow.

[Colin]

Their dead body is number one influence, really.

[Mark Porter]

As they should be. Yeah. You know, I mean, they have real mosh parts. Real mosh parts, not metal mosh parts. Right.

[Colin]

As hard, deliberate, built for spin kicking Straight up. Much like suffocation, dying fetus. It's the same. Same vibe.

[Mark Porter]

And it was 86, 87, 88. Right. I think 80s death warmed over. Might have been 86, 87. Yeah. So I was away at college for a year and a half. I come home, and I think Brett was like, oh, Resurrection's playing. Who I wasn't even that familiar with. He's like, there's a show at Rutgers. Do you want to go? He's like, who's playing? It's like, Resurrection. He's like, human Remains. I was like, oh, yeah, I want to go. So Resurrection plays. I'm chilling. Human Remains Place. No one's moshing. Like, people are just standing there now. They have a song. I think it might be wrote. It's called, like, R O T E. One of the bass. Like.

I'm sorry if I'm humming this, but.

[Bo]

No, you're.

[Mark Porter]

And it just breaks out into the craziest. And I was just like, wham. Like a fucking train across. Open that shit up. Ran over a girl, like, this girl Colette, who was, like, leader of, like, chicks up front movement. You know what I mean? And this dude came up to me, like, literally patted me on the back. He was like. I didn't even know who he was, but I found out later. His name. I forget now, but he was like, yo, thank you so much. I've been waiting for someone to do that. They weren't moshing.

[Colin]

People were like, just mosh for Human Remains or anything.

[Mark Porter]

No one was moshing. People were, like, sitting on the floor. It was like, you know.

Not me, though. Bull in the China.

[Colin]

God damn right. Floor punch. So by 1995.

[Mark Porter]

Yeah.

[Colin]

Hardcore has not even been around that long. Like, when you really think about it in the full concept of time, less.

[Bo]

Time from 95 to now to now.

[Colin]

It's insane.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin]

And it's changed, but it's changing so quickly. And by 95, it looks so different from when you found it. You know, you mentioned vegan stews at every show. No moshing rules. There's garbage, metal core. Everywhere you look. There's rules being put in place left and right. And it all. When you say it like that, it's like, it's all so cyclical.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Mark Porter]

Like, if you're serving vegan stew, like, to feed the homeless, God bless, you know, but 100%. But if you're just, like, serving stew and just advertising it as vegan, just to say you're vegan and, like, your zine explicitly says printed with Soy Ink. Like, that's where we were at. You know what I mean? Like, that's what was going on.

[Colin]

Sure.

[Mark Porter]

And you had bands like, you know, like Bloodlet, you know, the Donuts. Like, you know, in hindsight, what did.

[Bo]

You say in the book?

[Colin]

It was the trifecta. Garbage.

[Mark Porter]

Yeah. I mean, in hindsight. Snap Case, those dudes, like, they can kind of rock a little. Like, I see what they're doing now.

[Colin]

Mm.

[Mark Porter]

But 1995, 22 year old me was like, no fucking way. No thank you. Like, I'm Blinders. I want to hear Breakdown and judge and why isn't every band sound like that?

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Mark Porter]

You know what I mean?

[Colin]

So what's the Solution, Porter, in 1995, what is the solution for that?

[Mark Porter]

The solution is to go to a show where there's some really bad bands playing, but you have Ignite playing and Ignite for a hot minute, had some tracks. You know what I mean? It was like, you know that SoCal UC unity vibe and going up front, singing along and be like, yo, that was cool. Like, it really. This is how it happened. Like, I want to start a band. We're going to call it Floor Punch Zeus. I was like within an earshot. I was like, I'll play. I had known Mike and Mark from the town that my dad lived in since probably like 88, 89, when they were real young. They were like a couple years younger than me, like skate rats. And I knew they were in a band called Spirit, which was Curb Jaw prior to that. And, you know, Mark was an endeavor, so I knew he could play. And they were like, everyone's like, basically in an earshot and they go, we need another guitar player. It's like, oh, yeah, you know, we got Bill or this. And like, that was it. We were practicing two months later.

[Colin]

And it's because you were all so miserable at this Snap Case Bloodlet Donuts show.

[Mark Porter]

Yeah. I think that that was like the tide that like, turned broke us.

[Colin]

I love what a focus there is on this show in the book of just everybody separately being like, fuck, this sucked. We're Floor Punch now.

[Bo]

We have to make a band.

[Colin]

Yeah. It's so awesome.

[Mark Porter]

That's how it was, really. That show was the catalyst.

[Colin]

It's unbelievable. And the name, Floor Punch, let's break this down for a second. It's such a miracle that it works because it's a mosh move. And at the end of the day, it's not all that different than calling a band Spin Kick.

[Bo]

I was just gonna say that.

[Mark Porter]

Yeah. Or circle. Or circle pit.

[Colin]

Or circle pit. By the grace of God, by the grace of being a cool word, the band being awesome and you guys being cool, it somehow passes. So that was 100% just you saying. It's called floor punch, guys.

[Mark Porter]

Yeah. And we're going to play the kind of music we like and if no one likes it, we don't care. Like, you know. Well, I cared because I wanted people to mosh, but, you know, that was. That would. That was like. That was like, you know, the mission statement of the band and that's.

[Bo]

That was floor punch. One word.

[Mark Porter]

One word.

[Bo]

How. How pissed off would you get? I'm looking at all the flyers in the book where it's two words.

[Mark Porter]

Floor punch.

[Bo]

Dude, that shit drives me crazy. It's stylized how it's meant to be.

[Colin]

Harm's no apostrophe way. Right?

[Bo]

I'll lose my fucking mind.

[Colin]

No apostrophe.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin]

If you look at our 90s hardcore bracket episode, which had people up in arms for weeks now, they're still talking about it.

[Mark Porter]

Good episode, by the way.

[Bo]

Hey, thank you.

[Colin]

Thanks, man. There isn't a band on there that sounds like floor punch other than floor punch. And I think that alone is proof of what a breath of fresh air floor punch must have been, was and is. Did you take issue with anything on our 90s bracket?

[Mark Porter]

No.

[Bo]

Tell us how. Tell us how good we did.

[Mark Porter]

Yeah, no, I mean, I had no problem getting. We got knocked up by mad ball. Right? I mean, you can. And who would argue that? I mean, Mad ball.

[Colin]

I figured you'd be okay. I figured if you didn't, you'd be like, what are you doing, guys?

[Mark Porter]

First time I saw Freddie was at City Gardens singing for agnostic front in 1988. You know, it was one of my first. Might have been my. Actually my. One of my first shows in City Gardens, maybe second or third show and it's just.

[Colin]

Yeah, that's the guy.

[Mark Porter]

Yeah. I mean, AFC crown prince. Yeah. I mean, think about the lineage there. You know what I mean? It's like getting. Literally getting handed the keys to the Cadillac. Like it's one, two.

[Bo]

Exactly. Well, speaking of. Was 10 yard fight on our bracket. I believe they're on that bracket.

[Colin]

They were. Yeah. That's the only other one.

[Bo]

So that's what I was going to say.

[Colin]

Even remotely close now.

[Bo]

I was shocked to find out. I thought floor plans Floor punch predated tenure fight by a bit for some reason in my mind. And I was shocked to find out that it Was really similar, really close. Right around the same time. How do you explain this zeitgeist of. Of similar mindsets happening in scenes away at the same time?

[Mark Porter]

Well, I got it the Shout Out Mouthpiece because they. They never stopped doing this, you know, Albeit different from Floor Punch. Yeah, but you know, we were judged. They were instead which is all cut from the same cloth, so you know what I mean?

[Colin]

That's a different part of the shirt, you know.

[Mark Porter]

Yeah, exactly, exactly. But they were doing it the whole time. Like they never compromised, you know, even like their later stuff when it got a little more melodic, it was still hardcore, but you also had. In the background. People seem to forget you had Cornerstone. You know, that was 94 and maybe even late 93. You know, they going to see Cornerstone shows were a lot of fun, you know, they were good. They played great hardcore. And I think Fast Break might predate Floor Punch. Am I right?

[Bo]

I think so.

[Mark Porter]

I think they do. I'm sure they do.

[Colin]

It just sounds like everybody had had it at the same time.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin]

And a revolution came.

[Mark Porter]

It did happen very quick because you had the Pennsylvania bands. You had Rancor.

[Bo]

Right?

[Mark Porter]

Right. You had. You had Hands tied come shortly, like maybe 97, 98, mouthpiece, cornerstone, fast Break. You had smaller bands. The Uprise from Jersey, not the Uprise from Delaware. Who were the Skinheads? Who else? Who else do we have? There's more. I'm just drawing a blank.

[Bo]

There were the Boston bands. In My Eyes.

[Mark Porter]

Oh yeah. In My Eyes. A little later. That was 98. You know, in My Eyes came in, you know, Pete, energetic frontman. You know, they had like an all star lineup. Pappalardo, Damien. Those dudes are great. You know. And you know, and you know, you know, like, as being in bands, it's competitive, right?

[Bo]

In. In like usually the healthiest way and sometimes not. Yeah.

[Mark Porter]

Yes. So this was healthy because we were all helping each other.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Mark Porter]

You know, In My Eyes got big really quick, you know what I mean? And it was good, you know, I. But it was competitive, you know what I mean?

[Colin]

Like a similar situation to you where it was like this dude who's been around forever's first band, you know, so let's make it really good for him.

[Mark Porter]

Yeah, I mean, their. Their first record was a good record, you know, their demo was good, you know, good, good T shirts, you know. Good. I was cool. Yeah.

[Colin]

So a week after the first Floor Punch practice, Clear changes and the intro are all done.

[Mark Porter]

Yeah, it was fast.

Pretty sure I wrote all the demos lyrics in like one Night.

I was living in my mom's house still before I moved to New York and just listening to the Breakdown demo and judge 7 inch or judging NYU over and over, just as you can tell, you know?

[Colin]

Yeah, sure, it shows. I mean, it shows in that like you're the guy for a reason. It is your first time writing lyrics, your first time writing patterns, doing anything vocally at all, and you define the next 30 years of your identity as an artist in one night.

[Mark Porter]

That better be the loosest interpretation. I always tell people I'm no artist. Believe me, I'm no artist. I'm no artist.

[Colin]

You are, dude. Whether you like it or not, this is art. I got a book about you. All my friends have a book about you.

[Mark Porter]

Yes, it's true.

[Bo]

That's true.

[Colin]

It's art. So you did in a week. You said earlier. The Floor Punch mission statement is immediately defined musically as well. How do you, as a fan of the genre, a non musician singing for the first time, react to just hearing these songs?

[Mark Porter]

I was always involved with the writing process because I knew what I liked. Not writing, but listening and being like, let's do this. Slow this down, speed this up. Arranging. Yeah, I knew what I liked. And there's four Punch songs that I'm not crazy about, and they made it through the cracks and they're on the records, but we didn't play them live too much. But yeah, I mean, hearing the intro, you know, obviously I lifted my bust from the Maximum Penalty demo, right? Jimmy says that same bust, right?

[Colin]

Printed it in the lyric sheet. I love that.

[Mark Porter]

Yeah, the demo, that MP demo is amazing, you know.

And you know, the release intro, this four punch release intro, I'm sure you guys as guitar players, like, those are very similar. And like, just if you rearrange them, it's like, it's kind of like Panty Raid. Like, Let It Ride is Panty Raid played backwards.

[Colin]

I'm told that's how you do it, man.

[Mark Porter]

You know what I mean? So, yeah, yeah. So I was psyched, you know, Changes to me is, you know, Changes. No exceptions.

Not for me. Not for me. Those are my three favorites. But Changes is just that baseline. Like, Zev always had the best bass tone. I mean, I remember we played a show with Sick of It all or Someone, and literally Zeb gets a call at his house about Craig, asking Zeb about his base tone.

[Bo]

Whoa.

[Mark Porter]

Whose story? I'm not lying. Zeb was like, you ever heard the Straight Ahead lp? Obviously he has, you know, he's like, that's what I'm going for. You know what I mean?

[Bo]

Yeah. So I. I was obviously going to ask you your preferred tracks. I'm very happy to hear you say no Exceptions. I prefer the second ver. The second recording of it because the drum fills are a little cooler. But the sample is on the first one and the Sam. Like, there was a period of time in the Harm's Way van where if that came on, everyone had to like, we all moshed in the van. Like, it was like no matter what, you know. And I have such fondness connected to that. That song in particular and being 18 and on tour for the first time. So I'm very happy to hear you say that. That that's meaningful.

[Mark Porter]

I mean, that that bass sounds so good right after that sample. It just works like. And, you know, it was kind of like when Blood For Blood would play Paper Gangster. Like, all the hardest dudes come out in mosh because they had to prove they weren't paper gangsters. But kind of. Kind of like no Exceptions did that for, like, people who didn't like Floor Punch.

[Colin]

They made an exception.

[Mark Porter]

Yeah, they made an exception for four Punch with that song, you know, because it was a little harder, you know. But yeah, I mean, that changes. Yeah. And no Exceptions.

[Colin]

And you talk about bass, you talk about track. Real track one on the. On the. On the record bass thing. Opening it up. That's breakdown demo. You're immediately putting it on your sleeve of like, guys, this is exactly what we're doing. And people immediately connect with it before the demo is even out. Yeah, when you play your first show, young people are getting together. They're showing up. They got the shirts on already. Do you have shirts at the first show?

[Mark Porter]

I don't think first show, but definitely like second and third.

[Bo]

The blue and white.

[Mark Porter]

The blue and white. Myself and Dan Hornecker printed them at the Equal Vision warehouse in Manhattan before they moved upstate.

[Colin]

Before you were on Equal Vision too?

[Mark Porter]

Before you were on Equal Vision? Yeah, you know what I mean? And Dan and I printed them and then we did the red ones shortly thereafter. The red and black. And you know, that, you know, youth crew aesthetic merch is important. You know, we definitely. I wanted to rip the Raw Deal, no More Game shirt with the NY Raw Deal NJ Floor Punch. And you know, the box logo in the back strip. Floor Punch, New Jersey, Straight Edge. You know, I want. That was all part of our mission statement. You know, there was that buzz. First show, it was packed. I couldn't believe it. You know what I mean? That was the first time I ever sang other than like in a practice space, you know, and no music out to the public, nothing. Covers. I think we did.

[Bo]

I was just gonna say you did. I want, I want a psa. I think every band for as long as they're opening need to play a cover or two.

[Colin]

Do a cover to at least one, maybe even four.

[Bo]

Like, what are you doing? Just do it. It's. It will only ever help. Ever. It'll never hurt, you know?

[Mark Porter]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, especially as like a newer band, right?

[Bo]

As a new band.

[Mark Porter]

Yeah, that helps. I mean that's like you said like a psa, like if you're an up and coming band, like play a cover that someone everyone wants to hear and they're going to check you out just because they're going to be in there hearing their favorite song.

[Colin]

That's also just a declaration of, hey, this is. Here's what we like.

[Bo]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Colin]

Here's the shirt I got on from this band I love. And here's. Here's this song we're gonna play.

[Bo]

Here's. What was it? YouTube today?

Yeah. Think it. Straight as one. And what was the third one?

[Mark Porter]

Safe in a Crowd.

[Bo]

Safe in a crowd, yeah, for sure.

[Mark Porter]

Yeah.

[Colin]

Oh, yeah. The signs, right?

[Bo]

Yeah, the signs. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Mark Porter]

The only picture that John didn't put in the book, which isn't, you know, I think I might have show showed you, is it's a picture of one of the cue cards with, you know, you know, an insensitive slang on it. But, you know, it was tongue in cheek and you know, it was there like to say like, here, like this is the chorus of the song. It's gonna offend you. We don't give a fuck. You know, and that's what was going on. But you know, the caveat, that floor punch, like doing well from the jump was there was a lot of haters from the jump too.

