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Herm & Schrader
Champions Crowned: Hamlin Heartbreak, Jesse Love's Unbelievable Upset, & The "Heim Bomb"
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The 2025 NASCAR season has come to a close, and we've crowned our latest Cup, Xfinity, & Truck Series Champions
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Narrator/Voiceover
The fights we must win. The future we must secure together for our nation.
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Craig Moore
This is what's in front.
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Narrator/Voiceover
This determines what's next for all of us.
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Craig Moore
We are marines. We were made for this. The following is a production of Dirty Mo Media. I'm looking at Kenny Schrader right now.
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Kenny Schrader
Is he a drinker in the show? I mean, yeah.
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Craig Moore
How in the world did we agree to do a podcast?
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Kenny Schrader
I like spending time with you.
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Craig Moore
That makes me happy.
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Kenny Schrader
Well, it's all about making you happ.
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Craig Moore
We're always honest.
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Kenny Schrader
We don't know that we're not in trouble already. And sometimes truthful. What makes you think you're not a little different?
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Craig Moore
You're weird though. Herman Schrader. Herman Schrader The Dirty Mo media platform from the middle of America in St. Louis, Missouri starts right now.
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Kenny Schrader
A third of us are in the middle of America. You're the only one in the middle of America.
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Craig Moore
I left it up to you, Kenny Schrader to do the math. I'm like, where is everybody at? So let's start just like that. Kenny, where are you?
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Kenny Schrader
I'm in Vegas. SEMA show starts tomorrow. We're out here with Federated Auto Parts and we go to the Apex show. That's where a lot of their suppliers will be be at. So we just walk around here for a couple days, talk some people and head home.
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Craig Moore
Boy, I've been out there before for jegs and that sure is big. My God, even where you're at, you're kind of across the street. But then all the other shows, I mean, it takes up half of Vegas.
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Kenny Schrader
It seems like, well, the, every time we get the cab, when we come out here for this, the cab drivers always tell us it's in the top three shows out here as far as attendance, right? Little over 300,000. They is what the our cab driver said. So that's what it is, I guess.
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Craig Moore
Yeah, I believe it. Okay, everybody, Craig Moore, we are going to get right to it. As you would say in mrn, the radio industry. Kenny Schrader, I'm just going to say this and you can make fun of me all you want. You know, we can be mean when we have to, but I do have a heart I am heartbroken for Denny Hamlin. I am crushed. And we will talk about the pit call, but what do you feel like on this Monday morning for the racers?
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Kenny Schrader
Well, I mean, you know, unfortunately for Denny, he just. There was a yellow. That was a, you know, not a questionable call. It was a car bouncing off the fence that came out when he sure didn't need one to come out, you know? Yes. I watched an interview the other day, it had to be Saturday at Phoenix where Kyle and Denny were together. And Kyle was saying, you know, hey, it's a. It's a heck of a storyline. And yes, you know, it'd be neat to see him win it, but I'm going to do everything I can to keep it from happening. But, yeah, I feel. I feel terrible for him, you know, but I would have felt good for any one of the four to win it. I'd have been happy to see him win it. I'm. Obviously, I'm still a Hendrick guy, but all four of them, to get there, deserved. Deserved it if they got it.
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Craig Moore
Yeah, I could have said any better. I think in my mind that Denny Hamlin did something that was so mentally strong on all his social media apps. He did. He promoted his own destiny. He was showing videos on all his social media of his father saying, denny, you just win this for me. I'll give away my house, my car, if you can win this. And then his dad has shown this video of Michael Jordan saying, you know, keep this cigar in this glass box, and when your son wins the championship, we'll break it. Well, Denny Hamlin is promoting all this days before the race, and then you're thinking, he's going to pull this off. He's got a 2 1/2 second lead with four laps to go. So that's just my opinion. I love your opinion, Kenny. You make me stronger. It's not time to cry over one man losing an emotional victory. But my point was that. And I'm not trying to win any debate here, I'm just giving everybody my opinion. Man, Danny sure did really play it up. And it was so emotional the very last pit stop. Let. Let's play. This is a show. Herman Schrader is a show. Let's play devil's advocate. What was Denny Hamlin, crew chief, thinking? All right, here's the parameters, guys. This is a way different racetrack than any racetrack in nascar. The. The field gets dropped off over here in turn four. Denny Amlin is parked 30 seconds away, all the way down in turn two. So we get to See who's staying out. We get to see who's staying out. So we clearly see four cars stayed out. Okay. And it's going to be a green white checker. They come down pit road. Four stayed out on their tires, right? I felt like they should have called an audible.
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Kenny Schrader
It was cars that stayed out. And you know, we go back to Friday and we're just going. Just because I thought that the Heim crew destroyed themselves when they took four tires and look what four tires did. And then when they interviewed Zipadelli, he said, hey, it's a no brainer. It's, it's a four tire call. So, you know, it didn't change from Friday to, to Saturday or Sunday.
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Craig Moore
He's coming down pit road. And my wife Kim and myself, I'm, and I, and I'm saying to Kim, I'm saying Hamlin's gonna put two tires on. There's no doubt about this. You can just clearly see that's the call. So I hear you guys. Craig, what, what do you think? What, what were y' all doing in the, in the radio room? What were you guys thinking?
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Craig (Producer/Co-host)
The Heim move was discussed. It's like, are they gonna, are. You know, when we saw they put on four tires and everybody put on two and then you had the drivers that stayed out, it's like, okay, they're, they're looking back at what Corey Heim did in the truck race. Now, a cup car is different than a truck, so I don't know, you know, if they handle the same way. You know, what the differences may be there, but maybe they were thinking they could do the dive bomb or potentially maybe they thought that other people were going to be putting on four tires as well. You know, I don't know. I'm not a, not a crew chief, you know, don't know what the thinking is there.
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Craig Moore
Kenny.
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Kenny Schrader
Myself, I think the biggest difference was you had Kyle Larson, I mean, one of the best, obviously, because he was one of those four in, in the running for the championship. But you had him in front of you with two tires, not just a bunch of mid pack cars. Not that a mid pack car can win any day now too, but you had one of the best lined up with two tires, several cars in front of you, five cars in front of you. I think I. Four or five cars in front of you on the restart.
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Craig Moore
Yeah, yeah.
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Craig (Producer/Co-host)
I didn't know how he was going to be able to do it when he was, he restarted 10th or 11th and I, my thought process was I just don't think he's going to be able to do this in a green white checker against the competition that was involved.
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Craig Moore
That's what I said.
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Kenny Schrader
Yeah, but the thing about that there is. You have no idea. You, you, I mean, there's a better than average chance that this isn't going to be a green white checker. It's going to be a green, a yellow, and then another green white checker.
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Craig Moore
Okay, that was. That's the best thing I've heard since yesterday, Kenny. Good point. Nine times out of ten, we're all going to wreck because this is for everything. And, and I'll tell you what, I coming to the white flag, I thought, oh, they're going to wreck because Kyle Larson was on the outside in three and four. They were three wide. How they held that through three and four? Yeah, I like that thought right there, Kenny. Denny might have been okay if they'd wrecked again. So this all goes down to crew chief versus crew chief. Let's talk about that for a minute. The drivers are out there, but now it's crew chief to crew chief. What are you going to do?
