Top 25 Tours — #6 — Summer 1997

Summary

Helping Friendly Podcast - Episode: Top 25 Tours #6 – Summer 1997

Release Date: November 4, 2024
Host/Author: Osiris Media

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Introduction

In the sixth installment of their "Top 25 Tours" series, the Helping Friendly Podcast (HFPod) delves deep into Phish's Summer 1997 US Tour, a pivotal period that marked significant evolution for the band and its fanbase. Hosted by Brian, Megan, and RJ, the episode offers a comprehensive analysis enriched with personal anecdotes, detailed show breakdowns, and insightful commentary on the tour's lasting impact.

Context of Summer 1997 Tour

Megan ([10:16]) sets the stage by highlighting the tour's backdrop:

"They had gone to Europe in February and March, looking to workshop a new sound after their arena tour in fall 96 wasn't as successful as hoped."

Upon returning from Europe in March, Phish embarked on the Summer 1997 US Tour, comprising 19 shows across the Southeast, Southwest, West Coast, Midwest, Upstate New York, and culminating in Maine at the Great Went festival. This tour was lauded for its high jam chart entries—107 in total, averaging 5.6 jams per show—demonstrating Phish's commitment to improvisational excellence.

Analysis of the Tour's Impact

Brian ([11:58]) emphasizes the tour's significance as a bridge between Phish's experimental phase in Europe and their reinvention in the US:

"This is Fish putting together the final pieces of a band that can hang for 20 to 30 more years. This is the reinvention, a sound that is more democratic and accessible."

He further elaborates on how the tour set the foundation for Phish's versatility:

"They can play any sound and make it their own, leading to a new era where they can seamlessly integrate various musical styles."

Megan ([14:51]) echoes this sentiment, noting the tour's narrative arc from "authoritative, punchy, funky vibe" to "dissonance and beautiful ambience."

"It's unbelievable how punchy it is in the beginning and how open and kind of free it becomes."

Notable Shows and Jams

Several standout performances from the tour are highlighted:

1. Dallas, Texas Show ([29:07]):

   • Features the blend of classics like "Gin Makasupa", "ACDC Bag", and "Chalk Dust" into new, fluid arrangements.
   • Brian remarks on the band's ability to fuse older songs innovatively:

     "You're almost hearing their songs and their sound in a new way, in real time."

2. Shoreline Show ([32:33]):

   • The second set includes "Runaway Gym", encapsulating the tour's ethos of finding "total gorgeousness" through contemplative jams.
   • Megan praises the jam's emotional depth:

     "It's a really beautiful example of it... contemplative and so patient and lovely."

3. Phoenix Show ([37:35]):

   • Highlights "Gumbo" and "Antelope" as critical jams that pushed the band's improvisational boundaries.
   • Brian underscores their forward momentum:

     "The Phoenix Gumbo and the Denver Ghost were the first time they felt their music was pushing them forward."

4. Deer Creek Shows 8:10 & 8:17 ([40:53], [75:18]):

   • RJ shares his transformative experience, initially questioning the slow, strange jams but later recognizing their beauty and emotional resonance.
   • Megan reflects on the subdued chaos:

     "It's just one entire narrative arc... the band completely giving into the muse."

Personal Reflections and Anecdotes

The hosts intertwine their personal journeys with the tour's narrative:

• RJ ([40:53]) recounts attending Deer Creek right after graduating high school, initially feeling disconnected from the slow jams but growing to appreciate their depth over time.

• Megan shares nostalgic memories, including a Virginia Beach show that profoundly impacted her perception of Phish's evolving sound.

• Brian discusses how critical this tour was for Phish's longevity and his own journey as a fan, emphasizing the tour's role in shaping his deep understanding of the band's improvisational prowess.

Concluding Insights

As the episode draws to a close, the hosts reflect on the enduring legacy of the Summer 1997 Tour:

Brian ([75:18]) summarizes its pivotal role:

"The reinvention experiment worked. They reshaped their sound around groove, increasing democratic jamming, and their fan base loved it."

Megan ([76:08]) adds:

"Reflecting on this tour, I didn't realize how much they evolved during it. It was thrilling to see that evolution happen in real-time."

RJ ([77:00]) emphasizes the tour's foundational impact on future Phish endeavors:

"This is the beginning of the next new era... this tour set up what comes next."

Top Moments and Takeaways

• Summer 1997 US Tour stands as a testament to Phish's ability to evolve while maintaining improvisational excellence.

• The tour's diverse setlists and experimental jams showcased the band's versatility and set the stage for future musical explorations.

• Personal anecdotes from the hosts enrich the analysis, offering listeners a heartfelt connection to the tour's significance.

• Notable shows like Dallas, Shoreline, and Phoenix serve as highlights, illustrating the tour's dynamic range and emotional depth.

Final Thoughts

The Summer 1997 US Tour not only reinforced Phish's status as premier jam artists but also solidified their ability to reinvent and adapt, ensuring their legacy for decades to come. Through insightful discussion, personal reflections, and detailed show analyses, HFPod captures the essence of this transformative tour, making it accessible and engaging for both long-time fans and newcomers alike.

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Notable Quotes:

• Brian ([14:51]): "This is Fish putting together the final pieces of a band that can hang for 20 to 30 more years."

• Megan ([32:33]): "When they find the melody and the ambience, they get to that beautiful ambient space."

• RJ ([40:07]): "It's awesome because that good times, bad times is unbelievable."

• Brian ([75:18]): "They reshaped their sound around groove, increasing democratic jamming, and their fan base loved it."

• Megan ([76:08]): "I didn't realize how much they evolved during this tour. It was thrilling to see that evolution happen in real-time."

• RJ ([77:00]): "This is the beginning of the next new era... this tour set up what comes next."

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Conclusion

This episode of HFPod offers an in-depth exploration of Phish's Summer 1997 US Tour, celebrating its artistic bravery and enduring influence. Through expert analysis and personal storytelling, listeners gain a rich understanding of why this tour remains a beloved chapter in Phish's storied history.

Transcript

[Megan]

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[Brian]

Osiris.

[RJ]

These guys are idiots. You heard it here, guys. These guys are idiots. They're talking about us. That was from Divided sky, from the Gorge, 1997. I don't know who. I don't know who that taper was talking about, but he's really annoyed.

[Brian]

Could have been talking about the jam charts, he could have been talking about the podcast. He could have been talking about Goose fans. Who knows? There's so many people that he could have been talking about. So many potentials.

[Megan]

God.

[RJ]

Well, I'm just glad we're here together.

[Brian]

I am too.

[Megan]

We're on the.

[RJ]

Of a big day for America. We have an election tomorrow and we. We decided to do it today instead of later this week so that we can all just be extremely happy tomorrow about our. About our democratic republic and, you know, all the great things that it provides for us, including free and fair elections. Right?

[Brian]

Brian, have you ever thought, man, that it's called a democratic republic and there's a Democrat and a Republican Party? Have you ever thought about that?

[Megan]

Oh, my God.

[RJ]

Great. Dormant.

[Megan]

Never thought about that before.

[Brian]

Okay, yeah, no, we. We decided to do this today because. Let's celebrate summer US 1997. Let's get our crazy USA USA to be. Will be.

[RJ]

We're gonna. We're just gonna go straight into it. There's nothing else to talk about. We've already talked to each other enough. Is there anything that we don't know that's going on in. In each other's lives that we should talk about before we start? Or should I Just get straight into HF Pod. Is there anything we need to talk about? Is there anything that I don't know that you want me to know?

[Brian]

I'll just throw this out there. Maybe we can riff on this for a second. But I'm currently in the middle of a book that. I don't know. I'm curious if you guys have ever experienced this, but I really enjoy it. Like, every time I pick this book up, I am illuminated. It is structurally doing things that I find fascinating, but I am reading it so slowly, and it is fucking with me so much. Like when we were reading Demon, Copperhead and the Bee Sting and Northwoods earlier this year, I just, like, I would pick those books up and I would read, like, 60 pages at a time, and I was just, like, immersed. And for me, with this current book, it's like this, like, crawl to 11 or 12 pages in one sitting. But it's not because I don't like it. I've read a couple books this year that I didn't like this book. I'm digging and I'm going to recommend to both of you what when I get, like, over the halfway point. But it's just. It's a weird sentiment. Have you guys ever experienced this?

[Megan]

Well, is the writing challenging?

[Brian]

Kinda. It's not like, no, it's. It's not like, super yes and no. Like, you. You have to, like, really be immersed in it. But it's not like it's. It's not like this is advanced Honors.

[Megan]

English, so it's not like the parts of the Bee Sting where it's like the wife and there's like, no punctuation, and it's just like, stream of consciousness. And that's challenging. Okay.

[Brian]

I don't know what it is.

[Megan]

Is the writer good?

[Brian]

The writer's great.

[Megan]

Is the story not as, like, compelling? I mean, I think all the books you listed, there's something super compelling about every one of those stories that makes you not want to put the book down. Like, does the story have an engine behind it?

[Brian]

Yeah, it's a good question. I think that part of it is like the Bee Sting, for example. I could see myself in that book.

[Megan]

Yeah, it's very visual.

[Brian]

And I can't see myself in this book at all. So there's like. It's almost like I'm looking through glass at the story rather than feeling like I'm in the middle of the story.

[Megan]

Yeah, that's interesting.

