Meta’s Mark Zuckerberg on Trial; The FCC vs. Late Night

Summary

Podcast Summary: Here's the Scoop – Meta’s Mark Zuckerberg on Trial; The FCC vs. Late Night

Host: Yasmin Vossoughian
Date: February 18, 2026

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Episode Overview

This episode dives into two headline stories:

1. Meta CEO Mark Zuckerberg’s testimony in a landmark trial regarding social media addiction and minors' mental health.
2. The FCC’s push for stricter equal time regulation on late night political interviews, causing controversy with Stephen Colbert and CBS.

Additional coverage includes a tragic avalanche near Lake Tahoe, key legislative moves in the Senate and Illinois, and a lively Olympic update.

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1. Mark Zuckerberg's Testimony: Social Media on Trial

Guest: Laura Jarrett, NBC News Senior Legal Correspondent
Time Segment: 00:03 – 08:08

Background and Stakes

• Main Story:
  Mark Zuckerberg testified in a high-profile Los Angeles court case, addressing allegations that Meta (and Google) intentionally designed social media products to be addictive for children.
• Plaintiff:
  “KGM,” a 20-year-old woman, claims her childhood and teenage social media use exacerbated depression and suicidal thoughts.
• Defendants’ Stance:
  Meta and Google counter that their platforms are not addictive—unlike cigarettes—and assert they’ve put safety and parental controls in place.

Key Discussion Points

• Atmosphere at the Courthouse:
  “The way he entered the courthouse… speaks volumes about what he’s facing in this trial and what’s at stake… a group of parents who have either lost their children to suicide or… self-harm were standing linked, hand in hand, waiting to face him.”
  — Laura Jarrett, 01:32

• Legal Distinctions and Burden of Proof:

  • Plaintiffs must show Instagram substantially contributed to the plaintiff’s depression.
  • Defense argues other factors (e.g., family struggles) contributed, making the legal causality difficult.
  • “To get legal liability, they have to prove that Instagram was a substantial factor… That’s a hard argument.”
    — Laura Jarrett, 03:35

• Meta’s Defense Approach:
  “We understand the concern… but these things are not addictive. This is not like cigarettes.”
  — Jarrett paraphrasing defense, 02:39

• Humanizing Zuckerberg:
  Plaintiff’s lawyers confront Zuckerberg with memos about making himself more likable in court—a nod to how much jury perception may matter here.
  “He says, ‘Yeah, I know this is not my strong suit,’… knowing the jury is paying attention to his, like, every eyebrow movement.”
  — Laura Jarrett, 04:26

• Significance of Not Settling:
  Snap and TikTok previously settled similar cases. Meta is gambling on a legal victory because of the high burden of proof, but with over 1,500 similar cases pending, the stakes are massive:
  “If they settle this… we are going to be paying out billions of dollars. Now they may be paying out billions of dollars if they lose this trial too.”
  — Laura Jarrett, 06:06

• Potential Precedents and Tech Liability:
  If the plaintiffs win, it could upend longstanding protections shielding tech companies from civil liability for user experiences, not just bad actors:
  “If this case finds that there is liability from a civil standpoint, I think that… [would] blow a huge hole through federal law.”
  — Laura Jarrett, 08:04

Memorable Quote

“Our generation’s problem, right—for many people—is social media.”
— Yasmin Vossoughian, 05:30

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2. FCC, Late Night, and Equal Time: Colbert vs. CBS

Guest: Ali Canal, NBC News Business Reporter
Time Segment: 09:45 – 17:34

The Controversy Unpacked

• Immediate Cause:
  CBS refused to air Stephen Colbert’s interview with Texas Senate candidate Rep. James Talarico, citing the FCC’s equal time rule after a warning from Chairman Brendan Carr.
• Colbert's Response:
  He publicly criticized CBS’ decision, saying it yielded to FCC pressure. The interview was instead published on YouTube, where it garnered over 5 million views and boosted Talarico’s campaign coffers.
• FCC Chairman Carr's Position:
  He denies censorship, reiterating networks had options. His press conference used partisan language, casting doubt on the neutrality of his enforcement.