[Bo]

Yeah. Tumultuous.

[Mark Porter]

Yeah.

[Colin]

Was that because of just what the, what the culture had become with the vegan stews and the no mashing and whatnot.

[Mark Porter]

I think it was like the older heads being like, I've been there, done that, like too cool for school kind of. You know what I mean?

[Colin]

Because you're playing capital H hardcore and they're. And like every capital H hardcore band, if they make a second record, it's barely a hardcore record.

[Mark Porter]

Yeah. And you know, this is the time dudes were like swing dancing, you know what I mean? That was like a big deal, you know, and like hardcore Was weird. And, you know, I've said it in the last two. Book event. Like, I did just didn't read another book signing. Not book signing. Wrong term. Like a book event.

[Colin]

Record release. A book record.

[Mark Porter]

Yeah. Believe me, there was no signing. And, you know, I've come to grips that, like, you know, like, with Earth Crisis and us, like, we. We fucked up. We were all on the same team, and we should have played shows together, because it would have been bananas. I mean, they were bigger than us.

[Colin]

Well, you did.

[Mark Porter]

Yeah, we did. Yeah, exactly.

[Colin]

But it should have been.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin]

A universal straight edge.

[Mark Porter]

Like, in hindsight, we were all on the same team. You know what I mean?

[Colin]

Wow.

[Mark Porter]

Yeah. Do you.

[Bo]

So what? Like, you said it first, so I'm just gonna ask. Do you. How soon or how recently did you hear the term? Are you floor punch straight edge or Earth Crisis straight edge. Like, how immediately divisive. Divisive was that?

[Mark Porter]

I didn't hear that term till later on.

[Colin]

Okay.

[Mark Porter]

Like, the Richmond dudes would say it like. Like, you know, Thomas from Richmond, and they go, thomas was Earth Crisis straight edge. And, like, J. Rollins was floor punch straight edge. And, like, that's when I really first heard the term, like, later on. But it was truth to that, you know, because, like, you had, like, the baggy jeans, headband, blonde hair, short dreads, you know, big T shirt scene. That was like the earthquake. And you could tell who was who.

[Bo]

Sure.

[Mark Porter]

And you. You would mix more. I feel like more them coming to us than our guys going to them. We're a little older, you know what I mean? Like, we liked what we liked. You know what I mean? You know, the whole throwing yogurt at Earth Crisis thing, you know, that wasn't us, you know what I mean? Like, I'm not saying, like, it's some horrible thing. It was. It was a thing that happened. It was funny. But, you know, it was. Sean McCabe was, like, the leader of that Rest in Peace, you know what I mean? Good dude. Singer of Crud Singer, you know, Dagger Ink and Dagger, you know, good dude. Funny as hell. And, you know, that's kind of like, popped it off while Floor Punch dudes are throwing yogurt at Earth Crisis. You know, we were there and laughing.

I didn't have any yogurt on my hands.

[Colin]

But meanwhile, Pat, your buddy Pat, is wearing the fur coat while Sean's doing this. So it's like, is there some great conspiracy happening, or are these separate minds who just happen to do these things at the same time?

[Mark Porter]

So Pat was Vegan. And it was a fake fur coat.

[Bo]

Oh, he was vegan.

[Mark Porter]

Oh, yeah.

[Colin]

But did Carl really say get him? Yes, from stage.

[Mark Porter]

Yeah. And he got. You know, it was another one of those things, like he got jumped, but nothing happened. You know what I mean?

[Colin]

Right.

[Mark Porter]

But, you know, that's kind of wiggled.

[Bo]

Out like Bugs Bunny.

[Colin]

Let's talk about this. Let's break it down. Now that we've. We're talking Earth Crisis, you know, let's. Let's break it down. Can you tell me. Break it down the. What's been referred to my whole life as the Earth Crisis floor punch yogurt insert incident, we've now come to learn, is more the Earth Crisis in Can Dagger yogurt incident. But if you could break down this incident from your perspective, I think it would be great.

[Mark Porter]

I don't know what led. Well, you know what? It's funny, because I'll give Earth Crisis this. They were catching a lot of slack, way more than we were. You know what I mean? Because they really wore that shit on their sleeves. You know what I mean? Like, they did, and they preached it, and they. So I remember. I wasn't really familiar with Earth Crisis, but I remember our first show was with Earth Crisis. Human Remains Bug Out Society. Ensign Bug Out Society bought, like.

Two dozen white castles to throw at Earth Crisis before they even played, you know, your first show, for our first show.

[Colin]

So it's just. This just constantly happened to them.

[Mark Porter]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Colin]

You know, for saying we don't eat animals.

[Mark Porter]

I don't remember it happening, but I remember hearing that it was gonna happen. And I definitely didn't watch Earth Crisis. I might've been, like, out in the back playing soccer or something. I don't know. But, yeah. So, you know, I don't know what brought the Philly guys, like, if they had an actual beef, to do it, or just like, hey, like, Sean was that kind of guy. He was a funny, like, energetic character. You know what I mean? But what led up to him doing that? I'm not quite sure.

[Colin]

And, I mean, it got pinned on you for 20 years.

[Mark Porter]

Yeah. And it wasn't us, you know? No. No one in the band. You know, other dudes are unplugging their equipment. But I think just kind of when, like, everyone kind of puffed their chest out a little when Pac got jumped and, like, just. We were, like, in the mix of that. You know what I mean?

[Bo]

Yeah, sure.

[Colin]

And then Carl's saying, hey, if you try to fight me, I'll stab you to People allegedly. Pretty cool.

[Mark Porter]

That is cool. I don't remember. I don't remember that, but.

[Colin]

Yeah, but I see. So that stickman from Fury 5 was also there and backed Earth Crisis, which, if I'm new, I'm like, fuck. Devo just showed up and ended this.

[Mark Porter]

You know, big man, OG Ass beater.

[Colin]

Straight up.

[Mark Porter]

Yeah.

[Colin]

The king of ass beatings.

[Mark Porter]

I mean, I remember. I remember when he was. Before he. I, you know, did some time in jail and came out jacked, like, when he was smaller, you know, because he's a few years older than me, but he was always around. He had another brother. He had a brother Gary as well, that was involved in hardcore, you know, And I never, you know, the whole, like, you know, I'm not gonna say there was, like, Fury five floor Punch beef, because there wasn't. But, like, you know, there was, like, some noise by people that followed us and, like, friends of theirs, but, you know, they practiced in the same studio sometimes the same nights as us. You know what I mean? So if Stickman wanted to come over and, like, you know, he had. You know, he had his chances. So it was never really like that. You know what I mean? I'd seen him in years past, you know, and, you know, we're both older dudes. We've both been around. You know what I mean? I've seen OG Jersey.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Mark Porter]

And I saw him do some cool shit when I was a kid.

[Colin]

So I always knew he invented the. Arguably the greatest mosh move of all time.

[Bo]

Yeah, the Stick Man.

[Colin]

And it's just his name.

[Mark Porter]

Yeah. I mean, I can remember him just at a club called the Fast Lane, just whooping ass when I was a kid. You know what I mean? Yeah, he was intimidating.

[Bo]

Well, I had a. I had something about the second and possibly third or soon thereafter, Christmas floor Punch show where you. It seems like you gave Tim Shaw, like, an existential crisis about the meteoric growth of the band because you're immediately.

[Colin]

Playing after them and just.

[Bo]

And destroying, you know.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Mark Porter]

So we had. Did a weekend, you know, Ensign, you know, they were friends. We were. We were friends with guys and Ensign and. But Tim was like, he, you know, had him having roadied for Sick of It all and, like, being friends with, like, New York guys. Like, he wanted to have this band, like, be like, his way out. Not like maybe like in life, but, you know, he wanted this band to be his. His deal.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Mark Porter]

And none of us were going for that. You know, we were just like, we're just trying to have fun, you Know what I mean? So we did a weekend with them. And I remember Tim and I had flipped a coin, like, who headlines which day?

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Mark Porter]

So we lost, and we wound up headlining in Virginia Beach. Smaller show. But then the next show was that you did Today Fest, holding the Candy Cane, where basically every youth crew band played. And it was packed and we played and it was bananas. Like, I remember the Boston dudes were down. Just. I remember Pa Pa and walk from one PA to the other, like, not even touching this. This kid, Ray Lamar.

[Colin]

That's the dream.

[Mark Porter]

Yeah, Like, Boston dude.

[Colin]

That's why we do it. That's the end goal of head walking, Right?

[Mark Porter]

Yeah. So then Henson played after us, and it was like crickets. I remember him, like, breaking an lp, like, why does no one like us? And we just, like, oh, sorry. You know, like, you know, we were friendly. We were obviously friends. But of course, I think you played.

[Colin]

More shows with Ensign than any other band could be.

[Mark Porter]

Yeah.

[Colin]

Looking at the book. It's like every other flyer, dude, it's like.

[Bo]

It's like Ensign and Saves the Day. It's like. That's like the next one. Which we'll get there.

[Mark Porter]

I have questions. I'll put at your funeral on. And, like, my daughter will be in the car. I'd be like, we used to play with these guys. They played before us.

[Bo]

Yeah, they opened.

[Mark Porter]

Yeah. She didn't believe it, you know, that's like a real song, you know.

[Colin]

Pardon this interruption. You know damn well we hate to interrupt this unbelievable episode with one of the greatest Straight Edge frontmen of all time. But what do we got today, Bo?

[Mark Porter]

We got.

[Bo]

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[Colin]

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[Bo]

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[Colin]

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[Mark Porter]

Boy, do we.

[Colin]

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[Bo]

There you go.

[Colin]

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[Mark Porter]

Yep.

[Bo]

Yep, it's time.

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[Mark Porter]

Running out of time.

[Colin]

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[Bo]

Enjoy.

[Colin]

All right, now it's time to get this demo out. Tell us about your experience recording the Floor Punch demo with a dude named.

[Mark Porter]

A Lot Moman in his house, maybe in the garage or like downstairs, like a split level house, and get out one day, I think it was instruments one day, vocals the next, if I remember correctly. Yeah, it was the first time. You know what? And it really freaked me out. Singing loud with no music. Like hearing myself yell the lyrics with no, like, live it me up. Like, I didn't. I had never experienced that.

[Bo]

Yeah, right.

[Mark Porter]

Then you really know what you sound like.

[Colin]

Yes.

[Bo]

Sound good.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Mark Porter]

When we play, I'm always a turn the vocals down in the monitor kind of guy.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Mark Porter]

You know, I'm low vocals, but.

[Colin]

So your shit's gone by the end of the set.

[Mark Porter]

Yeah, but I prefer that. And then when I was hearing myself yell, I was like, oh, boy. And then it came out good, you know, I mean, it was cool, I can tell you.

[Colin]

I know I speak for myself. I speak for Beau. I speak for every Floor Punch fan on earth. That intro change is clear as a 1, 2, 3 punch on a demo is like, yeah, this is one of the greatest bands in history, obviously. And I think one of the most impressive things about the demo is how well structured it is. It's those three to get you ripping right off the bat. You got a six second palate cleanser. You got two more big all time bangers. This song about your best friend, who's still your best friend and was the best man.

[Mark Porter]

Tolerate.

[Colin]

Right?

[Mark Porter]

Tolerate, yeah. Then going to get yours big crucified.

[Colin]

Closer, you know, and it's not lifelong musicians intentionally pacing a record. It's students of the game who love hardcore doing something similar to all the bands that they love purely on instinct. Do you go back and revisit this demo and do you. Are you impressed with what you guys have done?

[Mark Porter]

I think I never listen ever. But I. I remember when there was a time. I mean, this is kind of weird, but like to say like on a floor Punch episode. But like, I almost kind of like World War 4 songs. A little more little, little more grimy, little more like Breakdown, Like Demise, like occupied territory style. You know what I mean?

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin]

When you're older, you know.

[Mark Porter]

Yeah. Then the floor Push songs are great. The songs that I love, I love, but I rarely go back and visit. But when I did hear the demo, I was psyched. I was psyched to share it with people and watch the reaction because that's what, you know, that's when I kind of knew. Playing it for a couple like, like Tim McMahon from Matthew said, yo, dudes are going to like this, I guarantee it. Like, don't worry about it.

[Bo]

That was something that was brought up in the book. I don't remember if it was you who said it or someone else who says, like, it was a different time. You couldn't send a link and get a live feedback. You had to get someone there. And I do remember doing that in our early days, like playing it on the car stereo for sure. But I guess I didn't even think about the fact that you. You have to physically get someone somewhere and be like, listen to this for 15 minutes, please.

[Mark Porter]

Yeah, like you should page in like Jordan from no Warning now. Because we did the same thing at a Boston show. I was like, yo, listen to this. Napalm Death. Listen to this. Bolt Row. This is ripping corpse like the same. Just like showing mosh parts, you know what I mean? And that's something like he'll tell you. Like I remember it and. But yeah, that was like. It was like there was no sharing. Is like, here, check this cassette out. But I need it back. So let's go listen to it in the car. You know what I mean?

[Colin]

The master.

[Mark Porter]

Yeah, there's only One copy. So you can't take it in the.

[Colin]

In the first promo for this demo, there's a. There's text on the top that says, do you remember Hardcore? Well, we do. This is seven years after the spirit of 88. The great resurgence. Resurgence. Eight years later, basically.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin]

Hardcore is already something that in your mind needs to be revived. Like the original intention and musical sound of hardcore. What was the immediate response to this demo? Do you think that you achieved your goal to you and that the audience looked at it as, like, finally something for us again?

[Mark Porter]

Yes. So there was that feeling of a breath of fresh air. Right. The shows from the jump were packed. Even like, second show, third show, DC Sean McCabe, 315 house. Where, like, those dudes live. We played their house and it was packed, like in the living room, you know, Middlesex. You know, Obviously we weren't to draw because the bigger bands played, but it was bananas when we played and everyone was up front, you know, the buzz was there, the demos were flying. T shirts flying. You know, when even, like, later, when the seven inch came out flying, like, you couldn't, you know, going to show in D.C. with. I think that was the D.C. might have been the first show we had demos at and just gone.

[Bo]

Yes. 75 were printed, I think it said. And they were gone within an hour.

[Mark Porter]

Yep. Which in, you know. You know, in the days of, like, sound scans and everything else, which is not small, but you're buying a cassette tape, which is like.

[Colin]

But, dude, I sold 75 shirts or 75 cassettes at a show today. I'd be like, yeah, we crushed.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Mark Porter]

Yeah, absolutely. Yeah.

[Colin]

Did you get any flack for the lyrics to clear right away?

[Mark Porter]

Yeah. Oh, it's corny. You know. Then you had, like, the dudes, like, oh, like, no sympathy for, like, any kind of actual addict. Like, I pray to God you OD on that. You know what I mean? Like, that kind of stuff, you know. The only one that hurt. That hurt was when. When Pushead Brett sent Push Head the demo and plus said is like, yo, this is great, but the lyrics are too much. He's like, what's this dude? He's like, what's this dude's problem? I was so sad, man, because I love Septic Death. And obviously the artwork is just like. Yeah. And he wanted. We actually. Even after he said that, I think plus More was. Was gonna put out one of our records.

[Colin]

Really?

[Mark Porter]

Yeah.

[Colin]

Even with that in mind, 100%.

[Mark Porter]

Yeah. It wasn't like he heard the lyrics, like, no, I don't want to do it, dude.

[Colin]

I think that is the best endorsement you could have gotten. That's like the Bill Cosby Eddie Murphy thing.

[Bo]

Yes.

[Mark Porter]

Yeah.

[Colin]

He's like, you can't say fuck, man. But it's like a parental advisory sticker from God.

