Trump’s approval slides; 6 killed in Jerusalem shooting

Summary

Here's the Scoop (NBC News)

Episode: Trump’s Approval Slides; 6 Killed in Jerusalem Shooting
Date: September 8, 2025
Host: Morgan Chesky
Guests: Steve Kornacki (NBC Chief Data Analyst), Richard Engel (NBC Chief Foreign Correspondent)

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Episode Overview

This episode dives into two major news stories: President Donald Trump’s declining approval ratings, the implications for the 2026 midterms, and the generational divides reflected in new polling; and the latest developments in Jerusalem, where a deadly shooting attack has left six dead amid escalating violence in the region. NBC experts provide data-driven insights and on-the-ground analysis.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. President Trump’s Approval Rating Slips

• [00:27] Morgan Chesky opens with NBC’s latest poll:
  • Trump’s job approval stands at 43% with 57% disapproval.
  • Data gathered from over 30,000 adults (incl. 3,000 Gen Z), margin of error ±1.9% (±2.2% for Gen Z).
• [01:54] Steve Kornacki analyzes the significance:
  • Historically, low-40s approval is “not a great number” for any president.
  • For Trump, this is “kind of the normal level…throughout this second term and…first term as well.”
  • Key concern: In 2018, similar ratings preceded GOP House losses; concerns now about a repeat in 2026.
  • Quote (Kornacki, 02:20):

    “Republicans don’t want a repeat of that in 2026. So if numbers like this caused them trouble in 2018, the fear for Republicans is numbers like this will cause trouble for them again.”

• [03:01] Kornacki differentiates 2026 from 2018:
  • Redistricting changes may alter outcomes; both parties vying for advantageous maps.
  • Republican favorability matches Trump’s approval (43%); Democrats lower at 41%.
  • During Trump’s first term, Democrats were more popular than Republicans—this has flipped.
  • Quote (Kornacki, 03:51):

    “Voters who may be dissatisfied with Trump maybe aren’t going to be so quick to latch on the Democrats. That’s what they’re hoping, certainly.”

Issue-by-Issue Breakdown

• [04:24]
  • Economy, esp. inflation, is the top concern for Americans (45% cite inflation/cost of living).
  • Trump’s approval on inflation and cost of living: 39% (below overall approval).
  • Historically, economy was Trump’s strength; now, it’s a liability.
  • Strongest marks are on border security and immigration (close to 50% approval).
  • Quote (Kornacki, 05:10):

    “Where he does much better is when you ask about border security and immigration. He’s up closer to 50% there.”

Generational & Gender Gaps: The Gen Z Divide

• [05:28] Morgan Chesky observes a “generational divide” evident in the polling.
• [05:43] Kornacki dives deeper:
  • Gen Z overall: Trump’s approval at 36%.
  • Major gender gap within Gen Z:
    • Gen Z women: Far more anti-Trump and progressive than Gen Z men.
  • Definitions of success differ starkly:
    • Gen Z men who voted Trump: Top definition of success is “having children.”
    • Gen Z women who voted Harris: “Having children” is the lowest priority (only 6%); value “fulfilling career” and “emotional stability” foremost.
  • Quote (Kornacki, 07:19):

    “Gen Z women, much more anti-Trump, much more progressive than Gen Z men...the divide between these two groups in just the basic question of success in life was profound.”

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2. Jerusalem Shooting and Escalation in Gaza

• [09:04] Morgan Chesky introduces a breaking story:
  • Two gunmen opened fire on commuters at a bus stop in northern Jerusalem.
  • Casualties: Six killed, more than a dozen wounded. Attackers were shot dead.
  • Attack occurred near an Orthodox Jewish neighborhood; several victims were rabbis and members of the ultra-Orthodox community.

On-the-Ground Reporting from Richard Engel

• [09:32] Richard Engel describes the scene:
  • Rapid response from police, first responders, and a unique team responsible for recovery and religious burial practices.
  • Quote (Engel, 10:36):

    “By the time we got there, there was still blood on the ground, there were still bodies on the ground…there is a system that happens when there’s an attack…unique group…make sure everything is given a proper burial.”

