Dick's Draft

Summary

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Helping Friendly Podcast – "Dick’s Draft" (August 27, 2025)

Podcast: Helping Friendly Podcast
Episode Title: Dick’s Draft
Release Date: August 27, 2025
Hosts: RJ, Megan, Brian (Osiris Media)

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Episode Overview

This episode is a spirited, in-depth draft-style competition among the hosts, focusing on the most celebrated Phish shows from Dick’s Sporting Goods Park in Colorado. Since the band is not playing Dick’s this year, the HFPod crew takes a nostalgic, analytical, and very fan-driven trip through over a decade of Dick’s shows—evaluating legendary performances, signature jams, venue vibes, fan traditions, and the evolving musical highlights. Along the way, the episode delivers banter-rich personal stories, serious Phish nerdery, running jokes, and plenty of community inside references, all wrapped in the friendly rivalry of building the "ultimate" Dick’s run.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Allure of Dick’s Sporting Goods Park for Phish

• Brian provides a deep-dive on why Dick’s is so revered:
  • “Fish took a huge risk in 2011 … and then they played there and you could see it from the webcast … the vibes were sky high … over the course of the last 14 years ... even when it hasn’t been great ... the vibes have been sky high because it’s always ended the summer tour.” (07:51)
  • The tradition and atmosphere are likened to MSG’s New Year’s Run in NYC in fan culture and predictability.
• Megan highlights how Dick’s “always ruins my great vibes over the summer tour because I’m always thinking...then they go out at Dick’s and play these killer shows.” (08:34)
• The hosts agree: it’s “so famous for how big the lot is and how dusty it is … all my friends who go always just have the best time.” (08:34)

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2. Myth vs. Reality: Are Dick’s Shows Overrated?

[13:18–17:00]

• RJ raises the statistical question:

  “What do you guys think the mean fish.net rating is for Dick’s?”

  • Megan: “I would say it’s probably like 4.2.”
  • Brian: “I’ll go 3.9 because there are some clunkers.”
  • Correct answer: 4.2.
• RJ challenges the consensus:

  “Is it a slightly overrated set of shows overall? Because the vibes and the celebratory nature... or does 4.2 out of 5 represent the whole music of Dick’s to you?” (13:48)

• Brian’s nuanced take:

  “There are runs where, on a certain night, the stars completely align ... and the very next night, you’re like, who is this band and do they even know what stage they’re walking on?”
  “There was a time in the mid-2010s where the conversation was: you go to Dick’s for the party, not the music. I think that has changed in recent years.” (14:31)

• Megan’s defense:

  “I listened to 29 hours of Dick’s highlights … there’s so much unbelievable music ... almost hard to rank.” (15:54)

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3. Draft Format & Rules

• Each host drafts:
  • One show from each night: Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday
  • A 3.0 wild card show (2009–2020)
  • A 4.0 wild card show (2021–present)
  • A Jam wild card (single jam from any show)
• The order is randomized; Megan gets the first pick.

  “I woke up this morning at 4:28 in a cold sweat freaking out about this draft.” – Megan (21:37)

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4. Draft Highlights: The Picks, The Drama, and The Banter

Notable Early Picks

• Megan (First Overall):
  • 8/31/2012 – "Fuck Your Face" show (“I think it’s the best show they’ve ever played at Dick’s.” 21:37)
• Brian:
  • 9/4/2016 – “Very, very solid … kicks off a run from here through MSG 18 that was unparalleled in the 3.0 era.” (25:36)
• RJ:
  • 9/1/2012 – “It’s the best Saturday show they played there.” (28:46)

Legendary Jams Recognized

• Jam Wild Cards:
  • RJ: 8/31/2013 Chalk Dust Torture (“This jam is everything, multi-section, Fishman amazing... kicked off an epic run of Chalk Dusts at Dick’s.” 31:06)
  • Megan: 9/1/2012 Light (“It’s perfect ... any point in this jam sounds like they’re playing a song, completely composed.” 94:28)
  • Brian: 8/31/2012 Undermind (“Wood block that Fishman starts, Trey responds … the tone … the peak … then walk off—closest I ever came to a World Series win as a Cubs fan.” 96:43)

Sentimental & Fan-Favorite Picks

• RJ uses strategy for the “Thank You” show (9/6/15):

  “Fish thanks their fans, and everyone’s like, oh my God, that was the best day of my life.” (81:37)

• Megan highlights 9/4/2011 for including "the first maze opener in over 500 shows … Piper is one of my favorite jams from Dick’s.” (67:46)

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5. Meta Commentary & Listener Participation

• Experiences at Dick’s: Personal stories pepper many picks (Brian’s 100th show, kids’ first shows, big emotional moments after Curveball was canceled, etc.).
• Debate over recency bias, rating inflation, venue traditions.
• Invitations to listeners:
  • Vote on the best Ghost on osirispod.com/rushmore (“This is going to be the most controversial Rushmore so far for sure. Because there’s at least 10 … that could be.” – RJ, 11:44)
  • New contest: “Send us your reworked intro to ‘Kill Devil Falls’ and we’ll get it into the right hands… You’ll get swag, a trip, whatever!” (19:30)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the first Dick’s show (the “S show”):
  • Brian: “It looked like a dead show from the 80s … this massive field … flags and poles and all this sort of stuff … over the last 14 years… you can set your watch to it.” (07:51)
• On the specialness of the Dick’s tradition:
  • Megan: "It’s like the end of summer ... it’s always just a fun tradition.” (08:34)
• On the Light from 9/1/12:
  • Megan: “It’s perfect. Any point in this jam, you could just stop, and it sounds like they’re playing a song … like, it sounds completely composed. And the peak is amazing.” (94:28)
• On the “Undermind” jam:
  • Brian: “Wood block that Fishman starts … shimmering chords and the white lights … took his guitar off, and I pulled out my phone to text 1,600 people how it was the greatest set of my life.” (96:43)
• On rating bias and fan memory:
  • Brian: “There’s recency bias in ratings on fish.net overall... mid-2010s, you went to Dick’s for the party, not necessarily the music.” (14:31)

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Timestamped Breakdown

• 07:51 – Brian recounts the first Dick’s and the venue traditions.
• 13:18–17:00 – Debate about fish.net ratings, recency bias, and whether Dick’s is overrated musically.
• 21:37 – The draft begins. Megan takes first pick, the “Fuck Your Face” show (2012).
• 25:36–30:00 – Early picks and rationale, Brian and RJ’s selection drama.
• 31:06 – RJ claims the 8/31/13 Chalk Dust as jam wild card and details why.
• 46:07 – Strategic discussions about Thursday shows (generally weakest category).
• 67:46 – Megan chooses 9/4/11 as her Sunday show; discussion of sentimental value.
• 81:37 – RJ nabs the 9/6/15 “Thank You” show, and the hosts discuss why it’s so beloved.
• 94:28 – Megan’s passionate defense of the 9/1/12 Light jam.
• 96:43 – Brian’s emotional recounting of the 8/31/12 Undermind.

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Recurring Themes & Running Jokes

• Vibe vs. Music: The tension between Dick’s as a place of unparalleled vibes versus an always musically outstanding venue.
• “Vibe Show” vs. “Strategic Pick”: Ongoing debate about the value of sentimental or “vibe” shows in a data-proven, draft-style format; playful criticism among the hosts.
• Draft Rules Confusion: Frequent, good-natured confusion and meta-commentary about snake draft order, draft strategy, and past draft regrets.
• Listener Engagement: Joking about “illegitimate votes,” voting methods, and social media strategy (“all the votes are going to be at osirispod.com/draft, because I don’t want to hear any nonsense about illegitimate wins.” – Megan, 106:36).
• Personal Phish Lore: Brian and others intersperse records of personal Phish milestones, missed shows, and generational/parental joy at taking kids to Dick’s.

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How to Participate

• Vote on the Ghost Rushmore:
  osirispod.com/rushmore

• Vote for your favorite Dick’s Draft collection:
  osirispod.com/draft

• Submit a reworked intro for Kill Devil Falls:
  osirispod.com/contact

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In Summary

“Dick’s Draft” is a Phish fan’s dream episode: It’s part stats, part personal history, all friendly competition, and absolutely loaded with inside jokes, lore, and cultural touchstones from 14 years of Dick’s runs. The hosts challenge each other on what makes a show truly “great,” celebrate the wildest jams, and invite fans to join in the ongoing dialogue that has defined HFPod. The episode’s structure, banter, and genuine love for the music and community make it a highlight for both casual and diehard fans of Phish and “the lot.”

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“It’s all about camaraderie and friendship and fun…that’s what’s really driving us here at HFPod.” – RJ (107:33)

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Transcript

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[B]

Hello.

[A]

Hey.

[C]

We got one word answers today because we gotta get started fast because we have. We have to celebrate. We have to celebrate dicks by. But the show's not at Dick's, so we're gonna celebrate dicks in the in absentia of shows. So wait.

[A]

But you know what, rj, I meant to tell you that I got a couple messages saying that they were a little sad that we rushed through our banter last episode. They're like, we just hope you're going to keep the Banter part of HFPod because we love it. So I'm just, I'm just saying that, you know, I appreciate that people are voicing that.

[C]

Yeah, I was, I was going to say we weren't doing banter before I started talking to Brian about baseball and then like how long we go. But. But I. But how's everybody doing?

[B]

Do you see the schedule for next year?

[C]

I haven't looked in detail. I just got an email about it.

[B]

Cubs are going to be in Colorado in early June next year. Everything is changing. The whole schedule, the whole world is changing right now. I don't know what to make of it all.

[C]

That's exciting. Pretty cool, though.

[B]

Yeah, it'll be nice. Nice time of year. And I promised Wally last night that he won't have any camps that week. I will take those three days off because it's in the middle of the week and we're gonna go to each game.

[A]

Oh, that's awesome.

[B]

We're going this weekend. First time seeing these, these cubbies in a while. It'd be good.

[C]

Yeah, that's awesome. Yeah, because when's the last time you saw a game?

[B]

I guess last year when they were out here. But they were the last three or four or five, six. I don't know, seven times I've seen them. They've lost in Colorado.

[A]

Well, I saw them lose last week, but I have to say, it was, like, unbelievable. Going to Wrigley, like, it was just amazing. Like, walking in there, the vibes were incredible. And my daughter said to me, she's been a Yankee Stadium twice, and she said, I've never been to a completely full stadium before. And she was taking all these pictures of everybody in the blue, and we got Cubs hats and we had Chicago Dogs, and the weather was like 78 and sunny, and we got to dance and sing to all the walk on music. It was really. It was really awesome. It was such a special place. I'm really glad I got to go.

[B]

Truly an organization that used to be all about the vibe of the venue and nothing else. Things have changed, but that used to be what we were.

[C]

Yeah, I mean, I think that, you know, in some ways, this is a vibe. This is a vibe episode. There's a lot of vibes here. A lot of vibes at Dick's.

[A]

Yeah. So many vibes at Dicks.

