The Best LIVE Hardcore Videos of All Time

Summary

HardLore Podcast Episode Summary

Title: The Best LIVE Hardcore Videos of All Time
Hosts: Colin Young & Bo Lueders
Release Date: April 10, 2025

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Introduction

In this episode of HardLore, hosts Colin Young and Bo Lueders dive deep into the realm of live hardcore music videos, celebrating the most iconic performances that have shaped the hardcore, punk, and metal scenes. The conversation is rich with personal anecdotes, historical insights, and passionate discussions about legendary bands and their unforgettable live shows.

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1. Marauder Live at CBGB (1992)

Timestamp [02:21]

Colin kicks off the discussion with Marauder's legendary 1992 performance at CBGB. He highlights the band's raw energy and tight performance:

Colin Young: "Marauder is Marauder right away, with or without Jorge even." [03:05]

Bo adds his admiration for the band's drumming and riffs:

Bo Lueders: "It's in the drumming and it's in the riffs." [03:39]

They discuss the significance of the unreleased track "Extreme Fallacy," showcasing an intense breakdown, and reminisce about the era when CBGB was a hub for hardcore enthusiasts.

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2. Mad Ball at Coney Island High (1995)

Timestamp [06:03]

Bo introduces his favorite pick—the 1995 Mad Ball set at Coney Island High featured in the New York Hardcore documentary. He praises the audio-visual quality and the band's flawless execution:

Bo Lueders: "This is amongst the greatest things ever recorded by human beings." [07:19]

Colin remarks on the authenticity and rawness of the performance, emphasizing Mad Ball's impact on the hardcore scene.

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3. Floor Punch Final Mosh

Timestamp [08:38]

Colin and Bo delve into Floor Punch's iconic set, celebrating its chaotic yet well-executed chaos:

Bo Lueders: "They play everything. It's amazing." [11:02]

Colin emphasizes the set's energy and the seamless integration of multiple bands:

Colin Young: "It's chaos. They're out of tune, and I would not change a thing." [11:46]

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4. Bad Brains at CBGB (1982)

Timestamp [15:11]

Bo presents Bad Brains' 1982 performance, lauding their musical prowess and pioneering influence:

Bo Lueders: "They changed the game and changed many games." [16:54]

Colin shares personal insights on witnessing Bad Brains' unmatched talent and their lasting legacy in the hardcore and punk scenes.

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5. Underdog at CBGB (1988)

Timestamp [17:46]

Underdog's powerful 1988 performance becomes the focal point, particularly their defiant stance against Anthrax:

Bo Lueders: "Richie's voice being a little raspy. So he sounds like this the whole time." [18:07]

Colin marvels at the crowd's synchronized movement and the band's flawless execution:

Colin Young: "As you listen to it." [20:18]

They highlight the song "Underdog" and its perfect embodiment of hardcore ethos.

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6. War Poughkeepsie at the Chance (1997)

Timestamp [20:25]

War's 1997 performance is celebrated for its aggressive energy and tight musicianship:

Bo Lueders: "The crowd is moving like an ocean during mass movement." [19:21]

Colin notes the band's perfection and the intense crowd pitting, commending the unified spirit of the performance.

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7. Chromax at The Ritz (1986)

Timestamp [23:25]

The hosts discuss Chromax's 1986 show at The Ritz, emphasizing its raw authenticity and the vibrant Chromac army:

Bo Lueders: "It's the Limit, Hard Times." [24:31]

Colin praises the spontaneous energy and the flawless stage dives, including John Joseph's memorable front flip:

Colin Young: "He does a perfect front flip off the stage. Just like a perfect, like, Right." [25:17]

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8. Straight Ahead at CBGB (1988)

Timestamp [27:00]

Straight Ahead's 1988 CBGB performance is highlighted as a quintessential hardcore show:

Bo Lueders: "Everyone's just mashing and people are singing along and like, come on, bro, just play." [28:57]

Colin reflects on the venue's historical significance and the band's flawless execution, making it a cornerstone of live hardcore performances.

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9. Strife's "Straight XXX Version" (1994)

Timestamp [30:31]

Strife's enigmatic 1994 performance is praised for its impeccable stage diving and tight crowd participation:

Bo Lueders: "It's like cannonball, front flip dives. There's perfect sing-along dives." [31:10]

Colin underscores the flawless synchronization between the band and the audience, highlighting the mosh pit's intensity and style.

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10. Life of Agony at Wetlands (1993)

Timestamp [41:21]

Life of Agony's 1993 Wetlands performance is lauded for its diverse crowd and powerful set:

Bo Lueders: "And there's LoN's song." [42:14]

Colin discusses the band's evolution and the video's raw depiction of the era's hardcore scene, emphasizing its impact on fans and musicians alike.

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11. Gathering of the Tribes – SSD and Minor Threat

Timestamp [43:31]

A heartfelt tribute interrupts the discussion, honoring the late Alberil and his monumental influence on the straight edge movement:

Colin Young: "His mark on hardcore is endless and will live forever." [44:26]

Bo shares personal reflections on Alberil's legacy and his own connection to SSD and Minor Threat, underscoring the importance of unity and respect within the scene.

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12. Mad Ball at Wetlands (1996)

Timestamp [47:35]

Mad Ball's 1996 Wetlands performance is celebrated for its non-stop energy and flawless setlist:

Bo Lueders: "It's an incredible example of a band being at their best and people in the crowd understanding the assignment." [21:13]

Colin highlights the band's prime performance and the emotional connection between the band and the audience.

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13. Carnivore Reunion in Bensonhurst

Timestamp [51:28]

The hosts discuss Carnivore's rare reunion show in Bensonhurst, appreciating Eddie Campbell's unique stage presence:

Colin Young: "It's the definitive versions of these songs." [53:00]

Bo emphasizes the video's authenticity and the band's raw energy, making it a standout in live hardcore recordings.

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14. Breakdown Live at Tompkins Square Park (Number One Pick)

Timestamp [53:40]

Crowning their list, Colin and Bo declare Breakdown's live performance at Tompkins Square Park as the best live hardcore video of all time. They praise its perfection, energy, and the seamless connection between the band and the crowd:

Bo Lueders: "Everyone who is listening to this or watching this, who has seen this video knows exactly why it's number one on our list." [54:44]

Colin Young: "Breakdown Pit is a graceful war zone. Jeff doesn't miss a single word. And you witness, like, in real time, the development of a legendary frontman." [55:24]

They describe the performance as a perfect blueprint for live hardcore shows, capturing the essence and raw power that defines the genre.

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Special Tribute

Timestamp [43:31 - 45:55]

The episode includes a poignant tribute to Alberil, a key figure in the hardcore scene, acknowledging his contributions and expressing condolences:

Bo Lueders: "Ever since I found out about the early Boston scene and Al's impact on stuff, he's always been sort of a hero of mine." [43:47]

Colin Young: "We owe him an enormous amount of gratitude just in terms of his artistic input, his cultural input. He's the man." [44:26]

This heartfelt segment underscores the community's respect and recognition of Alberil's lasting legacy.

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Conclusion

Colin and Bo wrap up the episode by reflecting on the enduring legacy of these live hardcore videos and their significance in preserving the genre's history. They express enthusiasm for future episodes and encourage listeners to engage with the hardcore community, emphasizing that these performances are not just recordings but pivotal moments that continue to inspire and define the hardcore ethos.

