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Hello. Welcome. It's Best of Hard Lore time. How you doing, Beau? I'm doing great. We're on Christmas vacation. It's crazy. We really are. But the vacation ends now because this is very important. We've got work to do. This is our final episode of the year. Wow. And it's made up of the episodes you've been watching all year, hopefully. If not, you got. You got a real treat ahead of you. Yeah. Here's what you missed. This is the Best of hard lore 2025. This is an assortment of clips from throughout the year that have stuck with us that we thought you should see again in an aura for the first time. I'm excited for this because I don't really know what to expect. I don't know what catches your eye. I don't know what catches Steven's eye. Yeah. The wizard, you know, and he's always watching. He's very, very similar to Santa Claus. So. Merry Christmas to you all. Happy New Year to you all. Thank you all for supporting us. This year was our best year ever. Yep. And we're looking forward to next year, which will be our best year ever. Yeah. Decidedly. Yes. So sit back, relax, grab some eggnog, some silk nog. Place all the other nogs. Yeah. All the other nogs. And enjoy the best of Hard Lore 2025. Every. Every major label and every major manager will wants us based on Art of Browning. They hear Western, they gone ahead. Like it makes no sense. And they have no idea what's coming, which is so. What's so crazy. It's like a weird way of gambling. And like, if you think of what's being played on the radio at the time, including Sing the Sorrow once it happens. Like, a lot of people associate bands with AFI because they shared technically aesthetic. Okay. Similarities with the sound. It wasn't anything. No. Nothing that could be fit. Yeah. Even your contemporaries like you. Right. It's different. Right. It was just. It was just. It was just a different thing. For better or worse. At the time, it was for better, for whatever reason. And we ended up deciding on Dreamworks. And. Was it because of Shrek? You saw Shrek and you went, you know what? It's 2001. Shrek 2001. Okay. Was that at the time. Yeah. It did not have much to do with it. They were separate. I've always wanted shock. They were separate. It actually had to do with the A and R guy, Luke, who I'm still very good friends with, who I spoke with today and yesterday, the day before he Signed us. He signed Elliot Smith. He tricked me into thinking he was Rick from Jimmy World. So I spoke to him before we were speaking to A and R guys. They were like, get away from us. Get away from us. Until we decided, okay, now we want to talk to you. Until we had had the conversation with our record label owner. Hey. Who. He started the conversation, to be clear. He sat us down and said, I think it's time for you to leave. Right? When he knew we were going to say, hey, can we please go? He sounds furious. When he terrorizes crowds and causes a few donnybrooks. Whether the crowd likes it or not, They did it at the exact same time. I think I heard the. The. The Ooga first. No, the. The awuga Zuma's. The. It was you, Brian. What is Martin? That's not what. That's cool, right? You fucked up as. It's not a full name either. Who is Mari. Stu, Right? I'm all right. You. I feel like that counts. He's not a thing, bro. He's a human. Come on. Oh, man. Crazy. So close. Yeah. All right, Martin, you've got $10,800. What category? Call you back. And it's going to be really funny. True Daily double. What do you got to lose? I got to do half of it. All right. It. Do it. All. Right. And the answer is. Ready? I think you just won me the game, Brian. Who is Knock loose? That's the one. See that again. What about splash zone? Is that the joke? You know what? I feel like I know who you ask these questions from. Yeah. What do you mean? Because these are so specific. What is splash zone? Is it the joke? It's only ever one degree of separation. That's the best part. What do you mean? I don't want to say that, man. Well, okay. No. Splash zone. So crazy is. What is splash zone? Well, I'll tell you what the splash zone is, but just don't associate me sp. It's okay, buddy. You know what? I'll tell you the story. I'll tell the story, but it's not you. It's not. It's not representative of you as a person. I. I don't care anymore, man. Okay, so the splash zone is like. Okay, you know how you go to, like, you go to, like, a. Like a restaurant and they give you sauce? Like, oh, boy, do I just. You like. So, like, you take the extra sauce and you. You roll the window down. You throw it out the window. Oh, yeah. Who hasn't done that? No, it's if you're any kind of. If you're in this music, you're a little bit of a. Yeah, you're. You're so familiar with the splash zone, but you just don't, like, have the word for it. Yeah. And then you just, like, throw it out the car and, like. Because it splashes, like you're entering the splash. Okay. Yeah. That's all it is. Fine. And are you given a warning when the splash zone is approaching? Are you announcing? Are you saying things such as splash zone? No. No, you don't. You can't do that. I mean, there's, like, other games where you yell stuff out the window, but this is like, a different game. Oh, okay. You know, but I'll say this. The splash zone stopped. Oh, okay. I. I'll tell you why. I'll tell you why. I was solo, like, solo splashing. Like, I just had. I was on a solo mission. I rolled. I was like, roll. I roll. All right. What I did was I rolled the window down, my passenger window down. Okay. And I, like, was about. You splashed, dude. It got in my car. You were in the splash zone. I entered my own splash zone, man. Something I've always wondered. The crowing breakdown. Okay. You popped off with that one. Yeah. That's when I'm like, there's a dark entity in this man's mind. So the heaviest music that I'm a fan of, like, actively, you're like, yeah, I'm gonna put some suffocation on it. I did. That's funny that you say suffocation. Effigy of the Forgotten is the one that I. That's hilarious that you just called that. So. No. So there was a. I had a brief moment in my teenage years where Effigy of the Forgotten and Obituary's cause of death were the things that I would go to sleep to. Oh, you're sick. The Bash Brothers. Previously on Hard Lore. Tell me about touring with Zuma in 2025. He's convinced that he can at least beat you in nuggets. There's no way, dude. I, I, I fully agree. Three weeks later, no nuggets. No, I'm not going to puke. Yeah, I didn't expect that much, like, welcome. Okay. Cuz if we play. What's going on? What is going on with my body, dude? I'm scared something is happening in my body. Do you have any favorite things that Zuma does? Maybe fighting? Least favorite? Least favorite? Oh, I'm gonna. I'm gonna show my ass often. Oh, you. Do you moon people? Yeah, we call that. I love showing to her, you know? Yeah, she laughing. Yeah, she loves it. You love his ass. That's what it's all about. That's what it's all about has been job, bro. Me too. You know. Yeah. It's your job to make her wives love seeing husband's ass, you know? I hope so. You hope so? Sure would. That's true, huh? You. You show your ass. I don't show my ass. Let's try. That's right. Yeah. Yeah. Let's see. Let's see. So Unsound Death would be re. Officially re released by Southern Lord, which you would join for one more record. One quote from Greg to you has stuck with me forever. Noted and remembered. Noted and remembered. I was an though no in that regards. I don't know. So this is what happened. So we're playing New York, I think on the abandon all life record. And I'm very imp. At that time I was still a very impatient person and the show had sold out and between all of us, I mean Saba was in the band, so he had a lot of heads coming. He