Top 10 Albums of All Time

Summary

HardLore: Stories from Tour — Episode Summary: Top 10 Albums of All Time

Release Date: January 2, 2025

Hosts Colin Young (God's Hate) and Bo Lueders (Harms Way) embark on a passionate and insightful journey in this special episode of HardLore: Stories from Tour. Combining their deep roots in the hardcore, punk, and metal scenes, Colin and Bo present their meticulously curated Top 10 Albums of All Time, delving into the significance, impact, and personal connections each record holds for them. The episode is rich with debates, personal anecdotes, and musical insights, making it a must-listen for both long-time fans and newcomers alike.

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Introduction: Setting the Stage

The episode kicks off with Colin and Bo celebrating the New Year and acknowledging James's birthday. They then introduce the challenge of selecting their Top 10 albums—a task they describe as one of their most difficult yet. Emphasizing that their list spans multiple genres, the hosts highlight the importance of gut instinct and personal resonance in their selection process.

Bo: "This is totally by choice, so we could have just not done it, but here we are because we're here to make these difficult decisions." (01:20)

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Honorable Mentions

Before diving into the Top 10, Colin and Bo share their Honorable Mentions, albums that nearly made the cut but were ultimately edged out due to the intensity of their final choices.

• Colin's Honorable Mentions:

  • Break Down the Walls by Youth of Today
  • A Life Less Plagued

• Bo's Honorable Mentions:

  • Danzig 2
  • Misfits – 12 Hits from Hell
  • Van Halen – 1984
  • Satisfaction is the Death of Desire
  • Sepultura – KSAD: Painful Agony
  • AFI – Sing the Sorrow
  • The Cure – Disintegration
  • Oasis – Be Here Now
  • Crosby, Stills & Nash – Self Titled
  • Silver Sun – Pickups: Swoon

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Top 10 Albums of All Time

Number 10: "Master of Puppets" by Metallica

Colin kicks off the Top 10 with Metallica's seminal work, "Master of Puppets." He praises its melodic arrangements, intricate solos, and raw aggression, highlighting its lasting impact on the metal genre.

Colin: "Master of Puppets, front to back, it's heavy. It's beautiful." (62:38)

Bo concurs, emphasizing the album's technical prowess and its status as the best thrash metal record ever.

Bo: "Raining Blood is the best thrash metal album, period." (21:29)

Number 9: "Violator" by Depeche Mode

Bo selects "Violator" as his top electronic music album, lauding its sequencing and the seamless transition between tracks. He highlights songs like "Waiting for the Night" and "Enjoy the Silence" as exemplary works of sonic engineering.

Bo: "This is Depeche Mode, Reach Out, Touch Faith... enjoy the Silence is maybe the greatest album transition in history." (11:08)

Colin adds his thoughts, agreeing on the album's excellence and expressing surprise at initially overlooking it.

Number 8: "Nightfall" by Candlemass

Bo crowns "Nightfall" as the greatest doom metal album of all time, citing its influential, theatrical, and powerful nature. He admires Messiah's vocal prowess and the album's ability to transcend traditional doom metal boundaries.

Bo: "Messiah is a melody God... he is Mr. Hardlore." (14:31)

Colin appreciates the album's uniqueness and emotional depth, though he personally ranks "Fleetwood Mac – Rumours" here.

Colin: "Fleetwood Mac – Rumours... It's got one skip, but the songwriting is incredible." (14:49)

Number 7: "Raining Blood" by Slayer

Colin passionately defends "Raining Blood" as the epitome of thrash metal, praising its raw aggression and innovative breakdown chugs. He emphasizes Slayer's unparalleled status in the genre.

Colin: "Raining Blood might be the first overt Breakdown Chug... it's the best thrash metal album, period." (23:23)

Bo echoes these sentiments, highlighting the technical mastery of the band members and the album's enduring legacy.

Number 6: "Static Age" by Misfits

Colin selects "Static Age" as his top punk album, celebrating its creepy vibes and influential sound. He reminisces about the album's impact on his musical journey.

Colin: "Static Age is the best punk album ever... It's like generational milestones." (27:01)

Bo agrees, noting the album's raw energy and its foundational role in shaping his musical identity.

Number 5: "Bad" by Michael Jackson

Bo bridges genres by introducing "Bad" as the greatest pop album, acknowledging its record-breaking hits and profound influence on pop music. He shares personal connections, highlighting how the album shapes his appreciation for pop.

Bo: "Thriller is like not synthesized... Bad is Quincy Jones being like, 'Shut up, I'm gonna do this.'" (30:26)

Colin adds his admiration for the album's songwriting and its multifaceted appeal, despite personal preferences for certain tracks.

Number 4: "Slow, Deep and Hard" by Typo Negative

Bo places "Slow, Deep and Hard" by Typo Negative at number four, praising its emotive storytelling and seamless blend of hardcore elements with melodic nuances. He reflects on the album's profound personal impact.

Bo: "This record is a hardcore masterpiece... it tells a story with such rare nuance." (36:07)

Colin concurs, sharing personal anecdotes about how the album influenced his musical direction during his formative years.

Number 3: "Angel Dust" by Faith No More

Bo elevates "Angel Dust" as his third favorite album, commending its genre-defying creativity and sonic freedom. He lauds Mike Patton's exceptional vocal range and the album's intricate compositions.

Bo: "Angel Dust is pure creative music freedom... Mike Patton is Mount Rushmore." (52:02)

Colin echoes the praise, emphasizing the album's versatility and its enduring relevance in modern music.

Number 2: "Homogenic" by Björk

Colin presents "Homogenic" as his second choice, celebrating Björk's innovative approach and the album's emotional depth. He shares a personal story about how this record changed his perception of music.

Colin: "Homogenic... it changed what I thought about music. 'Unravel' is one of the most beautiful songs ever written." (54:07)

Bo adds his admiration for Björk's unique artistry, drawing comparisons to other avant-garde musicians and highlighting her unparalleled creative vision.

Bo: "There will never be another Björk... She is the queen of all music." (54:57)

Number 1: "The Wall" by Pink Floyd

In a climactic finale, Bo crowns Pink Floyd's "The Wall" as the Top Album of All Time. He extols its comprehensive thematic storytelling, groundbreaking production, and the seamless integration of music and narrative. The album's influence, both sonically and culturally, is underscored as unparalleled.

Bo: "This is the best album, period... It's an incredible example of there being absolutely no rules in music." (58:27)

Colin contemplates his own top pick but ultimately praises "The Wall" for its artistic mastery and enduring legacy.

Colin: "Master of Puppets... it's the best metal record. But 'The Wall' is monumental." (62:38)

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Final Thoughts and Reflections

Colin and Bo wrap up the episode by reflecting on the subjective nature of their list, emphasizing the personal connections and profound impact these albums have had on their lives and careers. They acknowledge the diversity in their selections, celebrating the vast landscape of music that transcends genres and generations.

Colin: "I think that has to count for something." (66:44)

The hosts conclude with gratitude towards their listeners, promising more engaging discussions in future episodes.

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Notable Quotes

• Bo on Selecting Violator:

  "Enjoy the Silence is maybe the greatest album transition in history." (11:08)

• Colin on Master of Puppets:

  "Master of Puppets, front to back, it's heavy. It's beautiful." (62:38)

• Bo on Angel Dust:

  "Mike Patton is Mount Rushmore." (52:52)

• Colin on Homogenic:

  "Unravel is one of the most beautiful songs ever written." (54:07)

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Conclusion

This episode of HardLore: Stories from Tour offers a deep dive into the hosts' musical influences and preferences, presenting a compelling blend of hardcore passion and thoughtful analysis. Colin Young and Bo Lueders successfully navigate the complexities of defining the "Top 10 Albums of All Time," providing listeners with not only a ranked list but also the stories and emotions that make each album a cornerstone in their musical journeys.

