Does NASCAR Need to Reign Toyota In?

Summary

Herm & Schrader: Does NASCAR Need to Reign Toyota In?

Podcast: Herm & Schrader
Host: SiriusXM, Dirty Mo Media
Episode Date: July 8, 2026
Hosts: Kenny Wallace (“Herm”), Kenny Schrader, featuring Dietz
Main Theme: Exploring Toyota’s current dominance in NASCAR, the return to Chicagoland Speedway, evolving race schedules, and classic irreverent racing stories and analysis

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Episode Overview

In this episode, Kenny Wallace and Kenny Schrader, alongside regular guest Dietz, dish out their famously candid takes on NASCAR’s hottest topics, with a focus on Toyota’s recent domination, the triumphant return to Chicagoland Speedway, and how shifting race schedules might be changing the sport for fans and competitors. Expect classic Midwest humor, a few old-school tales, some dirt racing updates, and a deep dive into whether NASCAR needs to step in—or if rivals just need to step up.

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Episode Breakdown

1. Opening Banter & Personal Updates (02:00–05:54)

• Health Scare & Thanks: Herm shares a brief health scare about a vasovagal response (“when you go pee and your wires get crossed”), thanks Rick Mast for filling in, and jokes about post-partying ailments.
• Drinks & Stories: The hosts swap stories of vacation drinking adventures, with both admitting they don’t party like their younger days.
  • “The pina colada is almost like the same, but just… Oh pina coladas are better. Sound like a baby drink, but they're good.” — Herm (05:25)
• Schrader’s Racing Schedule: Schrader recaps his recent dirt racing stretch (30–100 races a year isn't unusual), new crew chief Aiden Hines, and reflects on dirt racing’s highs and quick reversals.

2. Chicagoland Speedway: The Return (08:23–14:06)

• Race Recap: Chase Briscoe wins in an electric finish. Christopher Bell nearly overtakes but gets an “arrow push”—“had the fans on their feet”. Toyotas sweep top 3 (Briscoe, Bell, Hamlin).
• Attendance & Atmosphere: Hosts discuss the “epic” vibe, busy grandstands, and the build-up after the track was off the calendar for 7 years.
  • “If that race wasn’t supported, good—after being gone for seven years—I don’t know how close that track came to going away…” — Kenny Schrader (12:41)
• Weather Challenges: Catastrophic rain led to muddy parking and bottlenecked entrances but didn’t dampen enthusiasm.
  • “It destroyed the parking lots… people were covered in mud pushing their cars out.” — Herm (27:58)

3. The “Less is More” Debate – Event Frequency and Fan Interest (15:40–21:33)

• Scarcity Drives Demand: Discussion on how running fewer events (e.g., Lincoln Speedway’s monthly schedule) can energize fan engagement.
  • “Make people realize that something can be taken away, give them less.” — Herm (15:40)
• Comparing Dirt & Cup Schedules: Schrader points out Cup teams are locked into weekly commitments due to sponsorships and contracts, while local tracks and racers prefer less-frequent schedules.
• Short Track Struggles: Dietz and Schrader debate if racetrack rotation (annual, biennial) or regular schedules best serve fans—Darlington vs. Rockingham as a future scheduling example.

4. Track Ownership & Chicagoland’s “Right to Survive” (21:33–25:12)

• Land Sales & Long-Term Planning: Observations on how ISC (international Speedway Corp.) kept Chicagoland race-ready amid selling off land.
• Fan Polls: Herm shares his social media poll—86% of 6,400 respondents loved the race.
  • “86% love this race. 14%... it’s always when a race is really good, there’s always those angry people.” — Herm (24:34)

5. Surprise Races & NASCAR’s Scheduling Strategy (30:41–33:39)

• Embracing One-Offs: Hosts and Dietz discuss Ben Kennedy’s hint at more surprise “one-off” events and largely support it.
  • “You can’t think like you did 20 years ago. I think the direction that they’re going now is really good. … We keep seeing the approval ratings… and TV numbers, something’s right.” — Kenny Schrader (32:38)
• Fan Nostalgia: Dietz reminisces about memorizing the “old school” consistent schedules, now upended by creative scheduling each year.

6. Race Analysis: Chicagoland Details (36:15–41:49)

• Hamlin’s Qualifying Streak: Denny Hamlin clinching his third straight pole on ovals; acknowledged for tire management and raw speed.
• Kyle Larson’s Tough Break: Spun out, got stuck, went two laps down due to rain-softened infield; Herm argues for not penalizing for “car gets stuck,” Schrader disagrees:
  • “He spun out there. No reason… you’re really lucky that you’re two laps down and you didn’t hit something.” — Kenny Schrader (39:23)
• Role of Luck & Momentum: Extended analogy between racing “rolls” (good/bad streaks) and sports/life, noting Tyler Reddick’s ongoing woes.

7. Toyota’s Domination, Monkey Quotes & The Brad Keselowski Bombshell (44:27–56:22)

• Christopher Bell’s Memorable Quote:
  • “It seems like a monkey can drive these Toyotas. … The problem is when you get beat by another monkey.” — Christopher Bell (45:19)
• Brad Keselowski’s Media Moment (47:51–49:30):
  • Keselowski asserts Toyota’s success isn’t a cheat—Ford and Chevy just need to work harder.
  • Criticizes Ford/Chevy for “favorites clubs”—e.g., Hendrick gets favored treatment—while Toyota distributes support more equally.
  • “Toyota treats all their teams the same… that’s why you see Riley Herbst run 10th, and everybody at Toyota runs more competitively than even the best Chevys or best Ford.” — Herm summarizing Keselowski (47:53)
• Spec Car Era: Discussion of the move to “common templates,” spec cars, and why the days of big aero/dyno advantages are largely over.
  • “They had common templates but… this color for this car, this color for that… Now, the way they've got them, it's like, hey boys, you just gotta work harder.” — Kenny Schrader (52:16)
• Future Manufacturers: Speculation about Dodge returning; could be with Kaulig Racing, possibly in concert with Richard Childress.

8. On-Track Paybacks & Drama (57:56–62:39)

• SVG/Austin Hill & Others: Notable incidents in the race, including what looked to be on-track paybacks—SVG (Shane van Gisbergen) and Austin Hill, Zane Smith and Carson Hocevar.
  • “They went to SVG after the race… did you do it on purpose? 'Oh, no, I just went to get in there, and he took the air off my nose.'” — Herm (59:48)
  • “These guys police themselves on the racetrack, and Host of Var is going to see that driving through people is not going to be the way to make friends…” — Dietz (61:32)

9. ARCA, O’Reilly, and Dirt Standouts (62:59–70:00)

• ARCA Race at Chicagoland:
  • Connor Mosack wins, but Laney Bice’s second-place finish is the big surprise. Four ARCA starts, four top-5s.
  • “She didn’t win, but she was a pretty consistent top 10 car, ran all the laps, didn’t make any enemies. It seems to be paying off for her.” — Dietz (64:00)
• O’Reilly Xfinity Recap:
  • Brandon Jones wins after starting 29th (weather-mandated lineup), holds off Chase Elliott.
  • “Brandon Jones woke up Sunday morning feeling light as a feather.” — Herm (65:51)
• Dirt Racing Highlights:
  • Max Blair passes 14 cars, wins Lucas Oil feature from 15th starting spot; Summer Nationals details; power steering drama for Little Shepherd at Macon.

10. Classic Racing Nostalgia & Life Perspective

• Retiring Young:

  • Herm relays Clint Bowyer’s insight: racing hard since age 6 makes retirement at 42 “feel like” retirement at 60 (70:31).

• Closing Jokes: Dietz delivers classic Dad jokes:

  • “What falls but never hits the ground? The temperature.” (71:27)
  • “What stays in the corner and travels around the world? A stamp.”