[RJ]

Yeah, it is. I think. I mean, it happens to me. I think every. Every book is like, moves at a different pace. I think this book that I'm reading now, which is going to be our first episode of our new podcast, which is called Library Card, I'm. I feel that with this book, like, I'm enjoying it. I like it. I think the story is great. But it's like. Like, I read for 20 minutes and I look and I've, like, only gone through, like, eight pages, whereas, like, with some books, like, 20 minutes, I would have gone through 15 pages. It's just not. It's not, like, moving as fast as I wanted to. But I. But I also enjoy it every time I read it. And I don't know, maybe there's in.

[Megan]

The world, like, do you feel immersed in it? It took me a little bit to get immersed in that book, but then I did.

[RJ]

Yeah. Now I am. Like, even after a couple pages, it's good to be in that world, you know? But I feel like some of these just move at different paces for whatever reason.

[Brian]

I just wish.

[RJ]

Usually it's the writing for me. Usually it's like, things where I'm like, I read a paragraph twice, and I'm like, still don't really, like, know what's going on.

[Megan]

Yeah. Or sometimes, like, the book I just finished. And I hope that didn't stress you out, Brian. When I sent you that, I finished that book when you were struggling to read yours slowly.

[Brian]

But every time the two of you send me a new book and you're like, three times as many fiction books ahead of me in the year, I'm just like, okay, okay, cool. I'm just gonna eternally be stressed out, but go ahead. I'm, like, six tours ahead of you.

[Megan]

So the book that I just finished, very readable, and I was reading it fast, but I wasn't as, like, immersed in the world or as interested in the characters as I wanted to be. I don't know. But it's a different. But it's the same kind of a thing, just kind of in reverse. Like, I'm less interested in the story and the. And the characters, but really readable.

[Brian]

I think that I like the story of what I'm reading, but I don't. I haven't reached the point where I truly care about the characters. Like, I keep coming back to the beasting, but, like, I cared about all of those characters. The moment that I was reading about them, I was like, I want you all to be okay, even though I know that this is not going to be okay.

[Megan]

Yeah.

[Brian]

And now I'm reading a book that I'm kind of just like. I kind of expect this to go poorly for you, and I don't know if that's going to, like, devastate me, but I also, like, I enjoy it. I don't know. It's a strange phenomenon, but that's a.

[Megan]

Huge part of if I really love a book or not. And I think with Covenant of Water, it's hard because the characters die a lot, and so you get attached to them and then they're gone.

[RJ]

See, I think that's such a.

[Brian]

Keep dying. Like, they just keep dying.

[RJ]

Multiple alive.

[Megan]

Yeah, Multiple times.

[RJ]

Multiple deaths. Multiple deaths.

[Megan]

You know what I mean?

[RJ]

I think this is. I think that's a good example. That's a good rationale for why I feel the way I do about this book. I'm not attached to any of the characters because they keep disappearing, and it's like, you know, I can see that. I like the story. I mean, I'm really curious to see where it goes because I'm like, three quarters of the way through, and I know something's going to happen and it's going to be great. But. But it's not like you're following the same people through this journey because they keep getting. Keep getting knocked off by, like, strange curses. Spoiler alert.

[Megan]

I could go into really kind of a lot of depth about what I think pulls you into that book, but I feel like we should wait and see.

[RJ]

We should do that on the podcast. On the podcast.

[Brian]

We're going to do it on the podcast. I will say, though, rj, this is the last thing I'll say about books. This is our library card preview episode. Everything else will be behind a $50 paywall, which is basically the cost of books in 2024. So, you know, get prepared, guys. This is all you're getting. That's a total joke. You guys should come back and listen to our.

[Megan]

We do everything for free all the time. You know that about us.

[Brian]

What was I going to say? Oh, RJ's text about his favorite. Or his great substack piece about his favorite books. The year so far made me go back, and I am compiling, and this is all so that Megan's happy. My favorite fiction books, my favorite nonfiction books, my favorite audiobooks, and then all combined, what were my favorite books? So, like that.

[Megan]

I do like your lots of list. It's going to be, you know, specified audio and not. Thank you.

[Brian]

Yeah, sure. Yeah, yeah, sure.

[RJ]

All right, so that was only 8 minutes and 24 seconds for those of you keeping track. So We're. We're ahead of schedule. We're at number six. We're at the number six tour of all time. This was the number three vote from the fans.

[Megan]

I know. Wow.

[RJ]

So we're, you know, we're talking about Summer 97, Summer US Tour 97. Of course, there's a bunch of live bait tracks which I'll link to again from this tour. Not a lot of releases. Sadly maddening.

[Megan]

Not a lot of releases and not as many live baits as they should have.

[RJ]

I think should just release the whole tour. I mean, what are we doing here? Come on, what are we doing? Megan, what was happening in 1997 as far as you know?

[Megan]

As far as I know, a lot was happening in 97. I think it's important to mention that they had gone to Europe in February and March, which everyone knows, but they had done that looking for a place to practice this idea of playing less notes because they went on this big arena tour in the fall of 96 that they felt was maybe not as successful, and they were trying to workshop this new sound, but couldn't do it here in the US So they come back from Europe in March and they record the first session of what will be the story of the Ghost and the Sicket Disk, and then they go back to Europe in June and July for 19 shows. And that's actually top tour 21. So we talked about that earlier in the year. Just fantastic, fantastic tour. And then they come back to the US with what they found in Europe. And these are 19 shows make up this tour. They start with these three legendary shows in the Southeast. They go to the Southwest, up the west coast, the Midwest, upstate New York, and they end in Maine for the Great Went, which is their second festival. There are 107 jam chart entries for this tour. So 5.6 jams per show. That is definitely one of our higher jams per show ratios. So we are in very good territory here for jams. And not a lot of debuts because they're playing a lot of new music, but it's US debuts, all of it. So not actual debuts. So these aren't like pumped up jam chart numbers.

[RJ]

Brian, what do you. What do you have to say about this?

[Brian]

So this tour is really, really interesting because there's spoiler alert, but I'm pretty sure this isn't spoiling anything for anyone. There's one more tour from 1997 that we are going to talk about, and this is kind of that bridge between, as Meg noted, we talked about summer Europe 97. We're going to talk about fall 97 at some point. I don't know when or we still have. Have yet to figure out where that lands. This is the Bridge tour. This is when we talked about Summer Europe. We talked about it in the context of this incredibly loose, experimental tour where the band ultimately decided, let's just throw whatever sounds are in our heads, whatever ideas at the wall. Let's take what worked from the Bearsville session and let's just experiment as much as possible. And there's really nobody looking at them. Like, Europe 97 would be very different if they did Europe 2025. You know, they're going to webcast those shows. There's going to be shows on live Fish immediately after they conclude Europe 97. They're still kind of like able to go there and disappear for a bit. And the idea of hearing those shows before people were hearing the summer US Shows or seeing the summer US Shows is kind of far removed. But there's this immense amount of risk involved in coming back and putting yourself in front of 15, 20,000 people night to night and playing a very new sound of music that is going to be abrasive for some people, may turn some people away. But ultimately, when I think about this tour, when I think about why it's ranked where it is, this is Fish putting together the final pieces of a band that can hang for 20 to 30 more years. This is the reinvention, but also a sound that. That is so democratic and more accessible than what we talked about in our last tours episode where we talked about summer 95. This is kind of like big tent Fish. They can get really weird, but ultimately it's gonna be grounded in the style of music that a lot of people wanna hear and a lot of people wanna come back to, and a lot of people wanna re listen to because a, it's really fun, but also it's a totally new flavor of what this ban for the previous 14 years of their career. And as a result, it leads us down this new rabbit hole that we're still living in, where Fish can kind of play any sound and make it their own. And you hear that really happen through. I mean, almost immediately, this tour, essentially immediately the second that they come out and play Ghost. And one of the best versions of Ghost from the year.

[Megan]

Yeah, I. I love that idea of Risk. I think when I was listening back to this tour, I was thinking a lot about. When we look back on 97, it's such a storied year. We think, of course, like these Tours are amazing, but it wasn't guaranteed that this tour was going to kill. Like, they hadn't played in the US since the New Year's Eve run. They hadn't played a full Tour since fall 96, which was pretty good tour. I mean, it made it to our top 25 list. It was number 25. But considering it was in between these two massive years of Fish, it felt a little hard for them too, because it was in an arena. They weren't packed all the arenas. Like, there wasn't like a definite way forward for the band that they knew it was going to be like, that they were going to have this wild success. And I think the fact that they found this funk passageway that we talked about when we talked about the summer tour, that it being a destination to future jamming ideas, for them bringing that home and playing it here was a huge risk. And opening those shows with so much authority and swagger, it just shows how confident they were in their risk taking. And I think that when you think about the tour, I think it really has a big narrative arc in that it starts in this really, like, kind of authoritative, punchy, funky vibe, and then it really ends with them exploring, like, a lot of dissonance and a lot of really beautiful ambience. And, like, seeing that kind of flow through the tour is actually really magical. And I hadn't really realized how strong that was until I listened to it chronologically for this project. But it's. It's unbelievable how punchy it is in the beginning and then how open and kind of free. If you think about listening to, like the first three shows back to back, and then in listening to, like, the Down With Disease and the Went Gen and like some of those other big jams at the Went, it was just like, crazy how different it sounds and how much the funk opened them up.