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Notable Quotes:

• Colin Young at [03:05]: "Marauder is Marauder right away, with or without Jorge even."
• Bo Lueders at [16:54]: "They changed the game and changed many games."
• Bo Lueders at [41:26]: "Nirvana sold about 900,000 records. We only sold about 800,000 records..."
• Colin Young at [55:03]: "It's something somebody sat me down to watch at 14 years old, and I'm thankful for."

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This comprehensive exploration of live hardcore performances offers both nostalgia for longtime fans and an educational journey for newcomers, encapsulating the raw energy and enduring spirit of the hardcore scene.

Transcript

[Bowen]

Hello, welcome. It's Hard Lord Time. How are you, my beautiful friend? Bowen?

[Unknown]

I'm doing so well. How are you today? Yellow shirt.

[Bowen]

I'm very excited. This is maybe the most fun I've ever had putting a list together for the show.

[Unknown]

No kidding.

[Bowen]

Yeah.

[Unknown]

All right, well, I love that because.

[Bowen]

Like, people make playlists every day, you know.

[Unknown]

Yes.

[Bowen]

It's common.

[Unknown]

Oh, let's make a video playlist for this.

[Bowen]

Yes. I mean, of course, Absolutely.

[Unknown]

Check it out in the comment section below.

[Bowen]

But, dude, think. This is like, HC. This is hardcore 101 we're doing.

[Unknown]

This is kind of like, this is my favorite thing.

[Bowen]

Getting together with the boys.

[Unknown]

Yes.

[Bowen]

And the girls sitting in a living room putting on hardcore videos and talking about mosh style.

[Unknown]

Yes.

[Bowen]

Riffs. Do a guy's hair at that certain time who you spot in the pit. Like, holy. There's Chaka.

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Bowen]

And you know, that's gonna happen a lot in this episode, but we are talking about today our favorite hardcore live videos of all time.

[Unknown]

All time. Do you have yours in any particular order?

[Bowen]

I had, like, no until a definite number one.

[Unknown]

Okay. Okay, I'll do the same then. Okay, that's great.

[Bowen]

This is history here, you know? And you'll see in one of the videos I will show you, the conversation is about how, like, no matter how good hardcore is now and when you find it, the roots are always going to be important.

[Unknown]

Oh, that. I mean, is that not the whole idea of what this episode?

[Bowen]

That is the whole idea of what this episode is. This is the roots of live hardcore music. Some of it is from the 80s, some of it's from the 90s, a little bit from the 2000s.

[Unknown]

Yeah, yeah.

[Bowen]

But this is history. Okay. And I know we're excited to share these things with you. If you've never seen them, if you have seen them, you already know. Tell us below about your experiences at these shows. If you're at these shows, tell me more. I'm dying to know more. I'm going to start real quick with one from a band we obviously love. Straight out of Mother Brooklyn. This is Marauder live at CBGB 1992. Straight out of Brooklyn.

[Unknown]

This is Mar Te Up. Set It Off, Son.

[Bowen]

We got Minus singing. We got them sounding like a band that practices three days a week. And you can hear in this performance that what? Like Paris's view from his episode that he did with us on Marauder. He, Paris May, who produced Master Killer, is not entirely accurate because, like, Fear of Sin sounds the same take by Force sounds the Same besiege. The masses is mostly the same. There's little nuances that change that. I'm sure he helped them tighten. But like, Marauder is Marauder right away, with or without Jorge even.

[Unknown]

You know, it's in the, it's in the drumming and it's in the. Just the riffs.

[Bowen]

Absolutely.

[Unknown]

Interesting, too. And, and you could see that if there was different drums underneath the riffs, you could say this about a lot of stuff. But I think particularly with Marauder, if it was just like death metal drumming underneath the riffs, it'd be a completely different band. Yeah.

[Bowen]

It wouldn't be a hardcore band at all.

[Unknown]

At all.

[Bowen]

And that, that was a thing Paris shared that, like, he would suggest things and they'd be like, no, that's not death metal. And he'd have to be like, well, you aren't that. You're a Marauder.

[Unknown]

Wow.

[Bowen]

And. And I think that's what they did. By the end, you got Saab looking like a superstar.

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Bowen]

You have a previously unreleased track called Extreme Fallacy that they play towards the end of the song with an insane breakdown in it. This song is now out. You can find it Minus Compilation Years record. Yeah. Minus says that this is the first CB's matinee, which in a while, I'm assuming he means. Which is cool because he's. And he's clearly talking. He's saying things like, hey, if you fight, you're a. We're moshing here together exclusively. Don't ruin this. Don't ruin this venue, which is obviously now gone. But it's crazy to see back kind of in real time, the way these things went.

[Unknown]

I love it. Great pick.

[Bowen]

I love this video. And it's crazy that, like, I, I, I said the same when you guys came back to LA after you got your yes.

[Unknown]

Yes.

[Bowen]

Trailer stolen. That's how I started your set. I said, straight out of Chicago, this is Marauder, or this is Harm's Way.

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Bowen]

There's video of this from CBGB's in 1992, and not of that. It's a miracle that some of these things were filmed.

[Unknown]

That's such a good point because really, you have to think about who's filming it and then who's taking care of the physical. The tape.

[Bowen]

A guy with a. Who. The, the guy who owned the camcorder is filming it.

[Unknown]

Yes.

[Bowen]

And. And the tape surely sat in a drawer for 10, 15 years a lot of the time.

[Unknown]

And what's also cool is like, I don't know if you guys like Maybe some of the younger viewers, listeners don't realize this, but, like, there was an era of tape training. Like, Jay had the floor punch, final mosh cassette tape. And when we would go to James House, we would watch it because.

[Bowen]

And that's how you'd watch it.

[Unknown]

That's how you'd watch it. YouTube wasn't around, you know, so the fact that some of these things, like you said, made it is incredible.

[Bowen]

It's a miracle. We're lucky to have them.

[Unknown]

My first pick is kind of what the genesis for the idea of this episode. I recently rewatched the New York Hardcore documentary and there's a show that happens at Coney Island High in 1995. District 9 plays, 25 to life plays. But the Mad Ball set in particular is so fucking awesome.

[Bowen]

Why can I go? I. I don't know how they filmed this so clearly.

[Unknown]

It's incredible.

[Bowen]

Yeah, dude, it's like 4K60. It's crazy.

[Unknown]

It's awesome. It looks better than the rest of the documentary. So maybe they did have a different camera set up because it was static. But then there's shots from behind the band. But, you know, you got Henderson, you got Stigma, you got Hoya.

[Bowen]

This is Prime. Prime Ad ball.

[Unknown]

Yeah, Prime Mad Ball.

[Bowen]

Beautiful stuff. This is. This is. I didn't. I put a different madball video.

[Unknown]

Good, good, good.

[Bowen]

Because I knew that this would be on yours.

[Unknown]

Yeah. They.

[Bowen]

This is amongst the greatest things ever recorded by human beings. Sure.

[Unknown]

It. They open with Set it Off. They play down by Law. They play all early Mad Ball.

[Bowen]

The sets hit. It's all first three records.

[Unknown]

It's all hits. In particular, they play New York City and it's the breakdown hits so hard and people are moshing so hard. They also. And I forgot about this until I had. I rewatched the documentary, which is all on YouTube, by the way. If you want to watch this, if you haven't seen it, it's incredible. Friend of the show, Mike Dejon is in it. Danny Diablo Isak is in it. And he's hilarious.

[Bowen]

He's hilarious. Yeah.

[Unknown]

But Roger Murray from Agnostic Front comes and. And they sing Crucified. Madball plays it. And then in like a little quick snippet interview, Roger's like, oh, yeah, I like fell through the stage and broke my back during that. So I'm at the hospital now. It's just like, what? And you go back and watch and you see him fall. And I guess that's the moment.