• [11:06] Israel’s reaction:
  • Immediate: Both soldiers and armed civilians responded, killing the attackers.
  • Attackers identified as Palestinians entering through a gap in the West Bank fence.
  • Quote (Engel, 11:27):

    “When these two attackers...came from the West Bank...they found a gap in this fence and came into Israel...they were killed on the scene by armed civilians and one soldier.”

Gaza Offensive Context

• [11:58] Engel outlines Israel’s current military operations:
  • Focus shifting to Gaza City (“the campaign is underway and it’s intensifying”).
  • Israel issuing evacuation orders, destroying buildings—“not a light switch, but the dimmer is on.”
  • Potential for “enormously destructive” house-to-house combat, risking civilian and military casualties.
  • Quote (Engel, 12:39):

    “Israel is threatening right now to go in, clear Gaza City, go street to street, house to house in a campaign that would undoubtedly be enormously destructive...The campaign is underway and it’s intensifying.”

Prospects for a Ceasefire

• [13:25] US-backed ceasefire proposal:
  • President Trump issued a “last warning” to Hamas to release hostages—Israel has endorsed the plan.
  • Engel: A deal is “possible,” with main sticking point being the future governance and rebuilding of Gaza.
  • Both sides closer to agreement on hostages/end of Hamas rule than before.
  • Quote (Engel, 13:49):

    “The main dispute is what comes next, who controls Gaza, who rebuilds it…and what happens to the Palestinian people. But…the issue of hostages and the end of Hamas rule…seem to be more resolvable and closer than they have been before.”

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3. Headlines Round-Up

• [14:39] Morgan Chesky delivers a rapid series of notable headlines:
  • Supreme Court Immigration Ruling:
    • 6-3 decision allows federal agents to resume “roving patrols” in Los Angeles, sparking controversy over racial profiling concerns.
  • Hyundai Plant Immigration Raid:
    • US and South Korea negotiating voluntary return of detained South Korean workers to avoid deportation.
    • President Trump affirms relations with South Korea are “not damaged.”
  • E. Jean Carroll Defamation Case:
    • Federal appeals court upholds $83.3 million defamation judgment against Trump.
    • Carroll’s attorney welcomes continued progress toward “justice being finalized.”
  • Howard Stern Prank:
    • Shock jock and Andy Cohen stage fake exit from SiriusXM; Stern appears later to reveal it was all a hoax.
    • Quote (Stern, 17:35):

      “What pisses me off is now I can’t leave. I was, I’ve been thinking about retiring. Now I can’t, because then they’ll say I got pushed out.”

  • Seahawks Crowd-Control Tactics:
    • Seattle Seahawks to use undercover police in opposing team jerseys at games to monitor fan behavior.
    • Raises questions about boundaries between “healthy heckling” and inappropriate conduct.
    • Host’s remark:

      “If you are one of those cops getting paid to watch football while on duty, well, working on a Sunday doesn’t sound half bad.”

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• Steve Kornacki (02:20):

  “Republicans don’t want a repeat of that in 2026. So if numbers like this caused them trouble in 2018, the fear for Republicans is numbers like this will cause trouble for them again.”

• Steve Kornacki (07:19):

  "The divide between these two groups in just the basic question of success in life was profound."

• Richard Engel (10:36):

  “By the time we got there, there was still blood on the ground...And here there is a system that happens when there’s an attack...to make sure everything is given a proper burial.”

• Richard Engel (12:39):

  “Israel is threatening right now to go in, clear Gaza City, go street to street, house to house in a campaign that would undoubtedly be enormously destructive, cost many Palestinian lives and potentially many Israeli soldiers as well.”

• Howard Stern (17:35):

  “What pisses me off is now I can’t leave. I was, I’ve been thinking about retiring. Now I can’t, because then they’ll say I got pushed out.”