[Brian]

Man, we were on the exact same page. I was going to wait to do my big reveal of Hot Take. No, no, no, no. I love how you did it. My big hot take of this tour. And I'm really curious what RJ thinks about this, because this is RJ's point he's made and I think really accurately throughout this series. And, you know, as we get to the top five here, there's a lot of, like, reflection I think we're all doing, of, like, why we picked certain tours when we did. What do these tours say about this band? And I think if there's one thing critical we've all realized as we've gone through these tours and We've listened to. I mean, ultimately, by the end of this year, we'll have listened to 25 fish tours in basically in full. That's a lot. That's a lot. The most critical thing that I can say, and I think RJ has said this really well, is that sometimes with some of these tours, they start to sound very samey. And you start to hear this one sound that worked at the beginning of the tour also work at the end of the tour in a way that doesn't necessarily showcase progress. It just shows like, hey, this is the sound that we like playing in right now. And as a fan base, we tend to really like that sound. This tour is the first time that I found that from the start of the tour to the end of the tour, they are almost a completely different band. And I think a lot of that is that looseness that, you know, we think about summer US and summer Europe as two distinct tours. Their tour is separated by 11 days. That doesn't happen anymore. Like, that is like, for all intents and purposes, it's a two month tour on two different continents. But we think about it in the way that Fish operates as two separate things. But that looseness that they allow themselves to play in in Europe finds its way here. And so that by the end of the tour, as you just said, you play a jam back to back, like the Disease and the Bathtub Gin that are two completely different sounding jams that have no business being played side by side to each other, but showcase how much this band has learned by. By injecting this new sound and this new idea and this new philosophy and how freeing all that is to them as they're moving through the summer in.

[RJ]

The U.S. yeah, I mean, I like, I guess my, my only caveat is that like, you know, I'm pretty biased because this is when I started going to more shows and I was in college, which is just fucking awesome. But this tour is so fun. Like, it's so fun.

[Megan]

It's so, so fun.

[RJ]

It's in it. Like, I think they're the. The context here is that like, we were all waiting for the tapes for these shows and because the Europe tapes, which was the last, you know, music that, that they played, were like slow. It's, you know, took several weeks to get Europe tapes, at least for me, whereas the US Tapes you could get within like a week if you, if you knew people. So, you know, we're like, we didn't really know what this was going to sound like. And I think throughout the tour like you or just, like, from the Virginia beach show. It's just. It's so fun, you know, and then it gets more interesting, and by the end, like, the. The. The fact that you end with the. The bathtub gin from the Great Wind, which is, like, one of the most emotionally resonant things Fish has ever done. Like, it. And you compare that to the ghost from. From Virginia beach, and they're just so different, but, like, part of the same journey. And then we sit. It just sets you up for this, for the fall tour, which is, you know, we. We may or may not talk about it. I don't know if it made the list of the top 25, but if it did, we will be talking about it, because, man, it just. Yeah, there's no. There's no, like, sameness as this tour goes on. It gets more interesting and more different, and there are more paths, and I think if you, like, listen to the. You know, even just the first two shows, you might be like, okay, this. This sound might get a little old. And then they just keep evolving as they go. I mean, it's mostly. It's just, to me, this is what Fish sounds like summer and fall, along with, like, fall 95. But this is like the. So this is. This is it. This is the sound.

[Megan]

This is, like, the end of my innocent time with Fish. Like, this is the last year that I listened to everything that Fish played and saw a bunch of Fish. I saw the first three shows on this tour, and I saw the New Year's run, and I saw some shows in fall, too. But this. This was kind of the end of my, like, being totally obsessed with them before I took a break. And so, to me, this is kind of like the first time I saw them change in a way that. That I was super into. But I'll never forget what it felt like being at that Virginia beach show when they came out, and they sounded so different from what I'd heard them play in fall 96. And I just. I had gone to the New Year's eve show for 96, too, and it was just like, it didn't even make sense. It was such a different band, and it was so fun. And I remember just because of, like, the energy and what people were doing at that time, what was kind of going around in the crowd. It was just. It was meeting the moment really, really well. It was so playful and so fun, and I just. I remember being blown away in the moment.

[Brian]

I think the only knit I would pick, and it's a hard Knit to pick because what RJ said was ultimately subjective. But like, to my, to my ears, like, what sounds like fish is 94, 95, when, like, when I think about them in like, their purest form, to me, this is kind of to build off of a few things that we're saying. Like, I. I've made this argument before, but like, I feel like the band could have left it all behind after 12:31.95. And they have a legacy that we would still be talking about to this day, but the fact that they decided to reinvent themselves and change that original sound that they had and try to find something new and a new approach so that they could showcase the talents of all four members rather than, in a lot of cases, just one member. Like, they have never stayed in the funk sound. There are moments where we hear funk Fish come out in the last 27 years. But to me, what this proved and what this did for the band was to say whatever we have as a core works. That idea of musical connectivity, humor, communication, you know, this kind of like, dexterity, this risk taking that we have, like that as a core piece is not beholden to one style of music and so forth. This period in time, we're going to use this kind of rhythmic funk type of approach to communicate where we're at. In two years time, it's going to be much more bass heavy, a little bit dancy. A couple of years from there, it's going to be sludgy. As we get into like the late 3.0 and 4.0 era, it's going to be kind of this amalgamation of all these different styles of music that we love to play within singular jams. Like without this tour, without this year. I do wonder if Fish gets stuck in a singular sound. Like you hear, like, and you've heard this with jam bands, you know, where they. They find a sound, it works, they jam off of it. It's that reinvention and that total change of who they were that defines kind of where they're going to go for the next 30 years, you know, at least to my ears.

[RJ]

Yeah. Yeah, Interesting. I mean, without any of this stuff, nothing else happens. I guess that's a very obvious point, but I. But I think what you're saying is the sound, if, if you like, remove this sound or this, like, direction, they wouldn't have been able to do anything else, which I think, I think is true.

[Megan]

Well, there's intentionality to changing. Like they, they had an intention to change, you know, because of the big arenas that they were playing in the way that the sound travels and they had to play less notes. But then also Trez talked about not wanting to be a band that just where he just like, did guitar solos and jams all the time. Right. That they didn't want to do that anymore. So that. Yeah, the search for reinvention, I think is has defined them as a band and this is where it starts for sure.

[Brian]

I also just want to point out that RJ scene, all these shows in college is the greatest thing in the world because I saw five fish shows when I was in college and they were Vegas 04 and Coventry.

[Megan]

So you unquestionably also in college too.

[RJ]

Oh, my God.

[Megan]

Yeah. This is after my sophomore year of college. It was pretty great. Pretty good. My parents came to the. To the Raleigh show as well.

[RJ]

See, this was before my freshman year. So now you know that. That despite what it might look like, despite it might look like Megan is 10 years younger than me.

[Megan]

She's actually not so crushing.

[RJ]

All right, so this. Well, okay, what are we going to do? I mean, how do we even go from there? We love this tour. It's awesome. Maybe this is going to happen every time from now on.

[Megan]

Because I have one question before we go on, and that is I remember when we were drafting these tours, I was very anxious as this tour was not getting selected and the fans have it at three. And I don't know if we have underrated it, especially after listening back to it and what we've been talking about here. I don't know if we've underrated it. And I, you know, the, like listeners don't know what we have next, but we do. But I'm curious as to see if some of those tours will sound and will be more important historically. Some of them are chosen for historical purposes, but I don't know, I'm just curious as to if you guys started thinking about that at all leading up to this during this week or not. But I. I'm feeling like it might be a little underrated.

[RJ]

Wow. That's a good place to be, you know? Yeah, it's a good place to be while you're. While we're talking about it. You don't want to. We've had. I've had the experience of feeling the opposite where I'm like, yeah, 25. And that's not as. That's not as fun.

[Brian]

No, I. I don't think that it's three. I think that that is. I think that is entirely due to the great went and to the fact that it is a tour played during the period that a lot of Fish fans were in college.

[Megan]

Yeah, yeah, it's nostalgic.

[Brian]

But I do think, as I'm a couple tours ahead in my listening, just because of the way I listen to music, I think it's maybe one. I mean, it's six. So, like, I don't think it's like, the top three that, like, that is set in stone. I think we got those right. And when we get to that. But I do think that it's perhaps underrated by one tour. There is one that we have in the top five that I think we all agreed upon for historical purposes, needed to be there, that listening back to it, I was like, we did right. And this was a very smart move by us. And I can't wait for you guys to listen to it, for us to all talk about it.

[RJ]

I think it could be. Yeah, I agree with you.

[Megan]

It could be one or two top five now.

[RJ]

It could be one or two spots higher. I think I like this better than our. Than our number four tour, for example.

[Brian]

That's the one that I think could have been swapped.

[RJ]

But the next one is the one we're going to get the most heat for.

[Megan]

Yeah, yeah.

[Brian]

But the next one we did right. So this is an awesome conversation. People listen to because they're like, wait, what is that?

[RJ]

What are you talking about?

[Brian]

But I think. I think this simplest way to put it is. I think we slightly underrated it while also kind of slapping fans on the wrist for putting it at number three.

[RJ]

Thank you guys for participating in this with us. All right, let's talk about jams. Let's just go to some jams. What do you guys got? I mean, there's so much. But where would you.

[Megan]

This is so overwhelming.

[RJ]

I know, but you got to just. You got to just choose.

