Reporter/Correspondent (2:35)

Motivation still out on that, but we are learning a little Bit more about him. Yasmin. We actually were able to connect with his brother before he even knew that Joshua was a possible suspect. But at the time, his brother Noah said, look, he is unique. He didn't elaborate much beyond that, but said that he had no extreme political views that he knew of and that he'd seen him two weeks ago at their parents house. Everything seemed normal. He said that the parents did have firearms and that Josh knew how to use them. But this was a total surprise, it sounds like to the at least his brother and said that really right or left, he did not see his brother as someone who might carry something like this out or to have extreme views at all.

Anchor/Interviewer (3:22)

I wanna get clarity on this because you guys connected with Joshua John's brother before it was publicly identified. That was because NBC had a heads up and started digging into Joshua John before we identified it publicly. Right.

Reporter/Correspondent (3:32)

One of my colleagues gave the brother Noah a call and did not even give the details that we believe this person to have maybe be the prime suspect or to be deceased. You don't want to deliver that kind of information to somebody, of course, before you know the full story. But this was a time where we knew he was the prime suspect. We were waiting on further confirmation before we could report it. And my colleague Rich Shapiro reached out and had this conversation with the brother who was totally surprised.

Anchor/Interviewer (4:00)

Anti ICE written on one of it seems, the shell casings, I believe that's right.

Reporter/Correspondent (4:06)

And that picture came out very quickly, was posted by FBI Director Kash Patel showing that this was anti ice, which really inflamed a lot of the interest and the rhetoric around what's happening here, because no ICE officers were actually hurt. Yeah. It's difficult to say who John, as the prime suspect, would have been targeting at this point. When they bring people out of their cars, they are detainees who are in handcuffs and ICE officers are walking them into this facility. And it very well could be that someone firing from a long distance, as these shots were, could have missed their target somehow. So it's a little confusing that the bullet at least posted on that picture, said anti ice, but no ICE officers were hurt. In fact, it was two immigrants who were hurt.

Anchor/Interviewer (4:53)

Julia, can you just put this in context for us? Covering immigration, covering homeland security, this latest act of violence?

Reporter/Correspondent (5:00)

I mean, it's definitely a pattern that we are seeing in terms of an increase threat to ICE personnel. There was another ICE detention facility in Northern Texas recently, in Alvarado, where they believed that the perpetrators tried to bring ICE officers outside of the facility. So that they could target them there. Instead, it ended up being a local police person who was shot in that incident. We've seen an ICE officer assaulted in San Francisco. We're certainly seeing an increase in this kind of incident. Of course, we're also seeing an increase in ICE operations everywhere because Trump's carrying out mass deportations. And in this case, I think it's easy. And at least what we're hearing so far from the Trump administration is to say this all fits a pattern, that there are radical people on the left that are against ICE carrying out the president's campaign promise. But I think it's important to point out that we don't know a lot about this yet. Yes, that bullet said anti ice, but no ICE officers were hurt. This one certainly needs more investigating, and that's why there's so many agencies involved now.

Anchor/Interviewer (6:09)

Julia Ainslie, thank you for jumping on this. Appreciate you so much. All right, I want to turn now to the war in Ukraine. President Trump appears to have pulled this 180 now, saying how the Ukrainian war could end after more than three years of fighting and months of back and forth between Kiev and Moscow. And he's now backing off this earlier call for this land swap deal between the two countries. It is quite the flip for someone who just last month was saying this.

Host/Announcer (6:38)

There'Ll be some swapping of territories to the betterment of both.

Anchor/Interviewer (6:43)

So this change of tone is coming after President Trump held a meeting with Ukrainian President Zelensky just yesterday, posting later that day on social media, quote, ukraine, with the support of the EU is, is in a position to fight and win all of Ukraine back in its original form, it caught even Ukraine's president off guard. When Fox News asked Zelensky last night if he was surprised to hear that.

Host/Announcer (7:06)

His answer a little bit and a bit.

Anchor/Interviewer (7:11)

And Russia doesn't seem too pleased with President Trump, despite the fact that just last month he rolled out the red carpet for President Putin at their summit in Alaska. So let's bring in now NBC News chief foreign affairs correspondent Richard Engel.

Host/Announcer (7:23)

Hi, Richard, it's great to be with you.

Anchor/Interviewer (7:26)

What do you make of this shift in tone from President Trump? Richard?

