TERROR & Brody King: From the Valley to the World (A HardLore Special)

Summary

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HardLore Podcast: "TERROR & Brody King – From the Valley to the World (A HardLore Special)"

Date: July 23, 2026
Hosts: Colin Young, Bo Lueders
Location: San Fernando Valley, Burbank, Granada Hills, and Midnight Hour Records
Special Guests: Scott Vogel, Nick Jett, Martine Stewart, Brody King, Emily Chancellor, others

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Episode Overview

This special HardLore episode is a sprawling, multi-location oral history and celebration of TERROR—one of hardcore’s longest-running and most influential bands. Guided by hosts Colin Young and Bo Lueders, the conversation reunites original and current members to revisit the Valley's hardcore roots, the band’s formation and key evolutions, infamous shows, songwriting, and enduring legacy. Notably, they are joined by wrestler and musician Brody King and a rotating panel of close friends from the world of SoCal hardcore, making this episode a rare, detailed chronicle of TERROR’s place in the hardcore world.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Early Days in the San Fernando Valley & Discovering Hardcore (05:36–08:49)

• Nick Jett on Growing Up in the Valley: Nick’s parents were Memphis-to-LA transplants involved in the early punk scene, exposing young Nick to punk early. Both parents attended legendary LA punk shows (Fear, X), influencing his trajectory.
  • Nick: “When I gravitated towards [punk], they’re like, ‘Oh, check out all this.’”
• Transition from Punk to Hardcore: Nick’s first bands emerged from Valley house parties and the Rock en Español scene. Key Valley connections included Sean Grind (Piece by Piece), Edgar, and practice spaces in garages (not basements in California).
  • Nick: “If your parents let you take over the garage, that was like a bonus.” (05:29)
• Valley’s Community Spirit: Nick’s garage quickly became a hub for the next generation, supporting early practices for bands like Piece by Piece and Terror.

From Carry On to Terror: The Bridge Years (08:45–13:19)

• Joining Carry On: Nick, a fan of Carry On, became drummer after claiming Straight Edge at the audition (“I’ve never done anything… I guess I’m Straight Edge!” – 09:34).
• Carry On’s Demise: The band dissolved after a key member “broke edge,” leaving Nick and others at loose ends. Within a week, the seeds for Terror were sown.
  • “The band’s fucking done.” (Corey, via Nick, 11:50)
• Simultaneous Valley Bands: Piece by Piece started alongside early Terror, bringing a gritty, ultra-fast style inspired by Striking Distance—the definitive Valley hardcore flavor.

Piece by Piece & The Valley Sound (14:45–20:40)

• Piece by Piece Origins & Philosophy: Piece by Piece, with its signature intensity and Valley lineup, drew on the fastest, rawest sides of punk and hardcore, becoming a staple of the scene.
  • “When I first got into punk rock, I liked it because it was super fast. So, like, all the first hardcore bands I got into were really, really fast.” – Nick (16:13)
• Hardcore as Family: Scott reflects on how Nick’s garage was a creative home for an entire orbit of bands—Terror, Piece by Piece, Knife Fight, et al.—mirroring similar scenes in Buffalo.
• Nick’s Stage Persona: Nick, though reserved off-stage, is known for ferocious intensity live: “When I get on stage… I’m trying to hit the drums as hard as I can. Give 100% effort…” (19:43)

The Birth of TERROR: First Jams, Naming, and Demo (21:00–32:03)

• First Practice & Lineup: Scott’s relocation from Buffalo to LA was timed with Terror’s formation; their first jam featured a Madball cover to test chemistry.
  • “I didn’t know Nick, I didn’t know Todd. I was just like, this [Carry On] record is so good.” – Scott (17:17)
• Early Shows and Tuning: Nick notes a deliberate shift to D standard tuning (echoing Madball) to create Terror’s heaviness.
• Band Naming: “Right here I had the TV… with a VHS that said ‘Sheer Terror’… and I just thought, Terror.” – Scott (28:43)
• Demo Recording & Response: Songs largely written in a few rehearsals, demo self-produced and released, local support immediate due to overlapping scene ties.
  • “Good. It’s working better than any band I have ever been in…” – Scott (31:42)

Breakthroughs: Lowest of the Low, Rapid Growth (32:38–44:22)

• Writing/Recording ‘Lowest of the Low’: Tracked in Cleveland with Bill Korecky (of Clevo hardcore), capturing the lightning-in-a-bottle energy that would catapult Terror.
• Relentless Touring: Early road dog mentality (with minivan/U-haul “tour hacks”), shared connections with bands like Death Threat, Over My Dead Body, 18 Visions, Throwdown solidify their national reputation.
• Scene-Building Influence: Terror bridges gaps between East/West coast, traditional and metallic hardcore, all the while maintaining “hard as hardcore” ethos.

The Iconic Swinton Ave House: Ground Zero (57:16–66:48)

• Casa de Terror: Nick’s parents’ Granada Hills house became the literal and figurative HQ for Valley hardcore—practice spot, recording studio (pre-digital, on tape), party house, and way-station for out-of-town bands.
  • “Honestly, I don't know how the house is still here.” – Nick (62:18)
• Classic Tales: Cop visits, parties, in-house recordings (Donnybrook, Knife Fight, etc.), and infamous board-game/fart incidents; the quintessential hardcore communal living experience.

Key Lineup Changes & Evolving Identity (69:18–74:25)

• Todd Jones’ Departure and Aftermath: Todd’s exit marked a turning point—Frank “Three Guns” Novinec joins, followed by Martine Stewart (current longest-standing member after Nick and Scott).
• Maintaining Power: Martine’s arrival marks the start of a stable, creative period. Terror’s ability to rebound through lineup changes is rare: “Tomorrow you could play a show with Doug and Carl and it would just make sense…” – Emily Chancellor (95:20)

Band Dynamics, Practice, and Longevity (74:46–77:44)

• Never Practicing Together (!): Terror’s unorthodox workflow—members live across the US, rarely rehearse together. Personal prep is key (“I go in my car, scream as loud as I can...” – Scott, 75:18).
• Tour Machine: “Terror could literally be like, you have a show in Mexico City in four days, and… we would just show up… and everything would be fine.” – Scott (77:44)

The Infamous Shows: Lawless Venues & Chaos (44:44–52:08, 84:44–91:19)

• Studio S Nostalgia: North Hollywood’s Studio S was semi-illicit, anarchic—fights, unpaid bands, sketchy management. A vital spot for LA hardcore despite its brief life.
• Whiskey a Go Go Riot (85:24–90:51): Legendary incident where excessive security force led to a crowd uprising; after the melee, Terror was banned from West Hollywood for years.
• Rumors, Lore & Violence: Death Threat stays, notorious parties, band/crew fights, backyard fireworks—hardcore mythmaking in real time.

Songwriting, Recording & Restraint (111:37–130:29)

• Desert Writing Retreat for 'Still Suffer': Recent album written during group Desert trips (inspired by Knocked Loose); facilitated creativity, demoing with voice notes and laptops.
• Studio Talk: Working with Taylor Young at The Pit, bringing in guest vocalists like Chuck Ragan and Brody King.
  • “Somehow let us jam, playing full volume in this house with neighbors.” – Nick (112:05)
• Writing Terror: Evolution is balanced by guardrails—keeping “the feel” consistent, but not formulaic. Scott emphasizes “if people don't mosh to this, there's no reason to do it.” (114:10)
• Legacy: 10 albums in—a rarity in hardcore, still evolving while maintaining the core Terror identity.

Hardcore Ethos, Community & Mosh Valor (130:21–149:09)

• Advice for Bands: “Do it for the right reason… If you enjoy doing this… you actually have a love for it, yeah, it's just going to happen.” – Martine (130:26)
• Supporting the Next Generation: Terror habitually takes out smaller and diverse bands, staying humble and generous with the stage—a key to their community respect.
  • “You never had an ego about playing under anybody… That’s massively important.” – Emily (132:38)
• The Sacred Setlist: A handful of Terror songs are setlist mainstays, chosen for mosh-energy potential; others (like “Not This Time”) are “banned” for being too wild.
• Stage Rage & Pit Politics: Stories of destructive shows, band member stage rage (notably David Wood—“brutal guy!” 135:26), and navigating the chaos they actively encourage.

The "HardLore" Mount Rushmore: Hardest Mosh Parts (136:25–148:03)

• Each participant shares their personal “hardest mosh” moments and songs—ranging from Marauder, All Out War, and Striking Distance to Trapped Under Ice, King Nine, and Death Threat’s "Dead at Birth."
• Key insight: Even after a lifetime in hardcore, “Dead at Birth is the hardcore song.” (Emily, 147:58)

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Memorable Quotes & Signature Moments

• On Hardcore Diversity:
  “Any crowd you put us in front of... we’re gonna hopefully get them. But sometimes we’d just be like, why are we playing with these bands?” – Scott Vogel (93:05)
• On Maintaining Terror's Sound:
  “There’s some guardrails that we put up... we try to push that a little bit, but it ends up getting brought back to this thing that’s always Terror.” – Nick Jett (126:10)
• On Band Lifespan:
  “Round four. You never know which one’s gonna be the one.” – Scott Vogel (27:13) “You didn’t think round four was gonna last 25 fucking years?” – Host (27:15)
• On Giving Back:
  “You guys have never had an ego about playing under anybody... and I think that’s massively important.” – Emily Chancellor (132:38)
• On Legacy:
  “If the shows dip and the energy’s gone and we’re not having fun, that’s when it’ll stop... we need everyone to stop caring, stop coming to the shows and we’ll go away. We will go away.” – Scott Vogel (133:58)
• Pit PSA:
  “If you’re under 30, get the fuck off the stage and be moshing start to finish, or else what are you doing here?” – Host (99:22)

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Notable Segments & Timestamps

• 01:01–03:35: Coffee shop intro; meeting up at Zomu, Valley roots
• 05:36–08:49: Nick Jett’s punk/hardcore upbringing
• 08:50–13:00: Carry On stories, edge rumors, transition to Terror
• 14:45–20:40: Piece by Piece history; Valley sound defined
• 21:00–32:03: Early Terror practices, band name, and first demo
• 44:44–52:08: Studio S and lawless LA venues
• 57:16–66:48: Granada Hills HQ; recording hub and party house stories
• 77:44–79:17: Working with Martine, the band’s unique “no practice” dynamic
• 84:44–91:19: The Whiskey incident, fights, police, and aftermath
• 111:37–130:29: “Still Suffer” process; songwriting, recording with Taylor Young
• 136:25–148:03: Ultimate hardest mosh parts—each core member’s picks
• 149:09–end: Final reflections, gratitude, influence, and sign-off

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Closing Reflection

HardLore’s “From the Valley to the World” is the definitive oral history of TERROR, one of hardcore’s most enduring and influential acts. Through classic anecdotes, musical insights, in-jokes, and plenty of “lore,” listeners are afforded an unguarded look at a band that built its empire on authenticity, relentless work, and a genuine love of heavy music and its people. Through a mix of nostalgia, hilarity, and heartfelt wisdom, this episode stands as an essential document for any fan of hardcore punk.

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Transcript

[Nick Jett]

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[Host (possibly Brian)]

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[Nick Jett]

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[Host (possibly Brian)]

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[Scott Vogel]

You're a little bit crazy. I don't know what's gonna happen. I want my fairytale ending.

[Nick Jett]

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[Martine Stewart]

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[Emily Chancellor]

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[Martine Stewart]

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[Emily Chancellor]

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[Martine Stewart]

Amazing. All right, bring a date, your teen or even your mom. Book [e-mail]. see you on the roof.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

So I says to Mabel, I says, oh, hey, look at this. Hey, guys. Hello. Welcome. It's hard lore time. How you doing, Beau? We're here in beautiful Burbank, California, today in the San Fernando Valley. We wanted to stop by Zomu coffee, my favorite coffee shop in the world. And I'm with my. My good friend, my best friend, Mr. Brody King here.

[Emily Chancellor]

What a great day.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Beautiful day. It's inside a pottery studio clativity. And you know, one of the best things about coming here is it's hardcore owned and you never know who you're going to run into. So let's. Let's head in and, you know, see what's going on.

[Scott Vogel]

Whoa.

[Emily Chancellor]

Oh, my God.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

What noise it is. What a great day. Well, this is Scott Vogel and Nick Jett from the official 2000s, greatest hardcore band of all time, as we as decided on the show. Well, since we're all here, what do you say we just stop and talk about terror for a while?

[Scott Vogel]

The thing I'd like to talk about the most amazing.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Let's go inside.

[Emily Chancellor]

Hello. Hello.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Okay, so this is Phil. He's owner, proprietor of Zonloo Coffee. And this is what I'm gonna order. This is what you should order. If you ever come in, Phil, can I have the greatest latte in the world?

[Martine Stewart]

Of course.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Thank you. Officially titled that as of now, so that's all you need to do.

[Emily Chancellor]

I'm gonna order what I think is the greatest espresso tonic. Not really tonic. Let me get that, you guys.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Well, what are you into coffee?

[Emily Chancellor]

Is that a sweet coffee?

[Scott Vogel]

I want to just go super generic. I'm sorry. No, he's good at That I just want like a latte with an extra shot and oat milk, please.

[Emily Chancellor]

Yeah.

[Scott Vogel]

Thank you. Would you like it hot or iced? Iced. And I hope Nick gets espresso.

[Nick Jett]

Yeah, I'm going to do espresso.

[Scott Vogel]

He's going to get. He's going to get wild.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Refined, cultured purists.

[Scott Vogel]

We've also spent some time together. I know what he wants.

[Martine Stewart]

Beautiful.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

We're back here waiting on coffees now. You know Scott, we've had you on for a three hour full length episode that anybody can go back and listen to. Nick, this is your first time on the show?

[Nick Jett]

Yeah, I don't do shit you don't

[Host (possibly Brian)]

do, but you do. And that's what I want people to

[Emily Chancellor]

do, a lot of shit.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

So I want to get into the early days of Nick and the San Fernando Valley because you're our godfather, you're our vintage stigma, basically, you know, born and bred. Tell me about early days of Nick discovering punk and hardcore in the Valley.

[Nick Jett]

I guess I started going to punk show. My dad got me into punk rock because he, he went to punk shows in la.

[Emily Chancellor]

Legendary J. Jett legend.

[Nick Jett]

Yeah, he. Well, we're from Memphis. I was born in Memphis but moved here when I was like six months old. But my dad in Memphis saw the Sex Pistols on their One and Only Us tour back in the 70s, so he was into punk. He came to LA and went to punk shows, you know, in the late 70s, early 80s. And when I heard something that was some kind of punk sounding, he was like, oh, check out all these records. And gave me a bunch of to check out. So he kind of got me into it at first and then met some weird punk kids.

[Emily Chancellor]

Your mom was kind of into punk rock too, right?

[Nick Jett]

Both of them. They both went and saw Fear and X and Wild.

[Emily Chancellor]

Yeah, you're born for this.

[Nick Jett]

Yeah, but it was like they were into all different types of stuff. So it wasn't just like only, only punk. But when I gravitated towards that, they're like, oh, check out all this. And got into all the LA punk, met weird punk kids at my school. Nobody was really into hardcore until I got to high school. And then I met a couple guys. I met Sean Grind, who was original drummer from Piece by Piece at Granada Hills High School. So we met and started hanging out with other hardcore kids. And then ultimately they knew this, this guy Ant from Sylmar who had a practice space in his, in his garage.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Because we don't have basements here, we don't have the privilege of the Kid with the basement.

[Nick Jett]

If your parents let you take over the garage, that was like a bonus.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Parents and the neighbors.

[Scott Vogel]

That's a whole.

[Emily Chancellor]

That's a holy space.

[Nick Jett]

Yeah, my. My parents, you know, they pretty much let me take over the whole garage. We had the cops coming all the time, like banging on the garage.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

I've seen it happen later.

[Nick Jett]

Yeah. But yeah, Ant had this practice space and we went there to practice a couple times. And that's where I met Corey Williams and Todd for the first time at that practice space in Sylmar.

[Martine Stewart]

And.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

And were you already playing drums at the time?

[Nick Jett]

I was playing drums, but I was actually playing bass in my. Like a first. The first hardcore band I played in.

[Emily Chancellor]

When did Edgar come into your life?

[Nick Jett]

Well, I met Edgar in junior high school. We met when we were like 11 or 12.

[Emily Chancellor]

Another Valley legend, straight up dude.

[Nick Jett]

So we were playing in, you know, kind of punk, kind of like rock bands. He was. There was like a. A rockin Espanol scene like in the 90s. And I mean there still is, but it was huge.

[Emily Chancellor]

Still in it.

[Nick Jett]

Yeah. And we. So I started playing in his band. It was like rockin Espanol. We played like house, house house parties and clubs and. And stuff like that. So we've been playing a band since we were 11, 12 years old.

[Martine Stewart]

That's awesome.

[Scott Vogel]

I think one important thing too is Nick's dad and grandfather played drums too.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

There it is.

[Emily Chancellor]

They play as fast as you, though.

[Scott Vogel]

Not possible.

[Martine Stewart]

Nobody plays not possible.

[Scott Vogel]

Nick's dad has played a terrorist song with us, right?

[Nick Jett]

No, we were trying to get him to. He was on tour with us, but he played. He played a piece by piece set. We played like three or four songs in. Tote at Woody's.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Wow.

[Nick Jett]

In Germany. Schleitz Schlights.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Damn, dude. He up untitled for sure, right?

[Nick Jett]

Yeah, well, he played. He played on a couple piece by piece recordings.

[Scott Vogel]

Oh shit. I didn't know that.

[Nick Jett]

Yeah.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

So you said your first band you were playing bass in?

[Nick Jett]

I. I mean, I played in just local, you know, bands from the Valley, punk rock, hardcore bands. But when I started going to hardcore shows, it was like all these other bands were doing cool stuff like going on tour, going out of town. And none of my bands did that. But you know, ultimately like through Sean and I met Corey. They were like. There was an opening for drums in Carry on and they were like, you should go try out at that point. Carry on was like my favorite band. And I was going to all of their, you know, shows locally, whether it was in Hollywood. There wasn't a lot of shows in the Valley at that time. So I was going to Hollywood, going, going to Headline Records as I'll carry on to Headline Records a couple times.

[Emily Chancellor]

I'm gonna hit you with a classic BO rumor. So I know that you've never drank or done drugs, but is it true that you officially claim to be Straight

[Nick Jett]

Edge to join Carry on at the Carry on tryout?

[Emily Chancellor]

Yeah.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Wow. Yeah.

[Scott Vogel]

What'd they say? Your edge. And you're in. If you don't take it.

[Nick Jett]

You're like, well, they, they're like. Actually the tryout was just me and Todd in a room. So it was very, you know, like tense. And I was like, I don't know what's going on.

[Emily Chancellor]

I couldn't imagine it being tense with super Normal.

[Nick Jett]

I think they gave me like four songs to learn. So we just like, you know, blazed through these four songs and. And he's like, okay, and where are

[Host (possibly Brian)]

they at this point? Are the 7 inches out? Is the Lifeless Plague down?

[Nick Jett]

No, this was like the self titled 7 inch was out and that's when I really fell in love with the band. Yeah, roll with the punches and off my chest or on that, on that record. And so that was, that was out. And they had just recorded A Lifeless Plague, but it wasn't. Yeah, it wasn't out. So they had just got back from the studio and they're like, we lost our drummer. We need a drummer. And so at the rehearsal we played through the songs. All right, good. Are you Straight Edge? And I was like, well, I've never done anything. And Todd's like, well, you got to be Straight Edge to be in the band. I was like, all right, well, I guess I'm Straight Edge.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

And how aware of or into Carry on are you at the time?

[Scott Vogel]

My introduction to Carry on is, is kind of late. Like I. When I was living in Arizona and about to move to la, I went and stayed at Dave Mandel's house because he's someone I knew pretty well. And my friend Larry from Buffalo was living with him. And this was, this is a good friend of mine and. And he gave me a tape and a cassette, dubbed cassette. And one side was the no warning 7 inch. The other side was a lifeless plague.

[Martine Stewart]

I.

