Chase Briscoe Is Underrated, Dale Jr.'s Real Role as Crew Chief, & Vintage NASCAR Stories With The Great Rick Mast!

Summary

Podcast Summary: Herm & Schrader

Episode Title: Chase Briscoe Is Underrated, Dale Jr.'s Real Role as Crew Chief, & Vintage NASCAR Stories With The Great Rick Mast!
Release Date: June 25, 2025
Hosts: Kenny Wallace and Ken Schrader
Guest: Rick Mast
Sponsor Highlights: Fox Factory Vehicles, Mint Mobile, Progressive Boat Insurance, Novo Nordisk

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1. Welcome and Introduction

Timestamp: [00:00 – 02:33]

The episode begins with a humorous exchange between Kenny Wallace and Ken Schrader, setting a casual and irreverent tone. They introduce their guest, Rick Mast, a charismatic NASCAR personality, highlighting their longstanding friendship and mutual admiration.

Notable Quote:

• Kenny Wallace ([02:27]): "We're always honest. We don't know that we're not in trouble already, you know, and sometimes truthful."

2. Life Lessons from Rick Mast

Timestamp: [03:15 – 08:48]

Kenny Wallace shares a heartfelt story about his early racing days, emphasizing the mentorship he received from Rick Mast. He recounts a pivotal moment where Rick advised him to "calm down" amidst racing frustrations, a lesson that profoundly impacted his approach to the sport.

Notable Quote:

• Kenny Wallace ([07:00]): "When I think of Rick Mast, there's a lot of things I think of all good. But when I first started racing in NASCAR, it was a very, very big deal for me... Rick said to me, 'you better calm down.' It was that simple. And it was so profound to me."

3. NASCAR Coverage by Prime Video

Timestamp: [17:51 – 28:36]

The discussion shifts to the recent end of Prime Video's five-race NASCAR coverage. The hosts debate whether this partnership marked the end of an era or a significant shift back towards traditional broadcasting styles reminiscent of the Speed TV days. They appreciate the extended post-race shows and the depth of coverage, suggesting it elevated the overall viewing experience.

Notable Quote:

• Charlie Marlo ([19:14]): "The prime deal, along with everything else... it's just so freaking cool, you know, all the stuff they did that was different, that was just, it was just great."

4. Chase Briscoe: An Underrated Talent

Timestamp: [27:42 – 48:36]

Kenny and Ken delve into Chase Briscoe's recent successes, arguing that Briscoe is significantly underrated in the NASCAR community. They highlight his three Cup Series wins—at Phoenix (2022), Darlington, and Pocono—and commend Joe Gibbs for recognizing and nurturing his talent early on.

Notable Quote:

• Kenny Wallace ([48:24]): "Phoenix 2022. And then it was Darlington last year and obviously Pocono this year. And then he's also won Xfinity and trucks, so he's won all three series."

5. Racing Behavior and Rule Changes

Timestamp: [33:07 – 47:31]

The conversation turns to the evolution of racing behavior and the introduction of stricter rules to prevent drivers from assisting one another during races. Through personal anecdotes, the hosts illustrate how camaraderie once allowed drivers like Rusty Wallace and Dale Earnhardt Sr. to aid each other, leading to memorable moments but also necessitating rule changes to maintain fair competition.

Notable Quote:

• Rick Mast ([47:09]): "This is why we have so many rules in NASCAR right now. Keep going."

6. Safety in NASCAR: Then and Now

Timestamp: [54:54 – 60:41]

Reflecting on the dangers of past racing eras, Rick and Ken share harrowing experiences involving blown tires and crashes. They emphasize the advancements in safety measures, such as the introduction of safer barriers, which have significantly reduced fatalities and injuries in the sport.

Notable Quote:

• Rick Mast ([57:18]): "Ricky Craven said, one day we will look back on NASCAR racing and go, how barbaric. We would wreck and then run into a concrete wall."

7. Dale Earnhardt Jr.'s Role as Crew Chief

Timestamp: [64:39 – 70:07]

The hosts discuss Dale Earnhardt Jr.'s unexpected yet impactful stint as a crew chief for Connor Zillinger in the Xfinity series. They applaud Jr.'s dedication and serious approach to the role, debunking conspiracy theories about his sudden involvement and highlighting his genuine passion for racing.

Notable Quote:

• Charlie Marlo ([66:26]): "He's a racer. It's hard to articulate... he really is."

8. The Impact of Artificial Intelligence on NASCAR Narratives

Timestamp: [70:07 – 76:40]

Kenny and Rick explore the growing issue of AI-generated fake news about NASCAR drivers circulating on social media platforms. They express concern over misleading stories about drivers like Bubba Wallace and Chase Elliott, emphasizing the importance of verifying information sources to protect the integrity of their sport.

Notable Quote:

• Kenny Wallace ([75:21]): "AI is getting there. I'm sure it'll be perfect in a year or two. But right now there's still some glitches."

9. Closing Remarks and Jokes

Timestamp: [76:42 – End]

Wrapping up the episode, the hosts share a series of light-hearted jokes, maintaining the show's signature humor. They also promote their sponsors, including Fox Factory Vehicles, Mint Mobile, Progressive Boat Insurance, and Novo Nordisk, before signing off with gratitude towards their guest Rick Mast.

Notable Quote:

• Kenny Wallace ([78:11]): "Why do divorces cost so much money? Because they're worth it."

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Conclusion:

This episode of Herm & Schrader offers a rich blend of personal anecdotes, insightful discussions on NASCAR's evolving landscape, and highlights the remarkable achievements of drivers like Chase Briscoe. With guest Rick Mast, the hosts provide a nostalgic yet forward-looking perspective on the sport, emphasizing the importance of mentorship, safety, and authentic storytelling amidst the challenges posed by modern technologies like AI. Whether you're a seasoned NASCAR fan or new to the sport, this episode delivers engaging content that underscores the passion and camaraderie inherent in racing.

Transcript

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[Charlie Marlo]

Doing good, guys. Doing good. I'm covering the east coast for this show today. You know what I mean? Or covering the Midwest with East coast stuff. Let's put it that way.

[Rick Mast]

Well, Rick, I want to give you an attaboy because the last time you filled in, you guys had One hell of a show. And Charlie was in the show. And when I got back home, I said, charlie, I watched that show with Rick Mast filling in for me, and boy, I really liked it. I like that three look. So, Rick, because of you, we went to this three look, because Charlie's got so much information, we just call on him. So. So thank you, Rick.

[Charlie Marlo]

You're welcome. I've always been known as a trend setter. You know, anywhere you go, there's mass. He's a trendsetter, man. Just follow his lead.

[Rick Mast]

Well, your kids are really cool, and I know that they teach you a lot. Same with my kids. It's true, ain't it?

[Charlie Marlo]

Yeah, it is. It's. It's sad but true, dude, it's so sad, but it is true. It is.

[Rick Mast]

Yeah. We get our kids, we're like, hey, set our computer up, and then we know those couple buttons to push, and if it don't go wrong, we. We call our kids. What's wrong with this computer?

[Charlie Marlo]

Posting everything I post, try to post on the phones and all. I call the kids, man. I have trouble. I just call the kids. They do it.

[Rick Mast]

Yeah. Well, how have you been lately?

[Charlie Marlo]

Been good, dude. I spent a little time. We got other companies going or doing, staying busy. And then I guess it was three or four weeks ago, the Copetti charity ride ended at the homestead in Hot Springs, Virginia, which is like 45 minutes from my house, two mountain ranges further west into the boonies. And so I spent the night there with Schrader and Ann and all those guys. So. And at that point, Schrader was headed. He was leaving the next day, going to West Virginia somewhere to race. Then he was going to Canada for a week or so to race. You know what I mean? He's telling me all the places go. Now he's out in Bum Food Egypt right now. Right?

[Rick Mast]

That's what I would say.

[Charlie Marlo]

Yeah. Yeah. So anyhow, everything's good. Everything's good.

[Rick Mast]

And you did text me from the Cal Petty dinner that last night. You said, herman, I come to see you, and I'm sorry I wasn't there, Rick. My dumb ass had to get back home because I wanted to run Pely on Saturday night.

[Charlie Marlo]

Okay, yeah, Kyle told me you're going to be there. I was like, okay, Raquel going to be there? Yeah, she's with him. That's it. All right, I'll be there. Kyle, you weren't there, but I got a free meal and I got to spend the night with Schrader and Ann. So it Was cool.