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Kenny Schrader
Well, the only thing, obviously Kyle and them took the two and it worked out, but, and I haven't, you know, I'm not a social media guy, so I haven't been looking at everything, but from one little thing I saw, Denny Hamlin was 100% behind his four tires is did I see that right?
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Craig Moore
Said that. Yep, he's, he's okay.
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Kenny Schrader
So that, that's what, that's what matters. If it wasn't crew chief against crew chief, it was team against team. And you know, Kyle's, you know, he just give me something, just give me a little something and I'll go, you know. And they, Denny's team decided to four tires is what was their best chance for her. And they decided that said Denny was behind the decision.
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Craig Moore
So you know, one thing that I, Craig, I don't know if you listen to it on mrn, but after the race and Kenny, this is good information for you too, and I want to hear you guys opinion. Kyle got a lap down because of a right front flat and to make up ground and get back to the front, they took on right sides earlier. And afterwards, you know, after the race is over, Kyle said, you know, the right sides had more grip than I thought they would. So mistakenly, Kyle Larson tested right sides only. So he knew what he had on that last start. Just talk about that, Kenny. Knowing what right sides are going to do versus Denny. Don't Have a clue what right sides.
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Kenny Schrader
Are going to do. Yeah, well, I mean, you already know, so it's not a big roll of dice. Plus, Kyle is just. It's just, you know, just give me anything, Give me anything. And I only got to go two laps, you know. Well, I mean, it's. True story. That's the way he grew up. You know, it was, you know, it was ironic that the 24 car was the one that brought out the yellow, which was running second at the time there.
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Craig Moore
Yep. Joey was all over him. But. But you're right. Let's just go with that. Second or third.
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Kenny Schrader
Okay. Well, he was running second as far as points payoff. So he went from second to fourth. And the points payoff.
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Craig Moore
Hey, I want to.
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Kenny Schrader
With that.
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Craig Moore
Second, you bring up a good point. So in the media presser after the race, this was a highlight afterwards. I saw it late last night. So William Byron comes to sit down next to Denny Hamlin, you know, two hours after the race is over. And William Byron looks at Denny and says, man, I am so sorry. And the media hops on it right away and said, why did you apologize to Denny Hamlin? He said, well, Danny's going to win and I'm going to run second. I just, I know, you know, this is a heartbreak. I took the championship away from him. Just your thoughts on William having a good soul, being a, having a heart? Kenny?
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Kenny Schrader
Well, these guys, you know, obviously some of them not Denny, but some of them are so much younger than we were when a lot of us were racing. But, you know, you put your heart and soul in it. They, they know what it takes. They know the situation everybody's in. And yes, his, you know, his teammate, his teammate won the championship because of that flat tire. The had the chance to win it and was able to capitalize on it because of his flat tire. He went from second to fourth in points because of his flat tire. But then he went from, you know, more than likely being the champion. Sure enough, you know, if we just make four more laps, which we didn't, being the champion to, to not. And you, you hate that for somebody. I mean, especially with Denny's story, it just. There's some good guys out there. Those drivers, they're basically, you know, they're good people. They wouldn't have got where they're got, you know, that far. If they were really bad people, you know, that did bad things, they wouldn't, they wouldn't be there.
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Craig (Producer/Co-host)
Also, on top of that, Kyle Larson said, at least, you know, when we interviewed him on MRN that he felt bad for winning the championship over Denny. Now, he said, yeah, I wanted to win it, you know, and I did what I had to do to win it. But he's. He, he honestly, and you could hear it in his voice, he felt bad about Denny's situation.
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Kenny Schrader
Yeah, and I know it sounds stupid, but there's, you know, there's a difference between winning the championship and someone losing the championship.
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Craig Moore
Good point.
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Kenny Schrader
You know, in. In mind, you know, Denny lost the champion. I mean, they. It was taken from him, not because of any manipulation or anything, but unbelievable rate, late race circumstance took the championship from him. Now, they also could have put on to whatever. It doesn't make any difference, but it's theirs. They got it. They just got to run around there four more laps, five more laps, whatever it is. So, yeah, it's just. It's what it is.
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Craig Moore
As Bill Elliott would say, Herman, it's all about timing and circumstances. And, boy, that fits perfectly into this situation. One of Bill's famous quotes to me about anything in life, you know, timing and circumstances. Hey, this is Dalenhardt Jr. And for the latest Herman Schrader gear, you need to go to shop.dirtymomedia.com We've got plenty of options for everybody, and we're adding new stuff all the time, so go to shop.dirtymomedia.com when it comes to money, you deserve to feel safe from fraud and in control. And that's what you get with Cash App. Instantly lock or unlock your card with one tap. If a suspicious charge appears, Cash App declines it and alerts you with security. Lock, face ID or biometrics protect your account. Order a Cash App card today at Cash App Card. For a limited time, only new Cash App customers can use our exclusive code to earn some additional cash. For real? Just download Cash App. Use our exclusive referral code. Secure 10 in your profile. Send $5 to a friend with the in 14 days and you'll get $10 dropped right into your account. Terms apply. That's money. That's Cash App. Cash App is a financial services platform, not a bank. Banking services provided by Cash App's bank partners. Prepaid debit cards issued by Sutton bank member fdic. Instant discounts provided by Cash App, a Block Incorporated brand. Visit Cash app LegalPodcast for full disclosures.
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Craig Moore
Okay. Well, you know, as I said last week, if, if Herman Schrader is ever going to do a show, today's show is the show of all shows because this is what we live for. And we've got to talk about everything because we might take a couple weeks off here and there, but this show's going to continue. But now we got to talk about the things that are on everybody's mind. And we'll continue to talk about the race. But let's insert this right at the top. The NASCAR awards ceremony is going to be Tuesday night. Nascar, you know, they. They had. Kenny, they had the State of the Union address. They did do it. And Steve ODonnell, Steve Phelps, they were together. They talked about it all. And they. They talked and they yearned that, hey, we are going to take NASCAR back to the top. We're not giving up. And so the fans and everybody are still pushing for this points change, and people are still not happy with the way it played out. So the, the award ceremony Tuesday, right out there by you. What. What do you know about this award ceremony? I was talking to brother Rusty and, boy, I like this happening right away. I don't know the last time this has ever happened.
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Kenny Schrader
Tuesday.
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Craig (Producer/Co-host)
The only thing I know is that at mrn, we have to record it and then edit it and then get it ready for broadcast. I know that it's at Scottsdale. I think that the, the move to make it right after the ch, you know, right after the race in the same location was smart. That saves teams a lot of money, you know, from traveling to different places and back and forth. And it's, it's. It's a great idea. Everybody just kind of hangs out for a day or two and then you knock it out.
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Craig Moore
Yeah, I like that. And I thought I'd bring that up because NASCAR will announce the points new format sooner than later. Like Kenny Schrader said last week, let's not muddy the waters right now. But I wanted to get that in here early and recognize it that I know the fans are foaming at the mouth about this points change, but. So the banquet is now everybody actually last night because this airs on Wednesday. So last night was the banquet. So look for the new points format to be announced soon. Okay, Kenny, let's go back to the race. Just wanted to get that in there.
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Kenny Schrader
Then all four of the Chase contenders have a tire issue.
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Craig Moore
Yes. Because Kyle Larson left rear or Denny Hamlin left rear?
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Kenny Schrader
Yes, yeah, all four issue.
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Craig (Producer/Co-host)
And Briscoe, and I'm not a Briscoe, had a number of tire issues going, even going back to practice, they were having issues in practice. This tire issue continued on for the Cup Series throughout. Every time they were on the track, basically.
