Best Way To Honor Kyle Busch Is By Racing

Summary

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Herm & Schrader Podcast Episode Summary

Episode Title: Best Way To Honor Kyle Busch Is By Racing
Date: May 27, 2026
Hosts: Kenny Wallace ("Herm") & Ken Schrader
Guest Analyst: Deets
Theme: A candid, emotional, and story-filled episode reflecting on the sudden passing of Kyle Busch and a breakdown of a historic Memorial Day weekend of racing, including the Coke 600 and the Indianapolis 500.

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Episode Overview

This episode is marked by the motorsports world reeling from the tragic, shocking loss of NASCAR champion Kyle Busch. Herm, Schrader, and Deets navigate the emotional toll on the community, recount the Busch family's resilience, and discuss how the best way to honor Kyle is to keep racing hard. The crew also recaps the dramatic Coke 600, a rain-soaked, action-packed race weekend, the thrilling Indy 500, and offers classic stories, analysis, and humor that define their show.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

The Shock and Grief over Kyle Busch’s Passing

• Complete Shock: The sudden nature of Busch’s death at 41 due to sepsis left the entire community reeling.

  "Just utter shock... forget everything about the race and that doesn't make any difference. It's just 41 years old, sudden two children and it's huge."
  — Ken Schrader [10:05]

• Community Support: The Busch family’s stoicism at the 600 pre-race ceremonies was embraced as a message of unity and resilience.

  “When Samantha Bush and Kurt and the complete family got out there, it kind of made everybody feel okay. It's okay that we're here for the Coke 600.”
  — Herm [11:08]

• Life Goes On, but the Loss is Immeasurable: Hosts reflect on how the next generation is stepping forward, as seen when Owen Larson embraced Braxton Busch.

  “Just makes you think how fragile this… whole life thing is… There'll be another whole new group and those guys will have a connection to each other.”
  — Ken Schrader [14:09]

• Kyle Busch's Legacy: Not only a champion on track but also a media-savvy ambassador; he and Samantha did more for the sport than most realized.

  "He did a lot of media. Two time champion, 234 wins. He did a lot."
  — Herm [68:42]

Rain, Racing, and Unpredictable Weather

• Weekend Chaos: Schrader recounts his own rainouts and abrupt schedule changes; race officials at multiple tracks had to constantly adapt.

  "You don't see those [weather problems] coming. Fortunately, they knew what they could potentially be up against, and they had a plan."
  — Ken Schrader [20:38]

• Staff’s Decisions: Not all fans or drivers were happy with how NASCAR managed the rain-shortened races, but the crew defends officials amid tough calls.

  “You’re just dealt a hand that’s hard to overcome sometimes... Sometimes you got to do what you got to do. I mean, that doesn't make it right, but… right or wrong, it's over.”
  — Ken Schrader [36:51]

• Driver Resilience: Emphasizing that drivers and crews handled the adversity and still produced incredible competition.

  “Watching that race, it looks like a 30-lap or somewhere on a Saturday night. They're running their butts off the whole race. I mean, yes. So competitive.”
  — Ken Schrader [21:48]

Coke 600: Competitive Racing and Emotional Victory

• Packed House: A massive crowd at Charlotte reminded everyone of racing’s draw, even with thousands of seats long removed.

  “There was a sea of people…as far as the eye can see.”
  — Herm [06:13]

• Daniel Suarez’s Win: Strategic two-tire gamble by Suarez withstood repeated challenges; his emotional reaction resonated with the crew.

  “They had a couple chances to pass him, and they couldn't do it. He was the fastest car right then.”
  — Ken Schrader [24:13]

  “[Suarez] knows he was let go last year...he comes back, he wins. Am I wrong thinking that this victory was emotional for him for so many reasons?”
  — Herm [24:51]

  "[This] was the Kyle Busch factor, too... Daniel was a guy that Kyle took a lot of time with... These guys are going through something that they've never gone through before."
  — Deets [25:44]

• Physical Toll: The Cup cars are harder than ever on drivers’ bodies due to bouncing and vibration, especially at Charlotte.

  “Them guys are putting their bodies through a ton… bouncing back and forth for five straight hours. Yeah. Yeah. It'll definitely make you want to drink afterwards.”
  — Ken Schrader [29:04]

Short Track and Grassroots Racing

• i55 Track Action: Despite the rain, modified fields at Schrader’s own track were robust.

  “They knocked it out of the ballpark. 140 cars. Yeah, I don't think there's anything negative you can say about that.”
  — Herm [04:27]

The Rest of the Memorial Day Weekend: Truck, O’Reilly, & Indy 500

Truck & O’Reilly Races

• Condensed Format: NASCAR shortened both for weather, leading to chaos, especially in the O’Reilly race where catastrophic crashes happened under foggy conditions.

  “I didn’t like anything about how they did the O’Reilly race because they literally ran it just to get it in... it was not safe.”
  — Deets [34:18/36:01]

  “That's plenty. That's a long ass time. You know, that's no problem.”
  — Ken Schrader, defending Truck Race duration [32:35]

Indianapolis 500

• Possibly the Greatest Indy 500: Unbelievable last lap pass, record 71 lead changes, and a nail-biting one-football field finish by Felix Rosenquist.

  “That run that Rosenquist got him, like, man, he's... going to come up about a half car length short and everything went just perfect... you couldn't take your eyes off.”
  — Deets [46:33]

• TV Coverage: Noted for stellar commentary and dramatics; Fox's move from NASCAR to IndyCar coverage provided a fresh perspective.

• Legacy: Indy 500 still "the greatest race in the world," per Schrader and crew—its legacy and cultural cachet outsizing even the Daytona 500 long-term.

  “If anybody wants to say that, you know, 600, you know, as big as the 500, well, they're just kidding themselves because it's not. Was never going to be because one started in 1911…”
  — Ken Schrader [49:27]

• Plans for the Future: The Indianapolis Motor Speedway announced plans to turn its vast grounds into an entertainment district, enhancing year-round business.

Memorial Day—The Spirit and the Warriors

• Perspective: Deets connects racing’s danger and courage to the WWII experience of old racers like Smokey Yunick and Bud Moore, giving meaning to Memorial Day.

  “When we came back from World War II...there was an adrenaline rush for us that followed in war. And there was nothing outside of racing that could feel that energy rush.”
  — Deets [60:49]

• Appreciation for the Troops: The hosts repeatedly acknowledge the military and the tradition racing shares with honoring service.

Kyle Busch’s Lasting Impact

• National Outpouring: Major League Baseball, global sports media, and even the White House paid tribute.

• Racing Lineage: Busch brought up countless drivers, crew chiefs, and mechanics whose legacies now span the sport.

  "He left a lineage – you want to talk about a record that'll never be broken? 234 wins. 100 O'Reilly wins, my God.”
  — Herm & Deets [69:02–70:06]

• Policy Change?: NASCAR leadership considering allowing Cup drivers 40+ to run unlimited races in lower series—a rule Kyle championed.

