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Herm & Schrader
Darlington Was A Beatdown. Briscoe Owned It
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Kenny Wallace and Ken Schrader are back after the long Labor Day weekend. Darlington presented an abundance of storylines, with Chase Briscoe holding off Tyler Reddick to capture his second straight Southern 500, Hendrick Motorsports struggles, and playoff driver problems galore. The boys debate: Is Connor Zilisch cheating or just using every inch of the NASCAR rulebook? And Ken Schrader scored his 10th win of the year at DuQuoin! The guys discuss some of the great history at that track, including a legendary performance from A.J. Foyt. All that and more this week on Herm & Schrader!
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CT Mobile.com Network Herman Schrader on the Dirty Mo Media platform from the middle of America in St. Louis, Missouri, starts right now. The following is a production of Dirty Mo Media. I'm looking at Kenny Schrader right now.
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C
He has a drink during the show. I mean.
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A
Yeah. How in the world did we agree to do a podcast?
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C
I like spending time with you.
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A
That makes me happy.
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C
Well, it's all about making you happy.
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A
We're always honest.
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C
We don't know that we're not in trouble already. And sometimes truthful. What makes you think you're not a little different?
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A
You're weird too. Herman Schrader. I sure do like that T shirt you're wearing. Kenny Schrader.
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C
Oh, National Speed Sport News, man. I remember that was. That was the only way you could find out who won, you know, last week, you know, so I mean, I remember reading that since I could read. So I love it.
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A
I got a. You're a young man, Charlie Marlon. That T shirt that Kenny Schrader is wearing. My mom and dad, I don't know what Day, Kenny, Was it Tuesdays, Wednesdays?
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C
I don't think we usually get it till Friday.
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A
Yeah, something like that.
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C
Came from New Jersey.
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A
Who owned that? I forgot.
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C
Chris Economist.
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A
The great Chris Economist.
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C
Yeah. And then Ralph Shahane and whoever own it now.
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So mom and dad would say, run down and get the speed toward. I mean, I could be in Mondaware. Run down the hill, grab the speed sport out of the. Out of the mailbox, run back up and see where Kenny Schrader finished in the sportsman division at Lake Hill. You were there.
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C
You were there.
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A
Yeah, but wasn't it called Sportsman at that time, Ken?
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C
It's sportsman. Yeah. When I first started. Yeah. Yeah.
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A
And all the drivers.
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C
It was a hobby car. You can call it what you want. It was a hobby.
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A
It was awesome.
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C
Hey, you know, I saw the other day, I saw Easy Ed.
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A
No way.
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C
Yes. He was lettering a truck over at Eddie Petrov's. Petrov Towing. Look good. Eddie told me. He said he's been lettering my stuff since, like, 1974. I said he let her. My first one in 1971, you know, but Eddie Ed looked good.
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Okay, now here's a great story. Nobody smokes as much dope as Easy Ed, so I'm telling you, it is true. Even though we. We condemn it, it is true that that must be a great medicine. Look at him.
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C
Oh, yeah, yeah. Good.
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A
Was he still using the wooden stick?
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C
Oh, yeah, yeah. But he was pinstriping. Hadn't started lettering yet. He was pinstriping and just. Man, this just by hand. That. What a talent. I mean, that's a. That's one of those arts. That's, you know, sign painting because of all the vinyl and everything now it's. I mean, I'm not going to say it's gonna go away completely, but it's gonna be harder and harder to find a good sign painter.
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Mom would literally let me take a day off school to watch him. I would beg.
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C
Yeah, that was a big deal. And Easy. When Easy came to the shop, it was a big deal.
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A
Easy Ed. What's his last name? Do we know?
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C
Ed. His first name's Easy? Yeah.
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A
Oh, my God, Man. Seeing that. Seeing that T shirt brings back great memories. And then you add Easy Ed on it. Who painted all the race cars back in the 70s? He. I'm so happy. This is a play. This made my day. Easy Ed is still alive.
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C
Yeah. And he was lettering. So what makes me happy was it was Labor Day, and I. That's one of my favorite weekends for racing of the year. And man, we had them all over.
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A
So you went to duo, you and I discussed this. We feel like the two mile tracks that we know now since Indiana fairgrounds is gone is Dcoin and Springfield. Tell us about your weekend.
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C
Well, I was very fortunate that Hans Lean let me drive his Silver Crown car and I was a teammate with Shane Cochran. We had to qualify last because we didn't, we had push off, we didn't use a starter and Shane had a problem anyway we switched cars for the.
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Feature so we said oh my gosh.
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C
Shane had a, Shane's car had a water problem. It was, it was spitting out water. My car was good. We had the, my car had a better chance of finishing the race. Shane had a better chance of running faster than me because that's, you know, that's his deal is the Silver Crown cars and we hadn't done it in so long so we started like 27, 28, 26, 27, something like that. We were up to 19th like at 30 laps and we had pull in because we spit out water and temperature gauge started acting up and Shane was up to 6th and still coming and he had a fuel problem so we didn't get to finish. We want it. But then we were fortunate enough to go there on the mile with the modified and Trev Jacoby, you know, which we all love trim, love racing with him, good, good people and he won his heat, he had quick time, we were second, we were in different heats. We both want our heat started up front row together and he led for half of it and played lap car wrong and we wound up winning.
