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Foreign. Hello. Welcome. It's hard Lore time. How are you, Beau? I'm doing so well, Colin. How are you? Fantastic. It is a. It's a momentous occasion. You know, we. We made it through another year, 52 weeks straight of original stuff. If you include the intro to this compilation episode. Yeah, there you go. Yeah. We didn't miss a week. Didn't miss a week. We're tired, we're shot, but we're fulfilled, you know, And I think watching all of this back to make this compilation and to figure out what's going on here really made it resonate with us how successful and how big this year was in terms of just our sheer output. Output. Guests like frequency. Yeah, everything. It felt really good. I loved going back and choosing my clips and stuff, and I just. I had a grand old time. I laughed out loud several times. Me too. And there's just. We learned so much this year. You know, stuff like the Paris episode and 12 hits from hell and Stigma. That's like bucket list stuff. Yeah, that's. That's. That's stuff that young Colin and Bow would never, ever believe we were going to do. That's what I'm saying. Or just like, could have used so badly. Oh, God. Great point. So, you know, we're honored to be the people putting this stuff out into the world, but, you know, and we're grateful and it wouldn't be possible without you. The watcher, the listener. Without Steven, our editor, Carrie, who makes our thumbnails, who has been killing it. Steven is tirelessly working around the clock to get this shit done. Truly don't know what we would do without him at this point. Carrie has brought a visual unity to the two thumbnails. There's. It's really. She's got a system. Yeah, they're looking good. Chris Hudson from Not Fest. Oh, the. The bot. The boss man who greenlit this show many years ago and is the reason it's still going. Believed in us. That's right. Cosmic Joke and Greenwich, our first two releases. We started a label this year that's pretty crazy. It's pretty sick. Yeah. Firestarter as well. Put a single 12 inch coming next year. Just you very soon. And you know, Taylor Young, who we did in person episode there. He's the. He's like the. One of. One of the moral, mental backbones of the show, in a way. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I could see that. And if something goes wrong, he's the first. Tell me about it. So unless we forget, of course, our community itself, the discord The Patreon. The Patreon subscribers. We're very grateful to you guys. Absolutely. Every day. Now sit back, relax, and get ready to reminisce on this incredible year we have, or catch up on some moments you may have missed and enjoy the best of hard lore. 2024. There was nobody that treated me poorly. You're tough to treat poorly, Maddie. Yeah, I can't even imagine you. That's. Yeah, that's user error. If somebody's got a problem with you, it's on them 100%. Read the manual. Figure it out. I was gonna say, if somebody was mean to me, I'd be like, kill yourself. My favorite band is Lamb of God. Really? Yeah. D. Randall, Ella. Hate Breed. Their pits are gnarly. You ever spin cake? Huh? You ever spin cake? No. I'm not brave enough. We'll get there. I used to write you on the side of my head. Wow. And I was a total punk rock. And my first time I ever got arrested was at a Suicidal Tendencies concert. Unbelievable. Check him out. You ever spin kick? Yeah, back in my old days. You don't hit the pit anymore? No, I mean, I used to. I started going to shows in, like, 2006, 2007. You like Marauder? What? Marauder. Do you like them? You don't know? Yeah. You gotta listen to Marauder. I will. Oh, she loves it. Look at her face. Let's go. Do you listen to music at all? Yeah, like in the. In the airport center? Oh, yeah. 2000s. Like pop or R and B or. Or like some rapper. What, you like Lady Gaga? Oh, yeah. Do you like Hate Breed? Who? What? Hate Breed. You like them? What is that? Check them out. Get into it. You'll like it. Trust me. Love them. You ever hear the Chrome Mags? No. What is that? Sounds like this. Pretty good. Pretty good. You like Marauder? Sorry? Marauder. You like them? I. I'm mad at names. I just turn it on. I let it play. That's what I'm talking about. Yeah. Knock Loose is sick comeback, kid. I don't know. Old school, Christian, hardcore. But not anymore. Not anymore. Nice. Not anymore. So, can I ask you guys a question? Of course. All right. What is your. It doesn't have to be before a breakdown, even though the best ones usually are. But of all the hardcore songs you can think of right now, what's your favorite like line before that? I'll tell you mine first. Oh, okay. Go ahead. My favorite is when the shit keeps piling up. Get a shovel. Oh, no. Expire. Bay. Expire. Yes. That's my favorite one. Or one other one. Rest assured that with a heart that's pure, well made, with joyous. Not that. All right. Get the best of us. Move. Do you listen to any heavy music? Anything aggressive? Terror, the Goats, Easy as Are. I don't know them. Don't do it right now. Don't do it right now. I can't hear anything. Pretty good. Did you plan to quit and take those songs with you? Of course there are songs. So what happened there? We didn't. You know, there was no Internet. There was no connection. There was like, you know, you don't know what's going on behind the scenes. And Harley went off and, like, found Doug, found John Joseph, made a deal for a. Made a record deal with Century Media. And, you know, I didn't know it was a race. I couldn't imagine in my wildest dreams that somebody would record our songs. Yeah, right. Especially since the whole time he was telling us how terrible they were and how he had a whole album written. So he went into the studio and he basically took every demo and everything that. Every riff that he ever heard that I wrote and recorded them. And that's why there was all those extra rifts to make that other Near Death Experience album. But I remember going to, like, while they were recording. I remember seeing Gabby Bullarage. The guy. Yeah. Played guitar on that album because he was a friend with my friend Marco. I mean, I know him. I. I knew it was his brother Marco. And I saw him and I went up to him and I was like, man, you know, he. Because I assume he didn't know. I just. You know, to me, I just assumed that everybody carries the same moral compass that I. Right. Especially if you're an artist. So I thought if he knew, he wouldn't be a part of it. So I went up to him and I basically told him the whole story. It's like me and this guy, Rob Buckley, wrote this album. We wrote all these songs. And so even then, standing there face to face with him, I could see he was struggling with this idea of, well, now it's just always word against theirs. And. Which is something I completely understand. And I said, but are there any other songs that you guys are recording that are not from that one demo? Because he was explaining to me how, like, he learned all these songs of this demo that me and Rob made. And I said, I'm just curious. Like, there's a bunch of riffs that I have that weren't on that demo, like. And I honed him. The riffs to Other side of Madness. Is there one that goes dang. And yeah. Yeah. And he goes, he goes, yeah. Why? Because. How do you know that riff? I go, what do you mean? I said, I wrote it. I'm telling you, I wrote it. He goes, he just stood there and he goes, now I know you're telling the truth. Why? He goes, because we had, we, we, we had all the songs that were going to be for the album. But about a week ago, Harley came to me and said, I just wrote a new song. And he showed me that, and I said, well, if he just wrote it, how did. Right. Because I hadn't been involved with them for like a year. Wow. And he goes, wow. And that's when he looked at me. He goes. He goes, oh, now I know you're telling the truth. He goes, before, when you were just talking about this demo, you could say you wrote it. You could say he wrote it. Yeah. I mean, even though, you know, all you have to do is do the math. I mean, you as a guitar player know that Harley didn't write those, like, all those Harmonic Minor Metals. I mean, those riffs are insane to the point where I, like, I, I, I, if, if I was in Harley's situation, I would think in that moment, these aren't even stealable. These are insane. What he did was he found a competent guitar player like Gabby and handed them demo. He handed him the demo and said, learn these songs. Even Gabby told me that day when we talked, I said, what about the. He goes, even the solos. Gabby plays all of Rob's solos. Off that, off that, off of the demo. And I said, why would you do that? He goes, well, Harley said that he hummed the solos to Rob. I just started laughing. Being at shows. Yeah. Not participating necessarily the way that they would have 15 years ago. Yep. Because. And, and let me say. Disclaimer. What are we doing right here? Yeah. Come on. You know, I, obviously, I have many feelings on this. I think that I get concerned. I realize the grave irony of this comment where we are. Yes. I get concerned about local ass gigs, like, local gigs, regular local bands where nobody is filming and everyone is hanging out and there's 75 people there. Like, that needs to continue, like, really, really hard. And I think that, like, obviously there's like an inertia to more of, like, events. And I think it's been great because I think it's good for people. I think it's, I think there's like a social element that I feel like I Didn't really have hardcore. Like, I didn't have friends going to hardcore like kids do now. And I think, like, around the country or in Long island online. I mean, I had some on Long island, but, like, not to the ext. Yeah. Now people are like, oh, my buddy in Saskatoon, it's like, wow, how did you do that? You know what I mean? But no, I think, like, so there's. There. That's where it's great, but, like, there's. It can't be, like, at the detriment of regular hardcore. I see what you're saying. Where nobody is there to do anything but, like, hang out and jet bands. Like, I. Everything can't always be that sick. Yeah. Like, it's good. It's impossible. It's impossible. It's good to have regular shows and regular expectations. Regular shows, regular expectations. Yeah. I definitely. I think there is. There is definitely an element that I've seen of that over the years changing. I think there's. It's kind of two sides of the same coin where. Yeah, I can see exactly that. And then I can see how beneficial social media has been to this kind of music because the kids are so young. It's a really good thing. Love it. But then it's also missed that for a while the median age was like, 25. Now it's also 21. The diversity that, like, females, everything, it's amazing. It's never been. It's never been more diverse. There's so many unbelievable benefits from it. I just think the benefits. I'll say this, the benefits drastically outweigh the negatives. I think it's a numbers thing too, because you can go out there and watch, like, during TUI and see 100 phones up. Yeah, but they're filming 400 people participating in a show. Yeah. You know, I mean, it's kind of a numbers thing, too, where if someone takes a picture of the people holding up their phones. Yeah, that looks crazy. But then turn the camera and. Yeah, that's fucking crazy. Yeah. I also feel like I'm