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“Peace in the Middle East.” But Is It Real?; Trump Sends National Guard to Portland
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Hey, everybody, and welcome to here's the scoop from NBC News. I'm Yasmin Vesugin. Coming up on the show, a fight over deploying the National Guard to Portland, Oregon. Congress is inching towards a shutdown, and it looks like Bad Bunny is playing a show in mainland USA after all. We're going to tell you all about that. Up first, though, we are headed to the White House, where President Trump and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu met today to discuss an end to the war in Gaza, where in a press conference, President Trump declared he is closer than ever to brokering peace in the Middle East.
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Gaza is one thing, but we're talking about much beyond Gaza. The whole deal, everything getting solved. It's called peace in the Middle East.
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After meeting with Netanyahu, Trump unveiled a Gaza peace plan that he says could bring the war to an end. But he also delivered a stark warning. If Hamas doesn't sign on, Israel will have Washington's, quote, full backing to continue its military campaign. He said, quote, I think we are very close. Before speaking directly to Netanyahu, maybe you'd.
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Have more full backing to do what you would have to do. Everyone understands that the ultimate result must be the elimination of any danger posed in the region. And that danger is caused by Hamas.
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The US plan lays out 20 steps to end the war, starting with an immediate ceasefire. It calls on Hamas to release all hostages within 72 hours in return for a phased pullback of Israeli troops with the ultimate goal of a lasting, permanent truce. Our senior White House Correspondent Gabe Gutierrez was covering the meeting.
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The President really touting this as a huge diplomatic breakthrough, calling it one of the great days ever in civilization. Obviously he's never been a stranger to hyperbole. However, there are just still so many unanswered questions here. And what was so interesting is that reporters in the room being told this was a press conference were expecting both.
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Leaders to take questions.
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They did not. And so the biggest question of all this is still hanging out there. Will Hamas accept this deal?
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Thank you, Gabe. Want to turn now to Aaron David Miller. He's a Middle east analyst, author and negotiator and he's a senior fellow at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace. Hi Aaron. Quite a day, to say the least.
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It was. I've attended and participated and watched over the years from Jimmy Carter to Bruce 43, all kinds of announcements. This was rather remarkable, frankly. The Prime Minister actually gave, I think was extremely adept and smart in trying to reconcile what he has now agreed to and make it congruent with enough of what Bezalel Smutrich and Ijamar Ben GVIR have been complaining about. The real problem here is I think, and we haven't seen the President referred to, quote unquote, documents to be signed. I'm reminded of the Hollywood mogul Samuel Golden Mayer's quip that an oral agreement isn't worth the paper it's written on. The reality is a document, an actual piece of paper would actually be frankly moving this in the right direction. That said, every one of these points contains a universe of negotiating detail. Even if Hamas says in principle, yes, its head exploding, the amount of work that is going to be required in sequencing, in language, in commitments between two parties pledged to one another's mutual destruction and with a mediator. Donald Trump is now the Chairman of the board. This goes so far beyond the Apprentice and any other thing he's ever done is going to require extraordinary muscle and focus from Washington to lead Israelis and Palestinians and relieve the suffering of the hostages, their families and the 2 million long suffering civilians of Gaza, half of whom are children, out of the wilderness into something better.
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You know, this started as a 21 point plan, now it's a 20 point plan. And I want to go through some of these points as you speak of. The difficulty it will be to cement these points and whoever these final signatories are, I think is also in question. Who's actually going to be signing these quote unquote documents. But it begins with the Gaza will be a de radicalized terror free zone that does not pose a threat to its neighbors. It goes on to say at one point Gaza will release all hostages, and then at one point saying Israel will not, quote, unquote, occupy Gaza. However, they do not include the west bank in this 20 point plan as well. And you bring up, rightfully so, the right wing that Benjamin Netanyahu is dealing with right now, the Ben Gavir and the Smortriches of the world, who were proponents of annexing the west bank in response to the recognition of the Palestinian state by the European allies to the United States, specifically France, who is to say that he doesn't now go back to Israel and they say to him, not only should you have not apologized, not only should you not have apologized to Qatar, but in response, we're going to annex the West Bank. And oh, by the way, what does that do to this now 20 point plan that has been put out?
