Charlotte: The SVG Show ROVALs On

Summary

Podcast Summary: Herm & Schrader — “Charlotte: The SVG Show ROVALs On”

Date: October 8, 2025
Hosts: Kenny Wallace (Herman) & Ken Schrader
Produced by: SiriusXM, Dirty Mo Media

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Overview

This episode captures Kenny Wallace and Ken Schrader at their most candid and entertaining, as they recap an eventful NASCAR weekend in Charlotte—dominated by Shane van Gisbergen (SVG), cover the drama and strategy of the ROVAL race, debate the points system, share tributes and stories about racing legends like Harry Gant, and delve into the ongoing NASCAR charter system lawsuit. Packed with strong opinions, sharp humor, and old-school storytelling, the two Kennys offer a ride through the sport’s present and history, maintaining their signature irreverence and love for racing.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

Host Catch-Up and Recent Racing Activities

[01:46–05:35]

• Kenny Schrader and Herman Wallace catch up on life, racing schedules, and family. Wallace is in North Carolina after being invited on Harvick’s show and spending time with his mother and brother.
  • “My God, she's 88 years old racing a flat cart.” — Herman, about his mom (03:47)
• Schrader recaps Federated ‘play days’ (taking guests to tracks, letting them drive, eating, tuning up for Turkey Derby).
  • Shares thoughts on the Brownstown $10k multi-day race: “I'm not a big fan of those multi day races.” (05:54)
  • Big discussion on aging and preferences in scheduling:
    • “It doesn't make any difference. You have three days, whether you're 20 or 60.” — Schrader (06:48)

The Charlotte ROVAL Race & Playoff Drama

[08:29–13:54]

• Both dissect the thrilling playoff implications of the Charlotte ROVAL:
  • “The race was so damn exciting yesterday. And if we don't have the playoffs, we don't have those moments.” — Herman (09:28)
  • Tire strategy and pit stops were “like a Formula One race.” (10:06)
  • The fight for the final playoff spot (8th): “Who in the hell would give a crap about 8th place in the points with four races to go if it wasn’t for the playoffs?” — Schrader (10:42)
• SVG’s dominance on road courses (winning every road course this year, tying Denny Hamlin for most wins, tying Jeff Gordon’s five road course wins in a row):
  • “He never wrecked, he never had part failure, and he flat won five road course races…now he is tied with the most wins with Denny Hamlin. To me, that is worthy of hero.” — Herman (12:23)
  • “That he did that good in all those races…I mean, that he — as a driver — but also a big attaboy to the team and the pit crew.” — Schrader (12:55)

Key Moments, Driver Interactions, and ROVAL Highlight Reel

[16:09–23:46]

• Inside race story: Wallace had dinner right after the race and ran into Kyle Larson—no one recognized the “greatest race car driver of our era” at the restaurant, to Herman’s disappointment (18:47).
• Ross Chastain’s wild last-lap bid to make the playoffs:
  • “Ross Chastain had enough self awareness to put that thing in reverse and hit the gas wide open. He was smoking the tires going backwards.” — Herman (21:54)
  • “It was a valiant effort but it had like, you know, maybe 10% chance of working…” — Schrader (22:11)
• Hypothetical: If Chastain had wrecked Hamlin to get in, would NASCAR allow it?
  • “Anything isn't legal to get in the playoffs…” — Schrader (23:46)
• Rumors and fan perspectives: Some think Denny Hamlin “should not have passed” Chastain, fearing Logano is “too tough a competitor.”
  • “I am not going to play with the fans…if there's talk on the radio and they find evidence that you’ve changed the outcome… We've seen this in past NASCAR history.” — Herman (25:28)

Points System Rants and Historical Parallels

[28:23–33:53]

• Debate on “true” champions: If playoff format “steals” the title from the most dominant regular season drivers (Corey Heim, Connor Zillich, etc.).
  • “No, it’s not NASCAR’s fault because when we all went Daytona in February, we knew what the point system was…” — Schrader (28:57)
  • Recounts years when Rusty Wallace and Bill Elliott lost titles despite many wins.
• Mantra for fans: “Points are just a way to keep track, however you add them up. But individual races, you just keep winning those things and see where you wind up.” — Schrader (33:34)
• Fan pushback: “If we just change the point system, millions of people will start watching NASCAR again. And I call bull. I think that’s the stupidest thing.” — Herman (32:31)
  • Schrader points out the current racing is as good as it’s ever been, even if old fans grumble about points.

NASCAR Lawsuit & Charter System Controversy

[33:53–42:01]

• Roger Penske’s statement: “The new next gen car is saving NASCAR. It is cheaper...and the racing is really good.” (35:08)
• All 15 car owners want the lawsuit to end — fearing the charter system could be devalued or abolished if NASCAR loses. Joe Gibbs echoes the urgency.
  • “NASCAR made a mistake trying to please everybody. And they started the charter system. They should have never started the charter system.” — Herman (38:35)
• Schrader skeptical: “I wonder about charters sometimes…it’s not like you can start an NFL team, but you always could start a Cup team…I'm over it. Obviously, we’re going to just wait and find out.”

Dirt Racing Recap & Weekend Plans

[43:00–47:19]

• Both watched major dirt races remotely:
  • Lucas Oil in Pittsburgh: “That place looks amazing…Love that slick everywhere.”
  • World of Outlaws at Williams Grove: “PA Posse won Friday night…Sheldon Haudenschild won Saturday.”
  • World of Outlaws Late Models: Bobby Pierce penalized for adjusting air pressures after presenting his car to the chute, had to start last but rallied to 11th.
• Pierce’s penalty explained: “It had to be a brain fade because they run this series every week.” — Herman (45:44)
• Lucas Oil points tight: “There’s 15 points, I think, between Devin [Moran] and RTJ [Ricky Thornton Jr.].” — Schrader (46:33)

Harry Gant Hall of Fame Tribute & Storytime

[47:19–52:43]

• Wallace shares a Hall of Fame stage moment: Asks Gant about his 4-in-a-row streak, Gant credits “this right foot, not the camber.” (48:24)
• Schrader relays wisdom from Harry Gant: Gant would advise letting faster cars go early, lest you both lose time: “We're just racing the leader…don't jack with me, and I won’t jack with you.” (49:11)
  • “Harry was great. Handsome Harry.” — Both
• Alan Kulwicki connection: Kulwicki kept a comb in his glovebox to look presentable post-race.