[Bowen]

But he broke his back. You also have Rick to Life of sound mind. Rational.

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Bowen]

Normal guy. Seems friend of friend to all at the time.

[Unknown]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Bowen]

It's truly a fascinating watch. If you've not seen the New York hardcore documentary Give it a shot.

[Unknown]

Give it a shot. But yeah, that's my first pick.

[Bowen]

Great first pick. Huge first pick.

[Unknown]

Thank you.

[Bowen]

My next pick is surely on yours, but we've got to just talk about it. The floor punch final mosh.

[Unknown]

I didn't put it on mine. No way. Because I told you kind of what I was already going to do. So I like, I left some CBGB 2000. Dude.

[Bowen]

There's a whole chapter in the book about the show and I.

[Unknown]

And I did read about that one because I was curious about it.

[Bowen]

It's. I mean. So they open with a. And medley of outbursts the hard way.

[Unknown]

Yep.

[Bowen]

Leeway, Rise and fall.

[Unknown]

Yep.

[Bowen]

Biohazard, Scarred for Life. Warzone intro, bust and then floor punch intro. And in the book. You know, the book says a lot more than I possibly can in this moment. But essentially they. They broke up after the European tour. They decide they had a meeting where they were like, we don't want to do in the band anymore. Mike breaks edge and they. The. The. The vibe in the circle of friends kind of shifts. You got to get the book and read about it. I think it's sold out now. If you're listening to this. I'm sorry, Second. Wait for. For the second pressing to read about it. But they get offered to play one last show with all the while. They did not want their last show to be some European show.

[Unknown]

Yeah, sure.

[Bowen]

So even though Mike's broken edge, the. The vibe has changed. They get offered to play with Chromags and Breakdown and that feels like the proper last show. Jeff D'Agostino says something very wise in the book that I think I try to actively think about now is that like, we're so obsessed with the old guard, the old era of hardcore that we like, don't think about what we're doing right now as something that lives in perpetuity, you know. Well, like even this conversation in 20 years, this is. This is old hardcore in 20 years, us talking about older hardcore. And I think that's important to just be present in the moment because it sounds like the guys in the band kind of had this like tunnel vision.

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Bowen]

During it. Where like they almost weren't having fun. It was so crazy. But looking back on it, they can't even remember it. And here we are 25 years later talking about this thing that they May have resented at the time.

[Unknown]

Yes.

[Bowen]

Being one of the coolest things to ever happen in. In hardcore music ever.

[Unknown]

There's a snippet in. In that chapter in the book tour it says it wasn't. Was it the best four punch set? No.

[Bowen]

No. And. And it's like Porter would have told you 100. It was either the first and second Boston show or something.

[Unknown]

Yes, exactly.

[Bowen]

So awesome.

[Unknown]

It's so interesting that, like, this is like a fabled. Like, all of these videos we're talking about are, like, legendary, dude.

[Bowen]

And Porter shows up the second they start playing because he was at his wife's law school graduation.

[Unknown]

That's right.

[Bowen]

You gotta read this book. I can't wait to have them on.

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Bowen]

Yeah. Floor Punch. Final Mosh. One of the greats. They're. It's chaos. They're out of tune, and I would not change a thing.

[Unknown]

And, like, I think a guitar cuts out for like a whole, like, several songs.

[Bowen]

Awesome.

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Bowen]

They play everything. It's amazing.

[Unknown]

It's great. My next pick, which I again mentioned to you. So I'm just gonna get those all out of the way. Killing time, 1990 CBGB's.

[Bowen]

This is. I mean, this is on my list as well.

[Unknown]

Okay, so we're. We got a couple of these then.

[Bowen]

Yeah, we're gonna. It's kind of just gonna happen. This is probably top three ever. They open with Backtrack.

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Bowen]

They sound perfect. It's their last show.

[Unknown]

Yeah. He says last show, time's up. That's how he starts the set. Yeah.

[Bowen]

They play for an hour.

[Unknown]

They do play for an hour, which is crazy.

[Bowen]

And, dude, this show has the craziest assortment of people. And, like, New York hardcore legend like Pete and Lou from Sick of It all are on stage, rocking out.

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Bowen]

Chaka's in the pit for every band ever. You will. That is the one constant through all these things is that Chaka is moshing. This shit is unbelievable. Dude. A band has never sounded this good and assembled this many people. I think the coolest thing about all these old CB videos.

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Bowen]

Is that you can't tell where the stage hands and begins.

[Unknown]

I was. That was literally what I'm about to say. And that's constant thread in, like, a lot of these that I picked is there's no just distinguishing who's playing. You can hardly see the drums. Like, there's so many people there because they need their.

[Bowen]

Their. And. And this is like, not just showgoers at this. This is like everybody in every band ever coming to see Killing time off.

[Unknown]

Right.

[Bowen]

Vitalo had the idea for, specifically for this to watch it live with like Hoya or something, frame by frame and be like, who was this guy?

[Unknown]

That's a great.

[Bowen]

Who's the guy? Because there's one guy that tags the stage mid mosh. Really like who was that guy who's in the fedora? How where's chat? Like how many times Chaka is he the greatest monster of all time? I I this video I I watched in full today. Excited to talk about.

[Unknown]

Awesome. Do you remember what the lineup was? I think Mad Ball played.

[Bowen]

I don't know, I didn't look that up.

[Unknown]

Had this on a cassette tape and we would watch it in high school and I'm almost positive Mad Ball was on it too. But I, I don't know the lineup for the show. But Anthony like his stage presence in this is so good. There's such a good band.

[Bowen]

Yeah. And this is a few. I mean this is why all those dudes that we talk about from that time are like Bright Sides number one, no question.

[Unknown]

Yeah, right.

[Bowen]

And it's crazy to think if they had stuck around past 1990. I mean they're back obviously in playing shows. I've played with them 15 times last year. It was the best. Yeah. The last pile up is like half the crap.

[Unknown]

Yeah. It's crazy.

[Bowen]

And then they cover Black Sabbath, Symptom of the Universe, which Warzone would later rip off on the self titled. So that must have just been like an old head NYHC anthem. Which is really funny.

[Unknown]

That is funny. Never even thought about it.

[Bowen]

Just. Do you do another one since I, since we both had that one.

[Unknown]

This one is an obvious one. This is one that I own on DVD for some reason, but it's bad brains. CBGB's 1982 HR is a God in this. They open up with Big Takeover and the second it kicks in, he's like skanking with the mic stand and it looks so effort, effortless and cool. And you can tell that everyone who's like watching there who's like lining the stage is like so excited and like.

[Bowen]

Yeah, these are the Bad Brains are gods to two gods. You know, anybody that we look at as like a musical hero of ours has that same reverence for the veterans.

[Unknown]

The whole set is on YouTube. All of this stuff is obviously all on YouTube and will be.

[Bowen]

Yeah, it's all linked below as well.

[Unknown]

And so it's all there. Please watch this. It is in, in almost any any like documentary sense about early punk rock. Every band in hardcore, every band talks about the Bad Brains with like such high regard. And like, yeah, they were so good. There's one with Ian where he's like, yeah, teen idols play with Bad Brains. And I hated my bass sound. Bad, bad, bad bass, whatever. And then Daryl played the same one and it just sounded incredible. And it's because they were just like in just such great musicians. Totally with such a cool way to approach this kind of music.

[Bowen]

They changed the game.

[Unknown]

They changed the game and.

[Bowen]

And changed many games.

[Unknown]

And they were doing it so early. They were around. They were like vets at this point.

