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Greg Biffle: Winning On & Off The Track
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This Kenny Conversation with Greg Biffle, which originally aired on 6/19/24, is championship caliber.
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I'm going good, Kenny. So glad to finally make it on the show. And I'll tell you, I've been working on stuff in my shop and I've been buying parts off of Jegs and I love it.
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Well, thank you. Listen, we're going to loosen up and Kenny Conversation is just that. Let me start like this with you, Biff. First of all, I want everybody to know up front that, I mean, you're a champion, you're a winner, you've done it all. And we're going to get there. We're going to talk about how great you are, because that's what we do on Kenny. Conversation is, well, you know, you really are, though, Biff. You really are great and you've done it all, and I mean that. And I'm going to tell everybody your stats in a little bit, but let's have fun for a little bit at the start. The, the TV show, NASCAR race day built by the Home Depot. So successful. And every week we would choose who's going to win the race. And John Roberts would say, I'm going to stick with the Biff. I mean, how much fun have you had with that, that nickname, the Biff?
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I mean, I've had a lot of fun with it and John Roberts and that show. That show is awesome. And I wish we could do that show every week right now. Look, it, it was so much fun over the years that, that he'd pick me every single week. And, you know, back in the day when we were winning races, that was. Those were pretty good odds. But I've had a lot of fun with it. We've done a lot of stuff and it's got a lot of traction, sold a lot of T shirts.
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Yeah.
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And all that stuff along the way. But it's, it's been fun.
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I'm gonna go somewhere that you're probably gonna go. What? So I did a little research on you. Now, you straighten me out because none of us are perfect in life.
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B
That's right.
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So listen to this. Biffle. Biffle. Okay. German and English descent. Ancestor Joannes Buffle. B U F F E L. Came from Contwig in western Germany and settled in North Carolina. Is that right?
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You know, I've heard that before as well. And I don't know, you know, I did that 23andMe or whatever the hell it is. And, and to see your ancestors in the tree and all that. And it was very, very interesting. But I don't, you know, past my grandparents and, and their grandparents, I really, I've heard the same thing. And I believe that probably somewhat to be true, I guess, but it's, it's interesting when you start looking at all, all of your history and where, where all your ancestors came from.
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Well, besides you being really good at what you do, the last name really helped I, I think with, you know, back to the Future. The Biff.
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Yeah.
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And there you are, man. Your timing was perfect. And so. Thanks. I just wanted to talk about your name, how awesome it is. And. Yeah, we, the, the crowd, we'd have 5,000 people out there on NASCAR race day and they would be chanting, stick with the Biff. I, I just want to acknowledge those days, all right, we're not going to go through your whole history, but I just, I really. And I know you've told this story a lot, but this is a new audience, Biff, this whole, this YouTube show, Kenny Conversation. So if you will just for a moment, act like it's all new. You're in Vancouver, Washington, you're living out west. You're winning everything there is. You're, you know, you look like a hermit. You got this beard, you're working. You're like the Wallaces. You're a grease ball and you're just kicking their butts. You're winning everything. And lo and behold, the question we get asked all the time, how do I make it into nascar? So I'm just going to give a little teaser and you run with the rest. So any parson. So you take it from there.
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Yeah, Kenny, I'll tell you what, it's. We all get that question of young racers. Go kart racers. Local Friday, Saturday night. Guys, how do you make it? How do you get there? And my dad introduced me to, you know, hobby stocks, street stocks. My dad was a Southern California guy. Never oval tracked race race. But my dad messed with, you know, drag racing and all that. Ran around with Mickey Thompson and then some of those guys. Southern California history. But basically I, I started a small shop building race cars, doing roll cages, building, you know, limited sportsman street stock, then late model fiberglass body cars, then tour cars. And I won the championship on in 1995 at my local track in a track about five hours away.
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What was the name of those tracks?
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Portland Speedway and Tri Cities Raceway. And Tri Cities Raceway just recently reopened and they're going to have, I think they're having an ARCA race there later this season. So I've been toying with the idea of potentially racing it or going back at least, and checking out the track because it's a great track. If you went there, Kenny, it is a carbon copy, almost carbon copy of Concord Speedway. Dog leg, back stretch, you know, kind of a wide three and four corner, really neat. I've never been to Concord Speedway, but the one time I went there reminded me so much of Tri Cities. But anyway, we, I was building cars and had a race shop and we're working, you know what it is, 20 hours a day, sleeping for four.