[Rick Mast]

Yeah. And out of that Rick, my wife Kim, she informed me that we are no longer taking off early from the Cal Petty Cherry Ride. So. So next year in 2026, Kim said we are going to stay on the Cow Petty charity ride from start to finish. And next year is a special Kyle Petty charity. Right. Because it's 30 years and I hear, yeah, Kyle's got and Morgan have got big things in place.

[Charlie Marlo]

You know, we did the Rick Bass golf tournament and Classic, Classic concert for a decade. Kenny. Right. And I mean it was a year long process to pull this thing off. I had like 12 people helping me and it was a year. It take a year to pull this dude up. And it was very, very successful. I mean we like $3.2 million we gave to the free clinic here in Rockbridge County. But the amount of work that goes in those things and you look at Kyle and Morgan, which, especially what Morgan does, that old group, it's like, it's phenomenal. It's amazing. People don't understand what it takes to pull something like that off. And they do it every friggin year and every freaking year gets better. And they got the best people, right? I mean, I took my daughters over the homestead, they go to the homestead a lot. And how we went over there one time three or four years ago where they ended and my daughters went and they said, man, this, when we left, they said, this is the happiest bunch of damn people I've ever been around in my life. Katie and Sarah both said that. I said, yeah, they're all racers, man, they're happy.

[Rick Mast]

And when you're raising money like that for a good deed, I'm not putting words in your mouth, but I'm sure you want everything to go good so you hand over that check to those causes, you know, and. Yeah, well, good stuff, everybody. Kenny Schrader is out west. He loves this time of his life. He get, he gets like, Charlie. Kenny Schrader actually gets giddy like a little kid. He's like, we're gonna be gone 30 days. He's happy, ain't he? Ain't he, Charlie?

[Kenny Wallace]

No, he always says, no, this is work, guys. Remember, this is a job. This is his work. He always reminds us.

[Rick Mast]

Okay, all right, so that's what's up, everybody. So we're gonna get right to it and we. I think we've got a good show on tap and we're going to start out like this. Rick Mast, I, I appreciate so much because you've taught me a lot of life lessons you truly have. I don't. This is not one of these corny segments. We're all Kenny Wallace trying to be all soft. But it is true. When I think of Rick Mast, there's a lot of things I think of all good. But when I first started racing in nascar, it was a very, very big deal for me. I came out of Missouri, and I was born hyperactive. And I'm on the rev chip and I'm at Dover, and I think I qualified six, and that was really good. But, you know, being Rusty's kid brother and my dad Russ, winning 400 races in the Midwest, I looked at qualifying six as failure. And I'm sitting next to Rick on pit wall, and I'm explaining to Rick how bad it was. And Rick Mass looked at me and gave me the best life lesson ever. Rick, you said to me, herman, you plan on doing this for a long time? And I looked at him, oh, yes. I'm a race my whole life. And Rick said, you better calm down. It. It was that simple. And it was so profound to me. Rick, you remember that or not?

[Charlie Marlo]

I do. Yeah. I do remember that, Kenny. It was, you know, you. And I don't know, you know, I had. I had mentors in my career, you know, guys you look up to. And guys would just offer advice to me. Right. You didn't go asking it, but people would take a liking to you, you and give you help. Dale Senior is one of them. But, you know, you're one of those dudes. Kenny, I watched you when you came in. You had. I think it was Martinsville. You hopped in Earnhardt's car, somebody's car. Martinsville member Earnhardt Chevrolet was on there. That's when I first noticed. Yes. Oh, boy. Here comes another. Damn wallets you have to deal with. Right? But then he was running the bush deal. And I got to know you a little bit and watched you, and you were just one of those guys that I felt like, you know, could make an impact on our sport and do good in this sport. Right. But we had to get that little. You had that little glitch about you that we needed to fix because you're going to drive yourself crazy, right? And everybody around you if you didn't just. And it was easy deal. You know, it was easy to do that. I mean, I, you know, again, I had lessons given to me, and I gave out lessons to people, and not everybody, you know, you don't do that with everybody, Kenny. I mean, everybody wouldn't do it to me. And I didn't do it to everybody. It's just people that you felt like, or I felt like when I was doing it that, that genuinely, genuinely were good people, right? And had talent. And we're going to do good in the sport, make an impact on the sport and, you know, just needed a little guidance every now and then. Good Lord, we could go right now and, man, we could set up shop right now. But no, that was, it was a cool little deal. And you adhere to that. I mean, you know, I don't know if you, if you started changing your medicines or what you did, but, you.

[Rick Mast]

Know, hey, hey, I got, I got to tell you this, but listen, we could go one hour on this subject matter right now. My hand on a Bible and everybody knows this is true. You know, they. They put, they put me on rlan when I was at about the sixth grade. And my, My mom said to me one day, she goes, what happened to my Kenny? And I looked at that pill bottle and I said, right there, Mom.

[Charlie Marlo]

Yeah.

[Rick Mast]

And my mom took that ritlin. She didn't know it was really going to just shut me down. And so my mom threw the ritlin away. And I, and I tease with people to this day. I said, listen, good for her. Yeah, thank you, Rick. But I tell people, I said, if I aggravate you too much right now, blame it on my mother. She's the one that threw the bottle away. And I want to say this, and I want you to comment on this, and I kind of have fun with this in our day, you know, because people tease me about that. But in our day, I was very lucky because I had you to tutor me. You looked out after me. Dick Trickle did that for me in asa. So I, I want to ask you this. It just seems to me, I mean, I know we don't know everything, but that's what's missing in this era. You know, I raced against you in the Bush series. We raced Dale Senior, Dale Jarrett, Terry Labani. And if we breathed on them the wrong way, if I breathed on you, you put your arm around me, we go between the trailers and you would, you would make me better, Right? Talk to me about that. I just don't see that nowadays.

[Charlie Marlo]

We're. We're missing, we're missing that. Not only we're missing that one person, Kenny, we're missing a group of that per. Of those people, right, that, that. You know, it was in my career from, for dirt tracking a teenager coming up through. Every time I moved up the ranks on A dirt track and then get into late Model, then get into Bush grade National, then get into Winston Cup. I was taught every step of the way. There was somebody that taught me lessons, either with a stern finger in your chest or.

[Rick Mast]

Jack Ingram.

[Charlie Marlo]

Oh, yeah, Jack Ingram. Or, or, or, you know, sometimes there's a little more stirred or than that, right? And you had to learn that. That's when you learned how to protect yourself and protect your territory. Because people wanted to help people in the fight, right? To teach a lesson. But as time went on, you. Every step of the way I had that. Every, when I got in the Cup, I had that. I had people talking to me and telling me, rick, you did this last week. Don't do that again, right?

[Rick Mast]

Yeah.

[Charlie Marlo]

Or you, you ran me up in that wall like this. When you come off the turn, you did this. Don't do it like that. Don't do it like that. Right? Not trying to take your aggressiveness away or not trying to take away your, your, your, you know, you're wanting to win or being everything you can do to win or run, run good or fast. They weren't doing that. They were doing it to keep your race car on the racetrack for 500 miles. Right? And keep their race car on the racetrack for 500 miles because you wanted tore it up, you know. What was Trickle saying, Kenny, for finished first, first must finish.

[Rick Mast]

Right, right.

[Charlie Marlo]

And Trickle, you know, Trickle. I took advice from Dick, you know, even though he was a rookie of the year, when I was already running, he was rookie and I took it, I went to him for advice, right? It was the cup. So, you know, I don't know when it got lost, right. I know Tony, you know, when he left, he see, he, he saw a lot of this change it in the garage in our sport, you know, and he talked about it, you know, and being upset about it and just the change of the way the guys do in the way they race right now. I mean, if I went in there, I've thought many times here lately and watch these races. If I, if I went to the cup and I got in a race and I was racing, dude, I wouldn't last two weeks. They, they would run me out of the sport. I probably be in jail, right? I mean, I could not race the way these guys race. Hats off to them, you know, they're doing it and I'm proud of them, but man, oh man, oh man. And I don't know, I don't know how we get back to that.

[Rick Mast]

I'm not sure, you know, Rick, I got taught a valuable lesson by Dale Senior. We've all been taught lessons by Dale Senior. But, you know, we. We were drafting in practice at Daytona, and boy, I thought I was getting it. And somewhere, the three cars around me and I take it three wide, getting into one in practice. And later on, he come up to me and he goes, herman, don't ever take me three wide again in practice. And to this day, you didn't take me three wide. I still remember it, right? So, yeah, well, I just wanted to.