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So you know, and Treb's listening right now. So Treb, I'm, I'm walking on eggshells when I say this but I mean this is full love. Treb is a little Kenny Wallace, he's jacked up on Mountain Dew. I, I mean but Treb loves racing and you know I used to get aggravated with Treb because he was like me just would not, you know, I really.
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C
That aggravates you?
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Yeah, a little bit.
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C
Yeah.
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I told him, I told him and his dad come over Bert, Bert goes, why did you quit following Treb on social media? I said, well his last post was me and Dean Hoffman was in his way and I said okay, we're done. He has no respect for me. So now Bert and the whole Jacoby family, we love each other dearly. Treb had some grown up to do but then I realized a lot of it was me, it was my fault because he loves racing so much that he's just super excited. Like me.
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C
Yeah, yeah. No, I was. I mean, I was following him, you know, and I, I mean, I wanted to win damn race, but I was following him and I stayed on him just to kind of make him get aggressive with the lap cars because it, you know, place pretty narrow. You know, when it gets dusty on the outside, it's pretty narrow. If you mess one up, you know, it, you can. They have troubles in a heartbeat. So I kind of kept a little pressure on him and I was. He played one wrong. We got by then we were okay. And I felt, I mean, yeah, it was great to win a race. Felt bad for Treb, you know, I mean, it's one of the few times you win the race, but you feel bad for second place. Not bad enough that I wanted him to win, but you know, he'll win a lot more there.
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You know, this, this is. Now, listen, I'm not going deep, but I'm just, I'm saying what you know, and you're gonna play it like you don't know what I'm talking about. It, it's the same thing with brother Rusty Herman. You stay the third brother and I'll be the alpha male.
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C
Yeah.
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So for me, it's like Kenny Schrader's like, okay, look, I'll keep winning the miles, you keep running second, and we're all good.
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C
Now. Whoever, you know, whoever gets there first.
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Yeah.
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Wins the mile. You know, wins any race. It doesn't make any difference. You just got to be the first one to get there.
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Yeah, well, listen, one thing I know growing up as a kid is how important the nostalgic. I saw your wife on her golf cart. The whole, the whole gang's over there. Your, your brother in law, Pat Walsh, is married to your sister Sherry. They put up great pictures. And I know, you know, I think one of these days I'll make it back over there. But I do want to say this, and I mean this with utmost respect. People say to me, why don't you go to the mile, Kenny? I'm, look, I've already ran the Springfield Mile. I've already ran Indiana fairgrounds. I stay my lane. And I know for me to go to the mile, I'd have to come over with a notepad and I'd have to sit down with Joey and you. And I'm like, okay, what'll, what all do I got to do to this car?
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You know, Hey, a couple, no, a couple years ago was seven or eight years ago, we won the mile and tested the car the night before at Macon. Yeah, yeah, we tested it Macon. Went to the Walmart lot, spent the night in Walmart and Carbondale or someplace and made a few changes and went to the mile. It's not that big a change, really.
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Yeah, well, what would my mother say? Color me wrong. Okay, so the coin was awesome. Kenny. What? All divi. I do want to go through all the divisions here because, like, Speed Sport, Decoyne deserves its attention. I know ARC was there. What all divisions ran there.
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C
Well, they don't run Maine sun or Saturday. The USEC Silver Crown cars were there.
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Right, right.
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C
And CJ Leary won the race. Led most all of it. I think. He didn't start up front.
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A
I think that was an emotional win for him about his dad or something.
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C
It was his first winner in a mild dirt, I think. But anyway, it was. It was good race. 28 cars. They qualified and heat raced the modifieds that day. And then Sunday was a ARCA race, which had a really good ARCA race. They had 20 cars, but had three or four different leaders. It was good race. And I went up grandstands, watched most of it. And it was under the lights. It was neat. Butterbean one. So that was. That was cool.
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A
He's on a roll.
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C
Oh, he's on a roll. Good kid. And I still. I'm just very partial to that series. So we run our. Our race before them on Sunday. They qualify, we run our race. They line up and run and, you know, it's been. I don't know. The Saturday race was the 71st annual Ted Harm memorial. Now that was. That was a Indy car race back in the day. Make Miami 1974 or something. They took the dirt tracks off the Indy car schedule. But up until then, right over here, I got the trophy. Floyd won in 1960, and that was his first IndyCar race win at Du Quoin, Illinois.
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So when I say that AJ Foyt, Marion Dreddy ran dirt, is it because they wanted to run dirt or they had to because of points?
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C
Well, it's this. That's what you ran. You ran dirt and asphalt. You ran whatever. But the. The Indy car series, the Hoosier Hunter was the second highest paying IndyCar race of the year.