  “Steve O’Donnell says they're seriously thinking about once you become 40 years old, have at it, boys. Run whatever you want to run.”
  — Herm [71:45] “I think they ought to let them run whatever they want anyway, no matter how old they are. But… that’d be neat if they do.”
  — Ken Schrader [71:55]

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Memorable Quotes & Moments

• On racing through adversity:

  “In the heat of the battle, things are going to happen. We got to overcome.”
  — Herm [38:58]

• On Daniel Suarez’s resilience:

  "I think when you see how Lane Riggs, when he got out of the truck was...these guys are going through something that they've never gone through before. And Daniel, I think, has always felt like he's had to prove that I belong being here."
  — Deets [25:44]

• On the sheer spectacle at Charlotte:

  “There was a sea of people…as far as the eye can see.”
  — Herm [06:13]

• Perspective on drivers’ pain tolerance:

  “Them guys are putting their bodies through a ton for…bouncing back and forth for five straight hours.”
  — Ken Schrader [29:04]

• Classic humor, sign-off junky joke:

  Q: What do you call a magic dog?
  A: "A labracadabra door."
  — Deets [74:08]

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Noteworthy Timestamps

• Kyle Busch’s passing addressed: [07:31] – [14:41]
• Busch family at Coke 600 pre-race: [10:41] – [13:12]
• Reflections on next generation in racing: [13:12] – [14:35]
• Physical toll of racing at Charlotte: [28:51] – [29:04]
• Coke 600 race analysis (Suarez, strategies): [23:24] – [27:52]
• Truck and O’Reilly race weather chaos: [31:05], [33:14] – [37:40]
• Indianapolis 500 review: [41:41] – [55:19]
• Indy Speeday’s entertainment district announcement: [56:04] – [59:13]
• Memorial Day, racing heroes recollection: [59:16] – [62:56]
• Kyle Busch’s legacy & global tribute: [64:48] – [71:45]
• NASCAR policy on over-40 drivers: [71:45] – [72:07]
• Show Me 100 recap (Bobby Pierce): [72:07] – [73:38]
• Junky joke segment: [73:47] – [74:58]

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Tone & Takeaway

The episode swings from poignant and heartfelt to unfiltered and irreverent—true to Herm & Schrader style. Their unvarnished conversation reveals a racing community grappling with loss, honoring a champion by doing what they do best: racing. Laced throughout is their signature humor, storytelling, and devotion to honoring both past and present, on and off the track.

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Transcript

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[Herman Schrader]

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[Child]

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[Deets (Racing Analyst)]

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[Kenny Schrader]

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[Deets (Racing Analyst)]

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[Kenny Schrader]

You a Drinker in the show. I mean.

[Herman Schrader]

Yeah, you are. How in the world did we agree to do a podcast?

[Kenny Schrader]

I like spending time with you.

[Herman Schrader]

That makes me happy.

[Kenny Schrader]

Well, it's all about making you happy.

[Herman Schrader]

We're always honest.

[Kenny Schrader]

We don't know that we're not in trouble already, you know, and sometimes truthful. What makes you think you're not a little different?

[Herman Schrader]

You're weird.

[Kenny Schrader]

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Herman Schrader.

[Kenny Schrader]

Today it seems like it's supposed to be everybody's supposed to be out racing today. Doesn't seem right that all them races were yesterday. And, you know, it used to be our Memorial Day. Did you remember that?

[Herman Schrader]

I think, yes. I. I think. I think times are changing. You know, it's one of those deals, Kenny, where, you know, we talked about this over the last couple months. They asked the 102 year old lady, they said, what's different nowadays? And she said, everything. Everything's different.

[Kenny Schrader]

That's the right answer.

[Herman Schrader]

Well, you can tell I'm in Myrtle Beach. We left the Coke 600 yesterday and came down here to Myrtle Beach. We got some dear friends, Brenda and Glenn Hayes, that ran the Kenny Wallace fan club for years. We haven't seen him in probably five years. So we're down here. We'll be back home Thursday. So, Kenny, what you've been up to?

[Kenny Schrader]

Nothing. Got rained out a bunch last week. Went up to Indianapolis, did a thing in a memorabilia show. Thursday got rained out. Friday got canceled. Saturday got canceled up in Michigan. So we hightailed back to Peevley and the boys came over the bob and bags and the miners came over and threw the ump car on the ramp truck and met us down there. And we run down there, they had 33 mods Saturday night.

[Herman Schrader]

Boy, I tell you one thing, they definitely showed up at i55. Your sponsor, Federated Auto Parts Raceway. They knocked it out of the ballpark. 140 cars. Yeah, I don't think there's anything negative you can say about that, can you, Kenny? Yeah.

[Kenny Schrader]

You had to run eight classes to do it, you know, I mean, the modified count was. Was huge. Still 33 and 39 for the B mods, but 8 classes makes for a little long night.

[Herman Schrader]

Well, I'm going to brag on you a little bit. As far as I can tell, you finished first, second and fourth on the week that was. Is that right?

[Kenny Schrader]

Yeah, we had third in there also, but.

[Herman Schrader]

Oh, damn. He ran four times, huh?

[Kenny Schrader]

Yeah, but guess what? That was last week. We gotta worry about this week now.

[Herman Schrader]

All right, everybody? What did I do. I think everybody knows what I did. I was down in Charlotte helping dirty mo media out. We did door bumper clear. We. We did Herman Schrader. Of course we couldn't get Kenny on last week, but here we are. It's a, It's a complete do over. Then, you know, we were at the Charlotte Motor Speedway for trackside Live. And I gotta tell you guys, one of the biggest crowds we've had in trackside Live history. Now here we go again with what seats they had. We all know that they got rid of 100,000 seats, but with the seats they had, there was a sea of people. And Kenny, what is a sea of people as far as the eye can see? How's that?

[Kenny Schrader]

It looked great on tv. It looked great.

[Herman Schrader]

Yes. Yeah. And that's what matters. So everything was really good. Our show, Trackside live was awesome. Deets. There you are, buddy. What you do.

[Deets (Racing Analyst)]

Like I said last week, I watched a lot of racing and thought I was going to watch a lot of rain. And I ended up announcing a race at Florence Saturday afternoon. But I didn't think, I didn't think they'd be able to get the Charlotte race in for two weeks. The way that the forecast look and the fact that they got all three races in which, you know, the O'Reilly and the truck series, you know, there are some people that's got some issues with kind of how those were handled and I think that's justified, but just, just enjoyed. I'll tell you, the 600 was as good as any 600 I've seen in forever from a competition standpoint. And the Indy 500 was just unbelievable. I mean, it was just a great day of racing yesterday.

[Herman Schrader]

Okay, let's get right at it, guys. All right, Kenny Schrader. It says in my notes right here, the 41st year of Coca Cola sponsoring the Coke 600. Kim and I were listening to the pre race on radio. They had the Coca Cola executives in there and the Coca Cola executive said, this is our 41st year sponsoring the Coke 600. My gosh. We're going to talk about this for a little bit, but let's just start like this, everybody. If we don't talk about this, it's just not right. So we lost Kyle Busch and I'm going to do the hard stuff right here myself. Kyle Busch basically had double pneumonia. Means all his lungs were really shattered. It turned into sepsis. Sepsis is complicated and even if you find it, you have a 50, 50 chance of surviving. It was a complete shock to the Community. It threw everybody in turmoil. Mixed, mixed emotions. The governor, the governors ordered the flags at half mast. Kim and I left North Carolina, we came into South Carolina, the flags were at half mast. So Kenny Schrader, this caught me off guard completely. Just your thoughts on the passing of Kyle Busch since we haven't talked about since then.

[Kenny Schrader]

I mean just utter shock. You know, I, I never knew why he had asked for a medical attention after Watkins Glenn and what was the next race they went to?

[Deets (Racing Analyst)]

Dover. The All Star race?

[Kenny Schrader]

No, the All Star Race. And then the Hairy had, you know, was going to miss the race and well, something happened. Didn't think much of it. And then that was Thursday afternoon and I was at that memorabilia show signing stuff with Johnny Rutherford and Bentley Warren and came out, walked into the show and that was, it just was going around the show and was just total disbelief,

[Podcast Co-host (possibly Tiffany)]

man.