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Yeah, I mean, I think in order to keep Smochuj and Mengvir on the reservation and remember, until October 19th when the Knesset comes back into session, Netanyahu is free from any efforts to dissolve the government if he could manage to keep them on the reservation within the coalition. It's still a big if to me. Smotrich has six points of his own that he wants included, to want payment from Netanyahu. Annexation, I believe, is off the table for now. Trump made it unmistakably clear. Even Netanyahu knows. And remember, Yasmin, he needs Donald Trump to secure what his. What is his major objective? It's not freeing the hostages, it's not Gaza. It's getting reelected. And that campaign and this plan are somehow going to be intertwined. He cannot afford to break with Trump. I don't know how he's going to reconcile Smoanchu Chemingevir, but he has managed. You heard the Prime Minister. And unlike the President, I think the Prime Minister's remarks were actually quite focused, quite strategic and quite tailored. He talked about overall Israeli responsibility, he talked about releasing the hostages. And the next step will be the board, the international board is going to seek to decommission, demilitarize and de radicalize Hamas so that it is no longer a military, military or political force. If the war doesn't accomplish this, guess what? The plan cannot be implemented. And the Israelis will remain in Gaza, which is what Smotrich and Ben GVIR want.
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How do you deradicalize an ideology?
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Right? Given the fact that half the population of Gaza, what is under the age of 15, given the sense of trauma, rage, hatred that must be instilled as a consequence of children seeing their mothers, fathers, and whole families destroyed and killed. The process of radicalization in Gaza is going to be a generational proposition. The only way to begin to deal with it is to create an alternative which actually offers to the Palestinian civilians in Gaza something they've never had, which is real security and real prosperity and an end to the Israeli occupation. And that's not what Benjamin Netanyahu has in mind when he talks about de radicalization. So, again, assuming Hamas says yes in principle, and assuming Benjamin Netanyahu is a functional government that will actually accept this, he's going to have to get. He'll have to pass this through the security cabinet and the full cabinet. So, again, we're a long way from what you and I, as normal humans, would regard as ending the war in Gaza.
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You know, one of the reasons why the initial ceasefire deal was built the way that it was back in early winter, was for Hamas's perspective. It seemed they held on to the hostages and it was a phase deal, so that they had, in some ways, the upper hand. Right. They held on to these hostages so that they could say, so long as you don't continue to fire on us, we will continue to hand over these hostages. But the second another rocket lands in Gaza, we will not hand over those hostages. Right. What incentive would Hamas have now to hand over these hostages, knowing the zero amount of trust that is between these parties?
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No, Hamas will let the hostages go if the Israelis agree to two demands. Number one, to formally end the war and have that cessation of hostilities validated and overseen by a third party, namely the United States. And number two, the Israelis withdrawal Israeli forces from Gaza. And neither of those two things, frankly, is Netanyahu going to agree. And if, in fact, Hamas does lose its leverage by giving up hostages, which they won't, then it seems to me the Israelis have won, because then it's a process. And by the way, Trump shares this objective of ending Hamas's military and political role in Gaza. He may be annoyed, angered by the Israeli tactics, but he shares that goal. So that's going to give Netanyahu a greater margin, it seems to me, to maneuver again. The hardest thing after the implementation and agreement of any peace plan, having done this for almost 30 years with Republicans and Democrats, is what happens the day after. Yeah, big, big announcement. President talks about eternity, talks about peace in the Middle east for eternity. We're going to fix a problem that's been ongoing for 2000. Again, the sun's coming up tomorrow. The real question then is what is the next step and who oversees it and who creates a measure of confidence that this roadmap, because that's what it is. It's not a one off deal. It's a roadmap that is highly sequenced, filled with details and commitments that both sides have to accept and fulfill. I don't see this.
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Aaron. David Miller, thank you. When we're back, where the National Guard might be heading next. P.S. we love making this podcast for you and we would love it even more if you told us how we're doing. Head to nbcnews.com survey and let us know. Again, that is nbcnews.com survey. Do not leave us hanging. We'll be right back. Oh, hey, love your shoes. If you're hearing this, this is your.
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I'd prefer not to have troops in our cities or I'd prefer them only to come, you know, with the acceptance of the local authorities. But I do think there is a role if the states will not step up.
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This fight over Oregon's National Guard deployment comes as hundreds of senior military leaders descend on Quantico, Virginia for a rare meeting called by the Secretary of Defense. Want to bring in now senior national security correspondent Courtney Kuby to talk about all of this. Why is the President looking to deploy the National Guard troops to Portland?
