Megan (3:13)

Also, Northampton is so great. I'm so sad I can't go because I'm not off work yet. But that area is so cool. Such a nice area. I have to teach the next morning in Brooklyn. It's like three hours away.

Chris (3:24)

I mean, those kids can go a day without you, probably.

Megan (3:27)

Let me just say I went and saw Reprise the first week of school on like, the second day of school, and I was out till like, one in the morning, and I teach the next day. And I drove back like, two hours that night.

Chris (3:36)

So you did.

Megan (3:37)

I've put it in for Reprise, and I wish I could do it for this time, but I can't. But I am going to see them in January in Connecticut.

Chris (3:45)

Yeah, you are, exactly. Cause there's three shows. You might actually be on tour by then. We don't know yet. But there are. There are a bunch of shows. There are three shows in a row. We're doing that Park City shows in the middle is in the middle of the run, I think. But we're doing a Friday, Saturday, Sunday run in January. Megan will probably be at all of them, but she'll definitely be at the middle one, which is Park City and Bridgeport. But the night before, we're doing in Pembroke at Soundcheck Studios. And then Sunday is Stone Church in New Market, New Hampshire. So it's gonna be fun.

Megan (4:16)

So cool.

Brian (4:17)

Cool.

Megan (4:17)

Ven.

Chris (4:18)

Okay. Is there anything else? We have no. We have no new fish shows to talk about. There's no announcements.

Megan (4:26)

Thought there was going to be an announcement today. And I really was looking forward to that Sphere announcement because I'm going to the Sphere next time they play. So if anybody knows when that is, I'd like to know so I can start making some plans.

Chris (4:38)

Brian, are you going?

Brian (4:40)

I will attempt to get tickets. I. I would love to go. I. I want to see them there. I've heard that tickets are very difficult to obtain. So we'll. We'll see what happens.

Chris (4:53)

Yep. Yep. Makes sense. Okay. Is there anything else?

Megan (4:58)

Yep.

Brian (5:02)

We launched a new podcast and we recorded an episode. It's called Library Card. We are going to record another episode here in the next couple of weeks. We probably need to get together as a group and figure out some podcast scheduling here, guys, because we got a lot of big episodes coming up before the end of 2024, including our second Library Card episode. That's it. That's all I got.

Chris (5:28)

Okay.

Megan (5:28)

I do want to bring up something about that, and that is that we posted the books we're going to be reading, so. So you can follow along. And our friend Michael Shields at Across the Margin is already got the books. He's already going to be reading along with us, so there's no excuse. Read along with us. It's going to be really fun. I think these conversations are so much more interesting when you've read the book.

Chris (5:48)

Man, we got deep. First. First one.

Brian (5:52)

We're going to get so deep in the second one. And I just want to give a big shout out to Michael Shields, host of across the Margin. One of the only things I miss about Instagram is Michael Shields book upd because he's one of the most. He's one of the best. He's one of the most well read people I know. And hearing his thoughts on these books we read, which I've been deep diving literary podcasts and literary YouTube shows to understand their thoughts on our next book, the Beasting. And man, I got some hot takes for some of these. Some of these people are just thinking way too deep about plot structure and whatnot. It's. It's so much more about emotion, guys, come on.

Megan (6:32)

It's all about the feels.

Chris (6:34)

It's all about the energy.

Megan (6:35)

I can't wait to get into that book. It's all of our favorite books this year. So I'm really excited to get into it and I hope people read it because it's such an incredible read. We're going to do it justice too.

Chris (6:47)

We got one. This is not Library Card, the podcast, but we got one Library Card review so far and he or she was very thankful and is 3/4 of the way through the Bee Sting and looking forward to that discussion and asked if it was possible to list the books out. This person said that there are well over 100 books for the year and Northwoods and Bee Sting are top of their list. So I don't know what's wrong with you person, but I admire you but we did. We did list them out. But I'm just going to say it here for any HF POD listeners who care. We're doing the Bee Sting in December. We're doing Northwoods in January. We're doing Clara and the sun in February. Demon Copperhead in March. James in April. And Brian, we're doing Safekeep in May.

Brian (7:32)

I'll be ready for safe.

Megan (7:33)

You're going to have to read a book I recommend again. Brian, are you ready?

Brian (7:38)

I'm ready. For any book that you recommend, I will read literally anything. Love it or not, I will read it.

Megan (7:43)

Okay.

Chris (7:44)

And if we decide to have that on tape now, which we might, we'll let you know.

Brian (7:48)

If I could read at your speed, I would literally read everything that you recommend. But this is a. This is an issue for. This is my high insecurity for library card. I'm just trying.

Megan (7:59)

I don't know. I think you're catching up. You're catching up to me.

Brian (8:03)

We'll talk about this on the pod.

Megan (8:05)

Okay, good.

Chris (8:07)

Okay. So. All right, let's talk about this setup for this.

Megan (8:11)

Sure, let's do it.

Chris (8:13)

Brian, what are we doing here, generally and specifically?

Brian (8:18)

Well, we're doing everybody's favorite thing. We're turning music into competition. It's bloodthirst. In the spirit of Gladiator 2, we are getting our spears. Lions are. We're going into the Coliseum, our ships, whatever the fuck they have in that movie. You know, Ridley Scott can really make a period piece. But everything I've read about Gladiator 2 is. That is not one. But this is not movie cast. I apologize. We are talking the longest fish jams ever to try to figure out what are the best. And our answers are correct. So don't come at us with any changes that we need to make. We're taking. I mean, the last two years of fish have given us. I mean, the last four years have given us some of the longest, deepest, wildest jams in this band's history.

Chris (9:13)

Wow.

Brian (9:13)

We love that stuff. And we thought it would be apt to do one more draft here in 2024. New feature to the podcast where we would go through all of the 25 plus minute jams and draft our favorites. And so to do this, we've broken this up into eight categories. All right, should we share. Do you want to share the spreadsheet like we did for the last one so people can see this?

Megan (9:40)

I think it's a good idea.

Chris (9:41)

I think we should.

Brian (9:42)

Okay. While you do that, I will walk people through so we have two categories for 25 to 26 minute long jams. One that is only 1.0 jams and then one that is 2.0 through 4.0 jams. We have 27 to 29 minute long jams, 30 to 34 minute long jams in the 1.0 category, and 30 to 34 minute long jams in The 2.0 to 4.0 category. We have 35 to 39 minute long jams, 40 to 44 minute long jams, and then 45 plus minute long jams. And we're going to go through each of these. Each one of us is going to make a selection. We're going to go in a snake order. We're going to determine the order shortly by way of dice and we're just going to debate and have fun and showcase our fish knowledge and talk about why we love these jams, why we're picking these jams. I'll say right out the gates, there's no wrong answer here. Maybe a couple, but there's no real wrong answer here. Anytime fish goes over 25 minutes, this is like, this is a blessing from above. This is. This is one of the greatest things that could happen at a show you've seen. My son got to see a 25 plus minute long jam during his very first fish show. He is, he is as blessed as you could possibly be in that category. So we're just going to go through here. This is all personal preference, holiday love. End of the year, we're almost finished with our top 25 list. We're about to have a ton of fun, guys. What, what am I forgetting here, rj? Am I forgetting anything?

Chris (11:27)

No, no, no. I just want to be on the record of saying this is the most ridiculous thing that we've ever done by a lot, ever, ever. I mean, just in terms of like the amount of. The amount. The amount of nerdness here. Just when you're describing the categories is just. It's something to behold.

Megan (11:46)

Yeah. But let me just tell you, we put this out and the nerds came out in force to support it. And we got the coolest like graphs and stuff on Blue sky, which I posted. People are into this and it's so fun to be able to do it. And I was just looking at my own longest gens scene live list And I, in 30 years of seeing this band have only seen eight jams that were over 25 minutes. So I just want to say that this is a really special thing and to have a list of all of Them is fucking cool, even if it is nerdy.

Chris (12:20)

How can someone find that information that you just found out?

Megan (12:24)

That I just found out?

Chris (12:26)

Yeah.

Megan (12:27)

I think I found mine out on net.

Brian (12:30)

I think that there is a stat.

Megan (12:32)

Yeah, there's a stat. I think, although I may have just gone through my shows, but I think I did it through net on a stat. I think I ran my stats. Yeah, I can look it up while we're doing this.

Chris (12:46)

The only thing that I was surprised by in preparing for this, which I've been preparing basically 24 hours a day for the last week, is not, like, the number of amazing jams that are 24 minutes and 50 seconds is, like, kind of astounding. Like, there are five of my favorite jams that are like 10 seconds away from being on this list. It's kind of amazing.

Brian (13:09)

Or.

Megan (13:09)

Or like there's so many, like 1.0 jams that are like 18 to 20 minutes long that are so good and they're not on the list. It's crazy. It's really crazy.

Chris (13:18)

Next we'll do the. The under seven minute jam draft.

Brian (13:22)

I think it's really funny that. So, like the Choctaw torture from Mexico this last year is like 39, 50, something like that.

Megan (13:31)

Yeah.

Brian (13:31)

And the. When they're playing chalk dust torturer prize, Trey yells another 40 minute chalk dust. And me and the nerds were sitting there being like, trey, it wasn't exactly 40 minutes. Okay? It was 39 minutes. All right, come on.

Chris (13:48)

Well, he also says 96 is the best year of fish. So you know, everything he says with grain of salt. All right, Brian set us up here. What do we do? Also, are you making the edits in this sheet or are we just going to talk through them?

Brian (14:00)

No, I'm making the edits. Don't worry. I've got everything under control here. I need you guys to pick rj. We think. I think that this is confirmed that you won the last episode, the last draft. So I need you to give me a number between 1 and 6.

Chris (14:20)

Wow. 3.

Brian (14:22)

Megan Q. Okay. And I am going to go with five. So I'm going to roll the dice here and see what happens. See who's going first. It's four. So RJ is going first. So now it is between Megan and myself. It is four, which means that Megan is going second and I'm going third. So RJ gets first, Megan gets second, I get third and fourth, Megan gets fifth, RJ gets six and seventh, so on and so forth. RJ, you have the very first pick. Of the 25 plus minute draft jam. Draft. Thank you. Please. What do you got?

Megan (15:12)

Oh, God. I'm so curious as to where you're going first.

