SHAPEL LACEY: Comedy, Cheerleading, Hardcore Punk

Summary

HardLore Episode Summary: Chappelle Lacey – Comedy, Cheerleading, Hardcore Punk

Released: May 15, 2025

Hosts: Colin Young, Bo Lueders
Guest: Chappelle Lacey
Location: Varsity, Los Angeles; Mills Vintage Records, Little Tokyo

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1. Introduction

The episode marks a historic crossover as HardLore welcomes the legendary stand-up comedian, Chappelle Lacey, blending the worlds of comedy and hardcore punk. Hosted by Colin Young and Bo Lueders, the conversation delves into Chappelle's unique journey from a hardcore punk enthusiast and competitive cheerleader to a touring comedian.

Chappelle Lacey [00:29]: "Music was the very first thing. Music was like, you know, a major thing for me."

2. Early Influences and Musical Beginnings

Chappelle recounts his early fascination with music, initially immersing himself in West Coast hip-hop artists like NWA and Dr. Dre during his elementary years. This early exposure laid the foundation for his diverse musical tastes, which eventually led him to explore rock and punk genres.

Chappelle Lacey [02:02]: "I was glued to the radio as a kid. I loved hearing all the things that I would hear."

3. Discovering Hardcore and Punk

A pivotal moment in Chappelle's life was discovering the band Korn, which resonated deeply with his tumultuous home environment. This discovery marked his entry into the world of hardcore punk, further intensified by his exposure to Black Flag and Henry Rollins.

Chappelle Lacey [03:35]: "Korn was the thing that matched the sound of, like, dude, what I was like, growing up in."

Chappelle's first encounter with Black Flag's "Rise Above" and Henry Rollins’ powerful performances ignited his passion for hardcore music, leading him to fully embrace the genre.

Chappelle Lacey [08:32]: "I saw Henry and I was like, who's that guy? He's like, that's Henry Rollins."

4. Local Scene and the Nile Underground

Chappelle shares his experiences attending local hardcore shows at the Nile Underground in Mesa, Arizona, highlighting bands like Mad Caddies and Crush. These venues were instrumental in shaping his music taste and providing a community that mirrored his own struggles.

Chappelle Lacey [10:54]: "The first show I ever went to was Mad Caddy's show."

5. Transition to Comedy

The shift to comedy was sparked by a dare during his college years. As a competitive cheerleader at the University of Louisville, Chappelle was pushed to perform at an open mic, leading to his first stand-up experience. Although his initial attempt didn't go as planned, it ignited a passion for comedy.

Chappelle Lacey [12:11]: "Someone dared me to do it. Someone dared me to do it when I was cheering in college."

6. Touring Experiences and Challenges

Chappelle draws parallels between touring as a comedian and traveling with a band. He discusses the logistical challenges of solo performances, managing bookings, and the grind of performing multiple shows across weekends. The conversation touches on maintaining authenticity and the importance of perseverance through both successes and setbacks.

Chappelle Lacey [26:15]: "If you're not going out and like, do something about it, then you can't just expect anything."

7. Favorite Bands and Records

A significant portion of the discussion centers around Chappelle's favorite hardcore bands and records. He highlights:

• Black Flag – Particularly "Damage," which he considers a cornerstone of his musical identity.
• Minor Threat – Admiring their influence and seminal work.
• Demons System 13 (DS13) – A Swedish underground band that deeply impacted him during his teenage years.
• Mad Ball – Noting their role in shaping the hardcore scene he grew up in.

Chappelle Lacey [82:08]: "Damage is my record."

8. Combining Music and Comedy

Chappelle elaborates on his latest venture, the band Mad Peaceful, which fuses his comedic talents with his musical roots. Formed during the pandemic, the band focuses on cover songs and original material, showcasing Chappelle's versatility and commitment to blending his passions.

Chappelle Lacey [102:24]: "I have a band called Mad Peaceful, which is basically the name comes from, like, who I am."

9. Advice and Closing Thoughts

In closing, Chappelle offers valuable advice rooted in his experiences. He emphasizes the importance of reading to gain new perspectives, staying grounded despite successes, and maintaining authenticity in both comedy and music.

Chappelle Lacey [106:20]: "Read. Just read. You won't think the world is as crazy as what you are surrounded by."

Chappelle also reflects on the significance of community and shared experiences within the hardcore and comedy scenes, underscoring the mutual understanding and support that drive both industries forward.

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Notable Moments and Quotes

• Understanding Music’s Impact:

  "Corn was the thing that matched the sound of, like, dude, what I was like, growing up in." [03:35]

• First Comedy Experience:

  "I wrote a love album for a girl... It did not go well." [13:01]

• Touring Realities:

  "Comedy, music, wrestling are all kind of the same thing... Grinding, cutting your teeth." [27:29]

• Handling Criticism:

  "I don't care if someone says I'm not funny... I'm still getting support from those who understand." [78:04]

• Favorite Records:

  "Damage is my record. Damage is bible to me." [82:09]

• Advice on Reading:

  "Reading helps you stay grounded and see different perspectives." [106:20]

Conclusion

Chappelle Lacey's episode on HardLore offers an insightful exploration of the intersections between hardcore punk, competitive cheerleading, and stand-up comedy. Through engaging storytelling and candid reflections, Chappelle provides listeners with a comprehensive understanding of his multifaceted career and the enduring influence of music and comedy in his life.

Whether you're a fan of hardcore music, interested in the comedy scene, or looking for inspiration on balancing multiple passions, this episode delivers a rich and authentic narrative that resonates with enthusiasts from all walks of life.

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Transcript

[Chappelle Lacy]

It's funny because we were, you know, I do from time to time, give people. Because people don't know three songs. You know, what's your favorite? There's one time I had posted a clip and I'm wearing a Black Flag shirt and this guy was like, I can't. I bet he can't even name, blah, blah, blah. Because the clip went kind of viral and it was Black Flag. Yeah, yeah, exactly. And then people were like ripping this dude apart because they were like, you have no idea who this guy is. Like, for you to come here and say that. And then they're like, but he can he. And then he's.

[Colin]

They're like, not only can he, but it's like, name three Michael Jackson songs. It's like the most recognizable punk band ever.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Hello, welcome.

[Guest Host]

It's Hard Lore time. How you doing, Bo?

[Colin]

I'm doing so good. Who do we got today?

[Guest Host]

What a beautiful day we have. This is a historic moment on the show.

[Colin]

A crossover.

[Chappelle Lacy]

It is a crossover.

[Guest Host]

Our first ever crossover with a stand up comedian in hard lore history. We have the legendary Chappelle Lacy.

[Chappelle Lacy]

I'm not a legend yet. I still got a roommate. Once I move out, once I move out of that situation, I'll be a legend.

[Guest Host]

You see how fast he was?

[Colin]

That's quick.

[Guest Host]

That's why we gotta have him. Chappelle's a hardcore kid.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yes.

[Guest Host]

And, you know, he's a touring comedian. He's doing it, he's out there. And we wanted to get his perspective. Touring comedian world versus hardcore touring world. There's so many. There's so much crossover.

[Colin]

Yeah. We think the Venn diagram is near a circle.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah.

[Guest Host]

Yeah. So we're, we're here at Varsity in Los Angeles. We're gonna head into the back to Mills Vintage, look at some hardcore shirts, talk about some stuff and just have a nice time.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Let's do it.

[Guest Host]

Let's head to the back.

[Chappelle Lacy]

You guys are killing it with the comedy already.

[Guest Host]

Come on, man.

[Chappelle Lacy]

What.

[Guest Host]

What came first for you? Punk and hardcore or like music or comedy?

[Chappelle Lacy]

Music. Music was the very first thing. Music was like, you know, a major, major thing for me. You know, I would. I was glued to the radio, you know, as a kid, I just, you know, loved hearing all the things that I would hear. And, you know, early on it was like the west coast hip hop. This was like when I was like early elementary school. So it was like doggy style, you know, like NWA and Dr. Dr. Dre and all that stuff.

[Colin]

And you said you're in your 30s now.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah, I'm 38.

[Colin]

38. Okay. I'll be 38 this year, so.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Okay. Yeah, yeah, we're right there. 87. Yeah. So, you know, that was, like, the first of me then, you know, just. Then once I started switching the radio station and I heard Mississippi Queen by mountain, you know, and I just heard that. Yeah, yeah, and then I heard that, and I was just like. Yeah, I was like. I was like, what is this? You know, And I didn't understand what it was. And so then I just started exploring, like, the rock and roll world. And, you know, Nirvana was, like, a very, very big thing for me as a kid. And, like, Offspring, because that was this, you know, like. Like 94 now, you know, all those, you know, or. Sorry. Epitaph punk and all that stuff was, like, coming out, you know, and. And. But I just didn't really know what it was. But what hit it hard was Corn.

[Guest Host]

Really.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Corn was like, so new metal. Was the new metal extreme when I found new metal, you know? Cause, like, not even, like, emo or whatever. Cause all of us, like, the beautiful thing of our world is we all kind of grew up in, like, hectic homes. And so I grew up in a very hectic house. You know, my stepdad was crazy as fuck. And so corn was, like, the thing that matched the sound of, like, dude, what I was like, growing up in.

[Guest Host]

And you're from Mesa, Arizona.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Mesa, Arizona. Oh, wow. You know corn well.

[Colin]

And also.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Okay, so I'm pretty sure you played the Nile then.

[Colin]

Oh, it won't get there.

[Guest Host]

We're gonna talk about that.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah, we're gonna.

[Colin]

Korn is quintessential bad stepdad music.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yes.

[Colin]

I cannot think of a more. Like, there's dad Rock and then there's Stepdad rock.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah, there's stepdad. It's.

[Guest Host]

My stepdad loves this. Fuck this. I hate my stepdad.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah, I love corn.

[Guest Host]

Which was it for you.

[Chappelle Lacy]

So I hate my stepdad for sure. Oh, my God. But, you know, it was the first time I heard something in music that, like, you know, Jonathan Davis and his lyrics and, like, he was so vulnerable and everything he was opening up about with his home life and, like, you know that song I think Daddy on the first record, and, you know, he just hear him crying at the end, and I'm like, what? I was like, this guy, too. You know what I mean?

[Guest Host]

Like, you.

[Chappelle Lacy]

You don't realize, like, what, like, others are going through when you're in, like, those kind of situations. So corn was, like, just so dominant in My life.

[Guest Host]

How do you give porn to mad ball?

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Okay, so. So what's crazy? So here's like, my origin of, like, yeah, punk and hardcore. So I want to say, when I was in junior high, like, I've always wanted to play, like, an instrument. I wanted to play guitar, you know, a lot. You know, that was like, the biggest thing. And my junior high offered guitar classes. Right. Yeah. Was it as an elective?

[Guest Host]

As an elective?

[Chappelle Lacy]

As an elective. Damn.

[Guest Host]

I had volleyball.

[Colin]

I had trumpet. Dude.

[Chappelle Lacy]

And my guitar teacher was really dope, so I already knew, like, a lot of, like, you know, some of the classic rock that you know, like. Cause he was the classic rock guy or whatever, you know, and he taught us on, like, Spanish guitars, you know what I mean? So that's how I was, like, learning. And then there was a guy in my guitar class, he was like, hey, man, I play in a ska band. You want to be in it? And I was like, coulda used that felt. And I didn't know what ska was, you know what I mean? So I didn't know what it was. And he was like, yeah, it's like, Scott punk or whatever. I was like, I don't like. Yeah, I was like, whatever. I don't care. I'll be in a band, you know? And he goes, you mind playing bass? And I was like. Cause I'm black. No, I'm just kidding. It wasn't that. Just. He was a really good guitar player.

[Guest Host]

Okay.

[Chappelle Lacy]

And so. But I also. I didn't know how to play bass, you know?

[Colin]

Perfect. Entry level.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Guest Host]

And that's one.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Bass is actually really hard. People don't even realize. I think it's hard.

[Guest Host]

It is. It's hard to be a great bass player. It's so easy to be a good guitar player.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah, it was just like the, you know, the strength of those strings just like me up. So, like, guitar just, like, feels better on my hands, you know? And so, yeah, he. So I go by his house, he's showing me all this stuff, you know? Then he started showing me, like, no effects. And I didn't really know anything about no effects, but, like, Less Than Jake, you know, Skank and Pickle, all this stuff. Bruce Lee band, you know, he just.

[Guest Host]

You're a Boss Tones guy.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah, yeah. He went. Boss Tones? Yeah. Like, I'm telling you, like, this guy was, like, showing me the world. And I was like, man, this is very unique, right? And, you know, I fell in love with a lot of that stuff. Real big fish, all that and it was just so.

[Guest Host]

The Good river soundtrack.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Was big in the lace you have. Exactly.

[Colin]

So our friend Mac is at home right now.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Like, so it was crazy, like, hearing that. And I was like, this is music that was just so fun, right? Just so fun. But then my friend's brother, he would wear a Black Flag shirt, but it just had this, like, the bars logo. This was just, like. Just got my attention.

[Guest Host]

It's the coolest music ever.

[Colin]

And I was like, is he an older brother?

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah, it was his younger brother. Oh, interesting. Young head. Yeah, so it was his younger brother. So his younger brother, he was wearing. Yeah, he was wearing that shirt. And I was just like, what the fuck is that? You know, like. But the bars, I just could not stop looking at.

[Guest Host]

Right, because what do they mean?

[Chappelle Lacy]

What do they mean? But it just looked so, like, power. It looks strong. Yeah, right.

[Colin]

You know what's beautiful about that? The guy who designed it, Pettibone.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah.

[Colin]

Did all their flyers and everything when they were coming up with it, he said, black Flag isn't a logo. It isn't a band. It should be a statement. And they designed. And he designed that just to do exactly how it worked.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yes.

[Guest Host]

You see bushes in the shape of that, and you go, there it is.

[Chappelle Lacy]

There it is. Yes. Yes. You see that statement?

[Guest Host]

It's everywhere.

[Chappelle Lacy]

So I asked him. I was like, his name's Joey. I was like, joey, what is Black Flag? You know? And he's like, you never heard of Black Flag? I was like, no. He goes, oh, punk band from the 80s. He goes, Let me show you. So we went to his computer, you know, which, you know, back in those days, if you wanted to use the computer in your house, you couldn't use the phone. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So we went to. It was early days of Kaza.

[Colin]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Chappelle Lacy]

I don't know if you remember. You remember Kaza? Yeah, yeah. And so he, like, downloaded this. This video of Black Flag, and it was this Black Flag target video.

[Colin]

Yeah. Rollins, shaved head, shaved head, skinny as.

[Chappelle Lacy]

And the. The song that was playing was Rise Above. And I was just like. Who? I was like. And so the. The strength of the bars matched exactly what I saw. And then I was just like.

[Guest Host]

Forgot all about corn.

[Chappelle Lacy]

I forgot all about corn. Forgot all about corn and slipknot. I forgot about all of it. I forgot about all of it because I was like. And I saw Henry and I was like, who's that guy? He's like, that's Henry Rollins. And I was like, I need to know Anything and everything about that man, immediately. Because, you know, like, I had these, like, crazy anger issues. Still do. But, you know, and seeing Rollins up there, like, doing this art form that I'm, like, learning about and fascinated with, and, you know, just seeing the way he would just project and, like, you felt the lyrics and you felt his passion of him behind the. You know, like, just singing into that microphone, and it was just so amazing to me. So I got deep into Black Flag. That was like.

[Colin]

That was your gateway.