• Looking Ahead:

  • Schrader’s next dirt stops: Hutchinson, KS; Beatrice, NE.
  • Herm at I-55 and then Trackside Live in Atlanta.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• [24:34] Herm on Chicagoland poll: “86% love this race. 14%… it’s always when a race is really good, there’s always those angry people.”
• [32:38] Kenny Schrader: “You can’t think like you did 20 years ago. … We keep seeing the approval ratings… and TV numbers, something’s right.”
• [45:19] Christopher Bell: “A monkey could drive the Toyotas. The problem is when you get beat by another monkey.”
• [47:53] Herm quoting Keselowski: “Toyota treats all their teams the same… that’s why you see Riley Herbst run 10th, and everybody at Toyota runs more competitively than even the best Chevys or best Ford.”
• [52:16] Kenny Schrader: “Now, the way they've got them… hey boys, you just gotta work harder.”
• [61:32] Dietz: “These guys police themselves on the racetrack…”

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Timestamps for Major Segments

• 02:00–05:54: Hosts’ personal catching up, racing stories
• 08:23–14:06: Chicagoland return, Toyota sweep, attendance, weather drama
• 15:40–21:33: Racing schedule philosophy; “less is more”
• 24:34: Chicagoland fan poll and approval
• 30:41–33:39: Scheduling “one-offs” & fan engagement
• 36:15–41:49: Deep dive on the race: Hamlin pole streak, Larson incident
• 44:27–56:22: Toyota “advantage” debate; Brad Keselowski’s comments
• 57:56–62:39: On-track rivalries/payback incidents
• 62:59–70:00: ARCA and dirt racing updates
• 70:31–74:54: Reflections on racing careers, closing jokes

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Summary

This episode delivers a full-throttle, no-filter blend of race analysis, NASCAR industry talk, and backporch wisdom. The hosts—true lifers at every level—move from debating the merits of surprise tracks and the importance of event scarcity, to the nitty-gritty of Toyota’s current dominance and whether rivals should work harder instead of asking NASCAR to intervene. Diehard fans will appreciate the episode’s blend of data, nostalgia, and shoptalk, while casual listeners will enjoy the irreverent banter and the sense that, in racing as in life, “it’ll change… enjoy it while you’re on top.” The conclusion? NASCAR, and racing at every level, is just as much about adapting to change as it is about chasing speed.

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Transcript

[Herman Schrader]

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[Herman Schrader]

Herman Schrader on the Dirty Mo Media platform from the middle of America in St. Louis, Missouri starts right now.

[Kenny Schrader]

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[Herman Schrader]

I'm looking at Kenny Schrader right now.

[Kenny Schrader]

Is he a drinker in the show?

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I mean.

Yeah, you.

[Herman Schrader]

How in the world did we agree to do a podcast?

[Kenny Schrader]

I like spending time with you.

[Herman Schrader]

That makes me happy.

[Kenny Schrader]

Well, it's all about making you happy.

[Herman Schrader]

We're always honest.

[Kenny Schrader]

We don't know that we're not in trouble already. And sometimes truthful. What makes you think you're not a little different?

[Herman Schrader]

You're weird. Herman Schra.

[Kenny Schrader]

And you're here. You're joining us.

[Herman Schrader]

You know, Kenny, I. I want to say thank you to all of you deets. Kenny Schrader, especially Rick Mast. Rick, thank you so much for filling in for me. I. You know, I don't mind. I'm not going to tell the details, but I got up in the middle of the night, went to go to the bathroom, about fainted and come to find out, you know, I mean, I've had it happen to me before, but I said, I better go to the hospital. And I had vasovagal response. It means when you go pee and your wires get crossed. And, buddy, I thought I was done. And so they checked everything out to the maximum peak, and. But, Kenny, thank you. Thank you so much. You. Hey, by the way, I learned something. You're really good at opening the show up. I watch.

[Kenny Schrader]

Yeah, well, guess what? I don't want to be. I don't want to be good at it. You know, a lot of things you want, you need to do, I can help you with. This is like, you know, you'd been down at wherever. Where'd you been partying at Rusty's place. Cabo.

[Herman Schrader]

Cabo.

[Kenny Schrader]

Sleep with one foot on the floor. That'll help you a lot.

[Herman Schrader]

Well. And I don't drink like I used to. So when I was in Kabul, Geo, he. I said, geo, what do I call you? And he goes, the butler. I said, really? I said, well, make me a pina colada. So the hermit don't drink much anymore, but the pina colada and then a margarita here and there.

[Dietz]

But, hey, let me. Let me tell you, the last time I. Well, the only time I've ever went to Mexico, it was a couple of years ago. And I'm the same way. I don't drink nothing like I did my 20s or even my early 30s. So, anyway, we're out there at the pool, and every time the guy comes by, you know, I get a pina colada, and I'm like, so the guy just bring it here to the pool? My wife's like, yes. Every time he came by, I was like, I drink about half of it. And I'm like, all right, bring me another one when you come back. Bring me another one. You come back, man, I was drinking them things like ice cream, and in the afternoon, you know, my wife went back to the room. So I went up there, and she was getting out of the tub out on the patio, and I got in it, and the next thing I know, I woke up naked in that tub, empty. And I was like, what. Why did you. Why did you let all the water run out? She said, I didn't let it Run out. It drained out. And needless to say, we went out on the boat the next day, and I. That was rough. That was. I didn't want to feel like that again for a long time.

[Herman Schrader]

Kenny, here's what I learned. The margaritas are a little tart. Like, the margaritas are legendary, but they're just for me. The pina colada is almost like the same, but just, oh, pina coladas are better. Sound like a baby drink, but they're good. Okay, Kenny, before we get going, I need to brag on you a little bit. You are a racing machine. You race last night at Quincy, Illinois?

[Kenny Schrader]

Yeah, well, we only. We skipped one. We got rained out last week. Five times.

[Herman Schrader]

Oh, yeah.

[Kenny Schrader]

And then we only raced Thursday. Friday, Sunday, blew off Saturday. And we're not racing tonight or tomorrow, which we could be because we go to Hutchinson, Kansas, this Friday and Beatrice, Nebraska, Monday. Find something to do Saturday, somewhere in between there. But we. You know, I have a new crew chief here. Aiden Hines, young man, 21, UNOH graduate. And we're having fun. We're having a lot of fun. Joey Walsh was with me and you, hell, last 25, 30 years. I mean, and he's. He's went to work for his brother transmission shop to have his weekends off, which I totally understand. And we still call and beat on him all the time. But, yeah, we've been racing a lot, having fun.

[Herman Schrader]

One last thing, and I'll let you go about that. You taught me a lot about dirt racing, but it seems like when the year starts, we. We got that. Me. This is me. You got that magic number of 30 races, and then. Then 50 means you've done a lot. Like, 50 is a lot. And I know that you've done a hundred in a year. What is that number that makes you go, okay, I did a lot of racing this year. What is that dirt racing number for you?

[Kenny Schrader]

I don't really much care about that number. Last year we won 14. This year we're only at two so far. So that's the number we got to work on.

[Herman Schrader]

Hey, hold on now. You're the one that taught me. I don't know how many years ago I got on a roll and I won, like, four in a row, and it was 2012, actually. And I'm so excited. And I tell Kenny Schrader, I said, schrader, I just can't believe this. I'm. I'm winning so much, and I'm excited, you know? And Kenny puts his arm around me, goes, don't worry. That'll end. And in dirt racing, it. It stops like a. Like a Mack truck hitting a bridge. I mean, just. It's the dirt racing. The dirt racing changes the car. You're dealing with dirt and you hit things.

[Kenny Schrader]

And that's every. I think that's every.

[Herman Schrader]

Well, you're all right.

[Kenny Schrader]

That's every sport. Yeah. Yeah.