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Kenny Schrader
And okay, my head on in points just for one second, you know, now this is, this is me, not just me talking about something I don't know, I'm talking about, you know, it's football or baseball, but then baseball, that, baseball and football. They should give you so many points for winning a game. Baseball, so many points for how many home runs you get. Football, so many points for how many touchdowns you get or whatever. And then at the end of the year they just add them all up and they don't have to have a Super bowl or World Series because whoever got the most points to be a champion, somebody.
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Craig Moore
Okay, this is funny. Landon Castle on Sunday night made the best joke of all. You know, you know, land is. Landon is pretty brilliant and everybody recognized that. He said, next year in 2026, we're not gonna race. We're all going straight to the championship race. We're gonna go green, white, checkered. Because, because that's what it was. That's what happened. In reality, making light of it, that's what it came down to at Phoenix. All the, all four of them were lined up at one time. Kenny with 30 to go. With 30 to go. All four were right there. One, two. Look like a heat race.
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Kenny Schrader
Well, what, what have all the fans told Bob Pocras?
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Craig Moore
You know, the, the fans are still crazy. They've lost their mind. They want, they want the Mark Martin deal. Hey, by the way, everybody, what's the.
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Kenny Schrader
What'S the views on. I mean, what's Jeff cluck.
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Craig Moore
Let me see. Yeah, let's, let's see here if they're all awake out there. The two hour difference. Okay, listen, while I'm looking this up, I want to want you to comment on this after the race. Not even 15 minutes after the race. Kyle Larson said this quote and I just think it's funny and interesting. Kyle Larson said he started laughing goes, I never let a lap and I won the championship. Talk about that. Yeah, okay, I got it already. Kenny. Man. 11, 746 votes and this usually gets up to 20,000. This shocks me. Only 56% of the people said it, it was a good race. So 56% said it was a good race. 44 say no I'm mean, I think. I think that's a heart decision. I think their driver did not win the. How could that not be a good race?
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Kenny Schrader
That.
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Craig Moore
That is not.
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Kenny Schrader
Well, I was traveling, didn't get to see the race, but, you know, the race isn't necessarily a championship. There was a. You know, the race is the race itself, if you look, you know, championships race within the race. So I don't know what the race was like, so, you know, they might have valid point there.
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Craig (Producer/Co-host)
I'll bet if Denny had won the championship or the race or. Or both. If he had won the race, that number would be different. I think people would. I think the approval number would be a little bit higher.
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Kenny Schrader
Yeah. Yeah. The world would be right today.
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Craig Moore
Yeah.
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Kenny Schrader
Yeah.
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Craig Moore
Well, leave it up to my big brother, Rusty and Kenny Schrader. Born in the same era to straight. Toughen up, boy. I always tell Rusty and Schrader, I say, you guys are as tough as a rock. I wished I was as strong mentally as Kenny Schrader and Rusty and Earnhardt, those guys. And you're looking at him right now. Hey, guy. Kenny Schrader's taught me more. Soon as I get emotional, it's like, okay, bud, let's. Let's debit this. And I'm like, okay. I feel better. Kenny, do you think it was tougher in the 50s for you and Rusty and Earnhardt than it was in the 50s?
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Kenny Schrader
In the 50s?
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Craig Moore
When were you born?
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Kenny Schrader
I was born in the 50s, but I wasn't making a lot of decisions, doing much.
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Craig Moore
You all are the same. You guys, you got you.
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Kenny Schrader
We started racing in the 70s, and we started racing bigger events in the 80s.
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Craig Moore
Yeah, well, y' all are different. That's all there is to it. Yep. Okay, we're in the race. We're still going in the race, guys. And let's have fun with this. We got the emotions out of the way. Got my emotions out of the way. Well, before the race, I said. And if you remember last week, I said, okay, Ryan Blaney's gonna win this race, and Denny Hamlin's gonna win the championship. And I'm gonna tell you what, Craig Moore, you. You had to think of me yesterday because for a while, I had the. You know, they call it the trifecta for three. I had the double factor. I was dead on.
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Craig (Producer/Co-host)
I absolutely was thinking of you yesterday while that was going on, because, yeah, Blaney winning the race, Hamlin winning the championship was your call. And it for. Honestly, for a long time. I mean, if I'M not mistaken. I believe a stat I heard was that in the championship race, that was the most laps led by a championship contender in that race that Denny led on Sunday. So he was, he was, he was really dominant. I mean, he would check out, but then there at the end when Blaney came on, yes, I was thinking of you, but you were only 50% right on that.
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Craig Moore
So, Kenny, you were in the air. Listen to this. And I know you've seen some replay, but just talk about this for a minute. Craig, straight me out if I'm wrong, but I was so discombobulated because it was so crazy. We're coming to the checkered flag. We're going. We're going into three, and Brett Keselowski's leading the race.
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Kenny Schrader
He's.
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Craig Moore
He's going to win it. Keselowski and he, and I mean, Blaney was so fast, he just rolled underneath of him and beating to the start finish line by two car lengths. Just talk about Keselowski almost, you know, helping his, his life out and running rfk and man, I mean, there was, it was great everywhere. It was unbelievable. It was exhausting to finish.
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Kenny Schrader
56% of the people thought, so.
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Craig Moore
Leave it up to Kenny. Leave it up.
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Kenny Schrader
Okay, so Denny Hamlin's four laps away from being champion.
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Craig Moore
Yeah.
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Kenny Schrader
Yeah, Dave.
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Craig Moore
Yep.
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Kenny Schrader
Brian Blaney's one position away from being champion.
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Craig Moore
Yeah.
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Kenny Schrader
Martinsville. Yeah.
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Craig Moore
Oh, yeah. We could go on and on, could we?
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Craig (Producer/Co-host)
And after the race, both Blaney and Larson said Blaney didn't think he had the car to win that race. He said, I've got a top five car, top 10 car. And Larson said he felt like he had it more of a mid pack car.
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Kenny Schrader
They got it. One was a time they both did what they needed.
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Craig Moore
Hey, let's go back to these tires because I'm thinking of teammates. Austin CK was good, and, you know, he had a left rear, right rear flat. He went into the wall. Now, Kenny, I want to go back to what you're talking about. You know, when you listen to the announcers, you know, Steve Latart, Jeff Burton, they were privy, meaning they knew a little bit more than we did, because in the TV industry, they have spotters, they tell you what's going on. And they all said during the broadcast that William Byron had the most conservative setup, that he was good to go, he got better in the long run. And here he was the one that blew the tire and so that blew that. Maybe they lowered the air pressure for that last minute run, but Going back to what you said, Kenny. And then one more thing. Denny Hamlin had a left rear tire going down, got lucky. Caution comes out, and they have to put another jack under the car, which was illegal. And that's why Denny Hamlin went from leading back to 10th. But anyway, talk about those tire failures.
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Kenny Schrader
You know, I said I didn't. I didn't see it, but, you know, more than likely related to. To air pressure. Hey, these guys are. These guys. It's time to go. You know, those four cars and Sunday's race. Yeah, we gotta. We gotta. We gotta make sure we got enough air into things that we don't have a tire failure. But, oh, yeah, we got. Got to make sure we let enough out that this thing will haul ass, you know, after 40 laps. So, you know, everything was on the line. So I don't know how many other cars had tire failures. Was. Was there a lot?