[Chappelle Lacy]

That was the gateway.

[Guest Host]

That's a great gateway.

[Colin]

Someone say the top 32 Gateway.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Top 32, top 32 Gateway.

[Guest Host]

Somewhere in the 27 range. But Warzone's a little better. Yeah, yeah.

[Chappelle Lacy]

So it just, like, that hit me.

[Guest Host]

So from Black Flag, do you get to local shows at the Nile Underground?

[Chappelle Lacy]

Dude, I spent all, like, my time at the Nile.

[Guest Host]

It's a hot roof.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Like, you know, this had to be like. Yeah. Like late 90s, early 2000s, when I started going to the Nile.

[Guest Host]

When did you move here?

[Chappelle Lacy]

I didn't move to la. I've been here seven years.

[Guest Host]

Okay, so you were you. Mesa the whole time?

[Chappelle Lacy]

Mesa, yeah, yeah, yeah. Mesa, yeah.

[Guest Host]

So let me ask you this, okay? Did you ever go to the Nile while DMX was doing his quarter point?

[Chappelle Lacy]

No, I didn't. No, I didn't.

[Guest Host]

There was a Bitter End Nails Ringworm, New Lows show that I played.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Was it in the basement?

[Guest Host]

It was in the basement, yeah, it was. Yes, it was in the basement.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah.

[Guest Host]

DMX was scoping out the venue because he was like, I want to do.

[Chappelle Lacy]

This is My Hometown. He was living there. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Colin]

Had to.

[Guest Host]

He had to rest in peace. One of the greats.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah, yeah.

[Guest Host]

And he came downstairs.

[Chappelle Lacy]

This is.

[Guest Host]

If this is the. You know, the staircase to get downstairs. Nails is playing. They go.

[Chappelle Lacy]

He goes straight back up the stairs.

[Guest Host]

As soon as he hears one song.

[Colin]

Abe Simpson, dude.

[Guest Host]

And we all ran outside, like.

[Colin]

And there's a great picture of Bitter End with him.

[Guest Host]

Yeah.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Oh, really?

[Guest Host]

Yeah.

[Chappelle Lacy]

That's amazing.

[Guest Host]

So that's sad that you didn't.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah, yeah, No, I did not. I did not get to see more.

[Guest Host]

Of the, like, formative local hardcore shows or bands that you remember coming from Mesa.

[Chappelle Lacy]

So the first. The. Actually, the first show I ever went to was Mad Caddies, dude. Mad Caddy.

[Colin]

Mad Caddy's played the first show I ever went to.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Really?

[Colin]

No effects.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Oh, really? Yeah.

[Colin]

That's fucking crazy.

[Guest Host]

All the same.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah. So I saw Mad Caddy's show and I. And, you know, it Wasn't even like, as like, I just needed to see live music, so I didn't care what it was. So a lot of the local stuff, it was like, you know, it was just, you know, you see these street punk bands, you see these crust bands. You see, I would see these, like, pop punk bands. And I just loved being at the Nile. Like, I literally would just go to the fucking nine.

[Guest Host]

Have you been back since the crazy, like, reconstruction?

[Chappelle Lacy]

I'm trying to think about the last.

[Guest Host]

It's night and day.

[Colin]

It's nice.

[Guest Host]

There's a green room.

[Colin]

Yeah, the green room. And the green room is an apartment.

[Guest Host]

And it's air conditioned.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Really? Oh. The last time I went there was 2017. There was a small, like, comedy club that was like, in the area for a short amount of time where I used to just, like, it was like we would all go try out material there. And then my buddy was security guard at the Nile, which was like, right around the corner from it. So you had to walk by the Nile or whatever. And then I think Devil Wears Prada was playing. Yeah. So that's the last time I like, went there. He was like, yo, go, go watch Devil Wolves product. But I think that was the last time.

[Colin]

Shout Out, Jeremy.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah, I was there. Yeah, yeah.

[Guest Host]

So how. Where does comedy come in? Is it. Is it movies?

[Chappelle Lacy]

Oh, comedy. Is it standing? Hell no. Someone dared me to do it. Really? Yeah, someone dared me to do it when I was cheering in college. So this is post cheerleading. This was like, I was cheering. I was training at University of Louisville in Kentucky, and one of my. I used to get drunk. I don't do that. I'm straight edge now. But like, yes. Come on. And so my buddies used to play these, like, acoustic nights at a bar, you know, like every Monday night. They just, you know. You know like how a bar would be like, hey, you know, kind of open mic. Yeah, yeah. Can you guys play from this time or whatever. And one day they just asked me to come up on stage and, like, talk. And then I told a story about how I wrote a love album for a girl and. Yeah, I know, right? And it did not go well.

[Colin]

Sure.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Meaning like the album, you know, I poured my heart into that.

[Guest Host]

She didn't respond?

[Chappelle Lacy]

No, she laughed at it, you know, and then I asked for my album back, and she was like, okay. And then they told me she downloaded the songs onto her ipod. Those were prize. Well, I'm keeping it.

[Guest Host]

When's the hate album?

[Colin]

Yeah, right. Yeah, the follow up.

[Chappelle Lacy]

The follow up. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was so stupid.

[Guest Host]

What was her name?

[Chappelle Lacy]

I'm not saying her name. What's her name? She still pays attention to everything I do. But she.

[Guest Host]

She knows who she is.

[Chappelle Lacy]

No, it's. It was so funny because, like I named the album brutality in the making because I was like so punk wouldn't still. But that was all acoustic song.

[Colin]

There's something like Midwest emo about that.

[Chappelle Lacy]

That kind of works.

[Guest Host]

There is.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Oh, right there.

[Guest Host]

He's everywhere.

[Chappelle Lacy]

He is right here too.

[Colin]

Nice hat.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Oh, nice beanie.

[Guest Host]

Part of this interruption, we got to talk to you about something extremely important. Are you in a band?

[Chappelle Lacy]

Do you tour?

[Guest Host]

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[Colin]

I bet you do. I sure do.

[Guest Host]

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[Colin]

I couldn't feel better about that, Colin.

[Guest Host]

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[Colin]

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[Guest Host]

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[Colin]

Yeah. Let's reiterate because I've had people ask me, it doesn't matter if you're playing, driving, doing merch teching, front of house monitors. You work at a venue, you're a promoter who does stuff a lot. Put in your info. They're gonna sort you out.

[Guest Host]

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[Colin]

That simple.

[Guest Host]

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[Colin]

Can you see it?

[Guest Host]

Yeah. If you can even see.

[Colin]

Two questions.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah.

[Colin]

Were you the cheer guy? Like, are you tossing?

[Guest Host]

You're the bass. You're the Lucha base.

[Chappelle Lacy]

I was. I was based. But I was. But the thing I was really good at was tumbling. Like I could do all the flips. Yeah, explain. So basically, like when I was younger, I Started watching, like, martial art films. My stepdad loved martial art films. That's the one thing I like them for.

[Colin]

We started the day with the Mortal Kombat.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah. On the way over here. Yeah. So, like, more combat. Like, obviously, the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle movies.

[Colin]

You go one or two?

[Chappelle Lacy]

One. Dude, are you two? Guy, you know, I'm not opposed to three.

[Guest Host]

Yeah, three.

[Chappelle Lacy]

They had the little. The little thing. They had the whatever.

[Colin]

Casey Jones back.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah.

[Guest Host]

Which one's.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Who's two?

[Colin]

That's two.

[Guest Host]

Yeah.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Who's this, too?

[Guest Host]

I wanted that.

[Colin]

Tokar and Razor.

[Guest Host]

I gotta get that.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah.

[Colin]

Kevin Nash is super.

[Chappelle Lacy]

The third one was, like. They had to go to, like, Japan. Yeah, yeah.

[Colin]

I like, like, feudal Japan.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Exactly. Dope. Also, like, surf ninjas.

[Colin]

Like, dude.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah. Yes. Three ninjas is incredible.

[Colin]

Surf ninjas with Kino from Secret of the Ooze. Incredible.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah. So my dad would watch, like, these old school. Like, the old school, like, Asian ones. Like the. Like the real Wu Tang movies. Yeah, like the actual, like, what Wu Tang Clan kind of got their stuff from.

[Guest Host]

And so he was samples.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah, exactly. Yeah, yeah. All the. All the samples you hear. So my. My stepdad will watch a lot of that, and I was just. I love that. So I didn't take karate classes, so I just started teaching myself how to do flips when I was, like, man, I had to be, like, five or six.

[Guest Host]

Do you have any flip home videos?

[Chappelle Lacy]

Oh, when I was younger. Nah, I only have one for when I was, like, like. Cheering.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Chappelle Lacy]

That was unbelievable. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Guest Host]

I don't know how you did that.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Unbelievable.

[Colin]

That was the Cardinals.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Cardinals, yeah. Which was, like, the hot school for cheerleading. Like, it was a really, really hard school to get in. Like. Like to make the team.

[Colin]

And now. Second question.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah.

[Colin]

Tying in Rollins and Stand Up. You and I are the same age. Did you see his, like, did you. On Cocktails?

[Chappelle Lacy]

I got to perform with him. Oh, really? Yeah.

[Colin]

But when. When you were growing up, did you see his, like, his spoken word on.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah, of course, man. Like, his. His words were very powerful for me. Like, I. I always tell people, like, you know, Rollins and, like, Ian McKay, like, you know, their words and what they spoke were, like, literally, like, you know, got me through my childhood. You know what I mean? It. You know, just. I obviously songs like Rise above, you know, from Black Flag, and then, you know, stand up from Minor Threat, you know, hearing that song, you know, stand up and Be counted and, like, hearing those lyrics is just. Yeah, Fuck, yeah, I can do that. You know what I Mean, and those were just like, things that like, just, you know, just helped me. I mean, you know, still today.

[Guest Host]

That's beautiful.

[Colin]

Ian's birthday yesterday.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Dave, tell me happy birthday.

[Colin]

Happy birthday.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Happy birthday, Ian.

[Colin]

So when you're getting into punk and Harcourt, how fast did you get a black flagship?

[Chappelle Lacy]

Immediately. Immediately.

[Guest Host]

The Wind Zone at the amazing mall.

[Chappelle Lacy]

It was. Yeah, it was. It was literally the. The. The scissors. Oh, yeah. That was the first one. I. The. The first one.

[Guest Host]

I love this one.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah. Oh, the. My rules. Yeah, that one's great. That's a great one. Yeah, with the Eminem. Yeah, The. The hand gesture looks so, like, weird. So. Yeah, it's kind of like just like.

[Guest Host]

Petty mom was like.

[Colin]

Yeah, just like, on it. Look at this.

[Chappelle Lacy]

There it is.

[Colin]

Ste. Thank you, Vic.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah, thank you. Vic is the best. It's just so funny because it just looks like. So you, like a lazy.

[Guest Host]

Like, it's like a French guy.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah, exactly.

[Guest Host]

Yeah, you.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah. But the black flag shirt came immediately.

[Colin]

So when we start to advance into punk and hardcore, how do you get hard? Harder. How do you get hard?

[Chappelle Lacy]

How do you get hard?

[Guest Host]

This is bluecherry. Nothing to do with blue.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Nothing to do with.

[Colin]

How do you start to get musically more heavy?

[Chappelle Lacy]

And so you ready for this?

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Chappelle Lacy]

So here's my origin, and here's where it happened for me. I actually started listening to a bunch of Swedish bands.

[Colin]

Oh, like who?

[Chappelle Lacy]

This band called DS13. Demon System 13 out of Umeo, Sweden. Dennis from Refuse. It's his younger brother's man. Okay. And so I started getting into that before I actually got into American hardcore.

[Colin]

No. How did you find that?

[Chappelle Lacy]

Oh, how the Did I find that?

[Guest Host]

You're on the Scandinavian.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah, Right.

[Guest Host]

Downloading.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Crazy.

[Colin]

You'd want the whole album.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah. So my homie gave me a record of DS13, this DS13 album. And it was just so, like, dope for me. And it was like, probably one of, like, the hardest albums that I had heard. And then I just started digging into, like, this Swedish, like, underground scene, you know, in Umio, Sweden. And so obviously, like, you find, like, Refuse, but I was finding, like, bands, like. It's so funny. So I was on Toby Morris One Life, One Chance podcast, and he had Dennis from Refused on oh, shit. And it was so funny. Cause I showed Dennis my tattoo. Cause I have a DS1 or whatever it is.

[Guest Host]

How many of those are.

[Chappelle Lacy]

I know, right?

[Guest Host]

There's about 12 of them exactly in the 113.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Dennis looked at it. He lifted his glasses up. He's just like, how do you know that? Because it's like, it was just so deep, you know what I mean? And I was naming all these bands that. He was just like, who are you? I was like, dude. I was a 15 year old kid that got kicked out of class, so I had to sit in homeroom. I don't know if you guys remember that. Like, homeroom. Yeah. Yeah. So I had to sit in homeroom.

[Guest Host]

Best part of that.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Part of the day. Yeah. And so I had to sit in homeroom. And so I was just on this, on the computer and I found this, like, Deranged Records or whatever. Found that, like, record label, and then it just showed all these, like, Swedish bands. And so that's where it went hard for me.

[Guest Host]

Wow.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah. I didn't get into, like, the American stuff until, like, later. Yeah.

[Colin]

What is that?

[Guest Host]

Pretty good, right?

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah, it's really good. It's really good.

[Colin]

What does that look like as you get into American bands?

[Guest Host]

Looks a little bit like this, my man.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, Mad Ball is just something. I mean, especially when you watch those early videos, man, like that pride video.

[Guest Host]

Yeah.

[Chappelle Lacy]

And just like, what you feel and what it is and like, you know, and I mean, people don't even realize, like, the volumes like, it. It speaks to guys like us and what that, like, means. And, you know, there's always those memes of, like, people that. I don't know who did this, but it's like people in the pit or whatever. And then it said, guys, still not going to therapy or whatever.

[Guest Host]

We don't need it.

[Chappelle Lacy]

We don't need it. We got that. You know what I mean? Which they are. Right. You know what I mean?

[Guest Host]

Therapy is $10.99 with fees.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah, exactly.

[Guest Host]

On.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah. So. So, yeah, Mad Ball. But if I. I mean, if I had to pick one that, like, speaks strong, the strongest to me.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Chappelle Lacy]

It's got to be Tui.

[Guest Host]

Yeah.

[Colin]

Okay, so. So this is, let's see, like, early mid-2000s. It's kind of like into, like.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Oh, you know, you know, actually who did. No, because I stayed there for, like, a while. Honestly, I, like, I, like, I didn't even know about Tui until I met Justice. Oh, I met justice in like, 20. 2020. I had no clue.

[Guest Host]

So we had to retroactively take it all.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah. Yeah. So. So what? So what's cool is that, like, it's all, like, fresh to me in a way that, like. And I think I always, always say this. There's. There's things that come into my life at the right time. You know what I mean? Like, where I feel like I need this, like, boost or whatever, something that, like, kind of just like, lifts me up. And I think when I had met justice before, I even listened to tui, and I was just like, this guy, I thought he was just such an interesting dude and, you know, very well spoken and very nice guy. And then, you know, as I was listening to that, and just like, man, I was like, I needed this at, you know, the age that I was at at the time when I had met him, you know, and it just, like, just, yeah, meant a lot. You know what I mean? Like, those words, like, it kind of, like, it helped me understand because I feel like I've always been like a lone wolf.

[Colin]

Sure.