[Herman Schrader]

Well, dirt racing more. Dirt racing more, it seems to me like. But okay. Well, I'm a big fan of Kenny Schrader, and I've been watching him race his brains out, and it's fun to watch. You okay, Kenny, I know you were racing deets. You watched it. Let's go, everybody. Chase Briscoe wins an exciting finish over Christopher Bell. Now, Christopher Bell is running Briscoe down, and, I mean, we're on our feet. We know Christopher Bell is going to pass him. Gets right to him with two to go and picks up an arrow. Push. Getting into one. And that was it. But, buddy, I mean, it had the fans on their feet. Denny Hamlin finishes third. Gibbs cars sweep the top three.

[Dietz]

Now, Gibbs didn't run. He was in the top ten. Right?

[Herman Schrader]

That's your job. Well, hey, Kenny and Dietz, we're going to come back to it. Okay? But there's so much that happened before this race that we got to talk about.

[Kenny Schrader]

One question.

[Herman Schrader]

Go ahead. Yep.

[Kenny Schrader]

Attendance.

[Herman Schrader]

Well, that's exactly. But we're going to get to the catastrophic rain, too.

[Kenny Schrader]

Oh, I saw highlights. That was big.

[Dietz]

He was. He was eight, by the way.

[Herman Schrader]

What do you want to give us the top 10 before. Let's go to. Let's go to the rain, the grandstands, the vibe, and then we'll come back to the race because it was as big as the race.

[Kenny Schrader]

Go ahead.

[Dietz]

It was a very interesting top 10. So Chase Briscoe, one did. Christopher Bell in second. Denny Hamlin was third, William Byron in fourth. He won the first two stages. Brad Keselowski was fifth, something he obviously needed. Ryan Blaney, I think this is seventh straight top 10. Austin Cindric, another guy who needed a good finish. Ty Gibbs, who ran, you know, from about fourth to eighth the whole race. He ended up finishing eight. Corey Ham again ninth, and Riley Herbs was 10. So you got, let's see, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 Toyotas in the top 10.

[Herman Schrader]

And we're gonna get to that, Kenny. Later in the show, Brad Keselowski made waves in the media center about Toyota domination, but he blamed it on his own automaker. So we'll get to that in a minute. Okay, Kenny. I'M gonna say this. You indeed set you up. Give me a response. So let's go to the, let's go to the beginning of this comeback weekend. NASCAR had, had shut the racetrack down for seven years. And there's, there's way more to say, but we will get there. Okay, so Kenny, your favorite guy, Jeff Gluck, he's the guy that. Was it a good race or bad race? Okay, and that's Jeff Gluck. He's super big in NASCAR media. We'll call Bull when you have to. So he's him and Bob Pockgrass, Those are our guys. So here's what Jeff Gluck says before the race. Busy grid at Chicagoland, meaning there's a lot of people on pit road. Place has a lot of energy. Still seen a long line of cars trying to get in. Looking forward to this one now one more NASCARism. Not I think Nascarism. He, I think he does something for nascar, but he's well respected. Nascar, NASCAR chasm. Excuse me, NASCAR chasm. He says we are at never before seen levels of back to Chicagoland Speedway and then I'm gonna end like this. Kenny and Dietz, every time the cars come by, TV liked it because they pulled the camera back and showed a full grandstand. So that's your information, Kenny and Dietz. Kenny, you want to go first?

[Kenny Schrader]

Well, I just. It's simple. First off, we didn't have good weather. I know that. Real hot. We had some pop up storms. I saw some video of some stuff going on up there. I don't know if it was Friday or Saturday. It was humongous. But people welcomed it back. You know, we can talk about this forever. It doesn't make any difference. It just looks like things are getting better. I mean, that race in my mind was very, very important to us. If that race wasn't supported, good. After being gone for seven years, I don't know how close that track came to going away or not. I've heard it was fairly close to going away, but the fact that NASCAR kept it, kept it up, kept it ready to go and brought it back and then it was well supported. I think it says a tremendous amount for us now. We had bad weather at the Chicago street race a couple years too, if you remember that it was flooding on the pits or whatever and tires were floating around. So I don't know, I just, it makes me happy that it was well supported and perceived as a good weekend.

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[Dietz]

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[Herman Schrader]

Hey, just, I want to just dig into this psychology of this, you know. You know, I'm gonna go, I'm gonna go somewhere different. Our friend Bob Sargent, you know Lincoln, Illinois dirt track. He says, okay, we're not running every week. And, and Bob, you know, your partner, my dear friend Bob says okay, we're going to run Lincoln Speedway once a month. And it just seems better. I mean I'm acting silly here a little bit, but just indeed you pile in on this. Is that, is that the new strategy? Make people realize that something can be taken away, give them less. Because the reason Chicago went off the calendar is you. Nobody would show up. So here, I'm going to take this away. And now they all show up. It seems to be working in our little dirt track in Lincoln diets. You go, I mean you're you, you're the one saying Florence should shut down because it gets nobody there.

[Dietz]

Well, you know. And you kind of had a hot take a few weeks ago about Nashville. That made, you know, a lot of. A lot of people.

[Herman Schrader]

I pissed a lot of people off.

[Dietz]

Yeah. And. And here's the thing.

[Herman Schrader]

But everybody said I was right. The people in the sport that matter, they said I was right. I just. I accidentally hurt some feelings one second. I did not know people were trying to, like, take bulldozers and get rid of the place. What I meant was, you know, let. Okay, the date is not going to work. I said, can the date. I didn't mean bulldoze the track down. And Bob Sergeant straightened me out on that. I said, oh, damn. I didn't know they wanted to tear the racetrack down.

[Dietz]

Yeah. You were more or less talking about the nascar.

[Herman Schrader]

The date of it. The date, not the track.

[Dietz]

Yeah, well, the cup race. Just forget that and keep it at Super Speedway. And I agree with you. 2019 was the last time they raced Chicagoland. When they took it off schedule in 2020, I was like, fine. Who cares? Whatever. Because the races were so bad on mile and a half. And we've been talking about it for weeks now here on the show about how excited we were going back to Chicago Land with this car with the pavement aged where it is. And. And I thought that was great. And I don't. I don't. I think NASCAR's got a hard decision to make because if they're dead set on bringing back Chicago street course, which I could right now, the races on the short tracks and on the road and street courses with this car are not great. For whatever reason, whether it's the brakes, the contact patch being so big with the tires, whatever it is, it's not that great. Now, do you go back to Chicago land every year? I mean, this race, for all intents and purposes, is in Iowa. And, you know, it's right across the state line from Iowa. And you got the race track out in Newton. I would. It's got, you know, races, which I like, and I think it should stand, long story short on the short track front. And again, I can use the example. In the Carolinas, they race every week just like all other short tracks did for years and years now. You got a handful of tracks like Hickory and. And there's just a couple that run every week now, and they can do it. But. But the reason, just like what you're saying with Lincoln, what happened is, is people were not in a big part of. It's the Racers. A lot of the racers have gotten where they do not want to race every week.

[Herman Schrader]

True.

[Dietz]

Race every week. They could race at Florence one week and race at Dylan the next week. And there are a few drivers that do that. But even with both tracks not running every week, you would sit there and think, well, all the cars dealing in Florence will run at each racetrack. Well, they don't. You got dealing cars, you got Florence cars, and you got a couple that overlap, but not many.

[Herman Schrader]

Kenny Donnie Jumper says that you got granite cars. And when granite closed, that was it.

[Dietz]

Yeah, yeah. And it's like when. When Beach Ridge up in Maine closed it, everybody was like, oh, all those cars are going to go to Oxford. Well, maybe two handfuls went Oxford and the risk just quit.

[Kenny Schrader]

I'm with you there right up until that's weekly show guys. We're talking 36 teams that have sold sponsorship and signed charter agreements with NASCAR to be at every race. And that's 38 weekends right now, 36 points and the two special shows. So these guys are racing every week because that's what they contractually signed to do.

