Daytona Delivers A Return To NASCAR's Roots

Summary

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Herm & Schrader: Daytona Delivers A Return To NASCAR's Roots

Date: February 18, 2026
Hosts: Kenny Wallace, Kenny Schrader
Guest/Co-Host: Dietz
Network: SiriusXM, Dirty Mo Media

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Overview

The episode is a lively, irreverent, and laughter-filled deep-dive into the 2026 Daytona 500, with hosts Kenny Wallace and Ken Schrader joined by co-host Dietz. The trio delivers unfiltered takes on the race, celebrates NASCAR’s roots, and explores broader themes in racing, sportsmanship, and the culture of NASCAR. From personal stories to racing strategy, iconic personalities to fresh controversies, this episode captures the energy and tradition that make NASCAR – and specifically the Daytona 500 – a keystone event.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Daytona 500 – A Return to Form and NASCAR’s Roots

• Energy and Vibe: The vibe and excitement surrounding the 2026 Daytona 500 are called the biggest in years, bolstered by a sold-out crowd and extensive pre-race hype.
  • Wallace: "[75% of people thought the Daytona 500 was awesome]... the race to me was kind of like what the Jeff Gluck poll said, except I would go 90-10. I thought the race was full of excitement." (04:37)
• Fan Perspective: The event blended on-track drama with showbiz, bringing in celebrities like Michael Jordan, Kid Rock, Miranda Lambert, and John Daly.
  • Schrader: "I just sensed... excitement, a lot of it." (05:07)

2. Race Analysis and Key Moments

• On-Track Action:
  • The race featured 25 leaders (a new record) and 65 lead changes (second most all time).
  • Five cautions, tying the fewest in modern history.
  • 37 of 41 cars involved in some kind of incident.
  • 15th last-lap pass in 500 history.
    • Schrader: "Damn good Daytona 500, 25 leaders, 60-something lead changes... 37 of the 41 cars involved in something... It's Daytona." (20:13)
• Fuel-Saving & Stage Racing:
  • The crew debates whether modern fuel strategies and stage racing enhance or hamper the spectacle. Teams exploit rules to maximize pit stop speed and fuel economy, a layer now exposed by TV coverage.
    • Wallace: "Network has got to show you all this data... now we know they're running around, there's 60, 70%. But... they've been running around three wide, 11 deep for twenty years." (03:57)
• Last Lap Drama:
  • Tyler Reddick pulls off a thriller – a stunning run through turns 3 and 4 to capture his first Daytona 500 for 23XI, outmaneuvering Chase Elliott on the final lap.
    • Schrader: "To me it looked, it looked like nitrous. I mean, it was like, wow, you talk about a run now." (09:49)
    • Wallace: "I was impressed that Chase Elliott... did not turn left like the young kids do... The young kids would have turned left and they all would have wrecked." (10:15)

3. NASCAR’s Storytelling and TV Coverage

• Emotional Specials: Praises for Fox’s emotional specials on Greg Biffle and Denny Hamlin, with tributes to Dale Earnhardt filling in the nostalgia.
  • Dietz: "You hate to look at tragedies as drama, but... They’re stories... these are guys that come into your house for Sunday dinner with your family every Sunday." (14:43)
• Connecting Fans: The importance of personal stories and drama (like drivers honoring lost loved ones or their own career journeys) to draw fans in.

4. Daytona By the Numbers & The “Wreck Fest” Narrative

• Stats Recap: The episode dismantles the ‘wreck fest’ narrative.
  • Only five cautions, but massive incidents involved the majority of the field (37/41 cars) – prompting interviews from the care center!
• Payouts & Significance: The purse climbs to $31 million — 15th place nets over $514,000.
  • Schrader: "I got the entry form. It was $1.2 million. This year was $31,045,000. Fifteenth place paid $514 grand." (48:39)

5. 23XI, Michael Jordan, and Off-Track Optics

• 23XI Triumph: Tyler Reddick’s win is huge for Jordan and Hamlin, with all three team cars finishing in the top 10.
• Settling Disputes: They address recent legal tensions between Michael Jordan/Denny Hamlin and NASCAR, with Jim France’s handshake in victory lane as a signal of moving forward.
  • Schrader: "They settled it for the good of the sport. So hey, when you settle it, that’s full speed ahead. Let’s worry about our sport." (26:08)

6. Controversies and Classic Stories

• Dropped Earnhardt Car: Dale Earnhardt Jr.'s racing car (driven by Justin Allgaier) gets dropped by a tow truck infield, drawing laughs and good-natured ribbing.
  • Schrader: "It's no big deal... You just wreck the damn thing anyway out in a racetrack... Just drag it off the track, you know. It happens." (33:00)
• Annual Earnhardt Tribute: Discussion on the annual Lap 3 Earnhardt salute, whether it’s still necessary after 25 years.
  • Schrader: "He was a big part of our sport. You know, he likes the King [Petty]. If they want to celebrate it, have at it." (36:06)

7. Jimmy Johnson’s Future

• Retirement or Encore? The hosts react to Jimmy Johnson’s ambiguous announcement that this might be his final Cup race, invoking both nostalgia and confusion.
  • Schrader: "[Jimmy Johnson] quit a long time ago." (39:27)
  • Wallace: "It pains me to see Jimmy run so badly, but I'd like to see Jimmy become an executive like Jeff Gordon." (41:29)

8. NASCAR’s New Caution Policy

• NASCAR lets final lap incidents play out if cars are out of harm’s way, resulting in more authentic finishes.
  • Schrader: "I love seeing that. They have maybe changed directions a little bit..." (43:23)
  • Dietz: "Maybe now you’re at a point... where you can eliminate a stage or be a little bit more open to eliminating stages." (44:50)
• The panel jokes about fans’ inevitable flip-flop: "Isn’t that funny that the fans complained for years, 'Why'd you throw the caution?' Now, they don't throw the caution..." (46:08)

9. Other Notables: Trucks, Xfinity, and More

• Truck and Xfinity Races:
  • Kudos for green-flag finishes and controlled racing in the lower series—rare at Daytona.
    • "The ARCA series did not have big wreck… it was up until the real professionals got out there." (55:07)
• Austin Hill’s Superspeedway Mastery:
  • Performs as well as Earnhardt in plate races, but is described as “not a very likable guy.”
    • Dietz: "He's as good in those O'Reilly cars at these restrictor plate tracks as Dale Earnhardt was..." (56:18)

10. Playoff Format Changes

• Winning Daytona No Longer Automatic Playoff Ticket:
  • Wallace: "I like it because it’s like the good old days... Winning the Daytona 500 does not mean you’re the greatest. It means you won that race." (57:43)
  • Dietz: "Now it’s going to get back to that. It’s going to be a years-long championship and that’s the way it should be." (59:38)

11. Dirt Racing Updates

• Volusia Event Wrap: Nick Hoffman and Stuart Friesen’s milestones, with Friesen overcoming injury to return.
  • Schrader: "Dirt and Brian Carter... have really grown that into an event, you know, it’s not just a race. Four weeks of racing down there. It was huge." (65:26)