biased because, like, I don't really like watching live sets, except for I'm big into Euro Metal Fest. Like Cannibal Corpse at Vakan. Oh. All day long I'm watching that. But, like, you love Nasty, too. Oh, yeah. Your number one Nasty fan. You're the best. Biggest American Nasty fan. Yeah. Yeah. There's probably some contenders. Do they know? They know that. Yeah. Absolutely. Sick. Yeah, I love them. Shout out to Nasty. They're. They're an unbelievable band that doesn't get talked out, talked about as n hard as nasty. Dude, please, please. I check them out. Yeah, they're. They're an amazing band. I'm a huge fan. Unironic, by the way. Just to be clear. I'm a stand. No, they're awesome. I love the music video in the tour bus where they're like air guitaring. They. I mean, that's genius. It's unbelievable. It's genius. We need to do something. There is a video of Maddie dancing at. At a show, and it is the awesomest, funniest, sickest thing ever. He is like. He does these like little kickies kind of in the air, just obviously to like, make his band laugh, which is like very like up my. Up my alley. He's like, pitting and like, he's got like, swag for days. Like, I can only dream of having that kind of swag. No, it's. It's an amazing clip. They. They just. They got their own thing going and they rock so. Little song called Fucking Hash Pipe Brother. Let me tell you a story I think I've told on the show before. Okay. The first vinyl record I ever owned was a hash pipe 7 inch single. I'll tell you what I did. I put it on the wrong RPM because I didn't know that was a three. Yeah. And what I heard was it goes. And I was like, I found the music that I like. Weezer in hash pipe at 33 RPM defined what I look for in music. The first domino, Dude. The first one was Hash Pipe. At the same time as Grimlock Thirst for Immortality, I had hash pipe 33 RPM. It's the heaviest thing I've ever heard to this day. When I first heard it, I was like, how can anyone palm you at that fast? Because it was very. Didn't your dad say no one can play that fast? That was One with the underdogs or Spit My rage. That was Spit my rage. I was just trying to learn how to do triplets and my dad walked through his. His office where all the equipment was. He was like, ah. They only had to play it once in the studio. Like, impossible, you know? Yeah. But I literally. Because what's the BPM? It's like 120. It's like the most easy. The. The easiest ho to py. And I was like. I was like 10 or whatever. And I was like, I can't believe this. I'll never be able to do this. I can't. And I barely. Yeah, I mean, it's pretty Much the hardest song ever. And I don't agree with what he's saying. Is it about. Is obviously I know what a hash pipe is, but is that what the song is about? I mean, probably like you. He's like, yeah, you guys are all stressed out and, you know, you got your problems. I don't give a. I got my hash pipe. I just didn't have tools. You just wanted him to do it. And he's. He's a guy. He's a man. He's a man. And I was but a boy. And he like. There's like a snowy winter in Michigan and my tire was flat and I had no. No tools. So you called him or what? I think so, yeah. And he wasn't even in true love yet, I don't think. And he just came by and took my tire off and went and got it patched up. And he mentioned something about drawing pockets on your jeans. Can you tell me about that? Dude, I'm surprised. Did you ask him or does that. Is that a birdie? Colin is doing this bit now where he, like, gets dirt on the guests. And I don't even know that he. I don't have much, so it's not much to have on him. He's a secretive guy. I'm not a secretive guy. The Braxton shit was crazy. That was crazy. That was awesome. That's the new band, I guess. Just an incident in high school. Okay. That's all. That's. We'll leave it at that. All right, let's hear this Strange Darling story. Oh, is that what you would. Yeah, I went to see Strange Darling last night. It seems great. You wouldn't know. I wouldn't know. I'm done with AMC theaters. Once and for all, it's over. Use this time, Colin. Use this platform. Use this time as your ps. I'm going to use it because listen, amc, you're. You should be ashamed of yourselves. It should not be my job as your customer to enforce your policies in your theaters 100%. You should have people standing on each corner telling people to shut the fuck up and put their phones away. Yesterday I had to deal with. And I know when it's gonna happen. I can see when somebody's gonna be a problem. Do you get that anxiety? I get this horrible feeling. And the theater's dark, theater's silent. The movie is starting, and four people come up, phones on, flashlights on, talking full volume. Like, I think it's the last row, family sized bag of Cheetos. And I see that and I go, this is it. This is. This is going to be a problem. They're eat. They're talking over the, like, epic opening of this movie. Yeah. Strange darling. Which seems great. I'm a big Kyle Gallner guy. I've have been for a long time. I'm very happy to see him, you know, have a win. These four people aren't. Aren't shutting the fuck up. And I'm. My blood is boiling. I'm in combat mode, you know, where it's like, tonight. Tonight is the night, 100%. And I give him. I give him a stern shut up. And a lady in like, thick Russian is like, they sell the stuff here. You can eat it. They're eating. And I'm screaming at this point. So someone else, I'm like, third party talks to me because there's four people. And the one at the end, Lana's in between me and her, and she's yelling at me. Oh, my God. Packed here. And I'm yelling at her, you're in a fucking movie theater. Shut the fuck up. And then she's like, you shut up. And I'm like, no, you shut up. So, and then Lana's sitting in between, just like this. And I'm sitting there, like, I'm stretching at this point, you know, because it's. It's two. There's two guys. Yeah, yeah. And I'm like, okay, I'm fighting both guys. Yeah. I'm. I'm mentally preparing, like, okay, the movie's ending, and then I'll have to fight you guys at the same time. So I'm stretching a little bit. You know, I'm in my seat, like, getting ready. I'm taking things out of my pockets. I'm just getting ready. And then one of our Erica leaves because she's like. She can feel the tension. There's. Detention is insane. So then they start eating louder. They start, instead of talking, are like, oh, my God. As and for provocation. And I can't take it anymore because then it's like, okay, it's. It's. It's leave or jail. This will not stand. It will not stand. It's. It is like, engage in Combat 2v1. Or just leave this. This theater and watch this great movie somewhere else. Anywhere else than AMC Theaters. How deep into the movie were you? 15 minutes. It seems great. You're giving me anxiety. Right. I can't wait to finish it someday. I mean, the movie is. The opening is pure anxiety. So I'm feeling everything that she's feeling. Essentially, they Are him. I'm her Thomas. You know that makes sense to you. You've seen it. I haven't seen it. So I leave and I in the lobby cancel my stubs. And now I will make it my lifelong goal to. To crush this corporation by any means necessary. Do you say anything on your way out? No. Just because, you know, why bo. There's. There's 400 other people in there trying to watch this movie. Of course. And you know, in. In my. In my Conquest for peace. Yeah. I create war. Yeah. You know. Yeah. And that. That. And I realized, like to some people in here, maybe I'm the bad guy and I can't have that. They're a bunch of doves. They're not willing to do what needs to be done. They can't do it. But I shouldn't have to do it. That's what I was going to say. Is the. The Russian woman correcting you is in the wrong hundred? There is no. In that moment you were being valiant. Should have supported you 100. I applaud anybody who's what. Because I get real, real hinky. I'm like, I want to say something, but I also like, I don't. I live in Atlanta. You could possibly get shot for even asking someone to get out of this. Your. Your Pre registered seat. 100%. Yeah. And I understand that. And I. And it's like it's not that different here. You know, I've had confrontations with guys who could fuck me up. Yeah. So it's like you. You being brave enough to say something. She should have been like. Yeah, the whole theater should have backed me up because they were. You could. They were. You could hear them in Fuck on the fucking. The Super Mario World, you know. Yeah. It was that, you know, was at the Universal amc which is a lawless wasteland. So I should have known better. But it's over. I'm never going again. Well, a few things. One, I'm sorry you missed that movie because I was just saying that I think it's. I think it's the best movie I saw this summer. Dude. The opening, I was like, this is going to be the movie of the year. But I saw a lot of stuff this summer that was a let down. And I thought that was the best movie I saw this summer. Two, the best tweet I saw this summer was people aren't going. Are not going to the movies because they don't like, they don't care about seeing movies in theaters. They care about theaters not holding up their Policies. Oh, dude, why would I want to pay 30 goddamn dollars to Listen. Listen to kids? I. Nothing, nothing makes my skin jump more than children. Because I. My profession, where it's like, why are these goddamn kids in here at 11 o'clock? Hell yeah. They don't understand, like, complex rated R movie. Dude. They have no out. They don't. Kids aren't aware that, like, we can kill all of them. And I'm sorry, I know you're a teacher. I don't want to get you in trouble for that. He didn't say that. I did. Like, I'm so much stronger than every kid combined. How many you think you could take, kid? Like, how. What. What grade? Standing in a gymnasium. Tile floor. Yeah. You're. You're dressed however you want to dress. Yeah. Spin kick. God. Say shorts. They could be on. You got a stream of kid. A stream of kids. Let's say every 10 seconds, grade one. Grade one. Every 10 seconds another one comes a first grader. First grader. Thousand. No, thousands. Okay, but that's still. Even if you're just kicking 10 seconds. I need one second per kid. If you're kicking one every 10 seconds, that's still you kicking like five tons. Yeah, that's good. All I have to do is get them on the ground and their brains are jelly. Would you use one as a weapon? And 100 easily. Dude, you can make a barricade out of the human shield with the. Through the shirt. Yeah. You know? Yeah. And I'm not saying I want to do this. You just. But they should know that it's an option. They should know it's in a movie theater. I really don't. I don't care for, like, policing. I don't care for like, civil. What is it called? Citizen arrests in any way outside of movie theaters and airplanes. Airport. Because realistically, this is the literal one place in the world where you can't do this. Yeah. Like, if your goal is have a conversation, hang out with friends and. And like, talk at all. Don't go anywhere else. Go anywhere. Yes. In the world. I've expressed that. I've yelled that on the show before. So I won't do it free. You can do it for free for further places. You paid money to fucking talk with much bigger, cheaper snacks. That's how good you got it. People are being killed. We sitting here trying to make showers