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Timestamps for Major Segments

• 00:27 – Top story: Trump’s approval rating
• 01:54 – Deep dive with Steve Kornacki about poll details
• 05:28 – Generational and gender divides in Gen Z (Kornacki)
• 09:04 – Update on Jerusalem shooting; intro to Richard Engel report
• 09:32 – On-the-ground witness account and response to the attack (Engel)
• 11:58 – Gaza City offensive update (Engel)
• 13:25 – US-backed ceasefire proposal, prospects for peace (Engel)
• 14:39 – Headlines roundup (SCOTUS immigration, Hyundai raid, defamation case, Howard Stern prank, Seahawks policing tactics)

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Tone and Delivery

The hosts maintain a brisk, clear, and informative tone throughout, combining concise data analysis, sharp interviews, and direct reporting from the field, making complex stories accessible without sacrificing depth. The episode delivers a blend of seriousness on global and political events with interludes of lighter, pop culture headlines for a comprehensive evening news wrap.

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Useful For...

Listeners who missed the episode or seek a thorough, digestible recap of shifting political winds in America, the deepening Middle East crisis, and a quick catch-up on significant headlines of the day.

Transcript

[Morgan Chesky]

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[Morgan Chesky]

Keep it quilted with quilted Northern. Hey, friends, and welcome to here's the Scoop from NBC News. I'm Morgan Chesky. We have a lot to talk about on the show today. Israel is ramping up its offensive on Gaza City. The latest on an immigration raid at a Hyundai plant in Georgia. And as football season officially kicks off, we're learning more about an undercover strategy to try to keep fans in line. We'll explain, but first we gotta start with our top story today, and that is amid a flurry of action on tariffs, immigration, and public health, Americans are not happy with President Donald Trump's job performance. About 57%, in fact, say they disapprove. This is all according to the latest NBC News Decision Desk poll powered by SurveyMonkey. This online survey was with just over 30,000 adults, and it ran from August 13th to September 1st. And included within that number, and this is important, about 3,000 members of Gen Z. And for all you stats people, the full sample's margin of error is plus or minus 1.9 percentage points, while the Gen Z subsets margin of error is plus or minus 2.2 percentage points. Okay, now that we've got that understood, I want to get straight into the nitty gritty here with our chief data analyst, Steve Kornacki, the one and only. Steve, thanks for being here.

[Steve Kornacki]

Sure. Happy to do it, Morgan.

[Morgan Chesky]

So, Steve, I want to dive into this poll. What exactly did you learn?

[Steve Kornacki]

Yeah, I mean, look, we, we checked his approval rating at 43% in this poll, and I guess there's a couple ways of looking at that, right? I mean, historically speaking, if you're a president, you don't really want to be in the low 40s. It's not a great number historically speaking. Although when it comes to Donald Trump, this is kind of the normal level for him. We've seen a, a level around 43% low mid-40s throughout this second term. And we really saw a number similar to that throughout his first term as well. So, you know, I think the concern for Trump and for the Republicans, if the number now is similar to the number during his first term, one of the things that happened during his first term was he had a bad midterm Republicans lost control of the house in 2018. And obviously right now, Republicans control of the House is sort of hanging by a thread. They don't want a repeat of that in 2026. So if numbers like this caused them trouble in 2018, the fear for Republicans is numbers like this will cause trouble for them again next year in 2026.

[Morgan Chesky]

Totally understand where you're coming from there, but would you also agree, though, that 2018, I mean, it almost feels like an eternity away at this point?