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I'll be damn, Charlie. So you'd run the. You'd run the Indianapolis 500, the world's greatest race. And then Kenny's just taught me a big lesson. Did you know that, Charlie?
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I had no clue. That's. That's pretty amazing.
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Yeah. Flight one year, I don't know, 65, six, something like that. One Springfield, I think it was. It was one Springfield. Went to Milwaukee the next day and his whatever, his Indy car, rear engine car wasn't ready. And he unloaded his dirt car and put pavement tires on it and Saturn the pole and run second. You can google that. Google that photo, Charlie, because it's AJ Flight Milwaukee dirt car. And it shows him. I think he's starting next to Dan Gurney and Gurney's like looking up at him in that car. He runs second because they weren't geared up for the quick refueling like the. The rear engine cars. But you know, he set the sport back 20 years right there.
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You. You say this so beautifully. And I am, I mean, I am in utter. I'm not exaggerating. I'm in shock right now. I can't believe that. That is so awesome.
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C
Oh, it was. I mean, he. It was. It was really cool. And I was down there. A dozen years ago, something stopped in at Houston shop.
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There it is.
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Yeah. Show the. Show the lineup. I think that bottom photo. Show that bottom photo.
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So he ran dirt with that the day before and then ran unreal.
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Yeah, there he is on the pole. Hold it. Way up there. Yeah, there he is on the pole in that dirt car. And that's all rear engine cars behind him for ways. And he set it on the pole.
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That is unbelievable. Everybody for everybody. That is on dirty mo Media right now, Charlie. Tell Everybody now on YouTube, Charlie. You know, everybody can see this work. How did you find that, Charlie?
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I just googled AJ Foyt Milwaukee dirt card.
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Wow. Yeah, that is unbelievable. And he's got to be sitting feet higher like, you know, I guarantee the.
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C
Top of his helmet's couple feet taller.
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So much for low cg.
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Yeah.
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In those days.
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Yep.
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So, wow, that just blows me away.
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Okay. So the coin lives on everybody. It's still rolling and it is exciting. And a shout out. Kenny, can you. You were there. Tell us about our local Kyle Steffens. He ran good.
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C
Kyle ran real good. He finished fifth or sixth, maybe six. Yeah, and he ran fourth for a long time. But Kyle, I mean, qualified up good. He ran real good. You know, Kyle's won a couple modified races there. But I mean he's, he does, he does an excellent job in that Silver crown car for no longer than he's been in it.
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Yeah. And Kyle Steffen's family's got a lot of Kenny Schrader type in them because Wally Anderson, Wally is a open wheel guy, you know, owned Webb Spalding's car. And when I asked Kyle, I say, Kyle, why do you do that? He goes, man, it's all dad. And you know Wally and you know, I'm like, okay, you know, because never really understood what Kyle was doing. You know, I said, what are you doing? You know, you go, you go back and forth in cars mods. But he says he's getting ready to fire the mod back up and. But man, what a great family tradition it is over there for, for everybody. And hey, before we leave to coin, I gotta tell everybody this story. We're talking about Trev Jacoby, who's a great race car driver who you know is a lot like me and. But Treb said one of the reasons they really go over there is the grandpa loved it so much that they, the grandpa died and got cremated and they literally dumped the ashes out on the back straightaway. That's so as crazy as we all think. Whatever we think that's how emotional.
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C
Yeah.
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The coin is for the Jacoby family.
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Yeah, I went there first time with Daddy in 63 and I just been wanting to go every year since. But it was a long time ago. They dumped the mashes because we weren't using many tear offs.
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You were dreaming that one up. Yeah, well, Charlie, deep breath. I know that when dirty mo media and you, you all edit this up, you just. You're all about NASCAR all the time because that was, that's what gets the clicks. We never get no good dirt shorts. But we, we tried like heck. Kenny Schrader So.
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Well, I think we can. I think we'll. We'll show that A.J. floyd picture.
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That's pretty good. Yes. That's the way we did it. Kenny. That. That was badass right there.
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Well, there was racing everywhere this weekend. It always is. Memorial Day, Labor Day, a lot of specials.
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Yeah, do that one, Charlie. That's. That's badass. Okay, we are going to head to Darlington. Speak. Speaking of history, the track that's too tough to tame. The lady in black. Before we even get to it, I'm. We know that Chase Briscoe won it, but Kenny, Charlie Marlowe said something to me before we got going. I'm just gonna say this and you respond. Chase Briscoe, 2016 ARCA champion. Chase Briscoe. 11 Xfinity wins. Chase Briscoe, four time cup winner. My God, I had no idea where. I mean, I don't know if it's modern era. There's just so much going on. Chase Briscoe has arrived. Like here. He's here.
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C
Yeah. Six poles this year, I believe. Already. Chase Briscoe is. It's very refreshing because he came without a checkbook.
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Mmm.
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Big Indiana sprint carboy.
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Brownstown, Indiana.