Chris (15:16)

Yeah, well, there's a couple ways to look at this just for you all at home. There's a couple ways to think about it. There's. There's the quality of the category and then there's the quantity of the category. Right. So, you know, there, There's. There's a lot of. A lot of questions about. Yeah, see what you mean, man. For sure. That's up there. I think that the. I actually think the 40 to 44 is the. Is the hardest and I think that I think I'm gonna go there first. And I will tell you that I re listened to this jam yesterday in preparation because I hadn't listened to it in a little while. And the way that this. And there's. There's a couple others in this realm of minutes that are different than this. The way this builds to a peak after such a long time is just phenomenal. And I don't know how it happened, but I will take the 41723 Tweezer first.

Megan (16:20)

Honestly, like listening to. I listened to that last night too. That peak is one of my favorite peaks I think Fish has ever done. Like, it's so screechy and like the way that the audience is just absolutely losing their minds, it's just. It's tremendous. Totally wanted that jam. It's a good first pick. I think.

Brian (16:38)

Jam was preceded by my soul second set opener.

Megan (16:44)

It's true.

Brian (16:44)

I. I remember texting with two of my good friends that, hey, maybe this tweezer will be okay and save the show. And 30 minutes later we were like, it's still going. And then 40 minutes, we're like, it's still going. And then it segued into simple and it was the jam of the year. There was no. There was nothing. There was no competition in 2023 compared to the tweezer. Simple from the Greek. Amazing pick. Great job.

Chris (17:10)

But. But I do think I want to hear your both of your opinions on this as we go through here. And maybe there are other gems like this that. That take an opposite approach, right where it peaks early and then it gets weird or interesting. I think this is one that just like, it's a classic. It's kind of classic in that way that it builds toward a peak after so long. It's just feel like that's pretty rare.

Brian (17:31)

No, that's a good point. It's especially when you get that like late 20 minutes where they just get in like such a weird dance space and the idea of a rock peak feels so distant. Just awesome stuff. Awesome stuff. All right. We went big. You had to go with a 40 minute jam to kick things off. This is the beauty of it. All of these jams below it, they're. There's Nothing less than 15 minutes shorter than this. It's incredible. Or Nothing more than 15 minutes shorter than this. It's incredible stuff. Megan, what do you got?

Megan (18:04)

Oh, my God, I'm so nervous. Okay. I would say I have two, two feelings about this. I can go with my heart. But Brian and I were talking about before we went live that that usually fucks me up in these drafts. So I'm not gonna go with my heart. I think I'm gonna go with a jam that I just feel like I have to have. And there's two other jams in this category that I think are fucking awesome. So I don't even know if it's like the one that you should definitely take first, but I do think that I just have to have the 9001499 Boise bag. I just have to have it. I have to have it, but that's what I'm going for.

Chris (18:45)

That's some bullshit.

Megan (18:47)

It is. When I was listening back to this jam, it just like the way it floats so effortlessly and moves between sections and then it's so weird, but it's also dancy. That's so rare for a jam. I feel like there's so much weird shit in all these jams, but rarely is it dancy too. And that's what's so great about 99. Brian, what do you think?

Chris (19:15)

I just. Let me just say it's really.

Brian (19:17)

Go ahead. No, go ahead, rj. I'll hold. What I'm going to say, I just.

Chris (19:21)

Want to say this is my 8th ranked jam of all time and my 2nd ranked jam that would qualify in this draft. So thank you, Megan, for ruining my life.

Megan (19:33)

Yes, Brian, what are you going to say?

Brian (19:36)

I think it's just really interesting that you decided to take my personal favorite jam of all time first.

Megan (19:44)

Oh, is it your favorite? I totally forgot about that.

Brian (19:48)

A buddy of mine sent me a screenshot of you posting about the draft with this picture. And I said my response to him was, oh, that's cool that Megan is showing her cards and is going to draft my favorite jam first. Cool. Why don't we go on? I've got two picks here, so. Yeah, you do.

Megan (20:08)

You do.

Brian (20:11)

Yep, yep.

Megan (20:12)

I don't have the turn ever, right? I don't have the turn right.

Brian (20:15)

I know you're the second. You don't. You never get the turn.

Megan (20:17)

I think second sucks. That's what I was last time, too. It sucks.

Brian (20:21)

I don't know, man. Some people think first is the worst and second is the best. Um, that's true.

Chris (20:26)

I've heard people say that.

Megan (20:28)

I've never really been into that, but. Okay.

Brian (20:30)

It's not the best in the Snake draft. I'll tell you what. You're absolutely right about that.

Megan (20:35)

See? See?

Brian (20:36)

All right, so there's one category here that has to be addressed immediately, and that is very simple for me. That is the 112894 Tweezer from Bozeman. This category, I saw as not as deep as the other one, so I had to address it first. So I hope that. Yeah, I'm still kind of shaking after what just happened, so I don't really have a lot of. A lot of things to say. But my second jam here, I got to figure out a different strategy. Wow.

Megan (21:15)

Oh, I feel bad now.

Brian (21:19)

All right. I'm not. I'm just not into being a jerk. You know, you. You guys can be mean to each other. I'm just. I'm not into it. I'm glad the ev dude thinks I made the correct pick. Thank you. That is. That is strategically the right pick.

Megan (21:39)

I agree. That's what I wanted in that category. Next, I wanted the Greek Tweezer, and if I didn't get it, I wanted the Bozeman Tweezer. So. Yeah.

Brian (21:50)

All right, so I am between two categories here. I want to talk through it.

Megan (21:55)

Okay, let's do it.

Brian (21:57)

I am between one that is pretty unconventional, but not as deep, and I'm between another that I would count as three all Timer jams.

Megan (22:16)

If it has three, then you don't need to choose it. Like, the category has three jams that are all time.

Brian (22:22)

Category I had. That had two Alzheimer's, was 40 to 44. Yeah. So I think now I'm gonna bank on that still being here. And I'm gonna go with the 25 to 26 minute long jams in 1.0, which is a monster category. There are 21 jams. No 31 jams in this category. It's really, really outstanding stuff. Really hard to go wrong here with a lot of these picks, but I am going to go with my. The jam from my favorite show of all time. It has one of my favorite fish hookup moments ever. And that's the 123097 AC DC bag. If I can't have 9 14, at least I can have 1230 that builds and builds and builds, builds and builds and builds and builds. And then at like 13:31, don't call me out if you're listening to this at home. I don't know the exact time stamp, but you know what I'm talking about. There's a moment where it all builds and builds and builds and then Fishman hits the snare and they all connect and, oh, my God, I lose it every single time. Best show ever and one of the best jams ever. So I'm going 12 30, 97 bag.

Megan (23:53)

Well, if it makes you feel any better, I was there, and it's one of my favorite jams of all time that I've ever seen. So you got that.

Brian (24:02)

Thanks for reminding me you saw 1.0 fish. I totally forgot.

Chris (24:06)

I just want you guys to know that that is by far the top ranked jam in that category. For me, it's not really by far.

Brian (24:16)

I like how RJ is not even mad. He's just like, you guys are just, like, taking my favorite stuff.

Chris (24:20)

I mean, it's going to just, like, happen. I mean, it's fine. It's totally fine.

Brian (24:26)

All right, Meg, you've got one pick now.

Megan (24:34)

So I'm torn because I feel like there's a category. Well, okay, there's a few things. I basically can break hearts. I can break someone's heart really badly and take something that they love, which I've already done once, which I probably will never live down. There's also a category that's thinner than the others, but I don't really know if it matters as much to, like, the ultimate list in those.

Brian (25:00)

That's what I was just thinking. I think. I think exactly what you're talking about there.

Megan (25:03)

Like, I know what I want out of that category. It's a thin category, but I don't know if it actually really matters. This. Yeah, I think while you're waiting, rj.

Brian (25:18)

Do you want to put the spreadsheet back on the screen so people can see it as we're going through it?

Chris (25:23)

Sure, I'd be happy to do that.

Brian (25:25)

I just want to make sure Ryan Storm's happy and is updated.

Chris (25:30)

Yeah, Ryan being happy is basically why I'm. That's why I'm here.

Brian (25:36)

What's up?

Chris (25:38)

The only. The reason I minimized it is before is now you can't see us, Ryan, as well, which I'm sure you're sad about, but I know life is all about.

Megan (25:49)

Okay. I'm very much torn about which way to go here. I think I'm gonna scrap that idea. But I do kind of feel like it's a little tough because a lot of these gems that I want to pick, I just know you guys love, and it's just gonna have to end up happening like that. I guess it feels kind of like that.

Chris (26:10)

Yeah.

Megan (26:10)

Yeah. So my next category is, like, it's really interesting because when I listened to these back to back when I was in 35 to 39 minutes, and I don't know if I'm going to pick this, but I'm just talking about this out loud. When I listened to these back to back, I have three that I think are, like, the top for that category. And it was so interesting listening to all of these jams back to back, like from different eras and hearing, like, all the different sounds kind of consecutively. And just how sophisticated 4.0 is. Is just unbelievable. And how deep their sound is now. It's so cool. And I cannot believe how good this year has been for Fish. Just that really stood out to me listening back to all these jams. Okay, so I've hemmed and hot a lot, but I don't have another pick for a while, so I really need to make a decision here. Okay. Okay. I think I'm gonna do it. I think I'm gonna go to. Okay, fuck it. I'm just gonna go with my heart here and be super basic and obvious and.

Brian (27:29)

Don'T do it.

Megan (27:31)

Don't do it.

Brian (27:32)

Don't. If you're doing what I think you're doing to be basic and obvious, don't do it because you're gonna lose. But. But do whatever you're going to do.

Megan (27:40)

Okay, I'm going to do 25 to 26, the 1.0 category. I'm jumping way down, and I am picking a jam that I don't even know if you guys really like this jam, but it's one of my favorite gems of all time. And I'm picking the 7. 23. 97 Lakewood ghost. Yeah, I mean, it's just like, you know, I'm cool. Masterpiece. Yeah. And it's to me, it's to me, just like the essence of 97 summer. And I love it, and I have to have it on my list.

Chris (28:14)

It's good.

Brian (28:15)

You made. You made Ryan Storm happy, so I think, you know, that that counts for something.

Megan (28:20)

Does it have a sultry groove?

Brian (28:29)

That's a good jam. It's really funky. It's really groovy. I think that there are probably better ghosts in that category though. So that's good.

Megan (28:37)

That's good. I disagree. But yeah, I hear it. I hear you. Okay. I feel fine about that pick.

Brian (28:48)

All right. Megan has picked a very on brand jam and a jam that breaks hearts. What will she do next? Rj, what do you got?

Chris (29:05)

I know, it's so. This is so.

Brian (29:08)

I was. I said I was not going to get angry today. I'm going to get angry.

Megan (29:12)

I'm just going to actually, like, forget it. I'm going in, you guys. I'm taking everything. What I was trying.

Chris (29:18)

What did I do?