[Brian]

So I'm going to go just right out the gates. Like the first three shows. Boom. Awesome stuff. You guys have all heard it. It's all released live. Fish. If I said something about it, it would be just almost redundant at this point in time. So I. I want to go to what I think is one of the most shocking great shows of the tour early on, which is 7:25. The first set ends with a gin into Maka Supa and ACDC bag segment that Jin definitely touches on the funk. But this kind of speaks to what we were talking about a couple minutes ago in the sense that, like, the band felt like they were evolving in real time, and it felt like you were Hearing practice on a day to day basis every time they played a show. The entire second set of this show is also phenomenal. I'm just pulling up right now. This is from Dallas, Texas. Bob Galati is on the second drum set for this. You get the first ever chalk dust jam into Taste, into Yamar, into a drum segment, into Ghost, into Character Zero. It's just super fluid jamming. But really that like initial segment of Gin Makasupa, ACDC bag just sounds like a band that is taking three songs that have been a part of their catalog for 7 to 12 years. I mean Makasupa has been around since the start, but like three of their older songs and giving a totally new spin on them and fusing them together in a way that would not have happened a year prior. And so you hear them almost like hearing their sound, their songs and their sound in a new way, in real time in a way that just blows me away.

[Megan]

That show is a perfect example of. Even the shows that aren't super highly rated on this tour are so excellent. I got to the problem this weekend where I was Saturday night, still had six shows to listen to yesterday on Sunday because I didn't want to stop playing these shows. Like there's a lot of shows that are no skip shows and it becomes a problem because you're like, wait, I just want to keep listening to it. And that show. So many great moments in that show and it's not even one of the like high marks of the tour because it's. The bar is just so high already. It's crazy.

[RJ]

Yeah. That it also just shows there that the Djinn gets into this like slightly melodic space and, and that's to me, that's. That's the part that evolves over the course of the tour. You hear it more and more as it goes on, which is really cool. The. The Bob Gulati stuff and like the banter and Yamar, that's just. It's really fun. I just want to say that the two quick things. One is that I get. Trey was already doing the reinviting guests, you know, after the First Night in 97.

[Megan]

Wasn't a Billy thing.

[RJ]

It wasn't just a Billy Strings thing. And the other. I just want to go back. Can I go back to the first show? I'm sure we'll talk about the show in general, but I just wanted to give a shout out to the theme from. From the Virginia beach show with Leroy Moore. I would. I think I would choose that for my sit in draft it might be.

[Megan]

Like, okay, we're gonna have to fight for that one, because I was there. Rj, were you there, too?

[RJ]

See what happens.

[Megan]

We'll see.

[RJ]

But we'll see what happens with the draft order when we best sit in best situation. It's pretty good.

[Megan]

Oh, my God. Really good. It's pretty weird, Wells. Yeah, it's. It's really good. Yeah. That's one of the best themes of all time.

[Brian]

We're gonna have to turn Grand Rapids Shade into a drinking game for this game, this podcast.

[RJ]

So, Megan, what's a jam that you want to. That you want to make sure you talk about?

[Megan]

Okay, well, there's one I want to talk about, but before. I know I'm not going to spend a lot of time on this, but I do want to just to say really briefly that the Bowie Cities. Bowie's from Ventura, which everybody knows about. But the only thing I reason, I think this jam is so fascinating in context of this tour is because it goes the opposite. It starts in ambience and goes to funk. And that journey is wild. And I. I didn't realize when I've listened to that jam before, that it's the opposite of, like, so many of the jams on this tour and how cool that is. It's so cool. Listening to it in that lens just, like, blew me away. But the jam I want to talk about is from the next night at Shoreline. And I think the show is awesome. But the Runaway Gym on Live Bait 11. It opens set to 24 minutes. It's the perfect encapsulation of summer 97 and the end. Kind of like what you're talking about, rj. When they find the melody and the ambience, they get to that beautiful ambient space. And Paige finds this melody in the piano, and it's so beautiful. And I just love towards the middle and then the end of this tour, how they just keep finding, like, moments of just total gorgeousness. Like, not. It's. I don't want to say bliss, because that, like, sounds like it's peaking. And it's not shimmery. It's really contemplative and so patient and lovely. And this is a really beautiful example of it. In this Runaway Gym from Shoreline.

[Brian]

It's something that we'll talk about when we talk about fall 97. Like, the label of funky is slightly misleading because obviously they utilize it. But what you're talking about in that gin or. Excuse me, that gym is something you hear in the chordal jam in the Deer Creek Cities or in The Bathtub Gin or in a ton of jams that are to come in fall 97, off top of My Head, the Bowie from Philadelphia. This, like, kind of achingly sad, melodic jamming that was nowhere to be found in 95 and not even really, really anywhere in 96. And it's kind of like this really advanced, like, mature style of jamming where the band is having a lot of fun. And you think about that with like, that Bowie Cities Bowie where, like, it gets into some of the most, like, gooey funk I've ever heard them play. Like, yeah, like, I. I can't dance, but, like, I can't help but dance when, like, like they get in that, like, just really fast rhythm and like, trace hitting those chords. But a lot of that is surrounded by. In the Gym is a perfect example. This. These melodies that just, like, seem to drop out of the sky in a way that, like, I don't think that they were planning for when they decided, hey, it would be best if we. If. If we. Or, you know, whenever they realize, like, playing in this kind of funk democratic fashion would be best for them.

[Megan]

Yeah, I agree. It sounds like they're discovering it in the moment, which I. Is part of why this tour is so thrilling. It's so thrilling. It's. I think also if you think about like, the downward disease from the. When it's just. It has that feeling of like. You can almost feel them, like, using the funk to head to the ambience and. And at knowing that, like, fall 97 and 98 are on the, like, precipice. It's just. It's cool listening back to that.

[RJ]

I will say, I think the. I think that Runaway Gym is the. The first, like, really adventurous gem of the. Of the tour. You know, there's. There's long jams, but like, I think I feel like they all kind of, you know, are just building toward like, the Bowies and the. And the Ghosts. And there's, like. There's great jams, but I feel like this is the first one that's really, like. There's. There's a lot of different segments. It's. It's got like, its own kind of propulsion to it. It's really pretty awesome.

[Brian]

A bit of an outlier in that sort of standpoint. That's.

[RJ]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Megan]

I didn't think about that. But you're right.

[RJ]

Ev. Dude says that 731 desperately needs a live fish release. They basically every. That's how I feel about every show on this tour. No, it's like, what. What are we doing here? What are we doing, guys? We have. So we. We had. We got Virginia beach in July 2020. That was after the Dinner movie. Right. So that's when they released that. They released 722 in August of 2008. They released 723 in 2021. And is that it?

[Megan]

This Ventura.

[Brian]

Oh, Adventura box that came out in 2013. That was both 98. 97. Yeah.

[RJ]

Right, right. Oh, right. There's two years. Yeah. All right.

[Megan]

Oh, I forgot that. Right.

[RJ]

Yeah. Okay, so what else? What do we got here? There's. I think that's it.

[Megan]

I mean, there's more jams, but you go, Brian, take out some jams.

[Brian]

I want to. I want to just give a big shout out to three jams from the Phoenix show, which get a little bit overshadowed. But Gumbo has been officially released. But that is one of my starred. If you have not listened to that in some time, you need to go back and check it out. I think that there's a quote in the Fish Book where Trey talks about how, you know, throughout the years they would be on tour and they would be listening to other music on the bus and throughout fall. 97, what powered them was the Phoenix Gumbo and the Denver Ghost. And it was the first time that they ever felt like our music is actually pushing us forward. It's only like 13 or 14 minutes, but it just, like gets into such a zone that it sounds like where they were, where they were going, where they were ultimately going towards. But Don't Sleep on the second set has an amazing run. Like an Antelope that is just so wild and out there. I believe it segues into Waiting in the Velvet Sea. Don't yell at me yet. I'm pulling up the set list now. There's a lot of COVID here. Yeah, it goes right into Waiting in the Velvet Sea. And then you get a really wild twist a couple songs later that just shows that, like, to come to RJ's point about that Runaway Gym, like, even as there is a little bit more focus to this plane because they know the sound that works, they're allowing themselves to just open up and experiment in. In some really bizarre ways that, you know, is going to. There's, like, an argument to be made that, like, the type of music they play on this tour is what's going to lead them to be able to play at 3:00, 4:00 in the morning at Big Cypress or some of the really long, bizarre jams we talked about from the 2.0, from the 2003 Tours, or some of the long, 35, 40 minute long jams we've heard in the last couple of years. Like, allowing themselves to just play these songs out and just follow wherever they take them is going to be a huge lesson for the years going forward.

[Megan]

Yeah, I love that gumbo, that. It's like, I want to live inside that groove. It's so good, that one. And obviously, like, we don't have to talk about it, but the. The Ghost from Lakewood. It's like, that's probably one of my top five gems of all time. And I won't spend time on it because everybody knows it, but that is the tightest groove Fish has ever played. I think that's the tightest they've ever sounded. That's the. It's so tight. It's just like.

[RJ]

Yeah. And the tempo is, like, really, really fast. Like, they don't.

[Megan]

They're just in the pocket.

[RJ]

They're so excited to play a Ghost, like, every time.

[Megan]

Which is every time. Great to hear every night. Yeah, it's so great.

[RJ]

Our friend Craig said he cornered Mike in the lot at Gorge and asked him to play the Lumpy Head song from Europe. And Mike just sort of frowned and said, that's not a real song. Oh, my God.

[Megan]

That's such a good story.