[Scott Vogel]

Obviously not obviously, but I knew no Warning because Buffalo and I've seen him.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

You're right there.

[Scott Vogel]

And he. I had never. I don't think I've ever even heard the word Carry on. But I was like blown away by that record. And this was a time when, like early 2000s. So big stuffs, like every time I die bleeding through 18 visions and. And maybe even American Nightmare was maybe the bigger hardcore. Bam. And that's a little off center too. And I think Larry said, like, this is gonna center you. And I heard it. And then I got the call about Carry on dudes wanting to start Terror or start a band.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Right. What's the vibe internally with Carry on as the record is coming out? Is the whole Ryan may have broke edge and this is not gonna go well thing happening right away?

[Nick Jett]

No, I mean, I was totally in the dark with everything in that sense, but everybody there was all these big plans. We were like, supposed to do a European tour and all the, you know, all this stuff after the release.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Wow.

[Nick Jett]

You know, ultimately we did like the east coast tour, like, right around when the album came out.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Yeah.

[Nick Jett]

Right after 9 11, we played CBGB's. Like, I think three weeks after 9

[Emily Chancellor]

11, I hit you with another rumor. I love it.

[Nick Jett]

All right.

[Emily Chancellor]

Is it true that Corey was unaware that Ryan had Broke Edge when you guys played the last show and that it was kind of like the full demise of the band?

[Nick Jett]

I think that's. I think that's pretty much how it happened. We played a show at the Troubadour, like, December of 2001. And the next day I, like, got a call from Corey. He's like, the band's fucking done.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Wow.

[Nick Jett]

And I think that's how.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

And it sounds like, silly or trivial now, but, like, it was a different time. And the record is so straight Edge.

[Emily Chancellor]

Yeah.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

How does it feel now to be playing those songs again with these four. Same four guys.

[Nick Jett]

It's awesome. I mean, I. I love hanging out with all those dudes and I mean, I love the songs. I love the record is. You know, there's like. It's weird how you play songs and then you might not play him for a number of years. In this case, you know, almost 24, 25 years. And like, part of the songs are still, like, in your bones. Like you could. They still kind of come out naturally. So that's how it felt. But yeah.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Welcome back.

[Nick Jett]

Hell yeah.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Love to see.

[Scott Vogel]

Can I bring up a timeline, please? You said that the last Carry on show was December 01.

[Nick Jett]

Yeah.

[Scott Vogel]

Because I think the first Terror show is April oh 2.

[Nick Jett]

Yeah.

[Scott Vogel]

So we like. And we played a show, so we must. Terror must have started.

[Nick Jett]

I mean, I think, like, literally, like a week after that, that Troubadour show.

[Scott Vogel]

I never. I never.

[Nick Jett]

Todd was like, hit Me up and was like. Started a band with. With John Lacroix and. And singing from Barry Live is gonna sing like, are. Are you. Are you in? I'm like, yes. But that was like a week later, you know, like, so it was kind of crazy.

[Scott Vogel]

I never knew it was that quick.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

How fast? Because you're doing Piece by Piece at the same time. At first, yeah. The early days of both bands are kind of happening concurrently, I think.

[Nick Jett]

I think Piece by Piece, like, we had already. I don't know if we'd played a show yet, but by the end of 2001, we already had our demo and that was already in the works.

[Emily Chancellor]

So was it like the fallout of Carry on created Piece by Piece?

[Nick Jett]

I think it was already. Piece By Piece was already kind of getting started.

[Scott Vogel]

That's just you wanting to be a front man and doing something like that. I think.

[Nick Jett]

I think we just wanted to do it like. Like our separate group of friends. It was like Sean lineup.

[Scott Vogel]

Was it Jeff Givens?

[Nick Jett]

Yeah, Jeff, who's not a musician.

[Emily Chancellor]

He's on base.

[Martine Stewart]

Right.

[Nick Jett]

I'm sure any. Everybody can relate. Like, Jeff Corey. You just have your boy that, like, you're going to be in the band

[Emily Chancellor]

before you can go like this.

[Nick Jett]

Yeah. And somehow he actually was able to play. He played on the records and everything.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

I mean, he's Frank Free Gun's cousin, right.

[Scott Vogel]

Not in real life.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

So it's in his.

[Scott Vogel]

They can drink together pretty good.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Okay, got it. Got it.

[Scott Vogel]

Jesus Christ.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

This is maybe the best chance. I'll have to talk to you Will have to talk to you Piece by piece. Cause, man, obviously you got bad religion in 1980 and you got Terror coming. But Piece by Piece, to me, to us is the definitive San Fernando Valley hardcore band. We talk about it all the time, privately and publicly. Tell me about the early, early days and those first two records.

[Nick Jett]

We were influenced a lot by Striking Distance. Like, to me, that was like the number one influence. When the band started, when I saw them play at the Ojai Women's Club, like in probably 2000 or something like that, it was. It was like raw, fast, and super pissed off. And I wanted to do some kind of version of that. And then it was just all of our closest, closest friends at, you know, from the Valley, we're all. We were all kind of Valley people. But, yeah, I don't know. We just carry on, you know, was kind of ending and. And then we just wanted to continue playing shows. So we were like kind of just as soon as the, you know, carry On Stopped. We were just playing pretty much every weekend.

[Emily Chancellor]

I feel like the. The early 2000s in. In LA, they kind of set the tone for like the rest of the 2000s. It was like, you know, piece By Piece, Terror, Donnybrook, Internal, Internal affairs. And like, they're all like.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

They're not like the grain of what you said was popping off.

[Emily Chancellor]

They're not super, you know, big breakdowns. They weren't like you, like you said, bleeding through or throw down anything. It was fast as hardcore, hard as hardcore, more traditional. But, like, to us, it's harder than almost any band. Like, I've seen Piece By Piece a hundred times. And the line, I'll punch you in the face, I swear to God if I dodge Corey swinging at me, Nick swinging at me. And it's like I've been hit by one of them every time I've seen Piece By Piece.

[Nick Jett]

We used to punch each other. Like, Corey got me once so bad. I was like, I think I'm going out some stars and everything. Like, Jeff used to hit people with his base. Like, I think we all like the fast. Like, I mean, I guess what I first got into, punk rock, I liked it because it was super fast. So, like, all the first hardcore bands I got into were really, really fast.

[Martine Stewart]

Like.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

And you can tell in Terror demo and most of the love.

[Nick Jett]

Yeah. And I mean, that bounced off of Carry On. Like, when I heard Carry On, I was like, this is so fast that.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

That it's nearly. It's like not sustainable to do the double time hat for that, for the whole record.

[Nick Jett]

But I think that became like, normal for us where, like, okay, that's to us, that's what fast hardcore is. That tempo, that's the speed. So I think Carry on was like that. So when Terror started, it was like, oh, this is a fast part.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

And also, I mean, it's very different from what you've been doing musically for the last. Your whole life. John Lacroix and Todd have this idea. You get brought in before Nick. It sounds like I got a phone

[Scott Vogel]

call from John Lacroix, like, hey, I heard you're moving to the West Coast. I'm doing this band with the two guys from Carry On. We've talked about you singing. Do you want to check this out? And I, I was done. I was like, all my bands in Buffalo did a little broke up. Did a little, broke up. I was moving out here, like, doing bands, right? And then I heard this Carry On. I was so. It was like, so weird. I was so into listening to the Carry on lp. And then I got this call and I had no. I didn't know Nick, I didn't know Todd. I didn't know anything. I was just like, this record is so good.

[Emily Chancellor]

Like, were you aware of any of the other bands? Like Piece by piece or anything?

[Scott Vogel]

No, nothing. And then this all just caused me. I drove from Arizona. I was like staying in it. I lived in Arizona with my friend Mark for like four months, just figuring out, like, when I went to stay with Dave Mandel, I was checking out la. I checked out San Diego, I checked out the Bay. Trying to figure out where I was going to move. One thing I want to say though, that just observing from the outside when I first got to Nick's garage and I think all these bands, like, Piece by Piece. I don't know about Carry on, but Terror. Every time Terror would practice, another band was leaving. Knife Fight, all these bands. Because Nick had a studio in his garage. He could demo things. But also there's just instruments everywhere and every band could practice there. So I'm assuming from what I know, and this could be wrong, that Carry on breaks up, but there's just this hub and all these people that just go to Nixon. I'll play bass in this, I'll sing in this, I'll play drums in this. And because there was just like a million bands going on and it was all brand new to me. Yeah, but like in Buffalo, it was the same thing. Every band would be around, break up and then everyone would still. Let's do a band that sounds like Judge. Let's do a band that sounds like Turning Point. Like, I feel like it was the same thing. But his garage was ground zero, as far as far as I could see.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Well, maybe we'll go there a little later.

[Emily Chancellor]

When did you have. You're not unapproachable, but you're very. You're like more of a quiet guy. You kind of like stay low key for the most part. And like, I feel like when people see Piece by Piece, they see this like, maniac beast dude.

[Scott Vogel]

The monster comes out.

[Emily Chancellor]

The guy with Dead at birth tattooed across his collar and fuck you on his back. It's like the two hardest back to back and Jet, just old English across his stomach.

[Nick Jett]

I don't know,

[Host (possibly Brian)]

like, who hurt you?

[Nick Jett]

Yeah, I mean, it's. It's.

[Scott Vogel]

I don't know.

[Nick Jett]

It's. For me, it's. I guess I approach drums the same way. Like when I. When I get on stage, like when we play a show, like, I'm like, trying to hit the drums as hard as I can. Give, like, 100% effort, like, throughout the whole set and put everything into it. And I think so, like, if. I guess when I'm doing that as a frontman or singer in a hardcore band, it's like that's the feeling that I have. Like, I have to give that much. So when I'm yelling, it's not like I have this crafted screaming voice. It's like, literally, like I'm yelling at somebody.

[Emily Chancellor]

Yeah.

[Nick Jett]

Because I'm angry.

[Emily Chancellor]

I could truly say that there is very few people that have the intensity that you do. Like, some people, they put on a show.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Yeah.

[Emily Chancellor]

You are visceral coming out of you. Yeah.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Our natural. You're doing great. And so many people don't know. And that's. And that's, you know, that's what we're here for. Piece by piece. One of our favorite bands. We're going to get into terror now. Okay. But I just need you to know. All right. Oh, look at that.

[Emily Chancellor]

Oh, hey, there he is.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

The coffee man has arrived.

[Emily Chancellor]

Greatest cup on planet Earth.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

On planet Earth.

[Martine Stewart]

Thank you.

[Emily Chancellor]

This is the world.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

The world's greatest latte.

[Nick Jett]

I don't know. We've never been there.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Thank you so much, Phil.

[Emily Chancellor]

Thank you, Zomu. Thank you.

[Scott Vogel]

Thank you.

[Emily Chancellor]

Enjoy.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

All right, we're going to take these. We're going to go over to Scott's first apartment in the Valley, and we're going to talk about the early days of terror.

[Scott Vogel]

North Hollywood's.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

We'll see you there. Scott, tell us where we are.

[Scott Vogel]

So this is. What's the. What's the number? 5701 Clump Avenue. The first place I moved to when I first came to Los Angeles.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Now, was it the name Clump that drew you to the street?

[Scott Vogel]

It was, honestly, Big Nutty professor fan. The cheapest place I could find a price. Yeah, it was like. So when I left Buffalo, I was living with three other members of Buried Alive. We had a house, apartment or whatever you call it. And I think my rent there was like 350. Everything, all bill, all utilities, everything, so.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

And you don't have power in the winter, so it's like, it's not a big deal.

[Scott Vogel]

So moving out here, the prices and I think what I paid here was like. It was the studio in the back. It was tiny. It was up, and I think it was like 750.

[Nick Jett]

I want to say it was like 500.

[Scott Vogel]

It was cheap.

[Nick Jett]

I think it was cheap.

[Scott Vogel]

It was cheap, but it. It Was pretty much the cheapest place we could find. And I moved out here. My girlfriend at the time, she was in Chicago, I was in Buffalo. We had decided when Buried alive moved up, move broke up, we were gonna move and we decided on California. Like I said before, we didn't know if it was gonna be San Diego, the bay here. I got the call from lacroix.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Okay.

[Scott Vogel]

We did the first terror jam.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

So is that at that jam, are you meeting Todd and Nick for the first time?

[Emily Chancellor]

Yes.

[Nick Jett]

Did.

[Scott Vogel]

Yes. Walked into cold. Into a room. Knew they were going to be a little bit younger than me.

[Emily Chancellor]

How much younger are they? Ten years.

[Scott Vogel]

Not.

[Nick Jett]

We're nine years apart.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Which in hardcore years is eternal. Pretty.

[Nick Jett]

I was. I was 19.

[Scott Vogel]

Well, we're here. Speaking of this garbage can they're about to pick up. One time me and Corey were sitting out. Out. I had like two little chairs back there.

[Martine Stewart]

Watch out.

[Scott Vogel]

And we used to sit outside and me and Corey were sitting there. We believe we saw someone come and dump a gun in there. It was perfect. Really bizarre thing that happened here in North Hollywood.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

What happens in clump, baby?

[Scott Vogel]

Maybe we should go back there.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Yeah.

[Scott Vogel]

If they kick us out, they kick us out.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Yeah.

[Scott Vogel]

So this was where I lived, right here. They. They turned. We just found out they turned it

[Nick Jett]

into a parking spot in the laundry room.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

It was such a cheap and valuable place that two parking spots.

[Scott Vogel]

It was literally, I think just right there. And I had. Right after we moved in, we got a dog. A rescue from. I can't remember where.

[Emily Chancellor]

What kind of dog?

[Scott Vogel]

His name was it a. His name was Jules, I think after Jules. From side by side. I don't know. But a mean dog. The meanest dog I've ever seen. Bit many people.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Who'd it bite?

[Emily Chancellor]

Notably who did it bite?

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Come on.

[Scott Vogel]

Todd got a little bit. Todd got a little bit. Just a little bit.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

What was Todd's reaction being bit by Jules?

[Scott Vogel]

I think he was pretty mellow. Were you there?

[Nick Jett]

I don't remember.

[Scott Vogel]

No one could come in there. The dog was crazy. If you ever saw the terror keep your mouth shut video, the dog's in it barking. We filmed some of that here and I used to have chairs right here. And Nick probably picked me up here a million times.

[Emily Chancellor]

So your whole apartment was basically the size of like a storage unit.

[Scott Vogel]

Just that thing right there.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Would you. You think that was just a compact parking spot?

[Emily Chancellor]

Yeah.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

This first practice you guys meet each other. What is your first impressions of each other?

[Emily Chancellor]

Nick, were you aware of Scott already from like Buried Alive and stuff.

[Nick Jett]

I didn't. I didn't know, like, the discography and the records. I just knew the band name and people told me he's the greatest frontman ever. And even back then I was like, all right, wow. But, yeah, and then, I mean, just the first rehearsal, my memory is you came into the garage and almost right away you asked me, can you go in there and just play drums?

[Scott Vogel]

Oh, maybe it's.

[Nick Jett]

And I literally just went into the room, closed the door, and you were just through the window. And I just played something all by myself.

[Scott Vogel]

I think I was just. I just. If you're in a band, a hardcore band with a drummer that doesn't hit hard and can't play a fastbeat, you. You're not good.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

You're wasting your.

[Scott Vogel]

So I was probably so in my head about the drumming and you're like,

[Nick Jett]

I gotta get this out of the way. Just.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

He's perfect. He's been.

[Scott Vogel]

And Todd was perfect, too. I. I didn't sing anything. I think you guys just ripped.

[Nick Jett]

Well, we. I remember the first time we. We set up and play. We. We played a Mad Ball.

[Scott Vogel]

Oh, really? We did a cover.

[Nick Jett]

The first song off Hold It Down,

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Can't Stop one side.

[Nick Jett]

Yeah. We played Can't Stop, Won't Stop that very first time. Yeah. We're like, let's just play something. What's something we could play?

[Emily Chancellor]

Wow.

[Nick Jett]

And which.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

A year ago, at that point, you know.

[Nick Jett]

Yeah.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Wild.

[Nick Jett]

Yeah. But I think. I think part of it, I mean, because Terror is tuned down a step from Carryon, and I think Mad Ball was one of the main influences of. Oh, let's tune down slightly from typical E standard. Yeah. So Terror's D standard. Mad Ball tunes the D standard. So I think that was kind of thing. Oh, let's play something that's in. In D in this tuning. And we all love that record. And that's like. That song, I think, was kind of a good example what we wanted to do.

[Scott Vogel]

I think we jammed for an hour and I think I went back to where I was staying in Arizona and said, what do you think about moving to la? And I think it was pretty quick after I saw them play. And in my head, I didn't want to be in a band, but in reality, I probably did nod in your head.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

You're moving to California to join Terror to start Terror. Is that like a conscious, coherent thought? Like, I'm moving to California to start this band, or I happen to be moving to California and happen to be.

[Scott Vogel]

I was moving to California to Get away. Just, you know, if. If you. I lived In Buffalo, what, 25, six years?

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Yeah.

[Scott Vogel]

Going on tour and seeing other parts of the world, I was just like, I want to try somewhere else. California was beautiful. I was moving here without music, clean slate. Once I met these guys, then I was moving to LA to do Terror, I would say, in Buffalo. Real bands. I. Slugfest, Despair, Buried Alive. So this is round four.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Round four. You never know which one's gonna be the one.

[Scott Vogel]

You didn't think round four was gonna last 25 fucking years? Jesus Christ.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Did you think this would last?

[Martine Stewart]

Oh, no.

[Scott Vogel]

Did anyone? Like, how many bands have lasted this long? Like five, the ten albums?

[Emily Chancellor]

Nobody. None of them.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

That's what I'm saying. And I really have. I've thought about this a lot over the past year of just, like, who has this many good records? And it's been consistent the whole time. I don't think it exists. Many, many. There's, you know, there's some that come close, but it's a lot of work. Exactly.

[Emily Chancellor]

Going into that first practice, did you have any. Like, was the band named Terror in the world at all?

[Scott Vogel]

The actual name?

[Emily Chancellor]

Yeah. Like, did someone. Like, this is what the band's called, or did that come later?

[Scott Vogel]

The way we got the name, if I remember correctly, is Matt pike hit. Probably Todd Up. Me or Todd, we both knew him, but he was. In the early days, Todd was really taking the reins of, like, getting shows and stuff like that. And it was like American Nightmares. Coming to California with Striking Distance and Threat. Do you guys want to play three of the shows? And I think we were like, yes. And he's like, okay, what's your name? We're like, we don't have one. And right here I had the TV with a vh, whatever, a bootleg VHS that I bought from Rick to Life. And it said Sheer Terror. Really big on. And I think I was just sitting there and just saw it and just thought, terror. And I brought it up and that was it.

[Emily Chancellor]

It is crazy because it's such an iconic name, obviously, and it's. Did you guys run into any problems with, like, other bands named Terror?

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Like Al Qaeda?

[Scott Vogel]

He never. And I think by this point we have to own it since we have

[Emily Chancellor]

so many kids out.

[Scott Vogel]

But there was never any.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

The word loses meaning after a while. It just becomes the identity, you know. Tell me about writing. The actual process of writing the demo. How fast did that come together?

[Nick Jett]

I think it. It all came together in a few rehearsals, really. I think by the time we got Together with Scott there was maybe two songs written. So maybe I want to say Another Face and what have We Done or something like that were written or we did or they were at the beginning stages. So there was a couple things. So I think once we're like, okay, full steam ahead, it was write a couple more songs and then we had the four song demo.

[Scott Vogel]

And everything happened so fast too. He had the studio, maybe Todd had the connections to get his shows. We were all ready to go. Like everything just started happening and happening. Like Matt Smith designed stuff and he was. I think he's the original bass player.

[Emily Chancellor]

Yeah.

[Scott Vogel]

So he made the Eagle and the first shirts.

[Nick Jett]

He screen printed the first Terror shirts on.

[Scott Vogel]

They.