Whether you're revisiting these classics or discovering them anew, this episode serves as both a celebration and a reflection on the power of music to shape lives and forge enduring legacies.

Transcript

[A]

Number nine is Marauder Master Killer.

[B]

We're going to have to wait to talk about.

[A]

Yes, this is on your. Obviously this is on your top 10. We'll wait to talk about it.

[B]

But quick episode. Hello, welcome and Happy New Year, everybody.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

I know. It is 2025. It's absolutely sickening. But here we are. We. How are you both?

[A]

Thank you. So I was gonna say I'm doing well. Thank you. Today's James birthday for everyone watching. So go.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

Go bother him about that. I mean, I was. Happy birthday, James.

[B]

I guess.

[A]

I don't know.

[B]

So if you see him around Chicago, give him a can of coke. He needs it. Guys, this is, this is a big one.

[A]

It's a big one.

[B]

We, We've made a huge mistake today in this episode that we've picked, but we're sticking to it.

[A]

It's one of the more difficult things we've ever actually done, ever.

[B]

This is totally by choice, so we could have just not done it, but here we are because we're here to make these difficult decisions and get this stuff out there and just, you know, canonize these things. Because today, this is the official hard lore Top 10 albums of all time episode. This is my picks for top 10, Bose picks for top 10.

[A]

And, and this is not restricted to any one genre. This is cross genre. This is all. This is music.

[B]

Yeah. And you know, I've gone over this 15 times. I've changed it 15 times. But also I kept in mind that like, gut instinct has to be accounted for.

[A]

Yeah. But then what, what happened was, I told you last night, I went through all my vinyl because my, my, my thinking was if I own it on vinyl, I probably like really like it if I, if I otherwise just couldn't find it. And there was a couple that I didn't have and I was like, oh, this is, this is a top 10 record. And I had to bump a couple.

[B]

Yeah, I, I mean, I have, I have 10 honorable mentions off the rip. I can just rifle through if you do too.

[A]

I have 10 also, we can go back to back because it's, it's just interesting. I want to. I'm very curious. How core heavy is your top 10?

[B]

Not super. There's a couple. Ah, really? Technically none, but like hair splitting a couple.

[A]

Okay. Oh, I just thought of another one. Oh my God, this is gonna be so hard.

[B]

It's hard, but we gotta just do it. Okay.

[A]

Yeah. So I didn't put any.

[B]

This changes every day. Changes every single day. But at time of recording, right. And At Time of Watching, which for you is January 2, 2025. Makes me sick. My first. Let's just blow through these. Like, not much detail. And I'm sorry if I say one that's on your list.

[A]

That's fine, I'm sure. Yeah, yeah. Same.

[B]

My first honorable mention, the Cranberries to the Faithful Departed.

[A]

Mine was Break down the Walls, Youth of Today.

[B]

Love it. Second honorable mention, Danzig 2.

[A]

Okay. Second is Age of Coral.

[B]

Love it. Third. Third honorable mention. Misfits. 12 hits from hell.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That's surprising.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

Third for me was a Life Less Plagued. When I thought, wow. When I went knee jerk, it was really hard for me to not put it in there. But I just know that I'm not being a. Like, I'm not being factual.

[B]

Totally.

[A]

But I love that record.

[B]

Same here. For this, which is only Living Witness, Proto Form, Pro Immortal Form. My next honorable mention.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

I think you're gonna hear my top 10. You're gonna go, yeah, okay.

[A]

Yeah. Probably for me. My next one was Pretty Hate Machine by Nine Inch Nails.

[B]

That was. I know. That was hard.

[A]

Hurt, dude.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Hurt.

[B]

My next honorable mention is Van Halen, 1984.

[A]

What a mention.

[B]

And, like, dude. And the thing is, this is favorite, you know?

[A]

Yeah. Yeah.

[B]

This isn't best because, like, are these 10 records I'm about to pick better than 1984? Like, no.

[A]

Right, right.

[B]

But I guess I like them more totally.

[A]

No, and that's. That's exactly how you have to do it.

[B]

You gotta do it.

[A]

Would be interesting to do an objective best record of what's the best out. What's the best one? You know, I guess because. Is it record sales?

[B]

This is not opinion. These are the best.

[A]

My next one is Satisfaction is the Death of the Death Desire.

[B]

My next one is Satisfaction is the Death of Desire.

[A]

I'm actually shocked that that's in your honorable mentions.

[B]

Me too. But you'll get it, you know.

[A]

Okay. My next one is Danzig One.

[B]

Love it.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Love it. My next one is Black Sabbath. Sabotage.

[A]

I didn't put any Black Sabbath. My next one is Sepultura ksad. Painful Agony.

[B]

That. That. That was tough to cut. It's tough to cut. You know, I listen to 100 albums a week regularly, you know?

[A]

Yeah, right.

[B]

Like, my favorite music is. I got about a thousand albums I love.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

The narrowing down to 10 is impossible. But we did it. And it may be not right, but we'll get that. My next one is AFI Sing the Sorrow. Honorable mention.

[A]

Damn.

[B]

That's a perfect piece These.

[A]

These next three honorable mentions are, as you just said, perfect pieces of music that are truly, like, any given day could probably swap into the top 10. Like they're that close. Disintegration by the Cure.

[B]

My next one is Oasis. Be Here Now.

[A]

I didn't put any Oasis on, which I just realized when we started recording. I just realized that. So that's.

[B]

It's like, that's better than most things, you know.

[A]

My next one was the first Crosby, Stills and Nash self titled record, which I.

[B]

Cool.

[A]

It's a recent Love.

[B]

You love that one.

[A]

But I love it. God, do I love it.

[B]

My last one is. This was like number 10 and I bumped it.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Silver Sun, Pickups. Swoon.

[A]

Really?

[B]

People don't know I'm a. I'm a pickup man.

[A]

I had no idea.

[B]

I think they're one of the greatest American rock bands of this century.

[A]

Interesting. One of the greatest British rock bands was the Rolling Stones and Beggars Banquet was my very top honorable mention. That got bumped off of the list. There's literally, without spoilers, there's a line crossed through.

[B]

Yeah, there we go. So that was our honorable mentions. Felt like killing all of your best friends at the same time.

[A]

It's most of the core, which sucks. Yeah, yeah, it sucks. But we're being like, I can't listen to hardcore all the time. I just can't.

[B]

Hey, we. We listen all music, but we are hardcore kids.

[A]

Of course. But this.

[B]

This top 10, who we are, it ain't what we're always. Yeah, spin it. But we're here to appreciate it. My number 10.

[A]

Number 10 best favorite record of all time, Colin Young's number 10 all time favorite rapper.

[B]

This is. Yeah. Okay, so here. Here we go. These are Bo and I's 10 favorite albums ever.

[A]

Ever.

[B]

My number 10 is River Runs Red by Life of Agony.

[A]

Interesting. Yeah, that's core. I'd call that core.

[B]

That's core.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And. And I think the re. The reason it's so important and why it's number 10 to me is it established so much of what core can be.

[A]

I got you.

[B]

I didn't second guess that it was hardcore.

[A]

Yeah, you know, I got a couple.