12. Humor, Banter, and Jokes

• The episode is sprinkled with classic Herm & Schrader wit, ending with a “dad joke” segment.
  • Dietz: “Why don’t eggs tell jokes? They might crack up.” (66:19)
  • General tone: unfiltered, no frills, and filled with personal anecdotes.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

| Timestamp | Speaker | Quote | |------------|------------------|------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | 04:37 | Wallace | "The race to me was kind of like what the Jeff Gluck poll said, except I would go 90-10. I thought the race was full of excitement." | | 05:07 | Schrader | "I just sensed... excitement, a lot of it." | | 09:49 | Schrader | "To me it looked, it looked like nitrous. I mean, it was like, wow, you talk about a run now." | | 14:43 | Dietz | "You hate to look at tragedies as drama, but... They’re stories... these are guys that come into your house for Sunday dinner with your family every Sunday." | | 20:13 | Schrader | "Damn good Daytona 500, 25 leaders, 60-something lead changes... 37 of the 41 cars involved in something... It's Daytona." | | 26:08 | Schrader | "They settled it for the good of the sport. So hey, when you settle it, that’s full speed ahead. Let’s worry about our sport." | | 33:00 | Schrader | "You just wreck the damn thing anyway out in a racetrack... Just drag it off the track." | | 36:06 | Schrader | "He was a big part of our sport. If they want to celebrate it, have at it. If they don't, this okay..." | | 39:27 | Schrader | "[Jimmy Johnson] quit a long time ago..." | | 41:29 | Wallace | "It pains me to see Jimmy run so badly, but I'd like to see Jimmy become an executive like Jeff Gordon." | | 43:23 | Schrader | "I love seeing that. They have maybe changed directions a little bit..." | | 56:18 | Dietz | "He's as good in those O'Reilly cars at these restrictor plate tracks as Dale Earnhardt was..." | | 57:43 | Wallace | "I like it because it’s like the good old days... Winning the Daytona 500 does not mean you’re the greatest. It means you won that race." | | 65:26 | Schrader | "Dirt and Brian Carter... have really grown that into an event, you know, it’s not just a race. Four weeks of racing down there. It was huge."|

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Important Segment Timestamps

• Kicking Off, Rick Mast & Storytelling (01:31 – 02:59)
• Daytona 500 Vibe and Fan Polls (04:00 – 06:50)
• Tyler Reddick’s Winning Move (09:49 – 10:38)
• Pre-Race Show and Crowds (06:50 – 12:22)
• Notable TV Specials & Driver Stories (13:33 – 16:10)
• Race Stats Recap (18:22 – 20:13)
• 23XI, Michael Jordan & Post-Race Disputes (24:11 – 27:54)
• Earnhardt Tribute Debate (33:59 – 36:43)
• Jimmy Johnson’s Unclear Future (37:59 – 41:47)
• NASCAR’s Evolving Caution Policy (42:41 – 50:21)
• Truck/Xfinity Races & Austin Hill Analysis (53:25 – 57:18)
• New Playoff Format Reactions (57:43 – 59:38)
• Dirt Racing Updates (64:06 – 65:26)
• Joke Segment & Closing Banter (66:19 – End)

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Tone and Style

The entire episode is unapologetically brash, authentic, and side-splittingly funny, reflecting the unique character of its hosts. Stories, opinions, and nostalgia are all served up “no filter,” for fans who crave both hard-hitting analysis and old-school racing charm. No topic is off-limits, and the chemistry among Herm, Schrader, and Dietz keeps the show moving at full throttle.

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For New Listeners

Even if you haven’t watched the 2026 Daytona 500, this episode brings you right into the adrenaline and heart behind one of racing’s great American spectacles. You’ll get stat breakdowns, behind-the-scenes context, and the kind of war stories and punchlines only legends like Herm and Schrader can dish out. For fans old and new, this is NASCAR in all its glory – unpolished, passionate, and loaded with laughs.

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Transcript

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[Herman 'Herman Schrader' Schrader]

Herman Schrader on the Dirty Mo Media platform from the middle of America in St. Louis, Missouri starts right now. The following is a production of Dirty Mo Media. I'm looking at Kenny Schrader right now.

[Kenny Schrader]

He is a drinker in the show. I mean.

[Herman 'Herman Schrader' Schrader]

Yeah. How in the world did we agree to do a podcast?

[Kenny Schrader]

I like spending time with you.

[Herman 'Herman Schrader' Schrader]

That makes me happy.

[Kenny Schrader]

Well, it's all about making you happy.

[Herman 'Herman Schrader' Schrader]

We're always honest.

[Kenny Schrader]

We don't know that we're not in trouble already. And sometimes truthful. What makes you think you're not a little different?

[Herman 'Herman Schrader' Schrader]

You're weird too, Herman Schrader.

[Kenny Schrader]

Two of us are in St. Louis this week.

[Herman 'Herman Schrader' Schrader]

Are we deets? Are we back to normal after there was a lot going on there over the last month?

[Dietz (Co-host or Guest)]

There was a lot going on. You even look like Rick Mass last week. That's how much weird.

[Herman 'Herman Schrader' Schrader]

You know what, I want to thank Rick Mass. Thank you. Rick Mass, Rick Mass and Kenny Schrader, they, NASCAR needs to have both of them at the hall of fame and just call it story night and you guys would sell the place out.

[Kenny Schrader]

Kenny, now I like Rick's. Rick was always, you know, he was always fun at the racetrack. He was just normal. Yeah, well, normal if you live in Rockbridge Bath.

[Herman 'Herman Schrader' Schrader]

Yeah, yeah. And Rick Mass always told us, I traded a cow for my first race car. I'm like, rick, seriously?

[Kenny Schrader]

He sold the cow. He sold the cow. He sold the cow. $60. Was it dates? He said $60?

[Dietz (Co-host or Guest)]

Yeah.

[Kenny Schrader]

And put that towards the race.

[Dietz (Co-host or Guest)]

Yeah. Like between 55 and 60, something like that.

[Kenny Schrader]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I didn't actually trade the cow because I asked him, I said, did you take the cow? Because when you went to the races to watch, did you take the cow with you in case you thought you were going to trade. He said I didn't take the cow. So I think he really loved the cow, though it was a little scary when he talks about the cow.

[Herman 'Herman Schrader' Schrader]

Okay, moving forward. Thank you, Rick Mass so much. Very thankful to you. Been friends forever and he has given me some great advice. Okay, guys, this. I just have a feeling this is going to be a good long show. The date tone of 500. This is Monday, everybody. And do not edit this out. They are going to air us on Wednesday and we just got done with the Daytona 500 deets and Kenny and I'll start like this. My mother, Judy Wallace gave me a shirt when I was a kid. And the shirt said, I have so many wonderful qualities, it's easy to overlook my few disgusting habits. So with. With that said, Kenny Schrader, this is for you. I just checked Jeff Gluck's poll. After 6,000 people, 75% of the people said the date total 500 was awesome. I just want to say this, and I'm gonna hand it to you, Kenny. The race was very entertaining to me. The elephant in the room of, you know, the stage racing, you know, saving fuel. I'm like, look, if TV would have not showed you they're saving fuel, it would have looked like normal. They've been running around three wide, 11 deep for 20 years. So if I'm watching the race, I'm like, man, it's Daytona, it's Talladega. But because network has got to show you all this data now we know they're running around, there's 60, 70%. So like I said, that shirt mama gave me, Kenny, the race to me was kind of like what the Jeff Gluck poll said, except I would go 90 10. I thought the race was full of excitement. What's your take, Kenny?

[Kenny Schrader]

I. I enjoyed it. I got to see 90% of it. The only time, I mean, I was working in shop. I went up to the house for a little bit, but it was on every TV everywhere you went. I thought the pre race was. I just sensed. I just sensed sitting in the living room or sitting in the shop. I sensed excitement, a lot of it. You know, I got thinking though, like with 30 to go, you know, it's Travis Mears text me said, who's. Who's gonna win? I said, don't know. There's good. There's gonna be a big wreck and then it's gonna rain and then somebody's gonna win. But, you know, fortunately we. We didn't have to put up with the rain. But I liked all the pre race stuff, the hype, I think they, I think it was great. I liked it. The fact that it was sold out, like everything about it. You know, you talk about, you know, who deserves to win that race. Well, they all deserve to win that race. Anybody that made it through those first 199 laps, you know, it looks like if you're in the top seven or eight, you got a shot because you don't know what's going to happen. Neat for Tyler to win it. Elliott smart because, inexperienced because when he sees him coming, said, okay, I can try to block but I'm gonna get wrecked, you know, I'm going to get wrecked for sure. So I'll just take what I can get. And then he gets right reared, doesn't even know it's coming, you know, and gets right reared. So I, I enjoyed everything about it, thought it was a great race.