[Steve Kornacki]

Sure. I mean, look, there's a lot of differences just in terms of the types of seats that were up in 2018. And a major issue that's sort of playing out right now is this the redistricting you're seeing in Texas, maybe the Democrats in Florida, maybe a number of other states where both parties are now trying to position themselves by with favorable draws of these maps in the advance of 2026, something we weren't seeing back then. But I one of the numbers from our poll that Republicans would point to, and certainly the Trump folks would point to, to say this is why 2018 won't happen in 2026. We asked about the opinion of each party, Democrats and Republicans. Republicans have a 43% favorable rating, same as Trump's approval rating. The Democrats are actually lower, 41%. And it's not a huge difference. But this is something we've seen throughout this second term for Donald Trump that is different than during his first term. In his first term, the Democrats were more popular than the Republicans. There was Trump unpopularity in his first term, and the Democrats were able to tap into it this time around, the Democrats less popular than Republicans. So from the Trump GOP standpoint, voters who may be dissatisfied with Trump maybe aren't going to be so quick to latch on the Democrats. That's what they're hoping, certainly.

[Morgan Chesky]

Steve, you kind of dove into this poll on a deeper level here. Have you noticed any particular troublesome spots for President Trump?

[Steve Kornacki]

Yeah, I mean, look, it's the economy, and really in particular, it's inflation. When we ask people what their top issue is, they say it's the economy. When we ask them what aspect of the economy most worries them, is it taxes, Is it unemployment? 45% say inflation and the cost of living. And then when you ask folks, well, what do you think? How is Trump doing on inflation and cost of living? His approval rating on that alone is 39%. So lower than his overall approval rating. And this is again, this is something if you think back to his first term One of Trump's strongest areas was the economy. Now it's one of his weakest areas. Where he does much better is when you ask about border security and immigration. He's up closer to 50% there.

[Morgan Chesky]

Right. There are some bright spots, at least for the president on that side of things. Right?

[Steve Kornacki]

Yeah. And we've seen this earlier in this year as well. Border and immigration, he gets his highest marks. The economy and inflation, he gets his lowest marks. And it's a little counter. It's a little bit the opposite of what we saw in his first term. So it creates an interesting question heading into 2026, of how voters are going to prioritize those two things.

[Morgan Chesky]

Steve, one of the things that really struck me when I looked at the data that came out of this was this generational divide or the fact that you were able to kind of lean into some of what Gen Z is thinking and how they're kind of approaching some of their stances at the polls. What struck you on that front?

[Steve Kornacki]

Yeah, Morgan, it's interesting. And this was a little bit of a different poll here. So this is an online poll of all adults, not just registered voters. So we were getting up sort of a wide net here. And it allowed us in this poll, really drill deep on Gen Z. Gen Z, basically adults under 30 years old. And we found certainly overall, Trump's approval rating with Gen Z, I think, was 36%. But what we found was a major gender gap among Gen Z. We talk about a gender gap. We see this in all age categories. It was even more dramatic among Gen Z, where Gen Z women, much more anti Trump, much more progressive than Gen Z men. And then we took it a step further, and I thought this was really interesting. You know, think about this. Gen Z. We're talking sort of about the future here, right? These are the emerging adults, the emerging leaders of this country. We want to find out something more basic about them. We asked them a very interesting question about how they define success in life. And what we found was when you break it down by gender and by politics, the divide between these two groups and just the basic question of success in life was profound. And I'll give you an example of this. Gen Z men who voted for Trump, okay, men under 30 who voted for Trump, what is their top definition of success in life? Having children. More cited that than any other. We gave him about 12 options here. More cited that Gen Z women who voted for Kamala Harris. Okay, so other end of the scale here. Number 12 out of 12 on their list having children. Just 6% chose that.

[Morgan Chesky]

That's fascinating.

[Steve Kornacki]

Marriage and children were near the top at or near the top of the list for Gen Z men who voted Trump at or near the bottom of the list for Gen Z women who voted for Harris. Much higher on the list for Gen Z women who voted for Harris was having a fulfilling career or job. And they also cited emotional stability in their lives, emotional well being. Dramatically more likely to cite that than Gen Z men who voted for Trump.

[Morgan Chesky]

Same generation couldn't be more opposite as far as definitions of success. Interesting. Steve Kornacki, always a pleasure. Thanks so much.

[Steve Kornacki]

Hey, thanks, Morgan.

[Morgan Chesky]

All right, team. Coming up, we're going to be checking in on the situation in Gaza. Stay with us.