[B]

I didn't second guess that there's somehow ideologically no difference between Life of Agony and Youth of Today, you know?

[A]

Got you.

[B]

Yeah, it's the same thing. It sounds completely different, but somehow to the heart, it's the same. One guy's wearing a fedora and it's still the same somehow. I don't know. I'LL I don't ask.

[A]

You know, dude, always with a fedora, never with sleeves. Just the.

[B]

Never with sleeves. The misfits shirt. It is what it is. You know, I. I love this album. It established so much of. Of who I am. It kept me alive for a few years. Some could say obviously influenced me musically greatly, personally, just in terms of my output. Can't imagine never hearing it again. And I continue to be inspired by it.

[A]

That. That's a good way to look at this list is what records could you not bear to never hear again?

[B]

And Those last. The 10 honorable mentions are all. So it's really fucking hard.

[A]

All right. My number 10 that I remembered last night because I own it and I bumped Rolling Stones off. Alison Chains, Jar of Flies. Yeah. And now listen, this is an episode.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

This is like kind of no rules here. Yeah, you're right, exactly. But, like, I'm fully aware that I'm giving a top 10 spot to essentially four songs.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Because there's like the weird swing song and then there's the. The one song I really don't like on this record.

[B]

Sure.

[A]

Like, this is a record that has.

[B]

Skips for me, but four songs, four perfect songs to you that you deeply resonate is. Is. Is sometimes that's all you need versus a 10, 14, 15 song album.

[A]

In my darkest days, this was a record that I, for better or for worse, I played. I would say, alexa, good morning. She would start playing and it would be Doodle Noodle. Every.

[B]

Which is just the fucking most darkest, most oppressive way to wake up I could possibly imagine.

[A]

Every single.

[B]

That was. That was Dark Bow.

[A]

Yeah, that was Dark Bow. That was. That was Dark Times. But, like, I adore this record. I love SAP. I love the MTV Unplugged, how they kind of combine everything. So I'm like. And I love all Alice in Chains, but this one in particular got me good.

[B]

This is you, Dirt. Dirt is a pretty big omission for me. God damn brutal.

[A]

Yeah. My number nine is, like, hilarious in the context of our show. I'm. Obviously, I'm going to wait. But it's funny.

[B]

My number nine is, I think, the best piece of electronic music ever recorded.

[A]

Oh.

[B]

And it's because there's tons of guitar. It was. The band was seasoned. They've been a band for 10 years. They finally broke through and made it work with the album Violator. This is Depeche Mode, Reach Out, Touch, Faith. Huge. This is banger after banger after banger after banger. And I think one of the Greatest examples of sequencing.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Magic.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Because you. You open perfectly. And Waiting for the Night and enjoy the Silence is maybe the greatest album transition in history. You got Halo, you got Policy of Truth.

[A]

When Policy of Truth kicks on, I. It's impossible for me to sit still. I'm. Yeah. I'm bopping, I'm moving. This is a huge emission for me. Massive.

[B]

You can't believe it.

[A]

I can't. But, like. So this is. Case in point. I can't believe I forgot about Violator. This is ridiculous.

[B]

Yeah. This maybe. It's hopefully no surprise to anybody. We love Depeche Mode. We. They are songwriting engineers.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Can only describe them.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And. And it really don't get any better than this for this kind of music period.

[A]

I fully agree.

[B]

I know.

[A]

All right. Number nine, which. Which for me is within the context of this show and how much we put this record over. Number nine is Marauder Master Killer.

[B]

We're gonna have to wait.

[A]

Yeah. So this is on your. Obviously this is on your top 10. We'll wait to talk about it.

[B]

But quick episode.

[A]

All right.

[B]

My number eight is. This may be sacrilegious to anyone over 50 years old, maybe, but this is to me, the greatest doom metal album of all time. And you'll see throughout this list, it's like the anatomy of Me, you know? And to me, something. A band. So influential, so meaningful, so powerful, so theatrical, which you know damn well I love. The band is Candle Mass. The album is Nightfall.

[A]

Beautiful. I was wondering, because I know you celebrate the whole catalog.

[B]

I really do.

[A]

And I was wondering which. Yeah.

[B]

Etc.

[A]

I was just wondering which one was going to. Was going to be the one.

[B]

It's got to be Nightfall. I mean, I love Epicus, but I just think Messiah, like, made the band.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Which again, the 60 year olds hate me for thinking that, but I'm right. Messiah. Just a literal vocal God.

[A]

It's crazy.

[B]

A melody God. My master. Even the way that he sings Lathe's songs. I think the guy's name is Are. Is just. Is superior in every way. I. I don't know what the I would be or do without without ever hearing Candlemass again.

[A]

Interesting. What. What are those? You have tidbits that people probably haven't heard that I love about. He didn't try out over the phone.

[B]

Trying out. He auditioned over the phone. Crushed it, got there and they were like, yeah, this is the fucking guy. Performed with hamburgers in his robe so they would be warm by the time they finished.

[A]

This is our Guy.

[B]

This is the guy.

[A]

This is it.

[B]

He is Mr. Hardlore.

[A]

Messiah.

[B]

Messiah is Mr. Harbor.

[A]

All right. Beautiful answer. Good answer.

[B]

Thank you. Thank you.

[A]

I'm wondering now. I, I, I, I imagine so. But number eight for me is Fleetwood Mac Rumors. When It's Raining.

[B]

Not on mine.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

It's in the top 30. It probably would be.

[A]

Okay. This record, I think, has one skip. It's the piano lady. One of her. Oh, Daddy. I don't like that song personally, if you include Silver Springs on this because it was from that session and blah, blah, blah. I, And, And I'm. I didn't, like, grow up like a Mac head, you know, I really. I. It wasn't. It was kind of something I've discovered in my 20s, I suppose. I just can't believe how incredible the song. Right. Specifically the songwriting is. Lindsay Buckingham's guitar playing on, like, that. That. Never gonna go with that. The song, that's just him. It's one guitar psycho, and he's singing over it. It's crazy.

[B]

That's impossible. It's only him and Hetfield only could pull that off.

[A]

So.

[B]

Two Rhythm Goats.

[A]

I love that record. I listen to it. That's. That's like a. Oh, we got three hours from the show to the hotel. That goes on. And then also on top of all of that is knowing all the lore, knowing all the drama going on with the record. The dude VH1 Classics is like an amazing series, and they do it on. There's like a. There's a Ton. There's Ace of Spades, Nevermind, you know, and there's a Rumors ep. There's a Rumors one. And it's so good because it has them all, like, they're all separate and they're all playing their. And kind of talking about it and.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Man, it's intense.

[B]

I think this was something that, upon discovering it, my first thought was like, oh, a lot of music sucks.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Compared to the shit like this?

[A]

Yes, dude. Like, 70s guitar music is pretty tough to beat.

[B]

Just like the greatest rippers in history.

[A]

All living in Laurel Canyon.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Just. Yeah, dude. And just come on. Creating the best, you know.

[B]

Game over. Great pick. Was hard to omit for me, but I had to go with my gut here. Here we go. Number seven. And you know, the man may be a nonce. He may be a right prick. He may be a wank Morrissey and. And which album do I pick, you know, because where do I go here?

[A]

We're either gonna have to wait to talk about it or we're Good.

[B]

I don't think we are.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

I think I. I went with my gut, and I think I know what yours is. Mine is, you are the quarry. First of the gang with a gun.

[A]

In his hand and the first to do time.

[B]

Beautiful.