Explaining Equal Time

• Rule History:
  Requires broadcast TV/radio networks to grant equal air time to all legally qualified candidates if one is given airtime.
  “The key word here is ‘broadcast’. This does not apply to cables, this does not apply to digital, it does not apply to streaming platforms.”
  — Ali Canal, 12:27

• Changing the Exemption:
  Previously, late night talk shows were treated as “bona fide news” and exempt. New FCC guidance says they must now petition for this status.
  “If they want to be considered bona fide news, they need to petition themselves to be that. So that is the big change here.”
  — Ali Canal, 13:29

• Political Overtones:
  “He said the fake news media, he said it’s a hoax… echoing words and phrases that we’ve heard from President Trump.”
  — Ali Canal, 14:33 Carr claimed applying the rule “could hear more from Democrats… and that is not partisan.”

• Spotlight on Talarico:
  “The primaries are where equal time is incredibly important… The FCC actually opened up a probe into [his appearance on] The View, basically implying that The View didn’t abide by the equal time code.”
  — Ali Canal, 15:29

Paramount, Politics & Business

• Network Maneuvering:
  CBS and its parent, Paramount, are heavily entwined in politics—from a $16M settlement over a Trump lawsuit to mergers requiring administration approval. Current corporate structures are influenced by Trump donor Larry Ellison and his son David Ellison’s Skydance.
• Industry Implications:
  With high-stakes mergers and competitive streaming markets, the regulatory environment has never been tighter.

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3. Headlines and Quick Updates

Time Segment: 19:26 – 21:45

Avalanche Near Lake Tahoe

• Eight skiers dead, one missing after a major avalanche. Rescue crews saved six others thanks to avalanche beacons and cell phone SOS signals.
• A powerful snowstorm is compounding rescue operations and causing accidents.

Election Reform Legislation

• Senate Action:
  Senate Republicans are set to vote for President Trump’s “Save America Act” (requiring photo ID and proof of citizenship to vote). Democrats likely to filibuster.
  Sen. Chuck Schumer: “Jim Crow 2.0… it would strip millions of Americans of their ability to vote.”
  — 20:07

Illinois’ Pause on Data Centers

• Governor J.B. Pritzker pauses tax incentives for new AI data centers over power grid and community concerns, pending legislative approval.

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4. Olympic Minute – Joy and Victory

Reporter: Molly Hunter, NBC International Correspondent
Time Segment: 21:45 – 22:35

Headlines

• Love on Ice:
  “Speed skater Brittany Bow may not be leaving with a medal, but she is heading home with a ring. Longtime girlfriend and Team USA hockey star Hillary Knight got down on one knee proposing before hitting the ice for the women’s gold medal game.”
  — Yasmin Vossoughian, 21:36

• Team USA Medals:

  • Jake Cantor: Bronze in Slope Style (Olympic debut).
  • Ben Ogden and Gus Schumacher: Silver, Men’s Team Sprint (Cross Country Skiing).
  • Mikaela Shiffrin: Gold in Women's Alpine, her first Olympic gold in 8 years, by the largest margin since 1998.

• Upcoming:
  Mikaela Shiffrin will appear on the following day’s podcast.

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Select Memorable Quotes & Timestamps

• On Zuckerberg:
  “He’s got, like, internal memos about, like, you know, just be natural, don’t be robotic, like, knowing the jury is paying attention to his, like, every eyebrow movement.”
  — Laura Jarrett, 04:26

• On FCC’s Enforcement:
  “If they want to be considered bona fide news, they need to petition themselves to be that. So that is the big change here.”
  — Ali Canal, 13:29

• On Regulatory Pressure:
  “Paramount Skydance is really at the center of this regulatory environment… David Ellison met with President Trump and we know his father, Larry Ellison, is a friend… they want to kind of play this regulatory dance, be within that good favor.”
  — Ali Canal, 16:54

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Episode Structure & Flow

• The episode moves swiftly between in-depth legal analysis (Meta/Zuckerberg), live political/regulatory debate (FCC/Late Night), and rapid-fire news headlines—delivering both context and color in a conversational yet urgent tone.
• Crucially, it highlights the broader cultural and legal stakes of tech and media regulation in 2026, mixing sharp reporting with moments of lightness (like the Olympic love story).