more interesting. Right. It's like Bo's protein soda thing. Nah, that was cool, though. But they're doing it with. With sleeping stuff, which is kind of Kind of sick. But. But Bo's not, Bo's not trying to push it on me by like being in a towel with a little bit of titty me showing talking about everything. Shower. I see what your breath is. See now I didn't factor that in. Wash your hands and shut the up right now. Wash your. I would love to know what is a thing that you like, hate the most. That is the most common pop. Like a thing that like you see you can't stand. So a thing that I do and I do with every band and I have to eat pro often and apologize but it's who I some band will come out and if like too many of the wrong people like it, I fucking hate it. I can't give it a non biased engagement because I have that much disdain for what's going on. Sure. I mean that is a tale as old as time where sometimes the. The fan base misrepresents ruins what you're hearing, you know. But that's like as a typo negative guy. Sure. I can't stand for what the majority of that world is. Yeah. Like that's not just not your bay. It's not my bag. But the tunes are the tunes. When you feel that way about a band and then like 10 years later something happens and you go I knew it. I knew it. Or it sucked. Yeah. It's always like about a guy too. You know what I mean? Like I'll meet someone and everyone's like with this guy. But something in my spirit is like nah. And then you find out like oh yeah, he tried to put his penis and girls when they sleep. I knew something's wrong with him. I knew it even worse when I go to press a out and then people like no, don't do it. Why'd you do that? And then years later that person got comfortable and when I should have broke his hand. You guys didn't want me to break his hand. Now he's using his hands to commit atrocities. But I could have took his hands away. Is it not every time. Every single time. Every single time. I have a newfound pet peeve. Yeah. That I've finally come to terms with that I've been waiting to talk about. Oh, do tell. In an event with audience participation when the first applause isn't loud enough. Oh, I see now you can do better than that. Let me. Let's hear it one more time. And if I have to do the second applause, I am promptly leaving the room. I don't want to be here anymore. I'm out If I wasn't what I. My best wasn't good enough, then I'm. I don't want to give you anymore. Especially when it's like, no, no, this is Omah. Oh, let's hear it. Yeah. Yeah. Then I'm. I'm going to Tulsa. Okay. What can you tell me about the most precious blood shopping cart incident? What do you get? Where are you getting these information? Dude, he leaves me in the lurch with all this dirt, and I'm. I'm along for the ride. So I think I want you to be excited, but is what you're not, right? I am invested immediately. You're right. A fun fact about me is in high school, I got my two front teeth knocked out. That was kind of your look for it. Well, yeah, yeah. Frankly, I didn't even know you fixed them, so. I can't hear you. I said, frankly, I didn't even know you fixed them. It's been a minute. We're gonna get there. Okay. I got him knocked out because we went to an abandoned hospital, my friend. We're, like, walking around in the dark. This is, like, the most fun. Yeah, like, oh, my God. Abandoned hospital. Like, this is sketchy. We do that now. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, there's probably ghosts in here. I want to see something take. Do you know where it is? Yeah, yeah, it's still there. Perfect. Coming soon. Yeah. There you go. My. And my friend from high school, his name's Chris Beaver, he's walking down the hallway with this PVC pipe that's about 23ft long, and he's dragging the front end of it across the ceiling. And the ceiling is like that drop tile stuff. Yeah, well, eventually gets caught in one of those, like, little brackets. I'm behind him, it's dark. Nobody can see what's going on. And so to get it out, he brings the front end down, like, yanks it down, but it brings the back end of the pipe up, and it just pops me in the face. Who's that? Who's that wrestler Colin that got it real good with the ladder? Wwe, I want to say Matt Seidel. It's obviously not Matt Seidel, but he likes bust is. It's a Hardy Boys thing. And he. And. And maybe I don't remember, but I can. I can imagine. I know, I know Cesaro lost some. Some teeth, and that was jumping into the ring post. And dude, he didn't lose him. They got pushed in. Yeah, terrible. But anyway, how old were you when that happened, Thomas? Oh, God, 16, maybe. Wow, so you rocked that for a while. No, no, I'm going to get there. So I, I. They get knocked out, I immediately swallow them. They get broken out and my. Both my lips get busted completely open and I swallow them. Dude, that double sucks because you swallow teeth and the tooth fairy doesn't give you anything. You're embezzling at that point. That's. Dude, terrible. And the sad thing is, it's like, because I'm doing something I'm not supposed to be doing, I need to come up with a story. But I also had to drive myself to my mom's work. It's like, not something like, like, we don't have cell phones all the time. I can't communicate this to her in a fashion. I can barely talk. So I'm in the passenger seat of my car. Chris is driving it. We're like stopping at red lights and I'm looking at people and they're looking at me and I'm just like, I look like leather face. Like, how, how many times did Chris say, I'm sorry? Oh, so much, dude. He thought I was gonna fight him. Yeah, I think I would to this, I mean, to this day. Does he ever like, hey, man, look at those teeth. And just be like, I did that? Yeah, probably. I mean, I haven't talked to him in years, but I feel so bad. Sorry. But go on. So you're in the car. So we're in the car, we go to my mom's place, and I'm like, hey, I need. You know, I call, I asked for her. I'm like, I need Laurie. She comes down and she just starts immediately crying. Now I'm like, mom, it's going to be okay. I'm not understanding now that I'm a parent with kids. I understand, mother. You just cost me so much money. That's why she's crying. Of course. You idiot. And then we have to make up some lie where I'm like, I got hit in the face with a baseball while we were playing or something like that. Yeah. Not because we had legally broken into this place. Hey, Marissa. Yes. Do you believe in ghosts? Yes, I do. Do you? Marissa has had maybe more consistent, active paranormal experiences than anyone I know. Damn. I take the title. You know what you've told me about, like, even like, your childhood in your home is wild. And then the real recent thing. Let's start with that. Yeah, please. Oh, yeah. Let's start with that. So our. Our good friend Kale passed recently. Drummer of Twitching Tongues. Marissa's ex boyfriend What. What did you do shortly after receiving that news? Well, I know a lot of people probably won't believe in this kind of thing, but I do mediums. I really wanted to see one. I've been wanting to see one for a very long time. This is your first time? Yeah, this was my first time. I've, like, read my own tarot and stuff in the past, but I've never gone to, like, an actual medium. Um, so I went to one. Well, I've lost a lot of people that were close to me growing up. Family, friends. So when this Kale thing happened, it was like, okay, I've been wanting to do this, but now I'm actually going to do this, because I'm just like, you never know what'll come through. Just looking for any kind of solace. Yeah. In it. With this. A Yet another tragedy in your life, you know, for sure. And I went into it, like, still kind of skeptical. I was like, I don't know what this is going to be like. Right. You know, but it was really cool. And Kale definitely came through. And. Can you. Yeah. Can you elaborate? I'm hearing this, and I'm like, what do you mean? Kale definitely came. Right. And, like. But, like, we know Kale really well. Obviously, there's no way that this medium would have had all the information or knowledge of Kale's. Just his behavior that we have. Yeah. Can you. Can you tell Bo what you experienced? Yeah, I'm trying to think of, like, the funniest, like, how to even. Like, where do I start? Yeah. But obviously, like, other people were coming through, too. My grandma, my brother Robert. My God, who else came through? My uncle. But Kale kept coming right back in, which was very Kale style. Like, it would. He kept interrupting. Like, the medium would be, like, telling me something that my grandma's telling me, and he'd be like, hold on, there's something that this person's trying to say next. Which was hilarious because Fairy Kale style. I'm gonna pull my phone out for this. Okay. Oh, you wrote it down, didn't you? So the medium starts laughing out of nowhere and goes, did this person make a lot of funny voices, like, mimicking people, like, just making these, like, Kermit voices or like. And I was like, yes, he did. And he's like. He keeps doing them, like, this whole time, and it's really funny. Well, he didn't say, but, you know. Yeah. And then he goes, did this person experience, like, a big amount of hearing loss? Wow. I was like, yes. From what I've been told, yes. Yeah. Yes, he sure did. And I was like, yes. And he's like, well, he keeps making jokes to me to tell you to, like, keep wearing earplugs so you don't end up like him. Like, holy. This is crazy. Yeah, this was crazy. But he. The medium was like, did you guys share something, like, artistic together recently in real life, like, in person? And I said, yeah, we did, actually. We. I didn't say what we did because I wanted to, like. Yeah. If it was really. Yeah. And he goes, well, he's telling me that you guys did something artistically together recently, and he got to see what you did in real life, and he was very proud of you, and he wanted me to tell you that. And he. That was, like, a really great day for him. And he's right after our Gilman show. Yeah, the Gilman. One of the last shows that he played with us. Yes. Twitching tongues, Flush, water, Harm's way, ingrown jive bomb. To say the lineup. Cruelty. Yes. Yes. Cruelty. How could I forget? And I was like, oh, my God. And then he said, also, he's telling me that he wants you to tell whoever he was artistic with that he's thanking them for, like, continuing his legacy and that he is watching and he loves all of them. So basically his band members. She's telling me this as I'm editing the tribute thing. Yeah. Like, I'm in the middle of editing the tribute video, and she's at my house telling me this. Yeah. Like, I seem put together right now, but when this was happening. Yeah. I was like, yeah, of course. Yeah. It's. Yeah, it was pretty crazy. There's a lot more. The. The guy goes, did this person like, weed? And I was like, yeah, you could say that. And he's like. He keeps making jokes to me about that, and I'm like, there's so many things that, like, I'm like, this can't be fake. Yeah. He also was like, he keeps showing me foxes. That was Kale's favorite animal. Favorite. All kinds of fox memorabilia. Had a big fox tattoo on his arm. Yeah. The medium goes, is there a Kathy? That rings a bell? That's his mom's name. He. Which I did bring this message to Kathy. Oh, wow. Yeah. He told me to tell her that she loves him, that he loves her, and