[Kenny Schrader]

Just, you know, forget everything about the race and that doesn't make any difference. It's just 41 years old, sudden two children and it's huge. You know, Samantha was very. I really and was. Made me so happy. Not happy, nothing happy. But made me feel so good to see Samantha at the track when they did that because that took a tremendous amount on her part. But I mean just, just shocked.

[Herman Schrader]

So Dietz, this is to you. When we, when we witnessed before the Coke 600 pre race activities, to everybody's shock, I mean time stood still when we watched the complete Bush family get out of both of those Chevrolet Suburbans, Denali's, whatever they were. Were you as shocked as I was to see how strong they were to. It was kind of a message. I'll put it this way. When Samantha Bush and Kurt and the complete family got out there, it kind of made everybody feel okay. It's okay that we're here for the coach 600.

[Deets (Racing Analyst)]

Yeah, I totally agree. And you know, I texted you and when we were, you know, kind of thinking about how to approach the show today and everything and, and I said, you know, it's kind of a shock but knowing the Bush family, it really wasn't when you kind of got to thinking about it and stuff. And I think it caught everybody even down there on pit lane, you could tell when, when Samantha and Braxton came out that like the wives just huddled around them and you could look at their faces. I don't think anybody knew or expected that they were going to come. But I do think that is exactly what you said. It's, it said that, you know, it's okay that you, you guys are here you know, life has got to go on. And you know, Mike Hilton is, is what we needed when Dale Earnhardt died. And I'm going to tell you, Steve o', Donnell, that was his moment yesterday. And everything he did this weekend and everything he said was perfect. It was perfect. And telling Brixton that everybody here is behind him is exactly right. You know, my sons are 15 and 12, and I've thought a lot about them last couple of days and thought a lot about Brixton and, and I've been very concerned for Brixton. But Brixton's going to be all right. He's going to have a lot of folks to get behind him and help him and there's things that, that he'll have to feel and deal with, you know, the rest of his life, but he's always going to have that support that he needs behind him to do whatever he wants to do.

[Herman Schrader]

Yeah, Kenny, when I look at you, I think of my brother Rusty. I think of Earnhardt, I think of Sterling, Marlon. There's, there's that group. And as we know, time marches on. When I saw Owen Larson, the young kid, you could tell he hesitated and, and then he walked out to hug Braxton Bush. You know, we have these sections in life. I thought, oh my God, there's, there's, there will be that generation where it will be Brexton Bush and Owen Larson, Kyle Larson's son. It's hard to imagine, but time marches on. Did you see that when Owen Larson hesitated, then finally went over during Steve o' Donnell's talk and hugged Brexit in our next generation.

[Kenny Schrader]

Yeah, yeah. It's just the whole thing just gave me chills and just, just makes you think how fragile this, this whole life thing is. Yeah, that's one thing I've never struggled with is the, you know, you have your time and it, it goes away. So that's just the way it works. So, yeah, there'll be another whole new group and those guys will have a connection to each other.

[Herman Schrader]

So we will end like this. Guys. I did pull up some information and everybody has approved it. So. Kyle Busch passed away of Sepsis is a life threatening medical emergency. It happens when the body has extreme overactive response to an infection, causing the immune system to damage its own tissues and organs. Why is sepsis dangerous? Normally, your immune system releases chemicals to fight off pathogens like bacteria, viruses or fungi. This is very important. The next one. With sepsis, this response goes into overdrive. The resulting chain reaction causes widespread inflammation, forms microscopic blood clots and makes vessels leak.

[Podcast Co-host (possibly Tiffany)]

Bring the energy, wake up.

[Herman Schrader]

I can tell that through all these

[Kenny Schrader]

stories, through all your, you know, your world championship. I know that in your head you've

[Herman Schrader]

always said, I'm going to be a podcaster one day.

[Jerome (Cowboy/Rodeo Guest)]

You know, I hope that at the end day the of that it'll bring somebody that hasn't really been around this life that we live, and it brings them to a whole new world and somebody will say, dang, maybe them cowboys ain't so bad after all.

[Podcast Co-host (possibly Tiffany)]

I think if you can bring some smiles. I love to hear Jerome's stories and just how he carries himself. So I'm all about if people can get a grin out of it, if they can smile a little bit.

[Herman Schrader]

What's it gonna be like, Jerome, to

[Jerome (Cowboy/Rodeo Guest)]

have Tiffany as a co host to a podcast? Whoa, man.

[Podcast Co-host (possibly Tiffany)]

This gift of gab I have, maybe it'll come in a little handy on this deal.

[Jerome (Cowboy/Rodeo Guest)]

If I keep Tiffany quiet every now and then so she'll let me talk, we'll be in good shape.

[Podcast Co-host (possibly Tiffany)]

The only bad thing is I'm going to have to hear your stories that I've heard a hundred million times. I'm going to have to hear them another time.

[Jerome (Cowboy/Rodeo Guest)]

And they just get better every time.

[Podcast Co-host (possibly Tiffany)]

Yeah, they do get a little more added into them every time.

[Jerome (Cowboy/Rodeo Guest)]

I don't know why she puts up with me and why she. I don't even know living this life that we go through, but she does and she's. She's awesome.

[Kenny Schrader]

It's March 14, 1998, from when you open the gate to when you get hit. What do you remember from that?

[Jerome (Cowboy/Rodeo Guest)]

The bull I had that night was knocking Mount John, and I'd been on him before, and he had hit me in the face in Vegas one time. So I knew that I had to really stay over the front end and try not to let him hit me in the face. As it worked that night, he got me rocked back and hit me in the face and knocked me out. When he did, I dove in the ground, broke my neck. Went from being at the top of my game to the worst part of my life, you know, all happened within a gate opening out of bull riding.

[Podcast Co-host (possibly Tiffany)]

I was mad at God because I was like, did you do this to Jerome? He's a good guy. You needed him on your team out here.

[Jerome (Cowboy/Rodeo Guest)]

We were supposed to be getting married in May. Right after I got hurt, I was at the hospital and I told Tiff, I said, I don't think this is going to work. You need to. We need to regroup this is not the trail you need to be going down. And if she would have left that day, I wouldn't have blamed her. You know what I mean? And I never would have said a bad word about her.

[Podcast Co-host (possibly Tiffany)]

I never gave thought about leaving. That wasn't an option because I still had Jerome.

[Jerome (Cowboy/Rodeo Guest)]

I couldn't talk her into it, so I was kind of glad she hung around. I'll be honest, I lived through it and it just made me tougher and I was able to make a pretty good living at the sport. It's been good to me when I look around and see everything that's here today. It all comes from the love of the sport. I mean, everything I wanted to do had to do with being a cowboy.

[Podcast Co-host (possibly Tiffany)]

What is going on with the birds over there?

[Jerome (Cowboy/Rodeo Guest)]

You just messed this whole shot. Keep.

[Podcast Co-host (possibly Tiffany)]

I'm gonna redo it, but I could the birds messed the whole shot up, not me. I thought we was getting ready to get attacked.

[Jerome (Cowboy/Rodeo Guest)]

You're like that dog.

[Podcast Co-host (possibly Tiffany)]

I thought the birds was coming after us. There was so many of them.

[Jerome (Cowboy/Rodeo Guest)]

Just stay focused. It's going to really bring a new light to what this cowboy life's really about.