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For Listeners Who Missed the Episode

This episode offers an engaging and accessible primer on two major legal and political showdowns—framed with expert context, lively dialogue, and pointed quotes—plus a sweep of national and sports headlines for a well-rounded daily news roundup.

Transcript

[A]

Hey, everybody. And welcome to here's the scoop from NBC News. I'm Yasmin Vasugian. And today on the show, we're talking about Stephen Colbert's battle with CBS and the fcc. Plus the latest on an avalanche near Lake Tahoe. And in our Olympic minute, who's going home with gold and who got a diamond ring. Up first, though, we have our top story. Meta CEO Mark Zuckerberg took to the stand in a Los Angeles courtroom today, testifying in this landmark trial over whether Meta and other social media platforms intentionally designed their products to be addictive for children. The plaintiff is a 20 year old woman identified in court as KGM, claiming that using social media as a child and teenager exacerbated her depression and suicidal thoughts. The defendants, Meta and Google, dispute those claims and they point to a number of safety measures that they have integrated on their platforms to protect young users. It is a high stakes trial, to say the least. The outcome could have implications for thousands of similar cases. So for that, I want to bring in NBC News senior legal correspondent Laura Jarrett. Hi, Laura.

[B]

I'm so excited to talk to you about this. There is so much happening in this.

[A]

Trial for those that have not been following this as closely as both you and I have. Lay out for us the argument on both sides here and also how it came to be that Meta CEO Mark Zuckerberg took to the stand.

[B]

The way he entered the courthouse in Los Angeles today, I think speaks volumes about what he's facing in this trial and what's at stake as he's going into court. He's surrounded by a crush of cameras and a group of parents who have either lost their children, children to suicide or the children engaged in some serious amount of self harm were standing linked, hand in hand, waiting to face him. And this is not a scene that he's entirely unfamiliar with. When he testified in front of Congress two years ago, the same group of parents were there with pictures of their children to face him. But today is the first time he's had to take the stand in a court of law to answer about his design choices.

[A]

Not a congressional testimony.

[B]

Not congressional testimony. He's testified in court before about antitrust. But this is about the core, this is the heartland of what he has been accused of doing for years by critics who have said, you knowingly designed these platforms to be addictive for children's brains, who cannot handle them.

[A]

And what is the defense saying?

[B]

The defense is saying, we understand that some kids might be more susceptible to habits that that might be problematic. But these things are not addictive. This is not like cigarettes. And we've put a whole bunch of safeguards in place so that parents can be more aware of the harms, so that you can get nudges when you've been on too long or it's time to log off at night. So their basic defense is, we are not the cause of what Kaylee suffered here, and we certainly shouldn't be to blame for all of the many, many others that are coming behind her.

[A]

Building on that, the head of Instagram, obviously owned by Meta, Adam Mosseri, was on the stand last week, right? And he said, listen, kids can have unhealthy habits, for instance, on Instagram, but there is a difference between having an unhealthy habit, right, or using this in an unhealthy way, and clinical addiction.

[B]

And it's a. It's a maybe. Probably the biggest sort of hurdle, obstacle challenge that the plaintiffs have here is by trying to make that link. Because to get legal liability, they have to prove that Instagram was a substantial factor in this particular plaintiff's mental health struggles. And so that means, like, if she was depressed for any other reason, like, the family struggles that the defense has tried to point to, like, that's gonna be a real problem for her to try to make that tight causal link between using Instagram, basically. But for Instagram, I wouldn't have been depressed. That's a hard argument.

[A]

So the defense is going after the plaintiff's story personally as well. Amidst all of this, how is Zuckerberg's testimony? How is that building on what Adam Mosseri has already put out there in this kind of difference between an unhealthy habit and a clinical addiction?