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Well, yeah, I mean, I don't know which track was local. I heard him say it the other day. Which was his local track. Started when he was 13, I think 13 or 14. Went down there at Cunningham's when he wound up winning the ARCA championship. But he was working in the shop and doing everything he could and wound up getting a chance. And here he is. There's no telling how many years he can. He can do this if he wants to do this. In victory lane with the one little older boy. Older boy. I don't know how he is. Four or five, I don't. I don't know. And then a pair of twins. So he's looking good. Heck of a future. Second year in a row he's won Southern 500. Southern 500 is a bucket list win. And here he is two years in a row.
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And to add on what Kenny just said, Chase Briscoe wins Darlington. Complete domination. Leads 309 laps, the most since 1971. Bobby Allison, now that's per NASCAR. What? What are you thinking?
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I did not know that.
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Oh, that's. I thought I said something wrong. No, that.
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That he led. That. That's not a race. That in, you know, since 19, oh, whatever, has been dominated like that, you.
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Know, I don't think it's a secret. Everybody, Kenny Schrader and myself we raced during the weekends.
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C
Yeah.
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We get on social media to see what happened. Yeah. So, Kenny, that. That is shocking, huh?
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Oh, that's huge. That's huge, Dominic. Any race but Darlington especially, you know, and everything's got to go right because to. To win, I mean, to dominate that many laps, you get a bad pit stop out there and you come out in 10 or 12, which I don't even know if it happened. Probably not. If he won, that may lead that many laps. But, you know, it's just not an easy place to pass cars. And you lose so much track position trying to pass somebody that you get behind, but that is huge. And when you go back, you did something that hadn't been done since 71.
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Yeah. Bobby Allison. That's pretty big since we started to show up with the coin. I was scrolling social media. NBC had a really good article. I don't have no idea why they got to this conversation, but we all know that, like you, like a lot of the great NASCAR drivers, they all want to pay it back to what got them where they're at, and that's dirt racing. But Chase Briscoe said, I'm done with sprint cars. My very best friend got paralyzed. I love sprint cars. I want to support them.
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C
He said he was done earlier in the year, I believe it was, or last fall, even.
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Yeah, well, we. We love dirt racing, and we understand the theory that, you know, you get killed walking across the street. But Kenny Schrader, I want to say this. Kenny Schrader, the man you're looking at right now, he taught me something that a lot of you don't know. And Kenny, you probably don't know it, but we limit our liability. And so I'm not going to condemn Chase Brisco, and here's why. Because we watched Alex Bowman flip really bad and put himself out of a sprint car a couple years ago. And I.
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C
If.
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If it's in his head, if it's in Chase's head, don't do it.
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C
See, Chase. Chase quitting having three. Three young children and running fast and driving for Joe Gibbs Racing and winning cup races and quitting driving his sprint car, that. That really. That really aggravates me because that shows me what a dumbass I always was. Because I think he's did the right thing. Yeah, I. But I didn't quit. I think he did the right thing. He's. Yeah, friggin's that much smarter than. Than us.
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Yeah. But I want to give you credit because you did teach me to kind of Stay my lane, you know, through all my years around you and whether you think you taught me that or not, you know, let's talk about the race. Yeah, well, we're talking about Chase Briscoe to talk about. Yeah, but Chase Briscoe, this is good, good stuff.
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C
So that's big.
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A
Okay, Charlie, you said he's got. Tell us his stats.
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D
Chase Briscoe, okay, career stats like you said, won the arca championship in 2016.
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A
That was.
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He's got two truck wins. He was sixth in the truck series in 2017. That's two wins in just 29 races. He has 11 wins in Xfinity in just 87 races. He was fourth place in 2020. And then four cup wins, 43 top tens, eight polls, career. As Schrader said, six of them are this year. And I feel like, know just thinking of Chase Brisco, I felt like he'd been in the cup series longer than he has been. I mean, his first race was 20, 21. He kind of looks old. He looks old, but he's only 30. And I say he looks old only because he's talked about this. He's got the Joey Logano issue before Joey Logano got his hair transplant. So Chase Brisco has had fun with that. He's one of those guys that balded a little early.
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Well, it shows he can sit on a lot of polls at 8 and he can lead a lot of laps at the toughest racetrack. So, hey, there's such thing as late bloomers. 30 years old. Man, oh man. Okay, Kenny, late bloomer. Well, I mean here. I mean, most of these guys here lately have been winning at 16 and 20 years old. Yeah, I mean, he's getting it done. I mean, it's a.
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C
It's. That's pretty cool. And here we are, we got two more races before the first cut off and he can start worrying about the last race of the year. He can start worrying about championship.
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Yeah, we're going to go to St. Louis this weekend. Shout out to Worldwide Technology Raceway. So this Sunday we are very lucky here in St. Louis. Dirty Mo Media from the middle of America, St. Louis, Missouri, the NASCAR cup series and the Xfinity series comes right here to St. Louis. And it's always been a really good race. And NASCAR reward. Curtis Francois the owner and Chris Blair the general manager. So. And then after St. Louis, like Kenny's saying, we go to Bristol. So that's three races right there. Okay, so Kenny, you said let's talk about this race. Let's do that.
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C
Well, you have to because I didn't get to see it.
