Mt. Rushmore: Harry Hood

Summary

Helping Friendly Podcast Episode Summary: Mt. Rushmore: Harry Hood

Release Date: March 11, 2025 | Host: Osiris Media | Duration: 1 hour 31 minutes

The Helping Friendly Podcast (HFPod), hosted by Osiris Media, delves deep into the fan experience and music of Phish. In the episode titled "Mt. Rushmore: Harry Hood," released on March 11, 2025, the hosts—RJ, Brian, and Megan—embark on an extensive discussion to rank the top four live versions of Phish's iconic song, "Harry Hood." This episode not only highlights various renditions of the song but also engages with listener feedback, merchandise critiques, and reviews of recent Phish shows.

Introduction and Theme

The episode begins with the hosts humorously referencing the continuous project of "building Mount Rushmore," symbolizing their ongoing efforts to rank the best versions of Phish's "Harry Hood." RJ sets the stage by acknowledging the challenge of selecting standout performances from numerous live renditions ([01:36]).

Listener Feedback and Voicemails

Early in the episode, the hosts address listener voicemails, including one from a commuter frustrated about the lengthy discussion on the first "Bathtub Gin" during a Mount Rushmore segment ([02:49]). Megan reacts to listener interactions, sharing her experiences at the Reprise shows where fans approached her with jokes and compliments about merchandise ([05:15]).

Merchandise and Sponsor Discussions

Megan voices her dissatisfaction with Fish Dry Goods' insulated cups and T-shirts, highlighting quality issues such as decaying decals and stitching problems in multiple shirts ([08:05]). Brian and RJ humorously discuss their preferences for different merchandise brands, emphasizing the importance of high-quality fan gear ([07:44]).

Recap of Recent Shows and Fan Interactions

The hosts review recent Phish performances at venues like Brooklyn Bowl, Worcester, and Saratoga, praising the bands' energy and the crowd's enthusiasm ([11:32]). They express gratitude towards listeners who attend shows and provide feedback, reinforcing the podcast's community-driven focus ([13:57]).

Main Discussion: Harry Hood Mount Rushmore

The core of the episode revolves around selecting the top four live versions of "Harry Hood," a song revered for its emotional peaks and jam segments.

Criteria for Selection

The hosts discuss the difficulty in narrowing down versions due to the song's versatility and the band's ability to infuse different moods and styles into each performance. They emphasize the importance of a rendition's ability to build towards an emotional peak while incorporating unique musical explorations ([17:08]).

RJ's Picks

1. 12/31/93: Described as a foundational version that kicks off the golden era of the song, with Trey Anastasio's delicate riffs building to a perfect peak ([32:33]).

2. 10/23/94: Praised for its muscular and fully realized performance, maintaining a focused build that enhances the song's emotional impact ([38:37]).

3. 11/12/94: Highlighted for its powerful build and patient quiet middle section, making it one of the most refined versions ([43:19]).

4. 7/25/03: Considered a standout for its experiential quality and emotional depth, despite debates on its standalone merit ([52:54]).

Megan's Picks

1. 10/28/14 from Bill Graham: Recognized for its seamless journey and ability to rekindle the song's essence without feeling like a relic ([60:10]).

2. 7/31/03 from Camden: Appreciated for its melodic noodling and atmospheric organ backing, creating a Grateful Dead-esque vibe ([60:10]).

3. 12/5/95 from Amherst, MA: Valued for its dark, rolling jam and unique emotional resonance ([67:49]).

4. 10/28/14 from Bill Graham: Selected for its clean Type 2 jamming and deep emotional impact, showcasing the band's evolved musical prowess ([60:10]).

Brian's Picks

1. 10/23/94: Aligns with RJ's selection, emphasizing its comprehensive build and resolution ([32:33]).

2. 11/12/94: Considers this version as superior to earlier renditions, highlighting its full emotional realization ([43:19]).

3. 12/5/95 from Amherst, MA: Chosen for its unique emotional depth and memorable performance ([75:19]).

4. 7/25/03 from Camden: Selected for its experimental yet cohesive build, maintaining the song's integrity ([75:19]).

Listener Votes and Aggregated Results

After presenting their individual lists, the hosts reveal aggregated listener votes, which lean towards RJ's and Brian's selections, with 12/31/93 and 10/23/94 emerging as favorites. 7/25/03 narrowly wins over other contenders, illustrating the community's preferences ([69:30]).

Controversies and Debates

The selection process sparked debates, particularly around including versions that incorporate environmental interactions (e.g., glow sticks) and balancing musical exploration with maintaining the song's emotional peak. Megan and Brian defend their choices by highlighting the experiential value and the versions' contributions to Phish's legacy ([54:57]).

Honorable Mentions from Listeners

The hosts acknowledge numerous honorable mentions from listeners, including versions like 8/17/97 and 12/28/14, appreciating the diverse interpretations and emotional nuances each rendition brings to "Harry Hood" ([70:04]).

Future Plans and Upcoming Episodes

Looking ahead, the hosts announce plans for future Mount Rushmore episodes focusing on other Phish songs and inviting guest speakers, such as Ray Pachkowski of Lamp and the Trey Anastasio Band. They also tease a special segment dedicated to ear protection for live music fans, underscoring their commitment to enhancing the fan experience ([84:02]).

Notable Quotes

• RJ [32:33]: "This version kicks off the golden kind of era for the song itself. And I think it's just like, it's just awesome."

• Megan [43:19]: "It's so perfect. It's so beautiful. It's absolutely stunning."

• Brian [38:37]: "This is one of those songs where there has to be two versions from the same tour. I think there will be a couple other songs like this."

Conclusion

In "Mt. Rushmore: Harry Hood," HFPod effectively engages Phish enthusiasts in a passionate discourse about one of the band's most beloved songs. Through detailed analysis, listener engagement, and spirited debates, the hosts illuminate the multifaceted nature of "Harry Hood" and its enduring impact on fans. This episode not only ranks outstanding performances but also celebrates the vibrant community that supports Phish's live legacy.

Transcript

[RJ]

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[Brian]

Osiris.

[RJ]

What's up everybody? We are back. We are. We are. I guess we're building Mount Rushmore again.

[Megan]

Yeah, we're starting over again.

[RJ]

We're starting over. We are.

[Brian]

We are. Sisyphus. We are. We are. Just one week we build Mount Rushmore and then the next week we build it all over again. It's a crazy project we've given ourselves, but we're here, we're living in this world.

[RJ]

Yeah, it's a new, it's a new Mount Rushmore, but it's the same Mount Rushmore. It's a different side of the mountain, I guess, you know, but these, these mountains are, they're, they're multi faced, would you say?

[Megan]

Yeah, yeah. There's a lot of mountains in Gamehenge and this is, this is just the second one that we're hitting infinitely.

[RJ]

There's infinite numbers of places to etch things, which is great. So we're in good, we're in good shape. How you guys doing?

[Brian]

I have a question. Are we, are we just, are we etching faces or are we just etching dates? Like, like, does our Mount Rushmore from last week just say 8, 1393, 8, 1797, so on and so forth, or.

[Megan]

If it has like a famous name, maybe it has that. So it's like the Winx, just like, you know.

[Brian]

Yeah, yeah, Riverport, you know, I was.

[RJ]

I was reminded by a listener this week that this song that we're discussing today, which is Harry Hood, is not there. There isn't really. There aren't really named versions. Are a couple, but there aren't many.

[Megan]

Yeah, it's different than Jen. I feel like Jen has so many of those.

[RJ]

So many. And we're gonna. We're gonna have to get. We're gonna have to get into it. We did receive some voicemails. One was from a guy who was doing his delivery route. And I think you had interesting things to say, but I couldn't understand any of it because it kept getting cut out. So call back and leave another message. And there was another call that I wanted to bring up to you guys, which you probably won't even believe me, but. But it did happen. And a guy asked why, during our bathtub gin Mount Rushmore, did it take 34 minutes to talk about the first bathtub gin? And I just. I just want to, like, until we.

[Brian]

Talked about it, or to talk about the first bath of gin.

[RJ]

No, that's until we, like, brought it up, which I think is fair. But. But also we're.

[Megan]

We like to.

[Brian]

Can I just ask a question about comments like this in the year of 2025, like, podcasting has been going on for, like, 15, 17, 20 years at this point in time. Like, I think that we all know that the relationship between podcast and listener is this, like, loose conversational hang where you get to know things about the host that you wouldn't necessarily get to know if it was like, all right, we got the host from HF Pod on here. They got to give us their four best Mount Rushmore versions of such and such song or the next 30 seconds before we get to a commercial break and you have to like, boom, boom, boom. Like, this is not like sports talk radio. This is like long form conversation. Unless you're RJ and you text like, 10 minutes before the show. Hey, I only have like 35 minutes to do the show, so can we get to the content before minute 35? I don't know. I'm. I understand the questions about efficiency, but I feel like podcasting has been established as an inefficient medium for conversation. And like, I, I'm here for it. I'm here for the inefficiency. You know, many times I turn on the big picture and, like, they talk about what meal prepping they did for their kids last week before ever talking about the movie I want to hear about. But, you know, I like listening to them so I'm here for it.

[RJ]

Listen, sorry, this listener said, you know, he called and he said, sir, sir, why did it take you so long to get to the first bathtub gin? Sir?

[Megan]

He did not. Sir.

[Brian]

There are laws in this country.

[RJ]

No, but I didn't play the, I didn't play the voicemail. So to that caller, I'm sorry, but I thought I would, I would summarize it.

[Megan]

Also, if you don't like that part, you can just fast forward. It's really easy to do that on your phone. Although I don't know anybody that listens to HFPOD that wouldn't want to hear this part. When people came up to me this weekend at Reprise, everybody just wanted to tell me all these jokes that they know about from us. Mostly about me winning drafts, but, like, lots of other things, too.