[A]

Yeah. We're good. Talk about it.

[B]

Jerry Finn, you know, this guy does Bad Religion, afi, all kinds of punk, great punk music. Then he gets to make this record for Morrissey in 2004. And it's fucking a piece of like, sonic engineering. Masterpiece.

[A]

Oh, dude, it sounds.

[B]

It sounds perfect.

[A]

Perfect. Yeah.

[B]

You can say what you will about the album opener, but then it is just non stop. America is not the world is. Is the open.

[A]

Song rocks, dude.

[B]

Song rocks, but a lot of people skip it.

[A]

Really?

[B]

I don't.

[A]

Not me.

[B]

I'll shove that hamburger right up my ass, dude.

[A]

I love that song.

[B]

I'm all in. I can't get enough of this thing to this day, I think it is like many of the best hooks ever written. All in a row, intelligently sung. You don't know what he's talking about half the time. But then by the next line, you figured it all out. He doesn't waste word. Doesn't waste a single syllable on this thing. If he says a line, he's like, that was a great line. I'm gonna say that shit again so that they really understand. This thing is perfect, man. It's a great record. It's inspiring to me as a. As a songwriter, as a lyricist, as a crooner, as a sad guy. You know, there's so. There's something here for everybody, dude, I think.

[A]

Wasn't Irish Blood English Heart on my hard songs list? Like. Yeah, this song or this record has every. Dude. Everything from, like, poppy to sad to, like, kind of hard. Kind of like. Yeah, you.

[B]

Well, isn't. Is the last song. You know I wouldn't last or, you know, I couldn't last. Is that. Is that this record? Is that yours? Refusal?

[A]

No, I. I believe it's that one.

[B]

It is this one. Yours Refusal is I'm okay By Myself, which is insane. Which was also Jerry Finn. That was Jerry Finn's last album he ever did. Really? Yeah. Oh, he did. So he did, like, every Blink 182 record too.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Literal God.

[A]

Yeah. Just a master. That record. Here's a Refusal. Sounds really good.

[B]

Sounds nuts, dude. And it was his last one. That was his coup de gr. Insane. Yeah. What a record. Holy.

[A]

Good pick.

[B]

This is so hard.

[A]

Yeah. Ready?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

My number seven is from a little band in California called Slayer. The album I went with is Raining Blood.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

That's the one that, like, people will say. People will take, like, a. Like, a stance and be like, I'm a. I'm a South of Heaven guy. Or I'm a seasoned guy and, like, Slayer guy. Yeah, yeah. It's straight up. And for me, that record, I still don't understand how they did it. There are some of these records you can kind of, like, trace and you can see like, okay, well, this is like kind of a folk thing or whatever. You can kind of. I have no idea how this was.

[B]

Changed everything, like, and they didn't.

[A]

Slayer were so unique in that. Like, I don't. They, like. They didn't care about who, like, how they were perceived or, like.

[B]

I think. I think once the makeup came off, that was the case, maybe.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

And then it was just like, okay, so we're clearly the best, right?

[A]

We're the best one. So let's do something that none of these other ones can do.

[B]

I think. I think Rain and Blood is the best thrash metal album, period.

[A]

Hands down.

[B]

Like, no joke.

[A]

It's not my favorite one, but it is the best one. And I do think that's an objective truth.

[B]

I love that you say that, and I know it's coming, so I love that you say that. Dave Lombardo, the greatest, the metal drummer in history. Pay him. Bring him back.

[A]

He plays metal like a punk guy. And that's why. Yes, that's why.

[B]

That's why it works. He's in the goddamn misfits now. The man gets it. You've got Hanneman, the real king, you know, And Tom just absolutely always holding.

[A]

It down, holding it down. And, like. I don't know, dude. Some of the, like, little tags and, like, I think of, like, Ultra Sacrifice, where it's like. Like, just like the little. Little pickups and stuff that they chose to write. Tuning a little a half step lower. Like, all the cool. Like, I.

[B]

And Carrie. Carrie and Jeff's writing being so similar and cohesive and still having, like, their own little identity, each one.

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

Just so special, man. There. There. There's never been another Slayer. And I, like. I love these first few Slayer records so much that it, like, makes me not like, a ton of other thrash metal.

[A]

100%. I know. I know exactly what you mean, because there's just, like, a. Holy shit to all of these records. There's like, a thing where it's just, like.

[B]

I remember it's like the Sopranos.

[A]

It kind of Is like this.

[B]

I don't. I don't need to see another mob story. The Sopranos did it.

[A]

Yeah, they perfectly. It reminds me of. Your brother learned to play every song on Rain and Blood.

[B]

He sure did.

[A]

And that was very impressive to me. And down pick, like play correctly. Yeah, it's very impressive he.

[B]

Him doing that. There's. There's Slayer riffs in everything.

[A]

Yeah, sure.

[B]

You just. Well, learning. Doing something like that is like. Oh, I learned a new. It's not even. It's not like a scale. It's like a. I learned a new jump.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah, right.

[B]

Oh, you put this one after this one and then it does that. Okay, cool.

[A]

And then also last thing I'll say, I truly think, apart from. From some Black Sabbath riff that I maybe don't know, I think Raining Blood might be the first overt like Breakdown Chug. I mean, where does that. That. If you really think about that piece of music and when it came out, no one else was doing that. Why were they doing that?

[B]

We gotta trace it. We've got to figure it out.

[A]

We got to figure it out. But I think that the Anatomy of.

[B]

A Breakdown for now we believe. I think that Slayer's doing.

[A]

Yeah. So number seven, Raining Blood.

[B]

Outstanding. My number six is I said can. I said Nightfall was the best doom metal album of all time. And I think this transcends doom metal. It's so much more. I could show this to my mom tomorrow and she'd be like, this is such an incredible piece of music, buddy. Thanks for showing me Five songs. One hour. That's what it's all about to me. I don't need a minute long fast thing.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I want a journey. Give me a fantasy role playing RPG as a five song album, you know, which is exactly what Watching From a Distance by Warning is.

[A]

One of your most heralded records, I would say.

[B]

Oh, yeah. I. I like. Not a second is wasted on this thing. And you, like. You have. It's. It's like Elden Ring where upon first glance, upon first listen, you might not get everything, but you read the. You look through the descriptions, you listen to every single little note and riff and choice they make, and it's just like. It's filled with such intent and purpose and. And power and emotion. It's sad. It's so sad. But you need that. You. It. It's. It's fuel. It's. It's. It's. It's ammo.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

For you to keep rocking because somebody feels as shitty or shittier than you. Do.

[A]

Where are they from?

[B]

Morning uk.

[A]

Really?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Didn't know that.

[B]

It's raining all the time.

[A]

Yeah. Right. You know, it's fucking raining.

[B]

He's frightening his dog. You know, that's. That's a natural progression. And that's the greatest bridge in the history of music.

[A]

So.

[B]

Footprints. So I had to represent it on the best albums ever.

[A]

You know, there is some. Like this is one that I knew was going to be on there. Yeah, sure. I. I have several. But yeah, this was. This was one.

[B]

Had to.

[A]

Good answer. Number six for me, my favorite punk band. I think the most influential punk band of all time, the Misfits. I went with Static Age.

[B]

I. That makes sense.

[A]

Yep.

[B]

Thank you Tom B. For making it happen.

[A]

Straight up.

[B]

I like Goddamn Dude.

