The Trump Administration’s Mixed Messaging and Inside Iran’s Internet Blackout

Summary

Here's the Scoop: The Trump Administration’s Mixed Messaging and Inside Iran’s Internet Blackout

NBC News — March 10, 2026
Host: Yasmin Vossoughian
Guests: Courtney Kuby (NBC National Security Correspondent), Shuka Bedarian (Independent Journalist, London)

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Episode Theme

This episode tackles two central issues: the conflicting messages emerging from the Trump administration about the ongoing war in Iran, and the internal realities of Iran under a new Supreme Leader amid a sweeping government-induced internet blackout. The conversation combines White House and Pentagon perspectives on the conflict with ground-level sentiment from Iranians living through unprecedented censorship and repression.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Mixed Messaging from the Trump Administration on Iran

[00:03 – 11:02]

Pentagon vs. White House Tone

• Defense Perspective: Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth pronounced, “Today will be yet again our most intense day of strikes inside Iran. The most fighters, the most bombers, the most strikes. Intelligence more refined and better than ever.” (Pete Hegseth, 00:34)
  • Pentagon details focus on destroying Iran’s missile stockpiles, navy, and crippling their ability to build nuclear weapons.
  • Lack of concrete details or substantiated numbers, with briefing language remaining “vague.”
  • U.S. military push is moving “further east” inside Iran, targeting air defenses and drone-making facilities.
• Presidential Perspective: President Trump described the conflict as a “little excursion,” predicting a quick resolution—even as Pentagon messages suggest escalation.

Civilian Casualties and Accountability

• Over 100 children reportedly killed in a Tomahawk missile strike on a school in southwest Iran.
• Official Pentagon statement: Incident “remains under investigation.”
• Courtney Kuby: “It’s almost impossible to conceive of the US Military not having evidence that points to who is behind this... They should have satellite imagery. They should have infrared imagery. They should have the targeting list from that day.” (Kuby, 03:42)
• Confusion and frustration among reporters seeking answers around accountability and measures to prevent similar tragedies.

War Aims and the “Exit Ramp”

• Short-term U.S. military successes: Iranian Navy severely damaged (>50 ships sunk), ballistic missile launchers destroyed.
• Persistent threat: Iran’s drone production, with capacity for “hundreds, if not even thousands” made daily, leaving tanker routes (e.g., Strait of Hormuz) at risk.
• “The notion that they can use US Navy ships, that's a huge undertaking... All it takes is for one [drone] to get through, for a tragedy to strike.” (Kuby, 07:48)
• Longer-term objectives remain vague, swinging between talk of regime change, nation-building, or possible economic/diplomatic partnerships.
• Discussion on potential endgame: U.S. claims victory having set back Iran’s military capabilities, leaves regime and nuclear program intact, deferring political change to the Iranian people.
  • “If they really wanted a quick off ramp, they could essentially achieve those objectives...say, look, we’ve done it... Now it’s up to the Iranian people... Then candidly, the administration could walk away. That would be a very, potentially very messy outcome.” (Kuby, 10:25)

U.S. Military Casualties

• 140 American service members wounded, 8 severely injured in 10 days.

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2. Inside Iran: Voices Amid Internet Blackout

[12:43 – 23:12]

Reporting With an Internet Blackout

• Guest: Shuka Bedarian, British-Iranian journalist with contacts inside Iran despite internet shutdown.

• Explanation of “white internet” (privileged, government-approved access) vs. “black market VPNs” (risky, expensive workarounds for most citizens).

  “Ordinary people in Iran are deprived of the most basic human rights when it comes to information and safety. The government has shut down the Internet. People cannot communicate with one another and satellite dishes are targeted so that people are pushed back to watching only state television...” (Bedarian, 13:53)

• Journalistic trust allows Shuka to gather “messages, videos, voice notes, phone calls” from dozens of Iranians, illuminating patterns of consistent repression and sentiment.

Public Reaction to the New Supreme Leader, Mujtaba Khamenei

• Despite state media showing crowds celebrating, independent videos reveal rooftop chants of “Death to Mujtaba.”