[Bowen]

Yeah.

[Unknown]

You know, this is 82.

[Bowen]

It's true. I love all the stories of old hardcore guys. Seeing them set up, not knowing a thing about them. And then by the end of the set they're like, well, this is obviously the best band in the world.

[Unknown]

Clearly my favorite band.

[Bowen]

I love it. Yeah. Speaking of hardcore influence with reggae parts, this next video is underdog at CBGB 1988.

[Unknown]

That's the next one on my list.

[Bowen]

Is it? At minute 32, Richie says, Yo, Anthrax, we're not like you, you dude.

[Unknown]

Cuz he talk. He's talking about Anthrax trying to copyright or trademark the New York hardcore symbol logo.

[Bowen]

Dude, the.

[Unknown]

The.

[Bowen]

The stage dives in this. Richie's voice being a little raspy. So he sound. He sounds like this the whole time.

[Unknown]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Bowen]

The crowd is moving like an ocean during mass movement.

[Unknown]

So this is exactly why I put this on. There are two bouncers on stage for. For the whole thing, but particularly in mass movement. And when that song kicks in, they are both like dancing and they're both so into it. And Richie skanks and it's so cool. And I went down a rabbit hole to figure out who these bouncers were, like to your Vitalo story point and found one of them. And I follow him on Instagram now. He's just like an old New York skinhead guy who is just like, was that. He's in. He's in the Killing Time video. He's in so many.

[Bowen]

He's the. He's the one that's on stage and he looks like the most jacked man alive.

[Unknown]

There's two. I believe he's the. The other guy. Jackman alive. It looks ridiculous. Yeah, yeah, I. I believe he's another guy.

[Bowen]

Okay.

[Unknown]

It's. It's hard to know. But I. I tweeted about this. People said, oh, that's this dude. So like, I got pointed in his direction. It. The vibe for Mass Movement in particular is so awesome.

[Bowen]

I agree.

[Unknown]

One of those shows where when people ask, like, what's the show you would, like, want to go to? And like, Time Warp Tour, whatever. This would be one.

[Bowen]

I agree. I feel the same about this and one that I'm gonna say later. But the. I. I can't imagine, like, listening to just how tight they are, how literally perfect they sound.

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Bowen]

I can't imagine watching this in 1988 and not thinking like, well, this is obviously going to be the biggest band in the world.

[Unknown]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Bowen]

Like, this is the best form of hardcore currently existing. He does the entire back to back chorus acapella. They close with negative approach. I love. It's about who you are. It's about who we are. This song's called Underdog.

[Unknown]

Oh, my God.

[Bowen]

Unbelievable, dude.

[Unknown]

But yeah, the. The hard stance of Yo, Anthrax. We're not like you. Is like, oh, that. It's so perfect. It's perfect, dude.

[Bowen]

Yeah, I. That. I didn't expect that the first time I saw it. And it changes the context of the song forever.

[Unknown]

Yes.

[Bowen]

As you listen to it.

[Unknown]

Yes. Oh, boy.

[Bowen]

Should I do another one now? Since we both had that one?

[Unknown]

Perfect. Yeah. Yeah.

[Bowen]

All right, this is all out War Poughkeepsie at the chance in 1997. Had to put. Had to put the goats on there. The hardest band ever.

[Unknown]

Going. They won't be going.

[Bowen]

We talked about this in the Mind Force episode as it's a. This is a. This is an aggressive show. You know. You know, they're spin kicking in there. You know, the. The. The. The dancing is violent, but the crowd is packed to the front regardless. Great stage dives that aren't, like, with the intention of hurting somebody.

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Bowen]

It's an incredible example of a band being at their best and people in the crowd understanding the assignment, the dive style. They're all packed to the front. They all want to be in the moment and they're hearing this. The band at their best. They cover chromags and it sounds unbelievable. I love watching these bands that sound like they practiced every single day.

[Unknown]

What song do they cover?

[Bowen]

World Peace, I think.

[Unknown]

Okay, cool.

[Bowen]

And it's awesome.

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Bowen]

All at war, 1997. This is a little later. And it's.

[Unknown]

Yeah, the.

[Bowen]

The spirit is the same, but the sound is completely different.

[Unknown]

I. How scary it must have been to. To see that.

[Bowen]

But it's like, dude, I don't even think fear was the thing because it was so. It was so unified, you know? And like Jay said in the. In the episode like only the sickest in the world were doing what everyone does now. There's. There is a. There's a Grace, you know, to. To the. To the slam dancing.

[Unknown]

Yeah. It's not like what. What we know is crowd killing, which, you know, whatever.

[Bowen]

Crowd killing is just moshing now. And that's crazy.

[Unknown]

Yes.

[Bowen]

Because you should. I mean, if you're. If you're just a guy.

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Bowen]

Crowd killing somebody's friend and they beat your ass, you probably deserve it.

[Unknown]

Probably. Yeah. You watch all these old videos and it's just not a thing.

[Bowen]

The Grace style. Style should be number one. Violence is great. Violence is. Is the best. But it should come second to the style, really. If somebody hits you hard as. And they looked cool, you're probably going to forget about it.

[Unknown]

Wow.

[Bowen]

You know, profound.

[Unknown]

Yeah, that was.

[Bowen]

If it looks like we gotta kill that guy.

[Unknown]

You know what we really need to get rid of. I think we've talked about it before, but I. I've been reminded of it. The. The joke, getting on stage, going across.

[Bowen]

I mean, we've talked about it at length. It needs to go. If you see it. If you see something, say something. Okay. We gotta get. We gotta eject these people.

[Unknown]

See it. Say it.

[Bowen]

It's over, man.

[Unknown]

Yeah. This is a short one. This one's a little out of the box. It's not a full set and it's. It's from that piece of the beat, but. Chromat.

[Bowen]

Oh, yeah.

[Unknown]

They play it's the Limit, Hard Times. That's.

[Bowen]

Was filmed in a feature film.

[Unknown]

In a feature film?

[Bowen]

Yeah.

[Unknown]

They. They. I believe it's after they got off tour with Venom and Motorhead, which, like, wasn't a great tour for the Chromags.

[Bowen]

And we talked about it, right, With Paris.

[Unknown]

Yeah, I believe so. And. And at the very end of that tour, they had to get to the Ritz is where I think it was filmed. And they didn't know, you know, it was just a show that they were gonna film. It wasn't like a thing. It wasn't like the movie filled that room. It was a Chromac show.

[Bowen]

Right.

[Unknown]

And it was packed. And they were very much like this. It's where they got the term the Chromac army was there.

[Bowen]

Wow.

[Unknown]

And it was very.

[Bowen]

And isn't this. There's footage of all people, like, holding up their Chromatic shirts, like, so psyched to be there.

[Unknown]

Right? Yeah. So think it was like a. You know, there's. It's not. I. I don't know if there's Pre sales or what's going on back in the day. It's. It's. It's 86. I don't really.

[Bowen]

Yeah, they're lining up around the block.

[Unknown]

Lining up around the block.

[Bowen]

I mean. And so this is 86. So this is right around Age of Coral.

[Unknown]

Yes.

[Bowen]

And everybody we've talked to was like, this. They were the band that.

[Unknown]

This was it.

[Bowen]

Like, local bands were covering the Chromags in 1986.

[Unknown]

Yeah. So I gotta talk, like, again, it's only two songs, but there's so much in it. There's like, people think Peter Steele is in it. I have broken it down and determined that it is not him. Because the guy who people think is. Doesn't have a tattoo. His shoulder doesn't have that panther.

[Bowen]

I'm sure there's all kinds of all stars in there, though.