[Nick Jett]

Todd and Matt had an apartment together in Woodland Hills. And the screen printer was on the balcony of the apartment and he print screen printed all the first Terror shirts

[Emily Chancellor]

there, which is still for sale on

[Nick Jett]

the most Eagle design. And there's one that Rene Notsell designed Renee from CHIPS thing on a like a forest green was the demo.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Did you guys put that out yourselves or did TAKEOVER do that?

[Nick Jett]

We did it ourselves.

[Scott Vogel]

Burnt CDs.

[Nick Jett]

Well, we went. We like actually had them printed because they actually.

[Scott Vogel]

Oh, they actually.

[Nick Jett]

It was pretty. It was pretty pro.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

And what's the response? Like right off the bat.

[Scott Vogel]

Good. It's working better than any band I have ever been in. I think it was just like a. A beautiful merger of like I'm a little older, coming from the east coast, they're a little younger. They already got the actual hardcore scene on lock here. Like in. You know, at that time I'm listening to. I was so much into like All Out War, Marauder, Mavill. That's all I was listening to is Stigmata at that time and kind of fusing that where like they're more into like Floor Punch and like Striking Distance and stuff like that. Stuff I knew but I never really leaned into. And we just had this merger and it just. The energy and it was just like you could just tell from the first show that like just the energy, we just always had the energy. And they, they had all these friends. They had like a mosh team. They had a mosh team. And that's super important.

[Nick Jett]

Yeah, I mean I. I think it was a. A pretty seamless transition from Carry on riding at least for I think Todd's perspective, like into the Terror stuff. The big change is tuning down a step to D. Standard tuning.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

And that melody was kind of. Whatever melody, semblance of melody was in Carry on was kind of cool.

[Emily Chancellor]

Yeah.

[Nick Jett]

I Think that was like pretty seamless hearing that.

[Emily Chancellor]

Another Face in. What have We Done? Being the first two songs coming from Carry on, that kind of makes a lot of sense.

[Nick Jett]

Yeah, but there was like some obvious changes of like. Like the Breakdown. Another Face is like a pretty heavy, stompy kind of breakdown. I don't think Carry on would do. So it was kind of like a conscious thing to do something heavier than Carry on, but not too heavy. It was kind of our version of what Heavy was at the time was

[Scott Vogel]

Mad Ball kind of on a hiatus. And we kind of were like, yes, let's slip into that.

[Nick Jett]

They haven't come back yet because, I mean, I think just a year later they did come back and we played their. Is that when Freddie was in shows?

[Scott Vogel]

When they came out, that's where Charlie showed up with his up teeth. Right at this door too.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

It's an important place. How fast does Lois of the Low start coming together?

[Nick Jett]

Yeah, well, we tour. We pretty much went on tour right away because it was. I think we recorded the demo probably like in February of 2002. Played our first show April 2002. Played shows with Striking Distance, Death Threat and American Nightmare, like Within. I would say May or something. And then we flew out and did the Hellfest in early summer of 2002.

[Scott Vogel]

Was that the tour with we? Did we?

[Nick Jett]

No, this is before the actual Death Threat Over My Dead Body tour. But we played our first east coast show. Or at Hellfest.

[Scott Vogel]

Did we also do that was first

[Host (possibly Brian)]

east coast show ever?

[Scott Vogel]

Yeah, Furnace Fest was up there too. Really early.

[Nick Jett]

Well, that was part of.

[Scott Vogel]

Part of the tour.

[Nick Jett]

Yeah. Because later that summer, Death Threatened Over My Dead Body took us on tour. We did a full, like, I would say six weeks of the US With.

[Scott Vogel]

And that was in the minivan, right?

[Nick Jett]

In a minivan, which we illegally hooked up a U Haul trailer to.

[Scott Vogel]

I rented a minivan, we put a hitch on it. Fucking drove all over stuff and the engine burn out in like, Indiana. And I don't know what we did from there, but I canceled my credit card so they couldn't charge me for genius.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

You can. Everybody should do that. Try that.

[Emily Chancellor]

Probably not anymore. This stuff you could have done in

[Scott Vogel]

the early 2000s, I got away with it.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Give it a shot.

[Emily Chancellor]

Did you have like a book of lyrics coming in? Like, hey, I got these songs that I've written. Or did it just come together early?

[Scott Vogel]

Terror. There was a point after like maybe one with the Underdogs where it got tougher with lyrics. But the early stuff, it just Came super easily. Like, I was so hyped up on the music and that the band was, like, hitting hard, hard, hard just came out pretty easily. But I don't think I showed up with anything thematically.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Was any of the early terror about frustrations with Buried Alive?

[Scott Vogel]

Yeah, lots of it.

[Nick Jett]

Wow.

[Scott Vogel]

I. I got. I can read some of the early stuff and think of directly who I'm talking about. I don't want to put it out there.

[Emily Chancellor]

That's sick.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

You're playing shows again. You're fine. You know, let's talk about lowest of the low. Do you consider this LP one, even though it was a 10 inch or something?

[Martine Stewart]

I would.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Okay, close.

[Emily Chancellor]

I mean, how many songs are on it?

[Scott Vogel]

Our LPs now at this point are basically the same.

[Emily Chancellor]

Right.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

So it's 16 minutes, but. Yeah, 16 important minutes. Tell me about writing this record, how quickly that came together, and why Bill Correcki was the guy to record it.

[Scott Vogel]

I'm gonna give a lot of the stuff to. Yeah, because his memory is much. Especially about recording.

[Nick Jett]

The whole Bill Correcki Cleveland thing that. I mean, the. The things that he recorded were a huge influence on the beginning of the band. I think the, you know, the Integrity Records One Life Crew album. What else? You did the first Ringworm record, but we flew out and we did, like, some shows with the Promise, I think, in Canada before the. Before the recording. Then we went straight to the recording, but I flew out to. I don't know where we flew into, but I flew my whole entire drum set, which is. I don't even know is possible, but, like, we just showed up with drum cases to the airport.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Oh, shit. Have you ever done that since?

[Scott Vogel]

No.

[Nick Jett]

I don't know if it was free or very cheap, but they let us just check the whole entire drum set in at the airport.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Dude, I've never even heard of that was.

[Emily Chancellor]

At this point in your. Your musical career, I know you already started recording stuff analog in the garage. Was recording with someone like Bill Korecki. Like, was that kind of like an aspiration for yours, or was that. Was it just cool in the moment?

[Nick Jett]

No, I. I was definitely into the whole. I think I'd always been into, like, the whole idea of being in the studio going, you know, walking in a recording studio and seeing all the gear and everything, you know, set up. To me, that was always super cool. I had, like, recorded with Paul Miner early on. Like, the band I played bass in, we recorded with him. That was the first time I, like, went into, like, a big studio and Saw this stuff. But this would have been the first time, like, you know, like, we really. I was really recording something in a cool studio, and he had a really cool studio. It wasn't the original place where he recorded all those, you know, classic Clevo records, but he had moved to this big warehouse looking thing outside of Cleveland.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Did you learn a lot working with him on that?

[Nick Jett]

I learned, yeah. Anytime we've recorded with, you know, anybody from Bill correctly correct up to, you know, working with your brother, like, I always learn something. It's such a cool way of. For me being able to, like, take it, apply it to what I do. Working with other bands is, you know, watching all these people work. Oh, they do this a little bit differently or learning new things. So, yeah, I definitely learned.

[Scott Vogel]

Learned a lot in the studio. I'm probably stressed out more than anything. Like, this has got to come out. Awesome. Hope my voice works. But I remember after we got a cassette of it and just in the van listening to it and being like, all right, that's pretty.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

All right.

[Scott Vogel]

It worked out. So I just remember at that time, we were just playing so much and, like, touring and touring and like, obviously if you want to keep building momentum, you need a record that sounds good and has the energy, and that one worked. And I remember Human Furnace coming. Frank came with him, and they were in full party mode. It was.

[Nick Jett]

Freddie was wearing a cowboy hat and a Ted Nugent shirt. We're like, who is this guy?

[Scott Vogel]

I think those times were a little bit less stress. You know, we're just. Everything was just happening so fast. You couldn't really.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Well, I mean, terror is not your job. There's no pressure. It's just like, let's make a sick hardcore record.

[Emily Chancellor]

Scott, when you moved to California, you know, when I think of you, I think of, like, Dre and I think of Nick and all those guys.

[Scott Vogel]

It's funny with Dre because, like, I would see him all the time and we would just say hi to each other, and then, you know, we'd both be, like, drinking and stuff. And eventually I think I just went up to him like, yo, we gotta hang out. And then. Then we did. Yeah. But I have a. Can I tell this great Dre story from here?

[Host (possibly Brian)]

This is Dre from Donnybrook, by the way.

[Scott Vogel]

So one time we played at Studio S. He had the Donny. That's the wings, beer, sports, sleep in the van. And we're not even on tour. So he parked the van out here. Was it a Terravan? The Donnybrook Van. I don't know. A van got parked here because no one could stay here with me because my dog was so crazy. We slept and drank in the van the whole time. But we must have came in a little bit because we were taking a weight, like a curling weight, maybe a 20 pound weight. And we were spiking it into the floor just for fun, like, drunk.

[Martine Stewart]

And.

[Scott Vogel]

And then when my girlfriend at the time came home, she was so mad because I didn't wake up to pick her up from the airport. She had to take a taxi. And when she got home, we had just spiked this weight into the ground like 50 times. And the whole floor was fucked up.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

So that's a little divot right there.

[Emily Chancellor]

Was your floor concrete or was there a carpet?

[Scott Vogel]

It was concrete with a carpet, but concrete. You could.

[Nick Jett]

It.

[Scott Vogel]

It was. It was happening.

[Emily Chancellor]

What was the. What was the lineup for Lowest?

[Scott Vogel]

To Love People Wise Rich Thon.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Right.

[Nick Jett]

Yeah.

[Scott Vogel]

And Doug.

[Nick Jett]

Doug.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Doug was in that early.

[Scott Vogel]

Wow. Todd, Doug and Rich.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

And then how was the response to Lowest of the Low? Just continued steamrolling.

[Nick Jett]

Yeah.

[Scott Vogel]

Bridge 9 was. Bridge 9 bought us a van.

[Emily Chancellor]

Wow.

[Scott Vogel]

He must have been the reason why we could afford Bill Korea. I don't.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

And expensive.

[Nick Jett]

I think the budget was like fifteen hundred dollars. Okay. And we. I think we recorded mixed everything in like three. Three days.

[Scott Vogel]

But Bridge nine was popping, so we were just in the right. You know. That was definitely not. That was like a. Not me. That was like probably a Carry On Carryover.

[Emily Chancellor]

What were some of the other bigger bands on Bridge 9 of this and American Nightmare?

[Nick Jett]

Well, no Warning was like. Yeah.

[Scott Vogel]

And we were.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

I.

[Scott Vogel]

We actually verbally agreed to do the record with Indecision.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Wow.

[Scott Vogel]

Didn't we go out?

[Nick Jett]

Well, this is after Los Aloe.

[Scott Vogel]

Oh, was it?

[Nick Jett]

Yeah.

[Scott Vogel]

So with one with the Underdogs.

[Nick Jett]

Yeah.

[Scott Vogel]

Are you sure about that?

[Nick Jett]

Well, maybe there was some talks, but after Lois. Hello. When we were. I guess we decided we were gonna probably do a different label after Los Aloe.

[Emily Chancellor]

Okay.

[Scott Vogel]

We did have more indecision talk.

[Nick Jett]

We did.

[Scott Vogel]

Okay. I thought we committed to do the first record, Lowest to Low, with Indecision. And then we backed out and had to like, be like, hey, sorry. I don't know exactly, but at some point we were going to do something with Indecision.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Is there any reservations for you being like terror being what it is musically throwing double bass in?

[Nick Jett]

Yeah, that was. That was strange because it was. I don't know who. Whose idea it was. I don't think it was my idea.

[Scott Vogel]

That's Better value right in the first.

[Nick Jett]

I think it was Todd's idea. And so I always look at Lois and Low as kind of like a compilation in a way, because it's the demo. The four songs that are on the demo. Two songs from the seven inch. From the seven inch that we did with on Takeover Records.

[Scott Vogel]

What are the new songs?

[Nick Jett]

And then we did three new songs and it was. It was Keep your distance. And then two songs that have double bass in it. Better off without you. And Low to low. And I'd never. I'd never played double bass before, so it was.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Oh, you rocked it.

[Nick Jett]

Let's get a double bass pedal for the session. And I. We saved those two for. For the. For last. So we.

[Scott Vogel]

So writing them, you didn't use the double bass. Did you know you were going to do the double bass there?

[Nick Jett]

We might have just like written them without any double bass. Let's try it with double bass in the studio.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

So that was Todd just being like, come on.

[Nick Jett]

I think he's like, let's try double bass. And I'm like, I could probably do it. Let's figure out. Figure it out. And we did it in the studio and.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Because it's out of character for like that kind of hardcore, but it also recreates that kind of hardcore subconsciously in your mind. And then it unlocked the potential for what you could do in the future. And it doesn't seem like that crazy of a thing to do, but it

[Nick Jett]

is for me it was a big jump because to me that was like metal. Exactly. It was like kind of punk hardcore. To like, if a band had double bass, if a band had double bass. It was like metal influenced metal, whatever.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

And there's. There's double bass on Age of Quarrel for all the purists out there.

[Emily Chancellor]

But Nick, you're also a die hard Slayer fan.

[Nick Jett]

Yes, but that was like later on, I would say, like. Well, not too much later on. Piece by Piece is named after Slayer song. Was that.

[Emily Chancellor]

Was that Edgar.

[Nick Jett]

Edgar got me into Slayer Sepultura. He is the one that got me into all the old school thrash stuff.

[Scott Vogel]

Remember when we went to Japan and Edgar, the minute we got there, bought

[Nick Jett]

that within an hour of being in Tokyo.

[Emily Chancellor]

Had to have it.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Yeah.

[Nick Jett]

And then he also got a ticket for smoking on the street because he rolled out with this, his Jeff Hanneman Raining Blood guitar. And he was like, hell yeah. Lit up a smoke and we're like walking on the street and 10, like, yeah, like street officials, like surrounded. They all surrounded him in a Circle.

[Scott Vogel]

And he said, what's going on?

[Emily Chancellor]

They've never seen anyone like this.

[Nick Jett]

Yeah.

[Emily Chancellor]

A Valley cholo in the middle of Japan.

[Nick Jett]

And he got a ticket and, you know.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Yeah, yeah. All right, well, we're actually right around the corner from an iconic Valley venue that's no longer around called Studio S. We're gonna go check it out, stand in front of there and see if any memories pop up.

[Scott Vogel]

Sounds good. How are we gonna find this fucking place?

[Host (possibly Brian)]

We gotta just follow the vibes. All right, we're now here on Satsuma Avenue in North Hollywood, outside of the bones of what was once Studio S. Even reading the word Satsuma sent chills down my spine. Tell me about what you remember from

[Nick Jett]

Studio S. Hanging out in the parking lot.

[Scott Vogel]

A lot of hanging out over here. It was great for me because when I first moved here, like, going to the show. Showcase.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Showcase.

[Scott Vogel]

Showcase Theater in Corona. Days away, it could take three hours. And for some of Buffalo, that was like, insane. Chain reaction. Two hours. This took me fucking four minutes. So this was beautiful for me.

[Nick Jett]

Yeah. And it wasn't really any other venues in the Valley, like kind of the Cobalt Cafe, but that popped off a little later. Yeah. But this was, like the one spot in the Valley where there were shows

[Scott Vogel]

happening, and it was kind of run by a dude and his girlfriend. So it was kind of like anarchy a little bit.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

It was lawless.

[Emily Chancellor]

It is funny. Cause it's like, I feel like so many hardcore shows now are in proper venues with bathrooms and places to get water or something. And it's like driving up here, it was like a. This wave of nostalgia and thinking about coming here when I was 17, 18 years old, it's like I probably should not have been around the corner from Circus Liquor in the middle of the night doing the things that we were doing.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

The first show I ever played in my first band, I sang here, and I was 14 years old. I had absolutely no business being anywhere near here. And it was awesome. So, yeah. And the door guy was the first guy I ever heard call Taylor Trailer. So that has stuck with me.

[Emily Chancellor]

You never let him live it down.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Never let him live it down.

[Scott Vogel]

I remember I booked a terror show here once. And I've. In my life, I've booked shows, but very rarely. And I did book a terror show here. I have no clue. No idea. I just remember, like, I feel like there was a vibe, like they weren't paying the bands what they should be paid. So I can't remember who worked the day the Door, but it was very like, we're gonna count how many people are here and get what we deserve.

[Martine Stewart]

Okay.

[Scott Vogel]

It was probably like 287 people or something like that.

[Emily Chancellor]

You got $287?

[Host (possibly Brian)]

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[Martine Stewart]

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[Host (possibly Brian)]

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[Scott Vogel]

in the world ever.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Ever?

[Scott Vogel]

Jesus Christ. When I walked off stage after three songs because I was so drunk, I didn't know what was going on, and Nick yelled at me, that was. That was a low point for me.

[Emily Chancellor]

Do you remember where you were?

[Scott Vogel]

The UK somewhere.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Was it hard to Yell about that.

[Nick Jett]

I don't remember yelling. I thought Jordan yelled.

[Scott Vogel]

Someone yelled at me. I think Jordan gave, and it wasn't yelled. It was disappointing.

[Emily Chancellor]

So this was kind of later on.

[Scott Vogel]

It was a fe. It was probably around, like, Keepers of the Faith time, important time. Mid 2000s, we got up on stage at a festival. I thought we were done, and I sat down backstage, and everyone came and said, what the fuck? And I was like, yeah, that was awesome. They're like, dude, we played three songs and you said good night and left.

[Nick Jett]

What, like three songs in the set. You called out Keepers of the Faith, and I was like, all right. I guess this is the last.

[Emily Chancellor]

I feel like. I feel like visually in my brain, I can see Nick with his, like. Like, smile laugh going on in that moment.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

And those festivals, if you're not. Sometimes if you don't play the allotted time.

[Scott Vogel]

Yeah, they probably had 45 minutes for us, and we did seven.

[Emily Chancellor]

They were demanding. Why you didn't play that long?

[Scott Vogel]

Sounds like a great. We should do that more often.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Anything come to mind for you? Worst Terror show of all time.

[Nick Jett]

I think there was a show. We used to talk about this being a bad show. And we played a show in New Zealand where the stage was, like, this high, and there was, like, seven people there. And the PA stopped working, like, three songs in. And then we just, like, kind of walked off the stage and, like, just exited the belly. Like, let's just go back to the hotel.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Nobody will ever know. What about Studio S Things and shows that come to mind here?

[Scott Vogel]

I remember I was on the way here. This is where I met Chad Gilbert, who did a lot for Terror. I remember he was rolling up to the show with Toby from H2O, and I met him outside, like, right here. Just like Nick said, it was more just like hanging out. This was like, the.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

The parking lot situation.

[Nick Jett]

Yeah, yeah.

[Scott Vogel]

A lot of hanging, a lot of drinking. I remember. Did 100 demons play here?

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Because I know there was a Marauder Agents of Man gig here.

[Scott Vogel]

I remember Pete was here. I've got to think it was for 100 demons. And we all walked to Circus Liquors, which is, like, a couple blocks. And I must have reached in my back pocket to pull my wallet out, and he's like, hey, man, you dropped the blunt. And I looked down and I just. Oh, shit. Like, so just. It was a lot of, like, hanging out. It was. This was, like.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Like nefarious.

[Emily Chancellor]

I feel like the Terror Crew, they created the parking lot situation. Well documented.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Well documented.

[Nick Jett]

There would be. I don't know. 30 of us hanging out outside until maybe there was a band that we wanted to watch. And then we would just walk through the front door, and we would just tell them, like, we're on the guest list, and just walk in. Like, walk into the building, and there'd be, like, a line of 30 people, and we would just watch this set and then go back to the van afterwards.

[Scott Vogel]

I remember some weird thing too. Like, right over here, Big Zach put a sticker on the back of some girl's SUV or something, and she pulled it off and all the paint came off or.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

How long did Studio S actually last?

[Nick Jett]

I'd only been a year. Two years, tops. Like, it was pretty quick.