[C]

I think, Brian. I think going a year without seeing your favorite baseball team is a long time.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I feel it. I'm excited to see him. I'm thinking about going Friday night. I found some really nice seats in the outfield. Wallace wants to see Pete Crowe Armstrong up close. So I think we're going to go Friday as well. TBD on that, but, yeah, it'll be great to see them. And hopefully they pull out a win. We lost last night. San Francisco. I really hate when my team plays in San Francisco because it comes on so, so late, even though that stadium rules. We swept the sea the series this weekend in Anaheim. You know, I saw you guys blew a late lead against the Mets last night. This is that time of year where, like, does it matter? Yes, these games do matter, you know, big time.

[C]

I'm so pissed off because this reminds me of last season when, like, the Phillies are awesome until they play the Mets. And the Mets again. They win two in a row. The Mets have lost, like, they're like 1 in 30 in the last 31 games or something. And then they beat the Phillies twice in a row, and you're just like, what are we. What are we doing?

[A]

Sounds very annoying.

[B]

I. I cannot imagine being a Phillies player or a Braves player going Into Queensland. I just. It sounds horrible. You know, we, we don't like brewers fans, we don't like Cardinals fans. But like we're at least respectable to them. I don't think that anyone from Queens is respectable to anyone from Philadelphia or Atlanta. I just, it's too, too, too insane.

[C]

And everyone from Philly is rude to everyone. So, you know, we're not, we can't really, can't really talk about that. But we are celebrating.

[A]

I could say that's true. After being at the shakedown at the man, I 100% agree with that.

[C]

And people were surprised that like shakedown and a Fish show in Philly was weird.

[A]

You know, I was a little overwhelmed. It was not the place to take my 15 year old daughter. But it's okay.

[C]

So if you guys don't know, Brian lives in Colorado, which is where Dick's Sporting Goods park is. So once we start the draft, actually what this draft is is it's just a venue for Brian to talk about every single Dick's show and his experience at them to get mad at us for any show we pick because they are all important to him. So that's the layout of the show. This is a Brian episode. And it's for Brian to talk about Dick's Sporting Goods Park.

[A]

Hell yeah.

[C]

Is that fair, Brian?

[B]

I mean, I'll take it to a certain degree. I think that Dick's Dicks is part of the fan base, you know, Totally. Fish took a huge risk in 2011. For anyone who was on Fantasy Tour at the time, they might remember a funny little video that appeared after Fish announced that they were playing their end of tour run at Dick's Sporting Goods. First ever Labor Day run that they'd ever played. They seem to be making a big deal out of this. FISHNA soccer stadium. What the hell is going on here? And someone made a video of driving on i76 past all the oil refineries and through the street streets of Commerce City, Colorado that are not nearly as picturesque as most of Colorado with I think Rocky Mountain high plain. And it was kind of a joke that like Fish was taking this weird venue run risk. And why did they care so much? This doesn't matter. And then they played there and you could see it from the webcast. That first show, the S show, the vibes were sky high. It looked like a dead show from the 80s. Just like this massive field and just like people with flags and poles and all this sort of stuff. And you know, over the course of the last 14 years, give or Take a few where they've be it Global Pandemic or choice to play in Boulder, for some reason over the 4th of July, they haven't played there. But the years that they have, even when it hasn't been great, which it hasn't been great in a couple years, I have not told Megan which years it hasn't been great in though. Just hoping that she picks at least one show from those years. I'm sure he will probably. Even in the years that it has been great, the vibes have been sky high because it's always ended. The summer tour. People come out here. I have tons of friends who travel in town for it. It's a very, very fun routine, very fun rhythm of the year. It's on par with, I think at this point only MSG New Year's Eve in terms of you can set your watch to it. But aside from the years that you can't, we'll call these the Miami New Year's ev.

[A]

Yeah, it's always reminded me of MSG and that I'm feeling for you right now because I feel like you're feeling the way that I would feel if they decide not to play msg. So I totally sympathize with how you're feeling now. I mean, I've never been to Dick's, but it's so famous and it has such a lure about survived so many funny things. It's just like the site of the plague. And it's so famous for how big the lot is and how dusty it is. And all my friends that go always just have the best time. And for me, it's like a place that is always ruins my great vibes over the summer tour because I'm always like thinking I saw the Raider shows and then they go out dicks and play like these killer shows that, you know, kind of like burst my bubble. But I love it too. I love, like webcasting it. I can never go because it's far. And it's like I start school, I'm a teacher. And I love like webcasting it. I'm always kind of home, starting those late shows. It kind of feels like the end of summer. And it's. It's always just a fun tradition. So I'll miss webcasting it this year. And can I just say that we have three versions of songs from Dicks already on Mount Rushmore.

[B]

We do. You're absolutely right about that.

[A]

None of them are from you yet, though, Brian. We've Got a Light from me from 2012. We've got a 2017 no Men in no Man's Land from RJ and a Sigma Oasis for me from 2024. Pretty exciting. Already three. I don't know if there's another venue. Well, I guess there's a few. Maybe just one or two other venues that have that many showings on Mount Rushmore. I mean, just Magnolia. What do we have?

[C]

We already have three from the Went, right?

[B]

Yeah, four from the Went and we have two from Cyprus.

[A]

That makes sense.

[B]

I would have to go through and check and see because I'm just looking right now. We've got at least, I think one or two MSG ones, but I'll go through that before our next draft, which is our next Rushmore, which is next week, which is RJ Heart Attack.

[C]

Well, can I just say something about that real quick?

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

About Rushmore. And I do want to say that I said at the beginning that me eating a peanut butter and jelly sandwich while you guys were talking would not interfere with the me talking. And it's really cool.

[A]

I told you it's gonna sound like that. It's like a little. You sound a little, like, throaty, Like a little like.

[C]

Like, you know, basically, like every time Trey starts singing during a show after a jam, I'm like, dude, you can just drink, like, some water. It's totally fine.

[A]

Have some water. It's fine.

[C]

I need to start listening to Ghosts. I do have. I do have an idea of what I would pick. I maybe said this last time. I think I'd, like, know if I had to do it right now. I know what I would pick as my. As my four. But I'm interested to see if that changes after a listen. And I want everyone out there to vote so that we can have like a huge, huge weigh in from the. From the. The team out there. Because this is going to be the most controversial Rushmore so far for sure. Because there's at least 10, probably just looking at the list that could be. Maybe more.

[A]

This is a hard one, I think.

[B]

So this is right there with the disease one we did back in the spring, in the sense that my honorable mentions list is offensively large and there's nothing that you're going to do about it because some of these are just going to be in there. Yeah, it's a really enjoyable one because Ghost can kind of do a couple different things. And then there's these random versions that does none of the things you expect it to do. And even when it does the. It has the move that you Know where Ghost is going to go? It's still really satisfying.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Yeah. I'm excited to get into it. So go to osirispod.com rushmore to vote. Okay. So do you guys. We were talking about. I was doing some math today in school and we were talking about the mean. And I want to know. And by the way, Forbin777 says that the RJ Beehive thrives on controversy. There's no scenario where we. Where I don't get told that I made the wrong choice. So, you know, that's just like, I'm already ready for it. It's fine. Keep it. Keep it coming. Okay, so go to osirispot.com rushmore to vote. We do have a bunch of people who've already voted, but we want you to vote so that we can, you know, we can see where the community really lands on this. We were talking about math earlier and finding the mean. And I was thinking today. I'll tell you the premise of my question in a minute, but what do you guys think the mean fish.net rating is for dicks?

[B]

Oh, for all the dick shows.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

I have a guess. Just because I've looked at a lot of them. I would say it's probably like 4.2.

[B]

That's funny. That's exactly what I was gonna pick.

[C]

It.

[B]

Interesting. I'll go. I'll go 3.9 because there are some. There are some clunkers.

[C]

But you should have just gone 4.2 because that was the right answer.

[A]

Oh, my God. Hell, yes. Wow. I did my research. Can you tell?

[C]

So the reason that I brought it up is. And this is going to be controversial, but, you know, that's what we do. That's what I do, at least. Do you guys think it maybe is a slight. Is a slightly overrated set of shows overall? Because the vibes and the celebratory nature and the tradition and the gags and the. Everything that's happened at Dick's. Or do you think that it's like, does 4.2 out of 5 represent the whole music of Dicks to you?

[B]

This is like when the Onion wrote an article that Pitchfork rates music like 7.6, just like in general.

[A]

Exactly.

[B]

I think you're right. I mean, I've seen every show there since 2017 plus 2012. And there are. We may. We may have to get into it at some point in time. There are a couple runs where, like, you really have to dig for the highlights. There's one. Well, two in particular. I went to that, I was like, this is. This does not feel like what this venue is. There are runs I've been to. I won't say them yet, but there are runs I've been through where, like, on a certain night, the stars completely align and you're like, this is what it feels like to be at Dick's Sporting Goods over Labor Day. And then the very next night, you're like, who is this band? And do they even know what stage they're walking out on right now? So there's definitely some ups and downs. I don't think you're wrong at all. That's why I kind of adjusted it down to 3.9. Because there was a time in the mid-2010s where the conversation around Dick's was, you go to Dick's for the party, not necessarily for the music. I think that that has changed in recent years, in particular, based on how they've approached it. But, no, I don't think that's unfair at all.

[A]

I think it's a pretty accurate rating. I think what I noticed when I was looking at them is that they tend to get higher and higher the closer it is to recent days. So I do think there's a recency bias in ratings on fish.net overall, and I think that these are rated really high, some of these. But listening back, I listened to 29 hours of Dick's Highlights, which I don't even know how I did that, but I did. And there's so much just unbelievable music that comes out of Dick's. Like, absolutely unbelievable jams that are almost hard to rank because they are all so interesting and good. And what's cool about Dicks is that they were playing really great music in Dix in early 3.0. And that's actually amazing. And to me, it really stands out in that way. And it was really fun. For me, that's definitely a weak point of my listening. That was when I was kind of tuned out. And so it was really fun to go back and listen to all of that stuff again with a closer ear and realize how great the band sounds. Some of these shows in early 3.0, so I think 4.2 is super accurate, actually. What do you think?

[C]

All right. I think it's a little. I think it's a little high. I think it's a little high. I think there's. I mean, there's not a single show ranked lower than a 3, which I think is probably accurate. But I think there are some shows, I guess I agree with what Brian said rain show. There's the rain. There's like the. The one set show. Is my. Maybe the lowest. Yeah, the rain show. Yeah.

[A]

I mean, I think there's no nine or something. Right? Like, it's still. It's still above three. Yeah, there's.

[C]

There some.

[B]

According to who. Who had. Who ate the rest of their LSD that night?

[C]

Boom.

[B]

5, 5, 5, 5.

[A]

Totally.

[C]

I think there. I think there are a few that are ranked like 4.5 that I'm like.

[A]

There's a lot of really high ranked shows.

[C]

I think there are a couple that feel like a stretch, but we're going to get into it because we're drafting them. So we'll see who. See who chooses those overrated shows in just a second. Once we start.

[A]

Totally be me. It's so me.

[C]

I also just want to say before we start, last thing. Well, first of all, no. 2 things. Come see us next Thursday. No, Next Friday, the 5th in Philly and watch Reprise recreate 12.29.96 with Tom Tom on the vocals as. As he was at the original. The other thing is, I want to start a petition to read.

[A]

I was at that show, by the way. Sorry.