[Dietz]

And I listen. I don't. I'm not saying that they shouldn't do that or they shouldn't run 30 weekends or whatever the contract ends up saying. I think the question is, is if you go to Chicago Land every year, is it as good as it was this year? Or maybe you go to Chicagoland every other year, every two years, and then you get into a whole bunch of stuff where you're like, well, does this racetrack deserve two races every year? Or should we go back to Kentucky, or should we go back to wherever, you know, in making a rotation, to where it makes people. I think if Rockingham comes back as a Cup race, Darlington's losing a Cup race. As a guy who grew up in South Carolina and who loves Darlington, if Rockingham comes back, Darlington should lose the spring race. There's not enough to support it all, not enough fans.

[Herman Schrader]

Kenny. All right, let me serve this up to you. Saw this, and it was perplexing to me. It seems like NASCAR had a plan if it was their land. I respectfully say this, and I'm talking to Kenny Schrader. If it was NASCAR's land, they sold a lot of land away around the racetrack. I know you were racing last night, but out where we used to sign in, outside the tunnel, there's massive buildings right up against the racetrack.

[Kenny Schrader]

Now.

[Herman Schrader]

Now. Okay, here's what I want to say. NASCAR kept this racetrack groomed beautifully, like they knew they were coming back. It. It looked like they never stopped racing there. What are your thoughts on that?

[Kenny Schrader]

Hey, this is way over me. You know, I'm used to just talking about.

[Herman Schrader]

It's just. It's just a show.

[Kenny Schrader]

But nascar. Not nascar. We always say nascar, because that's everything. But, yeah, ISC bought all their stock back however many years ago. I don't know how much that cost, but it was a lot. And there was a reason a lot of extra land sitting around got sold. But the bottom line. And we talk about all this, it don't make any difference. The bottom line is we went back to a racetrack that we hadn't been to for seven years. They had a hell of a race. The people came out and supported it. We've got. I want to get your. Your opinion, your survey deal here real quick. But they came out and supported it. And people can bitch and moan. They can do whatever they want. Doesn't make any difference, but this car is putting on some good races. And we'll say, well, it's not. It doesn't do as good here. Well, guess what? We haven't always had real good races every place. And we can't go back in the day. You know, first thing we could do is take the concrete and pavement off Martinsville because it was dirt, too. So, I don't know. It's just. It's the way it is, and it was good Sunday. What. What did. What the survey say.

[Herman Schrader]

You're gonna love this one. And for everybody on the Kenny Wallace YouTube show, you still got show it. No, it's Kenny Wallace media now.

[Kenny Schrader]

Oh, yeah. Yeah.

[Herman Schrader]

Check this out. Is this unbelievable? 86. So everybody on Dirty Mo Media, we're showing this. 86% love this race. 14%. And it's always when a race is really good, there's always those angry people. Squeaky wheel gets to Greece. But Kenny, you're right.

[Kenny Schrader]

86.

[Herman Schrader]

86%. Now this. 6,400 people. So that's a solid.

[Dietz]

His numbers have been. I don't know if it's the algorithm or what, but the last couple of weeks with the poll, because I've had to read it, his numbers have been back like they should have been. As far as this poll goes, I don't know what that means, if it means anything. As far as the number of 86,

[Kenny Schrader]

we were happy with 62%. I think at Pocono, you know, we thought that was good.

[Herman Schrader]

Because everything. Everything in life is, you know, 50.

[Dietz]

50.

[Herman Schrader]

It's like, hey, if we got 55, we win, you know.

[Kenny Schrader]

No, it's.

[Herman Schrader]

It's okay. Not all bad, both of you, but let me serve this up to Kenny then. Diet, you come in. New subject matter here. All right. We already talked how it is amazing that everybody came back to Chicago. They. They kept the track well groomed, like they knew they were coming back. They sold land off, however, and I mean this in fun. The media got there and they said, oh, same old Chicago. I mean, I don't mean normal rain. And guys, you saw it. I was up there with, you know, Gary Saint Sin, the owner of Low Voltage Solution. I signed autographs downtown Joliet, and then I was going to go to Fairberry. The rain was not normal. This was like next to Tornadic, and it destroyed the parking lots. And if you looked at the Kenny, you were racing once again, I'm just reminding everybody who's just come into Herman Schrader. TV TNT was not afraid to show. They backed the camera way out. They had parking lots that look like a mud bog, and they had to shut down all this parking. So they had a long line of people. It was difficult to get into the race. However, people got in, they got sat down. All's well. That's end well. NASCAR cannot control this. They had plenty parking. It's not because they sold land off because they showed it. But, Kenny, what could NASCAR do? I mean, when that camera. I told my wife, I said, oh, my God, look at that parking spot. And there were people having fun with it. On Saturday night after the O'Reilly race, people were covered in mud pushing their cars out. So NASCAR had to call the audible and shut down parking lots that hold 500 cars. I mean, what are they going to do, Kenny?

[Kenny Schrader]

I don't. I can think. A lot of things I like to do to have fun. I don't know if being covered in mud, pushing my car is one of

[Herman Schrader]

them,

[Kenny Schrader]

but that, you know, that's just. That's part of the deal. It happens.

[Herman Schrader]

You can't pave. You know, people like, you need to grab. I'm like, people. People look at anything in life. I mean, I don't know how many people were there, but, you know, there. There was a lot. Then the racetrack said, will you please carpool? Help us out. Catastrophic rains. And I want to drive that point home. Catastrophic. You all saw it. Dietz, what did you think of the dumpster flowing through the garage area?

[Dietz]

Well, I mean, you guys know the Midwest in July with thunderstorms and things of that nature. You can't control it. People got to get over that kind of stuff. I'll never forget. I have. I'll never see this again. But at the first cup race they ran at Kentucky, you were there, Kenny. Because we were working, Herm. We were working on race day, and they had it in July, and it was 500 degrees. I remember me and Rutledge went out and did something at a thoroughbred

[Commercial Announcer]

farm,

[Dietz]

and it was so hot out that between takes, we had to go back and get in the car because to be in the air conditioner, you couldn't even be outside. But what I was going to say is that you'll never see again is that when we got to the racetrack that morning, we got there real early because we knew the traffic was going to be bad. And I saw people, tow trucks hooking up the cars. I'm like, wow, they're towing people out here. Cause they're not parked in the right area. And they were like, no, they're not towing them out of here. There's no parking attendance, and people have parked all over the place. They are literally hooking up the cars and moving them over where there's not spaces between them so they can get cars in here. When I left the racetrack that night, when the green flag failed, there were cars backed up 20 miles to Cincinnati and 20 miles back to Louisville. And it totally ruined that track after that because they finally got the roads and stuff straight. But after that first year, nobody came back. So I hope people just understand the situation there at Chicago. And you know, one other thing, that

[Herman Schrader]

was plenty of parking in Chicago. Just had to get rid of some because there was mud bog.

[Dietz]

I hope that NASCAR will address because everybody brings it up as a joke. Now, whatever's going out on at Fontana, the grandstands are there, the front straightaway is there, and then there's a warehouse right where turn one was. And they told everybody they were going to make it a half mile short track and have not said a word about it since. They should just say whether or not they're going. Everybody knows they're not going back there. But just say. Because it's the same situation as you said, Herm, with the warehouses and stuff. They sold that land out there. The attendance was not great at Fontana last few years and they made a business decision. But I would like to at least hear that. That, you know, that it's is canned, as you would say, so I don't have to bleep myself.

[Herman Schrader]

Okay, Kenny, we're going to put this to bed and go to the race. I just like to hear Kenny Schrader's. I say Schrader because there's two Kenny's. It's rough, Kenny. It seems like Ben Kennedy and he has said it. So this is not an opinion. Ben Kennedy. Remember a couple weeks ago when I did my last time I did Herman Schrader with you all. Ben came out and said expect more one offs. Do you like that, Kenny? Do you like these, this, this one or two weeks during the year where you don't know we're going to race until they announce it?