Final NASCAR Pulse & Survey

[52:43–54:21]

• Fan race approval poll: “Was the Roval a good one?” 57% yes, 43% no.
  • “I'm a glass half full guy.” — Schrader (54:07)
• Tire strategy praised for creating drama and unpredictability.

Remembering Racing Legends & Closing Plans

[54:44–56:39]

• Tribute to Bobby Allen, “the original outlaw”, who passed away at 81: “He bounced his ass all over the country. He was like the original outlaw.” — Schrader (55:57)
• Upcoming schedule:
  • Schrader headed to Denver for Federated; David Stremmy in town, possible racing together.
  • Wallace running at Federated Auto Parts Raceway Park.
  • More discussion promised for next week.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the 3-night race formats:
  “I'm not a big fan of those multi day races.” — Kenny Schrader (05:54)
• SVG’s unprecedented year:
  “To me, that is worthy of hero. That's incredible.” — Herman Wallace (12:23)
• On playoff drama:
  “Who in the hell would give a crap about 8th place in the points with four races to go if it wasn't for the playoffs?” — Kenny Schrader (10:42)
• On Chastain’s bold reverse move:
  “Ross Chastain had enough self awareness to put that thing in reverse and hit the gas wide open...” — Herman Wallace (21:54)
• Fan perspective on points system changes:
  “If we just change the point system, millions of people will start watching NASCAR again. And I call bull. I think that's the stupidest thing.” — Herman Wallace (32:31)
• Harry Gant’s self-deprecating wit:
  “It was not the camber. It was this right foot that won all those races in a row.” — Harry Gant (as quoted by Herman, 48:24)
• On fan and NASCAR owner lawsuits:
  “You don’t talk bad about my brother… but I will.” — Herman Wallace (40:37)

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Segment Timestamps

• Opening banter, donuts, age conversation: 01:46–07:12
• Recapping their racing weekends: 04:27–08:29
• Charlotte race excitement, SVG’s streak: 08:29–13:54
• Larson dinner sighting & ROVAL battles: 16:09–21:54
• Chastain’s “reverse” moment and rules debate: 21:54–23:46
• Playoff what-ifs, Denny vs. Logano: 23:46–26:48
• Points system controversy/history lessons: 28:23–33:53
• Charter lawsuit discussion, Penske’s statements: 33:53–42:01
• Dirt racing recap: 43:00–47:19
• Harry Gant tributes and classic stories: 47:19–52:43
• Fan survey and race approval: 52:43–54:21
• Bobby Allen tribute, schedules, closing: 54:44–end

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Closing Thoughts

The episode’s unfiltered banter, sharp race analysis, and deep racing roots make it essential listening for longtime fans. Beyond celebrating SVG’s Charlotte dominance, Herm & Schrader dive into NASCAR’s playoff structure, evolving business landscape, and the rich tradition and characters of the sport—ensuring racing’s past and present always remain “epically historic…and always hilarious.”

Transcript

[Herman Schrader]

Morning, Zoe.

[Kenny Schrader]

Got donuts.

[Herman Schrader]

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[Herman Schrader]

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[Kenny Schrader]

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[Kenny Schrader]

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[Herman Schrader]

Herman Schrader on the Dirty Mo Media platform from the Middle of America in St. Louis, Missouri starts right now. The following is a production of Dirty Mo Media. I'm looking at Kenny Schrader right now.

[Kenny Schrader]

He is a drinker in the show. I mean. Yeah.

[Herman Schrader]

How in the world did we agree to do a podcast?

[Kenny Schrader]

I like spending time with you.

[Herman Schrader]

That makes me happy.

[Kenny Schrader]

Well, it's all about making you happy.

[Herman Schrader]

We're always honest.

[Kenny Schrader]

We don't know that we're not in trouble already, you know, and sometimes truthful. What makes you think you're not a little different?

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You're weird.

[Kenny Schrader]

Good.

[Herman Schrader]

Herman Schrader.

[Kenny Schrader]

I know you're starting off with a lie already.

[Herman Schrader]

You're right. It's a wild lie.

[Kenny Schrader]

Yeah. I'm close to the middle of America, you know, Ditmer, Missouri. And I know you're not in this time zone.

[Herman Schrader]

Yeah, I am at my old house and. Your old house. Where did we live for over 27 years, Kenny.

[Kenny Schrader]

Well, I was. Concord, yeah. Concord, North Carolina.

[Herman Schrader]

Yep. So because we did trackside live at the Charlotte Motor Speedway on Sunday, Kevin Harvick asked me to be on Happy Harvick. And that's an honor. That's kind of like. It's kind of like, you know, here, I'll imitate you. You know, it's like Harvick asked me to do this, so spent the night with mom and it gave me a better reason. Spent another night with mom and went to dinner with brother Mike. And so I want to thank Devin Velike here at the Fox studios. That's where I'm at. I'm at the Fox studios and Devin set us up. Thank you, Devin and everybody here at Fox. And yeah, that's where I'm at.

[Kenny Schrader]

I saw those photos of your mama and her birthday. She was 80. What? 80.

[Herman Schrader]

So.

[Kenny Schrader]

But I saw her on the go kart.

[Herman Schrader]

Yeah. So I jumped the conclusion a little bit. I said it wrong, but you're right. So mom is going to be 88 this month, October 27th. And my point was, my God, she's 88 years old racing a flat cart.

[Kenny Schrader]

Great, great, great.

[Herman Schrader]

Okay. Big week this time. It's just you and I, which is a little different. Craig Moore is out on family duties and the show rolls on. Now listen, I know what you did because I saw it. What did you do over the weekend?

[Kenny Schrader]

We already know.

[Herman Schrader]

Okay, everybody.

[Kenny Schrader]

No, we went. No, we did play days all week and, and last week for. That's for Federated. When we take cars to a racetrack and they bring out customers and we let them drive and, and we give them a ride in two seater and then we eat lunch and go somewhere the next next day do it. So we did that every day last week and then got home late Saturday, Friday night. Sunday, Friday night. So Saturday we just went down Springfield, Missouri, Jerry Hoffman's track. Neat little place. I got a big race coming up in November. We always go to Turkey Derby, which you've been down there with us.

[Herman Schrader]

Yeah.