Megan (29:19)

So nice. Okay. Not you.

Brian (29:21)

There it is.

Megan (29:22)

I'm trying to be so nice. I was like, I'm not going to.

Chris (29:25)

What did I do wrong?

Megan (29:26)

How did I get Brian so sad. It's going to make RJ so sad. Forget it.

Brian (29:30)

Which. Which jams are you going to take that were going to make us?

Megan (29:33)

I'm not going to tell you.

Chris (29:35)

Oh.

Brian (29:35)

I just. I was just curious. Maybe a side conversation.

Megan (29:39)

Yeah. All right, I'll text you.

Chris (29:41)

You guys ready? We got to keep this moving. I already know what Brian. I already know what both of you are going to pick from this category. Actually, Brian already picked. I'm surprised actually that you didn't pick this. But I'm not going to pick it anyway. But there's a. There's a jam in this category that I expected you to pick.

Brian (29:57)

If I've already picked in the category and you're not going to pick it, what is it?

Chris (30:00)

Because it' not. Oh, because Megan could pick it.

Brian (30:04)

She's still picking in.

Chris (30:06)

She's still picking in that category. Okay.

Megan (30:08)

Okay.

Chris (30:08)

I'm taking the number. The best fish jam of all time. Obviously the most mind blowing thing that that fish has ever done. It's one of, if not the only time that they've ever taken a bow afterwards on stage. It is the culmination of the third ranked tour of all time. It's the culmination of everything to this point. It is everything. The providence Bowie.

Megan (30:35)

I let you have that. And just saying that, I mean, I.

Chris (30:41)

Thank you.

Megan (30:41)

You're welcome.

Chris (30:42)

Thank you. I mean, I have a. I have a framed jam chart.

Megan (30:46)

I know. I just felt like I actually on my wall.

Brian (30:48)

It would be really kind.

Chris (30:50)

It would be like trying to adopt one of my kids. You know, it's like I think they're exactly.

Brian (30:56)

It would be like taking the 91499 ACDC bank first. You're right.

Chris (31:00)

That's. Well, that's Fair.

Megan (31:02)

That's totally fair. I'm so sorry. I guess if you had a framed print in your house of that, I wouldn't have taken it.

Chris (31:10)

So.

Brian (31:11)

I met all of the great friends I met in college because of that jam. But anyway, I literally organized a work trip to Boise this October to physically stand in the same room.

Megan (31:25)

Oh, my God. I forgot about that. Now I feel really bad. I totally forgot I saw that picture.

Brian (31:34)

I. I didn't even have to do work. I just, like, was in the room. That was the whole reason.

Megan (31:40)

Oh, my God, it's hysterical.

Brian (31:42)

Continue. Rj, you have a second pick. Let's. I'm curious to hear what you're going to take.

Megan (31:45)

My God, this is. Sucks.

Chris (31:47)

I think I'm going to this category just so I can get it over with, because it is, I think, the most competitive category. But there's three jams in this category that I think are equally amazing, and it's really. It's really hard. What, What. What are the. It's the head or the heart or is that the.

Megan (32:10)

Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

Brian (32:15)

Where's your head and where's your heart right now? Tell us.

Chris (32:19)

Well, like, I was at one of them.

Megan (32:22)

Well, that'll you up like it's me, so just warning.

Chris (32:25)

One of them has one of the most beautiful grooves of all time. And one of them is. Is, I think, one of the most peak Fish experiences ever. But I wasn't there, so. Yeah, but I think it has to be. I think it has to be on my list. I'm taking. I'm gonna do it. I'm doing it. I'm sorry if this offends anyone. I'm gonna take the Baker's Dozen, Lawn boy.

Megan (32:51)

Nice.

Chris (32:51)

I think that it. I think that it's like. I think it is the best, like, again, culmination of so many things and just like, going back to the long gig and going back to the, like, all the mythology about, like, when Fish was gonna, like, lock everyone in a gymnasium and, you know.

Megan (33:11)

Yeah.

Chris (33:11)

Like, the fact that that all came to life in. In the summer of 2017, and the fact that, like, that you can write when they go into the jam, the crowd, and then when they finish it up at the end, it's just such a beautiful, amazing, moving thing that happened. So I. I have to have it. Although I just left two of my favorite jams on there, so, you know, that's what you gotta do. Life's about compromise.

Brian (33:37)

Also a very interesting jam in that the two segments both are extended peaks.

Chris (33:44)

Yeah.

Brian (33:44)

Like, you Talked about it like the, the Berkeley Tweezer is like, it builds to that one big peak, but this is like there's a peak up until like 19 minutes and then they bring it down and then the last 10 minutes are a peak. And you could just tell that they, yeah, they've done the first weekend of the dozen. They come back, they do this crazy gimmick that everyone's thrown off by. The sample opener, then sample jams, then lawn by lawn boy is not going to jam. And then 30 minutes later, my God.

Chris (34:10)

Just. Just phenomenal. I did leave. I left out. I left on the table a jam. At least one. I don't, I didn't look through the whole list. Probably I saw more of the jams in that category, but at least one that was equally life altering for me at the time. But I can't leave that one on the board. So that's, that's what I'm doing.

Brian (34:30)

I'm into that. I think that's a good thing. Before we go to Meg, we're going to do a quick recap of where we're at, just so everyone, everyone knows those who are just listening. RJ so far has the 72517 Lawn Bowie in the 27 to 29 minute category. He has the Providence Bowie in the 30 to 34.1.0 category and the 41720 Tweezer in the 40 to 44 minute category. These are a mouthful to say. Yeah, nerd stuff here. Megan has the Lakewood Ghost 723.97 in the 25 to 26 minute 1.0 category. And the the Boise Bag in the 27 to 29 minute category. And I have the 123097 Bag in the 25 to 26. 1.0 category and the 112894 Bozeman Tweezer in the 40 to 44 minute long category. Mag, you have another pick here.

Chris (35:33)

Brian, before you do that, can you. This is just to answer that with something equally nerdy. Can you please hide column B on the spreadsheet so that we can see. Oh, that's smart. 45. And also maybe turn like minimize a a little bit to up to our names, like shorten that column a little bit.

Brian (35:53)

Oh, you don't need to see like a whole white gap after our names is what you're saying.

Chris (35:57)

There we go. Some of Ryan asked if anyone chills from 45 plus and I just couldn't see. I'm here for you, Ryan. Okay.

Brian (36:03)

No, glad someone is.

Megan (36:10)

I know what I'm doing. I Know what I'm doing.

Brian (36:12)

She knows the strategy figured out.

Megan (36:14)

Now, maybe everybody thinks this is bad, but I love this jam, and I really want it on my list. And I'm choosing the Drums Logo twist because I fucking love that jam, and I have to have it. And I think that category. There are just two jams that are the best in that category. So I'm gonna go with that as my choice.

Chris (36:35)

Good job.

Megan (36:36)

Thank you.

Chris (36:38)

That's the one that I'm surprised Brian didn't pick, but I know that you like the. The Tweezer, so that's a very good pick.

Brian (36:48)

I have nothing. I. I'm sad, but that's a very good pick.

Megan (36:52)

Okay, good.

Brian (36:53)

It does open the door for me to make some easier decisions.

Megan (36:57)

Yeah.

Brian (36:57)

In that category.

Chris (36:58)

Well, no, you're. You're done with that category.

Brian (37:01)

Am I? I haven't done anything, so.

Megan (37:04)

No.

Chris (37:05)

According to my chart.

Brian (37:07)

Nope.

Chris (37:07)

I have a separate.

Megan (37:08)

Yeah.

Brian (37:10)

I'm selected in 25 to 26.

Chris (37:14)

Okay. Sorry.

Megan (37:15)

It is nice because once everybody's chosen, then you can go other places.

Chris (37:19)

Sorry, Brian. I had you on 11. On my own chart, I marked 11 2, not 11 28. That was my fault. Okay, now I understand.

Brian (37:26)

Oh, I see. I see. I see. Yeah, no, I. I like that. That's a great jam. It's a really, really great gym. It's a monster gym. That is. I hate air travel. And that set I listen to every time I fly.

Megan (37:44)

Yeah. I just want to live in that space. That's, like, the more and more that we've listened to so many of these top tours, I just keep finding myself wanting to return to the really, like, spacey, ethereal ambient the fish does like. It's just. It's really where I want to be right now. And that drums logo twist is a perfect example of it.

Brian (38:08)

It's the zone. Anything else you guys want to say about that?

Chris (38:15)

No, I think. Let me just. For the podcast listeners, we'll take a quick break.

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Chris (39:24)

My name's Lurk and I'm the host of Lambgoat's Van Flip podcast. Every week I have in depth conversations with bands from all over the scene, big and small. We also like to keep our finger on the pulse and showcase up and coming bands on the show as well. So come check out Lambgoat's Van Flip podcast. All right, Brian, you ready to make 10 picks in a row?

Megan (39:44)

Crushing.

Chris (39:45)

Next 10. I haven't had a pick in like an hour. It feels like.

Brian (39:51)

Chris over here. That twist that Megan took is the reason why the Japan tour was misranked this season. I love this take because I think we all debated whether or not we ranked it too low and if we ranked it too low because there weren't enough shows. But I love that we have listeners who are hanging on to anger at where we ranked our tours. This is great stuff. Thank you, Chris. I don't think you're wrong, but I like four shows.

Chris (40:22)

Barely made it. Barely made the list of the tour.

Brian (40:24)

RJ's building his argument right now.

Megan (40:26)

Yeah, exactly. Yeah. But oh my God. I agree. That jam makes it worth it.

Brian (40:33)

Okay, I think I know what I'm doing next. This was my second category I was going to go after and I kind of panicked and went after my third category. Okay, this is 45 plus minute long jams.

Megan (40:50)

Don't do it, Brian.

Chris (40:51)

Don't do it to me.

Brian (40:53)

Now there are four jams that I have identified as pick worthy, so we're not necessarily in the 40 to 44 minute category here. My gut is telling me to go someplace. My head is also telling me to go to that place, but my head is also telling me to go someplace else. So I want to get your guys's thoughts. Okay?

Megan (41:20)

Okay.

Brian (41:22)

Open discussion here. Because like I said, I don't care who wins. I just like the competition in the discourse. Okay, what do you think is more valuable here? A huge jam off of a celebrated song or a Late night jam that is fully experimental.

Megan (41:43)

Oh, the big jam off a big song. That's my favorite.

Brian (41:48)

That was my thing, honestly. Because you sound a little sarcastic right now, and I just want to make sure you actually feel the way that you're speaking.