[A]

I like the creepy songs. I like the ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding. I like those kind of things. I love TV casualties. I love the song Static Age. Like think about how. How Static Age starts. There's like that ring. It's just like so unique and so creepy.

[B]

Another one of those things where you just think, how did you know to do that?

[A]

How. How the fuck did you know that?

[B]

And why didn't you put this out when you recorded it in 1978?

[A]

How insane is that? What are you waiting for?

[B]

And people were arguing in the episode like they were young punks with no money. What the you talking about? Jerry lived in a mansion. Glenn put out 1 billion 7 inch singles. Just put out a LP instead. Yeah, you could have saved the world with this thing in 78.

[A]

You can. You can make the argument that it's like, oh yeah, they were young. They probably didn't have money. Except for they obviously had money. Cuz they.

[B]

They had a label.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

They were in a mansion.

[A]

Constant.

[B]

And a homemade guitar. Static Age is the best punk album ever.

[A]

I think so.

[B]

I think so.

[A]

I think it's literally that. And like. And Outcome the Wolves. Like those are like the two. You know what I mean?

[B]

Yeah. Those are the generational milestones.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah, I like that. 70s static age. 80s bad brains.

[A]

Yeah, probably I'm a rock for like guy 90s rancid. Yeah, I love it.

[B]

Easy Easy and Bad Religion. What's up? Yeah. What. What more can we say about them? This.

[A]

Yeah, we talk about them all the goddamn time. I know you guys are sick of hear, but please, please, if you haven't just listened to this record and put yourself.

[B]

They've heard it, you've heard it. Yeah. My number five, polar opposite. We're talking the best Punk band ever. Then I naturally, as a fan of pop music, have to talk about the King and the greatest pop album of all time. This. This single record is the reason I appreciate or care about pop music at all. It has, I think, tied for the most number one hits in history on any album.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

It is Quincy Jones PS De Resistance. The album is bad by Michael Jackson.

[A]

I love. And one of the first things I ever knew about you was that you were a big Michael Jackson guy.

[B]

Huge.

[A]

Like way back when we first met. And I've always went.

[B]

Went to the memorial and everything.

[A]

That's right. I've always been a big Michael Jackson guy too because of my dad. So I really agree with you that like this deserves to be on there.

[B]

It's got to be.

[A]

How old were you when you found it?

[B]

Early teens.

[A]

Okay. Okay.

[B]

So I'm like listening to Morbid angel and Michael. Michael Jackson back to back.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And that's like. I'm like. I figured out who I am and.

[A]

What I like and these two things.

[B]

The song, it's a deep cut, but the song, not a deep cut because it's probably a hit. But like in terms of this record and the general populi. Speed. Demon.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Song. There's a bass thing in the chorus. Speed.

[A]

It has to be synthesized. Right.

[B]

100.

[A]

Okay. Okay.

[B]

Everything on there is.

[A]

Other than Michael.

[B]

Thriller is like not synthesized.

[A]

Yeah. Thrillers instruments.

[B]

It's Toto rocking in studio. Literally in Van Nuys with this microphone. Bad is like Quincy Jones being like, shut the up. I'm gonna. I got this. Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And my God, it is. It. This is the most. This is maybe the most thorough, thoroughly listenable album in history.

[A]

I'm a Thriller guy, you know, and just.

[B]

But like it has. The Girl is Mine.

[A]

I love that song.

[B]

Skip.

[A]

No, dude.

[B]

There'S a couple others. What's. What is the track list? What is. How does Thriller start. Want to be starting something? Banger. Banger.

[A]

Unreal.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I think there's. I think there's. I don't like Billie Jean personally, but I understand. I mean it's. It's Iraq's obviously, but it's just not my.

[B]

My cup that I think is just him being like, I'm Michael, this is me. These are my. This is 10 Perfect Songs. Take it or leave it and the world took it. Five year gap.

[A]

That's crazy.

[B]

And delivered hard. Perseverance level.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Follow. As we've said.

[A]

That's great. Good answer. I mean, we're getting it. We're Getting it. This is number five.

[B]

This is.

[A]

This we're getting into, like. Like, this next record is the reason I picked up a guitar. You know? I mean, it's that level of, like, foundational. I love Led Zeppelin. I've always loved Led Zeppelin. There's a lot of good Zeppelin records, kind of only good Zeppelin records. A lot of people might pick one, might pick three or four. I'm a Houses of the Holy guy.

[B]

Yeah, you really are.

[A]

Houses of the Holy was. Was just. My dad put it on one time, and I was immediately into it. No Quarter is one of their heaviest songs. Crowbar Carver's. It rocks. Over the Hills Far Away is like, all, like. It rocks. The Ocean Dancing Days, front to back. I love this record. And I've probably listened to it more, probably more than any record, I think.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

When I was a kid, I would come home from school, put it on, and play my little Les Paul studio. Thinking I was playing. Right? You know, and then looking at a.

[B]

Video and being like, what the.

[A]

What the is he doing? Yeah.

[B]

This is like, guitar music milestone.

[A]

Yeah. I don't even know where it is. Like, I don't know the. The timeline of their discography very well. I imagine it goes one through four, and then. And then beyond. But wherever it was, it just seems like everyone was really. The ocean dude. Black Dog.

[B]

Yeah, Come on. Generational.

[A]

Whoops. Talk about a moment. What's up, guys? You know who it is. I didn't mean Black Dog. I meant the Rain Song. I know Black Dog's not on this record. I meant the Rain Song. Beautiful, lovely rain song. House of the Holy. What's up with practice? I mean, it's one of a kind. It's got them all. It's got them all. It's got everything I love and truly, this was the reason where literally my dad put this on a bunch. And I remember that summer school was starting up again. I was playing the coronet trumpet.

[B]

Oh.

[A]

And I was talking to him about what next year in school and, like, school band and stuff. And. And he was like, well, I. I was thinking maybe I would want to play, like, an oboe or something. Just, like, different, I think, the. You know, blah, blah. And he was like, if you walked into a room and there was a oboe in one corner and a guitar in the other, where are you gonna go? And I was like, a guitar. And, like, House of the Holy was playing while we're having this conversation, you know? And that was. That was it. I got a. A Strat right then.

[B]

That interaction yeah. Single, like singularly changed your life 100%.

[A]

I. I've never forgotten about that. Wow. Yeah. So House of the Lord.

[B]

That's pretty cool. Common, rare, Dad W. Yeah, there we go.

[A]

Old Danny Boy.

[B]

Rare Bose Dad W. My number four. Oh, Lord, here we go.

[A]

Yeah, we're getting into it.

[B]

Yeah. This is fucked. It's my favorite band of all time. Which is well documented now. And then it came time to pick an album. You know, and I've said different things on this show. Different records by this band are my favorite record by this band. The band is typo negative.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

And this was my gut. I had to go with my gut.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And that was the one that got me.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

The very first one I ever heard and the very first one they ever wrote. Slow, Deep and Hard.

[A]

Great pick because I also have one, but it's a different one, so we can talk about both.

[B]

And dude, this. I'm seeing a common thread here because this and Nightfall are like six songs and watching from Distance, five songs.

[A]

Oh, good point.

[B]

But an hour long because there's other little things sprinkled in there.

[A]

Your brother once broke it down to me that slow, deep and hard. Each song is a chapter about.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Kind of processing what happened to him. He got cheated on. And it's like finding out, killing her, killing him, finding out, blaming the guy, killing her, killing him, killing himself, killing himself. Those are the chapters. And then also, if you think about it, each song kind of has little like acts in it.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And they're. They're kind of subdivided in that way that is like.