[RJ]

Lots of other things. I'm sure there's other stuff too.

[Megan]

Mostly.

[RJ]

That's, yeah, that's a good one. That sticks out. Um, great. I just appreciate, I appreciate your call and I, I, I do do my best to keep it moving. But also, to Brian's point, this is like how he was hoping to, like, get some bathtub gins by the end of his commute and didn't because we were just talking.

[Brian]

That's, that's definitely a fair point. But I would say to that, like, you have a commute. Don't you want to have, like, multiple commutes with the same podcast? I personally love that when I can pause the pod at like, minute 35 and I'm like, man, I got 35 more minutes to listen to on the way back. We're just giving you multiple commutes out here.

[RJ]

Well, okay, so here's a question. Well, there's not actually. Never mind. There's no questions. We're moving straight through this. I want to say that we had a, we've had like a five or six year relationship with our friends at Sunset Lake cbd, and we have officially reached the end of our last campaign with them as of, like, last week. And so I know that there are people out there listening who have either, who either work in the CBD and hemp space or, you know, you have things that you really like. We love, we love these CBD and hemp and cannabis sponsors. So if you have ideas, send, send them to us. Tell people to support what we're doing, because, you know, we will, we will eat the gummies. We will take this. Just send them to us and we'll, we'll do it. We're Good at that, right, Brian?

[Brian]

I mean, I. I have moved entirely on from the THC gummies to the CBD gummies. Some people tell me that they don't do as much like, I just love the mellow, focused buzz I get from cbd. It allows me to feel at ease while prepping nonsensical banter to take up 35 minutes of your commute time. So I'm here for it. I'm here for it.

[RJ]

We got the vibe gummies from Sunset Lake. I think those were a great, great innovation.

[Brian]

Those are the best ever been created. That is the greatest. That is the greatest gummy in the face of the planet as far as I'm concerned.

[Megan]

I have a competition for that. The greatest gummy on the face of the planet. RJ knows well, but this is one of my favorites. Yeah, for sure. But I like all the gummies, so.

[Brian]

Realize that gummies are now a competition too. All right, cool. Let's draft gummies.

[RJ]

Megan wins.

[Megan]

I'm waiting for that, too. Sorry.

[RJ]

Okay, so if you work in cannabis or CBD or you think there's people you should talk to, just tell us, because there's a lot of companies out there, and, you know, I haven't. I haven't gone through and, like, tried to find any, so. So just someone just tell me what to do. Okay.

[Megan]

RJ Reviews. Can I talk about a company that I'm a little annoyed with right now?

[Brian]

Sure.

[Megan]

Okay, so I just want to tell you I came home from Mondegreen, and I was really happy because dicks hadn't happened yet. And I bought all this merch, like, a lot of merch. And one of the things I bought was an insulated cup. And let me just show you what's happened to said insulated cup. This used to have, like, mondegreen decals all over it. And I have never put this in the dishwasher. I wash it by hand.

[RJ]

Wow.

[Megan]

And I emailed fish dry goods, and do you know what they told me? If I want a new cup, I can buy one.

[RJ]

No way.

[Brian]

Kidding.

[Megan]

I am not kidding.

[Brian]

It's not the message you want to your vocal proponents online who may take 35 minutes to talk about said customer service.

[Megan]

I'm like, wow. Customer service. Like, fish dry goods. I've spent a lot of money with you over the years, and this is really disappointing. And, yeah, so they don't care. It's kind of sad.

[RJ]

Wow. Okay. Well, I'm sorry, Brian. Do you have any.

[Megan]

I'm not gonna get a new cup.

[RJ]

Besides the Non release of stuff 25.99. Do you have any other complaints for Fish or anyone else?

[Brian]

I mean, I just want to notate that my Nalgene from Magna Ball, which was a better festival than Mon and was back before the dark times, amazing festival. RJB and I, we drank some really good beers overlooking the festival grounds. And I also, yeah, I bought this Nalgene there. It's still in great condition. I do put it in the dishwasher. Maybe you're aggressively washing it by hand. That might be. It's.

[Megan]

The Nalogenes are much different. Brian. This is. My Nalogens are great and they last forever and they're great. This one is different. They tried to do some like insulated cup situation and it's. The cup is amazing. But.

[RJ]

Well, so far we're doing great. We're doing great with this. 38 minutes. We might be even further away from Harry Hood than we were yesterday.

[Brian]

I do want to say, I do just want to say. The classic fish rainbow logo tee, one of my favorite T shirts. I own it in multiple colors because I really just enjoy. It's a great fit. I forget exactly what the brand is that they use, but it's just a fantastic thick fit with a nice collar. My one complaint, I have three of these and all three of them have a hole that has developed in the armpit on the right side. I don't know where it comes from. I'm not like aggressively doing this at all.

[Megan]

Weird.

[Brian]

It's a little strange. It seems as though the stitching is coming out in one specific area and all three shirts, one long sleeve, two short sleeve. And I'm just kind of like. Can we just like spend a little bit more time ensuring that all seams here are properly pulled? I mean it's, it's an expensive enough T shirt.

[RJ]

They.

[Brian]

They're always out of various colors. So like you have to like be very selective when you order and what you order. Can we just ensure that these T shirts hold up for like five years? Is that, is that too much to ask? A five year T shirt of your favorite band? That's. That's all I'm asking.

[Megan]

Wait, but Brian, do you have this issues with other T shirts or is it just the fish ones?

[Brian]

It's just the fish ones. Again, very like, I'm, I'm always very impressed when I get them because like the, the, the, the coloring looks really great. It's not like, it's just like, you know, like vacuum or like pressed on. It's like it's like in there. It's really nice. And the major, like, the collar is great. Usually you get these, like, they started making these T shirts in like the mid 2010s. Like, the collar was like that thick. Thick. And I hated that. And it would like, hang down. Like, this is a nice thick collar, but it's like this hole in the armpit. I don't understand what's going on here.

[Megan]

So that's very weird.

[Brian]

Come on. I will pay more. I will pay more to represent my favorite band and then tell people about it. But, like, I expect a little bit higher quality than this.

[Megan]

Yeah, my T shirts. Okay, I'll stop talking about it. But I love a long sleeve T shirt. Everybody should know. That's great.

[RJ]

That's great to know. We'll do that next episode or all our favorite long sleeve T shirts. All right, guys, I love that you.

[Brian]

Are the one that asked these questions and we are giving you answers and whatever.

[RJ]

I had a rhetorical question which was, do you have any complaints? And you were supposed to say, no, sorry.

[Megan]

I did have a complaint today.

[Brian]

I'm just going to assume that this is all your fault and that that's why we're here and you have to deal with it. T shirt draft. I'm T shirt drafts.

[RJ]

Welcome to my life.

[Brian]

Maybe if. Maybe in 2028, when we don't have any more ideas, we'll just do a mountain merch.

[RJ]

All right.

[Megan]

So I better win that Reprise.

[RJ]

Good. Reprise shows this weekend, guys. Reprise is awesome. Brooklyn bowl on Saturday night was awesome. Worcester was great. Saratoga was great. I heard that New Hope last night was great. I couldn't go at every show. Many of our listeners came up to me and just thanked us for the podcast. So thank you guys for coming out and supporting. Supporting that. It's pretty great.

[Megan]

Reprise was unbelievable. I'm not going to take a long time because I know RJ's on the clock, but it was really.

[RJ]

No. Our friend in Texas or wherever who's driving to work is on the clock, not me.

[Megan]

Yeah, it's true.

[Brian]

We're talking about T shirts. What is going on here? We're talking about Harry Hood. I do just want to shout out Evie, dude here. It's comfort colors. That is the brand. And once Fish Like Fish Dry goods switched to comfort colors, the T shirt quality really, really raised. Except for, again, the armpits. The armpits. I don't get it.

[Megan]

I feel like it might be something about you that's really weird. I don't know. We need to look into that. But anyway, what do you have to say about Reprise? Well, I have to say is that to take on 1230 97, one of the greatest Fish shows of all time, when Fish was at the peak of their powers, and play this one night when they're doing three other nights around that, it's just. It's such a monumental task. And they delivered so hard. I mean, the narration was absolutely incredible. Cal just went. He went for it so, so well. And Tom coming out, it was a really special night. And just to get to dance to those songs again, I wanted to take more video, but I was just busy getting down. It's too busy dancing. It was super fun. Brooklyn bowl was packed too. So do not miss them at Brooklyn bowl next time they come through. It was super fun.

[RJ]

Yeah, it's probably going to happen again. You know, one of the coolest things that's happened in the past week, all those Reprise shows and a lot of other stuff, but one of the coolest things that happened is that we got like a bunch of new reviews.

[Brian]

Yeah.

[Megan]

Yes. Awesome. Nice job, rj. Thanks, everybody.

[RJ]

Go to Apple Podcasts and just log in or create an account. Give it five stars, Tell us why you like it, the show that is. And that would be helpful. We Adam in Texas brown ale guy, ant 77007 blue Serb guy who said, some people just do fish better. He was saying that there wasn't. There's not a contest on HF pod, but some people just do fish better. That was in reference to me. Thank you. Blit open and mark canonical stuff for Ben 7:7:7. Thank you. An incredible perp. Thank you for your reviews. I know you guys are listening and here, so thank you guys. Today, guys, we're talking about Harry Hood. And that's. That's. That's what we have to do. It's hard. It's hard work. It's difficult work. But we're here to do it for you, the listener. That's all. That's all. That's my only intro.