[Herman 'Herman Schrader' Schrader]

So Dietz, I want to bring you in on this one. Nascar, in my opinion, saw what Formula one was doing. Where in Formula one the racing is no good. So they bring in superstars. I just call it the way I see it, Kenny. The racing's no good in Formula One, so they make an event out of it. NASCAR for the Daytona 500, they brought in the superstars. I mean, you already got car owner Michael Jordan there, the most famous athlete in the world. But they bring in Kid Rock John Gruden, who is a very popular coach in football. He, he's not a coach right now, but he's popular. You bring in John Daly. I agree with Kenny Schrader. The vibe for this Daytona 500 was the biggest I felt from, from a fan's perspective in which you claim you're a fan. Did you like the pre race show? Because I thought it was like Schrader said, I thought it was out of this world.

[Dietz (Co-host or Guest)]

As a fan, I don't, I don't need any of that stuff. But again, for somebody like my wife that, you know, could care less, she's going to be more entertained because Miranda Lambert's there and, and you know, all the stuff that's around it and I guess that needs to, to be a part of it. The one question I would have, and you and I were talking about before we went on the air about the, the fuel saving stuff and I was like, you put an extra stage in. Does that help? But you know, you, you brought up the point and I didn't think about this. If you take the stages out, does that eliminate some of that or is it just built baked in now, no, you're right.

[Herman 'Herman Schrader' Schrader]

If the stages are out, then they, they don't know what they're doing. They just, it's just fuel mileage race, the stage racing causes this because they know what they're going to. But, but, but it's the team's fault that it's like NASCARI says, we'll give you the rules. And, and of course they will. The teams, we will always exploit the rules. The teams are the ones saying save fuel. That way when you come down pit road, we'll have a quicker pit stop. So hell, they all do it. So then they're all the same, you know. And now it's up to NASCAR to stop this. I'm sure they will. Hey guys, before there's so much to say, we, we need to remind everybody Tyler Reddick is your Daytona 500 champion. Kenny, I was shocked. Let's do a little bit about that last corner win and then we will get into all the pre race. But Kenny, were you shocked? I was. That Tyler Reddick was able to keep that momentum through the middle of three and four and pull out in the middle of the corner and still have that much speed. That was amazing.

[Kenny Schrader]

To me it looked, it looked like nitrous. I mean it was like, wow, you talk about a run now. He had a run, you know. Yes, was a lot of speed that he, that he came with. I mean, as I said, there was, was no stopping it. He was going to go. You just need, he needed to get out of his way because he was coming way too fast to try to block.

[Herman 'Herman Schrader' Schrader]

And I was impressed that Chase Elliott, I mean, he's, he's not a kid anymore. He's a man, obviously. But I was impressed that, that he did not turn left like the young kids do. In other words, you know, here comes Tyler Reddick on the inside. The young kids would have turned left and they all would have wrecked. Of course the Chase ends up getting.

[Kenny Schrader]

Wrecked a little bit farther. Yeah, that's what I said. Chase was experienced enough to know. Not today it's not. You know, it's not my day today because he's coming too fast and there's nothing I can do about that without, you know, making the choice to wreck myself to try to keep him from winning. But I'm going to get wrecked because turn in front of someone coming that fast. There's no way you're not going to get wrecked.

[Herman 'Herman Schrader' Schrader]

So the race is over, everybody. And they're interviewing the top 10 drivers and I'm like, why? Why are they in the infield care center. Well, then I realized the top 10 all wrecked.

[Kenny Schrader]

Yeah.

[Herman 'Herman Schrader' Schrader]

So the, the. All the network TV, they're all right outside the infield care center because when you watch the finish in its full. You know, when they do the replays, the whole damn top 10 wrecked. So they're doing everything from the infield care center. Okay, Kenny. And, and de. Look at. This is the first time this happened. Look at this, guys. Three pages of notes, okay? Because there's. Okay, so, Kenny, NASCAR announced what, 100,000 people in the grandstands, which. It looked like it. 50,000 people paid in the infield for a total of 450,000 for the weekend. I believe them. And I know you glanced over this. I mean, listen, it. You know, we're trying to start out this year more positive than last year. What do you think of that? That good? Look.

[Kenny Schrader]

I got to eat. Had lunch Wednesday with, With Helton and Drager.

[Herman 'Herman Schrader' Schrader]

Yeah.

[Kenny Schrader]

And he was pretty excited about the. The sold out part, you know, And I said, now I. I've talked to a couple other tracks were sold out, and they still have empty seats. I struggle with that. He said, no, we're sold out. He said, we're sold out. And he went in to explain how some of that work sometimes. But they were sold out. And that was great. You know, we're in. Everybody wants to say trouble. Trouble. Sports in trouble. Well, the freaking world's in trouble, you know, so it's. It's not just our sport, but it was. It was all good. I don't see where we got. We got the problems that everybody's facing, but our sport doesn't have any more problems than other. Other things going on. It was. It was great. It was. It's the way the Daytona 500 should be. It's the way Atlanta be. It's the way all the cup races ought to be.

[Herman 'Herman Schrader' Schrader]

NASCAR knows their base now. They changed this year. And the. Hell, yeah, they. They rocked it. I mean, hey, let's talk about those commercials real quick. Johnny Morris, his commercial is a tribute to the number three, Earnhardt. That was incredible. Then two more guys, then Fox. I mean, everybody is bragging on Fox. Finally, for once, Fox does a special about Greg Biffle. Jamie McMurray gets very emotional live. And then, you know, they do one with Denny Hamlin, Louis and his father. I really think for fans guys to get involved with the drivers, they got to know more about them. I think these specials guys, I think it. It gets the fans involved. It's like, oh, I didn't know, Denny Hamlin's father passed away and, and I think that's good for the sport. Deets. Let's throw that one at you. You're, you know, you're a race fan. Did you like the specials that everybody raved about?

[Dietz (Co-host or Guest)]

Yeah, I mean, absolutely. You know, you hate to look at tragedies as drama, but they are. They're stories. You know, the way the season ended for Denny Hamlin with the championship and want to win it for his dad. And then, you know, the aftermath of that and the fans, you know, really, until Daytona, had not really gotten to hear much from Denny and to see how he was doing. And, you know, we talked about it on the show a couple of weeks ago that, that he has played up this villain aspect for about the last five or six years. And we always see it kind of change. It changed with Earnhardt. It changed with Jeff Gordon, changed with Jimmy Johnson. This changed with Kyle Busch. I think it's probably going to change with Danny Hamlin this year. And the same thing with Greg Biffle. I mean, I've always said it that when I was growing up and Alan Kawicki and Davey Allison passed away, these are guys that come into your house for Sunday dinner with your family every Sunday. And you get to know them and you like some of them better than others, but you love all of them and they need to be recognized. And I thought they did a good job of doing that and they needed to.

[Herman 'Herman Schrader' Schrader]

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[Herman 'Herman Schrader' Schrader]

Okay, Kenny, before we get to the winner, because there's a lot there, there's a lot of good controversy, just good juice about Tyler Redick, Michael Jordan, the whole deal. I'm going to read this to you, Kenny Schrader. You tell me. This is NASCAR Insights, a few notes on the 2026 Daytona 525 leaders. That is a new record, Kenny. 65 lead changes, second most all time. This one drew my attention right here. This next one. Five cautions tied for the fewest cautions in NASCAR history and believe it or not, since 2005. But still, it had the fewest cautions. Now, they might have been bigger, but that was the fused cautions this, this race has had. And I think that's notable for people that say, oh, it's a wreck fest. No, it wasn't. When, when the wrecks were big. They were big this year.