[Mark Porter]

Yeah.

[Bo]

It's the artwork that's too extreme. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. That's crazy.

[Colin]

Awesome. That's the coolest possible thing.

[Bo]

The letter in his handwriting in the Puss Head handwriting is very cool, dude.

[Mark Porter]

Yeah.

[Bo]

Something. Something you got to get the book to see, I guess.

[Mark Porter]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, that was. That. That one hurt. I remember Brad's like, you're not going to like this. And I was like, oh, you know, dude.

[Colin]

But I would have taken that as the biggest bet. You should wear that as a badge of honor.

[Bo]

That should be on the back of a shirt.

[Colin]

That should too extreme for Puss Head.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin]

Floor Punch logo.

[Mark Porter]

Welcome to Pussmore Records.

[Colin]

That's right. The first time you guys played Philly, you showed up to a One Life Crew show with gear and asked if you could play. And Haperd didn't show up, therefore you did.

[Mark Porter]

Yeah, yeah, True. I don't have many memories of that show, but that is true. We weren't even on the bill. We just showed up with equipment Hardcore. It was at the church. I don't remember anything about the show, but that being said, Philly was always great to us.

[Colin]

Good. Yeah, you're right there.

[Mark Porter]

Yeah.

[Bo]

It's a hell of a load in, too, to take a gamble on.

[Mark Porter]

Yeah.

[Bo]

Those stuff.

[Mark Porter]

Yeah.

[Bo]

It's not easy.

[Colin]

Oh, you brought gear, huh?

[Mark Porter]

Yeah.

[Colin]

Bring it on down. How often at this point are you regularly just playing local shows in New Jersey?

[Mark Porter]

Know the book. I mean, as being in a band like Four Punch didn't play that many shows. Right.

[Colin]

I feel like they're all in there.

[Bo]

I mean.

[Mark Porter]

Yeah. I mean, there's a bunch, but we were only a band from right, the end of 95, basically, to very early 99. So that's. What if you do that things less than four years. Right. So can. You know, because the final mosh was a few months after we got back and like six months back.

[Colin]

Right.

[Mark Porter]

But we were trying to, like, hop on what we could, but we were picking and choosing to. I remember we got asked to play a show with like, Baby Go, Paul, Shelter, and I remember we played it and I was so mad. I was like, I want to play this. We were picking and choosing is what I'm saying. Yeah. I want. I only really wanted to Play some bands, have a mission. Like, we want to play up. We want people to see us. We want to get big. That was never our deal, you know what I mean? We just wanted to play with who we liked, you know? Like, we liked Blood for Blood. We liked Death Threat. We wanted to play with Blood for Blood and Death Threat, you know, and we didn't care. They liked. You know, we know those guys liked us, like, the band. But, you know, those are like, the crowds we wanted to play for, you know, like, we wanted to play and, like, those bands. I wanted to play with those bands, you know, like, we were, like, kind of selective, but, yeah, we were playing, like, if there was, like, a youth crew revival genre show, we were always on it, you know, and they were good. They were always good.

[Bo]

Yeah. So in June 1, 1996, you guys tenure Fight play in Boston together. Was the first time that you played together. Did that feel like a. A thing or was it just a show?

[Colin]

Gathering of the Tribe.

[Bo]

Yeah. Was. Yeah. Was it a gathering or just a show?

[Mark Porter]

We became really good friends with all the Boston kids, but right. That weekend was still kind of new, like, from, like, There was like 97, 98. We were up there every weekend hanging out, you know, hanging on Newberry street, hanging with the dudes. Like, the Yankee sucks dudes. This is a little before Yankee Sucks, but, like, all those kids were with, like, our crew that went out to do that, so. But yeah. Not remember a girl. Lynn. Lynn. Blood for Blood. Drummer's wife. Mike Mahoney. Lynn Mahoney booked that show.

[Colin]

Okay.

[Mark Porter]

And you didn't really have the. You knew, like, tenure fight was doing their thing, and we were doing our thing, and it was kind of like that. Okay. It wasn't like. It wasn't like a big, like, you know, like, not like that Yuletide fest where, like, every band was on the bill and it was like, you. That was it. You know what I mean?

[Colin]

Is there a single Floor Punch show that comes to mind other than the final mosh that sticks out as, like, the best show or the moment where you thought you guys had, like, truly achieved the goal of Floor Punch?

[Mark Porter]

I would say the Chatham show. I think it's. I'm not sure who else was on the bill. Probably Mouthpiece and a few other bands, but there was probably 800.

[Colin]

Probably Anson.

[Mark Porter]

It was a big show that might have been, like, by the Grace of God show.

[Bo]

Oh, yeah. Oh, yes. Yeah. Right.

[Mark Porter]

Yeah. So that show, because there was 800 kids there and everyone watched this, and it was Bananas. You know, some shows, like the Princeton Arts Council was another venue, like in South Princeton University, where, I'm sorry, the mic went out and I just sang without a mic, but the whole room was singing. Like, those are like those moments when you feel like, holy cow. You know what I mean?

[Colin]

Like, you're literally minor threat in that moment.

[Mark Porter]

Yeah. Even like playing the Super bowl in D.C. in like 98, I think it was when they had like the two stages, like back to like, you know, war Zone on this end. We're on this end and just a huge show and just people like going off, you know.

[Colin]

That sticks with you to this day.

[Mark Porter]

Yeah. Like, yeah, people. You know, Chatham was probably one of our best shows for sure, because it was just so crowded and everyone was going nuts. You know, Philly shows are always good. You know, the rat show. The rat show after Rabies died.

[Bo]

So that was. That's what's on my. My list here to ask you about. I want to list off who played the show because it's so crazy. It was.

Mad Ball Tenured fight, Reach the sky, Blood for Blood Floor, Punch in my eyes and all out war.

[Mark Porter]

Yes.

[Bo]

Three days, I think after Rabies died.

[Mark Porter]

Yeah. We learned as one. Well, the band did. I knew the lyrics on the car right up there. Like, those dudes just sat like guitar on me in the back of the van. And that's why we opened up with.

[Bo]

It and you opened up with it and someone describes it in the book. It's like from the first second, it was some of the craziest energy and. And vibe. What do you. What do you remember from that show specifically? It's one of the craziest flyers I've actually ever seen.

[Mark Porter]

Yeah. I mean, packed the rat, like, legendary CBGBs of Boston kind of venue, you know.

[Bo]

Kenmore Square. Yeah.

[Mark Porter]

Damp, dark, perfect stage. Small, you know, Boston, seedy town. Like heads there that you could you up, you know what I mean? Like, and, you know, we were a straight edge band, but, you know, even dudes, like, everyone was marching for that and that, you know, that was like the. You know, again for a new band using the COVID that got everyone. You know, the set was just bananas. It was a great show. And rabies had just died. It was like somber, you know, and I just, you know, paying respect to like an og, you know, that's all it was. You know, we didn't think of, like, we didn't have any angle towards it. It's just what we wanted to do. You know what I mean? Of Course.

[Bo]

I mean, those. Those spur of the moment covers. Like. Oh, let's do it. Let's just do it. Just do it. Those are the, like, some of the best things that I remember.

[Colin]

Every one I've ever done.

[Bo]

Yeah, exactly.

[Colin]

Because pulling it off is, like, just as satisfying.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Mark Porter]

Trying to. I'm going on my gram now. I want to show you the. The one picture I have in my story from that show.

[Bo]

Okay.

[Mark Porter]

A guy got beaten with a fan at that show.

[Bo]

Yeah. A metal fan.

[Mark Porter]

An industrial fan. An industrial metal fan. And he, like, walked out of there and was, like, kind of stoked on what had happened to him, you know.

[Colin]

He's a big fan. Of what?

[Bo]

Huge. He's a huge metal fan.

[Mark Porter]

Okay. I found the picture.

[Bo]

Oh, yeah, they got him. Yeah, he bloodied.

[Colin]

Yeah, they got him good.

[Mark Porter]

Yeah. So that happened at the show. That happened, I think during Mad Ball, maybe.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Mark Porter]

And sure. You know, all that war so heavy, you know, it was like reach the sky. Ian, a friend of the band, great dude. Always, like, so hospitable when we were up there. It was just. That was that. That's a top two or three show, for sure.

[Bo]

There we go.

[Mark Porter]

Glad I remembered. For sure.

[Bo]

So speaking of rabies, something I always. I always try to ask the generations before me, because I've. I can never find a concise answer. Why construction gloves?

[Mark Porter]

Where.

[Bo]

What did it come? What was the purpose? Where did it come from?

[Mark Porter]

And chains around their waists.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Mark Porter]

I mean, you know, why they're using those chains to beat people up.

[Bo]

That makes sense to me.

[Mark Porter]

Construction gloves, I don't know. But I rocked that style for a while. Mine said X is on one knuckle and shore on the other. You know what I mean?

[Bo]

I know, I know Roger did. I know Ray did. Obviously. I've seen Mike Judge did, you know.

[Colin]

I know blue collar boys who were at work one day and they were like, this is sick. I gotta do something with it.

[Bo]

I've heard that it was so that, like, you didn't have to go to work with an ax on your hand the next day. If you worked at a place that maybe that wouldn't work. You know, I've heard it was for. So your knuckles wouldn't get as bloody if you were using them, you know?

[Mark Porter]

And I just.

[Bo]

I would love the. Everything else we have an answer to. This is the one mystery I haven't.

[Colin]

Just looks sick.

[Mark Porter]

Yeah, it does. It looks great there. I mean, I rocked him for a while. I mean, too. And. But I remember I'm so Funny. Like, some of like the younger dudes would show up to floor patches. We were wearing like gardening gloves. Like cotton, like navy blue wrist white surgical gardening gloves. That's not the look. Yeah. Make do with what you have.

[Colin]

Sometimes you got to put on the dishwashing glove and head to the show.

[Mark Porter]

But when you talk about construction gloves and chains. Another core memory, being at an early show at CBs and seeing Jorge from Marauder out front with mid calf jean shorts and his belt was just an extension cord.

See? Core memory. I remember seeing this dude with a castle tattoo and his. His belt was a extension cord.

[Colin]

Like, is this Pre Master Killer?

[Mark Porter]

Like see this lamp here?

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Mark Porter]

That was. That was his way pre. This is like probably 1989.

[Colin]

Oh, wow.

[Mark Porter]

Okay. Yeah, he was bouncing. He was like working the door at CB's.

[Bo]

Okay. Yeah.

[Colin]

Unbelievable. You heard it here. All right. Division one champs. Even people in the photo thought it sounded like too jock of an album title. And you're embracing it. As you said earlier, you're doing it intentionally. Tell me about recording this landmark 7 inch. Deciding what songs to re record and the reaction to it.

[Mark Porter]

Yeah. As I said, not being an artist or a musician earlier, I, you know, my input as far as the re recording was very minimal.

[Colin]

Okay.

[Mark Porter]

You know what I mean? I, you know, I knew I'd like no exceptions. We knew we had the hits and they had to go on here in like a different medium. You know what I mean?

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Mark Porter]

But as far as anything else that would. I'm being just full transparency. Like the band would have better idea about that.

[Colin]

Okay. Okay. Okay. I mean, I think you picked the right song. So they were right.

[Mark Porter]

Yeah. I mean, what do we have? Not for me on there. Shotzi. Right.

[Colin]

Is that what else isn't. Isn't changes on there again?

[Mark Porter]

Changes. Yep. No exceptions.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Mark Porter]

Oh, man. It's crazy when you don't even know.

[Bo]

Well, yeah, it just. I. I forget which one is on which. I know them all.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Bo]

Don't know which one.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Mark Porter]

How.

[Colin]

What's the reaction to it? Like.

[Mark Porter]

That was Peak floor punch. Okay. 96. 97. We had the new shirts out. You know the floor punch 96 shirts with the. The Changes lyrics on the back. The live shot from the 7 inch CBs. Yeah. Like that was. Was Peak Floor Punch.

[Colin]

No Exceptions is like advanced HC songwriting 101, dude. This is. This is as good as it gets. Is this a song you're involved with musically in terms of like, where the writing or is this something you're hearing and the band just brings it to you.

[Mark Porter]

I think Zeb just had that bass line.

[Colin]

God damn.

[Mark Porter]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Colin]

What's your reaction to hearing this song?

[Mark Porter]

I was a fan immediately. Yeah. Because that's, you know, I always had a friend. It would be like, oh, I got this new demo you're not gonna like. It doesn't sound like Breakdown. Well, you know, no exception. Sounds like a Breakdown song.

[Bo]

Sounds like it goes and it goes. Mosh three, which we've talked about before. There's the. There's the. The, like, youth crew beat where you're still singing, then the build up and then the. No, no, no. Where it goes. That's Mosh 3, which is scientifically proven and studied on this show. To be in the sweet spot of. Of Mosh speeds.

[Colin]

Three is where you want to be.

[Bo]

That's where you want to be.

[Colin]

Tm.

So great job.

[Bo]

So great job. This is your accolade for most, I'm.

[Mark Porter]

Sure I brought nothing to the table.

[Colin]

If the. If it wasn't as good vocally as it was musically, it wouldn't be the same.

[Mark Porter]

Yeah.

[Colin]

But it's. It's a.

[Mark Porter]

It's a part.

[Colin]

It's a masterpiece.

[Bo]

Something you. You briefly cleared up for us, but obviously we didn't talk about it on the show yet. Is the great myth of this 7 inch on gold winding up in the water at the shore?

[Mark Porter]

No. So they wouldn't print an odd number of 88. There was 90 printed. Had the two unnumbered ones and the rest were distributed. So there were 90. 90 press. That's. That's. But the urban legend was we threw a dozen in the ocean.

[Bo]

Yeah, yeah. Like half of them in the ocean. Yeah, yeah.

[Colin]

I remember at one point, somebody was like, yo, floor, punch through 500 records in the ocean.

These guys are nuts, man. But we gave them the ocean.

[Mark Porter]

We gave them away.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Mark Porter]

I don't even think Brett sold them. He was, like, kind of. Kind of selective, but, like, a lot of bozos got him too. You know what I mean? Like, people that aren't deserving, I think of.

[Colin]

Yeah, people have sold them. Dude, that sucks.

[Bo]

Yeah. I think I've only seen, like, two in my life. It's crazy.

[Mark Porter]

I got three in my basement.

[Colin]

Two unnumbered ones and one numbered one.

[Mark Porter]

I sold one unnumbered 87, 88, and unnumbered.

[Bo]

Oh, wow. Okay. So none wound up in the water. It's a pure.

[Colin]

He's got them.

[Bo]

Pyramid.

[Mark Porter]

Okay. Dave Sausage has one. I have the other.

[Colin]

Do you know who's got them at this point, there's, like, there. I know there's like a spreadsheet out there of who's got them.

[Mark Porter]

The rigid registry. It's not complete, but. Yeah, yeah.

[Bo]

So awesome.

[Colin]

If you're on the registry, comment your number below.

[Bo]

Yeah, yeah, the number below, please.

[Colin]

And we will. We will help finish the documentation for who has.

[Mark Porter]

That could help. Yeah. Because I. I know Brett has really tried to. He's very thorough and I know he's tried to do it, but, you know, I know some were lost. Like, the guy, Jerry from Jersey, his was lost, like a big flood in his basement. But I don't even know what number he had. But I think Zeb still has three.

[Bo]

Okay.

[Mark Porter]

King Shout. You know, the band still has them. Jeff. TDT.

[Colin]

These. These sell for up to upwards of like 1500 bucks. This is like Misfits 7 inch territory, which was crazy.

[Mark Porter]

It's crazy, right?

[Colin]

It's just good, right?

[Mark Porter]

Yeah, it's nuts.