[Unknown]

Yeah, yeah, for sure. And. And namely during. It's the limit, during the. I don't want to say the breakdown part. Richie Underdog does one of the coolest stage dives. And it's. It like he's youth, crude out. And seeing that he comes from the back of the stage, I. No, no, he comes from the front. But he does, like a jump and a fist thing and does a huge dive. And it's so cool. And then there's, like, just awesome pitting during it. Paris looks dope. JJ Looks dope. Harley looks dope. It's the. It's the lineup, Doug.

[Bowen]

This is prime. This is Prime.

[Unknown]

It's Prime.

[Bowen]

Prime, Chromax.

[Unknown]

And then he does. They do Hard Times. And at the very end, John Joseph does, like, a perfect front flip off the stage. Just like a perfect, like, Right. And doesn't hurt anybody. And it's. I don't. I. I can't believe that for a movie, they captured such a cool thing. Yeah, that's impossible.

[Bowen]

You got professional videographers not filming a staged thing.

[Unknown]

Right.

[Bowen]

You know, it's just wrong. So it's like, hey, just let them. Let the show speak for itself.

[Unknown]

There are some funny, like, cuts to people like. Yeah, yeah. That are obviously. Yeah. You know, like. Like for the movie. And that's a little silly. And then the main character of the movie, I'm assuming, is always like. He's like. Yeah, he's like, in the pit. But the. Apart from that, this I love.

[Bowen]

Just a great performance.

[Unknown]

I love this video.

[Bowen]

Yeah. There's a lot you can learn from things like this, you know?

[Unknown]

Got a lot to learn.

[Bowen]

There's style. Hey, there you go. My next pick back to 1988, the greatest year in the history of our sport.

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Bowen]

This is Straight ahead. Cbgb.

[Unknown]

Everybody everywhere. Tennis place, down this one straight ahead. We have a lot of the same ones, man.

[Bowen]

Oh, yeah, yeah. This.

[Unknown]

This is for the Pete's sake benefit.

[Bowen]

Yes. Who is Pete from SIGF at all. And legal tribute. Legal trouble.

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Bowen]

This is their first show in two years.

[Unknown]

Yep.

[Bowen]

This is some of the craziest energy ever captured on or off the stage. Everybody everywhere, tear this place down. This one's straight ahead.

[Unknown]

And people cheer people if. And also if you. If you listen to it before he even says that, people are. Are like, like, yeah.

[Bowen]

Pumped to be straight into breakaway and then being like, all right, what do you guys want to hear?

[Unknown]

That's all we. That was the set list.

[Bowen]

And who do I see mashing?

[Unknown]

Chaka. Yeah.

[Bowen]

He's always watching, dude.

[Unknown]

This is a great example of not knowing who's doing what because the stages could not be more.

[Bowen]

No, you can't see. He says Armand, but I don't see Armand. You know.

[Unknown]

Probably my favorite stage presence.

[Bowen]

Yeah, he's. He's. It's. It's effortless.

[Unknown]

It's effortless.

[Bowen]

He's diving, and that's why it rocks, dude.

[Unknown]

He does a dive with the mic like this, and he's like, ah. And that. That's so scary.

[Bowen]

Yeah, that's.

[Unknown]

That's.

[Bowen]

You never know, especially there. But, dude, this looks like. Just like. This looks like everybody in the room is friends with each other, and they're all like, come on, bro, just play.

[Unknown]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Bowen]

We love your band. Can you just play? And these are straight ahead. These are some of the best hardcore songs ever written.

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Bowen]

This is another incredible blueprint of if this type of hardcore is. Is. Is the next phase, we're golden. We're good to go. Well, give me more. Straight Ahead.

[Unknown]

Something we didn't talk about on the previous episode where we were kind of catching up was the Underdog Breakdown show that happened in. Was it?

[Bowen]

Oh, just. Yeah, a couple weeks ago.

[Unknown]

A couple weeks ago.

[Bowen]

The Rebirth Showcase. Bob's.

[Unknown]

Bob's Reverse Showcase and Big Bob's little show. And it was like he was posting videos of the covers that bands were doing. And, like, it was all floor punch. Straight ahead you to today.

[Bowen]

I want. I want somebody be. To be able to open up with Straight Ahead.

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Bowen]

And for it to be a. A graceful war zone, you know?

[Unknown]

Exactly. And it makes me very, very happy. There is a mental We R. S Live set from I Don't Remember how Long ago. But he says everybody everywhere tear this place down. So like I knew it's already canonized in history. I mean, what it meant because I didn't know about the Straight Ahead video because it was so. I probably. It probably wasn't on YouTube yet. So finding it. So it makes you wonder how did they know? They probably knew.

[Bowen]

From tape trading to once again quote James Vital. If straight ahead at CBs isn't in the mix, hardcore should end.

[Unknown]

Holy. He said.

[Bowen]

So here we are. It's in the mix straight ahead at CBGB 1988.

[Unknown]

Amazing pick. Well done.

[Bowen]

Thank you.

[Unknown]

My next one, I'm going west coast on this. This one was a mystery because I don't know where it was. It's Strife in 1994. And it's called, it's called. The video is called Strife Straight XXX version. That. That's it. Like there's. I can't find any info on it.

[Bowen]

I mean it could be. It's probably California.

[Unknown]

I think it's California because everyone knows every part.

[Bowen]

Yeah.

[Unknown]

Yeah. I have never in my life. Somebody in the comments says there's. There's a dive every 0.3 seconds. I have never in my life seen more perfect stage diving and like perfect crowd participation in the way that like I prefer.

[Bowen]

And that's why we study these things so intently.

[Unknown]

You know, it's like, like cannonball, front flip dives. There's perfect sing along dives. Rick is diving like a madman. They're playing tight like it, it's so. I remember finding that video on like Limewire way back in the day and, and just being like, oh my God.

[Bowen]

Meanwhile the dance floor. Yeah, it's chaos because they're playing these hard ass pit parts.

[Unknown]

Dude, this video was like a gem for me. And I, I wasn't. I had a hard time finding it because that, it's so like found it.

[Bowen]

And I, I Strife XXX version. You could go either way, you know.

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Bowen]

Could be a lot. Could be a lot of different results.

[Unknown]

I know somebody close to me who got caught with naughty videos on their family computer and they're. They played it off by saying I. I looked up xxx like straight edge and it worked.

[Bowen]

It worked.

[Unknown]

Not me. Wasn't me.

[Bowen]

I was about to say, is his name rhyme with low booters?

[Unknown]

No, it wasn't me. But I. Okay, very quick thinking on that person's part.

[Bowen]

Gotcha. Yeah. That' back to something that was said in the underdog video, I believe. The show ends and somebody says like, go home you guys stink or something.

[Unknown]

That's awesome.

[Bowen]

It is. And if only at that time.

[Unknown]

It's funny to think that I thought, oh, this would be a good time. I should say something as though you didn't plan on that.

[Bowen]

It's so awesome to think what could have happened in that room and how less bad it could have stunk if they had access to manscape.com at that time.

[Unknown]

Of course, I don't think.com even existed.

[Bowen]

But. No, but that. That is why if. If I could pick anywhere in the world, as you said, to go back, it would be 1988 to drop a big barrel of manscaped crop revivers and preservers and the body wash everything. Because I have access to code hard lore. So I get 20% off and free shipping, which could apply interdimensionally and inter. Timely, of course.

[Unknown]

And like, hey, there's skinheads. They need to shave their heads. We got.

[Bowen]

And thank God there's a fucking hair trimmer thing.