[C]

Oh, you were?

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Well, you're not going to be at the Reprise.

[A]

I'm sad. I can't. I'm working, so I can't be there. Sorry.

[B]

Finally a 96 show that you can be proud of being at.

[A]

Yeah, exactly. There's not many, actually.

[C]

Yeah, you're not working at night. Megan, come on. Not teaching night school.

[A]

Listen, I've even gone up to Westchester to see Reprise, but it's still like an hour and a half drive. I know you've been like, worried about me heading home from those. You can't send me to Philly on a work night. Come on.

[C]

I know. Well, it's actually. It's a Friday. It doesn't matter. So it depends how you look at it. But anyway, you get a pass. But other people who are listening don't. I also, I would like to start a petition to rework the intro to kill Over Falls. So if anyone. If anyone wants to like, create a, you know, however you do that, is it still change.org or something? We gotta. We gotta get. We gotta draft.

[B]

I don't think they have the funding anymore.

[C]

They don't. I guess that's probably outlawed at this point.

[B]

No, but this is a great idea for listener participation. Come on, people out there. I don't want to steal your thunder. You go, you announce a new contest.

[C]

What would it sound like if it was reworked.

[B]

Yes. Send us your reworked intro to Kill Devil Falls and we will get it into the right hands. That's all that we can guarantee.

[A]

How cool would that be?

[B]

And whoever sends us the best one will vote on it. Everybody out there will vote. We will talk about it. We'll have a Kill Devil Falls intro episode. It'll be a celebratory thing and you'll get a bunch of swag. You know, we'll fly you out to a private island where you get to hang out with us and we get to listen to Kill Devil Falls jams on repeat. Like, it's going to be awesome stuff, guys.

[A]

Oh, my God. This is so cool. We're just like, this is new. This is just happening live. This is thrilling about this.

[B]

Seriously, though, send us your Kill Level Falls reworked intros. I want to hear them.

[C]

I do. I want to hear them, too. That's a really good idea. If Amar is listening, he. He probably would just do it. But. But you know that we need. We need to hear from you, actually. If you. If you really are going to do this, go to osirispod.com contact and send us an email with it and we'll. We'll go from there. It's a good idea. Really good idea. Okay. Also, we want your voicemails. Let's just. We need to go or we're going to keep talking about stuff.

[A]

It's going to take a while, too.

[C]

How do we do it?

[B]

All right. Megan won the last draft. Megan, pick a number between 1 and 6, 2. RJ5. And I'm going to pick three closest without going over. Okay.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Megan's got the first pick.

[C]

Wow.

[B]

And then second pick is going to go to rj. You picked five. Yep, yep, yep. They keep. Okay, it's me. And then RJ gets the turn. I get the worst spot. This is perfect. Dick's draft. Worst spot. All right, Meg, you are up. The show is yours. Take it away. Wow.

[A]

Okay, well, I'm going to get started and just go right away. And I can't believe that I'm getting the first pick. I woke up this morning at 4:28 in a cold sweat freaking out about this draft, but we're in it. Here we go. So I'm picking 8, 3112, the fuck your face show for my first pick because I think it's the best show they've ever played at Dick's.

[C]

It's bad. Bad pick, not a good show. And I'm sorry, I'm Sorry. You have to. You have to live with that. We are. Oh, by the way, we are drafting each. Drafting a Thursday show, a Friday show, a Saturday show.

[A]

Oh, yeah. We should have told them. Thank you, RJ.

[C]

A 3.0 wild card, a 4.0 wild card, and a jam wild card.

[B]

So I don't think we're gonna share. Should we share the. No. Okay, fine. You don't have to do that too much. We'll run through it. We'll run through it. Okay. All right. So Magus picked 8. 31 12.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

Yeah. Yeah, RJ. I guess that's what we're doing. I guess we're playing. Doing this. I thought I was. I thought I was the return.

[B]

Sure. It's my turn then. Okay.

[C]

Cool.

[B]

Awesome. Awesome stuff. That's really cool.

[A]

All right, well, were you at that show, Brian? Just kidding.

[B]

I know you were. What do I do now? It's kind of the big question, you know.

[A]

I know. I'm curious to see what you pick.

[B]

Yeah, this is, you know, imagine me taking 12, 30, 19 tweezer in a draft. That would be. That would be cool, wouldn't it? Okay.

[A]

You know, I don't know how I'm supposed to play these drafts if I'm not supposed to pick the good shows. Like, I'm, like, supposed to just be like, I'll pick the bad shows. I did pick a bad dick show in a draft. It's actually my biggest regret. Not a bad one, but I was scoffed at by both of you, and I realized that's one of my biggest.

[B]

Which one did you pick?

[A]

I don't want to talk about it. I know RJ knows.

[B]

Which one Was it ranked?

[C]

Really highly ranked.

[A]

It's really highly ranked. All right, I'll tell you. I picked the thank you show because I think it's very sentimental and sweet, and you guys are both, like, the what show? The thank you encore.

[B]

Oh, I mean, that's a. That's a nice show.

[A]

And you both were, like. Your faces were, like, horrified, and I've never forgotten it. So it's a vibe show. It's a vibe show for sure.

[B]

Asks, are you allowed to pick a jam wild card from a show you select in Thursday through Sunday? I didn't create this as a. As a. Yeah, there's.

[A]

All right.

[B]

There's nothing to say. You can't. Jams are their own thing. All right, so this is fun. So I'm between two paths right now because this, you know, did a good job of throwing off my entire strategy. Thanks, Meg. So I'm trying to figure out if I should take. You know what? I'm not going to do that. I'm going to take a show that is fantastic. That everybody should know. I don't know if everybody does. I'm going Sunday night and I'm going to 94 16, which ends what would probably be the, at this point, the third best run that the band has ever done at dick's Sunday night. 94 16. Very, very solid. Not crazy, but very solid. First set with an awesome bathtub gin. Second set though. I'm trying to pull this up right now. Sorry, I'm a little bit just kind of torn all over the place right now. It feels like my heart's been ripped out from live telev 9416. Okay, we got a killer cross eyed and painless 18 minutes. Nice segue into steam. Goes into Piper, which does a little drum space thing that's not the greatest, but also was like, hey, it's a 20 minute piper middle of the second set right into an excellent version of light into lizards in first tube. Just outstanding stuff. This, this run kicked off a run of fish from here through MSG 18 that was pretty unparalleled in the 3.0 era. So if you're not familiar with this, I would highly encourage people to go check it out because it is a pretty perfect show from start to finish. So yeah, 9, 4 16, that is my pick Sunday night. RJ, you're up.

[C]

Wow.

[A]

Amazing pick.

[B]

Wow, thanks.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

I was. Never mind. I was gonna tell you what I was gonna do, but then I can't because.

[A]

Because you're doing it.

[C]

I don't think I'm gonna do it. But I might. I might do it. I gotta say, it is to me, it's hard to separate because of the point I made before about the kind of. I think a lot of these shows are ranked where they are because of one or maybe two jams. And I think that that is the same for a lot of shows. But I'm having a hard time discerning between the show itself and the jam that I think makes the show. And we also have Jam Wildcard, so it's, you know.

[A]

Yeah, that makes sense.

[C]

That makes it hard. That makes it hard. I wonder if I can do this. Maybe I should just do it.

[B]

Yeah, probably should still.

[A]

Yeah, just do it.

[B]

There's really nothing else to do now. You know.

[C]

Nothing left to do but smile, smile, smile.

[B]

Brian picking shows that we like, you know.

[C]

Yep.

[A]

Oh my God, I forgot the list.

[C]

Of Brian's favorite shows from Dick's. I know that's most of them except for the one. The one set 20, 23 show, but. So this is hard. It's hard to navigate. I feel like I'm.

[A]

Oh, so you're trying to not picture.

[C]

No, no, no. I was just joking because I. Because then it's all of them.

[B]

It's not all. Definitely not all of them. It's not the one where they played Shade. For those two fans in downtown Denver.

[C]

I might go for a. I think I'm just gonna let it all ride, you know, like as if we were gonna. We're gonna double down. So I'm just gonna. I'm gonna do something that's gonna end up probably tanking my draft, but I don't even care because I feel. I feel like it. So I'm gonna do it. All right, so I'm gonna take. For the Saturday show, I'm gonna take 91 12. I'm taking it.

[A]

Yeah. Because, yeah, totally.

[C]

The best Saturday show they played there. I mean, you know, we can. We can talk about it and we. We should. But it's pretty. I think it's pretty well known show.

[B]

And it's a great show.

[C]

It's a great show and the light is just. It's phenomenal.

[A]

Perfect, perfect.

[C]

But I think. I think what I'm gonna do in my. With my second pick because I have the turn, as they say, is I.

[A]

Don'T get a second. A double pick here.

[B]

You will.

[C]

You will.

[B]

Because that's how a Snake draft works. It starts with you and goes down and returns. And it returns.

[A]

For some reason, I was thinking RJ was getting one and then I was getting two now. But now I'm remembering how.

[C]

I mean, that's how it should be, probably, but it's not.

[B]

That's not how a Snake draft works. Is like the only thing.

[A]

You know, I messed up my strategy.

[B]

I just want to say the 9112 light is the only time I've ever felt like I watched Fish win the World Series. It was.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

The final peak. Everyone's hands were in the. It was unbelievable.

[A]

Incredible, incredible jam.

[C]

Fuck. Now, I mean, shoot for those people who don't like cursing. I am in the middle of. I'm in between two things. And I mean, dude, do I just go with. Do I go with my heart or do I go with my strategic brain?

[A]

Go with your heart. Go in your heart.

[C]

Rj, you want to win? Brian, what's your suggestion?

[B]

Well, it depends on what it is. Where your Heart and your brain is. I would say at this point in time, one of us said, you know, there's one show and then the rest of them and as long as you have that one show. And so like, if you don't have that one show, you can just pick whatever.

[C]

Yep. It's true. It's true.

[A]

Said that.

[C]

God, this is getting really entertaining already. I think I'm just gonna do. I'm gonna go with it. I'm gonna do a jam Wild Card. I'm gonna pick my favorite.

[B]

Wow.

[C]

My favorite jam from Dicks.

[A]

Nice.

[C]

Of every jam at Dicks, which I think, Brian, you probably know what. What it is, but it. If you don't, you will when I say it because I've talked about this jam many, many times and I think it's. It's my favorite jam that they played there. And I think that's probably going to be argued about and people are going to send me notes and Ryan Storm's going to text me and all that. And that's fine because that's what we're here for, is to follow our. Follow our hearts and our minds that are. That are melded as one. So I'm going to. I'm going to choose the 201383113 Chalk Dust Torture. Which is nice. Which is. I listened to it again and I was like, this is, this jam is everything it has. It has like every single thing that you could want in a fish jam. And in my, you know, hundredth listen to it, I was like, this is amazing. There's. It's multi section and Fishman is just amazing. There is like, there's wood blocks. There's like. I mean there's every single thing you could imagine. It sounds like he has like 10 arms the entire time. And, and it kicked off. Maybe most importantly, he. It kicked off like an epic run of chalk dust tortures at Dicks. So you got to give it credit for being the first because you know, it counts. That's what I got.