[Colin]

So at this point, as a band seven inches out, and you're now consistently being asked to play with the bands and the people that inspired Floor Punch to start, how do you feel at the time about Jersey and New York legends embracing Floor Punch?

[Mark Porter]

Stoked, like, when, like, Murphy's Law wants us to play with them. And that's not even probably the band you're expecting me to say. But, yeah, I mean, it was awesome.

[Colin]

Like, and at that show, you're on the marquee and Hate Breed is not.

[Mark Porter]

Yeah. In Virginia Beach. Pretty cool. You know, Riptide Youth dude was fucking awesome. He would watch us play, like, Shredder had a cool restaurant in the city. I was living in New York at the time. I'd always see him there. Yeah, I mean, you know, we were funny. Like, you know, like, you would see, like, the characters at the shows. Like, I'd come. Absolutely. The guys I was giving my shirts to were like Gestapo and like, English Nick from ydl. Like, because to me, them wearing the shirt would be funnier than someone you'd expect to be wearing it. You know what I mean? And Gestapo wore his. And like, he's like, there's some zines and like, shit. Where he's wearing a navy blue Floor Punch, like, smorgasbord grip. It's funny. Yeah.

[Colin]

Can you tell me about the first time Floor Punch played with Breakdown?

That had to feel good.

[Mark Porter]

Yeah. And I think it was at CBs too.

[Colin]

That feels good.

[Mark Porter]

Then they became so. I feel like, you know, I can say this and not be embarrassed or ashamed, but I feel like, we helped Breakdown become big again, covering the shit out of them and. And riding for them in every interview, you know, and we became, you know, that 96 ERA was like Lou Beato, right, on drums, Dijon, Larry. Larry, right from Sub Zero, I think, on bass. And. And Jeff. And did they have a second guitar player?

[Bo]

I don't know.

[Mark Porter]

I don't think so. But Lou is. You know, we were friends with all of them. I mean, Larry was very quiet, but Lou, like, you know, was great. Dijon, you know, still have his number on my phone. Like, great dude. The best. Like, awesome dude. And Jeff was great, too. You know what I mean?

[Colin]

But, yeah, then they come back with maybe the sickest record a band can come back with, you know?

[Mark Porter]

Yeah, Blacklist is a great record, you know, I mean, I don't. I think people get a little fucking wild saying it's better than the demos. But I don't want to hear the.

[Colin]

Demo versus an EP, which to me is different classification because, you know, breakdown.

[Mark Porter]

87 demo is the pinnacle of.

[Colin]

It's the greatest hardcore demo.

[Mark Porter]

Yeah, interesting. Raw deal is amazing. But to me, Breakdown's better.

[Bo]

Interesting.

[Mark Porter]

It's. It's literally like God tier and lower God tier. You know what I mean?

[Colin]

It's the same. It's the same people on both demos, pretty much.

[Mark Porter]

Drago, right, Rich? Yeah. Yeah, they were like.

[Colin]

So they're. They're one and one.

Either way, you go same guys, let's. Let's break down. No pun intended. The Floor Punch versus Ensign football game.

[Mark Porter]

So we, you know, just being like, oh, floor puncher jocks. Ensign had something like. Ensign had a friend, Derek, who was like a college football player. He was, like, a good athlete and, like, might have been Derek's idea, like, oh, we'll play floor punch in football. And we, you know, I had one of my buddies come who was like, fringe hardcore dude. And like, people said, oh, he counts.

He heard Breakdown on the way up to. Way up to the game. You know what I mean? So they were like, crying foul, like, so we basically wiped them up. And I remember within, like.

[Colin]

But the score was 70.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Mark Porter]

Going by ones, though.

[Bo]

Oh, okay.

[Mark Porter]

It was 49. It was 49.

[Colin]

Oh, my God.

[Bo]

Okay.

[Mark Porter]

Pillaged them literally after the opening kickoff. So we're playing football for what, 10 seconds?

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Mark Porter]

I remember the singer of Strength being like, I'm going to get my gun. He's like, he just left.

Another Jersey band strength six.

[Colin]

So it's instantly just.

[Mark Porter]

It's a walloping, instant beef. Yeah. But, yeah, And I know. Yeah, it was. It was funny. There's pictures in the book, right?

[Bo]

Oh, yeah, the whole. The whole, like, breakdown, play by play.

[Colin]

There's, like. There's like, 13 accounts of this football.

[Mark Porter]

Game that those pictures. Like, that was like, one of the things, like, I got to give respect to shining light, that those pictures came in way late in the process.

They were like, time out. Don't press the book. Bring it back. We got to get these in there kind of thing. You know, I think a kid, Aaron, had those pictures who I, you know, I haven't heard from or seen in a million years.

[Colin]

Haven't mentioned that. Our buddy Tom B. Was. Was a big part of putting the book together visually.

[Mark Porter]

Yeah.

[Colin]

King of punk books.

[Bo]

Yeah. Really good at a man.

[Mark Porter]

Yeah. I mean, I'm. Like, I said I haven't read it, but I've perused and, you know, it's amazing. You know, I like, you know, I'm saving it. You know, Like, I don't want to.

[Bo]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Mark Porter]

I want to fall back on.

[Bo]

When I first got it and I was flipping through it, I didn't read it all right away. I flipped through it much like you, and then I got to the merch section at the end, and, like, it gave me chills to see everything.

You know, catalog and there's. And. And shown exactly how I want to see it. I want to see the tag. I want to see the. The cracking on the print and everything. How, like, how deliberate at. At this point now, like, after the demo, after the first shirt that you're. You're doing the raw deal thing, like, later on, how deliberate are the merch designs? How. How are you coming up? Good. Great answer. And how are you coming up with what you're doing?

[Mark Porter]

So we were fortunate enough to have a younger kid named Vince. Vince Klein or Bucket. He drew the floor punch masher. He drew the hooded guy. Do you remember Hardcore, what we do? So he was in our camp, and he drew that, like, to me, like, I'm gonna say famous, but, like, by famous, I mean loved, like, the moshing scene T shirt, the four months New Jersey with, like, the scene. Like, the skins diving, like the X fit, like the schism fist. I mean. Yeah, very intentional, very deliberate. You know, that's, you know, what we wanted. You know, like, think, like, the youth crew aesthetic, hard mosh scene chains. You know, that very even, like the floor punch play like a champion shirt with, like, you know, like the crew shirt with, like, the. The tag, you know, whatever it's called. The ringer. All deliberate. Classic college font. Notre Dame colorway. You know what I mean? Yeah. Like, we were very fortunate to have, like, probably the biggest east coast screen printer in our camp. Like, fpc. The kid, Jeff tdt, you know, he. He would just do it on his own. Like, hey, I did this. We're gonna sell him today. We've never even seen them, but, like, yo, that's sick. You know what I mean? Different colorways.

[Colin]

Like, he knew you got real lucky.

[Mark Porter]

Yeah, I mean, I'm sure he did well too, you know?

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Mark Porter]

You know, but, you know, we were like. People call us a merch band because T shirts were changing all the time, as you can see by that book. There's a ton of them.

[Bo]

You know, there's a ton of them, and it's crazy to see. You know what I love in all old pictures like this is you could see what band had just played, like a week prior because everyone's in the same instead shirt or something. You know, that. Or so much of that in. In this book. It's incredible.

[Colin]

It's also nice that one of Zach, who helped, one of the authors of the book, basically is one of the greatest hardcore T shirt collectors alive. Probably.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin]

How do you know how many of those are his?

[Mark Porter]

I don't, but I know that kid Rye filming from Philly. Ryan, of course, he has a crazy collection. I know a lot of them are his.

[Bo]

Okay.

[Mark Porter]

You know, I know a lot of them aren't mine. You know, my wife uses them as, like, night shirts. I have some OG ones around that are, like, paper thin, but.

[Colin]

Okay.

[Mark Porter]

I don't have much. You know, I do. So I do have a part. I do have a one of one, though. The Floor Punch. The Floor Punch crew with the ringer. But it's in a heather gray. It's the only one made.

[Bo]

Cool.

[Mark Porter]

It's somewhere in my. I could probably show you. It's in here somewhere.

[Colin]

Fall into shreds at this point, right? Yeah, for sure.

[Mark Porter]

No, no.

[Colin]

Oh, good.

[Bo]

Okay, good attack.

[Mark Porter]

Can we take a time out real quick?

[Colin]

Sure.

[Mark Porter]

I. I don't know if I can, but it's pretty much dead stock because it was my stepfather's. Like, he had it and he never wore it. Hold on.

[Colin]

Let's see.

[Mark Porter]

I subsequently found this one when I was just referencing with the mosh scene.

[Bo]

Yeah, there you go.

[Colin]

That was a flyer, right?

[Mark Porter]

Yes. Originally a flyer for a show with Killing Time and Mouthpiece, I think, at Obsessions in New Jersey.

[Colin]

And then Killing Time did not play because Anthony's dad had a dream that he died in New Jersey.

[Mark Porter]

That is the rumor, yes.

[Colin]

Wow. That's that good Italian superstition, that old country.

[Mark Porter]

Anthony Communail great dude, you know? Friend. Friend of the band. Amazing dude.

[Colin]

Absolutely.

[Bo]

We tell the story all the time. But Colin and I saw them. Well, you played, right, but we saw them in. In New York a couple years ago. And in between songs there was some technical. And Anthony was just talking about places he liked to eat in the neighborhood, listing off restaurants. But it was. He was like dead pants. Like, yeah, that place is pretty good. What else?

[Colin]

Yeah, the song would end, he'd be like, thank you so much. Mario's on. On 31st. It was incredible, dude. It was an hour. It was 52 minute set of that.

[Bo]

And then Killing Time songs was awesome.

[Colin]

Still got it.

[Mark Porter]

He's. Yeah, yeah. I mean, how good is Killing Time? You know what I mean?

[Colin]

Like top five.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Mark Porter]

I mean, you know, his voice is just amazing. You know.

What a voice. You know what I mean?

[Bo]

Look at the. Look at the. His stage presence in the last show.

[Colin]

Dude, he's pitting for an hour.

[Bo]

It's perfect.

[Mark Porter]

Yeah. Cargo pants, vans.

And a fucking. Maybe a sick of it. All right.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Mark Porter]

Underneath a flannel, like, come on, man.

[Colin]

Did you see that?

[Mark Porter]

That.

[Colin]

We saved that video.

[Mark Porter]

Yes. And another thing that kind of gave me chills, like recently, I forget what page it was. It was your personal. Or the Hard Door was the ball thrower video. Yeah, like I. You know, that band to me is like.

[Colin]

It's the best one.

[Bo]

Okay, so this is great. I wanted to. They mentioned somewhere in the book that before a show in 96, you were nervous, you were anxious about something. It was something going on. And Dave Murphy said that you were driving around. He was driving around with you in your car and you were listening to Obituary and Morbid angel to like calm down. So where did. Where did death metal and this like seemingly polar opposite.

End of the spectrum come from for you?

[Mark Porter]

I've just always liked hard music. So the breakdowns, the raw deals, the chrome eggs. Right. Leeway like that, you know, end of the spectrum. Right? So being from the shore, we had a good metal scene. We had Ripping Corpse, we had Revenant. You know, Blood Feast was from New Jersey. Right. You had these bands, you had New York City Ed, you know, you also had Eric Rutan. Eric Rutan Goat was from like a mile from where I grew up.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Bo]

Really? Let me tell you something. I did a tour with Haiti Turner real quick in cannibal Corpse. And pretty much every day he would say, I'm from Jersey, man. So we do it a little different, like, every single day. So finding out that you're. You were that close is. That's incredible.

[Colin]

He was from the same Jersey as Eric Rutan.

[Mark Porter]

Yeah, He's. He's second generation. Ripping Corpse. Like, he was later on.

[Bo]

Okay.

[Mark Porter]

But, like, you know, maybe like, third demo, like Dreaming with the Dead. Right. That's his shit. Yeah. But amazing. So seeing Ripping Corpse. Right? Like, you're seeing Morbid angel because they're playing together. You know Morbid angel gets you listening to Deicide.

[Colin]

Yes.

[Mark Porter]

You know, Deicide gets you listening to Carcass. Carcass get. You know, think about, like, think about the mosh parts that Carcass has, brother.

[Colin]

This is all we talk about.

[Bo]

This is. This is.

[Colin]

We've made a career.

[Mark Porter]

Like, you know, I don't even know the songs. Like.

There's nothing harder than that.

[Bo]

Yeah, I.

[Mark Porter]

You know what I mean? You're preaching to the.

[Colin]

To the conductors of the choir.

[Mark Porter]

And Bolt Rower, you know, I got number one.

[Bo]

That's it.

[Mark Porter]

When did Warmester come out? 90 or 91, right?

[Colin]

91.

[Mark Porter]

I got it when it came out. I saw them in Pittsburgh when he came out. Didn't see them for. Yeah. Funny Mark Porter story. Like, World War 4 is playing Austin. Both rower hasn't played in 25 years.

[Bo]

Chaos, right? Chaos and chaos.

[Mark Porter]

Yeah. And I'm like, I waited 20 years to see both rower. Oh, my feet are killing. Let's go home. We just did. I never even stayed. I watched one song and split. I think I watched. No, I stayed for no tolerance and left. But they never.

[Colin]

Never came back, you know?

[Mark Porter]

No. Until recently. Right. They were just here, weren't they?

[Colin]

No, they're gone.

[Bo]

They're done.

[Colin]

2013 was their last US tour, so.

[Mark Porter]

Oh. So I got the. I got a T shirt, which I still have there, and it was $10.

[Bo]

And it was 10 bucks. I was just gonna say. That's right.

[Mark Porter]

They played at that outdoor, like, hanger. I saw a couple songs and I split. But seeing them in 91 was amazing. That. I mean, is there. Is there a better, harder band?

[Bo]

No, 100%.

[Colin]

And one that evolved into a better band every time.

[Mark Porter]

Now. Do you do. Were they hardcore adjacent, those dudes?

[Colin]

They know what's up. They definitely know what's up based on small conversations I've had with Carl. You know, I wouldn't. I don't know if, like. Because obviously the punk ethos is 100% there.

[Mark Porter]

Yes.

[Colin]

Like the $10 shirts and the. The, like, they kept it very DIY till the end.

[Bo]

Yep.

[Colin]

And at that show that you're talking about that we went to while in those first few songs when we were allowed to dive, they were so happy.

[Mark Porter]

Yeah.

[Colin]

They were like, oh, my God, this is perfect. Like, people don't do this for us. Security stopped us, and the whole band's mood changed. For real.

[Mark Porter]

They were like, as corny as it sounds that. That song and like, that, like, description, like, gave me goosebumps. Like, I was. Yeah, I felt it. Like, you know what I mean?

[Colin]

Opening with Fourth Crusade. What are we gonna do?

[Bo]

Yeah, you're gonna stand still.

[Colin]

There's no barricade. I'm doing quadruple backflips.

[Bo]

They're adjacent in a way that napalm are. And maybe a band like Asuk was who Floor Punch played with.

Segue. Thank you.

Which is sand insane and just like I love. There are many surprises in this story of Floor Punch, and this was one of them to me, where I read the flyer like, three times. Like that. Right. How did. Do you remember that at all? Do you remember how their set went?

[Mark Porter]

I don't remember, but I think that my Tyler King might have booked that show. And he was always, you know, booking crazy stuff. But I didn't become an asset fan until a little later, you know, that introduced me to them. But then I'm a fan, you know, that, you know, great, you know? But yeah, I mean, I don't remember how it went, but I remember being interested. You know what I mean?

[Colin]

What was out was Misery Index was for sure at the time was anti capital out.

[Bo]

I don't know. Mid-90s, maybe.

[Colin]

I would give a finger or two to time travel to that one.