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[Herman Schrader]

So we talked about it. The coach 600 Kenny my gosh. The Complete Racing the Midwest. As you said, you were rained out everywhere and you made audibles just speaking to NASCAR. They had to call an audible for the O'Reilly race. They had to call an audible for the truck race. And in the end they get within 30 laps. I mean, even the Indianapolis 500 got a little rain right through the middle. But you owned a racetrack for 30 years just speak to the difficulties that NASCAR had getting that whole damn weekend in.

[Kenny Schrader]

Well, you know, the, the difficulties are they're just given to you. You know, you don't see those coming. Fortunately, they, they knew what they could potentially be up against and, and they had a plan. Now, you're not going to make everybody happy the way everything's handled all the time, but they did a phenomenal job. You know, you can only, you can only run these things some certain times of the day. I mean, you run day or night, but you got three days to get this stuff in. And they, they got it all in like 30 laps. And you know, we've had that situation a lot of times before. You've, it's already whatever time of the night and now it's really rain. So we're talking about a complete track grind. So I'm sorry, boys, it's. It's over now. And yeah, it just, they did, they did a fantastic job. They got everything in. They overcome the weather, so that's good. And the drivers, the drivers, the teams, everybody. Oh my gosh, watching that race, it looks like a 30 lap or somewhere on a Saturday night. They're running their butts off the whole race. I mean, yes. So competitive.

[Herman Schrader]

I know that I'm hyper and I know I send things in the overdrive, but I said, there's no question in my mind, the All Star racing needs to be backing, you know, Charlotte Motor Speedway. I told my wife, I said, I have not watched a race, a 600 mile race, a 4, 500 mile race like you just said. I'm just echoing what you said. They went at it lap after lap, and I, I feel like I'm going to ask you this. You know, listening to the broadcast, it felt like these guys felt like it was going to rain at any lap. But the racetrack took the lines. The bottom was there, the top was there, the middle was there. This next gen car, I think that is the, I think that's the blueprint. They really run good on these mile and a half.

[Kenny Schrader]

Yeah, I don't think, I don't think all them guys were real worried about rain at the start of that race. And they were driving like that at the start of that race also. So it just, I tell people all the time that whenever they, we talk and they say, oh, I like the good old days. And I said, well, let me tell you what, if you're not watching now, you're missing the best NASCAR cup racing that we've ever had.

[Herman Schrader]

Yes, I could, I couldn't have Said it any better? Okay. All right, everybody, let's get started on this race. Daniel Suarez has the same, you know, as Kenny Schrader would say, here we go. It's Showtime. You know, 45 laps to go. I saw it on the counter. 45 laps to go. The whole field comes down road, and Daniel takes two tires. Everybody else takes four tires, two restarts, and they still can't pass him. Kenny, in my opinion, Daniel Suarez, yes, he did shock the racing world, but he is the rifle winner for strategy, and they couldn't pass him. What's your thoughts?

[Kenny Schrader]

I just exactly agree with you because, you know, we've. We've had races where somebody wanted. With the rain, rain shortened, and everybody looks at it, it's like, oh, man, it was. That wasn't really right. Well, it was because the race only went that distance, and he was. Whoever that was, was leading at the end of that race. But yesterday's race being different, they went ahead, rolled the dice, got in front of them. Then they had a couple chances to pass him, and they couldn't do it. He was the fastest car right then.

[Herman Schrader]

Dietz, I want to throw this one action. When Daniel Suarez started, you know, getting very emotional, I thought, I know what this is about, and leave it up to me. I feel like, you know, he knows he was let go last year. He's made plenty statements. He comes back, he wins. Am I wrong thinking that this victory was emotional for him for so many reasons? Maybe he felt like, you know, he was thrown away for counter zilich, and here he shows them, you know, a personal win. Am I reading it wrong? What were your thoughts when Daniel got so emotional after the race was called?

[Deets (Racing Analyst)]

I think you're exactly right.

[Kenny Schrader]

And

[Deets (Racing Analyst)]

just to touch back, because I do think it matters and answers this question. Um, the Kyle Busch factor, too, you know, because Daniel was a guy that Kyle took a lot of time with, that Daniel raced against when he won.

[Herman Schrader]

Every teammates. Joe Gibbs, you're right.

[Deets (Racing Analyst)]

Yeah. Yeah. And, you know, I told you before the show, and I do want to get this in. What happened with Kyle, to me, is more reminiscent of. Of what happened with Davey Allison and Alan Kulwicki from a. From a shock standpoint, and like I told you before, to show this generation of drivers has not had to experience anything like this. Unfortunately, you guys experienced it a lot for various reasons. And I think when you see how Lane Riggs, when he got out of the truck was. I just. These. These guys are going through something that they've never gone through before. And Daniel, I think is always kind of felt like he's had to prove that I belong being here. And he did it winning the Xfinity series championship. He did it getting that over win at Atlanta and he did it again last night.

[Herman Schrader]

Yeah, I agree with that. Okay.

[Kenny Schrader]

Didn't Daniel wins and Alma wants to.

[Deets (Racing Analyst)]

Yeah. And I, you know, I think a lot that's what I'm saying is, is, you know, I think with some of these foreign born drivers, Montoya, Van Gisbergen, you know, it's almost like, oh well, you know, it's a, it's a road course, let's see if they can win on an oval. And I think it's coming from Van Gisbergen and, and it, it's happened for Suarez and I think that is, is again just another one of the reasons that these guys are, you know, it says to them I belong to be here in an oval, predominant series.

[Herman Schrader]

Yeah, I agree. Kenny. I have this in my notes and I'm asking this question because on Trackside Live, Brad Keselowski talked about it. I said, Brad, when Kenny Schrader and myself and the Cal Petty charity ride when we rode into the Charlotte Motor Speedway, one thing that drew my attention when the motorcycles, when we were going around the racetrack was Charlotte is got a lot of cracks with a lot of tar. And he said that because they're running on the bump stops, they going into three. It's a violent rough. They showed some in car cameras and those drivers heads were banging back and forth. I thought, man, that's got to be a headache. You know, in our day we, we ran on springs, you know, take some of that blow. They're saying, they're saying that it's harder on the body now, the cars are stuck, but they're, they're bouncing around a lot. Did you see any of that? Or, or when we did come in from the Cal Petty cherry ride, did you notice that track? And that is a big deal.

[Kenny Schrader]

They're saying their place is rough, place is rough. It's got all, yeah, that's it. It's got all that. Those cracks filled up with whatever it is they put in there. Yeah, I watch those guys and you know, to the person that doesn't, you know, to someone that hasn't raced or really realized what they're talking about. They showed it on TV about Chase Elliott and I think it's Kyle Larson's and their heads are moving, you know, this much and it doesn't look like a big deal, but when I looked at him like, and knowing, you know what it's like. It's like, wow. Them guys are putting their bodies through a ton for, you know, it doesn't look like much, but when you hit that thing, bouncing back and forth for five straight hours. Yeah. Yeah. It'll definitely make you want to drink afterwards.

[Herman Schrader]

If you can see it, you can

[Kenny Schrader]

see where it is.

[Herman Schrader]

Yeah. All right, Everybody, we did it. 23 minutes. And now we're going to move on. There's a lot more to talk about. I'm honored to make history and to make my community proud.