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Craig Moore
Everybody. The whole damn field. Oh, I mean, it was. Nobody wrecked. And listen, we mean this. Positively everybody. We're just following up here. We love Goodyear, but everybody. Kenny, every caution, every single one. Nobody wrecked. Nobody wrecked, Craig.
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Kenny Schrader
Did they?
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Craig (Producer/Co-host)
Well, if they wrecked, it was due to a tire. Tire, right? There were. You know, there were no two cars getting together or anything like that. It was all. If anybody ended up in the wall, like Cindrick, he had a pretty hard hit. Almendinger had a pretty hard hit. But again, you know, they were due to tire failures. Yeah, but to answer your question, Kenny, there were a ton. Schrader, that is a ton of tire failures, again, both during practice and again during the race. And one thing that people are. I don't know if they're overlooking, and I don't know how much this played into it, but Danny also had a clutch issue. He was, I want to say, about a third of the way into the race, he was telling his crew that his clutch. Forgive me if I get this wrong, but I believe he said his clutch was going long. And I'm. I'm not sure what that meant, but.
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Craig Moore
It almost wouldn't work. It was almost going to the floor. Yeah, in. Good point.
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Craig Moore
Wanna talk about this for a minute? I know we're kind of going back and forth here, but before the race, before the race, Jeff Burton on NBC. Kenny went down to interview Denny Hamlin as he's getting in the car. And Danny Hamlin's got his earpieces in, you know, on the tv. You know how they do that, Kenny? They, they show you the TV and they go, okay, Danny, here's what we're showing on TV to the millions of fans. And it's this special about his dad. He starts, Denny Hamlin starts crying as he's getting ready to get in the car, like wiping away tears. And he can't talk. And you see Jeff Burton kind of patting Kenny. Just talk about that. How do, how you recover emotionally to get in the car and run the biggest race of your life.
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Kenny Schrader
You just do it. You just got. It's your job. That's what you're there for. You know, all the other stuff that happens, but that, that's what you're there for, is to run that race. You just got to get in there. Yeah. I mean, it'll wear on you, but once once, you know, you get strapped in there and they start them up, it's different. Deal.
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Craig Moore
Yeah. I just wanted to give you guys. You got anything to say about that, Craig?
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Craig (Producer/Co-host)
I personally feel terrible for Denny because I know that from what I understand from what he said, this may be the, the last opportunity that his father has to see him win a champion.
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Craig Moore
His dad's dying. Denny said his dad's dying and he's not going to be here next year. He flat said it.
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Craig (Producer/Co-host)
So.
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Craig Moore
He flat said that.
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Craig (Producer/Co-host)
Yeah, that is a quote. And I think that that, that is where a lot of this emotion from Denny and the drive that he had also to win the championship. Cave, you know, he's a driven, you know, he, he wanted to win the championship no matter what, no matter what the situation. But with that added on to it, I think that, that he, he needed for himself to win that championship.
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Kenny Schrader
Yeah.
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Craig Moore
Okay. Clean slate.
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Kenny Schrader
Wow.
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Craig Moore
Yeah. I agree with you 110%. Okay, Kenny, we're officially going to move on from the cup series. You have anything else to say?
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Kenny Schrader
No, no. It just. It was pretty exciting. It was. It was exciting. Like they meant it to be. And who would have been the champion for the year? Going back to the old points, I.
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Craig Moore
Think they say it would have been the 20 car. No, Seabell C. Bell would have been the champion, and of course he would now. Okay. If everybody's okay with it, that's fine. But it would have been one a long time ago, you know? And that's fine with me. That's fine with me. But you're right, Kenny, and I'm glad you brought that up there. There are plenty sites that just keep the old. You know, they come up with the old Winston cup thing and they. They keep track. Yeah. C. Bell would have won it in dominant fashion. Okay, everybody, we are going to move on to what else happened. And remember, stay tuned. We got Craig's notes, and we're going to go through those. All right, the truck race. Kenny. Wow. Corey Hine is. Was that his 12th or 13th? When. I haven't looked at your notes yet.
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Kenny Schrader
12Th, I think, wasn't it? Yeah.
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Craig Moore
Okay, so Corey IIm wins his 12th win. Crew chief puts on four tires. We all seen the heim. It's being named the heim bomb seven wide getting into turn three. Kenny, did you see Corey hine go seven wide on the inside?
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Kenny Schrader
Sure did. Sure did. Because when they put on four tires, it was like, oh, no. And you know, which. Yeah, yeah, it worked out. And it worked out really good for them. And now, different than the xfinity, Corey won. I mean, he was the truck all year, you know, to win the championship. 12th victory. So we gotta say the right truck won the championship.
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Craig Moore
And that was exhausting because, okay, that heim bomb, that seven wide move, that was not the end. They're coming to the white flag, and they wrecked their butts off down in three and four. And the white flag comes out. Then they. They re rack them again. Then he. Then he goes on. Then. Then it makes the Ford tires look even better. Majeski was going to race him. He was going to lose still. But they. They had to go at it again.
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Kenny Schrader
Yeah, they never made it to the white yellow. The yellow came out. So then they did it again.
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Craig Moore
Yeah. Right. So, all right. Of course, everybody's like, nascar got lucky. I'm like, whatever. They wrecked. So that's the way it was. And, dude.
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Craig (Producer/Co-host)
So an interesting stat on Corey Maybe this will guy may make everybody feel old. It does me. Corey Heim is the first truck series champion that was born in the 21st century.
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Craig Moore
And. And I'm gonna. We're gonna read your notes here in a minute because we like that part of the show. But he set every record there was to have a record. He led more laps. He did it all. So like Kenny, Kenny, like Kenny Schrader says, somebody's gonna break him one day.
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Kenny Schrader
Again, his will get broke.
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Craig Moore
Yep. Okay. Yeah. Okay, so Corey Heim, now, does he move on? I don't know this. Who does he drive for next year? Craig Moore. R, Kenny. I don't know. I've lost. I got brain fade. I think Corey Heim does not. I don't think he stays in a truck series again, does he? I don't know. Respond right here.
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Craig (Producer/Co-host)
I'm gonna look it up.
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Craig Moore
Okay, you're gonna look that up. All right, Kenny. Let's go to the Xfinity series. Another barn burner. Connor Zillich never, never is in play to dominate this race. For the most part, Junior motorsports at the end of the year is not as strong as they need to be. And you know, you go back to Martinsville and other teams show up. So Jesse Love wins two races, has the race of his life, just flat ass wins it, passes them all. And Richard Childress and Jesse Love, they win the championship. And Connor Zillich, he gets out. He's young, he's emotional. There's pitchers. He's got a tear running down his eye. The kid's heart broke. Makes sense of this one for me. Kenny, just talk about it.
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Kenny Schrader
Well, you know, he won all the races all year long. He was 11, I guess. Was it? I think 11. And you know, he's for sure the favorite going in. But Richard Childress's team has won a ton of. Is it six? Six Xfinity championships. That shoulders, Probably. It's on your notes, Greg.
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Craig Moore
He'll get back.
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Kenny Schrader
But anyway, you know, he just. That end run, man, you could see Jesse coming on the top and he got running around there and just plain old past Connor and kept taking off. Just took off.
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Craig Moore
Yeah. Love is the fifth driver to win NASCAR Xfinity championship for Richard Childer race.