[Kenny Schrader]

And we just kind of made a little tune up for that. And we were fortunate enough to win, but we weren't good enough. We were. We just. We won, but we weren't good enough. So we'll make some work on it and go back. So I only got to race one time this weekend.

[Herman Schrader]

But you were busy. I saw on social media your crew chief, somebody said, hey, Joey Walsh, how come Kenny Schrader was not at the $10,000 to win at Brownstown? And Joey Answered it perfectly. Schrader's not in town, man. He come in late Friday night.

[Kenny Schrader]

So it's not 10,000 to win because you got. I mean it's 10,000 to win, but it's. You got to split that up by three nights. So. And then you got to subtract the entry fees and everything. So those. I'm not a big fan of those multi day races.

[Herman Schrader]

See, that's what I like about you. You always debull everything.

[Kenny Schrader]

Yeah, you're.

[Herman Schrader]

You're right. It's three nights.

[Kenny Schrader]

It's. It's. You know, you didn't have to be there Thursday, that's optional, but you can't really give it up. But you have a problem. Friday night. I like running for money Thursday night. Running for money Friday night. Run for money Saturday night. You have a flat qualifying or in your heat race Friday night.

[Herman Schrader]

Oh yeah, you're done.

[Kenny Schrader]

You've screwed yourself for Saturday night, not just Friday night. So I'd rather go someplace that has three different shows now. I do them every now and then, but it's not, it's not my preference.

[Herman Schrader]

I agree with you. Especially when we get older. I mean, yes, it pays 10,000 win.

[Kenny Schrader]

But friggin saying when you get older, you are what you are. I don't care how old you are. It's just the way it is. Okay? Doesn't make any difference. You have three days, whether you're 20 or 60. Okay? It doesn't make any difference.

[Herman Schrader]

What I like about this, everybody is I just hit a nerve.

[Kenny Schrader]

Yes, you did. You're always. I'm. I'm this old and I'm doing this. Well, that's just. You don't have to do it if you don't want this. That's how old you are.

[Herman Schrader]

This is a great highlight. This is a great. That's what I like about Kenny. He always lets me know where I stand with him. We will never talk about age again.

[Kenny Schrader]

I won't. You will.

[Herman Schrader]

I love you. Okay, so let's just stay on this topic just for a minute and we'll move on to what I did. 10,000 win. You have to stay here three days. You got an entry fee, you got pit passes. It's a lot, but.

[Kenny Schrader]

But the B model, it's a good payoff.

[Herman Schrader]

Okay, well, you made your point and I do like that major point. Okay, myself. What did I do? Well, there was no a mod racing around the St. Louis area. We are, as Kenny always says, there's a lot of racing left, just not every week. And if you want to travel, we can. We could. We could have went to Fairberry, but that was four hours away, and it was on a Saturday night. And my responsibility was trackside live on Sunday, so we did track side live in. Kenny, I wish. I know you couldn't, but I'm just saying I wish you could experience what I experienced. Saw Harry Gant. He was on our show.

[Kenny Schrader]

He looked good.

[Herman Schrader]

Saw him from 20 foot away, and I thought, damn, I think he can still race. Well, then he started limping a little bit and got the hearing aid in. And then I said, harry, you look so good. You look like you can race. And he goes, you know, I'm 86. I said, you look. You look good, Harry. And boy, we were celebrating Harry Gantt and Kurt Busch. And then, of course, Ray Hendrick, who is not alive anymore. Those three are going into the NASCAR hall of Fame. And Ray Hendrick's kids, they were there. And Kenny, is there any better logo besides yours in racing in that Ray Hendrick logo?

[Kenny Schrader]

That Ray Hendrick logo with the. I guess you call it wings, but it. Yeah, that always very famous and just looked good. It looked good. Like going fast, you know, just sitting there.

[Herman Schrader]

All right, we told you what Kenny did, what I did, and I'll be headed back to St. Louis. And Kenny, just start like this. I'm going to steal one from you. Playoffs. Did you. I mean, that I'm. I'm stuttering. Because the race was so damn exciting yesterday. And if we don't have the playoffs, we don't have those moments.

[Kenny Schrader]

Yeah, well, yesterday was, you know, with the tire fall off.

[Herman Schrader]

Yeah.

[Kenny Schrader]

Was amazing when you see. And it was like a Formula one race. We're going to stop this. Are we going three stop this? You know, because the tires and. I mean, I. I watched some of it in the shop. I've watched the majority of it in the shop. And Anne's like, why in the hell would they pit? You know, with this. Made it go. I said, because they're gonna run four seconds a lap faster when they come out. And pit stops are so quick now. You know, I mean, they do the math and figure it out. They're better. The playoffs gets decided on for eighth place. The last place in the playoffs gets decided on a tiebreaker, Right?

[Herman Schrader]

Yeah.

[Kenny Schrader]

Okay, so we're watching a race and three laps to go. And she's like, this is pretty intense. And I laugh. And what's funny? I said, well, okay, stop. Think about this. We got four races to go in the Cup Series. They're racing between Logano and Chastain. They're racing for eighth place in points. Who in the hell would give a crap about 8th place in the points with four races to go if it wasn't for the playoffs?

[Herman Schrader]

Yeah. I mean, I couldn't have said it any better.

[Kenny Schrader]

That's why I said it, but yeah.

[Herman Schrader]

God, I love you. That's where we insert. This is where we insert. Hey, Kenny Schrader, will you do Herman Schrader? Yeah. My job is just to correct you, right, Herman? Yeah.

[Kenny Schrader]

I don't correct you.

[Herman Schrader]

Let's go back so we can go forward. This is an unbelievable statement that I'm gonna say, and I just. I want to prep you for it. The winningest driver this year tied with Denny Hamlin. Okay, So I know it's a cliche. Denny Hamlin and Shane Van Gisbergen, svg, those two have won the most races in the cup series this year. So let's go to Shane Van Gisbergen for a minute. Kenny, he just got done winning every road course this year. Not as in here. I want to give my opinion. Yes, he's good, but they got to make all the right pit stops. They can't have any issues. I mean, it's got to be a phenomenal situation for him to win every road course. He's won five cup races, and I get a bigger kick out of the fact that he never wrecked, he never had part failure, and he flat won five road course races, and now he is tied with the most wins with Denny Hamlin. To me, that is worthy of hero. That's incredible.