[Megan]

Well, I think this was my favorite week. I mean, we've only been doing this for two weeks, but maybe one of my favorite weeks of Fish listening in a really long time. Because I started off the week. I started on Monday when we were filming. We filmed Jen that afternoon. I started that morning. And every morning I listened to two or three of the best Harry Hoods. And by Friday, I'm not kidding you, I was a different person. I am. I had so much joy. I just felt so positive and so Happy. And I rode that through the weekend and I really think it had to do with just listening to the most uplifting thing ever. Like, it was really bizarre. I think I've never listened to. I think we had 23 Harry Hoods and I listened to them all in a row and then I went back and listened to my favorites again twice. So I've listened to a lot of versions of Harry Hood and it was just. It changed my perspective. I've been feeling really happy since then, since Friday, thanks to Harry Hood. I can feel good. I guess.

[Brian]

You can. You're allowed to. It's important.

[RJ]

That's phenomenal. That's phenomenal. Well, I, I think this was a hard task to select the. The top four versions. Harder than last week, I think.

[Brian]

But sure.

[Megan]

Sorry, Brian. But yeah, it's just different. It's different.

[Brian]

It is. No, no, I agree. It's. This is because I think you're right like it. And I think to your point, rj, this is. I think this is up there with Yem down with Z's Tweezer to a certain degree that like you're. There's more than four willing and. And that's not to say that JYN doesn't have more than four willingness as we all. We diverged in some ways on all of our lists. But like Harry Hood is one of those songs that, I mean, it's typically a Late show song that cements a great show or saves a bad show and its placement kind of elevates the show no matter what happened. Like if it's the final song of the second set or if it's the encore or if you get a shock early first set version, like, you know, it elevates what the show feels because it is so historic and also that the entirety of the jam segment is dedicated to three chord bliss jamming. That makes you feel so, so, so damn good. Rj, what was kind of your approach and what were your thoughts about Harryhood going in and as you were preparing for this?

[RJ]

Well, I think the, the reason I think it's difficult is there's not a, you know, there's not. It's not a reflection of where they are musically in the moment, which I think in with. With Beth of Gin certainly, but Tweezer, other jam vehicles there, you know, you're kind of choosing the style of the era or the, or the year or the tour. Right. Like, but with a few diversions. Like it's mostly just. It's a three chord progression and it, it's never Just those three chords, because that's what makes Fish who they are. But it's really just. It's a chord progression that they play in different ways. It's not, you know, Bats have Gin can go in a hundred different directions, really. Like, Harry Hood can go in two directions. And there's. There's really like the one direction is what we're mostly talking about, which is just a build up to a great peak with. With like some frills, you know, And I think that's what makes it hard because there's so many that are equally awesome in that sense.

[Brian]

It's also, as I was listening through and I was kind of considering, what does Harryhood mean to Fish at this point in time? What has it meant to them throughout their whole career? Like when they. When they learned what they had with this song, which I would argue really starts to happen in the spring 92 tour. But I'm sure that they knew this before they realized this is like the emotive, emotional centerpiece of a show and of a set.

[Megan]

Yeah.

[Brian]

And you could really win over people that may have been lost by some of the humor or some of the kind of weirdness. You could really win over listeners knowing that, like, wow, if a band can get to that simple, cathartic peak like Fish gets to in pretty much every single Harry hood from like 1992 to fall of 1994, without going too far off the reservation, like, I will come back just for that. You know, it's. It's like a. It's a. It's a as reliable of a peak as you could ever ask for within Fish's larger catalog, which is a very unique thing.

[Megan]

Yeah. I was thinking about how a live one, the Hood from a live one is something I've played for people who don't know Fish and ask me about it, because to me, it's really kind of the essence of what Fish is about. You know, there's a million reasons why all of us like Fish, but I'm sure every single Fish fan, whether you're a jaded vet, whether you're a noob, whether you're, you know, someone who overanalyzes the band, whether you're someone who loves everything they play no matter what, everyone loves that Harryhood peak and the emotion contained in that. And that is why we go to see Fish, because we like listening to Harryhood. And we know that this band can take this story, this song that's just so. The origin story of it is so funny and so fishy and Turn it into this hugely emotional piece. It's. It's kind of like, you know, Slave is kind of its sister. But even Slave has, like, a lot of, like, silly lyrics that people, I think, turn people off sometimes. But Hood is just so much about the music. And to me, it's always been something that I play people with pride and say, like, this is what Fish can do. And, you know, whether or not they get it, I think it still speaks to why we all keep going back and what is really at the heart of this band.

[Brian]

I think, also to that point. And rj, you hinted at this. I'd love to hear you expand on it, but the idea of, like, Harryhood could have just been what Harryhood was in 1992, 1993, which was this three chord build to a peak. They started messing with it in fall of 94, further in parts of 97, definitely in 2.0, and then throughout parts of 3.0, 4.0, and treating it as a jam vehicle in and of itself, where it leaves the three chords goes off, explores a bunch of different terrain of music as though it were tweezer, as though it were a disease, before working its way back to the peak. And it kind of showcases that, like, even when Fish is as, like, purely and as genuinely just like, emotive as they are during this song. And it's a very sincere build in a lot of ways. Like, is designed to make you feel something and really kind of message something about that. These guys are not just like music nerds. Like, they actually feel the power of music. But, you know, these experimental versions that they've played, there are a handful of them throughout the years. They really kind of reflect where the band is at a given time, while also kind of. They're not going to leave Harry Hood unfinished because they know that the peak is kind of what you came for, even if there's a cool jam segment. But I'm curious your thoughts, RJ, like, going back and forth between. Because this is RJ's week, RJ is picking the four hairy hoods. RJ will take all of your hate because this is a really hard one. This is really hard, hard. Rj, as you were listening through that balance between pure. I think it's DAG peaking and the Type 2 versions that have happened. Like, tell me, like, what it. What those sounded like to you as you were kind of putting together your four.

[RJ]

Well, the good. The good news is that even when I'm not picking, I still get, you know, I still get the. From people because it's like that's, that's just what, that's how it works. So just keep it coming, everybody. It's fine. Yeah, I mean, I, I guess my, I guess my main, I guess my main thing is that we've seen a lot of interesting type 2 hoods recently. You know, where they go, they go into the minor key and then they come back. And to me those are. And this is, you know, this is my opinion. And this is. And I. But I believe it strongly, which is it's only really useful in as much as it leads to the inevitable peak. So if it, if we're like, if we're doing this just to, you know, like the, the summer three versions, really great, really interesting and reflective of the time. Is it different than a long Choctaw torture? Like, not really. It's the same. It's the same thing, except unless it's, unless it is giving you an interesting path back to that ending, that ending peak. So I think it's all in service of that, of making the peak awesome. Because if it's not, then like, I don't really need it. It almost always is, especially the ones on this list. But like, I don't need Harry Hood to be exploratory, I guess is what I'm saying. But if it's going to be exploratory, it better, you know, add to the payoff at the end.

[Megan]

Well, that's interesting because that's one of the problems I had picking this, these four, because when you think about Harryhood, that's what you think about is less about the exploration. And there are a few on here that do, but mostly you think about like that classic hood pe. And if you're really thinking about the four that do that the best, it's a different list than if you're thinking about the four that are varied or speak to where they were in a certain time or so I really struggled being like, do I want to have a list that's diversified and speaks to the range of Harryhood, or do I want to have just like the four best unmissable head peaks? That's challenging, especially because they're all in 1994. I'm just kidding, but kind of.

[Brian]

Are you saying that like the O3 versions are kind of like if a Whig party president was on Mount Rushmore? Like, that was a fun like detour and experimentation here. Nice try with third party guys, but we're really a two party country.

[RJ]

Well, my, I would say my friend is already 25 minutes into his Commute. So I'm not. You know, we're gonna. We're gonna talk about these.03 the hoods soon enough. We sure are. Do you like that, Brian? That's called a cliffhanger in the biz.

[Brian]

So thank you for that. I'm learning so much.

[Megan]

Ten years of podcasting this guy in his commute. He really has a lot of power today. My God, he's, like, running us.

[RJ]

He's basically running it. No, I do. But I do think, like those. There's actually one of the summer three versions that I like more than the other one, because although it's more. Although it's exploratory, it still sticks more closely to what I understand as Harry Hood in a classical sense.

[Brian]

We should put a pin in that. Which is a podcasting phrase, if you guys haven't listened to podcasts before, because I have a lot of thoughts about.

[RJ]

No.

[Brian]

That debate as well. I think it's very interesting, and I have shifted my opinions on it, so there's some foreshadowing as well.

[Megan]

Wow.

[RJ]

Yeah. Look at that. Wow. Okay, Megan, do you want to say anything about Harry Hood before I unveil the first two versions?

[Megan]

Yeah, sure. I'll just say that, you know, the story of Harry Hood is so fishy, and it's the stuff of legends, and I think we all know. But on October 30, 1985, in Hunts in Burlington, Vermont, Fish took the stage and played the first known version of Harry Hood. And this is the story that Trey, during the intro, he told us that it was a story about the man who lives directly across the street from us. And we know that that time they were living across the street from the Hood milk bottling plant. And I love remembering that this is how this story started and thinking about all the details about how there was, like, a little animated character who used to live in the fridge, and their roommate, Brian Long, asked, where do you think he goes when the lights go out? And so. And then we all know the second part of how this music came about. When Trey and Fish were in Greece and almost died and were on a lot of acid and wrote this beautiful music. And I think it's really fun to think about the pieces and how young and playful they were, and to be able to write such a powerful piece of music being so young, to me, is just really speaks to the absolute genius of Trey Anastasio. Yeah. We've got 432 times this song has been played. There are 116 entries on the Jam chart, a fourth of the time played it was jam charted. But most versions are around like 15 minutes and have that little like occasional bliss space before the peak. And there are 23 versions on our long list and four versions in live Bait, so not that many. Which kind of surprised me.

[RJ]

Yeah, yeah, they horrible job. No offense. Like of. Of of releasing some of these hoods.

[Megan]

There are some on here that are absolutely insane that they are not released.

[RJ]

Yeah, it's really bad. I've seen. I've seen Harry Hood 40 times. The second most of any song and the first song I've seen the most is Tweez Times Me.