[Chappelle Lacy]

You know what I mean? I feel like I've always kind of just like. Even. Even though I was like, you know, going to shows, like, I went to shows by myself a lot then also, like, with cheerleading, like, there wasn't many cheerleaders who were like, me, of course. You know what I mean? What are you talking about? You know? And then so also, like, being in comedy, there's not a lot. A lot of guys, you know, like me as well, that are, like, going to these shows like me. Most comedians, like, they're always like, what the fuck are you doing? Like, what is your life? You know what I mean?

[Guest Host]

Are there other, like, punks in comedy that we don't know about?

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah, yeah, for sure. You know, there's this dude named Chris Estrada. He's not in the hardcore per se, but, like, he's like a big clash guy, you know? Like, he's like, in that world of punk, the Kennedys, you know, that kind of stuff. And, you know, there's this dude named in New York named Brian Vokey, who's another guy. I think he played in, like, bands. I think he had a band called neon piss or something like that.

[Colin]

We've all been there, been there, been there.

[Guest Host]

So.

[Colin]

When you get dared at this kind of open mic kind of situation, what year is that hold?

[Chappelle Lacy]

Were you the open mic that was in 2010 in your cheer uniform? I know, right? I should have just went over there. It was funny because I told one person on my team, I was like, hey, man, I think I'm gonna do that comedy thing that people were daring me to do. And he was like, oh, hell yeah. He goes, well, let me know. I'll pull up. I go, cool. I was like, just you, though. Like, I don't want anyone to fuck up, right? Dog. My whole cheer team.

[Guest Host]

But that's beautiful.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Came to this open mic and I was just like, you're building.

[Guest Host]

You got a laugh track.

[Chappelle Lacy]

I know. You know, because I. And I was. And it was so funny. I was, like, so nervous and, you know, obviously. And I remember this guy came up to me, he was like, you're gonna bomb. And he goes, but it's fine. I know, right? Yeah. He goes, but it's fine. You got a bomb. It's fine. He goes, good luck. You know what I mean? I was just like, I don't even know what that means, but, like, I'm the bomb. Yeah. Yeah, I'm the bomb. Oh, yeah. Dude. And so I go up there and, you know, I don't even remember the first jokes I told. You know, it was just me kind of talking shit. I think it was me talking shit about, like, this girl that had led me on. You know what I mean? I was pretty emo classic. Classic. Yeah. It was easy. And she was in the audience too, kind of funny, you know, she's actually right there.

[Guest Host]

Could you stand up?

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah. Could you stand up? Yeah. And so, yeah, after that, I was like, I'm dropping out of college. Soon as I got off stage. No way.

[Colin]

You just felt it.

[Chappelle Lacy]

I felt it. I knew it.

[Colin]

Whoa.

[Guest Host]

I've truly always wondered how that moment happens.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Cause there's like.

[Guest Host]

I have to imagine one of the hardest parts of being a comedian is telling people, like, hey, I think I'm really good at this. I think I'm really funny.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah.

[Guest Host]

And I need to get paid for it.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. To be able to tell yourself, like, you're funny and, like, funny enough. You funny enough to, like, go up on stage and do. And that was the thing. I didn't. I was like. I don't know. I didn't really know much about comedy. Like, I knew some, like, you know, some pretty dominant comedy specials, but I thought only famous people did it. Like, if you're an actor. I thought. I didn't know that, like, you could just go to Path. Yes.

[Guest Host]

To get there.

[Chappelle Lacy]

I didn't know you can go to, like, you. They all started at open mics and. And, you know, do, you know, building themselves as a comedian. Because, like, I knew Dave Chappelle's killing them softly. Right. But I knew Dave Chappelle were, like, half baked and, like, you know, screwed. Screwed in. There's a linen tights. You know what I mean? So, like, I knew.

[Colin]

Look at yourself.

[Chappelle Lacy]

I knew him for the.

[Guest Host]

Screwed bit where he's talking about what he's going to do with the money when they finally get it.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah, yeah.

[Guest Host]

And his response is, eliminate my menu.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah, yeah.

[Guest Host]

Goes through my head once a day.

[Colin]

Something we were talking about this morning.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah.

[Colin]

And something we often talk about is wrestling, comedy and underground music are all kind of the same thing for sure. You're grinding, you're cutting your teeth. Getting paid, dog.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah.

[Colin]

And you gotta go, go, go. And the ones who last kind of last. Just you can cut the line.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah.

[Guest Host]

And be bigger, miraculously, in a Dane Cook esque way.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah, yeah.

[Guest Host]

Where everybody hates your guts. But you're getting paid.

[Colin]

But you're getting paid. But what I find, what we like and why we identify with it is like, you guys are going up for 5 minutes, 10 minutes at first, not getting paid very well. It's just over and over. And we identify with that because we do that.

[Guest Host]

It's the same for years.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah, yeah. I mean, you, I mean, the thing is, it's the traditional of like, you know, you eat what you kill. You know what I mean? So, like, if you don't go out and like, do something about it or, you know, make the thing happen that you want to make happen, then. Yeah. Like, you can't just expect anything. And you know. Yeah. A lot of times, like you're, you know, with comedy especially, you're eating like a bag of dicks on stage until like you finally hit that moment where you make the whole crowd laugh, you know what I mean? And no one's looking at you weird. They're looking at you like, wow, this guy's good. This guy's good. You know, and so when you feel that moment, you get addicted to it, obviously. And then it just makes you want to go more and more and more. And that's like the beauty of. And I, you know, I love things that are like super, super hard to do. Like the type of cheerleading I did was like competitive cheer. And it was like, it's really, really hard, you know, I mean, you're going out there and like, you, you know, jam back, jam, packing like all these skills into a 2 minute and 30 second routine. And you're like throwing humans in the air and you got to catch them with your hands and, and you, you're doing all these flips and you gotta land on your feet and all in 2, 2 minutes and 30 seconds. So, like, you know, in, in doing that, I was just like, I got to be the best that I can be at this. So I got like, really, really good, like Scholarships for World Champ for it, all these things. So you did.

[Guest Host]

You won your gold? You're a medal?

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah, yeah. Medalist, gold medalist. Like I say, World Champ, legit beat other countries. So it wasn't like, you know, like World Series, you know, where, you know, but. And so doing that and also with skateboarding, that was like another thing too. Like, when I started off with that, it was like, I want to be the best that I can be at this. And that's just kind of how I like, my brain, like, trains me and. And honestly, like, you know, learning about the ethics of, like, DIY in the punk and hardcore world and just kind of having that foundation, you know. I think it catches a lot of, like, these industry people that I like, you know, because I'm in that world in a sense and, you know, catches them off guard to where I'm like, okay, well, really, if you don't want to help me, it's cool. I got it. You know what I mean? Like, it's like, I'll do it, you know, I don't give a fuck, you know, and like wild stories. Like, my manager, she comes from hardcore, you know what I mean? It's kind of crazy. Like. Like she was stage diving it, like gorilla biscuits, you know, like, she gets it. Yeah, she gets it.

[Guest Host]

So that's the perfect partnership.

[Chappelle Lacy]

And it's crazy how we came together and all this stuff and it's just like so wild and like she's like a tatted up, you know, human and. And she. Meanwhile, she's around these, like, suits and all this stuff, but, like, you know, she speaks, you know, like speaking on my behalf, you know, as my manager. She fucking kills it, but she understands.

[Guest Host]

You know, and that can't be taught. It has to be experienced.

[Chappelle Lacy]

It cannot. It has to be experienced, you know, so she. She comes from the. She comes from the world, you know, and that's perfect.

[Colin]

So she's like a double agent. She's like a wolf in sheep's clothing.

[Guest Host]

Somebody bullshits her, she comes in and goes, this guy's full.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Oh, yeah, she'll. She'll let me know immediately. Like, you know, she could read it and she, like, she could see my face whenever, you know, something's like, oh, she'll fucking. I'll tell you a story off camera.

[Guest Host]

Yeah, for sure.

[Colin]

There was something I mentioned before. I won't. I don't even remember names, but, like, one of the times when I. I went and saw Ian and I was hanging out in the green room, and there is such a Clear distinction between, oh, do you know this guy who's over here? And oh, yeah, I did that club. Oh, yeah, I did. And then people who aren't that way.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah.

[Colin]

There's such a clear, like, cut. And you can. And it tends to be people are a little more.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah.

[Colin]

DIY side versus. I don't know. I don't know.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah, exactly. Yeah. In my. My thing is like, you know, especially learning from, like, Rollins. Like, Rollins is like, get up and go, you know, like his shit. Like, he's just. And so I kind of like live by that, you know, Like, I've only been in LA for seven years and, you know, it's very flattering. Yeah, it's very flattering that people are like. People think I've been here way longer than what I have because of the things that I've been able to accomplish.

[Colin]

But I assumed you grew up here until he told me.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah, yeah.

[Colin]

This morning.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah, I molded in pretty, like, well. And you know, the Nile Underground will mold you. It'll mold you. It'll mold you.

[Colin]

It'll melt you.

[Chappelle Lacy]

You'll be clean. Man, they used to have this couch up in that bitch. That couch was so dirty. And I remember one time I fell asleep during one of the bands, like, playing. I fell asleep on that couch. And I'm telling you, there's probably been just pissed, spit, like all this. But it's also like, I woke up and was like, yeah, it's fucking. Yeah, what we do. You know what I mean?

[Guest Host]

Are there local Arizona bands from that time?

[Chappelle Lacy]

Where he goes there?

[Guest Host]

Where he goes there.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah.

[Guest Host]

Was Run with the Hunted. Arizona. Am I correct there?

[Chappelle Lacy]

Were they Arizona?

[Guest Host]

I don't know.

[Chappelle Lacy]

I can't remember.

[Guest Host]

Let me ask, what was Mark Nova's band?

[Chappelle Lacy]

And then also I was going to, like, a lot of Crush shows. Nice crust was, like, fun. And I didn't even dress that way. Really? Yeah, I think it's ugly. Horrible.

[Guest Host]

Look good shirt.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Brown. Brown. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Dude, I remember when I bought the. I can't remember which record it is that I bought it then, but that was like.

[Guest Host]

Misery Index.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah. Misery index. Yes.

[Colin]

I mean, that's. Yeah, we call that a double. So you. You finish it and you just let it go.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah, yeah. Just like, it's fine.

[Colin]

Cuz it's 18 minutes.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah, 18. Yeah.

[Colin]

Do you remember the first set you did with Standup out of State? Because that's always a big thing for us is like, when you play outside of your home state, it's like we're doing It.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Oh, man. I want to say where I. I went to dc. Fuck.

[Colin]

Yeah, it's pretty far.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Dc. Yeah, it's pretty far. Yeah. Was it. That was the first time.

[Colin]

Was it for a show or like a fest or something?

[Chappelle Lacy]

It was for a show I was opening for Frank Caliendo, OG Comedian. Yeah, yeah. There's a lot of impressions and stuff like that. Yeah. He.

[Guest Host]

Is he a mad TV guy?

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Colin]

Oh, yeah, I know that guy. He's awesome.

[Chappelle Lacy]

He does the.

[Guest Host]

Madden.

[Colin]

John Madden, John Gruden.

[Chappelle Lacy]

He does, yeah, yeah. Bush. He does. Yeah. So much.

[Colin]

He's unbelievable.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah. He took me to D.C. in which, like, D.C. is probably like one of my top favorite cities to perform in.

[Colin]

We're gonna get.

[Chappelle Lacy]

They just. They handle comedy really well.

[Guest Host]

Beautiful.

[Chappelle Lacy]

You know what I mean? And like. Because they're all like, you know, I think. I just think they're. They accept it for the art that it is, the art form that it is.

[Colin]

Well, because they're living in bureaucratic.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Exactly.

[Guest Host]

They need a break.

[Colin]

They need this.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah.

[Guest Host]

More than they need.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah, exactly.

[Colin]

Absolutely. You know, Beautiful. Should we take a look at maybe some shirts?

[Guest Host]

Maybe she's looking. Some shirts.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah.

[Colin]

What do you look for? I know you're not buying your off shirts.

[Chappelle Lacy]

I look for. I look for things that people do not have.

[Guest Host]

Okay.

[Colin]

Beautiful. Love it.

[Chappelle Lacy]

I'm like, I'm very strategic about the shirts that I buy.

[Guest Host]

You don't want to be showing up match. You don't want to be this guy.

[Chappelle Lacy]

No, no.

[Guest Host]

You don't want to do this.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Dual shot. Come on. Yeah, exactly. I do not want to do that at all. So I try to find, like, something that I know that most people are just not gonna have. Like. And that's why I get, like. That's why I come to find out. That's why a lot of people comment on my shirts because so many are like, where'd you get that? Where'd you get that? You know, like, I find, like, the unique ones. Oh, they have a phobia shirt. Wow.

[Guest Host]

I like that. I like that. You put on for a lot of current bands.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yes, I do. Yeah. You know, because, you know, I just remember there was a time, I mean, remember those days of watching, like, Dawson's Creek, and at the end of the show, they would, like, talk. They would, like, show you what bands were like on. You know, that's how I have that.

[Guest Host]

And the OC they're like.

[Chappelle Lacy]

They would play the band.

[Colin]

They were like, yeah, this is fucking interesting.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Graduate by Third Eye Blind. You Know, that's how you get it. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like, track, dude, track.

[Colin]

That whole record is great.

[Chappelle Lacy]

But that's my kind of crazy.

[Colin]

Yeah, the whole record is great.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah.

[Guest Host]

They couldn't do it again. Who needs to do it again?

[Chappelle Lacy]

They got them. But, like, you would see that. And so. Yeah, man. I always try to, like, rep for, like, the. The younger bands out there, because why not? You know what I mean?

[Guest Host]

Absolutely.

[Chappelle Lacy]

You know, also, like, I love them. You know what I mean? I love them. If I love it, I'm going to rock it, you know, I don't want to rock something that, you know, especially, you know. And it's funny because we were, you know, I do from time to time, get people. Because people don't know, you know, like.

[Guest Host]

That'S why we're here.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah. They'll ask me, like, how many, you know, the three. Three songs, you know, what's your favorite? There's one time I. I had posted a clip and I'm wearing a black flag shirt and this guy was like, I can't. I bet he can't even name. Blah, blah, blah. Because the clip went kind of viral and it was like a flag. Yeah, yeah, exactly. And then people were like, ripping this dude apart because they were like, you have no idea who this guy is. Like, for you to come here and say that. And then they're like, but he can he. And then he's. They're like, just do some type of search. Just do some type of search.

[Colin]

Not only can he, but it's like, name three Michael Jackson songs. It's like the most recognizable punk band ever.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Ever.

[Colin]

It's hilarious.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Ever. But, yeah, but, yeah, that is one of my favorite things is to put on shirts of, like, you know, younger bands and stuff like that.

[Guest Host]

I mean, you talk about finding Tui in 2020, and they've been a band for 13. They've been a man for 13 years at that point.

[Chappelle Lacy]

It shows.

[Guest Host]

It does take time to be timeless, you know?

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah.

[Guest Host]

There was a culture shift in hardcore to that demo and their 7 inch and both LPs.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah.