[B]

These guys are going into court knowing they're unliked, they're rich, they're unpopular, and parents are angry. That is a dangerous recipe for them. And so they know they have to try to get on that stand and convince a jury. We understand the concern. Like, they have to try to be empathetic. And already, you see dehumanizing him. They're trying to. And you already see the plaintiff's attorney, like, confronting Zuckerberg with all these internal memos about how he should try to make himself more likable. And he says, yeah, I know this is not my strong suit, but he's got, like, internal memos about, like, you know, just be natural, don't be robotic, like, knowing the jury is paying attention to his, like, every eyebrow movement. And maybe his testimony doesn't make or break the case, but in A case where you, you sort of do need the jurors to think that there are humans behind these. They needed someone to try to try to humanize what has been cast as like a social ill of our time. Our generation's problem, right, for many people is social media.

[A]

I gotta think that they feel as if they can win this because they didn't settle. Right. Snap and TikTok both settled.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Ahead of the trial.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

But Meta said, no, we're going all the way. Why is that?

[B]

A couple things could be happening. One could be that they think they can win this for the reasons I stated that, like, the plaintiff has such a high burden to convince them, this jury, that that Instagram was some substantial factor in her depression. So maybe they think legally, if the jury actually pays attention to the jury instructions, they can win this. They also know they have more than 1500 people just like this plaintiff waiting in the wings.

[A]

Right.

[B]

And so if they settle this and saying they may, they may think like, we have to do this or we are going to be paying out billions of dollars. Now they may be paying out billions of dollars if they lose this trial too. Right. But I think they, I think they had to take the gamble that they can legal argument to avoid all this liability.

[A]

So then let's talk about that, the implications of the decision of this case. Right. And what that could mean for, as you mentioned, all of these other cases. I just interviewed the AG of New Mexico who has mounted a case against Meta as well, about sexual exploitation of children. Right. How could this reverberate on those other cases? Whichever way this is decided, I think.

[B]

Every plaintiff's attorney in the country is watching this because of how pervasive social media is in our lives. The idea that these platforms, which everyone is so consumed by, could be on the hook not just for allowing, like, a sexual predator to be on the app, but for their design choices. Right. In New Mexico, it's the idea that they're not doing enough to guard against people who are preying on teens. And you can, you can understand the interests of the state there, but the idea that you could be on the hook with, from a civil liability context, just for your design choices could apply to every social media and tech company that you can possibly think of. And these are the same companies that have enjoyed being shielded from virtually any liability for as long as the Internet has been around. Right. Congress said we are not going to find these companies liable for the content that happens on these apps. Just the way you wouldn't find at and T or Verizon liable if someone makes a bomb threat on on a phone line. Right. That has been the general rule basically our entire life of the Internet. If this case finds that there is liability from a civil standpoint, I think that that blow a huge hole through federal law in that shield way that I just talked about as we know it.

[A]

Laura Jarrett thank you.

[B]

Love talking to you about this.

[A]

By the way, we should note that TikTok and Snap denied wrongdoing in their settlement of the California case. We should also know that in the New Mexico case, Meta denies the civil charges and accuses the Attorney General of cherry picking documents and making quote, sensationalist arguments. It also says it's introduced built in protections for young people on their platforms along with settings and tools for parents. Okay, coming up, what are Stephen Colbert, CBS and the FCC fighting about? That's next.

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And we are back with here's the scoop from NBC News. FCC Chairman Brendan Carr is now weighing in on the CBS clash with late night host Stephen Colbert. On Monday, Colbert said CBS lawyers urged him not to air an interview with Texas Senate candidate Representative James Talarico over concerns about the FCC's equal time rule. The move by CBS was triggered by statements from Chairman Carr, who said recently that the agency plans to enforce equal time regulation even for day and late night talk shows. So television newscasts and news interviews known as bona fide news, they were exempt from from giving equal time to political candidates. You have to report whatever the news is regardless of the party. There was though a precedent that late night shows also fell under the Bona fide news exemption. But the SEC is now saying no more. For more on this, I want to bring in NBC News business reporter Ali Canal. Hey Ali.

[D]

Hey, how are you?

[A]

I'm good. Let's talk first about what is happening here. Right. The back and forth really between both Stephen Colbert and cbs. How did we get here?