[Mark Porter]

I'm trying to think the shirt they were. I'm just getting like a.

Trying to get a reference to what record was actually. I remember they were selling shirts with the COVID of the record.

[Colin]

Well, they're both. They're both nondescript black and white.

[Mark Porter]

It was Misery Index. They were selling those shirts.

[Colin]

Okay.

[Bo]

I remember first getting into assoc. And one of the first pictures I ever saw and I had not been able to find it since was when they had a standalone singer and the dude was wearing Youth of Today shirt. And it was just like, oh, well, everything is my favorite thing. And this is all one thing.

[Mark Porter]

It's perfect.

[Bo]

100%.

[Mark Porter]

Okay.

[Colin]

By 1998, floor punch is a certified headlining band. And Fast Times of the Jersey Shore is right around the Corner Debut lp, only lp. What was writing for that, like, and how. Somebody mentioned that demos existed for the lp.

[Bo]

Got it.

[Colin]

How extensively was it demoed?

[Mark Porter]

Yeah. So that demo recording series was taped live in Albany as an audition for ebr.

[Bo]

Oh, cool.

[Colin]

Steve came and they liked what they heard.

[Mark Porter]

He paid for it. It was a couple hundred bucks, I think. And we recorded it live. He actually, you know, we were like, oh, that's good. He's like, no, we did it a couple takes. You know, some songs, one take, but some we did. It worked on a few, like, the newer ones. Yeah, he would. That was basically like our audition for ebr. The demo and you. Yeah, I mean, and there's also that one song on there that never even made it to the record. Right. That's.

We played that once as an intro at the Wetlands. I don't know if we ever played it again.

[Bo]

Wow.

[Mark Porter]

You know what song? You know which one I'm talking about?

[Colin]

Yeah, we gotta get that back. You gotta do a finished recording of that one.

[Mark Porter]

Yeah, I mean, that. There wasn't much unreleased Floor Punch stuff. I think that was the only one.

[Colin]

That's pretty cool. How was working with evr?

[Mark Porter]

They were, they were great, you know, I mean, we like Steve, you know, he was, you know, we had good relationships with him. You know, they, you know, we didn't. It was a different time, you know, we didn't want anything. You know what I mean? We just wanted someone to put our record out right. You know what I mean? At the time, you know, I like that. We like the pocket print on the shirts, you know, the Equal Vision logo is like the next best thing to Rev, you know what I mean? And we were into it, you know, and, yeah, I never had any complaints, you know, our records made it to Europe, you know what I mean? People were getting them, you know. The poster. Yeah.

[Colin]

One of the standout aspects on this record is something Beau brought up earlier. King Shots Level up is immediately apparent. He's blasting, he's pulling out shit that, like, only a guy who's heard ripping Corpse is gonna do.

[Mark Porter]

Dude's a good drummer. He's a good drummer.

[Colin]

He rips. But it's like, dude, that three years from the demo to this is like, oh, this motherfucker has been drumming.

[Mark Porter]

Yes. So he is like a craftsman. Like, he wants to be better. And constantly practicing it. Always assembled, even to this day, like, still rocking, you know what I mean? Like, played some shows, did some stint with Underdog, you know, I saw that.

[Bo]

I, I, it was a While ago now, but I saw him play for Underdog and killed it, you know, it's the one style of Phil Collin. I know, I know you know what I'm talking about. But it's the.

That thing where it's. Yeah, you know what I'm talking about. And like, he does it a few times on the record, but it works. It's like the Floor Punch philosopher, you know, to like, as an identity and.

[Colin]

Then he throws in as a fucking quick blast thing. It's unbelievable. Every time, dude, it's such a. Without him, like, you're. You're only as good as your drummer, you know, any band. And God damn, he leveled up for this record.

[Mark Porter]

And I'm laughing like, because when we would play, like, Gonna get yours Live or which I think that's. Or Blondie, whatever it was called, right? And during, like, when it's like the ring out, he'd be like. Like he'd be doing something crazy every live show. You wouldn't know what you were gonna get. Like, everyone would have to stop and kind of look. Because he'd still be going. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. He's a good kid, man.

[Bo]

So let me ask you something. Gambling. Was this something Floor Punch was into or was this a hyper. Hyperbolic song put at the end of the record?

[Mark Porter]

Oh, no, no. We were fucked up. Yeah. I mean, we. We were OG gamblers.

[Bo]

So. So going to ac, that. That was real.

[Mark Porter]

Like, literally. Yeah. Like any casino, riverboat anywhere you love.

[Bo]

Tomorrow.

[Mark Porter]

Yeah. Like, okay. Like, this conversation happened to every show. Ban money, Pull it Roulette, one spin. Let's go double or we get. Nothing happened every time. Me and Zeus, I were going to AC three times, like twice a day.

[Colin]

Okay.

[Mark Porter]

We'd go to AC in the morning and go back at night and like, like real degenerate shit like you.

[Colin]

I mean, you. In a way, you. You birthed me with Let It Ride.

[Bo]

I'm sure you've seen the meme that it's something along the lines of, like, Floor Push, Floor Punch put out one song in the. In the mid-90s, and now every motherfucker has a problem.

[Colin]

And we've. And you gave birth to guys like us. You created many straight edge gamblers. Are you still a 50 on red guy?

[Mark Porter]

I'm a blackjack guy. I think the 50 on 50 on red kind of just worked.

[Bo]

Yes.

[Mark Porter]

You know, with. Lyrically, I was Never hit on 17. Yeah.

[Bo]

Hit on song 17.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Mark Porter]

You know, and. But, you know, like. But we were big. The show Gamblers too, boss. Boston degenerate gamblers. Like, we brought that up there. Like, the $500 coin toss is like urban legend between me and Ray Lemoine. He didn't. I won. He didn't pay. You know, there $500 coin toss in 96 is kind of wild.

[Bo]

It's a lot. It's a lot today.

[Colin]

That's like three grand now.

[Mark Porter]

Yeah. And so this is a great gambling story. And I just told this at the bookstore at the book event.

[Colin]

Hit me.

[Mark Porter]

We're on tour.

Our poor guy, manager, not driver, is like a sketch ball. And we're just convinced he's robbing us. Now we get along with him, you know, don't get me wrong. Like, we weren't like fighting with him, but we just. He's kind of scummy, right? Like he's constantly going to jack shacks, like, disappearing. Like, we think he's just spending our money. I'm like, all right, fuck this, let's get this guy back. So our game of choice at the show was A.C. ducey. Are you guys familiar with A.C. ducey?

[Bo]

I'm not.

[Mark Porter]

It's a game that can get elevated to high stakes very quick. So it's very. You get it without boring the audience.

[Bo]

There's. There's a whole group of 28 to 35 year old males right now salivating over what they're about to hear. So don't worry about it.

[Mark Porter]

Yeah, like, like Josiah, he knows what A.C. ducey is. You know what I mean? Like, so sure we're. That, we're that level here. So hit the cards, cut them. So now I'm stacking the deck because he's had a few. And I'm gonna rob my money back. So, A.C. ducey, what you do is there's a couple different ways to play. You flip over a card. If it's a high card, like a face, right? You flip over a second card. Basically all you're doing is guessing what falls between.

[Bo]

Oh, okay.

[Mark Porter]

So ace first. Do second is the high and the low. Hence the name AC Doocy.

[Bo]

Anything can be in between.

[Mark Porter]

Yeah. So for you to win, if you flip the king and a deuce, anything from a queen to three, you're gonna win the pop. You follow me? But if you get a king or a deuce, you're. You have to match the pot.

[Bo]

Gotcha.

[Mark Porter]

So, oh, so you get people 10, three. Everyone puts an Annie in. So maybe $5 a guy just like a game doubles very quick. So I was stacking the deck and giving the. You Know, we were building the pot up and we were sure he's putting our money in there. So I was dealing from the bottom of the deck. Like, king four, pot, I bet. Put up as you lose. Just robbing our money back.

[Colin]

Have you ever received confirmation that it was your money back?

[Mark Porter]

No, but we. We robbed a lot.

[Colin]

Okay.

[Mark Porter]

And we, We. We also set up a floor punch on Gold sale. He said, no way. You sell that record for $400. We had like, some random kid, like, we'll give you like a T shirt. If you say you'll buy us for $500, we better like $400. You know what I mean? We set the whole thing up.

[Colin]

Wow.

[Bo]

Yeah. So the first time Harm's Way toured and hit a casino in reno, we put 50 on red. It won. And now if there's ever a casino within like, that, we can get to the buyout or whatever we got from the show pretty much is going on. On a color.

[Mark Porter]

Yes. Typically red, double or nothing, right? That's it.

[Bo]

Yeah. It's fucking awesome.

[Colin]

Fast Times was recorded with Steve Evans the year after Satisfaction is the death of desire.

[Bo]

No shit.

[Colin]

It was mastered by Alan Dutchess. This the year after Five Deadly Venoms. You got the dream team here.

[Mark Porter]

How do we get that? Like I said, I'm not an artist or a musician. I had nothing to do with that process.

[Colin]

That had to have been EVR, right?

[Mark Porter]

100. 100%. I just remember the bevitz was hard on me was vocals. Like, I did a lot of takes because I was used to not doing any. You know what I mean?

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Mark Porter]

I mean, is that record good as, like. As. I'm not. I'm not talking like material, but quality. It's good.

[Bo]

It sounds. It sounds fantastic. The performance.

[Colin]

Steve Evans recording.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin]

But he let it be natural and.

[Bo]

Human, a little raw.

[Mark Porter]

Yeah. I remember we were there for a week, I think.

[Bo]

Wow.

[Mark Porter]

Yeah. I remember going up at nights. They were there during the day, but I was going after work.

[Colin]

Okay. Was he. Was he kicking their ass to get this thing tight or what?

[Mark Porter]

Yeah, it was a lot of takes. I remember, like, he was a perfectionist.

[Colin]

That.

[Mark Porter]

That's really all I remember. Yeah. What's he doing now? Where's he at? Is he.

[Colin]

He's crushing it.

[Bo]

Yeah, he's still there.

[Colin]

He's doing like, a lot of, like, regular rock shit, but he's a regular Hard Lore listener. He just did the new Dead Guy record.

[Mark Porter]

Okay.

[Colin]

Sounds fantastic. He mixed the first Eyes of the Lord record a while ago for me. Sounds Amazing. Yeah. He's out there crushing it.

Duchess.

Mastering, fucking Everything still good.

[Mark Porter]

Is that Haybrid record?

[Colin]

It's the one. It's the Chosen One.

[Mark Porter]

Yeah.

[Colin]

What was it like, witnessing their ascension in real time?

[Mark Porter]

My. My distinct memory is us playing with them, maybe at the Greek American hall in Boston. It was us. I think I did my. In My Eyes, Death Threat, Floor Punch, Ape Read.

[Bo]

Okay.

[Mark Porter]

Maybe Reach the Sky. And I remember during. Was it the first title track? Was it a. Empty Promises? What is it?

[Bo]

Yeah, Empty Promises.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Mark Porter]

And just looking at my environment, just being like the room just fucking. How can you say? Like, it was just merch. Tables flipped and this is a huge venue. And it was just.

It was something to see, man. Like. And I always said, like, going in the bathroom, it just smelled like raw meat. There was so much blood in there.

[Bo]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Mark Porter]

From that set. It was just bananas and just. They were fucking so good.

[Colin]

The Chosen Ones.

[Bo]

You know, there was. There's an interesting parallel where. Based on when we. When we had Jamie on, he and his friends got thrown out of a show for moshing and. But he saw that there was a void. There was a want for hard music. Not too dissimilar from Floor Punch, wanting to sing along and not sit on the floor. And that's an interesting. Like, oh, yeah, there was a void. This is what a group of people want to do. Let's just do it. And it worked. It's very interesting to me.

[Mark Porter]

That being said, I would love to hear like a full, fuller version of Killing Addicts. Probably one of my favorite songs.

[Colin]

It's very, what, a minute and a.

[Mark Porter]

Half or something other than like the tinny drums and like that recording. You know what I mean?

[Colin]

We did it. I mean, God said did it.

[Mark Porter]

You can check it.

[Colin]

Yeah, it's pretty good. But tell me about playing with the Misfits during their initial reunion.

[Mark Porter]

Did we play with them? Was that alive and well?

[Bo]

It was a fest and they played.

[Mark Porter]

The other day, but we did not. We played at the smaller venue, but kind of like think of like, you know, like a two venue fest. They played at the Asbury Park, Right. Hall, which is like probably like a 2000 cap. We played at the Casino Skate park, where it was like our record release. Was there.

[Colin]

Was that something you cared about? Like, were you a Misfits guy?

[Mark Porter]

Yeah, I mean, I love the Misfits, but, you know, I don't think I saw them that show.

[Bo]

Oh, okay.

[Colin]

Okay.

[Mark Porter]

No, but I was a fan. You know, those records, like, you know, you Know, we talked the other night, right? You know, about, you know, Earth AD Is. It's just. To me, it's just perfect. You know, the opening, like, I was thinking, when you were listening, ranking the tracks, like. Like, the Earth AD to me, is just it, you know, I mean, that's.

[Colin]

That's a hardcore record.

[Mark Porter]

That's a hardcore opening, opening track. The Scream. Whoa. It's just. To me, it blew me away. You know what I mean? I was just like.

[Colin]

And then you find out they're from New Jersey.

[Mark Porter]

Yeah. I mean, I had known that because I remember I went and saw. Before that. I think I saw someone in Lodi, and we were just talking about. That's where Danzig was from. And I think, you know, this was, like, after I'd. Obviously, this wasn't, like, early on. It was later on. I think I saw Nile in a little club in Lodi, and we were just talking about Danza being from Lodi.

[Colin]

There's another hard band.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin]

Suspiciously hard. Like, bro, I know you've heard Breakdown before, you know.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Mark Porter]

Where are they from?

[Colin]

Egypt.

[Mark Porter]

Perfect. Other than the obvious. Yeah.

[Colin]

There's no other answer. I don't know.

[Bo]

I think. I think they're British. Are they not British? I think they're. I think, by way of Egypt. Yeah.

A band we haven't talked about yet. And I'm just curious, because when we called you for the bracket, you weren't the biggest fan of Turning Point.

[Mark Porter]

No, no, no, no, no. The LP, like, is. Is. Is good, but the 7 inch is great.

[Bo]

Yes.

[Mark Porter]

You know, like, I'm not a Slap Base guy, and I think it's funny.

[Bo]

That was the quote. Slap Base. That was the quote. That's right.

[Mark Porter]

I think Ken or someone like DM me, like, he said, yo, what's up with hating on the Slap Base? It was one song, you know.

[Colin]

I like that. It got to him. That's good.

[Mark Porter]

No, love Turning Point. Saw Turning Point very early on. You know, demo era. Great band. But I wanted to say we were talking about, like, heavy music and stuff and, like, the Shore. So there was a weekend in 1990, and one day in the. A matinee in Long Branch, New Jersey, which is right at the shore, ironically, at a club called Murphy's Law. I saw Sick of It all on Outburst and then drove up to Club NA in Sarahville the same night and saw Ripping Corpse, Biohabard, Biohazard and Morbid Angel.

[Bo]

Holy shit.

[Colin]

What a day.

[Mark Porter]

I mean, that's Five of Five.

[Bo]

That's Mosher's Delight.

[Colin]

Yeah. No pun intended.

[Mark Porter]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Bo]

Wow.

[Colin]

That's what we're all about here on this show. Tell me about the legendary San Francisco brawl, the iconic photos that came from it. Nazis show up to. To the floor Punch gig. Break it down for me.