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[Morgan Chesky]

Welcome back to here's the Scoop. I want to turn now to the Middle east, where two gunmen open fire on commuters waiting for the bus on the northern outskirts of Jerusalem. We've learned six people were killed, more than a dozen were wounded before police shot the attackers dead. Now this latest strike is all coming as Israeli forces continue to push deeper into Gaza City. NBC's chief foreign correspondent Richard Engel on the ground forests in Jerusalem today. Richard, thanks for being here.

[Richard Engel]

Absolutely, Morgan, good to be with you.

[Morgan Chesky]

First and foremost, I know your hotel was not far from this attack. What did you experience when this attack took place?

[Richard Engel]

This attack took place on a main road leading into Jerusalem right next to a very religious Orthodox neighborhood. So a lot of the people who were killed were members of the religious Jewish community. There were several rabbis, people who here are described as ultra Orthodox. And yeah, we're not very far away. And by the time we got there, there was still blood on the ground, there were still bodies on the ground. Police were setting up a cordon. There were body bags, white body bags. And here there is a system that happens, you know, when there's an attack. The police come, the soldiers come, they cordon off the area. And then a unique group of half ambulance workers, half rabbis, half recovery specialists. And what they do is they, they don't search for forensic evidence because here there was no investigation. The people who carried out the attack were shot and their bodies were on the ground. So there was no mystery about who had done this attack. But what they're looking for, these people are all the remains to make sure everything is given a proper burial.

[Morgan Chesky]

How quickly do you believe police and this team of first responders were able to react to this? And what does that say right now about the larger climate in Israel particularly?

[Richard Engel]

Well, reaction here happens instantaneously. People in Israel generally carry guns. There's lots of soldiers and lots of civilians carry guns. And when, when these two attackers, these two Palestinians who came from the west bank, according to Israeli media, they went through a hole in the fence separating Israel in the west bank, they found a gap in this fence and came into Israel, didn't have permits, carried out this attack and then they were kill, killed on the scene by people who were there, by armed civilians and one soldier who took out their own weapons and neutralized the terrorists is the way that the police here described it.

[Morgan Chesky]

Richard, if we talk about context, you know, this is all happening as Israel is pushing deeper into Gaza City. What's the latest on that offensive?

[Richard Engel]

Obviously, the war in Gaza has been going on since the October 7th massacre and it has moved around. There's been military campaigns against Rafah, which is a city in the south, or Khan Younis, which is slightly north of Rafah, but it's also in southern Gaza. The campaign right now is focusing on Gaza City. And Gaza City is one of the only cities where there are still tall buildings left standing. It has the biggest population, has estimated a million people in it. And Israel is threatening right now to go in, clear Gaza City, go street, street, house to house in a campaign that would undoubtedly be enormously destructive, cost many Palestinian lives and potentially many Israeli soldiers as well. Because fighting house to house in a built up area is not easy. Well, I think you can say that that campaign against Gaza City is now underway. These campaigns don't start on and off like a light switch. Think of it more like a dimmer. And the dimmer is now starting to be turned. The dial is turned because evacuation orders were given over the weekend for Palestinians to leave. They've been told which route they should take to leave. And the Israelis are now starting to blow up some tall apartment blocks, primarily around the edges of Gaza City. So, yeah, it's not a light switch, but the dimmer is on. The campaign is underway and it's intensifying.

[Morgan Chesky]

And amid the attacks on both sides, Richard, over the weekend, we heard from President Trump issuing this kind of last warning of sorts to Hamas saying that they need to accept this US Backed proposal to release the hostages from Gaza. I believe the President said that Israel has already endorsed this plan. On the spectrum of feasibility, where does this ceasefire land?

[Richard Engel]

It's possible. I mean, we've spoken to both Israeli officials and Hamas officials and Hamas officials that we've spoken to say they're willing to talk, they're open to a deal. They've said in the past they would do a deal. And they've laid out their conditions, and Israel has laid out its conditions. They don't exactly overlap. The main dispute is what comes next, who controls Gaza, who rebuilds it, and what happens to the Palestinian people. But the issue of the hostages and the issue of end of Hamas rule, those two seem to be more resolvable and closer than they have been before.