[Kenny Schrader]

Yeah, well, it's pretty amazing that. That he did that good in all those races. I mean, that he. As a driver, but also a big attaboy to the team and the pit crew that prepared him that car and got him in and out of the pits and made the strategy calls to. To make that work. Now, when he. That was his sixth cup win. Fifth in a row. All five this year. Fifth road course in a row, which he tied a record there. You know who he tied?

[Herman Schrader]

I don't. Tell me that one.

[Kenny Schrader]

He tied Jeff Gordon, who ran. Who won five cup race, five road course races in a row. So guess what? When Jeff Gordon won that record or beat, you know, set that record, I said, oh, that'll never be beat. Well, guess what? That wasn't that many years later.

[Herman Schrader]

Okay, so that's our tribute to svg.

[Kenny Schrader]

He's great. And the neatest part. I'm sorry, I'm talking a lot. So the neatest part is he keeps getting better on the mobiles too.

[Herman Schrader]

Yeah. Yeah. I think he did pretty good at Kansas last week. He got him itself a. I don't know about Kansas, but I know he's pulled off a top 10 here lately, so he's coming. Hey, this is Dalenhardt Jr. And for the latest Herman Schrader gear, you need to go to shop.dirtymomedia.com We've got plenty of options for everybody and we're adding new stuff all the time, so go to shop.dirtymomedia.com when it comes to money, you deserve to feel safe from fraud and in control. And that's what you get with Cash App. Instantly lock or unlock your card with one tap. If a suspicious charge appears, Cash App declines it and alerts you with security. Lock face ID or biometrics. Protect your account. Order a Cash App card today at Cash App Card. For a limited time only, new Cash App customers can use our exclusive code to earn some additional cash. For real. Just download Cash App, use our exclusive referral code, secure 10 in your profile. Send $5 to a friend within 14 days and you'll get $10 dropped right into your account. Terms apply. That's money. That's Cash App. Cash App is a financial services platform, not a bank. Banking services provided by Cash App's bank partners. Prepaid debit cards issued by Sutton bank member fdic. Instant discounts provided by Cash App, a Block Incorporated brand. Visit Cash App legal podcast for full disclosures.

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[Herman Schrader]

Okay, now let's go back. You know, we had to because there's people going, they're not even talking about the winner. I'm like, right, because he's gone svg. There's no battle for the lead. That's why they're not talking about him. But all right, let's go back. So.

[Kenny Schrader]

But there was good battles throughout the race, man. Larson, him, Larson and Bell. I mean Larson, Bell and. And svg. Right, right there. When Larson beat on him a little bit when SVG got into Larson and he didn't like that and Larson made his life miserable for. For a lap and then when he got back around him, and then when SVG came the second time, he claimed came without any contact, and Larson let him go. But he made it pretty clear that, okay, I won't you. If you can pass me, pass me, but not that way. So I. I thought that was pretty cool.

[Herman Schrader]

A ch. Change same subject, but just gotta say this. You know, you and I live in St. Louis now. Of course, you're in Ditmer, Missouri. I'm in Arnold, Missouri, but so I'm. I'm down here staying at mom's house, you know, in, you know, Charlotte, North Carolina, whatever you want to call it. And we go to 131 Maine to eat last night with brother Mike and mom. And we're eating, and all of a sudden, you know, we're just a couple hours removed from the big race at Charlotte, and we're sitting there eating, and all of a sudden I feel a tap on her shoulder, and it's Kyle Larson, Caitlin, Sweet, all their kids. And I just think it's worthy of saying that I kind of forgot a little bit what it's like, you know, down here. You see this race play out all over the world, and a couple hours later, we're eating, and the guy that made this race so famous. And I do want to say this. I know it's. I don't want you to get mad at me, but I'm going to say it because it needs to be said. Nobody recognized him, and that disappointed me. Here's Kyle Larson, one of the greatest race car drivers of our era, walks in 131Maine, and I mean right here in Charlotte, and nobody recognized him. Of course, anybody can think whatever they want to think of it, but I just. That disappointed me. I did.

[Kenny Schrader]

You. You sure nobody recognized him or. No way. Nobody came up and bothered him.

[Herman Schrader]

Well, that's what changed then. Because in the day that, you know, they would. In our day, they'd say, Mr. Schrader, I don't mean to interrupt your meal, but so. So, yeah, Kyle Larson does a hell of a job. They battle it out. The main players are there. Okay, so switching subject, but same subject, everybody. Last lap. Ross Chastain. Now, how. How does Ross Chastain. He keeps defining playoff moments. He rides the wall at Martinsville a couple years ago. I mean, coming to the checkered at Martinsville. Hey, Ross, you gotta pass five cars. I do. He rides the wall. And that car is on display at track house. Hail melon. Okay, so here we are a couple years later. Now we're at the roval and they're like Ross on the last lap. Come to the check Ross. You are tied with Joey Logano. You gotta pass Denny Hamlin.

[Kenny Schrader]

Yeah. Yeah. He didn't defy the odds this time.

[Herman Schrader]

But he backed up. Did you see that?

[Kenny Schrader]

Because, because he's not in the chase. You know, if he'd have got in chase now the only thing. And I watched his interview and he was very, he was very down on himself. So he just didn't do it good. And we had the pit road miscue and I forget what the other one was. Yeah. So that's, I hate them because it's, it's hard to blame that on somebody else. You know when it's, when you, when the driver makes a mistake. But it looked like last lap to me that whatever turn it is where they come back out. That come back out and turn one of the oval, that's where Denny got around. Looked like he butchered that turn a little bit which he was out there on old, old tires. And I know it's terribly easy to do but Denny was Arnie. But he wasn't, he wasn't there there yet. And now Denny's and Denny's interview. Denny got around him clean stuff. And Ross did the Hail Mary on the last turn and it didn't work out and they, they both wound up losing more spots. But we saw that a couple years ago with Jimmy Johnson and Truex. Was it Truex the same situation. Denny's interview. He said I had no idea that Ross needed that one spot. I didn't do this net. And it's. Oh, that's hard, hard to believe. But maybe his spotter wasn't. I mean they weren't worried about 8th and points because they didn't have to be. All I know is it was exciting.

[Herman Schrader]

And I just wanna, I wanna highlight this. Ross Chastain had enough self awareness to put that thing in reverse and hit the gas wide open. And I, I mean he, he backed up. He was smoking the tires going backwards.