  • “At the beginning, we would hear a lot of death to Khamenei... now...people are now chanting death to Mujtaba. For many years already, a large number of Iranians have come to the conclusion that the entire system of the Islamic Republic has failed.” (Bedarian, 17:24)

• Deep skepticism about both “hardliners” and so-called “reformists”; recent history cited: “some of the most brutal repression happened while these so-called reformists were in power.”

• Revival of monarchist slogans: “Thousands of people have lost their lives in the streets...chanting 'Pahlavi will return to Iran. Long live the king.'”

Shifting Hope and Fear

• Initial excitement that U.S./Israeli strikes might topple regime quickly fades to deep fear as regime withstands attacks and steps up repression.
  • “There’s been a growing concern and a lot of fear…The fear of a ceasefire and being left with this regime in power is more terrifying than the bombing itself. So many have told me we are willing risk losing our lives in these bombings if this means ending 47 years of the Islamic regime.” (Bedarian quoting source, 22:05)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “Today will be yet again our most intense day of strikes inside Iran.”
  – Defense Sec. Pete Hegseth [00:34]

• “It is almost impossible to conceive of the US Military not having evidence that points to who is behind this.”
  – Courtney Kuby [03:42]

• “The fear of a ceasefire and being left with this regime in power is more terrifying than the bombing itself.”
  – Shuka Bedarian, quoting Iranian source [22:05]

• “At the beginning, we would hear...death to Khamenei...now...people are chanting death to Mujtaba.”
  – Shuka Bedarian [17:24]

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Segment Timestamps

• 00:03 — Episode kickoff; mixed signals: Pentagon vs. White House on Iran
• 01:10 — Pentagon briefing analysis: targets, impact, unanswered questions
• 03:08 — Civilian casualties, school bombing, lack of accountability
• 04:48 — Confusion over changing U.S. objectives, long/short term aims
• 07:22 — Oil, economy, and security in the Strait of Hormuz
• 08:56 — Searching for an exit strategy; implications of possible U.S. withdrawal
• 11:05 — US service member casualty update
• 12:43 — (Ad break, resumes at 12:43)
• 13:07 — Shuka Bedarian joins: reporting amid Iran’s information blockade
• 16:15 — Sentiment on Supreme Leader Mujtaba Khamenei; chanting from rooftops
• 19:47 — Monarchist slogan resurgence and the broader meaning of protest
• 20:42 — Shift from hope to fear among Iranians; quotes from inside
• 23:12 — End of segment; guest thanks and transition
• 24:52 — (Return from ad break; headlines & closing)

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Language & Tone

• Conversational, probing, frank: The host and guests do not shy from critiquing official narratives or spotlighting difficult humanitarian realities.
• First-hand, urgent: Especially in relaying messages from Iran—Bedarian’s testimony is steeped in the language of “fear,” “hope,” “messaging,” and “repression.”

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Conclusion

This episode of Here's the Scoop highlights the disarray and contradictions within U.S. foreign policy messaging about the war in Iran, while also giving rare voice to the desperation and complexity of popular sentiment inside a censored, embattled Iran. It underscores the persistence of regime survival despite military blows, the limits of information in crisis, and the human costs that easily get drowned out by official statements or self-congratulatory milestones.

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Transcript

[A]

Hey, everybody. And welcome to here's the scoop from NBC News. I'm Yasmin Bisugian. On the show today, how Iranians are reacting to the country's new supreme leader, Mojta Bahomenei, and what it means for a nation at war. Plus, President Trump was pushing FDA approval of Luca Vorin for the treatment of autism. Why? The regulator said no. But first, we are getting mixed signals from the Trump administration about the war in Iran. Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth walked up to the Pentagon podium this morning with the following message.

[B]

Today will be yet again our most intense day of strikes inside Iran. The most fighters, the most bombers, the most strikes. Intelligence more refined and better than ever.

[A]

But last night, President Trump downplayed the conflict, calling it a, quote, little excursion and, and predicting it could end soon. So today we're asking which is it? An exit ramp from the president or escalation from the Pentagon? I wanna bring in NBC News senior national security correspondent Courtney Kuby. Hey, Court.

[C]

Hi.

[A]

So at this Pentagon briefing this morning, which you were at, I heard your voice, I heard you ask a question. Secretary of Defense Hegseth said, it's going to be the most intense day of strikes inside Iran. And he described what that could mean.