[A]

Oh, I love that jam. It's so like strong and muscular. It has that like not fade away, like stop and start vibes.

[B]

So good. I just have to put a slight asterisk into what you said because everything else was correct. But the year prior, 831 12, which if you drafted it, you would know this. They play an outstanding chalk dust torture, which is. That's what kicks it off. But, but, but to your point. Yeah, I mean, so much anticipation. Facts.

[C]

I.

[B]

So much hype that went into Dick's 2013. And then the first night, I think we could all argue. Well, maybe we don't have to argue this well, though. Someone's already gotten a Friday night show, so they kind of overthought the gag, you know, it was a little overthought. It was the type of gag I would think of, probably, and be like, guys, this is a great idea. And midway through, people are like, I don't know what the fuck the gag is right now. The tweets that night, trying to guess what they were spelling backwards was hilarious. It was better than the show, actually. And then the next night, they play like a 17 song first set. And then they come out, they play that shock dust torture you're referring to. And it was like, okay, this is Dick's. This is what it. This is what happens in this venue. And the Fishman tray back and forth. It is some of the most, like, hypnotic jamming I've ever heard from them. Unbelievable pick rj. Great stuff.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Thanks, guys.

[A]

My favorite thing about these drafts is how, like, Brian is just, like, gassing RJ up the whole time. He's just like, you're killing it, man. And you're killing it. And then just like, gives me the hardest time. So funny.

[C]

Well, I don't think that's. That's not how I feel. That's not how I feel. I feel like everyone's. Everyone's equally excited for everyone else. That's the way it really is.

[B]

I'm happy for everyone for doing what they want to do.

[C]

Yeah. Free country.

[B]

It's a free country. You can pick whatever you want. Okay, is it my turn now or Meg?

[A]

I think that's how a Snake draft works. Yeah.

[B]

Do you go now? Okay.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Okay. So I got to get a little bit serious here because I only come around. I'm like Haley's Comet. I come around 20th century at this point in time. So I have a couple rules in life. And, you know, one of them is even if Brian Eno releases 17 albums in a year, you listen to them all. Another one is I don't know what the other rule is. I do know that one of my rules is if Evdude gives some advice, you take that advice. We've never met irl, but I can just tell he's a dude that, like, when you're hanging out, he's always going to have good ideas about what to put on. Justin Bruce with Brian's about to draft a 1980s dick show. I would if I could.

[A]

You know that Justin, it's so True.

[B]

But Abdude here has a great, great comment, great idea. And it's what I'm going to do next here because I have one pick for the next century. I am going Friday night. I am going to the second best show I've seen at Dick's Sporting Goods. I am not Dick's Sporting Goods. Dick's Sporting Goods park. I've never seen a concert at Dick's Sporting Goods. Although I wouldn't turn it down. I'm going 8, 30, 20, 24. This was my 99th fish show. First set, even though it contains a hey stranger is still really solid set. Solid type 1.5 Wolfmans A gula is my first gula since 2010. I want to say 8, 13, 2010. Really cool nomens. I took a wal during steam because I'm not a huge steam fan and I had to stop at the back end of the venue and just like watch because like the stage was like elevated. It was so cool. Really nice evolve. And then the second set, they come out and they play Choctaw Sand Ruby Waves. In an hour of just outstanding music. The only slight knock on that set was that my good friend Sam Timberg turned to me and at 22 minutes in the Choctaws torture and said, have we ever gotten a 30 minute jam at Dick's? And I gave him a look and he said, we're not going to get a 30 minute. We're not going to get a 30 minute jam now are we? And we didn't. We got 27 minutes. It was still very, very awesome. The sand is like the most in the pocket in sand, but like quiet and contemplative. And they're like listening so intently at each other. And then the Ruby Waves goes into like Gayudi territory. It's super weird, super wild. And then to knock it, you get a 27 minute long, you enjoy myself with a legitimate jam. In the encore, I was so happy. I was just like I was on cloud nine. It was the best. So 8, 30, 20, 24. That is my pick for Friday night at Dick's. If you can't get what you want, you might as well go home, I guess with the Ugly Stepsister is what they say. So hardly.

[A]

That show is the reason why I was sad about Mondegr. So like, that show is so killer. I mean, this set too is like a total masterpiece. It's perfect.

[B]

It does have a possum midway through the second set. So I don't know if I would say perfect, but you know, okay, maybe.

[A]

RJ would Yeah, he probably would think that's perfect.

[B]

Can you come up?

[A]

He's just gonna stay. He's just gonna stay muted. He doesn't even want to comment on it. And you're not even eating your peanut butter and jelly.

[C]

No. Bum. Done. I just wanted. I'm just here for. I'm just here for the Brinkman rants. That's it.

[B]

Who spends 30 minutes eating a peanut butter and jelly sandwich?

[C]

Nobody. I finished ages ago.

[B]

Exactly. Exactly. It's like a two minute eat.

[A]

Definitely need a lot of water though with that. For sure.

[B]

Can you go? It's your turn now.

[C]

You have two turns.

[A]

Yeah, I can go because I know exactly what I'm going to do.

[B]

Great, great. We're all happy.

[A]

Tell us what you're going to do. I'm sure you won't like these choices, but I'm going to go anyway. I'm going to make one choice that I'm really excited about. I'm going to make a strategy choice. Second.

[C]

Good.

[A]

I'll think about the second one. Maybe I'll switch it up. My first choice. I'm going to choose. Oh, shoot. Actually, I just realized I can't do that because I already have a. Oh.

[B]

Because I already have a Friday show.

[A]

Okay. I know what I'm going to do then. I am going to. Has RJ picked a Friday show?

[B]

Nope.

[A]

Okay. Okay. So I think I'm gonna switch it up a little bit here and I'm gonna do my 3.0 wildcard pick and I'm gonna pick 9117 as my 3.0 wild card pick. We've got an opening type two blaze on 15 minutes. Wild energy in this show. It's also got really great patience and space. I think the second set though is absolutely perfect. This no man in no man's land. It's on our Mount Rushmore. It's definitely in the top three favorite jams I've ever of that I've ever heard from Dicks. I think the Snowman's is just absolutely incredible. Carini, Ghost, Hood, Cavern. Like, come on. It's just. It's amazing. I love the show.

[C]

Yep. That's why I put it on Mount Rushmore. Yeah, but good job.

[B]

I don't know if that made mine Rushmore, but it didn't make yours.

[A]

It made the officials. It didn't make yours.

[B]

Fine. It made the official. I don't know if it made. I think it might have fallen off.

[A]

I think I not really a fan of that. Of that jam.

[B]

Well, I like it, but it.

[C]

There.

[B]

Are others from Dicks I like more fair.

[C]

So that. So, Megan, with that first pick, you took the best show from the one night that I wasn't choosing, which I think is good in terms of. Of showing that you are so cutthroat about this draft that you want me to have one less great show. And I think. I think everybody knows. Everybody who votes for Meg knows that it's a vote for. Everybody knows what they're voting for. That's all I'm saying.

[B]

For Machiavellian politics, let's just say it's.

[A]

A vote for thoughtful, considerate strategy. I don't. For me, these jams are. These drafts.

[B]

Kind of felt like that pick came because you forgot you picked a Friday show.

[A]

I did.

[B]

And then just threw it in there. This is not like weeks of strategy. This is like, oh, shit. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh.

[A]

I can do that, Brian. To be fair, I did. I did know that I wanted that jam, and if I didn't get it in Friday, that I wanted to try to get it in my 3.0 wildcard, so. Yes and no. But it was a little bit like, oh, I kind of forgot I already had a Friday jam for her.

[B]

It's okay. It's the fifth best Friday show that has been played, so, you know, I'm cool with it.

[A]

Yeah, I think some people like this show, but including me. Rj, you like it?

[C]

Well, yeah. Do you want to take. Let's see, I haven't chosen Sunday or Friday. If you want to take your 4.0 wild card just to get that off the table.

[A]

No, actually, I'm going to play a strategy move right now, I think here, because there's one category that's super weak, obviously, which is the Thursday category. And there's only three shows you can pick from. And so I think that I want to pick the strongest show out of that list. So I'm picking 8, 29, 24. And this show. You know, this is a pretty weak category, which, I mean, maybe speaks to. They shouldn't play Thursday shows at Dick's. Brian, I don't know if you have thoughts about that, but it seems like these shows haven't been super strong. But I do think this show, the first 45 minutes of the show, is killer. I think we've got, like, a Cities opener down with Seas, Ether Edge, Got a great ocelot and two really great jams in the second set. Sigma and Pillow Jets.

[B]

A lot of interesting takes in there. Which one would you like me to address first?

[A]

Brian? You can have your pick and you can address anything that you'd like to tell me that's wrong. About what I've chosen today in this.

[B]

Draft, I would agree with you. They should stop the Thursday night thing. It's too much. And last year it was very clear it was extremely undersold, which was nice because they still insist upon making the venue completely ga, which means you have to get in at doors to hold your spots. And then you have to fight off all of these cavernous wooks, cannibalistic wooks, if you will, who just, you know, want to spend, you know, all their time out in the lot huffing balloons. And they come in, they're like, hey, are those like six seats that five people are sitting in? Are they open for us?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And then they yell at you when you're like, no, man, like, my friend's just at the bathroom. Like, what do you want from me? But, yeah, I don't think that they should do the Thursday night thing anymore. It's just too much. And it's clear that, like, the demand isn't there. It's an interesting. There are definitely two great shows on Thursday. There's one show I would not want to have, which is why I will not go this next round, leaving that as a potential. So I'm going to have to make a strategy move because you kind of boxed us in here with this one. I think it's an interesting take that. Last year's Thursday was the best show seen as 08:31:23. Starts with a 20 minute Carini dedicated to Frenchie. Nice little blaze on solid little Caspian in the middle of the first set. We are come to outlive our brains, which it might be an unpopular opinion on this podcast, but I think it's an absolutely phenomenal jam. Huge ruby waves in a weird spot, like towards the end of the first set, big 23 minute tweezer into a really nice little beneath the sea of stars, into oblivion Light into slave to the traffic light. A light jam that is fantastic. So I'm just going to hold down Thursday night here. I feel like I'm playing super defensive right now because, you know, I just should have seen the move from the start. But hey, this is where we're at. 8:31, 20, 23. At least I don't have to have a 2022 show on my board. There's a win right there.

[A]

It's a weak category. You got to go early with this.

[B]

I do want to just shout out Ed, who In response to Meg, great ocelot is the case for show. I will actually defend you here, Meg, because I'm ocelot Stan. It's one of my worst fish opinions, but I will die on a hill. That is a phenomenal fish song. But it's a strange, it's a strange justification for you picking your show.

[A]

I'll tell you, it was one comment which is first of all, I think played in the first set at a outdoor show is absolutely killer. And that wasn't my only defense for picking that show. You missed everything else I said. I guess.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

Even the chat is turning on me. This is killing me.

[B]

I mean, this is what happens.

