An attack at a U.K. synagogue; “Weaponization of faith & policy”; Pope Leo XIV speaks on U.S. politics

Summary

Podcast Summary: Here's the Scoop – October 2, 2025

Episode Focus:
This episode covers a deadly attack at a Manchester synagogue on Yom Kippur, the latest developments in the Israel-Gaza conflict and peace negotiations, and an unprecedented public statement on U.S. politics and faith by Pope Leo XIV, the first American pope. The reporting features on-the-ground insights, global context, and commentary from NBC correspondents.

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Major Story 1: Attack at Manchester Synagogue on Yom Kippur

[01:13 – 04:45]
Host: Brian Chung
Guest: Richard Engel (Chief Foreign Correspondent, NBC News, Reporting from Jerusalem)

Key Discussion Points:

• Synagogue Attack:

  • On Yom Kippur, a man rammed a car into the crowd at Heaton Park Hebrew Congregation, Manchester, UK, and stabbed several people.
  • Two killed, four seriously injured. Suspect believed dead. Declared a terrorist incident by UK authorities.
  • Engel describes: “He was wearing a flak jacket. He was wearing what looked like a bomb. He had a shaved head, he had a beard…holding what seemed to be one finger extended, which is a symbol that ISIS has used in the past.” (Richard Engel, 02:50)

• Context & Initial Reactions:

  • Attack specifically targeted Jews, on their holiest day.
  • Quote: “An attack on our Jewish community today on Yom Kippur is devastating.” (Brian Chung, 01:36)
  • UK police increasing patrols at Jewish sites nationwide; full mobilization.

• Impact in Israel:

  • Yom Kippur means much of Israel is shut down—news spreads slowly.
  • Engel: “Most of Israel is shut down…You go to Israeli newspaper websites, they’re not being updated. News isn’t traveling as quickly as it would normally be because of the Jewish holiday.” (Richard Engel, 04:07)
  • Widespread grief and unease expected in Jewish communities globally.

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Major Story 2: Israel-Gaza Peace Talks & Anniversary Tensions

[04:45 – 10:01]
Host: Brian Chung
Guest: Richard Engel

Key Discussion Points:

• Peace Plan Unveiled:

  • President Trump and Israeli PM Netanyahu released a 20-point proposal for ending the Gaza war.
  • Hamas is deeply skeptical; plan seen as “a surrender” from their perspective.
    • “If you’ve read the 20 points, Hamas would have to immediately release all of the hostages, which is the only leverage they have at this stage...destroy their tunnels, get out of power and never come back to power again.” (Richard Engel, 05:04)

• On-the-ground Developments:

  • Despite apparent negotiations, Israeli military actions have intensified to pressure Hamas.
  • “The IDF is absolutely stepping up…to try and convince Hamas to take the deal and not to try and back out of it.” (Richard Engel, 06:11)

• Endgame and Open Questions:

  • While a halt in large-scale combat may be possible, future governance, freedoms, and daily life in Gaza remain uncertain.
  • “Maybe that comes to an end if Hamas takes this deal. But I don’t think it’s by any stretch of the imagination the end of the war, the end of the conflict. What happens next for Gaza is totally vague.” (Richard Engel, 06:56)

• Upcoming Anniversary Pressure:

  • October 7th marks two years since initial escalation; families of hostages and Israeli society remain haunted by that date.
  • “For him and his family, it feels like they’re still stuck on October 7th...” (Richard Engel, 09:16)

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Major Story 3: Pope Leo XIV Speaks Out on U.S. Politics and Faith

[12:10 – 19:47]
Host: Brian Chung
Guests: Ann Thompson (NBC News Vatican Correspondent)

Key Discussion Points:

• Historic Papal Intervention:

  • Pope Leo XIV, the first American pope (formerly Robert Francis Prevost), offered pointed critiques of U.S. immigration policy and abortion politics.
  • Quote: “Someone who says I’m against abortion but says I’m in favor of the death penalty is not really pro-life…if you are against abortion, but support…the inhumane treatment of immigrants in this country…I don’t know if that’s pro-life.” (Pope Leo XIV, paraphrased by Brian Chung, 12:43)