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Kenny Schrader
Yeah, but wait a minute.
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Craig Moore
No, go ahead.
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Kenny Schrader
I'm right there. Kevin.
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Craig Moore
Okay.
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Kenny Schrader
Kevin won two.
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Craig Moore
Yes, I got it right here.
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Kenny Schrader
Craig Moore's nurse, fifth driver, six championship.
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Craig Moore
Great. Yes. Great idea. Harvick two. Clint Boyer, Austin Diller, Dylan Tyler Reddick. Yes. Yep. Three, four, five.
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Kenny Schrader
Yeah.
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Craig Moore
Yep, yep. Yeah. Oh, okay. I thought you're talking about Childress.
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Kenny Schrader
Yeah. The sixth car owner championship for Richard children.
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Craig Moore
Yes. Yeah. Hey, how. Let's stay right there for a minute. I mean, I get it, I get it what you teach me. But I just got a problem with. Okay, the guy wins the race, the other guy wins the championship. And when all victory lane clears out, now here comes. And Joe Gibbs did nothing wrong. Now, Joe Gibbs and Eric Amarillo, they won the car owner championship. Kenny, my question to you is it, does this get too convoluted or not?
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Kenny Schrader
No. I mean, there's the teams racing for a championship and the drivers are racing for a championship. So I mean, it's just two different championships. The drivers get slow, more notoriety and stuff, but it's, it's just the way it is. And a lot of times, you know, most times that's. It's the same team but in the coaches deal with the different drivers. They used it. It wasn't.
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Craig Moore
Okay, this is the perfect time to slide this in, guys. And there's lots of tidbit, but when nascar, when Steve o' Donnell and Steve Phillips had their state of the union, not long after that, they put a, they, they put some written papers out. They're slowly changing everything here day by day. Next year, next year, the, the cup drivers. The cup drivers can run up to 10 races now. And I think that's going to fit right in with our partner, Bob Sergeant. Because now when you look at, what is that, Mother's Day or Easter for Rockingham, that means all that. That gives these cup guys room to go help the, the second and third tier. So the announcement was, if you've got more than two years of NASCAR cup experience, you can run 10 races a year. If you're new in cup, if you run first and second, you race all you want. What do you think about NASCAR opening it up to kind of the old days back where Kenny Schrader and Earnhardt and Harry Gantt, they're coming back.
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Kenny Schrader
I think it's good. You know, hey, it's just a race. If you show up legal car, you know, anybody ought to be able to run it. So I think it's good and it'll definitely help some of those other races.
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Craig (Producer/Co-host)
So was there, was there a limit back in the day? So I remember back when I was a fan and I was an Earnhardt fan, loved Earnhardt. I loved it when he would run the then Bush series. Was there a limit back then on how many you could run or did they incorporate that? You know, what was it, 10 years back or whatever it was?
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Kenny Schrader
It came. It came later. There was no limit. What. What did Carl do the one time as far as running? He's trying to run them both. Yeah. Or Roush, I think, at the time. But, yeah, I mean, there was no limit. Just whatever you could run, you run.
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Craig Moore
Let me throw this out there. So the fans bitched and moaned. They complained. That's why this rule got changed. Let's be clear about it. The fans said the cup drivers are taking away everything. Then. We didn't create no superstars.
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Craig (Producer/Co-host)
We.
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Craig Moore
We just, you know, the Xfinity drivers won the races, and that was it. So here we are all these years later, and the fans are like, we want the cup drivers in. So, Kenny, in my. I'm gonna say this. Sometimes the fans don't know what they want. So here we are, going back to the original, and I have a feeling that this is life. You know, that was my opinion just now. What's your thought?
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Kenny Schrader
I don't know. You know, we all change our minds. And when you say the fans, you know, it's just. NASCAR is real good about making changes that they think are going to help.
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Craig Moore
Yeah.
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Kenny Schrader
You know, they limited guys from running all the other series, cut them back to how much they could run, thinking that that was going to help. Yeah. And now they're changing it back, thinking that that's going to help. So it's no big deal. The fans are obviously that. That's the only reason our sport works, is the fans, and we want to listen to them. You know, I mean, that's. We gotta listen to them. They. They control our whole sport. They got a lot to say.
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Craig Moore
They do. And more now since the world has changed, and no doubt about it. Okay, let's end the Xfinity series like this. What a wonderful run. What a wonderful, wonderful era. Xfinity, you know, they were wonderful. They're gone now, and it's going to be. Oh, oh, oh, auto parts. Oh, Love it. Kenny, what do you think of O'Reilly coming in?
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Kenny Schrader
Well, obviously. And we want all. You know, we want all the new sponsors we can get. You know, I mean, that's what we want. We want. We want every major corporation out there to be involved in nascar and some. Some farm, you know, hate to see Xfinity go. Don't know if they're still going to be involved in the cup deal. Has that been announced or anything? Great, because they're one of the. They're one of the sponsors there. So just have to see Craig.
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Craig Moore
Are y'. All. Are y' all cutting any commercials yet for next year for O'Reilly?
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Craig (Producer/Co-host)
Not yet. We'll start that here in a. In a couple months or two. They'll. They. O'Reilly is one. They'll have an agency. They send us stuff.
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Craig Moore
Yeah.
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Craig (Producer/Co-host)
So we'll be loading those commercials, I'm sure. Just to backtrack a little bit to the Corey Hine question in 2026, he doesn't have anything fully confirmed. Apparently he's looking at running a. A combination of cup Truck and O'Reilly series races at this point.
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Craig Moore
Yeah. And Denny Hamlin in 2311, I think, is where he'll end up.
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Craig Moore
Member NYSE, SIPC okay, here it is, everybody. He sent them to me last night. It's Craig's notes. Do we have a jingle yet for this? Craig's notes. I'm gonna run through them. Kenny and then. And Craig and you. You guys respond, okay? Kyle Larson is your champion. Second cup championship in his 11th full time season. Damn, that's a good one right there, Kenny. He's only been running the Cup Series 11 years and he's already won two championships. 18th driver to win multiple cup championships. You guys stop me whenever. Third driver to win multiple cup championships in the elimination style playoffs. Joey Logano and Kyle Busch. The only other 2 3rd driver to win multiple cup championships with Hendrick Motorsport. Damn, they're strong. Jimmy Johnson seven, Jeff Gordon four. And now Kyle at two. Man, you know that trophy case at Hendrick Motorsports is insane. Okay, let's go to Blaney, the race winner. His 17th career win in 378 starts. He's a grown man already. Blaney man. Time is flying. Guys. Listen to this. This is a good one on Ryan Blaney. Fourth win this season. It's his most in a season. So basically, you know, Ryan Blaney is a champion. Kenny Schrader, but this is his best year as far as wins.
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Kenny Schrader
Yeah, and he's going to continue to get better, and I don't see Penske not continuing to get better. So Ryan will be a force to be reckoned with for a while.
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Craig Moore
Okay, well, in the cup series like this. We'll skip through some of your notes here, Craig. Kenny, you were the one that kind of brought this up about. Did everybody have tire issues? Let's. Let's run through this real quick. Playoff problems. Kyle Larson, on one of his pit stops, drops a lug nut during stops at the second stage and fell the 20th right there. Then he suffers a flat tire. Running 8th on lap 214, and comes to pit road. Took the wave around at lap 226. That right there tells you how hard it was Kenny Schrader for Kyle Larson to win his championship. Wow.