[Charlie Marlo]

Yeah, we were. We were. I tell you real quickly, we were. First year, I was in cup, we were at Daytona, running right, and I was up behind. I was behind Bill Elliot. We came off turn four and I turned down under him to pass him, had a run, and I pulled up in front of him. When I did, I didn't really have him cleared, right. Oh, and we kind of nudged a little bit. I think he had jump out of the gas. Anyhow, the next lap of caution come out, right? And I slow down and he comes up beside me, right beside me and looks over at me, starts pointing his finger at me. Just. He does this. Wait a minute.

[Rick Mast]

Yeah, right there.

[Charlie Marlo]

One, two, three. That's all he did. That's all he had to do. I'm like, yes, sir, I get it. I screwed up. I get it, I get it, I get it. So, yeah. And I just don't know how much of that goes on, Kenny, other than everybody cussing each other now and throwing their fingers at each other.

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[Rick Mast]

Well, good stuff everybody. I wanted to share some of my Rick Mass stories with you and that led to more stories as it always does. All right guys, let's get this show started. Let's go to Pocono, the big NASCAR Cup Xfinity weekend. I was mixed emotions when everything was over last night because prime tv, they came in and they finished their five races. And Charlie and Rick, I want you to let's start with Charlie on this because Charlie is a TV guy. Charlie, prime is over. And, and for as much as everybody complained about, just seemed like prime changed our sport like this, this five race deal with pre race show, post race show. Dale Jr. Steve Latart, Daniel Trotta, Corey, you know, Lajoy, Carl Edwards, Charlie. It just seems like this was a pivotal time in nascar. It took us back to the speed TV days. Am I reading this wrong? Am I getting too emotional? Was Prime a big game changer here?

[Kenny Wallace]

I think it was. And it's funny too because yesterday at the end of the broadcast they have the whole crew go up there and, and part of me was like, well, hey, it was only five races. It was almost like the end of an, of an era. And it's like they only did five races. But I do think they made a, a huge impact and I, I really do think they elevated the, the product, the racing product. There were some of those races where, and maybe we can talk about this with Pocono in my opinion and other People's opinion, maybe the racing wasn't great, but I think the TV broadcast it, it kind of lifted that up. And I think people loved the hour long post game shows, post race shows. I think they love the personalities. Even with the beer at the end. You got big names. Carl Edwards, Dale Jr. Sitting there. Yeah, I think, I think in five races it made an impact way beyond what you'd think they could make in five races.

[Rick Mast]

Rick, what do you think?

[Charlie Marlo]

You know, when the race was over yesterday, I watched a couple of interviews. Right after the race, I left, I went outside, I backwashed the pool. I went and put chemicals in the hot tub, I went and fed the dog, right? I did, I did, I did two or three other things and I came back, I don't know, probably 45 minutes later, I came through the living room hell. This, the thing's still going, right? They're still talking. I'm like, this is so freaking cool. Why? You know, it's like people have hammered for this for years. You know, when the race is over, you know, everybody runs to the checkered flag to get the interview done because TV is going to cut you off. So you got it. You, you know, the burnout thing has screwed up some of the production thing, I think, but trying to work the, the producers getting the show ended. But you know, you'd always see there's a rush to get the thing over and get the show stopped, right? The prime deal, along with everything else we can talk about. You go feed the dog, slop the hogs, work on your pool, mow the grass, come back after the race, hour later. Frank, they're still out there talking, man. They're still out there interviewing people. That's the one big thing I like, right? The, and y' all guys know a lot more about TV production than I do, of course. But the, the end result is a fan, and I'm a fan is watching it like, man, it's just so freaking cool, you know, all the stuff they did that was different, that was just, it was just great. I mean, you know, the pre race stuff, I mean, all, it's just, I don't know, it's a whole, is a whole different deal, you know? And I'm going to tell you something else, guys. The thing that bugs me so much about some of the TV productions we've had in the past is this sport is not a joke, right? These drivers are not a joke. When you, when you listen to Ken Squire talk, when you listen to him, you listen to one race every single Driver out there, some reason or another, he had you convinced they were your heroes, right?

[Rick Mast]

Yeah.

[Charlie Marlo]

And this was very serious, very serious business over the years. Some of the stuff that's happened, it's like, you know, we take a joking turn towards this, right? It's like we could go. I could go on for an hour about this, guys, and I'm not going to do it right now. But you know, a lot of that stuff was gone. This broadcast, the prime broadcast, it was more serious about. Our drivers were more serious, right? Our sport is more serious than everything being a friggin joke all the time. I don't know, that's just me, but that was there.

[Rick Mast]

Well, my opinion is this, whether we like it or not, these young kids, this younger generation, my, My three girls, I go into their homes and they got that YouTube on. Because what I've learned is that these kids want to choose what they want to pay for. So like my daughter Brooke and Jake, they, they buy the Disney Channel because they got two kids. Jake likes golf. So, you know, he's not gonna spend. Jake's not gonna spend 200 on stuff he doesn't watch. And I think this is where some of us older people, you know, we, we pay 200, we get DirecTV and there's 600 channels and we only watch two of them. And so this prime, this is geared towards that new generation. That is my opinion, and I know a lot.

[Charlie Marlo]

But look how great it was, Kitty. Look how great it was.

[Rick Mast]

It was great in Mark Martin. I want you to talk about this, Rick. Mark Martin. You know, we just did the controversial Kenny conversation.

[Charlie Marlo]

Yeah.

[Rick Mast]

And he said it right there. He goes, herman, it's too easy. He said, I've had it and never know it. He goes, I don't go shopping anymore. And I'm not a big fan of Jeff Bezos, but I've had prime video, you know, of course, Matt, his son, showed him. Dad, we've had it forever. But you know, when you can teach Mark Martin, you know, at 64 years old, whatever he is, it. It can be done. And boy, what do you, what do you think, Rick? Is it, is it hard to switch our old crew over? It is.

[Charlie Marlo]

And I'll tell you, and I'm, you know, I guess I, I'm considered old school, right? But I try to keep up. I try to keep up, you know, But I still haven't, I haven't fully bought into the streaming. And I'll tell you why. I can't flip back and forth between channels with the previous Channel thing. That's what really gets irks me when I. When I. If I'm watching TV and I go over to prime and watch the race or whatever, you know, I counted it last night. It's 18 seconds when I hit. When I go to Morocco, and then from that point until I get my TV on or racing happening, it's 18 seconds. I counted it last night, right?

[Rick Mast]

Yeah.

[Charlie Marlo]

That's the problem I have with the streaming thing. If I could do. If they could get it where you just go back and forth between channels real quick, then old school. I ain't got nothing to complain about, nothing to gripe about. But when you do this. When you do this prime thing like you just did, and you end up with the type of coverage in the. In the production that we had, I'm like, all right, I'll put up with 18 seconds. I'll put up with 18 seconds. So, you know, there's some people that just don't want to do it. I mean, I don't give a darn what you do. They're just not going to do it. They're not going to accept new things. Y' all know that. I know it, right? And. But we got to keep, you know, like you said, we got to keep the young guys coming, man. We got to keep the young, young folks coming. Why do you think they made all those little tiny diecasts in the 90s, right, for all the teams? They weren't making them to make money off a little die cast. They were making them the M and M's. Little tiny diecast. They give them out to the kids. The kids start doing this and watching race, and the first thing you know, they're teenagers. All they want to eat is M and ms, Right? That's kind of. That's kind of what that whole deal was about in those days. And today we've got to figure out, how do we get young people in our sport and involved and excited about our sport? You know, that's past me. I can't tell that it takes smarter people than me to figure this out.

[Rick Mast]

I. I'm laughing because in the day, they would say, number one, selling souvenirs, Kenny Schrader.

[Charlie Marlo]

Right?

[Rick Mast]

And I'm thinking, well, Schrader's my hero. But really. And Shredder go. The kids are buying it because it's candy. You know, the Eminem characters and.

[Charlie Marlo]

Right.

[Rick Mast]

So.

[Charlie Marlo]

Right.

[Rick Mast]

All right, good stuff, everybody. Prime TV is over now. That was five races. What a great run. And we'll close this segment out by this it reminded me of the speed TV days. And boy, we just need. We. We dearly miss that dedicated channel. Just dedicated channel. Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday. They just kept that vibe going. Nascar, go to speed. What's going on? Go to speed. And speed is gone. And, boy, we missed that dearly. And prime brought that feel back. Okay, deep breath. Let's talk about this race, everybody. Chase Briscoe wins the race. And I want to set you up right away, guys. Sometimes in sports, whether it's. Whether it's, you know, Ohio sports for you, Charlie, or whether it's anything in Virginia. What are you, Rick?

[Charlie Marlo]

Are you Virginia Wahoo? Basketball. Wahoo. Virginia University of Virginia basketball and football and Virginia tech football and JMU football and basketball.