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And you're doing all this yourself, you're hands on. And we all Know how hands on you are?
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Yep. There's three of us full time in our shop. Myself, Roger and a guy named Zippy from, from out west. Jason. So it was the three of us. And we'd race Friday night, come home at midnight, unload the car, and we would. We have to switch the intake manifold, the lead, the left side, wait, drive five hours, four and a half hours, and race Saturday night. We had to be there by five out west, close the racetrack to get across. So we had to leave by noon, otherwise we would miss the first practice.
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Oh my.
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So we had to repair anything. So we switched. We, we, we raced there Saturday night, won the championship of both tracks. And the first year, we didn't have the money to go race what was called the Tucson Winter Heat Series. And so it got a lot of attention. ESPN2 was covering that. I watched, and it was, it was Bob Jenkins and Benny Parsons were the TV commentators. And the year before, Ron Hornaday got hired by Dale Earnhardt from that series, from that televised series. Because winter heat, winter heat. How else do you find talent? And, and guys are sitting at home, you know, scrolling through channels, and here it is, right? So Roger and I are like, we gotta get there. We have to get there. So in 95, we make the, you know, we round up enough money and we go to, we go to Tucson and we qualified fourth and one. It was a three race series. They did Winston west cars and, and late model cars. So we qualified fourth and one. Ironically, we qualified fourth in the second race and won. And then we qualified 11th and like finished the third or fourth and won the three race series. Well, we came back the next year and one one again and won some races and, and I became friends with Benny Parsons. You know how he had come down in the pits and he would walk through the pits, car to car and talk to every driver. You remember that about him?
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Yeah.
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And, and I just, it's amazing, you know, how personable he was and how much he cared about the racer and gathering that information. So when he was in the booth calling the race, he knew something about every driver. And so we became pretty fast friends. And I said to him, Benny, how do I get an opportunity to race? The trucks, the trucks were just brand new, right? Had just, the series had just started. And he said, well, Biff, he is. Or Biffle is funny. He says, well, Biffle, I'll, I'll pass your name around. Put his arm around me and he said, I'll pass your name around the garage and see what, what we could stir up. And so I guess the story goes that, that Benny Parsons and Jack were passing each other in the garage in Michigan. And Jack had mentioned to Benny that he wasn't able to get Tommy Kendall to drive his third truck team. Tommy Kendall, he wanted Tommy Kendall to move back east and not live in California anymore. And Tommy Kendall didn't want to move from Southern California. And they got in a spat over it. And Jack said, forget it. I'm going to hire someone else. And Benny said to Jack, hey, don't forget about that kid I told you about in Washington. He'll do you a great job and whatever else. And from that, I'm working in my race shop. We're getting ready to go to lunch. Phone rings. I answer it. It's Jeff Smith. He said, I want to. Jack Roush wants to know if you want to race the, the truck series for him next year. Wow. I thought, somebody's pulling my leg.
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Yeah, falling out of your chair.
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At this point I'm like, no way. This is not real. Right? No resume, no. No test. They were calling to hire me.
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But the great thing about this story and what makes Kenny conversations so much fun is I never heard the part about Kendall. So he, I mean, that's what makes this awesome. I learned so much just now. I just, I just thought it was Benny Parson tells Jack and that's it. Yeah, but that, that is incredible.
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If Tommy Kendall wouldn't have, you know, turned down the ride, basically, or, or whatever had happened, I would have never got my chance. So it's all the stars aligning. And, and I've heard the interview of Benny Parsons before that they said, well, what do you think about, you know, you recommending Greg and them hiring with no tasks or whatever. Anyway, the story goes, he said the last person he recommended to a team was Ernie Irvin. That's what he said. He said Ernie Irvin. Then it was, you know, Greg Biffle. So it was very, I was very lucky, special. Another funny story about that is I, I. My parents own a steel yard backed up to my building. So my parents owned these building complex where I had my race shop. Of course, I couldn't afford to pay rent, right? So I wouldn't, I wouldn't add a business if it weren't for my parents. Yeah, well, I use their fax machine back in the day before email and all that. You know, they, they're like any business I did do. What's your fax number? Well, I'd give them that. I'd walk up There and get it off the facts. So they faxed me a contract. I go up to my parents office, and my dad's in there, my mom. And it's like 20 pages thick, right?
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Yeah.