[Guest Host]

But it's cool to see somebody who's like this music their entire life connect with something modern and be like, no, this is the best.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah, I mean, I definitely, you know, I'll be on the search, you know, I love, you know, finding out about, like, especially if it's something that's already been around. You know what I mean? I love finding out about it. And I remember being a kid, this is the funny stuff. My funny story with MAD Ball is, like, I remember being a kid, and I remember getting this, like, magazine back in the day that I would give. You know, I can't remember exactly, but on the back of the magazine, it would just, like, have all these, like, bands, like, logos and, like, names or whatever, and. But, like, I thought Mad Ball was, like, in the world of, like, Pantera for some reason. You know what I mean? Like, I don't know why. Because it was like. I remember just seeing those names, like, near each other in this, like, magazine and like that. And then meanwhile, then when I, you know, got into the. Set it off record and, you know. But I mean, demonstrating my style is like, you know, that is from the very beginning.

[Guest Host]

Do you have a favorite Mad Ball record overall?

[Chappelle Lacy]

Mad Ball record, overall.

[Guest Host]

Yeah.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Damn, that's tough.

[Guest Host]

We.

[Chappelle Lacy]

We find, like, as we get older, we also, like, hold it down.

[Guest Host]

It's like we become hold it down.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Guys, you know, like, it's.

[Colin]

That set it off is like, kind of the one. And then I think once you.

[Chappelle Lacy]

I think set it off as, like, a guaranteed.

[Colin]

A guaranteed.

[Chappelle Lacy]

You know what I mean? That's a given.

[Guest Host]

Front to back, perfect. But then you find you later. The depth.

[Chappelle Lacy]

I know.

[Colin]

I think Can't Stop, Won't Stop is one of the best hardcore songs ever.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah. I mean. Yeah. I was like, it's a short song.

[Colin]

Into the title track, and then into the title track.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Oh, the way it hits it to that chorus, just.

[Colin]

Yeah, yeah. That's a great song.

[Guest Host]

Are there other modern hardcore bands that you've really connected with?

[Colin]

Yeah. Like, when. When did you hear Terror for the first time?

[Chappelle Lacy]

Terror for the first time.

[Guest Host]

They had a seasonal residence at the Nile.

[Chappelle Lacy]

They were Frank Sinatra.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Of the Nile.

[Guest Host]

The grand wasn't built. Yeah.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Tony Bennett. Rat Pack.

[Guest Host]

Terror of the night. Exactly. 100%.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Terror was around that time, too.

[Colin]

Yeah. Good.

[Chappelle Lacy]

You know what I mean? Around the time of, like, Tui. So Tui was, like, the gateway to, like, a lot of that stuff that I just, like, took it ones I really like right now. Painter Truth. Beautiful. Yeah. They hit really, really fucking hard, man. And their shows look fun. I haven't gotten to see them live yet, but, like, the shows look like so much fun, you know, I was at Speed the other night, and I got it. How was that? It was great, man. I mean, they're good, and they're like the sweetest humans.

[Guest Host]

100%.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Like, I'm like, how do you. I'm like, who made you guys. You know what I mean? They're just like, Australian God is different.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Guest Host]

American God.

[Chappelle Lacy]

My first time actually seeing Speed at Sound of Fury, I want to say maybe 2022. I think it was the first time ever playing America.

[Guest Host]

Sure.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah. There was. That was.

[Colin]

Oh, no, it was two.

[Guest Host]

That was the show that, like.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah, exactly. That was one where the guy was like.

[Colin]

And Shaq retweeted that one.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah, yeah, exactly. That's the show that. Yeah, So I saw them there, and I was just like, fuck, yeah.

[Colin]

Like, we were watching that from kind of across the field.

[Guest Host]

Just like, oh, Lord, something's happening.

[Chappelle Lacy]

What is happening? Yeah, I had my own, like, angle of that dude.

[Colin]

Yeah, yeah.

[Chappelle Lacy]

You know. Yeah. Crowd kill, whatever. And so it was just kind of funny that that was the thing that, like, really obviously, like, popped it off. It was so dope, you know what I mean?

[Colin]

Were you in, like, going back a little bit in those early punk, like, mad caddies? Were you in just the. The silliest push pit?

[Chappelle Lacy]

I mean, come on. Of course. You had to be. Yeah. You had to be.

[Colin]

You're like, all your shoes get dirt.

[Guest Host]

Are you tumbling in the pit? Are you backflipping?

[Chappelle Lacy]

Oh, I used to, all the time.

[Guest Host]

Really?

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah. I used to flip. I used to do front flips over there.

[Guest Host]

I mean, I would hope so.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah. People. People thought it was, like, the dopest thing. They used to. I don't think they had a nickname for me. I feel like they were shout flips or Flips or whatever. Whatever. But I would just, like, literally just run up front, flip over somebody, and then just, like, you know, go for it. Wow. Yeah. I was crazy.

[Guest Host]

Were you ever, like, a small guy or have you been.

[Chappelle Lacy]

I mean, I was, like, a lot more shredded, I'm sure. Like, I mean, also, I was bigger than most people, for sure. Yeah.

[Guest Host]

You know, but I would trust you.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Guest Host]

Physically.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah, dude. I would have people set up. I was like, get down. I would just be like, like, yeah. And then we would just get it.

[Guest Host]

If I had that ability.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah.

[Guest Host]

Everyone would know. So I hope. I hope, I hope you.

[Chappelle Lacy]

He goes, I'll tell everybody.

[Guest Host]

They're gonna know. That's the backflip, guys.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah.

[Guest Host]

Yeah.

[Chappelle Lacy]

One of my favorite stories from like. Like this how much, like, pits and, like, the music meant so much to me. I remember I ditched cheer practice to go see. Sorry, coach.

[Guest Host]

Cheer, bad boy.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Cheer, bad boy over here. I ditched cheer practice to go see. There was co headlining tour. It was circle jerks and gbh. Right. And I think circle jerks Went first to. This one is at the Marquee. Marquee Theater. And so I was so excited. And I remember Circle Jerks had clothes with Nervous Breakdown. And I have Nervous Breakdown tatted on my stomach.

[Colin]

Oh, no shit.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Not at the time. Not when I was 2.

[Colin]

But you identified with that song.

[Chappelle Lacy]

I identified with that song.

[Colin]

Rollins version or DEZ version.

[Chappelle Lacy]

So this is how I pick Black Flag singers.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah. So I love all of them. Rollins is my number one. But I love Keith Morris's Nervous Breakdown. I love Dez's version of, like, American Waist.

[Colin]

Beautiful.

[Chappelle Lacy]

I love Rollins version of, like, Thirsty and Miserable. And then Ron Reyes, I love his no Values.

[Colin]

Ron Reyes. I can never remember that guy's name.

[Chappelle Lacy]

So, yeah, so, like, that's how I.

[Guest Host]

Are they your favorite band you're doing? That was favorite.

[Chappelle Lacy]

It's Oasis and Black Flag, back and forth. Yeah, yeah. Now you cook it.

[Guest Host]

Are you a Be Here now guy?

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah, of course. Yeah. Come on now. Yeah.

[Guest Host]

I think if Acquiesce. This is my. I say this all the time. If Acquiesce and Master Plan were on Be Here now, it would be the best record.

[Chappelle Lacy]

The best record. It would be massive.

[Guest Host]

We wouldn't be hearing any of this bullshit.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Massive. So, yeah, they closed with Nervous Breakdown. And I remember there was a barricade at the show, which was, like, kind of odd, you know, because most shows aren't barricades. And I remember Keith said, come up if you want to sing it. And then I was just like. And then I. You know, so I hop over the barricade, and I remember I got standing. Yeah. Just hopped over. And I Immediately, as I tried to get to the stage, I got tackled. Security tackled me. We broke something that was down there. And he was holding me down, holding me down, right? And then all of a sudden, I see his head, like, doing this, and I just hear, get the fuck off him. Get off him. Get off him. And fucking. He gets off of me. And I see a hand reach out. It was Keith Morris.

[Colin]

Oh, man.

[Chappelle Lacy]

He grabbed my hand and he pulled me up on stage and let me finish the song. Wow. Yeah.

[Guest Host]

OG you never forget that.

[Chappelle Lacy]

I'll never forget that.

[Guest Host]

That's the thing where you.

[Chappelle Lacy]

That's what I knew. Like, the community aspect of, like, who we are, what we do. Like, we fully understand each other. You know what I mean? He understood, like, yo, that's not what we do. That's not what. You're not here to fucking kill this kid. You know, Also, the security guard probably didn't Think I was a kid because I was like his size.

[Guest Host]

I was like this guy just fucking.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Quadrupled backflips up here.

[Guest Host]

What do you want me to do, Sarge? Take him down.

[Chappelle Lacy]

I can't get him. I can't get him, dude.

[Colin]

Yeah, I'll try.

[Guest Host]

I can't.

[Chappelle Lacy]

He's too fast. His vertical leap.

[Guest Host]

Damn it. I got him.

[Chappelle Lacy]

That was great. You got good hops.

[Guest Host]

Yeah. See? Nothing.

[Colin]

Let him get loose, it'll spin kicking.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah.

[Guest Host]

So in terms of touring.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Okay.

[Guest Host]

We were talking earlier about how a stand up comedian. You figured it out.

[Colin]

You cracked the code.

[Guest Host]

You're a one person army.

[Colin]

Let us explain.

[Guest Host]

Yeah, a little.

[Colin]

For those listening.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah.

[Colin]

So like I said, comedy, music, wrestling, wrestlers are often like when Brody was starting out, it's just him, but he's got his wardrobe, he's got merch if he wants it, he's got all the he has to deal with. We are splitting five ways, sometimes six. We've got gear, all the checking in the airport with a ton of people dry like all the. That comes with that. Do you even bring a mic with you?

[Chappelle Lacy]

No.

[Guest Host]

Figure you don't even know. Need to know what a pelican case is.

[Chappelle Lacy]

No, no, never, never.

[Colin]

Have you got a perfect case? You know, you guys figured it out.

[Chappelle Lacy]

I don't even have to do a damn sound check.

[Guest Host]

Is the microphone on if it doesn't work? That's hilarious.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Also I was a cheerleader. I'll shout it.

[Guest Host]

Yeah, right.

[Chappelle Lacy]

I got this. I am Chappelle. Pretty good motion.

[Guest Host]

He's tight, he's German.

[Colin]

Take it easy. Yeah. So like you. I. I never knew until probably Covid when like I was really on just YouTube all the time.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah.

[Colin]

That like. Oh, comedians like grind. And that's kind of when this popped into my head. So that's, that's exactly what we were trying to, to point out is like with touring, your first early tours.

[Guest Host]

Yeah.

[Colin]

Are you, aside from going to dc, like are you hitting the road? Are you flying? If you don't mind me asking.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Like, yeah, so. Yeah, so a lot of, A lot of, you know, for right now, like a lot of it is flying.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Until I start getting like the theaters. Cuz like so like the way comedy clubs work is like you're going out and doing weekends. So you go out do.

[Colin]

Which is also you beat it.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah, exactly.

[Colin]

The cheat code.

[Chappelle Lacy]

So you, so you go in Thursday, you leave Sunday and so you go, you go back home, wherever you are and then you go and you kind of Repeat the same process or whatever. But sometimes you do some off nights or whatever. Like usually starting out touring, you do some off nights at some clubs and stuff like that.

[Colin]

And aren't you like at the same venue multiple nights too?

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah, you're at the same venue multi night. So you do. Yeah, early and late shows. So like Thursday you'll usually do just one show. It'll be like a, you know, 8pm show.

[Colin]

People got work.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah, yeah, exactly. So yeah, you know, and then the next nights, like Friday and Saturday nights, it's like a 7pm show and then like a 9:30 show or whatever. And that's pretty much what you do throughout the weekend. But as you're building and like once you start selling out these clubs because, you know, some of these rooms are like, you know, in the range of like 250 to maybe 500 at most. And if you're selling out those, you know, bigger 500 seat rooms, like if you're selling out five shows over a weekend, yeah, you can move up to theaters. But for comedians it's a little tougher to make money in a theater because it's expensive to.

[Guest Host]

It's expensive to turn the lights on.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah, exactly. So. So the way you make your money is if you're really selling tickets, you do two shows.

[Colin]

Right.

[Chappelle Lacy]

So you do it early in a late show.

[Colin]

Yeah, the Chicago theater. I'm from Chicago.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah, the Vic theater.

[Colin]

No, Chicago theater right on State street is like one of the most beautiful, gorgeous places I've ever seen. And I'm not really into comedy. I'm more so in comedy last few years. But like growing up I never really was, but I went and saw Eddie Izzard perform there.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah, yeah.

[Colin]

And I was like, oh, this is just must. What it always be like. Yeah, clearly there's all these people here. He's there doing one show. Like it's got to be, you know. And yeah, when once I start learning about like our side of the industry and like venue costs and overhead and staffing and security in front of house and all the. You gotta like pay for it. Yeah.

[Chappelle Lacy]

And the difference like so I say like so. I mean, you guys can correct me if I'm wrong, but I think so. Selling tickets at comedy is really hard. It's like, like that's like another step because you could be funny as fuck. But getting people to like go, I'm going to buy a ticket and sit down and watch this person be funny, be funny.

[Guest Host]

Instead of just like, hey, I'm in town for the night. Wonder if there's some. Some comedy.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Exactly. You know what I mean? So it's. It takes a while to, like, sell some tickets. I mean, sometimes, like, you know, some random things will just pop off for you online or whatever to where you're able to do. So a lot of times, yeah. Oh, thank you.

[Guest Host]

We're real grinds, man.

[Colin]

So that's another. Another similarity also with wrestlers.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah, the reels are really what, dude.

[Colin]

If you're a 1099, you need a real.

[Chappelle Lacy]

You need a real. Yeah, it really. It really helps us out. But I think with bands it might be a little bit easier because you can stack the bill. Like, you know, this band has a falling. This man has a falling. Like, not like major following, but, like, collectively we can make a show happen. You know what I mean? Whereas, like, comedy, you're a lone wolf. So.

[Colin]

So then when you're. When you have openers and features, is that how it goes? Like direct supporters, a feature?

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah.

[Colin]

So when you're doing that, are you, like, do the headliners have hands on in that or is it just kind of like the club has a guy?

[Chappelle Lacy]

So, like, if you ever want to bring, like, if you ever want someone to open for you specifically, that's all on you, you know what I mean? But also, like, you gotta get them there, you know what I mean? Whereas, like, you know, like, until you're, like, making like, pretty good money and can pay for someone to come out, like, come out there, like, a lot of times you're just using what the locals that they have in town.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Chappelle Lacy]

And sometimes, same as hardcore. Same sometimes.

[Colin]

Hardcore, yeah, yeah.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Listen, we need local talent.

[Guest Host]

The shitty local opener goes on to be the headliner someday.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Exactly. And it does happen. You know what I mean? Like, I've bombed for, like, locally, for, like, being a local in Arizona. I've bombed for, like, headliners, you know, before, whatever. And like, now I'm at where I'm at.

[Colin]

But now when you say bond. Let's see if we can translate this first.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Go for it. Yeah.

[Colin]

Because we'll have sets that like. I'm sorry, just do it. Like the FYA set that he. We played a fest in Florida. He was playing guitar in his newer band, Holy Blade. Didn't go so great. A lot of technical issues.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Oh, really?

[Guest Host]

You know, it's not the band Murphy's Law, but the. The idea. Murphy's Law. That's me.

[Colin]

That was. That's what happened.

[Guest Host]

I'm Murphy.

[Chappelle Lacy]

I would call that.

[Colin]

I would call that, respectfully, a bomb. As I'm thinking this will translate. But then you'll have a set where, like, it felt good, everybody played good, and people seemed into it, but it wasn't crazy.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah.