[Kenny Schrader]

Yeah, well, you know, they announced it the year before or you know, way before when the schedule comes out, which I'm sure next year schedule is done. You know, we haven't seen it yet, but I'm sure it's done.

[Herman Schrader]

Man.

[Kenny Schrader]

I don't.

[Herman Schrader]

Do you like it?

[Kenny Schrader]

Yeah, but I'm, I'm a nascar, I'm a NASCAR fan. I think that going, going out to Coronado island was neat. I think doing the Chicago street race was cool. You know, when they added Cota, going back to Chicago, Chicagoland Speedway, wherever in the hell they go next year up there, I don't care. I just, you know, I wasn't a big fan of going out to the Coliseum. The Coliseum, they call it out in California. Yeah, that's right. But you know, one of the big reasons, and know this one of the big reasons for that seven year, what 7.7 billion dollar contract, TV contract because of NASCAR showing TV what they are capable of doing at different venues.

[Herman Schrader]

Good point.

[Kenny Schrader]

I mean that, that was, that was a part of it. Yeah. I just, you know, I've always been a fan. You can't think like, you can't think like you did 20 years ago. And I think the direction that they're going now is really good. And, and Ben and his team, I think they're doing a great job. We're not going to make everybody happy, but we keep seeing the approval ratings that we're seeing of these races. And if we keep seeing TV numbers, something's. Something's right.

[Herman Schrader]

I agree with Kenny. I really enjoy and I'll just say it in my hermanism ways, I like it when NASCAR announces a couple surprise races every year. I kind of like the dietz. You want to put a button on this? I like when NASCAR announces to surprise. You know, put me to two weekends away where we race in this year and hopefully it's different.

[Dietz]

Yeah, I like it. I remember when I was in high school, there was a guy who wanted to quiz me about how much I knew about racing. So I gave him like a pocket schedule and I said I'm not even going to look at it. And he named the date and he said where are they racing at this weekend? And I told him because they you guys raced every year at the same places twice a year, the same day, same everything. So I just knew generally what race it was going to be and I would not be shocked. Again, I mentioned Kentucky if if NASCAR wanted to go back to Kentucky, they fit, they fixed the roads and they won't have that situation that they had 15 years ago. But if they wanted to go back to Kentucky next year, that place I think would be sold out. And I do like it. I'm would you kid? Maybe they go back to Road America, which I think it was too big, but I think there's a lot of places that they could do that.

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[Herman Schrader]

Okay, we're done. We are headed.

[Kenny Schrader]

That's good.

[Herman Schrader]

To the race.

[Kenny Schrader]

Yeah, that's good. Tell me about it. I didn't see it. Tell me about it. Yep.

[Herman Schrader]

You're gonna like it, Kenny. You're gonna like it a lot. Let's. Let's just roll kind of through. Denny. Denny Hamlin wins his third straight pole on ovals. Now, Kenny. What? This is what I wanted to bring up. Isn't it interesting that Denny is known as kind of like in my day it was Bob Senaker, you know, he 400 miler. Here come Bob Seneca at the end. Denny Hamlin is known for saving his tires, but yet he's been setting quick time a lot lately. So this is a driver that can go fast when he's got to three poles in a row on ovals and not road course, but yet, you know, can save his tires for the end. Just your thoughts on Denny being able to do both?

[Kenny Schrader]

Denny's really fast. We know that he wins a lot. You know, did I read that Denny's got 50 something poles?

[Herman Schrader]

He tied Ryan Newman two weeks ago.

[Kenny Schrader]

how many deets?

[Herman Schrader]

That's your job. Okay, well, let's move on D to give us that. Okay. The race gets rolling, Kenny, and I want your opinion on this. I'm going to give mine first. The race gets rolling. I dropped my pen. Our dirt racer.

[Kenny Schrader]

Sorry.

[Dietz]

52.

[Herman Schrader]

52.

[Kenny Schrader]

That's a lot.

[Dietz]

He's one. They said a few weeks that he's one. Only a handful of guys that has won 60 plus races and 50 plus polls.

[Herman Schrader]

Kenny, how many polls you got? You. You set quick time a lot in cup?

[Kenny Schrader]

Not that much. We were in our 20s.

[Herman Schrader]

25.

[Kenny Schrader]

Right. That's a big somewhere right around there.

[Herman Schrader]

Well, that was big. Okay, so this race gets going. Our dirt racer, Kyle Larson loses it all by himself, spins out. Now we know this, this race car still has some issues with, with the turtle shell bottom. The car sits not 2 inches off the ground. He slides through the mud. That's it. I was impressed, Kenny. NASCAR has got these little eyings. So NASCAR goes flying out there. It's like they practice it. These officials run through the mud, you know, the grass. They screw these eye rings in the front of Kyle's car and I mean pull that damn thing out. But now he's two laps down. My opinion is, and it could not be right, but it don't matter. It's a conversation. I don't Think he should have gone any laps down? Because a car should not get stuck, you know, it just shouldn't. It's the fault of the car and we have catastrophic rains. I think he should have been put to the rear of the field and stayed on the lead lap.

[Kenny Schrader]

I don't agree with that.

[Herman Schrader]

You're okay. That's fine. And I thought you would.

[Kenny Schrader]

He spun out there.

[Herman Schrader]

That's true.

[Kenny Schrader]

There's been out there. No reason we're not, you know, this isn't Covid. We don't have a reset button. Friggin spun out. You're really lucky that you're two laps down and you didn't hit something.

[Dietz]

Yeah. I'll give you a good example to people forget, but in the 79 Daytona 500, Bobby Allison, Kale, Yarboro, Donny Allison spin out of turn two early in the race. Donnie Allison lost two laps in 1979, and unlike today, he didn't have a lucky dog. He made up two laps and had a chance to win the Daytona 500. What I hate is that when you spin out, he had to go around the racetrack with four flat tires. And that's really what ruined his day.

[Herman Schrader]

I thought that car was going to catch on fire. Deets, Kenny. That carbon fiber bottom or whatever that material is, it was blowing smoke. I told my wife, I said this thing might catch on fire because he had four flat tires.

[Dietz]

And then it totally screwed up. The arrow Dietz.

[Kenny Schrader]

Going back to your Donnie Allison two laps down had to be the most impressive, one of the most important days in NASCAR history that, that race.

[Dietz]

Yeah. And everything with that race had to happen the way that it happened. Because of the snowstorm in Northeast, the wreck on the last lap. But even, even so, I think Richard Petty on the last Layup was running third. And it was Waltrip and AJ40 or AJ Foy and Walt one or the other. And they got off the gas. And Richard Pastor, that race, to me, if Richard Petty don't win, that race is not as big as it is if, if, if Daryl Waltrip wins it or even if AJ Foyt win. I mean it just one of those deals that we've seen in the sport where everything added up to make it this colossal moment.

[Kenny Schrader]

Yeah. With the big thing being it was the first nationally televised. The whole race live. And people are like, holy hell. There's a lot of stuff going on here on Sundays. But anyway, back to Chicago.

[Herman Schrader]

No, it's good stuff. I like that. Okay. Different subject matter, everybody. When a team gets on a roll Kenny and Dietz, when a team gets on a roll, they're on a roll, like you talked about earlier. And I like this, you know, last year you won a lot of dirt races, Kenny, 14, and we still got half the year to go. You're going to win a lot more. But when a team gets on a roll, it's on a roll. Look, let's look at Tyler Redick won like three, four in a row, but it's the opposite too. When things go bad, they equally get on a roll the bad way. He has finished outside the top 25, three out of the last four races. Tyler Reddick had like almost a 300 point lead. And it's like a million dollar bonus or it's big to win the, what they call the, you know, the middle. The regular season championship. We go 26 races, right? And then they take the top 16 in the points. So to win that regular season championship, it's a big deal. Listen to this, Kenny, he gets a hole in his radiator and it is a heat exchanger. The oil cooler is inside the radiator. I mean, you should have seen the optics. The oil and water was unbelievable. They had to red flag the right. Not red flag it, but it was bad. The camera stays on this car in the garage area. Water and oil coming out now. Now Tyler Reddick is 44 points down to Denny Hamlin. Can he just speak to these roles or D roll, man. It's went bad for Tyler.