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And I'm flipping through it and I'm like, on page three. And I said to my parents, I said, does it really matter what this contract says? I'm signing it. Where's the last date? And my parents are probably so excited because they figured out that they don't have to pay for the parts anymore. And. And somebody else. I was gonna get to drive somebody else's race car, you know, because they helped me a tremendous amount, obviously. So anyway, it's kind of a funny story. So that's how it went. No test, no resume. Hired me over the phone. That was it.
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I gotta add on, this is funny. So Roush, Jack Roush, had the unique ability to hire great talent like you. Like, you know, Carl Edwards and Kurt Bush. Yes. So Roush was on top of his game, I believe. Now, do you think Roush was the best at finding talent back then?
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You know, I do. And I think, here's. I don't want to take credit for this, Kenny, but I think.
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Go ahead.
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I. I think I was sort of phenomenon because I came different than everyone else. Right. Benny Parson recommended me. I lived in Washington state, all the way across the world. And Jack came to me and he said, you know, after we had moderate success, he said, are there any other guys out there? Like, you're like. Because they're like, how do we find these guys? Because they're, they're the traditional channels. They're not there, you know, for. For local racers trying to get a chance. And I recognize that there's hundreds of great racers across this country will never get an opportunity because they're not the right place at the right time. So that's when they did the Gong Show.
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Remember that? Yeah, the Jack Roush Gong Show.
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So they had all these guys, and Kirk Bush was one of them. And we were at Toledo, Ohio, testing. I set the car up. They, the kid, the guys would drive it. We're down to the four finalists. I drive the car. They drive the car. We're standing on top of the transporter. Me, Randy Goss and someone else. We, the guys ran their 25 lap runs. We went down in the comp, in the. In the lounge, and they basically said, who's your pick? And it was down to like, two guys. And I said, kurt Busch is your guy. And they said, you think? So I Said, that guy has got car control like I haven't seen in a long time. That's the guy I would pick. And. And they picked Kurt, and then they hired his brother, then they hired Carl. Right. It was sort of that. And Casey Kane was hired by Abraham out of Washington state. I don't know the full story about how Casey got his opportunity, but it makes sense. I think it, you know, I think that it opened up the tradition, more non traditional channel for drivers.
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Yeah, yeah. Hey, real quick, I'm listening to you intently. Kenny Schrader, he's related, I mean, very close to Carl Edwards. And it amazes me that Carl Edwards and Schrader don't, you know, do more together because he really is, you know, cousin Carl. So Kenny Schrader says that Carl seeks out his advice. So Carl goes, schrader, I got this, this crazy contract from Jack Roush. And, you know, he's explaining to Schrader everything. And Schrader says, this is the punchline. It's funny. Schrader says, okay, Carl, take all your contracts and lay them all out. There was just. There was just one. One contract. Schrader says, sign it.
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Yeah, right.
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So that reminds me of you. You know, just when you think you're something special, take all your contracts, lay them out. You know, there's only one. Sign it.
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That's right. Let's. Let's go.
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It I got. I. I've got goosebumps.
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Yes.
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Yes. I've got goosebumps. And. And you. You have. Kenny, you have to pinch yourself every time because it's. It's. It's just seems like it's not real.
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Does it seem like. You know, I've listened to. I've said this before. I've listened to the great tennis player from Germany, Bjorn Borg, and a lot of athletes, when they look back, they have this weird feeling that that's not me. Yeah, that was me. Do you have that feeling that you can't believe that was you?
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Yes, I do. I do. And it's incredible to. To hear. You know, it's incredible to hear every. Every time. Right? Every. Every single time. And when. When I hear people talk about the championships.
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Yeah.
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2000 T truck champion 2002 Xfinity champion 2000 was my year for the cup title.
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Yeah.
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It. We finished second.
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Yeah.
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Had the most wins in the series and had a loose wheel at Texas and. And finished 20th that day. We were running third.
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Yeah.
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And cost us the title two races later, obviously. But it. I get goosebumps when you talk about the whole thing, but I also instantly, when you. As you graduate up and you got to that, you know, the end of that story, I. My brain. I can't help it, but my brain goes to that memory of. Of the 2005 season all the time.
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Yeah.
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Because it's. It's. It's one of those things that is. Literally, it's always with you. You know, there's one race that's. That's always with someone or. Or one memory, and I forget about all those things. I actually forget about it until you mention it. You talk about the rookie of the year, and you talk about the championship and the championship, and then. And then it's like the light comes on in my head. It's like, oh, yeah, I forgot. Didn't really forget, but what about 2005? So I. I'm so blessed to. To have all the wins and all the things. Accolades.