[Colin]

Do you know what I'm saying? How do you distinguish what a bomb is? What's a bomb?

[Chappelle Lacy]

So I think there's level to it. Levels to it as you get, like, better and, like, into comedy. Like, if it's just like, okay, laughs, I'm like, that was a bomb. But, like. Like, when no one's laughing, that's. That's, like, you know, now, like, now, like, you know, like, your talent, if you're. If you're doing what you're supposed to do, your talent's gonna grow. Yeah. There's times I've gone up there and, like, had, like, an okay set, but I've gotten really good at, like, understanding how to, like, just take the bomb. Take it what it is. You know what I mean? Because there's times you cannot get out of it. And it's so funny because, like, there's this thing in comedy, like, if someone's bombing and they know it, they're trying to pull whatever they can to just get that one laugh. And sometimes they'll run. And sometimes they'll run the light where you're like, dog, you not getting it. You're not gonna get that laugh, you know? And it just. It just happens that way. But, you know, like, is that a.

[Guest Host]

Rite of passage, though?

[Colin]

It has to be.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah.

[Guest Host]

You gotta experience that to appreciate the good one.

[Chappelle Lacy]

There's a line I heard, like, in order to. You gotta know what it's like to lose in order to win. Beautiful. You know what I mean? Which I think that's like. Yeah. You know, if you haven't lost anything, then what are you really. What knowledge have you, like, truly gained?

[Guest Host]

Kevin Space Face.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Did he say that? Russell would. His name and actors would really establish.

[Colin]

Would really establish, like, headliner comedians have sets that they would. They would say they bombed on for sure. So it's just. It's just a ubiquitous thing.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Everyone understand homies and sold out, like, headlines, sold out theaters. And they'll get off stage and like, you know, that wasn't that, was it?

[Guest Host]

And Are you watching that? Like, what are you talking about?

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah, sometimes. But then. But then I. I'll get it. Like, if they, you know, especially if they know what they've, like, been able to do in a theater. You know what I mean? Especially when they know, like, what they have happened before, like, it's like, no, I'VE gotten laughter stronger than that.

[Guest Host]

You got any tricks for when a bomb is occurring?

[Chappelle Lacy]

I go, I go, this is what you get. I go, I ain't tap dancing anymore. You know? I was like, I'm not gonna juggle. I'm not gonna do anything. I'm gonna just say the rest of the set, you know, that's what I do.

[Guest Host]

That's good. It's fascinating integrity.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah, yeah, of course. Yeah. I'm like, I'm not gonna. What?

[Guest Host]

Beautiful?

[Chappelle Lacy]

Hell no. I mean, because. Yeah, like, where was I at Miami? Miami's tough. Really?

[Guest Host]

But they're ship faced, right? Are they too shit faced?

[Chappelle Lacy]

But it's like they want. They want a party.

[Colin]

Okay.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah, it is tough. At one point in time, like when I was up there bombing, I just started. I go, you guys, I was like this. I feel like it's leg day. I just started. I was like, I guess you started ringing it. Yeah. And then they come up to me after, like, but that was great. I go, but you guys. What do you mean? Yeah, I was like, well, you guys had no reaction.

[Colin]

Wow.

[Chappelle Lacy]

You know, I was like, I'm not over here doing a think piece.

[Guest Host]

So are there other cities like that where you're like, fuck, it's gonna.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Whenever I get whatever I have to go tonight, man. I don't know. And, you know, sometimes with the Miami one, I'm like, man, that. I guarantee you it's nice. But other cities, no, you know, there's. There's not too many where I'm like, I hate going there.

[Guest Host]

Okay.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Most of them are pretty good. Yeah.

[Colin]

Pretty beautiful.

[Guest Host]

What do you say we go check out some records?

[Colin]

Sounds great.

[Guest Host]

I think that sounds fun.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah, that's really great. Yeah.

[Colin]

Awesome. All right, Vic. Thank you for having us.

[Guest Host]

Thank you.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Beautiful store. Yes. Look at that guy. It'll make him like that. Come.

[Guest Host]

Not here. Russia.

[Colin]

Plug the store.

[Guest Host]

Mills Vintage. Yeah, you can come get one of these Phobia before Chappelle buys it. So you better be fine. This episode is also brought to you by MadVintage.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Baby.

[Guest Host]

M A D D Vintage dot com. Any band we're talking about on this show, you can often go on there, find the coolest shirt you ever seen. Buy it if you use code HARDLORE15. You're gonna get 15% off that thing.

[Colin]

Something else that's neat that I've been doing recently too is you can also see shirts that he's had in the past that'll say sold out. But it'll give you an idea for something you might Be on the lookout for. Also, Luke at Mad Vintage is. He's looking to buy, he's looking to trade, he's looking to get your stuff. He is gonna. He was at ldb. He's gonna be at the Rumble. He's gonna be at Tied Down. He's gonna be at all kinds of stuff.

[Guest Host]

That's right.

[Colin]

And he's gonna have stuff with him that you're gonna want.

[Guest Host]

It's true. So save your shekels and maybe shout hard lore 15 at him in person to see what he does.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Guest Host]

I look forward to trying it. I'll do it very loud. So we'll see you very soon at all these places. Luke will be there. Madvintage.com Go there, check it out. Hardcore section, metal section, movie section. There's all kinds of cool shit. He's got posters now, hats. There's stuff you don't know you're looking for that may just alter the course of your existence.

[Colin]

Beautiful.

[Guest Host]

Don't quote me. Hey, we're back with Chappelle Lacy. We're at Going Underground Records in Little Tokyo. Let's go in, find some records we like.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Let's do it.

[Guest Host]

Beautiful. Chappelle.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Let's.

[Guest Host]

Let's find some records that shaped you here. Okay, what do we got?

[Chappelle Lacy]

Where do we begin? Where do we begin?

[Colin]

There's a punk 7 inch section over there.

[Guest Host]

Oh, there is? Yeah. That's a good section. Do you go. When you walk in a record shop, do you go for the wall first? Are you looking for the first pressing stuff?

[Chappelle Lacy]

No, I usually. I usually take it. I usually take a dip here.

[Guest Host]

I'm a wall man.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah. You never know.

[Guest Host]

That's where the heat is. Still a lot of thumb burn.

[Chappelle Lacy]

See? Burnt.

[Guest Host]

This is. This is the record.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah.

[Guest Host]

Shall be judged one of the hardest mosh parts with no cymbals ever recorded there. Or no snare, I guess.

[Chappelle Lacy]

No snare.

[Guest Host]

Incredible.

[Colin]

Are you. Are you a record collector, Chappelle?

[Chappelle Lacy]

You know, I barely, barely, barely, barely, barely started.

[Guest Host]

Just your favorites.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah, just my favorites. I was like, let me do that.

[Colin]

That.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Actually, I don't have a. Trying to think, do I have any Black Flag ones? I'm surprised. You know, a lot of. A lot of fans will send me, like, that's cool. Records and stuff. People are pretty generous. Very, very nice.

[Guest Host]

Yeah, a lot of this old punk stuff, especially around that time. Those are five $10,000 records now, dude.

[Chappelle Lacy]

It's crazy, isn't it crazy?

[Guest Host]

We're misfits, guys. And that's a. It's an Expensive hobby.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Expensive hobby.

[Colin]

I bought every Misfits bootleg that I could find because I have conceded that I'll just never own. Own a full.

[Chappelle Lacy]

It's irresponsible.

[Colin]

He did give me a Walk Among Us.

[Guest Host]

I did.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Oh, nice.

[Colin]

Which was very nice.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah, nice.

[Guest Host]

But whatever.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Now, were you. Were you guys also. Did you guys also get down with the Michael Graves era, too?

[Colin]

Absolutely.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Oh, yeah, man. That was.

[Guest Host]

You know, I have heard. Even Glenn has said it's not the Misfits, but it's not bad.

[Chappelle Lacy]

It's not bad.

[Guest Host]

Yes. About. I mean, it's about American Psycho in particular.

[Chappelle Lacy]

I mean, America, that's the one I like more.

[Guest Host]

You like that? I'm a famous monsters guy.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Your famous monsters guys. I think I'm an American Psycho. That was just song.

[Colin]

American Cycle.

[Guest Host]

Incredible.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Incredible Psycho dude. What's the melodies and like those. Those Speaking the devil. Speak of the Devil.

[Guest Host]

Unbelievable track. You're awesome.

[Colin]

Great. He ruled great records. And I agree with that. It's not the Misfits, not the M.

[Guest Host]

Pretty cool, but it's pretty good.

[Chappelle Lacy]

You know, I'm trying to think of, like, if I had to pick, like, a song from each one of them, like, Death Comes Ripping. I mean, that is. That song just. That's a.

[Guest Host]

Hardcore song.

[Chappelle Lacy]

It's a hardcore song. That song rips.

[Colin]

We're huge champions of the Misfits to the point where we have said that without them, possibly no Metallica, for sure. No Metallica? No.

[Chappelle Lacy]

A lot. They're early. I mean, Metallica, when they first started, they were like, covering misfit songs.

[Colin]

They would cover Misfit songs.

[Chappelle Lacy]

They would rock the T shirts all the time. I mean, that famous photo of Cliff Burton and the Misfits. Cliff, there's a.

[Guest Host]

There's a quote in Tom Bo Scream with Me where he talks about how Cliff got the whole band of the Misfits. Like, Cliff was the Misfits guy.

[Chappelle Lacy]

He was the guy.

[Guest Host]

And Glenn came to one of their shows and Cliff ran in the back and goes, I met him.

[Chappelle Lacy]

I met him.

[Guest Host]

I met the Misfits guy. He looks like Eddie Munster.

[Chappelle Lacy]

As usual. I mean, a lot of those guys. I mean, I know Rollins was a big Misfits guy.

[Colin]

You know, he's got four Misfits tattoos. He had him in the 80s.

[Guest Host]

Is the reason Earth AD sounds the way it does. They were like this melody. Let's get fast.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah, let's go fast. For sure.

[Guest Host]

So do you feel, Chappelle, like you have made it as a comedian?

[Chappelle Lacy]

Nah.

[Guest Host]

What do you probably what's the goal?

[Chappelle Lacy]

The goal, man? I, I mean, you want a sitcom. We love a sitcom. You know what I mean? Like, yeah, I would love my own TV show. I would love to, you know, take my stand up to newer heights and I want to, you know, hit it as big as I can. And, you know, I want to graduate from clubs to. To theaters. I want to graduate from theaters into above and just be able to like, you know, and I also just want to continue to get smarter, you know what I mean? Continue to gain knowledge. Because that's, I feel like that's what's made me a better comedian, for sure. Like reading in, you know, the information, like in like not just writing comedy, but also writing about what I feel and what I, you know, what is true inside of me. And yeah, I want to just get stronger and stronger at that.

[Colin]

What is the largest club you've had.

[Chappelle Lacy]

To write that I've headlined, I mean, a headline, but did not sell out. Probably one of the improvs out here, Brea Improv, I think it holds like 500 and I think I got over 200 in there.

[Guest Host]

That's great.

[Chappelle Lacy]

You know, which is, hey, not.

[Guest Host]

I mean, it's such a different game because comedy and music is like, a lot of the time going to a comedy show is so circumstantial. Like, I'm here, I'll go. But like, drawing on your own name.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah.

[Guest Host]

Even 200 people in LA, where there's, there's five different comedy shows in that.

[Chappelle Lacy]

There'S so much entertainment going on throughout the, throughout the day.

[Guest Host]

You're not competing with comedians anymore, you're competing with nets.

[Chappelle Lacy]

All the entertainment that's going on, all the, you know, it's, it's. Yeah, it's like hard to sell tickets in la, you know, and also people buy last minute.

[Colin]

One of the things that drives me crazy is somebody being like, pre. Sales are pretty low. Shut the.

[Guest Host]

Shut the hell. They're walking up.

[Chappelle Lacy]

They're walking up. Yeah, I know. It happened to me. I headlined. This is my first headlining in la. It was at Hollywood Improv, which is the main room, which I think seats like 175. And I remember, you know, because I would get a lot of, like, when you gonna headline la? You know, from like, fans and stuff. And, and so I was like, fine, let's just make it happen. And I remember, I want to say, the day before the show, I saw the ticket counts. It was 35 out of 175. And I go. And I, and I. And I Went for it. I said, you know what? This is what I'm gonna do. So I've, you know, did like a post on my Instagram. I said to all the people that say, when are you going to headline la? And then I posted the ticket counts. I said, this is why. And then. And then eventually. But I did get like 150.

[Guest Host]

All right in there.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah, exactly. So it's.

[Colin]

It's something to consider too, is these are seats. Yeah, you know, it's. It's different from a show which is all standing room.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah.

[Colin]

For the most part. So, you know, we're trying to fill 500 cap rooms as consistently as possible. Yeah, it's not seated. That's a small.

[Chappelle Lacy]

What is 17, 2050-090090-01720 is 900. And that's a big boy.

[Guest Host]

I don't. I mean, that might be off the.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Record, 900, but this is a big one. Yeah, Damn. Yeah, it's fine.

[Colin]

So it's, it's.

[Guest Host]

But with seats, that would be 3, 400.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah, yeah, 3, 4.

[Colin]

Amount of space needed for table. Tables and seats is so much bigger.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah, it's a different mindset because I think when, like the L Ray, like when you seat it, I think it's like 500 or something like that. But like, El Ray is like. Is it El Rey? Like close to a thousand, I think, or something. Yeah, it's massive. Yeah.

[Colin]

So it's totally.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah.

[Colin]

Standing room at different. It's. It's completely different.

[Guest Host]

Do you have. And like, I know we can answer this for music. Do you have a favorite set of all time?

[Chappelle Lacy]

Favorite set of all time? Favorite set of all time. Who am I? Noel Gallagher. So when we played Main Road, famous set of all time. That's a good one.

[Guest Host]

You walking off stage being like, I was really good. Yeah, that was really funny in that set.

[Chappelle Lacy]

I think it was when I opened for my buddy at the Wilson.

[Guest Host]

Big room.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Big room. Yeah.

[Colin]

I've just played there at the end of last year with Hay Breed.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Oh, nice. Yeah, it's a big old room.

[Guest Host]

A pit there.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah.

[Guest Host]

They pitted.

[Chappelle Lacy]

No, they were not. No pits. It was just something that like, you know, and that was when I was like, oh, you. You're a theater guy. Like, you can like, theater comic. Like you can hold your weight.

[Guest Host]

You to.

[Chappelle Lacy]

You were saying, I felt it strong, beautiful. You know what I mean? There was this, you know, because, like my style of comedy, you know, a lot of it's like about helped me in my life, but also like, I had like a Flair of, like, you know, people. I do get a lot of compliments on, like, my facial. Like, this stuff I can do with my face. And, like, my friends always say, broken make people laugh. I just make it a look I see. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah.

[Guest Host]

One where the. Where the woman, like, was flirting with you while you're.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Oh, yeah.

[Guest Host]

I was. I was engaged. I was ready for a happy ending.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yes.

[Guest Host]

So not sexually.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Not sexually. Yeah, I know. Yeah, yeah. And I did not know what she looked like, but we gotta figure it out. But, yeah, it was just like one of those sets. I just felt it. And, like, I felt everything. I felt like I could have all the space that I needed and. And it gave me all the room to, like, really make those jokes as big as they should be. Yeah.

[Colin]

Do you play music when you walk out?

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah.