• Trigger for Papal Statement:

  • Controversy arose after Chicago Archbishop Card. Cupich planned to honor Sen. Durbin (D-IL) for pro-migrant work; conservative Catholics objected due to Durbin’s abortion rights support.
  • Ann Thompson: “This is how this question came to Pope Leo—all the way over in Italy…” (13:24)

• American Catholic Reaction:

  • Conservative backlash as this is Pope Leo’s first major comment on U.S. controversies.
    • “He is in the paper doll phase of his papacy—everybody is sort of pinning their hopes on him…and this is the first time…he has said anything about really any specific issue in the United States…” (Ann Thompson, 15:56)

• Broader Perspective on Faith and Policy:

  • Both Pope Leo and his predecessor Francis focus on totality of life and social justice, not single-issue litmus tests.
  • “It’s kind of the weaponization of faith and politics, if you will. It keeps coming up…and coming up with no apparent resolution in sight.” (Ann Thompson, 17:32)

• Climate Change Advocacy:

  • Continuation of Vatican’s concern for the environment and marginalized peoples.
    • “There’s a big conference at the Vatican this week about climate change and trying to get that back into the forefront of the world’s attention. In fact, Arnold Schwarzenegger,... is over there saying he wants to terminate climate change.” (Ann Thompson, 19:20)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the attack's symbolism:
  “He was holding what seemed to be one finger extended, which is a symbol that ISIS has used in the past.”
  (Richard Engel, 02:50)

• On the nature of a "resolution" to the Gaza conflict:
  “I think we could be closer to ending this stage of the war...But I don’t think it’s by any stretch of the imagination the end of the war, the end of the conflict. What happens next for Gaza is totally vague.”
  (Richard Engel, 06:56)

• Pope Leo XIV on the complexity of "pro-life":
  “Someone who says I’m against abortion but says I’m in favor of the death penalty is not really pro-life.”
  (Pope Leo XIV, paraphrased by Brian Chung, 12:43)

• On an American pope:
  “I’m still having a hard time getting used to the fact that we have a pope that speaks with a Chicago accent.”
  (Ann Thompson, 16:43)

• On faith and politics collisions:
  “It’s kind of the weaponization of faith and politics, if you will. It keeps coming up…with no apparent resolution in sight.”
  (Ann Thompson, 17:32)

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Additional Headlines & Quick Hits

[19:54 – 23:27]

• LaGuardia Airport: Two connection flights collided on the ground, minor injuries, no passenger harm. FAA investigating.
• Higher Education Policy: Trump administration’s memo to colleges: proposed restrictions on admissions, diversity, tuition, international student quotas in exchange for “priority” federal treatment—critics see it as forced politicization of academia.
• MLB Playoffs: Dodgers advance; chaos in other divisions; Yankees force decisive Game 3.
• HINT at Entertainment: NSync teases reunion tour—potentially minus Justin Timberlake.

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Episode Takeaways:

• Security threats to religious communities remain grave, even during days of worship.
• The Israel-Gaza conflict’s possible shift hinges on external pressure and internal division, yet no lasting resolution appears imminent.
• The first American pope is already a lightning rod, challenging both church and state boundaries and calling for compassion over ideology.
• The intersection of faith, policy, and identity is “weaponized” more than ever in contemporary society.

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“If you are against abortion, but support what he called the inhumane treatment of immigrants in this country, that he does not think is pro-life.”
(Ann Thompson, paraphrasing Pope Leo XIV, 14:20)

For further details, listen to the full episode of "Here’s the Scoop" from October 2, 2025.