Megan (41:57)

It's debatable. It depends how you feel about the jam. It's just the quality of the jam that counts, right? Doesn't matter when it was played or what it's set up was.

Brian (42:06)

Are you just reading Ryan Storm's text messages to me?

Megan (42:10)

No, but you agree with that too. Like, it doesn't matter where the jam was played or who it was played for or not played for. So, yeah, I think you got to go with whatever jam you love the best. But also, like, you know, you don't have to break my heart.

Chris (42:27)

Brian. I just want to just jump in here.

Brian (42:29)

I want to hear your opinion too.

Chris (42:31)

I will. I will tell you. I would tell you. You guys probably know this already. I do not, Like, I do not think of these late night jams in the same category. I understand why they're in the this discussion, but to me, it's like. And you guys go for it. Battle each other to the death. I'm not going to pick one of these late night gems because it doesn't. To me, it does not hit like, anything else.

Megan (42:56)

Right.

Chris (42:57)

Maybe because I'm just not like, that's just not where I go for this kind of fish. Like, I don't listen to these jams a lot. I don't listen to any of those late night jams really. I hardly ever do. I do. When they happen or when we do a recap or something. When we do a revisit of a tour. But, like, I know cool stuff happens, but to me, a giant jam off of a song that is part of the history of a particular tour or year is always going to be a priority for me.

Megan (43:27)

I totally get that.

Chris (43:28)

But that's just me. That's like.

Brian (43:29)

No, no, I. I think that's.

Chris (43:30)

I feel like I'm in the minority. I think I'm in the minority.

Brian (43:33)

Well, in. In this chat, you might be.

Megan (43:35)

Yeah.

Brian (43:36)

I think in the grand scheme of things, you are not.

Megan (43:42)

I definitely don't return to them as much except more as, like, background stuff. But. But I totally see that argument. But it also. Those are some of the most special moments that fish has ever made.

Chris (44:01)

Like, yeah, no argument.

Brian (44:05)

I think I know what I mean.

Chris (44:06)

I'm not drafting them. I'm not drafting.

Brian (44:07)

I think I know what I'm gonna Do I appreciate you saying that? And. And your. Your words make me think I should do. Take one move here. But I don't really care about beating you. I care about. What I care about is discussing music that I really love in depth with my friends. That's the goal of my entire life. That's all I want to do. That's all I want to spend.

Chris (44:30)

Would you say that it's not whether you win or lose, but it was the friends along the way that you made along the way.

Brian (44:35)

I would say that with regards to drafts, I would not say that with regards to bands going on tour and asking for money to see them play. I'm going to do this kind of thing no matter what. So here. Here's what I'm going to do. I am a 2.0 fiend. I don't think that they sounded any more like fish 2.0 than they did when they were playing on top of the tower at the IT festival, which I am on record as saying is a perfect festival. I don't care what RJ says. The. The Tower Jam is to me, this band, 20 years into their career rediscovering themselves, totally freeing, totally experimental, totally wild. And had it not been for the realities of what was going on in their personal lives, we could have heard so much more music on this level. And I'm into it. I'm not. I was. I was considering taking the Woodlands Jam, which is a perfect jam, but Megan had like 50 good minutes at Monda Green, and I didn't want to take those away from her. So true. So it's not true.

Megan (46:01)

It is.

Brian (46:02)

It's not true. So I'm gonna go from there. I've got one more pick here and I'm gonna go to 35 to 39min. You know what? I think I'm basically just in the zone right now of picking from my heart, but.

Megan (46:19)

Oh, I totally know where you're going to pick.

Brian (46:22)

I'm torn within my heart. I'm just going to tell you straight up. I am between the Mexico 24 wave of hope and the Mexico 24 Choctaws torture. I had a really good year, Fish. Probably the best year I've ever had a Fish. And I got two just amazing moments, like, on a personal level. One was during the Wave of Hope when I looked at my watch and saw that we had crossed 30 minutes. And I turned to my wife and I just was like, beaming. And I was like, this is my first 30 minute jam since Coventry. And the other was my son getting Exhausted going into set two at Dick's and sitting on my lap for a 25 minute long jam. That said, I think I've become convinced I've been beaten down over the year. I think that the Choctaws Torture is the supreme jam. I was closer. I had thought there was no chance that we would get back to back 30 minute jams, let alone a near 40 minute jam. The entire crowd got down harder than I've ever seen them get down around like 18 minutes in the Chalk Dust. And then Trey discovered this riff and Fishmen went crazy with the effects. And I was looking out at the moon over the ocean and I was just like, this is the greatest place I've ever been to in my entire life. I don't ever want to leave. So I think I'm going to go here with the Choctaws Torture from Mexico this year for 35 to 39 minutes and I'm going to hand it over to Meg.

Megan (48:07)

I do also think Chalk Dust is a better jam than the Wave of Hope. It's close, but listening to them to back, I think the Chalk Dust beats it. I do.

Chris (48:18)

I just want to say quickly, just Chris on the chat is just on fire and killing it. Appreciate it.

Brian (48:26)

We should have done.

Megan (48:29)

Oh my God. Wait. I think you have to read that so people who listen to the podcast can hear it. I can't because it's just too heartbreaking.

Brian (48:38)

I don't know why there wasn't a five to seven minute category so Megan could pick the jam charted my pet cat or your pet cat from Monda Green. It's a mic drop. That's an all time comment.

Megan (48:50)

Oh my God.

Brian (48:51)

Like Chris understanding, like deep, deep layers of this podcast.

Megan (48:56)

Thank you, Chris.

Brian (48:57)

Thank you, Chris.

Megan (48:58)

Thank you. I really did want to draft that. My pet cat.

Chris (49:01)

I also want to just say that Chris had a comment earlier when we were talking about the the late night jam. Said planning to play an hour long jam is not the same as falling into a 50 minute jam. Which I think is a really good point.

Megan (49:12)

I totally agree with that. Although who's to say those aren't slightly planned too?

Brian (49:16)

Boom, boom, boom.

Megan (49:18)

Right?

Brian (49:19)

Intentionality is a thing that you kind of need in art. I don't know. Maybe I'm just. Maybe I'm just a guy who's like, they can just stumble into magic. Like, let's just let them. Let's let them be, man.

Megan (49:29)

Yeah, there was a time and a place that they did maybe stumble into that. But I would say most long jams, they're they're intentionally going.

Brian (49:38)

And cocaine probably helped with those.

Megan (49:41)

And it's also kind of hard to jam off nothing.

Chris (49:48)

I just want to. I want to. I want to validate Ryan's comment here that Brian is a vibes guy.

Megan (49:55)

Brian totally turned him into a vibe.

Brian (49:59)

Totally.

Chris (49:59)

He used to rank. He used to analyze. Now it's just like. Like I was just, like, there and, like the sun and then the dark, and I was just, like, feeling it.

Brian (50:08)

I was. I was feeling it. But you know what? Hey, they charge you an arm and a leg to feel those vibes.

Megan (50:15)

And they're not cheap. That's fine.

Brian (50:19)

No, those are not cheap. And I. Had I not gotten those, I would have been like. Yeah, you know, the. The virgin mojitos were great, but no deep jams instead. The virgin mojitos were great and I got deep jams.

Chris (50:33)

You got it.

Megan (50:33)

Yeah. And. And I've been to Mexico without deep jams. It's still really great. Great vibes, but true.

Chris (50:39)

Very true. Hey, we got a whole set of wave themed songs one year. That's great.

Brian (50:45)

Yeah.

Chris (50:45)

Played Waves and then Ruby Waves.

Brian (50:48)

That was. Those are great. Back to back. What do you guys. Oh, no, you weren't at that. Were you at that night, Meg? I feel like you were. You missed one.

Megan (50:54)

I went one night. I think I did. Yeah. I went the second second. I missed the first night. I think I missed that night.

Brian (51:00)

The Mexico chalk dust brings. Brings peace amongst the vibesters and the rockers. Thank you, Evie. Dude, Season of peace.

Megan (51:08)

It is a season of peace.

Chris (51:10)

Okay.

Brian (51:11)

All right, Meg, your turn.

Megan (51:13)

My turn. Okay. I'm torn between two in this category. I know what category I'm in, and I listen to these two back to back, and people might have different opinions about which one I should have chosen, but I'm in the 25 to 26, 2.0 to 4.0 category.

Chris (51:32)

Okay.

Megan (51:33)

And there's one jam that I love, like, so much. And, well, there's two, but one of them, I just. There's something about it. It's so sophisticated. It's so contemplative. It's so effect laden. It's so fucking weird. And I just have to pick it. So it is the 10, 17, 21. Set your soul free from San Francisco. Gotta have it.

Chris (51:58)

Yeah.

Brian (52:02)

That's a great jam. That is one of my single favorite riffs that Trey has ever played.

Megan (52:10)

Yes.

Brian (52:11)

If you don't know what I'm talking about, you need to go and listen to it because holy crap, not you. You clearly know what I'm talking about.

Megan (52:16)

But other people.

Brian (52:20)

A good one.

Chris (52:21)

Wow, thanks.

Brian (52:23)

That was the night after RJ and I saw them in San Francisco and they, they came out and played a four song second set. It was, I want to say, the first four song second set in a long time.

Megan (52:35)

Wait, were you guys not at. You weren't at the show? You were at the show, right?

Brian (52:38)

We just did a one night. We flew in for Saturday Saw, which was a great show. And then we nearly podcasted on the way back, but someone decided not to let me. And so I flew home and I podcasted solo about 10, 16. You can look it up. It's just me talking for like 18 minutes.

Chris (52:58)

Was I sleeping in your basement at that time?

Brian (53:01)

I think so. And I, I just. And you, you wouldn't come out of the, of the, of the BTP studios. First four song sets. 62004. Thank you, Ryan.

Chris (53:12)

My God. My God.

Brian (53:14)

Okay, that's a good one. That's a great one.

Megan (53:16)

Wow, thanks guys.

Brian (53:20)

Rj.

Chris (53:21)

Yeah.

Brian (53:22)

You've got two picks.

Chris (53:23)

Yes. Hell yeah, I do. Wow.

Megan (53:29)

Two picks. That's unfair for me.