[Rick Mast]

And me, I'm a St. Louis Cardinal, you know.

[Charlie Marlo]

Oh, yeah, Atlanta Braves. Oh, yeah, Atlanta Braves.

[Rick Mast]

Of course, you're Atlanta Braves.

[Charlie Marlo]

Oh, yeah.

[Rick Mast]

So here's where we're going with this, everybody. Sometimes our. Our sports team say, we're going to get this quarterback, we're going to get this pitcher. And you're like, what? Well, Joe Gibbs said we're gonna hire Chase Briscoe, and I think the whole sport was like, what? He. He saw something because Chase Briscoe was your winner. And we're. We're right at. Are we halfway through the season, Charlie?

[Kenny Wallace]

I think we're right at halfway, aren't we? Maybe 17. Let me. Let me check.

[Rick Mast]

Yeah. Well, the point is this. Coach Joe Gibbs says, I've had my eye on Chase Brisco, and he's gonna be my driver. And here we are not halfway through the season, and he's a winner. Rick, what. What did you think when you heard Joe Gibbs say, gonna hire Chase Brisco?

[Charlie Marlo]

Same deal. The problem I got, okay, is I was kind of a Briscoe fan.

[Rick Mast]

Oh, good. Well, that. No, that's good.

[Charlie Marlo]

Yeah. So, I mean, I. Watching him, right? I'm like, this, too. This. This dude's got a good attitude. He's got the right attitude, man. Think. Put the driving together right, and you watch him. I remember watching him just sub races, you know, and it's weird way I do people, guys. I'll watch guys coming up and I'll. I'll watch them and look for. I look for a particular run, like one green flag run, right? Or one stretch of something going on, and I see a guy doing pretty extraordinary things, and then the next caution comes out and they're back at the back or they. They've done rector or the blue attire or whatever's going on. But I put those things in my memory bank, and I remember with Briscoe, seeing three or four deals like that, thinking, man, this guy here, I've seen some flashes, right? If he gets a. If he gets the right situation, he. I believe he could do well, you know, so. That one. Yeah, I understand. I understand. I understood the Took the take on him about, and it was kind of a little bit funny, but for my take, I'm like, all right, maybe he saw what I did or whatever's going on here, but I was. I was happy when he got the deal, so.

[Rick Mast]

Well, Charlie, you're. You're our statistician. Correct me if I'm wrong. When Chase Briscoe won, what was it? Darlington. He won a good race last year. I said, well, you. You don't fluke into a cup win, you know, because no matter what, it's. It's hard to do. And. And Chase Brisco was a winner with, you know, the Stewart Hos team last year, I believe. And then when he won that race, everybody's like, well, maybe. Maybe Joe Gibbs is not crazy. And. And I think of brother Rusty, you know, and of course, I hammer this quote home. Rusty says, you know, it's sad to say, you got to remind people because they remember what they want to, but if you look in, Rick, I agree with you. You look back at last year, Charlie do. Where did. Where did Chase Briscoe win last year? You'll bring that up for us pretty.

[Kenny Wallace]

Yeah, but that was Darlington. But he also. He had a win 20, 22 Phoenix. So he has three cup wins.

[Rick Mast]

Well, there we go.

[Charlie Marlo]

Rick, I didn't even know that. All right, I'm just telling you what I witnessed a particular runs over a few races. But the. Yeah, I didn't realize I knew the Darlington, but I didn't know the other. I didn't know the Phoenix.

[Rick Mast]

Yeah. Darlington. I mean, me and. You know, you win a Darlington, you've done something.

[Charlie Marlo]

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

[Rick Mast]

You've kept it off the wall.

[Charlie Marlo]

Yeah. You don't look. You don't look into that one. No.

[Rick Mast]

Yeah. So big win by Chase Briscoe, everybody. And Joe Gibbs obviously knew what he was doing, so. All right, let's. Let's address the elephant in the room here. And, boy, this is going to be a good one because I've got. I've got receipts. And you starred, Rick, you starred in one of these big movies. I want to set it up, and I want to remind everybody that this is. We. We converse. This is a conversation. We're not interviewing each other. So I'm going to give my opinion and it's going to be long winded a little bit, and then Rick's going to talk about it. So I see on social media that, oh, it was a fuel mileage race. Oh, nobody wanted to. Nobody wanted to pass Chase Briscoe because he's afraid they was going to run out of fuel. So Chase Briscoe gets on the post race show. Rick. Okay, Chase Briscoe on the post race show. He said, my dad, my whole career said, son, you're driving in the corners way too hard. You gotta let up early. So in the midst of Chase Briscoe, he's leading the race. They're like, chase, you. You gotta let off. You. We're trying to make this race on fuel mileage. You know, we can make it, but you can't continue to drive hard. So what's he do, Rick? He lets off the gas real early and he goes faster. And his team's like, you gotta let off. He goes, I'm already letting off. But now he's not using any. Break. He's rolling the middle of the corner faster. And he couldn't believe it. So this reminds me of that. That. That race that I had won at Nashville Fairgrounds. And my team was like, let off the gas. I'm like, I'm letting off at the flag stand and I have a bad pit stop, and me and you end up 1, 2, 3. At the old Nashville Fairgrounds. They. They dropped the jack on my car. I don't win the race, but I go back to that race and I'm like, oh, my God. So, Rick, when in your career it had to happen once, Was your car so good that you're letting off the flag stand and they say you're pulling away? Did that ever happen to you?

[Charlie Marlo]

Yeah, it did. Rockingham a couple times at Rockingham, right? You know, I was leading the race, right? And I forget who was second. And they said, all right, Rick, you got. And we did have a dominant car. You need to back out of it, ease up, right? Richard Jackson. So I did. I started easing up. Well, five or six laps, they come on, Rick, you need to back out of it. I said, I have backed out of it. And so we run it faster. I said, well, I can't tell you what's going on. I know I'm letting off a lot earlier than I used to. Right. Especially going in on. I tell you, the best of that was Kenny was Harry Gantt. He taught me this. He taught Me this at Pocono. If you remember, one time Harry had Pocono figured out he would go in as he come through the tunnel turn, he'd go through the back short shoot going into three, he would be out of the G. I got behind him one time, I about ran over going into turn three. I thought he done blew up because he got out of the gas so frigging early, right? I'm like, what the hell heck's he doing? Next thing I know, we get to start finish line and he's like 20 carlets ahead of me. I'm like, oh, okay. Yeah. The other time it happened to be Darlington, a Bush grand national race run, Busch grand national, and I was racing with Earnhardt and I don't remember if he passed me. I passed him. Whatever happened, we go into turn, what was then turn one, now turn three. And the same thing happened to me. I thought he blew up going into that turn, right? And I backed out of it and jumped on the brakes. I'm like, what the hell's wrong? And turned under same deal. We get middle way down the next straightaway, he's 10 Carlins ahead of him, like, oh, there's something to this backing out early, right? But as a racer, you don't want to do that. You go in that turn just as hard as you can go, plow the thing in there and you get all the heat built up in the brakes to eat the right front tire. You're trying to get it turned and the heat, the right rear tire. And if you back out of it early, right, you get in the turn, first thing you know, your tires are cooler, you could get back in the gas quicker, right? But it's hard, hard, hard as a race car driver to make you want to do that. And that's where that's, that's the deal where some of the road course better or road course ringers had advantage on us. They had a point where they'd get out of the gas, right, and they would break deep. But somehow another, they had it worked out. When they get into the corner, they're kind of going a little slower than us, right? But then they were back in the friggin gas gone. And we're still trying to get our mount turned right. But it, it's funny how that works, you know, And Briscoe can learn a lot from that. He could learn a lot from that. But Harry, Harry was the best at that. And he did it at Rockingham. He did a lot of racetracks, hurried back out of the Hell, we qualified. I remember standing on pit road one time at Rockingham and everybody's qualifying and Harry went by not far past the finish line, start, finish line. He jumped out of the gas and there was some famous pit crew, our crew chief beside me, I don't remember who it was. He said, well, he got no lap right. He finished up, he had the friggin pole and everybody was going at least 10 or 15 Carlage deeper in the turn. Right. But it's just how you got it worked out.