[Kenny Schrader]

Yeah. If you were one of them. If you were one of them 20 cars, you probably thought it was a big wreck.

[Herman 'Herman Schrader' Schrader]

But yeah, okay, I'm gonna give you.

[Kenny Schrader]

Keep going. I mean, to interrupt.

[Herman 'Herman Schrader' Schrader]

Okay. No, no, because this is all about you right here. 37 of 41 cars involved in an accident.

[Kenny Schrader]

But it was okay.

[Herman 'Herman Schrader' Schrader]

Okay, last one, Kenny. And Then it's gonna be all yours.

[Kenny Schrader]

15.

[Herman 'Herman Schrader' Schrader]

Okay, you're gonna get it. 15th last lap pass in the Daytona 500. So we've had over 50 Daytona 500 and this was the 15th last lap pass. Okay. Out of all that, take it away.

[Kenny Schrader]

It's damn good race, you know. Damn good. Daytona 500, 25 liters, 60 something lead changes, second most ever. 37 of the 41 cars involved in something, you know, you don't know how big it was, but it's something that at the start of the day they told you, hey, you're going to be involved in a wreck and you'd be thinking about it all day. You know, when you were out there, it's like, oh, but it's not a big one. But no, it's just, it's Daytona. I did think of something. 30 laps to go before they started breaking off to make the pit stop. So if you don't know anything about racing and you turn on Daytona 500, say, hey, I'll watch this. There's only 30 laps to go. And they're running around there, three wide, 11 rows deep or whatever. And you're like, this is, this is racing. Isn't somebody faster than somebody else? I mean, they're, you know, it's formation driving. You know, it's more like formation driving. The way the cars are all so close. I mean I, I liked everything about it. It was just amazing. There could have been a lot more wrecks. You see them guys wiggle, you know, I mean, and then, then still the wrecks are like, we've. It started happening at those places. Now it's when first, second or third runs into one another. You know, it's not mid pack all the time. It's up there at the front so we can get a lot of them.

[Herman 'Herman Schrader' Schrader]

What about, you know, I've talked to Kurt and Kyle Busch before and the engineers say that both of those brothers drive on the other side of, you know, disaster. In other words, if you, and if you and I drive loose. The engineers in NASCAR say that the Bush brothers drive looser than anybody in the sport. So when they were coming off a turn four early in the race, did you see Kyle Busch? His car was coming around and the only thing that saved it is when he ran back into. Who was that? But did you. I don't know if you saw that it was disaster and he. They saved it. Yeah, yeah.

[Kenny Schrader]

It's the disaster they avoided. There was a lot of those in the course of the day. There always is at those places. You think we had big stuff there. Wait till. Wait till we go next week when they run around there, three wide, wide open. Except they're going slower.

[Herman 'Herman Schrader' Schrader]

Yeah. And that's another deal. But Atlanta has made a comeback, and we're going to Atlanta next week. Everybody. But Atlanta is the comeback track in NASCAR to me, because I remember 10 years ago, it was like, they need to shut this racetrack down. And then they built that new facility, that new track. And like you say, we're going slower, but my God, it is. The fans are piling back in there, so. Okay, Kenny. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. We got some good stuff here, guys. Switching subjects, 2311 wins the Daytona 500. The driver is Tyler Reddick. And by the way, they have three cars, so 2311 owner Michael Jordan and Denny Hamlin. The winner is Tyler Reddick of the Daytona 500. 8th is Riley Herbst. 10th is Bubba Wallace. So 2311. Okay, now I'm going to set this up for you. Didn't they run two and a half months ago? Do they.

[Kenny Schrader]

Didn't they run another car there? Whose car was this? Whose car was the 67 car?

[Dietz (Co-host or Guest)]

Yeah. Corey Ham, and he was up, fronted at 30 to go.

[Kenny Schrader]

Yeah. Was that a 2311 car?

[Herman 'Herman Schrader' Schrader]

Yeah.

[Dietz (Co-host or Guest)]

Yes.

[Herman 'Herman Schrader' Schrader]

Yeah. We're on podcast diet. You got to say yes.

[Dietz (Co-host or Guest)]

Yes.

[Herman 'Herman Schrader' Schrader]

Deep shakes his head up and down. I got to remind him we're on Kenny Wallace YouTube. Yes, they saw that, but not on Dirty Mo.

[Dietz (Co-host or Guest)]

I'll be able to edit that where it sounds.

[Herman 'Herman Schrader' Schrader]

No, don't edit that.

[Kenny Schrader]

That's good, but you gotta shake your head bigger.

[Dietz (Co-host or Guest)]

67. The 67 is a 2311 car, and he ran really good for his first Daytona 500. And I wouldn't be shocked if that car doesn't end up winning a race this year.

[Herman 'Herman Schrader' Schrader]

Okay, so the elephant in the room, and it's. It's all good. They go to victory lane. And everybody knows this. It'd be a tragedy to not bring it up, because it was the biggest story after the race two and a half months earlier. Michael Jordan, Denham, they're suing Jim France. Okay, we know all that, but the first NASCAR executive in Victor Lane was Jim France. And he walked right up to Michael Jordan and shook his hand like a man. I loved what Jim France did. Now I know more about Jim France. I've always heard good about him. I know he's quiet, but, Kenny, what did you think of those optics? Jim France, you know, he's never in victory lane. It's usually in our day. Mike Helton Or Steve o' Donnell or Steve Phelps. I, I just don't think I've ever seen Jim France in Victor Lane. And there he was.

[Kenny Schrader]

Okay, now this is, I don't know enough about that trial. I mean, we all know what we think we know, but it's settled. Okay? They settled it now, you know, they, I'm sure Jim would like to had better on his side. I'm sure Michael would have liked to have been better on his side. But they settled it and they settled it for, because it was best for them and it was for the good of the sport. So hey, when, when you settle it, that's full speed ahead. Let's worry about our sport. And I think that's it just shows where Jim's at. I mean, we're. Okay, we've agreed to this. Let's go forward. And I think it's neat. I've always been a big, I mean, I like the heck out of Jim. He's a good guy. He does a hell of a job running sport. We're lucky he's still involved.

[Herman 'Herman Schrader' Schrader]

Yeah, I agree. Okay, one more on this because we, we always, you know, have to address what the fans are seeing. So in nascar we got this big contingent of media and they're well respected by everybody. Jenna Fryer, she's with the Associated Press. That's big Jennifer Report. She goes, oh my, she goes, look at this. Everybody that sued NASCAR won. So Chandler Smith won the truck race. That's front row Motorsports. Austin Hill, which is Richard Childers. Now Richard didn't sue, but he threatened to. They Austin hill won the O'Reilly Auto Parts Race. And then of course this Tyler Reddick. I just, I don't, you don't have to comment on it. I'm just wanting to let everybody know that Jennifer, you know, the media picked up on that after the race and.

[Kenny Schrader]

Yeah, it's a coincidence.

[Dietz (Co-host or Guest)]

Well, yeah, because I'll tell you this. I know last week Rick and Ken kind of talked about the call, but if anybody thought coming to the white flag that Tyler Reddick was going to win that race, yeah, I'll buy him a beer because I didn't think he, Bubba Wallace, Corey H. Any of those guys, I mean Riley her had the best chance honestly of the of the 2311 cars to win that race. So sometimes I, I buy into conspiracy theories, but I don't.

[Herman 'Herman Schrader' Schrader]

Not this time.

[Dietz (Co-host or Guest)]

Not this time.

[Kenny Schrader]

Yeah.

[Herman 'Herman Schrader' Schrader]

Okay.

[Kenny Schrader]

It's pretty hard to conspiracy theory when you got 41 of them. You gotta control.

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[Kenny Schrader]

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Based on the February 2025 Nielsen report. Okay, let's have fun. Michael Jordan is like a deed. Straighten me out here. How many NBA championships as Michael Jordan have? 7, 8.