[D]

Yeah, I mean this all started cuz Stephen Colbert, he taped an interview with Texas Representative James Talarico. He's running for Senate in that primary. CBS ultimately chose not to air this interview on broadcast. Now Colbert came out, he talked about this in front of his audience. This aired on primetime and said that the decision stemmed from pressure on the part of CBS from the FCC to abide by their equal time rule. And this is something that we've been kind of hearing a lot more about. This provision that's really been at the FCC for a long time. And CBS says it didn't prohibit the segment, it just gave other types of options. Colbert kind of came back and said he didn't agree with that. Of course you have to keep in mind that his show is ending in May. But then we heard from FCC chairman Brendan Carr today. He gave a press conference. He said that there was no censorship. He sort of reiterated the fact that the network had other options. So it really started as this late night TV moment and now has led to further questions about the regulatory environment within media and really free speech as a whole.

[A]

By the way, Colbert did in fact air the interview on YouTube.

[D]

Yep.

[A]

And it got a lot of views.

[D]

Millions and millions of views. Well over 5 million views at this point. And now of course a big part of that is this general interest in this incident. But so many views on YouTube. And then Talarico's campaign actually garnered $2.5 million within 24 hours after this was aired. So this is creating a lot of buzz.

[A]

Ali talk about the FCC's equal time rule, what it means and who it applies to.

[D]

Yeah, so this is a long standing FCC regulation rule and it basically says that if one legally qualified candidate is going to go on a broadcast television network or on a radio show of some kind, their opposing candidate is obligated to receive that equal air time. Now the key word here is broadcast. This does not apply to cables, this does not apply to digital, it does not apply to stream platforms. This is part of the reason why the Telorico interview ended up on YouTube because again, no issues there when it came to this equal time rule. However, the FCC did publish updated guidance in January that said these late night talk shows These daytime shows that they have never been not exempt from this rule. So there's something called bonafide news. And way back when it was sort of a precedent that was established that these talk shows were considered bonafide news, that they could be exempt from these types of regulations.

[A]

However, they're in the news realm, but not formally so.

[D]

Exactly. And that was the argument there from some of those late night shows. But then the FCC in this January guidance said, well, no, no, no, that's never been the case. And if they want to be considered bona fide news, they need to petition themselves to be that. So that is the big change here. And that's there's going to be a little bit of a digestion period for these shows to really understand, understand the implications of these equal time rules.

[A]

He also at one point said, well, I get it that Colbert is probably upset because he's leaving late night television. He thinks he's had a long storied career.

[D]

Yes, his show is ending, I get it. But like that doesn't change the rules of the game here is what he said. So a little not so subtle dig at Colbert.

[A]

Was Carr kind of alluding to the fact that he feels as if now that these talk shows have dipped their toes into the political conversational realm that they are no longer exempt to this role of equal time, whereas maybe 20, 30 years ago they were talking less about politics and more focusing on just the entertainment of it all.

[D]

That's exactly what it is. And during his press conference he said the fake news media, he said it's a hoax.

[A]

Wow.

[D]

He really echoed words and phrases that we've heard from President Trump. He said, well, if the equal time rules were applied, then CBS would have to intervene, interview the other Democratic candidates and that would have more exposure to those Democrats and they could say whatever they wanted to. So he was trying to say that you could, if you took these rules at their core, that you could hear from more Democrats. And that in and of itself is not partisan. But you're right. When you hear the President talk about the fake news media, he goes after these late night shows, these talk, daytime talk shows all the time. It does lean itself and wade into that question mark about whether or not this is an, is an infringement on free speech.

[A]

And why has Talarico become a hot button person for some of these shows?

[D]

Yeah, well, like you said, he's running in that Texas Democratic Senate primary. The primaries are where equal time is incredibly important. Like you said, the midterms coming up as well. There's also the fact that Telo appeared on ABC's the View not that long ago. And the FCC actually opened up a probe into that interview, basically implying that the View didn't abide by the equal time code. This is sort of enforcing an existing rule and one that sort of he doubled down on in January when he made that distinction that these shows were not automatically in the clear.

[A]

So, Ali, Paramount Global, the parent company cbs, they've had this interesting relationship with the Trump administration. Last July, CBS agreed to pay a $16 million settlement to get out of a lawsuit brought by President Trump over a 60 Minutes interview with Kamala Harris. CBS announced last year that Stephen Colbert's show would come to an end in 2026. At the same time, Paramount was in the middle of seeking the Trump administration's approval for this $8 billion merger with Hollywood studio Skydance as part of that deal. Then David Ellison, the son of Trump supporter Larry Ellison, took over at Paramount Skydance. And now Paramount Skydance is trying to buy Warner Brothers Discovery and would need the FTC to sign off on that as well.