[Rick Mast]

I, I gotta tell you, I hate to copy them, but it was Dale Earnhardt senior at Dover for me. I was full of piss and vinegar. I'm going down that back straightaway and I same thing. I mean, I almost packed Earnhardt right in the ass. And I think it happened again like the next lap. By the third lap, I'm like, oh, oh, and what, what about, what about now we got a couple good stories. What about Butch Lindley or Jimmy Hensley and you at Martinsville, you know, when we had the old JFC breaks, you couldn't, you know, everybody started, you know, Rusty, he said, you'll get trained to make 500 laps at Martinsville. You know, you let off at the start finish line if you're going to make 500 laps. That start finish line, that was your. Is like, okay, we're letting off here. We're on the break, we're off the break, we're on the break. Rusty taught me to pulsate the break. But what about David Pearson? I mean his legend at, at Darlington? I mean the story I hear and you clean it up for me. My story was that he let off the gas so early that he was back in the gas, almost entering the corner. What did you hear about Pearson at.

[Charlie Marlo]

Yeah, that is, same kind of deal. Same kind of deal. He, he was a back off the gas type guy, right? Yeah, in, back in the gas early, you know, and I tell you, else was like that and I can't, you know, so many of us came up, you hold the thing wide open as hard as you could get in the turn, hard as you could get it turned and stab the gas wide open. That's kind of the way a lot of people did it and did it right. A lot of guys did it that way. Jeff Gordon comes along with his open wheel car stuff, his print cars, right? Running like IRP and those little midgets, they run asphalt, those guys, you know, they would get out of the gas, feather the gas, you know, a quarter of the way into the Turn. They're like a quarter or half throttle way before what we would call the apex of the turn, Right? Jeff, when he came in, he did a lot of that. He did a lot back in the gas way early from other people, but he was half throttle, right? It was, it was kind of the. Kind of his style, the way he did that. And, and that, what that is is kind of like backing out of the gas early, right? Getting back into the gas, you know. But when you're trained for 20 or 30 years, you go deep as you can, get it turned, stab the gas. It's hard to. It's hard to, you know, it's hard to change that up as a driver. And that's what a lot of those guys did, man.

[Rick Mast]

Yeah. And I want everybody to understand, all the racers that are listening, we understand. Rick and myself, we understand you can't do that all the time, especially on the short tracks. You cannot open up the entry. You know, you got to race hard. Then when you settle in, this is what we're talking about. God knows our races at South Boston and Hickory. You couldn't let off the gas early getting in the corner.

[Charlie Marlo]

They'd fill that hole, get your ass run over, too.

[Rick Mast]

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[Rick Mast]

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Price of participation may vary. Cannot be combined with any other offer. Okay. On the same. Same deal. We are defending right now. I don't think we need to, but we, I, I and you now, now that I know that you're a big Chase Briscoe fan, we're kind of defending his win because there's, there's this ambiance that he wanted on fuel mileage. I want to go back to our days for fun. There was a Pocono race. It was raining, and they're coming around to the checkered flag. You know, it's raining now and you know they're gonna. This race is over. Earnhardt's out of gas going through the tunnel turn, and this was a moment in NASCAR history. Rusty and Earnhardt, they're getting along. So Earnhardt's team goes over to Rusty's team lo and says, hey, man, we're out of gas. I don't know if we're going to make it around to the start finish line. Can, can you push us to the start finish line? I think Rusty's driving the Miller Genuine Draft car. Maybe. I think that's what it was. Respond right here, everybody. You gotta find it on YouTube. Rusty pushes Earnhardt, literally, like lifting him up in the rear, pushing him through the tunnel turn, brings Earnhardt around, and he wins the race. Okay, now that I've set you up, Rick, you became very famous, and they made a. NASCAR made a rule because of you. Tell me about that time at Talladega where you're pushing your teammate, old handsome Harry.

[Charlie Marlo]

Well, he, we had. We. We were as good as Harry or better. And we had a bad stop, and I'm getting. He caught me. We're lapped down, and he's. I'm in front of him, he's drafting off of me, and I get to call Rick, Rick. Harry's a little low on flu fuel. Let him get ahead of you in case he runs out. I said, okay. So I let him go by me, and I'm following him and you know, like a lap to go, you know. Sure enough, it I say first thing, you know what happened? I see black smoke come out of his pipes, right? Black smoke just happened. That told me. Oh, and he. About that time I hit him. But the thing of it was, I didn't get against him in. In just continually push him here. Kenny. The, the neat part was I would hit him sometimes two or three times. When I hit him, I thought, well, he said he'd hit me so damn hard, Rick broke my neck. But anyhow, it was like it would jar. It would jar the gas or something in the fuel cell, and it would jostle something. It would pick up. And, you know, at that time, I figured it probably wasn't legal or the right thing to do or whatever. But anyhow, when we came across start, finish line, I was what, five Carlins behind Harry. He. He went across start finish line under his own power, right? The good part of the story is when the race is over, I got called to the red truck because Darrell Walker was up there. He finished second, and he was raising holy cane, right? And about me pushing him, I'm sitting there lying. I'm like, man, I. I didn't push him. Harry's up there on. Harry's up there in the wood. Harry's up there in the winter circle on cbs. Oh, I don't know what I'd have done if old Rick hadn't been able to help with me, push me. I'm like, right, well, it turns out Daryl's spoiler was low, right? The crew chief comes, knocks on the door of the trailer. What me? And I think it's Dick Beatty. I'm not sure. France was in there. Mike Hilton, I don't know who all was in there, right? And Daryl just raising the holy crate. And the door opens it. It was Darrell's crew chief. Darrell, got a problem. Come out here. What is it? Come out here. Tell me what it is. Well, we're inspection line there. Spoilers low. Right. So they had beat the spoiler down during the race, right. So he wasn't legal either, you know, so Beatty looks at Darrell, said, what do you think, Darrell? Darrell sits there for five or six seconds, said, you know, Harry's a hell of a driver. Any guys, I'll see you on next week. Right? The, the, the ones, the team that should have won it was Earnhardt. They finished third. Of course, they're probably cheating, too, but, I mean.

[Rick Mast]

Yeah, that's okay. Hold on, everybody. Keep your thought, Rick. I want everybody to know. This is why we have so many rules in NASCAR right now. Keep going. Yeah.

[Charlie Marlo]

Yes, it is. Yes, it is. And it was, it was, it was, it was a glorious day. It was a glorious week.

[Rick Mast]

So because of Rick and because of Rusty, NASCAR came out with this. I don't know if it's a vague rule, but you cannot assist the guy to the win is what they say nowadays. And I, I'm sure that's a judgment call, guys. You know, how do you say the guy won the race or didn't? Oh, he's pushing him. Well, hell, you're drafting and you know, and, you know, we were drafting there at the end of my career with that, what they call it, like two dogs mating. You know, we're, we're like, we're like this, you know?

[Charlie Marlo]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Rick Mast]

So I don't know, you and, you.

[Charlie Marlo]

And Earnhardt again, Talladega. Yeah.

[Rick Mast]

Yeah. Okay, everybody, I, I, I think we've all done our best to explain that if you're in the racing business long enough, Chase Briscoe is the real deal. As Charlie Marlo said, he's won three. Charlie. Where is. He won. Where's, let's finish this up by that. Phoenix.

[Kenny Wallace]

Phoenix 2022. And then it was Darlington last year and obviously Pocono this year. And then he's also won Xfinity and trucks, so he's won all three series.

[Rick Mast]

What is the deal? Is he, Is he, I mean, I mean, I'm loud. I recognize loud people. Is Chase Bisco, Is he kind of sneaking under the radar here? I mean, what's going on with these drivers anymore, Rick? I mean, we had William Byron, he won the Daytona 500, and it didn't even register. We had a girl named Taylor Cool from Iowa. We interviewed her, and she got three times the views that William Byron. I mean, are these guys too shy? Rick, what's going on, Kenny?

[Charlie Marlo]

Another hour long show if we ever want to do it. Let me give you real. Let me give you a real quick one minute lesson. Or not lesson. But 1980s Johnny Hayes. Everybody remembers Johnny Hayes. He swung a big stick in our sport. He was control. He controlled the skull sponsorship for everybody that didn't know Johnny Hayes, right? Friends with everybody in the sport. He attends an event with Richard Petty in New York City. This was pre ESPY's days, all right? But it was, I guess I'm assuming it was the same kind of thing. It was some kind of awards thing for professional athletes that was held in New York City those days. And I think it's like the ESPYs, but it was. Whatever it was called. Johnny says he walks in this thing with the King, right? There's all these famous athletes. Muhammad Ali's there. Lou Alcinda's or Lou Alcinda. Kareem Abju Jabbar, right? Walter Payton. All these famous names that everybody recognizes, right? Johnny says, rick, it was the darnest thing you ever seen. So we walked in there and he said, all these famous athletes. He said, I could tell because I was there with the King. He said, damn, there's Richard Petty. There's Richard Petty. The first person that greeted Richard Petty was Muhammad Ali. He came up to him, shaking his hand, and Johnny says, man, I mean, he was like a kid, right? Getting. And he got his autograph right there. And he said every one of these stud athletes were just in awe of Richard Petty. Right? You follow me?