[Kenny Schrader]

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[Herman Schrader]

So this, this kind of rolls in. Our next subject matter is the truck race, which ended up being the last race, but let's just go like that and then we'll go to the O'Reilly race. Both were served up like this. NASCAR said we're going to drop the green flag for this truck race at 10 o' clock and at 12 noon, you know, we're going by the seconds here at 12 o', clock. Straight up, we're going to throw the white flag. Now, Kenny, everybody knows the rules. I think they finally got green flag and an hour and 45 minutes. That's a lot of racing. But, boy, they wrecked their butts off. You know, Corey Day in Kyle Busch's truck, he gets tagged. Not his fault. Then they have another blow up. Cash.

[Kenny Schrader]

Luke. Luke,

[Herman Schrader]

Tommy Baldwin's son, he burst into flames. Some of the drivers. So here's where I'm going with this. Some of the drivers afterwards, they're like, they had an interview with somebody. They said they knew what we had going in. They should have never started the race. And like, guys, Cal Bush just died. We just lost somebody's life. We give you, hour and 45 minutes. These are tough circumstances. And I'm like, deal with it. We did. What is your thoughts for any complaining, Kenny, when they give you an hour and 45 minutes to race under tough circumstances.

[Kenny Schrader]

That's good. That's plenty. That's a long ass time. You know, that's no problem. I did not see the truck race or the xpendi race, but it lined up and know you're gonna run for an hour and 45 minutes. That's a long race. Long race.

[Herman Schrader]

All right everybody. So Lane Riggs is the winner and the truck race gets finished. And I agree with what you said, Kenny. It was a tough situation. All right, the O'Reilly race. This one had reminiscence. Kenny, did you see any of the O'Reilly race?

[Kenny Schrader]

No, I did not see the O'Reilly race.

[Herman Schrader]

Okay, I'm going to serve this one up to you. So they're, they're, they're getting this race in. It's 11 o' clock at night. This is something right out of the movies. The fog is rolling in, but the fog's got a little bit of rain in it. And I'm thinking, you know, and I'm seeing, people are saying it's hard to see here at the racetrack. The spotters could not see turn three. Well, they keep this thing. Green flag and a car goes into turn one, blows a motor. Okay, now this looked catastrophic. Like the good old days. They did not throw the caution. The leaders come flying down into turn one and it was a catastrophic blow up and five of the leaders go piling into the wall.

[Deets (Racing Analyst)]

Remedies reminded me of that Winston, whenever you got it.

[Herman Schrader]

Yeah, go ahead, Deets.

[Deets (Racing Analyst)]

Yeah, just. They hauled off in there and I don't know how many cars hit wall and, and

[Herman Schrader]

it took Justin Longer out of the race. He slammed hard.

[Deets (Racing Analyst)]

Yeah. And there's. Listen, if they, if they had a throwing checkered flag, Chastain probably wouldn't won that race because he hit the wall hard enough. You can say what you want to about truck race. I didn't like anything about how they did the O'Reilly race because they literally ran it just to get it in. And, and I even, and I don't usually tweet or Facebook, you know, my opinions about things when it comes to racing. Cause it usually gets me in trouble. But I was, I couldn't believe that they started that O'Reilly race because it was, you know, it was not too foggy that you couldn't start a race. But the way things were headed. And I had, I was driving in from Florence so I knew what it, what it was like. And I'm like this. They're never ever going to be able to get this race to halfway, unless they run about half of it under caution, and that's what they did. And I. Listen, I agree with you guys. I think they were in a bad spot. If you looked at the weather forecast again, I thought it was going to rain for the next week in Charlotte. I didn't know when they were going to ever get any of these races in. So, you know, they were kind of damned if you do and damned if you don't, but it's just a bad deal.

[Herman Schrader]

Yeah, it. I think, Boy, I tell you what, I could be way wrong, but I thought, I see. I'll start where they ran 33 green flag laps. Am I right?

[Deets (Racing Analyst)]

I don't. I don't know. But it was. It was a lot. And then the biggest thing was, was, you know, NASCAR's always pretty good about erring on the side of safety. That fog and running, even what they did under green was not. Was not safe. I mean, it. The spotters couldn't see, you know, when even you could barely tell what cars were going into the corner, you know, from where the spotters were. So I just didn't like anything about the Riley race. I was glad that Chastain wanted. Because I like Chastain, but I. I understand why people would be upset.

[Herman Schrader]

Can he clean it up for us, Help us make sense of it?

[Kenny Schrader]

I didn't see it, so. But it sounds like, you know, not everyone's gonna. You just dealt a hand that's hard to overcome sometimes. As far as with the weather, you know, I don't. I. I watched the Sunday race, the cup race. I didn't see the other ones. Sometimes you got to do what you got to do. I mean, that doesn't make it right, but it's still, you know, yes, Expandy cars could. Or O'Reilly's cars could have been there today or what, Whatever. I don't. I don't know. But they thought they had an opportunity to get it in, and right or wrong, it's over.

[Herman Schrader]

I couldn't have said it better. I agree with that.

[Deets (Racing Analyst)]

Hey, listen, there was one thing NASCAR did yesterday that I loved. Whenever they threw that caution for lightning, I was like, crap, we're going to sit here for another 30 minutes with. With no rain and just wait for it to start raining and whatever the deal was, if they got a meteorologist on site or whatever, and they were like, all right, it's going away and it's more than six miles away. I am so glad that I don't know I said it. Darlington one year and just, I was like, we're just sitting here waiting for it to rain because of lightning 30 miles down the road. But I was really glad that they, they did that last night and, you know, got a few more layups in

[Kenny Schrader]

underground because they're not going to make everybody happy and they're not always, you know, when they're not always going to make the right decision when you look back at it the next day. But, but, but in, in the line of battle, when they're right there and they got to make a decision,

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I

[Kenny Schrader]

think, I think they make, they make the best ones under the, under the pressure.

[Herman Schrader]

And guys, we will end this segment like this. David ift, my crew chief, we got into an argument at the old Nashville fairgrounds and I kind of said something to him. He kind of said something to me. And later on we set quick time. It was a bush race and about 10 minutes after that, he grabbed me by the neck. He says, buddy, in the heat of the battle, things are going to happen. We got to overcome. So, Kenny, when you sit in the heat of the battle, you got to make a decision and sometimes it's not pretty.

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[Herman Schrader]

how can we do this? As everybody knows, we tape it's Memorial Day where, you know, we want to, we want to thank our soldiers, everybody involved. But we got to do the show because Deets told us to. But we want to thank all our soldiers and Kenny and Dean. So I thought we'd put a little time, you know me, I'LL admit it, I guess I overdo everything but that Indianapolis 500. You know, the purists, your guys, Kenny, you know, we go back to the Bentonhausen days, the Vukovich days. You know, we all know that you're an open wheel guy, but I am hearing your guys say that that could have been the greatest Indianapolis 500. You know, I don't know why they say that. What is your thoughts?

[Kenny Schrader]

You know, you're talking earlier about NASCAR and the car, the cup car, whatever, whatever they call the one we have now. Next gen. Next gen. Well, Indy has the car also, and they all got the car. And when you look at that forward facing view and you see all 33 cars sneaking at you in line coming down the straightaway, you know, they're all that same speed because the car now, even though they have a couple different engines, just like we do, that car makes that racing good. Then we go back to, all right, the drivers are running them things so hard. The, the car, that one he hung on the outside, the lap before, you know, on the outside of a car run that whole lap, which just doesn't really happen there side by side. So he'd have the opportunity to win. Then let's go back to the association, something that doesn't happen very often in IndyCar racing. But we threw a red flag for cleanup with I think eight to go.

[Herman Schrader]

Good.