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I find all of us athletes are identical. You can tell people how great they are and they truly are.
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Yeah.
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You know, like. Well, I'm just, you know, comparing. I always tease everybody, look, I'm an old racer having fun. I'm working on my dirt car right now. I washed my hands, put on a shirt, come do this show. Same with you. But, you know, in 1991, you know, I go down into turn three at Loudon and broke a trailing arm, knocked myself out, and that was my Championship to win, and I lose it to Bobby Labonte. So my question is this. Why do all great athletes. Why don't we acknowledge our greatness? Why do we always go to that one bad time? What is that about human psychology?
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I think, Kenny. It's. It's in every great athlete. Every great athlete will have that same instinct. And the reason why is. It's the competitiveness inside you. It's the will to want to win, and it's the will to succeed and be the best you can. And you know that. That defined. That was a defining moment in your career as well as the successes, right? It. It is that championship. You lost because the trailing arm broke, because it. You know, you had a severe crash. You remember that as a defining moment.
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And devastating.
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Devastating. It's a devastating moment in your career. It was a devastating moment in my career. When I look back on it in 2005, it wasn't. It was. It was a disappointment then, but looking at it now, since I'd never got another opera, since I didn't win a Cup title, now you look back and say, it's different now than it was in 2005 or 2006 or 7. Because you still had that opportunity, but now that you're not driving anymore, Kenny, it was devastating to you because you lost that moment. That was your. Your opportunity, and it wasn't. You lost the chance. You were winning the title. You were going to win the title, and that happened. It's not, oh, I got close. It's. There was a. There was a moment in time that. When that broke, that. That defined. That defined it. And when I had to drive down pit road and that tire was loose, that was the actual moment that. That I lost the championship in 05. Not knowing it then, but two races later, obviously. So it. I think as an athlete, you go to all your successes, but you also think about all the memories, whether they're good or bad. And you brought up a bunch of great memories. And it's one that I think of when I hear my stats. I don't know why I wish I didn't, but. But I do.
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Well, listen, all right, let's. Let's breathe a little bit. This is common. Every. Every single Kenny conversation goes just like this. You know, I won seven championships, but. But this happened in my life. That scarred me. You know, we look at Jimmy Johnson, you know, he's been roughed up. You know, I'm sure he'd give. I'm sure he'd give all those championships back right now, but okay, let's have a little fun. All right. Something that I really like about your career that is very unique. You're in a very, very small group and I'm going to brag on you more. You have done something that is so rare and I changed the heading of it a little bit. You did what is called a stair step progression. You wanted everything. So in other words, Johnny Benson kind of did this a little bit too. But you won in late model stocks, you won in the truck series, you won in the Xfinity series, and you won in the cup series. I guess that is so rare. Was that planned or did it just happen?
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I'll tell you, I think it. It just happened. I think it. I wouldn't say it was planned, but when you succeed at a level, then you get the chance to go to the next level.
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Good point.
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So I won. You know, when I signed my contract, it was a truck in Xfinity, I think. Or no, I take that back. It was a three year cut truck contract.
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Yeah.
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When in year two, we, they extended that contract to include, you know, redo the third year of the contract and add two years of Xfinity. And then in the middle or the first year, my Xfinity contract, they amended the contract again to include cup because we were successful and winning races, we obviously won the championship the third try in the trucks. So as you succeed, the opportunities came with sponsorship and moving up the chain. So I think that it just happened that way that I succeeded at those levels. And again, young people ask you how do I get my opportunity to get into this series or move up or get into nascar? And I say the same thing to a lot of them. I said, you have to win, you have to win races, you have to win championships in order to get that opportunity. How does a football player or a quarterback get his chance? He has to be great or win, you know, win games to get that opportunity. So that's where I think that's how I did it. I just got opportunities along the way. Now, of course, remember Kurt Busch. There was an opportunity, a cup team. I believe it was Chad Little and the John Deere Carr potentially. But Kurt went from trucks and leapfrogged me to cup. Skipped the Xfinity series. But that wasn't any more than just opportunity. I wouldn't timing and opportunity. I just signed a multi year contract with extended with Granger. We had a great team, a great group of guys and we were going Xfinity racing. And to be honest with you, I'm. I'm so happy that, that my career went that way. Yeah, I was a little sore that, that Kurt got the opportunity before me, but I knew I was going to get the opportunity as well. It was just going to be two years later. Yeah.
