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Jason Pfeiffer
This is Help Wanted, the show that makes your work work for you. I'm Jason Pfeiffer, editor in chief of.
Nicole Lapin
Entrepreneur magazine, and I'm money expert Nicole Lapin. On Tuesdays, Jason and I answer the helpline and help callers solve their work problems.
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Jason Pfeiffer
Think of the last time you saw something and you said, that sucks. Maybe it was a song or a product or a marketing strategy. The thing is successful, let's just admit it. It's out there in the world. It's doing its thing. Some people like it. But you, you think it's dumb and you're convinced that you're right. Today, I have a challenge for you. Instead of dismissing it, ask yourself, why does that work? It is a magic question. The more you ask it, the more you will recognize the mechanisms of success, which helps you build more successful things too. Today I will explain why it works, but first I'll show you the negativity that I'm talking about because I recently saw a lot of it and here's how. Have you ever heard of the brand Liquid Death? It is a masterclass in marketing. So in case you don't know, Liquid Death is a brand that sells canned water and iced tea, but it is packaged and marketed like an overly aggressive beer. Its tagline is murder your thirst and its advertising is ridiculous. Like making kegs of water for pregnant women, which it calls kegs for pregs. That really made me laugh. The gag has worked. It's funny attention getting and skyrocketed this brand to a 1.4 billion with a B billion valuation. And a couple weeks ago, I shared a marketing lesson from liquid death on LinkedIn. It was something that I had gotten straight from their director of marketing. And instead of engaging with the lesson, many people on LinkedIn just trashed liquid Death in the comments. Like here's one from some person who says that they're a podcast host and writer. They wrote, I cannot understand Liquid Death. I think it is the stupidest brand I've ever heard of. It is just so stupid. And then here's another one from a marketing director. They wrote, still the worst name in the history of naming products. Now, okay, everyone's entitled to their opinion, but to me Negativity is an intellectual dead end. If you only focus on not liking something, then you will never understand why others really do like it. Imagine instead if those people, those people who think that liquid death is stupid, imagine if they had instead asked themselves this. You know, I don't like liquid death, but its success is undeniable. So why does it work? I know it is hard to see something you're resistant to and then eagerly consider all the interesting ways that it works. So let's start with something a little easier by looking at something that you are not resistant to. In fact, let's look at something that you've never even thought to question. Let's look at shelves. Shelves, like shelves in your home. If you're listening to this in your home, just like, turn around, you'll see a shelf. They are an unquestioned part of life. But let's. Why do they work? This may sound obvious until you rewind 6000ish years. Shelves, I will have you know, are not new. They were developed in the Neolithic era and they were a regular part of those people's homes, too. Just go online and search, like Neolithic shelves, or try to find photos from the Orkney Islands, and you will find these amazing images of these stone walls. Like the, you know, the roof of the wall long since disappeared because these were from 6,000 years ago that the basics of the house exist. And what you will see is there's usually kind of a fire pit in the middle, and then there's some beds around the side and then shelves. I recently discovered the shelves and I became fascinated. I mean, we're talking the late Stone Age here. When humans first developed agriculture, their world was so different from ours, but they created a tool that we still use today in basically the same form. So I wanted to know, where exactly did shelves come from and why do they work? So I called an anthropologist named John Shea, who teaches at Stony Brook University, and he gave me this amazing breakdown. He said, all right, imagine living in Neolithic times. You are among the first humans to stay in one place. So you must accumulate food and medicine to survive, and you must store those things safely. Pottery was around before the Neolithic period, but it was not nearly as widespread as it became during the Neolithic period. So, okay, so you make pottery. You can't keep pottery on the floor in your home because your children might break it. And given the high child mortality rates, you are likely to have a lot of children. And breaking the pottery means losing food and medicine. And losing food and medicine means death. So what do you Do? Well, John said, the answer is that you invent a way to store things off the floor. So you invent shelves. When I heard this, my mind, like it blew open. It is just clear and simple and beautiful logic, stringing together needs and solutions in a way that I just hadn't thought of. So now that we've considered the interesting reasons behind something we like, we can start to repeat that process with things we don't. It is time to reconstruct success. Humans are pattern matchers. The more you see how things work, the more you can apply the pattern in new and valuable way. So here is my challenge. When you see something that you don't understand, start by asking my question, why does this work? And to find the answer, you can start by asking these