[Kenny Schrader]

So they, they throw that red flag so everybody still gets the race. And then they hustle that last one so it said, hey, it's only a lap that they're going to get, but they're going to get a lap and what a lap they got. So, I mean, the, the IndyCar series, you know, there it is. It's got stuff going for it too, man. It's, you know, different type of racing. You can't pronounce everybody's name all the time.

[Herman Schrader]

That's what I told my wife.

[Kenny Schrader]

It's not all the names you grew up with, not all the names you know, that you grew up with, but wow, it was phenomenal. And their, their TV pre race. It's unbelievable.

[Herman Schrader]

Dinks, I'm gonna, I'm gonna give you this one. I'm gonna put it on the tee and give you a little softball here. Closest Indy 500 in history. Indy 500 winner passes on the last football field. Maybe. Unbelievable pass. Looks like he was shot out like a cannon. Felix Rosenquist is your winner. Record lead changes at 71. The winning team is Meyer Shank Racing. And by the way, Helio, which is your wife, Ann Schrader, Kenny, she loves Helio from your SRX days, but he is a. He is a team owner. So now Helio is one. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Us racers tend to debull everybody. Maybe he don't got money in it, but they calling him an owner. No. So Helio wins this thing four times, rightfully, just straight up. He's a legend now. He's. I'm sure he's going to get a ring, but, Deets, I just told you everything. Closest Indy 500 in history by time, by margin. He passes just right at the record. Lead changes. Felix Rosenquist, they all love him. And the big joke on. I was listening to it on IndyCar Radio. He's a new father, so they said the new father needs milk. And of course, the winner drinks the milk. Just your thoughts on the Indianapolis 500.

[Deets (Racing Analyst)]

I thought it was outstanding. And I love everything about Indianapolis, the history of that race. And, you know, I'm sitting there watching it, and, And I was wanting Rosenquist or his teammate to win the race. And they're sitting there running side by side, you know, on that last lap, and I'm like, God, y' all are killing each other. And y' all are going to let this Penske car win the race because nobody will get in line and. And, you know, go after the guy.

[Herman Schrader]

By the way, let me interrupt you. That. That would have been Roger Penske's 21st or Indy 500 win or more, but. Yeah, go ahead.

[Deets (Racing Analyst)]

Well, he's owned it for a long time. He literally owns it now. Yeah, but that run that Rosenquist got him, like, man, he's. He's going to come up about a half car length short and, and everything went just perfect to get that. And, you know, you go back and you think about Gordon Johncock and Rick mears and Alan Jr. And Scott Goodyear and Marco Andretti and Sam Hornish and all of those finishes. What made this race different and what may make it the greatest is kind of like the 600 we were talking about. From front to back, lap one to lap 200, it was just. It was an unbelievable race. And it was a race that you couldn't take your eyes off. And just like Schrader talked about the pre race show, which I thought Amazon prime did an excellent job. I think they have got a heck of a crew working for them behind the scenes and on camera. But Will Buxton's call of that last lap, you know, I've announced plenty of races. I'd have been stumbling and talking all over myself and, and he called it perfect. And he said exactly what needed to be said and didn't make a mistake at all. They crossed the line and then they just lay out and just let people absorb it. And I thought that Fox did an excellent job and I think it was a great race.

[Herman Schrader]

Yeah. I do want to mention this, Kenny. It is wild, right? Because, you know, when we get too much of one network, people start. They tend to get tired of them. So the Fox network leaves nascar. Their last race was the all star race at Dover. So Fox goes and calls the Indy 500 with a complete different group of people. I don't know if you saw, but the guy making the call look like a horse racer.

[Jerome (Cowboy/Rodeo Guest)]

He.

[Herman Schrader]

He held the. The microphone in his hand. Did you see that?

[Kenny Schrader]

No, I didn't. I didn't notice that part. I'm not the teacher. I was watching.

[Herman Schrader]

All the other announcers had, you know, the ears. Ear sets on. But the man that made the call, the last football field, he held the microphone like they did back in the old days. And buddy, it was, it was a. It was a sight to behold. But I do want to draw the conclusion that. Listen, everyone, the Indy 500 was put on by the same people that have done all the NASCAR races this year. So it is the Indy 500. Kenny, let's end not in, but let's get to the end. Is the Indianapolis 500? Is it the greatest race in the world?

[Kenny Schrader]

Okay. I've never run the Indianapolis 500 and only been there one time. I woke up on Georgetown Road some mornings. We ran IRP and spend the night there. Well, no go. We'd stay there and then go run the sprint cart Sunday night, but obviously run 600 a lot. I have to believe it is. I mean, if anybody wants to. To say that, you know, 600, you know, as big as the 500, well, they're just kidding themselves because it's not. Was never going to be because one started in 1911 and the other one started in, I don't know what, 61 or something, maybe, you know, when was it? Yeah, it's got a hell of a hit. Okay. It's got a hell of a head start. And you're, you know, but we, we have obviously the biggest race in the world and one of the biggest, you know, on the same day, and that's pretty amazing. And we also had another driver attempt the double Catherine leg. Now, she got. She got wrecked

[Herman Schrader]

missing.

[Kenny Schrader]

Well, she got. She wrecked missing a wreck at Indianapolis and she didn't tighten the wheel that Fell off at Charlotte. And the fact that she, you know, I don't know about qualifying at Charlotte, but she qualified maybe 27th, I think, at Indy. That's. That's a hell of an accomplishment.

[Deets (Racing Analyst)]

You know, the thing about it, too, is that you gotta remember about the Indy 500 to put it into a little bit of perspective. You know, you take those four or five years out, you know, during World War II, but our country is celebrating its 250th anniversary. The first Indy 500 was 115 years ago. You know, it was almost half as old as our country, that race is. And I think, you know, my son asked me yesterday, said, is it the biggest race in the world? And I said, well, you know, for about 20 years there, from about 1997 on, maybe not even 20 years, but to about 2010 or 11, the Daytona 500 was probably bigger, but for the long haul. And now the Indy 500 is still the pinnacle, I think.

[Herman Schrader]

And I want to tell everybody that it was the man you're looking at, Kenny Schrader. Kenny, it was you that told me. I think just you were having fun one day with me, and I believe you said, was it Ray Haroun? Was he the first winner?

[Kenny Schrader]

Ray Harun? And you told me that people complained about. Everybody had a riding mechanic then, and. Well, I mean, they did. There were two cars.

[Deets (Racing Analyst)]

Yeah.

[Kenny Schrader]

And the ride mechanic kept an iron, what he could see from the. From the. His cockpit there beside the driver. He also looked around for cars approaching from from behind and stuff. And a bunch of people complained that Ray didn't have a riding mechanic and it would be dangerous. So Ray had a Marmon Wasp is what his car was. And he came up with the first rear view mirror. If you Google army water, Ray Haroun, and you'll see that little very aerodynamic mirror that he built in front of him and up high to. To satisfy the officials that it was safe for him to race.

[Herman Schrader]

Man, that is an awesome piece of history right there. Good job, Kenny.

[Deets (Racing Analyst)]

And I'll give you some more perspective. Race is so big when you have guys whose last names were Chevrolet and Olds that raced in this race. That says something for you.

[Herman Schrader]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. One thing, and we'll end on the Indy 500 like this. They ran the Formula One race up in Montreal, Canada, and it was a great race. And Kimmy Antonelli won. Lewis Hamilton is finally. They think Ferrari's looking good. Lewis finishes second, Max Verstappen third. And they. They showed Max Verstappen who finished Third got passed right at the end by Lewis Hamill. But Max Verstappen gets out of the car on Sunday after the Formula one race. And what does he ask right away, who won the Indianapolis 500? It was that comment that made me ask you that question, Kenny. You know, we're Formula one. They can be considered as the most engineering, most exciting race cars in the world. But when the Formula One four time champion says, who won the Indy 500? As soon as he gets out of the car, I thought that was really awesome.