[Kenny Schrader]

Well they, they, they said on the TV broadcast it's. But you know when someone else that finished ahead of him did that same thing but I never saw highlights of it but someone else had spun there and backed up too. But yeah, it was a valiant effort but it was a, it had like you know, maybe 10 chance of working when he smoked in there to hit him, you know on the last turn because it just wasn't going to work.

[Herman Schrader]

So let, let's play devil's advocate just for the Sake of Herman Schrader show. He go. He smokes in there. And he clearly knows he's gonna clean Denny Hamlin out. Just clean out.

[Kenny Schrader]

He's gonna.

[Herman Schrader]

NASCAR let that go.

[Kenny Schrader]

I wouldn't think so.

[Herman Schrader]

Right.

[Kenny Schrader]

You know, if. If it had a different ending, I wouldn't think so. You'd have to put it in the exact same category as Austin Dillon a couple years ago. It wasn't for the win, but it was to be in the Chase.

[Herman Schrader]

Good memory.

[Kenny Schrader]

So I think you'd have to put it in that same same category. He drove in where he was in trouble.

[Herman Schrader]

He was. But not as much elbows.

[Kenny Schrader]

Yeah. Not as much trouble as Denny was in. But Denny wasn't. Didn't know about it for sure that it was coming.

[Herman Schrader]

I tell you what, that's why Kenny Schrader always straightens him out. Good memory, Kenny. So for that exact. If for some reason, everybody. Ross would have not spun out. Kenny Schrader just reminded us that he would have got DQ.

[Kenny Schrader]

Because I'm not saying he would have got DQ'd. I'm saying, you know, that it was going to get looked at because it's like, hey, anything isn't legal to get in the playoffs. You know, we still have some Austin.

[Herman Schrader]

Dylan at Richmond last year, so it would have been the same thing. Okay, now this one we got to talk about. Just because I don't understand it. I just don't understand this. There is controversy out there right now. Now it's. This is funny stuff, and we're both going to go, what the hell? Why are we even talking about this? But it's the way people are thinking, okay? They're thinking that now this is them, not me. It sounds so stupid. Denny Hamlin should not have passed him because Joey Logano is a tough competitor, and now Joey's going to win the championship. The. Do you understand how weird that sounds? But that's what they're all saying.

[Kenny Schrader]

You know, luckily. Luckily neither one of them were a teammate.

[Herman Schrader]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Kenny Schrader]

That's. That's. That's a good thing. Luckily, neither one of them. Teammate. And, you know, there's that rule. I don't know how the wording is or what rule, what number it is, or. But it's like you're supposed to have to drive your car to your maximum all the time. So if he gained two seconds on him in the last couple laps and then fouled him around, what do you do there?

[Herman Schrader]

And let me add to this, everybody, let's. Let's just give Denny Hamlin A lot of credit. He's not a dummy. He's super smart. I'm not going to play with the fans. You know, the fans have fun. They act stupid. They, oh, Denny Hammond's stupid. He's a joker. Well, let me just say this to everybody. If I'm Denny Hamlin, I deny this till the cows come home. Because we, we've seen this in, in past NASCAR history. If you, if there's talk on the radio and they find evidence that you've changed the outcome of nascar like we saw happen at Richmond. Hey, is your shoulder itching? Yeah. You know, I mean, we all know what happened there with Clint Boyer spinning out on purpose and Michael Walter racing going down. So I think Denny Hamlin, in every single interview, whether he did or didn't know Danny Hamlin is, is saying all the right things. Look, I didn't know. But I also think it's equally as crazy for everybody to go, well, you should have had Ross Chastain because he's not going to be as competitive as Joey Logano. And now everybody's like, now Joey Logano going to win the championship. I'm like, y' all are from a different planet.

[Kenny Schrader]

Yeah, if he does, he just did his job better than everybody else for the last four weeks.

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[Kenny Schrader]

Hello.

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[Herman Schrader]

This next one, okay, we can parlay everything right here. You know, you and I, you know, it's like it is what it is and we get frustrated, but there's this talk out there that if Corey Heim doesn't win the championship, it's going to be a tragedy. I said, oh, I got one better for you. Connor Zillow just won his 10th Xfinity.

[Kenny Schrader]

Race.

[Herman Schrader]

So we're going to go to Phoenix and we Got. Now there's a lot to unpack here, Kenny, but it's crazy. Connor Zillich and Corey Heim have Both won almost 10 races. Well, Connors won 10 races. So if they don't win the championship, is it NASCAR's fault?

[Kenny Schrader]

Well, they, they both won 10 so far, right? Yes.

[Herman Schrader]

Yeah, they can win way more.

[Kenny Schrader]

Yeah. No, it's not NASCAR's fault because when we all went Daytona in February, we knew what the point system was and we knew what you had to do to win the point system. So if you didn't win it, I mean, you, you knew what deal was. Now I heard you learned something the other day.

[Herman Schrader]

Yep.

[Kenny Schrader]

A lot, you know. Yeah. Your brother Rusty.

[Herman Schrader]

Yep.

[Kenny Schrader]

With the.

[Herman Schrader]

All.

[Kenny Schrader]

With the old, with the old tried and proven point system that they had forever had a 10 race win year. What year was that?

[Herman Schrader]

93, I think it was. Rusty won 10 races and, and Dale Senior won way less and Dale Senior won the championship. And I want, I want to give you more material because I want to Hear your thoughts. 1985, Bill Elliott won 11 races and Daryl Walter won three. So the. These people, these fans, I want the 30. I want the true champion. So if we go back to the old days, that means Connor Zillich right now and Corey Haim will have already wrapped up the championship because they're so far ahead in points.

[Kenny Schrader]

If they want to go. I mean, the people that want to go back to the old championship, it'd be because they're. Those guys have already shown their superior so far this year and won all those races. So I mean, I can understand that, why they would think that. I can also understand why someone likes the playoffs. It's a, it's a preference. And you're not going to make everyone happy, which we found out. We can't make a lot of people happy like now. You know, it's like last yesterday. You know, there was times that the leader was. I don't know how many, how far ahead did SVG win by? 1. Was it 13 seconds or something or.

[Herman Schrader]

It was.

[Kenny Schrader]

I don't know what.

[Herman Schrader]

It wasn't worthy of showing. Yeah.

[Kenny Schrader]

But that was because of pit stops and everything else. The racing was great.

[Herman Schrader]

It was really good.