[Megan]

Same with Me Tweezer.

[RJ]

It's like a big drop off. But I love Harry Hood. They played at every show. Be great. I think. I think Reprise played it three times this weekend.

[Megan]

It was really fun to see Reprise play it on Saturday night when we had been studying it so much. They did an amazing job with it too. But yeah, it was really great to hear that. I've only seen it 19 times, which kind of surprised me.

[RJ]

What?

[Megan]

And I know. And it made me realize I need to be appreciating these even more than I do.

[Brian]

Like, yeah, I've seen it 27 times. It's my second most seen song. Do you know my fourth most seen song is this is crazy. And this is relevant to the podcast. 46 days I've seen 26 times.

[Megan]

No wonder you love it.

[Brian]

Well, how many times have I seen my soul? I just will say the fade from the last. Thank you, Mr. Miner. When the lights go down and then you just get the like blue and green and purple lights is my favorite moment at any fish show I go to. There's nothing like it. It is total peace, total bliss. You know it's about to come. But it's like the band just playing with silence and just playing with your feelings in a really powerful way, man. Just. What a. What a song. That story about them writing it after drowning led me to telling my parents after I read it in the fish book. I told them I wanted to study abroad in Italy. And they said, why? And I showed them this, which is probably a mistake for a 16 year old to make. And they're like, you're not going to Italy anytime soon. Shut up.

[RJ]

That's awesome.

[Megan]

You're not going to be taking drugs on a beach.

[Brian]

What are you talking about? Graduate high school first.

[RJ]

I. I think, Brian, that moment and the. And the moment when the Reba jam starts, those are the two best, best parts of a fish show that you.

[Megan]

Can Reba is the same way. Yeah, I agree. I think either one of those songs, if you're in the room when Fish is playing it live, you're. That's the only place you want to be. That's a special moment. I never take that for granted. I know there's some amazing hoods on this list that are outdoors, but to me, Harryhood always hits the hardest indoors because it's just everything feels so, like, close and captured and tight, and I love hearing it inside.

[RJ]

Yeah. All right. All right, so here we go. I just want to say I could easily make the case for eight at least to be in the top four, but that's why we are here, 100%, you know, so I'm gonna. You know, if you disagree, which everyone's going to like, just fine, you know, it's fine with me.

[Brian]

I think this is going to be one of those that we slightly get wrong and may have to do a second Mount Rushmore episode about. Not because you're going to get it wrong.

[Megan]

He's already saying you're doing it wrong.

[Brian]

That's not what I'm saying. It's just really hard. It's Harry Hood. I'm sure that between the three of us, we have 20 versions.

[RJ]

Sure.

[Megan]

Really hard. Yeah.

[RJ]

Yeah. I mean, the good news is I got mine exactly right. So we're. We should be good on this.

[Megan]

Perfect.

[Brian]

Okay, fair point.

[RJ]

So. So. All right, so am I. Am I going.

[Brian]

Let's go with your number one pick here, rj. Tell us what is.

[RJ]

And we're going chronologically. That is how we're doing it.

[Megan]

Yeah.

[RJ]

For the whole series. It just has to be.

[Megan]

Has to be correct.

[RJ]

Has to be right. Okay, so the first one is 1231 93. So here's my. Here's my thinking on this. First of all, it's a huge moment for them. This is their biggest, biggest show to date. It's an amazing year that led up to this broadcast on FM radio. Like, you know, the whole show is just incredible. But the auld lang syne tease right at the beginning of. Of the jam, and it's so delicate and quiet. And Trey's build is just. He's keeps playing these riffs over and over, building up to, like, get to the top of this mountain. And I just think, like, the peak and the way that they build it up, it just. It meets the occasion of this, like, kind of, you know, biggest New Year's show yet sort of thing. And I also think that this version, like, kicks off the golden kind of era for the song itself. And I think it's just like. It's just. It's awesome. I think the riffs that he. That Trey plays, he's as. As with a lot of 93. He's just on top of the jam the entire time, but, like, building in a very delicate, patient way to this, like, awesome peak. And the crowd, you get the crowd noise is great. It's just like a. It's a perfect, you know, early version that kind of sets off this the next couple years.

[Megan]

Yeah, I really like that pick. I like the context of it. I like thinking about it's what kind of leads to 94, which is such one of like the big true first golden age of this song. And I really like that you chose this. I love the old Lang Zhang, like, floating in the space of Hood when he's like teasing that. So pretty. Trey's tone is like just perfection. And I love the way he leads the group so frantically, but in the best way towards the peak. It's really. It's an awesome, good choice. I didn't see that coming. I like it.

[RJ]

Thanks, Meg. Brian, what do you got? What did I do wrong so far?

[Brian]

I don't think you did anything wrong. I think, like, I really, really debated. This is on my honorable mentions, which I'll explain when I. When I get there. I really, really went back and forth. I think I listened to this version more than any other on the list just to be like, am I making the wrong move here by taking this off of my own personal Mount Rushmore? I think there's no version of any Fish song that was beaten over my head more than this. On Fantasy Tour between the years, like 2001 and 2010, any time someone made like a noob related comment, someone was like, just go and listen to 1231 Hood and come back when you've learned who fishes. You know, like, it is. It is one of those versions that if you don't know it by heart, like, you're. You don't really know, like you're kind of doing it wrong. This is like, you know, like listening to Please Please Me as you know, for the Beatles, like, this is like the foundational. Foundational. I think I'll explain more about why I didn't have it on my full list when I get there. But it's mainly. This has all the parts. It's, it's, it's. This is like the. The construction of the house. You see the blueprint. Everything has been figured out. I think that they do this version. Version slightly better a little bit later, which we'll get to.

[RJ]

I will say, I think there's at least. I think there's one other Mount Rushmore jam from. From that show that I think we'll. I think we'll eventually get to. It'll certainly be on my. On my list, but I think I.

[Brian]

Know what you're talking about. That show. Can we just talk about more gripes with the fish organization? How in the hell has it been?

[Megan]

It's crazy.

[Brian]

And we don't have a box set of 1230 and 1231 93.

[RJ]

What is 1230? Is a good point.

[Megan]

Yeah.

[Brian]

Both back to back. These are, like, two of the greatest fish shows of all time.

[RJ]

I mean, you got the FM sound, so it's like, you know, it's not.

[Brian]

Oh, yeah. I really love the, like, high treble on that. That's great. It sounds awesome.

[Megan]

It should be archivally released. These are, like, some of the most important shows they ever played.

[Brian]

Thank you.

[RJ]

It's called managing a catalog of assets, guys. Look it up, as they say in the biz.

[Brian]

All right, so what are we waiting for? Like, the 50th anniversary? They're not playing any shows.

[RJ]

I think it's like, Trey's grandkids are like, all right, what are we going to do now? What do we got left?

[Megan]

What do we got left? We got Worcester to come out.

[RJ]

We should release Big Cyprus, but let's wait until the 100th anniversary of Big Cyprus.

[Megan]

Exactly.

[RJ]

Really? Ready?

[Brian]

Wait, wait, wait. Okay, now.

[RJ]

All right. Okay. So. All right, let's go. Let's go. You guys ready? We're getting into the best.

[Brian]

Dude, I'm ready. I think you're doing a great job. I think you're doing a great job. And I think that I re. Listened to our episode from last week. You were so encouraging to me. I think that we should really make these episodes as, like. Like, I love you so much. You're doing a great job. We're gonna pick knits, but you're doing a great job.

[RJ]

Thanks.

[Megan]

Because the drafts are so bloodthirsty that we have to be sweet on these. I agree with that.

[Brian]

They're in our comments section and, like, very aggressive right now. We're not even drafting. My God.

[RJ]

This is what happens in, like, the political world. Like, there. There are factions, you know, being created. You know, there's, like, the Meghan Faction, which is the biggest, and then there's the Brink Maniacs, and then there's a couple of people who think I'M smart, according to that one review. And so, you know, we look at our people.

[Brian]

Okay, tell you what, the Brigg Maniacs are like, policy wonks that, like, get, like, 1% of their bill, like, actually through in the final vote. Yeah.

[RJ]

They're just there for the symbolic. They're there to make the votes that they care about.

[Brian]

I mean, I know who I represent.

[RJ]

Come on.

[Brian]

You go, rj. You go.

[RJ]

Okay. All right, so we're entering the best year for Harry Hood now. 1994. I think it's. There's at least four versions that you could argue. I think that could be on.

[Megan]

Yeah.

[RJ]

On here. And I'm leaving a lot. I'm leaving a lot. Okay, so I'm going straight to 1023, 94. This is. This is the. It's. It's iconic. And it, like, if you're not. It's kind of what you said about 1231, 93. I mean, if you don't know this Harry Hood, like, note for note, then, like, I don't know what to tell you, but I do think it's that, you know, every. Every Trey riff, every moment of this is burned into my memory. Um. Is it the best version ever? Maybe. I mean, it's. It's. There's a little bit of a diversion, but it, like, largely stays on track. And it's what's hard about it. There's so many perfect versions. And that's the thing about this, right? Like, there. There is no perfect version of Bathtub Jen. Bathtub Jin is just like a thing that is a sponge of the. Of the era or the time or the tour. This is like. There are a lot of perfect versions that have, like, little things that are different. And to me, you know, the build, the. The trilling from Trey, the peak, I mean, it's hard. But if you look at the other versions around this time, like, this one builds the tension in the. In those kind of, like, little diversion, but keeps it really lean and focused. Yeah, it's like a great story. It's like, it takes you on a little path, but then it, like, it's. It's tight. It's, like, focused, but it, like, builds enough tension that it. That it makes it unique and stand out. And they chose to memorialize it on their best selling album they've had. And so, you know, like, what am I supposed to do here? This is. This is. This is a Mount Rushmore version. But I also think maybe it's the best version ever. And if it is, then that's probably the only time they've ever chosen the best version ever to release.