[Unknown]

Bald guy.

[Bowen]

The bald guy Tool.

[Unknown]

Yep.

[Bowen]

You wouldn't believe that thing. Skinheads, if you're listening, Manscaped is perfect for you. You can get the baldest you've ever been with this beautiful tool. And you can get 20 off a code hard Laura Free shipping. This episode is also brought to you by Mad Vintage. Anything we've mentioned today, hardcore metal, punk and beyond. Yeah, all of our favorite bands. You can find something from there right now. Go to maddvintage.com code hardlore15. You're getting 15 off. And this stuff adds up because the vintage shirt market is out of control.

[Unknown]

It's out of control.

[Bowen]

Maybe that's our fault.

[Unknown]

Maybe. And also important to keep in mind that Luke at Mad Vintage is looking to buy the stuff that you don't want. Get a hold of him.

[Bowen]

That's right. So if you're in these videos and you're down here commenting, I was at this. Yeah, Hit up Luke. Well, given whatever shirt you were wearing in this video. Yeah, I'll take it.

[Unknown]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Bowen]

And then the cycle will continue.

[Unknown]

You got to keep. And it'll be beautiful, of course. Also, keep in mind, please, he will be at ldb. He will be a tie down. He'll be at Furnace Fest. He will be at others. Follow his Instagram to find out what he's up to.

[Bowen]

That's right. He's a vending machine. He's out of control. So are we. But we're a little more in control because of AG1. Isn't that right, Bo?

[Unknown]

Did you enjoy your AG1, today.

[Bowen]

Every day, that's the first thing I do. Empty stomach, little green powder, 12 to 16 ounces of ice cold water. I suck it down. I'm feeling good. That's the rules.

[Unknown]

That's it.

[Bowen]

Drinkag1.com Hardlore is how you can get started on your health journey. Listen, we're. We're four months into 2025 now. It makes you sick, but it doesn't have to make you physically sick, only sick in the mind because AG1's got your back. All the daily probiotics, pro prebiotics, all the biotics you need. AG1's in there. Get your together, okay?

[Unknown]

What do they get if they use the link?

[Bowen]

They're getting. They're getting five free travel packs for all these festivals coming up, all these shows coming up. You got to take care of your immunity, okay? You want. You want energy for the pit so that you can learn to dive like all. Like Chaka. You want to get more like Chaka. I bet you he's drinking AG1.

[Unknown]

What else do they get?

[Bowen]

They get a year supply of vitamin D and K drops.

[Unknown]

Wow.

[Bowen]

And Lord knows these venues are dark. The sun is. Is blinded. We gotta get them AG1. Back to the conversation. What were we talking about?

[Unknown]

Strife was the last one, so you're up.

[Bowen]

Speaking of Strife, Victory Records. What other band is synonymous with Victory Records? Bo.

[Unknown]

Hate Breed.

[Bowen]

Little band called goddamn Hate Breed. This is hellfest 2001. God. You got Jamie, Shawn Martin, Boulder Bey, Prime. This is probably shortly after I saw Hate Breed for the first time, which is crazy to think about.

[Unknown]

Would that have been over there or West Coast?

[Bowen]

That was in Connecticut. Yeah.

[Unknown]

Yeah. Wow.

[Bowen]

So this is. This is. You're watching this and you go, oh, this is the best band in the world. This is the best band in the world in 2001. And everybody in that room knows that. If Satisfaction has been out for several years, by this time, everybody knows every word. This is kind of a good look at the evolution of, like, from 2001 to now. This is kind of the most. One of these videos looks like what we have now. When it's. When it's good, you know?

[Unknown]

Yeah, yeah.

[Bowen]

This is. This should be what it always looks like. Slammed to the front.

[Unknown]

Yep.

[Bowen]

Singing the words. People dancing back there.

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Bowen]

Come on. While. While the tightest band on Earth is playing these songs.

[Unknown]

I'm remembering all the Hellfest DVDs now and. And thinking about this set. You kind of forget how perfect Hate Reed was. You know what I mean? There's so many. Yeah. And this particular set, I know exactly the one, and it is so awesome.

[Bowen]

The, like, stage power goes out for a second during Empty Promises and then comes back for Puritan, and the entire crowd is doing the entire song. It's the sickest ever, man. 2001. Great pick. Spin kick. Odyssey.

[Unknown]

There we go. All right, here's my Marauder pick.

[Bowen]

Hit me.

[Unknown]

1996 Marauder at the Wetlands.

[Bowen]

Man.

[Unknown]

Minus and Jorge. You got them both. They sound like a million dollars.

[Bowen]

Yeah.

[Unknown]

There's a part. I don't remember which song. I couldn't find it in the video, so you got to watch the whole thing. But there's a part where they're singing, like, a not minus song. They play a non minus song, and Minus gives Jorge the mic, and Jorge sings into both.

[Bowen]

Both mics. Yeah. And it somehow doesn't feed back, which could only happen to the Master Killer.

[Unknown]

It's so awesome.

[Bowen]

And this is. Master Killer's been out for over a year at this point, or at least a year at this point. And, like, it's. It's so you can. From all the old Marauder videos. They were like this local ass band, this. This little miracle of bands playing these unbelievable songs that nobody else could play that hadn't really broken through yet. And by this time, they've just kind of been established post Master Killer, and they're doing songs with the original singer. You know, it.

[Unknown]

There's a funny moment. They. They start playing. They open with Time Ends, and there's. There's reverb on the snare in a live setting. It sounds so good. And you see Jorge go and talk to Minus and, like, shake his hand and say, what's up? And you see Minus kind of go. And I can only imagine it's like, you're gonna sing some. He's like, yeah, maybe, you know, because then. Then he. He starts singing, like, halfway into the first verse. Yeah, he's not like. He just, like, grabs a mic and all of a sudden he, like.

[Bowen]

Wasn't a plan.

[Unknown]

It seems like it was.

[Bowen]

Or it was a plan. It was a bit, you know.

[Unknown]

Yeah. It's so awesome. The pit is scary.

[Bowen]

Pit scare. This is now. This is 96 is when it starts to be.

[Unknown]

Yeah, yeah.

[Bowen]

Dudes are dying in the pit.

[Unknown]

Yeah, this. This is Horseshoe, because. Yeah, it had to be, you know.

[Bowen]

Yeah.

[Unknown]

So it's kind of a different vibe crowd wise, but it's such a. A wonderful cross section into this era of the band that we love so much, you know, totally on the Record that we love so much.

[Bowen]

Totally in their, in their absolute prime. Sounding incredible.

[Unknown]

They sound great. They sound perfect.

[Bowen]

They're seasoned by this time. They're definitely touring Europe three times a year probably, you know, Century Media, master killer. Over 10,000 copies sold at this time or something. Speaking of which.

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Bowen]

Also at the wetlands. Oh, 1993, life of agony.

[Unknown]

Yeah, dude.

[Bowen]

This video, I, I could probably recite front to back. They open Talk. So the same night in New York City, Nirvana was playing at the New York Coliseum to 7,000 people. So they start by saying Nirvana sold about 900, 000 records. We only sold about 800,000 records. So the hundred thousand people who didn't buy the record are going to see them. And then they start playing to the craziest assortment of, of hardcore punk showgoers you've ever seen.

[Unknown]

And this is one of the like fabled, like scariest.

[Bowen]

Oh, it's horrifying. Yes, dude, there's skinheads, chicken fighting.

[Unknown]

Yeah, yeah. Like, yeah, it's crazy.