[Scott Vogel]

How many times you think Tara played here?

[Emily Chancellor]

Twice.

[Scott Vogel]

For me, it was come here forever. I just walked. I could maybe even just ride my bike here.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Did you ride a bike when you got here?

[Scott Vogel]

I don't know, because, like, drinking and driving is a bad. I've never really drank and drive, so maybe I just walked here or whatever.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

How.

[Emily Chancellor]

How into bicycles like this.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

I mean, a. Hilarious.

[Scott Vogel]

This is prime drinking, okay? This era, prime drinking.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

So you restarted your life, and you were. And alcohol was priority number one.

[Emily Chancellor]

You're like, I'm willing to do a clean slate. I'm becoming an alcoholic.

[Scott Vogel]

I kind of, like, gave up the weed and went straight to. To drinking heavily, which was not.

[Emily Chancellor]

And whose influence was that?

[Scott Vogel]

The wonderful Three Guns.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Then he left you now, Nick, you claimed edge to join Carry on. Has that ever been even a second thought since?

[Nick Jett]

I think I just enjoyed watching the spectacle of all the crazy shit happening. And I also kind of, like, always wanted to make sure nothing bad happened to people. So I was like, I'm the responsible one. I'm gonna be here to talk to the police when the police show up, or I'm gonna be here to drive everybody home after we. After everybody gets fucked up.

[Scott Vogel]

He also was the person that would be like, what the fuck? No one's partying. The straight Edge guy shows up with Mad Dog 2020. So I don't know what he's talking.

[Emily Chancellor]

I will also say that knowing everyone that has been involved over the course of, you know, the last 20 years, Nick really is the meme of the dog smiling in the burning house.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Yeah.

[Emily Chancellor]

Where he's just having a good time, and it's just chaos around him.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

But then at the height of the chaos is when the Nick go Die Persona, I think, really came to fruition, where it's like, you didn't need to be partying because you were the craziest motherfucker there.

[Scott Vogel]

You would also know he was going to wake up without a hangover. Jesus Christ.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Very nice.

[Scott Vogel]

Amazing.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Was this a conscious, like, character that you developed?

[Nick Jett]

I'm gonna say yes.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Okay.

[Nick Jett]

This is like very beginning of, like, social media.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Yeah.

[Nick Jett]

Like, Twitter was like, just started. Instagram just started. And it was kind of like our way of taking the piss out of everybody. Like, let's just post fucked up crazy shit on the Internet. And some people might think it's real. We know it's.

[Martine Stewart]

Yeah.

[Nick Jett]

We know it's a big joke and we're with people, but is it?

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Yeah.

[Nick Jett]

And obviously at the time we're like, you know, you're not thinking long term. Like, oh, I could post this on the Internet and it'll be there forever.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Digital footprint wasn't.

[Nick Jett]

It wasn't exactly.

[Emily Chancellor]

So from an outsider's perspective. Well, I was kind of an insider. I was living with Nick.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Yeah.

[Emily Chancellor]

Watching the Persona go on and off was always very funny. Cause it would be like some people visiting the house. Nick go dies on. They leave the house. Instant change back to Nick Jett. It was very comedic.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

I remember your Twitter bio when you were at Nick go die was something like, I would like to meet Kill a cam at some point.

[Emily Chancellor]

Did you?

[Nick Jett]

I never met him, but he followed me on Twitter. Hey. And I.

[Scott Vogel]

That's a win.

[Nick Jett]

That was like.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

You did it.

[Emily Chancellor]

Yeah.

[Nick Jett]

That was one of the coolest things.

[Scott Vogel]

That is a win.

[Nick Jett]

Yeah.

[Emily Chancellor]

So, Colin, this is where you met Scott.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

I love this.

[Scott Vogel]

I do not believe the story.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

I met Scott at Rockies.

[Emily Chancellor]

Okay.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

The Great Rockies.

[Scott Vogel]

When Terror played there.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

No, you were just there, which I thought was cool.

[Emily Chancellor]

White for Whiteman's airport. Whitman. Airport, yeah.

[Nick Jett]

Whitman.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Come on, bro.

[Emily Chancellor]

Whitman. Sorry.

[Scott Vogel]

Another keep your mouth shut video staple.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

I just filmed a movie there. That's where that movie was shot. It was at Rocky's. I was walking around the set going, you know, this was a venue and all these people.

[Emily Chancellor]

Edgar's mom owned the restaurant.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Exactly. Rockies, dude. Edgar. It all comes back.

[Emily Chancellor]

It all comes back to Edgar.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

But I was walking around at this show. I'm probably wearing an all out war shirt or something. And Scott comes behind me.

[Scott Vogel]

I'm, wait, this is Rocky's or here?

[Host (possibly Brian)]

This is Rocky's.

[Scott Vogel]

Oh, I thought it was here.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

And I'm like 15 or 16. And Scott comes up behind me and just says, dying breed. And then points at me and leaves. And it was like, all right, my fate is sealed. And then he gave me, my brother stuff for the next like 10 years. So I might be the original Scott's top now.

[Scott Vogel]

That's like $2,000 worth of stuff I gave you.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Yes, yes. Yeah, fuck that shit. Yeah, but I'm paying it forward now, you know, best 2000s hardcore mat of all time. All right, so now I think we need to transition to terror HQ Ground zero. We're gonna go over to Granada Hills to. How would you. What would you describe this place as?

[Nick Jett]

My parents house.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Perfect.

[Nick Jett]

Yeah. Swin Nev.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

The place that started it all. We'll see you there. All right, we're here in Granada Hills on Swinton Ave. At what was once terror headquarters.

[Scott Vogel]

This is an important one.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

What comes to mind for you? Just seeing this house again.

[Nick Jett]

Chaos. Crazy. I mean it was. It was our home base to, you know, record and, and write and practice like everybody practiced here. And then we had the recording studio set up so we can record our ideas, you know, right away. And this is pre digital, so, you know, tape, tape machine rolling. Tape, baby, get the tape machine rolling and. And we would record all of our ideas.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

So what? So piece by piece. Ndc, Wings of your sports. Is that all here?

[Nick Jett]

Yeah.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Wow. Yeah.

[Emily Chancellor]

And did you record Donnybrook here too?

[Scott Vogel]

Internal Effects. We did that.

[Nick Jett]

There's that Piece by piece. Donnybrook split. I recorded the Donnybrook stuff here for that. Yeah, I did like, you know, all the Knife fight records.

[Emily Chancellor]

Backtrack, Take offense.

[Nick Jett]

Yeah. And then later on did Backtrack.

[Emily Chancellor]

Relentless.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Relentless.

[Nick Jett]

I did that in Australia.

[Emily Chancellor]

I mean, they were here for a while. I think you recorded something here.

[Nick Jett]

Okay.

[Scott Vogel]

I just thought of a funny thing with the vocals for one, with the Underdogs were done here.

[Nick Jett]

Yep.

[Scott Vogel]

And Josta and Isaac rolled up with Jules Jordan in some sort of SUV and did that here.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

What kind of suv?

[Scott Vogel]

I don't know, it. Was it an suv? I feel like it was some big ass white suv.

[Emily Chancellor]

I don't know.

[Scott Vogel]

Escalade.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Is it true? I've heard a rumor, Bo esque that spit my rage. And Jocelyn Isaac being on it is one of the things that led to Todd not wanting to be in tyranny.

[Scott Vogel]

No, because he was already out. But he wasn't. He didn't love the idea.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Okay.

[Scott Vogel]

Which, I don't know, we're past. I wonder what he thinks of it now. Honestly.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

I mean, it's timeless.

[Emily Chancellor]

All right, well, if we're talking about rumors now, it's mine. Is there a rumor that Todd was tuning his guitar, broke a string, and then hurled his guitar at the wall and left Recording of One with the

[Scott Vogel]

Underdogs, I think two days in a

[Nick Jett]

row at Sound City Studios.

[Scott Vogel]

We're talking not a cheap. Not a cheap left.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

No.

[Scott Vogel]

So Todd can do whatever the fuck he wants, though.

[Emily Chancellor]

He writes iconic music just to get out of here.

[Scott Vogel]

Sound City not good enough. Sorry.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

And Sound City, home of Elton John, Fleetwood Mac, Tom Petty, Tom Petty, Terror Terror, Twitching Tongues. Twitching Tongues, you know, iconic spot. So that was. That was one with the Underdogs was recorded. Can you. Was it written here?

[Nick Jett]

Oh, yeah. I mean, I think we did all the, like, demoing here. We had all the songs kind of worked out here and then. Yeah.

[Scott Vogel]

So Todd told us he didn't want to tour, but he kind of wanted to stay in the band as a songwriter. But then when it came down to the studio time, there was a little bit of stress, but whatever. I'm always stressed out, too.

[Nick Jett]

Sure.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Was one with the Underdogs a tumultuous time, or is that one you look back at fondly?

[Scott Vogel]

I think it was pretty smooth, right?

[Nick Jett]

Yeah. Because, I mean, there was still a lot happening. We were touring so much. We were getting all these cool tour offers. I mean, we got to tour with at the time, I think, like, Blood for Blood took us out.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Is this one the Biohazard European tour?

[Nick Jett]

Is that was before recorded, which is.

[Emily Chancellor]

That's crazy that that first trip was Todd being out. Was this the first big lineup change for Terror?

[Scott Vogel]

It was scary. I remember I was like, oh. But then Nick gave me a demo of some stuff he wrote, and I was like, okay, we're going to be all right. Which was stuff for Always the Hard way.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

So riff wise was this kind of when you first started physically writing riffs as post one with the Underdogs?

[Nick Jett]

Well, you know, I'd written stuff for. Piece by piece, sure. But actual. Actual riffing and trying to play something like Todd would write. That was what I was trying to do. It was the first attempt at it. And so, yeah, it was, you know, obviously.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Hey, you did great.

[Emily Chancellor]

Talking more about Swinton.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Yeah.

[Emily Chancellor]

So I lived here for, like, five years. Nick lived here for. Wow.

[Scott Vogel]

So five years.

[Emily Chancellor]

A little bit of lore about the house. This was your mom's house. You lived here with all the maniacs. And Givens had like a half a door because it got ripped in half. They destroyed the house so badly that Nick's mom kicked them all out.

[Martine Stewart]

Perfect.

[Emily Chancellor]

And then Nick somehow convinced her to let us rent the house again with the caveat that we wouldn't throw any parties. And that simply was not the case. Every Halloween, when kids would come up, the parents would, like, kind of, like, shoo them away. They're like, no, no, not. That's the party house. We have candy for the kids. What are you talking about? Yeah, it was. Yeah.

[Nick Jett]

Honestly, I don't know how the house is still here.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Because it looks beautiful and lightning McQueen lives here. Everything's fine. I remember two later instances where we were playing board games one time, and you got so mad you left your own house.

[Emily Chancellor]

I did, yeah.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

And then Emily swears I farted in her nose, which I. Which I dispute. She said I was standing next to her face and farted. And I dispute this.

[Emily Chancellor]

Both things happened for sure.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

No, first one happened. Second one, no way. I would never do that.

[Emily Chancellor]

I feel like I've left my house at different houses because I was so angry about a board game.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

And then there was a Halloween where Taylor came dressed as you and you were already mad. And I think he walked in and went, what? I don't like parties. And you said, not now.

[Emily Chancellor]

There was a party where fireworks were going off inside the house.

[Nick Jett]

Yeah, that was Luis. That's what my mind went to, was Luis throwing fireworks into the house.

[Emily Chancellor]

Edgar's Spanish rock band played in the living room.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Sick.

[Emily Chancellor]

I had to go rent a carpet cleaner the next day. Cause it was just, like, soaked with alcohol.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

This is when you threw up on Ronnie's face.

[Emily Chancellor]

No, no, no. That was.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Where was that?

[Emily Chancellor]

That was. I mean. Yes, that was here.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

That's what I'm saying.

[Emily Chancellor]

Yes. Every band from, like, 2010 to 2015, like, stayed here.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Emily Chancellor ate dirt in the back.

[Emily Chancellor]

She ate dirt. She dug a hole with her mouth. Yeah. That was

[Nick Jett]

Death Threat stayed here while they were on tour. Once when my parents still lived here, my parents made breakfast for Death Threat. I thought that was, like, one of the coolest things.

[Scott Vogel]

That's weird because Aaron stayed with Martine and Dre once and hung out with Martine's mom for, like. She cooked for him and stuff.

[Emily Chancellor]

So I feel like there's always these, like, iconic, like, hardcore houses in different places. Swinton was definitely one of them because

[Host (possibly Brian)]

it was one guy's out, one guy's in, one guy's out, one guy's in.

[Emily Chancellor]

At one point, I had, like, three random Craigslist roommates that were absolutely insane.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Different wrestlers.

[Emily Chancellor]

Yeah, different. Yeah, it was. It's a weird time.

[Scott Vogel]

You stayed here after Nick was gone?

[Emily Chancellor]

I stayed after Nick was gone, yeah.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

You were the final resident. Really?

[Emily Chancellor]

Yeah. I mean, I showed the house to the people that currently own it.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Yeah, we just talked to them before we started rolling and she said, oh, I still get Emily's mail. Pretty cool. When did you move into this house?

[Nick Jett]

I was 18, I think. So that would have been, yeah, 2000.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

So that's kind of right when you're. You're. This journey that we're talking about is starting to pop off.

[Nick Jett]

Yeah. Because I think when I moved here, shortly after I moved here is when I joined Carry On. And yeah, I remember practicing for the Carry on songs. I had a drum set set up in this bedroom in that front bedroom. I set up my drums in that room and just on headphones and I. I think I recorded all the 7 inch stuff onto a CD, like a hotel turntable and put the set list together from the seven, from the vinyl. I made this CD and then I just had like a Walkman or Discman with the cd. Was practicing the songs in that bedroom right there. And then. Yeah, ultimately, yeah, this is where we were. We first met for the first. You know.

[Scott Vogel]

How long after you moved in here did the garage become the studio? Because if the gym were in a bedroom.

[Nick Jett]

Yeah, shortly after we moved in here, my parents, they said, yeah, you can build a studio in the garage. They let me take over the whole garage. And my ex girlfriend's father at the time was a carpenter. And the two of us, I helped him. We built interior walls inside the garage. So we soundproofed it. So it was really like. I mean, you can crank it up in there and you could barely hear a rumble, you know, standing right here.

[Scott Vogel]

Did we record all live by the code here? The whole thing.

[Nick Jett]

We recorded the drums at the studio in Hollywood and then we did all the. All the guitars, vocals here.

[Emily Chancellor]

We were doing gangs in the garage.

[Nick Jett]

Yeah, it was crazy.

[Scott Vogel]

When we started writing during the pandemic for Pain of the Power, when I still lived in LA because I was in Burbank, so I would take the same route to Granada Hills to meet him and Todd. And I was like, this is fucking bizarre. Like 20 years later, it was funny.

[Emily Chancellor]

On the way here, the navigation was having us go some weird way. I was like, okay, this is not it. Get off of 118.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

No. And then we got off on Spoiled and I was like, this is fucking Exit. It made me feel weird just pulling up. So I really can only imagine how you guys feel.

[Emily Chancellor]

I remember one time there was like an insane show at the Cobalt where there was a giant fight and all this chaos was happening. And then like the next day, Emily's like wake up, something's happening. I looked out the window and there's like 10 cop cars in the front. I was like, oh no. But someone had broken into the neighbor's house and jumped over the Cadillac and out our back fence. So the cops were luckily there for not me.

[Martine Stewart]

This is.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

You also woke up driving to work when you lived here?

[Emily Chancellor]

Well, I would wake up in my car a lot. Yeah, that's fucked up. I was very stressed out about being late to work. So the car would be on and I'd just be like, I gotta go back to bed.

[Scott Vogel]

It's 2:00am I got a question to debunk. I believe I have said a million times the Terror demo you play without anyone else, you just played no scratch track, no nothing. But this is not true. What's the truth?

[Nick Jett]

I mean that could have been.

[Scott Vogel]

I feel like you. Because I've never seen anything like this. I think you were like play in the control room, went to the drums, listen back. I think that's how it worked.

[Nick Jett]

We definitely done that before. So it might be. It might be true for the demo where we did that. But also it most likely was. Todd hooked up to some, you know, guitar and he would play along with me and we would record some guitar.

[Scott Vogel]

I don't think so.

[Emily Chancellor]

I will say. I would say being in a band with someone who just goes worry. I got it all in my head and you're just like bullshit. And then. And then they go in there and they record drums first and it's just all in their head. I believe that this happened.

[Scott Vogel]

I think that's how it was.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

It's kind of.

[Scott Vogel]

I had never imagined something like that.

[Nick Jett]

Yeah. And this is like the tape machine is crazy because it's. You only have so much time on the tape too. So it's like, you know, you got. You have to run in there and hit the thing and whatever.

[Scott Vogel]

This was a prelude too of watching Nick do a million things for Terror. Like there's certain things that I could always do, but there's certain things I could never do. And he's like the person. If you ask him to do anything, he's going to get it done. Which there's a million things he still does.

[Emily Chancellor]

I feel. I feel like you guys are the perfect tag team in a band for that. Because I feel like Colin and I are left for God's hate. It's like everyone needs the. The yin to their yang, you know?

[Scott Vogel]

Cuz I'm sure not the gonna go and help with the recording. So he's doing it all and I'm just sitting there. But then there's other things that I can get done.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Like what?

[Scott Vogel]

You know, lots of people make shit happen.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

You lose, Todd. One with the underdogs is done. One with the underdogs is out. How now does Terror regroup? And how fast do you kind of just keep the wheels moving?

[Scott Vogel]

What do we go for? Three guns, Right? This is the entry of Frank.

[Nick Jett]

Yeah. Frank replaced Todd.

[Emily Chancellor]

What a replacement.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

It's crazy.

[Scott Vogel]

Yeah, that was a. That was a power up. I wonder if we said we gotta get a motherfucker.

[Emily Chancellor]

So Frank went from Ringworm.

[Scott Vogel]

He was still in Ringworm, though.

[Nick Jett]

Yeah, I think. I don't know. I don't think Ringworm was touring that much at the time. So he was at home. I think Frank was working at National Tire Battery, one of those chain.

[Emily Chancellor]

So he was dying to do anything else.

[Nick Jett]

He was down.

[Emily Chancellor]

Yeah.

[Scott Vogel]

That's when some. The insanity picked up a level. Insanity in your mind.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

And Bob.

[Emily Chancellor]

So this was like a big jumping off point for Terror, though, right? Like. Cause I remember this was the. This was the record that I went to Best Buy and it was on, like, the new releases. It you, like the CD had.

[Scott Vogel]

This is a trust Kill, a fake

[Emily Chancellor]

vinyl record, like, scratchy top.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

And it was available at Best Buy.

[Emily Chancellor]

It was available.

[Scott Vogel]

And it was like, this was Trust Kill.

[Nick Jett]

And he was. He was.

[Scott Vogel]

Then this was when CDs sold. So he could sink some serious money into us.

[Nick Jett]

Yeah, we had like a video budget.

[Scott Vogel]

We weren't like, making money, but he was pushing us with real money.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Where was the overcome video,

[Scott Vogel]

L.A. river.

[Nick Jett]

Yeah.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

How the hell did you get down there?

[Scott Vogel]

That house also is where Dre took the death threat mug that got thrown those cabinets that don't exist anymore.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Rip the death threat mug. We'll get what you want me, dude.

[Scott Vogel]

I've never seen it again.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

I got a guy. I got a mug guy. All right, well, Terror has moved on generation to generation. Always found a way to regroup. Always found a way to keep going. So I figured we would do the same and go to the Valley's next generation hardcore hub in the Midnight Hour Records. So let's head over there now and keep this going.

[Scott Vogel]

Amen.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

We'll see you there. Hey, we're back here at Midnight Hour Records, the hub of hardcore in the Valley in 2026. Back here with Terror and some other now very special guests.

[Scott Vogel]

Agreed. Come on in.

[Martine Stewart]

Wow.

[Emily Chancellor]

Hey, it's Martine Martin of every band.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Martin of Terror, God's Hate, Et Cetera here for his official fifth Hardlore appearance.