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I thought to myself, I've listened to this show before. I'm like, why do I talk so much? It's because Kenny don't know nothing because.
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C
You like to talk. I tell everybody that I was told that I only have to talk when you say something wrong or stupid. And I wind up talking a lot more than I thought I was going to have to. Yeah, I'm just kidding you.
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I know. It's all good. It's all good. It's all good.
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Now I'm, I'm going to be the one to kind of cliche this. Everybody knows when I say your family that means Mr. H. We all know how close you are to Mr. Rick. So something happened over the weekend this very first. I mean articles coming out galore. For the first time in a long time they all struggled. Every one of the cars. Now I wrote, wrote this down here because I wanted to be ready for you. Chad can now who runs Hendrick now kind of like the competition director, you know, just for a minute there that this kind of happened. You know at one point Chad Canals was, you know, know the seven time Jimmy Johnson crew chief and all of a sudden he's just, he's now runs the show over there as far as competition goes. So if everybody wants to know really what Chad does, Chad runs it all over there. As far as race cars. Chad Canal said all four cars had no speed because all four cars pushed meaning they would not turn into the corner when the drivers went to turn left the cars would not turn left the way they wanted them to. Now a little bit more here, Kenny. Rudy Fugal, who's the crew chief for William Bryan said they were embarrassed this week, all four cars and this will be the end of this and then I want you to comment. So number one, Alex Bowman finished 31st, lost two laps because of a bad air gun at the start of the race. William Byron, who was your regular season champion, just didn't run good and finished 21st. Kyle Larson was like their best. He was running 10th to 15th, but he had splitter damage. He finished 19th. And Chase Elliott told the media afterwards, he goes, I don't know what was wrong with us. Y' all got to tell me. He finished 17th. So in the racing world, Kenny, the highest team there is a NASCAR right now, the ones that have had the most success, they struggled mightily. What's your thoughts?
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C
It happens, you know and I know that you know those, those very top team, any of the teams, but those very top multi car teams when it happens, it's a full court press around the shop come Monday morning. But I know what it's like around HMS when things don't go right and I would look for a lot better performance this week because they, they hit it hard now and all the teams do but they have so many resources net and they, they hit it hard. But it does happen.
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A
I like the way you said, you.
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C
Know that like Chase finished 17th, you know how good you, I mean yes, that's bad for them, but you know how good effort it takes to finish 17th.
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A
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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C
They're just used to having that, that, that extra edge and they didn't have it this week, but they'll get it.
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A
I want to add this in there. This new next gen car has caught a lot of racers off guard including big brother Rusty Wallace. Rusty's used to building his own race cars, getting an advantage on the competition because I can build a race car better than you and now you put a good driver in it and now they're going to smoke the field. This next gen car, you know, now it shows that, you know, everybody's got the same car. Drivers are good, but they're not as great as we thought they were. And yes, the best ones do still rise to the top. But my opinion is, and I had a conversation with this about Rusty. It is good, it is awesome to think you are the greatest of all time. But now all these guys got all the same cars and it can just take something small. With this next gen car and it really has equalized all the teams. And that's where Hendrick, you know, as good as they are, they, they find themselves out. They're not allowed to build that car, you know, that dominates.
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C
They're still allowed to do one of the, maybe up to 1,000 different adjustments on it. And it's no different than a forget about this car in the open wheel cars. It's, you know, for a long time, I mean, like the open wheels stuff, non wing, everyone had beast cars for the longest time, but you still get people that win and win and win because they got a better combination driver and crew chief. So it's still forget about what everybody's racing. If they're racing wheelbarrows. The, the, the better combinations, the better teams are going to get it done, make theirs faster.
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A
Charlie, you want to finish this off? And we'll go to Connor Zillich and Tony Stewart. Hang on, Everybody. We got 15 minutes left. You want to give us top five or top 10 on the Southern 500?
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D
Top 10. Southern 500.
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C
Let me look.
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D
I just switched to the, to the playoff, to the playoff results. So here's the top 10 Southern 500. Chase Briscoe wins. This was Toyota domination, by the way. Toyota six of the top seven.
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A
It's interesting. Illegal, illegal, but you guys are talking about Hendrick.
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D
Remember St. Louis coming up. This has been a Ford track. St. Louis has been a Ford track with Cindric winning and Logano winning. But. So Briscoe wins. Reddick second, almost chased him down at the end. Eric Jones third, John Hunter Nemechek fourth, AJ Allmendinger with the top five. He's fifth, Bubba Wallace sixth, Denny Hamlin seventh, Kyle Busch eight. Our guy Carson Josevar ninth and Chris Buescher was tenth.
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A
Kenny, did you hear that? Top five?
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C
Yeah, yeah, it was, it was a little, little different. When I saw the top five after the race, I'm like, you know, I didn't see the race. I'm like, oh, I wonder what happened. You know, I mean, fuel, mileage, pit stops, whatever. Just didn't know because it was just a little different. Not that any one of them isn't capable of running up there, but we had two or three that were up there all together. And so that's just, that's just how tough it is.