[Colin]

What do you play?

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yonkers, Tyler? The Crater. That's.

[Guest Host]

And that's like, this. I feel like that's the first thing I remember seeing of his and being like, ah, man, this is gonna be the biggest thing in the world.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Guest Host]

That's a cool statement.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah. And. And also, like, I feel like it kind of matches, like, who I am, who I am as a comedian. I remember one I went to, I was headlining at some venue in Austin, and this is like. This had to be 20, 21 or something like that. And they were just playing Pantera, and I was just like, hey, man, this is not the vibe.

[Colin]

I know we're in Texas.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah. Cause, like. Like, I don't have, like. And not everyone that comes to my show is, like, a fan of that, like, that music. So, you know, I try to make it, you know, one day. Yeah. And so, like, I try to make it a little bit easier, you know, do like a, you know, more like a hip hop playlist, you know. But also I'll throw in, like, 311 turnstile on that stuff. You know, things a little bit more inviting to the situation. But, like, the hip hop is more like A Tribe Called Quest and De La Soul, you know, because it's like, it's easy, you know, it's easy to. Easy to walk into, you know? Whereas, like, they hear the Pantera, they're like, what? So there's some people that just don't know. They're like, like, you're like. Honestly, maybe worse.

[Guest Host]

Capital B.

[Chappelle Lacy]

So, yeah, yeah, usually try to keep it, you know, chill.

[Colin]

How about this? We do a thing. We do letter mosh. We do favorite records. We're going to do both with you.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Okay.

[Colin]

But I would love to hear your Mount Rushmore, your top four comedians all time.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Okay. Richard Pryor.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Daniel Tosh.

[Guest Host]

Dude, a God. And he's still got.

[Colin]

He still got it.

[Guest Host]

He, like, chooses not to do.

[Chappelle Lacy]

And I love him for, like, so many reasons. He does it, but, like, everything is just on his own terms. He's not, like. He's not part of a clique. He's not part of a scene. He is. Is just the lone wolf of Daniel Tosh. And he has a podcast that he does right now that is, like, really good dude. Episode one. His wife's gynecologist, and he has no. He has no comedians on it. And I. And, like, I, like. I love him for so many reasons because, like, I admire that. Like, I don't want to be part of, like, no crew or click. I'm just. It's just. I. It's not out of, like, a disrespect. It's just, like, I just feel better when I just can do my own thing. Yeah. I just love it. Yeah. And so. So Daniel Tosh. Oh, man. You got me.

[Colin]

Would it be Bill Burke live from the sunset trip for Richard Bryant?

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah. How you know that?

[Colin]

I know something.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Okay. Yeah. Hell, yeah. But I know that's the one, and.

[Colin]

I know that it. You know how that starts. That set it. People are leaving because they think the show's over. There was, like, some miscommunication with the doors and times and someone before him. Him, and he literally has to be.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Like, where are you going?

[Colin]

And, like, call people back to their seats.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Wow.

[Colin]

It's crazy. It's one of the. And he gets them all back, and he gets the shows.

[Guest Host]

King Legend.

[Chappelle Lacy]

He.

[Colin]

He.

[Chappelle Lacy]

I mean, like, reason for Richard Pryor being, like, number one is, you know, his level of vulnerability. He was so honest about, like, his life on stage, and you didn't see that in comedy, like, yet. And, like, he was, like, the first guy to really open that door of being honest about what was going on in his life and, like, made jokes about setting himself. Yeah. Setting myself.

[Guest Host]

That's my dad's favorite thing.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah. Which, like, people, like, you know, like, yeah, people want to hide that stuff, you know, because they don't have the humility, you know, and. And so, like, yeah, I'm very open about, like, a lot of things in my life and very honest. And a lot of it goes to, you know, because of Richard Pryor and, like, you know, Daniel Tosh, because I just love how he just says the crazy shit. He's just ruthless.

[Guest Host]

That's another thing where it's like, intelligence and, like, his.

[Chappelle Lacy]

How ruthless he is. It's just he. And he gets away with it. And, you know, and then I would say Bill Burr and Bill Burr because.

[Guest Host]

Of, like, to this day.

[Chappelle Lacy]

To this day, obviously, you know, everyone knows the Philly story going off.

[Guest Host]

That's how. That's how you bomb.

[Chappelle Lacy]

That's how you bomb. And that's how you, like, you bomb the audience. Yeah, you're like, I'm socking all you. All you people within. But no, with him, you know, it was a beautiful thing of, like, this guy. This guy's an angry guy. His foundation is angry, but he brings it into the world of funny. And, you know, that's something I can appreciate because I've gone through anger management since I was, like, 15 years old. So, like, hearing him do that and be able to project that the way he does, like, I really, really, truly admire.

[Colin]

He also does anger with a perspective that I wouldn't normally consider to where I'll go.

[Guest Host]

I hear him and I go, he's right.

[Colin]

Think about it that way.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah, yeah. Because he's such an. He's. He really steps outside of it to, like, really, you know, throw what he can. And a lot of it's because I don't think he's like. He's like, don't we realize both. Both. Both of these arguments are crazy? You know, like, he's really good at staying, like, in that middle ground part of it. And. And then last but not least, I'd say Eddie Murphy, you know, Eddie Murphy, because of, like, the strength of his career. You know, one of my favorite things about Eddie Murphy is when he's on stage, you know, and he does a character or anything, you no longer see Eddie Murphy. You see exactly that, which is a. I mean, a strength. Strength beyond strength.

[Guest Host]

It all comes back to Phil.

[Chappelle Lacy]

That, you know, a lot of. I mean, even to this day, a lot of comedians just don't know how to, like, do it. It's a very, very powerful thing. Like, when he doesn't act out and you're like, I don't see Eddie anymore. I just see. I see an Italian man. You know what I mean? Like, I see the character. Yeah, Rocco. Yeah. It's so crazy, crazy, crazy.

[Guest Host]

Are you a delirious or a raw guy?

[Chappelle Lacy]

Oh, man, I say raw. Really? Ross is one I probably, like, ripped through the most raw.

[Colin]

He's wearing the red thing.

[Chappelle Lacy]

That's delirious.

[Colin]

That's delirious.

[Guest Host]

That's my favorite. That's probably my favorite sample.

[Colin]

He did that for Mr. Richard Po crack.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah.

[Colin]

And so, like, an homage.

[Chappelle Lacy]

So what's crazy is he was 22 when he did Delirious and 24 when he did Raw. Think about that.

[Colin]

Wow.

[Guest Host]

It's unreal. Now you can see why. It's like, oh, this is about to be the biggest star.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Biggest star. And then, like, yeah. Obviously had to transition into movies and stuff like that. And, like, you know, 48 hours and obviously up to, like, Nutty Professor. You know, like, I'll go Norbit, dude.

[Guest Host]

Dude, Norman is unbelievable. Norbit is maybe the movie I've seen the most in my life.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Norman Rasputia, like, come on.

[Guest Host]

It's unreal, dude. He was still operating at unimaginable levels in Norbit.

[Chappelle Lacy]

He's got.

[Guest Host]

Norbert does not get us too.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Norbert does not get us too. Anyone that likes Norbit, like, they love it.

[Guest Host]

That's real, dude.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Is it, like, anyone that ever told Norbit Community. Yeah, there's a Norbit Community. You've heard of Reddit? Yeah, we're out there, dog.

[Colin]

The admin of our set.

[Guest Host]

You'll find me on there. Wow. Okay. I'm glad to find another Norbit head.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah, dude, come on.

[Guest Host]

You know who a Big Norman heads trapping rice.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Really? Oh, yeah, they're big Norman heads.

[Guest Host]

Big.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Community, man. It's like the Jeep community. It is the Jeep wave. You know, stuff like that.

[Guest Host]

What's the thing? The ducks.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah, the ducks. Yeah.

[Guest Host]

I'm gonna start leaving little Rasputin on all the Jeep stuff on. You're gonna love it.

[Chappelle Lacy]

That would be hilarious.

[Guest Host]

Does comedy, like something we experience, that there's, like, a. What's the word I'm looking for here? Parasocial. The parasocial aspect of podcasting and music where, like, people that watch our show send us reels all day. You have people send you reels.

[Chappelle Lacy]

And I don't even be looking at the house.

[Guest Host]

What do you. Why would I like this reel Real, you know? And how. And how do you assume I haven't seen this reel and also I assume.

[Colin]

I haven't been sent it a dozen times?

[Chappelle Lacy]

A dozen times? Yes.

[Guest Host]

And the cooler with the reels. All right. We make them.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yes.

[Guest Host]

We don't need. Yeah, I've consumed them enough.

[Chappelle Lacy]

I've consumed too many.

[Guest Host]

Okay, so you're getting real soon.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yes.

[Guest Host]

That makes me feel better.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah. Yeah, it happens.

[Colin]

Another crossover with wrestling music, and. And it sounds like comedy is the people who they like.

[Chappelle Lacy]

We're Friends.

[Colin]

Yeah, I know you. Yeah, I watch you all the time. I know you.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Oh, dude, there was one time, actually, I don't remember where I was somewhere in the Pacific Northwest. This dude just came up. He just started talking to me, and he was at the show. I said, excuse me. He's like, ah, man. You know, I was like, bro, I don't know you. I was like, what are you doing? He was like, let me. Let me get a picture. I said, you can get the. Out of my face. Say that's what you can do. You know what I mean? Like, real talk, you know? I was like, you don't get no picture. He's like, come on, man. Get. Man. Stop being a ass. I go, bro, again. Crazy again. You don't want it, you know? I was like, you're not getting a picture. You won't. You won't like that picture. You know what I mean?

[Colin]

You know, I will front flip.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah. And then. And then security just caught a vibe. And then security was big, dude. He had the biggest hands, and he just came up and, like, just grabbed the dude or whatever and, like, took him off, but. Cause I was just like, yo, like, like, what has happened? You know? I was like. I was like, this is about to be on film, bro. Your friends are gonna film this. You know, it was just crazy, you know, because he assumed because he listened to the, like, like, podcast that I'm on and, like, you know, seeing me and my friends, like, you know how we go at each other and they sometimes think that they can do it, too, and this is, like, too comfortable. So, like. Yeah, And I'm. I'm just not that guy.

[Colin]

He'll make a joke or something. The no riff thing.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Name Bozo.

[Guest Host]

Bozo, for example, great name people. That's for me.

[Colin]

But if somebody comes up to you and say, what's up, Bozo?

[Chappelle Lacy]

I'm like, you know, you have. And it's like, bro, we've never met.

[Guest Host]

Yeah.

[Chappelle Lacy]

It's like, I don't even know you at all.

[Colin]

Does it happen to you where, you know, we. We record whatever comes out weeks later, and people will, like. Like, they'll be like, oh, just so you know. And you're like, dude, the brand of.

[Guest Host]

That air conditioner that year was actually.

[Colin]

I got corrected.

[Guest Host]

Mitsubish.

[Colin]

I got corrected on a type of air conditioner. And I was like, that was a month ago.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Really?

[Colin]

I have no idea what you're talking about.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah, I know. Exactly. Yeah. There's some things. Things they'll say that I'M like, I have no clue. I'm like, once I'm done with it.

[Guest Host]

It'S like, it's gone.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah.

[Colin]

It's just gone from thank you for listening, but this isn't scripted. Yeah, yeah, just talk.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Exactly.

[Guest Host]

But it lives in perpetuity. And we got.

[Chappelle Lacy]

I do, I do. I do hate the amount of, like, opportunity people can have to, like, tell you their opinion on that. You do?

[Colin]

Do you read comments?

[Chappelle Lacy]

I'll read comments, but a lot of times, like. Like, it's just like. I think earlier on, it used to, like, be annoying, but a lot of times I'm like, bro, they literally don't know who I am.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Chappelle Lacy]

So it's like they're saying things that, like, doesn't even.

[Guest Host]

Or you go to their page and you're just like, oh, man, you are going to kill.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Guest Host]

It's inevitable.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah. I've seen. Look at it. I see the house. I see that.

[Guest Host]

No good. I can see the smokes.

[Chappelle Lacy]

I see that the wife is not. Not in the current part of it. She's out of the box. Yeah, she's. Yeah, she's down in the 2019 picture. She is not in the 2025. I can't read them.

[Colin]

I don't.

[Guest Host]

This ain't about me.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah. I mean, there was one comment where someone was like, what does this guy say? I was on Bobby Lee's podcast, and this guy was like, man, why y' all keep bringing Chappelle around? He ain't it. And I was like, fine, dude, I'll quit. You know, and then. And then he goes, finally, you say something funny. I was like, all right, I'm coming back to, you know, now I'm back. What's good? Yeah, I'm back, dude. You gave me all the courage, you know? But, yeah, it's just, like, a lot of times I don't, you know, I used to, like, take it, like, a little serious because I'm just like, who the are you? But then there's literally nothing you could do about it.

[Guest Host]

Absolutely.

[Chappelle Lacy]

You know, there's really nothing you could do about. But it's just like. I hate that it's like, you know, because there was a time where, like, you know, where you just. You just put the art out out there and, like, whatever people said about is what. What it was, you know, or what however people received it, you know, that's how you could tell what it was.

[Colin]

But don't worry.

[Chappelle Lacy]

It's like, I don't need, like, you to tell me anything specific or Detailed or whatever, blah, blah, blah. Because I'm like, you don't do it.

[Guest Host]

Totally.

[Chappelle Lacy]

You know what I mean? You just consume it.

[Guest Host]

I just don't want to read it anymore. Yeah. I'm off the sauce. Yeah.

[Chappelle Lacy]

I don't want to know. Yeah.

[Colin]

In my own head.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah. Because it is. It is wild.

[Colin]

I don't think I could do what you do. Like, I truly don't. Because music and even this, there's stuff that kind of speaks for me.

[Guest Host]

You're speaking.

[Chappelle Lacy]

I don't care. I never care if someone says I'm not funny or if I'm a hacker or anything like that. That doesn't bother me at all.

[Guest Host]

Because it's like, I'm still. I just got the check. Just clear.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah. Because it's like. I mean, you. It's. It's all subjective. You know what I mean? Like. Like, if someone says that they don't think I'm funny, well, I'm like, okay, well, there's other. Other group over here that actually understands it and gets it and thinks I'm funny.

[Colin]

So there's tickets.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah, there's tickets. So it's like, you know, but. But as far as it goes, like when we were talking, yeah, I want to sock somebody sometimes.

[Colin]

But we're talking about the. The. How comedians have made it crack the code. One of the cons is that it is just if somebody critiques my band song, it's like, well, there's five of us.

[Chappelle Lacy]

There's five of us.

[Colin]

Took a year.

[Guest Host]

I didn't write that riff. Told you it sucked.

[Colin]

But so, yeah, no, it's all on you.

[Chappelle Lacy]

And then like when, like, like. And when you're just up there and, like, you just see that no one's laughing, you really feel it. You feel it. You feel that?

[Colin]

Is it interesting? Like, with music, like, if you're playing with maybe a less heavy band or less aggressive band, but something that's still kind of mixed build, like when we play with God, flesh, of course people aren't killing each other, right?

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah.

[Colin]

And I. I'm like, I'm ready for that. It's like, yeah, this is what we're doing. Comedy. It doesn't really work that.

[Chappelle Lacy]

No.

[Guest Host]

Yeah.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Mix.

[Guest Host]

What's a mix in comedy? Different styles.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah.

[Colin]

Guy, guitar guy.