[Megan]

I mean, I have a contender for the other one that I think is the best, but I think this one is, it's, it has to be on the list.

[RJ]

It's kind of like the Mirror at Gin, I think in that like they, it's, they reference it. They like memorialized it themselves and it's fan selected.

[Megan]

Yeah. Felt the power of it.

[RJ]

I don't know. Brian, what are your thoughts on this?

[Brian]

I think you've said it. I think you're 100% correct on everything you said here. So it's, I'm just searching for like little thread lines to add on to. The one thing I will say that I think you hinted at is like this combines that pure 123193 approach of just like, let's sit in the chordal progression and let this slowly build. And the riffs are everything. And like the peak is so well earned, but it has that like 90 second dip out into space and into weirdness that adds another, like, that's a part of Hood history as well, is when they figured out ways to break out of it, I think to an argument that you were making 10 minutes ago, which I hope you know, our listener listening to his commute is happy with 10 minute, you know, going back to like 10 minutes ago that we were talking about Hood. Like sometimes the type 2 versions don't resolve themselves properly. And that is a big knock because, and especially you saw this in 3.0 and parts of 4.0 where they would get to the peak and they just, they didn't have it. They couldn't actually deliver the peak. This one has the perfect build, the diversion and then the return. And the peak is so heavy and intense. Is this the best version ever done? I, I, I, I think possibly, probably, like really, really, like could be the best one that's ever happened. I know I got kicked out of a dive bar multiple times because I put this on the Internet jukebox.

[Megan]

Yeah. And it's not the vibe that people wanted.

[Brian]

And people were like, why are you doing, why are you putting fish on again? Brinkman? And I was just like, can you just list, like, I know it's 15 minutes long, but can we have a little bit of patience?

[Megan]

I think that like thinking about the ones right around it that are really great, like thinking about the 10, 2094 from St. Petersburg, which is like, has that like exploratory, freewheeling, off the deep end vibe. Like Providence Bowie hints. And then the 11, 12, 94, Kent one, which is like one of my favorite things ever. This is kind of in the middle of those, right? Like, the Kent has, like, it's all just so quiet and patient. And it's got that stunning, like, huge build with, like, the solo that could change the world from Trey. And then St. Petersburg has got the exploratory. And the live one is just kind of like in the middle of that. So maybe it is the perfect one. I think the perfect hood has to be from fall 94. Like, there's no other place it could be from.

[Brian]

So that's the era.

[Megan]

Yeah. I think we should just say that this is the best one. I don't know. I feel like it kind of is.

[RJ]

I think it probably is. I mean, because we're going chronologically. If you're. If you're adept at numbers and calendars, you'll see that there was one left out already, so. Which I'm sure we'll talk about from three days prior. Or wait, did I just. Did I just go in the future? No, no, no. Yeah, that other one is from three days prior, which I did not include. So we're gonna have to talk about that one because. Because that's a good. Because it's a good distinction. But I assume that one of you has it. But if you don't, then we should talk about it after or now if neither of you have it.

[Megan]

Wait, the one that I just said 10:20.

[Brian]

Yeah, I have that on my honorable mentions. Like, I have the four Mount Rushmores that I have four honorables, because I was just like, there's too many great versions.

[RJ]

So this is on all of our honorable mention list.

[Megan]

Yeah, I have five honorable mentions and this is on mine.

[Brian]

Yeah, I think 10:20 should absolutely be heard. We're talking about a 20 minute version of Harry Hood in the fall of 94. Like, if you're not listening to this, what are we doing? Like, these are the. Like, come on. These are the versions that we. We seek out. I think where it fell off for me from the Mount Rushmore is. I don't totally think that you can have. Man, maybe this will happen. Maybe I'm just shooting myself in the foot for what I'm about to say. But, like, I don't think you can necessarily have, like, the Mount Rushmore versions be, like, literally three days apart. I think that, like, I know. Tell the story of the band. To tell the story about this song. Any of these songs, they have to kind of like, show different eras. Also, I think that it gets a little bit too in the weeds of the experimentation, which hints at another experimental version that I left off of my list, which we'll talk about later in the episode. I just think that 1023 gives you enough type 2 jamming while retaining the power of Hood that I dropped 1020 just slightly.

[RJ]

Yeah, that's kind of what I was. That was. That was. The choice was between the two, you know, And I think that because of the. What you just said, that's. Yeah, same here.

[Brian]

I think you made the right choice. Even if it's on a live one.

[RJ]

Yeah.

[Megan]

There's a reason it's on it. I mean. Yeah, it's not like I don't think.

[Brian]

A live one is a live one without.

[Megan]

Yeah, exactly. And they spent so much time thinking about songs to put on here. Like it, you know.

[RJ]

Yeah, yeah.

[Brian]

And like every version on everything on that album is a top version. But, like, I think we all would agree there is a better tweezer from fall 94.

[RJ]

Yeah.

[Brian]

There are potentially bigger slaves. There's. You know, that. That stash is pretty perfect for Stash, but, like, this being the representation of Hood, I think makes the whole album what it is.

[RJ]

Yeah. Okay, cool. All right, let's take a quick break, and then let's get to the other two. And then we. Then we're gonna have to hear Brian and Megan's picks, which is actually more interesting. Okay.

[Brian]

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[RJ]

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[Brian]

Jefferson to Lincoln and then Lincoln and Roosevelt.

[RJ]

Yeah. Okay, so Jefferson and Lincoln. This doesn't really work because we're only going forward less than a month because we're staying in fall 94. Megan mentioned this, but the 111294 version is. It has to, it has to be on here. Ultimately, my. One of my notes says, ultimately, this version makes me, quote, feel good. Isn't that why we're here? But also this, the quiet, the, like, the, the way that they build the tension with the quiet in the middle makes everything so much more powerful. And this might be the best version from this tour. I mean, this might be the. This is like the, with the big ending and the, the quiet middle section. I've listened, I listened to this like 20 times to make sure that it was, that it was the right choice. And I feel like between this and the live one version, like, if you had two versions of Harry Hood that you were going to listen to and you had those two, like, you'd be happy. I don't, I don't think that there's like a good argument for not taking two fall 94 hoods, but I also think that these might be the two best. So I think 1112's got to go up there. What do you guys say?

[Megan]

100% agree. This listening back was maybe my favorite one I listened to. I just. I think it's so perfect. It's so beautiful. It's absolutely stunning. It has maybe the hugest build ever. I mean, it's. I love it. I love the patience. So quiet. Thank God we have this arc heavily released. That was well done.

[Brian]

This is on my list. This is the version that knocked 123193 off because to me, when I listen back, they are that similar approach to hood, whereas 1023 is a little bit more let's get weird, but also have the peak. This feels like the difference between whatever gear the band had in December 1993, whatever operation they had, like, whatever however they were recording their shows, however they were approaching their jams by 11 months later, they are able to play straight a straightforward version of Harry Hood. While also just like it sounded. Sounds a little bit more muscular. Sounds a little bit more like, you know, a fully realized version that is not shade on 1231 93. So, you know, whoever's coming at me in the chats here right now, just cool, Cool down. I love 1231 93. To me, if you're building the Mount Rushmore and you're taking the approach of Mount Rushmore, a live 1 and 1020 or an 11 12. Excuse me, are your. Washington Jefferson, but yeah, that's me. I'm not gonna. I think RJ's doing a great job here. I think this is a difficult task. I think you're absolutely right. Yeah, there. This is one of those songs where there has to be two versions from the same tour. I think there will be a couple other songs like this maybe by default as we get into, like, the more 3.0, 4.0 songs that have hit 50 versions and qualify for this. But when you look back at fall 94, you think of a couple things. Basie, weird, crazy, jazzy jams, and Harry Hood at its absolute best. Also blue. Yes.

[Megan]

It's in bluegrass. Yeah, I was just gonna say that.

[RJ]

It's. It's really. You talked about it earlier, Megan, in terms of what makes this one good. I mean, I think it. You know, the. The quiet contrasting with the peak is just, you know, you. It's. It's really hard to. To recreate that. All right, so now it's the last one before we. Before we hear listeners. Brian and Meg. This is going to be controversial because you can't, you know, you can't. I don't have the same four. Yeah, it is hard, but it was not hard for me ultimately after. It was hard for a very long time, which is when I eventually chose it. So I had to do this and I'll tell you why. Although I did have a question while we're talking about it. So our final, the final version that we're adding to the mountain is the Wendt hood. So I'll tell you why.

[Brian]

All right.

[RJ]

Well, actually I'll tell you about the question first so you can think about that and then answer it when I'm done describing it, which is the art jam is kind of an integral part of this hood. So. But it's not part of the song, you know. So like does that detract from it in that it. It. The. The crowd noise and the excitement with what's going on with the fan created art during the jam is part of what makes this to me one of the top versions. Is it. Does it count as a standalone version if it's. If there's like something else going on that preceded it? I mean, maybe that's the case with every concert. There's stuff that happens before and then the stuff that happens after. But I think that you hear the crowd build. I think this is one of the most emotionally powerful versions of the song. I mean this set, this whole set is like, is just like a release of emotion the entire time, like every, every song. So I feel like it's part of that. But there's also this part of the crowd building up and then the band building up to the peak and then Kuroda turning off the lights and you know, this whole. It's. It's also this moment in time that everyone knows about and it. What an amazing scene to be a part of. And I feel like that is why it has to be there as this like seminal moment in fish history. But also really emotionally powerful Jam and Peak because of all the other stuff that was happening around it.

[Brian]

Is this in favor of plastic light up glow sticks being thrown in the air and then left for.

[RJ]

Yeah, this is way before anyone cared about that.

[Brian]

Like, you know, essential workers to come through and throw them into plastic bags and then throw them away? Yeah, you did. Really loved it.

[Megan]

Loved it.

[Brian]

He had no idea the environmental implications of glow stickers.

