Graveyard Shift: A Demon Followed Her Family?!

Summary

Haunted Cosmos – Graveyard Shift: "A Demon Followed Her Family?!"

Hosts: Ben Garrett & Brian Sauvé
Guest: "Brittany" (Anonymous)
Date: October 8, 2025
Theme: Investigating generational demonic oppression, syncretism, and faith from a Christian perspective

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Episode Overview

In this emotionally charged episode of the Graveyard Shift series, Ben and Brian interview "Brittany"—an anonymous friend whose family has been shadowed by what she describes as a generational demonic curse. Raised in a family immersed in Catholicism, witchcraft (brujaria), and cultural syncretism, Brittany shares how dark supernatural phenomena plagued her upbringing—and how her own conversion to Christianity, coupled with prayer and faith, has begun to sever these spiritual chains.

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Key Discussion Points

1. Family Background: Syncretic Catholicism and Witchcraft

• Brittany’s family on both sides are devoutly Catholic—but her mother’s side is deeply involved in brujaria (witchcraft), especially through her aunt in Mexico, an active witch-doctor.
  Quote:

  “My aunt in Mexico is an active witch that you can go see to get healed from.”
  (Brittany, 06:20)

• First exposure to “high strangeness” was at an early age; it was simply “the water I was drinking from as a child.”
  (03:00–03:18)

2. Early Supernatural Experiences

• Grandfather’s Ritual:
  Her grandfather, sick from repeated strokes, traveled to Mexico for a ritual. The witch-aunt performed frightening rites (including decapitating a chicken over him), after which he briefly recovered, then suffered even worse health problems.
  (06:40–08:00)

• Messages from the Dead & The "Hat Man":
  Family members who died would reportedly “visit” the living, always described as appearing in hats.
  Quote:

  "They always said they came to visit wearing a hat."
  (Brittany, 09:24)

3. Disturbing Encounters and Haunting Phenomena

• Impostor in the Bed:
  Brittany's mother, after losing her brother to suicide, awoke one morning "elbowing" her husband (who was not in bed)—sparked suspicion of a ghostly presence. Family elders insisted it was her dead brother visiting.
  (09:24–11:02)

• Poltergeist Activity:
  Objects moved or were mysteriously tied together; speakers turned on at 3am nightly with loud, unexplained music (12:01–13:26). Blamed on the deceased uncle’s spirit.

• Locked In:
  Brittany and her mother were trapped in a room whose door seemingly wouldn’t open, despite attempts to call for help and bang on walls. Only after prayer did a neighbor effortlessly open it.
  Quote:

  "She just said, God, please keep him safe... And [the door] just effortlessly opened."
  (15:49–16:30)

4. The Cycle Continues: Moving, More Manifestations, Family Tragedy

• After moving homes, the strange activity persisted—hallucinations, locked doors, and worsening personal circumstances (mother’s substance abuse, parents' separation).
  (21:50–23:31)

• Substance abuse escalated, and Brittany, newly Christian, faced hostility for her faith.
  Quote:

  “She would scream at me just like reading the Bible… throw things at me.”
  (24:18–24:20)

5. Conversion Experience and Spiritual Breakthrough

• Brittany converted to Christianity in high school after a reluctant visit to a For King and Country concert, where she heard the gospel for the first time. She describes her “full Calvinist” conviction that followed.
  (18:26–20:44)

• Her pursuit of faith met resistance; had to lie about going to church, read the Bible aloud at home (due to dyslexia) despite her mother’s rage.
  (23:31–24:29)

6. Religious Syncretism and Occult Handling

• Family would buy “Catholic sage” and bring in the witch-aunt for rituals, blending Catholic and pagan practices. Even priests responded with fear-mongering or requests for offerings.
  Quote:

  “We would buy sage from our church to, like, sage our house… And I guess most Catholics don’t practice that…”
  (26:33–27:11)

7. Night Terrors, the “Hat Man,” and Spiritual Warfare

• Described her mother's interactions with "the man in the hat" (Hat Man ESP), panic attacks, and near-violent outbursts possibly linked to demonic oppression or possession.
• Notable moment: Brittany prays for her mother in the throes of a supernatural-tinged panic attack, and her mother abruptly calms.
  (29:00–30:07)
• The physical and personality changes observed in her mother during these times (unnatural strength, unrecognizable face) are compared to classic possession manifestations.
  Quote:

  “There were times when she would get so angry and frustrated at me that I didn't recognize her face. Like, her face was not her face.”
  (31:32)

8. Spiritual Breakthrough and the Power of Christ

• With marriage and children, Brittany experienced a cycle where the dark presence would reappear after each birth, but with prayer and faith, its proximity diminished—eventually left standing outside her home, unable to enter.
  Quote:

  “It came back, but it got further and further away... It’s outside the house now because it can't come in.”
  (46:36–46:55)

• The hosts affirm how the demonic “playbook” is to attack through the seed and family; prayer and the presence of Christ break the cycle.

9. Reflecting on Generational Curses and Hope

• Panel discusses generational sin, demonic legalism, and God’s mercy (“mercy to the thousandth generation…”).
• Brittany observes feeling like “the outcast,” but now recognizes this as the conviction of the Holy Spirit and grace at work.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Witchcraft’s Empty Promises:

  "...everything that's not from God, right? It was bad. So he had like six strokes that next month."
  (Brittany, 07:51)

• On Demons and Syncretism:

  "You can't use Christ as a talisman... the sons of Sceva... get cooked, dude."
  (Ben, 43:32–43:59)

• On Prayer and Family Protection:

  “When you’re in this house, God is in this house, and that means the darkness is redeemed… Now all the darkness does is help us sleep good.”
  (Ben, 50:36–51:56)

• On Breaking Generational Chains:

  “We’re first gen Christians, and so we have a lot of chains to break ourselves... this curse that has infiltrated my family for generations would be cut off here. This is it.”
  (Brittany, 52:40–53:42)

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Important Segments & Timestamps

• [06:20] – Introduction to Brittany’s family’s blend of Catholicism and brujaria
• [09:24] – Translating family “ghost visits,” connections to Hat Man
• [12:38] – Poltergeist phenomena; father’s skepticism despite evidence
• [15:48–16:30] – Supernatural rescue: door opens after prayer
• [18:26] – Brittany’s conversion testimony
• [21:50] – Ongoing demonic manifestations in subsequent homes
• [24:18] – Hostility faced at home for faith and Bible reading
• [27:11] – Ritualistic use of “Catholic sage” and syncretistic beliefs
• [29:00–30:11] – Praying during her mother’s demonic panic attack
• [31:32] – Descriptions of mother’s possession (unrecognizable face, supernatural strength)
• [46:36–46:55] – The demon’s progressive retreat as faith grows in her home
• [52:40–53:42] – Request for prayer: ending generational curse

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Tone & Style

The conversation is raw, honest, occasionally heavy with dark humor and warmth—a signature mix for Haunted Cosmos. Brittany’s storytelling is detail-rich and candid, while Ben and Brian frame her experiences within biblical narratives, Christian theology, and gentle encouragement. Light teasing, banter, and a supportive dynamic keep the weighty subject matter approachable.