[Kenny Schrader]

Yeah, it's the same thing as when things are all going right, sometimes they all go wrong, you know, and that's something about. And that's, that's not just our sport. That's in a lot of things, a lot of different sports. But yeah, it's a tough business.

[Herman Schrader]

Hey, is life like that, guys? I mean, you know, you can walk out of your house every day, you feel like a million dollars. You go to lunch, your food's good, or do you go outside the house? Everyone's saying like, you know, I just don't feel good. You go to lunch, the food.

[Kenny Schrader]

We're still trying to figure out how to get parked in Chicago. I don't know if we need to worry about what trying to figure out,

[Herman Schrader]

okay, let's have some more fun. So the Toyotas are dominant and we're going to get to this big Brad Keselowski deal. It's going to be right after this. Christopher Bell has maybe the quote of the year. And I laughed my butt off. They're interviewing Christopher Bell and you know, of course the media does the job. Christopher Bell, oh, my God, you were going to win, then you didn't win. And he goes, yep, I'm just a second place driver. Okay, that was funny, but, you know, I'm no good. I'm just a second place driver. But the next one was the one for the year. He says, you know, it seems like a monkey can drive these Toyotas. What's frustrating is I got beat by another monkey. Only, you know, a monkey could drive the Toyotas. The problem is when you get beat by another monkey. Kenny, that sounds like something you would say.

[Kenny Schrader]

Well, I gotta believe he's referring to everybody complaining about the advantage you know, that they have, right? They're on top of their game right now. But don't worry, okay? It will change. Enjoy it.

[Herman Schrader]

I told you, everybody, Kenny Schrader taught me that. Don't worry, it'll change.

[Kenny Schrader]

It'll change.

[Herman Schrader]

Okay, here's the controversial subject of the weekend. And, and if this is not content for a show, I don't know what, what to say. But so NASCAR says, okay, we need some drivers in the press, in the media room. They're going to do a presser. You know how they do it. Let's bring in Chase Elliott, Denny Hamlin. It's raining. Let's have the media talk to him. Fred Kowselowski says Ford and Chevrolet need to do more. We're getting our ass beat by Toyota. Ford is not doing enough. Chevy's not doing enough. And everybody's like, whoa. But, but I, I'm going to give my opinion right now. I like what Brad said because you don't take away from the people that have worked their butt off. You don't, you don't take things away from Toyota. It's the American way. You tell Chevrolet and Ford to get their ass in gear. In my opinion, is that Ford, they got sometimes no cars in O'Reilly, sometimes they got one car. And this was the very controversial part, what Brad said, He said the problem with Ford and Chevy is they got their babies, they got their special teams. Let's give Hendrick Moore because he's. He's got all these dealerships. So Brad, really. And everybody agreed. He says this to put a button on it. Toyota treats all their teams the same. And that's why you see Riley Herbs run 10th, and everybody at Toyota runs more competitively than even the best Chevys are best Ford. So this is Brad Keselowski. It's not mean. Kenny, what do you think? Do you agree or not?

[Kenny Schrader]

Well, you know, you obviously you can always put more resources behind. Behind an effort, which you sometimes think you're doing everything and you just got to do more. I think, you know, if I was Chevrolet, I would continue to really be focusing on all the teams for sure. But a lot more important at Hendrick, forget about how many dealerships he has. I would have to look at it as how many championships and victories they have, because that's what's. That's what's been good for them is the championships and victories and what they've done for Chevrolet on the racetrack.

[Herman Schrader]

Yeah, that's why I thought it was a look, you know, when Brad Keselowski says that Ford and Chevy have their

[Kenny Schrader]

favorites, did he say dealership?

[Herman Schrader]

Toyota does not.

[Kenny Schrader]

Did Brad say dealer?

[Herman Schrader]

No, I added that in there. That was me.

[Kenny Schrader]

Okay.

[Herman Schrader]

That was me. He's just saying they have their favorites, you know, And I'm thinking, why? Well, you just straighten me out. Well, they win all the time.

[Kenny Schrader]

If I was toile team, I'd make sure Gibbs has what they need. I want everybody, all the teams to have what they need, but make sure Gibbs has what they need. And gm, you got to take care of all the teams. But that team that has all those victories and all those championships, make. Make damn sure we're getting them what they need.

[Herman Schrader]

Deets. Why do you think Toyota gives even their lower teams everything that they're giving everybody?

[Dietz]

Well, I, you know, I think it's exactly like what Schrader. Well, what we're both saying is that, you know, they're trying to spread the wealth, but I'm sure that. That, you know, Gibbs is probably getting something that Legacy's not getting, I'm sure.

[Herman Schrader]

And it could be Gibbs themselves. Hold on.

[Dietz]

Yeah.

[Herman Schrader]

I'm going to throw this to you. Brad said Chevrolet and Ford are depending on the teams to come up with the ideals more than Chevrolet or Ford. In other words, you're looking for the automaker. Hey, give me something. And Brad said that, you know, the automakers aren't coming up with ideas.

[Dietz]

Well, I mean, Toyota's got trd and Ford and General Motors may have a racing division that that's all that they worry about. But you know, with Toyota, that they have trd, which that's all they worry about is the racing aspect of it.

[Herman Schrader]

Good point.

[Dietz]

You know, you guys live it. I bring this up a lot, but it was 90 to 91 or 91 to 92. Ford had won like 10 races in a row. And back then, everybody would complain and say, you need to take spoiler away

[Herman Schrader]

or if you didn't have a Ford, you could not win Michigan. Remember those days, Kenny?

[Dietz]

And it was the same way that General Motors would go out and win 10 races in a row and Ford wouldn't win and take away something on the air dam on the front, this or that. I, I would think it back then the dimensions were different. The, you know, the, they did adjust things like that to try to even it out. Right now you basically have a spec car with the automakers engines in them. So to sit there and say that they're at a disadvantage to somebody and if they are saying they won't help from nascar, they've got less of an argument now than they've ever had because the car is essentially the same car.

[Kenny Schrader]

My very favorite NASCAR accomplishment. And you talk about the people and our fans, but they were going to come up with common templates. Everybody threw a fit. We can't have common templates. So they, they, they backed up our net pretty quick and came up with really working hard to get all the manufacturers arrow matching. That's because they had common templates.

[Dietz]

They had common templates but they, but

[Kenny Schrader]

you know, they had this color for this car and this color for this car for the templates. When they went through tech and they put the right color in the right car and everybody was happy then, but right back in the day it was like that we need a half inch spoiler. We need this. They need less now the way they've got them, it's like hey boys, you just got to work harder.

[Dietz]

And everything, everything really started changing in 98 because when, when Ford brought the Taurus everybody was like, oh, they don't make a two door version of a Taurus. And they said the same thing with Dodge when they brought the Intrepid. They don't make a, they don't make a two door version of the Intrepid. And NASCAR was like, well we don't. Okay, this, this is going to be something different. And it eventually has gone down the line to common templates to a spec car which I'm sure they don't like people saying, but I mean it is what it is.

[Kenny Schrader]

And it's, it's went to 86% approval rating.

[Herman Schrader]

Hey, I'm gonna button this subject up like this. And these two know this. I was a Pontiac driver. Pontiac made a car for NASCAR and NASCAR said no, it's gotta be a streetcar. So Toyota or Pontiac, excuse me, Pontiac made like a hundred real quick and showed nascar. So that is what we used to go up Against. And it is better now because NASCAR even used to say, okay, let's take all these cars at a wind tunnel. If one is way better, we got to get them more equal. And they also would go, okay, we got to take you all to the chassis dyno. If one car's way better, we got to make them more equal. So this has been ongoing and I'm talking to everybody now, not you guys, but the fans. This has been going on since Kenny said 19. Oh, and now I like how you said it, Kenny. Now we got 84 approval rating.