[Kenny Schrader]

What happened to Monaco? Isn't Monaco Nate's at? I mean.

[Herman Schrader]

Oh, it's gone now, Kenny. It's literally gone.

[Deets (Racing Analyst)]

They've moved Monaco to, like, I think, the first week in June, and I. So there's been a lot of controversy about them running the Canadian Grand Prix the same day as the Indy 500. I will bet you money that that never happens again because this makes Formula one look so minuscule that I don't think that'll ever happen. It's one thing when it's in Monaco, when it's in North America, and nobody cares about it. I think that Formula one is not. They made a huge mistake. Schedule in this race against the Indy 500.

[Herman Schrader]

Yeah. Okay, we're coming to the end here, everyone. And I thought this one would be interesting because I felt that it fit the bill. Indianapolis Motor Speedway president Doug Bowles made a big announcement. Maybe not to us, but for the Indianapolis Motor Speedway. They said that within the next two years, Indianapolis Motor Speedway, the land that it sits on, is going to become an entertainment district. They said that there's too much property, the business model has got to be brought up to date, that the Indianapolis Motor Speedway grounds, it sits still too long, and it's got to bring some profit. So, Kenny, they got this. And deets, both of you, but Kenny, you first. So they show sketches that Roger Pinsky and the group up there are going to put in. I don't even know what I'm trying to say, but, like, you know, things to entertain people. They're talking, like, big stadiums and things like this. Did you see it? And if you didn't, what are your thoughts?

[Kenny Schrader]

No, I didn't see it. I hadn't heard about it. But what a surprise. That. What a shocker that Roger Penske and the Penske group are going to try to make something better yet.

[Herman Schrader]

Penske Entertainment.

[Kenny Schrader]

Yep. I mean, more. You go, you go, guys. They're gonna. If they're. They do a great job at everything.

[Herman Schrader]

Indeed. Let me throw you this one. It always amazes me when you go to one of these NASCAR tracks and you go, wow, this place seats 60,000 people. What do they do here? And you go, oh, they hold one or two races a year. I mean, these, these. I. I agree with Kenny. I. I believe some of these racetracks, the new business model, you. You. And we know they do smaller things. You know, they rent the racetrack out, but, yeah, there. There seems to be an opportunity there. What's your thoughts?

[Deets (Racing Analyst)]

Well, think about, you know, when they built the racetrack out there in Kansas. It was the racetrack and Cabela's, and that's all it was. And now you got a casino and they got the soccer stadium, and they got all this stuff that incorporates that land there around the racetrack and in Indianapolis. I only have been to any one time, but I know it's a little. It's a ways out of downtown. And if you incorporate that around the racetrack and then maybe what's in some of what's inside the racetrack. And I don't know how they plan on doing it, but I could sort of see where you would go from the museum on around, and you could put like a block of restaurants and clubs and stuff, I think, like amphitheaters,

[Herman Schrader]

you know, amphitheater, things like that, you know.

[Deets (Racing Analyst)]

Well, think about the dirt track there.

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When.

[Deets (Racing Analyst)]

When you look at the. The aerial Indy, and I know it's not a big racetrack, but the dirt track from Google Earth looks like a dot. I mean, that property is so big. You know, one other thing, and I want to throw this in there, because I know you had mentioned this about Memorial Day, and I just. I want to throw this out there. So through some of the different stuff, I've been able to work on, you know, I've been able to interview Bud Moore and. And. And we've had interviews with Smokey Eunuch in. In show. And, you know, Smokey, Bud Moore, he. He went in on D Day in Normandy. A lot of folks know that Smokey Unick, he was a pilot for. I think they called him the Flying Sharks and those. Those airplanes back then that had the, like, the shark face painted on either side of the nose. Raymond Parks, he. He fought in the Battle of the Bulge in World War II. Anyway, where I'm going with this is there was a question to Smokey Unic. I think it was in. The question was, you know, you guys were going out there and you had seatbelts that were ropes, you know, you wearing leather helmets. That's when the Netrunner.

[Herman Schrader]

Yeah.

[Deets (Racing Analyst)]

You didn't have any of that kind of stuff. And you knew if you got in a wreck, you know, there's a good chance you could get hurt, maimed, or killed. In the same with a lot of these guys that ran in the Indy 500, you know, in the 50s and 60s and 70s. And Smokey Unix said when. When we came back from World War II, you got to understand that. That we saw a bunch of people get killed, and we felt lucky that we were alive. But we were also looking. There was an adrenaline rush for us that Fulton in war. And there was nothing outside of racing that could feel that energy rush. And when you seen people get blown away standing right next to you, you don't really worry too much about driving a race car and what might happen to you. And it's just that kind of mentality that those guys had, because they could have just as easily had died on Normandy or in the Battle of the Bulge or got shot down in an airplane. There's millions of guys that could have been mechanics or race car drivers that passed away just in World War II alone. So I think it gives a little bit of perspective on Memorial Day. And this is just something I wanted to share about. You know what I think made those guys in particular so, so special.

[Herman Schrader]

What? Wow. I mean.

[Kenny Schrader]

Well, go ahead, throw in one thing. Let me add one thing to Dietz. They. They had the same. Those guys had the same stuff as we got today. They had the best stuff available.

[Herman Schrader]

Yeah, that's. That's a great way to put it. And I'll say this, it sure does making the strategy of two or four towers look minuscule. Said, I'm with you guys. God bless our troops, men and women and everybody involved.

[Deets (Racing Analyst)]

All right, guys, I got to give you this. I got to give you this, too. Cause Smokey unit needs to be in the NASCAR hall of Fame. And I know he never will be, and I know why he won't be, but that's a whole different story.

[Herman Schrader]

He.

[Deets (Racing Analyst)]

He told this story in one of the interviews that we had, and he. I think Bobby Myers had got killed at Darlington. This is in, like, 1957. Fawny Flock was in the wreck, and he got hurt real bad. And. And Smokey is driving down the racetrack there at Darlington. They get held up in traffic and, you know, some guys honking horn at him and complaining, and you cut me off and all this stuff. And Smokey said, he got out of the car and he grabbed the tire iron and he looked at the guy and he said, one of my friends is dead. The other one's in a hospital and he might die. Do you think it would make any difference to me if I used his tire iron right now and knocked your head off and the guy didn't say anything and Smokey got back in the car and drove off? And that's Smokey unit. We all have to be reminded to learn.

[Herman Schrader]

I can't top that story. That was a good one. That was a good one. All right.

[Kenny Schrader]

You remember seeing the video just a couple years ago of Kyle Busch leaving Martinsville in traffic, and then people besides got on all bush stuff, and he rolls his win. Samantha points it out or something. He rolls his window down. They like, freak out, and he signs everything for him.

[Herman Schrader]

That was fantastic. That was needed.

[Kenny Schrader]

That.

[Herman Schrader]

That went viral.

[Deets (Racing Analyst)]

I hate to keep going on, but I do need to ask you guys one question. So when. When Earnhardt passed away, you know, NASCAR is almost at its zenith. I think NASCAR Zenith was like 2005 or 6. So it's right there. Obviously, the sport is not where it was in 2005 or 6. Has it surprised you what impact on the outside world Kyle Busch's death has made? I mean, they're. They're doing memorial major league baseballs, do memorials. There's people all over the world talking about. It's been all over the world. News all over the world. It's. It's kind of surprising. Surprised me, and it's made me appreciate what impact the sport still has. I mean, is it surprised y'?