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Key Takeaways for Listeners

• Brittany’s family history is an unnerving case study in generational spiritual bondage, cultural syncretism, and the destructive power of the occult intermingled with nominal religion.
• Demonic oppression manifested in her life as supernatural visitations, haunting phenomena, and familial chaos—but her embrace of the Christian gospel became a turning point in severing this legacy.
• The episode affirms the real, ongoing spiritual battle Christians face and the vital need for prayer, vigilance, and the authority found in Christ alone.
• The hosts encourage listeners to pray for Brittany’s family as they seek healing, protection, and continued freedom from generational spiritual bondage.

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Prayer Request:

"Just pray that our kids would grow and be faithful Christians and have fruitful lives and that this curse that has infiltrated my family for generations would be cut off here. This is it.”
(Brittany, 53:42)

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For fans of supernatural storytelling and Christian perspectives on spiritual warfare, this episode is a compelling listen—both unsettling and ultimately hopeful.

Transcript

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[Ben Garrett]

In this episode of the Graveyard Shift, we talk to another one of our anonymous friends about the demonic generational curse that has afflicted her family and the way the Lord Jesus Christ is bringing it to an end.

[Brittany (Anonymous Guest)]

My aunt in Mexico is an active witch that you can go see to get healed from. And it was outside the house and I remember hearing it, like, knock on my window.

[Ben Garrett]

He tells Satan the whole plan. The seed of the woman is going to crush your head. That's the plan, yeah. Satan, therefore, is like, aha. So all I have to do is corrupt the seed of the woman.

[Brian Sauvay]

The demons would be confronted with Christ in the gospels. They'd be like, oh, please, it's not our time yet. Like, they even know they're cooked.

[Brittany (Anonymous Guest)]

This is the first time that I actually ever heard my mom pray. I just remember her closing her eyes and holding her hands and she just said, God, please keep him safe.

[Brian Sauvay]

Well, welcome everybody, to this special Haunted Cosmos edition of the Graveyard Shift where we are interviewing people who have crazy stories of the supernatural paranormal and talking about it from a Christian perspective. I'm, of course, your host, Brian Sauvay, joined by my host, Ben Garrett.

[Ben Garrett]

Hugh Jackman.

[Brian Sauvay]

No, if you do it, I will leave. Hello, I will leave.

[Ben Garrett]

No, my name has Ben Garrett. I'm happy to be here. And who's our guest today?

[Brian Sauvay]

Brian, joined by a very special guest. Now, many of our guests in this series want to remain anonymous, and so we are respecting that by again telling you their full name and Social Security in the description. But here in the episode, we're actually just going to call our guest today, Brittany. Welcome to the show, Brittany.

[Brittany (Anonymous Guest)]

Thanks for having me.

[Brian Sauvay]

It is so good to have you on the show today, Brittany. It is weird to call you Brittany.

[Ben Garrett]

Once again, we know our anonymous guests, and calling them by a different name is weird. Calling them anonymous is weird. But Brittany's here. And Brittany, let me ask you something.

[Brittany (Anonymous Guest)]

Yeah.

[Ben Garrett]

When did you first get exposed to kind of the world of high strangeness? Or was it, like, experience that brought you into it? Or did you ever become interested in Discovery Channel as a kid like we were?

[Brittany (Anonymous Guest)]

So the day was August 1990.

[Ben Garrett]

Wow. Wow.

[Brittany (Anonymous Guest)]

That's actually the day I was born. Okay.

[Brian Sauvay]

Okay.

[Ben Garrett]

So from the very beginning, you've been like a die hard.

[Brian Sauvay]

I love how, like, we're anonymous. Here's my exact. Here's my birthday.

[Brittany (Anonymous Guest)]

Oh, yeah.

[Ben Garrett]

I didn't think about that. Hey, and what is your current home address?

[Brittany (Anonymous Guest)]

I live in. No, actually my family is really rooted in witchcraft.

[Ben Garrett]

Really?

[Brittany (Anonymous Guest)]

I've been exposed to high strangeness since I can remember, like five, six years.

[Ben Garrett]

So yours is an interesting perspective because it's like that was just kind of the water that you were drinking from as a, like, living as a child versus some fringe interest that a lot of us had. Like Brian and I. As a fringe interest? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. So you kind of bring a set of seriousness teeth to the issue that I think is really helpful.

[Brian Sauvay]

Born in it, shaped by it.

[Ben Garrett]

You're the Bane of Hana Cosmos.

[Martina McBride]

Yeah.

[Ben Garrett]

Not in a bad way. Like, I mean, you're not a villain and you're not like the Bane in like a monkey wrench sense. Everyone knows exactly what I mean.

[Brian Sauvay]

Everybody's following you. Exactly. Ben. It wasn't confusing at all. I almost forgot your fake name for a minute. Brittany, how long have you been listening to Haunted Cosmos?

[Brittany (Anonymous Guest)]

How long has it been going?

[Ben Garrett]

Since March 2022. Thank you.

[Brittany (Anonymous Guest)]

Since March 2022.

[Brian Sauvay]

Wow. Let's go.

[Ben Garrett]

We got a lifer.

[Brian Sauvay]

We've got another lifer on our hands here.

[Ben Garrett]

And what is your favorite? This is actually a interview just about us.

[Brian Sauvay]

Just about Hound Cosmos at this point.

[Ben Garrett]

No, what is your favorite episode?

[Brittany (Anonymous Guest)]

My favorite episode is the one about Dyatlov Pass.

[Ben Garrett]

Oh, wow.

[Brian Sauvay]

See that shows a certain level of intellectual, like, prowess because that is just a good story.

[Ben Garrett]

Yeah, that's like, you know, Dave Portnoy would really love the episode on Skinwalker Ranch. Right.

[Brian Sauvay]

I don't even know what that means.

[Ben Garrett]

But like, Plato would really love the Outlaw Pass.

[Brian Sauvay]

Dude, let's be honest. Plato would love all of our.

[Ben Garrett]

We got Martina McBride laughing at that one.

[Brian Sauvay]

Welcome to the show. Martina McBride back in the controller booth over there. That's right.

[Ben Garrett]

Right.

[Brian Sauvay]

Well, before we totally ruin this episode, why don't we just say, Brittany, tell us your story. Whatever starting point, whatever pace you want to go. We're going to try not to interrupt you. We might ask a question here and there, but we just want to hear what your experience or experiences have been and then we'll talk about them a little bit. Maybe afterward?

[Brittany (Anonymous Guest)]

Yeah, sure. Okay.

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[Brittany (Anonymous Guest)]

My family is really thick into Catholicism on both sides, my mom and my dad. But my mom's side has like a weird. They call it brujarias, which I don't know. It's like witchcraft. My aunt in Mexico is an active witch that you can go see to get healed from.

[Ben Garrett]

Like a witch doctor?

[Brittany (Anonymous Guest)]

Yeah, like a witch doctor. I have never met her, thanks to my father, so shout out to him. But yeah, they talk about her a lot. And when my grandpa got sick, I think my first interaction where I was more aware of what was going on was he got sick and had a few strokes and the doctors were like, you just need to stop drinking alcohol. And he was like, nah, my sister can, can definitely help me out here. Wow. So he went to Mexico and had her do a ritual over him and he described it as like kind of the scariest thing that he'd ever seen. I guess from what I remember she like decapitated a chicken over his body and did some rituals. She has a bunch of like stuff. I'm not sure what was in the stuff. He spared me those details. But yeah, he came back home and he was great for like a month. He had no strokes. He could drink like a fish. No, not a problem. But like everything that's not from God, right? It was bad. So he had like six strokes that next month.

[Brian Sauvay]

Oh my goodness, piled it all up.