[Morgan Chesky]

Richard Engel on the ground for us today in Jerusalem. Richard, we thank you.

[Richard Engel]

Good to be with you, Morgan.

[Morgan Chesky]

All right, team, time now for some headlines. The Supreme Court has handed a win to the Trump administration that clears the way for immigration agents to restart roving patrols across the entire Los Angeles area. This is a 6:3 decision where the justices lifted a federal court order that had reined in the practice ruling that agents can once again stop people based on the quote, unquote, totality of circumstances standard. The lower court had pointed to what it called a mountain of evidence of arrests that were rooted in race, ethnicity or language. As for what's next, well, this lawsuit will now continue to unfold in California, where it was filed by immigrant advocacy groups. Speaking of immigration, US Officials are now working with South Korea following last week's big immigration raid at a construction site for a Hyundai LG battery plant. South Korea is working with US Officials to try and arrange the voluntary return of hundreds of its citizens who were detained. The raids here were tied to an investigation into alleged illegal employment practices. And in turn, there has been a shade of diplomatic tension between these two typical allies. Seoul is pushing for the workers to leave on a charter flight, a way to avoid formal deportation that could hurt their chances of coming back to the United States. President Trump, meanwhile, brushed off any concerns telling reporters the raid has not damaged relations and insisting ICE was doing the right thing. A federal appeals court has upheld the $83.3 million defamation judgment against Donald Trump in the case that was brought by writer E. Jean Carroll. Now, you'll remember Carroll's the woman who accused Mr. Trump of sexually assaulting her in a Manhattan department store dressing room back in the mid-1990s. When she went public with that allegation years later, Trump repeatedly denied it, called her a liar, and even mocked her story, which prompted her defamation lawsuit. The 2nd U.S. circuit Court of Appeals has now rejected Trump's arguments, which includes his claim of presidential immunity, leaving the jury's January 2024 verdict intact. A little context. This is now the second time Carroll's prevailed against him after winning a separate $5 million judgment in another case where Mr. Trump was held liable. In a statement, Carroll's attorney said that they look forward to the appeals process ending so that justice can be finalized. Okay, they don't call him the shock jock for nothing. In a prank that grabbed headlines and honestly even fooled some news outlets, Howard Stern teamed up with fellow SiriusXM host Andy Cohen, and they staged his own exit from the network.

[Richard Engel]

There's been a lot of talk about what's going to happen with Howard. Is he fired? I don't know how much I'm allowed to say, except that he's not here and I am.

[Morgan Chesky]

Cohen opened the show stoking rumors he was taking over amid weeks of chatter about Stern's contract. And about 15 minutes later, Stern reappeared to reveal, yes, it was all a big hoax and to assure listeners that he is not leaving. What pisses me off is now I can't leave. I was, I've been thinking about retiring. Now I can't, because then they'll say I got pushed out. But I want to make clear that true Stern fans, including our own supervising producer, were not fooled even for a single second. Okay, finally, before we let you go, football season is well underway. And with it, of course, you have all the ups and downs of being a die hard fan. But if you're catching a game in specifically Seattle, well, you might want to think twice if you're feeling a little animosity towards the opposing team. Here's why. The Seattle Seahawks have announced that plainclothes police officers, that's right, spd will start blending into the crowd at games. But get this, wearing the jerseys of the opposing team, the Seahawks say that this initiative is to detect fans engaging inappropriate behavior. Fair enough. But what is football without a little healthy heckling. And where exactly is the line on that? I guess we'll find out soon enough. And to be honest, if you are one of those cops getting paid to watch football while on duty, well, working on a Sunday doesn't sound half bad. Speaking of which, I am out of here to watch tonight's game. And that's going to do it for us. And here's the scoop from NBC News signing off. I'm Morgan Chesky. See you next time.

[Dan Snow]

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