[Mark Porter]

Yeah, I mean, I. You know, whenever I speak about this, I'll just say, perhaps it's like, still to this day, fuck every Nazi. You know, the right wing and all that. You know what I mean? Especially in the scene we come from, that shit's not welcome. You know what I mean? That ideology. So I guess there was. They had had a problem out there with these skinheads, you know, coming to shows, and we had played a show, I think, with all bets off and forget the name Gyrus something. Gyro might. Maybe Sammy. Sammy the Mick had booked the show. We were staying. Yeah, RIP Amazing person who I met at that show and stayed in contact until he passed. You know, like, amazing dude. We were staying with Mikey Hoods. Certified maniac, right? Crazy dude. Like, reading this really well. It was awesome. I was hanging out in the van, and Bill Punch had gotten into a little scuffle with, like, a. An OBHC dude who was, like, kind of, like, out of his mind. Like, you know, there wasn't, like, any beef. It was, like, purely mosh beef, and it got squashed. And so obviously OBHC is not to be, like, trifled with. You know what I mean? Like, serious dudes. And, like, so we didn't know that it was going to pop off. So we're playing, and we see out of the corner of our eye, like, Sammy and Mikey, like, breaking down, like, drum stands and, like, bats being passed around. And, like, I'm saying, like, all right, we're getting it on stage, I guess, like, you know, this dude came back with his boys. We're gonna get up, see, you know. But then Bammy popped it off with that one shot, and then, you know, somebody went click. Yeah, then you knew what was going on. And basically the. One of the bigger dudes was kind of like, fighting right in front of us, and I just basically, like, lassoed him with the mic and just upside down the mic and just.

And Summers has an outburst shirt on with brass knuckles and Jeremy stomping. You know, it's a. It was amazing, the shots, you know, iconic. But, yeah, we got, you know, those. You know, it was, you know. You know, any kind of, like, violent event.

[Colin]

Like, you.

[Mark Porter]

You know, we're across country. We just want to get the fuck out of there. 100, you know, literally Change clothes and just unloaded as fast we couldn't get out of there, you know what I mean? But yeah, yeah, they got what they deserved. I mean, you come to a show picking on kids like you, they had one agenda and that was it. Like to ruin this show for kids. Yeah, you know, they weren't there to watch the music. You know what I mean? So, you know, California is interesting. You know, I mean, it was.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Mark Porter]

That set the tone, you know, the shows are cool, you know.

[Colin]

And is this your only US tour?

[Mark Porter]

Yes. Other than like DC to Boston, sure.

[Colin]

You okay, so then on this tour after this, you get to Southern California. Can you tell me about meeting a fellow named Todd Jones?

[Mark Porter]

Amazing, amazing kid, man.

[Colin]

He loves four Fun.

[Mark Porter]

I love him.

[Bo]

He really does.

[Mark Porter]

I love him, you know. Zach Strong Intention. Not strong. Is that Zach Nelson? Zach Nelson. What band was he in?

[Colin]

Il Repeat or. Yeah. Oh, In Control. Sorry.

[Mark Porter]

In control. Yeah, the later band he was in Retaliate. Retaliate. Yes. The dude from Strong Intention was from Maryland, but yeah, Zach Nelson. So him and Todd had like an apartment together. And I feel like Todd was 16, like already out of the house, you know, and we stayed with them and it was just like, you know, like bros from the get go. I think we played him straight ahead for the first time.

[Bo]

Whoa.

[Colin]

I think he said that on our show, right?

[Bo]

Yeah, I think so.

[Colin]

That you were like, listen to this, listen to this, listen to this.

[Bo]

Yeah. You went out to the van and got it. Yeah, that's right.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Bo]

Wow.

[Mark Porter]

We were spreading. Spreading the gospel. Right straight ahead.

[Bo]

One of my favorite. I said this on the Todd episode. I don't know if you heard it, but it's one of my favorite stories. Was Nails played. This is hardcore after show. A kung fu necktie. I think it was 2015. And Todd would not start the set until you got there because you were on your way and he was just on stage just like, we're waiting.

[Mark Porter]

Believe me, I wasn't like big league. And I was trying to get there.

[Bo]

Oh, no. I know. The mood was immediately clear. It was totally. It was perfect. It was awesome.

[Mark Porter]

That venue was the size of this bedroom. Remember that place? Small.

[Colin]

And everybody understood.

[Bo]

Yeah, yeah, we got away. Well, I remember I was next to your brother and I was like, why are we waiting? And he. Taylor literally just went, porter's coming.

[Mark Porter]

I'm such a dork.

[Bo]

But no, it was awesome.

[Mark Porter]

I'm. I'm a. I'm a Nails fan.

[Bo]

I am.

[Colin]

You're.

[Mark Porter]

You're.

[Colin]

That's on Record you.

[Bo]

Yeah, that's. That's on record.

[Colin]

You're og. I know. I saw it all. Yeah. The Floor Punch, European tour.

[Bo]

Oh, talk to me.

[Colin]

1998. Tell me about touring Europe in 1998.

[Mark Porter]

Like, 60 shows in 20 days, right? Like, you know, a show every day. Like 35 shows. Yeah. A third of which are in eastern Germany. You know, this is like 10. 10 years after the wall came down. So, like, it's still gray over there. Like, there was no color. You know what I mean?

[Colin]

Still is.

[Mark Porter]

Just everything was gray.

[Colin]

Right.

[Mark Porter]

You know, playing a huge hole to 10 people on a Wednesday night.

[Bo]

Perfect. We.

[Mark Porter]

We played some great shows. We did not go to the UK. We stayed mainland.

[Bo]

Wow.

[Mark Porter]

So it basically was like two shows in France, 60 shows in Germany and, like, Scandinavia. You know what I mean?

[Bo]

Yeah, yeah.

[Colin]

You know, are there bands and cities that exceed your expectations at the time?

[Mark Porter]

So having stayed and toured with sportswear, I fell in love with Oslo. Amazing.

[Colin]

Sportswear is.

[Mark Porter]

Sportswear is good. They sound in the name. The name is bad, but they sound, like bold.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Bo]

Sportswear is good.

[Colin]

The name is just always blowing my mind.

[Bo]

Main Strike rocks. There's some. There's some hitters.

[Colin]

You played with True Blue on that.

[Bo]

Yeah, True Blue.

[Mark Porter]

You did. We stayed with kits. All right. That's where I met Pat. You know, we went to his apartment and just watched old hardcore VHS, like, as we should, you know, dude.

Like, the greatest Corman activity, right?

[Bo]

Yeah. That is a thing. Like, Truly James from my band, one of the first things we did when we started hanging out was he played me the final Mosh VHS that he had. You know what I mean? That is, like. That is a lost thing that I actually truly miss. Obviously. YouTube is incredible and one of my favorite. My favorite thing. But part of that is missing out on this. I've never seen this because there were only 20 of them or whatever, you know?

[Mark Porter]

Yeah. And tapes getting destroyed and shared, and the quality's always. What was the word? Buffering or whatever?

[Bo]

You know, the tracking. The tracking.

[Mark Porter]

Tracking. Tracking. Yeah.

[Colin]

Well, dude, what's so cool is somebody reached out. I'm sure he's listening to us recently, and sent us a 4k hike. The highest quality rip of the final Mosh video I've ever seen.

[Mark Porter]

I need to get that from you. I don't think we're gonna.

[Colin]

We're gonna put it up on our channel if you're cool with that.

[Mark Porter]

Go for it. Yeah.

[Colin]

Never before seen and it looks insane. It's so clear. I can see Your. All of your pores. And it's like, it's like a professional cam rip. I want to thank him so much for doing that. It will be up. It's shortly after that.

[Mark Porter]

Who taped it?

[Colin]

I don't. I don't know.

[Bo]

Don't know.

[Mark Porter]

That was.

[Colin]

I will get all the information possible and it will be. It will be listed in the description. It's from the crow's ness.

[Mark Porter]

Yes.

[Bo]

Oh, cool.

[Mark Porter]

So, yeah, that was the day my wife graduated law school. And so that's why I was late because I was coming from her graduation.

[Bo]

Wow.

[Mark Porter]

And I actually left her in the pit like mid intro, like. And my buddy from high school was there. I remember he just like picked her up and never been to a hardcore show and like bear hugged her and just dragged her to the back out of like the mayhem she was in the middle.

[Colin]

It takes you forever to get up there.

[Mark Porter]

Yeah, it was, it was. I mean, what a. What a send off, right? Come on, dude.

[Colin]

It's the best. It's. Everybody's out of tune. It's insane. It's getting close and it's perfect.

[Bo]

It's perfect. Yeah.

[Mark Porter]

Yeah, it was. Yeah.

[Colin]

To get there, I think. I think. Does. Does this European tour, like, kill you guys? Yeah.

[Bo]

Is it nail in the coffin or.

[Mark Porter]

Yeah. So it kind of started. So what people want to say about Floor Punches, like our mission statement, like, we were friends, right? So we had like a deal like, yo, if anyone leaves this band, we're just breaking up because we're not going to jeopardize our friendship because we're boys. So like, if. That's why it was always, you know, we had fill ins on tour, but only logistically, the person really couldn't do it. It wasn't like, oh, I'm not going. Fuck you guys. You know what I mean? Zeb was on tour with Endeavor. That's why he couldn't do the States. Right. You know, so.

Yeah, that was like part of our deal. And, you know, we had played across the country, America, you know, my wife was in. My girlfriend at the time was in the city living by herself. We had just gotten two dachshund puppies and like, we're getting ready to embark on this five European tour. And I'm like, we're in Arizona, like the Nile Theater or whatever was that place called.

[Bo]

Oh, yeah. Still there?

[Mark Porter]

No, it was like, I was like underground or.

[Colin]

Or upstairs.

[Mark Porter]

I think upstairs. Big room.

[Bo]

Big.

[Colin]

Holy Lord.

[Bo]

Big room.

[Mark Porter]

Yeah. And I was like, you know what this. Let's. I want to go home. We're not going to be here for five weeks. So we just. We were supposed to play back across. We just drove straight across. Oh, I wanted the week. I wanted the week off before I went away, so.

[Bo]

Yeah, yeah.

[Mark Porter]

I mean, been there, brother. In York, we played some great shows, right? Dembo Dembos, right. The Milky Way. Like whenever those clubs, were they still around now the club that drops, like the Drops the confetti or whatever, I think it was called the Milky Way.

[Colin]

I've never gotten confetti personally.

[Mark Porter]

Was it Coney Island? Coney Island. C O N N E Island. These clubs aren't even around anymore.

[Bo]

But maybe not.

[Mark Porter]

We played some.

[Colin]

The confetti budget was out of control. They couldn't sustain.

[Mark Porter]

That was like the club's deal. They would drop confetti while you were playing.

[Colin]

Sounds amazing.

[Mark Porter]

So we played some great shows, but, you know, it was winter, you know, we were eating terribly, like.

[Bo]

Of course you were.

[Mark Porter]

Everyone was mad at Chris because I think he told them. And the rider, we were vegetarian and he was the only one. So, you know, I love Chris, but you know that people were mad at that and like, people, people, people meaning me. And like, probably only me. I was bitching about having cold feet in the van. Not heat, not working. Yeah, of course, you know, we're in a sprinter, you know, it was cold, it was rough, a bunch of bad shows and I, you know, I think we just, you know, you're in a van, you guys know, for month prior, a week home, then five weeks. It's just, you know what we. It was starting to wear in our friendship and we didn't want that to happen. But there was another kicker too. I got it. I got to be real. We had played a show in New Brunswick and this is when kill your idols was coming up. And you know, different like genre, like it was hardcore punk, but more like Poison Idea, less like Youth crew, you know what I mean?

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Mark Porter]

And they. They blew us away. And I always being like self deprecating, like, listen, I'm not going to go out like a sucker. This is. This might be the writings on the wall that the band is over that show.

[Colin]

Wow.

[Mark Porter]

And that was it.

[Colin]

So kill your idols was your echo brain.

[Mark Porter]

Yeah, they were the. They put the nail in the coffin.

[Bo]

No idols is the future.

[Mark Porter]

No beef with them, you know, it was just.

[Colin]

Clearly you were impressed and you're like, we gotta stop.

[Bo]

Yeah, they killed. They killed their idols. Truly.

[Colin]

Wow. I bought my misfits bag from one of the. One of the guys and kill your idols.

[Bo]

Oh, cool.

[Colin]

That's cool. And then they killed Floor Punch. So what the fuck, man? Yeah, touring. Let's go back real quick to touring the US and let's get that. Let's get the food discussion out of the way.

[Bo]

Yeah. Because there's a whole section in the book on this. It's amazing.

[Colin]

What were you. You guys were eating good on this tour or what?

[Mark Porter]

What did this say in the book? I didn't read the book. Is it coming from my mouth or.

[Bo]

Yeah, no, there's a paragraph. I. I don't remember who said it. It says. All I remember is, is food being a big topic, like, it was just like, what are we eating? Was just like a thing.

[Mark Porter]

Well, you know, when we went to California, obviously we had to have In N Out, but it was every meal, like breakfast, lunch and dinner and In N Out. We didn't even.

[Colin]

How was In n out in 1998?

[Mark Porter]

The burgers are delicious. I've never been a fan of the fries because I don't like shoestring fries.

[Colin]

Yeah, it's not quite a shoestring. It's old fashioned potato, real cut.

[Bo]

Dude, call it whatever you want.

[Colin]

It's anti Irish discrimination to say they're like crunchy.

[Mark Porter]

It's like, Andy, that's not good. I'm not a fan.

[Colin]

They are kind of handicapped.

[Mark Porter]

The sauce is good and then onion sauce is good.

[Colin]

And you cover them, the fries in that sauce and you don't know. Who cares what's going on?

[Mark Porter]

Yeah, but yeah, you know, we. We like to eat, obviously. And you ate a burger.

[Bo]

You ate some huge burger after having eaten burritos earlier in the day for like a contest picture of you guys.

[Mark Porter]

Yeah. So that was in Boston at a place called Burrito Burrito Max. That was right in. Right across the street from the Rat. And they had some huge burrito and I ate it. And then we went to. No, no, then we went called the Eagle Deli, which was on Boston College campus. Like, Eagle. Boston College Eagle. And they had a thing called the Godzilla burger, which was a pound of fries and a pound hamburger. And I remember eating it and being like, when Homer Simpson's trying to gain weight. Just like throwing the food in my mouth and it's just bouncing out. Yeah. And then I did a metal middle finger with an X on it with like in ketchup on the.

[Colin]

On the plate. Yeah.

[Mark Porter]

Clevo still has that picture because they hung it on the wall.

[Colin]

It's in the book.

[Mark Porter]

Yeah.

[Bo]

Wow.

[Colin]

Fantastic. So what was. What Was floor punch's number one stop of choice on this one single u. S. Tour you guys did.

[Bo]

Aside from in and out, shitty fast.

[Mark Porter]

Food, you know, McDonald's king shots at McDonald's king shot. Keeps it simple.

[Colin]

How else is he gonna be able to play all them parts?

[Bo]

You know, he needs. He needs the sodium, the electrolytes, Horrible fuel.

[Mark Porter]

Yeah.

[Colin]

All right, so Europe kills you guys. Kill your idols in Europe together. Kills floor punch. What leads up to over a year later? It's like over a year until the last show. Right.

[Mark Porter]

It was May of 2000, and we had come home in, like, February 99, so. Yeah. Or March. Yeah.

[Colin]

It's a big gap.

[Mark Porter]

14 months. 15 months. Yeah.

[Colin]

So in those 15 months, what are the events that caused these discussions to start happening? The decision to actually end the band, that conversation? What. What do you remember from before the show?