Transcript

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[Brian Chung]

Hey, everybody, and welcome to here's the scoop from NBC News. I'm Brian Chung. Well, guys, the government shutdown stretch into its second day today. There's not a lot of movement in the Capitol, honestly. The White House is saying that mass layoffs of federal workers are, quote, imminent. But they not giving a lot of specifics otherwise. With both the House and Senate out of session today, there's no hope for a spending deal until tomorrow at the earliest. So in the meantime, we're going to turn our attention elsewhere. Today marks Yom Kippur, the holiest day of the Jewish calendar. It's a day of atonement, which many Jews will observe by fasting and spending the day in prayer at synagogue. But at the Heaton Park Hebrew Congregation Synagogue in Manchester in the United Kingdom, that day of worship turned deadly after a man rammed a car into a crowd and stabbed several people. Two people were killed and four others were seriously injured. Greater Manchester police say they believe the suspect to be dead. And authorities in the UK have declared the attack a terrorist incident. They say they're stepping up patrols at synagogues and other Jewish sites. An attack on our Jewish community today on Yom Kippur is devastating. Communities across the UK would normally be marking this holy day are now grieving and worried about their safety. And I want to be clear, UK Policing is mobilizing and it's mobilizing fast. I'm going to turn now to our chief foreign correspondent, Richard Engel. Richard, thanks so much for being Here.

[Richard Engel]

Absolutely. Good to be with you.

[Brian Chung]

So tell us a little bit more about what we know about this incident. I mean, what is the significance of all of this happening specifically on Yom Kippur?

[Richard Engel]

So, first of all, we know that the police are describing it as a terrorist attack. So in their parlance, it means it's politically motivated, that it was ideologically motivated, not a random act of violence or not something personal. You saw someone attacking a synagogue, clearly a Jewish target on a Jewish holiday. He was wearing a flak jacket. He was wearing what looked like a bomb. He had a shaved head, he had a beard. He was in one photograph that I've. And he was holding what seemed to be one finger extended, which is a symbol that ISIS has used in the past. And I know that his house has already been inspected. Police are on the scene, SWAT teams, counterterrorism teams. So they're treating this like a major terrorist incident. So far, no conclusion and no definitive statement and no claim of responsibility. But looking at it at this stage, that's what it looks like.

[Brian Chung]

And you mentioned that there's still a lot of information that we're still trying to get on all of this, but nonetheless, authorities in the UK have already declared this a terrorist incident. You are in Jerusalem right now. How is the news being received there, especially on this day, which is of holy days?

[Richard Engel]

So it is not being widely distributed across the country here because it is Yom Kippur. So most of Israel is shut down. No cars on the streets, people aren't watching television. You go to a lot of Israeli newspaper websites, they're not being updated. News isn't traveling as quickly as it would normally be because of the Jewish holiday. So we haven't seen any real clear statements from the public or from the government, but I'm sure we will quite soon. Israel and obviously the Jewish world will be deeply disturbed and offended by this and worried by it.

[Brian Chung]

Let's zoom out and talk about a big story that's still unfolding there, which is this peace plan that President Trump and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu had discussed and unveiled earlier this week. It's a 20 point plan to end the war in Gaza. Where are we on that? Has Hamas said anything else as of late?

[Richard Engel]

So Hamas has not given a official response, but Hamas officials speaking and in an individual capacity, have been speaking, sometimes with their name, sometimes off the record, to various different news organizations. And they're expressing a lot of reservations. I mean, for. From Hamas perspective, the deal is a suicide plan. It's a surrender plan. If you've read the 20 points, Hamas would have to immediately release all of the hostages, which is the only leverage they have at this stage. They would have to lay down their arms, destroy their tunnels, get out of power and never come back to power again. But it's not like better deals are on the table and they're under enormous pressure and if they reject it, I think they're going to be scorned by many inside Gaza and many of their neighbors.

[Brian Chung]

Yeah, well, I mean, tell us about kind of what's happened in the region since that 20 point plan was unveiled. I mean, you would imagine that during those negotiations, like, maybe things would quiet down. But it appears that the IDF is actually stepping.