[Guest Host]

And juggling.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah. I mean, yeah, I've performed with, like, jugglers and stuff like that. Yeah.

[Guest Host]

Straight up.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah. But no one wants to follow that.

[Guest Host]

Because they're dope as hell.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Oh, bro. Everyone's dude magic. Unbelievable. Be like, dude, I mean, this is a guy juggling and, like telling a joke at the same time. You're like, I'm not. I'm. He's. I can't follow. You know, Then you go up there, you're like, hey, so the other day I was, you know, hanging out with my driver. Right. You're just a regular speaker. You know what I mean? What's.

[Guest Host]

What's. How do you so crowd work?

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah.

[Guest Host]

What's the process there is. What's the art behind working?

[Chappelle Lacy]

I mean, you just gotta listen. A lot of people, A lot of people will deliver. A lot of people will say things to you and they don't even mean to, but a lot of people will let you know everything that you need to know about them.

[Guest Host]

They're loading the gun for you.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Or they just, you know, and they don't even. Like, I'm telling you, it's not even their attention to like, get you to make them make fun of whatever it is that they're delivering to you, but they could just. You know what I mean? I don't. And I don't do things of like. Like, I'm not. I don't really care what you do for workness. Not a lot of times as much as like, who are you? Yeah, I'm like, why? I'm good. Why you? Why'd you. Like, I'll do shit. Like, why'd you dress this way tonight?

[Guest Host]

And that's.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah.

[Guest Host]

What are you saying? And then, fuck, man, this is me. I don't know.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah, exactly. You know, so that's kind of like what I do.

[Guest Host]

Sure.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah.

[Colin]

Remember that Beast Milk band I talk about?

[Guest Host]

Yeah.

[Colin]

Is that Beast Milk? Seven inch. And I don't have that color, so I don't have the blue.

[Guest Host]

Beautiful. You want to see if we can find some of your favorite records in the world?

[Chappelle Lacy]

Let's see if we can.

[Colin]

There's. There's lps.

[Guest Host]

I want to know your favorite four favorite hardcore records of all time.

[Colin]

I want to see if we.

[Guest Host]

Maybe we. No, let's see if we can find anyone.

[Chappelle Lacy]

I mean, one of them will be able to find. For sure.

[Guest Host]

Yeah, for sure.

[Colin]

I'm going to the Bees.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah. Just kidding, guys. It's Bright Eyes.

[Guest Host]

A couple tracks.

[Chappelle Lacy]

A couple tracks. Here we. There we go.

[Guest Host]

There it is.

[Colin]

First four, we got first four. What do you think of that?

[Guest Host]

Of course you can point to.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Of course. The beauty. I love the beauty of first four. Because, yeah, you have the first, like three singers of Black Flag, you know, like, you got Keith Ron and DEZ and just. Just, you know, Henry is your guy. Henry is definitely my guy. In all always, always 1000%. I love that 1000%.

[Guest Host]

Is there a specific MI record that is. That's the one.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah. It's on the Rushmore. Can I say it yet or no?

[Colin]

Yeah, please. Let's hear incrementally.

[Chappelle Lacy]

It's Damage.

[Colin]

Damage.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Damage is my record. Y Damages the. I mean that is bible to me.

[Colin]

Was that. Was that Rollins first full length?

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Colin]

Do you like slipping in?

[Chappelle Lacy]

I like slipping in. Yeah, yeah. Slip it in. Yeah, I do like it. I think I like watching them do it live than I do like the. But I. You know, there's just something about that. You know, just the way that record hits immediately would rise above and you know, and just, you know, spray paint the wall and you know, like tracks like no more Police Story. You know what I mean?

[Guest Host]

And they're doing the 3,000 tickets at the Palladium.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah. Depression and like you know, just. It just those just like hit in a way that like they. So I always say this. Like that's like the corn and like Slipknot, like the new metal. Stuff like that helped me understand like what I was in games. But you know, punkin hardcore was like, here's what you're gonna do about it.

[Colin]

I like that.

[Guest Host]

We're awesome.

[Colin]

I liked that. Good Sisters.

[Guest Host]

You're good. I like when you say stuff.

[Chappelle Lacy]

What's. That's from Confucius.

[Guest Host]

I like when you say stuff.

[Colin]

So we got number. We got one on the Mount Rushmore.

[Guest Host]

Damage.

[Colin]

Damage.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Damn.

[Colin]

Give me number two.

[Guest Host]

Let's see if we can find him.

[Chappelle Lacy]

DRI Dealing with it. I love dri.

[Guest Host]

Are you. Are you a crossover guy in general?

[Chappelle Lacy]

So I. It's not. Yeah, no, I'm not. Not necessarily. The DRI was just. It just packed such a strong punch. I think the first song I heard from DRI was I Don't Need Society. And when I heard that, you know, numbers up, you have to go system. And I didn't even know anything about war or army or anything, but. But it was just like. I took it the approach of like this is like. Like, you know, like. Like I don't need my stepdad.

[Guest Host]

That's something in it for us.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah, there's something in it. It wasn't like. Because I was like, I don't know anything about military or whatever, blah, blah, but. But it was just, you know, like being 14 year old years old and hearing I don't need society. But it was Just like, I don't need. Yeah. I don't even. I don't need my stepdad. I don't need my stepdad.

[Colin]

Before he and I really knew each other.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah.

[Colin]

I interpreted Preacher man on my own, and it fit my situation. Totally different situations. I was in my 20s.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah.

[Colin]

I just think there's. There's. That's. The point is it is clay and you can shape it.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah.

[Guest Host]

And the songs you write, they're not yours anymore. Once they're out there.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Once they're out there. Yeah.

[Guest Host]

Every song I like is about me.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah. I think. Yeah. Donald Glover said something about, like. Donald Glover, Childish Campina was some interview where he talked about, like, basically what. Like, what you put out there. Like. And they're asking, like. They were asking him an interview, like, what's that song about? He goes, whatever you think it is. Well, how'd you interpret it? You know what I mean? Like, you know, just. It doesn't have to be like. Like, this is all the song's about and that's it. And it's like, a lot of times.

[Colin]

It'S not Tarantino esque, you know.

[Guest Host]

Yeah. All the great stories. I mean, don't. You don't need to spell it all out for me. Give me something.

[Chappelle Lacy]

No, just let me feel it.

[Guest Host]

Figure it out.

[Colin]

All right, so we got dri. We got Black Flag, it's number three, Miter Threat.

[Chappelle Lacy]

I mean, the power behind that band is just like. It just. It just fucking. Really?

[Guest Host]

Really.

[Chappelle Lacy]

I mean, there's so much to say about it. It's timeless. And, you know, with it, with the opening, with the filler and then following it. I don't want to hear it. And, you know, into Seeing Red and, you know, especially Seeing Red, like, you see me and you laugh aloud. And I felt that way, like, as a kid, too, and, you know, just feeling alienated and never feel like you could connect with. But a lot of people and, you know, that that was like a record that, like, here's your individuality. Hold on to that.

[Guest Host]

Absolutely.

[Chappelle Lacy]

You know, that's what. Like that. Like, that's what the. Whatever. The first 27 inches, I think is what they titled it or whatever.

[Guest Host]

But the record ends with the song Minor Threat.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah, exactly.

[Guest Host]

Which just leaves you.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah, I gotta stop this. Yeah, exactly. So you're so. You're just. Yeah. Just holding on to all that and it's like. I don't know. It's just beauty to me.

[Colin]

I don't like to say that. There's like. You have to, like, this. You have to. You know, there's.

[Guest Host]

There's guides.

[Colin]

But I do think the Minor Threat record is like one of them.

[Guest Host]

The minor track. The minor track record.

[Colin]

The minor Trent record is a pillar.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah.

[Colin]

That you. You gotta have to.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah.

[Colin]

An appreciation for this.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah. 1,000%.

[Guest Host]

All of your favorite bands would agree.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Exactly.

[Guest Host]

That's. That's.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah. If you don't have an out of Step or Bars logo or the Fiends. Yeah. Fiend Skull. You know, the abandoned dc. You know, the lightning or that lightning.

[Guest Host]

Those are. Yeah, those are earned.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Those are earned with blood. When I got my BARS logo tattoo. Where is it at? Right here. I think when I got the Bars logo tattoo, it was actually because I was doing. For English class in college. They were like, we had to do a paper on our favorite author, and I chose Henry Rollins. And I remember I was in the middle of, like, writing it, and I was getting so hyped, and I was just like, like explaining just like, why this dude and his words mean so much to me. And I hit my friend up. I was like, hey, yo, man. I was like, I'm gonna get the Bars logo right now. He goes, right now. I go, yep, let's go get it. And the paper was like, due tomorrow.

[Guest Host]

That was part of the paper.

[Chappelle Lacy]

And so, yeah, now it's part of the paper. So then I went left and got it. And then boom.

[Guest Host]

Phone.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Finish the paper.

[Guest Host]

Beautiful.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah.

[Colin]

Are you getting the van fan?

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah, yeah, of course, man. Have you listened to Stories Are? No, I haven't.

[Colin]

He reads.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Oh, he reads it. I have to listen to that. I'm not an audiobook guy. I have to be a guy that's like, neither of that. But like, his. His voice.

[Guest Host]

Does he elaborate on stuff that's not.

[Colin]

Expand on stories and they'll give you a little more background. And it's. It's so obviously him and his voice and the way, I don't know, just when you hear an inflection and, like, the attitude of how he meant a sentence, it changes, you know? And it is something that I will throw on if I'm like, I don't want to tour, man. I want to go home. This sucks. And then it's like, oh, yeah, I was in a gear truck for eight hours in the dark.

[Chappelle Lacy]

The one. The one thing that you hear from a lot of, like, the, like. A lot of those, like, like, old punk documentaries or punk interviews, it's like they always talk about how hard Black Flag went.

[Colin]

They were the band.

[Chappelle Lacy]

They Were the band. They practiced hard, they played hard and they just. They traveled hard.

[Colin]

They would practice every day. They practiced before.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Full time job fulltime. They were practice. Yeah. There was a one year like they were practicing on like Christmas morning, 1982. Yeah. The church. The church. Couldn't be me.

[Guest Host]

I'm busy that day.

[Chappelle Lacy]

That couldn't be.

[Guest Host]

I got a stocking waiting for me.

[Colin]

What's number four?

[Chappelle Lacy]

So I don't even. I don't even know if number four would be in here because it's one of those like underground Swedish bands that I like. But it's DS13 and the record is called.

[Guest Host]

What does it mean?

[Colin]

Something about War. Something about war.

[Guest Host]

Yeah. What we fight for or something like that. What is it?

[Chappelle Lacy]

How'd you know that?

[Colin]

I speak German, so it's a little.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Oh, yeah. Oh, God. Got it. Swedish and. Yeah. Wow.

[Guest Host]

He's a superpower.

[Chappelle Lacy]

He's super. I think, I think, yeah. I think it fully means what we know about the war. What we know about war, if you will. But that record was like a. You know, I loved all that stuff, man.

[Colin]

I'm gonna check it out now. I've never listened to it.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah.

[Colin]

And like the fact that it grabbed you, like, that's interesting to me that you were punk kid. And then I'm into this.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah.

[Colin]

I find that interesting.

[Guest Host]

Do you have like, we. We ask people all the time, like a favorite tour a band has done. We're like, we're going out. Do you. Are you hitting the road with a comed with another comedian for a month?

[Chappelle Lacy]

No, I haven't done anything like. Oh, actually, Bert Kreischer. Never mind. Yeah.

[Guest Host]

What am I talking about?

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was my first time on a tour bus. I did an arena. His arena tour. I did some shows with him.

[Guest Host]

That's fun.

[Colin]

The bus too.

[Chappelle Lacy]

On the bus was nice little dude. He had. He. It's custom.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Chappelle Lacy]

So it's comfortable.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Chappelle Lacy]

You know, it's so funny because he's got a picture of Martin Luther King, like right when you walk in. And I was like, dog, I already agreed.

[Guest Host]

Oh, sorry. I meant that.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah, I was like, I already agreed. Yeah, right. It was like, you know. But yeah, that was so much fun. It was me. I don't know if you heard of Adam Ray. Adam Ray does like a lot of the Dr. Phil characters. Yeah. So we were. We were on the Serena tour together and, you know, Bert's got like the most amazing fans. One night we got to kick it with Dave Chappelle at like In. In Yellow Springs or whatever.

[Guest Host]

Did he freak out about your first name?

[Chappelle Lacy]

So we. It was funny. What? So we were. So. We were. We were. So Dave was like, you guys want to do Ivy IVs? And I was like, what? Like, we're just gonna do IVs? We just did, like, the.

[Guest Host]

You know, I've done one time.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah. So, like, yeah. I think he had, like, a nurse on call or on site or on call or whatever. And so she comes over and, like, me, him, Bert, and a few other guys, we're all sitting in a circle. Adam, Ray, you know, we're. And we're just doing IVs, hanging, talking about music. And Deja feels like, let's see who could finish the fastest, you know, and squeezed it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so. And so we're sitting there chilling, having a good time. We're talking about music. We're going off about, like, he loves Nirvana.

[Guest Host]

Interesting.

[Chappelle Lacy]

We were going off about Nirvana, and then Burt goes, dave, I don't know if you know this, but, like, his name is Chappelle. And he goes, that's. He goes, that's your last name. And I was like, no, it's my first name. He goes, well, may the best Chappelle win. And it starts squeezing. I'm just fucking with you. I was fucking with you. And it was like. Like. It was like a moment where I was like, out of body experience. Yeah, out of body experience. You know, like, to be around that guy for sure. And, you know, he. Great storyteller, great in conversation and just, you know, spoke so much knowledge on the world of comedy. And. And Bernard asked him. He was like, how do you feel about, like. Like some of the hate you get or whatever that, you know, like, you know, the backlash you get from some of your specials? And he said it in such a simple way and, like. But powerful way. He was just like, I only pay attention to the people that are right there because I don't pay attention to people that did not come to the show.

[Colin]

See, Dave's not reading comments.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah. He was like, I only pay attention to the people that are right there in front of me.

[Colin]

I love that.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Because he goes, I know how they're reacting. I know how they're. How it's making them feel, and it's right there in front of me. He goes, someone that's not there. What does that mean?

[Colin]

Okay, you know, let's talk about the road a little bit.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Okay.

[Guest Host]

Oh, man.

[Colin]

I want to hear about hotels. I want to know your preferred hotel chain.

[Chappelle Lacy]

You Know, I like those boutique hotels, Kimpton.

[Colin]

Oh, okay.

[Guest Host]

Say, not even on my radar.

[Chappelle Lacy]

I'm bougie.

[Colin]

Yeah, you're up there.

[Guest Host]

What's your protocol?

[Chappelle Lacy]

For what?

[Guest Host]

Get in the room. What's set one?

[Chappelle Lacy]

Set one. I do not do anything to the bed until, like, I'm ready to go to sleep.

[Colin]

Like, I, like, talk or untuck that thing.

[Chappelle Lacy]

I untuck it. Yeah? Yeah. Oh, dude. Every time I'm under there, I'm like. It's squeezing me.

[Guest Host]

What's on tv?

[Chappelle Lacy]

Espn.

[Guest Host]

Espn?

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah.

[Guest Host]

You're not a Niners driving some dives guy?

[Chappelle Lacy]

No, no, I just leave it on ESPN because it's. It plays constantly.

[Colin]

What if there's, like, YouTube and I.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Don'T even watch sports? Heavy.