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So I, I want to say this. I want to, I want to compliment you on something. There are teams that know they have a good driver. So when I think of, of the Biff, I think of a driver that you could drive a car neutral, you, you get wiggly loose every once in a while coming off a turn to at Michigan where you're cheating death. And I believe Jack Roush and that team could see that. So my point is this. If a team is struggling, they say to themselves, we got the right driver, we got a bad car. And I, I just wanted to say that I always thought anytime I raced around you, you were driving the crap out of those cars and, and you have the talent. And I, I'm thinking about that Gong show right now. You said where, you know, you had all these drivers. My question is this, it changes a little bit right now. My, my brain is thinking when all these drivers showed up for that Gong show and, and you, you had to say, look, this guy's special. Kurt Bush is special. Could you see or did you know in any of the other drivers faces? You know, because all drivers think they're great until they realize there's somebody better than me. Just comment on that.
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Yeah, that's a, that's a, that's a difficult situation to, to look at all those drivers and they, they wouldn't have been in that position if again, they haven't accomplished a lot of things. They'd won a lot of races and all of them had their own accolades, they'd won championships. And a lot of them carried themselves fairly well. And some of them were a little cocky. And I think you have to be if you feel like you have the ability. Right. Some people see cockiness as a bad thing and I don't because I know what it takes to succeed and be successful. You have to believe in yourself. Right. And if you don't, then, then you, you've got troubles. But Kenny, you brought up an interesting point. I remember looking at each one of those guys and, and talking with them and watching them get in and out of the car. You can tell that each one of them, the focus that they have. I wouldn't say that I could tell by talking to them their ability or talent on the racetrack, but when they got on the racetrack, you could certainly tell. And you could tell Kenny that some of them had got to where they were were because they were very, very consistent. Right. They're very consistent week in and week out. And had won a championship and had won a lot of races but didn't. Weren't gonna go far, I didn't think. Right.
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Yeah.
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Meaning when the competition gets tougher and, and you know, you've got to articulate. They had good car control and whatnot. But I think some of them were good at their, their craft in and they were comfortable in that position. And you know what it's like on a cupcari when you're going to all kinds of different racetracks every week and different tires, different. All kinds of things can happen.
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This is not your local racetrack anymore.
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No. And you have to adapt. You have to adapt. And I saw that adaptability, I think in Kurt was one thing that I saw.
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A
Yeah, okay. Changing courses again. Here we are. We've established a wonderful career you've had. You really are a chameleon. You can fit in anywhere right now. I met up with you at, at Darlington. Obviously you're one of the greats, but they started this new NASCAR alumni and it means that we just want all the drivers to love NASCAR again. Please come. We're going to give you a hard card. NASCAR told me that some of the drivers, you know, felt roughed up. You know, the Ricky Rudd, you know, NASCAR don't care about me. They don't, they don't give me a hard card. And so I was talking to Jim France and Mike Elton. They said, you know, we've really, we really did get it wrong all those years and we're just, we're just embarrassed. So now we're going to make it right. I want you to comment now what you see NASCAR trying to make it right. How do you feel about that? I see that you've gone back to some NASCAR cup tracks.
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B
Yeah, it's, you know, certainly we can sit here and throw stones all day long and you know, admitting that you've done something wrong or missed you know, what an opportunity is one thing, but I couldn't understand why you wouldn't want Ricky Rudd, Tony Stewart, me, you, Carl Edwards. You wouldn't want these guys walking around in the garage.
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A
Pay them, pay them. Come to the damn right people.
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B
That's free advertising.
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A
Right.
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B
You want Carl Edwards to walk down pit road and sign a few autographs away with some fans. My gosh. Well, how, you know, that is something or any, any former driver. So it's con, you know, it's mind boggling to me that, that NASCAR wouldn't have taken that opportunity right from the get go, right? And, and have done that. But now they've come back and, and given us hard cards, alumni hard cards, and invited us back to these, these racetracks. And that's important. I think it's a, it's a right move it, it's gonna, it's gonna do well for them. It, you know how hard it is to go to a racetrack. You know, you just can't get in. You can't get in. There's, there's parking's limited, but if you think about it, you're not gonna have all these drivers coming at one time. Everybody's got schedules and lives, so you're gonna occasionally have drivers. And I think it's a good thing. I think NASCAR's done the right thing and, and to pull these, these, their former talents back into the sport to, you know, help boost NASCAR up and, and its longevity and all the things.