[Richard Engel]

Oh, the IDF is absolutely stepping up because the IDF is trying to put pressure on Hamas. You know, President Trump said, okay, you have three, four days basically to the end of this week to decide whether you're going to take it or leave it. So Israel is putting on maximum pressure surrounding the city, bombing, attacking, to try and convince Hamas to take the deal and not to try and back out of it sometime and to try and put pressure on the Palestinian people, on the civilian population, so that they would be angry with Hamas if Hamas comes out and rejects this deal.

[Brian Chung]

So tell us about where we are in this conflict, because a lot has happened. Are we any closer on this day, October 2nd, to this getting resolved?

[Richard Engel]

Yes, I would say. And the question, and I don't want to sound like a lawyer here, what is getting resolved mean? I think we're getting closer potentially to ending major Israeli military operations in Gaza, which would be a great relief to the people of Gaza. It would also be a great relief to many Israelis. The Israelis want to bring their soldiers home and want to get off this war footing. Israelis don't want to feel ostracized anymore. Israelis are increasingly feeling blamed for what the country is doing and they're not being welcomed at certain resorts and they're being hassled. And you've probably seen all these videos online of Israeli tourists being shoved or spat on or things that are happening and they want that to stop. But why? I asked you the question. What do you mean by resolved? I think we could be closer to ending this stage of the war. Major military combat operations with divisions of Israeli soldiers surrounding Palestinian cities and carrying out what can only be described as carpet bombing. Maybe that comes to an end if Hamas takes this deal. But I don't think it's by any stretch of the imagination the end of the war, the end of the conflict. What happens next for Gaza is totally vague. Who's supposed to govern the territory? It remains unclear what's supposed to happen to the rebuilding process. Totally unclear what happens to the blockade. Will Gazans be allowed to travel and live like everybody else on the planet after this? Also an open question. And most Gazans say they probably will not be given rights and will not be allowed to live like you live and like I live, but they will remain in Gaza. What was a prison before the war and is now a destroyed prison if, if the war ends.

[Brian Chung]

We should also acknowledge that October 7th is coming up. That would be the two year anniversary from all of this really flaring up. Tell us about the significance of that date. Does that put any pressure on Hamas actually to try to figure something out before then?

[Richard Engel]

So this is Yom Kippur and it is a holy day, a solemn day for Jews. It is also a reminder of October 7th because right after Yom Kippur comes Sukkot, another Jewish holiday. And that holiday was underway when the October 7th attack happened. I spoke a couple of days ago to the brother of one of the hostages who is still in Gaza. For him and his family, it feels like they're still stuck on October 7th because their family member is away. And this anniversary is still very present in the minds of Israelis because Yom Kippur happened right before the attack and the anniversary is now just a few days away.

[Brian Chung]

Chief foreign correspondent Richard Engel in Jerusalem, thank you so much.

[Richard Engel]

Absolutely.

[Brian Chung]

We're going to take a quick break and when we're back, the Pope has been making waves lately. We'll tell you all about it. But before we break, a quick request as one of our listeners, your feedback, it really matters to us. We'd like to hear what you like, what you don't like and everything in between. So just head to nbcnews.com survey and share your thoughts. Again, that's nbcnews.com survey. Your input will really help us make sure that. Here's the scoop can be even better. Okay, brb.

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[Brian Chung]

Welcome back to here's the scoop from NBC News. Let's rewind now to May, when the American Robert Francis Prevost stepped out onto the balcony in St Peter's Square as Pope Leo XIV, the first ever American pope. And now, after a few months on the job, the pope is weighing in for the first time on some major issues here in the US Making remarks from reporters earlier this week criticizing anti immigration policies and rhetoric around abortion. Someone who says I'm against abortion but.

[Richard Engel]

Says I'm in favor of the death.