[D]

Yeah, and it's crazy hearing you tick through all of those things because Paramount Skydance is really at the center of this regulatory environment. And we just heard that David Ellison met with President Trump and we know his father, Larry Ellison, is a friend of President Trump's. So they want to kind of play this regulatory dance, be within that good favor. And at the same time, we're also at this moment within media where it's really hard to turn a profit. Very competitive. The streaming world is changing right before our very eyes. And so is the news world as well. There's just a ton of consolidation here.

[A]

Ali Canal. Thank you.

[D]

Thank you so much.

[A]

We are going to take a very quick break. And when we are back, love is in the air in Italy. I mean, when is it not? But we're going to tell you about all the Olympians, plural, who just got engaged. Stay with us for the headlines.

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And we are back with here's the scoop from NBC News. Let's get to some headlines. In California, eight skiers were killed and one is still missing and presumed dead after a massive avalanche that hit a rugged backcountry spot about 25 miles northwest of Lake Tahoe on Tuesday. Officials are saying avalanche beacons and SOS signals from cell phones helped guide crews to another six survivors. A powerful snowstorm continues to pound the region, shutting down highways and triggering multiple crashes. Fifty Republican senators say they're prepared to vote for President Trump's election overhaul bill, the Save America act, but Democrats could still block it. This would require Americans to provide proof of citizenship, to register to vote and show a photo ID at the polls. The bill already cleared the House, and Senate Majority Leader John Thune has promised a vote in the Senate, but he doesn't have the 60 votes needed under current rules to break a Democratic filibuster. Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer denounced the bill as Jim Crow 2.0, saying that it would strip millions of Americans of their ability to vote. Illinois Governor J.B. pritzker says he's hitting pause on the state's AI data center boom. In his State of the State and Budget address, Pritzker announced a two year suspension of tax incentives for new data center projects, citing growing scrutiny over the industry's rapid expansion and its impact on power grids and local communities. While a number of states are rushing to create incentives for companies to build data centers, other governors, like Pennsylvania's Josh Shapiro and Florida's Ron DeSantis are also moving towards more oversight. Pritzker's proposal still needs legislative approval. Okay finally, it is time for our Olympic minute. Speed skater Brittany Bow may not be leaving with a medal, but she is heading home with a ring. Longtime girlfriend and Team USA hockey star Hillary Knight got down on one knee proposing before hitting the ice for the women's gold medal game in the mountains. It was a huge day overall for Team usa. Here is NBC News international correspondent Molly Hunter.

[F]

Hey, Yasmin. From Cortina, we are back on the Tafana Racecourse. I'm going to tell you what happened here in just a moment, but I'm going to run through two other awesome events for American medalist Jake Cantor. In his Olympic debut, he won bronze in slope style jumping for joy. And then in men's cross country skiing in the team sprint, Ben Ogden, Gus Schumacher. The pair of Americans won silver. Such exciting news from over there. And here in Cortina, the news of the day. Michaela Shiffrin won gold. This was her third and final race, her final chance to win gold. And she has done it after, after 12 years. Of course, she has not been on an Olympic podium for eight years. And Yasmin, she won by such a huge margin, more than a second and a half. That is the biggest margin that any Alpine women's skier has won a race since 1998. What a day. What a moment for Mikayla.

[A]

Thank you, Molly. And by the way, I'm incredibly excited. We're going to be talking to Mikaela Shiffrin tomorrow on the podcast. Okay, that is gonna do it for us at here's the scoop from NBC News. I'm Yasmin Vesugin. We'll be back tomorrow with whatever the day may bring. And if you like what you heard, subscribe wherever you get your podcasts. And you can also subscribe to our daily newsletter, the Inside Scoop. It is a deeper dive on the main stories of the day that comes out every weeknight straight to your inbox. You can sign up for the Inside Scoop as part of our paid subscription [e-mail] we'll see you tomorrow.

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