lives. He lives there. We have like a 10 person guest list. And what Greg did was fine. Yeah. All Greg did was say, hey, Todd, could you get these four people in from my district, my distributor into the show? And instead of being nice and saying we just don't have guest list spots, I was like, in my mind, I was like, why are you asking me to get so many people on our guest list at a New York City show where we have a ton of friends? Right? When it's like, in reality, it's a music hub and it's a music hub and it's a friend hub. And like my. It just short circuited my brain. I was like, no, absolutely not. Like, not in a nice way. Not in a professional way. But it was just like, why are you asking me this? And my response was a reflection of my character, not his request. So he does. He deserves grace. He deserves. He deserved to be dealt with patience. But in my asshole way, I was like, absolutely not. Like, I'm not putting these people. I don't know on my. Like. And another thing is with Nails is like, it's like I prioritize the band members before I prioritize anybody else. Totally. Yeah. So I'm sorry, record label. If we only have 10 spots, we're using those for ourselves and our friends. Like if we have open ones, then we will let you in. Otherwise these people can just fucking pay to see the show one more toddism. Before we, before we move on is the infamous Couple Tracks. Dude. Wow. Another life changing remark. That's not. That didn't come from me. Who did it come from? Well, the band up put out a record called Couple Tracks. Okay. And I think where that came from was there. There was a password protected message board that talked about anything that had to do with old hardcore. Anything and everything. And it was actually very pivotal to me learning a lot about old hardcore bands. Like especially like old European and Finnish hardcore bands. I think it came from that. It's like they were talking about records like there. It was a thing set in admiration, like, oh, it has a couple tracks. Not. Not to like diss anything or maybe it was to dis something, I don't know. But I think that term came from that message board, which is probably where UP got it from. And in the up song, do they say it? Are they just talking listing bands? No, no, no. I don't think there's a song called Couple Tracks. I think they have a compilation CD or album called Couple Tracks. But it's, but it's a compilation. So it's almost like. I don't know if they're. They're making fun of themselves or if they're making light of the joke. I, I don't, I don't know what the intention is. Your intention, though, in the way that I. I've carried it with me since was RIP Lou Reed, Couple Tracks. Lou Reed had a couple tracks for sure. You're really giving up right now? Yeah, I, I will puke on camera if you want that in your living room. You sound like it's a bad thing. I'm telling you. You didn't do this. Me puking on into. I didn't, I didn't choose to puke. I stood up and vomited. And it was the best feeling I've ever felt. You didn't stand up and vomited. We did it in my room. You went to your room? I stood up and was like, oh, I'm gonna throw up. I better go to my room. I got on my hands and knees and scrubbed that toilet. Do you remember the text message you sent me this morning that was from something else, and I quote, crazy style. You have fucking Kardashians in your shit. What's the, what was your first impression of that? Because, I mean, the first, like hardcore mind you look at that and you're like, ah, come on. But then a guy from Sydney mine, you go, that's kind of crazy hectic ass Everything. Everything with Speed, bro. This whole experience is a piss take. It's just a fucking piss take. It's just like, what next? You know what I'm saying? Everything is just a laugh and I'm. I welcome it because it makes for a fucking incredible varied life experience. You know what I'm saying? So that was beautiful meeting the guy. But we played. We played the Shrine with Knock Loose last year. And Travis messaging Dennis's homie. He's messaging being like, I'm going to pull up. I'm going to pull up with the wife, the homie Travis. So we're opening with Knock Loose and we had fucking old mate from Sepultura, Toby Morse, xyz. Like the most LA shit ever. And then Travis Scott. Sorry, Travis Barker and Kourtney Kardashian on the seats guest list. Wow. They came and watched us and then I went and spoke to okay. At that show. I thought I'd blow. Blow my voice. Oh, no. And we were 10 days in the knock list. Two. And I was freaking out and I was like, holy, I still have like 60 shows ahead of me. What am I going to do? And I was sitting, trying to like, gather my thoughts after we played. And then they're like, yo, Travis and Courtney's over there. So I was like, I'm going to go sing. What's up? I walked over and then Courtney was there and she's like telling me they'd have it. They just had a baby called Rocky. And she was like, good movie. When I see Rocky, I. I go up to him and I. And I do this voice where I talk to him like. Like this. And. And Travis was like, oh, you. You should try being like a hardcore vocalist. You sound like the guy from Speed. And so what? And she told me that she was watching us play from side stage and she was like, I reckon I could do this. I reckon I could do this. And I was there being like, sick nice. And in my head I was like, what? I want to tell Gemma, my girlfriend, about this when I get home. And this is a weird conversation to have with, like, someone who's meant to be quite famous. Yeah. But she was super down to earth and brother, literally, they literally got an Uber to see us and start their date night at the feature on that. It was Mother's Day. They're doing Mother's Day. Really A good day. And she's a mother. She's a mother now. Anyway. One of the worst, but one of both your my favorites, I believe. The Goo Goo Dolls. Oh, man. That's a rough one, dude. That's a rough name. It's tough now, you know? And, like, I ain't wearing Goo Goo Dolls, you know, And. And they started out as like a hard rock band and they were Metal Blade Records. Metal Blade Records. Were they from New York? I think they were. Buffalo. They were from Buffalo. So it's like. Yeah, New York Dolls. Surely they were aware of. Was it a play on that? Goo. And then A Boy Named Goo. And just all this like. What's your. They're obsessed with goo. I don't know, man. Goo. Goo. Why did it have to be twice, you know? No, like Mighty. Mighty Boss Tones. I'm not. I'm not even. I wasn't even going to bring it up. Don't get me started. That's a fucking band. That's an incredible band, Boss Tone. Alone. Yeah. Alone. Yeah. Brilliant. Because they're Bostonians. Bought from Boston. Yes. Mighty Boss Tones. Genius. You add mighty, Mighty. You know, it's the best comic. It's Vince. Vince McMahon falling off the chair. Like, unreal. Insane. Unreal. Goo Goo. You get worse. The Dolls. Great. The Goo Dolls. What? The Goo Goo Dolls. Kill yourself. I want to start with the origin of the named Wid. I've got a visual representation here of the story I've heard. Oh. And you tell me whether or not this is true. I think I know what you're gonna say and it's not true. Do you? Tell me this. I could tell you that story. That's a strange one. Yeah, but that's so. That's not why. No. Wow. So there was a guy from Cleveland, Ohio, named Jason Popson. He was for a while the singer for the band In Cold Blood with Aaron and Lenny and as well as Mushroom Head, eventually and Mushroom Head simultaneously with Mushroom Head, actually, at the time. So it's an awkward conversation. I'm not sure how to say it, so I'll just say it. Back in those days, you would talk on a phone that would be either a cordless phone or stuck to a wall. This is ancient times. And sometimes people would doodle