[Dietz (Co-host or Guest)]

He won six. But let me tell you one other big thing about Michael Jordan winning that race. Last night was the NBA All Star game. President Obama was there. All of these retired NBA players is on NBC network television. That's a big deal. Michael Jordan's at the Daytona 500. Michael Jordan's won six NBA titles and he held that Daytona 500 trophy no different than he did that NBA title. And you know, a similar thing happened when Dale Jarrett won Daytona 501st time in 93 because Joe Gibbs was only a year or two removed from the Redskins winning the Super Bowl. And, and I think it just shows what a big deal winning the Daytona 500 is. I think it's right up there with winning championship.

[Herman 'Herman Schrader' Schrader]

Kenny. When you see Michael Jordan in person, which I have, it's, it's, it's like, it's like, oh my God, this guy is bigger than I thought he was. So they said, Jamie Little did a good job. She says, michael Jordan, you're gone. You just want a date. Tony 500 ring. And, and she says, do you know your ring size? He looked in the camera, he goes, size 13. That's big, Kenny.

[Dietz (Co-host or Guest)]

Yeah.

[Herman 'Herman Schrader' Schrader]

So there's a lot of jokes right there. And I know that's why everybody got quiet. All right, we are going to address other stuff in the race because it's the thing to do. Everybody, let's, let's ease up a little bit. Here, our partner in Crime, Dale Earnhardt Jr. I love the Earnhardts like we all do. We all love the Earnhardts because they love racing. But the tow truck embarrassed Dale Jr. And Dietz is smiling for everybody. He's laughing a little bit. Justin Allgar goes to throw a block on Denny Hamlin. It goes wrong. He wrecks out. Now, Arby's got some good promo out of this by. But the tow truck is going to go through the middle of the infield with Dale Earn Art Jr's car driven by Justin Allgar. And the tow truck accidentally drops the car.

[Kenny Schrader]

But I didn't see.

[Herman 'Herman Schrader' Schrader]

But Arby's got. Oh, yeah, it was big, but. But Arby's got a lot of attention. You know, this is the second time that this happened at Kansas too. And, And I think Rodney Childers was upset the 4 car. And what's your thoughts on that, Kenny? How do you drop Dale Earnhardt junior's car going through the middle of the infield where the fan. The motorhomes are on both sides?

[Kenny Schrader]

It's. It's no big deal. It's no big thing. You just wreck the damn thing anyway out in a racetrack so, you know, it's not like, oh, my God, look at this. The tow truck messed this up. A lot of guys, you know, we see it at Shark Tracks all the time. Oh, they get out because they're all. They're all aggravated because they wrecked their car. And then they tell the tow truck guys how to hook it up. We just wrecked the damn thing. Just drag it off the track, you know. But I mean, happens. Not usually our national TV like that, but it happens.

[Herman 'Herman Schrader' Schrader]

These are. These are bits and pieces that I have, everybody. So once again, this is my opinion. I think it's fine. I think it's fine. They bring back the hell. Yeah. And part of that is, you know, lap three, the racetrack becomes eerily silent. I mean, you could. You could hear everything on tv.

[Kenny Schrader]

It.

[Herman 'Herman Schrader' Schrader]

Huh.

[Kenny Schrader]

You could see it on TV when they, you know, they showed it good. Everybody holding up their hand and tv, other than the cars, it was quiet and it was like, ooh, it was kind of eerie. Should.

[Herman 'Herman Schrader' Schrader]

Should we keep celebrating Dale Earnhardt every year for the Daytona 500?

[Dietz (Co-host or Guest)]

Well, here's what I could tell you. I remember being there in 2011, and they did the same thing because it had been 10 years, and me and a friend of mine were standing down there at the end of pit lane talking, and we just stopped and we held three fingers up for that lap, you know, I know Dale Junior's said, you know, let's kind of move on. And I didn't watch the fox documentary about 25 years later, but from what I understand, it was kind of how the sport has changed in the last 25 years, as far as, you know, more than, than getting wrapped up in the accident and everything that happened around that. There are other stories. It has been kind of exploited. I didn't feel it had to be done yesterday because it had been 25 years and it would have been offensive had it not been. But, you know, working in television myself, being a producer is kind of lazy. For producers that don't know anything else about NASCAR other than that, there's a lot of other great stories out there. Kind of, kind of research a little bit and don't go for the easy, you know, the easy fruit.

[Herman 'Herman Schrader' Schrader]

Kenny, listen, I can't ignore this. You were there the day, you know, you were the first person to Dale Earnhardt Senior's car. How do you feel about every year the Daytona 500 comes around, we celebrate Dale Senior.

[Kenny Schrader]

He was a big part of our sport. You know, he likes the King. I mean, for some reason, you know, there's only three people at the seven championships, the King and Jimmy also. But yeah, I mean, it's what everybody wants. If they want to celebrate it, have at it. If they don't, this okay, I'm in a little bit like juniors, like, okay, it's, it's great. We all know you love my daddy, but, you know, there's a lot of other stuff going on too, but if they want to do it, have at it. No problems.

[Herman 'Herman Schrader' Schrader]

Yeah, good take by both of you. I, I, I really like it just because I, I kind of agree with you all. I do agree with you guys and, and Kenny, thank you. I love you. And yeah, okay, deep breath, everybody. Th, this one caught me off guard. I, I did not see it coming. Changing subjects, everybody. Jimmy Johnson, our seven time champion on the Marty and McGee podcast. So Jimmy Johnson is good, close friends with Marty Smith. Marty used to be with nascar. He still is a little bit, but he works for espn and Jimmy Johnson kind of claims Marty as his best friend. Not really, but I mean, they're tight, so, so Jimmy Johnson, our seven time champion, says, you know what? This is my last NASCAR cup race. I like where I'm at in my life and yeah, I'm going to go to San Diego. I'll leave the door open, but I'm done with cup Now Deets. Was that true? I mean, everybody announced it the day before, I mean, it was everywhere. Then I read something at the end of Sunday night that he's going to run a fourth Legacy car. I'm confused. Is Jimmy Johnson retiring or not?

[Dietz (Co-host or Guest)]

Yeah, I mean, it's a little confusing to me, too. It doesn't make a lot of sense to me that Jimmy wouldn't run at least San Diego, considering, you know, that's where he ran or where he's from. And I saw a lot of that reported from, from the Marty and McGee show. And I know he said, you know, I may run some truck races or I may run some, some O'Reilly races, but I don't think it's completely clear, personally, as a fan and again, you know, being a Bill Elliott fan, I love when Bill ran races, selfishly after 2003, but at the same time, I didn't because I knew he was not in really competitive stuff and not doing it every week. You just, you're not, you're not at the level that you need to be to do it. So, I mean, if Jimmy's out there having fun, it's his own prerogative. I mean, he could do it as long as Morgan Shepard did. But I, I don't know. I, I, it's kind of confusing to me why it's being reported, you know, two different ways, if he said it.

[Kenny Schrader]

But he quit a long time ago, Jimmy.

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[Kenny Schrader]

He quit when he, when he quit, you know, he quit a long time ago. And I'm, I'm a Jimmy Johnson fan, you know.

[Herman 'Herman Schrader' Schrader]

Me too.

[Kenny Schrader]

I'm a big Jimmy fan. But he quit when he quit. When he quit, you know, it was how many years ago now? How many years ago was that?

[Herman 'Herman Schrader' Schrader]

I have. Oh, God. He, he quit and, and then he went Indy car racing two years, and then, I don't know, there was something in between there. Kenny, that was a quote of the year right there. He quit a long time ago. Should he come run one of our dirt cars? Should Jimmy Johnson come race our dirt cars?

[Kenny Schrader]

Jimmy should do whatever the hell Jimmy wants to do.

[Herman 'Herman Schrader' Schrader]

So my take is this. I, I've asked Jimmy to come on Herman Schrader or not Herman Schrader. I've asked Jimmy Johnson to come on Kenny.