[B]

One, destroy their missile stockpiles, their missile launchers and their defense industrial base missiles and their ability to make them. Two, destroy their navy, and three, permanently deny Iran nuclear weapons forever.

[A]

What else did we learn this morning at this Pentagon briefing and how things are playing out with Iran?

[B]

Yeah, I mean, unfortunately we're not getting a whole lot of facts in these briefings, which is really frustrating. There is sort of a vague list of the sorts of targets that they're going after, but we don't have actual numbers and details to go behind provided by the US to actually back up a lot of these. Now, I've been trying to run down what Secretary Hegseth meant when he said this is going to be the biggest or most intense day yet. The biggest, the best I can get. Because every single day I ask this, what's new today? What's changing the operation?

[A]

Why is it more intense than yesterday?

[B]

Exactly. The best I can understand is as they go along, the US is moving further and further towards the middle of the country. They're pushing further east. As they do, they take out more air defense systems. It does seem that they've taken quite a few of them out. They're going after now drone production facilities. So they are able to, as they move further in and it'd be becomes safer Airspace for them, they're able to bring in more manned aircraft, which just means they may have more aircraft up there today that are flying safely. But at this point, we have no indication they're targeting anything different or that there's any change in the operations.

[A]

I mentioned the question that you asked at this briefing this morning, and it was about the school children that were bombed in the southwest of Iran. We talked to Molly Hunter about this. Last week, over 100 kids were killed. It was a Tomahawk missile that we now know that hit the school. What did Hegseth have to say about this? Because the United States has Tomahawks. Iran does not have Tomahawks. Despite the fact the President has continuously said it was Iran, it wasn't us.

[B]

All we're getting out of the Pentagon officially, and at this point, Secretary Hegseth is really the only one who's authorized to speak about it from the Pentagon. All we're getting is that it remains under investigation. But the people who we're talking to about this behind the scenes are telling us it just looks increasingly likely that this was a United States strike. It's still not clear whether it was bad targeting, whether there was bad intelligence, exactly what happened here. There's over 170 people believed to be dead, many if not most of them little kids. I understand that formal and official investigations take time, but it is almost impossible to conceive of the US Military not having evidence that points to who is behind this. They should have satellite imagery. They should have infrared imagery. They should have the targeting list from that day. They know they were targeting in the region. They should have a good sense of this. And the reason that I asked that question is because is there accountability and is there any effort to ensure that something like this doesn't happen again? And unfortunately, we're not getting answers to that.

[A]

Speaking to the lack of information and confusion coming from top on down, as we're talking about what's happening coming out of the Pentagon, we also have what seems to be a little bit of a different message coming from the White House. The President had this press conference yesterday, and he essentially said, this thing is almost over. We're there. Right? We've won. How do you square that?

[B]

So the best that I can tell is the President is talking about some of the basic military objectives here, and they have made a lot of progress in some of them taking out the Iranian Navy. More than 50 ships have been sunk now. They still have small, fast boats, and those are not insignificant, deteriorating to degrading The Iranian ballistic missile program. Absolutely. They have taken out a huge percentage of their launchers. They're going after their production capabilities, they're going after their stockpiles. It's not decimated, but they have gone after a lot of them. The drones are a different story because Iran had tens of thousands of drones going into this. They had a production capability that allowed them to make. We don't even know the official number, but there are estimates of hundreds, if not even thousands of them every single day. So that is a bigger target. And the drones are a significant threat and a significant capability. These are the short term military objectives that we've been told about. But we know there are medium and longer range objectives here that are both military and potentially diplomatic, maybe economic. And no one will talk to us about exactly what that is. There are at times it's about regime change. Even at times they talk about nation building. It's about a potential partnership between the US And Iran over oil. We don't know what that's going to look like. And because it's been so foggy and so fuzzy and at this point it's plausible that they could call military win and walk away.

[A]

How do you have a partnership with Iran when you're bombing the regime? From your experience in reporting at the

[B]

Pentagon, I mean, at this point, I'm sure they have plans for all of these things. The question is, are the objectives changing? Are they changing the goalposts constantly? They have actually made a lot of progress militarily. Now they have taken some hits militarily as well. US Bases throughout the region have, many of them have taken hits. We know about the service members who have been injured and killed in this so far. But the question is, are they changing some of the objectives? Because it's just, it's getting tough with gas prices, with the economy, with public sentiment about this. Is it possible that they just want to, you know, cut the ties? I really don't know the answer to that. It seems to be a day to day question.