on paper while they were talking. They didn't have FaceTime like this. For your younger viewers. They're going to think this is mind blow. But so, yeah. So I'm talking to him and then he says, has this eureka moment. He says, I figured it out. And I said, figure it out what? We were talking about something totally unrelated. And he said, your name, your name. It's Pimp Upside Down. And I said, what are you talking about dude. He's like, yeah, I'm doodling your name while I'm talking to you on the phone. And I said, okay, that's fucking awkward. I don't know how to respond. And then he explained it to me. I wrote your name in all lower caps and spun it around. And I said, yeah, that's. That's not where it came from. Oh, my God. This is. This is both heartbreaking and incredible information. Yeah. You know, becoming the top dogs in American regular touring. Hc I'll call it that. That can come controversy. So with that, I am of course talking about the alleged floor punch Yogurt incident of 1996. Can you tell me about that? How aggressively did this yogurt get distributed? You know, how bad was the scene of the crime with this yogurt? It was a yogurt carpet bombing. Okay. Oh, wow. See, I've been curious. Right. But it's a lot. But the funny thing is, you know, nobody had anything to say before we played. You know, nobody wanted to debate us or go toe to toe, like sparring with insults or throwing a punch. You know, they waited till we're on stage and they're throwing stuff from out of the dark. And I was like, yogurt is insane. It was ridiculous. You know, but at the same time, I mean, punk. I mean, hardcore does come from punk. Yeah. And I understand that there's Wildcats. I mean, I've made a few prank phone calls in my life. You know, I get it. Let us. Let us also. Not let. Let's. Let's consider the flip side of the coin where if somebody fundamentally disagrees with Earth Crisis. Yeah. Sabotaging their set is their form of destroying the machine of Earth Crisis. You know what I mean? Like, they're. They're all. You can't destroy the spirit in this machine, my friend. Wow. What a quote. Beautiful. And I'll. So people are throwing yogurt and they're unplugging our gear. And what was funny is Dennis was just. He just kept a beat and the crowd kept singing. Wow. And that was powerful. And Fury of Five were very upset. And for you, they were our friends, and they were very upset because we were guests in New Jersey. Yep. And also, I don't want them upset at me ever. Dude, they are phenomenal. But I'll tell you a story about them live later. 454 Big Block were very upset, too. All the original FSU dudes. And, you know, so a guy, they throw some yogurt. A guy runs up on stage he's wearing a fake fur coat or a real fur coat, and kids start to hit him. And you can hear me on the mic say, back off. You're going to kill him. Back off. I didn't, you know, so I wanted to stop. Yeah. But what was really cool was when people were being aggressive. Our fans kept singing even without the guitars. When the powers cut to Dennis's drum beat and they actually got up on stage and made a little wall around us. So it was amazing, man. You know, to try and view that as a diss. Actually, I think it backfired big time. You know, what's been referred to my whole life as the Earth Crisis Floor punch yogurt insert incident, we've now come to learn, is more the Earth Crisis ink and dagger yogurt incident. But if you could break down this incident from your perspective, I think it would be great. I don't know what led. Well, you know what? It's funny, because I'll give Earth's Crisis this. They were catching a lot of slack, way more than we were, you know what I mean? Because they really wore that shit on their sleeves, you know what I mean? Like, they did and they preached it and they. So I remember. I wasn't really familiar with Earth Crisis, but I remember our first show was with Earth Crisis, Human Remains Bug Out Society, Ensign Bug Out Society bought like, two dozen White Castles to throw at Earth Crisis before they even played, you know, your first show. For our first show. So it's just. This just constantly happened to them. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, for saying we don't eat animals, I don't remember it happening, but I remember hearing that it was gonna happen. And I definitely didn't watch Earth Crisis. I might have been, like, out in the back playing soccer or something. I don't know. But, yeah. So, you know, I don't know what brought the Philly guys, like, if they had an actual beef, to do it, or just like, hey, like, Sean was that kind of guy. He was a funny, like, energetic character. You know what I mean? But what led up to him doing that, I'm not quite sure. Okay. You know, and you. I mean, it got pinned on you for 20 years. Yeah. And it wasn't us, you know? No. No one in the band. You know, other dudes are unplugging their equipment. But I think just kind of when, like, everyone kind of puffed their chest out a little when Pac got jumped and, like, just we were, like, in the mix of that. You know what I mean? Yeah, sure. And then Carl's saying, hey, if you try to fight me, I'll stab you. To people. Allegedly. Pretty cool. That is cool. I don't remember. I don't remember that. But. Yeah, but I see. So that stickman from Fury 5 was also there and backed Earth Crisis, which, if I'm new, I'm like, fuck. Devo just showed up and. And ended this, you know, Big man, OG Ass Beater. Yeah, the King of Ass beatings. I'm not gonna say there was like Fury 5 four punch beef, because there wasn't. But like, you know, there was like some noise by people that followed us and like friends of theirs, but, you know, they practice in the same studio sometimes the same nights as us. You know what I mean? So if Stickman wanted to come over and like, you know, he had. You know, he had his chances. So it was never really like that. You know what I mean? I know. I think I'm having some Ethernet issues maybe. Hang on, let me try something. No problem. Oh, Look at him. Scoot down there. You can't hear me, Steven. It's just you and me now. Never going back. Have you heard the story of New York Minute? No, it's like a good. This is like a great segue into. Please. Unbelievable. So basically my wife's a freak. Yeah. But I'm also like. I'm like, I don't believe in ghosts. And then I'm like, I'm not going in basement by myself. Yeah. That's just sense. I kind of believe in energy. I'm with you. See? So, all right, so me and my wife, we buy this house, move it in the neighborhood, whatever. And in the middle of the night, I'm literally like laying in bed. And I sleep naked. And I'm like, full on. Full on naked. The basement of his house is a little spooky, but I literally hear like something that sound like my garage. The wall behind my bed is like, the garage. Yeah. And I hear something. I'm like, oh, what's your address? I'm like, someone is in my garage. Like, I can hear them in my garage. Like someone's stealing my car or something. So. Well, we don't park in there. But someone's. I'm crazy enough that if you're in my house in any capacity, like I have a kid, you're going to the cemetery. It's also Rochester, which is a terrible place. Okay. Yeah. Where I live is very chill, but it's. Yeah, it's not great. And I'm paranoid. So I wake up and I'm like, what the hell's going. And I like. And I get up, and you can't really see out because it's dark and there's lights in the house. Whatever. So I'm like, all right, fuck this. I walked in my closet, I get my gun, and I'm just clearing my house, and I'm like, okay, that's weird. There's no one. Like, I open the garage, like, yeah, it's happening. Yeah. Are you still naked? Oh, I'm naked, yeah. That's horrifying. That's the only way. Because in my mind, as an assailant, seeing you naked, I'm