[Brian Chung]

Penalty is not really pro life. So someone who says that I'm against abortion, but I'm in agreement with the inhuman treatment of immigrants who are in the United States, I don't know if that's pro life. So they're very complex issues. I don't know if anyone has all the truth on them. But I would ask first and foremost that there be greater respect for one another. Pope Leo xiv, echoing similar sentiments of his predecessor, Pope Francis, who was critical of President Trump's handling of immigration. I want to bring in NBC News correspondent Ann Thompson, who is our Vatican expert.

[Ann Thompson]

Hi, Brian.

[Brian Chung]

Okay, so give us some context around these comments. I understand that this was surrounding Illinois Senator Dick Durbin.

[Ann Thompson]

Cardinal Blaise Cupich, who's the archbishop of Chicago, was going to give an award to Senator Durbin for his work with migrants over his 40 years in Congress. And that sparked the outrage of some more conservative or traditional Catholics, if you will, because of Senator Durbin's support for abortion rights. And why is that? Because the U.S. conference of Catholic Bishops has said for years that abortion is the preeminence issue in this country for Catholics and In particular, needless to say, the bishops do not support abortion rights. And so this is how this question came to Pope Leo. All the way over in Italy, Pope.

[Brian Chung]

Leo also mentioned the inhuman treatment of immigrants. In his words. Tell us why he decided to hit on that in these same remarks.

[Ann Thompson]

What I think you saw from Pope Leo is what you had also heard from Pope Francis, and that is that there is not one issue that a person's work or life should be decided upon. It is a totality of a life. And when you heard Pope Leo say, if you are against abortion but for the death penalty, that isn't pro life. If you are against abortion, but support what he called the inhumane treatment of immigrants in this country, that he does not think is pro life. He also said that these are very difficult issues, and there are a lot of tensions there. But is it any surprise to anybody who's watched him since he was elected pope that he criticized the treatment of migrants in this country or any country that is either rounding them up and throwing them out or not welcoming them? No, because he is, like his predecessor, very concerned. Concerned about the issue of migration and the fact that many people migrate to other countries because in their home country there is famine, so they can't feed their children. There is some kind of political oppression. There is something pushing them out of where they were born to what they see as a better place.

[Brian Chung]

So abortion is a big deal, not just among Catholics, but specifically Catholics in America. So how are these comments being received, and is it a big deal? Even if it's not really a surprise, his stance on some of these positions?

[Ann Thompson]

I think it's a big deal to conservative Catholics that he came out and said this. Pope Leo is in what I call the paper doll phase of his papacy. And so everybody is sort of pinning their hopes on him and pinning their ideas on him without him saying anything. And this is the first time that he has said anything about really any specific issue in the United States since he was elected Pope. And I think that's why you are seeing some pushback and disappoint among conservative Catholics about what he said yesterday.

[Brian Chung]

It was already significant for a pope to be weighing in on American issues. But given that this is, after all, the first American pope, is it always gonna make waves like this going forward?

[Ann Thompson]

I'm still having a hard time getting used to the fact that we have a pope that speaks with a Chicago accent.

[Brian Chung]

I mean, he is a Chicago White Sox fan.

[Ann Thompson]

And the best is when you see him when he's in the popemobile. He goes around St. Peter's Square and somebody starts a White Sox cheer, he joins in. Look, everyone in this country is going to pay much more attention to what Pope Leo says because he is an American. But there was a controversy during Pope Francis papacy over whether President Biden, who is a Catholic, should be offered communion because he supports abortion rights. And there were some bishops who didn't want him to be able to receive communion. They have done the same thing to Nancy Pelosi, who's the former speaker of the House, also a Catholic. And Pope Francis weighed in and said he had never denied anyone communion in his many years as a priest and then as a bishop and a cardinal and ultimately pope. And so I don't know if it's a uniquely American thing, but it's kind of the weaponization of faith and politics, if you will. It keeps coming up and coming up and coming and coming up with no apparent resolution in sight.

[Brian Chung]

So if we zoom out here, during Pope Francis tenure, he didn't really shy away from commenting on issues where there was kind of an intersection between the church and politics. Understanding that Pope Leo has only been on the job for what, like five months. What are we learning about his willingness to take on some of those crossroads going forward?