Chris (53:31)

Yeah. Okay. This is easy. The first one I'm going to pick is another one of my favorite jams of all time, going in the 30 to 34. 2.0 to 4.0 area. I listened to another jam from this category today just to, just to. Just to make sure. But I'm gonna go with the 7.15.03. Mr. Completely. This, this to me. And you know what? If you don't like, if you don't know this jam, you better go listen to it immediately after this because not only is it the fish debut of the song, there are, it's like multiple kind of segments. There's a bunch of like euphoric stuff. It's, it's really. Fishman is just all over it. It is a, it is a. It is the beginning of kind of like this push toward it that I think just has a lot of amazing gems. But this is to me one of the best. And it's one of those jams, like a lot of the jams that didn't make this list because they were only 24 minutes and 58 seconds that like, they start fast, they stay fast, the tempo never lets up. And it's just, it's a whirlwind. It's a whirlwind of a jam. And I think it's pretty unique. I don't know of many jams that sound like this. So that is my pick in that Category. I'm leaving a lot of, you know, 4.0 stuff on the table there. But, you know, what are you gonna do?

Megan (55:06)

I always forget about that jam. That's such a good jam.

Brian (55:09)

Sludgy, sludgy groove. Just great, great stuff. And kind of emblematic of summer 2003.

Chris (55:20)

Yeah.

Brian (55:20)

Love it.

Chris (55:21)

Yeah. Really is. Okay, so I don't know. I don't really know where to go next, to be honest.

Brian (55:33)

I think all categories have had at least one jam selected, so there's nothing open at this point in time. You've got some great picks so far.

Chris (55:46)

Thank you, Brian. That's very nice.

Megan (55:48)

I'm just.

Brian (55:48)

I'm just admiring your list. Meg. You do, too.

Megan (55:51)

Thanks. Thanks, Brian.

Brian (55:53)

Sure.

Chris (55:54)

It's. It's sort of a. I'm in a spot now where in this category I'm either going. And you both have picked in this category, so I could just. I can just. I can just brainstorm out loud with you guys. Yeah, so. So I think that to me, the top choices in the 25 to 26 minute 1.0 jam that are left. There's. There's like a few different directions you can go in. You could go with, like, the 6001595 Bowie, you know, Summer 95. You go with like the 112197 ACDC bag or the 11 22.97 Haley's, which I think are both amazing. Or you could go with a jam that was. I was reintroduced to the majesty of the actual jam because we got so caught up in the bomb factory stuff that happened. And then we went back and did that tour. I, like, listened to it again, and I was like, this. The. The Tweezer itself is really. It's a really amazing jam. And it's like. It's a very good jam. It has, like, a really beautiful segment in there. And so I feel like there's. And then there's the Radio City Ghost, which is like a whole different counterpoint. Yeah, I think I was. I think I was at that show. So I don't know. I mean, I could do. I guess I need to figure out, like, where to go for the clicks, you know, But. But I don't know. I don't know who's clicking. I don't know where the clicks are going to come. I think the clicks would probably come from fall 97.

Megan (57:20)

Probably. I know what my choice was. I know my. My third one in that category. Do you want to know it?

Chris (57:26)

Yeah. Was your second 1230 97?

Megan (57:29)

No, that was my first.

Chris (57:32)

I thought Brian. No, no, no. Oh, yeah. That would have been your first.

Brian (57:36)

That would have been a revenge pick.

Megan (57:37)

It was his revenge pick. We both got each other's bags. Then I had the Lakewood. And then I love the Radio City Ghost. I just think it's so. I could listen forever to that jam. It's so mesmerizing. That drone. And it's just. It never peaks. Which I think is so fucking cool. Like, it just. It never peaks, but it's still interesting. And I. I think that's just such a special piece of music that's very unique, but it's not. It's not going to be the Haleys. It's, you know. Yeah, I get it.

Brian (58:08)

I would go with either the Radio City Ghost or the Hampton Haleys. Yeah, I think the Hampton Haleys if you include. Which some people wouldn't. The Pre jam. The Pre show.

Chris (58:22)

Yeah.

Brian (58:22)

Banter.

Megan (58:24)

Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Brian (58:25)

A really amazing fish lore moment. You have Trey yelling at Mike to Stan F. And then you have pages, synthesizers that may. May never have sounded as majestic and Kubrickian as they did in that jam. When those synths hit and they just. They go down and the music turns like bluish purple. I lose it.

Chris (58:53)

These two shows in a row, the 1121 and 1122, which we're going to talk about soon, I mean, it's just. It's crazy. Those two shows back to back are just insane. And I think like the argument for the ACDC bag in 1121, it's like the anchor of this four song second set that it's just, you know, it's again, similar, right? There's like a lot of funk, there's a lot of ambient space, but that one segues into Slave in a way that just is. Wow.

Brian (59:24)

I got into an argument with a good friend of the pod, Ben Greenfield, on November 22 this year when I said that the November 21 second set is the best set of the weekend. The Ghost is just like building. It's almost like that ACDC bag from 1230 97. You know what I'm talking about? Mat bag. And the HTC bag is Shoegaze Majesty. And. And then, yeah, that segue. You can't really go wrong, rj. You've got a good pick here and you can close out this category in a nice way.

Chris (59:55)

Okay, well, I'm just. Now I'm. Now I'm not picking any of that stuff after everything you guys said because you. You guys made so many good arguments that now I can't choose. So I'M gonna go to. This is gonna hurt me in the rankings. Oh, go ahead.

Brian (60:09)

Okay. No, no, go ahead. Go ahead. Do we.

Chris (60:11)

I want to hear. I want to hear what you say.

Brian (60:12)

I was gonna say that any of those picks would beat out what Megan and I have done.

Chris (60:16)

No, not the 123097 ACDC bag.

Megan (60:20)

It's the best category.

Chris (60:22)

It's the best in the category.

Megan (60:23)

It's the best in the category for sure.

Chris (60:25)

Sorry, guys, I'm taking so long.

Megan (60:27)

Okay. I'm gonna get the all the summer. 97 stands out for my fucking pick. You'll see. You'll see.

Brian (60:33)

RJ, have a 5:30 hard stop. Let me just meander around this one pick.

Chris (60:38)

Okay. Okay. So the other option here is to pick a jam. That is what. Up to the. To that date, you know, when I was collecting tapes, it was the most stunning thing that I had received on tape because I think it was so weird for that year. And. And it was. It was a whole different direction, which was the 11, 796 bathtub gin from rep arena kind of like changed it kind of. I think that was the. The moment that we. That we transitioned in 1996. That's my. That's like. That's the show where we really. We really transitioned. That all said Brian. I'm gonna. I'm Gonna choose the 112297 Haley's.

Megan (61:24)

Yeah, it's a great pick.

Chris (61:25)

I feel like I have to. Yeah, but that category is just.

Megan (61:29)

Yeah, yeah.

Chris (61:30)

Category is stacked.

Megan (61:32)

It's stacked. It's such a good category. There's so many good gems in that one.

Chris (61:37)

All right, okay. So I have another pick or.

Brian (61:39)

No, I think that's it. You picked 7 1503. 25 years ago.

Chris (61:45)

Do you want me to just do another pick, though, anyway?

Megan (61:46)

No, I feel like I never understand snake dress. No, you don't get another one.

Brian (61:55)

The snake drop does work better when there's more than three people, I'll admit that. But it works for these purposes.

Chris (62:03)

Sorry that I lost all of our listeners through my. My, you know, out loud thinking.

Brian (62:08)

No, I mean, it's a podcast. The whole point of it is to talk. It's. It's a quite a concept. I'll tell you what, some people get away with three and a half hour long episodes. We keep it tight here. I think that this category was the hardest because they really, like when. When fish jams 25 to 26 minutes, it means like, something's on, but also, like, there's no fat. Like, they're really feeling it. But there's no, like. There's no, like. There's no weird section. It's just, like, aggressive, amazing fish. So I think you. We did the right thing. Megan, you're up now. You. I can't believe it. You saved all your long jams for the end. This was quite a bold move.

Megan (63:01)

Yeah, well, I didn't have a choice, you guys. I think you chose, like, I was originally gonna choose those longest categories first, but then I decided that I really wanted the Boise bag, and then I had to throw everything out the window because then you guys just started picking, and so then it didn't. It didn't matter as much if I went there. So if that makes sense, because you.

Brian (63:25)

Got the Boise bag, you have the best jam of all time. So you're good.

Chris (63:27)

Yep.

Megan (63:30)

And also, you've both chosen in those categories. The other ones. So I get to just leave those to the end. And now I'm going to have. I don't know. We'll see. Reba has thoughts about that. Okay, so this category was interesting to me. I'm going to choose. Have you, either of you chosen from the 30 to 34 category 2.0?

Brian (63:53)

RJ chose the Mr. Completely.

Megan (63:56)

That's right.

Brian (63:57)

I have not chosen from that category.

Megan (64:00)

Okay, Sorry. Okay. I think. I think I'm gonna choose from this category. I'm gonna choose a jam. I don't think that either of you would have chose anyway, but I love this jam. And similar to what we were talking about the other day, I think you were talking about RJ on the chapter series is that when you listen or listening to so much fish, you're looking for something to stop you in your tracks. You're looking for something to stop you while you're folding the laundry or, like, grocery shopping. You have to, like, hear something that just, like, makes everything stop. And this jam has it for me. It's the 8303 IT Ghost. It just has that, like, dissonant effect. Soundscapes. It starts at, like, 20 minutes in. It just. Absolutely. Just every moment time I hear it, I just, like, stop whatever I'm doing. So that's what I want from that category.

Brian (64:56)

Also peak around 13 minutes. Great, great stuff. Perfect festival. Thank you for representing, man.

Megan (65:05)

You know, I'm like, now. I'm like 2.0 girl.

Chris (65:07)

Who knew you're working your way toward the longer gems. Meg. Just really, really, really strategic.

Brian (65:14)

It's the same approach that John Hart. Jonathan Hart took this in a previous draft where he went in chronological order.

Megan (65:21)

And I didn't mean to.

Brian (65:23)

I appreciate it. I think it's a good. I think it's a good. It's a fun approach.

Megan (65:27)

It wasn't my approach originally, but it's. It's turned out that way. Huh?

Brian (65:30)

It's turned out that way.

Chris (65:33)

Like that's how life is.

Megan (65:34)

Yeah. You just never know what's going to happen.

Brian (65:37)

Comes at you fast. I'll tell you what. All right, so I have two picks now, and I'm going to go to the same category that you did.

Megan (65:48)

Okay.

Brian (65:49)

30 to 34 minutes, 2.0 to 4.0. And I am between two jams here now. You know what? I'm just going to go with what I know is right.

Megan (66:06)

What's that?

Brian (66:08)

The 7-32-2003 sense and subtle sounds. Third jam from the show. This sounds like dawn on LSD. Some incredible crash cymbal work from Jonathan Fishman. I am on record in multiple places that I think 72903 to 8303 is one of the best runs in this band's history. I think 7.30.03 is. Is the 2.0 show. And I think a lot of it is because of this jam. It is psychedelic. It's weird. We used beyond the Pond once to compare to bands like Tortoise and Seeing Cake and a bunch of other 90s kind of shimmery psychedelic indie rock stuff. I'm into it. Really good stuff. Really good stuff. Really piss anyone off. Are you guys just cool with me taking it?