[Mark Porter]

So basically, it was like radio silence with the band for 14 months, you know what I mean? Like, we were all, like, doing our own thing. And then of course, someone being, like, approached us. Maybe Tyler or, like, rich hall. I forget who was booking at the time. I was like, yo, you guys want to do a last show? It's just gonna be three bands, but breakdown of chromax, like, okay, like, literally one in one and two on my list of favorite bands. You know what I mean? So. And we got there and, you know, that show is just. It was bananas, you know what I mean? It was like a perfect people. Like, really make it sound better, Even better than it was because, like, I see how people, like, really the way they wax poetic about that show.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Mark Porter]

I mean, it was special, but, you.

[Colin]

Know.

[Mark Porter]

That was like what CBs was like, but even. You know what I mean? So for me, it was just. It was a good send off, you know, and playing with two of my favorite bands, like, one last time.

[Colin]

So is it a universal group? Yes. Or is there a big deliberation beforehand?

[Mark Porter]

No deliberation. Everyone was down.

[Bo]

Okay. Yeah.

[Colin]

And it was like, hey, this is the last show.

[Mark Porter]

Yes. We're gonna call it the. I think Jeff came up with, like, the final mosh name. He did the t shirts on his own, like, you know, and that was it, you know, and we were cool after that. Like, we left as friends. Like, that show was like, literally, like, hugging and like there wasn't beef, but, like, it was like the weight was off of, like, the tension of, like, tour and wanted, like, you know?

[Bo]

Yeah, yeah.

[Colin]

But when do you find out that there was an edge break within the.

[Mark Porter]

The camp before that. Okay, before that. Yeah. I mean, it wasn't like in the open. It's like. It's like don't speak. No, don't, you know, don't speak, don't tell kind of thing. You know what I mean?

[Colin]

Okay. Okay.

[Mark Porter]

Not the whole time, but, you know.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Mark Porter]

You know, you'd always said, you know, there was the one guy where they never really exit up. You know what I mean?

[Bo]

Was there any thought about the last show being out of state? I know CBs was obviously an important. It was Stevie's. But was there any. Any like.

[Colin]

Ah.

[Bo]

But we could do whatever venue closer to home and that would mean more.

[Mark Porter]

No, like, no Jersey loyalty thing. We were like, you know what? CB's our favorite venue. Like, we're glad it's there.

[Bo]

Okay, cool.

[Mark Porter]

We loved every show there we played was special. They always were. Did great. You know, the sound was great. The myth, the aura.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Mark Porter]

You know, playing with those two bands there, it was just a perfect storm like, of how we wanted to go out. You know what I mean? It was. It was amazing.

[Colin]

And then the set is what it is.

[Mark Porter]

Yeah.

[Colin]

I mean, all time great.

[Mark Porter]

Yeah. I mean, I. That's a video I can still watch to this day. And I'm like, pretty cool, you know, I'm really excited. It sounds awful.

[Colin]

Yeah, it's awesome. Well, that's. That's just cameras. Cameras did sounded like, you know.

[Bo]

Yeah, right, right.

[Mark Porter]

I mean, I think Bill gets whacked. Like his headstock gets hit when Zeus eyes always up. You know what I mean? And Bill's at. So once Bill goes out of tune, I think everyone. One point, they just stopped looking at each other. Right. I even think I said something on the mic like, this is. You might. You might know. Know the songs. Or maybe not because we suck. You know what I mean?

[Colin]

Is there a soundboard recording from this show anywhere? Like, is there an audio version of this set somewhere?

[Mark Porter]

Not that I've ever seen.

No. And the banner disappeared at that show.

[Colin]

I'm telling you, man, that is awesome.

[Bo]

Dude. That happens. Someone out there has the last. The weekend nachos banner. They stole it from me. It was mine. Shit like that. It bothers me.

[Colin]

They're listening right now.

[Bo]

I know.

[Colin]

Painting their face like the Joker in their bathroom.

[Mark Porter]

Yeah. It's like a shower curtain somewhere.

[Colin]

Yeah, exactly.

[Bo]

Exactly.

[Colin]

If anybody for some reason has a soundboard recording from the floor Punch final mosh.

[Bo]

Yeah, that'd be good.

[Colin]

I've got this 4K restoration of this thing. Thing. Imagine that is in dire need of audio. Of the audio being good. Imagine what we could do together. Audio man. But I can't wait for people to see that. So the show ends. You guys are hugging, feeling good. And you feel. You feel accomplished. You feel like, okay, I'm comfortable being done.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Mark Porter]

I mean, obviously as like an artist or musician, right? That's the way you want to go out, you know, that we were on top, you know, because we might even got the best response out of all three bands, you know what I mean? And we were just stoked. And, you know, I didn't get paid, didn't care, you know what I mean? Like, yeah, you know, just that was. We wanted a proper send off because we knew how we'd gone out at that other show wasn't like the real, like, indication of what floor punch was, you know what I mean? But we were getting that send off was like, we were happy with, like, it being done. No one even wanted to do more. Like, there was no, like, hey, we just killed it. Let's play another show. It was like, we just killed. It was great, you know what I mean? Which was that made me happy.

[Colin]

And you look around you at what hardcore is in 2000. How different is the landscape from 1995 to them? Do you feel like you're Batman in a way? You know that, like, your job is done and the city doesn't need you anymore?

[Mark Porter]

Well, you know, you had like 2,000. You had an. Right. They were coming around, right? They were. They were very big. And, you know, it was changing, you know. You know, I'm not sure when Hope Con came around, but. Or not Hope Con, they were around then too, right? That was like, Hope Con am like those kind of bands. The Converge was always around, but, you know, it, you know, hardcore cycle, you know, is kind of shifting towards that, you know what I mean? Which was fine. You know, the Wes and those dudes are like legit hardcore dudes. You know, all those kids, they were like four punch guys and we were around. So, you know, hardcore is always going to be great, you know what I mean? There's always cool shit going on, you know, and we never felt like a Batman kind of thing. But I just think for us, it was just the way, you know, we went out, we came in. You come into this world with nothing but yourself. You leave this world, you know what I mean? Like, we came in, we kicked it, and we just. We split and we were. That was it, you know.

[Bo]

You seem to have stayed in touch with hardcore. Did you take A sabbatical of any kind. Did you check out for a minute and come back or anything? Or were you always just ear to the ground on Soul Seek?

[Mark Porter]

I'm always. Yeah. On Limewire.

[Bo]

Limewire, yeah.

[Mark Porter]

I'm always here to the ground like, you know, like being friends with like Justin and like, you know, all the bands he's been in. Dfj, you know, you know, New York bands, you know, the Boston bands. I'm always with Todd and Nails and you know, all these other bands, you know, I've always. I'm always listening. Like even, you know, bands today, you know, little going on all the time.

[Colin]

You know, we got you on the Firestarter track, you know, you're here.

[Mark Porter]

Yeah, that was cool. You know, recording that was awesome. Yeah, I mean, that made me like a little flashback, but.

[Colin]

And you sound great on it.

[Mark Porter]

Yeah, I was stoked. Like.

I don't listen to a lot of music other than hardcore and metal. You know what I mean? Like, I'm very. I've always been like Winders. Yeah, well, yeah, true, but that's it.

[Bo]

That's the only exception.

[Mark Porter]

I listen to hardcore every day still, you know what I mean? Like, I have my playlist and it just cycles through.

[Bo]

Did you do a Spotify Rap today?

[Mark Porter]

No, I'm an Apple music guy.

[Bo]

Good for you. Good for you.

[Colin]

I am too. There's just. Because like that's. My whole library is on Apple Music. So 99 of my listening goes on there. But I like to have both, just to see what everybody's hearing.

[Bo]

Yeah, I do both. Yeah.

[Mark Porter]

I've been on a very big Cure kick the last few years.

[Bo]

Beautiful.

[Mark Porter]

Bill Punch really introduced me to disintegration.

[Bo]

That's the one.

[Mark Porter]

Amazing. But like, I'm like deep tracks like cuts, like. I'm really like fully immersed in the Cure, like the last like five years.

[Bo]

Welcome.

[Colin]

Yeah, welcome to Post Goth Sport Porter.

[Mark Porter]

You know, I still dress like a jock though, so.

[Colin]

That's right. How many members of Floor Punch are still straight edge today?

[Mark Porter]

3. Bill, Chris and myself.

[Colin]

That's a great. That's a good ratio.

[Bo]

Good ratio.

[Mark Porter]

Zeus. I mean, you see his character arc in the book, like selling crack or like smoking crack to metalhead, like to straight edge. He's still edge, you know. Bill. Still Edge? Yeah.

Zeus size. Cool. He's. He was a legit metalhead. You see his pictures?

[Colin]

Yeah, it's awesome to see. He got the. The Vermont. The Vermont in his yearbook photo.

[Bo]

Right? Yeah.

[Colin]

That's what it's all about. What leads to the reunion in 2007.

[Mark Porter]

We had no interest in playing, but a friend of ours was like, kind of jammed up with like some family issues and any way we could help, like, even like all the shows early on were a lottery. Like a Joe Hardcore reunion. I mean, Joe Hardcore benefit, right with Cold World, Robbie Red Cheeks. That was a crazy show. I think it was like trash talk. There's a ton of bands on that show, but we did it. You know, even like the last show we played was, I think the Matt Summers benefit from Shark Attack, who got injured. We played that like two years ago. It was great, you know, and, you know, I'm not saying we'll never play again because.

It doesn't work that way, you know, I don't ever want to play again. But like, if someone were like jammed up, I could help then maybe like in that medium, I would do it. You know what I mean?

[Colin]

Do you not want to play with Floor Punch or do you not want to play music?

[Mark Porter]

Oh, no, I just, I think, you know, Floor Punch was cool and I, you know, just. I don't ever want to be like.

DFJ said to me, hardcore is a young man's game and I respect that. And I just, I'm happy with where my place is. And like, you see all these older guys embarrassing themselves, you know what I mean? I don't want to be that guy, you know what I mean? You know, I want to be able to go to a show and be like, oh, this here's this clown, you know what I mean?

[Colin]

I think you have too much self awareness to end up that guy.

[Bo]

But also, as to my point, what I was saying before, like, you've stayed plugged in both eventually with doing World War four. I remember you watched Harms Way play at A United Blood and we were all like, yo, that's Porter, like behind the cabs. And you've always done a good job, is what I'm trying to say, of maintaining what you're trying to do. And so I think it's very cool to use this potential power that Floor Punch has. Easy money to only really use it to help and for good every once in a while maybe. I think that's amazing.

[Mark Porter]

Liking more aggressive music and knowing the singer has a Floor Punch tattoo is obviously going to pique my interest, you know what I mean?

[Bo]

Sure.

[Mark Porter]

You know what I mean. So, yeah, I like, you know, I like that style. So I'm down to check it out.

[Colin]

You know, when the World War 4 demo came out, I think we released the song World War 5, the same week or month. And I loved the demo and I was like, damn, they're gonna be so mad.

I had this fantasy that you guys were like, fuck this band immediately. No, and I understand if that was.

[Mark Porter]

The case, you know, not at all. Your song, your song is much. That breakdown is much heavier than anything we did.

[Colin]

You know, Apples and oranges kind of.

[Mark Porter]

Yeah.

[Bo]

All fruit.

[Mark Porter]

But I was a World War 4 fan. I like that band.

[Colin]

Yeah, it's an incredible man.

[Mark Porter]

Yeah, it was cool. Those dudes are special musicians, you know.

[Colin]

Bring it back.

[Mark Porter]

It's a young man's game. Can't do it.

[Colin]

This is the fountain of youth. We're forever young.

[Mark Porter]

It's true.

[Colin]

Hardcore has changed so much since Floor Punch. Since its inception, since everything. What are your thoughts looking around today? What do you see? Do you like what you see?

[Mark Porter]

You know, I do. I mean, I think it's. I have a hard time believing how monetized it is. Like, I think that's cool for the bands who are like, grinding and like, make a living off it, like. Cause, you know, even like the bigger bands, when I was like, you know, with Floor Punch, you weren't making money. You know what I mean? Like, Sick of It all was always the banner for making and living off a band. Right. They could all can go to Europe and they reach coming almost 70 grand. You would hear these stories. Right? You know, but they were like the exception to the rule. I mean, I think it's amazing that, like, you know, Turnstile, there's not a bigger band in the world, like, relatively speaking. And they're hard.

[Colin]

There's no. There's no cooler, more lauded rock band in the world than this hardcore band.

[Mark Porter]

And they're hardcore kids. Yeah. You know, Brendan's still doing tui, you know, everything, you know, I mean, it's just. It's crazy, you know, I mean, I think it's amazing. You know, bands like Drain, like Speed, like, even stuff that's more abrasive to the ears, like Knock Loose. Right?

Heavy abrasive lyrics. Not saying I think it's cool, but to me, a band like that can be as big as they are is pretty fucking amazing. Where this genre has come from.

[Colin]

It's objectively insane.

[Mark Porter]

And don't get me wrong, when I even like to like, spin it around, like when I hear like, you talking to the dude from Knock Loose and he talks about Floor Punch, I get a little geeked out about by that too. Like, because, like, here's this band, like, that sounds Nothing like us.

[Bo]

Right.

[Mark Porter]

But, like, you know, know who we are. So I think that's kind of sick. You know what I mean?

[Colin]

That's just where we are now.

[Bo]

Well, there's guitar music has not been this big since the 90s.

[Mark Porter]

Yeah.

[Bo]

You know, so it's. It's. It's great. It's. Thank. I don't care what it sounds like. I think it's a positive, you know.

[Mark Porter]

Who would turn style be in the 90s, like, size wise.

[Bo]

Size wise.

[Mark Porter]

We're not talking like Alice in Chains.

[Colin]

Or like, dude, they're like direct support on Lollapalooza and, you know, so, yeah, it would be like Pearl Jam, Alison Chain.

[Bo]

Yeah, yeah, maybe. Yeah. One of the. One of the grunge type.

[Colin]

So. So in the 2000s, early 2000s, rock music died because CDs died, you know, so it's like, okay, we've got to make things that are cheaper to make. Let's get guitars out of there because that's expensive to record. Let's get real drums out of there because that's expensive to record. Now audiences are finally realizing that that shit is not cool. And when they hear real drums, they hear real guitars, they go, oh, this reminds me of that thing that I love and that my dad loves so much. And we're there now. We're back. Bands are back, artists are gone. I don't want to wear a shirt with just a guy's name on it, you know, I want a collective of motherfuckers who, like. Who. Who I know love the same shit that I love or are gonna put me onto new things that I love. And that's. That's. I'm a. I'm a child again. When I find something new, the live.

[Mark Porter]

Aspect and the showmanship of it, too. You know what I mean?

[Colin]

Like, half the battle can't compete.

[Bo]

You can't beat it.

[Colin]

The band is back.

[Bo]

That was beautiful, Colin. That was very profound.

[Colin]

Thanks, man. We're going to keep it there. All right, before we wrap things up here, we've got some questions from our Patreon members. We're going to hit you with. Let's scroll through these here. This is a great question from Dylan Reed. We Just might or Time to Forgive.

[Mark Porter]

We just might Every day, all day.

Yeah.

[Bo]

That'S it.

[Colin]

Outstanding.

[Mark Porter]

Remember, I said. I remember said floor punches. We just might. Mouthpiece is Time to Forgive. That was my analogy even back then, you know what I mean?

[Bo]

Wow. Yeah, wow.

[Colin]

Let's see here.

[Bo]

Great question. Dylan Reed.

[Colin]

Great question. Dylan. Outstanding. Andy Tuck. Asked, what were your favorite smaller scenes to play shows in Floor Punch's heyday.

[Mark Porter]

Smaller scenes. So we, you know, we didn't travel that much. Like, we were like D.C. to Boston for, like, 90% of our career. But I thought, like, the Allentown, like, outweigh that scene. Like the Reading, Pennsylvania, like, where the Rancor guys were from was always cool. But it's a tricky question because we were basically Boston, New York, Jersey, Shore, D.C. that was it. You know what I mean? Virginia Beach. There. I can say that.