[Martine Stewart]

Wow, fifth.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

This is yours as well. That means you guys are tied. You guys are. Both you two and Dan Celia are the first three members.

[Martine Stewart]

Well, I got sixth coming up real soon, so I'm about to be in the lead.

[Emily Chancellor]

Hey, maybe I do too. Why don't you?

[Host (possibly Brian)]

You never know. Look, it is a competition and you're awesome. All winning, but welcome to the Five Deadly Venoms Club. We're in it. Martin, you have now been terror for 20 years.

[Martine Stewart]

Yeah.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

How does that feel?

[Martine Stewart]

It's 20, right?

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Yeah.

[Martine Stewart]

I think this is officially 20 this year.

[Emily Chancellor]

Maybe crazy.

[Martine Stewart]

Feels. Yeah, Feels crazy. It's like a lifetime, basically.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Do you ever. Do you guys ever think about how little time was spent as Terror existing without Martinez?

[Martine Stewart]

I didn't think about it until recently because somebody asked me, actually, and I was talking about. I was like thinking, man, Todd was in the band for about this much time.

[Scott Vogel]

That's Todd. Like three years.

[Martine Stewart]

Like maybe. Like, maybe pushing three. But like two. I would say more like two or something like that.

[Scott Vogel]

Maybe I'm wrong, but he's recently made a triumphant return, so helping with a lot of things, but that is kind of crazy.

[Emily Chancellor]

So three. Three Guns was in the band after one with the Underdogs going into Always the Hard Way.

[Martine Stewart]

Yes, because I had.

[Emily Chancellor]

And then Martin jumped in.

[Martine Stewart]

We re. Took a band photo.

[Scott Vogel]

How long was Frank in the band? Less. Two years.

[Nick Jett]

Yeah, less than two years. It seemed like a long time thinking about it.

[Scott Vogel]

Frank was there when we recorded Always the Hard Way and we took band photos with him. And then he dropped the bomb. Well, actually, Martine dropped the bomb on me.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

And you told Scott Frank was joining Haybridge. Yes.

[Martine Stewart]

Yeah,

[Scott Vogel]

at the show place.

[Martine Stewart]

It was at the showcase.

[Nick Jett]

Buffalo's got a showcase that was on the way back from recording because we did Always A Hard Way Recording.

[Scott Vogel]

Did it with shows with Ring Way

[Nick Jett]

Back to la and Showcase was the last show. And that's where this is.

[Emily Chancellor]

What, 2005 ish.

[Martine Stewart]

Yeah.

[Emily Chancellor]

Terror was like a huge part of at least my life, but I think a lot of people my age's life because we would see bands like Hatebreed on MTV2 or whatever. Like, I know I Will Be Heard was a big video that made me. People are moshing. This is insane. I want to do that. But it's like if you went to a Hate Breed show in that era, it's just unmoshable. Yeah, it is Ozfest. It is not moshable, you couldn't fight type of Fight. You couldn't express yourself.

[Martine Stewart]

I definitely did.

[Emily Chancellor]

It's like. So Terror was the band that was like. This sounds like Hate Breed, but it has the shows that I want to go to.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Sure.

[Emily Chancellor]

So, yeah. This was a monumental turn in my life.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Now you're this indispensable tool. Live where you're singing, you're learning songs left and right.

[Scott Vogel]

He's pretty fucking amazing.

[Emily Chancellor]

He is incredible.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

You guys have the craziest system of being a band where you all fly separately. You don't ever practice together.

[Emily Chancellor]

We live in different places.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

You live in different places and somehow it works. Do you guys practice independently ever?

[Scott Vogel]

I gotta. I. Before we tour. No, for me, but since I am more responsible. Before we tour, I get in my car, I. I try to do this four, three and two days before the day right before rest, I go in my car and literally turn on Hate Breed or Marauder or something, turn it up and scream as loud as I can and try to blow my voice.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

So not Terror.

[Scott Vogel]

No.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Okay.

[Scott Vogel]

That would be the last. And I literally just scream at the top of my lungs and try to blow my voice out. And then, like, once my voice comes back, it's usually I can go.

[Emily Chancellor]

That's conditioned for a long time.

[Scott Vogel]

So that's my practice. I don't know if that's practicing, but that's what I do.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

What about you, Nick? Drums are a thing where I don't.

[Nick Jett]

Dude, I'm so. I don't do nothing.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Really?

[Scott Vogel]

Yeah, he just taps muscle memory.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

You guys do tour a lot.

[Nick Jett]

But that's the thing. It's like, we have three weeks off. Like, you know, we're fine. We're good to go. If it's that short of a gap between tours.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

So these Carry on shows are like the most you've ever practiced.

[Scott Vogel]

That's a lot of just.

[Nick Jett]

Yeah, we practiced five or six times and. Yeah.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

That's insane.

[Emily Chancellor]

Scott, let me ask you something. Have you had to play. Okay. As someone that has had to do this, have you had to play a Terror set without Martin in it? In the last.

[Scott Vogel]

Yes. We did a show. We did a show in the last two, three years with me singing, Nick on drums, Carl from First Hate Breed, First Blood on Terror guitar, guitar. And not Jordan and Chris on bass.

[Emily Chancellor]

How hard of a day was that for you? Because for me, when he's not at a God's 8 show, I'm like, I'm gonna die.

[Scott Vogel]

Let me give you an even harder example. Anytime I play with Buried Alive, it's because it's Just me. And it's like terror's muscle memory. So I can go through it and I'll just skip some of the parts with his terror where I know he's supposed to sing it and it's fine. But Buried Alive with no one and I'm not used to it. That's fucking tough.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

You gotta join.

[Scott Vogel]

That makes sense.

[Martine Stewart]

I did play a couple of times.

[Scott Vogel]

Playing with Buried Alive makes me realize how strong terror is. Sure, it stops. And Buried Alive is no slouch either,

[Martine Stewart]

but I feel something similar. No disrespect to them, but when I have to go on tour with Saul, play shows, and it's like four people that aren't these guys, and they're not as. Like you said, responsible.

[Nick Jett]

Yeah.

[Martine Stewart]

And you just get thrown into this mix with four psychopaths that are just like. It's like wrangling cats.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

It's an oiled machine.

[Emily Chancellor]

It's like. It's Voltron and they're missing the head.

[Martine Stewart]

Yeah.

[Emily Chancellor]

So it's like.

[Martine Stewart]

And I'm not gonna be that. I'm just along for the ride with something like that. But it makes you see things differently, where you're like, holy. Like, these guys kind of don't know what they're doing.

[Scott Vogel]

But you said, how crazy is it that we could literally. Tara could literally be like, you guys have a show in Mexico City in four days, and I would just know. We would just show up there and everything would be fine. Everyone would be there on time, get themselves there, and we would just make it happen.

[Martine Stewart]

Even, like, when we were practicing, like, practicing, we would sound check with new songs on this tour, songs that we hadn't played yet. And we would get up there for the first time and like, are you guys ready? He counted off. And then we would just play it. And we're like, oh, pretty good.

[Scott Vogel]

Pretty good.

[Martine Stewart]

Yeah, we know it. Like, that's kind of insane.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

I think it's just a testament to. To. To the longevity. You know, you are where you are for a reason.

[Scott Vogel]

Do anything for 24 years, you'll get it.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

On that note, after 24 years and 10 LPs, is there a record in. In particular that each of you thinks is kind of more underrated? In the Terror Discog,

[Martine Stewart]

I have one. Damn, the shame. That was like, the first record that I actually got to record the guitar tracks on and stuff.

[Emily Chancellor]

And, Scott, what's your least favorite record?

[Scott Vogel]

I'll underrate that one.

[Martine Stewart]

I'll underrate that at the time.

[Emily Chancellor]

Record is incredible, by the way.

[Martine Stewart]

We played so Many of those songs, like, in those following years. And then slowly but surely, things just kind of, like, shifted and we started playing different songs, blah, blah, blah. And I don't even think we've played anything off of that in a while. But there's songs that occasionally. Occasionally. But there's songs I miss and. Yeah, like, that's.

[Emily Chancellor]

I feel like musically that was the most, like, metallic hardcore you guys got.

[Martine Stewart]

Felt like it. Like, in retrospect, it feels that way.

[Scott Vogel]

The production, too. Yeah, it's super clean.

[Emily Chancellor]

The record is incredible. I know you feel a certain way about it.

[Scott Vogel]

It's for me, though, too. It's like that was my lowest point as a human being.

[Martine Stewart]

The recording experience was nuts.

[Emily Chancellor]

But the song Let Me See, is

[Scott Vogel]

that where I fell through the table?

[Martine Stewart]

Yes.

[Emily Chancellor]

The song Let Me Sing is a great song.

[Martine Stewart]

Oh, my God. Do you want to tell this?

[Scott Vogel]

I mean, long story short, we. We were staying at Zeus's house. He has a house next to the studio. We threw a party. With who?

[Martine Stewart]

It was just us. It was us mostly one or two guests.

[Scott Vogel]

I was standing on a chair, chugging a bottle of wine.

[Martine Stewart]

You were standing on the table? No, I thought maybe you were on a chair.

[Scott Vogel]

It was like a. It was like a movie. I was standing on a. I think a chair with a bottle of wine. It was just like,

[Nick Jett]

Tommy boy, it's on film somewhere. It was recording.

[Scott Vogel]

Don't give him any ideas.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Here it is. You can't take it back now. They've seen it.

[Martine Stewart]

Fail to find that after that party,

[Scott Vogel]

I was so hungover for two days. I canceled vocals for two days. I was just like, dude, I cannot do it. Then I was like, definitely tomorrow. The next day I was like, dude, I cannot do it.

[Martine Stewart]

Yeah, that was rough. It was a crazy time.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

What's your most underrated terror?

[Scott Vogel]

I feel like the 25th hour really gets no shine. No talk about. But I haven't listened to it in a long time.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

It's good.

[Scott Vogel]

So I'm not sure.

[Martine Stewart]

Still playing.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Do you still play the. The first song?

[Scott Vogel]

Yeah, I remember the gang vocals I like.

[Nick Jett]

That's one of my favorite things that Jordan wrote is the 25th hour intro.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Yeah.

[Scott Vogel]

The gang vocals. You and your brother did. And Ben Cook kept calling you the twins.

[Emily Chancellor]

The twins.

[Martine Stewart]

They were like five years apart.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

There was definitely a little bit that was like, I gotta kill this guy.

[Scott Vogel]

I need the twins.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

But it worked.

[Emily Chancellor]

I'm pretty sure Colin Taylor hated no warning from then on.

[Martine Stewart]

No, no.

[Emily Chancellor]

Because he's like, the fucking twins.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

No, no. I'm A surfer surviving guy. At the end of the day. That's what it is. Okay. 25th hour. Yeah, I could see that. When did you. Was the four word album title thing a conscious decision?

[Scott Vogel]

It was for a while and then it went.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Why?

[Scott Vogel]

I don't know.

[Martine Stewart]

I know. I think it was an accident.

[Scott Vogel]

Yeah, it was a coincidence. And then it was noticed. So I tried to keep going with it and then at a certain point it was like, this is dumb.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Okay, I'll make or impossible. Did you guys ever see the Always the Hard Way misheard lyrics video?

[Martine Stewart]

It was on YouTube.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Dude, it's gone.

[Martine Stewart]

It's gone. Yeah, it was like someone listened to the song without reading the lyrics and like kind of made up their own and it was just like.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

And they animated.

[Martine Stewart]

I burned it.

[Nick Jett]

Burned a DVD or something like that.

[Scott Vogel]

Were the lyrics cool or funny?

[Martine Stewart]

It was fun.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

It was awesome.

[Emily Chancellor]

I just think I had a line

[Martine Stewart]

that went along with it.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Yeah.

[Emily Chancellor]

A line from Enemies Are Mine. The end. It says, 30 long years and I'm still cool as fuck.

[Nick Jett]

Enemies in sight.

[Martine Stewart]

It says enemies in sight.

[Emily Chancellor]

Yeah, enemies in sight. Sorry.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Yeah.

[Scott Vogel]

Real lyric is core.

[Emily Chancellor]

It's core because it is written and kind of sonically sounds like cool as fuck. The core as is actually awesome.

[Nick Jett]

Yeah.

[Scott Vogel]

I would never say.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Imagine me saying I'm cool as was was 25th hour your. Your underrated pick, I think.

[Nick Jett]

Always the hard way because, I mean, it's fast. There's some like a hard breakdowns and I like. I mean, I like the production. For me, it's. I kind of special, I think, because it was the first one that I was writing a lot of this stuff, so.

[Scott Vogel]

And the layout is so cool.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Yeah. I mean, it was wrapped on your drums forever.

[Martine Stewart]

Right.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

The rhythm.

[Nick Jett]

Right.

[Martine Stewart]

I think that might be at my house or something.

[Nick Jett]

No, no, I got.

[Martine Stewart]

You got it now.

[Nick Jett]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

I feel like the rhythm Amongst the Chaos EP was kind of a big thing too.

[Scott Vogel]

That's cool. Because it's a gatefold seven inch.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

That is cool. And that was this transitional thing where it's like, wow, Todd's out of the band. What is the band now? And it was still awesome. And it clicked with me and I know it clicked with other people.

[Scott Vogel]

All this said, though we have so much fucking material, it's impossible to like, dude.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

But it's still good.

[Emily Chancellor]

When you guys are writing new records, is there songs where you're like, we will never play this live?

[Scott Vogel]

I don't think we ever think like that, but I think in reality we know like we're about to go to Europe and I just like made the set list that I want to do and sent everyone. And there's three new songs on it, which means three songs have to go in the garbage. Because it's not like we're gonna play a 55 minute set. I would rather.

[Martine Stewart]

Well, we've had to in the past.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

What do you do when that happens?

[Martine Stewart]

Stretch it out.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Talk.

[Martine Stewart]

Talk a little bit.

[Scott Vogel]

Samples.

[Martine Stewart]

I mean, yeah, there's been longer intro. There's been a 55 minute set. I believe a European.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Is that the longest terror set?

[Scott Vogel]

I think we've also just come to the agreement that we're just gonna play as long as we want. And if the festival promises Motor's mad, then he can be mad.

[Martine Stewart]

It was a really long one. That was not intentional, though. I don't know if you remember where

[Nick Jett]

you just kept coming out more songs.

[Scott Vogel]

We talked about the opposite of that, though. When I just went backstage.

[Martine Stewart]

You actually talked about that.

[Emily Chancellor]

Oh, yeah.

[Scott Vogel]

He said the worst terror show.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

What is the worst terror show you've ever played?

[Martine Stewart]

It was probably that one.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Really?

[Martine Stewart]

Yeah, it was crazy. And we saw the walk. That one.

[Scott Vogel]

I'll take the walk off over the 50 minutes. Holy.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

I could see you being really mad.

[Martine Stewart]

It was not. It was. It was just. It was crazy. It was just so chaotic, man. But also, what about.

[Emily Chancellor]

What about the craziest terror show? Like, I know, like I've experienced some crazy terror shows. I've experienced terror shows that didn't even get to happen. I remember.

[Scott Vogel]

Those are good.

[Emily Chancellor]

I was like 17. And you guys played El Dorado in Lancaster.

[Martine Stewart]

Oh, my God.

[Emily Chancellor]

And these two White Power dudes started a fight with Dre and Martinez.

[Martine Stewart]

No, they started with. They started hitting Marshall. And we jumped off stage.

[Emily Chancellor]

I watched Dre choke slam one of them through a table and it was awesome.

[Martine Stewart]

A catering. They had a catering table in the back of the room.

[Emily Chancellor]

But as. As your guys fight started, it was like everyone in the venue just turned towards each other and started fighting each other. And it was insane.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Yeah.

[Scott Vogel]

Yeah, the Whiskey was pretty good.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Let's talk about it. Let's break it down. This is a Hard Lore investigative report of terror at the Whiskey A go go in 2004.

[Emily Chancellor]

4.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

3.

[Martine Stewart]

3, I think.

[Scott Vogel]

Can you bring up the thing later that I'm gonna say about this guy? Cause he doesn't. Let me say it.

[Nick Jett]

Anything.

[Martine Stewart]

Yeah, yeah, let's do it.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Let's talk about the Whiskey first. Describe this event from your perspective.

[Martine Stewart]

What happened from my perspective. All three My perspective was a patron of the show. Wasn't playing in the band at the time. Was just really excited to be there. Good tour. Internal Affairs, Terror, Promise, Born From Pain, the Promise, no Shadow, Damn All. Yeah, it was all five of those bands.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

And were you in Sharon Rome at the time for that? For that one picture? That was the only picture?

[Scott Vogel]

Yeah.

[Martine Stewart]

Okay. That was after a Terror tour. I stayed in Europe and played bass for them. But, yeah, so I was a patron there. It was already.

[Scott Vogel]

You weren't in the band?

[Martine Stewart]

No, no.

[Scott Vogel]

Okay.

[Martine Stewart]

And it's the Whiskey. You know, anyone who's gone there as a kid knows the vibe.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

It's horseshit.

[Emily Chancellor]

This is the worst Hollywood.

[Martine Stewart]

You know, it's great if you're Poison or something like that before a hardcore show. Just never really was supposed to happen, I feel like. But they tried to happen, and security was just not. Not feeling it, you know, it was just too much for them. And they just, like, popped off hard and started, like, trying to smash kids around and stuff. And little did they know if they did it enough, people weren't gonna stand for it anymore. And it just, like. It boiled over and they. They got the shit kicked out of them pretty bad, you know? And it's like.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

And you still can't go there.

[Martine Stewart]

I was. I've been there since then. I just. I just saw Rose Tattoo there not too long ago. But I tried to go there, like, a couple years after, and I walked up, showed my id, and the woman working the door, she grabs my id, looks at it, looks at me. She's like, what the are you doing here? And I'm like, what. What are you talking about? Trying to play.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

You're still.

[Martine Stewart]

She, like, chucks it at my chest. She's like, get the out of here

[Nick Jett]

before I call the cops.

[Martine Stewart]

And I'm like, okay, sorry.

[Emily Chancellor]

Didn't this create, like, a ban from Terror playing West Hollywood for years?

[Martine Stewart]

I mean, I would assume so. I don't.

[Nick Jett]

Yeah, there was an issue or pretty much any of the Hollywood. A lot, actually. A lot of just LA venues, they wouldn't have us.

[Emily Chancellor]

I remember being at a. I think it was the Knitting Factory. It was like the first time you guys had played Hollywood since the Whiskey incident. And it was, like, insane.

[Martine Stewart]

It was a big deal. Yeah, it was a pretty cr. Yeah. Was it a matinee or.

[Emily Chancellor]

No, I don't think so.

[Martine Stewart]

No. Because I remember anyways. But yeah.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

How did that play in from your perspective, Nick?

[Nick Jett]

The whiskey. So we. There was a show, a mad ball show at the Whiskey. Like a month before. And we were there and there was already kind of boiling of some tension with security. So it was kind of like, what's going to happen at the Terror show? Is it going to be the same thing? And then there was something that happened backstage.

[Martine Stewart]

Oh, yeah. Like set the precedent for the Promise.

[Scott Vogel]

Yeah, the money got sold.

[Nick Jett]

The Promise had a. Their bag of money from the tour and they left it backstage. And also the security brought us. They wanted to search the backstage area. So they made everybody leave and went back there. And then the money was gone. So there was that and the tension from the shows previously a month before that.

[Martine Stewart]

And then.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Yeah, ticking.

[Nick Jett]

It was. Just happened. It started happening when we were playing. And then obviously there was a couple people that set it off.

[Martine Stewart]

That you know what really boiled it over was someone from the Warrior. Javier from the warriors did a stage dive, and the second big boy did. Yeah, These security guards were bigger, so. But they hemmed him up and that's what. It just kind of like exploded from there, and then people just weren't.

[Nick Jett]

And the stage is kind of head level.

[Emily Chancellor]

I remember there was in the Streets, right.

[Nick Jett]

Some kicks. Some kicks, you know, straight to the head.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

So why do you fight a bus?