[A]

We know that this president is driven by deals, he's driven by trade, he's driven by money, he's driven by the economy. Right when he feels as if there is pressure on him from that sector. When you look at what's happening with oil prices as well, what is the President's, what is the Pentagon's plan in order to keep that trade flowing through the Strait of Hormuz so long as this war is ongoing?

[B]

They have a huge undertaking to do this because again, it goes back to the Drones. The real threat in the Strait of Hormuz are Iranian drones. We keep hearing that they were able to take out a. A ship that's actually a drone launcher. That was a big win for the US Military when it comes to cutting down the threat in the region. I feel like for decades we've talked about the threat from Iranian mines in the Strait of Hormuz in the Gulf and down, you know, but that's not the real big threat. As long as they have a drone arsenal, the shipping in the Strait of Hormuz is in jeopardy. And the notion that they can use US Navy ships, that's a huge undertaking as well. And it's a huge threat to those Navy ships. They have the ability to take some of these drones down, down. They can defend against missiles, but if there's a barrage of them, all it takes is for one to get through, for a tragedy to strike, and then what happens to this war if, in fact they're able to hit a U.S. navy ship? I don't see a real solution to the threat that exists in the Strait of Hormuz and throughout that region to commercial shipping unless the Iranian drone program is severely curtailed.

[A]

We've been kind of asking this again and again. I'm not sure if you have the answer to it, but the question is, is there an off ramp? Are there folks inside the Pentagon that are seen as kind of the quote, unquote, voices of reason that are advising the President as to how to get out of this thing, when to get out of this thing, when to call it, how to transition to whatever objective it is that they want to fulfill.

[B]

So I don't know that those people exist in the Pentagon. Secretary Hegseth keeps the people in the Pentagon who have direct access to the President to such a small group. I think there are a lot of outside government people who are talking to the President about these things. So here's the only real off ramp that I see that essentially pulls the US out of this right now. And it won't be clean, but that is, again, they have these defined military objectives, ballistic missile program, the Iranian navy, and then destroying their ability to project power. That's somewhat ambiguous, right? So they can say that they have cut down their ballistic missile production, their facilities, their launchers and things, 95%, whatever it is, get to just about 100%. They can take out the Navy, they can really decimate the Air Force. They can pack up the runways. They can cause so much damage to the Iranian military and security infrastructure that they are set back years and can't believe that.

[A]

But the regime is still in place.

[B]

The regime is still in place. And guess what else is their nuclear program.

[A]

Their nuclear program is still in place.

[B]

They still have not gone after the nuclear program. But if they really wanted a quick off ramp, they could essentially achieve those objectives. They could say, look, we've done it. We have hurt them militarily. We have set them back by years, if not decades. And now it's up to the Iranian people to figure out the governance or to overthrow, to topple the regime. And then candidly, the administration could walk away. That would be a very, potentially very messy outcome. But candidly, I don't see any other way for the US to get out of this quickly. It's not, and again, it is not clean, but it is one way for them to get out.

[A]

Courtney Kuby, thank you.

[B]

Thanks.

[A]

We Learned today that 140 U.S. service members have been wounded since the war in Iran began 10 days ago. And eight service members remain listed as, quote, severely injured. We're going to take a very quick break, and when we are back, we are talking to a British Iranian journalist about how public sentiment inside that country is shifting. And while you're waiting, why don't you just go ahead and subscribe to here's the Scoop. Wherever you listen to your podcast, we just want to make sure we are right there in your feed as soon as we drop back after a break.

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and we are back with here's the Scoop from NBC News. So one of the really Difficult things about reporting on the Iran war is actually getting a handle on what is happening inside the country from the Iranian people themselves. But Shuka Bedarian has found a way, even with the Internet shutdown there. She is an independent journalist covering Iran and she is joining me now.

[C]

Salam Shouka Salaam Yasmin Hassan Abashi Hasan Habashi.