[Kenny Schrader]

Conversation.

[Herman 'Herman Schrader' Schrader]

And we haven't quite got it figured out yet, but here's Jimmy Johnson. He's owner of Legacy, and he's looking over there at the guy that hired him, which is Jeff Gordon. So, so Jeff Gordon and your boss, Rick Hendrick, they hired Jimmy Johnson. And it amazes me that Jimmy. I Mean, I know Jeff Gordon is Rick Hendrick. I get that. I get that. But it just amazes me that there must be some bad blood there somewhere, because it's like he just. He's off. And I think Jimmy Johnson looks over there and there's Jeff Gordon in his. His little vest coat pretending to be Rick Hendrick. I love it. And I think Jimmy Johnson wants a.

[Kenny Schrader]

Little bit of that.

[Herman 'Herman Schrader' Schrader]

I think Jimmy can do more for the sport by playing executive and. And cheering on, you know, Erik Jones and his drivers. Now, this is just my opinion, okay? I mean, it nice. And. And I agree with you, Kenny.

[Kenny Schrader]

He quit.

[Herman 'Herman Schrader' Schrader]

He quit a long time ago. It pains me to see Jimmy run so badly, but I'd like to see Jimmy become an executive like Jeff Gordon. I think he'd do a lot for the sport.

[Kenny Schrader]

I'm going back to my original thing. He, Jimmy. I like to see Jimmy do whatever in the hell he wants to do.

[Herman 'Herman Schrader' Schrader]

And I agree. I agree. We listen, we all love Jimmy Johnson. We're just like everybody else. Everybody else is like, what the hell is he doing? And we love Jimmy Johnson. Damn.

[Dietz (Co-host or Guest)]

You know?

[Herman 'Herman Schrader' Schrader]

Okay, well, that was a. That was a big deal. And here we are, everybody, towards the end of this. And do you guys have any more about the Daytona 500?

[Kenny Schrader]

I just thought it was a great race, you know, I mean, it's. There's all kinds of storylines. Every one of those teams has got a storyline. But, you know, bottom line was they had their big wrecks, they had a great finish, no big controversy, or somebody is really mad at somebody else for causing this big wreck. It's just good.

[Herman 'Herman Schrader' Schrader]

Kenny, that's kind of the end of my wrap up right here. And I like what you just said. We cannot forget that NASCAR changed their ways over the wintertime. They put the caution flag in their back pocket this year. All three races, all three races. People were wrecking on the last lap. They were trying to wreck. There was a wreck. And NASCAR's like, okay, the wreck is in the infield, down by the wall. Let them come around. I really like that because sometimes they'll throw the caution at the end. It's like, why'd you throw the caution? The car's not even. It's down by Lake Lloyd.

[Kenny Schrader]

I was Conrad Minor, stopped in with his kids. Oh, yesterday with his boys. And we were watching the last 20 laps, and, you know, it's like yellow. I said, not necessarily. Hold up. Depends where those cars wound up at. You know, if they're out of the way, if they're out of the way. They let them run back. Somebody else spun and was in the grass and they waited and they. He got going. He had time, plenty of time to get going. So, yes, that was. I, I love seeing that. They have maybe changed directions a little bit on that. Now we want to change directions a little bit more. Let's make a yellow flag, not a yellow. Not be quite so many laps as it. As it takes. This seems like a yellow takes too long. But what they're doing is. That was a great change.

[Herman 'Herman Schrader' Schrader]

Yeah, we have to acknowledge that everybody. And I think that was an effort made by nascar. There was an old saying, Mikey Waltrip would say it on your show, Kenny, on Monday nights. I'll. I'll never forget Michael Waltrip saying, you know, back in the day, the race would go forever and Mikey would say nothing better than a caution to gather the field up. Well, I think. I think over the last 20 years, we've. We've overdone it.

[Dietz (Co-host or Guest)]

Yeah. You know, maybe, maybe now you're. Maybe now you're at a point where with, with this win and you're in deal. Maybe you can eliminate a stage or be a little bit more open to eliminating stages to. You know, I hate it in short track racing because these guys just sit there and they, they know there's going to be a caution at lap 75. This is with pavement, late models and things of that nature. And it just. The race just stinks because of it. The other thing that I'll say to wrap up my Daytona 500 thing is I don't think Carson Hosoval made many friends this weekend.

[Herman 'Herman Schrader' Schrader]

He wrecked all three races, even though he was exc. All three races he wrecked out. We love him.

[Kenny Schrader]

He was going fast when he wrecked.

[Herman 'Herman Schrader' Schrader]

Boy, those teams love him wrecking their stuff up. Why is that, Kenny?

[Kenny Schrader]

Because he's going fast. He's going fast. I mean, he was looking good there just not many to go the other day. You know, it won't be. It won't be another half dozen races and we'll be saying, I don't know why in the hell they didn't throw the yellow, you know. Yeah. Just remember that.

[Herman 'Herman Schrader' Schrader]

Kenny. Kenny. Isn't that funny that the fans complained for years? Why'd you throw the caution now? They don't throw the caution, but I believe it's because Chase Elliott was in the lead and maybe they, you know, they wanted the caution thrown.

[Kenny Schrader]

We got, we got another.

[Herman 'Herman Schrader' Schrader]

That's my take.

[Kenny Schrader]

Okay. We got another thing, too. They come around to that flag and like, however they cross the line backwards, upside down, whatever, this is how they finished. They throw that yellow on the back straightaway when there are three wide, however many rows deep. And now, even though they have those scoring loops now we got to figure out exactly where everybody was at. I think it's easier to let them. Let them run back around the entry farm because the entry farm for that thing, like 15th place was $514,000 or something. Is a 31 million dollar purse. When I had lunch with Helton, I said, man, I think the first year I ran was like 1.1.2. And it well looked. I got the entry form. It was $1.2 million. Because I text him back, I said, hey, this whole court thing, you know, and all the settlement and, you know, getting it all done, how far does that go back? He didn't think that was funny. I thought maybe I could get more. Thought I could get more than that. $25,000 you paid to run 11.

[Herman 'Herman Schrader' Schrader]

That is a look inside Kenny Schrader, everybody. He keeps everything.

[Kenny Schrader]

Got a lot of useless stuff on this head.

[Herman 'Herman Schrader' Schrader]

One day, Kenny Schrader had me keep it for about three days. And I was. I. I hid it all because he had gave it to Joyce Standards. Joy Standards gave it all back to me. Well, that was my Kenny Schrader's book. Yeah. And. And. And Kenny goes, okay, Herman, you're getting ready to have some stuff protect it. I put it upstairs in the shop because I was like, no, no. You have the entry form from that many years ago?

[Kenny Schrader]

Yeah, there's one point. 1.2. Okay, Mikey. Mikey. Mr. Hilton, He get. Text me the other day. I sent it to him. It was $1,277,000. And this year was $31,045,000. Fifteenth place paid 530 teen 921. So 514 grand.

[Herman 'Herman Schrader' Schrader]

Okay. Same stuff, just a little different.

[Kenny Schrader]

That's why they wrecked. Yeah.

[Herman 'Herman Schrader' Schrader]

Okay, so. So on that, let me set this scenario up and both of you should answer this. And NASCAR was Nice trophy. How much do you think that trophy cost?

[Kenny Schrader]

I don't know. NASCAR was what?

[Herman 'Herman Schrader' Schrader]

It's a lot.

[Kenny Schrader]

Yeah.

[Herman 'Herman Schrader' Schrader]

NASCAR was screwed either way on this finish. And here's why they wreck. Coming under the white flag. Let's say they don't throw the caution, but they get around and chase Elliott off a turn. Two takes the lead. They throw the caution then, and it makes Chase Elliott the leader. So. So nascar, if they would have thrown the caution like you said, Kenny, if they would have thrown the caution, that means they determined the winner of the Daytona 500. So you're right. Kenny Schrader, they. They were in a. No way. No, they did good. They did good.