Chris (67:05)

No, you're cool. This is the one that I re. Listened to today because I was like. Like I knew we listened to it recently, but I went back to it today to. To. And then it moved up in the rankings in that category for me in case my top choice was gone. So.

Megan (67:18)

Yeah.

Brian (67:18)

Good move.

Chris (67:20)

It's good.

Megan (67:21)

Such a good jam. I think that's the. The tour that surprised me the most in our top 25 tour series. That's the. The tour that I liked more than I. One of the best tours. Like, I've enjoyed listening to that tour more than a lot of them.

Chris (67:35)

Same.

Megan (67:35)

It's fascinating.

Brian (67:37)

It's really amazing tour. As ev dude says correctly. A jam so good that they had no choice but to play the Basement Tapes afterwards. He's so, so right. There are certain jams that require the Beatles afterwards. There are certain jams that require Bob Dylan afterwards. And this required Bob Dylan. All right, I have one more pick here before we go. I didn't intend this to happen. Promise.

Megan (68:05)

Oh, no.

Chris (68:06)

Drumroll.

Brian (68:07)

But I am gonna go with 25 to 26 minute, 2.0 to 4.0. And I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go with where? Where the hell is this? Why can't I find this hold place? Can't find this anywhere. It's here. I know it's here. Where are you? I'm sorry. Can someone talk while I'm trying to find a jam?

Megan (68:41)

So I have. I have two gems that I would think that you would choose from out of this one that were my favorites. Next.

Brian (68:48)

I found it. I think so there it is. Okay. 25 to 26 minutes. 2.0 to 4.0. This is my favorite jam of 2.0. And I guess I'm just a Vibes guy today.

Chris (69:02)

Yeah, you are.

Megan (69:03)

You are.

Brian (69:05)

I think the best music that they played in 2.0. I think it's a perfect note for no jam. The 729, 2003 cross eyed and painless. There's not a single section of that I would change. And I. I'm leaving some stuff on the table. I also was considering the 7, 903 gin. The 8, 30, 24 chalked US torture, which would have been another vibes pick. 10, 27, 18 nomen, 7, 14, 23, Ruby. I mean, a couple others, but I think that this is by far the strongest pick of the era. And I. I'm just. I'm super into it. I've got three 2.0 gems here, so I'm just showing my cards right now.

Megan (69:49)

Now. It's very.

Chris (69:56)

Wow.

Brian (70:00)

Meg, you are. You are up next. Okay, time to break some hearts again.

Megan (70:09)

Yeah, well, I doubt it because you. I think you've all picked in all of these categories. Except for. Except for one. Well, you've. You've both picked in the last two categories, so I don't need to choose there. And I have.

Brian (70:26)

I'm the only person who's picked in 45 plus minute, and I'm the only person who's picked in 35 to 39, if that helps you. RJ and I have both 40.

Megan (70:35)

Yeah. Okay. That's right. RJ hasn't picked 45 plus, but I don't think he wants what I want anywhere, so I don't have to worry about that. I. Yeah, I mean, I think this is a very. This is a very on brand pick for me, but I have to go ahead and draft one of my favorite jams of all time. Yeah, I knew this was 12, 30, 19 tweezer, and maybe it's basic, but I listened to this last night. I listened to the Mexico Chalk dust, the Wave of hope from 24 and from Mexico, and then this, and I was like. Like, just something beat this out for me, and it didn't. This jam is perfect. And regardless of me being there, when I a beat it, it stands up to any of those jams. And it's so. It's just so lyrical and so perfect. It has everything you want in a jam. And, yeah, so maybe everybody expected it of me, and it's boring, but I didn't have to get out of anything. I get. Give anything up to get it, so that's a win for me.

Brian (71:41)

I mean, Fish channeling Brian Enos. The big ship is just a meeting of two of the greatest artists of all time. I don't know how we haven't had Brian Eno produce a Fish record. That's. That's a big.

Megan (71:53)

Oh, my God.

Brian (71:54)

Big oversight. But, yeah, those. Those seven minutes are. Are some of the best music that the band has ever played.

Megan (72:02)

Agreed.

Brian (72:05)

Good pick.

Chris (72:07)

Wow. All right. Geez. This is getting serious.

Brian (72:13)

I like how she also snuck in a subtle dig that this beat out the Choctaws torture from Mexico.

Chris (72:19)

Yeah, Yeah.

Megan (72:21)

I listen.

Brian (72:22)

Casually threw that in there.

Megan (72:24)

I have to say. I have to say I think if I hadn't been there, the Choctaws may have beaten it. Only because I think it's so wild, and it's kind of a ferocious beast in that sense that I think is just, like, thrilling. But the Beauty of the 1230, 19, I think, is what won it over for me. And attendance bias. I'll admit it. And I have a hat.

Brian (72:51)

I have a hat for it. When Paige and Trey just align on that synthesis stuff. Oh, my God.

Chris (72:57)

It's great.

Megan (72:58)

I mean, I was crying. I was crying like on the Florida msg.

Chris (73:02)

And I just want you to know, Megan, I would never pick this jam.

Brian (73:05)

I wouldn't either. I would leave that jam there, as well as the Providence Bowie for every single draft. It's. It's an open door. But I can't leave 725.99 or the 914.99 ACDC bag anywhere, but I would never pick this. And it's not I love you guys because I love you. It's because there are better jams. Sorry. Continue.

Megan (73:29)

Ouch. Okay. That seems fair.

Brian (73:32)

Okay.

Megan (73:33)

We have gotten each other's favorites in these jams, for this isn't, like, unprecedented. No, Brian, I will say we're in.

Brian (73:41)

The competitive heat of.

Megan (73:45)

We are. We are. I'm sorry. I took your favorite Jam.

Brian (73:49)

I'm feeling a lot of pressure in the chat right now. There's a lot of, like, unspoken aggression over a certain jam that has not been taken yet. That they're acting as though, I don't.

Megan (74:00)

Know, 2.0 jam looms. Oh, boy.

Chris (74:03)

I know. I know exactly what they're talking about.

Brian (74:05)

And I know what they're talking about. Well, you can't do it. You picked a lawn boy over it.

Chris (74:09)

Well, I wouldn't do it anyway. People who think it was. It was one of. It was one of my three choices in that category. And I chose. I chose the. I chose the moment over the jam.

Brian (74:24)

Perhaps I have that as my last category to pick because it's the deepest, but that didn't hold Megan back from cutting my heart out. RJ, you are up. Meg just took the 12 30, 19 tweezer. You have three more picks.

Chris (74:47)

Wow. Okay.

Megan (74:49)

Wow.

Chris (74:50)

So number one, we are going to go to the 45 plus category at this moment. Actually, now I'm confused between two. Hey, when this happens.

Megan (75:03)

Wait, do you have one or two picks right now?

Chris (75:05)

Two. Okay, two. I'll just. I'm just gonna go with the 11.29.97 Runaway Gym because this is a, to me, one of the most interesting things they've ever done in a. In a tour filled with interesting things. I think all of my picks so far have been from this tour, but whatever this is, this is there. There's a. There's like a weak. A POG jam in there. There's all there. There's everything that you could possibly hope for in. In a fall of 97 jam. And I. I think it's just. I think it's pretty perfect. They were heading. And we're going to talk about this next week, but they're heading in this, like, sort of toward the end of the tour here. And they were unstoppable. And every single thing they did was amazing. And the longest jam of the tour, longest jam to date. Pretty amazing. So I'm taking that. Wow.

Megan (76:01)

Is that really the longest jam to date? I don't think I knew that.

Chris (76:05)

Yeah.

Megan (76:06)

That's crazy.

Chris (76:07)

It is.

Megan (76:08)

That's awesome.

Chris (76:09)

I think that's gonna cost me with it. With the. With the votes. I actually think it's gonna, like, cost me a little bit.

Brian (76:16)

It's a controversial.

Chris (76:17)

Popular. I think it's a controversial pick, but I don't care. I'm just here to. For truth Veritas.

Megan (76:26)

You're also been listening. Sorry, go ahead, Brian.

Brian (76:29)

I was gonna say RJ thinks That we're gonna, like, add up the total amount of minutes in each of our jams and that that's what wins. Yeah, that jam is really. Is really wild, though. I. I re. Listened to that, obviously, for fall 97. What's crazy about it is it sounds Nothing like fall 97.

Chris (76:48)

No.

Megan (76:50)

Yeah.

Brian (76:50)

It's a band that could play any style of music, regardless what the dominant theme was of that tour. That's. That's an incredible jam. Even though Trey says that he thinks it sounds like they're playing in a living room to no fans.

Chris (77:04)

Yeah. Yeah, whatever. I mean, you know, my God, I was actually gonna just. Just. I guess we'll just go. We'll just go to this category on. On next. Speaking of Trey. Trey told. Told us and. And maybe said in other things that this was. This next gen that I'm gonna pick was not supposed to be this jam. It was supposed to be the jam before where they're going to manufacture a really long and amazing jam. This one at what, 20, 30, 38 minutes. I think it clocks in at. This is closing out this category so we can talk about other possibilities here. But I'm gonna. I'm gonna go with the Alpine Ruby Waves. I think this. It's kind of the opposite to me of like, some of my other picks, like the Providence Bowie, certainly in that. That it's very clearly planned, but that doesn't make it any less interesting. I mean, I think the. I think it's. It's the longest. You know, it's one of the longest gems they've played in. In 4.0. But also, it just is so. It's so interesting how they go through so many different ideas throughout. And it never really resolves. It never really kind of like slows down, but it. But when you listen to it, and it was the first LP on LP release, which I have, and. And you can just listen to this all the way through, and it's like a mini album. There's just like little pieces of different genres in there in this, you know, 38 minutes or whatever. So I'm gonna. I'm gonna do it.

Brian (78:32)

The helicopter effects around 20 minutes. Yeah, you've talked about this a lot, and I think it's. It's apt for this. This sounds like band practice. Like, it. It sounds like they are going through how to jam 40 minutes again. Like. Yeah, like, how do we do this in front of an audience? And it's wild about it because, you know, thinking back 2019 doesn't seem that far away, but there were no fish shows in 2020. And obviously things felt like they changed when they came back in 2021. But this does sound like the first 4.0 fish jam.

Megan (79:07)

Yeah, definitely.