[Rick Mast]

Oh, yeah, I'm with you.

[Charlie Marlo]

All right. Where's our Richard Petty today?

[Rick Mast]

I knew you and Schrader are so much alike. You guys set up a good story, and then that is the problem. My point is, is, you know, and we're on the same.

[Charlie Marlo]

We have. They're there.

[Rick Mast]

We are not doing a good job because Chase Briscoe is his third cup win. And I don't know if it's. I don't know whose fault it is, and I know that's a strong comment. It is somebody's fault that our cup drivers are not heroes right now, Right?

[Charlie Marlo]

I got. Agreed, agreed. I'm with you. That's my whole thing of heroes. Heroes. Yeah, heroes. Heroes. They're there. But here's the deal, Kenny. They're there. They are. Yeah, they are. These guys are a lot of them. Some of them are some of our buttholes, but some of them are good guys. Some of our heroes. We don't. We don't know that as fans. And I don't know how the hell we get to that. That's what we got to do.

[Rick Mast]

You know, last week, Mark Martin said it best. You know, Mark. Mark was the one that pulled over and let you go if you caught him. But then Mark said in the same breath on. On Kenny conversation last week, he says we need Carson Hosvar to run over people. You know?

[Charlie Marlo]

Yeah, we need. I agree. I agree.

[Rick Mast]

Okay, for real, guys, we have ended that segment. But Chase Briscoe should be more famous than what he is. And as Charlie just pointed out. And by the way, everybody, Charlie, you said we're 17 races through, so that's 34. There's 36. So the next race, we're going to be halfway through the year, right? There's 36 point races. One more race, everybody. Who takes over NBC next week?

[Kenny Wallace]

It's Turner. It's the TNT TBS. Deal. So Dale Jr. Is still on that. Remember, he's also doing that coverage.

[Rick Mast]

Okay, Rick, the next thing is we got stories. Here's what my notes tell me. In my day, I blowed some right front tires. But before I tell you what happened to me after I've blown right front tires, and I know you have, too, we saw some right front tires blow out at Pocono and you had Tyler Reddick blower right front and I mean, wreck Bubba Wallace, Riley Herbst, Michael mcdowell, and all of them. You know, I'm not saying they were seeing double, but none of them were easy hits. So I'm. I'm embarrassed to say this, but this is just what happened to me. I'm going down the back straightaway at Dover. Imagine that. And I knew I was in trouble because I was pushing really bad and I was turning on the wheel harder than I wanted to. Sure enough, I mean, I get about. I'm just entering turn three at Dover. Boom. I'm. I'm done. I can't control the car. I close my eyeballs so my eyeballs wouldn't pop out. I hit that wall. I mean, a ton. And I'm dizzy, but I don't want anybody to see I'm dizzy because I'm afraid I'll lose my ride for the next week. And they take me to that infield care center at Dover and they're like, how you doing, Kenny? And I'm like, oh, I'm fine. And at the same time, I'm looking at the clock and I saw two twelves, two ones, two, two Twos. And. I mean, I was junk. And in my day, if you showed any weakness, it's like, oh, well, hell, we'll get us a driver for next week. And, Rick, I just couldn't chance it. But these right front tires blown out at pocono. I mean, what do you got? Did you blow some right front tires?

[Charlie Marlo]

Was you dizzy ever Kenny Bristol, my first year of skull?

[Rick Mast]

Yeah.

[Charlie Marlo]

Three quarters. Three quarters of the way through the race. The tire blue loads going into turn one. The next thing I know, I'm climbing out of the car about halfway down the back stretch against the inside pit wall, right? And that week. That week, you know, my left arm was black and blue all the way down through here. And I didn't realize that. I was kind of screwy mentally at the time, but I was. The next week, we go to the racetrack. The key comes to me, Richard. He said, rick, he said, clobber that wall, didn't you last week? I said, yeah. He said, where you think you'd ended up if I hadn't hit you? I said, I thought for a minute. No, king, you didn't hit me. I blew a tire. I blew a tire. He said, yeah, I know. Blew a tire. But when you come off the wall, when I hit you, what do you think? I said, you never hit me. He took those long fingers and he went, how many fingers you count, right? I said, two. He said, you hit the wall, you turn straight off the wall, back down the racetrack. I hit dock the crap out of you in the left front and turns you back straight, and you ended up on the back straightaway, right? I'm like, damn, Richard. I don't remember that. He said, welcome to Winston cup racing, boy. There'll be more of them, right? I'm like, oh, crap. Oh, crap. But it knocked me out. And I didn't realize it. I didn't realize I got knife docked out one time. Rocket ham. They drugged me in the car. I was in the car out, and they drugged. They hooked the record to the car and drugged me to the garage area. Dude.

[Rick Mast]

And you were out.

[Charlie Marlo]

Yeah, I came to. I sitting there looking at a record. The garage let me down. David hoots. Remember David hoots?

[Rick Mast]

Oh, Hoots, yeah.

[Charlie Marlo]

Director that just left two or three years ago. He came to me the next week. Rick were using that car. Were you knocked out? I said, I reckon, Dave. Because all I remember is seeing the wrecker in the garage set my car down, and he just went ballistic. I'm like, you know, I mean, could you imagine doing that today, that ain't been that long. That was still the modern era. They just grab your ass and carry in the garage, get you off the racetrack. Man, it was crazy, Rick.

[Rick Mast]

I. I use this little statement by Ricky Craven, and I thought it was so profound. Ricky Craven said, one day we will look back on NASCAR racing and go, how barbaric. We would wreck and then run into a concrete wall.

[Charlie Marlo]

Yeah.

[Rick Mast]

I mean, we are so thankful nowadays. I mean, the person that dreamed up that safer barrier. You see the videos. Nowadays, that safer barrier flexes two feet. But I mean it. Ricky Craven is right. Can you believe we used to run right into concrete walls?

[Charlie Marlo]

You know the sad part, when we were there, Kenny, we were talking about how dangerous the car. The generation before us was those cars, right? I remember thinking, man, Those guys are 60s. They were in trouble. And now the guys. Look at what we did. Like, those guys were in trouble. Like. Yeah, yeah, okay. You know.

[Rick Mast]

They blew some right front tires. Everybody at Pocono. And we thought we'd share our stories about back in the day. And when you blew a right front tire back in the day, you were cheating death. You really were. It's like, oh, my God. You know, now it's still a very dangerous sport right now, but thank God for that safer barrier, Rick, because. Yes. I mean, there's. Listen, one morning we had, like. Remember back in the day, we'd have eight. 8:30 in the morning practice sessions at Pocono. My. I was going down the front straightaway. Schrader was behind me. He was okay. But a water plug. Remember, they used to just, you know, take a hammer and, you know, and put a water plug in the side of your block, right? And then later on, they started putting some pins in. My water plug fell out. And, buddy, I was on elbows going into one. I saved it. I saved it, but it's. It's my heart I couldn't get. I was like, schrader comes down. I mean, he gets out of his car and he goes, that was big, Herman. I said, oh, God, I'm glad somebody witnessed this.

[Charlie Marlo]

Yeah. You don't know. Not. Not Pocono, turn one. No, no, dude, we're. We're at. We're at Homestead. That's in Judy Donovan's car. The Hans thing has gotten hot, right? And I wasn't wearing it. Someone wearing it. I'm aware that Homestead. I put it on. I go out, practice a few laps. I come in. I'm Jack, Jack the car up. And I'm sitting here confined. I can't move my head. And I'm wanting to holler at the crew chief and fuss this spring and that sway bar and all that, right? I'm like, when this practice is over, I'm taking the hans out. Off I go out there, I run two laps, go down the start finish line, go to turn one. Right front tire blows. Oh, and you know, Kenny's drivers and the fans don't know this, but as a driver, you know the impact, you know the angle, the speed, you know what's fixed to happen, you know how hard it's going to hit. And I'm like, this particular hang, I'm like, oh, yeah, this could get me right. That thing hit the wall and it drove the right front tire back towards the firewall and all that. And when it hit, God, it hit hard, but it stopped. And I'm like, oh, yeah. Okay, still working. I'll tell you how bad a hit it was. By the time I was getting out of the car, Mike Helton and Gary Nelson had come out of the tower up top and driven down to the racetrack. They thought they had another fatality.

[Rick Mast]

Oh, Lord.

[Charlie Marlo]

Okay. By the impact, they were scared to death. And I got, I looked at us, the guys, I know they're not requiring this, but don't let anybody on the racetrack ever again without this.