[RJ]

It's a good story.

[Brian]

It's amazing because of, like, what Carini would become for this.

[RJ]

Right? Yeah.

[Brian]

10, 15, 20 years later in a way that nobody could have predicted.

[RJ]

I don't know if we're going to go back to Virginia beach, but the. All the waiting velvet sea with the sirens at the beginning is just like they. I feel like I just wanted to bring that back.

[Megan]

Why aren't they doing that? It's so beautiful and haunting.

[RJ]

It's very. It's very. It's all that. Exactly. I guess. I guess we can go. Well, let me just tell you guys about my Deer Creek experience.

[Megan]

Yeah. Because I want to talk about Deer Creek too. So please tell us about it so I can talk about it too.

[RJ]

So. So two months before the tour, I graduated from high school and I went out to see four shows. Tinley Park, Alpine, and then the two Deer Creek shows. And we, like, camped. And when, you know, it was like getting away from home. But. But after. After, you know, collecting hundreds of tapes from 9090 to 95 or 96, I think I was like. I definitely had expectations about how I wanted them to sound. And I do think as the tour goes on, it Got like. Like some of these jams were so slow and strange and weird. I remember at deer Creek, the 8:10 show. I probably talked about this before. I remember it being, like, just too. It was like. It was so slow and it was so weird. The cities, you know, that second set. And I was not, like, super thrilled with it. I mean, the hood. The hood is like the coolest thing that's ever happened. But I remember being a little bit like, what is this? What is this? I remember being like, this is, like, not what I wanted, you know, And. And now I'm. I admit to being wrong about that.

[Megan]

But, like, you're a connoisseur already. And you know when you go and you expect a certain kind of. Of something that you've spent a lot of time listening to, and it's totally different. That. That's a lot. It's a lot to take in, you know, I think that that's totally normal. I was not a connoisseur then. I was listening. I listened to everything, and I was following, but I wasn't. I wasn't analyzing anything. I was partying a lot, too, but. But yeah. So I think it was different. I feel like, my expectations, but I don't remember feeling.

[RJ]

You didn't have them.

[Megan]

I didn't have them. Maybe that's the whole point.

[RJ]

That's what.

[Megan]

That's.

[RJ]

That's better.

[Megan]

Maybe that's better.

[RJ]

We've taught, like, right, Having the expectations, there's only one thing that can happen.

[Megan]

Yeah, but you have them regardless. What?

[RJ]

If you have expectations, they're going to lead to disappointment. Like, it's clear.

[Megan]

But not always. Sometimes you go to Mexico and Dick's and then it's all fulfilled for you.

[RJ]

It's one thing I've learned on my fish journey.

[Brian]

So I have a slightly different question for you, rj, because I think there's no way to let go of who you are and what you do. And you do it right the way that you do it, and that's just the way it goes. And just explain it. It's co. That's cool. When did you. Because you. You. You've talked about that show a lot, and you've talked a lot about the experience you've had. Maybe not to this audience, but I've heard you talk about it. We've talked about this. I've. I talked about this during our winter 2003 tour that I had a very similar experience with my very first show where I went in with this expectation based on what I'd heard And what I liked about this band and they played completely differently to what I expected and thought of this band going in. And it. It was one of those experiences where it. With my perception of Fish. And it took me years to be like, wow, I think I actually saw a really good show to kick off my entire life of seeing this band. And that has made that show like, enriched and deeper for me. But like, when did that show hit for you and what was it about it?

[RJ]

That's a good. Yeah, 8, 10. Specifically. Yeah, probably, like, probably in the last five years. I didn't go back to these shows that much. I think probably when we first talked about it on. When at some point when we talked about it for this show or undermine in a way that made me have to go and listen to it differently.

[Brian]

I'm pretty sure it was one of our. We remember we did 25 shows leading up to fall 97, the 25 most important fish shows in the 90s. I don't know who made that list. Someone.

[RJ]

Yeah, someone. Someone.

[Brian]

And some people said it was a good list. You know, I don't know many people.

[RJ]

Many people are saying or talking about. So many people have come up to me with tears in their eyes and they've said, sir, sir, who made this list? Who made this list? Who made this beautiful list?

[Brian]

This thing on. So, yeah, I. I think that it is one of the more like, I think that you saw a very difficult show at a young point. Like, there's a reason why Rolling Stone wrote about that show being the band pissing in the ears of the listener and the listeners happily lapping it up because they're like. They're taking a song like Harry Hood and they're playing elements of the peak of that song in a different key in a way that makes you feel differently than you're supposed to feel. When they play Harry Hood, they play a second set where they decide we're going to dedicate like 12 minutes to rotating around to other instruments and playing a song we only will play like four different times. I don't know. I think ultimately, like, those are. I said this a little bit earlier, but like Craig says it here and I think that's a really good point. People really need to let go of 1994 fish. So I wasn't around, but, like, I remember reading that there was a lot of people that jumped off in 1997 because that kind of happy, whimsical kind of storytelling nature of Fish was on. And this dark, evil, really maniacal band that was interested in these kind of weird abstract sounds. And it was slow and it was sludgy, like that was all happening in real time and you were seeing it at that point in time. But ultimately, like, I don't want to sound like a broken record, but that like, that cracked open. Anything is possible with fish going forward.

[RJ]

Yeah, yeah.

[Megan]

And I also think that, you know, so many things we don't appreciate in the moment when they're new, you know, you have to look back and listen to them later. I'm pretty sure if I listen was at this 8, 10 show, I would have been like, what is going on in the second set? And now I listen to it and I'm like, this is one of the coolest fucking second sets ever. Because it is just one entire narrative arc. It's just a total flow. It's them completely, like giving into the muse and just going with whatever is in the moment. It takes such courageous, like, risk taking as a performer to go out and play a set like this. It's absolutely wild. But it's not at all what you would expect to see a fish show with. And I do think the scene, you know, this is the first kind of summer that they're fully on their own after, like, you know, 96 was like such a transition year musically and also in the scene with Jerry dying the year before. And so much was fluctuating for them. And 97 was like their first full year of coming back and being like, this is who we are now. We're different and we're huge. We're a big band. And I think that that was really different. And the crowd was really different then and the drugs started to get different. I think a lot changed during this year that affected the scene and the band and the music. And I think that there was a lot of reactions to it in real time. And I think that that's actually one theme that and one takeaway that I'm jumping ahead. But I think it's kind of relevant to bring it up here. And that is that. The other big thing I think that happened on this tour is that the band realized the audience would go on this journey with them. Like a majority of the audience was like, you're going to change your sound. You're going to totally do something different. Like, okay, we're still going to show up and we're still going to be excited. And like, you think about it kind of in the context of like the art that happened at the Great Went and when they're passing the seas of art and you know, Trey's talking about it, like, representing the energy that goes between the crowd and them. And then the hood happens and the first glow stick war happens, and it kind of explodes. And Trey's like, oh, you're making this art for me too. And there's so many moments of that that I think that this tour really kind of settled that for the band, that people were going to be with them even if they completely changed everything up and took wild risks.

[RJ]

Yeah.

[Brian]

And that's kind of a lesson we talked about in our last episode with Summer 95. Like, those are really difficult, long jams that they learned. The fan base will be able to. They'll. They'll be able to hang, you know, even when we go completely off, you know, off the radar. But here they're doing it in a way that is under a new style of music that they have not played prior. I think one thing that's really interesting is, like, you know, the 810 show that is on my list of shows that needs to get released 100%.

[RJ]

Yeah.

[Brian]

Blown away that we don't have a fully released copy of that. It's one of the best shows, one of the most complete, fascinating shows of the overall tour of their entire era or of their entire career. But you go one night earlier, Alpine Valley. I don't want to steal your thunder in a sort of way, Meg. So I'm just going to try to support it. But, like, you have this really magical moment in the middle of the second set where they go Mike's song into Ain't Love Funny. The this. This cover that I fully advocate for coming back and being in the rotation. It's beautiful. It's really sad. It's really aching. But, like, you don't hear them really, in that mic song. Lean into funk. You hear them, though, play within each other in a really fascinating way. It's kind of this, like, hive mind approach. And then it lands in a song that, when you think about the stereotypical sound of. Of 1997, has almost no place in the. But fits perfectly in terms of what they're communicating and works to me just as well as the next nights, fully. Just like, we're gonna give you guys a peek inside the jamming rehearsals of that second set in Deer Creek. It's just wild to see from night to night they play in these two very different styles of music that. I mean, most bands would do a separate tour as a result of. Like, this is. This is the same band evolving over time.

[Megan]

I like that example a lot because that is one of my favorite moments of this tour. That ain't love funny, it's just absolute beautiful moment. Yeah. It's so cool to think about how they were playing and how different it was at times. Just in the same night to night and even in the same night it's pretty cool. But man, that 8, 10 show RJ, like you were there and that's fucking cool because that good times, bad times is unbelievable.

[RJ]

Yeah. So strange the whole thing. But they do like in the cities, they get into this like melodic space and I mean the hood has that like major minor, you know, thing that just is so powerful. It's such pretty amazing. Okay, so we, we have to keep talking, but we should take a quick break and then we should talk more about shows and jams for you all. Hey, this is Dewey Halpus, host of Pure Pleasure on the Sound Talent Media Podcast network. Join me each week as I explore.

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[RJ]

I was talking to someone this weekend who's a fan of the pod and they said that they listen to these top 25 shows and then they go like, make a list of shows they have to go back to because we say such insightful things. So good job.