[RJ]

What do you guys feel about. How do you feel about this?

[Brian]

It's not on my list, but I don't think it's necessarily wrong based on the reasons you've laid out. I think my pushback is simply that it's shares so much thematically with the previous versions that we've listed here. I also. And we'll talk about this. I do think that we have to have some representation outside of 1.0 for Harryhood. But that said, this does something very interesting to the series that I've just added a new update to our spreadsheet. The Mount Rushmore shows slash Mount Rushmore sets. Because now we have two 81797 set, two jams on our Mount Rushmore, which really says a lot. This should be an interesting exploration of the best shows and sets as well. Just based on how we come about this. It's incredibly rare to have two versions in the same show on par with the Wench in and the Went Hood, let alone the same set. I guess my. My, my only. Well beyond what I've said. But the last reason I would not have it on my list is I do tend to think of. Whereas the Went Gin is like its own thing, but also a part of the set, I think the Went Hood is more a part of the set than its own thing. I don't know if that makes sense, but like, that's kind of how I hear it. As like a part of a piece rather than an individual jam. So no real knock. I think you're doing a great job. I think it's a very interesting pick and very much this is the reflection of, you know, the. The sculptors making. Doing their work.

[RJ]

I want to respond to that, but. Megan, go ahead. If you go first.

[Megan]

I've just. I've just always felt that this is such an experiential hood. Like this is so much about the experience and you know, it's on Bittersweet Motel. It's like got the crowd yelling. It's so much about like the experience of being at a festival and how the band communicates with the audience at a festival and how important that is to Fish and how fishy that whole thing is. And I love the banter, you know. Yeah, it's incredibly optimistic. Is really uplifting climb. You've got the crowd just screaming during the build. Like it's. It's a moment in Fish history for sure. So I can see why you chose it. It's not on my list, but it makes sense to me.

[RJ]

I'm just saying, to your point, Brian, this is. This is what Harryhood is. That's what it is. It's a. It's a. It's a song to a beautiful peak. That's what the song is for. That's I'm telling you, that's my. That was my main reason.

[Brian]

That's a good reason. I don't.

[Megan]

Separating it away from the music almost like the experience, because, like, musically, this isn't like my favorite hood, but, like, experientially, you're saying this is, like, the peak of what hood should be.

[RJ]

I think it's one of the best. Yeah. But I. But I also think that the. When I'm thinking about what makes Harry Hood great, it is this. And like I said at the beginning, I don't. I think the first version that dropped off of the top four was 73103. Because I think it's a really good version. I think it. It's. It. It sticks more to, like, the classic Harryhood emotionally, but also is exploratory. Not as much as the one before that, which I'm sure we'll talk about. But this is this. These four are like. I would. I could hand these four to anyone and say, this is what Harry Hood is, and it would be clear. Yeah, you get diversity, you get diversions, but ultimately this is a song that builds to an awesome emotional peak. And that's what I was. That's what I was looking for. So to me, like, these are the. Represent those peaks best. So that's where. That's it. That's what I got.

[Megan]

The fact that we have to listen to people in the audience talking during this is a crime against humanity.

[RJ]

Well, we should go back.

[Brian]

Speaking of shows that need to be released in full, where is the great.

[Megan]

We have two Mount Rushmore versions on there, and it's not even archival released. This is, like, unbelievable.

[RJ]

There was one version I listened to 321.93, and the only thing that was in my notes, besides there's some fun guitar effects stuff early on is like, why is everyone talking during the jam? It's like everyone was like, hey, let's catch up.

[Brian]

It's like the thought I have when I, like, catch that people are, like, walking up the stairs out of their seats at a fish show is. I'm just like. Like, when the band is on stage, I'm like, where are you going? Like, unless, like, my soul or Funky Bitch is playing, like, what? What are you doing? Like, what is this?

[Megan]

I don't know. Maybe that's it.

[Brian]

Yeah, maybe it's rogue every time I look up.

[RJ]

All right, so Megan, you. You share yours now because Brian got. Brian and I now have both had the stage. Brian. We're going to come back to Brian. But I want to hear. I want to hear. I want to hear what you got.

[Megan]

Okay, so I have two diversions from your list.

[RJ]

Great.

[Megan]

I have a live one. I have the Kent 11, 1294, and then I have the Camden 73103. And this is my wildest pick. And I don't know, I just decided to go for it. I chose the 102814 from Bill Graham because I really wanted to have, like. I wanted to have a 3 or 4.0 Harryhood, just because I didn't love just having this idea of this song being, like, such a relic. Like, to me, it's still an important song, obviously, but, like, I think it still goes places and it still inspires them, and I just decided to have that one on there. But I think the 73103 Camden is definitely needs to be on the list for me. I think it just is. So it kind of brings in that spacey intro. Like, when they start doing the spacey intro, that's such an important change in Hood when that starts coming in, and it becomes so cemented in O3. And this jam is so melodic, and it sounds like Trey is channeling Jerry Garcia. It's just all this, like, really melodic noodling, and there's this huge organ underneath it. It sounds to me like. Just brings me back to, like, being outside listening to the Grateful Dead. It's just the way it melts into that rhythmic space. It's. It's so compelling. And then Paige comes in and plays that Hood riff so softly. After this, like, long journey, It's. This is, like, definitely incredible. And I think this version is one of the most special and unique versions of Hood, so I wanted it on there.

[RJ]

Yeah, that's fair. That is.

[Brian]

I think that's the sound. Hold on. Did you hear that?

[RJ]

What?

[Brian]

Did you hear that? That's the sound of Meg winning the draft with the 102814 Harry Hood. The fans out there, like, oh, yeah. Best. Best Mount Rushmore ever.

[RJ]

I agree with you about the O3 one. That was the first one to fall off.

[Megan]

As I mentioned, it was killer. But I do think that, like, having, like, the 1020, I know it's kind of harder to defend, but the other ones that. Well, I have a bunch of other honorable mentions, which we'll talk about, but this one is just a really seamless journey. It's got, like, these fun teases in the front end, and then it's just super fluid, interesting the whole time. And it's such a big year for Hood. Like, Hood Had a great year. It starts like in that Great woods at 7:1. Like there's just really great versions of Hood this year and this whole set. Speaking of a great set. Incredible. Killed them all. Awesome set, awesome set, Killer show. I just. Yeah, I felt like it'd be nice to have like a contemporary hood, if you will.

[RJ]

Yeah, I mean I. I would. Yeah, I think that's fair. Your point is fair. It's not a relic. I mean our last version of bathtub gin on Mount Rushmore is, you know, from 22 years ago. So you know, we're. We're not. We're not really like representing the modern era, which I don't think is bad. I think it's still like we still love these songs. I mean I would, I would choose like some of other hoods that aren't jam charted that I've loved because it's still awesome, you know? Yeah, it's still awesome.

[Brian]

I was thinking about that because there was a comment earlier about someone's favorite. I forget who it was, so I apologize. But someone's favorite hood was the Harry hood Encore from 44 98, which is not a jam charted version, which is insane because it's a great version that's coming after a second set that I think is absolute fish perfection. Birds 2001 brother with a jammed out version. Ghost into Lizards Bowie. And then they come out and they play Harry Hood like Lizards Bowie encore break Hood. Like can you think of a more iconic fish? It's like, you know, that's just. That's incredible stuff and that's not jam charted. It's not on my list. But it is like reflective of. You can see a version of Harry Hood that changes your life. Even if it's not the best version. Like that is. The challenge with this song is even the like B tier versions of Harry Hood are outstanding and are some of the most emotional things that are experienced musically. I think it's a really good list. I think it's a very bold and brave call to go 10, 28, 14. I respect it. I think it's an important note that Harryhood is still reinventing itself so deep in the band's career, which speaks to where the band is really at. And I think if that's not on my list, but I think that it's definitely a right call.

[Megan]

Thanks.

[RJ]

Sure is on your list.

[Megan]

Yeah. Yeah. Let's hear it.

[Brian]

So I've got three of four with Meg and I've got three of four with our dude, Ev. Dude. So I started with the 102394 version, a live one. Then I went to 1112 94, as we've noted, I think that you have to have two fall 94 versions. I think those are the two best. I then went a little bit different and I went with probably my favorite version of Harryhood that has ever been played, which is 12595 from Amherst, Massachusetts. Show that has a killer bathtub gin as well. That just missed my list there. You know, it's funny, I remember when I was collecting a lot of tapes and I was downloading shows and like you couldn't just go on re listen and listen to any show beyond 1231. 93 people were always telling me to listen to 1230 95, which is a great, great, great version. But as I went, as I started listening to like 1295 in full, 12595 and 121795 always hit me a little bit harder than 12 30. And 125 has that same kind of move that the live one version does where it gets to the peak and then it's like, nope, nope, nope, not yet. And it just diverts for like three minutes. And RJ may decide to argue me here right now and say, hey, you just said you can't have Kent and Worcester. You know what, it's my list. I can do whatever the I want. You know, you're doing a great job. I think I'm doing a pretty good job here too. So. 1023-941112-94125, 95. And then I had the Camden 03 version. And I think this is an interesting point of conversation because, you know, the first Harry Hood I ever saw was an encore Harry Hood from 7 1803. And that is the first real version that tour that diverts. And I remember being there and being like, whoa, they're not playing Harry Hood anymore. What the hell is happening? They figured a way back and then it happened twice more. It happened in Charlotte and it happened in Camden. And I think the Charlotte version gets a lot of love because it goes so far out into the unknown. The return and the peak is really non existent. And if you listen to that version, I think a lot of the mostly unfair critique that 2.0 fish gets exists in that version. It's very long and very kind of stumbles a little bit at times. I think that you texted this to us, Meg. That 731 version, they really connect around a theme. They build and expand and that theme never goes too far from Hood. So when they return to it, they are fully Locked in. And it's a very, very good peak two. Well, we're not at honorable mentions yet, so I'll just pause there. Keep praise and or hate on my list, as you will.