[Brittany (Anonymous Guest)]

Yeah, we're lucky that he was. He's still living. But yeah, that was the first time I had ever heard like, what our family really. I think I was like five or six and I remember him telling me that. And he looked me dead in my eyes and said, if you don't believe in God, you really should Because I've seen things that nobody should see. I'm not really sure what that. What that meant, but.

[Brian Sauvay]

Is this some kind of, like, Mexican Roman Catholic hybrid kind of syncretism? Yeah, I. Witchcraft.

[Brittany (Anonymous Guest)]

I would say so, because my dad's Catholic and his family is Catholic, and they believe in weird things, but nothing as weird as witchcraft.

[Martina McBride]

Yeah.

[Ben Garrett]

Interesting.

[Brittany (Anonymous Guest)]

Yeah. That was. I would say, the first one that I had in my memory, and then the second one was. I actually did a story for you. I'll do. I'll say it again. But we had moved into our own house because we were living with my grandparents at the time, and I was 5, 6. All of this kind of happened pretty close together. But my dad, or. Sorry, my mom's brother passed away. He had hung himself in the backyard in the shed. And so that was really hard for my mom. But just like everything else in our family, whenever someone dies, they always come to visit. And what I didn't.

[Ben Garrett]

The dead ones.

[Brittany (Anonymous Guest)]

The deads. The dead ones come to visit. And I didn't put it together until actually hearing the episode on Hat Man. They always said they came to visit wearing a hat.

[Ben Garrett]

Whoa.

[Brittany (Anonymous Guest)]

All of them. My, you know, grandpa, my uncle, cousins. My mom's sister, she got hit by a car when she was young. But when she came to visit a member of our family, they always had a hat on. And that's how they knew. And, like, I don't know if you know Mexicans, but we like to wear cowboy hats. So they always were like. That makes sense that they were wearing a hat to let us know it was them. So after my uncle died, my mom woke up. She looked at the alarm clock, and it was way past when my dad was supposed to be at work. So she, you know, elbows him and is like, wake up, Wake up. You're late for work. In a panic, he's not budging. He's not moving. So she goes, flips the lights on, and nobody's in the bed with her.

[Brian Sauvay]

Dude, wait, but she was elbowing him.

[Brittany (Anonymous Guest)]

She was elbowing him. She was shaking him awake. And my dad's a light sleeper and has always been. So she was like, man, he must be dead or something. Like, something must be wrong. So she flipped the lights on. He wasn't there. She's panicked. She calls him. Cause she's thinking, there's someone in my house. Someone's under my bed. You know? So she grabs me. She locks us in her room. She calls him, and he's like, I've been at work since 5 this morning. It's now like 7:30.

[Martina McBride]

Yeah.

[Brian Sauvay]

Wow.

[Brittany (Anonymous Guest)]

And then he was like, well, I'll come home and check things out. Comes checks things out. Nothing's wrong.

[Ben Garrett]

No one's there.

[Brittany (Anonymous Guest)]

So she tells my grandparents, her mom and dad, and they're like, it was just your brother coming to visit you. Which even if that was true, why would he be in your bed? That's weird.

[Martina McBride]

Yeah.

[Brian Sauvay]

That's a very not cool way to.

[Ben Garrett]

Visit on multiple levels.

[Brian Sauvay]

Theologically wrong, Socially wrong.

[Ben Garrett]

Awkward at best.

[Brian Sauvay]

Super awkward.

[Brittany (Anonymous Guest)]

Yeah. So I don't know. That's just how they ration things. But after that, I hadn't learned how to tie my shoes yet. I hadn't started school yet. And my dad's shoes, his work boots would get tied together in like a neat bowl. And he would be like, oh, it was Brittany.

[Brian Sauvay]

It was Brittany.

[Brittany (Anonymous Guest)]

It was Brittany.

[Brian Sauvay]

It was Brittany.

[Brittany (Anonymous Guest)]

It was so soft.

[Brian Sauvay]

It's always Brittany.

[Ben Garrett]

It's Brittany, like tied together. Like what bullies used to do where the laces from either shoe are tied together.

[Brittany (Anonymous Guest)]

To be honest with you, I don't remember because I was so young. But my mom said that both laces were tied together.

[Ben Garrett]

Okay. So, I mean, either way, I guess I was just curious.

[Brian Sauvay]

But you couldn't have done the knot.

[Brittany (Anonymous Guest)]

I couldn't have done the knot.

[Brian Sauvay]

And they were just like, assuming.

[Brittany (Anonymous Guest)]

Well, my dad was. Cause my dad is not a believer. Believe it. He's not a believer in the supernatural at all. At all. He not till recently was religious, but he's always been like, no, no ghosts, no demons, no God, no Satan. We're just here kind of evolutionists. So he was like, no, there's no way that this is supernatural. But we also, because we're Hispanic, had big speakers in our house. Played music loudly all the time.

[Brian Sauvay]

I love how you just gradually drop that. We, you know, we're Hispanic, so the JBLs. Sometimes mom would hit me with a flip flop and there were JBLs everywhere.

[Brittany (Anonymous Guest)]

She never missed. But yeah, that. The big speakers. Well, the reason I bring that up is because I remember at she. Well, she told me, I just remember waking up from it. But at three in the morning, every morning for a while, the speakers would turn on full blast. Just like loud music. Woke everybody up, woke me up, woke my little brother up. And so she was always like, you know, it's just my brother.

[Brian Sauvay]

Was it mariachi?

[Brittany (Anonymous Guest)]

No, no, you don't want to know the type of music it was.

[Ben Garrett]

We said we weren't gonna interrupt.

[Brian Sauvay]

I'm sorry, I just couldn't she would say it was your brother.

[Brittany (Anonymous Guest)]

Yeah, it was her brother.

[Brian Sauvay]

It was her brother.

[Brittany (Anonymous Guest)]

Yeah, her brother. Letting him know that, you know, they're around or whatever.

[Ben Garrett]

Well, in case you forgot, in case.

[Brittany (Anonymous Guest)]

You forgot, here I am, I'm still around, watching over you. Well, yeah, so that's what, what happened. And the last thing that caused us to move actually was my brother was like three at the time and we were redoing my room. So she was even changing like doorknobs and stuff. Well, my brother was in the living room, me and her were in my room and the door just like slammed shut. No windows were open, nothing like that. And then she couldn't get the door open, like was slamming it, pushing it. And we were in a two story house. So the jump was like, no, we weren't going to do that. There was no way. Plus her and my dad were putting in a floor trampoline. So we had dug a huge hole right underneath my window. So the jump is even further now. So we're like, like shit, there's no balcony, there's nothing we can jump onto. So she's screaming. My neighbor, we lived in a townhouse, so we shared a wall. And for funsies, because they had kids my age, we would always like say things through the wall and you could probably like you could hear. Yeah, it was mumbly, muffly, whatever, but you could hear. So we knew that our neighbor was home because he worked from home. So we're banging on the wall and he could not hear us. He said like he couldn't hear.

[Ben Garrett]

That's weird.

[Brittany (Anonymous Guest)]

Yeah. So we're like, what is going on? But we knew he was home because we had just talked to him when we brought in some stuff to redo my room. So my mom, you know, tell my brothers come to the door and he's upset and so she tells him like, go next door and get our neighbor. And she's like, like hysterical. She's in tears. I'm in tears because I'm scared.

[Martina McBride]

Yeah.