[Bowen]

It is legit. The wildest assortment of every kind of hardcore punk person you can imagine. Joey's wearing a biohazard self titled shirt. It's incredible. It looks like there's eight cabs on stage.

[Unknown]

Yeah, yeah.

[Bowen]

And you can, you can tell looking back at videos like, like what band was gonna break, you know, Interesting. And you hear Life of Agony in this. They're, they're not, they're in a different league musically, you know, this would have changed my life if I was there. It did change my life in a way, seeing it after. But dude, this is, this is legit. I mean, you can see why Sal goes, oh, I gotta quit typo and just do this. This is crazy.

[Unknown]

Yeah. Which is so wild, you know, wild to think about. All right, great pick. My next one is one of my all time favorite things because it, it only happened once and it's called the Gathering of the Tribes. It was SSD going Down South. They played a show in Camden, New Jersey with Minor Threat.

[Bowen]

Hey, pardon this quick interruption, everybody. We just wanted to chime in here. This episode was recorded before we found out about the passing of the late great Alberil. And we just wanted to say a few words of condolences for him and his wife, Nancy.

[Unknown]

Yeah, ever since I found out about the early Boston scene and Al's impact on stuff, he's always been sort of a hero of mine, which feels a little silly to say, but it is appropriate and I'm happy to have been able to connect with him a Little bit before his passing last year. And he gave some kind words and some blessings for the show and for what we do and said he, like, digs what we do. He could tell we. We care about what we're doing. And he's really kind and really cool. And I'm just glad that he saw what we were trying to do and that we do respect and appreciate his impact as much as we do.

[Bowen]

His mark on hardcore is. Is endless and will live forever. And, you know, as. As lifelong Straight Edge guys, you know, Minor Threat may have created the message, but it can be argued that SSD is responsible for the movement. You know, like, who knows if it would have ever gotten past being a song if not for people like Al bands like ssd. So we. We cannot thank him enough. We. We owe him. We owe him an enormous amount of gratitude just in terms of his artistic input, his cultural input. He's the man.

[Unknown]

He's the man.

[Bowen]

He was incredibly kind to us. He was incredibly kind to others and taught us that we got to stick together. Therefore, we shall. Thank you, Al. Rest in peace.

[Unknown]

It was a time when two straight Edge bands, you know, which. Which I don't know how you want to talk about Minor Threat as being a straight edge band, you know, whatever, but, like, they're the.

[Bowen]

They're the gods of it. No matter how you spin it. It came from them, you know, and.

[Unknown]

They played a show together. I think if I'm not mistaken, Ian got hit by a car before the show, like, in front of the venue.

[Bowen]

Wow.

[Unknown]

There's in the. How much art can you take? SSD book. There's like a segment about it that this was like the gathering of the tribes. This was like, hey, we. We're all into the same thing. We're a little more extreme. But let's. Let's do it. We'll play a show together.

[Bowen]

And SSC is clear, like fans of Minor Threat, you know, when.

[Unknown]

If you watch the Minor Threats that. I'm specifically talking about the SSD portion of the show. Just because, like, Al looks incredible. Spring is on his. Al would is doing this dive where he jumps and lands on his ass. It's like the craziest move. Whatever, but it looks awesome in pictures. Yeah, they. The songs go off the rails a couple of times where they just, like, stop. Because they, like, they're like, no, that's not the pot. Like, they don't. They don't play it right.

[Bowen]

We're just figuring out this whole music thing, guys. Give us a break.

[Unknown]

But if you Watch the Minor threats that they play straight edge. And you see dudes in SSD shirts like, singing along and like, they're like, this is it. This is the thing. And it's just like a cool little like, oh, it happened like this. This kind of two ships passing, like, happened, you know?

[Bowen]

Totally.

[Unknown]

And I.

[Bowen]

It's. It's weird to think about them existing in the same era even, isn't it?

[Unknown]

Yeah, I know.

[Bowen]

And when SSD is like, hey, we're gonna take this message.

[Unknown]

Yes.

[Bowen]

And we're gonna. We're gonna keep going. We're gonna. We're gonna evolve it, militarize it and militarize it. Yeah. Really beautiful, man. Minor Threat, what it's all about. That's why we're here. The homie Ian, friend. A new friend of the show. Ian. Okay. My second to last pick.

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Bowen]

Is Mad Ball. Wetlands, 1996.

[Unknown]

Remember a band called Agnostic Front.

[Bowen]

As you all know, that's the family.

[Unknown]

That's our family. That's how we got started. I'm gonna hand the mic over to my brother Raj, original bass player for Nasi Curl.

[Bowen]

Raj Kabula, original. This is it. This is Mad Ball. And their prime constant mosh start to finish. Freddy's energy 100 the entire time. Perfect set list. First three records only mid set. As you said earlier, they invite not only Roger, but AF plays power and victim and pain. They were broken up.

[Unknown]

Oh, really?

[Bowen]

So this is an impromptu, unannounced AF reunion.

[Unknown]

Holy that.

[Bowen]

That the band would have such a great time. They would the next day begin the two night AF reunion later at the same venue the same year. So this. And you hear Roger on stage being like, my little brother, Freddy, I love you, you know?

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Bowen]

It's giving me goosebumps right now, just talking about it. Telling his little brother in front of a sold out crowd that he loves him and everybody hugging after just two songs. It's unbelievable. And Freddy says something during this set about, there's a lot of good bands out there, but if you're just getting into hardcore, you need to remember the Roots.

[Unknown]

We always like to.

[Bowen]

Like I said before, we always like.

[Unknown]

To pay respects and want everybody out.

[Bowen]

There to remember the Roots.

[Unknown]

Hold up. There's a lot of good bands out there. Now, don't get me wrong, if you're just getting into the scene, it's all good.

[Bowen]

Just remember the Roots.

[Unknown]

Don't ever forget it.

[Bowen]

And ultimately, that's exactly why we do this. And it's the same sentiment we share every single week. This set is in it's 40 minutes of mad ball.

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Bowen]

And it's. Oh, it's. It's hit after hit after hit after hit. It's perfect.

[Unknown]

I'm really. I don't particularly know this one. Very excited to watch it.

[Bowen]

You are going to start it and watch the entire thing and, dude, the energy is insane. It's wall to wall mosh. And sing along for 40 straight minutes.

[Unknown]

What. What was.

[Bowen]

And then af.

[Unknown]

What was the wetlands?

[Bowen]

I don't know. I. It's always just. It's the. It sounds so wet, you know, I just. It always makes me think people are walking in there, like, oh, God. But, yeah, man, this is unbelievable. I sat down. This is another one where before we started, I was like, I'm watching this whole thing.

[Unknown]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Bowen]

Can't believe it.

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Bowen]

I'll probably watch it again when we wrap this. It's the best set list I've ever seen. New York City's on there. Set It Off's on there. It's all hits and just the Vibe is off the charts. I would have loved to have been at this.

[Unknown]

So. Because we chose a couple of the same ones, I was just reminded of one that I have to include. So it's an impromptu addition, but love it. It's one of my favorite videos. And I. Here's the beauty. I know it's one of your favorite videos. You're gonna know the year. So I don't even need to worry about it. Carnivore reunion.

[Bowen]

Oh, yeah.

[Unknown]

This is Bensonhurst, Brooklyn. And you got a right to hate who you want. So let's start busting heads.

[Bowen]

I have a live bootleg recording, and there is a live thing because he. Typo has been around, you know.

[Unknown]

Yeah. Yeah. This is.

[Bowen]

He's doing melodies.

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Bowen]

In all these songs that did not exist before.

[Unknown]

Right.