[Nick Jett]

Thank you.

[Martine Stewart]

Well, I got locked in the venue, so everything spilled out the side door. If anyone's been to the Whiskey, they know there's a door right by the stage, spills outside. But they. Then they close it and lock it. And they lock the front doors, which is like these glass.

[Emily Chancellor]

Right.

[Martine Stewart]

Glass doors. And they just, like, tried to lock everyone in. There were freaking out, like, yelling at everyone, trying to get through. And I just. I don't. I think I kicked it or threw something through the window and broke the window out so everyone could get outside.

[Emily Chancellor]

Allegedly.

[Martine Stewart]

And there was just. Allegedly, yeah. Someone. Someone broke the window and go outside. It was just pandemonium in the street on Sunset Boulevard. Like, cars stop. Just people in the streets fighting everywhere. And I got into it with another

[Host (possibly Brian)]

guy in a living bus in the

[Martine Stewart]

middle of the street. And as we're in fisticuffs, a bus pulls up behind me and starts, like,

[Host (possibly Brian)]

laying on the horn, honking at me.

[Martine Stewart]

And so I just turned around and I hit the window and like, flipped the guy off or something.

[Scott Vogel]

I'm so glad I saw that.

[Martine Stewart]

And then he was just like, get out of the way. And I'm like, yeah, right.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Doing this one Sunset.

[Emily Chancellor]

That boy. Yeah.

[Martine Stewart]

So.

[Emily Chancellor]

And there's like, an iconic photo of the police cars in front of it. Right.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Awesome.

[Martine Stewart]

We Made a shot twice. And the first time was like a long time ago, shortly after it happened. And there was a cease and desist. Right.

[Scott Vogel]

I think we got.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Really.

[Martine Stewart]

Yeah, they shut it down. Yeah. Cuz it has like the whiskey marquee in there and everything. And it's funny cuz Internal affairs doesn't have any Rs in the name because Terror has.

[Emily Chancellor]

Terror has poured day, all these other

[Martine Stewart]

Shattered Realm and a lot of art

[Host (possibly Brian)]

and 10 of the fans.

[Martine Stewart]

And then.

[Emily Chancellor]

How many times do you think Taylor Terror has played a show that Terror didn't get to play? I know there was a. An incident in Knoxville, right?

[Martine Stewart]

Oh yeah. That was a 10 for 10 tour.

[Scott Vogel]

Probably 10.

[Martine Stewart]

First. First band that played the local opener called Fingers Crossed covered marauder.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

So the 11th for 10 started this.

[Martine Stewart]

Yeah, everyone hit the pit. Same exact scenario. Security just couldn't handle it. It exploded. And then the cops came and shut the whole. No, no one on the tour got to play.

[Scott Vogel]

We played.

[Martine Stewart]

Yeah. We went to a house.

[Scott Vogel]

Played a basement show.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Yeah.

[Martine Stewart]

At a local.

[Emily Chancellor]

I feel like all of these stories like just fueled the, like the mythos, the mythos of Terror and like it's gonna be insane.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Which really hurts a lot of bands. Yeah. But somehow works for Terror.

[Scott Vogel]

We just.

[Martine Stewart]

It hurts sometimes, but we just played

[Scott Vogel]

the Metro where we played with you guys Twitching Tongues and God's Hate on the Drain tour with a barricade. And my rib was so fucked up. But it was with that room. It was pretty unhinged.

[Nick Jett]

It was really.

[Scott Vogel]

Yeah, it was pretty unhinged.

[Emily Chancellor]

I will say that's good as being probably the greatest frontman of all time. In hardcore, you have a way of just commanding the crowd that nobody else has. Like you could take the worst show with the worst people and turn it around.

[Scott Vogel]

Thank you.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Hardcore has changed a lot in the last 24 years. Terror has changed a lot. Music has changed a lot in the last 24 years. But I feel like you guys kind of cracked the code on being the band that would just kind of do any tour that made a little bit of sense.

[Emily Chancellor]

They live by the code.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

You live by that code. When did that start and were you hesitant to do it when it first started?

[Scott Vogel]

I think we kind of chilled on that. Now we. I think at a point we said let's do tours more that we're excited about more than go outside the box. But I just think there was a time when we were touring so much, it was like to go out with the same bands to the same people. We just kind of had to spread our wings and play the different crowds. Sometimes it was great. I mean, any crowd you put us in front of us, we're gonna hopefully get them. But sometimes we would just be like, why are we playing with these bands?

[Emily Chancellor]

I've been to many Terror mixed bill shows. Oh, yeah. And the people are wondering why I'm there as well, so.

[Nick Jett]

But I think from the very beginning, that was kind of part of the mission statement. It was like, yeah, I mean, play any show, you know, like, we don't care. We. Obviously, the first tour was Over My Dead Body and Death Threat. But then shortly after, yeah, we're on tour with 18 visions and throwdown and

[Martine Stewart]

Cephalic Carnage Under Oak Haiti Eternals.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

What if that's like your third or fourth tour?

[Martine Stewart]

Yeah, it was like, all kinds of crazy stuff. That was before I was even in the band.

[Emily Chancellor]

But, you know, as weird as it could be for a hardcore kid going to a show like that, I feel like you end up opening the door for a lot of those kids every time experience hardcore for the first time.

[Scott Vogel]

I've had so many people come up to me and say, I saw you on this with this opening for this band that's outside the box and look at me now and like, just is a hardcore kid. So that. That's the big win. And hopefully is there baptism more than just music. Hopefully, mentally, that changed them too, because hardcore has a lot of good internal things you need.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

That's the best ones. It's the best genre of music of all time. Who is the most and least sane member of Terror?

[Scott Vogel]

No, that's. That's funny you should say that.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Yeah, we'll get him in in a minute.

[Scott Vogel]

You wait here.

[Martine Stewart]

His list question is, oldest time at this point. It's so funny.

[Scott Vogel]

Who's the most sane and insane? I don't want to do this because

[Emily Chancellor]

you're the most insane.

[Nick Jett]

It depends the year, the.

[Scott Vogel]

I'm not.

[Martine Stewart]

It depends on the time.

[Emily Chancellor]

You guys have definitely had the craziest cast of characters. And I think it is a testament to Terror.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Terror Carnival.

[Emily Chancellor]

Yeah. And the people that you've chosen to be in the band. I don't know of another band that has had as many member changes as Terror. And like, tomorrow you could play a show with Doug and Carl and it would just make sense for some reason. Like how. How many people have come through the Terror lineup that are just also welcome back. Is there people that aren't. You don't have to name them by

[Scott Vogel]

names, but I think we're good with pretty Much everything.

[Nick Jett]

Yeah.

[Martine Stewart]

I can't. Nothing comes to mind.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

You just need to have an iconic hardcore frontman on base at all times.

[Scott Vogel]

You know what's a crazy thought, though? Just think of the people that we've had on tour with us, like our road crew.

[Emily Chancellor]

Oh, yeah.

[Scott Vogel]

That's insane.

[Emily Chancellor]

That's a whole. The. The merch guy was. Is like their own Terror celebrity coveted role. It was like Chucky Edge. There was Dan Seely. There was Smack man. Like, those were like staples of the band.

[Scott Vogel]

EB's at the. the Whiskey smashing my fucking head open like little Drew.

[Nick Jett]

I mean, I think it kind of shows that, like, Tara isn't just like the five guys of the band too, because there's all these people that have given so much to the band that are become kind of members of the

[Emily Chancellor]

whole, one might say, Terror crew. Tried and true.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

And Jordan is the least sane.

[Martine Stewart]

Yeah. There's only one right answer. Thank you, everybody.

[Nick Jett]

I was waiting.

[Emily Chancellor]

Starting with the spelling of Jordan Jordan.

[Martine Stewart]

Yeah. When you just decide to change the spelling of your own name without ever telling anyone that, and then writing it on a government document to the point where you get stopped because your name doesn't match your real name.

[Scott Vogel]

I'll accept this as a big win. I'll accept this as a big win.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

You're doing good. You're doing all right.

[Emily Chancellor]

If he.

[Martine Stewart]

If he ever sees that, his head's gonna.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

We have one more special guest here. We have the. The. The current president of Scott's Tots Streets of Tate. Tate from start today.

[Emily Chancellor]

Tate X Hate Tate.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Could you go over by Martin so that he. So that he can get your voice here? Scott's current son, Tate. I need you to tell you that, like, Scott's guy's great. Scott's Tots is an institution that I've been in for 25 years.

[Emily Chancellor]

Many of us have.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

We've all been there. And, you know, I want to welcome you to the society as it grows. You're currently the valedictorian of Scott's Tots.

[Emily Chancellor]

I'm almost. I'll be 40 next year and I'm somehow.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

How was touring with Terror? It was awesome. I mean, everyone was super nice there. They could have very easily kicked us off their whole thing. Kicked us off the bus unless we were annoying.

[Scott Vogel]

But these guys got to the point where they would just walk on the bandwagon, go in the fridge and take whatever they want. They went to the extreme.

[Emily Chancellor]

That's awesome.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

We didn't start that way.

[Emily Chancellor]

So I will say, as being a young Person starting in hardcore 16, 17 years old. Having someone like Scott is always an integral part, like you. You somehow see the ones that are just gonna be lifers and you attach to them, and then you feed them all of the information they need and

[Host (possibly Brian)]

you tell them about Dying Breed.

[Emily Chancellor]

You're like, this band, this band, this

[Martine Stewart]

guy's had a lot of their own information already. Some of the conversations.

[Emily Chancellor]

Well, they have the Internet.

[Martine Stewart]

It's.

[Emily Chancellor]

Yeah, we didn't have that. Lucky, man.

[Martine Stewart]

Yeah, it's. But it's still like.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

It's impressive.

[Martine Stewart]

It's like, whoa. What.

[Nick Jett]

What are your.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

What are your four favorite hardcore records of all time?

[Scott Vogel]

Oh. Oh, it changes so much. But right now, Age of Corals, number

[Host (possibly Brian)]

One, Number two, Break down the Walls,

[Scott Vogel]

Number three, Through the Eyes of the

[Nick Jett]

Lord and For Satisfaction.

[Emily Chancellor]

Whoa.

[Martine Stewart]

That's a very good.

[Emily Chancellor]

I was. I was really not looking forward to the last two. And then he really picked it up,

[Scott Vogel]

is sick of it.

[Nick Jett]

All the blood, sweat, no Tears.

[Scott Vogel]

That's a good. That's a good one.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

That's a good five. You did good.

[Scott Vogel]

But it changes all the time.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Tell me about how you poach Scott's tots these days, what you're looking for in your army that you're building.

[Scott Vogel]

Shaved head's a great starting point. Shaved head, core shirt, the right attitude. I mean, if you're like, 20, you have to fucking mosh or what are you doing?

[Host (possibly Brian)]

This is.

[Scott Vogel]

These guys just all die in mosh all day long. Like, what are you supposed to do?

[Martine Stewart]

Roll up into the venue?

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Official PSA. Real deal PSA here. If you're under 30, get the fuck off the stage and be moshing start to finish, or else. What are you doing here if you're over 30? The knees are giving way, the back hurts, the neck is broken. Under 30, you got time. You need to be moshing. Standing here while the band is playing, literally here, doing this does nothing for your life.

[Scott Vogel]

I'm going 38.

[Martine Stewart]

It doesn't even sound good.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

It sounds worse.

[Martine Stewart]

You're not hearing the right stuff.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

It sounds better out there. You want to be pitting, or there's no point. You're contributing nothing. Unless you're doing a zine or something, in which case you still shouldn't be

[Martine Stewart]

here between 30 and 40. You still should, just not as much as under 30.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Oh, yeah. There still should be moments that activate you.

[Emily Chancellor]

Some of my favorite things is when Scott goes up to a young person and he gives them, like, either ors. Yeah, he's like Marauder Agnostic Front and then you give him an answer, he's like, okay. He's like.

[Scott Vogel]

He's just.

[Emily Chancellor]

He's, like, judging you somehow, but there's no wrong answer.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

You're doing good, Scott. The vocalisms, we got all. Yeah, you can go back and watch Scott's episode. We talked all about those vocalisms. You got to trademark some of those. Get. Get to work here.

[Scott Vogel]

I want to talk about David Wood gets some royalties on all those things.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Choink and Moyes.

[Emily Chancellor]

Weird names.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Yeah.

[Emily Chancellor]

Or weird words.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Let's talk about.

[Scott Vogel]

He's got a couple in his vocabulary.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

What do you got?

[Emily Chancellor]

What do you got?

[Scott Vogel]

No, he's. He's like, wrote me that.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Okay. You're choink. Yeah.

[Emily Chancellor]

You're moist.

[Scott Vogel]

You can choice people off.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

You're moist.

[Scott Vogel]

Yeah, I'd say so.

[Emily Chancellor]

Bok choy.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Is he finally.

[Emily Chancellor]

Oh, finally, dude.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Finally. Finally. Might have had the longest run. You literally are finally. All right, well, thank you, Tate.

[Scott Vogel]

Yeah, thank you, Tate.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

You did great. You didn't stand over there. Well, let's talk about. Let's talk about the cultural explosion of Keepers of the Faith and its impact on hardcore then and terror today. How do you reflect on this, this moment in time?

[Scott Vogel]

I mean, I think that was just like, a movement. More than. Just like, more than the music. Like, the logo, people getting tattoos of it before they even heard one song. Chad was really instrumental in the music, the lyrics, but also the movement. He had so many ideas, like doing the gang vocals at Chain Reaction, and,

[Martine Stewart]

like, that's still one of my favorite things that ever happened.

[Scott Vogel]

It's, like, genius. Such a great idea. And I think in the end, we didn't even use a lot of it.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

But, no, you turned them way down, and you were sitting right on top of them.

[Scott Vogel]

All those people felt like they were part. They were a part of it.

[Martine Stewart]

Yeah. Can we flash the photo of you two? Like, you look like you're over.

[Emily Chancellor]

We are, basically.

[Martine Stewart]

That's a good pick.

[Emily Chancellor]

You guys also had, like, give us a reason why you should be here, and you had to, like, email the answer. How strict were you guys actually with us?

[Scott Vogel]

Be here, like, being.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

You sent us an email to why you should be.

[Emily Chancellor]

Why you should be here.

[Martine Stewart]

I was reading most of those emails, and I think. I think we were just like, whatever.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Whoever responds.

[Martine Stewart]

Whoever. Whoever had the, like, the heart to want to respond to that. It's like, all right, come on. You know, like, that kind of thing. Yeah. But, yeah, there was no actual.

[Emily Chancellor]

A lot of. The place was pretty full.

[Martine Stewart]

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it definitely Was.

[Nick Jett]

Yeah, I mean, I think there was like, it was a moment in hardcore that everybody kind of felt like, I guess it made sense for everybody to come together at that moment. The timing, the bands that were happening at that time. There's like, obviously, you know, there's times where there's shifts in the movement. And I think that moment there was something happening and it coincided with, with the album and the message that, that the album had, so.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

But none of that happens if the record doesn't absolutely kick ass as well, which it does. I mean, you're still closing with the title track, Stick Tight.

[Emily Chancellor]

Stick Tight's one of the biggest songs.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

You played it live before you put it out. And I remember.

[Martine Stewart]

Oh, we did.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Yeah, you did.

[Martine Stewart]

Oh, that's crazy.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

We played it live, I think at Chain before the song was out. It was like the day before the song came out, we filmed the video

[Scott Vogel]

at and Fury, so.

[Martine Stewart]

Oh, so that makes sense. Yeah.

[Nick Jett]

I remember a thing where we did like a, a college radio interview where we like kind of played that song and it got ripped off the interview. People started listening to the song be. This is months before the album came out. So people knew the song, dude.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

And it circulated amongst my friends where we were like, yo, Terror has an all out war part. Because anything that goes Jin King Kink to me is, was to me that

[Nick Jett]

was like the first beat down on a Terror song. Because I typically wouldn't write something like that, but I, I, I remember thinking Trapped Under Ice was an influence on that song.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

That's awesome.

[Nick Jett]

And we toured with them so much at that time. And then that was like, oh, you can do a beat down. That's like taste. Yeah, that's not beat down. That's kind of hard and tasteful and in a different kind of way. And like that was the song.

[Martine Stewart]

Well, according to Wikipedia, Terror's a beat down band anyway.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

New York straight Edge beat down band.

[Emily Chancellor]

So it's got Tate. You know what I mean?

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Motherfucker. Okay. Yes, dude. Stick tight to this day. Set staple for sure. Great record. I remember also when Live by the Code came out pretty fast after. It was like a year or two maybe. And you were very much like, live by the Code. Fucking smokes this.

[Martine Stewart]

Let's go.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

And hearing like your. It was. Did you produce Live by the Code?

[Nick Jett]

No, Chad was still.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Really?

[Nick Jett]

Yeah, he was on that record I recorded.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Okay.

[Nick Jett]

Yeah.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

It sounds like a Nick recording. So it was like very much of the like, like what? Piece by piece sounded like sonically at the time.

[Emily Chancellor]

I was living With Nick when they were recording live by the Code. I remember before there was even any music, we were driving somewhere. He goes, you want to hear the new Terror record? I said, sure. And he just put on a bunch of voice memos. It was just like him voicing guitar.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Like, okay.

[Nick Jett]

I think, like, there's the hard lessons, the verse rhythm, and like, literally that was the voice like, oh, here's the song.

[Martine Stewart]

You still have that? God, I hope so.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Banger. Speaking of producing, let's talk about Tara reuniting with Todd for Pain Into Power. The process and. And the response from that record.

[Scott Vogel]

I don't know exactly whose idea it was. It was during the pandemic, and we were just all as free as. Do you remember how, like.

[Nick Jett]

Well, we started doing the garage cast, like, these little podcast recordings in Scott's garage, and Todd came to be a part of some of the early, earlier things. And that turned into us doing this live recording of old songs and. Which ultimately came out on.

[Martine Stewart]

On vinyl.

[Scott Vogel]

And it was like, Songs from Los Alone. Yeah.

[Nick Jett]

So during, like, the rehearsals of that, I think the idea came of let's try. Yeah, maybe there's a song that, you

[Emily Chancellor]

know, had you guys kept a good relationship with Todd until that point, or did they, like, fizzle away and then came back? How did that work out?

[Scott Vogel]

I think when he left, the, like, was out. There was. There was some time where we didn't. I didn't see him that much, and I was still living in la, but we were gone so much. I don't think I ever really had any issue with him, but I think it's just we were so close and then just. Maybe the word would be just like, weirdness. Like no one knew where anything stood. But I've never. Probably when we were the band, we had some arguments, but I've never really had an argument with him since then. I don't think people grow, you know,

[Host (possibly Brian)]

everybody grows and realizes why. You remember why he started this man in the first place and how good the fucking songs are.

[Scott Vogel]

I mean, he's a genius.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Genius.

[Scott Vogel]

Fucking psycho genius.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Amazing dude. And Pant Power is like, one of my favorite Terror records. Yeah, that's a good album.

[Scott Vogel]

9. It's a good one.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

That doesn't happen.

[Emily Chancellor]

I feel like every time a Terror record comes out, somebody probably in the God's hate group chat goes, well, they just added 10 years onto their career. Yeah, straight up.

[Scott Vogel]

Jesus Christ. I'm gonna be 60, brother.

[Emily Chancellor]

You're gonna be in your 70s.

[Martine Stewart]

The wheels, people can do it.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

The wheels Will fall off on stage.

[Emily Chancellor]

Scott, just so you know, one time you wrote a record or you wrote a lyric. What the. Did you ever give. I gave everything. That was 30 years ago.

[Scott Vogel]

That was true.

[Emily Chancellor]

So now you actually have given everything.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Nick, as the. As the OG Co songsmith with Todd, how. How was doing that record?

[Nick Jett]

I mean, to me, whenever I get to jam with Todd, there's like this. We click on certain things like. Like there'd be times when we were writing that record where we would play something. We come up an idea, all right, let's play it, verse, chorus, whatever. And then we would just stop in the middle of it and. And Todd would just start screaming.

[Scott Vogel]

Yeah, like, dude, the feeling so good. And.