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A
And one like this, Kenny, you said last week made me laugh. You said, not every finish can be a barn burner. Well, they were coming to the checkered flag and Tyler Reddick dove, dove into turn three and took us Right front, right up to Chase Briscoe's door and had to crowd on their feet. It was another Southern 500 banger.
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C
Well, I saw a picture of them coming to get the green flag and the crowd looked like a crowd, too.
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A
Yeah, yeah, it was. It was a great, great. It's been. Listen, it's. It's been a great month. I mean, we talked about this last week. It's been a great month for NASCAR as far as competition and the racing. Maybe not in the courtroom, but it's been a great month for nascar and.
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C
You know, courtroom isn't going to be great for anybody.
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A
Yeah, good point. Good.
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C
Can I.
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D
Can I interject?
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C
Yes. It'll be great.
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D
It'll be great for content creators in December.
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A
Oh, Kenny, listen, I'm just. And I'm just gonna say this, Kenny, I know you gotta know, but it's getting juicy now in the courtroom because emails and texts are now being made public, and it's getting ugly as all get out.
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C
Yep, I'm gonna say anything.
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A
We'll just. We'll just leave. You know, it's like we don't know what's going on. But, boy, when it becomes TMZ and the National Enquirer, everybody's tuning in now and.
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C
Yeah.
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A
Oh, my gosh.
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D
Can I just say real quick? Thursday, I'm driving. I'm driving up here Thursday, huge traffic jam. And so as there's a traffic jam and I'm literally not even going one mile an hour, I start to look at Twitter X and my mind was just blown at the stuff that was coming out of that Thursday hearing. It was just insane.
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A
Well, when the comp. When the. When the man that runs one of the race teams says, the only way for this to end is Jim France. Die. That rocked the racing world. And it's like he said, what. Because we all know how nice Jim France is.
- [39:37]
C
So, yeah, there's. You know, we still got another France in there or another Kennedy, which is half France. So, I mean, hey, I'm. I'm a NASCAR guy.
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A
Yeah, me too.
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C
I'm pulling for him.
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A
Charlie likes for me to push the envelope on this stuff because, yeah, it's what gets the clicks is everybody would say, wallace, what's a click?
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C
You say gets a business.
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A
Well, so look, I'll just say it right here. I don't care. When we, you know, we got this YouTube show, and if you like, I had one. I did one here lately. Charlie was the one. We got almost 300,000 views, which is insane. Something like that can make thousands of dollars.
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D
So your most recent.
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C
Let's see.
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D
I'll find it. When you responded to the lawsuit on Friday morning, that one has 111,000 views. And that's just been about four or five days. And then you had one couple weeks ago where you said NASCAR was in trouble. That was when everybody was ripping on the car. That was when Dale Jr. Came out. That's when Kevin Harvick said, the car sucks. That one got over 200,000. I'm trying to find it for you.
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A
So. So because I don't care. I'm kind of like Cal Petty. Those videos. Just that one video with over 200, 000 view, that's like thousand dollars, you know, over a thousand. And then me and Charlie pay ourselves every quarter. It's. We could probably buy us a pretty good dirt car motor.
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D
240, 000 for that one.
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A
Yeah, so that's. That's why we push the envelope. You know, Kenny, people don't push on real news anymore. They, you know, you could say bigfoot is living with Dale Jr. And. And, my God, they'll load it up because that's society nowadays.
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D
Can I say, though, I. I don't think we're not doing tmz, though. You're not reacting to the fact that there's crazy news coming out of NASCAR in this courtroom. It's not like. It's not like we're fabricating it. We're just reacting.
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C
Hey, I got something to throw in here. You're talking about Chad Knauss.
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E
Mm.
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C
Watch that NASCAR to Le mons documentary.
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A
Oh, fifth Garage 56.
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C
Yeah.
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A
Yeah.
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C
I think it's called NASCAR to Le Mans.
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A
Yeah.
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C
Or something. It's about that whole program. I don't know where in hell we watched it since we've lived in this place. We got a smart TV and no satellite, and I don't. I know how to get Seinfeld, Two and a half Men and Big Bang Theory. Anything else I want to watch? Anne's got to get it on there.
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A
Charlie was brilliant.
- [42:27]
C
We watched that NASCAR to Le Mons the other day, and that was a fantastic. The amount of effort that was put into that program was amazing. It was really good.
- [42:37]
A
I agree. And I do want to watch that because I know speaking of Jim France, he was the catalyst behind that. He wanted to go over there, go.
- [42:45]
C
Mash to go back, explain. I don't know, 75 or six or something. And I don't remember who went over. I know Mr. Donlevy and Trucks, more Ford Went over.
- [43:05]
A
Wow.
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C
And that's awesome. I think there was maybe three of them that went over. I don't think they finished but they wanted, he wanted to go back and show them. But Annette, when they went over there and the car had to go faster then they made it go faster and then it's like, well now it's going too fast for this class but it's not fast enough for this class. And Chad's like tell me how fast you want the car to go.
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A
Is that what he said?