like, well, here's the thing. It's like, I'm not going to take the time to get dressed. I think someone's here. Yeah. So I go to the garage, and there's like, no one. So I'm like, okay. I peek out the back door. I'm like, all right, whatever. I go to bed. I'm like, I'm just being crazy again. I go back to bed, put the gun back, you know, get in bed, lay back down. And, like, I start to fall asleep. And I hear it again and it's louder. I'm like, oh, someone is in my house. And now they've seen me. Yeah. And they were hiding. Yeah. And I didn't see them. So I'm like, fuck. So I get out of bed, get the gun, and I'm like, now. I'm like, okay, is your wife awake now she has woken up. She's like, what are you doing? Yeah. And I'm like, go to bed. I was like, someone's gonna fucking. So I'm like, alright, my son's door is closed. I'm good. And I make it around and whatever. And again, no one in the garage. Whatever. And I walk and I'm just. I just stand still. Like, if you walk in my front door, it's basically the center of the entire house. And I just stand there for, like, two minutes. And I hear it and I'm like, they think I'm in bed. And I wait and I wait and it happens again. And I'm like, all right, that's it. And I just open the door and it's my fucking screen door. Like, because it's a house I haven't lived in long. So you're telling me. Yep. The screen door was peeking in your window. Oh, yeah. The driver needed to make. This guy's name is Shark, by the way. Shark. Shark. Sick dog. Come on. It's not sick. Bo. It's pretty sick. He had to. You can't not drive and be named shark dude. That's true, that's true. You gotta be a driving wizard to be shark dude. It's yo it. So he. He had to make like this 100 point turn to get to. To the. Like to line up with the gas pump. Yeah. And you guys are going. Sure. Eric. Eric. Eventually, like, as he's still in the midst of trying to make this turn, Eric gets out. Just gets out. He goes, I gotta get the out of here. And he like walks away. I follow Eric. I'm like, I can't do this either. And then so the guy, the guy Shaw comes up to me. I turn around, he's like, he followed me. And I go, what? I'm like, what, bro? He's like, they told me to ask you how to do this. And I'm like, bro, I said, you need to get the away from me or there's gonna be a problem. So we're freaking out on this guy. He's been hitting yo the whole time. He's been hitting into fences, parked cars. He's been a mess the whole tour. Finally get that out of the way. Whatever. We're back on the road. Okay. This was. This was the pivotal turning point. Oh, my God. Everything, like, it all hits the fan. So we're in the back. Me and Eric are in the back. Me and Eric are in the back. We're on this night drive to Italy out of nowhere. Like, you hear it like a. Just like a. Like a. You know, he hit something, he dinged something. We're on the highway, but like, we're still driving. This dude starts screaming at the top of his lungs while driving still. He's just going. And me, I. I can't even get through it. Me and Eric just look at each other. We're in the back. We look at each other and just start bursting out laughing. Because at this point we're just like, what the is even going on anymore? So it turns out he hit a deer. And he's so distraught about it because he was like a vegan guy, I guess. Oh, Shark. Why? And you can't be named Shark and be vegan, I'll tell you. That's what I'm saying, dude. So we get to the hotel. The van is total, by the way. Total. He clipped it in such a way that it up one of like the, you know, whatever, and it's leaking and we're not gonna make it. What kind of van was it? It's like one of those, like, little shitty bucket vans, you know? Yeah, yeah. Okay. Like, not a sprint, not a sprinter. Okay. Peter pulls me inside, also a very calm guy. Does nothing but smoke weed. Peter pulls me to the side. When we get to the hotel, he's like, yo, if we don't get a new driver, I'm flying home tomorrow. I'm not gonna die in Europe straight up. Which is, like, so fair. Yeah, exactly. I said, yep. I know. You're right. We call up Martine. We're trying to figure it out. We were on tour with Spy and Mine War. Okay. And mine was from Germany band, right? Yes. And one of the guys in Mine war used to drive for bands. So we're like, okay, we're gonna meet up with the van people. Mm. We're gonna get a new van. Then we're gonna. We're gonna kill Shark. We're gonna. Yeah, we're gonna fire Shark when we get to Venice. Sure. And. I mean Vienna. And you're gonna drive the rest of the tour. It's like, yeah, it's fine. Do what you gotta do. I'll do that. No problem. Go to Vienna. He almost gets us hit by a train. I'm not kidding. He, like, almost did not stop in time for when the thing was coming down and the train was coming. Like, he almost hit the fucking train. Like, let me not. Okay. So anyway. Sure. So, Shark. So we finally get to the venue after he makes, like, 10 million wrong turns. This guy fucking sucks. We get to the venue, we're like, yo, you're done. Like, that's it, man. I'm sorry. Like, Martinez gonna figure out getting you fucking home. You gotta go. It's it. And he goes, I'm so relieved. I'm like, what? And he's like, I've just been having a terrible time. I don't know what I'm doing. You guys are mad at me, and I'm like, yeah, we're mad at you, dude, because you're gonna kill us. So you suck. Yeah, you gotta go. You're the worst shark in the world. We gotta talk sing along etiquette here. Okay. Yeah. Because it's called a pile on. You know? It's. You're supposed to pile on each other and earn the microphone, you know, you gotta. You. I'm. We're singing up here. That's what it's all about. So you gotta climb the mountain to get to the singer. They're cheating now. Yeah. They're going to the drums. They're coming right up to you. And go. Just no etiquette. Or they're taking. They're taking your mic while you're playing guitar. They're taking Alex, Mike, any microphone available. Pulling the mic out of the bass drum straight. They would. Don't say that. They'll do it. The stage is your stage. That's the whole point. But you jump off. Yeah. Don't overstay your welcome. I mean, I think it's pretty. I think everyone inherently has the clock in them. They know when they've overstayed. They just say it and do it. That's what you think the clock is missing to. To a whole crop. Isn't it funny how full circle we've come. That stage diving started because bouncers would kick kids off before they could see. You would beat the bouncer and jump off. Now we need bouncers again. Apparently. It's crazy John no self bounce. I've heard a quote of yours about your lyrics, and I. It is. Yo, I'm not going to lie. This don't mean nothing now. Do you know, do you still feel that way or are there some songs where you're like, man, this one is really personal and, like, beautiful to me, all my songs are just a primal outage. All. Every Peeling flesh song is about a different way of beating the. Out of someone. Like, that's literally just what it is. It's just primal. Just caveman. Just bunga bunga. Just memorable. Can I take it? Can I pee pee? Of course. Like, it's like, we don't have to stop nothing. No, you can keep this going, too. Who Your. Who are the bands that like you? Yeah, this is gonna be cut like he likes Primus. I don't fuck with Primus. Okay. Chili Peps. I don't fuck with them. Okay. I got one Chili Pest record that I fuck with. Which one? One Hot Minute. Yeah. Banger. Is that before or after Blood? Like, I hate them. They were like a part of my life growing up. Like, I seen the Chili Peppers three times. They're great. I had to go see them because Silver Chair was opening. This is a good episode. Yeah, I've never. Oh, I'm still on that. Yeah. You're killing it. You're gonna hear this. Can you do this? I