[Ann Thompson]

Francis was, and I think you're seeing with Leo, they don't want to get involved in local politics. They have a much more broader view. They are leaders of a global church. What I do think and what you have seen with Leo, he is very concerned with social issues, the issue of work and of dignity. And his great concern has been what impact is AI going to have on the ability of people to work? What kinds of society are we creating? Are we creating jobs that give people enough money so they can live and house their families and feed their families? I think those are the issues that you will see him, I think, weigh in on, as opposed to very hyper local issues.

[Brian Chung]

So there's been commentary from the Pope this week on climate change as well. Tell us about whether or not his thoughts on that are in line with his predecessor, Pope Francis.

[Ann Thompson]

And I think that what you're seeing with Leo is a continuation of that focus on the environment. It is because it affects the least among us. That is what has brought their interest. In fact, there's a big conference at the Vatican this week about climate change and trying to get that back into the forefront of the world's attention. In fact, Arnold Schwarzenegger, the former governor of California, is over there saying he wants to terminate climate change.

[Brian Chung]

So obviously a reference to him being the Terminator. Ann Thompson, thanks so much.

[Ann Thompson]

You're welcome.

[Brian Chung]

All right, let's get to some headlines, beginning with a collision between two planes on the ground at LaGuardia Airport in New York. Delta confirmed that two connection flights, both operated by Delta owned Endeavour Air, they were involved in a low speed incident Wednesday night just before 10pm it involved an arriving flight from Charlotte and a departing flight to Roanoke. The wing on the Roanoke bound jet clipped the nose and cockpit of the plane coming in from Charlotte and it damaged both planes. A flight attendant suffered a minor injury and was taken to a local hospital, but no passengers were hurt. Delta said airport operations were not disrupted and the FAA is investigating the situation. On Wednesday, President Trump's administration sent a 10 point memo to nine U.S. colleges asking them to agree to several policy changes in exchange for so called priority treatment. Among the recipients of these letters were Ivy League schools like UPENN and Dartmouth, but also huge state schools like the University of Texas and the University of Virginia. The demands barring the use of race or gender in hiring or admissions, freezing tuition for five years, requiring standardized testing, curbing grade inflation and capping international enrollment at 15% with no more than 5% from any one country. Rights advocates say the plan forces universities to bend to a political agenda, undermining academic freedom in the process. A White House official told NBC News that schools signing the contract would, quote, be given priority for grants when possible, as well as invitations for White House events and discussions with officials. Let's go to sports now, as October means one thing. That's baseball. Postseason, baby. The drama is in full swing. Well, not in la, where the Dodgers made quick work of the Reds. They swept their way into the Division Series as the first team to advance. But everywhere else, it is chaos. The Guardians, Padres and Yankees, all clawed back with gutsy Game two wins, setting up a Thursday packed with do or die game threes. Now it's win or go home, and fans are bracing for the next step on the road to the World Series. Well, except for the Mets, who again, didn't make it. Go Yankees and 90s babies. Listen up because this is important. Yep, it's them. NSync. They're said to be plotting a 30th anniversary arena tour with Lance, Joey, JC and Chris ready to dust off the choreography. But the lone holdout you might have noticed, supposedly Justin Timberlake, whose absence might totally ruin the tour. Or maybe not. TMZ is reporting that promoters believe the nostalgia alone could still fill arenas Even without JT. Although what's in sync if only 4/5 of it. Fans are holding out hope that he'll change his tune and say, well, that's going to do it for us at here's the Scoop from NBC News. We'll be back tomorrow. I'm Brian Chung, and if you like what you heard, like us back, subscribe to here's the Scoop wherever you get your podcast. Oh, and before you go, don't forget to take our quick [e-mail] survey. Your feedback means so much to us. Anyway, that's it and ain't no lie. Sometimes an identity threat is a ring of professional hackers, and sometimes it's an overworked accountant who forgot to encrypt their connection while sending bank details.

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