[Nick Jett]

And like we kind of hit these moments together where we're like, we feel the same things at the same moment. And so that was. I remember it happening early on and when it was kind of happening again where we were writing Painted the Power, I was like, okay, this feels right and feels really good.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

My favorite part of writing a song is that.

[Martine Stewart]

That moment.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

There's 12 notes in all of music, you know, and we somehow find these unique combinations of them that somebody, some have done before specifically on purpose or have never been done before. And there's a moment when you crack that code that you live by where you're like, holy shit, I've done it. Are there songs on Pain to Power or One with the Underdogs or Live by the Code? You can remember specific parts that you remember, like scientifically crafting in the Moment that felt like an achievement. In real time.

[Nick Jett]

There's like a couple, like, like the song Always the Hard Way, which we still play that one. Like that song, like, is one of those. Where it was written in 10 minutes. Like there's certain things that just come together super smooth and easy. And so that was a song I remember. Like, whoa, this is a really cool song. And it was done in 10 minutes.

[Scott Vogel]

I love when that happens.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

It's a miracle.

[Emily Chancellor]

Was. Was having a Corpse Grinder on a song, was that a Todd thing or was that one of your guys ideas? How'd that come about?

[Scott Vogel]

The crazy thing is before that I was trying to get Milo from the Descendants. So not on that song.

[Emily Chancellor]

Much different.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

It's my.

[Scott Vogel]

I was trying like I was reaching out to Bill Stevenson and it. I don't know, it. It never went anywhere. And I think Todd had the idea to get Corpse Grinder. Does that sound right?

[Martine Stewart]

I don't remember. Was it? Yeah.

[Emily Chancellor]

Two iconic bands just making a perfect song.

[Scott Vogel]

What if we could have got those two together on

[Host (possibly Brian)]

album 11 is just around the corner. All right, well, that brings us to today for Tara's newest and 10th album, Still Suffer, recorded at the Pit with my brother Taylor. So I say this is a perfect time. Let's head on over to the Pit and talk about it.

[Emily Chancellor]

Let's do it.

[Scott Vogel]

Boom.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

We'll see you there. Let me talk to Sergio real quick. This is Sergio, our beloved, the. The mayor of the 818, along with Aldo, the mayor of 818, hardcore owner, proprietor of Midnight Hour. He's the man. He's keeping it alive. We love him so much. Appreciate you guys. Thanks for having us.

[Emily Chancellor]

Thank you.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Come to Midnight Hour. Here we are. We're back. Now we're at the Pit recording studio where Terror just recorded their newest album, Still Suffer. Or to give it a classic forward Terror album title, Terror does it again. Let's talk about Still Suffering. Where do we begin here? How does this process start?

[Nick Jett]

Desert, ultimately.

[Scott Vogel]

In the desert, maybe.

[Nick Jett]

Yeah. I mean, ultimately, I think we had to, like, dedicate time to actually sit down and write.

[Scott Vogel]

That was actually really nice too.

[Nick Jett]

We had this idea of going to a house or a place where we could all get together and write together, and we ended up in the fucking desert.

[Emily Chancellor]

Which part of the desert?

[Host (possibly Brian)]

What's it called?

[Nick Jett]

Like, Yucca Valley is a town, but it's near Palm Springs, kind of.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Okay.

[Nick Jett]

And somehow let us jam, playing the full volume in this house with neighbors.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

And who was there for this process?

[Scott Vogel]

It was different in incarnations.

[Emily Chancellor]

Would you go on a spirit quest in the desert?

[Scott Vogel]

Honestly, we were just. Before we started, we were talking about Knock Loose. I think I saw Knock Loose do this, and they. They. I believe they jammed in the desert. I think I went to Vitalo and said this. We don't have Knock Loose money, but could we make this work? And he said, we will. We can. So we just rented a house in the desert. It was nice because it had a kitchen, a hot tub, and we went there a couple different times, like a week at a time or something. And Todd drove out there, like, every other day. For him, it was like an hour drive from Corona. So, yeah, we.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

We.

[Scott Vogel]

We would go out. I would fly in. Nick would fly in and just meet up there and try to make songs. And it was really painless. It was actually, you know, like, getting in a rehearsal space and trying to force out songs can be the worst thing.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

It never. I would. I say it never works.

[Scott Vogel]

Yeah, this. This was kind of easy. Yeah.

[Nick Jett]

I think the first one was like, let's just see if this is gonna work. And we got so much work done the first time. Like, we're like, oh, I think we had five songs semi complete in the first, you know, week or so. So we're like, okay, we can do it.

[Scott Vogel]

And Nick had his laptop with microphones so we could demo things. And then we're demoing vocals and his

[Emily Chancellor]

voice notes on his phone.

[Scott Vogel]

I got a lot of voice notes too. I couldn't imagine what they sound like, but it was pretty easy. It was pretty nice.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Nick, is it ever a challenge for you to like, let the song escape and not keep marinating on it and working on it and working on it and working on it.

[Martine Stewart]

Speaking from experience, I felt the hurt.

[Scott Vogel]

Or what about when my brain comes in and I start switching things around? That's got to be.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

I mean, that is an absolute nightmare.

[Scott Vogel]

Yeah, that's gotta be tough.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

You're a nightmare.

[Scott Vogel]

I'm always right, though. I'm always right.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Sure.

[Scott Vogel]

Because my brain goes to. If people don't mosh to this, there's no reason to do it.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Sure. Right.

[Scott Vogel]

That's the only thing.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

And I do think that is fair. But there's. It is the longevity here comes from like. There's like a lack of fear and just making and. And getting it done and not sitting on it.

[Nick Jett]

Yeah. I mean, certain songs, they get done like, okay, this is it. And then other ones kind of like, how did we change? You know, the. The transitions or this isn't quite right. Then there's 20 iterations of a song. I think there's a little bit of both of that on Still Suffer.

[Martine Stewart]

But watching the clash of those things happen is. Is crazy.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Who is the class often between.

[Martine Stewart]

I wouldn't say often, but I like. One of the most noticeable clashes are when it's with Jordan because he's. He's like.

[Scott Vogel]

He's Lego.

[Nick Jett]

Yeah. He can break his brain.

[Martine Stewart]

Kind of like. Yeah, kind of like he's an emotional. Rattles in a bit.

[Nick Jett]

He might get like the demoitis thing where like I demoed this thing and it's. It. This was the inspiration. Then it's hard for him to like, get out. Get out of that. And you know, because we might hear something Jordan wrote and be like, okay, this is cool, but we want to do something completely different than the rest of the song.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

And the whole band is unanimous in that.

[Scott Vogel]

Or it's just like keep the chorus and everything else goes in the garbage. You can just see him even if he doesn't say it. I get it.

[Emily Chancellor]

Like, he.

[Scott Vogel]

He writes, I'm sure maybe like, with no warning. He wrote songs start to finish. And I would feel the same way if I had something. You're like, most of this is bad, but this part's good.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Yeah, no, it's hard to hear, but there is. It is the. The thing that I learned from this show is the, like, better is better aspect of writing is so important that, like, the whole band is sitting there going, hey, we all feel this rocks. You cannot have an emotional attachment to something that's just not going to work.

[Martine Stewart]

True.

[Emily Chancellor]

Again, speaking from experience, for sure.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Speaking from experience. Painful, long experience.

[Emily Chancellor]

I will say you've gotten much better at it, though. Sending the song and be like, which version's better? You guys vote is much better than you. Just.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Yeah, but, dude, I said I would send three versions and then I sent two, and by two I was like, I'm not doing three. This is the one.

[Emily Chancellor]

But, you know, you worked it out.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Yeah, yeah, we're getting there. Coming soon. So when was I lock you in

[Emily Chancellor]

a room in the desert.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Yeah, listen, I'm open to it. When was the decision made to bring Taylor into the flag to engineering?

[Martine Stewart]

I feel like it was pretty early on. That was like a discussion right away. It was like he was, I think,

[Scott Vogel]

right away throwing in the.

[Martine Stewart]

Throwing in the hat of, like, this would be awesome. And then there was other. It was always like multiple possibilities. Right.

[Scott Vogel]

And I think right away.

[Martine Stewart]

Or was it just, like, straight up?

[Host (possibly Brian)]

For sure.

[Nick Jett]

Yeah.

[Scott Vogel]

I think the only thing was had to make sure him and Todd were in a good place because it didn't know exactly what the relationship was.

[Martine Stewart]

But that's true.

[Scott Vogel]

I think. I think both of them, like, we're in a good place.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

They will both always be one of us in a way. And it's nice having. It's got to be nice. I mean, I can speak from experience, having an engineer who has, like, studied your discography academically in a way, and as a fan, knows and understands what people want from a Terror record to help go.

[Scott Vogel]

And he was like, going above and beyond, like, oh, analyzing everything.

[Martine Stewart]

And yeah, it was awesome.

[Emily Chancellor]

There's awesome times where I've had to be like, Taylor, you're not the producer for this band. Like you. They're not paying you to be the producer. He's like, but this is what they need to sound like. You're probably making it for the best, so.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Yeah, exactly.

[Martine Stewart]

Yeah.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

And then a riff gets through and then you never know.

[Martine Stewart]

It's perfect.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

So only one song was done to a click track.

[Nick Jett]

There's a couple parts, I think there's like one of Jordan's. The what. What is the. The intro that we're playing. The name of that song.

[Martine Stewart]

The first. The first song on the record.

[Scott Vogel]

A Deeper Struggle.

[Nick Jett]

I didn't know the deeper struggle intro. Like the intro and the outro. Because Jordan was like.

[Scott Vogel]

Yeah, he was crazy.

[Nick Jett]

He was so crazy about the tempo. I was like, then just put the click track on. What's the tempo on your computer, whatever. And so that's why we did that to a click, just to like get Jordan's tempo exactly how he wanted. The one song that's like kind of tricky to play and there's variations. We didn't want the variations in the tempo to be super noticeable. Was the Fear the Panic song because it's. There's like a fast part and then the drops down. Then there's a real slow part and that. So that one was kind of. That one is completely on a clip.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

And then you got Chuck Reagan on that song. So I'm sure he's used to a click. That's your guy, right?

[Scott Vogel]

When you said it, I just started smiling. That is amazing.

[Martine Stewart]

Finally.

[Scott Vogel]

He was so cool when we did. We did that with him in Buffalo at the. The place. I did the vocals and he was just. The power. It was a whole long story. The power in the studio went out and he just didn't give a fuck about anything. He. He's the best.

[Nick Jett]

Yeah. We were in like, the studio has like an SSL console and they had it all set up and then the power went out and we ended up just recording on a laptop with like a USB interface thing in the dark.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Scarlet.

[Nick Jett]

Yeah, something like that. But he was like, you know, roll with the punches. Totally cool with it and turned out awesome.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

This record also features this man, Mr. Brody King. Finally one ambassador.

[Scott Vogel]

He is finally number one.

[Emily Chancellor]

And two, me and Dan Seeley.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

That's right. How was that?

[Emily Chancellor]

It was. I mean, you know, Tara is my favorite band, period. Been going to terror shows for 22 years.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

You've been getting arrested.

[Emily Chancellor]

Adam Getting arrested.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Adam.

[Emily Chancellor]

And I know Dan's the same way. You know, we were often called East Coast Nate, West Coast Dan type. So for both of us to be on the same song was. Was a huge honor and accomplish accomplishment. So thank you.

[Scott Vogel]

Right back at you.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

And it closes the record.

[Emily Chancellor]

Yeah.

[Scott Vogel]

And Jay from Mind Force, who also supplied us with two beats. Hip hop beats.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Right.

[Scott Vogel]

So he. He did a lot too.

[Emily Chancellor]

When. When you're going into a new record. Do you have an idea of like who you want on it? Like, I know you told. You told me and Dan forever like you're on the next record. But like, do you have like these people need to be on it? No.

[Scott Vogel]

And on this one I just wanted you guys and. And on the same song, but other things. It's kind of just like. I don't want to say last minute, but when we have the songs, kind of think about it.

[Emily Chancellor]

He had the two strayed guys yelling about alcoholism.

[Scott Vogel]

No, that's getting passed out. I needed. I needed my. I needed some backup.

[Emily Chancellor]

Where's backup?

[Host (possibly Brian)]

You did drums at 606. How's that sick ass room?

[Nick Jett]

It's cool. I mean, I think the room is like modeled after the original large room at Sound City or Studio A at Sound City. And it's the same exact studio.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Right, Taylor? I think something. The Sweden. The ABBA studio in Sweden.

[Scott Vogel]

Oh, the band was like the other

[Host (possibly Brian)]

inspiration for the build.

[Nick Jett]

Yeah, yeah. Well, ultimately it's the same neve console that was in Sound City.

[Martine Stewart]

Do you think people will know what you're even talking about?

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Studio 607. Yeah, but we've talked about it on here.

[Martine Stewart]

Okay, so you are aware it's a pretty big thing.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Foo Fighter secret studio in the Valley. That is like an invite only.

[Scott Vogel]

How many days were there? Two days.

[Nick Jett]

Like two or three. Yeah, I think two.

[Scott Vogel]

It's crazy.

[Emily Chancellor]

Is that the one with the echo chamber room?

[Host (possibly Brian)]

No, that Sound City.

[Emily Chancellor]

Oh.

[Scott Vogel]

I'm not saying Nick's ever done, but I all just hate when drummers are done in two days and I'm just waiting and I'm like, is my voice going to last? How am I going to get through this? I hate.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Well, you want drums to take longer?

[Scott Vogel]

No, I just am jealous.

[Emily Chancellor]

How long does it take you to do vocals? Do you kind of rip it all at once or.

[Scott Vogel]

Oh, I do it now. One song. One or two? I think on this record I did one song a day. So I did them in Buffalo and I would just go and do one song and go home and. And my voice kind of blew out on this because we did like a tour and at the Sound and Fury Terror Surprise set, I blew my voice out really bad. And I was supposed to do the vocals right after that. And I went and started doing them and it just sounded weak. So we. I scrapped it. Waited like maybe three weeks and started over.

[Emily Chancellor]

First take grit. You get the best songs.

[Scott Vogel]

I'm used to like starting and thinking it's gonna kick in like two days where I really. Two, three days where I really like it. And then scrapping the first songs and starting over. But it was just bad. It was just weak.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

How was that for you? Did you feel like it was the spiritual continuation of doing drums for one

[Nick Jett]

with the Underdogs being at that studio? Yeah, yeah. I mean it was kind of. You know, there's all these similarities. Todd's. There were, you know, on the same console. Yeah. So that was cool.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Pretty cool.

[Emily Chancellor]

I have a question that I guess is kind of rumor esque. Bo esque. When you recorded one with the Underdogs, did you have some like, weird. Didn't you use like a trash can lid or something? Like didn't you like experiment with some

[Nick Jett]

stuff that's on the damn the shame.

[Emily Chancellor]

The Damn the sh.

[Martine Stewart]

Yeah.

[Nick Jett]

And it was influenced by the. The Beowulf record because they have this like percussion type thing on one of the fast songs. So we. I think Rise of the Poison Youth song. We like kind of ripped that and used a trash can lid to do some like percussion on top of the drums on that song.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Speaking of trash can lid, is your China on one with the Underdogs? The brokenest fucking thing.

[Nick Jett]

I don't know what I use.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Dude. It's wild. I love it that it's. It sounds insane, but it sounds insane.

[Nick Jett]

I could have been playing on at that point. All Broken Siblings. Oh, I remember even on low so low I had the cheapest high. I have those like the Sabian B8 are on lowest to low.

[Emily Chancellor]

Wow.

[Nick Jett]

They sound pretty good like. And just a weird little thing on lowest to low.

[Martine Stewart]

The.

[Nick Jett]

I got a snare drum head. I don't even remember what I got. But we put it on, recorded one song and it was destroyed. And so we put the old beat up up head back on and recorded the whole rest of the song. So there's one song on low so low. I think it's another face that has the fresh head. Perfect fresh that got destroyed. And then the. All the other songs are like this beat up snare head.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Can you hear that in the record?

[Nick Jett]

You can hear it. If you go back and listen, you could say, oh, this it. The another face is like brighter sounding. Like the snare sounds totally different.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Scott, I heard you fell in love with Oliver at 606. He's incredible.

[Scott Vogel]

So much so that I can't fully remember, but I do remember this happening.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

He's a good.

[Scott Vogel]

Trying to get it together. But I was having. This was before I didn't have to do anything. I was. I knew I was going to track vocals in like two months, so I was just hanging.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

You just found your tottenham.

[Emily Chancellor]

Is this a common occurrence with you? Like do you start a tour and you find the guy and you're. This is. This is who I'm gonna like for him.

[Martine Stewart]

Yes. Yeah.

[Scott Vogel]

But it's been a while. It's been a while.

[Emily Chancellor]

Tate was your newest starts at all.

[Scott Vogel]

The start today.

[Martine Stewart]

There's been some funny ones in the past. Like, like dudes from Chimera and stuff that it's just like really

[Emily Chancellor]

like they see you coming, they go the other way.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Like, who's your favorite guy? Scott Tate.

[Scott Vogel]

He's cool.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Okay. Understood. All right. So 10 albums is like I need to stress unheard of what a fucking feat it is that they're still good and like that you're still evolving while maintaining the Terror identity. Is there is restraint a thing you have to think about when writing songs? Like, what isn't Terror writing wise?

[Nick Jett]

I think. Yeah. I don't know. Ultimately, I think there's some guardrails that we put up that, you know, we try maybe try to push that a little bit and then it ends up getting brought back to this thing that's always Terror. So I think that's kind of always there, but, you know, not super intentional.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Sure.

[Scott Vogel]

I feel like I'm. I might be the guardrail sometimes. It can also be so simple as like if someone writes something just the way they strum it or just changing one note can make things so much different. So I think like I'm like, everything's awesome, but could you try just like a harder note here or like strum it a little differently and then I love.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Yeah.

[Martine Stewart]

It's funny hearing the way it's described. Like you'll say stuff like it sounds too happy or something like that. You know, it's like, do it like this. But there's. He doesn't have the. The words.

[Scott Vogel]

I don't have one of us.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

It's a non musical brain. But it's a. But it's. It's the feel Hardcore only.

[Scott Vogel]

I know.

[Emily Chancellor]

I know how you feel. I have the same brain.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Yeah.

[Scott Vogel]

It's the feel.

[Emily Chancellor]

I don't know how to play anything. But I can tell you what else.

[Martine Stewart]

Like singers man,

[Host (possibly Brian)]

still suffer. The title track in the like context of the Terror set list now feels like it's always been there. Does that make sense?

[Scott Vogel]

Going off. It's great.

[Martine Stewart]

That's like my favorite Terror song in. In a long time. It's like something about playing it is so fun and just. It has a vibe to it that's. Yeah. It's just. It's weird saying. But it's really good.

[Emily Chancellor]

This is a really good song. Speaking of the set list, are there like non negotiables? Like, these tracks have to be on

[Martine Stewart]

the set list at this point? There's a few.

[Scott Vogel]

I don't think we ever talk about it. We just all know there's. There's like. Like seven songs that we just play. Like, why wouldn't we. Like, our whole goal is to make the crowd go off. So why would you keep that off the set?

[Emily Chancellor]

I will say last night, Colin, I were both going through the tarot discography and it's like every record it was just like, Jesus. Like they. You could plug and play these songs that, you know, like Push It Away. Like you guys haven't played that a long time. You could easily throw that on. Easily.

[Scott Vogel]

That's.

[Emily Chancellor]

And like there's so many songs on every record.

[Scott Vogel]

Early first couple Years of Terror. Push It Away was like the song now we haven't played it in.

[Martine Stewart]

I remember those days, watching those.

[Scott Vogel]

Yeah.

[Emily Chancellor]

Not this time.

[Martine Stewart]

Oh my God.

[Emily Chancellor]

Not like. Was that just like a. I know for a minute there was like. Almost like things get popped off too hard when. Not this time. When you play.

[Martine Stewart]

It would be.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

It was banned.

[Martine Stewart]

I mean it should have been. But it.

[Emily Chancellor]

We.