[Brittany (Anonymous Guest)]

And so she, my brother goes next door. I don't know how he made it over there because I have, I've had a three year old and that's a risk. I would never send them, that's a risk to the neighbor's house.

[Ben Garrett]

But I don't even send my, my three year old upstairs on his own.

[Brian Sauvay]

No, no, they won't even return usually. Where'd they go?

[Brittany (Anonymous Guest)]

Yeah, yeah, right. So he went next door to get the neighbor and we hear the neighbor after. Honestly, it probably Was three or four minutes, but it felt like we were in there for hours.

[Martina McBride]

Yeah.

[Brittany (Anonymous Guest)]

So my mom. This is the first time that I actually ever heard my mom pray because my brother was gone, and she was scared, and I was scared with all these other things happening. I just remember her closing her eyes and folding her hands, and she just said, God, please keep him safe. You know? And so I was like, well, that's weird. I didn't grow up praying or anything. So I was the first I'd ever seen that. But the neighbor came. He was, like, calling for my mom, and she's like, we're in here banging on the door, trying to open. It didn't open. And so my mom took a step back, and she was like, can you try to open the door? And he turned the knob, and it.

[Ben Garrett]

Opened just, like, effortless.

[Brittany (Anonymous Guest)]

It just effortlessly opened because we had just replaced my door. Right. Like, we had just gotten a new door for me. And so my mom's like, I don't want you to break it down right away. Could you try maybe opening it yourself and then maybe getting some tools? And he was like, well, let me see what the problem is. And just.

[Brian Sauvay]

He's like, wow, that's like.

[Ben Garrett]

Like movie. Poltergeist stuff.

[Brian Sauvay]

It is. It's like a movie finished.

[Ben Garrett]

That's crazy.

[Martina McBride]

Just.

[Brittany (Anonymous Guest)]

Yeah.

[Brian Sauvay]

So you guys almost. It was almost like you were in a bubble.

[Brittany (Anonymous Guest)]

Yeah.

[Brian Sauvay]

Where sound wasn't getting out. It wasn't acting normally. Like, that room normally would have acted.

[Martina McBride]

Yeah.

[Brittany (Anonymous Guest)]

Yeah. So we actually ended up being really good friends with those neighbors for a long time. My parents actually still talk to them, but they told us after we moved because my mom and dad had had it. Like, it was causing a lot of tension between them, obviously, because one's a believer and one's not. And now my mom's kind of suspicious of who's been around, you know? So she decided, like, let's sell the house. Let's move somewhere else. And what I'm telling you, it was the house. Cause we only moved, like, a block over, so she thought it was a house. The neighbors that we used to live by said we were afraid to tell you because we knew you were super into, like, the supernatural. But a man died in that house before you guys. Before you guys lived there. And he was old, and his dogs ate him because no one found him.

[Martina McBride]

Oh.

[Brittany (Anonymous Guest)]

And I was like, you know, that just fed into my mom's whole thing.

[Ben Garrett]

No, that's creepy.

[Brittany (Anonymous Guest)]

Which I don't think that's who it was. You know, Right?

[Brian Sauvay]

Obviously.

[Brittany (Anonymous Guest)]

Obviously, yeah. But that's who she thought was harassing her. She was like, maybe it was my brother at first, but then this ghost saw the opportunity to harass me because I was open to it.

[Martina McBride]

So, yeah, yeah.

[Brittany (Anonymous Guest)]

That was the first house that we lived in.

[Brian Sauvay]

What's your testimony? How did you become a Christian?

[Brittany (Anonymous Guest)]

It's kind of embarrassing. So I was dating this guy in high school and he was a Christian and he knew I was atheist at the time, if you could even call it that. Just super annoying. And he took me to. I don't know if you ever heard of them. For King and Country.

[Brian Sauvay]

Yeah, yeah, the band.

[Brittany (Anonymous Guest)]

Yeah.

[Martina McBride]

Yeah.

[Brittany (Anonymous Guest)]

So they were doing their priceless movement at the time.

[Brian Sauvay]

I don't remember that.

[Brittany (Anonymous Guest)]

It was like every woman is priceless and us as men should like honor them and raise them up kind of thing. Which is like they went a little too far because like we're not.

[Brian Sauvay]

It was a little cheesy.

[Ben Garrett]

Yeah, it was a wise. Try me.

[Brian Sauvay]

I'm kidding.

[Ben Garrett]

I'm kidding.

[Brian Sauvay]

Oh, wow.

[Brittany (Anonymous Guest)]

Wow.

[Ben Garrett]

That was too easy. That was too easy.

[Brittany (Anonymous Guest)]

Anyway, anyway, they had taken me to that concert and I was just so annoyed. I'm like, I'm going to go to this concert and it's going to be a bunch of violins and a bunch of cheesy music. Which it was, but I.

[Ben Garrett]

Which it was.

[Brittany (Anonymous Guest)]

They had, I guess, kind of like a tiny sermon about women and why you are worthy. And it's because our God, our father thinks that you are and he made you and created you. And I'd never heard that before. Believe it or not, I grew up in a culture where it was like, women have babies and they sit in the kitchen and they shut up and they're not like. They're kind of like workers, which is. I was a super feminist when I went there too. So I was like, this is annoying. But yeah, I was interested because I'm just gonna put it out there because I'm anonymous. I am a full blown Calvinist. So I don't think that the music was super attractive. I just think I heard the gospel for the first time and it was like, this is it. This is what I wanna do. So he took me to a church and we went there for a long time. And that's just kind of where I met my current husband. My only husband.

[Brian Sauvay]

Yeah, husband.

[Brittany (Anonymous Guest)]

My husband who I love.

[Brian Sauvay]

Great guy.

[Ben Garrett]

Was he the boyfriend?

[Brittany (Anonymous Guest)]

No, actually my husband was in. I hope he doesn't get mad for me sharing this. He was in Bible college in California.

[Ben Garrett]

Why would he get mad?

[Brittany (Anonymous Guest)]

Because it's gay.

[Ben Garrett]

Okay, you heard it first here, folks.

[Brian Sauvay]

At Hanukkah Bible College, believe it or not, gay.

[Brittany (Anonymous Guest)]

Oh, my God.

[Brian Sauvay]

Which just sucks for me because I went to Bible college.

[Brittany (Anonymous Guest)]

Oh, my gosh.

[Ben Garrett]

I dropped out.

[Brittany (Anonymous Guest)]

Did you?

[Ben Garrett]

Like, the straightest thing you could do?

[Brian Sauvay]

So straight Anyway.

[Brittany (Anonymous Guest)]

But, yeah, he went to Bible college out there. And so while I was seeing this other person, he was gone. And when we broke up, he came back. So there was, like, no overlap.

[Martina McBride]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Brittany (Anonymous Guest)]

But, yeah, so I stayed a Christian, and the person I was seeing actually strayed away. So I actually don't know what happened to them after that.

[Martina McBride]

Wow.

[Brittany (Anonymous Guest)]

But I just. That's how it started. And then I. We deep dived.

[Ben Garrett]

Okay, so let me ask you this, because, first of all, I mean, I'm sure there's a lot to talk about with those stories, but before I forget, there was another story that one time you, Brittany, mentioned to me that it was like your mom, I think, screaming at a wall or something.