[Dietz]

So hey, but it is, it is better to a certain extent now. But here's the way I look at it. When Plymouth was making a Superbird or Ford was making the Torino Talladega, the carmaker was directly involved in the NASCAR stock car aspect of it because they were making just enough cars, production cars to make it legal for nascar. They were directly involved with it. And I mean you remember with the Monte Carlo and with the Grand Prix they're towards the end. They, the spoilers weren't straight across.

[Kenny Schrader]

Yeah. The Arrow Coupe humpbacked. Yeah. They made the Arrow Coupe for us. Put that rear window in there.

[Dietz]

Yeah. In the late in. So you look at a 1985 Monte Carlo in the Grand Prix and the back window, it went straight down 86. It's got that bubble.

[Kenny Schrader]

So just think we're going to get another manufacturer.

[Herman Schrader]

Oh, Dodge. Kenny, tell me.

[Kenny Schrader]

Well, I don't, I mean, good point. I don't know when but you think they're not working on stuff now it's

[Herman Schrader]

going to be colic. Colic racing.

[Kenny Schrader]

It has to be.

[Herman Schrader]

So next year. Yeah.

[Dietz]

Hey, and can I just. I'm going to throw this out there because I heard this years ago. So there was some rumblings that Dodge was going to come back about 10 years ago and the name that I kept hearing was Childress because Childress was not getting what Hendrick and the other teams were colleague is on that same campus as Richard Childress.

[Herman Schrader]

Hey, whether it's true or false, they are on the same campus on the same street corner.

[Dietz]

Yep. I wouldn't be shocked.

[Herman Schrader]

Okay, well in ending everybody, Brad Keselowski says Toyota does not have an advantage. Ford and Chevy are not working hard enough. And so that was eye opening,

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[Kenny Schrader]

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[Kenny Schrader]

What about the race? Didn't SVG and somebody run into each other? What was the deal?

[Dietz]

Oh, there were a couple of rooms.

[Herman Schrader]

There was some paybacks. Even, even, even the boys in the booth say it was go ahead Deeds, take it.

[Dietz]

Yeah, well again, I don't know what happened and maybe, maybe I missed it when they went over it, but Zane Smith absolutely drove through Carson Hosavar at the beginning of the race and I can't believe that Carson Hosvar would have made anybody mad. And, and then sv yeah got svg, did the same thing to Austin Hill and they kept going back to what happened at San Diego and Sonoma. Yeah, to me the San Diego thing was a racing deal. You know, the, the track house cars were side by side, one had to get out of the gas, Austin Hill was right behind him, hit him, knocked him into the other one and, and you had all of that. But you wouldn't expect paybacks on a racetrack that big and fast. Boy, it sure it it didn't. It looked obvious.

[Herman Schrader]

Even if we don't think it was a payback. The booth, the TNT booth, they thought it was a payback, so.

[Dietz]

Well, Austin Hill did too.

[Herman Schrader]

Yeah, I mean he, they went to SVG after the race and they said, svg, was that a payback? Did you. I mean, Kenny, he, I mean he punted him. He punted him hard. And of course, you know, that puts Austin Hill, which everybody is. The Kyle Busch car plants him ass against the wall. And SVG is interviewed after the race and they said, did you do it on purpose? He goes, oh no, I just went to get in there and he took the air off my nose.

[Dietz]

And what did he cut? So they go to Austin Hills Radio and there's like Van Google Homer or whatever

[Herman Schrader]

the spider did. Svg, Van Google Heimer guy. Well, I think it's starting. Kenny, you said it not long ago. I think, oh, Carson love Carson. O Savart, love him. Can't wait, you know, buying lunch. But I think it's starting to happen. Okay, before you accidentally get into me, this is what's going to happen next week. And it's happened two weeks. No, two out of three weeks. It happened at Coronado where Corey Hine

[Dietz]

paid him back for him the championship a couple of years ago, which, that was terrible. People say what they want to, but that deal at Phoenix, Carson Hosvar, that was ridiculous. I mean that straight up. Corey Haim had that championship going away and I, I'll just leave it at that.

[Herman Schrader]

But well, no, I'll finish it up here. I'm just, I'm not going to say nothing. I'm going to say what they said. Corey Heim after he won Coronado said, hey, I remember the championship. And then they went to Carson Osvar and Carson Osvar said, well, I had to get him before he got gone because I couldn't catch him.

[Dietz]

I'm like, so I read.

[Herman Schrader]

So Kenny Schrader said it would take care of itself and it looks like it's starting.

[Dietz]

It is, it is.

[Kenny Schrader]

Yeah, you're right. Remember Jimmy Spencer? He got a big. He never forgets. There's a lot of guys never forget.

[Dietz]

Listen, you think about this and it's been like this throughout the 75 year history of this sport. Kurt Busch calm down after all that Jimmy Spencer stuff went on and it does take care of it. Said these guys police themselves on the racetrack and host of our is going to see that driving through people is not going to be the way to make friends and the way to have people race you the way that they raised Christopher Bell or Chris Bush or somebody like that.

[Herman Schrader]

I was in Berlin, you know, Berlin, Michigan, and Carson spun the local hero out in that, you know, money in the bank. 150. And I was up there a week later or so, and they, they were. They were very disappointed in Carson.

[Dietz]

Then he got put to the back and he parked the car.

[Herman Schrader]

Yeah, okay. I'm just saying. What. What's going on? This is. This is not my opinion. This is what. But this is what happened, so. Okay. And, Kenny, you started this. Damn it.

[Kenny Schrader]

What did I say?

[Herman Schrader]

I was good. I was getting ready to move on to another subject, and you said, whoa, whoa.

[Kenny Schrader]

Well, my payback. So I just, like I said, I didn't get to see the race. I really want. Watch the highlights because when it has that kind of a approval rating, I want to see what everybody liked.

[Herman Schrader]

Okay, we're coming to the end here. We're doing good. Kenny Strader always wants a one hour show, and so do I, and so does Dietz. The first ARCO race winner after seven years being gone from Chicagoland. Connor Mosak wins the ARCA race. Congratulations to Connor. But the big story was, I never saw this lady coming. I don't know who she is. Now Dietz does. Lady racer Laney Bice finishes second. Four ARCA starts, top five in all four. Dietz, who the hell is she?

[Dietz]

Well, she came from. She came from late model stocks, and she. She drove for Lee Pulliam last year. I think she ran the whole cars tour. But the thing that I have noticed about her whenever she drove late models was she. She didn't win, but she was a pretty consistent top 10 car, ran all the laps, didn't make any enemies. It seems to be paying off for Kenny.

[Herman Schrader]

You know her?

[Kenny Schrader]

No, I'm not. I'm not familiar, but four top fives. That's.

[Herman Schrader]

Four top fives in four starts.

[Dietz]

Yeah.

[Kenny Schrader]

That's huge.

[Herman Schrader]

Yeah.

[Kenny Schrader]

Yeah.

[Herman Schrader]

Congratulations. Laney Bice.

[Dietz]

And she's won. She's won a poll or two. She led layups at Chicago. I mean, she's. She's not looking into finishing second. You know, she's earning it, staying up there.

[Herman Schrader]

Yeah. Okay. And in. In total, putting NASCAR to bed, everybody. This was big, of course, massive rain delay. I mean, we're around midnight. Brandon Jones, because he had a rough week the week before, starts 29th. Because of the metrics. They take your finish from the last week. Car owner, points, qualifying gets rained out. Brandon Jones starts 29th, and literally lines up with Chase Elliott. Clears Chase Elliott and wins the O'Reilly Auto Parts Race.

[Dietz]

And that was another good, clean race. Chase sailed it in up there on the outside and looked like he would clear him. And two of them didn't run into each other. Just good old hard, clean racing to the end.