Brian (79:11)

So this category is closed out along with. So we've gotten 30 to 35 to 39 minutes. 7 14, 19 Ruby, 12 30, 19 Tweezer. Two 2019 jams in that category. That is gonna get us some heat, I'll tell you what.

Chris (79:26)

And then two, we left Tahoe Tweezer on the table.

Brian (79:29)

We left the Tahoe Tweezer on the table. We left the Minneapolis Bowie on the table. We left the Big Cypress, Ruby Way or Roses are Free. Excuse me. We left the it 46 days, which some people say is not a tragedy. I. I would take it. We've also closed out 30 to 34 minutes, 2.0 to 4.0, with the 7 1503. Mr. Completely, the 8303 Ghost, and the 73003 Sense and Subtle Sounds. Not a single 3.0 or 4.0 jam in that list, which I think going through it is probably right. I think that that's a 2003 category right there. And then we've closed 25 to 26 minutes, 1.0 out with the 112297 Haley's 72397 Ghost, and 123097 Bag. All 97 jams. Kind of thematic here, what we're doing. Megan, you have your next pick. This is your seventh pick, right? I think this is your seventh pick.

Megan (80:39)

So I'm totally gonna switch up my plan here because I'm just looking at my list. I'm really happy with my list, by the way. I think it spans all of the kind of eras of fish in a really interesting way. But there's one place I was gonna go in the 40 to 44 category. But I've decided to. I want something from this era and this tour on my. On my list. So I think I'm Gonna pick the 10.31.95. You enjoy myself. Because it's just crazy. And I feel like I have to have a fall. 95 on my list.

Chris (81:21)

Wow.

Brian (81:21)

It's a great pick.

Chris (81:23)

Wow.

Megan (81:23)

Thanks.

Brian (81:25)

The. There's some very inappropriate things yelled during the local jam.

Chris (81:30)

Yeah.

Megan (81:30)

Yes.

Brian (81:32)

It's pretty wild to me that they covered the who. This, like, extremely tight, loud rock band. And then they came out. We're like, we're gonna play a 40 minute. You enjoy myself.

Megan (81:46)

Like they're just.

Brian (81:47)

Come on.

Megan (81:47)

It's so who they are. And I also just feel like, this list wouldn't make sense to me if I didn't have one fall 95 jam on it. So that was my strategy.

Brian (81:57)

That's a good point.

Chris (81:58)

One of my predictions for this draft was going to be, no, you enjoy myself, gets drafted.

Megan (82:03)

It was. This was a really late call. I'm going to tell you this. This was farther down on my list. But, like, I wanted the Greek tweezer, and then I wanted the Bozeman tweezer, and then I was debating between the Bleezer, like, or this. And then there's the 7, 27, 24 simple. But. But I feel like I love the fleezer, but I feel like this yam is so wild and it's kind of fun to have something totally different and crazy. And from fall 95 on here, that's a good pick.

Brian (82:38)

I dig it. I dig it. I think it's a great pick. So I have two picks left. These are my final two picks. And I am just reviewing my list thus far and I think, you know, no prep Brinkman. I did not prepare for this. I. I just came into this kind of excited to chat and hang with you guys. And then Meg was like, oh, you didn't prepare Here. I'm going to take your favorite jam of all time. But I think my strategy.

Megan (83:09)

Can I just say something? Okay. So a couple weeks ago, I was saying that I had a lot going on and I was, like, trying to figure out how I was going to do this. And you said to me, just don't try to win the draft.

Chris (83:19)

It's true.

Megan (83:20)

And I didn't know if that was some sort of, like, RJ heard it, if that was some sort of, like, fucked up, like, mental strategy to try to, like, convince me not to prepare or to make me prepare harder or to get in my head about it. It kind of worked. But I just. I don't know. I'm impressed that you can all do this with no prep. And I love that about you both, but I have to prep to lose still. Even.

Chris (83:48)

I don't think so.

Megan (83:49)

Go there.

Brian (83:50)

That's a great way to put. All right, so I'm gonna go to the 30 to 34 minute category. You both have picked incredible gems here. I think that when all's told, this is going to be our strongest category. Unless some things change here. Just amazing. Two back to back jams. I am between two jams. One I think will get the satisfaction of the fan base. So I'm going to go with the opposite and I'm going to go Brian Brinkman core here.

Megan (84:28)

Nice.

Brian (84:29)

I am going to go with the 914, 2000, one year after bag Drowned, which is about as weird and abstract and bizarre and mind blowing and difficult of a jam that Fish played post summer 95 for Christmas 2001, I got the entire live fish one through six, you know, box set, plus the CD thing that you, you know, the buy the Trapper keeper that you used to carry around. And for the whole winter break, I just was listening to Fish, which is, you know, very different from what I do now 20 plus years later. And I remember listening to this jam and being like, wow, this band is way more intense than I gave them credit for. Like they've. Everything I've heard to this point is really fun and exciting and wild, but like this is some really weird it. And it has driven me down a path to ever weirder music that I just. I can't get enough of. So. 9 14, 2000 drowned. Love it or hate it, but I'm here for it.

Megan (85:44)

It's in a quintessential Brian Brinkman. Brian Weird Brinkman jam. Great.

Brian (85:50)

That's it. That's it.

Chris (85:52)

Yep. All right, Brian.

Brian (85:54)

More. I have one more pick.

Chris (85:55)

This is it for you.

Brian (85:56)

This is it. And this is the hardest category to pick from now because this has the most quality jams in it.

Megan (86:04)

Yeah, there's so many.

Brian (86:06)

I'm just gonna list some of the gems that I could pick here.

Megan (86:12)

It's not. It's not an episode of HF Pod if Brian doesn't get to do a list of jams. Hit it.

Brian (86:18)

8, 6, 21 Blaze on 7, 13, 14, Choctaws. 11, 22, 94, 7397 Ghost. 9, 12, 99 Ghost. 12, 799 Haley's 4, 398 Roses. 10, 20, 21 Ruby 22803 Tweezer. 5, 26, 11. Yes, it counts Waves. 11, 23, 85 Whipping Post. And 11, 7, 96 Yem. The groove is in the heart. Yam. I know that the chat here is going to reward me if I pick the Nassau Tweezer or the Nassau Roses. They're going to love it, but I'm going to go with a deep cut here. Bucket.

Megan (87:01)

Bucket it. Do it, Brian.

Brian (87:04)

Although I'm having reservations right now because this other jam really moved me in our fall 94 section. So I'm between two. All right, I'm gonna throw them out to you guys. Okay? You guys have already picked in this category.

Megan (87:13)

Yeah. Let's hear it.

Brian (87:15)

I am between the 112385 whipping post, which I think is the most important fish jam that has ever been played. It's the reason my Mike Gordon is still in fish. And the 112294 funky.

Megan (87:31)

Oh. Oh. That jam. That jam. That funky.

Brian (87:36)

What would you guys pick if you. If you were doing it?

Megan (87:38)

Okay, I have two things to say. First of all, I was with Ryan Storm this weekend and we were talking about the draft, and he's like, you know, Brinkman's gonna choose like a whipping post from, like the 80s. So I just want to say.

Brian (87:50)

Good.

Megan (87:51)

Ryan knew it. Second of all, that funky pitch is just like that. Like, that moved me so much when we heard that for falling. Yeah, I don't know that, like, whoa.

Chris (88:05)

Same. That's not what I would pick in this category if I had a second pick, but I think.

Brian (88:09)

What would be your second pick?

Megan (88:10)

Me neither.

Chris (88:11)

Probably the. Probably the Tweezer Nassau Tweezer. That move in there is just. It's. It's almost. It's almost perfect.

Brian (88:20)

Yeah, it's. It's. It's perfect. It's amazing. Meg, what would you pick if you had another pick?

Megan (88:26)

The Bethel Waves.

Brian (88:28)

Oh, my God.

Megan (88:29)

I just think it's pure magic. It's one of my all time favorite pieces of music they've ever made and something that I return to more than most fish jams.

Brian (88:39)

Do you want to play a jam here song?

Megan (88:42)

I do.

Brian (88:44)

Do you want to play waves? I do.

Chris (88:51)

I mean, I. Nobody cares about the whipping post. I'm sorry.

Brian (88:55)

I don't know what you're talking about. Have you ever listened to it?

Megan (88:57)

Yeah, of course.

Brian (88:58)

One of the most. It's literally one of the most important gems. It's the. It's off.

Megan (89:06)

Choose it. Choose it. I'm just kidding.

Brian (89:11)

I don't know what to do.

Megan (89:12)

This is where we're going to see if Brian's, like, being. If he wants to be, like, oppositional and just, like, do it just to, like. Because nobody wants him to. To pick the whipping post.

Brian (89:28)

All right, I am ready to make my pick. Are you guys ready?

Megan (89:34)

We're just on pins and needles over here.

Brian (89:40)

I am gonna. God, I'm gonna regret this, right? Yeah. You know what? Well, I already have a jam from that door. Sorry, rj. I know you got to go and do, like, actual things. It. I gotta stand up for what I believe in.

Chris (90:04)

You do.

Brian (90:05)

Do it going with the whipping post.

Chris (90:09)

Oh, my God. So classic.

Megan (90:12)

This is so classic.

Brian (90:13)

You all can give me out there for picking just like an indie rock Jam. But I guarantee if you go and listen to it. Chris. Chris is so pissed.

Chris (90:27)

So mad at us.

Megan (90:29)

Okay, I have to read this quote. He's like. Like one of the most important in quotes. How we ended up with summer 93 in the top five tours and summer 2017 as high as it was. Yes, I. First of all, I'm so here for this trolling, but I totally support that logic. But yes, he's right. It is. It is.

Chris (90:45)

It's very true.

Brian (90:46)

We got those right?

Megan (90:47)

Brian likes history. Do you guys know that? Brian likes history. And he really likes context.

Brian (90:52)

It's really important. Jesus Christ.

Megan (90:57)

Oh, my God.

Brian (90:59)

If you. If you question why I picked that, go and listen to it. There is some that happens in the middle there that pre. Like, it showcases everything this band's about to do. And it convinced Mike Gordon to abandon engineering in favor of music. Okay, come on.

Megan (91:17)

Come on.

Brian (91:20)

I think I lost when Megan took the 91499 HTC bag. So she threw me off completely. I have not been the same ever since.

Megan (91:29)

I can't blood.

Chris (91:32)

Megan.

Brian (91:33)

Yeah, Megan, you got your last pick.

Chris (91:34)

You got to close us out.

Megan (91:36)

Well, I'm going with my heart here. I'm going with my. One of my favorite moments I've ever experienced in my entire FISH career. And it's the Woodlands Jam. And I don't care if it didn't come off a song. It's fucking amazing and it's beautiful piece of music and so I want it and I don't care.