just so many. He was making a lot of jokes. I'll say that, too. The interrupting thing killed me, because you're, like, talking to your grandma and thinking of Cale being back Being back and be like, marissa. Marissa is so. It's like, the most Cal thing imaginable. There was even at the end of the whole thing when, like, the. The dude was, like, signing off. Like, he was like, follow me on Facebook, like, and show me to your friends. Like, tell your friends about me. Then he goes, hold on. And I'm like, what? And he goes, that one person that was talking earlier has one more thing that he wants me to tell you. This is hilarious, because that's exactly real life. Yeah. But he made a joke about how much I loved Halloween. He's like. He just wants me to tell you that he doesn't want you to ever stop loving Halloween as much as you do. Oh. I was like, yeah. So that wrecked me, obviously. Yeah, obviously. Of course. It was very special. Yeah. And even if that was throwing blind shots at a dartboard, God. He killed it and he gave. It just gave us a little bit of relief. Yeah, Right. But it was huge also. I, like, I said I got to, like, hear things from my brother, which to me, was big. Yeah, Huge. Of course. Yeah. My grandma, I wear this necklace for her. It's like, three sevens, because she was really into gambling. Yeah. So am I. So was he. So are you both? Yeah. And I wear it for her. And the medium was like, my short little lady with short gray hair is telling me that she really appreciates the necklace that you wear for her and that it's like looking at these three necklaces on here. Yeah. Or two, two and a half necklaces on here. I wouldn't be like, one of those is definitely for grandma. Yeah. And. And also with, like, angel numbers being a thing. Yeah. Like, I would assume. I would profile Marissa and be like, oh, she's, like, in the numbers in, like, a spiritual way. Oh, that's for her grandma. Yeah, exactly. I would assume you just, like, gambling. Yeah, no, exactly. Yeah. So huge. I definitely believe in spiritual things. Oh. A few seconds after that, I'm already fuming hot. I'm on, like, the eighth line of the song. I. What? I feel this. This much like. Much like the Seinfeld episode where Newman gets hit by the spit. Oh, yeah, yeah. The. Yeah, the loogie. I feel something. Keith Hernandez. I've got my. Yeah, well, Keith Hernandez, who was innocent by. Yeah. I feel I have in ear monitors. Right. So I feel a sudden impact. Guys. I see us. I see somebody diving, and I feel like I get shot in the head. That's the only way I can describe it. So I. I then see. I look I feel like slow motion, as if I've been struck by a gun with a bullet in it. And I look down and I'm pissed. I look down and I see one Bowen Daniel looters singing up at me. And I. I shake my head for a second because I'm like you. And then I just embrace it. And then it led to this beautiful photo here. But. But before that beautiful photo. Vinny, how many times you done this walk, dude? I mean, a billion times. Probably every day, cuz. CVs is right there. All right, here we are in front of the world famous CBGB's in New York City. Wow. I've been coming here since before with CBGB's when it was still hillies on the bar. My house was right here. You were right there. You were right this. So this was like my neighborhood scrub bar. You know what I mean? Yeah. The neighborhood kids hung out here. There were bikers that have. But like hobos. Like people. Like years ago. There were like men just laying on all over the. Like, forget about it. It was like. And like how these people never got. Got sick or not like that, you know? Think the alcohol, you know? Yeah. Anyway, I played here a lot of years. I got a live album out of here. Hilly was always a good friend to me. He was always good to me. I mean, you know, he was like a manager. I used to load in on Sunday and as I'm loading in, like, well, coffee, Hilly. I'll go for coffee. Yeah. All right. I come. I come back with the Italian cookies. Forget about it. That was the. Love me every Sunday. I would do that. I would be a liar if I said I didn't like the broccoli cheddar soup. It's delicious. It's the worst thing for you that you eat, dude. It's like 1800 calories a cup. I see. I see ads for that at my gym. They're sponsored ads by Panera at my gym for the broccoli cheddar soup. Like, we got it here. Come on over. It's also hungry. You get in a bread bowl and it's like eating. That sounds awesome. They got bread bowls? Yeah, that was like their thing rebels at Panera. Bread. Oh, bread bowl. A bread bowl with half a sandwich is like a deal. Oh, yeah. Brandon, I need you to make me a deal. Sure. Before this airs. Okay. We need to all try the lemonade that kills you. Yeah, I would love to. Let's all. We can do it tomorrow. Yeah, we'll splice it in here. It is Oh, I can definitely do that. Hello, Colin and Bo. We're here at a beautiful Panera bread in Nanuette, N.Y. fireplace. Here, you can just fill this. This is one of the most beautiful paneras that I've been to. And we're going to try the death lemonade today. Okay. We're here today trying the Panera lemonade that kills you. First try, I'll do this on a scale from one to five heart attacks. Oh, it's actually, it's very good. It's unironically good. Can go 4.5. Heart attack, tastes like tea. You don't taste anything different. So that's going to be a problem because there's like 300 milligrams of caffeine in this. Honestly, pretty good. But I don't know if I ever need to drink it again. Update. Crashed, went home, took a nap. It's 8:38 in the evening. Band called Juice Box played. Dude, I've toured with Juice Box. Yeah, they're badass singers. A tatter. Yeah, they rip like New York hardcore vibes. The first Harm's Way tour was with Juice Box. Oh, then this has to be a different Juice Box. Okay. It's a brand new band called Juice Box for sure. From Texas, from Houston. Must be a different band. Also I might be thinking of a band called Juice Time. So you're awesome. Classic Bowman right there. Ounce of energy I have is getting, is getting used. Oh, I know what's, I know what happened. I remember. So every night I'm looking out at this at like this big, you know, there's a crowd of people at the front avoiding mosh. So I'm like, all right, this is a perfect place for me to, for me to take a tumble onto. So the first, first, first dive in San Antonio was the, was this the most beautiful front flip I've ever flipped? It was a very, very, just like gymnast esque front flip. Landed on my feet. And in the moment think said out loud, oh wow, I landed on my feet. Get back on stage. And I'm like, all right, well there's a whole other side. I gotta do this again. And you can see, you can see in this video that the crowd over there is only crowded because there's a big monitor there. So they're, they're hiding this monitor from me. So I'm, I, I go full send. Yeah, you're fully committed, you're full commit. And you can see in this video right here, my body thuds monitor thuds ground. Oh, there's A. There's a very distinct boom. Boom. I didn't feel a thing, luckily. That's good. That's good. Until. Poor boy. Yeah, right. But in that moment, it was like, all right, this is last moment. This is the last time I'm ever doing these four sets back to back again. I might as well go hard. That happened. Get back on stage, we're done. Immediately between. Between setting up both sets, a guy standing at the front going, hey, yo, let me get a pick. Let me get a pick. Pick. Picture. I'm drenched in sweat in ways you wouldn't believe, holding symbols, pouring sweat out of my ass. Wettest ass you've ever seen from sweat, as well as other things. Pick. Oh, my God, let me get a pick. Which is great, you know, I love that. Anybody wants that, of course, but, God, give me a minute, man. Give me a minute, brother. Give me one minute. Now, what can you tell me about the Brax challenge? Oh, no, this is like Nardoire. So, Preston, tell me about the Brax challenge. Yo, this is nuts. So it was my first, like, US tours with Wise. I don't know who is leaking this info, man. This is some artwork stuff. Yo. So I did not use the restroom. Number two vibes from LA to Atlanta. No, no. Yeah. How many days was that? How many shows? I mean, that's even. That drive is crazy. So I don't even remember. I remember the shows with Abuse of power, okay? At this spot called the Baker. The bakery. Okay, so you're saying to Atlantis, that means it happened Atlanta. Was there abusive toilet going on or what? I had the little booy hot chips, like, straight up, you know, like the rap snacks, dude. Yeah, I love the Fetty Wap one. This. This next one is going to break your brain in half. And no, no, this is easy, okay? Oh, fuck. We're going to argue. It's DSI all the way. Get Taylor on the line. There's no way Deicide is heavier than typo. Are you serious? Heavier than the world coming down. Yes. You're thinking you're too emotional here, dude. No, no, this is science and facts and logic. DSI versus typo. Talking about wanting to nail the Nazarene and kill God is heavy, but there is nothing heavier than constantly wanting to kill yourself, dude. Emotionally, sure. And, And, And. And that's a third of what we're talking about. Bide versus typo. Listen to yourself. I get it. I. Emotionally, this is my favorite band of all time. To say typo is way heavier than Deicide is is emotional. You're being reckless. I. I really don't think so. From. It's reckless from the tuning to, like, the. The China used on World. Coming down to the subject matter, tension is not even heavy with typo. That's not true. I don't think that the intention of this is, like. This is the heaviest song ever. I doubt they ever said that. Dude. They're slowed. Even hard. Honestly. They wanted to be a Black Sabbath. Of course they want to be the Beatles and Kiss, but. And. But there's a quote where one of them said, we covered Day Tripper because it's heavy. I know, but still heavy. Your whole thing is we are a mixture of Kiss, Black Sabbath, and the Beatles. That's what they say. Yeah. Di will say you. God. That's what we're. That's our influence. That's hard. It's badass is what it is. Of course it's badass. Don't. I mean, dude, I'm not saying the DI is bad. I'm just saying if we're talking heavy, this is crazy. Weight. This. Well, this is my favorite band. I know, but you think. You think. I don't hear where you're coming from. Last beats don't equal heavy to me, you know, And Typo doesn't have that. Deicide isn't all blast. I know they're not, but they have way more than Typo who have zero. Yeah. Yeah. That doesn't help your case. Of course it does. I just said that Blast speeds are not heavy to me, and Typo have none of them. They can be. They can be. You're right. They can't be. Like, Asuk is a very heavy. This is a. This is a crazy. He's. I'm telling you. Yeah, but it's kind of bad because I'm realizing you guys grew up the same, and you're going to. Of course you're going to agree. You. Oh, please feel free. If you've got. If you've got a judge you want to call in on us, James is. I think James is working around. Let me call him. Yo, you're on the podcast right now. We are doing a bracket of heaviest bands, and I need. I need your opinion. Okay, let's hear it. So we're on. On this one semi final bracket, we have Typo Negative versus Deicide for heaviest. Heaviest. Heaviest. Not