[Megan]

Oh yeah, we can't forget at the end to give a list of what we've Done so far, the top 25 so far. Just making a note.

[Brian]

I also admittedly have been very, very bad this year about posting my lists and recommendations on our HF POD blog, which is still a thing. I will be doing that once we conclude this. You'll have the entire 25. These are the shows you should listen to. These are the jams that we recommend you guys listen to. So that will come as well, so that there's at least something of a guide. Because as I think about this, as we get closer to number one, we're like, compiling. If you ever. I don't know what to listen to. You can literally utilize our lists here. And you have the best fish jams and best fish shows that have ever been played at your disposal.

[Megan]

Yeah, it's a pretty epic list. Yeah, we'll get out and I'll put that. What we've got so far. The top whatever we've done so far up through six. I'll post that.

[RJ]

So let's just talk about the second. The last show of the tour. Can we do that?

[Megan]

Yeah, we gotta go there.

[Brian]

Well, can we just talk about the great win? Let's just talk about the great one in general, because this is proof of concept. It worked. The year before Clifford Ball. Amazing. Neither of you went to the Great Wind?

[RJ]

Nope.

[Brian]

Did you have an idea, as you were on this tour, that this is leading to another Clifford Ball, but, like, even more remote and wild and far away and incredible?

[RJ]

Yeah. I don't even remember it being, like, on my radar. I mean, like, I knew it was happening, but it was, like, not. It was just, like, not a thing I was doing.

[Brian]

You knew you were going to these shows and that was it.

[RJ]

Yeah.

[Megan]

Yeah.

[RJ]

It seemed like it was like, in another world.

[Brian]

Yeah.

[Megan]

These were really far and they were right before college started. So, like, that's why I couldn't go to Clifford Ball. I was going to school in Arizona and it was. It was like four days before school started. And I couldn't afford to, like, fly back for school. And so I'm pretty sure it was a similar kind of thing where it's just going to be too far. Yeah, I was, like, working, you know, just busy. But I don't even. Nobody. I don't remember, like, it being a big thing that I was, like, upset. I was really focused on, like, not missing the New Year's runs at this point. That was, like, a big focus for me. But. Yeah.

[Brian]

Can I share one little anecdote?

[Megan]

Yeah.

[Brian]

So that week is the first time I ever Heard a fish.

[RJ]

Wow.

[Megan]

How do you remember that? That's amazing. You have the best memory of anybody I know. This is.

[Brian]

It's a very weird, weird. But thank you for complimenting it. I was at summer camp, which was about 40 minutes away from Alpine Valley. And all of the camp counselors in my summer camp were talking about how they just went to see fish at Alpine Valley. And I don't know why, but it like will never like leave my brain. How many times this one guy said, I just want to go to the great winds. And like the phrase the great wind just sounded so weird. Like that was just like, who?

[RJ]

Yeah.

[Megan]

What is that?

[Brian]

What weird words to combine together. And now I know like the Twin Peaks thing and obviously fish. But like I remember like, I just remember like, like fish, ghost, Alpine valley, the great wet. These were words that like, would come to mean a lot to me. And I heard them as a 12 year old boy at summer camp who was like, probably homesick to a certain degree.

[Megan]

I love how I'm like, I don't really remember what it was like being at this famous show in the 90s. And Brian's like, I remember the exact moment that I first heard fish. It's so great. Thank you for having a collective memory for the rest of us.

[Brian]

I'm just a really big fan.

[RJ]

The reason that I love the 817 show so much is that there's a lot happening, including. You guys know how entertained I am by Buffalo Bill still every time I hear it. There's two things in the show that I think are really awesome. One is that the tweezer is like, this is like we have arrived in fall 97 in this tweezer and you can hear it kind of evolve over time. But it's like this, that sound, the whole thing like comes together in that tweezer and it's but, but can we just talk about. We'll just. Let's just talk about the bathtub gin for a second because this is like. It's like basically like the being at the end of like a marathon and you like turn the corner to the last strap stretch and then the last stretch, you're just like. It's adrenaline and it's like emotion. It's just so incredible. And the way that it like winds down after the peak is. Just feels so emotional and it's just. What a incredible moment. That's like a top moment in, in fish history. Just every time, every time I listen to it, it's like, kidding me.

[Megan]

It's so effortless. And cohesive. It just feels like one giant. Not really exhale, but just one giant like piece of breath. I don't know how to explain it. There's just, there's. It never seems to be searching. It always feels so like sure of its path. But it's so different from the disease, which is like right before it. I mean that gets really like quiet and, and sexy and like really pretty and contemplative. But it's not like this. This is just, just. It's just pure joy, but not in a. In an obvious way. I don't know. It's so beautiful. It's absolutely stunning jam.

[Brian]

Yeah. Listening to the tour we're going to talk about next week and a lot of the earlier tours, a lot of the really good earlier tours. This kind of hopeful, melodic playing the hose you would hear in Harryhood. You would hear Enslaved at the Traffic Light almost primarily. And everything else from a jamming standpoint would either get really weird or really aggressive or really riffy or really quick. Like the idea that they took that emotion and put it as the capstone of an entire jam and it all was made up on the fly. Like everything else I've said that I love about this tour, like that is. That is maybe the most impressive thing because it's them writing songs and writing music in real time and stuff that like when you listen back to your. You play that for someone who has no idea what improvisational music is, what Fish is. And it sounds like something that's pre written that they're literally reading off charts. And then the fact that it comes after this like spaced out jazzy, really weird, Slow down with disease. I mean I. I think there's an argument to be made. Don't accuse me being hyperbolic here, but there's an argument to be made that this is the best set that Fish has ever played in their entire history.

[Megan]

Definitely one of the best for sure.

[Brian]

If you think of it. Time and place Tour finale, festival finale, disease, gin Uncle Penn 2001. The first one to really go out there.

[Megan]

So good too.

[Brian]

It's a great one. And then the connection between the fan and the, and the, and the, and the band between the art jam and then the reveal of the art and. And they're. They're going to send that out to be. To be burned and they're gonna, they're gonna have everything be collect, you know, connected together between fan and band. Trey saying like we literally can't do this without any of you. Like the whole reason we're Here is because of you all. And then they play fucking Harry Hood. And like Megan said, it's the first one with a glow stick war, which. Save your opinions about the environment. Like, glow stick wars look really cool, and they're a part of the Fish mystique. Like, let's just be real. Don't throw them at people. But, like, you know, they look really nice. And, like, that was something that, to that point in fish's history, just didn't exist and suddenly became, like, a thing that we have at every Fish show in these very special moments. Like. And then they walk off the stage and they come back and they still have one more set to play. Like, it's just. There's a. There's an argument to be made that this is. This is, if not the best, One of the best sets they've ever played in their career.

[RJ]

Yeah.

[Megan]

Yeah, I buy it. I buy it, too. I love listening to Trey when he's like, keep throwing those things. Get more of them. Like, let's keep doing it. But it reminds me on a much less or scale, clearly not as epic. But on at Mondegreen, I think it was the third night, they open with mics, and Mike's side just exploded with beach balls. And there were hundreds and hundreds of beach balls just flying over the crowd all at the same moment right when Mike started. And it was just one of those moments, and you could see the band, like, like, loving it. And it was just one of those moments of, like, the crowd and the band creating this, like, joy together, and we're giving them back to each other and this energy exchange and just. I love that. And I love that that's kind of immoralized, memorialized in that moment. And I cannot believe there's not an official release of the great went.

[RJ]

Yeah.

[Megan]

What is happening?

[RJ]

The sound is pretty good because it was like, matter. It was like radio. Right? So it's not like the Deer Creek show sounds horrible still.

[Megan]

Yeah, that sounds horrible.

[RJ]

And we're like half a century later. I mean.

[Megan]

Yeah. But then all of a sudden, you have to hear them go, go. WKRX or whatever he does. Like, in the middle of the fucking. At the end of the art jam, and you're like, stop.

[RJ]

Well, it's part of the. But it's part of the experience.

[Megan]

It is kind of cute. You're like, oh, it's radio. Yeah.

[RJ]

Yeah.

[Brian]

We should probably get into shows that we want to recommend. But I do just want to say, from night one, and this is just, you know, more origin stories for me. So I apologize to anyone who wants to tap out at this point in time, but I. I bought Rift. I bought a live one, and then my mom bought me for my birthday in 2001, the DVD of Bittersweet Motel. And the only reason she bought it was because she knew I really liked Dave Matthews Band, and she was at Best Buy, and there was, like, a recommendation of, like, Fish's Bittersweet Motel next to a Dave Matthews Band DVD she'd already got me, so she bought it for me, and she was like, I hope you like it. And I watched it. And the. The solo that Trey does from that simple on night one, like that is the reason I'm a Fish fan. I never heard anything like that. I'd never like his. His hat's all weird. His shirt's way too big. He, like, bends over at some point in time while he's, like, really emphasizing the notes. And it's just. It sounds unlike any other exit jam from a Simple that we get. And then it goes in that weird Odd Couple jam. And at some point, you get my soul, which is forgivable because it's a. But I just want to throw that out there. Like, that is that. And the squirming coil when Paige just looks out at 70,000 people and just goes, stick around and walks away. Oh, my God.

[Megan]

Such a boss move.

[RJ]

Can I. Before we move off of this, can I just do a quick tangent? Because I meant to do this, like, last week, and then I didn't.