Host/Announcer (7:30)

So President Trump has long been quite dismissive of Ukraine's chances of winning this war. And his peace initiative has always been as a starting point that Ukraine would have to give up large amounts of territory. We never got that far into saying how much. What President Trump did just said, however, was, well, maybe, maybe Ukraine wins this war. Maybe Ukraine takes back all of its territory. It's a change of tone. It's much more optimistic. But I think it's, it's a message to the Russians at a time when things are escalating and when Russia and Vladimir Putin are escalating.

Anchor/Interviewer (8:07)

I wonder if Zelensky takes the president at his word or if there is an understanding that this is possibly a threat to Russian President Vladimir Putin. And the question is, if it is a threat to the Russian president, does he even care?

Host/Announcer (8:23)

Well, he has the potential to care a great deal because this is a threat. Now, whether President Trump makes good on this threat or not is a different question. And the reaction so far from the, from Moscow, from the Kremlin, has been, ah, this is just President Trump trying to govern a country through social media. He'll come back. He'll come back around. That was a specific quote. But the reason, I think this is more about Europe and more about a general escalation than it is specifically about Ukraine. Look what's just happened over the last couple of weeks across Europe. We saw those 20 drones fly into Poland, which is a NATO country. Poland and NATO went to high alert, scrambled forces. They had to shoot some of these drones down. They convened an urgent message, and Putin kind of laughed it off, saying, oh, it was a mistake. But it wasn't an isolated incident. Just over the last few days, the airport in Copenhagen shut for four hours because of suspicious drone activity. There have been incursions in Estonia just in the last few days, where three Russian MiG jets entered Estonian airspace. Estonia, also a NATO member, and stayed there for 12 minutes.

Anchor/Interviewer (9:37)

Wow.

Host/Announcer (9:37)

That's not an accident. You don't fly into someone's airspace and stay there for 12 minutes unless you're trying to send a message.

Anchor/Interviewer (9:44)

When I spoke with Ambassador McFaul on the day of the Alaska summit between President Trump and President Putin, Ambassador McFaul, who was a U.S. ambassador to Russia under the Obama administration, who has sat in rooms with Russian President Vladimir Putin, said that President Trump was essentially handing the keys over to Putin.

Host/Announcer (10:04)

What I see is that Putin thinks that momentum is on his side. They are making incremental gains at tremendous loss of life of Russian soldiers. But he doesn't care about that. But the biggest thing, why he thinks time is on his side is because we, the United States, are abandoning Ukraine right now.

Anchor/Interviewer (10:25)

Since this summit, have we seen a shift in alliances?

Host/Announcer (10:28)

President Trump is swerving a bit in the road. One day he's bringing Vladimir Putin to Alaska. And President Zelensky said time and time again that it was a disaster, that he Gave Putin that. Trump gave Putin everything he wanted. There was supposed to be a trilateral summit coming up. The trilateral summit never happened. There were no cease fire negotiations. Putin got something. The U.S. ukraine got nothing. But now we're seeing potentially a tougher policy as Europe is being pushed, as Vladimir Putin is probing. Europe is, I don't want to say goading them, but sort of pushing, throwing down the gauntlet, saying, here's a challenge, what are you going to do about it? And military analysts that I've spoken to believe that part of the reason that Putin is doing this, sending the drones, sending the jets, taunting NATO, is trying to send a message to NATO countries, but also the populations of NATO countries to put pressure on their government not to support the Ukrainian government, specifically not to send sophisticated air defenses to Ukraine, not to send advanced weapon systems to Ukraine, not to ever deploy their own soldiers to, to Ukraine as some sort of peacekeeping force. Because Vladimir Putin is saying the message, sending a message, you might need them at home, don't send them to Ukraine. You could be threatened. Don't do this, don't escalate this, because we can come to your house or come to your airport or what have you.

Anchor/Interviewer (11:54)

President Zelensky kind of weighed in on what he thought of the meeting he.

Host/Announcer (11:58)

Had with President Trump and I'm grateful for this meeting. And we expect America's actions to push Russia toward peace. Moscow fears America and always pays attention to it.

Anchor/Interviewer (12:12)

Is there a sense, Richard, that you think Ukrainians can trust the United States in this process?

Host/Announcer (12:17)

I don't think the Ukrainians feel that way. They don't feel that way about this administration. And I think they've reached a point where they know they can't trust anyone with their own future. And then watching the US Sort of sometimes blow hot, sometimes blow cold freeze intelligence, which Trump administration did. No, I don't think they would, would trust the US to be a, an honest middleman or, or that could ensure their future safety. But that doesn't mean they have a lot of choice in it. You know, you're gonna, you're gonna take the deal, you're gonna, that you think is the best. And many Ukrainians, I think, would like to see an end to this conflict. They would like to see the fighting stop in a, in a truce. It's been very long and hard on the Ukrainians and they don't want to see this escalate, but they don't want to also have a peace deal that just falls apart and is humiliation and is capitulating to Vladimir Putin and then they believe rewarding him, which will only account to amount to appeasement and him. Coming back for more later.