hardest. Heavy. I mean, like, if we're going. What I like better, Clearly Typo Negative. But I mean, Once upon the Cross, I mean, is probably heavier in theory than anything typical. Negative. Heavier. Than. Than world coming down 100, I would say. Colin says 100. The side has harder parts if we're talking about heaviest comparatively. I like World Coming down better than anything DSI's ever done, but. Okay. I think this is heavy. Okay. James. James, I'll text you. Hold on. Someone else is calling. I'll text you back. Saa, what up, yo? You're on the podcast right now. He's on a boat. He's on a boat. He's on Harvey's Lake. Yo. We're doing a heaviest bands bracket. Okay. Yeah, yeah. We need your objective opinion. This is for heavy, not hard. Yeah. Heavy D aside versus Typo Negative. Who is the heavier band? Typo. No, Easily. Easily Typo by leaps and bounds. I. I would agree. Is that all you called me for? That's all I called you for, baby. We need an expert. That's simple. It's that simple. Yeah. All right. Typo Negative. By. By a head and a flank. Perfect. This is. This is not right. Colin's pissed. We've got. We're ties and double tie. Colin, get your ears checked. He says get your ears checked. Love you, buddy. No, no, no. All right, we got to get one more judge in before we can make this call. You're right. We do. Who you calling? Tyler Young. All right, so I. You know, we called others just in case, to get other opinions, and now we've got a double tie for this next bracket, which is, reiterate, heavy. And this is heaviest. But to me, the answer is clear. Typo Negative versus deicide. See? See? Okay, well, you were putting the brackets together. I said Typo negative shouldn't be on the brackets. So for heavy, I'm going with dsi. It's the aside. All right, that's what I said. So James Pliggy agrees. Saba says typo. Yeah, but he's special. Now, Alec, look at me. Depends on the band. Look at me. There. More. More cables and strings. Break the drums. Right? 100%. Okay, this is mean. More sticks are dropped. How did you line this? Hang on. How did you do this? Pure coincidence. Alec, name something most likely to break on stage. A part of my body. Show me. Alex. Yes. Yes. It worked. I want you all. I want everybody to think about the odds of that working. Our mutual friend Lars wanted us to ask about Robin Williams once being in here. Okay, I don't have the glass. I put it inside. Because I cleaned out my closets. Because the lady's coming out. I got a maid now. The lady's coming. The lady's coming tomorrow. Oh, she's coming tomorrow. And also the guy for my doorbell, My doorbell's out. These coming tomorrow. Both of them. 9:00 in the morning. So after you guys are gone, I gotta. So, yeah, Robin Williams, first of all, he had a day off. Course, Lars sponsored him in. In the alcohol or drug or whatever. So he had a day off. He came to my tattoo shop. Lars was tattooing. He used to do these little tattoos. Of course. Right. So Robin Wieskench. And we put it on the Internet that, you know, we're going to be tattooing. You get a T shirt, a tattoo stick, you know, you hang out with law, whatever, you know, for $100 or whatever it was, it was a good deal. It was just like a promo type thing. So Robert Williams was there all day long. And people that came in, of course, recognized him. Of course. They asked for his picture or autograph, something like that, which is cool. I didn't. Or none of us did because, you know, leave the guy alone. So after we did the tattoo thing, we went. He took us out to dinner. We all went to Indian restaurant and some guy ordered. I'll have the chicken vindaloo. The guy said, yeah, that sounds good. Let me try it. I'll try that next guy. Yeah, I'll try it. We all ordered chicken vindaloo. Right. It's hot. Spiciest thing. Yeah. So it was the wintertime. I had chapped lips. Oh. And I was eating the chicken vindaloom. I was like. And I was like. I was sitting right next to Robin. He's going, oh, hot lips Harold. And I'm trying not to make him be on. Yeah. You know. Yeah, yeah. I didn't want to, like, be. Tell me jokes. I didn't want to be that guy, you know, because. Yeah. So he's, like making fun of me, like, kind of. Okay, whatever. After that, we all came here, had coffee, cigarettes, and we started writing songs with Lars. Wow. Yeah, and stuff like that. Robin Williams writing some skinhead songs. We wrote a Stigma song he had with Robin Williams. We're Robin Williams around. It was Mike Robin. Well influenced by Robin Williams and Lars. Producer credit. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's got to be the only song he's ever produced. 100%. Yeah. Emotional crap. Aladdin and Stigma. Yeah, that's it. Before we do that, what's going on with you? Well, Colin, you want to bring this up now? It's. I mean, I guess we can. We can address it. Some footage has come to light that I'd like everyone to review. I was injured over the weekend during the Harm's Way set. Colin took some liberties. Oh, I heard you kicked him or something. He kicked me square. And I would like you to. To witness. It's a lie. Oh, wow. Hold on. I have it in slow motion. It's just multi angle. This is false. I'm gonna. I'll bring it over there for you guys to review. No, that's false. That was a kick. The foot went above the head. No, listen. There's no contact made. I was just showing him I could. How was it threatening on purpose? Like. Oh, I knew I saw his head. Oh, no, I didn't get it. Yeah. Head. His ab flies back everything and. And then you scared him. Sold it. You Rob Van Dammed him, dude. Wow. No, you sold it like a motherfucker. You're good at your job. You do. Damn. Yeah. And then just turns around, cold as ice. Steven walks away. You're the only person who can disprove this. I want another angle of his own. So what time did you wake up and make his head so hard he can't. Here's the thing. Remember anything? There was. There's 50 people on stage that can prove this wrong. I would never kick you. I just wanted you to know that your life. Hands and my feet. Okay. Stephen is a head trauma brother of mine as about 30 minutes ago. And he would. We walked to the theater to set up for this shooting and our videographer, Steven Beloved, slammed his head so hard into a doorway that he literally made the Looney Tune. He turned into Bugs Bunny. We all cry laughing for about 20 minutes. If you watched the. The Haunt lore from Braindead, where we are right now, that came out last year. You'll remember. Daryl's desk. Daryl's desk killed Steven. It killed him. It was so like shockingly loud. I didn't even. Yeah, I didn't even register that. I was like, no, that couldn't have been real. So I didn't start laughing right away, but yeah. So that is the. The Young Pruder film. Provably false. It'll be in the episode. I'll obviously you take care of it. It's not real. Ladies and gentlemen. Thank you. 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I heard that you have a very expansive knowledge of Fall Out Boy lyrics and lyrics in general. Very expensive. I heard that you are a die hard lyric memorizer. That is true. I don't know how you heard that, but that is. It's actually very true. So around this time when you're young and discovering hardcore in Leeds, is this around the time when your grandma Helen would ride around in a tank around town? How would you know this? We're going to play you one second. Mosh up. One second of an iconic hardcore song. Okay. And you have to. You just have to tell me. The band. The band. That's all you got to do. Ain't going to happen. We'll try. That was. I gave you the best second anyone's ever given to. All right, one more time. All you gotta do. Stick it through. Play the riff out in your head. The lyric is, they didn't give me much to work with. Oh, I gave you. You did. I just. More than you think. More than you think, but less than you'd hope. Wow. That is wise. Never. I have no. I'm gonna guess and say Converge or something. Oh, it's not. It's not that. It was. Integrity. Integrity. Vocal tests There are no real lyrics. The lyric is, I tried. You tried. You didn't so much disappointed the show. No, no, no, no. Not at all. I got one wrong. Keep me happy right now. Disappointing. You got one live on. I got one wrong on. On camera. You did great. Don't worry about it. Thank you, sir. This is how you treat your master killers on Patreon? We got to take a pause here. So, yeah, one time. What. What is the. What's the pizza spot? 7:36. The numbers. Oh, 7, 8, 6 degrees. Place is great. Place is awesome. They have all kinds of crazy pizzas. He goes, that place. I'm like, why? He goes, they had the worst pizza I've ever tasted in my life. Chicken tikka masala pizza. I don't want that shit. No, no, no. Here's the thing. Here's the thing. It wasn't the worst pizza I've ever tasted. It was the attitude. Because when you. They go, trust me, you don't want the margarita or the pepperoni. And I was like, you're only as good as your margarita. And they're like, listen. Okay, so here's what's happening. If you order what. If you don't get what they. If they recommend you something and you don't like it, they say they'll make you something else for free. So I let them order me the. The Tikka Masala 100. I tried it, didn't like it. And they said, like, okay, we'll come back next time. We'll get you something else. There will be a next time. This is. This is when Colin literally only ate Wingstop and pepperoni pizza. Like, the fact that he was somehow conned into getting a tikka masala pizza is beyond me. Yeah, he already. He already knew he wasn't gonna like it. I'm not gonna argue with this guy for a 16th minute. I already spent 15 doing it. And to set the record straight, that pizza is amazing. It's fine. I've gone again. And I had it again. I think it's fine. Give yourself a nice little intro and then say your four favorite hardcore records of all time. And action. Wait, what was the format again? Do I say Terror? Okay, what's up? I'm Martin from Terror, God's Hate, Etc. And these are my four favorite hardcore records in no particular order. I'm just gonna go for so Strife One Truth. Because Victory Records in my era was on top. Which also leads me to Satisfaction. Hate Breed. Satisfaction is a dead desire Number three. I hate to be so what's the word I want to use, like. So this is an expected one, especially talking to you. Marauder Master Killer. Yeah. So that's my number three. And then number four, Candiria. The process of self development. Huge record for my. My formative years going to shows and. Whoa, look at the cat. Huge record for. Yeah, one of the greatest. Like, still a record I listen to on a weekly basis. Yeah. So that. That works for four. Hello, everybody. My name is Scott. I sing in the band Tear or Scream. I can't sing. Whoa. Top four, best, best or favorite? Favorite ones. Don't forget the struggle. That's easy. Two, I'm gonna go with Born to Expire. Three, I'm gonna go with Set it Off. And four, this isn't true, but this band needs shine. This band is slept on. And this record's amazing. The beyond lp no longer at Ease. If you don't know it, check it out. It's fucking great. It's probably really like number 19, but for this, it's gonna be number four. Where would zero tolerance be? They don't have an LP. Rumors were out that they were gonna sign to. In effect, if they would have done that and recorded