[Bowen]

So when we play Preacher man, there's a little thing I do during the breakdown where I say, carnivore, I'm a meat eater. I'd like to meet you. And I'm specifically calling back to the. The one time he sang it in this set that way.

[Unknown]

There is a thing that happens when they go into the fighting where the. The camera pans back, zooms out, and it's at Lamore. Right? Right.

[Bowen]

I think so.

[Unknown]

And there is not. There isn't a single person not.

[Bowen]

Not moving. It is.

[Unknown]

It looks awesome. He sounds incredible. The band sounds incredible.

[Bowen]

Isn't Kenny playing?

[Unknown]

I. I can't. I don't.

[Bowen]

I think. I'm pretty sure Kenny's playing guitar okay.

[Unknown]

He's got, like, just a bandana and, like, he's growing his hair out or, like, because he doesn't have full long hair yet. And. And it has been one of my favorite videos since I found out about Carnivore.

[Bowen]

It's the. It is the definitive versions of these songs. I really wish a recording, like, a proper recording was done of this, but I'll. I'll settle with the. The weird live bootleg I've got. It's. I listen to this more than I listen to the records because of the. Just the way he. The little sprinkles of. Of new. Of typo that he adds in there. There are incredible.

[Unknown]

Yeah. It's one of my favorite videos of all time. I can't believe it wasn't automatically on my list, but I'm glad I thought about it.

[Bowen]

But thought, you know, I kind of went pure hc, you know, and, like, you can make the argument Marauder wanted.

[Unknown]

To be them, so I'm gonna.

[Bowen]

You're right. You're right. C sharp. Like Carnivore.

[Unknown]

All right, let's talk about our number one.

[Bowen]

Here we have my. What I think is the. The. The most definitive live hardcore video of all time. Breakdown live at Tompkins Square Park. All right.

[Unknown]

This was called Kick Back.

[Bowen]

Sa. This is a year after the demo. Bo.

[Unknown]

It's right.

[Bowen]

People are slamming outdoors. And this is another thing where it's a miracle that this exists.

[Unknown]

It exists. And it's. Everyone. Everyone who is listening to this or watching this, who has seen this video knows exactly why it's number one on our list, 100%. It is such perfect. It's a perfect example of hardcore, of live.

[Bowen]

100%. It's something that somebody sat me down to watch at 14 years old, and. And I'm thankful for.

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Bowen]

And this is our way of doing that to all of you, I'm sure much. You're much older than 14, but if you've never seen this before, welcome.

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Bowen]

Welcome to Hardcore. It's. They sound identical to the demo.

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Bowen]

Which makes me think the demo was just a raw live recording, which is incredible. Kickback Pit is a graceful war zone. Jeff doesn't miss a single word. And you witness, like, in real time, the development of a legendary frontman.

[Unknown]

You know, he sounds great.

[Bowen]

He sounds perfect. I would say, dude, even in 88, you look at how many photographers and, like, and people there are on stage.

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Bowen]

And I look at that now and I go, thank God.

[Unknown]

Good point, man.

[Bowen]

It may. So in the moment, it may be like, These photographers. But, dude, you're gonna be glad you have the memories someday.

[Unknown]

And, you know, this is probably the hardcore set that I've watched the most.

[Bowen]

Yeah. And it's not even particularly insane.

[Unknown]

No, it's just. But when the Dan Dink goes out to the crowd and it's. Everyone's just. And.

[Bowen]

And everyone's moving, dude.

[Unknown]

And who is. Is. Is Chaka in this video?

[Bowen]

Probably.

[Unknown]

There's. There's a guy in a purple striped shirt who gets on stage at one point and just skanks for, like, 30 seconds.

[Bowen]

I would love it if it was Chaka. I would love it if. If Chaka was in every single one of these in some way.

[Unknown]

He's the. He's the. He's like the Time Hopper, the Common.

[Bowen]

Yeah. Chaka was actually DB Cooper as well.

[Unknown]

This is a perfect video. This is my favorite kind of hardcore. My favorite kind of mosh style. All, like, the styles period are awesome. Awesome. Also, it's a cool thing to know that, like, Thompson's. Thompson Square park is where Thompkins. Thompkins Square park is where punks and homeless people hung out. And, like, that's it. Like, it was the punk place.

[Bowen]

Yeah.

[Unknown]

That you could go and hang out and not be, like, bothered, which is also cool that when shows started happening again.

[Bowen]

Yeah.

[Unknown]

That's where Mad Ball played.

[Bowen]

Yeah. Post Covet, the big. The big outdoor comeback hardcore show. Was there.

[Unknown]

Was there.

[Bowen]

People were a little up in arms about it at the time, but, you know, you can. You can look back in hindsight and think that, you know, it was just a celebration of this thing that they missed and loved.

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Bowen]

In a. In a very special, important, very historic place.

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Bowen]

It's cool to know once. Once we. Once you go there, A seven was what the venue is called. Right.

[Unknown]

Right where we went. Yeah, yeah, yeah. A7 right across the street. Yeah.

[Bowen]

Like, feet away.

[Unknown]

Yeah. Yeah. From time. Yeah.

[Bowen]

Little hardcore hub, dude. It's just where this thing that we know and love was, was born and developed and prospered.

[Unknown]

Mike took us there and they. The. The whole A7 is like a bar now, but they keep the back. They, like, preserve it.

[Bowen]

The stage, that tiny stage.

[Unknown]

Little stage. And we got to go. And it was just us. It's just me, Colin and Mike and. Yeah, I don't think Rob was with us even. We just were back there. It was awesome. That was really.

[Bowen]

And we got ice cream cones at the ice cream place across the street, which I guess was the. The old Head NYHC hangout.

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Bowen]

That was the Move is you. You go to get an ice cream cone after the gig.

[Unknown]

Yeah, it's like a. Like a little.

[Bowen]

That's my kind of hangout, you know, and all.

[Unknown]

And. And so this is more or less our list, but, like, there's so many others. We could make 20 of these episodes. There's totally Misfits in Detroit. There's Minor thread at the 9:30 club. Like, there's AFI. Like, we didn't even really get late. I didn't even talk.

[Bowen]

Yeah, this is. I mean, this is. This is. This is 101.

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Bowen]

You know, we can do 102.

[Unknown]

Yes, we can.

[Bowen]

The list, there's thousands. We didn't even talk about the no justice video, you know?

[Unknown]

No. No.

[Bowen]

You don't have any more.

[Unknown]

No, that was it. We. We shared the same number one. That's my favorite one. Oh, yeah. It's the best. It's the. I know.

[Bowen]

It's the best one, dude. I. I feel like we should just put the entire thing right now after this video, but just. We'll link it instead.

[Unknown]

Watch these. Emulate this.

[Bowen]

Yeah, this is. This is a good blueprint of. Of what to do. This. This is hardcore. Welcome. Hello. We'll see you next week. It's. We'll get back some interviews soon. We just wanted to have, you know, do something fun, share some things we love. Hardcore is the best thing in the world.

[Unknown]

I'm gonna listen to Breakdown right now.

[Bowen]

Oh, yeah, I can't wait.

[Unknown]

On my way to go see Cannibal Corpse, by the way.

[Bowen]

Oh, there you go. I'm Cannibal Course Pro. You know, Course Grinder is probably like demo rules, dude. Corpse Ground is gonna be like Tompkins. Great set. Parkour is the best and everybody knows it, Even Corpse Grinder. Okay, so that was our show this week. It was a short one, but my God, that I have a blast.

[Unknown]

Yeah, it's awesome.

[Bowen]

All right, thank you all so much for watching. We will see you next week. Bye.