[Megan]

I just want to say the 12 5. 95, it has that dark, rolling jam, and it's so. It's kind of a watery version of the usual hood climb. Like, it has, like, a really unique feel to it. It's really, really cool. I liked that one a lot too. Cool picks.

[RJ]

I'm surprised that 725 didn't make it on any of the lists, but I do think it's. You know, it is just like a. It's a. It's a Summer Oh 3 jam. It's exploratory, and it's sick.

[Megan]

It's really cool.

[RJ]

Weird, and it's cool and fun, but it. It to me, sounds like a lot of the other summer 03 jams without the. The. Without the thing that makes it what. It's what it's supposed to be.

[Megan]

You know what's really good about that version too. I think that a lot of versions do this that I was surprised about is that they can find their way back into hood really well. You know, Trey's not always great at reentry, and I think hood they are. They're really good at reentry and hood. Like that one especially, like, there's this, like, weightlessness at the end and then this effortless creep back in. It's so good. And then it fades into Bowie after, which is like, yes, so good.

[RJ]

But, yeah, it's crazy. Okay.

[Brian]

It's crazy. They could probably re. Enter Bowie pretty easily, too.

[Megan]

Well, that's what I was thinking. Like, if you can just do this.

[RJ]

No, it's not gonna happen. Okay, so here's what we got. Here's we got from the fans. You guys ready for the. We're gonna do the. The aggregated fan vote, and then we'll talk about a couple individual fan votes. Okay. We got 12.31.93, 10.23.94, 8, 1797, and 7 2503. Those are the versions that received the most.

[Megan]

Oh, they picked 25. Oh, interesting.

[RJ]

Yep.

[Megan]

Out there.

[RJ]

And the 1231, 93 had the most votes. I don't know if it's because it was first chronologically on the list. I mean, of the notable versions, because there are a few other ones before that. Um, and then 1023, 94. And then the went. And then the. The 72503 beat out 12595 and 1230, 95 by one vote each. So it's all pretty close.

[Brian]

There's some. Some great. This is a very hard list to put together.

[RJ]

It is, yeah.

[Brian]

Can I share two honorable mentions I had?

[RJ]

Yeah, I want to talk about a couple individual listeners picks but I can do that. That after. Or.

[Brian]

No, no, no, talk about. There's them first.

[RJ]

Okay, let's. We'll just do a couple. We got a bunch and thank you guys for. And we'll keep doing this and. And invite you to share yours. Chad blitz had 1231, 93, 1023, 94, 8, 1797 and 8, 8, 9 8. That was the.

[Megan]

That was. That's one of my honorable mentions.

[RJ]

Okay. And then we had a. We had a heavy, heavy October 94 with 1231-9310-2094-1023 94. And then went he. That. That was from Bloo2e. You know we know him. Assume it's a him. He. He comments Bluey. Yes. He also listed 1231.98 as one that would. That should. We should listen to gray version with.

[Brian]

The glow snake around the stage. Yeah, that was a killer version.

[RJ]

A couple more. Matt Power has 7194 which was on definitely up was in contention for me. 11, 1294, 3, 1897 and 8, 8. 98. With a shout out to 97. Yeah, with a shout out to 715.98. And then Jeremy, our friend Jeremy who. Who is. Who is texting me and I think he was trying to. To sway my votes but didn't. Didn't completely work. No, he had 8893-123193-52794 and 1112 94. So that was like. Yeah, that's Charlie very much. No, that's Jeremy.

[Brian]

Okay, that's. It's a very. That's a very vet pick.

[RJ]

Yeah, it is.

[Brian]

527.94 rules. That's a great call.

[RJ]

There were some votes for 10, 28, 14. There were some people who put the 2010, you know, December run version on there which, which I thought was fine. It's very, very much of the time of the Plinko jam. Like I didn't get a ton out of that personally but what do you guys have in terms of honorable mentions? I got a couple. But Megan, what do you.

[Brian]

Can I just defend 1228 14, 122810 here for a second before we all.

[Megan]

Yeah, yeah, like go for it.

[Brian]

I didn't really feel. I don't know how much you guys were like, listening to fish in 2010. But like that Mo and I know Incredible Purple referenced this earlier. Like that moment was one of those, like, okay, it's gonna be okay. They may play a 27 song first set, but if we can get like a Harry Hood like that, we're gonna be back at some point in time. Like that is. That was one of those. I still believe versions, so that's fair. Not on my own dimensions, but let's not scoff at it. Okay? Come on.

[RJ]

The little staccato thing, that trade is fine.

[Brian]

Little stuff. What else could he do? He couldn't solo. He had to figure out new ways to play his guitar.

[RJ]

It's not my fault. Okay, Megan, Megan, what are your honorable mentions?

[Megan]

I think the. The first one to hit off my list was 8. 8 93. Just because after top tours, you know, I really believe in the power of. Of August 1993. I think it's so important, and I actually really wanted to have a hood from this period and in my list. And I think that's just an incredible version and super important thinking about what was happening for them in August 93. Then I had three 1897 from Hunts on there as well. And then we've talked about the other ones. I had like 10, 20, 94 from St. Petersburg. I had the Went, and I had 725 from Charlotte.

[RJ]

Yeah, I think that the 31897 is. You know, that's an interesting one because we know that was the release party for fish food, right? It was at.

[Megan]

Yeah, like the water wheel event.

[RJ]

Yeah, yeah. And the launcher Water wheel and that other. It's like a pretty. Just very standard show. Like, it's not a great show, but. But the hood is.

[Brian]

But it has a hood.

[Megan]

The hood is amazing. Save the show. Yeah, yeah. Kind of like 12:30, 24.

[RJ]

It's got a lot of. It's got a lot of patience, especially because it was like a, you know, it was a party and they were like. They had guests. They had like. It. It's. It. It has a lot of patience for something that felt like probably a stressful kind of night and event to put together. But, you know, they like a lot of interplay and a lot of really patient playing, and it's a really good. It's a really good version.

[Brian]

Really?

[Megan]

Yeah. If they want to open a show. Oh, yeah, exactly. The space effects. Yeah. Also, if they want to open a show with Cinnamon Girl, I'm okay with that.

[Brian]

Yeah, Well, I saw one Cinnamon Girl. I'm very happy to get any. Any Fish playing Crazy Horse. Come on.

[Megan]

Oh, yeah.

[RJ]

Yeah. Baker's Dozen. That's what. That's what Baker's Dozen was for. Getting that.

[Brian]

I was at Middle Weekend, baby. Just take me back. One of the best runs. They couldn't really jam as we explored last year, you know, not. Not like they can now, but they tried. That was the key. A lot of. A lot of rare songs. Is it my turn now?

[Megan]

Yeah. Let's hear your honorable mentor.

[Brian]

So I had for the honorables. 12, 31, 93. Which is going to get me scorned by fish bros. Everywhere. 10, 20, 94. We've talked about this excellent version. Very experimental, very weird. And then I had two that I don't think we've talked about yet. 8, 10, 97. This is the left field selection rather than doing the D G. And this also closes the first set, which is one of my favorite moves Harry Hood can do. When Harry Hood is played in the first set, there is nothing like it.

[RJ]

I was at that show.

[Brian]

You were at the show. Outstanding show. I'm picking it because you were at this show more than the music.

[Megan]

Yeah.

[Brian]

What was this like? Almost 20 years before we met, I was like, that is. That dude knows what's up. Rather than the Dag Jam Mike inserts B minor, I believe. And so it's D. B minor, G. But I think Trey is still playing parts of A. You're gonna have to get a musicologist in here to make sense of my stupidity. But it's a very different approach to Harryhood, and as a result, it hits in a totally different emotional way. Whereas the true Harryhood jam is hopeful and it's. It peaks and it's celebratory. This is sad. And it shows that, like, one minor shift in musical approach can change the entire vibe. And I love this version. It sounds unlike any other Harry Hood I've ever heard. With good reason. It's part of one of my favorite Fish shows that has ever been played. Also a show RJ was at. It's a show that is in the why the Is in this officially released category, which is growing evermore by the day. Just beautiful, gorgeous stuff. Really, really here for it. And then my final version was.

[RJ]

Can I just say something about a 10 real quick?

[Brian]

Oh, yeah, you were there. You can say anything.

[RJ]

Well, no, I just want to say that I don't. I kind of disagree with the Jam chart entry on this one. Like, it says something about hoes, which they love. You know, using these Jam charts. I don't.

[Megan]

Yeah, I don't.

[Brian]

When in doubt.

[RJ]

Really? Yeah, I. I mean he was never. Trey never lets off the jam like the entire time. So it's a lot of like Trey playing and building the peak. But I would not. I would not describe it as that. Like that definition of the watering of the. Of the. Of the fans or flowers or whatever.

[Megan]

No, this is like lyrical, kind of understated. It has like a gorgeous triumphant peak, but it's much more. Brian did a better job.