next questions. Number one, what else must be true in order for this to work? And then number two, why was that true? For example, let's look at Liquid Death. It works. People buy it, $1.4 billion valuation. So what else must be true? Well, let's see. People will buy a funny water brand. And then why is that true? Because, let's see, the water shelves are pretty boring. Every other brand that sells water looks exactly the same with the same messaging about the purity of the water or whatever, which made it actually pretty easy for Liquid Death to stand out. And in what might have otherwise seemed like an overly crowded and not interesting category. Because, as it turns out, every category can be innovated and there are opportunities in the most unexpected places, and we can go even deeper. What else must be true? Well, ridiculous marketing works. Why? Because it doesn't come off as marketing. It feels like entertainment. And in a digital world, when ads are really easily skippable, people only stop for entertainment. That, by the way, was the lesson that I had picked up from the head of marketing at Liquid Death. He says that his brand is Entertainment first, and he advises that other brands think of themselves as Entertainment First. Liquid Death's entertainment is comedy. But it doesn't have to be that. It could be something else. It's just the idea of you have to hook people by giving them something that they will actually stick around and watch themselves anyway. You could just keep going with this forever, revealing new insights about how things work and where opportunities are and how you can replicate success. This is not easy, but it is satisfying. I know it is fun to dismiss things. I do it all the time. Like when my kids ask me to play pop music in the car. I hate pop music. Blech. But you know what is more satisfying than being negative, it's being curious. Instead of stewing over my hate of pop music, I could wonder, what does this tell me about culture today and musical trends? And when you think like this, you will find revelations everywhere. For example, here's one final example from my newsletter. As you may know, I write a newsletter. It's called One Thing Better each One way to be more successful and satisfied and build a career or company that you love. The thing that you hear every Thursday on Help Wanted is actually me reading my newsletter. So you could subscribe to it at One thingbetter email if you would like. That's a web address. Or you could just also stay tuned here to Help Wanted, where you will hear it out loud. Anyway, okay, so the point is that I ran a newsletter a couple weeks ago and it included an ad for a bookkeeping service that I love that I use called Kik. And a reader replied telling me that she was annoyed by this ad because she had clicked on the ad and then received two marketing emails from Kik even though she hadn't given them her email address. And she wanted to know how did this happen and was I responsible? That was totally news to me. So I decided to ask Kik. And as it turns out, they told me they use a tool to identify website visitors. Or at least it guesses at the identity of website visitors. And if a visitor is in the top 1% of their target user profile and it sends a few follow up emails to that person. And Kik tells me this has been very effective. So at first when I heard this, it was surprising, I'll be honest, and it felt a little invasive. But then I paused and I thought, okay, but it works. And then I came up with a hypothesis. If someone visits Kik's website, it is because they are seeking a bookkeeper. And there are many reasons that they maybe didn't sign up immediately upon visiting the website. They might be busy, distracted, they accidentally close the window. Who knows, they wanted to think about it more. Therefore, email serves as a helpful reminder. And because it works, and let me remind you, it does work, because Kik told me it's been very effective, then that means people like these kinds of relevant reminders. Because you know, people might still be interested in you even if they didn't buy immediately. And that is a great lesson in consumer habits and psychology. The thing is, you don't learn anything by dismissing things. You learn by reconstructing why they work. So one more time, look at something, something you don't understand. Something that seems maybe stupid or obnoxious or that you are annoyed that the rest of the world is willing to tolerate this thing and and ask why does it work? The answer to that will help you build something else that works. Help Wanted is a production of Money News Network. Help Wanted is hosted by me, Jason.
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Podcast Summary: Help Wanted – "Be Curious, Not Dismissive" Release Date: June 26, 2025
Hosts:
In the episode titled "Be Curious, Not Dismissive," hosts Jason Pfeiffer and Nicole Lapin delve into the power of curiosity over dismissive negativity in both personal and professional contexts. They explore how adopting a curious mindset can lead to deeper understanding and greater success.
[02:47] Jason Pfeiffer: "Think of the last time you saw something and you said, that sucks. Maybe it was a song or a product or a marketing strategy. The thing is successful, let's just admit it. It's out there in the world. It's doing its thing. Some people like it. But you, you think it's dumb and you're convinced that you're right."
Jason begins by addressing a common behavior: the tendency to dismiss things we don't understand or agree with. He challenges listeners to shift from a negative perspective to one of curiosity.