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C
Yeah, you tell me how fast you want the car to go. It is really, really, really good. Good piece.
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A
That is interesting. It's kind of like you know, your hunter lap.
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C
You didn't know Nate car went to le mans before.
- [43:50]
A
No, I did not. I knew that Jim France had a love for, you know, Europe type racing and I and you know, Jim loves, you know, flat track. Our buddy, our partner Bob Sargent and Jim France have become as you know, good friends and that's where I've been learning about gym flat track motorcycle racing.
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C
75 or 6.
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A
That's awesome.
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C
Yeah.
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A
Okay, switching subjects everybody. This is tongue in cheek. Connor Zillage has not been compromised with his broken collarbone. He completely dominates phenomenal belief and just wins every stage. Kenny, this collarbone, I mean is he gonna. Okay, this is funny now go with me. Is he, is he now better since he's got a plate in his collarbone?
- [45:41]
C
No, it just doesn't hurt as bad now. It's just a collarbone. It's no big deal.
- [45:48]
A
It's for sure.
- [45:49]
C
When it's broke, it's aggravating, and it hurts. And, yeah, it's hard to do stuff, but I pin it, put it back in place, you're good to go.
- [45:58]
A
So one of the biggest clicks we got was at the end of the race, Kenny at Portland. NASCAR said, okay, if you miss the first corner, you can hang a left, and instead of coming to a stop, you can go through these chicanes that are definitely going to slow you way up, and it's going to be bad. So Connor Zillich comes flying down in the corner on the last restart, gets the wheel hopping, takes the escape route, and gets through it quicker than he could. The real race track. And the crew chiefs went nuts. And I'll tell you after the show, but one of them called me and he said, herman, I'm telling you, this, Connor Zillich has got to be cheating because he's just killing us every race. Don't. No matter where it's at. And I. And I said, I think I've seen this picture before. It was Jeff Gordon and Ray Evernham.
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C
Yeah.
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A
So, yeah.
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C
Yeah, it's all been done before. Someone come in and haul. Haul, haul butt and just. And it'll get done. There'll be another guy after Connor. But, you know, I mean, if Connor can continue his cup career like he's been in the bush car. The bush car. Wow. That's screwed up.
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A
No, I love it.
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C
The Xfinity car, which next year is not even that. Oh, there's no telling.
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A
Riley.
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C
Yeah.
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A
Auto parts.
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C
So, I mean, it's been done before. Jeff Gordon and Ray Everham, and, you know, to really be cheating, you got to get caught. It's a lot easier, I believe, to get caught now than it used to be.
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A
You know, you straighten me out, Charlie. Connor Zillich has won the last eight Xfinity races except the one he had to miss because of a. Brock.
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C
Brock.
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A
Broken collarbone. Is that how much he's dominated?
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D
I thought it was six of seven. Let me find it for you. Let me find it for you.
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C
Xfinity either numbers. It's a big deal.
- [48:19]
A
He's on last six of seven. No, last seven of eight. I don't know the last time this has been done, but there's no doubt in my mind.
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D
Okay, let me find it for you. Here you go. We start the run now. He did win Pocono. That was back June 21st. But if you're starting this run, he. He won Sonoma, he won Dover, he won Indy. Then Sam Mayer won Then Connor won Watkins Glenn, Daytona and Portland.
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A
So that is.
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D
That is six of the last seven.
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A
And the race that he missed, his car still won with Parker Kligerman.
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C
Yeah.
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A
So it could be seven. That car has won seven of the last eight races.
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D
Well, no, that counts. That counts as a Connor win.
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A
Okay? Which I don't think is fair, but.
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D
It counts as a Connor win.
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C
That's why he started a race.
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A
Yeah, good point. Okay, Kenny, we would be remiss if we did not talk about this. Our hero. We're switching subjects, everybody. Now I'm gonna say this. And you and you rough me up. Tony Stewart becomes the greatest race car driver of all time by winning the NASCAR cup championship. Indie wheel, open wheel cart, whatever they called it when he won the IndyCar championship. And now over the weekend, he won the regular season NHRA Top Fuel championship. No one in motorsports history has done this.
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C
Now that's. I mean, Tony, he was already on that list. You know, he was already the guy. But you know who the other guy is that has won a cup race, an IndyCar race, and an NHRA Top Fuel race, not a championship.
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A
John Andretti.
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C
John Andretti.
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A
That's pretty awesome. I said that on coffee with Kenny.
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C
But yeah, Tony's the guy. Always has been.
- [50:31]
A
Wow. Kenny Schrader agrees with me, everybody. Charlie, edit that piece out. You know, just. I. It's like a little fly in my ear. I gotta have fun with this. You know, there's that group. I don't like the playoffs. Well, NHRA's got the playoffs. They copied NASCAR. Lucas Oil eight models got the playoffs. They copied NASCAR. It seems to be working out pretty well right now. Here we are. I think we covered it all. Kenny jokes or whatever Kenny Schrader has to say or Charl.
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C
Well, the only thing. And I don't have. I don't have all the results, but we had huge late mile races this week. The Hillbilly 100.