need you to adjust this flow so it makes me sound girthier, you know? This is like. Sounds like a very weak flow right now. This will be bonus features at the end of the. Yeah, Steven's gonna sub over, like, Niagara Falls. Yeah. I'm gonna do it with my mouth so you don't have to do it. Just this mic is just peaking. Jamie, can we talk about the last Code Orange performance? It was what it was. We got through it the last show, we fucking got into it with everybody there and it was crazy. Oh, is this when the Avenged Sevenfold thing. I mean it can be called that. I personally never said anything about events unfold and have no problem with event seven fold. So you got fucked your last show ever. What. What happened during the actual set itself? They. They stormed the castle on us, brother. They tried to take the stage, tried to be heroes. Shut us down. And it wasn't gonna work out like that. The festival did not. Not a band. The. The. No Avenge didn't ride on a bat up to us or anything. And Johnny, Johnny, now we're. But now we're brothering. Actually. Let's put the. Let's take the mask off. But yeah, no, Johnny Blaze didn't come up and unplug my. Yeah, all I'm saying is. All I'm saying is we were up there, but did Johnny Blaze's crew, you know. Okay, it's the play by play. This is all I know. Okay. A couple hours before we had this gingerbrother. He was our tm. He was cool as you guys don't. Any relation to Jeff? No, another one. There's much to my dismay. No, but so this fucking dude, he's awesome. Great guy, English brother. Blanking on his name. He's loathes boy. Great dude. He comes up to me, five hours or we get there, it's muddy, it's hell. The dude comes up to me, hey, at some point in the morning, hey, they might need to cut your set, whatever. And I told him, I said, brother, we can't cut the set. The set is set. You understand what I'm saying? Yeah, the set's already set. And also I wasn't saying this like this is our damn last show playing the damn Download. So you knew. You knew we can't. No, but no, I didn't. This is how I didn't know. Okay, okay. He basically was like, all right, I'm gonna come back and I'll let you know what happens. He never comes back. I think he went back, said, we won't cut the set, everything's all good. So we have that issue. Issues start compounding as the day goes on. Then they're having even more issues like beyond that, you know. And by the way, there was a certain amount of set condensing that we could. We. We were able to do but past a certain point, our whole falls apart with like the way it's all set up with all this. Totally understandable. Yeah. Technology involved. Yeah, dude, it's a yes. Well, we didn't as. As we found out once we got up there because none of that shit turned on at all whatsoever. So anyway we get. So we're back there, we're waiting to go. We're waiting to go. They're holding us off. They're holding us off. More minutes are going by. I'm thinking at this point, I'm thinking, okay, something's gonna get cut to some level. And okay, we go out there, nothing works. The ears don't work the tr. I hear the tracks in the distance because I'm on this like ledge like out like 10 miles away from everybody. They're all off and you know, so it's like wacky sounds are happening on like completely different parts. Yeah. I'm like, this is a. I instantly. Collins gonna love this. I instantly. Boom. Color. Get color right away bleed. Because I'm like, this sounds like I gotta believe. No, I knew and that's exactly what I thought. We started bleeding. Shit's going awry. We have to huddle up at one point, which is always a bad thing if you ever see a band all fucking. Unless it's like a, like the festival style band. What do we do? Literally we're like, what do we do? So we, we, we keep going and then, dude, we're like four songs into the set. Power just goes out. They. They cut the power on us just straight up. So, yeah. So then people in the band start breaking once again. This is probably peeling the curtain back a bit too far, but my thought is we got to make something out of this. So we have some mic stands that we fucking rented. So our shit, right, we were paying for it. I fucking take one, sell to the crowd, they pop. There it goes, right? Yeah. So I'm going one by one, I'm taking every single one out. Cuz it's getting, it's fucking getting a big pop. What are we gonna do? You know, it's our shit. That's 80, 80 quid, you know? Yeah, yeah. Other people are doing other crazy shit that's got nothing to do with me. All right? And then some other people are doing that. They're just breaking their, you know, just. They're working an angle. Then some, some brothers tried to be a hero and they run on and they start grabbing our. And we get into it with them and I get into. With the guy and then Joe ends up getting into it with the guy who, like, runs the whole thing. And they throw our gear in the mud. And I heard about it all has mud on it. They put. There was a location where gear was supposed to be loaded and code stuff was placed in just the middle of a field. Dude, Joe Goldman, my brother, who I love, lost his. That's the one thing he will not tolerate because he has to deal with all this. Yeah, he. He. That was. And that was the next problem that happened, which was like, a whole backstage, like, basically, it became like, we got to get these guys out of here, like, situation, because it was just fires were going everywhere. You know what I mean? Which, honestly, when I look back, it was sick. I mean, yeah, that's the way this should be. It's. You know, so wait, it's not that way at all, but it should be. If was hard and fun. Am I wrong? And that. And that's really it. Clarify this for me. So did you know that that was your last show going into it, or was it decided? Like, all right, it. That is the last one. I knew. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we knew. Hey, Stephen. Hey, Stephen. Did you like something, Stephen? Every time. Hold on. Hey, there, Delilah. But as hey there, Stephen. No. Hey, Stephen. Is that Taylor Swift song? Oh. Oh, yeah, that's right. I thought you were singing hey there, Delilah. No, there's a catcher one that goes, Steven, why don't you call me hey there, Stephen? What's it like in Inland Empire? Is it hot and is it cold and is it warm or is it bold? I want to know. This is your friend named Bo0197 Media? Yeah, my name is Pazuzu. Some know me as Reagan. How about you? I'm Gwen Danzig. Oh, my God. I'm Gwen. So, you know, things are a little, little different here. I was asked not too long ago what my drag name would be, and it just hit me. Gwen Danzig. Thank you. Pretty unbelievable. Thank you. Yeah, you would clean up, dude. We gotta get you on Drag Race. Do I look good? Feel good, dude. So anybody watching? None of us. Neither of us knew that we would both be iconic women. Really. Skinhead played live in the Mayans series finale. Can you tell me about how that came to be? And I know for a fact Josiah was plugged in for that. He came and he conquered and he ripped it, dude. He got private lessons, I think Taylor. And, dude, Josiah just shredded it. He learned the entire song on one string. Nice. He was. Shredded it, dude. Elgin was directing and writing all of Mayans he came from. From Sons of Anarchy and started this thing on his own. And he heard some of the stuff. Eric. Eric hooked it up, too. And they were filming the final season, so Elgin was just like, how do we, you know, cultivate this feeling of, you know, this the show? And so I got a call saying that Elgin wants to put your song in one of the episodes. And I freaked out and said, absolutely no. What's the money? Talked to my lawyer. Then they gave me an offer I can't refuse. So I said, absolutely, let's do it. And then it kept, like. It kept. It kept