[Kenny Schrader]

Yeah. And they. The amount of yellows was. Guess what? Those guys got it figured out because they're not. They didn't have that many yellows.

[Herman Schrader]

So I just want to stay here for a minute and I want to ask for your forgiveness because I know it's aggravating and it is aggravating. To me, too. There is this uproar that we know our hero Mark Martin started, and there's a lot of drivers. Keselowski now. I mean, you're not on social media as much of me, but, I mean, Brad Keselowski is pissed. He's right there with Mark Martin. He's being more. He's being as boisterous. There is this crazy phenomenon going on right now. Everybody thinks that it. And this is what. This is what shocks me. If we just change the point system, millions of people will start watching NASCAR again. And I call bull. I think that's the stupidest thing. So you mean to tell me me and you were at a bar and we're like, hey, the points are changed. I'm going to start watching nascar. Kenny, help me make sense of this.

[Kenny Schrader]

Well, it's. It's what we. It's what. It's opinions. You know, we're gonna make some people happier if we change it. We're gonna. Some people aren't gonna like it. All I know is I do it every week, and I say it on here quite, quite often that I'll get some people, you know, older fans. I don't watch it anymore. I said, well, man, you should have. You should. Yes, because it's. It's better now. It's. It's never been this good. I went to that banquet in 85. That was my first full year in Cup. And I mean, I remember Daryl, you know. You know Daryl. And jokingly bus darn people. But it's like, bill, I'm sorry you won all them races and stuff. You're not standing up here. I know you're gonna stand up here. You know, you're gonna have your. Your year. Which he did. But that was the old. The old point system. All I know is, is points are just a way to. Just a way to keep track however you add them up. But individual races, you just keep. You just keep winning those things and see where you wind up.

[Herman Schrader]

We can go on and on. We'll save it for next week, everybody. But it is exhausting that the races are this good and people are complaining about points. We talk in points, and the races are this good. It is exhausting. Okay, we're going to go somewhere that we have to go. And I know these are things in NASCAR that are controversy, but we're going to go here because Roger Penske made news. And also, I'm bringing this up because Roger Penske is an incredibly powerful man. He says only things that need to be said. But we're within a month or so, December 1st is the real lawsuit. Well, there was a lot that came out on Friday night. Okay, Last Friday night, because NASCAR wanted all the car owners to make a statement. And they all did. And here's what they said. The car owners came out and all of them collectively said this lawsuit must come to an end because if it does not come to an end, it is going to devalue our sport. The coroners are afraid that somehow the judge could, you know, they're thinking, you know, the owners have got attorneys. There is this thought process that if NASCAR loses that the charter system could go away and it could devalue nascar. Now, one more thing, and this is, this will help Roger Penske. His statement was this. The new next gen car is saving nascar. It is cheaper because it takes less employees and less cars. And this one threw everybody in a tizzy. Roger Penske said, and the racing is really good. So the captain spoke. What's your thoughts?

[Kenny Schrader]

Well, that's, I mean, that's the captain and that's one of the 15 car owners.

[Herman Schrader]

Good point. Only 15?

[Kenny Schrader]

Yeah, one of the 15. So it'd be interesting to see, you know, what the comments were from the other ones. I can. Who.

[Herman Schrader]

I'm not talking about Joe Gibbs.

[Kenny Schrader]

Okay.

[Herman Schrader]

Joe Gibbs said the same thing, but he added, he said this has got to end. We don't want, we don't want this. Every coroner said the same thing. We, we, we want NASCAR and 23:11 in front of settle this. Joe Gibbs said, I, I am not going to go on the witness stand. I'm, I'm not going to speak. He just, you know, he said it. The Connors are scared to death.

[Kenny Schrader]

Yeah, Joe's really in a tough spot there. You know, I mean, relationship with NASCAR over the years and then, oh, yeah, my, my star driver, one of my star drivers, owns, has an ownership stake in the team, one of the teams that's suing. So I don't know, it's. I don't worry about charter system. You know, I know a little bit about the lawsuit. I know that all the owners would like to have more money. NASCAR would like to pay less money. TV would like to pay us less money. The sponsors would like to pay less. You know, the owners would like to race for more. I don't know. I don't know. You know, I, I wonder about charters sometimes. It's like, why, you know, I mean, you can't, you can't just go start an NFL team. You can't decide. I want you Know what? I want to own an NFL team and go start an NFL team. You always could just start a cup team. You can say, hey, I want to start a cup team. And people have done it, and you can still say, hey, I want to go Daytona 500 and buy a used car from somebody and buy your licenses and everything still go the Daytona 500. Now, your chances of getting in are. Are slim because. Because of what you're going up against. But, you know, I don't. I don't. I don't know. I'm over it. Obviously, we're going to just wait and find out what happens, and everybody's got their opinion.

[Herman Schrader]

I know that you don't like to talk about it, but when something. I'll ignore it until it's too big to ignore. And that's the reason I had to bring it up. It's, you know, when. When all the car owners have to make statements and it becomes world news because NASCAR is big. It's not like it's a little thing. So we will see. Everybody, my opinion is this. You know, it's sad to say, and, you know, I don't want to go. Well, you should. You know, when people go, what you should do? I'm like, no, what you should do is shut up. That's what I say to people when they say that. But I feel bad that there was a mistake made. NASCAR made a mistake trying to please everybody. And they started the charter system. They should have never started the charter system. NASCAR was being nice. They were trying to. You know, when we look at the great Bud Moore or the Junior Johnson, those guys, when they left nascar, you know, there's an old saying, all they had was brick and mortar. And here was NASCAR trying to help everybody out with this charter system to go, okay, you own a charter. When you want to lead the sport, you can sell your starting position for $40 million. I guarantee a NASCAR never saw this coming. And, you know, and this is all my opinion, they should have just kept it a stronghold. But then again, how can I say that? Because I never in a million years saw this lawsuit coming. But here we are. It's. It's a. It's a complete sandwich. It's a disaster. And everybody. It's kind of funny. Kenny, I do want to hear your comment on this. Here's. There's, here's these people. I hate nascar. I hate nascar. Well, now they're being sued. And now, now the people that hate nascar, they feel bad. They feel bad for nascar. In other words, you don't talk bad about my brother, you know, but I will.