[C]

Brian, the only reason I'm disappointed that you picked that is because I think it's the only dick show that I listened to that I thought was way, way, way underrated. It's rated as a 3.8 on fishnet. And by the way, with your new part time volunteer gig, congratulations on making the jam chart team. I was asked. I declined. But I'm glad that you accepted. But the Tweezer. The Tweezer is not even jam charted and it's awesome. And the Ruby Waves that has like, I mean all the 23 and 24 shows have these like just super textured multi kind of segment jams. But I think that's a really good show. I think it's really underrated and I don't know why, but Jam.

[A]

The Tweezer jam is, is just kind of like a very standard Tweezer Bliss jam. Like it doesn't really, like, it doesn't really do anything else. It's, it's fine. But I'm just saying that, you know.

[C]

I just thought like last time I checked we like, we love, we all love Tweezer jams, especially long ones that were awesome. But you know, know I'm not in.

[B]

Charge of jam charts post peak jamming beyond the.

[C]

I mean, I don't know, maybe it's.

[B]

Just me, maybe I just heard Bliss and post peak jamming, but my ears don't work. I've been told by Ryan Storm I don't re listen to jams with intentionality. So maybe, you know, Meg is saying the same thing right now.

[A]

I'm definitely not. Do not put those words in my mouth. That's so unfair.

[B]

I'm just saying, I'm just taking your.

[A]

Thoughts the same way. You didn't like the nomens from 191 17. I didn't love this tweezer. I think that's fair.

[B]

I like the no man's from 91 17. I think that the notion that it is the second or third best Dick's jam ever played is a little bit insane of a comment to make. But hey, hey, that's not me.

[C]

I just want to. I just want to say that I think that by like default and Brian, you can communicate this or not to the jam chart team. If there's a 22 minute tweezer. I don't care if like 16 minutes of it is them doing something they've done before, it should be on the jam chart. 22 minutes is just.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Unless it's, you know, seven minutes of encore at the end.

[B]

Well, a comment that Charlie made that I thought was really, really insightful and I thought was fantastic was that, you know, they weigh these songs differently. Like, a tweezer has an extremely high bar, so you can have instances where, you know, like the. Just spitballing here. The 1230, 19 Tweezer has like seven of the best minutes of fish jamming ever. And then like 29 minutes that nobody really needs to hear again. And so like, those seven minutes should be jam charted, you know, like, so the version should be jam charted for that. The rest of it's kind of like. But what I think needs to happen is that there needs to be an audit of backlogged tweezers from like 94, 93 that were like 14 minutes of.

[A]

Life.

[C]

EV dude said that everyone wins with Thursday's selection so far. And that's true, except I haven't picked yet because there's only one left. So that is where that, that count change so far. So far. It's true. It's true. I'm just going to do a quick, just a quick sports analogy here, please. I. I'm sure, Brian, that you're familiar with, with, with the process, and that's where I feel like I am right now. We're, we're entering the process if for those who don't know the Sixers in 2013, 2014, they, they traded their best player and a bunch of other veterans in, in favor of draft picks. And, and the idea was to lose enough games to earn the highest possible picks. They went 10 and 72 in 2015. And then they got Joel Embiid and that's why his nickname is the Process, because they tanked everything just to try to get Embiid. And it worked. And I feel like my position now in this draft is that I could do anything. I could literally pick anything because I'm already done and I'm hoping I was. Hope. I was trying to figure out a way to, like, tank on purpose for some later reward. But I. But I don't think. But I don't think that exists. I don't think, like, you know, the reward doesn't exist. No.

[A]

Is that what you're saying?

[B]

Well, I can tell you we're never doing an MSG draft now, so you know that's off the table. How come? I mean, like, you won your win in this one, so you know you got your win.

[A]

We don't know.

[B]

You don't get an MSG draft now. You didn't know what the consequences would be. That's it. We're never ever. This podcast will never ever do an MSG draft now. Can we do a man draft? Can we do a Spectrum draft? Can we do a Philly Fish draft? Probably.

[C]

There we go. Okay.

[A]

That's you to me. They set me up and then they just want to tear me down.

[B]

I didn't set you up. I tried to warn you for weeks in advance. I said, there's like one off limit show here to pick, you know.

[A]

You did not. You never said that. You said, I have a list of shows that I will send you that. That you can't pick. And I was like, okay. And I said, I think if you don't get one show, it's really hard to win this. And you were like, what show? And I was like, I'm not going to tell you because I know that you know, and you never said, that's my show. Don't pick it. And even if you did, I just don't think that's how these drafts are played.

[C]

Yeah, Alpine draft I'd take.

[B]

We're going to do an Alpine draft to celebrate Midwest Fish as well. We're going to do a Philly draft here pretty soon.

[A]

I'm going to. I'm going to lose the next draft on purpose.

[B]

We might even do a Jones beach draft just to, you know, just to do the area around Megan.

[C]

It might be horrible. It might be the case that you couldn't even lose if you tried, you know, if you tried to throw it, you just win anyway.

[A]

No, it's not true.

[C]

I'm gonna just. So I'll just pick that with my next two picks. I'll. Can I pick. Use two picks to pick that Sunday show from 23, the one set rain show. Can I do that on both my 4.0 wild card and my Sunday show?

[B]

I need to call.

[A]

You can only get twins.

[C]

All right, so we're Back. We're so back.

[B]

The foreman Ken Burnstyle narration of our draft.

[A]

Killing me.

[B]

Yeah, just like we're, we're all like. There's like images and there's explosions and there's this and that happened. And then you just hear, you know, Peter Coyote's serious triangulation happening. Pretty standard for the draft.

[C]

It's pretty serious. I think I'll. I think I'm gonna go. I guess I'm just gonna do this. I mean, I, you know, like I said, I'm, I'm. I'm so, I'm so. I didn't know that, you know, whatever. Never mind. I'm gonna do that. Okay. I'm gonna choose the. I'm gonna go with my Friday show. Did I already pick a Friday show? No. Okay, good. I'm the only one Saturday show and.

[B]

A jam wild card pick so far.

[C]

Oh, I could take a good Sunday show from Megan, which I should probably do that. That first.

[B]

I think that would be a really good pick right now because Sunday, there's a lot of good Sunday show options here. I counted up 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 shows that are really, really worthwhile picking.

[A]

I probably won't pick any of those. So it's good for you to go and pick one. A bad one that I would pick that Brian can disagree with.

[C]

I, I'll just do it because I just listened to it today and this has. I think maybe after the. After my wild card jam, which again, I hope that the people voting noted that I did that as a way to just be awesome and just go right out of the gate to get my favorite jam and that should earn me many points.

[A]

That is awesome.

[C]

I guess for my Sunday show I'm going to take 9 to 12 because, I mean, that sand is just phenomenal. I mean, there's nothing, there's just. It's kind of amazing. When I was listening to it today, I couldn't believe that it was still going. Like, after a while it was like, is this really that long? You know, that little like, ambient loop thing, which. I know. It was like burned into my mind, you know, like, I've heard it so many times. Yeah.

[A]

So good.

[C]

Like, but then it just keeps going and it, it. I mean, it's just. It's a huge, huge, huge.

[B]

Oh, my God. It just like slowly creep. And they didn't do that then. They didn't do that at all when it was happening. People were like, like collectively losing their minds.

[C]

And a really, really good, good hood to close the six song second set. I think that second set's great. The first set is totally fine, but. But it's all about the second set. It's all about the sand. So I'm going to do incredible Ghost.

[B]

And Piper with like interweaving Trey and Page. And then it goes really nicely into lizards. Oh, my God. That's killer stuff, man.

[C]

The sand, Ghost Piper is a. Is quite, quite a powerful combo.

[A]

And to like end the run that way, like, it's just. I don't know, it was exciting. Trey's talking about not wanting to go home. It's really sweet.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

RJ having two. This is funny. I didn't get a single 2012 dick show. RJ having two of them is pretty impressive stuff. Well done. The dirty secret, though is like, if you don't have the light on Saturday and the third quarter on Sunday, Dick's 2012 is not Dick's 2012. You can have the fuck your face show. 2017 is a very, very good start to the overall run, and then it kind of peters out. That happens. That's happened in other. Other weekends as well. So. So very good pick there.

[C]

Thanks. Thanks. Thank you so much, Brian. That means a lot. And you know what? Just while we're at it, I'll just pick another one because it's my turn still.

[A]

Nice.

[C]

I think this show. I'm going to do my 4.0 wildcard while I'm here.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

I think this show is a little bit wacky in terms of like the set list, the jams that come out of it, the jams that develop are not the songs that I would prefer to hear jams out of. But. But I think this show itself is pretty phenomenal. So I'm gonna. We're gonna stay here in. In the era that we live in. And at least in. In 4.0, I'm gonna take 9, 2, 23 as my 4.0 wild card.

[B]

Interesting.

[C]

Yeah. And I'll tell you why, if you want to know.

[B]

Yeah, please do. I really want to know.

[C]

Okay, so first of all, you have like a jammed out fluff head to open a first set, which is just. I mean, we. We saw that. You saw that one in. Where was that? San Diego. Fall 21.

[B]

I saw San Diego, Alpine and Dick's. All jammed out versions.

[C]

All jammed out versions. I mean, I think when a show starts like that, it's just. It's just like. It sets the tone. It's wild. I mean, the rest of that first set is. Is fine, but the, the, like the whole second set with The ACDC bag, which is an awesome, awesome jam that goes into a chalk dust torture that is for some reason not jammed at dicks. And then you go into, like, Ether Edge and then a 46 days howling piper Closer. Like, not where I would put my. That's not. Those are the songs I would choose. But when.

[B]

Me either.

[C]

Yeah, but, you know, like, smooth. Smooth. 46 days out of Ether Edge and. And, you know, I mean, they always play 46 days there. But, like, this is just. That's an awesome fourth quarter, you know? You guys know how I feel about fourth quarters.

[B]

This.

[C]

This tour, summer 2025 had fourth quarters I thought were kind of inconsistent. But this 46 days howling Piper, like, that's how you finish a show. But that ACDC bag to start and then these three songs to finish. So I'm gonna. That's what I'm gonna do.

[A]

RJ Loving in 8:46 days is like a sort of event.

[B]

This is really wild.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

This is what happens when you're already. When you've already lost. You can just try anything, you know? Yeah.

[A]

But I love this show. I think this.

[C]

It's a really good show.

[A]

The flow in set one is awesome. Like, and there are a few things that stretch out. You have, like, the wave of hope that, like, stretches out a little bit. It's got, like, a nice little peak. The ghost has, like, a big build. Has, like a big monster sound. I think this show has got, like, a lot of stuff in it. And this. This jams in set two are good. They're. They're not like, really long, but they're good gems.

[B]

I have grown to enjoy this show. I did not love it in the moment. I don't necessarily agree with the flow. I don't. I think it works reset one.

[A]

Really?

[B]

Yeah. I think it works on Re. Listen and scattered. Like, it pops up on like, a jam. Like a. Like the Dick's playlist we were listening to. One of these jams would pop up. I would be like, wait, this was at this show? Holy shit. There's a video of me reacting to the start of the howling and then 10 minutes later dancing to the Howling. Because it was still going and it was in this, like, weird key that I'd never heard them play in. And Trey starts singing the Howling over it, and it sounds like late 90s rave. Just, like, awesomeness. Yeah, it's an interesting pick. It is definitely the kind of pick you would do when you were trying to tank your own draft in a good way. You know, it's like, it's like, like, you know, picking Nicola Jokic 45th in the 2014 draft. And then, oh, my God, Nicole Jokic is the best player in the NBA.