an lp, Two. They couldn't have topped War Zone, but two would have been two. Thank you, Scott. My pleasure. Thank you. Could you tell me about. Do you. Do you recall an encounter with an art teacher at a hardcore show in Baltimore? Oh, man. Yeah. That's embarrassing, man. I mean, like. Like, that was kind of. That kind of summarizes the. The vibe of shows back then, to be honest. Like, can you tell me about 15 people in a room, you know, and, like, someone gets hurt? Like, that's kind of like the. What would happen back then. I will say, though, actually, that show and that time, that was a brace wars plane. Oh. And they had a song that was like. I forget what it is, but it was actually like that. Being at that show is what inspired the song Gemini by Ty, because. Really? Yeah. It's a similar thing, like, where it kind of drops down and gets kind of like that. They have a song that had something like that, and I. I remembered from that show. Wow. See, it's all coming back. This art teacher, he has to be sacrificed. No. No way. A Chicago leg. Does it have the drums on it? Is it turn on? Yeah. Holy. Oh, this might be the craziest thing in here. Oh, my God. What? No fucking way. Suck a caribou's ass. Suck a caribou's ass. Pin roll. McDonald's. I went to see the Show. I want to see the rock show. The second it started, it was like, like, okay. Wow, that's gonna make me cry. I just suck the caribou's ass. Tell me about the Grammy win. Grammy was weird, man. It's strange. We've been. I've been up for a few, and I didn't think. This was not the one I thought we would win. You know, I did some stuff. Yeah, I did some stuff with Gojira that got nominated twice. And then I did the previous Body Count record, got nominated, and they got invited to play. They do, like, a Grammy pre show, right? Where they give out all the, like, less popular awards, right? Like, Best Metal Performance and, like, Best Jazz Duet and whatever, you know? Yeah. So. And it's. It's like. It was at the Garden, and it was sick. And we went. Did the sound check, and they're get. They're playing, and then they tell us, like, you know, we're sitting at the award show, Everybody goes up to perform, and they tell us, okay, after Body Count performs, everybody go right here, because they're about to announce your category. So we're like, oh, shit. They're putting us, like, right next to the stage. Like, we're 10ft from the guy who's announcing, like, the. The awards. And they're like, okay, everybody stand right here. We're like, holy shit, I think we won. And then they're like, and the award goes to Mastodon. And then we get ushered off. Like, the hook comes out, and we just get ripped off the stage. And everyone was like, what the fuck just happened? Yeah. Yeah. But so I was like, all right, if we didn't win that one, right? You know, that was. That was the shot. We're never gonna win it. And then, you know, fast forward, like, to the next album. It's Covid. And we're like, I didn't even watch the Grammys because, like, I don't know, some crazy world event was probably happening. I was just. Everyone was at home, and they were, like, live streaming the Grammys and stuff. And then my phone starts blowing up, like, oh, Body Count just won a Grammy. I was like, how? What? You know, but that. And I was like, wait a minute. Yeah. I was like, oh, okay. That's cool. Yeah. And then I went back and, you know, and I was like, well, let me get a clip from somebody, you know? So I. I wasn't. I really wasn't expecting it. Especially, like. I mean, I don't remember everybody that year, but I know, like, Power Trip had A nod that year. Yeah. I was like, they're gonna win this for a live song when this is how, like, weird the Academy is. Like, they put out a song that year. Yeah. I don't know the choice. I'll never, I'll never fully understand it. I, I, I've, I have a little insight into how the Grammys work, and I still don't. I think it's not quite put together. Sure. It's, it's not the most in touch all the time, but, I mean, it was cool. It was still cool to see a band like that just be nominated. Yeah, I agree. And then I was like, we did a song with Riley, like on the Body Count record. And they chose, and they chose. And it was like a single too. And like, there's a video with Ice and Riley and stuff. And I'm like, just pick that song. You know what I mean? Yeah. So I don't know. The whole thing was, like, surprising, but it was like, it's cool. It's like the type of thing where, like, your mom's proud of you and it doesn't really change my life, but it's definitely. I don't know, I never thought it would happen, you know, it's amazing. Yeah. I appreciate it. I don't think, you know, I don't know if it happens again, I feel like that's a one. Who cares? Even the nomination asterisk is like something you carry forever. Fuck, yeah. Did you get any cool, Any cool swag gift bags or anything? I got a plaque. Very nice plaque. And then I was told I was getting one in the mail, and then it just never showed up. So we'll see. Amazon's got them. I'll send you one. Yeah, well, they said Ice is going to make me like, he's like, I got a fake one for you. I made for, like, my homies. I'll, I'll get you one of those. Are you giving Patrick Stewart, Sir Patrick. Sir Patrick Stewart, like, a racist bangers playlist to, like, to get in the, to get him in? No. So. But he went, he went deep. I don't know how he totally prepped, but did he get to the second screwdriver record? I had, I had lots of references. Okay. And both American and British. And, you know, he kind of saved the flick. Came in last minute. We couldn't find Darcy. And all of a sudden he had switched management companies. Same when I was at. And he, I got a call. Like, how about Patrick Stewart? I wasn't aiming that high. Like, he probably wouldn't do it, but he just wanted to rock and roll. And he was so adamant about doing this. It was amazing. But I was so busy with prep and I don't think things through all the way. That's why I have Macon Blair, who's actually fucking here. Yeah. Yeah. And correct me if I'm wrong, Macon, but Macon wrote like a three page history for me because I was like, dude, I can't. I'm doing shot listing and shit. Like, I can't do this. So he just. And I think that might have really helped get Patrick Stewart on board. Wow. Very cool. Yeah. Tell me about transitioning. Transitioning was kind of something that was like. It's been a long process for me. I wasn't like one of those people who like, jumped like straight into it. I'm like, been on hormones for like the, you know, seven years I've been out or whatever. Like, just because, like, touring and stuff. Like, I'm like, on and off with hormones. I'm trying again now to be like, I'm like, doing it. Is that difficult? Like, just even taking the stuff with you? Yeah, I mean, it is because, like, I just do it through like a community clinic. Oh, cool. Shout out vcc. And so, like, it's free, it's cool. But it's a little triggered to like, get in for appointments and get refills and stuff. I have a new doctor there now who she's just like, will give me a year supply. Oh, amazing. Like, cool. Do they have a network across the country of like, okay, if you're going to be here and, you know, but you can get prescription sent to different places. But transitioning for me is like, always, like, weird things. It's purely a physical one. Like, emotionally I haven't changed, like, what I do as a person. Like, there are a lot, like, people who come out and they'll immediately become like a caricature of like a woman or a man. And like, they're like, put on the dresses, be more pretty. But for me, like, I never changed who I was. Still do everything that I do, even if it's not like the stereotypical, like what, you know, people think of as like a trans woman. Sure. You know, so it's. It's kind of just a thing almost more. It's like a personal journey and like, almost mostly physical, like, interesting. Cool to like, you know, blend into, like, women's like, circles and like, be like, accepted and stuff like that. Like, you know, if I go out and hang out with like, Emma from Dying wish or it's like, oh, like now, like if there's like the stereotypical like separation, like all the girls go to get ready and the guys are like going watching music videos on the couch. Like I go do my makeup and get ready because, you know, so like those kinds of things are like validating and nice and I. I really like that. Beautiful. But for the most part, like, I just didn't change as a person. When did you. How early did you know? I was like questioning a lot throughout like high school. And I was like. I kind of used to like front, like very, very masculine when I was like freshman and sophomore because I like didn't know what these feelings were. So I'm like, oh, I'll like counter it by like always having my shirt off. I had, I was like super muscular back then. I had like a fucking eight pack. Like I was doing muscle up. I was just like really masculine back then. And I kind of started to embrace a bit more femininity and how I dressed and like stuff like that, like junior senior. And then I moved to San Francisco right after I graduated and like that's kind of where I was like, oh. Bought my first dress, started wearing makeup around, like outside in public and because outside of Che Cafe, San Diego is like kind of conservative. It's like a weird mix. It's like neoliberal. Like suburban moms who want to be like progressive. But then there's a lot of extremely conservative types too. I mean, we used to have a huge like racist problem. We probably still have. Either San Diego is the Boston of California and either way neither sides want change. Like a neoliberal versus a conservative Christian. They. Yeah, both of them just want the status quo. So anything different? It hasn't changed much since I grew up there. Interesting. I'll go to the Salonic beach still. And I'm like, nothing has changed. There's just a different boutique on that corner now. You know, total honesty to the public out there. I had nervous breakdown on Nerve Descend and Reign supreme. So, you know, I was. I'd never been under the microscope that hard. Oh, wow. And that level of playing. Even though Covenants and Severed Head, the band I was in before that were death metal bands. This was a way big step up. I had to learn different foot techniques. Doing double strokes, is that like the heel toe thing? Yes. What's the side to side one? That one's crazy. Just swivel. Swivels crazy. It's actually, dude, just honestly, next time you get behind a kit, just rest all of your leg weight on the. On the pedal, put your beater against the head and then just start putting out a cigarette. Let's see here. Oh, really? Really? Just start putting out a cigarette and then just slightly let up off a little bit of weight and you will find that it just starts going, oh, wow. Co. It is so good to see you. It's so good to have you here. Like, after a road of uncertainty. It is truly. I. I'm having trouble putting this into words here after. Well, you. You said it. You said it perfectly. It's. It's literally a band's worst nightmare. It's anyone's worst nightmare. But specifically, the thing that we all do is drive late at night, you know, and it's fucking. It's horrible, it's scary. It's true. After such a long and difficult road of. Of recovery, is