[Kenny Schrader]

Good, kenny.

[Herman Schrader]

Anything about O'Reilly?

[Commercial Announcer]

No.

[Kenny Schrader]

Like I said, I didn't get to see it. But Brandon Jones, you line up beside Chase. The late restart in one of Junior Motorsports cars, and you win the race and there's no contact, you gotta feel pretty damn good.

[Herman Schrader]

That's what. That's what I said. I said he. You know, Brandon Jones woke up Sunday morning feeling light as a feather.

[Kenny Schrader]

Yeah.

[Herman Schrader]

No issues.

[Dietz]

Yeah.

[Herman Schrader]

Okay, Kenny, this is where you come in. We'll do dirt and we'll go to jokes. What do you got for dirt racing this weekend?

[Kenny Schrader]

Oh, man. I was.

[Herman Schrader]

Or last.

[Kenny Schrader]

Yeah, I wasn't on it. Max Blair in the Lucas Oil 8 miles at Mackinaw Kania.

[Herman Schrader]

No, it was Devin Moran's racetrack. And Devin was upset.

[Kenny Schrader]

Muskegon.

[Herman Schrader]

A lot of people went, is that what it is? I'm gonna find out. Right.

[Kenny Schrader]

Muskegon.

[Herman Schrader]

But keep going.

[Kenny Schrader]

Start 15th. Came through and just drove away for him. And it was just a hell of a performance. He's passed more cars this year than anybody. Just. He hasn't been able to get the good starting spots. Just puts qualifying and heat races and whatever, but he just. Just keeps marching forward. It was a. It was a great, great race. I just didn't see a lot of them. I know. Sunday night, Little shepherd lost power steering at Macon summer nationals. Ump Hell. Tour Hunter Lapper. He was only the third guy to lead all hundred laps in the history of the race. But he lost power steering with like 16 to go or something and won the race. Had a huge lead with a take the white flag. Next flag is a yellow and had a restart.

[Herman Schrader]

Unbelievable. I screamed at that guy that parked in turn three.

[Kenny Schrader]

I couldn't believe, but I was like,

[Herman Schrader]

pull off the damn racetrack.

[Kenny Schrader]

Yeah, but. And I guess Mansfield, a Lucas Oil race, went to Mansfield. It got moved from someplace else and maybe Atomic and went to Mansfield. And I think they had weather, so I just.

[Herman Schrader]

Catastrophic, right?

[Commercial Announcer]

Yeah.

[Herman Schrader]

I'm not up another one.

[Kenny Schrader]

Yeah. Not upper in this week's races. I'm sorry.

[Herman Schrader]

Well, no, let me help you. I just went to Lucas Dirt is what it's called. And you're right. Chris Blair banks $25,000 max player. Sorry. So sorry. And here's what's legit he outrun Devin Moran. Second Hudson o'. Neill. So it don't matter if Nick or Pierce were not there. And what happened was Devin Moran was very disappointed that Superman and Nick went

[Commercial Announcer]

home,

[Herman Schrader]

you know, after the rain out there at Mansfield.

[Kenny Schrader]

I watched Max Blair. I said, man, I remember racing with him years ago, and then he gets out the car and they interview him. Now, this was earlier in the year, and, oh, maybe that was his dad I raced against. Yeah, it was his dad.

[Herman Schrader]

Oh, don't you dietz. These people come up to me in Schrader. You know, they're very nice, and they'll ask for an autograph, but they'll show you that picture. This is my baby boy that took a picture with you. Now, the guy's six foot tall. You're like, oh, we are getting there.

[Dietz]

I can't remember who it was, if it was. If it was Christopher Bell or Ross Chestine or something like that, but, no, it was Kyle Busch. And they showed a picture. Carson Hosavar with Carson, host of ours, about eight years old, and. And taking a picture with Kyle Busch, and then he ended up getting a race with him. So it's good to see that.

[Kenny Schrader]

I sent out a group text the other day, and I don't do group text, but I stand out to Jimmy Spencer, Laurie Hamilton, cousin Carl Blaney. We were all in this picture.

[Herman Schrader]

Oh, damn.

[Kenny Schrader]

At Peevely. And Ryan's in it, too. I sent this picture out. It was from, like, O2. And then I sent Blame you a separate one. Said, man, I can't believe how old Ryan's got, you know?

[Herman Schrader]

Yeah. Hey, let's end like this, guys. I got Kenny hour and five minutes here now, but it's like these guys were quitting at 42 years old. And one day we're out at Sturgis, and I looked at Clint. Boy, I said, clint, why did you quit NASCAR at 42 years old? He says, kenny, what you don't understand is I've been racing since I've been six years old. I said, okay, I get it. I. I didn't start racing, period, until I was 22. Of course, you and Rusty started at 16, but, you know, I wasn't in that deal. But Clint put it in a way, I totally understood. All these guys, you know, Jeff, Gordon, all of them, they're starting at 6, and, like, when they get to 40, they're 60 is what Clint told me. And I said, okay, I get it. Give me some junky jokes, okay?

[Dietz]

I got some really good bad ones here. They're one liner. So there's four what falls but never hits the ground. The temperature.

[Herman Schrader]

Okay.

[Dietz]

What stays in the corner but can still travel around the world. A stamp. Okay, that's just.

[Herman Schrader]

I tried.

[Dietz]

I tried to make a joke about retirement, but it didn't work.

[Kenny Schrader]

Didn't work.

[Commercial Announcer]

Okay.

[Dietz]

And here's the last one. I think this one's my favorite. My friend likes to take the elevator, but I like to take the stairs. I guess we were raised differently.

[Herman Schrader]

All right, Kenny Deets, what are you doing this week? Kenny Schrader.

[Kenny Schrader]

I don't think we're gonna race all week because the two that we probably should have went to, we're not as Monday and Tuesday and we're not. I just got too much to do. We go to Hutchinson, Kansas this Friday. Salt City Raceway, I believe. Really neat place, went out there last year. And Saturday we're gonna just drop in someplace probably and Monday we go to Beatrice Speedway for an IMCA special. Jordan Gabrowski is involved in that race. So that's it for us working around the shop.

[Herman Schrader]

I like Jordan. I gave a speech at Wissota. He's. He's a badass. Hey, by the way, your wife Ann was on social media and my wife told me, Ann says, we got a lot of bubble wrap. Who wants it? Kim tells me, I call Anna said, anne, we've sold over 2,000 of those coffee mugs. I'll come get your bubble wrap. She goes, well, okay, when you come in because Ken, which is you, is going to Beatrice. And I thought it was odd that Ann remembered that name, Beatrice. That must be really stuck in her head. She knows the name. Beatrice thought that was pretty cool. So, okay, everybody, I will be running I55 Federated Auto Parts Raceway park this Saturday and then Sunday I'm going to get on a commercial flight. Trackside live at Atlanta, starts at 3:30 on Sunday at. They officially call it Echo Park Speedway.

[Dietz]

I'm sure we're gonna have a lot to talk about next week after land.

[Herman Schrader]

I like it when Kenny reminds us every Atlanta race that they're way slower.

[Dietz]

It's.

[Kenny Schrader]

But it's a hell of a show how many seconds. That's why, that's why it's, you know, a restrictor plate track is. I mean, that's why they're, whatever, they're slope. But it's exciting.

[Herman Schrader]

Okay, everybody. It's exciting. Okay, everybody. Like we say all the time. If you want to see Deets and Schrader's pretty face, tune into the Kenny Wallace YouTube show and you will see Herm and Schrader if you want to listen to us on the way to Beatrice Dirty Mo Media and there our podcast is Herman Schrader. Until the next Herman Schrader. Anything else guys?

[Kenny Schrader]

Not me.

[Herman Schrader]

Goodbye everybody.

[Kenny Schrader]

Bye bye.

[Herman Schrader]

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