[Kenny Schrader]

Yeah, kind of like that. Yeah. I don't know. Sprint car racing, the world of outlaw group who's been around for however many years gives you tow money and obviously a big point fund. I don't know about the high limits group but they are going to have charters and they already have some charters and they're giving out a few more. I don't know how that works, I don't know. But I know that I talked to a couple good friends that have cars that are out there every week and say, well, when you add up everything, there's not much difference. Now in four years, you know, if you have a high limits charter, is it going to be worth a lot? I don't know. You know who and no one does. But it's hard to believe that first off the, the fields there's, there's only so many full time traveling teams even when you add them up together. So you know, let's don't screw up that sport too.

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[Kenny Schrader]

Hello.

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Look, I'm not here to judge what you listen to. I'm here to judge you for not eating Reese's while you listen to it. Reese's. Ashley, go back to the nature. Sounds nice. Yeah, that's really nice.

[Herman Schrader]

We are looking good here, everybody. We're. I've had people comment, oh, Eddie Boglig said, man, I like the 45 minute show. So we're getting there. But we're not done dirt racing because I did not race. I spent two nights up till midnight watching Dirt Vision and watching Flow. I was loaded up with the Pittsburgh, you know, Lucas Oil. You go first, Kenny. I mean we, we had Lucas Oil. We had World of Outlaw. We had you.

[Kenny Schrader]

Well, we had, we had Lucas Oil Pittsburgh, which that place looks, looks amazing. Love that slick everywhere that I'd like, love to go there. Then we had the World Outlaw sprint cars at Williams Grove which the Pennsylvania posse won Friday night. Yeah, which is big. But then Sheldon hadn't shield one Saturday night. So the World Outlaws took to the Saturday night finale. And World Outlaw late models were at Humboldt, I believe Friday. And I watched them at Wichita 81 Speedway Saturday where Bobby Pierce was starting on the pole the race. Oh, my God. And they made an air pressure adjustment or something in an area you're not supposed to and gets to start last and comes back up to 11th. And I'm sure. I think it was 11th and would have came farther, but the track got real clean on the bottom. It doesn't look like it really rubbered, but it got real clean on the bottom and everybody migrated to the bottom and it gets. Well, we watched how hard long it took Tim McCready to pass the lap car. So, I mean, it. It got pretty, pretty hard to pass then. But, man, we had a lot of good races. Pittsburgh paid.

[Herman Schrader]

It paid 50, 50, 000 to win. I loved watching Devin Moran won that top. I know JD Kicked her butt on Saturday night, but, boy, Moran was the show both nights.

[Kenny Schrader]

Yeah, but. But he. He didn't. He won Friday night. Devin did. We were at Smoky Mountain Raceway, which Roger Sellers, Devin's car owner, owns Smoky Mountain Raceway. So it was. It was pretty neat. But just, man, good dirt races. Big, big money. Big, big car counts. You know, it's not all bad.

[Herman Schrader]

I wanna zone in on Bobby Pierce. So they say that when you present your car to the chute, the chute is the nickname for the starting, you know, area. So, you know, if you. Here I am, I'm telling the fans, you know, it's like nascar. You present your car to pit road and you're not supposed to touch it. You're done. You're done messing with your race car. Well, I didn't know this. The world of outlaw has this rule in place too. You presented your car to the shoot, you're done. And. Oh, my God, Bobby Pierce's team goes and starts adjusting the air pressures that Kenny. It had to be a. A brain fade because they run this series every week. They had to just forget.

[Kenny Schrader]

Yeah, yeah, it was. It was costly. But luckily he's still looking good in the points. Now, the real points, you mentioned the, The Lucas Oil thing. Is there 15 points, I think, between Devin and RTJ, Ricky Thor. I think it's. Devin's leading, I think.

[Herman Schrader]

Yeah. I mean it. And it was position by position.

[Kenny Schrader]

Yeah. And you know, they both got to get it done and not give Davenport any room because Davenport will bring his Eldora car to Eldora. Which has been. Has a phenomenal record. But those three, you know, they're just there every week. You know, it's just amazing.

[Herman Schrader]

All right, everybody, we're gonna. We're gonna go out here in a couple minutes, but let's end with something that I think's really cool. Harry Gantt, of course, Kurt Bush and Ray Hendrick, but handsome Harry. I don't know if you got a story. I'm going to give you a little time, but I'm going to go first. We do this once a year, everyone. The hall of Fame is a really awesome deal. Harry Gantt, we have him on trackside live. So this is a Harry Gantt story, my tribute to Harry and Kenny, you think a little bit here. So we bring Harry up on stage, and I said, harry, man, you look good. And I'm bragging on him. I said, harry, how about that year you drove for Leo Jackson and you guys figured out, you know, put camber in the rear tires and you had the drive plates, you know, and all the machining, all the engineering. I said, what was it like to win those four? Tell me about that era when you won four in a row.

[Kenny Schrader]

Was it four or five?

[Herman Schrader]

Maybe it was. I. I said four.

[Kenny Schrader]

It was a lot.

[Herman Schrader]

But here's the punchline in. In typical Harry Gant fashion, he said, boy, it was not the camber. It was nothing. Leo did. And in front of a thousand fans, yes, on Sunday, Harry Gantt lifts his right foot up everybody. And he said, it was this right foot that won all those races in a row. I started laughing. I said, man, that is typical. Kenny Cale, Yarborough, Richard Petty, those guys had a lot of pride back in those days. They would tell you, I mean, even Rusty. But Harry was so awesome. Leo had nothing to do with it. It was my right foot that won all those races in a row. That was. That was a recent story. Do you. Do you have any.

[Kenny Schrader]

Well, Harry's right foot definitely had a lot to do with it. But, you know, as we all found out later, it's like, hey, that was the only car with camber in rear end, too. No, I'm just saying it probably factored in somewhere. But Harry Gantt was so good, you know, Harry didn't run Cup. I think maybe he drove for Mr. Don Levy one time. Might have been real early, just drove like a race or two. But here he's carpenter, and he made more money racing at home and doing his job. Then cup, and he went full time. When he started going, and I guess it was The Skull Bandit with Hal Needham and them when he went full time. But Harry's the one that he gets you after the race. He said, son, son, you're running eighth, I'm running seventh or he's running ninth. I'm running eighth when he comes up to me. Now this is 250 miles in and no stage points. All right, when I come up to you, let me go. Because while you're jacking with me, we're both losing time to the leader and we're only halfway through and they're not getting ready to pay us yet. So we're just racing the leader and trying to stay as close as we can to him. So you don't jack with me, and I want Jack with you. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. But then, Mike Mikey Waltrip and I cup race at Bristol and we're sitting on top someone's truck because we're dumb. We both already wrecked or whatever. And afterwards, his brother wins and his brothers, they get him out and got the car up on the scales and he's like, he's passed out, you know, but we figure he's trying to make weight, you know, and someone else is over there. Like whoever runs second is getting oxygen or third is getting oxygen. And Harry gets out of the car and he's, he's combing his hair. He looks, he looks good. I mean, Harry was, you know, Harry was great, great.