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Kenny Schrader
Yeah. Well, luckily that yellow came. That was like, what, 12 laps or 8 or 10, 12 laps after his problem. So he, you know, that. That came at a good time for him. I saw it one time. Was there, like. I mean, because they had eight yellows or something. They had a lot of yellows, but There was like 30 cars on the lead lap. Did I read that right?
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Craig Moore
Yeah. Everybody kept getting a reach around.
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Kenny Schrader
Yeah.
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Craig Moore
Okay. Denny Hamlin had a left rear tire going down just at the end of stage two under caution. Had a longer stop as issue getting, you know, the jack back under. He fell to 11th. So Denny, you know, it took a good 80 laps, but he passed them all. Denny passed them all to get back to the lead. This one is probably the one. That was just unbelievable. Chase Briscoe eight times in the race. He should have been out of the race. Lost a right rear tire just as a caution flew at lap 106. Running fifth. That was one. Suffers another flat tire, running second at lap 217. Then got the free pass at lap 220, caution. He blew like three tires, Kenny. And just amazing. Where did he end up finishing? I don't know.
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Kenny Schrader
I don't know. Third and points.
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Craig (Producer/Co-host)
Yeah. Second. He ended up finishing.
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Craig Moore
Yeah. Probably third. 18th. 18th. Okay. And then to end it all, William Byron, who had the smoother trace of all. Because, see, Denny had the jack problem. William Byron, who had the smoothers raced of all. Of course, Kenny suffered a flat running fourth.
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Kenny Schrader
Oh.
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Craig Moore
Running fourth on lap 309. So maybe that tower was going down and that's the reason he was running fourth.
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Kenny Schrader
Yeah.
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Craig Moore
And.
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Kenny Schrader
And that was second in the chase, so. Right.
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Craig Moore
Yes. 100. Yeah. So you're right. Kenny, earlier in the show, you said all four championship drivers have issues. And they had a lot more issues than we. We thought. And we just read it off, dude. As Craig notes. Okay. All right. Trucks, Corey Himes. Okay. Fifth time the champion. Won the season finale in the playoff era. So that. Yeah, okay. So, yeah, that's a good, good stat, Kenny.
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Kenny Schrader
Yeah. I mean, you. You've seen so many times, you know, he had to win the race to be the champion.
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Craig Moore
Yeah. And listen to this one. This kind of go. This stat goes right along there with Kyle Larson. This was his first championship in three full time seasons. So he's won three. Three seasons he's already a champion. And then, of course, going back to what Craig said, first truck series champion born in the 21st century. Oh. First truck champion from Georgia. Title comes in Heim's third season championship for appearance best. Okay. His previous best championship finished with second last year. And then. Yeah. First driver to win 12 races in a single season broke Greg Biffle's record of nine. Yeah.
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Kenny Schrader
Okay. Yeah, that's looking at more than a little bit.
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Craig Moore
Yeah, that's a hell of a year. All right. Okay. Xfinity series. Let me see here. Of course, we talked about Childress. Listen to this. This is a good one for Richard Childress. We already talked about Jesse Love being your champion, winning the race. 20 drivers account for Richard Childress's 103 career wins. 23rd time a Chevrolet driver has won the Xfinity series championship, but first since 2019. Is that right? Wow. Chevrolet's 26 wins in 2025. Okay. Are the most by a manufacturer in a single season.
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Kenny Schrader
All right. Yeah, I think that's pretty huge. Chevrolet 26 or 20. Yeah, yeah. 25 or 26 races, one manufacturer. Yeah.
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Craig Moore
And just going back to Jesse Love just a little bit. He was your 2023 ARCA Menard Series champion. Yeah. Second driver to win the first and last race of the season. Is that right? Jesse Love won the. He won Daytona and then he won this race. That's an odd stat, but interesting. And Tyler Reddick did it. In 2018, Tyler Redick won the Xfinity race at Daytona and then the last race. So he. He bookended. Anything stand out, Kenny?
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Kenny Schrader
No. Good year. All three. All three series.
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Craig Moore
Okay, before we get to jokes, some.
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Kenny Schrader
Dirt racing.
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Craig Moore
Okay, we'll get to that.
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Kenny Schrader
Well, let's 500 car. Yeah.
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Craig Moore
Let's do dirt racing right now. We got some good stuff to end the show on. Talk about Charlotte. It started out rough. Whoa, doggy. Okay, everybody, we're going dirt racing.
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Kenny Schrader
But I was told and I I know from watching it. Somebody, you know, they had all that rain last week and somebody decided it would be good to open the track and left it open when the rain came. Now when I say open it, we're talking about taking a machine and cutting it like, you know, four or five inches deep. Not maybe not even that much. It just wasn't packed together, I heard. And when you put that. That much water on a dirt track, you're not going to recover overnight or over two nights. And they didn't. And they had a plowed cornfield. And it's a shame because they have actually had that track under control for quite a few years now. But it was terrible this weekend. They tore up stuff that just should never. Should never get tore up. I mean, I'm old and I would have never unloaded. It was just bad.
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Craig (Producer/Co-host)
I know. Yeah, I know. People that packed up and just didn't. Didn't take the tr.
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Craig Moore
Charlie mer packed up. I think he tried and got doored and he loaded up. Yeah. Okay. Just something for fun. You own a dirt track and you've owned dirt tracks. When we. When we go through regions, you know, of dirt in America, here in Missouri, we have the brown dirt down there, they have the red clay, and boy, that stuff is like concrete. Kenny, you brought up that they left the track open with that red clay. That. That is. That makes a problem, doesn't it, trying to get the track back?
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Kenny Schrader
Well, it makes a problem anywhere. And you need. You need daylight, you need. When you need sun, you need some wind and you need some time. You can. You can ride around there and get it sealed up where it looks pretty. But as soon as you drive down in there, you know it's not wet. It's still wet underneath, and it makes for big ruts. So, you know, if they got good weather and they do their normal track stuff this week, I'm sure they'll have a great track for the world finals this week.
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Craig Moore
And.
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Kenny Schrader
But they. But they need. They need the week to work on it.
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Craig Moore
And we'll end like this. I watched a little bit of it, and let's say it was lap 20 of a 25 lap feature. They have a noise ordinance there. And they were throwing the checkered flag like 18. Lap 18 of a 25 lap race in every feature. And like, oh, I get it. It's the city of Concord. The subdivisions are right there. And, you know, that's just the way it is. But what do you think of that, Kenny? They were. They were throwing the checkered flag and these $8,000 to win features at lap 20 of a 25 lapper.
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Kenny Schrader
Yeah, that's fine. You know, that's fine. You more than likely you were gonna gain some spots from other people breaking than you were just gonna drive up there and drive around somebody. You'd already had 18 laps, you know. Don't know if another seven was gonna help you, you know.
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Craig Moore
Yeah. Drake Troutman come from the back of the R Modifieds. Our A Modifieds. I watch it. And Buddy, he sent it. But he paid the price because he was on the ragged edge. He hit. He, you know, he scuffed the wall going down the front straightaway and blew that right rear tire out. So you're right. And in the house he bought that old car that I drove for Nick Hoffman and he held a pretty wheel in the number 72. So you're right. Kenny probably throwing the caution when they did save a lot of people.
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Kenny Schrader
Yeah, they got it in. That's all matters.