[Brittany (Anonymous Guest)]

So, yeah, I wanted to tell you that. So we moved to this second house, and there's really not many stories that are big enough to tell you about, but you could just figure everything that was happening in the old house I just told you about was happening in this house. And. Yeah, it just didn't cease to happen. And my dad and mom separated at the time, so I was just kind of left there to deal with my mom, who then got into substance abuse.

[Ben Garrett]

Oh, no.

[Brittany (Anonymous Guest)]

And so we ended up losing our house and moving again. And that's where things got worse. And I. I don't know if it was worse because. Well, it was worse probably because a lot of things. Because her substance abuse got so bad, but because I became a Christian at that time.

[Ben Garrett]

Oh, yeah.

[Brittany (Anonymous Guest)]

So I wasn't allowed to go to church. When I explained to her what I had learned, and I was excited about the gospel and explaining what I've been learning. I don't know if, you know if you grew up Christian or what, but, like, when you become a Christian, you're just, like, so excited to tell people about it. You're like, listen, yeah, there's this guy called Jesus, and he died for our sins. So we're, like, off the hook.

[Brian Sauvay]

Like, all your sins, they're all. It's all free. He forgives you.

[Ben Garrett]

Can you believe it's gone?

[Brian Sauvay]

Like, they're gone. You don't even have to do anything. They're just gone. Yeah, it's crazy.

[Brittany (Anonymous Guest)]

Yeah. They're just like.

[Brian Sauvay]

Everybody needs to know this, repent and.

[Brittany (Anonymous Guest)]

Believe, and you're like, you don't have to bear it anymore. And I thought that would be great, you know, for my mom. But she. She didn't like it. And she told me that I wasn't allowed to go to church anymore. So I actually had to lie and say I was going to work and I would go to church and then go to work.

[Brian Sauvay]

You're like, I'm just working on the Sabbath, Mom.

[Brittany (Anonymous Guest)]

I would legit work on church. I would. Because I kind of was convicted about not working on Sunday because I wanted to go to church, but that was the only way I could go.

[Martina McBride]

Yeah.

[Brittany (Anonymous Guest)]

So I was like, I took Sunday shifts for the rest of my life.

[Ben Garrett]

So that you could work and then go to church or go to church and then work.

[Brittany (Anonymous Guest)]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So at that point, I have a reading distrib disorder. Or is it disorder, reading problem?

[Brian Sauvay]

I don't know.

[Brittany (Anonymous Guest)]

Can't read.

[Ben Garrett]

Why are you looking at Martina?

[Brittany (Anonymous Guest)]

Because.

[Ben Garrett]

Does he also have a disorder?

[Brittany (Anonymous Guest)]

I don't know. Do you? I have dyslexia. So in order for me to retain information, I have to read out loud, which is like low key, embarrassing. But I read out loud. And she would get so aggravated at me.

[Ben Garrett]

She would scream at me, just like, reading the Bible.

[Brittany (Anonymous Guest)]

Yeah, we just read out loud. And she would like, well, it was kind of normal, so it wasn't that big of a deal to me. But she would like, throw things at me.

[Martina McBride]

Dang.

[Brittany (Anonymous Guest)]

And just be like, shut up. I don't want to hear it anymore. I'm like, I'm just reading. Nobody reads in this house. You have a reading problem. Is like, what?

[Ben Garrett]

Shut up about the sun.

[Brian Sauvay]

Shut up about the sun of God. She wouldn't.

[Brittany (Anonymous Guest)]

Yeah.

[Brian Sauvay]

So that is, first of all, sorry. Terrible.

[Martina McBride]

Yeah.

[Brian Sauvay]

I mean, wicked and evil. Just normally. But it was like, particularly even she just didn't want to hear the Bible too.

[Brittany (Anonymous Guest)]

She did not want to hear the Bible. I tried to drag her to church, bribe her to church, and she just was not having it. But she would go to Catholic church, which she's not a good Catholic, so I don't know why she stands by it. She's like, the Catholic Church is the right church. And I'm like, that's true. Then you're in trouble.

[Brian Sauvay]

To be clear, the Catholics wouldn't be down with what you're doing. To be clear, priest would say, you need to stop.

[Ben Garrett]

Please stop.

[Brittany (Anonymous Guest)]

Well, I did go to a priest because we grew up going to a Catholic church and I was baptized in a Catholic church. So when my mom was dealing with a bunch of stuff and I was young, and I was too young to be dealing with all of it, I didn't feel comfortable going to my pastor about it because I didn't know him. So I was like, I'll just go to the priest who knows me my whole life. And he was like, your mother's going to die. Like, your mother's going to die and she's going to hell. And, like, there's nothing you can do about that if she doesn't come around. Maybe try. Have you tried giving more?

[Brian Sauvay]

Wait, what.

[Brittany (Anonymous Guest)]

Does your dad still give even though he's not around? It's like, no.

[Brian Sauvay]

Wait, how old were you?

[Brittany (Anonymous Guest)]

I was 16.

[Brian Sauvay]

Look, I know he's like, I know you've been working on Sundays.

[Ben Garrett]

Look, I know that the indulgence thing really gets blown out of proportion, but that. That is pretty close to the stereotype.

[Brian Sauvay]

I mean, when the coin in coffer rings, then your mom.

[Ben Garrett]

The soul from purgatory sings.

[Brittany (Anonymous Guest)]

And here's the thing, too, is I was explaining to. Oops. Can you blurt that out?

[Brian Sauvay]

That's okay.

[Brittany (Anonymous Guest)]

I was explaining to my husband last night when we were going over the story about some Catholic things, and he made aware to me that they're not. So we would buy, actually sage from our church to, like, sage our house.

[Martina McBride]

Huh.

[Brittany (Anonymous Guest)]

And I guess most Catholics don't practice that. I thought that they did, but I don't.

[Ben Garrett]

I don't think that's a very common.

[Brian Sauvay]

I know that a lot of. Specifically from Mexico, the Roman Catholicism has syncretized with a whole lot of, like, the animistic. Animistic witchcraft, occultic stuff. Like. And sage burning is definitely in that category.

[Martina McBride]

Yeah.

[Brittany (Anonymous Guest)]

Yeah. So again, she would buy sage, but she didn't feel qualified. And my aunt, who was also a witch, would come and sage our house all the time.

[Brian Sauvay]

Okay, so you're like, let's bring the people that talk to demons over.

[Brittany (Anonymous Guest)]

Yeah.

[Brian Sauvay]

To get rid of the demons.

[Ben Garrett]

But the sage that they're using is Catholic sage.

[Brian Sauvay]

Oh, it's Catholic sage.

[Brittany (Anonymous Guest)]

It's blessed. So they actually put holy water on it.

[Ben Garrett]

Okay.

[Brian Sauvay]

They really.

[Brittany (Anonymous Guest)]

Yeah. Which I will never understand the holy water thing, because I'm thinking holy water is supposed to, like, ward out evil is what they tell us. And I'm like, my mom's putting it on every day, and I don't see nothing happening.

[Brian Sauvay]

The evil's still there. The evil still happened.

[Brittany (Anonymous Guest)]

Which, though, later on, after all of that hiding going to church and stuff. She had gotten really bad to where she was, like, really incapacitated all the time, and she had really bad anxiety. So there was one night where she was talking. She did this a lot. She talked to the walls a lot or to nothing. And we would ask her, like, who are you talking to? And she said, the man in the hat. Which, again, I didn't know until you guys started talking about hat man, about who Hatman was.

[Ben Garrett]

Right. So terrifying, though.