[Kenny Schrader]

They did good.

[Herman 'Herman Schrader' Schrader]

So there you go. Everybody.

[Kenny Schrader]

They do good a lot. It's just everybody beats on them so bad if they. If it's questionable. They do good. God. Good most the time. I wouldn't want to sit in that tower, make those calls.

[Dietz (Co-host or Guest)]

Then you do get into conspiracy theory stuff. And I'm with the Chase Elliot thing. I am. I am glad that they waited and the cars were out of the way. They needed to let them race back. There's been times where, you know, you could look at the. I think it was 2007 when Mark Martin and Kevin Harvick were coming back when that race going on in turn four, technically, they didn't race back to the flag. If you go by racing back to the flag, Kevin Harvick still wins it. But they threw the caution for wreck and turn for it. They didn't need to throw it forward. But you can say, had they thrown it a little bit sooner, Mark Martin won that race. So I'm glad they did it the way that they did it.

[Kenny Schrader]

Hey, years ago, I got to throw this out. Bill Jr. And it might have been Jim Hunter. They threw a yellow. There was a yellow. A yellow finish at Talladega. And the fans were all, you know, mad. And Bill Jr. And Hunter left a tower before the very finish and they had a hat pulled down, the coats up and they. They went around in the grandstands in the tower, and they were flipping, flipping the tower off, too, with all the other people. Hey, that's Bill Jr. Down there.

[Herman 'Herman Schrader' Schrader]

Playing the part.

[Kenny Schrader]

Yeah, they're playing cart.

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[Herman 'Herman Schrader' Schrader]

So as we wind up here, that truck race, I want to go back to that truck race. My God. Finally, boys, it was an organic finish. Kenny Schrader. The trucks literally came around under the checkered flag. What do you think of that?

[Kenny Schrader]

That's good. Yeah, I know what Tony thought of that. You know, he got out. He got out unscathed pretty much. So that was good.

[Herman 'Herman Schrader' Schrader]

So they don't talk about it much, but when you scroll social media, the, the media, you know, like a Jeff Gluck, he will give you Tony Stewart's rady. He doesn't give the audio but he prints it out. And I was, I thought of you. Tony says, I can't even get up to speed under the caution. And they're like, do you want to bring it in and work on. He goes, I have to. So one of the reasons Tony was in that wreck is because he had to pit to keep, you know, and he said, look, it's all brand new. You know, I give him a big, big break. But I thought of you, Kenny, as he was hitting the wall there. I feel bad, but looks like Schrader. Oh, God. Yeah.

[Dietz (Co-host or Guest)]

And you know, you gotta. You had mentioned it, but you got to give it to the trucks in the O'Reilly series. I don't know how many times we've seen them just destroy 35 cars and finish under caution and all this kind of stuff. They didn't really have any big wrecks. They finished under green. I thought those guys did a great job in both of those races.

[Kenny Schrader]

The ARCA series too. The ARCA series did not have big wreck. I mean, it was up until the real professionals got out there. We didn't have any big, big wrecks. But if they didn't pay that $31 million and they didn't give that trophy, now, they'd still wreck.

[Herman 'Herman Schrader' Schrader]

Okay, switching subjects. In the O'Reilly race over the last five years, Austin Hill wins every one of them. Why is he not any more popular than what he is? He did a masterful job, this Austin Hill. Rick Hendrick and Junior motorsports were five car lengths back. They should have passed him and they couldn't because he blocked them all. Is Austin Hill. Why does he not get any more? I mean this guy is, is one of the best ever to, to run the big tracks. What's the deal?

[Kenny Schrader]

I don't have a clue. I don't know. But he is, he has proven himself at those places to do what a good job he does.

[Dietz (Co-host or Guest)]

I can tell you. You want, you're up.

[Herman 'Herman Schrader' Schrader]

Yeah. What's it, what's the deal, Dietz?

[Dietz (Co-host or Guest)]

Well, I said this last year and I don't take this as a very lightly. He's as good in those O'Reilly cars at these restrictor plate tracks as Dale Earnhardt was.

[Herman 'Herman Schrader' Schrader]

Yes, I agree with that.

[Dietz (Co-host or Guest)]

But he, here's the problem. He's not a very likable guy. He got in that deal with Martin Skilled and Creed a few years ago and, and basically screwed them both up to get into the championship at Phoenix. He turned down, I can't remember who it was last year, but he turned hooked him hard in the right Indianapolis. And you know, he's kind of, I shouldn't say this. He comes across kind of whiny to me and he just doesn't seem like a very likable person and I, I think the fans just can't stand him.

[Kenny Schrader]

Dale Senior wasn't whiny, but I, I've seen him turn a couple people.

[Dietz (Co-host or Guest)]

Yeah, but I've, I've said this before. He was like, have you ever seen, well, except maybe Daryl Waltrip at Richmond? I was going to say, have you ever seen hook somebody in the right rear?

[Kenny Schrader]

But oh yeah, yeah, pretty big deal. Worked out good for Kyle Petty.

[Herman 'Herman Schrader' Schrader]

We can, we can keep going, guys. Let's, let's move on to Dirt Racing after we mention this. I, I, I don't think we all zoned in on it, but I did see it mentioned quite a bit around 10 o' clock last night. Everybody went, oh my God. We, we didn't hear all the media and TV go, tyler Redick has punched his ticket for the playoffs because now it don't matter. Just because you're the Daytona 500 champion doesn't mean you're in the playoffs now. I like that. I'm going to give my opinion right away. I like it because it's like the good old days. You know, you can win the Daytona 500 and then you can miss the race at Richmond. Winning the Daytona 500 does not mean you're the greatest. It means you won that race. Everybody seemed to like it. That's what Mark Martin wanted and did you guys feel that or did it not even matter to you?

[Kenny Schrader]

I, I like the new points deal. I like the old points deal. I'm not getting a point fund check at the end of the year. It doesn't matter to me. You know, I think, I think that they, it was good the way they went back, but I didn't, I didn't, I didn't, I wasn't all against the other deal, so it didn't matter. But.

[Herman 'Herman Schrader' Schrader]

Right.

[Kenny Schrader]

It's just one less thing to talk about. But Kylo Reddick is leading points.

[Herman 'Herman Schrader' Schrader]

He's leading the points and I saw people doing that too. What's funny is, you know, everybody, when we get close to the end of the year, they're going to take that. They're going to go 26 races. We're going to lock in the top 16 and you know what's going to happen? You're going to see more TV, who's 17th and, and at that time we'll go, my God, we've never focused on the person 17th in the points, but this year we will.

[Dietz (Co-host or Guest)]

You know what, it's going to change. And when I was growing up I would, every week you would see where everybody was in points. I knew where everybody was in the points. I knew where my favorite driver was in the points. I knew how far back they were. And in the last 10 or 15 years I've not even paid attention to. Because the points didn't matter. Now it's going to get back to that. It's going to be a years long championship and that's the way it should be.

[Herman 'Herman Schrader' Schrader]

Okay.

[Kenny Schrader]

That way we don't have to have a Super bowl or anything or a World Series. We just keep points for the year.

[Dietz (Co-host or Guest)]

No, but it's racing. That's it. This is not a stick and ball sport. And, and trying to make NASCAR a sticking ball sport is when you run your World series or Daytona 500 or Super bowl is the first race of the year. It's a different, it's a different deal.

[Kenny Schrader]

I know, I just, I'm just throwing that out. I don't care which way they do it. I like what they went back to is great.

[Herman 'Herman Schrader' Schrader]

Okay, that is our Daytona 500 and it was loaded. There was a lot. And the reason there was a lot is it just wasn't the Daytona 500. We had the truck race, we had the Xfinity race. We had a lot of pre race and.