[Brian]

Summer 97. This is the tangent episode.

[RJ]

Well, because you met. Because you mentioned Dave Matthews, and I should have done this a long time ago, but I wanted to quickly, while we're talking about Dave Matthews, which we're not, but while it came up, talk about our friends at the corner of Gray street, which is a. An Osiris podcast. It's. It's about Dave Matthews, and they interviewed Rick from Goose about his Dave Matthews fandom. And I. It's such an amazing conversation. If you like Dave Matthews, if you like Goose. But to hear these three guys, like, really go deep on Dave Matthews was. Was really cool. And I think, you know, so many of us had those experiences with Dave Matthews back in the mid to mid to late 90s that. Anyway, I really enjoyed. I really enjoyed that.

[Brian]

I just wanted to lead to Goose covering Crush or the Stone.

[Megan]

Oh, my God, that'd be amazing.

[RJ]

I don't know.

[Brian]

There's so many bartender. Like, bartender.

[RJ]

Rick loves bartender. Yeah, obviously.

[Megan]

Maybe. Well, they are playing at, you know, at Msg in a few weeks, Dave Matthews fan is going to be there. Yep, and so is Goose. I'll be there. So who knows what's going to happen?

[RJ]

Who knows what's going to happen? Something. All right, Brian, Megan, tell us a show that we need to, like, make sure to not miss.

[Megan]

Okay, but before we do that, since it's tangent time, can I just tell two really important, short little things about my experience on this tour, one of which I told you recently and you did not know this about me, and that is I have gotten rid of all of my pictures from this tour that I took because this is so great. I shaved my dreadlocks off before this. And what happened was I cut my dreadlocks off and my hair looked horrendous. And my friend was like, let's just shave your head. And so I shaved my head. And so I had a shaved head. And so when I was at these shows in Virginia Beach, I had a whole round of film that my friend took of us in the parking lot. And I had a homemade dress on and some really bad sneakers and a shaved head. And so these pictures no longer exist. And if you have some of them, you better burn them and get rid of them.

[RJ]

We gotta see these.

[Megan]

I have a few pictures of me with a shaved head, but not from this tour. And the other thing is, the next night in Walnut Creek, my parents came. They lived outside of Raleigh then. And they came to the show and it was a torrential rainstorm. Everybody knows the story. It was epic. And my parents sat in ponchos up on the lawn and got rained on the entire show, stuck it out, and I went down into the pavilion and danced with my friends and did not hang out with them, even though they were at their first fish show, to do something with me. And because I had asked them, because fish means so much to me. Me. And yeah, so it was a real 19 year old's move there that summer. But it was. It was a crazy summer. But yes, we can get back on topic now.

[RJ]

No, no, no, that was good. Thank you for. Thank you for bringing that up. I gotta. If you're out there and you have summer 97 photos and you see someone with a shaved head that looks like Megan, please send us the photos.

[Megan]

No, don't. Please do not.

[RJ]

Just please do. Thank you.

[Megan]

I thought you guys knew that I had shaved my head, but apparently I think.

[RJ]

I think I knew that. I knew that you had dreads and then they went away. But I didn' realize that you had a whole, like, Time that you were.

[Megan]

I mean, for like nine months a year I did not have a shape for.

[RJ]

This is so great. Okay, what do you got Megan for shows?

[Megan]

Well, I feel like we've talked about a lot of them. I mean, I feel like 810 has to be released. I think the great one to should be released even regardless of the fact that we already have it. But I really do like that731 shoreline show you've got that had a great limb by limb. The yam that closes the first set just has that magical jam the gym we talked about. And then I love this mics too. It has that like really like rocking authority to such an intense peak. So I think this would be a great show to release as well.

[RJ]

Brian, what about you?

[Brian]

I second all those shows. I'm just going to add eight two Night one of the Gorge. This is just a really strong, complete show. You get a great theme from the bottom to open Ghost midway through the first set. Beautiful divided sky. Great Wolfman's huge melt and set one. And then the disease into Tweezer. And this is the first Tweezer since February, which is really fascinating. Second set gets a little songy after that, but you do get the sirens in Waiting in the velvet sea that we all love. And then you get a Harry Hood encore where Trey asks Corrod to turn off the lights, which is both one of the coolest things that Kuroda would do and also probably like. What? Are you serious, man? You want me to turn off the lights? This is my job. But you know, playing Harryhood in the dark on the side of that, you know, just that, that. That amphitheater that looks over the Columbia river, you feel like you are in the middle of absolute nowhere because you are underneath the stars. Hearing that song is just an amazing thing. So I think that that's. That's one of the shows that like, I think this whole tour, there are a few of that should be released in full. I would pay $5,000, you know, for the. The numbered box set type of thing, whatever it's going to be. But like, this is one of those tours where we should ultimately get that. But a two's got to be there.

[Megan]

I like that.

[RJ]

I like when. I like when I get the emails from like grateful dead.net and it's like these four shows from 78 are being released and it's 600 CDs and you're like, like, who's buying? Who's buying this? It's going to take up an entire Room just to like store these 600 CDs. It's like, you know, each one is what, like 20 minutes?

[Brian]

It's like Dylan releasing an entire tour that of, of the same show over and over again. And I'm like, I'm a, I'm a huge Dylan fan, but there's. If Fish were to do this, if Fish were to release full tours on box set, I'm absolutely buying it because I think it's absolutely necessary.

[Megan]

Yeah, that's different.

[RJ]

It is different. I, we talked about Alpine briefly, but the Reba from Alpine Valley is, is really just super powerful. What a great. That, that shows. It's strange, but it's also, I don't know, I don't know if you guys, you were talking about the Ain't the Funny earlier, but it felt like they were, they were kind of getting, leading into these more emotional kind of like jams as the tour went on. And I wonder if that was just how it evolved organically or what. But you, I feel like you get more of those in the last kind of, you know, third of the tour.

[Brian]

Yeah, I mean, I wonder if there was a sense of how well things were going. They just were feeling reflective and almost more emotional because you definitely hear that. But I don't know. It's a good thought.

[RJ]

That's all. That's. I think that, I think we've literally talked about every single other thing that I had notes on.

[Megan]

We did a good job.

[RJ]

What do you got, Megan?

[Megan]

Yeah, I know.

[RJ]

I think what's your, what's your life Fish? What's your life Fish recommendation?

[Megan]

If I only have one, I would say it's probably 8, 10.

[RJ]

Yep.

[Brian]

Same like if it's just gonna be a digital only. I think that I'm in agreement with you guys. I think if we're getting, if we're talking releases like, like what they did with Philly this year, the great went.

[Megan]

It has to be.

[Brian]

I get that we're waiting on the band not playing music anymore to release these big shows 10, 20, 30 years from now when we all are cashing our Social Security checks that I hope we still have, and we all got retirement flowing in and we're like, oh, yeah, I'm going to spend $25,000 on a gold plated big Cypress. Come on. I, I, I'm gonna do that. But there is something magical about the band playing right now still and saying, hey, for any of you getting into the band, this is a festival that we once played that meant a lot and we really, really Recommend you all listen to it. And for all of you who have been around, here's something for you to hold that like. Like showcases an amazing memory or something that happened as you were getting into this band.

[Megan]

And maybe then they could listen to it before they play a festival too, as, like, a cool thing to do.

[Brian]

Well, I'm just fascinated that we got you comparing Monda Green's emotional peak to the great. Wow, five minutes later, ripping it apart. You, you, you and your emotional peak.

[Megan]

It was just a moment similar to.

[RJ]

It when you brought up Monag Green. I thought you were going to say something horrible, but. But you actually said something really nice about it.

[Brian]

I love talk about. Talk about pissing in the ears of your listeners. Right? No, I'm joking. I'm joking. Great moments from Mondegreen. We should start calling you meg de green.

[RJ]

725 would be my other choice because I think that show is really unique and fun and the sound isn't great. And I think, like. Like, there's some really fun, fun moments in that show.

[Megan]

Sorry, I'm distracted by the chat. I mean, did the. We have Questlove.

[RJ]

I know, I know.

[Megan]

It's so good.

[Brian]

That's an all, all timer comment. Just like, right on the money. That's great.

[RJ]

Okay, do we have one.

[Brian]

One big takeaway that we can all say here? Yeah, because I got like a paragraph I want to read here. Yeah, I mean, I worked really hard on it.

[RJ]

I feel like, you know, this is the beginning of the next. You know, the new. The Next era, which I think is pretty cool. I don't know if I thought about that before going back to this, but you can hear, like I was saying about 817. It sets up this. It sets up this next tour. That's just monstrous. And. And I think about the la. The next show I saw after 811 was champagne 11 19, which was like, so different. And so, like, that's when, to me, like, every. Well, because I saw a bunch of 97 fall 97 shows. Every show is fucking amazing. Yeah, it was just like, every day is great. Every day is great. And that this. This tour set it up, as you were kind of alluding to earlier, Brian.

[Brian]

Yeah, it does. I mean, my. My big thought is that the reinvention experiment worked. Not only did they figure out a way to reshape their sound around groove, thus increasing democratic jamming, but their fan base seems to love it. They played some of the best shows of their career, all while taking massive risks. And they leave Limestone knowing that they're on a high. As long as they maintain it, they're still going to play one of the greatest tours of their lives. But for now, they've extended the Fish mystique while restructuring what it means going forward. I think that, like, we're going forward knowing that they can do anything. And I think, to your point, yeah, this is the. This is the start of this next era of Fish in a really, really phenomenal way, but also can be seen as this kind. Kind of celebration of what they've done.