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Craig Moore
Craig, what do you got for dirt racing? Anything else?
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Craig (Producer/Co-host)
Only thing I got is we got the world Finals coming up, which you mentioned coming up this week and a good portion of my past week, aside from getting ready for Phoenix was the Wing Nation show I produced for mrn. We're doing some live shows at the dirt track and just lining up guests. So that's been. We'll be doing the, the shows Steve Post, Aaron Evernham, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday prior to the gates opening up.
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Craig Moore
Good stuff. Okay.
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Kenny Schrader
That'S quite, that's quite an event. They will pack that place. It's great to watch.
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Craig Moore
Kenny. On that subject, we, we have Eldora and we have Knoxville. Do you think the world finals at Charlotte is third on that, you know, big time dirt racing list now?
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Kenny Schrader
Oh, I don't know. That's too. I don't want to even think about that. I don't know. It's, it's grown. But you know, it helps that it's. When it is, it's the middle of almost the middle of November and there's nothing much else going on. And it's the season points finale for the World Outlaws both divisions. So you know, they've got, they've got a lot going for them right there, but when they have good weather, it's, it's great crowd.
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Craig Moore
Yeah, yeah, I think they, I think it's 10,000 people and they usually, you know, they, they usually do. You know, we, we've been talking about this for years now, but they usually do really sell it out. Like Kenny would say sardines Shoulder to shoulder. That, that is one of those real sellouts there. I remember Kenny, when you and I lived there, you could just tell the dirt racing people were coming in. There was racing T shirts everywhere.
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Kenny Schrader
There was. The, the last count I saw the other day was 480something cars far the Shark track nationals. Now they won't get that many cars this weekend, but they'll, they'll only have the three classes. But they'll have, they'll have good cars in all three classes. Good car counts. One East Alabama.
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Craig Moore
Did you see that? That the, the, the. The real winner was light at the scales.
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Kenny Schrader
Oh, you'll have that.
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Craig Moore
Yeah.
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Kenny Schrader
And you know how many times the.
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Craig Moore
Skills one time and I never got caught. You want to hear that story? It's called a Tom.
- [62:53]
Kenny Schrader
That was your first, your first feature win.
- [62:56]
Craig Moore
Oh, my first feature when driving for your brother in law, Pat Walsh.
- [63:02]
Kenny Schrader
No, no, I mean, I mean after you started.
- [63:05]
Craig Moore
Oh, after I started dirt racing, was it, was it that night at Atomic they renamed.
- [63:12]
Kenny Schrader
Was it?
- [63:14]
Craig Moore
I.
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Kenny Schrader
Wherever it was. You didn't.
- [63:17]
Craig Moore
He didn't.
- [63:17]
Kenny Schrader
He didn't make it through scales. It didn't. Wasn't quite.
- [63:21]
Craig Moore
Okay, so here's the story. It has a lot to do with Kenny Schrader's crew chief. So it is. It. It was a big race and I'm running third and, and I'm happy. I'm big time. I'm running third and, and I'm not really. I mean I'm learning. Kenny Schrader's teaching me how to run dirt and I had a good race and I'm running third and the guy's battling for the lead. They fly off the end of the track. I think it's a. They call it atomic now. And they fly off the track and I win the race. Now this is the first race that Billy Smith, my crew chief, we're running alcohol and we're burnt. This fuel's burning fast. We go to the scales and for like two seconds now I got my foot on, you know, ready to take off. I, I'm looking and, and, and everybody's gathered around because at that time it's illegal. Kenny Wallace. Oh my God, why is Kenny Wallace here? And all of a sudden I'm light by like two pounds. And all of a sudden I go heavy and, and the guy goes, come on. I mean this happens in three seconds and I go off the scales. We get to drink and Joey Walsh, Kenny Schrader's crew chief, says, I put my foot on the scales for you.
- [64:39]
Kenny Schrader
Yeah, yeah. He Did. Saw it. Didn't need. Didn't need to push down real hard, but need to push down a little bit.
- [64:46]
Craig Moore
Oh, my God. Yeah, that was. That was it. That was.
- [64:50]
Kenny Schrader
Oh.
- [64:50]
Craig Moore
Oh, my God. I told Donnie Jumper. Donnie was. No, it was Donnie Jumper. At that time, Donnie was my crew chief. I said, we gotta put more fuel in. Okay, we go to jokes, and then we'll finish it up with a couple things. What we got for jokes?
- [65:08]
Craig (Producer/Co-host)
All right, Now, I've searched long and hard for these jokes, so I know you have high standards.
- [65:15]
Craig Moore
No.
- [65:18]
Craig (Producer/Co-host)
Why did the coffee file a police report?
- [65:23]
Craig Moore
Why did the coffee file a police report?
- [65:29]
Kenny Schrader
He got mug.
- [65:30]
Craig Moore
Oh.
- [65:32]
Craig (Producer/Co-host)
Ladies and gentlemen, downtown.
- [65:36]
Kenny Schrader
Yep.
- [65:37]
Craig Moore
And what? And it's early out there, Kenny.
- [65:42]
Kenny Schrader
I get up early.
- [65:43]
Craig Moore
Yeah, you do.
- [65:45]
Craig (Producer/Co-host)
Number two, why can't your nose be 12 inches long?
- [65:52]
Craig Moore
I don't know. Can't eat Pinocchio.
- [65:57]
Craig (Producer/Co-host)
All right. Because then it would be a foot.
- [66:01]
Craig Moore
Okay. Hey, two good ones.
- [66:05]
Kenny Schrader
I like two good ones.
- [66:07]
Craig (Producer/Co-host)
All right. Finally. What kind of a tree fits in your hand?
- [66:14]
Kenny Schrader
Palm tree.
- [66:15]
Craig (Producer/Co-host)
Bingo. Look at Trader.
- [66:16]
Craig Moore
One of the smartest people in America. Ladies and gentlemen, Kenny Schrader. You are good. Hey, man, that was good. Three for Earnhardt. Three for Earnhardt. Okay, some tidbits, everybody. Two tidbits. I really like this. NASCAR recognized Sparky super fan. They went to every single race this year. And they were recognized in the NASCAR cup driver meeting. I saw a picture. It was a. Like a black bus or black something. But Kenny Sparky super fan. Not really sure, but I just thought it would be good for Herman Schrader. I mean, it just does tell us. My opinion is that there is a lot of good in nascar. And the people at the racetrack, they love nascar. Kenny.
- [67:07]
Craig (Producer/Co-host)
What?
- [67:08]
Kenny Schrader
This was a. A vehicle with a couple people that went every.
- [67:13]
Craig Moore
Yes.
- [67:14]
Kenny Schrader
Wow.
- [67:15]
Craig Moore
Yeah. How about that? Let me bring it up here. I can't find it right away. Maybe you can find it, Craig. But.
- [67:22]
Kenny Schrader
But.
- [67:23]
Craig Moore
But for. For NASCAR to stop the driver's meeting and recognize Sparky Superfan. Just the way it says they came to every single race this year. I believe it was painted black and it was some type of bus and just really a feel good story. So thank you to those people. A couple of them.
- [67:46]
Craig (Producer/Co-host)
Yeah. So I found his Facebook.
- [67:48]
Craig Moore
Okay, tell us what you see there.
- [67:50]
Craig (Producer/Co-host)
And what I see is a big black bus and his. Let's see. Lifelong NASCAR fan who travels to every Cup Series race, and a motor coach stopping at local short tracks in between.