[B]

And it tells the story with. Brilliantly. With such like tongue in cheek, rare nuance. It's so unique and like the. Their inspirations are all there, you know?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Misfits, Kiss, Black Sabbath, Pink Floyd. It's all there. But done in such a unique way that like no band has ever. And I've tried ever been able to replicate it. And this. This is still very much like 40. A straight up hardcore record.

[A]

Oh, yeah. It's the unsuccessfully coping is like all the way through.

[B]

It's just hardcore. That's hardcore music, dude.

[A]

I.

[B]

Until it's not.

[A]

I love this record. I. I kind of got. I. I started with the one I'll talk about later and then kind of worked my way outward either direction. And when I found this. And specifically gravity, once you get to Gravity, which is kind of the payoff of this whole thing, it's totally. One more time won't matter. No question. Suicidal self expression is the last thing he Says. And then there's.

[B]

And then he's dead.

[A]

Unless. Unless you have the. The version with the Jimmy Hendrick cover, which rocks, by the way.

[B]

Hey, Peter.

[A]

Dude.

[B]

Holy Kenny. That's. The other thing is you get this bonus live version of this thing. That's better.

[A]

It's. Yeah. Yeah. It's so good, man. I love that record. I have that. I have an original VHS tape and original vinyl of that.

[B]

Beautiful. Yeah. This is. This is my fourth favorite album in history that I'll stamp. You know, I got no second thoughts or reservations, but I knew this was on there as soon as I started.

[A]

Good. Yeah.

[B]

This band absolutely changed my life, altered the course of my creative existence. Always will. There's always going to be a little typo in whatever I do. R.I.P. pete.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. I've got to get some of them on the show this year. The new year.

[A]

I would love to. My number four is. The nonce is back. The nutter. He's back.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It is a Morrissey record. Is Vox hall and I. That is the one for me. It's got everything.

[B]

I. I would say. I would think the majority would agree.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Hold on, your friends.

[A]

Hold on to your friends. That. That guitar is so lovely and just, like, comforting.

[B]

It is. And then it, like, devastatingly builds to the. Just like that. And that's him being like, I don't need you, Johnny. I got Goons, you know, I got Boss. I got goons doing your yes.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Brilliantly.

[A]

Why don't you find out for yourself? Is on there.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[A]

Dude. Like, literally. There are.

[B]

The saddest days are mad.

[A]

There's. I think, people. Billy Bud is number two, I think. And then it's. And then there's Spring Hill Gym, which I think people skip Spring Hill, Jim. A lot.

[B]

I love that song. I love the samples.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And I catch him and I say.

[A]

But, yeah. Speedway closing. That record which felt like. Like the. Like the ultimate culmination. And it was almost cut. Do you know that? It was like, not a key he was comfortable in.

[B]

Insane.

[A]

Dude. Yeah.

[B]

It is high. And when you say, yeah, it's not that bad. He's got higher stuff.

[A]

He does it all the time. So I don't know. Yeah, he's just a weirdo. But that song ends in such a perfect, beautiful way. In my own. In my own sick way. I'll always be true to you I'll always be true.

[B]

Yeah, that's. That's a lyrical Mount Rushmore for show for shout it's on your body forever It Is so. That's cool. Yeah. This. This record, like, broke me in high school.

[A]

I also think it's. It's sonically perfect, too. I think it's.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

Like, there's.

[B]

It is real.

[A]

There is nothing I would change about this record. And this was one where. When we decided to do this list, I knew this was going on. It was just a matter of where for sure. Yeah.

[B]

This. If it wasn't for Quarry, this would be on here, the one. And I don't even think necessarily that Quarry is better than this. It's just what I like.

[A]

Yeah, right, right.

[B]

Makes no sense what we do, but we do it anyway.

[A]

All right, top three.

[B]

Morrissey, you fucking scumbag. Wouldn't it just be awesome if he was awesome?

[A]

If he was just cool and normal.

[B]

We would have such an easy existence, you know?

[A]

I'm surprised he hasn't gotten worse, to be honest with you.

[B]

I think he did. And that's why that wreck. I think. I think the record is just Slur. The new one is just Slur after Slur.

[A]

God.

[B]

The record is called Slurs, and Capital just won't put it out. Which I understand, but don't you have enough money to do it yourself at this point, Stephen?

[A]

Yeah, right. Stephen Patrick.

[B]

Not you, Steven. Editor Steven. Steven P. Morrissey, you scumbag. My number three is Master Killer by Marauder. I am the Master Killer for tomorrow.

[A]

Talk about it.

[B]

Yeah, let's get into it.

[A]

Where did you discover this? Was this Taylor?

[B]

This was Taylor. I think I was 13.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And I think Taylor was like, I think you'll like this type thing. Or was playing it. And I was like, that's pretty good. And I would say maybe six months later, I revisited again privately.

[A]

Aha.

[B]

And then I don't think I listened to anything else for a year. And then again. Again, I did that every year where. Every year I'd rediscover it. And then once I started really writing music and diving into, like, you know, the genealogy of where things start, where they. Where they come from, lyric vocals, writing lyrics and all that. This was just everything I'd ever been looking for.

[A]

I've talked about this. I've talked about this before. A friend who passed away gave me a Burn CD with Age of Quarrel and Master Killer on it.

[B]

Right.

[A]

And Age of Coral was first, and I immediately liked it, even though there were guitar solos. I remember it was like kind of a thing that, like, this is like two metal. Because there's like. Like, we gotta know it has a solo in It. You know, I.

[B]

What's so funny is that there was a kid at my high school who had the same sentiment, and it always confused me.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

His. His name was Chris Martinez. Shout out to Chris Martinez. He would be. He loved. He loved hardcore. He loved all kinds of things. And he'd be like, I like a lot of. I love hardcore, man. But, like, solos are just kind of white trash to me. Which. Which, like, very. Was such a Valley thing to say.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, it did.

[B]

It did.

[A]

Screamed. It screamed like rock star. So I was like. I was adverse, but there was such a aura about this record that I was like, well, I'll just give it a shot. And obviously, I ended up loving it. When I put on Master Killer, I was. I was like, oh, this is too. This is definitely too metal.

[B]

This is metal.

[A]

But that same CD I had and I. When I did revisit it, I just let it play on in my car. I just. I realized a. How absolutely perfect it sounds.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

How. How incredibly heavy. Both the lyrics and every. Like, there's nothing in there that is not so intentional.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That whole record, front to back, is like, this is. This is for all you in the pit, like, every second.

[B]

Every second. And Jorge's vocal performance is. Dude is amongst the greatest in history.

[A]

Yeah. All time.

[B]

This is per. This is. We've gone on and on and on. We've. We've made it a patreon tier. Adjective. Patreon tier. This is. This record is. Is part of us at this point. This is the third best album ever to me.

[A]

All right. My number three.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Is Typo Negative. Is October Rust. Yeah, October.

[B]

I. I expected that.

[A]

I had heard Black number one and Christian Woman, and I was like, okay. I kind of like, whatever. And I saw my girlfriend's girlfriend, like, the music video. And I'll. I'll never forget it was. We're at somebody's house and there were like, older hardcore dudes there, and they were like, yo, this is the guy who wrote, like, AF Records. And I was like. I literally said, yeah, but this sucks. Like, what. You know, I didn't. I didn't get it. I did not connect with me this. But I never listened to the record. And the second, love you to death came on when I really sat down in my 20s and gave it just the first second.