[Brittany (Anonymous Guest)]

Yeah. Yeah. So she's like, I'm talking to the man in the hat. And so I'm thinking, like, she's cray cray. But this one instance, she had had a panic attack, and she was out of her meds that help her stop. So I don't know if you've ever seen someone have a panic attack while they're doped up, but it's scary. They're compulsing, they're shaking, they're screaming, they're crying. And I just remember, like, I'm a Christian now. What am I supposed to do? So I was still new to it. I just sat next to her on her bed, put my arms over her. And I remember thinking, I don't know how to do this. And I just prayed and I asked God, like, I don't know what to do or how to even start this or how to ask you for help, but I need help. I need my mom's. Like, I don't want her to die. Please help her. And she stopped shaking.

[Martina McBride]

Dang.

[Brittany (Anonymous Guest)]

She stopped shaking. She just, like, passed out, eyes closed. Went from shaking compulsive to just still and asleep. So I left her be told my brother, like, we might have to call 91 1, you know, we might have to call dad to tell him to come and see what's going on. And so I was like, let me go check on her again. She's sitting upright in the corner of her room on her bed, and she's talking to the wall again and mumbling. And I ask her, like, who are you talking to? Who are you talking to? She won't answer me. And she says, I can't do that to my family. They're my family. I can't do it. And I've seen enough scary movies to be like, we're out. We're.

[Ben Garrett]

That is crazy. That's crazy, man. That's so creepy.

[Brian Sauvay]

The implication being that, like, this spirit is telling her to harm her family for herself or.

[Brittany (Anonymous Guest)]

Well, and see, she did try to harm herself a lot when I was a kid. And what's weird is she didn't harm us as children, but when I became a Christian, she got more violent with me.

[Ben Garrett]

Okay, so maybe your speculation is that she was being told to do. To harm you and your brother.

[Brittany (Anonymous Guest)]

Yeah, because she wasn't. I mean, she wasn't. Right. We ended up taking her to rehab, and what they told us was, like, she had enough in her to tranquilize, like, three horses or something like that.

[Ben Garrett]

Oh, my.

[Brittany (Anonymous Guest)]

They're like, we don't know how she's breathing. And I'm thinking, like, me either. What do you want?

[Brian Sauvay]

I prayed for her.

[Brittany (Anonymous Guest)]

Yeah.

[Brian Sauvay]

The mercy of God.

[Martina McBride]

Yeah.

[Brittany (Anonymous Guest)]

Yeah. So that happened. But when she said that, I was scared.

[Martina McBride]

Yeah.

[Brittany (Anonymous Guest)]

I felt that sense of dread.

[Martina McBride]

Yeah.

[Brittany (Anonymous Guest)]

You know, when you're so scary. I grabbed my brother and I was like, I don't care if we have to sleep in our car or what, but we are not staying here. So we left, went back, and she was just, I guess, normal again. But, yeah, there was a time I cut her off when I had kids, and I didn't talk to her for, like, three. Three years. I don't know what happened in those three years, but she got sober. And she's religious now, which. In, like, Catholicism.

[Ben Garrett]

Like a practicing Catholic.

[Brittany (Anonymous Guest)]

Yeah. She still does witchy, crafty things with her family, but at least she's not, like, possessed anymore. Because I think I do believe that she was possessed, because I didn't know it at the time. It didn't make sense because I was so young. I was only, like, 15, 16 when all this was happening. But there were times when she would get so angry and frustrated at me that I didn't recognize her face. Like, her face was not her face. And I would tell my dad that, and he would just be like, well, it's all the drugs, you know, they make you change your face. I'm like, no. Like, it changes from second to second. Yeah.

[Ben Garrett]

Like, it changes back.

[Brittany (Anonymous Guest)]

Yeah, it changes back. And it's scary. So.

[Martina McBride]

Yeah.

[Ben Garrett]

Did she ever have, like, this is just. Did she ever have moments where she was really, really strong? Like, she was able to move crazy things or throw things that were huge?

[Brittany (Anonymous Guest)]

Kind of. So she is four foot nine.

[Ben Garrett]

Oh, wow.

[Brittany (Anonymous Guest)]

So she's like an Oompa Loompa.

[Martina McBride]

Little Labuela.

[Brittany (Anonymous Guest)]

Yeah. She's tiny.

[Martina McBride]

Yeah.

[Brittany (Anonymous Guest)]

She's not very strong. And when I was in high school, she got diagnosed with lupus. So she's not strong at all.

[Martina McBride]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Brittany (Anonymous Guest)]

When she would have these episodes, it was like throwing couches, throwing tables. She got an altercation with me, which at the time I was pretty athletic and so there was no way that she could take me, but she. She did.

[Ben Garrett]

Dang.

[Brittany (Anonymous Guest)]

So my brother had to get involved one time and she fought him pretty good, but he was able to overpower her. But yeah, there were times like that. How old?

[Brian Sauvay]

How younger? Older brother.

[Brittany (Anonymous Guest)]

My brother was 13 when all that was happening.

[Brian Sauvay]

So. Younger than you. But a 13 year old young man is still stronger than the average 16.

[Ben Garrett]

A 4, 9. Lupus.

[Brittany (Anonymous Guest)]

Well, and he. He was super into fitness, so he was always. And he still is. Yeah, yeah, he's always been strong because.

[Ben Garrett]

I know that there's. I've looked at some exorcism or possession cases on the dusty tome and one of the things that I always think is so creepy is how the conversations between the individual who is possessed and whatever is possessing them take place. Like they talk out loud.

[Brian Sauvay]

Yeah, they talk out loud. They can break even the man who was bound in scripture and he would break the chains, break ropes, he would just.

[Ben Garrett]

Yeah, and then the face changes. I remember I was listening to a lecture from Dr. Walter Martin who did the Kingdom of the Cults book. That guy. And he was saying that he had been a part of what he really believes were a few exorcisms and their face would totally change.

[Brittany (Anonymous Guest)]

Wow.

[Ben Garrett]

They didn't. It looked either less human or inhuman. And then it would switch back and they would be themselves for a second and then it would go back and it's just so, so scary.

[Brittany (Anonymous Guest)]

It. Honestly, I was desensitized to it. It felt like because this was my life for a long time, but it got progressively worse. So when I would see her face change, I thought maybe I was just going crazy.

[Martina McBride]

Yeah.

[Brittany (Anonymous Guest)]

Like this is just. I don't know. At that age you just kind of start to disassociate to protect your brain from like shutting down. So. Yeah, that happened a lot.

[Ben Garrett]

Which even that in itself, like not to. Not to get sad, but even that in itself is one of the most vicious things that these evil spirits do. Because, you know, thinking about it, my upbringing was very different. I grew up in a Christian home, Protestant home, and there was no syncretism or anything like that. And so I really love my mom, great relationship with my mom. And to imagine that person who, you know, a young boy, like, who are you supposed to feel more safe with than your mom and dad? And to imagine her switching into something that I don't even recognize and it's like an evil, angry thing. I can't Imagine the effect that that must have on the heart and soul of someone who's growing up, especially a young girl. Yeah, but that, man, it's just so heartbreaking.

[Brittany (Anonymous Guest)]

Well, you know, the evangelical church is where I started going, and that they weren't too helpful either. So there was a point in time where I was like, I really don't know what I believe. But since being at my current church, it's been really clear that I don't have to be sad about these things, because I literally wasn't fighting with my flesh and blood.