[A]

It's great to have you, Shuka. Thank you for joining us. You are based in London, but you have been speaking to people inside of Iran and doing reporting on what has been happening there over the last ten days or so. You have gathered voices together from people inside Iran to kind of understand the sentiment of the Iranian people. This is audio and video that we personally here at NBC have not verified without revealing your sources and people that you've been talking to. Walk us through how it is you've been able to gather some of this reporting.

[C]

Absolutely. First thing first, your viewers and your listeners should know that the trust that people of Iran, inside Iran have in me, it's because of many years of working as a journalist for Manato tv, which is a far speaking channel based in London. And right now, ordinary people in Iran are deprived of the most basic human rights when it comes to information and safety. The government has shut down the Internet. People cannot communicate with one another and satellite dishes are targeted so that people are pushed back to watching only state television rather than, let's say, Minato TV and all the Farsi speaking channels and news outlets outside Iran. And at the same time, the government openly admits that some people are being given privileged access to Internet. Today I was listening to the news and the government spokesperson Fatemeh Mohajerani said that certain individuals are being provided with unfiltered Internet so that they can convey the government's voice to others. In Iran, this is often called white Internet. While ordinary people are left trying to access the outside world through extremely expensive at the moment, black market VPNs, if they can access anything at all. And yet people still try to speak. In my own case, I receive messages, videos, especially at the beginning. It's been a lot more difficult during the past few days. Voice notes and even short phone calls from dozens of people across Iran. Sometimes I tried to count it the other day. Since the protest and the mass killing In January, around 50, 60 individuals in different cities reached out. When you listen to their testimonies, a pattern begins to emerge. Despite being in different places and speaking independently, they often describe the same conditions and the same fears. And that's why I'm here today simply as a messenger. So thank you again for having me.

[A]

I want to go through, though, some of the videos that you have sent me from people in Iran. And I want to talk first about what has happened over the last 48 hours. And that was the selection of Mushta Bahomenei as the next Supreme Leader of Iran. And I think a lot of people are wondering what is the sentiment in inside the country? And listen, we've been seeing videos online of obviously, you know, thousands if not millions of Iranians in the streets celebrating his selection. But the videos that you have been getting, when it comes to whether or not people support or oppose Mujtabu Khamenei, communicate a very different message. In fact, some of the videos that you have sent to me are saying, Death to Mujtaba. How uncommon is it inside Iran to stand on your rooftop to shout from your window, death to the Supreme Leader. What does that say to you?

[C]

I sometimes like to think that Iranian people are very creative when it comes to wanting to show to the world and others how they actually feel. And right after the two days of mass killing in January on the 8th and 9th, people started shouting slogans on the rooftops, which usually occurs at night as well. And of course, they do record the videos and send it to us. And at the beginning, we would hear a lot of death to Khamenei. But it was quite interesting to then start getting videos now, after the announcement of the leadership of Mujtaba that people are now chanting death to Mujtaba. And for many years already, a large number of Iranians have come to the conclusion that the entire system of the Islamic Republic has failed. It's not just the hardliners. They reject the likes of Ali Khamenei and Mujtab Al Khamenei. What has changed over the past decade is that many people have also stopped believing in the so called reformists. Figures who were once once presented as alternatives, Rouhani, Zarif, even Mir Hossein Mousavi, are now seen by many Iranians as part of the same political structure. It's also important to remember that some of the most brutal repression happened while these so called reformists were in power. In 2019, during nationwide protests, the regime shut down the Internet across the entire country. And according to reports, around 1,500 people were killed in just three days. And that time, Rouhani was in office as the president. So when people talk about the future, they are not just talking about reform inside the system anymore. They are talking about the system itself. And from the messages I've been getting from inside Iran, Iranians have found challenging is the myth that there is no credible opposition leader. Thousands of people have lost their lives in the streets of Iran while chanting, pahlavi will return to Iran. Long live the king. Reza Pahlavi is our national slogan.

[A]

It's interesting, though, because for a long time, the former Crown Prince of Iran, Reza Pahlavi, who you're talking about, did not necessarily seem like someone who could be a credible leader inside Iran and certainly did not have the support of a lot of Iranians. It seems like also there is a shifting sentiment inside the country, which I think is important to speak to the people that I've been speaking to. Right. There is a sense of hope that there is a possibility of real regime change. But now feeling as if with the appointment and selection of Mujtaba Khamenei, that there is a worry that this regime will, in fact, stay in place, will be able to, you know, ward off the efforts of American and Israeli forces to remain in power. Is that what you're hearing as well?