[B]

Yeah, me, I'm the biggest fool.

[A]

And then straight into Druidus and, like, it's just like, dude, that.

[B]

I had the same experience with my girlfriend's girlfriend video on MTV X Taylor, and I yeah. Because they played constantly.

[A]

All the time. Yeah, all the time.

[B]

And Taylor always had the blue Grape catalogs and would be like, they have to be good because their shirts are the best.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

The best ones in the catalog. And it. But it took. It took some time, but. And once we were both teenagers, it was. And earlier, I think I was 12, when we both really, like, did the dive. And I've never looked back.

[A]

And don't get me wrong, I love my girlfriend's girlfriend now. Like, I think that song rocks.

[B]

Great.

[A]

But. Yeah, from. From that to Green man to Wolf Moon, it's just. It's incredible. It's. It's such a perfect. I guess it's not technically a sophomore record, is it? But it's like the follow up to their big record.

[B]

Yeah. And it's. Which we're gonna talk about again in a second. But. Yeah, that. And that's. The pressure was on, dude, because you got Bloody Kisses opens with two smash hits in a row. And then they. And then I. I would think. I think October Rust underperforms. Technically.

[A]

It did. It only went gold. And I read a thing with Josh where they said. He said that My girlfriend's Girlfriend was written to be the first single because whoever put it out, I guess it was Roadrunner, didn't. They didn't think anything was strong enough. The band wanted to do Love you to Death, but they didn't think a ballad was a good idea. So they wrote it like. Like during the recording and that became the single. And they attribute that to it underperforming, which possibly.

[B]

I mean, listen to both of our stories.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

We saw that video and we're like, this can't be. For us.

[A]

This can't be good. Yeah.

[B]

So they were Roadrunner rare. Roadrunner L for. For the 90s.

[A]

For the 90s, yeah.

[B]

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Bo it's, it's the dark ages. It's pre history.

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I. I think we both look and feel better than ever.

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[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And to piggyback off of what you were just talking about in terms of follow ups to smash hits that maybe didn't meet expectations because I don't know, they were too intelligently written or put together and went over people's heads. I, I think. And this is not technically their sophomore record, but it is the sophomore record with this vocalist. The band is Faith no More. The album is Angel Dust. Few things compare. A few things come close in terms of Just, like, sheer re. Enjoyability.

[A]

This record is a chameleon. There's no one genre. There's no one pigeonhole. It is just pure creative music freedom, dude.

[B]

It is sonic freedom. It is. It is an incredible example of there being absolutely no rules in music.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

It's hard. It's melodic. It's fun.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

It's beautiful.

[A]

Beautiful. Yeah. Legitimately.

[B]

Everything's ruined. Beautiful song. Beautiful fucking malpractice. Crazy song. Scary kindergarten. What is he talking about?

[A]

I don't. Football.

[B]

I. Yeah. I don't know, but I love it.

[A]

The COVID The COVID the COVID Possibly better than the original.

[B]

I agree.

[A]

It's crazy.

[B]

Lionel might, too, you know?

[A]

Yeah. It's.

[B]

They still play it to this day, and. And they. Them playing that at all. Recording it and doing it is like a you to. To expectations.

[A]

Right? Right.

[B]

I was like, oh, yeah, we're. You want us to cover Slayer? Here's. Here's Lionel.

[A]

Yeah. Here's the.

[B]

Kiss my ass.

[A]

Yeah. It's amazing.

[B]

And Mike Patton is Mount Rushmore.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Vocal users, you know?

[A]

Yeah. He. He. What's funny is people who know vaguely about music just. Just beyond, like. Yeah, I listen to music. People who, like, know about stuff. Everyone knows that Mike Patton is, like, the guy. The guy.

[B]

I think he was like, science. It was, like, scientifically measured, like, vocal range in male rock singers.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah.

[B]

And it's like him and Axl Rose neck and neck. Or he might be over him, I don't know. But, man, hearing this thing, discovering angel dust. I smoke this every day to this day.

[A]

2015, we were on a tour with Leo and Baker. Leo played bass, I think, for Harm's Way, and Baker was doing merch with us, and we called it a one a day. And they would play Angel Dust once a day in the van for a.

[B]

Month, and Day ain't right without it sometimes.

[A]

Dude, what a record.

[B]

It's perfect.

[A]

It's perfect. It's a great, great pick. Number two. Wow.

[B]

Yeah. All right.

[A]

My number two pick. It's no surprise. These are not going to be surprises anywhere. I love this little freaky witch. She's my favorite.

[B]

Ah.

[A]

She's. She's the queen of all music.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

When I first heard Homogenic by Bjork, it changed what I thought about music. And I'm not. I'm not being hyperbolic about it. I legitimately was, like, very much into guitar and very much into. And my mom always had Bjork CDs. And then this one came out, and I listened to it, and from the start it like. It feels cold. It sounds cold. Lord knows what she's talking about. The song Unravel is one of the most beautiful songs ever written, in my opinion. And it's just like song four. Just kind of a deep cut.

[B]

Not really in there. There. There will never be another Bjork.

[A]

No, no. God, no. I don't. Who comes close?

[B]

Nobody who cuz rhymes for a minute, I guess, but it's just still not. Not anywhere near the same.

[A]

Grimes is actually a really good comparison because she was producing her own music and considerably. Well, yeah. Bjork is just like so beyond. I mean, you're talking.

[B]

She. I mean, she didn't grow up in what, like the Icelandic.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Hellscape that Bjork grew up in.

[A]

You know, um. She's a fucking freak and so open about that and just like. Yeah, I don't care. I'm. I'm me. And like, she's just. She's the coolest to me.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Sugar Cubes were kind of a punk band, so that's kind of cool too. That was her band before her solo show. She produced all of her own stuff with this pair of brothers and blah blah, blah. But I've never seen her. She's. She's my number one, like electric.

[B]

Have I ever told you about our older brother Aaron's like Icelandic escapade?

[A]

No.

[B]

Where he went a little crazy for a minute and like went. Moved to Iceland basically for like six months.

[A]

Oh.

[B]

And like hung out with Bjork's mom a few times. And I don't know. He could be lying about all this, by the way, but it's pretty cool lie if so. And I guess at one point saw Bjork do a full Joy Division set.

[A]

Whoa.

[B]

Which is really cool.

[A]

There's a. There's. I've seen video of her doing Level Terrorists Apart. Well, I've seen it through and it's in Iceland.

[B]

There we go.

[A]

Crazy. But yeah, I love Bjork. You know what's funny? My first connection with Bjork was cky2k. They go to Iceland and they play hyper ballad or something. I think during just like a montage of them fucking around in Iceland. And that was my first like. Oh, I liked that. And I didn't know why. And I was in fourth grade. Fifth grade.

[B]

Right.

[A]

But I just didn't know, you know.

[B]

But yeah, CKY is one of those. Tony Hawk esque.

[A]

Very much so. CKY and Jackass. Very much.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

They play the Misfits all the time.

[B]

Misfits.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

All kinds. The band. Cky fucking bitter beings, bro. Okay.

[A]

This is it. This is number one.

[B]

This is it. And you know, I'm gonna. People may not expect this.

[A]

I wonder if I can guess it.

[B]

I don't think you can.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Let's try. Give it a shot. I know.

[A]

Yours maybe. I think I'm gonna go with the Genesis record.

[B]

No Wind and Wuthering was probably the. The next honorable mention.

[A]

Gotcha.