[Kenny Schrader]

All?

[Herman Schrader]

I'll take a shot. Go ahead, Kenny.

[Kenny Schrader]

No, it hasn't. I mean, it makes you feel good to see. See everybody recognizing the thing that's so much different about our sport. You get a baseball hero that are a football hero or like I know anything about this stuff I'm talking about, but they got so many people on a team, and they got so many teams, so there's so many participants. We got basically 40.

[Herman Schrader]

Yeah. So that's it for 40 athletes. I mean, listen, the pit stop guys are everything. And I'm like, kenny, I get it. But, you know, it's like, you talk about Smokey unit. Smokey unit told me when I was at his shop when Smokey was live, he says he had his pipe and he said, kenny, we got one foot of concrete. I decided to stay on this side of it. You're on that side of it. When you decide to go on that side of it, like Kenny just said, you become one of those 40 race car drivers. And yes, we are a team. And yes, the Jackman and the tire changers were all together. But, you know, it's, it's kind of like who wins the horse race, the jockey or the horse. You got to have a fast horse to ride. Everybody's involved. But in the end, there's one athlete's name and it was Kyle Busch that passed away. And I agree with that, Kenny. And let me add one thing there, Deets. None of us know any more than each other. We just got some information here. Kyle Busch, 234 total NASCAR wins. And something that I saw over the weekend, you know, is angry as Cal would get. He understood media. He was, he went to all the, you know, he won the Cup Championship two times. So he was in New York, he was in California. He was on the Pat McAfee Show. You know, the new media that we have now, they're like, oh, my God, we had him on our show. You know, the President of the United States puts out a post. We remember Samantha Bush here for in vitro fertilization. She was just here at the White House. So, Dietz, I'm answering your thoughts. We're all together, but I think Kyle Bush and Samantha Bush did way more than we, you know, he did a lot. And that is what I saw over the weekend. All these media outlets showing video that Cal Bush or Samantha Bush, they were just at our place. And I think that's also another reason that it is so heartfelt, because he did a lot of media. Two time champion, 234 wins. He did a lot.

[Deets (Racing Analyst)]

Well, you. The other thing about it is that's wild is, is when you think about all the drivers he brought into this sport, but Dr. Guys like Rudy Fugle and Adam Stevens and crew members, I mean, this lineage of guys, even that worked at KBM and went on and did different things. And, you know, I remember when he got his 200th National Series win, I was like, oh, whatever. I was like, you know, they're trying to compare this to Richard Petty and it's not the same. But now I look at it and I'm like, you know, what? Had this been 10 years down the road or he was retired for 10 years. I would look at it and I'd be like, oh, my God, this guy's the old time O'Reilly series winner. He's the all time truck series winner. He won 63 times and 234 wins. You want to talk about a record that'll never be broken?

[Herman Schrader]

100 O'Reilly wins, my God, never.

[Deets (Racing Analyst)]

It'll, it'll never be Broken. And the saddest thing to me about it is, is I don't think he and Brad Keselowski would erase many more years in cup. But they were both talking about running full seasons in truck series and going, you know, and doing that and not being able to see him with Braxton and those sorts of things. That's, that's that said. But the legacy that he's left, you just can't put it into perspective. And I feel bad that, that maybe I didn't realize that as much as is and appreciate it as much as I should.

[Herman Schrader]

We've gone a little long, guys, but we got, we gotta, we gotta keep doing this. Let's, let's start winding it down. But Kenny, Steve o' Donnell in the press conference hit a home run. Steve o' Donnell is, I believe our the president for NASCAR that we've all been looking for. Deets set it right. And one of the stories that Steve O' Donnell shared on Friday, was it Friday evening at 5:30 or Thursday? But anyway, Kenny, this is, I'm asking you this because you've run all three series. You've run cup, you've run O'Reilly and you've run Truck. Steve O' Donnell said before Kyle Busch passed away, Kyle was asking Steve O' Donnell to please make it legal. Any cup driver 40 years old or older can run unlimited what they want to run in NASCAR. You know, I think they're seriously. Steve O' Donnell says they're seriously thinking about once you become 40 years old, have at it, boys. Run whatever you want to run. What do you think?

[Kenny Schrader]

I hadn't heard that. But that I think they ought to let them run whatever they want anyway, no matter how old they are. But still that'd be neat if they do.

[Herman Schrader]

Yeah. Okay, everybody, we gone way too long. It's because we had good subject matter the weekend Kenny, Bobby Pierce started in the back. We're switching subjects. Everybody. The show me 100 up there at Wheatland. I know you had to pay attention to it. Bring me home with Bobby Pierce.

[Kenny Schrader]

He started 20th and had run a B to get in. Started 20th. It was delayed 24 hours. It was Sunday night. So Saturday night and he left with the 75,000. That's all I can tell you. You know, Davenport was up there for a long time, but Bobby got her done.

[Herman Schrader]

Yeah, I was my 2 cents. I was surprised that Superman Jonathan Davenport married himself to the bottom so long to where he's really slowing the car down and there was a streak of moisture. I saw that I guess that's Kenny. You would know more than me. But I think that's the way they work the grater. The angle of the grater. That there was that moisture streak. And they were all grabbing their right rear in that early forever.

[Kenny Schrader]

When Superman lost the lead, it's because he jumped cushion off of two. He was at top when I was. Yeah, but you could run all over. It was great.

[Herman Schrader]

Yeah. All right, everybody, I believe we did it. Deets, you got any junkie jokes?

[Deets (Racing Analyst)]

Yeah, I got some real junky ones. All right. But they're actually. I think they're actually pretty good again this time. But I might be. You know how that goes. Okay, here we go. I got to make sure I pronounced this right. What do you call a magic dog?

[Herman Schrader]

Magic dog.

[Deets (Racing Analyst)]

A labracadabra door.

[Kenny Schrader]

Okay.

[Deets (Racing Analyst)]

Why did the belt get arrested?

[Herman Schrader]

Why did the bell get arrested?

[Deets (Racing Analyst)]

Belt built because it held up a pair of pants.

[Herman Schrader]

That's the best one right there. That's not far fetched.

[Deets (Racing Analyst)]

Yeah, you'll like this one, Herm. Well, you got to know how this word spelled too, though. Why can't you hear a pterodactyl going to the bathroom?

[Herman Schrader]

First of all, what is a pterodactyl?

[Deets (Racing Analyst)]

The flying dinosaur.

[Herman Schrader]

Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Deets (Racing Analyst)]

Okay, because the P is silent.

[Herman Schrader]

Yeah, yeah.

[Deets (Racing Analyst)]

It's spelled P, T, E. Yeah, that was dumb. Got it.

[Herman Schrader]

Okay, everybody, we did it. What do you got, Kenny? What's next?

[Kenny Schrader]

I don't know. We're still trying to get through today.

[Herman Schrader]

I'll see you all Saturday night, May 30th at i55 Speedway. And I'm excited to get home, and I'm going to stay home. I've been gone way too long and I'm excited to be in Myrtle beach right now. But I'll be going home, so. All right, everybody, remember we always remind you all, if you want to listen to this, go to Dirty Mo Media podcast and you can listen to it on the way to the racetrack. And if you want to see Schrader needs pretty face, go to the Kenny Wallace YouTube show. Goodbye, everybody. Check out Dirty Mo Media on Twitter, Facebook, TikTok and Instagram.

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