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Now the President claims that it's because crime is out of control and the military needs to come in as well as other federal law enforcement officials to, to get things back under control. Now that's disputed by the local leaders and the statewide leaders. It remains to be seen exactly what the issue that is that they want to go after in Portland. But what's really key here are two things. Number one, the orders that these members of the National Guard are under is to protect federal facilities and federal personnel. So that is consistent with what we've seen for them, their mission in D.C. their mission in Los Angeles. It doesn't really explain the President's social media posting over the weekend where he said he was authorizing the full force of the military. It's not really clear. What will potentially make that clear though are the rules of engagement. If we see a different set of rules of engagement for Portland than we saw in Los Angeles, than we saw in D.C. that could show that this deployment of the National Guard could be an escalation over what we have has become somewhat commonplace over the last several months here in the US let's talk.
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About the rules of engagement that we've seen so far because correct me if I'm wrong, but what we saw in Los Angeles was actually slightly different than what we saw in Washington and what they were carrying out on the ground.
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Los Angeles had more of a. Remember they were initially sent in to help protect against the anti immigration policy protests, but they had the same ultimate rules of engagement or goals. What they were allowed to do that was protecting federal personnel and, and property. Now that was expanded out by some of the federal law enforcement there to as part of protecting those federal law enforcement officials, they could even go with them on raids and essentially stage sort of a perimeter while there was a raid in an area carried out by ICE or other federal officials. We have not seen that happen in dc. In fact, the DC mission has been very different in that we've seen National Guard here cleaning monuments as recently as, as over the weekend. So it's more of a beautification. But ultimately they have the same mission that is protecting federal law enforcement, protecting federal personnel and facilities. So the question is, will that change, will that expand in any way in Portland? One thing that has also been consistent from D.C. and now to Portland is how these National Guard, what kind of orders they're under. They're on Title 32. Basically that means they're still under the authority of the Governor of Oregon, but they're being paid by the federal government. And what's really key, what we learned from that, that court filing that you mentioned, is if in fact they are not deployed immediately, as determined by the Secretary of Defense in his, his authorization, he could change that title to Title 10. That would mean they are federally funded and also under the authority of federal government.
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How can they remain under the authority of the Governor when the Governor doesn't even want them there?
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That's the big question. Now that also impacts what they are and are not allowed to do. Remember, National Guard have more authority to do things that are more of like a law enforcement mission. Right. If you're on federal active duty, you cannot carry out any kind of law enforcement. So no arrests, even certain things like crowd control measures can, can be illegal under Title 32. They actually have a little bit more authority under the Governor to carry out things that are more in line with law enforcement missions. Now we didn't really see that in la and frankly we haven't really seen much of that here in D.C. either.
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So the President has said this is also to protect and secure ICE facilities. We saw this shooting last week at an ICE facility in Dallas at gunman as many remember opening fire on the agency's field office there, wounding two detainees and killing one. What do we know about the ongoing threats to immigration facilities inside Oregon?
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As far as we know, there's no outstanding or excessive threat to them there. But this Portland one does seem to be happening. Officials telling us that they've already sent orders to the up to 200 National Guard. It's 60 day orders. So it still remains to be seen exactly what the Governor is going to have them doing.
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I want to talk, too, about this meeting with Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth. He's gathering hundreds of senior military leaders from around the world in Virginia, President actually telling NBC News in a phone call yesterday that he's going to attend. And last week he characterized the meeting using the word, quote, friendly. What do we know about this meeting?
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So one thing we know is that the, the topic and the agenda has changed over and over and over since we first learned of this last week. They continue to change exactly what is expected to happen there. The most recent case of that is the president now announcing that he's going to go. Initially, it was supposed to be the chairman of the Joint Chiefs and then the secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth, addressing these hundreds, up to 800, 900 men and women, flag officer and general officers from all over the world. We have been told everything from it could be sort of a pep rally where they talk about all the accomplishments that they've had so far under President Trump and they talk about the policy going forward. But now with President Trump going, it's not clear if some of the agenda may change here. A couple of things that people need to be watching, and I know I am going to be fixated on when this happens is how are the men and women in the audience reacting. President Trump is used to giving speeches and rallies where he makes political statements and the crowd reacts well. Men and women in uniform have a different set of rules. They are not supposed to be political, but he is the commander in chief. So I am fascinated to see how people in the room react if the president tends to go off script. And what will happen when that happens?