[Bo]

There you go.

[Mark Porter]

Virginia Beach. We played there two or three times, and they're always amazing.

[Colin]

Here we go.

[Mark Porter]

Yeah.

[Colin]

Beautiful.

[Bo]

Good answer.

[Colin]

Jesse Dampolo asked, this is fun. You're drafting a football team from 90s hardcore band members. Who's at the top of your draft board and what positions are they playing?

[Mark Porter]

90S hardcore.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Mark Porter]

I think Josta would be, like, the GM of the franchise.

[Bo]

Dude, that's actually genius.

[Colin]

We're running this play, right?

[Mark Porter]

No. So Rob Lind would be the coach. Great. All right. We would have. Who would be our. I'm gonna pick one more position. A quarterback of 90s hardcore. Maybe Jesse Stanhard.

[Colin]

Love it.

[Mark Porter]

Yeah. That's awesome.

[Colin]

One of the other football guys.

[Mark Porter]

Yeah.

[Colin]

Sports corps.

[Mark Porter]

Yeah.

[Colin]

Great answer. Great team. Going to the.

[Bo]

Going all the way. Speaking of, Mark, who do you think we're going to have in the super bowl this year if you had to pick?

[Mark Porter]

I'm unhappy with the Eagles right now because I just. They're. I don't know what's going on, but I think they can turn it around. So I'd like to say they could make a run, but I was really high on the Rams until they lost this week to Carolina. I don't believe in the Patriots because I think they have a. They have a soft schedule and they're just beating up bad teams.

[Bo]

Okay.

[Mark Porter]

But the AFC is kind of weak, so maybe the Colts. From the afc. Colts, Patriots, nfc.

I would like to say the Eagles, but I'm a little skeptical. I think, you know, I think the Rams could get it together. Detroit showed weak. Green Bay. You know, they're. Everyone's losing. It's. It's wide open. You know what I mean?

[Bo]

I'll tell you, somebody in the NFC north who ain't losing. The Bears, baby.

[Mark Porter]

That's true.

[Bo]

They're doing pretty good. And we got Green Bay this Sunday, so my girlfriend and I, who's. My girlfriend's from Green Bay. We're a house divided. It's a big one, so it's awesome.

[Mark Porter]

You can't hate the Bears either. Right. You know, even as an Eagles fan, like, they just beat us. But I have no hate for the Bears, like, original franchise.

[Bo]

When I got back into it or when I got into football at all, I just picked the Eagles because I like Philadelphia and I just picked the Eagles and then they. They won. So I've been very high on the Eagles for a while.

[Colin]

I would say as long as the Chiefs aren't involved in any way, we're all going to be.

[Bo]

We're all winning the Chiefs of the Cowboys. Yeah. Yeah.

[Colin]

Nicholas Koch asks favorite Oasis song and do you claim responsibility for introducing Oasis to the hardcore community?

[Mark Porter]

I do claim responsibility. I like Slide Away. Acquiesce, you know, Acquiesce. You know.

Those are the two songs.

[Colin]

That got me into the band spoke tonight.

[Mark Porter]

I mean, there's a. You know.

[Bo]

I mean, those. You just picked, like the three heads.

[Mark Porter]

Picks, you know, like Supersonic, right? Yeah, good. Like just rock and roll. Right? I'm feeling. Are you. Are you guy.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Other than what's the Hindu Times, what's the other one called? The later ones?

[Colin]

The Hindu Times. Yeah.

[Mark Porter]

Yeah.

[Colin]

Oh, the one with Hindu Times on it.

[Mark Porter]

Yeah. Which record is that?

[Colin]

Standing on the Shoulders of Giants. Is it that one?

[Mark Porter]

Forget that one. Is. I'm Not All Over.

[Colin]

Okay.

[Mark Porter]

But yeah, I mean, like I said, my wife and I saw them in like 200 cap venues. You know, we were fans from the. We were fans from the jump. You know what I mean?

[Colin]

I really. I mean, aside from loving Be Here now, the. The demo version of the record with the program drums and Noel singing the whole thing. Oh, he's unreal.

[Bo]

You made me listen to their. Is the MTV Unplugged dude. Oh, good.

[Colin]

One of the biggest musical flexes in history.

[Bo]

Yeah. Straight up, just like.

[Colin]

All right, my brother's sick, so I guess I'll just.

[Mark Porter]

He's sitting up there.

[Bo]

Right there.

[Colin]

Yeah. He's heckling him.

[Mark Porter]

Yeah.

[Bo]

It's unbelievable.

[Colin]

It's the coolest.

[Bo]

It's so cool.

[Mark Porter]

And what Shaman Man. How good were they? Like, the show was just amazing, dude.

[Colin]

The production with the. With the. The backdrop and the colors and all this shit was unreal.

[Bo]

Yeah. We were front pit, like, right. Right in the front. That's like the closest you could be to the barricade. And I just found myself jumping. I'm just jumping with strangers, having the best time, you know?

[Mark Porter]

Yeah.

[Bo]

It's not something I've ever done in my life.

[Mark Porter]

Yeah.

[Colin]

Great picks.

[Mark Porter]

I love, like, the cockiness the arrogance. They're just perfect, you know?

[Colin]

They know. They know.

[Bo]

Cool as it gets, yeah.

[Colin]

Connor McLaughlin asked, How did you introduce your kids to hardcore and what role has it played in your relationship as they've grown up?

[Mark Porter]

None of them are hardcore heads. They know that their dad was in a band, but that, like, I laugh because my son will be sitting in the car and I'll. I have like, my playlist on. Like, it'll be like both row or brotherhood, whatever it may be. And he was like, let me turn this down just a little and be all the way down. What do they like?

[Bo]

Yeah, what are they into?

[Mark Porter]

My son is into, like, just rap. My middle daughter is into, like, bad rap. And my older daughter, she likes good music. Like, she likes, like, Casey Musgraves, Lionel Del Rey, Oasis. Like, she's got a. She's got it going on. But the younger ones are into, like, what the kids like, you know?

[Bo]

Yeah, yeah, for sure.

[Colin]

They may come around.

[Mark Porter]

It's not lost cause.

[Colin]

Yeah, yeah. I got you. What do you think? Porter is the greatest Straight Edge man of all time. All right.

[Mark Porter]

So I'm gonna say you did today.

I mean, obviously the. There's. You can say Minor Threat, right?

[Bo]

Can you?

[Mark Porter]

People can. People can.

[Bo]

Okay. People can, sure.

[Mark Porter]

But that's just basically, you know, because of the song and, you know, I mean, tracks for sure, but.

[Colin]

Yeah, but when. Dude, I. I just think, with all due respect, I love him so much. I love every song.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin]

If. If you denounce the movement, you're out of consideration. Yeah, yeah.

[Mark Porter]

I mean, you did today, man.

[Colin]

You know, what are you gonna do? You know?

[Bo]

That's it. That's it.

[Colin]

This.

[Bo]

Yeah. Logo that. Yeah, yeah.

[Mark Porter]

Everything. The t shirts.

[Bo]

The 88. Come on.

[Mark Porter]

What is. I was just watching it today. Like, it was funny. You said, I was watching the Youth of today video from 86 @cb's. When your friends give you slack and your parents give you slacker. When he says just.

Dude, so cool.

[Bo]

And that they. I think. I think Slap Shot. No, there was 89, but they opened for slap shot at CBs. And choke had been very vocal about, like, I don't. Positive. What is positive. I don't want anything to do with this. That's not for me. I'm not here to be friends. I'm here to do us. And they play in your face, all of you. Today is diving. Oh, yeah. They didn't give a fuck. Loved it.

[Mark Porter]

Slap Shot had a cool take on Straight Edge for sure. Yeah.

[Colin]

And you said you Read the lyrics. I can't close my eyes. And you decided you were straight edge.

[Mark Porter]

Yeah.

[Colin]

That's the perfect answer.

[Mark Porter]

Wow.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Mark Porter]

Perfect record gave me. I want, I want. Give me the worst question.

[Colin]

What did the floor ever do to you?

[Mark Porter]

That's not it. I don't even know what to say.

[Colin]

Brad from Firestarter, just wanted to say thank you.

[Mark Porter]

Oh, I appreciate the offer.

[Colin]

That's my fucking guy, dude. That's my nephew.

[Bo]

Hey, how about no warning when they asked you just to do the bust?

[Mark Porter]

Yeah, it was easy. They were. They did it in Brooklyn at Dean's studio and I was living in the city. I hopped on a subway right over and did it. You know, I, you know, I had.

[Bo]

Met how many takes?

Okay. All right. Just had to be sure.

[Colin]

All right, this is the last question and it is dumb, but I think it's funny. So this, this will be the last question before I. We do our real last question as the, as the definitive face of New Jersey straight edge. Does vodka sauce get the pass?

[Mark Porter]

Yeah, because I think the alcohol burns off, right?

[Colin]

Yeah, it's not even in there.

[Mark Porter]

Just eat.

[Bo]

Eat.

[Colin]

Ridiculous concept.

[Bo]

Ridiculous.

[Colin]

Of course it does.

[Mark Porter]

Yeah, but I have to. I have done some weird shit though. Like, even with these Shirley Temples that we bought for Thanksgiving, my wife made a mistake and bought whiskey soaked cherries. Now, there's probably no alcohol in there, but I didn't, I didn't, I didn't partake in the cherries. I mean, that's kind of. That's kind of weird.

[Bo]

I mean, if I had the option to opt out, yes, I would. But for me, it always come. What's the function? Do you know how many cherries you would have to eat to get even a little?

[Mark Porter]

Yeah.

[Bo]

You know what I mean?

[Mark Porter]

It's just weird for someone my age to even think like. Like why. Yeah, but I did think I didn't eat them, but that's just. I don't know.

[Colin]

I wouldn't eat them either, you know?

[Bo]

Hey, did I something we do ask people before we get to the last question. This is a quick one.

[Colin]

Hit me.

[Bo]

We, we. We had the idea to do an episode on September 11 this year of where were you on September 11? Because certain like biohazard put out a record. Slayer put out a record. You know, we had answers. I had heard a rumor that you worked at the World Trade Center. Or is that false?

[Mark Porter]

No, fact.

[Bo]

Fact.

[Mark Porter]

So if you look in the, in the annals of baseball, the Yankees played the Red Sox on September 10th at Yankee Stadium. The game was A rain out. I was there with my wife and some friends. We stayed around like 12 in the morning. Had landlined my boss, right? Or cell phone. I forget we had cell phone. No, text, cell phone. And say, listen, I'm in the Bronx, it's two in the morning. I'm not coming to work tomorrow. So, you know, full transparency. I worked in 4 World Trade, which was at. It was a eight story building at the base of the Trade Center. So they were destroyed. The towers fell to crush them. Yeah, but that. That being said, the only. You know, I would have lived.

But the trading floor that I was working on, like 30 people did die because they were at Windows on the World for a Dean Witter breakfast, dude. So we did have a lot of losses, like. So Marco, Mark Metrone, who was right next to me, like in my booth, his brother was Sasso, who played on the Enforcer demo. Small world, right?

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Mark Porter]

His father died that day. You know, so, yes, I did work. I have a World Trade center id. I was in the towers every day. You know, I took the PATH train, you know, up to the. Into the World Trade Center. Yeah, I called out sick. My wife, wow, actually woke me up. Like, she's like, yo, you're not gonna believe what's going on. So what I did was I lived. I'd moved home when I got. I lived in the city from like 96 to 99. Then I moved back 96 to 2000. And I moved back from right after 911 to 04. There was a year of 9 11. I lived down, back down at the shore because I was getting married. And I went to a ferry terminal by my house. And I was like, if we see anyone from my work, because that a lot of people can, then we know. If one guy made it out, they probably all did. And the first guy off the ferry was my dad because he worked at this stock exchange. I didn't recognize him because he was looking for me when the towers fell like a block away.

[Colin]

Holy fuck.

[Mark Porter]

So the towers fell. He was in Ducati park behind a planner, got all fucked up, bleeding like white. He came off the boat. I didn't even know it was him because he was so like. And blood, like, on his arm, his face.

[Colin]

But he sees you, he clocks you right away.

[Mark Porter]

Yeah. And then we. I drove him home to Spring Lake.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Mark Porter]

It was crazy.

[Colin]

Holy.

[Bo]

Holy.

[Mark Porter]

I did work there and I. I did call out sick and I did have survivor. I did have survivor guilt.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Mark Porter]

Talking. Talking to the guys who I'd worked with. Every day since 94 as they were like walking over the Brooklyn Bridge to go to wherever they. Just to get out of the city, you know. It was crazy. You know. I mean. Yeah.

[Bo]

Wow. Wow. So that's. That's a long standing legend. Thank you for confirmed.

[Colin]

Thank you for sharing. I'm. I'm glad you're still with us. That's fucking insane.

[Mark Porter]

Yeah.

[Bo]

Glad your dad made it out of there.

[Colin]

Damn.

Yeah. All right, the time has come. We need you to send this off right by sharing Mark Porter's top four hardcore records of all time.

[Mark Porter]

Okay. So I'm going to go. Suicidal Tendencies. Self titled.

[Bo]

Wow.

[Mark Porter]

Circle Jerks Group Sex.

[Bo]

Wow.

[Mark Porter]

Age of Quarrel and I was thinking about this today. I really wanted five.

But I'll go Victim in pain.

[Bo]

Beautiful.

[Colin]

There you have it.

[Bo]

Little east, little West.

[Mark Porter]

Now that's hardcore, right? But don't get me wrong. Sleep Jerusalem is probably one of my most listened to records in my whole life.

[Bo]

Oh, I've seen you post that before. You are a big sleep head.

[Colin]

You're a fascinating guy.

[Bo]

Sleepy head.

[Mark Porter]

Love it. Saw them in the 90s, had the record when it came out. Love it.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Mark Porter]

Yeah.

[Colin]

You're. You're at the. You're the only guy at the show with spiked hair, blue jeans and a non black shirt probably.

[Mark Porter]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Colin]

Unbelievable. There we have it, man. What. What a. What a chat we've had.

[Mark Porter]

Yeah, it's been great.

[Colin]

Appreciate three hours.

[Bo]

Oh man. Thank you so much.

[Colin]

Blew by. Thank you so much for coming on.

[Mark Porter]

Awesome guys. Appreciate it.

[Colin]

Any. Any last words to sign off with. To leave the people with.

[Mark Porter]

Parkour's cool man. You. You can age out and still check it out from the outside and you still see what's going on and it makes you proud to know where you came from. You know, I mean the people are still into it and still checking it out and I. Everyone you know who's bought this book and like still like makes me relevant. It just greatly appreciated, you know what I mean? Beautiful to see.

[Bo]

Beautiful.

[Colin]

You can listen to the entire floor Punch discography on streaming. Twin Killing is a collection of the demo and the 7 inch fast times Jersey Shore, their one and only LP. 16 songs and it's like 18 minutes. So don't worry, you got time. Unbelievable band. Unbelievable legacy. Shining Life Press four Punch. No exceptions book. Everything we've talked about today is covered in here a little bit sometimes a lot of it from various other accounts. So you've heard Porter's take on stuff today. There's many other points of views in here that they. All the ops are in here.

[Bo]

It's my favorite aspect of the book.

[Colin]

100%.

[Bo]

It's genius.

[Mark Porter]

A lot of ops in there.

[Colin]

Lot of ops in there. So you can hear what they say. Porter, thank you so much again for joining us.

[Mark Porter]

Awesome, guys. Thank you.

[Colin]

You're the best. Thank you all for watching. Thank you all for listening. Listen to floor punch. Get the book. Bye.

[Mark Porter]

Take care.

[Colin]

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