[Kenny Schrader]

We had, we had to race to get into the Daytona 500. You know, we sent a couple cars Home. And that was a story, you know, I mean, one of them got. Didn't just go. I mean, went fast enough, finished high enough, and then got disqualified because it didn't go through inspection. So that's pretty big deal. You can imagine that kind of payday to one of the. To a small team. That's. That's devastating. Can you hear the vacuum cleaner?

[Herman 'Herman Schrader' Schrader]

Yeah, that's a good thing. That adds to the show. Who's running that vacuum cleaner?

[Kenny Schrader]

I don't know. I'm in here.

[Herman 'Herman Schrader' Schrader]

By the way, my what? My. My wife, Kim called your wife to see when Anne is flying to San Francisco May in May for the cow Petty charity ride. And. And your wife said she's got her tickets. She's sitting in 17 row 17C. I said, Kim, we're sitting in first class. Why. Why is Ann sitting in a row set? Why didn't she get first class?

[Kenny Schrader]

She better not. That cost more. You just sitting there anyway does. I don't know what airline she's on. I'm sitting on the Honda Gold Wing and riding out there.

[Herman 'Herman Schrader' Schrader]

Well, we want to. We want to go with Ann on the commercial airliner because we want to collectively all, you know, your wife, me and Kim, we want to, you know, get to the airport together or to the hotel. So we are gearing up already for the Cal Petty charity ride, everybody.

[Dietz (Co-host or Guest)]

For all you fans out there now, you guys know which flight and when Kenny and Herm and their entire families were going to San Francisco. So just bookmark this and it can be a big party to the copy charity ride.

[Herman 'Herman Schrader' Schrader]

Yeah, I think today I will. I think today better go out. Send my April.

[Kenny Schrader]

We start writing in May. May 1st.

[Herman 'Herman Schrader' Schrader]

Yeah, I think today I will send my check to Morgan Petty. Kenny, you and I, we always buy lunch or something like that for the group. Hey, I think they made the group bigger this year on the Cal Petty charity ride.

[Kenny Schrader]

I don't know, but it's something sure look forward to every year. It is a lot of fun, most organized event. It's unreal how they can take that many people, how Morgan takes that many people and organizes it down to the fuel stops and everything in the motels, and it's just great. A lot of fun. Raises a lot of money for the camp, which the camp needs as much money as they can get because they do some wonderful things.

[Herman 'Herman Schrader' Schrader]

Okay, everybody, we're going to wind the show up like this. We got to go dirt racing for a little bit. It's all yours. Kenny Schrader, what happened in dirt Racing.

[Kenny Schrader]

Well, in the late miles, it was Nick Hoffman. I mean, he won three, three and one championship. And his cars were in the modified part. We've talked about that. We talked about that last week. The big blocks, very neat. Very neat to see Stuart Friesen come back from his injuries and win the first night. He was. He was a factor. He missed Friday night and maybe Thursday night. He ran Wednesday and Saturday, but the truck commitments had him screwed up the other two nights. But neat to see him come back from his severe injuries and be able to win. Volusia didn't have the best weather. It was just colder than normal. But they had crowds. They had lots of cars and they had crowds. So it was. I mean, what Dirt and Brian Carter and his whole group have. Have done there is they. They have really grown that into an event, you know, it's not just a race. And we're talking four weeks. Four weeks of racing down there. It was huge.

[Herman 'Herman Schrader' Schrader]

I would say Dirt Car got. They squeezed every bit out of Volusia they could. You know, I asked Brian Carter, and I don't think he's going to mind me saying this. I said, brian, you know, he. He owns Dirt Car. I said, what's your biggest event? He said that Oswo for the center steers is number one in Volusia is number two. Both of them. That OSW deal, man. They. The city gets involved, but we're going back.

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[Herman 'Herman Schrader' Schrader]

You are. What are you going to do?

[Kenny Schrader]

Yeah, run the pro stock again like we did up there. When? The year you were there.

[Herman 'Herman Schrader' Schrader]

Oh, man.

[Kenny Schrader]

But we're going up and running again. Looking forward to it. Got our schedule. October. Yeah.

[Herman 'Herman Schrader' Schrader]

Okay, everybody, here we are. Do we have any jokes?

[Dietz (Co-host or Guest)]

Of course. Okay. Why don't eggs tell jokes? They might crack the yolk.

[Kenny Schrader]

Crack up. It might crack up.

[Dietz (Co-host or Guest)]

What did the big flower say to the little flower?

[Herman 'Herman Schrader' Schrader]

I don't know.

[Dietz (Co-host or Guest)]

Hey, bud.

[Herman 'Herman Schrader' Schrader]

Say it again.

[Dietz (Co-host or Guest)]

What did the big flower say to the little flower?

[Kenny Schrader]

What?

[Dietz (Co-host or Guest)]

Hey, bud.

[Herman 'Herman Schrader' Schrader]

That's a good one.

[Dietz (Co-host or Guest)]

Okay, and last one. I went to buy some camouflage pants, but I couldn't find any.

[Herman 'Herman Schrader' Schrader]

That's a good one.

[Kenny Schrader]

I hung my jacket in the closet. Haven't been able to find it.

[Herman 'Herman Schrader' Schrader]

That's a good one. Okay. Kenny Schrader.

[Kenny Schrader]

Are they gonna let us come back here?

[Herman 'Herman Schrader' Schrader]

Are we. Are we. Are we in purgatory with dirt racing right now? Or where is dirt racing next week during Atlanta? I know. We got our buddy. We got the Clash on the coast.

[Kenny Schrader]

I'm going.

[Herman 'Herman Schrader' Schrader]

What are you gonna do?

[Kenny Schrader]

Springfield, Missouri.

[Herman 'Herman Schrader' Schrader]

They're racing.

[Kenny Schrader]

Yes. Well, yeah, weather permitting. But, but.

[Herman 'Herman Schrader' Schrader]

Well, let me look, let me look at the weather next week the world.

[Kenny Schrader]

Outlaw late miles are at Hendry county down Florida IMCA stuff is northwest Florida. USCS is at Milton, Florida. Lucas Oil is at All Tech.

[Herman 'Herman Schrader' Schrader]

When is Jerry going to run that race at Springfield? Is it Saturday?

[Kenny Schrader]

Saturday.

[Herman 'Herman Schrader' Schrader]

He needs to move it to Friday. The temperature looks good Friday.

[Kenny Schrader]

If it only changes 20 degrees between Friday and Saturday. It does here too. We got like 70 to 50.

[Herman 'Herman Schrader' Schrader]

It looks Springfield, Missouri next week looks great except for on the day of the race, 30% chance of rain. But just we will ask the racing gods.

[Kenny Schrader]

Yeah, just move the weather.

[Herman 'Herman Schrader' Schrader]

Okay everybody, as we always say, Herman Schrader on the Kenny Wallace YouTube show or on Dale Junior's Dirty Mo Media podcast. So as you stay in Daytona for a couple more days, you decide to drive home, Check us out and respond right here. Kenny, what else?

[Kenny Schrader]

I think that's it. Looking forward to Atlanta race. It'll be exciting. Those races are action packed, you know. And it'll be different this year too because they got how much more power?

[Herman 'Herman Schrader' Schrader]

I don't know. I don't. I just notice that North Wilkesboro is all I know they need to spin the tires. I don't know if they need to go faster at Atlanta.

[Dietz (Co-host or Guest)]

Yeah, I think that was just the short tracks or the tracks under a mile that they added the horsepower. But you will have the. The pavement is getting older again at Atlanta so they're going to be even more unstable.

[Herman 'Herman Schrader' Schrader]

Okay everybody, until the next Herman Schrader show. We'll see you all next time. Goodbye everybody. Check out Dirty Mo Media on Twitter, Facebook, Tick tock and Instagram.

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