[Martina McBride]

Yeah.

[Brittany (Anonymous Guest)]

I was fighting with the darkness, you know, with these demons. And I have talked to my mom about it a lot, and she doesn't know about the me praying over her because I think. I don't think she's ready to hear that yet. But she did say that what she went through happened to her dad.

[Ben Garrett]

Really?

[Brittany (Anonymous Guest)]

Yeah. And so I'm thinking maybe this is kind of like predisposition type of thing, but I'm not bad about it.

[Ben Garrett]

Yeah, I mean, there's something to be said for, like, the tendency of generations to sin in similar ways. And one of the things that we were talking about, actually, in the previous Graveyard Shift episode was the consent and the willfulness that the individual has to give for these things to really, like, take off and how that generational sin can really make it more difficult to say no. Like, there are predispositions to certain sins and to certain darkness, especially if you have generations of this kind of syncretism that runs in your family or witchcraft that's really influential in the people that you love. And so, yeah, I mean, it wouldn't surprise me if the demons are like, well, look, here's. Here's someone.

[Brian Sauvay]

We've been messing with this family for generations.

[Ben Garrett]

We're good with this family. You know, let's keep going.

[Brittany (Anonymous Guest)]

Which is another thing, too. Why I am such a advocate for Calvinism, too, is because my family would do things like steal, lie, you know, drugs. I've never done drugs before in my life. And whenever I would have to steal, I always felt so sick I had to throw up, you know? And so I always told my family, like, I feel like someone's always watching me, and, like, they're judging all these decisions that I make and I don't feel right about it. And she would always say, well, it's your family members, your grandpa, you know, your uncle who unalived himself. They're all watching over you. But as I have gotten more into this kind of stuff, I think it was I just got. Was there.

[Ben Garrett]

Yeah. Conviction of the Holy Spirit.

[Brittany (Anonymous Guest)]

He was like, yeah, we don't do that. We don't steal, you know, we don't do drugs. We don't, you know.

[Brian Sauvay]

Yeah, it's not us.

[Brittany (Anonymous Guest)]

We don't do that. And so, yeah, that was.

[Ben Garrett]

Yeah, that's how almost that in itself, like. Like a preparation for the Holy Spirit changing your heart with the gospel.

[Brittany (Anonymous Guest)]

I always felt different from my family and like the outcast, like, at that teenage. You know, what is it called when you.

[Brian Sauvay]

The angst.

[Brittany (Anonymous Guest)]

The angst. I always thought it was angst because I felt so different from them. Like, I had. I felt shame and I felt guilt, and I feel like they didn't. And they would always make fun of me for it and call me soft and whatever. But even now that I am a Christian outwardly and my children are Christian, my husband's a Christian, my family has the hardest time being around us. And it's like my aunt said. Who's. Which? She said, I don't feel like I can come to your house and I don't feel like I can touch you anymore. And I was thinking, like, why? That's weird. Like, you can always give me a hug or whatever. And she was like, no, because your aura is too bright.

[Martina McBride]

Yep.

[Brittany (Anonymous Guest)]

I can't touch your aura.

[Ben Garrett]

So you believe the aliens are demons?

[Martina McBride]

Yeah, I do.

[Ben Garrett]

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[Ben Garrett]

Build up the gates.

[Brian Sauvay]

Hey, Ben, I just read that our great grandparents probably experimented with butter on their dry skin as a moisturizer. Is that why you look so radiant?

[Ben Garrett]

Maybe it's grandma's butter recipe. Or maybe it's gray toe tallow.

[Brian Sauvay]

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[Brian Sauvay]

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[Brittany (Anonymous Guest)]

What does that mean?

[Ben Garrett]

Because you know who can come into the presence of a holy God?

[Brian Sauvay]

The demon that she's. It's. It's exactly like the fortune telling girl. She's got the demon, the familiar spirit. And then, you know, the apostle shows up and he's like annoyed and get out of here. Like, they just can't. When Christ commands, they have no power. Like they just have no. They can't do a thing. They just, there's no resisting the will of God. It's why when the demons would be confronted with Christ in the gospels, they'd be like, oh please, it's not our time yet. They even know they're cooked. And they're just, they're like, please give me five more minutes of demonizing. And the Lord's like, no, go in those. Like, you're done. Give us the pigs, go to the pit.

[Ben Garrett]

Let us go into the pigs and let us throw ourselves off the cliff into the sea.

[Brian Sauvay]

It's just, it's like the, that when Peter talks about putting off the sins and foolish ways of your forefathers, like there is a real thing to that. God visits the iniquity of the unjust to the third and fourth generation of those who hate him, but his mercy to the thousandth who love him and keep his commandments. It's like these things have, there's a warning there, but there's also a mercy that family lines tend to run this way. But then God breaks in and he uses a. For king and country. Yes. The easiest possible evangelistic event, like full of latent feminism and all of these. And God's like, you know what though? That's what I'm. I'm gonna use the foolish things of the world.

[Ben Garrett]

Well, and it's also like to kind of going back to the sage thing. Like, oh, well, it's Catholic sage. But then a witch is doing like, you can't use Christ as a talisman.

[Brian Sauvay]

No.

[Ben Garrett]

You know, and you see that with the sons of Sceva. In scripture, you know, the sons of Sceva go in to exorcise this man in the name of Christ. But they're Jews who are syncretizing. You know, they're not actually. They're not of the faith.

[Brian Sauvay]

They don't trust Christ.

[Ben Garrett]

And what happens to them? They get cooked, dude.

[Brian Sauvay]

They get running out naked.

[Ben Garrett]

They get absolutely wrecked.

[Brian Sauvay]

It's bad.

[Ben Garrett]

But, you know, you get Christ going up to Legion, and it's just one word. And Christ is like, sure, go into the pigs and kill yourself. And they're like, thank you.

[Brittany (Anonymous Guest)]

I'll leave you with this. Okay.

[Martina McBride]

Yeah.

[Brittany (Anonymous Guest)]

I also think that the demons that have been harassing my family, you know, tried, because after I had our first son, I saw it. And I had never seen tit before. I ain't never seen tit, but I was sleeping and with my baby, and I saw it over my doorway. And I remember crying and feeling dread and telling. Or my husband telling my husband that I had seen it. I had seen it for the first time, and I knew it was it because I could feel it. Which is weird to say and explain, but he just said, you have the power to tell it, to leave you alone. And I was like, I'm new still. I've only been a Christian for like a year. I don't feel like I have the power or the faith to do it. And so he would pray, and it went away after a while. Then we had our second child, and it came back. And this time, though, it was downstairs and it couldn't come up the stairs. And I remember telling him, like, I can see it on the stairs, and I feel like it's staying there and I am safe up here. And so he again would pray over our home, over me and our babies, and it would go away. Well, the last time that it came, I had our third and our last child, and it was outside the house. And I didn't see it physically. I saw it in my dream, and I remember hearing it, like, knock on my window. And I thought that I was asleep. Like, I was awake. I was asleep, but I thought I was awake. I got up and looked, and I didn't see anything. And then I heard, like, it just kind of run around the house. And I thought, there's an intruder. But then I saw it again. I saw it in the window. I just, in my dream, closed my eyes, and when I opened them, it was day outside, wasn't nighttime. And I told. I saw it again. And I explained to him, like, it keeps coming. Back. And he was saying that he noticed that it came back, but it got further and further away. So I haven't seen it since. It's been a couple years. But he was thinking, like, it's outside the house now because it can't come in.