[C]

You never know.

[B]

Encore. I remember.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

At the start of every song, our group was like, all right, everyone get your stuff together. We're gonna get out of here once this is over. And then they would start another song, and then they would do another song. It was wild stuff. Cool show. I was at that show. Fun stuff. And.

[C]

No, you were. I know you were. Okay.

[B]

All right, so you've got. So let's do a recap for everyone here. Okay?

[A]

Okay.

[B]

All right. So Megan has for Thursday, 8 hours, 29 minutes and 24 seconds. She sat out a Friday pick, and she has picked 91 17, her 3.0 wild card. I have 83123 for Thursday, 83024 for Friday and 9, 416 for Sunday. And RJ has 9112 for Saturday, 9212 for Sunday, 92 23. If RJ gets all the 92 shows, it will be a really special thing. And 83113 Chalk Dust Torture for his jam wild card. I've got one pick here, and I think I need to kind of buck things up a little bit. I did not expect you guys to be as active as you are in the wild card area. So I applaud you both for messing around here in this. In this spot. What should I do? I'm between two shows right now that I'm thinking because I got my Thursday, Saturday. I feel as though I've got a couple picks I can fall back on if all falls apart here. I think I'm going to add to. Yeah, this is a show. This is a heavy show. I'm gonna throw in 83118 for my 3.0 wild card.

[A]

Nice.

[B]

They canceled Curveball because the people of Watkins Glen don't have any idea how to manage water. And apparently there are rumors that fish is going to be back, which I don't know why they would do that. There was this like two week period where everyone was mourning the loss of fish shows and people were really sad. Understandably so. I mean, I had friends who were literally like three cars back of the entrance and they were turned away. People that were camped out already and had to get up and get out of there.

[A]

There.

[B]

Really, really rough stuff. Rj, you were on your way to there at that point in time. And then all the attention turned to dicks and what are they going to do? And it was honestly like if you, if you were there, if you remember this whole sentiment around this period of Fish history, it was the closest thing I think anyone felt to Coventry 15 years later where like you really got this sense of like fish shows like, because at that point in time, aside from the rain out rescheduling in Toronto in 2013, like no shows have been canceled. Tours were going off without a hitch. There were, there was no like no health issues. Like everything was just going well. Like sometimes the music was up, sometimes it was down. But like Fish just, they toured, they just kept going and suddenly like holy shit, a whole festival can be canceled. It was, it was a shocking moment. And you know, I remember walking into the show there were like people crying, there were people hugging each other. And they came out and they opened up with Free, which was like the perfect song to open with. Lyrically it just like hit at this kind of sentiment. People were feeling this like release people needed going into that run. And then they played Harry Hood. It was the second time I've ever cried at a Fish show. And people were like hugging each other. It was amazing moment. Then they what's the use? And then you get this incredible. A great little blaze on but an incredible ghost and cross eyed in a simple. And then CAVERN and the second set you get a nice little 13 minute no man, a huge carini where Trey is just like slaying curveball demons. Nice little Mercury and an amazing light. That is as close as the band has come to playing. The 8:31:12 undermine again. Not even a Martian monster Julius encore could ruin the show. I was so, so into this show when it happened. It was very heavy though. I remember friend of the pod, Steve Haydn texted me after this run. He listened to the show and he was like, this show sounds like the band is playing their own wake up. It was just, it had that vibe to it. The summer 2018 sound doesn't translate as well now. Trey's guitar is a little grungy and there was a lot of Leslie stuff going on. But when they locked in like they locked in really well. And this show is one of them. And if you go on fish.net, the picture is of the band walking down the steps, which you can see our section. And it's just one of my favorite things about dicks is if you're on page side you can see the band descending the steps before they come on stage, before the lights turn out, before anyone else knows that they're playing there. It's just A really special image. So 831 18. That is my 3.0 wildcard show.

[A]

Killer pick. I love that show. It was so emotional.

[B]

Very, very Meg. You got two picks now.

[A]

I got two. Okay. Okay. I'm gonna pick a show that I love. And I don't know if it's finally. It's wow. Wow, Brinkman. No, I say that because I don't know if it's like one of these times when fish wasn't good at dicks and you're gonna come back at me. But I love this show. I think it's awesome. I'm picking for Sunday. I'm pick for 2011. I think the show rules. It has the first maze opener in over 500 shows. Really strong. Back on the train. Big gin and chalk dust jams in set one. But set two, I think this is just a killer opener to open with rock and roll and then go into a huge come together bust out. That just. It's so cool. Twist has low rider teases in it. The piper, though, in the show is. Is one of my favorite jams from Dick. I absolutely love this Piper. Like, it's just great. And then it has Ghost with guy. Forget bust out in the middle, back into Ghost. Love this show.

[B]

Yeah. The faux roadrunner jamming and Piper into the storage jamming. Huge, huge moment. This was the. I remember webcasting the show and deciding we were going to do Dick's 2012 right. As a show.

[A]

Really? Oh, that's killer.

[B]

We're like, this just looks like too much fun. We're two hours from Denver. Let's get there. Yeah. The whole 2011 run is super underrated now, but I don't think without the energy of each of those three shows, I don't think people are talking about dicks because I don't think they're going back there as much as they did after, like 2012. Set the bar very high. But 2011 was very, very special.

[A]

Okay, so now I'm trying to decide. Let me see what you guys have for Sunday.

[B]

Has been closed, by the way. We've got 9, 4, 11, 9, 4, 16, and 9 to 12. You got to try really hard to do better than those three shows there on a single date. That's some good stuff.

[A]

Good stuff there. So Brian and I have not picked for Saturday and I still need to pick for 4.0 wildcard too. I feel like. Okay, about that.

[C]

Megan, you take. Could you take 9122 as your 3.0 wild card? And then I just won't have a Thursday show.

[A]

Sorry, can't do that. I'm trying to decide here. Let's see.

[B]

Really likes the ocelot from that show though.

[A]

Yeah, exactly. And if it has an ocelot, I'm sold. Let's see. Okay, so let me look at this here. Oh, wait, you've already chosen that, right? You. Oh, boy. Okay. I'm trying to decide if I want to go for my 4.0 wild card or choose a jam or a Saturday.

[B]

It would be great if Meg picked a show we've already picked and that she could steal it from us.

[A]

I actually am a little unsure. I have to look back and see for one of these. If you've already picked it. I've been trying to keep track of it, but sometimes I may have gotten a little distracted. Okay. I think. Let's see here. Okay. I think I'm going to choose for my 4.0 wild card. Let me just make sure this is what I want to do. Yeah. Okay. I'm going to do this. I'm going to choose from our four pointer wild card. I'm going to go with 91 24. We have a dog log bust out in set one. We've got. This is the. My friend, my friend. This was the longest one at this time. We've got a really strong life saving gun to end the first set. I think set two has a little bit of lack of flow, but I feel like it must have felt like a big celebration in the venue. Like feel like the encore was just like perfect. There's this joy explosion and I think this was a perfect example of what they could have done on Mondegreen Day 4. That would have worked like bust outs and a monster jam. It kind of saves a decent show from feeling average. And I think they could have done that at Mondegrain Day 4.

[B]

I do like that you noted the longest. My friend. My friend. For all of four months.

[A]

Exactly. Only for a few minutes. Okay.

[B]

Yeah. This was a great show. Really loved the first set. Set Yourself Free is super wild. Super dark. Super wild. Talk about a tweezer that doesn't deserve to be jam chartered and is not as a result right afterwards. But Caspian, Set Yourself Free. Tweezer Light. You would think that that is a power hour on par with the previous two nights, but it's just not. Set Yourself Free is great. And then Trey was just like, hey, just let me play some wildlight songs. So I'm glad that you, you got this for your 4.0 wild card.

[A]

Thanks.

[B]

It works.

[C]

Brian. What do you got left? You have your Jam wild card, your 4.0 wild card and your Saturday show, right?

[B]

Yeah, that's what I have left. You're absolutely right about that, rj. So I'm next, aren't I? Meg, you have anything else you want to say about 91 24? I don't know. I mean there's, there's a eight minute runaway gym.

[A]

I think I'm good. Brian, I'm curious to see where you're going next.

[B]

All right. I. Hmm. I have to do a Saturday, a 4.0 wildcard and a Jam Wild card. Let me just check out my list really quick here to see how things are going.

[A]

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[B]

I did take that. Yep.

[A]

Oh, I'm talking to myself. I'm sorry. I'm just keeping up. I lost a little bit of a notes here and it kind of threw me off. Okay.

[B]

It's great podcasting.

[A]

Yeah, thanks.

[B]

You know what, man? I think I can hold off on Saturday. I have enough options here. I'm gonna go with my 4.0 wildcard.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

And I'm gonna go with a show that is very, very near and dear to my heart.

[C]

Well, good.

[A]

Finally.

[B]

Finally. I honestly can't believe that this show dropped this far in the draft. This is like when you get to pick, you know, a pretty sick quarterback in like the fourth or fifth round because everyone else was playing chess and you're playing checkers. This is a show that RJ was at. This is a show that we did a live broadcast from the lot at dis. Prior to it, we had some music, we had some great interviews with noted jam chart members. We chatted, we had the whole crew there. We had a big old crew. We had a big group out in front of us. We had shift cannabis hanging out with us. They set up everything. They did all the tech. And then we got into the show end of a nice weekend. Bishop played a really solid gorge run, an awesome shoreline run, and to that point in time, a very respectable, solid dicks run. Friday night had a killer Carini, a really good Choctaw. Saturday night had an amazing everything's right. You can take notes if you need any further jams Meg to pick out for your final pick. But Sunday night is really where everything came together. This show, some could call it a vibe show, some could also call it a Sunday show. It's got both feelings going on here. You've got a nice little McGrath bust out in the first set. We've got the first ever Sigma Oasis jam. We've got the return of all these dreams. I don't even know the last time that this was played and I don't know if anybody's asking for it. I know I'm going to get a comment here from Ed at this point in time. First in four years, 83 shows at that point in time. I'm here for every round room track coming out. We got Ariba and JYN closing out the first set. Really cool disjointed second set with set your soul free. Just wild, wild jamming. But the whole second set revolves around the Simple Catapult, Simple Meat Stick segment. That's some of the weirdest gooey effects that we have ever heard from the band. So much so that, like, they had to play Catapult. Just had to. There was no way around playing Catapult with that groove. And then we get a nice little Ruby waves jam. Only 11 minutes, but solid. We get, I think the third, second or third bliss. Second bliss. All time. They haven't played it since then. And then nice little. Most events aren't planned. Harry Hood. And then always for rj, he's in attendance. So they get a more. This is one of those shows that, like, there's not one aside from the Simple Catapult Meat Stick, which is an interesting thing because it's three songs. And some people would say, oh, those three songs, they don't work together as one jam. Even though there's literally no comma or breathtaking. It's just music being played and new lyrics, but still the same music being played. There's not like a tent pole like you would have in some of these other shows, but it's about the whole thing. And sometimes those. Those types of fish shows are super fun to attend and super fun to listen back to. So 9, 5, 21, which closes out our 4.0 wild card section. We've got 9 1, 24 from Meg, which has an interesting fourth quarter, 9, 5, 21 from me, and 9223 from RJ, which is a fascinating pick in and of itself.