[Rick Mast]

Yeah.

[Charlie Marlo]

And you couple that with this, with the soft walls. But anyhow, yeah, it's better. It's better.

[Rick Mast]

Yeah.

[Charlie Marlo]

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[Charlie Marlo]

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[Rick Mast]

Okay, everybody, on to the next subject. I know Charlie's gonna have Some jokes, you know, quietly. The joke portion of the show has become quite popular. I don't know about you guys, but I. I'll be somewhere, and. And somebody will just talk about it. It's kind of like that underground, quiet, fun thing about, you know, the show. And Schrader just. He's giddy about it. Sometimes he's so excited, he's got to tell the joke, like, at the start of the show. Okay. Another big subject at Pocono. Dale Earnhardt Jr. Fills in for Marty Lindley. Marty Lindley is the crew chief for Connor Zillage in the Xfinity series. So Marty Lindley gets suspended. Now, I. I do want to brag to everybody. I am bragging. My harm does hurt. I did a coffee with Kenny, and. And it was about Dale Jr. Becoming the crew chief, making the calls. And Dale Jr. Text me, because sometimes I don't believe Junior, But Junior says, I watch everything you put out, Herman. I'm like, right. That guy consumes more stuff. I don't know. Me. I start blinking. I'm like, oh, I've listened for 30 seconds. I'm out. But. But my point, Rick, is Marty Lindley gets suspended. Dale Jr. Says, Let me. Let me be the crew chief. And one of his employers goes, junior, your name's on the front of this building. You can do whatever you want to do. Well, on. Bless your heart, on, you know, Amy Earnhardt. And. And she thinks it's funny, too. She's like, oh, you're gonna do a little practice, huh, honey? Rolling the left front tire to your little tire changer? And. And he keeps a serious face. And he. He's not. He's not breaking. He's. He's like, I don't want to be the one to mess this tire changer up. And there's awesome pictures out there of when he was a kid, when he was a child. And he's got the tire gloves on, you know, in the GM Goodrich outfit. And Dale Jr. Is maybe 12 years old, and now he's 50, and he's got the tire gloves on. Dale Jr. Is convinced me that he is the ultimate race fan. He takes this deal serious. Steve Latart sits on the pit box with him. They win the damn race fair and square. And my point was like, listen, after it's all said and done, conspiracy theory all you want, but he took it serious, Rick. And, you know, whether it was too good to be true. Give me your thoughts on Junior. I mean, he loves racing, and that's all there is to it what was your thoughts?

[Charlie Marlo]

Yeah, he, he, the conspiracy part, I always use his he. I always use it, I always use him as example for all these fans that think, you know, that's car sets this stuff up. If that's the case, Earnhardt Jr. Would have five championships.

[Rick Mast]

Right.

[Charlie Marlo]

Why didn't they rig his thing, Bernhardt Jr. Our most popular driver, to have a bunch of championships? It's all that stuff is a bunch of crap and it always has been. It's like Schrader says, you know, get the call. You get the call. Schrader said, I gave everybody my number for years, every number I had, I gave my phone numbers. But I never.

[Rick Mast]

You're going to win this week.

[Charlie Marlo]

Yeah. Yeah. I never got that call, never got any of those calls and they had my numbers. But now the thing about Junior, man, we're so fortunate as a sport that he came from the family he came from okay, with his granddaddy, Robert G. His granddad. Yep. Ralph Moody, Dale Earnhardt, the whole deal, the family. We're so fortunate that he has the mindset that he has that understands and respects his sport. He understands where the really, he understands probably better than a lot of us where the sport came from, what caused the sport to get to where it got to now. And he tries to reveal those things, he tries to cover those things, he tries to bring those things to the public view. Right. What got the sport here? Why is it like it is what the deal is, what's wrong with the sport now? What can we do better, right? I mean, he's dead. He's dead serious too. I mean everything he does about this deal, he's dead serious. And then to jump in to do the one off crew chief thing, I mean, you saw the seriousness of it. You saw how he relished within. Right. I mean he very basic, let's put it this way. He's a racer.

[Rick Mast]

He really is.

[Charlie Marlo]

It's hard for how do you articulate, Kenny, to the mass of viewers we have the millions of viewers, especially the young ones, what the word racer means me and you know, what the word racer means again, we could talk for an hour. What the narrative of Eraser is. Right. We can't do it. But he's Eraser. Maybe you can elaborate on that a little bit.

[Rick Mast]

I, I, I just got a quick story and he told it and I was listening to it and I think this explains Dale Jr, you know, when Teresa and and Senior were married, you know, Junior said I was kind of lost in translation. Him and Kelly, it's a very profound story. I'm gonna do my very best. I'm. I'm gonna tell it accurately. It's not exactly the way Junior said, but he said, here I am a kid, and my dad and. And, you know, family said, hey, we're going to sign you up for art school because you. You like drawing. And. And. And Dale Jr. Said. I was mortified. They did. They didn't recognize I was drawing race cars, so they thought I was going to be an artist. He's like, dad, I'm drawing race cars. I want to race. I want to race, dad. I don't want to be an artist. Everything I draws of a race car. And, you know, it's sad, but for racing, this Dirty Mo Media, it deserves an Emmy because. And I've always said this, it's kind of like that little tune. It goes. And you're waiting for the dun dun. The Dirty Mo media with Dale Junior. You have all these people coming out at the end of their careers now telling, like, Paul Harvey the rest of the story. And for years, people were vilified, you know, and now they're all coming on dirty mo media 20 years later, and they go, oh, this is why that happened. And everybody's like, oh, well, we hated you. We thought that was your fault. And now here's Dale Jr. With these becoming earnhards with everything, and you're like, I thought he was Dale Junior's son. Come to find out Dale Jr is obsessed and loves racing. And one more thing. I walked up in Dale Junior's bus when he was smoking, and that shocked me. I'm like, holy, you're smoking. And I said to him, it's when I was driving the Pennzoil car, you know, because Steve park got hurt. It was at Atlanta. And he said something to me, profound. I looked at him, I said, man, you're famous. Dale Jr looked me right in the face and said, I can't help it. And I thought, well, I'll be damn. He can't.

[Charlie Marlo]

Yeah, right, right, right.

[Rick Mast]

He loves racing, and that's all there is to it. We. He can't help. He's famous. And you got anything else to end this story? I just. I just want to. I want to solidify. He was the damn crew chief. He won the race.

[Charlie Marlo]

Yeah, he just. Just. It just. Again, as. As I opened up with this, I. I just feel. Yeah, we're. We're fortunate. We're very fortunate that we have him and his statute, with his mindset as a racer, doing what he does for Our sport. You know, it's that simple.

[Rick Mast]

Rick, I went to take a. I'm out of coffee and. Oh, no.

[Charlie Marlo]

Sooko. Coffee at that.

[Rick Mast]

Yeah, High octane. Let me see. High. High octane. Okay, everybody, we are at that part of the show. We're going to wrap it up with two fun things. Charlie, I'm gonna bring up this, and then I guess we'll end with jokes, but we're done with racing, everyone. But maybe we're not. AI Artificial intelligence. This is my rally cry. And, Rick, I'm gonna let you start out because you told a funny story. You're on any social media now. And. And, you know, I didn't understand. They're like, artificial intelligence. It's going to ruin the world. I'm like, how? How? Rick, are you seeing what I'm seeing now on Facebook? These stories?

[Charlie Marlo]

Dude, I'm telling you, if. If Chase Elliott could do and does all the things that's been going on with this I alter official intelligence thing on Facebook, I'm like, I mean, I got people calling me. I can't even go to the restroom. What's this about Chase Elliott, his dog left him and he found him in the. I'm like, what? I mean, what? He's. His dad's coming back to race and he's firing Chase. What? It's like, people, stop this crap. I mean, and they put it out there, and I'm like. And I read it. First time I read some of it, like, what's this all about? Right? And it looks real. Oh, it looks exactly real. It's great. I mean, it looks great. It looks perfect. And I'm like, no, that ain't true. That's not true. But people read this stuff and believe it and, like. And it's everywhere. They started out with. With Chase, right? They're still on him, but now they would.

[Rick Mast]

Bubba.

[Charlie Marlo]

What did they have? Josevor had a. A hooker or what? Did he. Yeah, porn star back in the room with him. It's just one thing after another, guys.

[Rick Mast]

But I. I had a real person text me this picture and said, on your next coffee with Kenny, do a story about Bubba Wallace says he's quitting nascar and if they don't get rid of that white flag. I said, it's fake, man. He's like, oh, yeah, that was a good one.