Anchor/Interviewer (13:21)

Richard Engel, thank you.

Host/Announcer (13:23)

Good to talk to you.

Anchor/Interviewer (13:26)

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And we are back with Here's a scoop from NBC news. Flashback to 1960, when late night host Jack Paar stunned viewers by walking off his show. Why, you ask? Because NBC had just cut one of his jokes without warning him. Furious Parr actually quit on the spot and then he disappeared for weeks. But when he finally came back to the desk, he had this to say.

Host/Announcer (15:41)

As I was saying before I was.

Anchor/Interviewer (15:42)

Interrupted last night we got a little deja vu when Jimmy Kimmel made his return to abc.

Host/Announcer (15:50)

Anyway, as I was saying before I.

Anchor/Interviewer (15:53)

Was interrupted, Kimmel's episode on Tuesday was his first in a week after Disney and ABC suspended the show. The network did not explain its decision at the time, but it came after comments that Kimmel made about Charlie Kirk's assassination. And following pressure from the chair of the fcc. But Disney has now reversed the decision, saying they'd had quote, thoughtful conversation with Kimmel and his team. For more on this, I want to bring in NBC News senior Hollywood reporter Rebecca Keegan. Hi, Rebecca.

Reporter/Correspondent (16:21)

Hi.

Anchor/Interviewer (16:22)

It was a little bit of an emotional roller coaster last night as you watched Jimmy Kimmel's opening monologue. There was a moment in which he. He choked up. What was your kind of takeaway? What moment stood out to you, Rebecca?

Hollywood Reporter/Entertainment Correspondent (16:36)

Yeah, I mean, there was so much that Kimmel had to accomplish in this monologue, and he hit a lot of beats, a lot of emotional beats. There's that moment where his voice audibly broke.

Host/Announcer (16:49)

But I do want to make something clear because it's important to me as a human, and that is, you understand that it was never my intention to make light of the murder of a young man.

Hollywood Reporter/Entertainment Correspondent (16:59)

He was clearly affected by the way in which people, in his opinion, misinterpreted his comments. But he sort of reached out to those people and said he understood how they feel. This was sort of a conciliatory statement. It wasn't an apology, but it was a way to say, if my comments hurt you, I get it. Which I think was important in some of the healing that at least Disney felt needed to happen after his comments. And I think in the largest sense, he made this monologue not about him, but about the issue of free speech. And he sort of made the point that this is much bigger than Jimmy Kimmel live.

Host/Announcer (17:44)

This show is not important. What is important is that we get to live in a country that allows us to have a show like this.

Hollywood Reporter/Entertainment Correspondent (17:52)

He also, I should say, was pretty funny. I mean, he started out in a bear suit with his sidekick Guillermo in a banana costume. So, you know, this is a comedy show. And he reminded us of that right off the top.

Anchor/Interviewer (18:06)

Yeah, I want to talk about the timeline here because you and I spoke during the suspension. We know there was talks going on and as, as Kimmel also alluded to, between Disney and Kimmel. Walk us through amidst all of the public outcry how this came to be, how he actually made it back on television last night.

Hollywood Reporter/Entertainment Correspondent (18:28)

Well, we know that over the week and over the weekend, there were high level talks happening between Kimmel and Disney CEO Bob I co chair Dana Walden, trying to find a way back. And we know that I think Disney really wanted him to come back. There was not a desire at that level to see Kimmel, who is this longtime employee and kind of face of the network, go away. Disney was, of course, under enormous Public pressure. There were these protests outside the gates. There was a campaign for people to cancel their Disney and Hulu subscriptions. And there were prominent actors and performers signing this ACLU letter decrying what Disney had done. So the studio's under enormous pressure. I think Kimmel had a fair amount of leverage in these conversations, but it seems like they were able to reach an agreement by Monday that enabled him to come back.

Anchor/Interviewer (19:23)

Did they have to sign off on the monologue? Was that part of the agreement?

Hollywood Reporter/Entertainment Correspondent (19:27)

I know that hosts sometimes preview sort of sensitive content for their studio bosses. In this case, it was interesting. I don't know if they explicitly signed off on the monologue. Kimmel made a sort of joking reference to Disney having certain stipulations should he come back. And he said, they wanted me to read this statement.