[Scott Vogel]

We've pulled that out a couple times.

[Martine Stewart]

It's not the same as it used to be. You know, it's like every now and then it'll just like. If the right moshers are in the room.

[Emily Chancellor]

I know. Colin said like hard lessons. Hard song.

[Martine Stewart]

Yeah. Yeah. That's pretty. Pretty staple.

[Scott Vogel]

Yeah. That's been. That was a song that I tried to bury for a long time and people wanted to play it like. And now I just accepted that it's a good song to play and people like it. The lyrics are great. I love the lyrics.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

In terms of like the actual writing split regularly, is it. Or would you say Nick. It's kind of mostly you doing it.

[Nick Jett]

It's kind of varied over the last couple records. I think. Like, I don't think I wrote much riff wise on Pain Into Power. I think it was a lot of. A lot of Todd and. And Jordan and even Chris wrote some riffs on that. And then this, the latest still suffer. I kind of came back into it riff wise. A little bit more than the last one. But in the past there's records where 100 of the riffs you Know, were the things that I wrote. But yeah, I think it's. Each record kind of shifts a little bit or just depending on where we're at with it.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

I gotcha. What advice do you guys have for bands trying to do this for the long haul and maintain a terror like consistency?

[Emily Chancellor]

I don't know. That's possible.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Maybe not just musically, maybe personally. Maybe just don't be a fucking asshole, you know?

[Martine Stewart]

Yeah, just actually good one. Do it for the right reason, you know, care. And don't do it because, you know, the classic stuff like looking for fame or money or anything like that, you know, no one's really getting that. But yeah, I feel like if you just. If you enjoy doing this and you actually have a love for it, yeah, it's just going to happen.

[Nick Jett]

I think there was a handful of moments where we could have given up or we even contemplated, like, do we still want to do this or is. Should we still do this? And I don't know. I think we just. We always kind of came back to like, yeah, we want to be here. We want to play hardcore shows. And so we just persisted through all those moments and came out on the other end.

[Scott Vogel]

I think I got some advice from me showing off that you can play your instrument does not matter, right? That's the song and the way the song and the lyrics and the energy come together. So sometimes less is more. In my mind.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Great playing ain't right.

[Emily Chancellor]

I often say that Terror is the most important hardcore band ever due to the fact that the career longevity, obviously what you guys put out there and how, you know, you guys have always been Terror through and through. You've never tried to do other things. You never tried to be bigger than, you know you were. You've just. You've become big because you stay true to who you were and because you guys have always taken out hardcore bands. You guys have taken out bands like Start today or like us, you know. You know? Yeah, exactly. Doing stuff that almost nobody else would do is you take these smaller bands out and you give them a platform to really jump off of. Like, you know, I don't think we would have bands like Backtrack and, you know, all these other bigger hardcore bands. If bands like Knock Loose, you guys took out and kind of put over. And you guys have never been afraid to be like, this is the next band and really boost them over you guys at certain points. And you've never been like. You've never had an ego about playing under anybody. And I think that's massively Important.

[Scott Vogel]

Thank you.

[Martine Stewart]

Yeah. I don't know, it's kind of crazy thinking about like having an issue with playing before someone. Like, I don't know.

[Scott Vogel]

I'll play before anybody.

[Martine Stewart]

Yeah. Get it done quick.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Get me home earlier.

[Martine Stewart]

Yeah. Scott actually have a question matter what.

[Emily Chancellor]

And I know that it, it. Maybe current Terror fans wouldn't know this, but there was like a five year point where you never showed your arms during a set. You wore a sweatshirt every. It became lore that you had a born to expire back piece. And then one day you just didn't lower back.

[Scott Vogel]

It was more long sleeves. I don't. I have no idea.

[Emily Chancellor]

You just. That's just how it was.

[Scott Vogel]

I just loved wearing long sleeves on stage.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Shorts and long sleeves.

[Scott Vogel]

I still like right now, shorts and like a hoodie or something. That's my favorite way to dress. I think at a certain point though, I had like. At a certain point I had so much energy that it couldn't stop me. At a certain point I was like, dude, you're sweating way too much. You gotta free yourself.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Will you do this until the wheels fall off?

[Scott Vogel]

I mean, I think we gotta say yeah.

[Emily Chancellor]

At this point. I need you to.

[Scott Vogel]

I always say in my head, it's not like we have these discussions, but if the shows dip and the energy's gone and we're not having fun, that's when it'll stop. Like, I mean, we're so lucky right now. We just did like a seven week tour and like 90 of the shows were like really good. So, like, why would we stop at this point? So we need everyone to stop caring, stop coming to the shows and we'll go away. We will go away.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Once you're at back surgery number six maybe. But back number five is holding up. Just. What?

[Emily Chancellor]

Please stop jumping on Scott.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Please.

[Scott Vogel]

Yeah, please, please stop elbowing me in the ribs. That's the new thing.

[Martine Stewart]

Oh, man.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Yeah. You got any live pet peeves lately?

[Martine Stewart]

Oh, man.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Show going pet peeves. This one where they come with you and do that while you're doing that. Yeah.

[Martine Stewart]

Usually it's like a lack of self awareness.

[Emily Chancellor]

It's kind of smashing the mic.

[Nick Jett]

Jordan probably has a lot. He gets angry. He gets angry.

[Scott Vogel]

I've realized that I beg everyone to go as crazy as possible and please come on the stage and please take the microphone so a drunk me would get mad. Now I'm like, you asked myself like, shut the up. You begged it for this to happen.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Yeah.

[Emily Chancellor]

So which member of Terror, past or present, has had the most stage rage Is it David Wood?

[Scott Vogel]

He's pretty good.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

I don't know if you.

[Martine Stewart]

Yeah, it's definitely David Wood.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

He.

[Martine Stewart]

Yeah, it's. It's the best with him, too, because he's like, front facing. He's the nicest, most joyful person ever. And he has a switch.

[Emily Chancellor]

Grab him from behind.

[Martine Stewart]

People don't often see that is like. It's brutal. Yeah, he's a. He's a brutal guy.

[Emily Chancellor]

He's flipping you over the shoulder right on your back.

[Martine Stewart]

I've seen. I've seen a base get swung and crack someone before, you know, he. Yeah, but it's always like. I understand. It's always something that's like, why did that person do that? Like, why would you just get on stage and, like, grab the headstock of a man?

[Host (possibly Brian)]

I mean, that's.

[Martine Stewart]

And just like, knock it out of tune and everything. It's like, get on stage, but, like,

[Emily Chancellor]

just get the fuck off. There's an easy.

[Martine Stewart]

Yeah, there's. Like you said, it's like, yeah, we call people to get up there, but once you're up there, you don't have to, like, lose every brain cell. Do the dumbest thing you could possibly do.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Yeah. So go bananas and jump off the stage. All right, so since I've got one last question. You got anything before I do? My final question.

[Emily Chancellor]

Don't hit it.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

All right, so I've already asked everybody here their four favorite hardcore records. So I can't end with that. So we got to get creative here. And I want to know, amongst this crowd, everybody's four hardest mosh parts of all time.

[Martine Stewart]

Who wants to go first?

[Scott Vogel]

I can. Because I will not lie. This was premeditated that this question was going to be asked.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

I don't want to surprise anybody, you know?

[Scott Vogel]

All right, so I'm just going to rip through this. My number one, is it beholder of justice, or is it smash your enemies? Like, opening with that riff? How is that possible?

[Martine Stewart]

It is pretty nuts.

[Scott Vogel]

So that's number one. I'm leaving the question with a question number two, like, literally, the band all out war. It's like, insane. It's insane. Like, they just have mosh parts as choruses all the time.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

And I would say, I would call them maybe the second most consistent band,

[Scott Vogel]

the Mosh, that they have. Okay. I wrote these in my phone. Number three. Marauder besieged the masses. The key change that the whole thing is just perfect.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Creator. Creator.

[Emily Chancellor]

Yeah.

[Scott Vogel]

And then.

[Martine Stewart]

Yes.

[Emily Chancellor]

Understand how I feel, Dude, I want this man to die.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

I need this man to die.

[Emily Chancellor]

It fills me.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Yeah.

[Scott Vogel]

And then the last. I didn't. You could go cold as life. Stigmata dying. Breed more hard shit. But I wanted to go something different, so I came up with Judge. Fed up.

[Nick Jett]

Love it.

[Scott Vogel]

Insane.

[Emily Chancellor]

Love it good.

[Scott Vogel]

And the way he goes. I'm just. It's insane. So that's my.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

The existence of Judge being this is too hard to be youth of today makes it inherently hard as shit.

[Scott Vogel]

Meaning.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Yeah, dude. It's very cool.

[Scott Vogel]

Conviction and zero tolerance, though, are our runner ups. What are you called?

[Martine Stewart]

Yeah.

[Emily Chancellor]

Honorable.

[Scott Vogel]

Honorable mention. Because for me, a band covered those right now with the rib. I don't know if I could just stay stand still.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

That's fair.

[Emily Chancellor]

I've seen you be. Taken over.

[Scott Vogel]

It happens. It happens Less. Less now. It happened before.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Oh, yeah, dude. World collapse. That was awesome.

[Scott Vogel]

Taking over.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

That's up there. We'll get there in a second, Nick.

[Nick Jett]

Yeah. I picked some that were, like, songs that I'd moshed to, and that kind of came out after I was already super involved. So I picked Striking Distance Fail Me and then down to Nothing My Disguise, which might be the last song that actually moshed to that. I got started getting punched in the back of the head. I turned around after I was moshing. I turned around and it was. It was a girl. And I was like. I was like, I'm out of here.

[Martine Stewart]

Never again.

[Nick Jett]

Yeah. And then I pick Take offense. No Tomorrow. Just because. Not necessarily like that Breakdown particular, but

[Emily Chancellor]

that's, like, got tattooed on my wrist.

[Nick Jett]

It's kind of like the climax of that whole record is like, that break the breakdown on the end of that song.

[Scott Vogel]

No.

[Nick Jett]

And then I picked off my chest just because I wasn't in the band when it was written.

[Emily Chancellor]

Hard ass Breakdown.

[Nick Jett]

Super important to me.

[Martine Stewart]

I did the same thing. I chose stuff that was less objective because some stuff is just, like, objectively the hardest ever, you know? And so I tried to go with, like, add more connection to me. Like, my memories of, like, jumping in the pit and stuff. And, like, one of those is 18 Visions from the first EP, the song Life's Blood. And just. I have so many memories of just like my brother and I just, like, ruining the show. Everyone around us, but, like, becoming the

[Emily Chancellor]

boogeyman of Southern California.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Dude, Dre is the reason I like. It was like, I guess I can't have fun.

[Emily Chancellor]

You see that drunken glaze and you're just like, he's not gonna stop.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Yeah.

[Martine Stewart]

Those early, like, early 18 vision shows, like late 90s and stuff like that. Yeah. There was Like, a lot of. There's a lot of pits on that record.

[Scott Vogel]

I can back Martin on this for anyone that's saying 18 visions because I broke my hand Moshing Dating visions. I don't know. I don't know the songs like that,

[Martine Stewart]

but, yeah, the first. Not first ep. It's like one of my favorite records. Anyways. Yeah. That Canderia faction, which. You know, there's probably about four breakdowns in that song.

[Emily Chancellor]

You're a big cand.

[Martine Stewart]

Yes. Yes, I am. But the last. Specifically the last breakdown of that song is, like, nuts. And the way he. The way he, like, kind of raps over it or whatever you want to call it is nuts. Oh, Earth crisis.

[Scott Vogel]

Hell, yeah.

[Martine Stewart]

But I was going back and forth. It was either the ending of the song Asphyxiate, you know? Like, I don't know if you know. I don't know if you're familiar with that song. It's kind of like a deeper cut on. On Destroy the Machines. All about smoking cigarettes. But lyrics are hard. The last breakdown in the song is insane. It was either that or more Season ends. But not. Not the straight edge breakdown, but the breakdown in the middle of the song. My God, it's crazy. And then it picks up.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

That's why you're honorary

[Martine Stewart]

then, for disembodied bloodshed. Rain like one. It's like one of the most dramatic buildups, you know.

[Emily Chancellor]

I watch you whoop ass in Tim's.

[Martine Stewart]

Oh, yeah, that's right. Rain fest. When I was in Tacoma.

[Nick Jett]

Yeah.

[Martine Stewart]

Might have been one of the last times I was like, actually, you had.

[Emily Chancellor]

You had braids.

[Martine Stewart]

They were fake. They were Brahmas from Walmart. 20 bucks sucks.

[Emily Chancellor]

Yeah.

[Martine Stewart]

That's so crazy. I had my hair braided back then and stuff. But, yeah, that, like, build up and then, like, it's like a common thing now, you know, you cut the music and there's one big vocal thing, and it's like they mastered that, you know, at that point. And it's. Then it's just the hardest thing ever. And my runner up was gonna be. It's so objective. But confide in no one. Hate brief. It's just, like, insane. Like, that last breakdown is so sick. And then it breaks down even harder a second time. But then arguably the fast rift before that. We were talking about it earlier. It's like somehow people don't think of fast riffs as hard, you know, that's like the breakdown is the hard rift. But, like, that fast, slow part right before the last breakdown is like, that Gets me.

[Emily Chancellor]

That's why the last breakdown is hard.

[Martine Stewart]

Yeah.

[Emily Chancellor]

Oh, my God.

[Martine Stewart]

It gets me. You, like, know what's coming after, too, and just the way that the pace they played it at is so perfect, and it's just, like, gets me fired up. Yeah. So those are mine.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Why don't you go next?

[Emily Chancellor]

So I kind of did exactly the same thing you guys did. What song would, like, teleport me? And this is in no order. My honorable mention is kickback no Surrender. Because it literally just happened, like, that started playing, and I was just like, caveman, like, for saying. Yeah. I was pinning on the stage and I was pinning in the crowd. So no, in no order. Confide in. No one was on my list.

[Martine Stewart]

Oh, really good.

[Emily Chancellor]

Specifically for the reason you said the fast part going into it.

[Martine Stewart]

I hope there's someone, like, that watches this that hasn't, like, really paid attention to that song or heard it yet, and they're just, like, blown away.

[Emily Chancellor]

When Hard had the hardest breakdowns of all time. I said confided.

[Martine Stewart]

Yeah.

[Emily Chancellor]

God, it's unbelievable.

[Martine Stewart]

Yeah.

[Nick Jett]

Yeah.

[Emily Chancellor]

Hunter Demons. Hard Surprise.

[Martine Stewart]

Okay.

[Emily Chancellor]

It comes out of nowhere, and it whoops your ass.

[Martine Stewart]

Yeah. God. Every. They. Almost every 100 demon song, something like that.

[Emily Chancellor]

It was a real tie up, like, infected and Hard Surprise.

[Martine Stewart]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Emily Chancellor]

Are like neck and neck, but Hard Surprise just comes out of nowhere, and it's just. It's so good. Trapped under ice, Jail.

[Martine Stewart]

Oh, okay. Yeah.

[Emily Chancellor]

I mean, there's a lot of trapped under eye songs that could be on it, but Jail is just ass beater the whole time for a minute and 30 seconds.

[Martine Stewart]

Am I crazy? Didn't little Zach coin the name of that song jail? Because before they had lyrics or anything written for it and he heard the track, it was like, someone's gonna go to jail during this song. Because I feel like that. I don't know, maybe I'm, like, totally making that up, but we got to try to confirm that. I. I believe that's.

[Emily Chancellor]

That's the unbelievable full breakdown part.

[Martine Stewart]

Yeah.

[Emily Chancellor]

And I would say my number one is King nine. No dreams.

[Nick Jett]

Oh, yeah.

[Martine Stewart]

Yeah.

[Emily Chancellor]

It makes me feel homicidal.

[Martine Stewart]

That's the last time I was actually in a mosh pit.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Was no dream.

[Martine Stewart]

Was their record release show that for Scared to Death in On Long island. And I, like, hurt someone, hurt myself, fell down.

[Emily Chancellor]

And it's all on video. It's awesome.

[Martine Stewart]

Okay. Right.

[Emily Chancellor]

Whatever. Whatever it is about the first. And then the brotherhood denies.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Yeah.

[Martine Stewart]

Lyrically, too, it's just like, man, it just gets you fired up.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

That's a good answer.

[Emily Chancellor]

Yeah.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

I can't use that.

[Emily Chancellor]

That's my number one.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

All right, so I've answered this just about 50 times on this show, but I've never done it from this perspective

[Emily Chancellor]

of what's going to teleport you into the pit. This is good because everyone.

[Nick Jett]

This is.

[Emily Chancellor]

Throws the blood.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Is the hardest breakdown of all time.

[Emily Chancellor]

What is it?

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Suffocation Throws blood. Crowbar to carry the load. Those are the two hearts. Yeah. There's some dying Venus part in terms of consistent moshability from me. Disgrace conquered.

[Emily Chancellor]

Good one Tui.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Too true.

[Emily Chancellor]

Good one.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

What I did to some Norwegians song is legit illegal.

[Emily Chancellor]

It's a thing of legend there.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

It might be. You're probably of this death threat. Never again.

[Martine Stewart]

Yes.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Cuz it's like so out of character for the record and it feels so good when it comes and harm's way. Breeding grounds.

[Emily Chancellor]

Yeah, that's the one. I mean the death threat. Dead at Birth. When. I mean anytime it gets played, it's

[Host (possibly Brian)]

like if you guys play it, I'm.

[Martine Stewart]

It's like the. The epitome of what I. I would. Well, I would of us want a hardcore song.

[Emily Chancellor]

The thing that sticks out to me is when you guys covered it at Sound and Fury and it was like everyone that was on stage was just in the crowd. Yeah.

[Martine Stewart]

And like it makes you emotional. I was like actually tearing up like just because like the lyrics are so, you know, like relatable. It's like the way it's like that man just crafted, dude.

[Scott Vogel]

You know.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

You know the thing where it's like you a guy who's seen 10 movies. Steven Spielberg is the best director.

[Martine Stewart]

Yeah.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Guy who's seen 100 movies. Kurosawa is the best director. Guy who's seen a thousand movies. Spielberg is the best director. That is Dead at Birth. Like guy who's heard 10 hardcore songs. Dead at Birth is the best song ever.

[Martine Stewart]

Yeah.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Guys heard 100 straight edge is. But we've heard a thousand. We've heard a million songs.

[Martine Stewart]

Yeah. And it's back.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Dead at Birth is the epitome.

[Emily Chancellor]

Is the hardcore song.

[Martine Stewart]

Yeah, I agree. It's like just universal anthem. Yeah.

[Nick Jett]

I mean for Terror they were like the band that really, you know, they took us out, you know, multiple times at the beginning. And they were the band that we moshed non stop. Like we would play and then get straight in the pit and be in the pit the whole entire time.

[Martine Stewart]

I miss those every single night, you

[Nick Jett]

know, for 40 nights straight. You know, on our first summer tour, so.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

And lyrically, perfect.

[Martine Stewart]

Perfect.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

And kind of comparable to you of just like the overall idea, the way

[Scott Vogel]

they carry themselves too. They just don't give a. About anything, which is like, you know, especially in this day and age when everything's so pro and so you gotta.

[Martine Stewart]

Gotta.

[Nick Jett]

What size?

[Scott Vogel]

Yeah, what size? What size are gonna be on the flyer. You think Death Threat cares about it?

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Dude, I really like their long laminate set list. It's awesome. You guys gotta get into that, but that. Listen, this was a wonderful day with Terror just talking core for many hours and.

[Scott Vogel]

Amen.

[Martine Stewart]

Many, many hours.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

I loved having you. I love having you. Love having any of you. Anytime. Yeah, thanks. Thanks.

[Scott Vogel]

Thanks for having us.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Of course. Any. Any final words, you can just send them right there.

[Martine Stewart]

Listen to Death Threat every day of your life and things will feel a little bit better than they actually are.

[Emily Chancellor]

Listen to Terror every day. We do live by the code.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

Hey. There you go. All right.

[Emily Chancellor]

Always keep the face all day.

[Host (possibly Brian)]

All right. Thank you all so much. See you next week.