[C]

Absolutely, Yasmeen. That's exactly what I was noticing earlier messages right at the beginning of the strikes was messages of joy and hope that USA and Israel have finally come to help the people of Iran to liberate their country and that Ali Khamenei, the supreme leader of Iran responsible for the killing of tens of thousands of Iranian, is dead. But then right now, the messages I have been receiving over the past few days, there's been a growing concern and a lot of fear. People obviously are receiving threats from security forces from the IRGC and besiege. And by the way, some of these videos now shared on social media bes siege units on motorbikes have reportedly been moving through neighborhoods in different cities, chanting slogans, accusing people of being spies or mercenaries and then threatening them in the middle of a war. They chant, we will kill you. We will kill you. And so I have actually just managed to get a message from the person who sent me one of the rooftop chanting videos that I sent to you on the first day of the attack on of February 28th. And they have been without Internet until today, March 10th. Right. And so they said to me, I'm going to just read this. They said, when strikes happen, people feel hopeful. When they stop, people feel disappointed. What we fear most is the Islamic Republic remaining in power. So this was the message I received today. But over the past few days, I have received similar messages as well. So One person said that the explosions were so intense last night, people thought that it might be the final night before a ceasefire like the 12 day war with Israel. But then they added something really striking to me. They said the fear of a ceasefire and being left with this regime in power is more terrifying than the bombing itself. So many have told me we are willing risk losing our lives in these bombings if this means ending 47 years of the Islamic regime.

[A]

Shuka Bedarian Khalimnim, thank you.

[C]

Merci Yasmin, thank you for having me.

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And we are back with. Here's the scoop from NBC News. Let's get to some headlines. Canadian police are investigating reports of gunfire at the U.S. embassy in Toronto today. No injuries have been reported and no suspect information has been released. Ontario Premier Doug Ford called it a, quote, unacceptable act of violence and intimidation aimed at our American friends and neighbors. The FBI is searching a storage unit in Pennsylvania related to what appears to be ISIS inspired terrorism that took place outside of Gracie Mansion this weekend, the home of the New York City Mayor Zohra Mamdani. Two teenagers are facing federal charges after allegedly throwing a homemade explosive device during conflicting protests. Those include unlawfully possessing and using a, quote, weapon of mass destruction. According to a federal complaint filed in the US District Court for the Southern District of New York. The device didn't explode and nobody was hurt, but the complaint accuses the men of trying to inflict more carnage than the Boston marathon bombing. The FDA has approved a new use of the synthetic vitamin B9 known as leucovorin for a rare neurological condition, but not to treat autism, as the Trump administration had previously touted. So last September, President Trump and the head of the FDA said they were planning to relabel the drug after a few small studies showed it helped reduce symptoms of autism. But now a senior FDA official says there wasn't enough data to prove it. And one of those studies was actually pulled in January after the authors identified errors. But leucovorin is being used off label by parents anyway. In the two and a half months since Trump's announcement, prescriptions for children rose 71%, according to data published last week in the medical journal the Lancet. And finally, if you're wondering, okay, why are there so many adults out and about in the streets with blue overalls on and a red hat? Well, Everybody, today is March 10th, so you know the date, but then spell it out. If you write M A R1 oh, it reads like Mario Day in New York. You have fans of the game that are coming together in Manhattan to try and break a world record for the largest gathering of people dressed as Mario. And likely people that missed out on SantaCon. Gosh, maybe I need to break out my old Nintendo system and fire up some Mario Brothers. That's going to do it for us at here's the scoop from NBC News. I'm Yasmin Vesugin. We'll be back tomorrow with whatever the day may bring. And if you like what you heard, subscribe wherever you get your podcasts. And you can also subscribe to our daily newsletter, the Inside Scoop. It is a deeper dive on the main stories of the day that comes out every weeknight straight to your inbox. You can sign up for the Inside Scoop as part of our paid [e-mail] we'll see you tomorrow. When it's time to scale your business. It's time for Shopify.

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