[Brian]

It's contemplative. This is a little bit more cerebral than the like, you know what I mean? I'm supporting VT to Boots comment here. Kevin Shapiro needs to release the Brinkman series lp. I. That would be probably the greatest accomplishment of my life to get something like that. I'm here to do the hard work, guys. I've already listened to these. I've already notated this. Like now I just need someone to listen to my pitch. Last one again, we didn't talk about this. Wanted to give the 3.0 love here like Meg did the 852013 version from the Hollywood Bowl. Those who were following Fish day to day at this point in 3.0 were a call an incredible Tahoe tweezer. Great Bill Graham Run Fish is at like the highest of highs. And then, oh yeah, we have a tour finale in Los Angeles which probably is gonna suck because it's just gonna be a bunch of like media moguls and music industry dudes hanging out listening to eight minute Fish songs. And if you listen to. If you look at like the set time on Live Fish, it's literally all eight minute songs. And then this 22 minute version of Harry Hood. What the hell is going on? Did they mistrack this? No, It's. It takes the 72503 approach and actually makes it clear, concise type two jamming that they played so well throughout 2013. Like, one of the craziest things about 2013 is there are these deep jams, but Trey's not burdened by effect pedals and Paige doesn't have all these crazy synthesizers yet. So it's really the band playing like an effectless, very clear type of music. We talked about this in our Fall 2013 episode, but this was one of those jams that like, it snuck towards the very end of the show. Doesn't get talked about a ton nowadays, but if you go back and listen to it and you judge it just purely on the music, it is one of the most impressive. Type 2 Jam Harry Hoods, there is. And like Meg said so brilliantly, I think that the type 2 jamming is a part of it. I think everything RJ said was great. You did a great job, bud. But I do think you sell it a little short if you say it's just about the peak. It's. It's about the peak. And there's all these other things about it that have made it really special. And I think a 513 has to be somewhere in the range here. Maybe like 20th best.

[Megan]

The interplay between Paige and Trey in the floating section is just so beautiful. And then when it comes back in, it's, like, really shimmery. I don't know.

[RJ]

The.

[Megan]

The Hood refrain, like, climb back up is shimmery. It's. That's. I like that version a lot. That was. That was just under my honorable mentions.

[RJ]

I like it, Brian, because you slandered me. Will you offer me just a second to correct the record here, please?

[Brian]

Correct. That was that slight. You did a great job. You did an awesome job today.

[Megan]

I'm so nervous now you've done.

[RJ]

I just want to know. I. I want to.

[Brian]

You should be.

[Megan]

And Got it. I have Hood. At least I start out with, like, a softball. I'm starting out with. With an easier one, for sure.

[RJ]

Well, we're going to talk about that in a second because. Because voting is about to be open, if you can believe it. Brian, when you said it was. I didn't say it was all about the peak. I said it's all about the build toward the peak. So, like, if you're. If you're going to fuck around with Hood and you're going to, like, do some weird stuff and effects and, like, make it and go off into the wilderness, that wilderness, that's fine. But you got to come back and it's got to pay off in a. In a bigger way. If you're gonna do that. If you're gonna do that and then lose it and then, like, like you've pointed out, happens sometimes when you come back. They come back into it and then it's just like, I don't remember what song this was. Let's just, like, end the song then. That's a waste of O'Harry Hood. That's my only point.

[Brian]

That's a fair point. I'll see you in court because you accuse me of slander. So, you know, we'll just. We'll see where this goes here.

[Megan]

But yeah, guys, we're trying to be nice during these episodes. Don't forget, these are not Our fighting episodes.

[RJ]

That's fine. Anybody? Anybody, Anybody can, you know, say what they want. And this day and age. All right, so.

[Brian]

Oh, guys.

[RJ]

If you've been, if you've been Sad about no 3.0 or 4.0 jams being represented on Mount Rushmore so far, you'll be happy to know that next time, which is, I guess, going to be in two weeks, we're going to be. We're going to be doing only 3.0 and 4.0, because Megan has the distinct pleasure of doing the Mount Rushmore choices for light. So.

[Megan]

Yeah, I'm excited, I'm nervous. I'm excited.

[RJ]

It's all happening. We have, we have a list. We have 13 on the list. I think, I think this is gonna get. This is gonna get a lot of write ins, though. I think we're gonna get a lot of write in boats. We're gonna get a lot of, you.

[Brian]

Know, I don't think we should have any write ins. I would argue against the write in process. I'm pretty sure that the list that we have have is the list. But hey, write in if you want.

[RJ]

No, we have. Listen, we have a question for. If you think there are any versions that you think should be added that weren't on this list, tell us. That's all I'm saying. It's part of the process. I mean, if you don't believe in democracy, like, that's fine, but people should be able to express their opinions.

[Megan]

The writing books are such a waste of time, though.

[Brian]

In our Democrats, the writing is a third party. Come on. Both. Yeah, bring me your 300.

[Megan]

Great.

[RJ]

I mean, I, I don't know about you guys, but I like hearing from our listeners. About what? The kind of music they enjoy. I mean, I might be.

[Brian]

That's a fair. That's a fair point. Do not, do not put me in this corner of not liking our listeners, because I like our listeners. Okay.

[RJ]

But.

[Brian]

Yes, do you really? Well, I mean, unless they vote for.

[Megan]

Most of them, then Brian doesn't like them.

[Brian]

I like the people that vote for you in the draft. I just would like to have a sit down conversation with them about what they're voting for. That's all. That's all I'm saying.

[Megan]

Oh, okay. Great. Yeah.

[RJ]

Okay, so tell us who you think won today's Harriet Mount Rushmore draft, whatever it is.

[Brian]

The best list. The best list. Yeah, we're doing light next. We are. We are still like, there's no rhyme or reason to this. Although I think I tried to curate this to like create anticipation, excitement and diversity, which don't publish that because I probably shouldn't say that we might get taken off of Apple podcasts. Now that I use use that word. But like, you know, we, we came out hard with Bathtub Gin and Harry Hood. Let's look at what I would argue is the best jam vehicle of the 3.0 era and let's let Meg curate it. Really, really excited.

[Megan]

Yeah, me too.

[RJ]

It's gonna be, it's gonna be fun. If you go to osirispod.com rushmore you can vote on your Rushmore for life. That's happening right now. The link is live. That's going to be in two weeks. Next week we have a special guest who will be joining us. We are going to be joined by Ray Pachkowski of Lamp and of the Trey Anastasio Band. Ray is awesome. He's going to come talk to us about, about Lamp's new album and their and the tour. And I'm sure we'll talk about a lot of fish music. So that'll be fun.

[Megan]

Yeah, I'm excited to talk to Ryan. That's going to be awesome.

[Brian]

That's going to be incredible.

[RJ]

Yeah, I'm really happy to be able to do that. Brian, what else you got?

[Brian]

We should also just point out just so everyone gets hyped for this and we should probably share this at some point. The week of April 7th. We don't have an exact date yet, but in the build up to the spring tour, we are going to be doing another draft. This will be our third draft of the year so far. The first two didn't break up the pod, so why not try it out with a third. We are going to be drafting west coast fish shows which is going to include Southern California, Northern California, Oregon, Washington, plus two wild card categories which we will tell you more about. Some amazing, amazing fish music has been made on the Pacific host and we're going to draft it all and come up with A list of 18 shows that you absolutely must listen to to prepare for fish spring 2025 tour.

[RJ]

Wow.

[Megan]

Yeah, that's going to be great. I do want to say that I did have to ask Brian to call this list a bit because it was pretty unwieldy. So, Brian, I appreciate that you did that for us.

[Brian]

Whatever you need, however, we can help you.

[RJ]

Hey, you know, you asked for solutions, Meg, I provided them. Brian, Brian and I, we're here for you.

[Megan]

You know, I know it's been a.

[Brian]

Great lunch bake being like, hey, do I want to read some more of my novel or do I want to cull the draft so that Megan has an easier time preparing what do I want to do? And I decided to go with that. So anyone out there?

[Megan]

Thank you so much.

[Brian]

This guy's super salty about losing drafts. Like, I'm just doing what I can to help my friends.

[Megan]

And you're also allowing me to continue to beat you in number of books read this year. So that was one, like a double thing for me. So that was good.

[Brian]

I don't think you're gonna beat me again.

[RJ]

Yeah, well, I might not.

[Megan]

That would be sad.

[RJ]

It's gonna be wonderful.

[Brian]

Ripping through my. My guy at my coffee shop. Every time I come in, he's like another new book. Yeah, bro.

[Megan]

He's like your number one cheerleader. Oh my God. I need like a build up person. I need somebody to be noticing what I'm doing. I'm gonna go start bringing my book into the coffee shop and like acting very like.

[Brian]

You have like third graders who are like, hey, you're doing great, man.

[RJ]

Yeah, they don't say, megan, you're gonna love that book. I'm telling you, it's gonna be fine.

[Megan]

Yeah, I just. I'm like 50 pages and I like it.

[RJ]

It's. It's wacky.

[Brian]

Do we have another library card to announce? Where are we at with schedule for that? We should just do everything right the.

[Megan]

End of this month. But I don't.

[RJ]

What are we doing?

[Brian]

Are we doing James?

[Megan]

We're doing James by Percival Everett.

[RJ]

We are doing James. I think we said the week of the 24th, but I don't know if we have a date. But it'll be that. It would be that week. If you guys. If we're still doing that. Which we should.

[Brian]

We absolutely should. We'll figure that out because we have a lot of scheduling issues now.

[RJ]

BT to boot. Great to see you came out to the Worcester show. Appreciate that reprise. Maybe seen the most reprised shows outside of the band and crew so far.

[Megan]

That's amazing. I've seen three. That's pretty good, right?

[RJ]

Three is pretty good. Good. He's pretty good. Okay, I think we're good.

[Brian]

I need them to come to Colorado. I have a couple shows that they should play in Colorado and I want to see rjb.

[RJ]

Well, there's other ways to do that. All right, Next week we're gonna. Next week we're gonna have Ray here actually very close to Brian's birthday. Although Brian will be doing. Doing things for his birthday. So we're gonna have to. We're gonna celebrate, Brian.

[Megan]

Big birthday.

[Brian]

It's a big one.

[RJ]

Yeah. We're gonna have to celebrate you, Brian. Just so you know.

[Megan]

Yes.

[RJ]

You love being celebrated.

[Brian]

Love it. Love it.

[Megan]

Really awkward. Yeah.

[Brian]

Yeah, it's. It's so fun.

[RJ]

So fun. All right. All right, everybody. Thanks for listening. And I to our friend who commutes. I hope you enjoyed this episode and that it worked with your commuting. And to everyone else, we'll see y'all next week.

[Megan]

Bye.

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