Chris (91:52)

Oh, my God. So great.

Megan (91:54)

Are we coming? So, like, is this so what you expected, RJ? Yeah, like, I am the woodlands jam and 1230, 19, like, it's just.

Brian (92:02)

Isn't it? So I am without a song. Still a song itself.

Megan (92:05)

Thank you.

Chris (92:06)

I bet. I bet, like, I bet if you got 4bin 777 incredible perp and this guy Chris, who's one of my favorites already, and Ryan storm in a room and said predict what each of them will pick in each of these categories. It probably would look pretty similar to what we have.

Megan (92:20)

Totally. Yeah. I think that between that the three of them, maybe four.

Brian (92:26)

That just means our listeners know us and that they listen to us and they should give us five star reviews.

Megan (92:32)

Yeah, we got a few this week. Didn't we get some reviews this weekend? Really awesome.

Brian (92:36)

Thank you.

Megan (92:37)

Whoever did that.

Chris (92:38)

Yeah, yeah. Really wonderful.

Brian (92:40)

All right, rj, you're on the clock. You got one more pick.

Megan (92:42)

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Chris (92:42)

Yep. Okay, so. Oh, where shall I start? No, I'm just kidding. I'm I'm between two. The one I'm. The one I'm. I want to pick is for pure symbolism, which is the away we go hand gesture from Trey at the beginning of the jam, which just. I mean, come on. Like. Like you're going to actually do that in real life where you're like, we're. Let's just fucking go. I mean, it's amazing.

Megan (93:16)

Yeah.

Chris (93:18)

So that's one of them. That's the. That's the 7. 31. 21 Choctaws. Torture. Yeah, go ahead. Brian. What are you.

Brian (93:26)

Is that. Is that what you're picking, or.

Chris (93:28)

No, no, I'm still. I'm just. I'm trying to prolong this a little bit.

Brian (93:32)

Yeah. Or.

Chris (93:33)

Brian, should we go to Art House Fish? Oh, the summer. The summer of. The summer of Art House Fuegos, which I think is. Yeah, there's like. There's some. I mean, that's 7, 8, 14. Fuego. Not gonna win me points, I don't think, in the. In the popular vote, but. But maybe in the electoral college, you.

Megan (93:56)

Know, you can sneak by a win with that. It's a good. That's a great jam.

Chris (94:01)

I might win Rhode island with that. All right. And then there. And then there's the crowning moment, the triple peak simple from the Baker's Dozen. One of the only jams I've ever heard that has three peaks.

Megan (94:19)

Yeah.

Chris (94:20)

Brian, you look skeptical.

Brian (94:23)

If you want to pick multiple Baker's Dozen jams, be my guest.

Chris (94:29)

Should pick a 93. 93 lizards. All right.

Brian (94:33)

Right.

Chris (94:35)

You know, I think that. I think that early 2. Early 2.0.

Brian (94:40)

That's a.

Chris (94:43)

Early 3.0. Is not represented at all in my. In my pick. So I'm gonna. I'm gonna. I'm gonna go with the 7, 8, 14 fuego to close it out.

Megan (94:52)

I like it.

Chris (94:53)

I think that's when we. That's when we knew that Fish had more to do. Like that.

Brian (94:58)

That tour. 7, 18, 7, 8, 14.

Chris (95:01)

Yep.

Brian (95:02)

Fuego. Yeah, that, man. Fuego is very nice. I think that's a good pick. Yeah, it's a great jam. It's better than picking the simple. I'll tell you what.

Megan (95:17)

Why'd you talk him out of it, Brian? You should have just let him pick it.

Brian (95:20)

Well, I. I think that there were. I think that there were better jams to pick in this category, but I understand the rationale here, and I think he's right. That tour is. There's a. There's a. There's not a ton of long, long jams on that tour, but you got a couple up front and that fuego is one of them. And it was this realization that new songs can lead to jams, which is basically the norm now. And I think without fuego emerging, without light emerging, we would not have gotten that. So it's a great pick. That's really good stuff.

Chris (95:56)

I just want you guys to know in that category. Brian, I left my favorite. I left my top pick on the table in that category. I changed my mind at the last minute.

Megan (96:04)

What was it?

Chris (96:05)

8115 tweezer. Because. Because I think that the Kill Devil Falls from the day before, which I was shocked, did not make a list. Is. Is much better. But anyway, sorry to interrupt.

Brian (96:21)

You know, you and I, we've been friends for over a decade now. We've been podcasting together for all. For over a decade. We tend to not see eye to eye on music a lot of the time, which is one of the things I love about you because it just leads to better conversations, which usually leads to you being like, yeah, it was just good. So, you know, whatever. And then I overthought something and over explained it. But. But the fact that you like the 8, 115 Tweezer as much as I do it, it really just showcases that there's. There's something there. All right, I'm going to recap it for us here. Okay.

Chris (97:00)

Yep.

Brian (97:01)

So, RJ, I'm not going to name the categories because RJ went with the 112297 Haleys, the 7814 Fuego, the 72517 Lawn Boy, the 122994 Bowie, the 7152003 Mr. Completely, the 7142019 Ruby Waves, the 41723 Tweezer and the 11 29.97 Runaway Gym. It's a very respectable list. Megan went with the 72397 Ghost, the 101721 Set Yourself Free, the 914.99 ACDC Bag, the 6 14, 2000 Twist, the 8303 Ghost, the 12 30, 2019 Attendance Bias Tweezer, the 103195 Yem and the Woodlands Jam and I went with the 123097 Bag, the 729.03 Cross Side, the 112385 Whipping Post, come at me.

Megan (98:24)

I love it.

Brian (98:25)

The 9 14, 2000 Drowned, the 732,003 Sense and Subtle Sounds, the 22324 Chalk Dust Torture, the 112894 Tweezer and the Tower Jam. I feel pretty good about things at this point. It's been a battle, but I feel pretty good about my overall list. I hope you guys do as well.

Megan (98:47)

Yeah, I have all but two that were on my ideal list.

Brian (98:52)

What were the two that you would have liked?

Megan (98:54)

The 123097 bag and the Greek Tweezer. I think if I had had those two, then my list would be absolutely perfect. But I feel really happy with my list. It's got. Got some summer 97, some fall 21, some fall 99, summer 2000. It's got a summer oh, three. We've got a late 3.0 Rockstar Jam. We've got a fall 95, and one of the best long jams they've ever played. So I feel really good about my. My list.

Brian (99:24)

How do you feel, rj?

Chris (99:25)

I feel great, as always. You know, I feel like I. I did. I did. I. I did my best. I think I. I lost a couple early that I wanted, and, you know, that's how it goes. It's not. It's not your list, you know, it's a. It's a list that develops, you know, it. The list. The list develops you. You know what I mean?

Megan (99:46)

Not really, but it's a good way to Yoda.

Brian (99:49)

It's a good way to Yoda. It. I like that.

Chris (99:51)

I'm just saying if we. If we just picked from the list without us all be having the discussion, then, you know, know, then we'd be. It's different once things start coming off the table, that's when you know, you know, that's when you know you got to make adjustments. And I think we all. I think we all did a good job. I really do.

Brian (100:09)

You never know until you. Someone makes their pick how you're gonna feel. And I didn't know that going in. I felt great going into this episode and then certain someone threw me off, so.

Chris (100:21)

Yeah, exactly.

Megan (100:23)

Bad. I feel bad, but I will say that can't feel bad.

Chris (100:27)

Megan.

Megan (100:28)

Part of it, you got. You got to do what you got to do in the drafts. Brian, you set this up. You like competition? You know, I don't know if you guys knew that I was super competitive when we decided to do drafts, but it's so fun for me to get to compete. We get to compete so rarely in life now.

Chris (100:42)

I know it's fun.

Brian (100:44)

This is true. We live in a participatory economy. We don't get to really compete and slaughter each other on live television the way that we would like. I agree with you.

Chris (100:53)

Okay. So, Megan, we are going to post some kind of poll, right?

Megan (100:58)

Yeah, I'll post a poll. And I think these. I just want to say, I think these lists are hilarious because if you covered up whose list they were, everybody would know who they. Whose they were.

Chris (101:06)

I think that's right.

Megan (101:08)

Right. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, we'll post them on socials and everybody can vote and let us know who won this draft because we want to know what people think.

Brian (101:17)

I just want to shout out, Chris, who's been in the chat all episode, please come back. You. You like? Yeah. He suggested that we do a gags draft, a narrations draft, a banter draft, a world record attempt draft, a hand gesture draft, and a Goofs draft. I think that there's. There's something in there for a full draft of non musical performance fish that we will have to draft at some point.

Megan (101:48)

That would be interesting. Yeah, yeah.

Brian (101:50)

Like the non musical elements that make a fish show a fish show.

Megan (101:53)

Like the banter.

Brian (101:54)

Yeah, I'm gonna figure that out and we're gonna do that at some point here in. In 2025. We'll be back. We'll be doing more drafts. These are fun, and they bring out the best in us. And the worst Segway draft. I'm into that.

Megan (102:10)

Oh, that would be massive. We'd have to really categorize that one down.

Brian (102:15)

But by Segways.

Chris (102:19)

Sorry, that's a bad segue.

Brian (102:23)

But first.

Megan (102:24)

Will not be in the draft.

Chris (102:26)

But first, guys, we have fall 97 coming at you next week.

Megan (102:30)

Yes. Yes. Fall 97.

Chris (102:34)

You guys ready for it?

Brian (102:36)

Number two tour of all time.

Chris (102:38)

We're into something.

Megan (102:39)

No, I haven't even started. It's obvious you've been starting RJ since you picked so many for the draft.

Chris (102:44)

Well, it's. I live. I live in fall 97. It's like where my. It's. It's where my heart lives, you know, for better or worse.

Megan (102:51)

It's so good.

Brian (102:52)

I already previewed some of my hot takes and I got. I got a couple more, so.

Chris (102:57)

Great.

Megan (102:58)

Can't wait.

Brian (102:59)

Great, great, great.

Chris (103:01)

Can't wait for your hot takes. About the second best tour of all time and how bad it is.

Megan (103:05)

I know, know. I know. And how spring 93 is better.

Brian (103:08)

Don't worry. I'll warm up the take before I actually deliver it.

Chris (103:12)

So spring 88 should have been up there. All right. Thank you, guys.

Megan (103:15)

That whipping post, man.

Chris (103:18)

Thank you guys for tuning in. This is a lot of fun. See you guys next week.

Megan (103:21)

Thanks, everybody.

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