[04:30] Jason Pfeiffer: "Have you ever heard of the brand Liquid Death? It is a masterclass in marketing."
Jason uses Liquid Death, a brand selling canned water and iced tea with an edgy, aggressive marketing strategy, as a primary example. Despite its unconventional approach—such as packaging water like beer and using taglines like "murder your thirst"—the brand has achieved a remarkable valuation of $1.4 billion.
[06:15] Jason Pfeiffer: "Instead of engaging with the lesson, many people on LinkedIn just trashed Liquid Death in the comments. Like here's one from some person who says that they're a podcast host and writer. They wrote, I cannot understand Liquid Death. I think it is the stupidest brand I've ever heard of."
Instead of appreciating Liquid Death's success, many critics dismissed it outright. Jason highlights how such negativity prevents deeper understanding and learning from successful strategies.
[07:50] Jason Pfeiffer: "Negativity is an intellectual dead end. If you only focus on not liking something, then you will never understand why others really do like it."
Jason emphasizes the importance of asking “Why does this work?” instead of dismissing. By understanding the mechanisms behind success, one can replicate and build upon these strategies.
[09:20] Jason Pfeiffer: "Let’s look at shelves. Shelves, like shelves in your home. If you're listening to this in your home, just like, turn around, you'll see a shelf. They are an unquestioned part of life."
To illustrate his point, Jason explores the seemingly mundane example of shelves, tracing their origins back to the Neolithic era. Shelves were invented out of necessity to store pottery safely off the ground, preventing breakage and loss of essential items like food and medicine.
[11:00] Jason Pfeiffer: "I called an anthropologist named John Shea, who teaches at Stony Brook University, and he gave me this amazing breakdown. He said, imagine living in Neolithic times... So what do you do? Well, John said, the answer is that you invent shelves."
This historical perspective demonstrates how a simple yet effective solution can stand the test of time, highlighting the value of understanding the 'why' behind functionality.
[12:30] Jason Pfeiffer: "Humans are pattern matchers. The more you see how things work, the more you can apply the pattern in new and valuable ways."
Jason outlines a method for applying curiosity-driven analysis to contemporary issues:
[13:15] Jason Pfeiffer: "I ran a newsletter a couple weeks ago and it included an ad for a bookkeeping service that I love that I use called Kik... She wanted to know how did this happen and was I responsible? That was totally news to me."
Jason shares a personal experience where an unexpected marketing follow-up led him to understand consumer behavior better. Kik’s use of targeted email reminders, despite initial surprise, proved effective in engaging potential customers who were interested but hadn’t yet committed.
[14:00] Jason Pfeiffer: "The thing is, you don't learn anything by dismissing things. You learn by reconstructing why they work."
This example reinforces his argument that understanding the "why" behind marketing strategies can lead to more effective and respectful consumer interactions.
Jason concludes by urging listeners to adopt a curious mindset whenever they encounter something they don't understand or initially dislike. By reconstructing the reasons behind its success, individuals can uncover valuable insights and apply them to their own projects and careers.
[14:00] Jason Pfeiffer: "So one more time, look at something, something you don't understand. Something that seems maybe stupid or obnoxious or that you are annoyed that the rest of the world is willing to tolerate this thing and and ask why does it work? The answer to that will help you build something else that works."
The episode wraps up with an invitation for listeners to engage further:
[14:00] Nicole Lapin: "Do you want some help? Email our helpline@helpwantedoneynewsnetwork.com for the chance to have some of your questions answered on the show."
Listeners are also encouraged to follow Money News Network on Instagram and TikTok for exclusive content.
Notable Quotes:
Jason Pfeiffer [02:47]: "Negativity is an intellectual dead end. If you only focus on not liking something, then you will never understand why others really do like it."
Jason Pfeiffer [12:30]: "Humans are pattern matchers. The more you see how things work, the more you can apply the pattern in new and valuable ways."
Jason Pfeiffer [14:00]: "The answer to that will help you build something else that works."
Key Takeaways:
This episode of "Help Wanted" provides valuable insights into cultivating a curious mindset, encouraging listeners to delve deeper into understanding the success behind everyday phenomena and unconventional brands alike. By shifting focus from criticism to comprehension, individuals can unlock new pathways to success and fulfillment in their professional endeavors.