[B]

Good God. I. I think there it's. It's very long in a way that's like. It's tough to get through.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

In one sitting.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Whereas this should be tough to get through in one sitting and somehow isn't interesting. I don't know. Many people don't know that I really rock with this record in this band like this. But. And. And in the. In the case of favorite versus best.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I think this is the best.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Like, period. I think this is all time rock albums, production, thematics, theatrics, lyrics, riffs, vibe, Art. Art. Art direction with an incredible movie to go along with it. The band is Pink Floyd.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

The album is the Wall.

[A]

Really?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That's your favorite record of all?

[B]

My favorite album, period. I think it's. And it's. And I said I think it's the best album, you know?

[A]

Yeah. Yeah.

[B]

Like, is it my. I think it's my favorite. But I definitely know it's the best. And it taught me so much. Kind of subliminally, you know, doing three parts of the same song and looking forward to all of them every time and not getting tired of them. They're all like a minute long. Doing in the Flesh twice. You.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Using the Rift like a score. It's in the record 50 times.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

[B]

And every time I'm like, it's back. Which is like, creatively maybe lazy, but also the most brilliant thing to be. Like. I'm not done with that risk. I want to use it again.

[A]

So intentional, you know.

[B]

So intentional. And that is like you. You don't have to be the most technical band. Even though they can riff their asses off.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Big time drummers doing is like catching cymbals where they shouldn't be caught. And I'll never forget it. Every time. The movie's unbelievable. I'll watch it today. I know the whole thing like the back of my head. All time performances by, like, guys who aren't the best singers in the world. You know. But they had the fucking sauce and they had the swag and they had. This is two years After Static Age, by the way, think about what society could have done if Static Age just came out. But also just think about the time that this was.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And what this sounds like and what this is and what it did. Just two years after something like Static Age is written. Just that. That puts a weird perspective to how good this is and how important it is and how massive it is it. And again, this is heavy, melodic, wild, unpredictable.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah.

[B]

Very.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

One of the last songs is an orchestral nightmare. The Trial.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You never know where this thing's going. And the hits that they hide in, like, track, like Comfortably Numb is like track 19.

[A]

It doesn't make any sense.

[B]

Think about that.

[A]

I've noticed that. I noticed that recently. Yeah.

[B]

And by the time you get there, you're like, this is now, like, what?

[A]

You buried this. This is on.

[B]

Because that, because that wasn't even a concept to them burying a song.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

It was just the journey that they knew people would take. And they did.

[A]

You're listening to the whole thing.

[B]

I'm listening to the whole thing damn near every time.

[A]

How many LPs was this?

[B]

I think four.

[A]

Four. Four LP record.

[B]

Four LPs. Which when. Now we know from the 12 hits episode that a single sale of a four LP box set counts as four sales.

[A]

Pretty nifty.

[B]

This thing's got to be like many, many platinumed.

[A]

Yeah. It must be, huh?

[B]

I think this is the best album, period.

[A]

Amazing. Wow. Do you know.

[B]

And I. You can argue that.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But I, I, I don't. This is the best one. So.

[A]

So good luck.

[B]

So. I don't know.

[A]

Do you know what mine is?

[B]

I do. Does it start with an M?

[A]

Sure. Of course.

[B]

Does the band start with M and the album start with an M? Yeah.

[A]

Mine is Master of Puppets by Metallica, I think is the greatest. It's the best metal record. It's got everything. Because here's what. Here's what it has that Rain and Blood doesn't have is it has melody and beautiful arrangements and stuff like. And I think it's got some of Kirk's best solos. I think it's got some of Lars most like solid drumming. You know, there's some, like, batteries. Crazy. But he.

[B]

I don't think there's a deniable second on Masterpiece.

[A]

I don't think so either. I've often said. And this is. I want to be known that this is my opinion. Kill Them all isn't my favorite. I think they were kind of finding themselves. Ride Lightning. Best Vibe. Bullet Belts, Skateboards. Sam Hayne shirts.

[B]

It's like borderline. Just a punk record straight up. It's. It's like an enhanced punk record.

[A]

It's awesome.

[B]

And then going back and reading reviews of Ride the lightning from 84.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

People are like, is it 84 or 86?

[A]

84. 84.

[B]

And they're like, if you like them for. Because they were a hardcore band, it's over. They sold out by Ride the Lightning.

[A]

It's awesome. And then I think Master is the best record.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Just the best experience from.

[B]

Experience from.

[A]

Is it Battery to Damage. Like.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

On Dude Crazy. I. I think. And justice has the best singles. My. Some of my favorite singles. Blackened One in Harvester. And then I think Black Album sounds incredible. It's like the best sonic experience. But Master of Puppets, front to back, it's. It's heavy. It's beautiful. I. I remember I was on Schick Road in Roselle, Illinois at a age of 16 when the part in Master, when that came on. I remember driving being like, holy shit, this is awesome. And that was driving. Yeah, I was 16.

[B]

Damn. So this wasn't like a young bow skating it up in the town.

[A]

Young Bo was skating it up to AFI and Misfits Records. I had a weird. Yeah, but I had a weird thing. The only Metallica I had had experience with was S M record because my mom really liked it.

[B]

S M rips.

[A]

It's awesome. I have so good. No qualms. But that's all I really. I remember. She. She got the double cassette and then everything that was on the radio at the time, I didn't really like. And then a lot of Black Album because it's on the radio or mtv. I didn't dive into old Metallica, especially when I was like punk, punk, punk, punk, punk.

[B]

Right, right. Totally. And then it changed you.

[A]

Oh, it changed me. For better, for worse. Jesus Christ.

[B]

You can see it right there on that arm.

[A]

That's Metallica. I know. Yeah. It's no surprise anyone. I think Metallica is my favorite band. It's. It's often a toss up between them and the Misfits.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Those are the two. And you know, one of them wouldn't exist without the other, so I think maybe. But the ban.

[B]

An album is such a different.

[A]

Such a different thing.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But yeah, I think Master of Puppets is their best album.

[B]

Yeah, it's. I agree.

[A]

It's the easiest to get through.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

There's no like Escape or whatever the is on ride and there's no 10 minute song on Injustice. Yeah.

[B]

Pretty Good, though.

[A]

It's all right.

[B]

It's all right.

[A]

Sorry.

[B]

I think this is their best sounding record, too. I think it smokes Black Album production, really.

[A]

It's definitely two different flavors, you know?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

One, one.

[B]

This is like. This is very real, very raw, very aggressive. And Black Album was like, we need to make this sound the best.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. There you go.

[B]

And I don't think that's always. And they've never strayed from that. And I think that's the problem. Now.

[A]

I'm with you.

[B]

It was, with all due respect to.

[A]

The Gods, Master, I think, was recorded in Copenhagen, too. In the same place they did Insane, they did Ride, Master and Justice, I believe. In the same place.

[B]

Crazy. What a run.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

That's our 10 favorite albums of all time.

[A]

Listen, this is us.

[B]

I don't see how there could possibly be controversy here because this is a deeply personal discussion. Right?

[A]

Yeah. Are there any that you remembered that you. Because I remembered a SO by Peter Gabriel, like, while we were already going.

[B]

I mean, Genesis, Wind, and Wuthering is a tough one to leave out. It's tough. But I stand by my picks.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I like 1 million things, but these are the 10 that came to mind. And I think. I think that has to count for something.

[A]

I love it.

[B]

So thank you all for watching. Happy New Year. We will be back next week so soon with some more fun stuff and then the next 5 billion months and weeks after that. Thank you all for watching. Bye.