there still a long road ahead? I think that there's, like, a long road ahead, but most of it is just, like, convincing the rest of the band that I'm, like, ready, because I think sometimes I push them. Like, I'm like, I really want to play. And they're like, can you. And I'm like, yeah, like, let's practice. Let's do stuff. And they're very. Like, maybe they're just being conservative, but I'm just like, come on, like, let's go for it. Yeah. Yeah. And you just practice for the first time. How was that? Yeah, we did. It was awesome. It was, like, seriously so fun. And it was just, like, cool to get back to practicing because I was like, we can do this. Like, and, like, anything that we have that's, like, offers, like, if they're like, I don't know. I'm like, you do know, like, we can do this. I mean, that's unbelievable. How's your voice feeling? It's feeling good, honestly, like, and especially, like, after practice, like, I think that I was worried, like, am I gonna feel shot? Am I gonna not want to talk the next day? And then it's like, no, it's fine. Oh, wow. I mean, that's incredible. I remember when you started singing. Yeah. Texting me, being like, hey, what do I. What do I do? Being like, help. I think you do this well, and I'm going to break my voice. Can you, like, tell me what I'm doing wrong? If I did what you were doing, my voice would never come back. And the fact that you can still speak means you're already better at it than I've ever been. I don't know about that, but I do appreciate it. I don't know. Like, we just be toying around. Sometimes we play right here. Yeah. Really? You bring your guitar right here or I play down by the river. Do you remember writing anything specifically right here or an inspiration for anything? Not. Not particularly right here. Not particularly right here. I saw you guys talking about, like. Like, Street Fight, the song, and, like, how it came about, like, with the lyrics and all. So Jeff and I were eating at a place called Paul's burger. Not McDonald's. Not McDonald's. So. Okay, but it's not a Big Mac. No, no, because, like, like, I just totally, like, wrecked the song for you. I'm sorry. Walking down the street with Nepal's Hamburger don't flow Insane. It's hyperbole. It's fine. It's more interesting than that. So, like, we, we. So we're hanging out, eating, and something popped off right in front of the burger place. Like, like, Like a brawl. And, you know, so we're just like, oh, all right, whatever. And Jeff starts just writing words on a napkin. It was a weeknight, wasn't it? It was. And he was just like, man, yeah, I love this. You know what? I'll write this down. Wow. Pretty much, yeah. So, yeah, he wrote. He wrote these words on a napkin and just left it there. It just. Whatever. So I, I, I saw the napkin, I looked at it, and I just grabbed it. I put it in my pocket, and when I got home, I, I, like, took, you know, empty my pockets out, and I'm like, the. I was like, yo, this is cool. So I wrote the music around the lyrics. It's the only time I've ever written a song around lyrics that's super rare. Super rare. Usually, like, you write the riffs, and then here's the song. So then I had. I had my friend Nick Benettos. By the way, that's another completely different story, because the Benetos brothers are from this bench. And Cold Front started at this bench. Everybody gets hurt started at this bench. Oh, my God. There you go. And Nick Benettos started Cold Front. Chris Benettos was in Fit of anger. We started at this bench and everybody gets hurt. For those who don't know, you've probably seen Chris Bonnetto's designs and drawings 8 billion times on different shirts and demos and records. How did you delegate who was joining which band when a huge group of people were here? It's just like, I got guitar, I got bass. It wasn't anything like that. It was just like, Whoever was hanging out, like, yo, you want to go jam? We're a band now, I guess. Yeah, yeah, we're leeway now, I guess. Create a thing that's still going 30 years later. I guess it's. It's similar to like how the. The younger cats are like really together now. That's how we were. We were really tight knit here and we were very supportive of each other and like, just to keep bands going, you know, this guy can't do it. I want to keep doing. All right, cool, I'll help. I'll keep it going. And I really got to thank those guys because without them, there's no music in my life. I mean, that's a beautiful thing. It sounds like selflessness. It's all about the music, the band keeping it going. Doesn't sound like any kind of ego or anything, which is, you know, can be tricky. Yeah, I don't know. I guess like, our parents used to be nonchalant about. About everything. So everything we did was. All right, whatever. We're just doing this Envision one of the great memes of the fest so far. Well, what is it? Am I unfamiliar? It's the one. It's like a big sing along picture and there's just a guy like dead on the floor next to it. Just face down, arms at his sides. It's so good, dude. It's a perfect. This is what. This, this pick is what hardcore is all about. Dud your enemies beneath you while you're arm in arm with your boys singing relatable words. I believe he's in A Man Called X Threat from Syracuse, actually. So hope. Hope. We hope he survived because the band's good. All for all is holding it down for Syracuse. Sadly, they lost a warrior in the envisioned battle. He'll be back. He'll be back because this is God. This is legendary. I didn't. And now he's immortalized all over again in this episode. Yeah, that. Unbelievable. I mean, when you hear. When you hear the guitar solos kicking in for a vision and the sing along starts, there's not many options. But I gotta lay down. It's so good. Here it is again. Hello, welcome. It's Halloween. Hard Lore time. Oh, you look tired, Pirate Bo. Why not pay a visit to your old pal the hat man? Take 10 of these and call me in the evening. Holy sh. How. Oh my God. This is horrifying. Hello, welcome. It's Hard Lore time. Bring. Our second song we play is Human Carrying Capacity. The breakdown is right with the lead in and then we all come into it. So at first it's Nick and then it's me and then it's Nick again. We switch off now. So it went. I went and Nick went and he did the proven riff. I just need to point something else out to you. You're saying, huh? That's frantic. Tick tock, dude. Scott. Yes. Do you always get a hot dog at the movies? No. Interesting. I like hot dogs, though. What made you ask me that? I don't know. Do you have a certain reverence for the band Stained? That's from Martine. I will say they have like two songs that I think are pretty cool. Weren't they. Weren't they like kind of like heavy prior to the ballad? Weren't they like. I mean they're. They're like certified new metal. Like a new battle. I do like the ballad though. The one that the dude from Limp Bizkit saying. Yeah, the outside. On the outside. Don't get me started. 100 demons versus hate breed. All. All Connecticut. Yeah. But it's kind of the same thing as marauder versus hate breed. Kinda. You're going 100 demons. I. I listen. I. Utmost respect. I hear that and I go, bose, you're real, man. I think lyrically, the pit conversation, the amount of Hate Breed stuff that is kind of focused around sing alongs and is kind of like participatory later on does kind of tip the scales. But I think you, you gotta throw the scale away when you go first two albums to only two albums. So you're saying. I'm saying satisfaction and perseverance versus Satisfaction. Perseverance versus in the Eyes of the Lord and self titled and, and self titled is a tough discussion already. Then Rise of Brutality comes in like fucking Theoden and. And sways the battle, you know. And then you got Supremacy coming in with the Grammy nomination. Don't bring in. Don't bring in My King. And then, and then you got. And then you got self titled. The Dark Horse Underworld. Scary Hidden, masterful pit writing phenomenon. Dude, don't disagree. People don't even. Supremacy also. That's what I said. No, I said Supremacy's got his Grammy. Nominated. Oh, I'm sorry. I thought. My bad. Yeah. Hard, hard music call Sean. That might work. That might work. Did he listen, didn't he play in Hundred Demons? He did play 100. So this is really funny. Yeah, he might not answer. Yeah. Steven. Oh, yeah. My beloved Sean Martin, the King. One of the greatest hardcore guitar players and musicians to ever live. One of the greatest musicians, period. To Ever live. You crazy. I know, Sean. I'm crazy for you. Sean. We are at our grand finale here. We're down to the final two bands, and we figured you, having played in both of them, were the most appropriate person to ask. I know. We love you so much, Sean. Yeah. The hardest hardcore band of all time is down to hate breed and 100 demons. Jesus. And, you know, we've. I've. I've got to get your take on it. I mean, I'd have to go with 100 demons. Yes. Yes. Wow. It's like. What are we talking about, you know? Yes. It's hard to. It's hard to discern. It's like hard. Like riffs. Yeah, yeah. Maniacs. Yeah, yeah. You know, like, it's like. I would say 100 demons. So my. So this whole time I've been arguing, if you go to 100 demons show, it's pretty terrifying. Yes, but so were Hate Braid ones. You were there. Terrifying, but it's different. Yeah. You know, I. I've been arguing this whole time to. To look at the music objectively, you know, as if I stopped a man on Hollywood Boulevard who knew nothing about this world and showed him a song. Each by each one, the hardest one by each one. And we did the opposite. Who. Who would win, you know? Hold on one second. This is my friend Justin. Is that big? Justin. We've got Justin here. Justin. Let me ask you something, Justin. You're live on the show. Oh, that's not good. We're down to our grand finale here. It's Hate Breed versus Hunter Demons. Who's harder? Harder Musically harder. Musically harder. If we're going off first records. First record. No, we're going off full discogs. Everything considered. Just the word. Hard. Who's the hardest harder of the two bands? I'm sorry. 100 demons. Wow. Wow. Unbelievable. This is. This is truly shocking. An underdog upset victory for Hunter Demons. Yeah, I would say. But also, 100 demons only has two records. It's like the impact that they made with two records. There's, you know. Yeah, but what if Hay Free broke up after Perseverance? Would it not have been the same, you think? Because they got those. They got those two. And then Rise comes and whooped your ass. And then a Grammy. No, I'm saying it's kind of a. It's also. It's kind of like hard to. It's kind of uneven with. With like, you know, the amount of stuff too, you know, which is part of the argument. Hate Breed. Longevity and consistency must Be considered. Yeah, but it doesn't mean hard, man. Yeah, I mean, just knowing everybody personally, I'd have to say hardest. Hardest, harder of the two bands. 