[C]

Yeah, dude. Yeah.

[A]

Yeah, dude. Oh, my God, I love it.

[B]

And we got a comment from Ed that since you asked, all of these Dreams was last played on 417 23. Thank you.

[A]

Yes. Actually, I will say that's one of my favorite catapults ever. It's so sick because they have like, the. What they're playing underneath. It is just so awesome. I love that Catapult. Still never heard it.

[B]

Great Catapult. Great catapult.

[C]

Good 4.0 wild card category choices here. And even it shows that even if it's not Brian Brinkman's favorite show, it can still be a good show. And that's.

[A]

Look at that. Look at that.

[C]

That's something that nobody knew until today. But. But that's why we are the lifelong learners here on the podcast.

[B]

We got a big great comment here from. We ought to shout out our listeners when they make good comments. Incredible. Perp9124 that jammed out Tweezer Reprise was bonkers. It's shocking that people don't talk about that. Jammed out tweets. Reprise more now even that they did it, like, six times in the last Fish show. But, yeah, that was a super fun way to close out that show. Show.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

All right, RJ. RJ still has Thursday, Friday, and 3.0 wild card.

[C]

Yeah, let's just go with the 3.0 wild card. I'm gonna go with just a great show that's been selected in other drafts and just sentimental. Feel good. You know, it's a vibe show, and I think I actually was thinking about it today, and I think that. I think everyone loves this show because it's like, the only time that Fish has ever been. Like, not the only time, but it's like, Fish thanks their fans, and everyone's like, oh, my God, that was the best day of my life. Like, they've been fans, been going travel, traveling, following you around for 36 years. I think they should have said thank you more than once, but. But they did it that one time, and everyone loved it. 9, 6, 15.

[A]

This is the irony of you drafting this after scoffing at me. Drafting it in another draft is just like, you can't make this shit up.

[C]

It's not. It's. It's called strategia, not irony.

[B]

I'm. I'm thinking the reason he scoffed at you is because I think you picked it as, like, your first or second pick.

[A]

I did. I don't want to. That's why I didn't want to talk about it, Brian. It's too embarrassing.

[C]

No, we're good.

[A]

Embarrassing. I don't want to talk about it. It.

[C]

It's worth it. It's worthy.

[B]

Probably won that.

[A]

I didn't. I totally lost it, and I was, like, crumbling on air because I was like, you idiot. Yeah, but it's okay.

[C]

I mean, Tweezer Reprise, Harpua After Midnight. I mean, we first of all. Have they played Harpua since then? I guess, probably, yeah. But not a lot.

[A]

Not a lot.

[C]

Keyboard army, your pet cat. Once in a lifetime. United we stand. Geez. Unbelievable. Unbelievable. Unbelievable. I mean, really, really. Can't get much better.

[B]

Truly. Truly. A vibes moment. Like the. The peak vibes moment from the band coming off of one of their best tours that they've ever played. They felt it as much as we did. You're forgiven for not shouting out. The first landlady since December 3, 1994. The first bird watcher. The first bird watcher since June 28, 2012. First keyboard army since December 14, 1995. And the first once in a lifetime since October 31, 1996. And also, you're forgiven for not shouting out. We just talked about this movie on Blockbuster Card. The down with the Z's with Katy Perry's fireworks jam in the middle of it is some of my favorite shit in the world. I'm so here for this show.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[B]

I'm just glad to see it.

[A]

You love it now that RJ's drafting it, but when I drafted it.

[B]

Well, I have a very sentimental relationship with this show, if you really want to know. I was couch touring at home and I thought I had like a month and a half left of not having kids. And then my son decided to be born one weekend later. This was the last evening of Less. Like, I'll have another beer at 11:30. Brian's life, just amazing stuff. And I actually fell asleep for a little bit on the couch during the like, end of set two. And I woke up to the end of Tweezer Reprise. And I remember being like, ah, I missed the whole encore. And then they started Harpua and I just, I, I, oh, water.

[A]

It's an amazing show. It's so sentimental and it's, it's beautiful. That's why I drafted it and was made fun of you guys for it. But here it is, RJ's pick and it's amazing. RJ, what a great pick. Sentimental picture, Brian. He loves that you picked it. Good job.

[C]

Thank you.

[B]

Great pick.

[C]

Thank you.

[B]

And great call from our audience out here calling for a Catapult Rushmore. It's coming.

[A]

That's fun.

[B]

2026. We're coming back with more Rushmores and Catapult will be on the 2026 list. I can promise you all that. Morgatown.

[C]

Okay, well, I guess I'm gonna leave the Thursday show. So I'll draft a Friday show. Although neither matters because you guys can't take any more Wild cards. So now we're just talking. I'm talking to myself, which is always good.

[B]

We're just chilling.

[C]

I guess. For my, for my Friday show, I think I'm gonna take 9216 as my Friday show because the other option is 92 11, which I don't, I don't like as much as 92 16. I don't think 9211 is as good of a show as it's rated. But you guys can at me at, at all of us, please, and tell me why that's wrong. But I'm gonna take 9216 as my Friday show. I like how the second set kind of unfolds in a. In a slightly atypical way. I don't know. Brian, you were at the show. You tell me if that's what happened. But, like, opening with Antelope is kind of a. Is. Is an interesting move in this day and age. Although it's not this day and age. I guess it was almost 10 years ago, but there's some really good. I think that, like, from seven below onward is a. Is a really interesting and. And pretty cool, like, third and fourth quarter. Um, I don't know if the antelope counts, but you also have a no man in set one that is. I don't know. Trey is like, kind of on. On the show, like, the whole time, which I think is. Is always fun. So I'm going 9 to 16.

[A]

Nice.

[B]

I was not at this show.

[C]

Oh, fuck.

[B]

I was supposed to be at this show.

[C]

How are we gonna know if it was good or not?

[B]

Well, this was a great show. I was supposed to be at this run and I had to sell my tickets three days before because family health shit came up. And. And. Which was crazy because I was planning to go to this whole run the entire summer. It was going to be my. We were going to move to Denver. We were living in Maryland.

[C]

That was the summer that you were going to move to Denver.

[B]

I was about to move to Denver and I was going to these shows. My wife said, why don't you go out? You need a weekend off. Go to these shows and then find us a house to live in. That's the one thing you have to do while you're there. So I was going to go out on a Wednesday. I was going to spend two days hiking and looking for rental properties. And then on Tuesday, we got some really bad news. I posted on cash or trade, which I wouldn't do again. But I posted. I had tickets, and I was selling them for face value. I didn't want to fucking it over. I needed all the good karma that I could get. I posted them. I got 7,000 emails in, like, 20 minutes. And I just picked the first person and I wrote this person email. I said, hey, look, I just want to be very, very straight with you. My whole life just took, like, a pretty insane turn. This is why I'm selling these tickets. I just want you to take them and, like, have as much fun as you're gonna have. Like, put as much good energy in the world as possible going to these shows. This person wrote back, and we had a great show back and forth, which I really needed at that moment in time. And then these shows happened and this show ruled. And I was like, God damn it. Not only this, but also they're playing like one of the most hypnotic no man and no man, no man's lands ever. Which I would personally take over.9117. But hey, you know, I knew it was coming.

[A]

I just knew it.

[B]

I do want to just add. I want to give a quick shout out to my good friend Sam Timberg, who we were traveling out to Denver to see these shows together. And I did break the news to him. I couldn't go. He went as he was going into the show. I hope I'm not. I'm not going to say too many specifics, but he got a call with some very bad news himself. And his brother was like, why don't you just go to the show and then come back to Maryland tomorrow? And he came back and we actually watched 9316 together as a result. Because we were both like, neither one of us could be there. Let's hang out and do this. And now we've seen every Dick show together since 2017 because it's got that vibe. So great, great pick, RJ. I was not at this show though, so I can't tell you if it was.

[C]

Sorry, sorry for bringing that. Making you tell that story, but sharing.

[B]

So do you have anything else? Is there another show you have to pick?

[A]

Yeah. What's going on?

[B]

No, you picked 9, 2 16. What was the. Oh, you picked 9, 6, 15. That was a killer show. Great, great pick there, RJ.

[A]

Nice.

[B]

9, 6, 15. Whoever gets that in drafts should just automatically win.

[C]

So good. So good. I love this.

[A]

I agree.

[C]

I love this. All right, we gotta go. We gotta. We gotta go through this. Come on, on. Come on, guys.

[B]

Because we apparently have another podcast to do always. All right, the jams. I can wait. I'm going to take a Saturday show here. I just got to pull up my notes one more time. I'm going to stock up with a run that I would say musically surpassed 2012. Even though I think 2012 is still the best Dick's run ever. And that is 2024. I'm going to take 8, 31. 2024. What do I say about this? This is my 100th show. So big vibes. This is my kids first show. Even bigger vibes. This show opens with an outstanding type two. 46 days, really cool. 18 minute oblivion. An axilla into a wild hypnotic gin. Second quarter. So, so just happens. And they come out for the second set and they Play loving cup. But then we get a 25 minute killer falls into what's going through your mind into cross eyed and painless. And then split open and melt. And Trey was like, hey, we're playing with house money right now. So now's the time. Let's play fucking monsters, baby. Which was just kind of ridiculous. But they played monsters and then Karini to close things out. I loved this show. I got to hang out watching this show. I was sitting in the aisle seat with my son on my lap while they were jamming out the Kill Devil Falls Top 5 Fish Moment of all time. Kind of full circle from that 9, 2, 16 experience. Huge, huge stuff. So 8, 31, 2024.

[A]

Awesome. Michelle.

[C]

Nice. Yeah, I think this one's really underrated too. I think it should be.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah.

[C]

Should be higher than it is. Look at that. All right, Megan, you're up.

[B]

You got your last. Last. Oh, no, wait. Yeah. You got your last two picks.

[A]

My last two picks. Oh, my God. Okay. The pressure. Okay, so I have to pick a Saturday show and a jam, right?

[B]

Yep.

[A]

I'm kind of torn between two Saturday shows. Okay. I think I know what I'm gonna do. I am gonna pick for my Saturday show. 9 3, 2016. Just think this is a really tightly played show. Great flow. We've got a slave opener, the first since 1989. Great. Down with disease in the first set. Awesome. Blazon to Simple. Really big jams in the second set. There. Tre Amarimba, Lumina in simple. A fantastic hood. But I think one thing that's so special about this show is how Mike finishes the squirming coil alone on stage in the encore. It's like the first time in fish history this ever happened. And he's just killing it so hard that everybody just starts looking at him and decides that he gets to finish this. And I wasn't there. But I bet this moment was just unbelievable to watch on stage. And he's pretty cool. Cool.

[B]

Awesome show. This was our 40 for 402016 pick.

[A]

Are you serious? I have, like, no memory of that. That's crazy. It's a great show. That's a little weird that I don't remember that.