molding. Like, at first it was like, oh, we're just gonna put it in. Like, it's gonna be at a thing. And I'm like, all right, that's awesome. And then they're like, actually, there's another scene where we want you to be the backing band. And I was like, what's the scene? Okay, so it's a white power biker group. And I'm like, perfect time. Sign me up. But, dude, it's like this pinnacle. I haven't watched the show, but it's this pinnacle scene of, like, the Mayans coming in and just murdering people. It's while you're like, I'm yelling in a thing. Joby's riffin. Josh, James, like, all the dudes, Aldo. Everyone's playing. People are getting murdered. Mexi is beating a man half to death with a. With a baseball bat. This dude, like, the first thing they do, they walk in the show, people turn around and a guy gets his head blown off. It was pretty awesome, dude. It was. It was really cool. What I didn't know is that was maybe like 15 or 20 seconds long. And I was there for 13 hours. Oh, yeah, that's how it goes. Yeah. So they used. They used the live audio of you playing in the show. It's not the recorded song, so that's pretty cool. Yeah. Wow. It was awesome. Yeah, it was cool. And, dude, to be like, yeah, it was. It was a dream come true. Because I was like, I'm finally a shitty band in, like, a show or a movie. This is awesome. Pretty big fan of a little band called I Had Gone. I was wondering. I was wondering where this was. For those of you who don't know, Aaron is literally the biggest I Hate God fan I know. Gotta be one of the top in the world, I think. In the world. Yeah, You're a top. And. And on that European tour we played Budapest with I Hate God. Yeah. So Aaron, and you smoked meth with them, right? Yep. That's awesome. So, I mean, that's every little boy's dream. I was gonna go. Aaron was really excited about it when he saw the flyer. Patty has a photo of me from that night, and I'm smoking two cigarettes. I don't. I don't smoke. What are your names? Where are you from? Danny from South Florida. Brandon from South Florida. South Florida. Broward. Miami. Miami. Is that 9542? 305. 305. My apologies. Could you name for me your top four favorite hardcore records? Oh, God. Okay. Any record, anytime. Singles, LPs, EPs, splits, whatever you want. All right. I'll say. The first burf is Pain. Oh, wow. Excellent answer. How old are you always? 19. 19. 21. 21, obviously. Master killer. Okay. Solid. The kids are doing really. Dude, this is outstanding. Two. You're two for two. Systems overload. Cleveland's great. Yeah. I love Cleo. Where's number four? Wait, stay there. My personal favorite. Yeah. Vorus. One. All right. This could be really funny. Justice replaced by revenge. Dude. Dude, this kid you crushed. Yeah. Great job. Really well done. Do you watch the show? Of course. You. You. You're from Clayville. He's from Playbox. Top four records. Yes. Destroy the Machines. Unbelievable. Start today. Unbelievable. The Regression album with the ones of three tracks. Yep. And the Stroke. Born to Land Hard. Wow. I'm. I'm a Miami guy. 1921. You guys did great. I can't believe it. You crushed. Excellent. Excellent job. Excellent work. What's your name? Where are you from? Esco. I'm from South Florida. Where in South Florida? Miami. 305. Giancarlo. Friends with these two? 305 is the area. You're all in a band together. All right, now, hold on. Wait, wait. Hold on, hold on. We'll let you say the name of the band as long as your answers are just as good as. As their answers. Could you tell me your top four hardcore records of all time? This is big. All right. River Runs Red. Satisfaction for those who are crucified. Wow. Miami's unbelievable. Damn. What's in the water here? Jeff from South Florida. Our dog, Black Heaven Records. Fuck it. I'm gonna go off the wall and say Sonic XS by Crowbar. Not a hardcore. Don't know, but he gives. Fine. He'll give it to you. Kirk knows River Runs Red. Love it. Destroy the machines. Love it. Start today. Beautiful. Love it. Bringing it down. You two, get over here. Get ready. Other band. Other band. He's shy. I'm a little shy. That's okay. That's okay. I'm just gonna. I'm just gonna talk to you. Okay, cool. I'm just gonna. Okay. What's the name of your band? We're called no Truth. We're from South Florida. No Truth. From South Florida. This is my favorite band of all time. How old are you? My number. I'm 17. I turn 18. Demo 18 tomorrow. Are you serious? Yeah. 21. 21. 21. 21. 18. 18. 19. 19. No truth. Okay, that was slate two, Stephen, just in case you're confused, which you may be, so I apologize. Here we go. As White Trash Rob would say, here we go. Hello, welcome. It's Hard Lord Time. How you doing? Both. So I went in the middle of the night. This is literally middle of the night. They came and arrested me at my house, like I was sleeping. And my mom's like, brett, the cops are here. Who ratted you out? I actually do know who it is, but I'm not going to drop names. But someone ratted you. Yes. Yes, it was somebody. Yeah, I know. And I'm sure she regrets it. Yeah, for sure. For sure. So I'm not gonna. I don't think she is gonna be listening to this either. You never know. We were number six in Australia last week. Okay. She could be vacationing. I don't know exactly. Sorry. So it's middle of the night. Mom. Yeah. Taps on the door. She. Yeah. She's like, brad, the cops are here to see you. And so the stormtroopers are here in Dusseldorf, Michigan, to come. Yes. So they printed out the MySpace comment, which I think is just so funny. Just like, they. They slide. So they were at the dining room table, and they, like, slide it across the table. Like, did you write this? And I'm like, I don't know. I. I really don't know. Because at the time, like, we were writing a lot of MySpace comments. That's what we were doing. So true. With our time. So. And I had been sick from school, and I was just on MySpace that entire day, so I was like, I don't know, maybe like, it looks like I did. That's. That's my. That sounds like some shit, I would say. So they slide it across the table, and they're like, okay, well, do you have ice skates? My mom played hockey, so we did. Yeah. So it was a. You know, it didn't look good for me. Now, why. Let me ask you, though. Why did you choose ice skates? Okay, so like I said, it was. Great question. Thank you. Her husband, the teacher's husband was like a hockey referee or something, and she just talked about it all the time. And at some point I had, like, made a reference to, like, we, you know, should kill her with ice skates, or, you know, and then went home and later on was like, can't wait to kill her with ice. So you're doing a, like, callback bit in the comments. It was a bit. Aha. The cops were a bit much for the FBI for. For the Michigan State Police, right? Yes. For Officer Schneider was her name. That is German. Means cutter. Like a tail. I don't know what you're trying to say right now, but I'm with you. I'm saying it's like the Gestapo. Like Collins Comet. Exactly. Fair. Okay. So then they're like, well, you're gonna be coming with us tonight. And I was like, are you for real? Like, I. I couldn't believe it at the time. So I was like, okay, I'm just gonna go and I'm not gonna put up a fight. I was too tired. They, like, made. They handcuffed me and, like, put me in the back of the car. And then I get to the juvenile detention center and they're like, you know, do the whole intake process, drug screening, all this stuff. You're like, like, okay, you're like 16, 15. Oh, my God. Yeah. And then they're. They go, okay, like, have a good sleep for a couple of hours, and then we're going to wake you up in the morning and you have to, like, go to gym class, basically. Do you have a private room? Yeah, I had a private room, but, like, the day room was. Was shared. So, like, you