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A
Oh, we did. That's right.
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C
Yeah. And we had used sprint car races. Did Rico win?
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A
Rico's on a heater.
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C
6000 and Skagit.
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A
Rico Abreu on a heater, everybody.
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C
Yeah. And it just. I have to sit down, really go through who. Who won everything this weekend, but it's such a big weekend for motorsports.
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A
You know, we need to add that in to this show at the very end like this. Just whatever you want to say. And I want to say this, Kenny, I thought it was really awesome that you were at Federated Auto Parts Raceway Park. You were there last week keeping an eye on the baby that you built. You and Ray.
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C
I didn't do nothing with it, but. But, well, I just went and watched.
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A
So this week you, you were at the coin. Let me tell you what was pretty awesome. And you can straighten me out. But they, they tell me this, they got a. The drifting people that you know, drift the cars, Yokohama tires. They get a hold of Josh Carroll and they say let us rent that little old go kart track.
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C
Yeah, it's a half mile.
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A
Well, I'm gonna tell you what, I pulled in there about 4:30 because Josh made a good call this time with, you know, the temperatures are cool, it's getting darker a little earlier. So we started practice at 5:40. And this drifting deal. Holy moly. There was one. Jimmy Dearing told me this. So that's my source. 100 cars and Kenny, they drifted around that go kart track like it was made for those guys. And there is a theory now you always say what the crowd look like. And it was one of the biggest local crowds of the year. And when I looked in the grandstands, I was like, whoa, what's going on here? Jimmy Dearing seems to think that the drifting crowd stayed and paid the. Whatever it is to get in the grandstands.
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C
Motors motorsports is motorsports. I mean I like to go watch motorcycles. I like watch some guys drift. I mean it just doesn't make any difference, you know, Watch them guys, those buggies. Not buggies, but the off road trucks down Lucas Oil on their, you know, road course. Yeah. Motorsports. Motorsports.
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A
I would have never dreamed that. That little go kart track, man, it just. I pulled in and I mean that place had, it had atmosphere at 4 o' clock in the day. Those young kids loved it.
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C
Well, you don't have to have a real wide place because they're not friggin racing.
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A
They're drifting boy. They're putting on.
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C
I don't understand it. I know they, they do it and they do it good. I'm not sure I understand it yet but.
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A
And I don't understand it either. I think it's just art. And who comes close to hitting the bottle? They put a bottle on the wall and if you can just clip the bottle. But not the wall.
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C
It doesn't have a wall but.
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A
Well, you know what's funny right there, you know when you all put that go kart track and you got this serious drain, you know like one foot drain where they put three concrete blocks so those guys don't go off into the drain.
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C
Drain hit the concrete Instead of. Yeah, yeah.
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A
Well, anyway, that was my extra.
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C
That's neat.
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A
Yeah. Really good for the racetrack.
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D
Charlie, joke time. Here we go. Always tell people first about the merch line. I've seen some shirts out there, people wearing the herman Schrader shirts. Shop.dirtymomedia.com to check out all of the stuff. All right, here we go. Got four of them. What do cows read the most? What do cows read the most? Catalogs. Catalogs.
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A
That's good.
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D
This is kind of a visual one. What did the 0 say to the 8? What did the number 0 say to the number 8? You have to think about the way the numbers look.
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C
Where's your other half?
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D
Nice belt.
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A
Hey, that is true.
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D
It's visual. Okay. Why did the ranch blush? Why did the ranch. Ranch as in ranch dressing? Why did the ranch blush? Because he saw the salad dressing. All right, this one is a little risque. I'll tell you what. I find these, these ones, and I want to put them in, but I feel like they're just a little over the line.
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A
Good.
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D
I feel like this one is just toeing the line. Okay, so the wife says. The wife says to the husband, I can't believe you went to a prostitute to have sex. The husband says, what did you expect? We haven't done anything for months. The wife says, well, you could have told me you're willing to pay pretty good. Pretty good.
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A
That's one way to make, you know, I need to tell my wife that. I'm like, you want to go to casino Friday? How much is going to cost me? I pay her a thousand dollars, you know. Okay, I. I heard this. I was scrolling social media yesterday. I. I'm like Kenny Schrader right now. I got one. I just thought it was, as they say, cute. What? You know, jokes have changed nowadays. They're so far fetched. Okay, what do you call a laughing motorcycle?
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D
A laughing motorcycle. Motorcycle.
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A
A Yamaha.
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C
All right, I'm gonna start. I'm gonna start looking for jokes too.
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A
Okay? Anything else, Kenny?
- [57:41]
C
Nolly? I'm good, I'm good.
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A
All right, everybody, remember, you can watch this on Dirty or watch it on the Kenny Wallace YouTube show and see Kenny Schrader's speed sport shirt. Or you can listen to us on your way to the races on the Dirty Mo media podcast. Right there, Herm and Schrader. Until the next Herman Schrader show. We'll see you next time.
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C
Bye.
- [58:08]
D
See ya.
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E
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