[C]

Good for us. Good pick. Good pick by Megan. Good pick by us. Good pick by former us. We're doing great.

[B]

I remember everything you do.

[A]

I know.

[B]

Including what shows you guys pick against me.

[A]

Know.

[C]

Never forget. Hashtag.

[A]

Hashtag. Never forget. Okay, I have my. I have the jam now, right?

[C]

Yep.

[B]

Let's hear it.

[A]

Okay, so I. I mean, I'm sorry to do this, but I don't know if you're. Brian. Maybe you didn't want to do me to do this, or maybe you wanted me to do this, but just do it. I have to pick the Dick's Light from 2012. I mean, to me, this is.

[B]

Yeah, you have to. No questions asked. You just have to.

[A]

I put it on our Mount Rushmore of Light, and it's. To me, I've listened to it, like, four times this week at least, and.

[B]

All time. Yeah, I believe it.

[A]

I'm sorry. All time. What? Can I just say my piece and then you can give me a hard time? Okay, Mr. Brinkman. Anyway, it's just. It's perfect. It's just an absolutely perfect jam. It has every section that I want it to. Any point in this jam, you could just stop and it sounds like they're playing a song. Like it sounds completely composed. And the peak is amazing. And I'm. I'm just. I love this jam. So that's it.

[C]

Yeah, it's a good jam. That's why I chose the show. So I agree with you. Thanks 100% that I'm with you. 100. As the kids say, one hundo.

[B]

Good stuff. Good stuff. All right. You got anything else to say, Meg?

[C]

Any other?

[A]

Well, I would say that you have had a lot of rounds if you wanted to pick this jam.

[C]

That's true.

[A]

Like, a lot. A lot of rounds. Like, this is my last.

[B]

I'm actually. I'm. I'm honestly okay with you picking it.

[A]

I didn't know.

[B]

Amazing jam. It is an amazing moment. Like I said it was. As a Cubs fan, it was the closest I ever came to a World Series win. So I'm really happy for you. I'm torn between two jams for my last pick, and I think I'm gonna go with my heart on this one. As Foreman says, strategy, not so much, but, man, do it. Does he know a lot? I know a lot. And one thing I do know is when to tell Trey stands to put his guitar down after the end of this jam. Don't play Golgi apparatus. Walk off the stage. It will be that much better. And that happened in this. During this moment. If I can't have 831 12, I can at least have the 83112 undermine, which is where to begin? Where to begin? What should we say about the dicks undermined?

[C]

I mean, everyone's already said everything. I mean, you should say stuff, too.

[B]

It caps off. Not only the fuck you set from A spelling standpoint, but also the fuck you vibe that was emanating from the stage during that set set. Seen a lot of really good Fish sets. I don't think I've ever seen anything like that yet. Crazy songs in wild places. You enjoy myself. Midway through the first set, an amazing carini jam that sounds like six years ahead of its time. And then this undermined that to that point in time, I think had only jammed once before. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I think it was the elements show 81511 and they had just enough time to throw a jam in there. I got a great sit down interview with Jake Cohen about this jam in particular. You can hear it in season three of Undermine, the podcast where we were talking about the jamming evolution in early 3.0. Which. Yes, Meg, there's a lot of great gems in early 3.0. It's a lot of like just amazing jams to check out. Early 3.0. A lot of cool evolution that was happening. This is one of those. The wood block that Fishman starts playing and that Trey then responds to is the tone of his guitar and the fact that he built to this just stunning. Went gin like peak and had the wherewithal. I mean they had to do it because of the gag, but had the wherewithal to take his guitar off at the end. The shimmering chords and like the white lights just like, oh my God, I can still see it. I took his guitar off and I pulled out my phone to text like 1600 people how it was the greatest set of my life. And I got one text from my brother in law that just said fuck you in all caps. And my response was, it was a great show, but you don't have to yell at me. It was a great set. You don't have to yell at me. And only then did I realize that they had actually, I had no idea that they were spelling something I didn't. Just completely forgotten I'd gone into another dimension. I was so blown away by the overall music that was played during that set. So Dick's undermined. I'll take that if I can't have 831 12. RJ, you're up.

[C]

Yeah, that was it. That was it. That was the whole point of this podcast. So Brian could talk about that set and he got to do it.

[A]

Yeah, see, and I didn't undermine one time.

[C]

I don't know. This is a hard one. But yeah, I guess I'll take 9122 for my Thursday show. Hold on, let me Just let me just Google it to see what they played so I can tell you guys how good it was. Yep. Possum open, set two. The Howling. Yep. That's about it. You know, if that show. You know, if I. If it's a possum opener, I'm in. Now the ruby. I think there's a good ruby waves. I actually didn't listen back to it. I don't think maybe I listen to the ruby waves, but that's the one left, and so that's what we're doing. Thank you for listening.

[B]

Great ruby waves. Great piper. Big. Don't doubt me.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

When that's a highlight, you know, no.

[C]

One could ever forget that. Don't doubt me. But it is. It is a. That is, actually. I remember that. It's like 12 or 13 minutes, right?

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[C]

Solid, solid, solid, solid jam to close the show with the piper. I mean, that's. That's got to be worth something.

[B]

It is. It's not a bad show. It's. It's uneven. It is like, a lot of that. 20.

[A]

Howlings.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Late 20, 22 fish was a lot of, like, wow, they can play like this, and then they choose to play, like, 45 minutes of trash. What is going on right now? Yeah, that was, like, a lot of it.

[C]

Brian, can you please run down our picks so that we can wrap up and tell everyone how to give their feedback on our draft?

[B]

So Megan decided not to pick anything in this draft. Interesting strategy. No, I'm joking. It ends here. Meg. I'm sorry. Okay, Megan. Thursday night, 8 hours, 29 minutes and 24 seconds. Apparently, the best Thursday show that has ever been played. Friday night 2012. Saturday night, 9, 3 16, Sunday night. 9, 4, 11, 3.0 wild card. 9, 1 17, 4.0 wildcard, 9124, and jam wild card. 9112 light. I went 8 31, 2023 for my Thursday show, 83024 for my Friday show, 83124 for my Saturday show, 9, 4, 16 for my Sunday show, 83118 for my 3.0 wild card, 9521 for my 4.0 wildcard, and 83112 undermined for my jam wild card. And RJ, murderers row here. 9, 122 for Thursday, 9216 for Friday. Killer show. 9, 112 Saturday. Great show. 9212 Sunday. RJ is just like, hey, I'm gonna take most of 2012 dicks, and you guys can all go yourselves. 9, 6, 15, 3.0 wild card. The vibes and 9, 2, 23. 4.0 wild card because of vibes and because of the howling. And then the 8. 3113 chalk dust torture as his jam wild card. I think we did a good job here. I am a little surprised that 9, 2, 22. 9 1, 23. 9, 3, 22. Sorry. I'm almost done here. I'm just seeing what else hasn't been taken.

[A]

That one. I feel like I messed up not taking that one. 9, 3, 22.

[B]

That's an excellent second set. I had an RJ experience after that where I posted a picture of my notes of that second set, and I said, this is one of the best sets I've ever seen. And the Internet did not like that. It was one of the best sets. Sets I've ever seen. And everyone yelled at me, and I was like, what do you want from me? It's one of. I. I didn't. I didn't say it's the best. I said it's one of. What do y' all want from me? So. And then 9, 3, 23. I'm really surprised RJ didn't take that as his Sunday show.

[C]

Thank you, guys. It was so fun. The strap was so fun. It's like. It was so fun. I just had, like, so much fun, and it was just so great. So thank you guys for being here with us.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[C]

So everything about it was just so fun.

[B]

No, it's not the origin story for the social media black blackout. It just. It was part. I was like, you know what? Fuck all you people. I don't need to hear anything from any of you anymore. Just my. Just my HF Pod crew.

[C]

Well. Well, okay. So we have. Wait, what? Is that true? No. Now what are we doing here? Never mind. I was going to say something, but then the Internet stopped working. All right, so, guys, we want you to vote on the Ghost Rushmore. You have to tell us your favorite ghosts of all time. That'[e-mail] Rushmore and then are we putting the results of this out there? I guess we have to.

[A]

Yeah. OsirisPod.com draft. Is that how you vote RJ?

[C]

If I said it up, I might not.

[B]

She knows really, really well we only.

[A]

Take votes there because you don't trust my social media or hfpod social media or any of the social medias anymore. So we only take it online. So only old school. You have to go to a website to vote on this draft. The kids would be horrified. But yeah.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

To keep it legit.

[C]

Yep. That's fair.

[B]

I didn't realize that RJ had a lot of opinions about security of voting.

[A]

Yeah, he won't let. He won't. He says I can't put them out. Just. I think you both have commented that if I put out votes on social media that it will affect my ability to win.

[B]

Hey, man, I don't push my own drafts. I just let it. I just let the people decide, you.

[C]

Know, but it is not your own drafts.

[A]

I'm just like out there doing the thankless work of the HF POD socials and, you know, I get blamed.

[B]

I just. I just. I just. I prepare, I draft and I move on, you know?

[A]

Yeah, I know. It's somebody else does the socials that you don't have to. It's nice.

[C]

No one definitely. I definitely did not say that. Megan. What I said was. Which I'm happy to. I'm happy to say what I actually said, if anyone cares. But, you know, what did you actually said? It's sort of like it's already been said, so why bother? I said that it would be good to have all the votes in one place so we can see them. If that is. If that's not a legitimate reason for putting the vote somewhere, then we can do that. I mean, we can do. Put them anywhere. I don't care. I mean, it's one less thing for me to do to not set up the redirect. Actually, you know what? We won't do it today for this one. Just to see.

[A]

What do you mean we don't have to do it? No, we're going to. All, all the votes are going to [e-mail] draft. That's the only place you can vote for the draft. Because I don't want to hear any like, you know, nonsense about illegitimate.

[B]

She's already preparing for. For an illegitimate win. It's crazy. I've never. I've never heard anything like this. Actually, I've heard it from one person, but I'm surprised. I'm just telling you, she's already preparing for an illegitimate win. My goodness.

[C]

Yeah, we're. We're not gonna. We're not gonna do male. Except can't vote by mail anymore.

[A]

I am the one who wanted more access to voting. You are the ones who are taking it away. Let's just be clear here.

[C]

That's so true.

[B]

I'm just going to start counting all of the text message results that I get because I do poll a few of our chosen. Our close friends.

[A]

Okay, well, I want to know what the results of that poll are?

[B]

I'll send you them all. I'll send you every single one of them and you can determine if you want to use it or not. Not.

[A]

I'll ask rj. We are the final choice about that. How about that?

[C]

I hope our list gonna appear on.

[B]

Streamyard in 10, 10 days. We want all voting to stop. We don't want any more voting on the. On the Dick's draft.

[C]

True.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[C]

I just. I hope everyone's just enjoying what this draft's all about, which is camaraderie and friendship and fun. Definitely. What. What's really just driving us here at HFPod. So we're going to see you guys next here next week for. For our next episode of Rushmore. It's going to be fantastic. Yeah. So get out there and vote, everybody, but do it legally and do it safely. All right, we'll see you all next week.

[A]

Thanks, everybody.

[B]

S.A. osiris.