Host/Announcer (19:47)

Disney has asked me to read the following statement, and I agreed to do it. Here we go. To reactivate your Disney and Hulu account.

Hollywood Reporter/Entertainment Correspondent (20:03)

So it was sort of a wink at the fact that Disney has some say here.

Anchor/Interviewer (20:09)

What about Sinclair and Neckstar? Because let's be clear, they still are preempting this show and they said they're going to continue to do that.

Hollywood Reporter/Entertainment Correspondent (20:17)

We know that there have been talks between Disney and Sinclair and Neckstar throughout the week. They've said that they're continuing to talk. This is really complicated for both parties. In the case of nextar, we know they have this big, big deal going before the fcc. They have a lot of incentive to please Brendan Carr, to please Donald Trump. They also have this incredibly important relationship with Disney, which, by the way, has NFL rights and big, important pieces of content that presumably these companies want to be able to give to their consumers.

Anchor/Interviewer (20:54)

Brendan Carr, I'm glad you brought it up. Where are we with, with Brendan Carr and how, you know, any kind of communication that is happening between these networks and Carr, who's the FCC chair?

Hollywood Reporter/Entertainment Correspondent (21:04)

Well, he spoke at this conference on Monday. He appeared to sort of walk back the role that the FCC had played in Kimmel's being removed from the air. He said that Kimmel was removed because of his low ratings, not because of anything that happened at the federal government level. At the same time, he is continuing to sort of put pressure on other shows, other media organizations. I don't know, you know, what specific communications there have been between Disney and car. He seems to prefer communicating via podcasts and conferences and appearances on television.

Anchor/Interviewer (21:41)

Let me ask you kind of a bigger picture question, which is this idea of cord cutting the streamers are not beholden to the FCC the way that the networks are. Is this kind of more of an argument for the turning away from these major networks to the streamers?

Hollywood Reporter/Entertainment Correspondent (21:58)

Well, a whole generation of media consumers had already turned away. And if you look at Kimmel's numbers, the sort of his average ratings are like 1.6, 1.7 million. When he airs on ABC, his YouTube channel has something like 21 million subscribers. And even in his monologue last night, there was a sort of winking acknowledgement of that when he pointed out that his wife's family in St. Louis couldn't watch on their local affiliate. And he said, I guess you'll just have to catch it on YouTube.

Anchor/Interviewer (22:26)

Right?

Hollywood Reporter/Entertainment Correspondent (22:27)

So there is a way in which he he's sort of saying, you know, perhaps to nexstar and Sinclair and also to consumers who, you know, may be making decisions about their own viewing habits, like there are places you can watch this where there won't be interference.

Anchor/Interviewer (22:44)

Rebecca Keegan, thank you.

Hollywood Reporter/Entertainment Correspondent (22:46)

Thank you.

Anchor/Interviewer (22:49)

All right. Let's get to some headlines. NBC News projects Democrat Adelita Grijalva has won the special election for Arizona's 7th congressional district following her late father, Representative Raul Grijalva. The victory makes her the first Latina to represent Arizona in Congress and narrows the Republican majority in the house to 219 to 214. Camp Mystic's owner told families in an email obtained by NBC News that the Cypress Lake site will reopen under new safety laws. That site is separate from the Guadalupe river location that flooded in July, killing 27 campers and counselors in Texas. The camp also announced plans for a memorial to honor the victims, but parents told the New York Times they weren't consulted. And some are outraged. The mother of seal steward, whose body has yet to be recovered, said, quote, camp mystic is pressing ahead with reopening, even if it means inviting girls to swim in the same river that may still hold my daughter's body. Super Typhoon Ragasa has left a deadly path of destruction across Asia. One of the strongest storms of the year has killed at least 17 people in Thailand, Taiwan and another 10 in the northern Philippines. Hong Kong and Macau were hammered by fierce winds and torrential rain, triggering widespread flooding and power outages. The storm has now slammed into southern China, forcing the evacuation of millions and bringing flights and train service to a standstill in several cities. Before we go, a note of hope out of Minneapolis, 12 year old Sophia Forches, who was shot in the head last month during mass at Annunciation Catholic School. She is defying the odds. In a statement, her family says that she's showing promising signs of neurological recovery and she's moving into a rehab facility. Their message to the world is Sophia is winning. Your prayers are working. All right. That is gonna do it for us at Here's a Scoop from NBC News. I'm Yasmin Vesugin. We'll be back tomorrow with whatever the day may bring. And if you like what you heard, then like us back. Subscribe to Here's a Scoop wherever you get your podcasts.

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