[RJ]

Megan, what do you have?

[Megan]

You know, when we Talked about the top tour 21, the summer Europe tour, I talked about the funk being a passageway, not a destination. And this is their first use of a certain type of music to get them to a new style of jamming. And it's so successful for them, and I think it was so exciting for them and for the fan base and. And, yeah, I just think it just reinvigorates them, and it's thrilling to imagine what's going to happen next for them. And I'm so excited we get to cover that tour. But I think reflecting on this tour, I don't think I realized how much they evolved during this tour. And that was really exciting to listen back to. Just seeing that evolution happen in real.

[Brian]

Time felt the same.

[RJ]

Do you guys want me to read you something from The Farmer's Almanac Volume 6?

[Megan]

Please.

[Brian]

Yes, please, please.

[RJ]

Which is a reader review. You know, they had reader. They had, like, submissions for every show. This one from 8 11, the second night of deer Creek reads in part the Squirming Encore, Screaming Coil Encore was great. Beautiful solo by Paige. But besides that, there was nothing special. Let me rephrase this bad show, Good Guy Yuty, that was submitted by a gentleman named RJ Be. So I just want to share that with you guys. I don't think I've ever shared that publicly before.

[Megan]

My God, that's unbelievable.

[RJ]

Still, I'm still pretty. I'm. I'm still embarrassed by it, but I wanted to share it with you guys as we. As we wrap up this. This tour.

[Megan]

That's amazing.

[Brian]

If I gave you my fantasy tour handle from the mid-2000s, you would probably find much more embarrassing stuff. But that is amazing. I. I read that book cover to cover in the fall of 2001 while trying to learn a lot about fish, which means I read your insights.

[RJ]

Yeah, there's some other ones, there's some good ones, but I only read you the bad ones.

[Megan]

That's amazing. What a. What a moment captured.

[RJ]

They probably. Whoever read that was like, we're. We're gonna keep. We're gonna put this idiot in here. Can you believe this? Okay.

[Megan]

Little did they know.

[RJ]

Little do they know. Okay, so next week we have the only tour remaining that was outside the top 10 from the fan perspective. It was ranked number 12 by fans and number 5 by us. Brian, do you want to tell us what tour this is?

[Brian]

Yeah, you should all be ashamed to yourselves because this deserved to be in the top five. This is Summer 1993, a tour that broke the mold for Fish. We don't have summer 97. We don't have fall 97. We don't have anything from 94. We don't have anything from 95 without this tour. This is one of the most important tours that any band has ever embarked upon. I cannot wait to talk about it. There is so much that happens in this tour that reshapes who Fish was for the first 10 years of their career and who they are going forward and in very different ways than what we just talked about in terms of the reinvention from. From this year. I'm so, so excited to get into this. It. It holds up in ways that just look like. Like you look at summer 97 and fall 97 on a piece of paper and you're like, holy crap, that looks like the coolest set list I've ever seen. Oh my God. I can only imagine 20 minute version because there's like four songs in a set. This does not look like that. But when you get into it, oh my God, there's so much depth going on here. There's so many wild, crazy chances at risk taken. I can't wait.

[RJ]

It's a good one, Brian. Just for logistical purposes, let's just say that we have listeners who haven't gone back to this tour yet or co hosts. There's at least two one set horde shows. Are these. Are we including those? Are we only including, like, are we. Are those part of our listening or is it only the two set shows?

[Brian]

I. That's a good question because I go through via the jam charts and then listen based off of shows that are flowing as I do my re. Listen. So I think I had. Well, I guess this may be the easiest way to put it is very like until the most unfished city in America gets one of the best Fish shows to that point in time in early August. So you can kind of hop around. But once you get to August, man, you are going to be just like, yeah, you're going to Be swimming. Oh, it's unbelievable.

[RJ]

It's pretty great.

[Megan]

Oh, my gosh. I'm excited. Good.

[RJ]

It's going to be good. I love. I love forbin77's comment about what I read earlier. He said, our luxury is regrettable takes were only amongst friends back then. So true Regrettable takes now.

[Megan]

Unless you send them to the farmer's almanac and then they live on forever.

[RJ]

Forever. Oh, I didn't even know I liked coyote. All right, guys, we did it.

[Megan]

At least she didn't talk about Fortune 46 days or something. It wasn't around then. Yeah.

[Brian]

Before we go. Before we go.

[RJ]

Yes.

[Brian]

We should go through our top. We should. We should remind fans of where we're at heading into the top five. I got a list pulled up in front of me. Do you want me to go through it or you guys want to hop back? All right, so our. I'm not going to share the fan vote. We're going to do all. We're going to do, like, a recap episode where we're kind of gonna figure out where all the. If we got everything right. But just so you guys know where we got to the top five here. So tour number 20 is fall 96. Tour number 24 is spring 1992. Number 23 is fall 2018. Number 22 is spring 94. Number 21 is summer Europe 1997. Number 20 is summer 1999. 19 is summer Japan 2000. 18, spring 2023. 17, winter slash spring 1993. 16, fall 2013. 15, fall 98. 14, summer 03. 13, summer 2015. 12, winter 99. 11, summer 2017. 10, winter 2003. 9, summer 1994. 8, fall 2021. 7. Summer 1995. And we just concluded number six, summer US 1997. And we'll be back next week with number five, which is summer 1993.

[Megan]

Thanks for running. Listening to those just makes me remember, like, it's funny which ones pop out as, like, my favorites that I like that the journey of listening back to it was my favorite in school.

[RJ]

Yeah. We'll have to recap it at the end, right?

[Brian]

Yeah, yeah, we'll do that at some point before the end of this year or early next year. But really excited to continue. We've got five tours left. Lots and lots of really great music coming up. A lot of just like, like, hyperbole and just gushing.

[RJ]

So much.

[Brian]

Amazing fish. Some great memories.

[RJ]

And, Brian, the first week of December, I think, is when we're going to do our next draft.

[Megan]

Our next draft I'm nervous just thinking about it.

[Brian]

Which is going to be our 25 plus minute jam draft. So we have a list.

[Megan]

So many. The list is. It's really big.

[Brian]

Meg, just so you know, you don't have to listen to every jam in the draft the way you strategize. Well, actually I won't tell you how to strategize. Never mind.

[Megan]

Listen, I know how to strategize. It's just that I don't have the kind of memory where I can remember which jams are which just by the freaking number dates like you two weirdos can remember. You're the weird ones. It just happens to work really well for this podcast.

[RJ]

It's true. That's why we do this.

[Megan]

I know, but my brain doesn't really. That's. To me, that's just a bunch of numbers.

[RJ]

Yeah, it's regular, right? In regular life, it's different.

[Brian]

All I'll say is as a 16 year old, bright eyed, bushy tailed kid who got into this hippie band, I logged on to a fantasy tour forum one day and said, hey guys, who wants to tell me about the good Fish shows? And everyone came at me was like, get the out of here noob. You don't know what you're talking about. And because of that, because of that, I developed this brain for this band. Not. Not for the US stock market, not for any newfound technology, not for banking, not for architecture, for fish.

[RJ]

I agree, I agree with that origin story.

[Megan]

It's your superpower origin story.

[RJ]

I, I started in a similar place. I think you have to like, you had to, you had to figure some of it out yourself before people started like giving you the time of day.

[Megan]

Yeah.

[RJ]

You know.

[Brian]

Yes, yes, that's. There's a lot of pressure.

[RJ]

So to, to the incredible perps question, how many 25 plus minute jams are there in total? At least 100 and at least 120 based on my estimate of looking at the sheet.

[Megan]

A lot.

[RJ]

There's a lot actually, actually more than that. Probably like 150.

[Megan]

Way more, right?

[RJ]

Yeah, maybe 150.

[Brian]

30. Yeah, there's, there's like 150. It gets so the way we have it organized, just so, just so you know, so you all can prepare.

[RJ]

We will share the list right before.

[Brian]

Yeah, we're going to share the list probably. We should probably share it in the next week. But we have I think eight sections broken down. Some of them based on timing. There's less jams than there are others. As we all know, those are the segments that are really difficult, it's like drafting a quarterback. There's like three good quarterbacks. Maybe one of them works out. So, you know, you have to, you have to really think hard in some of those segments. Some of the other ones that there's been a lot of 25 to 26 minute long jams that are included in this list. That should totally be included in this list. But ultimately you could pick five of those and be happy.

[RJ]

It's gonna be so fun. It's gonna be so fun. Fun. By the time we join you all again and you join us next Monday, we will be. We will be. We will be one week closer to the end of this, this amazing series. So thank you guys.

[Megan]

Yeah, see you on Monday. We're gonna be back on Monday, right?

[RJ]

We're gonna be back on Monday. We may have a new, we may have a new president by then. We may not.

[Brian]

I hope we do. We'll, we'll, we'll. You all take care of this week. Week. It's going to be a, it's going to be a week. Everybody take care, whatever you're doing, wherever you're at, and we'll see you soon.

[Megan]

Thanks, everybody. Osiris My dad works in B2B marketing.

[Brian]

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[RJ]

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[Megan]

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[RJ]

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[Brian]

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[Megan]

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[Brian]

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[RJ]

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[Brian]

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