[Martina McBride]

Yeah.

[Brittany (Anonymous Guest)]

Like it physically can't come in our house now because we've been Christians now for four years. Or I have been. He has been a Christian his whole life almost. So at this point, he's got like 10 years on him and I have four.

[Martina McBride]

Yeah.

[Brittany (Anonymous Guest)]

So, yeah, I think that if there was a demon harassing my family, it's not harassing me anymore.

[Brian Sauvay]

It was trying to get the kids.

[Martina McBride]

Yeah.

[Brian Sauvay]

It was like trying to revisit this line. It's like, we've been. We've had this line for a while. Yeah, let's come back, let's take it back. Let's see if we can. Maybe. Maybe this one's out, but let's see if we can. That is crazy that they know that and that they're trying that.

[Ben Garrett]

You know what? You know what, though? It reminds me. So when God gives the curse in the garden, he tells Satan the whole plan, right? The whole plan. Yeah. He's like, the seed of the woman is gonna crush your head. That's the plan. And God's like, I don't care if you know my trump card. That's the ace that I have. Take and do what you want.

[Brian Sauvay]

He even says he's going to crush your heel. You're gonna crush his heel, but he's.

[Ben Garrett]

Gonna crush your head.

[Brian Sauvay]

He's gonna be wounded in the process, like, the whole plan.

[Ben Garrett]

And so it's like, Satan, therefore, is like, aha, so all I have to do is corrupt the seed of the womb, the woman. So that's the whole plan. And that's their whole play. And so it makes sense that they would be desperate to get back into a line that they had for so many generations and say, no, we have to keep corrupting that seed. And even after Christ, like, the seed of the woman has come and has crushed the head of the serpent. But what does God say is one of the chief purposes of marriage? Well, we read in Malachi a godly.

[Brian Sauvay]

Seed, godly seed, godly offspring.

[Ben Garrett]

So this is still something that God has baked into his redemptive plan. Even post resurrection is a God seed for the gospel to go forth. And so, of course, we should expect to see the demons. Like, they're going to pull out all the stops to get to the seed and make it an ungodly seed.

[Brian Sauvay]

They have a lot of practice and.

[Brittany (Anonymous Guest)]

Like, what a cowardly move to come to me when I'm at my most vulnerable after I have had a child.

[Ben Garrett]

To come to the woman postpartum. Yeah. And that level of it's just such a cheap shot.

[Brittany (Anonymous Guest)]

It is, it is. And it makes me so, so deep.

[Ben Garrett]

It's just so evil.

[Brian Sauvay]

Brisk Britney's like, I got a message for all the demons out there. No, I don't hide from Jesus, though. Not from me. That is like, you gotta stop.

[Brittany (Anonymous Guest)]

No. Prayer is like, we always pray because, I mean, my husband's family is not nearly as bad as mine when it comes to, like, demonic stuff. But because he's aware of stuff, he's always like, we gotta pray for angels to be around our house always. Because, you know, these demons, as soon as they see an opening, they try.

[Brian Sauvay]

It's crazy because Christians today, they have an instinct that whenever they hear somebody say, well, there's spiritual demonic forces at work in this. A lot of modern Christians have this instinct to kind of poo, poo that and say, well, the flesh is enough. The flesh, we can sin all on our own. It's like, that's true. But the way the New Testament talks is that we need to guard ourselves against the world, which is the temptations of the world, of men under the sway of demons, but men as well. The flesh, our own sinful instincts and tendency and the devil, it's all three. And so we should expect. And like, the New Testament is just full of this theme of Christians waging war in the heavenly places against powers and principalities. Romans 16. What does Paul say to the Romans to comfort them? And the God of peace will soon crush Satan under your feet.

[Ben Garrett]

Under your feet, right?

[Martina McBride]

Yeah.

[Brian Sauvay]

So the ending of Mark, that you will trample down serpents, like, this whole. This whole aversion that we have. I love stories like this. Not because of the darkness or the evil in them, because they were painful to go through. Like, there's no question these were wicked, evil, painful things to go through, but because of the reminder that they serve for Christians to be on watch.

[Ben Garrett]

Yeah. I mean, one of the practical things that they point me to, and I think I would commend to all the listeners, is as you're praying for your family over your kids, you have to remember these things. Like, every night we make it, you know, it's a habit. When I put my boys to sleep, I pray, lord, you know, send your angels to protect us from all evil. You know, but the thing is, there's gonna be times, because kids are. We're still in a fallen world. Kids are kids. They're gonna be afraid of the dark. You know, and one of my favorite things to tell people when they're like, my kid's afraid of the dark. What do I do? I'm like, well, you teach them that. Yeah, it's perfectly rational to be afraid of the dark in a fallen world because the dark is where the demons hide most often. So, yeah, it makes sense to be afraid of the dark. But the thing is, when you're in this house, God is in this house, and that means the darkness is redeemed just like everything else. And so now all the darkness does is help us sleep good.

[Brittany (Anonymous Guest)]

Yep.

[Brian Sauvay]

Ben tells his kids every time they go to sleep, like, dad, I'm afraid of the dark. And he says, says, you should be.

[Martina McBride]

And.

[Ben Garrett]

My son has. He's been like, dad, I'm afraid of that shadow. You know? And I'm like. And I've told him, not at that moment, but the next morning, I'm like, no, I get why. Yeah, I get why you're afraid of the shadow because shadows are scary. But not here. Shadows help us sleep good here.

[Brittany (Anonymous Guest)]

Not in this house.

[Ben Garrett]

Because God is here in this house.

[Brittany (Anonymous Guest)]

That's right.

[Brian Sauvay]

I love that. One last thing I want to just ask, I guess, and even direct our listeners to is just, how can we pray for your family? How can everybody just take a minute and say, like, pray for Britney's family. God will know that it's not really. He'll know her real name. Like your mom, your extended family. It sounds like there's still a lot of them that are caught up in some of this stuff.

[Brittany (Anonymous Guest)]

Yeah, there's a lot of my family. I'm actually the only one who is a Christian in my family. If you could be praying for them, especially for my parents, we're really trying to get them to stop being the way that they are.

[Martina McBride]

Yeah.

[Brittany (Anonymous Guest)]

And for my husband's family, too. Luckily, his parents are Christians, so it's not like both sides are just evil. But my husband has a lot of siblings who are into psychedelics and my brother too, unfortunately. So just be praying for our family to be saved because it would be great for us. But also, we are first gen Christians, and so we have a lot of chains to break ourselves. Not just humanly speaking, you know, sinfully speaking, we have to stop behaviors that we were taught for our whole life, but we also have things we need to protect our kids from that we can't see. And so if you could just pray, let our kids would grow and be faithful Christians and have fruitful lives and that this curse that has infiltrated my family for generations would be cut off here. This is it.

[Brian Sauvay]

This is where it ends. Okay, I know there's like well over a hundred thousand of you, so take 30 seconds. Pray for Brittany's family and for all that. Seriously, take a minute. Do it. And thanks for coming on.

[Ben Garrett]

Yeah, thank you for having me.

[Brian Sauvay]

Such an amazing story. I know our listeners are going to be blessed.

[Ben Garrett]

Thanks for being willing to share that.

[Brian Sauvay]

And it's tough to talk about, but we appreciate it.

[Brittany (Anonymous Guest)]

Yeah, thank you. I appreciate it.

[Brian Sauvay]

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