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What have you heard from the ranks of folks that may be attending this type of meeting in anticipation of what is to come? As you've been talking to your sources.
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There'S a tremendous amount of concern about this meeting and what's going to be, what they're going to be told and what's going to happen. I think that there is a huge amount of trepidation among not just the people who are going to be there, but people who work for them, people who served in, at high ranks in the military about the optics of this. Is this going to look like there are hundreds of men and women with stars on their shoulders who are deferential or, or who seem to be in some ways praising the the commander in chief. Now, he is their commander in chief. He is the head of the United States military. So of course there would be deference. But it's a very fine line. And there's a lot of concern about how this is going to look not just here in the United States, but overseas. This is the kind of gathering that would not usually happen in the United States. I can't say it's unprecedented, but we've not been able to find any case where any, anything like this has occurred in the United States with the US Military. There is a tremendous amount of trepidation about this event tomorrow.
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Courtney Kuby, thank you.
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Thanks.
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All right, let's get to some headlines. Let's start North Carolina, a night out at a popular waterfront bar on Saturday turned deadly. Authorities saying a man on a boat opened fire on the crowd at the American Fish Company in Southport. Three people were killed. At least five others were injured. The suspect, identified as 41 year old Nigel Max Edge, was caught by the U.S. coast Guard as he tried to haul his boat out of the water in a nearby town. Investigators are calling it a, quote, highly premeditated attack. Edge is a combat veteran who suffers from ptsd. According to the Southport police chief, he is now facing multiple charges, including three counts of first degree murder. Jail records show Edge remaining in custody without bond. And then in Grand Blanc, Michigan, a Sunday church service became the target of a tragic assault. Police say 40 year old Thomas Jacob Sanford, a former Marine, rammed his car into a church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, then stormed inside with an assault rifle and set the building on fire. By the time it was over, four people were dead, eight more injured, and Sanford himself was killed in a shootout with police. The FBI is calling this a, quote, highly premeditated and targeted attack of violence. Crews are combing through the rubble searching for anyone who hasn't been accounted for. In Washington, the clock is ticking. Funds running out. At 12:01am Wednesday, President Trump is going to meet with the top four congressional leaders in a high stakes White House sit down that could decide whether the government is actually going to shut down. At the table, Democrats Hakeem Jeffries and Chuck Schumer and Republicans Mike Johnson and John Thune. Without a deal, agencies close, workers get furloughed and critical services grind to a screeching halt. Last time we checked in with Ryan Nobles, NBC News chief Capitol Hill correspondent, he said his shutdown meter was@Defcon4.
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Now, I know I described the shutdown meter last week in DEFCON terms. Let's change and describe it in percentage terms. And I think it's a 75% chance the government shuts down.
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And mainly that's because there just didn't.
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Seem to be much progress in this meeting between congressional leaders and President Trump. Republicans and Democrats don't trust each other. So when you go into a negotiation and you don't trust the other side, it makes it very, very difficult to come up with a deal. And that may be the biggest reason why a shutdown is very likely here within the next day.
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Despite all we've achieved, I cannot continue my reelection campaign.
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New York Mayor Eric Adams is bound out of the mayoral race. In an eight minute video posted to X, framed by a photo of his late mother, Adams said he could no longer continue his campaign. He cited weeks of speculation about his future and a major setback from the city's campaign finance board, which recently withheld millions in matching funds. With Adams out, the race now narrows to Zohra Mamdani, Andrew Cuomo, and Curtis Sliwa. But voters are still gonna see Adam's name on the ballot this fall. He dropped out after the printing deadline. Bad Bunny is hopping onto the biggest stage in sports. The Puerto Rican megastar is gonna headline the super bowl halftime show next year, which, by the way, will be on NBC. Roc Nation, Apple Music and the NFL are teaming up to bring Benito to the biggest Sunday night party of 2026. He just wrapped a residency in Puerto Rico and kicks off a world tour in November with stops from Mexico to Japan to Australia, but not mainland usa. So if you're an American fan, mark your calendars, everybody. Super Bowl Sunday may be your one shot to catch Bad Bunny on home turf. All right, that is going to do it for us at here's this group from NBC News. I'm Yasmin Bisugin. We'll be back here tomorrow with whatever the day may bring. And if you like what you heard, then like us back. Subscribe to Here's a scoop. Wherever you get your podcasts, we'll see you tomorrow. Oh, hey, love your shoes. If you're hearing this, this is your.
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