- [68:06]
Kenny Schrader
Wow.
- [68:06]
Craig (Producer/Co-host)
We strive to bring people together through the world of motorsports by sharing Our experiences. Come follow along. Yeah, it's a big RV bus. He's got a. He's got his own clothing line, and he's got a lot of pictures on his Facebook page at all the different tracks and experiences. And this is actually pretty cool. I like this a lot.
- [68:31]
Kenny Schrader
You need to do something with them.
- [68:33]
Craig Moore
Oh, we do, don't we? Okay, this is the perfect time to insert this, everybody. We still got a little bit more tidbits. Mark Martin is coming to town, and we will be going out to Kenny Schrader racing with Mark Martin. We are going to. We are. We got two mics. We're going to mic up Kenny Schrader, the man you're looking at, with Mark Martin. And Charlie Marlowe is going to run it all. And we're gonna watch Kenny Schrader give Mark Martin a tour. We'll put that on YouTube. Kenny, are you looking forward to Mark coming to your shop?
- [69:07]
Kenny Schrader
Yeah, we'll talk about doing all that stuff. I thought you were just coming out, but damn it.
- [69:11]
Craig Moore
Come on now. Oh, you mean. Oh, we got. Yeah, but this is big. Mark's coming to straight erasing. Okay, well, maybe we won't. Everybody, maybe we won't. And I understand. Sorry about that, Kenny. No, it's exciting, but Mark is coming here and he says. He has said for two years. I love that coffee with Kenny. Your hair's all messed up. You got them glasses on. So Mark and his son Matt are rolling up the driveway in their bus and, man, I tell you what, I just talk about a shock. Mark Martin. Does this mean he's more messed up than me, Kenny?
- [69:58]
Kenny Schrader
No, no, no. We're pretty high up there. It'd be hard to be more messy.
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Craig (Producer/Co-host)
Okay, so, Kenny, what do you put in your coffee?
- [70:07]
Craig Moore
French vanilla creamer. A little bit. Just a little bit.
- [70:12]
Craig (Producer/Co-host)
A little bit.
- [70:13]
Craig Moore
That's it.
- [70:13]
Kenny Schrader
Just wondering.
- [70:14]
Craig Moore
Yeah, I'm crazy. I'm very off centered. There's three of me. You know, there's three of me.
- [70:20]
Kenny Schrader
We knew it was either that or Bailey's.
- [70:23]
Craig (Producer/Co-host)
That's what I. I was expecting Bailey's or something along those lines.
- [70:29]
Craig Moore
I'm not meant for everybody. There's no doubt.
- [70:31]
Kenny Schrader
Some.
- [70:32]
Craig Moore
Like I've said before, sometimes I wear me out. I'm like, would you sh.
- [70:36]
Kenny Schrader
What's the three of you?
- [70:38]
Craig Moore
Well, there's the. Okay, there. There's the. The guy that pays bills, saves money, gets the license on the cars, personal property tax, takes care of the family. That's. That's the number one guy. I pay all the Bills. Okay, so there's that guy. Then the other guy is kind of like the. You know, the racer. When you go to the racetrack, soon as they go in that pit gate, it's just, like, glazed over. And you're that way, too. Kenny. Kenny Schrader, you know, when he goes to racetrack, I know a thing about, too, about Schrader. He gets intense, too. There's. That's the second guy. I can be goofier than hell. And then when I go to that racetrack, it's just. It's a different me. The third one is the guy on social media where I spar and I. And. And, you know, it's kind of like when they throw a brick at me, I throw a block back. That's the three. And I. I like all of me. And, And. And it does take different techniques to change into all those people. You know, it's. It is. But I, I.
- [71:54]
Kenny Schrader
It make.
- [71:54]
Craig Moore
I make it work. You know, it works out.
- [71:57]
Kenny Schrader
Okay, so Mikey Waltrip used to say that he could drive down the carpool lane by himself because he had so many, so many, so many different people in his head. It was amazing.
- [72:10]
Craig Moore
Yeah, I. I know it confuses a lot of people, but I like me, I'm having a good time. Okay, we're going to end it like this, everybody. I don't know who it was at nascar. Kenny, do you know who Sydney Sweeney is?
- [72:27]
Kenny Schrader
No.
- [72:28]
Craig Moore
Okay. Sydney Sweeney is one of the. She is beautiful. She made world news. Sydney Sweeney has great genes. The gap. And so about three, four months ago, she made world news, and it got political. Well, she's also a great actress. Sydney Sweeney. NASCAR somehow got her to come to Phoenix, and she was front and center, and she reminded me of Britney Spears. She had that white jacket on. And our man Noah Graxon was the first one to do it. Walked right up to her at Sydney, and she jumped right up. And Craig, how in the hell did NASCAR get the most famous lady in America or the world right now? How did Sydney Sweeney end up coming to that race?
- [73:26]
Craig (Producer/Co-host)
I was. When she walked out on stage, I was just as surprised as you were. I had no idea that she was going to be there. I did see something on social media a little before that, but I thought maybe she was just hanging out.
- [73:39]
Craig Moore
Oh, man. I'm telling you what NASCAR hit now. She's. She's a great actress, but she's as pretty as she is an actress. And she is a superstar beyond belief right now. She is the lady. And she got a great movie coming out A true movie where she plays a boxer, a lady boxer. And her, her promoter, her husband ends up kill like trying to kill her, shooting her, knifing her. She lives. True story. But she lives through this.
- [74:13]
Kenny Schrader
And.
- [74:15]
Craig Moore
But Sydney Sweeney, a great actress made. Made world news with promoting jeans for the Gap. And it said Sydney Sweeney has great genes.
- [74:29]
Kenny Schrader
I've just been past a note. What's it, what's it say? That's exactly what she was. I mean Annie, I was delivered. I was delivered coffee and passed it. No, that. That was her deal. Some jeans. Yeah, she doesn't have a problem. It's 8:30 in the morning, she's down there, went to get coffee and 100 hours. She don't have a. Kim should have.
- [74:51]
Craig Moore
Been with you and she'd have been down there with you early in the morning. Well, you two have a good time in Vegas. Winter. How long you staying out there?
- [75:00]
Kenny Schrader
Gotta get back Thursday night, baby.
- [75:02]
Craig Moore
That's right.
- [75:03]
Kenny Schrader
I've federated $parts I55 raceway. I'm not racing Thursday of Thursday's practice. But Travis mirrors from Hawkeye Enterprises. Travis and Scott Travis is going to run take a couple of practice laps Thursday night. He's going to run one of my B mods Saturday night or Friday and Saturday if we can get his fat ass through the window.
- [75:33]
Craig Moore
Well, all right everybody. First of all, tell Anne I love her. I hear her in the background. Craig Moore. Thank you. Okay everybody, we've all talked. We are going to have a neat little meeting. But Herman Schrader will roll on. It will roll on. I'm gonna go on a cruise in December. But we, we will. We will be on. But we could be in and out. You never know. Rick Mass could be on, but the holidays are right around the corner. Anything else, guys?
- [76:07]
Kenny Schrader
Enjoyed it. Looking forward to the next one.
- [76:10]
Craig Moore
That's right. Okay, until the next Herman Schrader show. We'll see you all next time, everybody. Bye bye.
- [76:18]
Kenny Schrader
Hi.
- [76:24]
Craig Moore
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