100 demons. Yeah, absolutely. You know what I'm saying? But, like, it's hard to say, man. Stop. That's a sticky position to just throw me into. I know, but it's. You know, it's that Irish Whit and that Irish. That Irish lights you got. I knew you'd know. You know, And I'm obviously, like. I'm by. I'm not. Like, I love both those fans, and they're all good friends of mine. Obviously, I played with both of them. But, like, it's hard. That's a hard. Hard thing to say. Like, hard thing to decide on the spot, especially. Yeah, I know. We're gonna get a few more opinions because this is the final. Bums you out? No, not at all, Sean. I'm. This is. Either way. Connecticut's winning, baby. Either way, I win. So don't worry. We're gonna keep going. Thank you, Sean, for. For this. For this incredible. For your time and these amazing answers. Love you guys. Love you, too. Have the best day, dude. Bye. Oh, dude. Foot in mouth, mister. Holy Lord. That was awesome. That's exactly. He even explained it like, he said the. Like the show you at least want to be at. Yeah, it's true. Oh, man. I think. Who else do we ask? You want to ask one of a buddy? My phone. A buddy? Yeah. Who do I got? I think we get three here, so that it's five. Two out of three, you know? Yeah. Let's see. Anthony Anzaldo, maybe. Oh, that's a good one. It's an interesting one. Oh, fantastic. Anthony, you're live on the show. Literally, we with. We are at a. A. At an impasse here. Yeah. Okay. This is the grand finale for the hardest hardcore band of all time. And I'm the one you call. You're one of them. And I think. I think you can be objective here, and that's why. That's why I called you. Okay? You. You're not calling. You can't call Jamie Hapry because he's gonna say. He's gonna say. He's gonna say. Hey, Priest. So the finale is down to hate breed and 100 demons. And the only factor is hard right now. If you were calling. Hello, Bo. Hi. I was worried that it was going to be Hate Breed and Negative Approach because I would have had to hang up. I. I understand. Who did Negative Approach beat out before I give My negative approach got beat by. By Terror Beat. Negative approach. Okay. In hard, you gotta factor hard, you know? Sure. It's the chicken and the egg there. Yeah, yeah, sure. I mean, I'm going. I'm going, Avery. Okay. Outstanding. Thank you, Anthony. Hey, thank you. Wise and pure as always. And gorgeous, too. All right, I got Lumpy. All right. Have a great day. Okay, I'll talk you later. Sounds good. All right, we got Lumpy from Day's Media Group here. Days Media Group. A billion bands. Lumpy, we need your opinion. It's on. We're doing the hardest bands of all time bracket. Yeah. We're down to the finals. Okay. We got hundred demons versus hate Breed the harder of the two. I mean, I guess it would. I mean, I think it has to be 100 demons. Yes, dude. Yes. I mean, but if. If the two bands fought, you know, who's winning? We're talking only musically, only musically. Oh, I. All right. Only musically. I mean, it's. It's still like. It's kind of a tie. No ties. I'll go 100. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. We called. A little spoiler for you personally, but we called Sean and he said the same thing. I think that does it. All right, buddy. Thank you. Able to go in. There we are. Brittany, did you bring the spirit box? I sure did. What the hell is it? It's my favorite band. The CD I can't use. I can't check the ghouls. This is classic Brittany Blunder. That's what they call it. I knew I knew it. Don't worry, I got you. The Gray Ghost project aboard the Queen Mary provides their own spirit box. Oh, my God. Oh, here it is. Courtney, if you're watching. All right. Also, who starts the conversation to make static age? Finally. Good. Yeah. So that was what Lyle was coming over to my desk a lot for, Right. He was wondering, what could we do in this situation? And I eventually turned to him and I just said, dude, why don't you just hire me and I'll do this? And. And you know what? He did. So that worked out well. So, hell, yeah. So we did. And I mean, it was. It was a lot of pressure because the simple fact of how much money was put up front and, you know, investment in this. So, okay, so what can you do with masters that have existed forever? Right. And already out as far as, you know? So now you've got to dig in and find out. Okay, so there was a day where eventually, in the conversations I had, I would say I first met with Jerry and Doyle came into the offices and what was great is they came in all dressed up, I mean, for a meeting with Lyle and I. I mean, we were just like, you didn't have to do that. But it was awesome. That's awesome. Yeah. They're like, what do you mean? Right? Yeah, this is how we are. I woke up this way. So, I mean, it was fun and they were great and they're so enthusiastic. Okay. And remember, this is a very different time. This isn't now where these reunion shows have been making. Everybody has general numbers in their head or what they've heard. And I don't. And I don't know what those are for real, of course, but I do. Oh, okay. There you go. So it's a lot. It's a lot. They have the mixes, they have the multi track, so they can do as they see fit. And honestly, they have the multi track. Well, it's. It's Caroline's owned. So if, you know, if. If they agree to do it, then. And Glenn, what I assume would want to mix it, then. There you go. And. And you know what? I honestly, I still feel so frustrating to think back about all this stuff because I didn't. I never thought I was going to do any of this stuff. I thought. Right. I thought honestly that Glenn was going to do it. Right. And I never thought that I would be the one trying to conceive projects and put these things together and do art, because Glenn did all that back in the day. So I thought that's how it was going to be. Right, of course. And. But that's very difficult to match up the goals and whatnot of a label with the goals of an artist with that amount of money and definitely differing opinions. And. And Jerry and Doyle also had different opinions on what should be done with these things and the newsmasters. And so does that mean that ultimately all parties declined this? Oh, yeah. They united over that for sure. I've seen this happen to Colin one time, but I'll wait until Colin answers. Oh, my God, you really have. Man, please. That was in Budapest. In Budapest. I think I've told this on here before that I was leaning against the sprinter door on a. I was sitting on a railing, a railing that was like neck high. It was like a massive. It was very tall. So I was basically leaning against the top of the sprinter. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And somebody opens it. I won't say who leaves it open. I think it was sabotage. And I go to lean back again and I go head first into the. Into the pavement. And it was like the gutter with the curb, it was like something off of, like, Faces of Death or something. It could not have been more brutally violent. It was like the worst possible. Like, you saw it happening. It's like, you know, Van Wall is here, railings here, and there's just a curb in the street, and his, like, head just goes down between head first into the curb and, like, the street. It was horrible what happened. I, I lost many brain cells that day. Something I want to talk about, Scott, that really was prevalent during the One with the one One with the Underdogs days are a little thing that exploded online. Oh, God. Oh, no. Called, Called vocalisms. Oh, okay. I thought you were gonna go somewhere else. No, no, no. You were, you were like one of the first memes, I feel. Yeah. Like, as far as the Internet goes, because. Yeah. You know, move up, like, moving company. I need more stage dives in the monitors and stuff. I, I, I remember when that happened, and I was kind of mad at first. Like, I took it as, like, being made fun of, maybe. Sure. Yeah. And I found out it was. There must have been a contact thing on her or something. It was a female in Toronto. And she was like. I was like, you got to take this down. And she was like, I love your band. You guys are like, my favorite band. Can I please just leave this up? And I was just like, yeah, sure. But I'm not like, someone that really, you know, I'm. As time goes on more, I'm kind of a hermit and kind of keep my space, and I'm not very social, and I think touring for 20 years straight would kind of do that to most people. But I was just kind of anti it until I found out. You know, if you take yourself too seriously, like, some. Here's another thing. I'll say some of those things I've never said. Like, just like I was saying lyric vocabulary. There's just some things I would never say in my life. I would. There's certain phrases that would never come out of my mouth, but if you take a look back, it is. It was kind of fun. There are things that you hear that you did, and you're like, that sounds like something I would do. Like, for sure. Like handing, handing me €40. Oh, no. And saying, go get me five Big Macs. And then I go get you five Big Macs in your sleep. Scott, what do you think about telling me about the, the, the, The. The legendary, infamous Whiskey a Go Go incident? Okay. My memory is pretty tough on anything, so some of the say things I might say are not, may not be true. Martine can confirm later. Martin did fight an LA city bus. I will. I saw it. He did. He fought a bus. I got my head. So shows were happening at the Whiskey, and I think it was a known thing that security there were kind of overly aggressive. We were on tour. It was the promise, Terror, Shattered Realm born from pain. The fuck am I missing? The Internal Affairs? Would Internal affairs play that show? I was gonna say the hoods might have been the hoods, I don't know. So early in the night, early in the day, something got stolen out of Busky's bag. So that was already a bad thing. And he's already. He. He. You know, he's not one to let things go too easily. Sure. So there's a bad vibe already. We know security's not cool. I think they asked us to go get our hand stamped or whatever. And Busky came back and something was missing. So it was kind of like we felt a setup. So sus already right during the terror set, it's going off. I don't think it was, like, super violent, but it was wild in a good way. People start getting dragged out of the show by security. And then Javier from the Warriors, I remember he kind of got hemmed up, and he was someone we all were friends with, and that was like, all right, this is getting out of hand. I shouldn't say this, but maybe don't maybe avoid it, then talk around it. You know, I. I was at the point where I probably could have diffused it and said this shouldn't happen, but I didn't. And things. It just turned. Whatever. A couple hundred kids against ten security guards, and they probably deserve to be slapped around a little. And I think all the windows got broke and a lot of stuff got broke. And it's insurance. That was what they. It's collateral damage. Our merch guy at the time, eb, he picked up like a. A divide. Like when you walk through the airport or a movie. The. The little metal thing that holds the belts together. Oh, yeah. You picked one of those up and threw it at the security guard. And it hit me in the head. And I went to the hospital. I got five staples in my head, which was really not fun to tour with. Doug got arrested. Martin fought a city bus. I say this because I believe what happened was he was, like, fighting in the street, and a bus, like, beeped at him, and he, like, tried to pull the doors open, but he couldn't. So he started punching the bus. I think that's what happened. Happened? Something like that. So awesome. The helicopter showed up. There was like 20 police cars. It was pretty crazy.