[Guest Host]

Really?

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah, you just.

[Guest Host]

It's what I mean.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah. So YouTube. A lot of times, they have a TV for me in the green room. That's what I asked for. I'm Beyonce. But no, a lot of times they just have a TV in there, and I'll. I watch skateboarding.

[Guest Host]

That's cool.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah, I just have, like, skateboarding.

[Colin]

I get in the zone.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah. Yeah. There's a flow. Yeah, I'll just be watching.

[Guest Host]

You talked about skating earlier. Is that something you still do from time to time?

[Chappelle Lacy]

I haven't done it in a minute. You know, I try to do it as much as I can, but, you know, I haven't done it because I slammed really hard before a show, and it was. It was a pretty hard slide.

[Guest Host]

You need a frontside grind.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah, yeah. Good.

[Guest Host]

Underdog says that's the best trick, so.

[Chappelle Lacy]

That's all I've heard. How about.

[Colin]

How about food? Ask him some food.

[Guest Host]

Oh, man. So you eat good?

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah, I eat pretty good.

[Colin]

We love to eat. You don't drink.

[Chappelle Lacy]

You don't do anything.

[Guest Host]

That's all we have.

[Colin]

We eat.

[Guest Host]

That's all we have in this life.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah, that's all we have.

[Guest Host]

What are you looking for on tour, man?

[Chappelle Lacy]

You know, I like the restaurants that are kind of like, you know, I don't like to go to the ones that, like, everyone's like, you got to go to this restaurant, because it's, like. Feels very touristy to me. I want to go to something where it's like, what is that? Local restaurant. I think that's the biggest key is, like, going to something like that. It's like, you know, because, you know, Rollins, he says whenever he goes on the road, if he goes anywhere to any country or any city or whatever, he does it, he will not do Anything touristy. He wants to be in the neighborhoods. He wants to like understand who these people are, what it is. Because you're going to get the most. Yeah. That's where you're going to get all the authenticity of what, what that place is.

[Colin]

So then let's pivot. What are some favorites that you found with this method or any particular city where you're like, the food here is incredible.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Every time I go to, you know, Philly. Philly. These dudes, Gosh, I wish I remember the name of the restaurant. But these dudes who own like the. They run, they have their own like shoe store, like, you know where they sell like Jordans and stuff like that. They're called like Suplex or whatever. Suplex. Yeah. And they, they took me to this Philly cheesesteak place that was kind of like hidden.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Chappelle Lacy]

You know, and like they were the guys getting there at like 3am to start making the bread because the bread has to taste the. This certain way and like the way they do the meat and the cheese and the combo together and like they have like different styles and. And it was like so damn good.

[Guest Host]

Damn.

[Chappelle Lacy]

And I'll. I never forget that place. It was the name. But you did. Yeah, I know the name. Yeah. I never forget that he killed himself.

[Guest Host]

Right in front of you.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah, exactly. I'm sorry. I'm sorry about that.

[Colin]

No, but it's okay. It's okay. Gatekeep A little.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah, I got a gatekeep. I got a gatekeeper keep.

[Colin]

Someone's going to say it in the comments anyway.

[Chappelle Lacy]

I hate gatekeeping, but this is. I'm going to gate keep that one.

[Colin]

Certain things you have to.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah.

[Guest Host]

Now on a day where you're. Let's say you're in a city where that luxury is not afforded to you.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Guest Host]

The local eateries are maybe a little scary.

[Chappelle Lacy]

What I found out from some like gym bros on how to like cuz like I'm not eating that nasty ass whatever the. Some of these other cities got. Cuz a lot of times I'm like, I'm not going in that place.

[Guest Host]

Sure.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Eat your cheese curds. Oh, wow.

[Colin]

We don't got a lot up there.

[Chappelle Lacy]

But you know what saves me on the road if I just want to eat something like healthy or whatever is chick fil a. I'll just get grilled chicken nuggets.

[Colin]

They're the best.

[Chappelle Lacy]

And then a little farty. A little party. Yeah. And then I'll do like the kale salad and that like saves me. Yeah. The thing about on the road.

[Colin]

Those and this. We're kind of getting into the week.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Meats.

[Colin]

The macros on those chicken nuggets are excellent.

[Guest Host]

Really good.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Oh, they are, yeah.

[Guest Host]

Big time.

[Colin]

Oh, I didn't even know the grilled nuggets.

[Chappelle Lacy]

I just know I just, like, found it. Like, I was, like, on YouTube, I was like, things you can eat while on the road by, like, I don't know, like, I don't know what the. By gym bros or whatever. And they, like, literally broke down like, chick fil A. What you get there? Obviously, Chipotle is like, another one that saves people, you know, but yeah, those, like, that's usually from an area where it's like. Like, they ain't got nothing that I'm like, won't even, like, oh, what if.

[Guest Host]

You know, you want to get a little naughty with what. What's your poison? Food wise?

[Chappelle Lacy]

What is my poison?

[Guest Host]

Yeah. Like, what's, like, the worst fast food that you're like, I'm just gonna do it.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Taco Bell, man.

[Colin]

Yeah, man.

[Guest Host]

What can you do?

[Chappelle Lacy]

What can you do?

[Guest Host]

What can you do?

[Chappelle Lacy]

Listen. Gosh, I mean, I would load.

[Guest Host]

That'll get wrong.

[Chappelle Lacy]

A crunch wrap with a bean and cheese burrito with the potato salt taco with the cinnabon delights. And I'll get nacho fries, man. I'll freaking. I'm telling you. Here's the thing.

[Colin]

It may not be Mexican food, but it doesn't taste like anything else. Yeah, it's. It's a planet of its own.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Chalupas, man.

[Colin]

Like, oh, dude, I love a chalice, dude. Chicken chalupa.

[Chappelle Lacy]

I feel, like, so sad about myself. I'll just be in my room.

[Guest Host]

It's never. You're never happy about it.

[Chappelle Lacy]

In my underwear.

[Guest Host]

Just getting the cheese out.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Right? Baja Bl. Yeah, right. Baja all day.

[Colin]

Zero, dude.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Baja all day.

[Guest Host]

Game changer. There's something about you that is just. I want you to win, you know?

[Chappelle Lacy]

I appreciate that.

[Guest Host]

I think that's kind of the universal sentiment, like, from everybody. Everybody I know that knows you. It's just like this lovely day we've had.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah.

[Guest Host]

I feel good.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Good. You feel good?

[Guest Host]

Talking to this.

[Chappelle Lacy]

I feel good. I try to make things good. I used to be crazy, and it catches people off guard. Are you still crazy? Hell, yeah. I know.

[Colin]

Why does it come out? What'll do it? Actually, we won't worry about that.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We won't worry about that.

[Guest Host]

He's a good boy.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah. Good. Yeah. Good boy. He's a good boy. Is That a song?

[Guest Host]

That's John John.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah. Yeah, it's a. Oh, good girl. Yeah.

[Guest Host]

Hot Dog Chili on.

[Chappelle Lacy]

That's. No, it's Tom Petty.

[Guest Host]

Tom Petty. Melon Camp.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah, right. Tom Pelly, Prince Miller. Camp. No. Yeah, you know. Yeah. You know, and I. I don't even want to like be crazy anymore. I just, I love like everything that I'm doing, everything where I'm at and just, you know, I. I feel like I've gotten really good at like cutting out and just like letting things exist where they exist in my like focusing on the things that are like more important. Like. Yeah, I just want to stay grounded, you know, Like. Yeah. As I like reach new heights. I mean, you know, I sold out my first weekend ever in Chicago.

[Guest Host]

Incredible.

[Chappelle Lacy]

At Zany's and the shows were sold out before I even got there.

[Colin]

That's, you know, that is from a band's point of view, that's the best feeling. And yeah, like you're not hometown. And it's sold out in pre sale. That's the best.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah. And so I was just like, whoa. And like getting there and you know, having to experience today. I also want to stay like grounded and I let that like get to my head. I don't want to be walking out like you. You know. And don't get me wrong, I'm always going to embrace those moments and feel like, you know, like I feel. I feel it in a different way than I do of like, of arrogance. You know what I mean? Like, I like, I just appreciate it. Like, damn, this is like. It's really, really paying off, you know. But don't get me wrong, when I had to go to Appleton, Wisconsin. Wow. Yeah. I had to follow. I. To follow a sold out weekend to Apple. And I was like, you ever been there?

[Colin]

Taylor's from there.

[Guest Host]

Oh, from there.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Have you ever been there?

[Guest Host]

No, dude, I'll never be there.

[Chappelle Lacy]

It is.

[Guest Host]

I'll never have any reason to be there.

[Colin]

My girlfriend and two of the dudes in my band are from there.

[Chappelle Lacy]

They're from Appleton, like in the area.

[Colin]

One is from Appleton. Yeah, but it's all one thing up there.

[Guest Host]

And yeah, it's.

[Colin]

It's different.

[Chappelle Lacy]

It's different. But. Yeah, but other than that, like, you know, like it is, you know, the. I just. Yeah. I just love being able to work and be able to create and be able to like gain knowledge. That's like the biggest things.

[Guest Host]

I love you playing a band now.

[Chappelle Lacy]

How you know that?

[Guest Host]

I don't know.

[Colin]

He's. He's Got his little bird.

[Guest Host]

Can you tell me a little narwhal? I'm Hardwall. Can you tell me a little bit about it?

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah, I have a. Wow. Okay. Yeah, I have a band called Mad Peaceful, which is basically the name comes from, like, who I am, you know? Yeah. And so it's like a kind of play on words as well. And. But I. You know, during the pandemic, we didn't have any, like, comedy stuff was, like, just all shut down. And. Yeah, the only thing that was, like, really open was, like, practice spaces for bands. And so there's a few comedian comedians. My homie Joel Jimenez and my homie Ryan Clark. They, you know, they're also comedians, but they also. So, like, Joel's a drummer, Ryan's a bass player, and then we have a buddy named Chris who's a guitar player that Joel had brought into the picture. And then I had brought in one of my really good friends from back home in Arizona, Scott Chase, and we just started doing cover songs. Right.

[Guest Host]

Awesome.

[Colin]

Are you singing?

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah, and I sing. Yeah. And then one day I came in with an original, and they were like. I was like, is this cool lyrically or musically? On guitar. Oh, wow. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Guest Host]

Oh, yeah. You're riffer, dude.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah, yeah. So I came in with the original, and they were like, all right, let's run it, you know, And I was just like, really? For me, you know, and then. Then I just kind of had the energy and just kept flowing it from there. And then, you know, I had played some stuff for. For Toby Morris, and he was, you know, a big encouragement. Like, yo, man, why don't you. Why don't you guys do a show? Why don't you guys record some things or whatever? And so we kind of just took it from there and, you know, know. And, yeah, people book us. It's, like, funny.

[Guest Host]

That's what's up.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah, people book us. I mean, we played program, you know, played a lot of spaces. Obviously, Luis from Alpha and Omega, he's booked us on some stuff before. And friend of the show. Yeah, yeah.

[Guest Host]

Took me on all my first tours.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah, yeah.

[Colin]

Juxtapose that, though. Burke Reischer, arena stuff. Tour bus program.

[Guest Host]

Yeah, you know, that's.

[Colin]

That's what this show is about.

[Guest Host]

Yeah, just being both, you know.

[Chappelle Lacy]

And then we played a show which, like, caught us off guard. We played also Death by Stereo. I got to give them a lot of love because they. They put us on some shows at, like, Alex's Bar and Wayfarer and early.

[Colin]

Early Favorite for me.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah.

[Colin]

Sink or Swim.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Oh, dude.

[Colin]

Or Death by Sink.

[Chappelle Lacy]

And by the way, like. And what's really cool about that, you know, the. The circle of that is Paul Miner has done, like, a lot of our recordings.

[Guest Host]

Oh, has he? Yeah.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yes. I love Paul Miner. Like, he's great.

[Guest Host]

He did Big Kiss Good Night, right?

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, he did. Yeah.

[Guest Host]

He did Keepers of Faith.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah, he's done a. He's done a lot.

[Guest Host]

Done a lot.

[Chappelle Lacy]

And so, yeah, we played a show. We randomly met Trey Cool.

[Guest Host]

Oh, that's cool.

[Chappelle Lacy]

And because his wife has a punk band called One Less Zero, and we played. They were on that Death by Stereo show with us, and we were all like, like, man, wouldn't it be funny if Trey Cool showed up? And then me and. Me and Joel were backstage, and Joe was, like, getting his drums, and all of a sudden, the gate opens. We were, like, looking for, like, a car to come in or whatever, and walks. Trey Cool. And then he starts talking to my drummer. He goes, I like that snare. And my drum was like, you do, right? Yeah.

[Guest Host]

And so, dude, that's one of the most secret rippers of all time.

[Colin]

Trey.

[Guest Host]

He has no business being that exact.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Dude, he is absolutely insanely good.

[Colin]

The right hand.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yes. The whole time. And just, like, effortlessly. But so he. Yeah, he watched our band play. He goes, I'm gonna watch you guys.

[Guest Host]

That's special.

[Chappelle Lacy]

And he was, like, screaming. He was, like, filming us. He goes, what? He goes, let me airdrop these to you. He filmed us like we were his kids, you know? And then, like, fast forward to, like, I want to say, like, a year or so later, they asked us to play a show, and it happened to be Billy Joe Armstrong's cover band called the COVID Ups. And we played at the Tiki in Costa Mesa. Tiki Bar, whatever it's called. And that was, like, one of the craziest shows I think we played, because it's sold out, and people were there, like, from the start of the show.

[Guest Host]

Wow, that's awesome.

[Chappelle Lacy]

And it was like. That's probably the biggest one.

[Colin]

What kind of coverage does this band play? Out of curiosity.

[Chappelle Lacy]

They do everything. Yeah. You know, they do everything from, like, they did a Van Halen cover, but they'll do a Misfits cover. You know what I mean? Like, so they kind of, like, range it. You know, Buzzcocks, you know, Buzzcock covers. You know, they kind of stay like this, you know, unique range of what they do, but beautiful. Yeah, it was. It was so much fun. Yeah.

[Colin]

What was the name of the band again?

[Chappelle Lacy]

Mad Peaceful. Man, that's crazy. I'm always shocked whenever people come to me on my show. They're like, man, I love Mad Peaceful. And I go, how do you know who I am? You really know who I am? We can't.

[Guest Host]

We care. That's why we're here. This was such a beautiful day. Yeah, yeah, it was good. A lovely chat. Are there any imparting words you would like to leave the hardware world with?

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah. Read. Just read. How was Reed? You won't feel. I think the thing that I've learned for myself with reading is like, you won't think the world is as crazy as what you are surrounded by. You'll start to like, see a different perspective and you'll help you stay grounded and not so like, intense and relaxed and at ease.

[Colin]

Wow. You know, no one's ever advised for reading.

[Guest Host]

I'm your show. I'm gonna learn to read. And it's all thanks to you.

[Chappelle Lacy]

I'm gonna take reading classes.

[Colin]

Figure it out, man.

[Guest Host]

Thank you for joining us.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yes. No. This was amazing.

[Guest Host]

What a new guy.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yes. Yes.

[Guest Host]

Chappelle ac.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yes.

[Guest Host]

On tour. Probably by you soon.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yes.

[Guest Host]

Mad peaceful. 7 inch out soon on Hardle Records.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Yeah.

[Guest Host]

See you all next week.

[Chappelle Lacy]

Bye.