[Herman Schrader]

Handsome Harry.

[Kenny Schrader]

Handsome Harry.

[Herman Schrader]

Hey, you bring that up. You knew. Who else used to comb the hair after the races all the time had a comb in the race car.

[Kenny Schrader]

Quickie.

[Herman Schrader]

Quickie.

[Kenny Schrader]

Yeah. Well, he was one of the first ones that sewed the little glove compartment thing.

[Herman Schrader]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You look in. It was too. I looked. It was to the left of a seat. You look in Alan Quickie's car and it's like a passenger car. He had a little mailbox right here. He just had all this, you know, candy and sodas and comb. Good stuff. Hey, we'll end like this. We can go back to 36 races. Everybody but here again. And I'm going to add, Mark Martin taught us this. You look in your mirror, you see somebody coming, just pull over and let them go. Can you imagine if we did that today? The people would have a hissy fit.

[Kenny Schrader]

Hey, I just, just thought about this. Somebody needs to research it. Mark Martin, who finished second in points, how many times a lot would he have been champion with this format?

[Herman Schrader]

Jeff Gluck. Five months ago, Jeff Luck said, it does amaze me that Mark Martin wants To go back to the point system that ruined his championship chances and speak into that.

[Kenny Schrader]

How is the survey this week?

[Herman Schrader]

Let's see, was the Roval race a good one? I'm going to push yes. 57% say yes, 43% say no. And I have no idea why they think that it's got to be something other than the race. Because the race was good.

[Kenny Schrader]

Yeah, but, but the, the race was good. Except they weren't all on top of each other the whole time like we have seen in, you know, in a lot of the races this year. Now some of that to do with the road course, some of that to do with the Goodyear tire they brought but boy, strategy and trying to keep up and who's going to pit and stuff it wear you out.

[Herman Schrader]

They knew before the race Ross Chastain and everybody told us on track sideline they called it. They did get this one right, Kenny. They said that's what was going to happen. And the tire did not let them down. It did not surprise them. And they knew going into the race that it was going to be, you know, who's going to have the last set of tires left. And it sure did help Joey Logano.

[Kenny Schrader]

Well, I'm a glass half full guy.

[Herman Schrader]

Yeah, me too.

[Kenny Schrader]

So this, this race, the approval rating was way down from what we've had in recent weeks and it was 57%.

[Herman Schrader]

Yeah.

[Kenny Schrader]

So we'll take that.

[Herman Schrader]

Yeah. Okay everybody. Kenny, I don't have any jokes today. You know, our partner in crime Craig is off but I think we did pretty good my friend. And, and like we always do. What are you doing this weekend? Shout out to your tracks. You're going to sponsors. What you. What's going on?

[Kenny Schrader]

I'm going to Denver Tower. Oh, we missed huge part. What was it yesterday? 81 year old Bobby Allen passed away.

[Herman Schrader]

Oh no, I didn't know that.

[Kenny Schrader]

Yes, Bobby Allen passed away this morning. Yeah. Owner of Shark Racing, Logan Shoehart and then another car they run on a series. Man just he, he bounced his ass all over the country. He was like the original outlaw. Him and Rick Ferkle they towed all over but just did so much. Talked to him last weekend. Weekend for last at Sharon Sharon Raceway. Talked to him bunch so don't know any details yet but we lost Bobby which is big.

[Herman Schrader]

My prayers, our prayers to everybody and that family. Okay, so where are you going?

[Kenny Schrader]

We're going to Denver Wednesday evening. Do stuff Thursday. Denver, Colorado do stuff Thursday for Federated and come back and I don't have a clue what I'm doing this weekend because David Strummy is coming into town and he'll be here Thursday. And I told him there's the car and Joey, you go, you go race it. So I'm, I know I'm going to be with him, but I might, you know, throw a B modder and ramp truck run one night somewhere. We don't even know where they're going to go for sure, but looking forward to it.

[Herman Schrader]

Well, that's awesome. Maybe I'll be racing David Stremmy because I'll be running the Federated Auto Parts Raceway Park. They that crazy Josh Carroll, he just won't stop racing. So we're running, we're running your old racetrack Saturday night.

[Kenny Schrader]

What. What day you got to be there?

[Herman Schrader]

Saturday.

[Kenny Schrader]

Oh, just one day show, huh?

[Herman Schrader]

Thank God. And while we're on this subject, he. He's trying to challenge Jerry Hoffman. Josh Carroll is going to end the year at Federated Auto Parts Raceway Park, November 7th and 8th, two day show. Now, I live 15 minutes from the racetrack, not 16. Like 12 to 15 minutes depending on the red lights. So this Saturday is peevely for me.

[Kenny Schrader]

Okay, well, we'll. We'll touch base next Monday.

[Herman Schrader]

Yeah. All right. Okay, everybody, as I always say, I just a little reminder, Herman Schrader is on the Dirty Mo podcast, so you can check us out over there and listen to us as you're going down the road. And if you want to see Kenny Schrader's pretty face, you go to the Kenny Wallace YouTube show and you can look at us. And I have some people that go, we like looking at you because that way we can tell when you're being smart asses. Are you really? Are you just having fun?

[Kenny Schrader]

Both.

[Herman Schrader]

Until the next Herman Schrader show. We'll see you next time. Goodbye, everybody. Check out Dirty Mo Media on Twitter, Facebook, TikTok and Instagram. Hey, everyone, it's me, Andy Cohen. Buckle up because I have a podcast called Daddy Diaries where I take my listeners on an as it happened, recount of life as a daddy to two kids, dozens of housewives, and the occasional fella. Listen to the Daddy Diaries to hear about my high highs and low lows of parenting, housewives, drama, and so much more. Daddy D. Wherever you listen to podcasts.

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