get a private cell and then there's like a day room where. And it's co ed too, which is really. Oh, yeah. Interesting. Yeah. So is this like a Scared Scared Straight kind of thing? Like, are they trying to make it. Set an example? So scared straight in the sense that, like, they were trying to scare other people straight. They were like, we're gonna. You. And you're like, you're going to like. I mean, I. I'll get into it. But they were like, I think there's some more context to what they were thinking. I think they actually thought that I might be violent. They were like, did you see she has that hair? Like, you know, kind of like skin bird? Yeah, I didn't. I didn't have that yet. Violent. So that happens. And then I get. Finally get released on house arrest, and I'm not allowed to use the Internet and I'm not allowed to leave my house. That lasts for like a year of. Can you imagine not using the Internet for a year? Not when MySpace, like, mattered, you know, like, that was. I'd be a pariah. Yeah. They would be like, oh, Brittany actually can't talk. Look at what my messages and comments and friend requests say. Yeah, right. Also, I wasn't allowed on, like, aim. Yeah. Which was how people communicated. It's not like I could text. You're pariah. Yeah, well, there's more. So that happens. And then, of course, I found a way to use the Internet. Teens are sneaky and they're smart. We're gonna get it done. How'd you know? And I had. How'd you do it all day? So I found the. This is crazy too, to think about that. We used to have, like a chip that had our Internet act like it wasn't part of the computer. So you could, like, remove the Internet chip. Like a land. A land card. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. That's what it was. Yeah. And at that point I was like, okay, dad gets home at 5, so I have until 5 o' clock to be on. On the Internet. And then my probation officer actually, like, this is weird, she looked up my aol, like, Instant messenger name, which I wish I could remember. So she finds that I'm on AOL instant messaging. At the time, though, I was actually on it on my phone. When she was like, I know that you're on the Internet. I was like, oh, no. She caught me. But if I had just been like, no, I wasn't. And then waited for her to tell me what she had on me, which was that she, like, found my AOL instant messaging name and, like, it showed me as available. I could have just been like, oh, that's on my phone. And actually you didn't say that I couldn't be on AOL instant messaging. But of course, 15 year old, you don't really know I did it. Yeah, that was what happened. So then my punishment was I had to go to military style boot camp. Oh, my God. I know. Like Cadet Kelly. Yeah, no, exactly like Cadet Kelly. This is unreal. So in prison you could have MTV2 on your. So you're seeing it. Yeah, so I'm seeing him host Headbangers Ball. I'm seeing the whole live for this triple X thing blow up. Dudes are asking me about my tattoo because I, you know, the. The tramp stamp. Do they believe you? Well, at first, before, like before Jamie was on. I mean, before Hate Breed was like, you know, kind Of a household name. Yeah. Guys would hit me up in prison, like, you know, is that a crew? What does that mean? Like, it's a band. I swear to God. Yeah, I'm not like you. It's a band. But. But after that all blew up, I mean, definitely, people were like, oh, I guess you must be a real fan of theirs. You know, stuff like that. No. No, actually, not anymore. Usnar Wall collab with Mike from y'. All. Oh, huge. War Zone versus Sick of it all foreign. I'm going War zone. I'm going Sick of it All. Yeah. Why don't we call Vital. Vitala would be good. All right, here we have Mr. James. Oh, we're live. Well, we're live music. Let's do it. What do you got, James? I've got. I've got a big matchup for you right now with the Mets hat. It's very appropriate for this. Yeah, we're in the second NAF bas. Beautiful. This. This second round matchup, we're at a standstill. We need you. War Zone versus Sick of It All. Wow. Isn't that tough? Not only do I feel totally off guard, I just feel like naked in the woods right now because I answered this in a basketball jersey, a hat that I'm proud of, but I'm just totally shocked right now. And then the question you're asking me is crazy. I know. Can I ask some questions on, like, how you're getting these answers? Absolutely. Our goal here was pure gut feeling. Yeah. It's just like gun to your head. You got to make a decision. To your head. You got to make a. You got to make a decision. I went Sick of it all. Bo said warzone. And I'll have you know that warzone beat Black Flag in the first round. As they should have. Yes. As they should have. Oh, my God. I think it's pretty impossible to be. Plus sweat, no tears. I'm staying Sick of it all. Thank you. I I. Dude, I think longevity has to be a factor here, and that's. That's a huge part of my thinking. You're not wrong. And just like, the sheer discography, discographal output, you know, and you're saying, sick of it all. I'm saying sick of it all. I think you're saying sick of it. I hate the situation I'm in right now. I think it's good. What do you say? I'm flipping. I'm going to work. Wow. Yeah. Shot him. That's why he's our manager. I'm not fucking happy about it. I know, but you went warzone and you know, listen, that's gut. Gut is gut. Pardon this interruption. We hate to interrupt this all time great classic episode with one of the all time great straight edge frontman of all time. But we gotta bring you a few quick messages. Nope. When you stank, don't thank. Just scape it up. Hold on, hold on. We're so close. Mac put me onto a thing called, called Dead Guy Hub. You gotta get on at Dead Guy Hub. What is that? If you want you, you will find out that I didn't know that if you touch an electrical wire the right way, it'll turn your head into a candle. Oh my God, it's people dying, dude. He's looking at legit, like tragedies. And I'm, I, I don't ask for it, it's just there. But that's your feed and you stop and watch them every time. There's a certain friend that has put this into my feed by texting me. And he's in a huge bag. It's like, dude, he's dead. Circa put out two more records and has since gone on hiatus. Would you call it a hiatus? No, feel free to answer or not answer. Okay. Yeah. I think hiatus was like thrusted upon us. Okay. But like, it's hard to talk about all that stuff just because like Circa, it was, it wasn't just like a band. Yeah. For me, like, so we were like, we were a family, you know what I mean? And when that went down, talk about things, I wish I would have done different, you know, when all that went down, it was like, you know, such a heartbreaking thing. You know, we. I never imagined it going away the way it went. And nobody, none of them would have. I don't even know the context of the story. We had a tour for this, for Blue Sky Noise. It was like our 10 year anniversary tour. It was gonna be a third 10 year anniversary tour and it was postponed by the pandemic like crazy. And we postponed it and postponed it and I relapsed right before and had to go to treatment. And it was like a really stressful time for the band. And this is like their. All their life is doing this band and all their life is. Is having to deal with me sometimes being accountable, sometimes being not. And I think it got to the point where it was so difficult and I was so far gone that I think for them, like the best thing was for me just to get help and to focus on that. And they didn't really, you know, nobody really knew how. What to do. And it was. There was darkness descended and, you know, like I said, I don't like war stories. Yeah, I'm not that kind of guy. You know, Circus Survivor is like the best thing that ever happened