[Charlie Marlo]

That was a good one. That was a very good one. They put out, Geez.

[Rick Mast]

But. And then. Then they. They took something I tweeted, and they said, kenny Wallace mortifies the Mexico race. Because I said 75. I said, I said this on, on x. I said 75 of the people love NASCAR. The other 25 are old and miserable. Well, I'm just getting people's goat. It's a great conversation. All right, all right. And this AI, they, they used it. The headline is Kenny Wallace. Charlie, what was that headline? Was it Kenny Wallace Mortifies the Mess?

[Kenny Wallace]

At least that one, though they actually took the words you said. So, yeah, there was some truth. I know they had kind of a catchy headline. But the stuff you're talking about in Facebook is just totally made up. It's almost like National Enquirer, you know, somebody gave birth to an alien baby type stuff back in the day you see at the grocery store.

[Rick Mast]

So guys, we are in trouble with AI and said, Kenny, like Earnhardt said.

[Charlie Marlo]

You know, talking bad or talking good, at least they're talking about you. So it is publicity.

[Rick Mast]

Hey, do you think we're going to call it the National Inquirer? Because, listen, children, me and Rick are in our 60s. In our day, you'd roll up at the grocery store and you'd be wanting your mom to buy some candy, and you knew she was going to buy that Inquirer. And, and, and in the store, the main story was this family in New Jersey had Bigfoot living in their house. And we'd buy it and we'd still read it.

[Charlie Marlo]

I want to see Bigfoot at my house. I want Bigfoot.

[Rick Mast]

Rick, why did, why did we buy that? Why did our mother buy it?

[Charlie Marlo]

I don't know. It's the only thing we had to do to reach out past digging, fishing worms and friggin, I don't know, doing the country stuff we did as kids and that stuff come along.

[Rick Mast]

Oh, Charlie, is AI gonna save NASCAR with these crazy stories? Because I look at these AI stories and they're getting. Okay, that story they did on me was over 200, a quarter of a million views. It made me famous.

[Charlie Marlo]

I'm telling you. Good publicity, bad publicity. Get it out there.

[Kenny Wallace]

Yeah, that one had the AI voice. That's what you're seeing a lot on, on YouTube and these, these social media sites. They're just using, you know, somebody writes a script or AI writes the script, then they have an AI voiceover person. I've kind of been tinkering with that a little bit. But also there's, there's some rules on YouTube about if you use AI, you have to disclose it. I think the AI stuff does way better on Facebook and Instagram where they're not monetizing it the same way as. As YouTube. They have different rules on YouTube.

[Rick Mast]

Okay, so we're gonna end this like this. Everybody, AI's here. Bubba Wallace is quitting because they're using the white flag. Carson Hostavari's got a hooker in a. Checking in a hotel. What are they saying about Chase? I remember what it was, and I just don't want to go down that road.

[Charlie Marlo]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, that.

[Rick Mast]

That one. That one there was pretty ugly.

[Charlie Marlo]

Thank you.

[Rick Mast]

So it's here, everybody. All I can say is maybe it will make NASCAR famous because the stories are so outlandish that you click on it and. Holy moly. Hang on, everyone. They say, like, some of the AI pictures, if you look close, some of the people only got, like, four fingers. Like, if you really. Charlie, what do you know about that?

[Kenny Wallace]

Yeah, also I've. I've made some images through Grok where if it's a very famous person, it can make it look just like the person. But, like, you'll look at their shirt and. And the language won't really be English. It'll be kind of messed up.

[Charlie Marlo]

Right?

[Kenny Wallace]

So, like, AI is getting there. I'm sure it'll be perfect in a year or two. But right now there's still some. There's still some glitches. Yeah. All the people almost look like they're these same looking, like, inbred people. If you look. They all look the same with the eyes.

[Charlie Marlo]

Yeah.

[Rick Mast]

Oh, my Lord. Rick, you summed it all up. Good publicity. Just publicity, baby. But, oh, I think it's going to get us in trouble. But that's okay because it put more attention on. On nascar. And in ending, they warned us. They warned us. They said, AI is not good. So it's here to stay, it looks like. Okay, here we are at the very end. And Charlie, before I read my last Fox Factory read, what do we got for jokes?

[Kenny Wallace]

All right, first of all, before the jokes, got to tell everybody once again about the merch line. You got all the Herman Trader merch, all the Dirty Mo shows, hats, T shirts, hoodies. Visit shop.dirtymomedia.com to check out all the new stuff. I think. I think today I cracked the code because our jokes were too corny back in the day. But here's the other thing. The jokes, if you go online and you Google jokes, you either get really corny dad jokes or you get really inappropriate. Now, they're funny, but, like, I don't. I don't know if we can read them all on Dirty Mo Media. So I think today I found a good balance in the middle. I did a little more homework because I've been bad on the joke. So here we go. I think these are good. All right, the first one. Why do divorces cost so much money? Why do divorces cost so much money?

[Rick Mast]

I. I know a lot of people that don't think that is a joke.

[Kenny Wallace]

Because they're worth it.

[Rick Mast]

Oh.

[Kenny Wallace]

Oh, Okay. A little edgy.

[Rick Mast]

Here we go.

[Kenny Wallace]

Here we go. These are all. These are all edgier. Edgier than the past. Did you hear. Did you hear about the proctologist whose wife cheated on him? Did you hear about the proctologist whose wife cheated on him?

[Rick Mast]

What is a proctologist?

[Charlie Marlo]

He's a guy. Long finger.

[Rick Mast]

Oh. Sticks it up my butt.

[Charlie Marlo]

Okay, what was. What was the movie? Cannonball Run. Yeah. Never mind.

[Kenny Wallace]

All right, so the answer. Did you hear about the proctologist whose wife cheated on him? It totally wrecked him.

[Rick Mast]

That's good. Yeah.

[Kenny Wallace]

Totally wrecked him. All right, here we go. I asked. I asked my wife. Rick likes that.

[Rick Mast]

Rick. Rick is like the Johnny Carson Show. You're Ed McMahon. I love it. Me, too.

[Charlie Marlo]

No, it's just you guys. Yo. Go ahead. Go ahead. Yeah.

[Kenny Wallace]

I asked my wife to embrace her mistakes. I asked my wife to embrace her mistakes. So she hugged me.

[Charlie Marlo]

That's kind of corny. We all know we're mistakes. We're all as husbands. Okay, go into it knowing that.

[Kenny Wallace]

Two more. Did you hear about the naked guy that broke into a church? Did you hear about the naked guy that broke into a church?

[Rick Mast]

Okay, the police.

[Kenny Wallace]

The police caught him by the organ pretty good.

[Rick Mast]

Okay, I got. Hold on. I got interrupted.

[Charlie Marlo]

What? A hoodie was playing.

[Rick Mast]

We grew up in the Johnny Carson show and they had the Amazing Kreskin. You know, where Johnny Carson would put the hat on and he would always ask the question two times in a row.

[Charlie Marlo]

So.

[Rick Mast]

Charlie, I like that you do that key. Always ask the question twice, because that's awesome.

[Kenny Wallace]

Okay, final joke. Sadly, I was there for my father's last words, so. Sadly, I was there for my father's last words. They were. Are you still holding the ladder?

[Rick Mast]

Oh, my.

[Charlie Marlo]

Oh, my.

[Rick Mast]

My wife is calling me. Honey, we're still doing the show live. We are. This is one of our longer shows. Honey, it's an hour and 20 minutes. I'll call you right back.

[Charlie Marlo]

Oh, gosh. Hit the ground.

[Rick Mast]

My wife's calling me because she's like, there's no way they're still doing that show. All right, everybody, we want to thank our sponsor, Fox Factory Vehicles for bringing everyone's today's episode of Herman Schrader with our dear friend and our partner in crime, Rick Mast. Rick, we want to thank you very much and we are thankful for Fox Factory Vehicles continued partnership with myself and Dirty Mo Media. Fox Factory Vehicles delivers the thrill, build and price your dream right today@foxfactory vehicles.com Fox factory vehicles where performance meets precision. And I knew we'd go too long because, Rick, you are the damn best.

[Charlie Marlo]

With these and man, thanks for having me on, guys. It's truly an honor. It's truly an honor to be on here. Thank you so much. I love it.

[Rick Mast]

All right, everybody, that's it. Thanks for, thanks for tuning in to Herman Schrader. Rick Mass, love you so much. And until the next Herman Schrader show, we'll see you next time, everybody. Goodbye. Check out Dirty Mo Media on Twitter, Facebook, TikTok and Instagram.

[Kenny Wallace]

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[Charlie Marlo]

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