to me and I love it more than anything. And I'm, you know, I always want to celebrate it and I always will. And, you know. Yeah, it's a weird situation because, you know, what I want more than anything is for us all just to be friends with each other and regardless of no matter what. Like, all that stuff, like, that means to other people too. Like, all that stuff, like, I just, you know, and we've all kind of come together, you know, and not all of us, but I, you know, since then I've. We've, you know, I've been talking to everybody. You know, Nick the bass player came out to see me in California, and Colin and Brendan and I have spent time together and, you know, we've all been talking a little bit. And that's just. To me, that's everything. Yeah. I don't know if the band is ever going to do anything ever again. You know what I mean? Like, and even if it did, it, like, wouldn't be the same. It just wouldn't. And people want. Sometimes it's hard, you know, because you want to give people what they want, you want to do stuff like that, but it's like, not at all. And you're the expense of everyone. And I'm a people pleaser, so, like, I always want to give people what they want. And part of me feels like I don't even deserve to be here unless I'm doing what people want of me. You know what I mean? Yeah, of course. And so, like, it's tough, but, like, I don't want to put anybody in the bad situation, you know, Like, I just want to honor what everybody needs in their life. And just being able to be friends with those people and have them in my life in any way is like, really special. That's. Send them messages, like, remember that. And, you know, you know, Brendan and I saw each other ink and Dagger. We're at the Pit and Ink and Dagger in Philly. And like, it feels good to. To be. To be able to. To celebrate that again. And I. I love. I'm. It should be celebrated. Yeah, it should be celebrated. You know what I'm saying? I'm always down. Okay. Always down. Always ready. Here's what I'm gonna do. One more thing before we start. I'm gonna Pop an extra battery in the charger just in case something happens. Steven, you gotta get arc raiders in play. We can't stop and we won't stop. Let us rip. Ready? Yeah. Let it breathe a little. Yeah. Let him out. Let him out. Post human. Now, where you are currently standing and where you are currently watching us from your point of view is the point of view of every artist that ever played the Fireside bowl because you are currently on the very stage where every single band plays. There is. Tell me about. Yeah, Shane, come here. Yeah, tell me about the Fireside Bowl. Tell me about booking stuff here, seeing shows. Shows here. How. How was this the most iconic venue? The first year or two, there was no stage and you just were on the floor right here. Then things started to get a little crazy. So they. They built this stage which still stands here. And now it's like where they house all the bowling balls, but this is still the exact same. So. David Havoc. Yeah. Bowling balls. Well, there was no bowling balls in the stage, but yeah, now. Yeah, baby. Havoc. Yeah, A lot of times. Afi. A lot of those. Yeah. What are some legendary gigs you booked here or went to? Oh, one of my favorites I always talk about is Entombed Hatred and Bloodlet did a tour and they played here and tuned was on to Ride Shoot Straight and Speak the Truth and Hate has just come out with and what open that? Yeah, that was a. That was a cool show. And this is the stage. So if you back up, this is the pov. Yep. Was this the same floor? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yep. So same tiles and everything. This is the pit? Oh, yeah, this is it. But it would be so packed, you know, depending on the show. Was this open? Yeah, but they would explain it. They would put like a. A gate almost. It's like that orange construction fence that you see at like festivals and stuff. That was all right. Right where the wood could get damaged. That's where it started. What would technically the capacity be legal or what we actually fit what you did? Well, they don't do it anymore, so I think the statute's up. Legal capacity was 179. Holy hell. We had some shows, L7 Novis slapstick, where there was 800 people. 800 people. So you're talking people all the way in the back and in some cases even on the lanes. That happened a couple times early on, and then the owner's like, no more of that. No more of that. But it did happen a couple times when we start to advance into. To punk and hardcore. How do you get Hard. Harder. How do you get hard? How do you start to get musically more heavy and hard? So you ready for this? So here's my origin and here's where it happened for me. I actually started listening to a bunch of Swedish bands. Oh, like who? This band called DS13. Demon System. 13 out of Umeo, Sweden. Dennis from Refuse. It's his younger brother's band. Okay. And so I started getting into that before I actually got into American hardcore. No shit. How did you find that? Oh, how the did I find. You're on the Scandinavian Dark Way. Yeah, Right. Downloading. Crazy. You'd want the whole album. Yeah. So my homie gave me a record of kazoo DS13, this DS13 album. And it was just so, like, dope for me. And it was like, probably one of like the hardest albums that I had heard. And then I just started digging into like this Swedish, like, underground scene, you know, in Umeo, Sweden. And so obviously, like, you find like Refuse, but I was finding, like, bands like. It's so funny. So I was on Toby Morse's One Life, One Chance podcast and he had Dennis from Refused on. Oh, shit. And it's so funny because I showed Dennis my tattoo. Cause I have a DS or one or whatever it is. How many of those are. I know, right? There's about 12 of them. Exactly. 13. Dennis looked at it. He, like lifted his glasses up. He's just like, how do you know that? Because it's like, it was like just so deep. You know what I mean? And I was like naming all these, like bands that. He was just like, who are you? I was like, dude. I was a 15 year old kid that got kicked out of class. So I had to sit in homeroom. I don't know if you guys remember that. Like, homeroom. Yeah. Yeah. So I had. I had to sit the best part of the day. Yeah. And so I had to sit in homeroom. And so I was just on this, on the computer and I found this like Deranged Records or whatever. Found that, like, record label. And then it just showed all these like, Swedish bands. And so that's where it went hard for me. Wow. Yeah. I didn't get into like the American stuff until like, later. Yeah. What did. That's pretty good, right? Yeah, it's really good. It's really good. We're here with Joe from the Chicago Metro. He's going to show us around this spooky haunted venue and all the ghosts and the ghouls and the goblins and. And we're gonna. We're gonna show you an inside look at one of Chicago's greatest venues and this very definitely haunted place that Joe definitely believes in, right? Yeah, definitely. It's a nightclub. So it's like. People who come here tend to come multiple times a month sometimes or just hang out. You know, People come multiple times a month. This is. You said this. I'm pretty sure you said here. It is. People who come here tend to come multiple times a month sometimes. Go get a guitar. Go get a guitar. Does anything unite people more than the Halo? No. No. It's like a universal language. I watched five guys out there, like, just like choppers in their head. Like, what a. What a thing. Porter thinks. Thank you so much again for joining us. Awesome, guys. Thank you. You're the best. Thank you all for watching. Thank you all for listening. Listen to floor punch. Get the book. Bye. Take care. Beautiful. Yeah. Oh, shit. He just left. This episode is brought to you by Mad Vintage.