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A
Yeah, you Know, Biff, when I go to any sport, whether it's hockey, baseball, football, they have the Alumni Club. It's just the way it is, you know, the Alumni Club and any sport, I go down here, watch my St. Louis Blues during the winter and man, there's all the greats, I really think. And, and I know what I'm gonna say is a little controversial, but I, I kind of want this totality. I don't want people to focus on just this one thing. But without Denny Hamlin right now, you know, we're kind of in trouble. He's got this actions detrimental that NASCAR should be paying him because to me, all the drivers have not added anything. I mean, you got a guy like, like William Byron who's done it all and he just can't get him to talk. Jeff Gordon will not let any of his drivers talk with you. It was the Biff. Yeah, stick with the Biff. You, you had a flare to you. So, you know, my point is this. NASCAR has been boring, capital boring. And I think this is the right move. Why would you not want. I mean, a lot of people left the sport because they can't relate to Joey Logano or so on and so forth. Hamlin stirred up just enough crap where the eyes are coming back.
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B
Yeah.
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A
So I thought it was awesome. And I do want to give NASCAR an attaboy. I wanted to give my 2 cent. I wanted to tag on the back of what you just said. Yeah. And Mike Kelton tells me that it was him. It was Mike Kelton and Jim France, their idea to bring the greats back. And like you said, how can that be bad? You know? Right. Okay.
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B
What. Let me add, Kenny, let me add one thing to that.
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A
Yeah, keep going.
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B
Think about this for a second. What if there was a sweet 20 person suite at every racetrack? How you know how much I would enjoy coming to the racetrack. And you're going to be there and Kenny Schrader is going to be there and Rick Mast is going to be there and Ricky Rudd's going to be there and I'm going to sit and get the bull with you guys for an hour. Think about that for a minute. I would go, I would go just for that experience to, to get to chat with you guys and chat it up. And it's like a, it's like a, it could be a reunion. We're in this space where it's just us and prior to that we're out on pit road. We're, we're wherever we want to be. We're at the racetrack doing all our things, but we've got a spot. We can go watch the race and be able to be able to sit and have coffee and shoot the. Right.
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A
And all other sports. Do it, Neff. Yeah.
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B
Yeah.
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A
And maybe Sunday morning they have Greg Biffle out at the Fan zone for a 15 minute Q A.
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B
Perfect.
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A
You know, and you know, you know, so. Yeah. All right. Good, Good stuff. Well, I just wanted to say that me seeing you at Darlington made me happy. You look good. You're still young. You look like you're getting that race car. Okay, now we're gonna have a little more fun. Your YouTube channel, your wife and you. Now, listen, I know you got bigger fish to fry, but I just want to give a shout out. I know it's not making you any money right now, but that's how it all starts. Biff, tell me just a little bit about the YouTube channel. You got some really good stuff on there. We just got to get it promoted.
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B
Yeah, I, I, I absolutely love it. And, you know, I still think all the things that I do in, in a day and in a week and a month. Yeah, if there was a camera crew following me around, I would have, I would have my own TV series. You know, I'm out back burning parts. I'm making paddles for the course washer at my aquarium. I just got done dyno in a car, a utv. I, I just shut it off and walked down to the house and set the computer up so I could do, do this. Yeah, I was, I was, I was Dino in a car less than 15 minutes ago in my shop. It's, it's funny that I do all of this stuff that's interesting and I enjoy building off the wall stuff and I, I love buying stuff. I've got, you know, this Facebook Marketplace obsession now where, and it was funny. I listened to Elon Musk. He says, I get up in the morning at 5:00am and I, I scroll through Facebook Marketplace. And I thought it was so funny. You got this billionaire scrolling through Marketplace. But anyway, you know, so I posted videos to see what people enjoy, see what people like. I want to start building some stuff. I watched Cletus McFarlane a little bit on some of his videos and I'm like, we are a carbon copy of each other. Literally, the stuff he does. I'm like, oh, I was thinking of that. Or I mean, like, it's crazy. So I'm going to start doing more stuff and, you know, videoing it and, and posting it. We'll see what people enjoy because I really love it and I'm going to continue to continue to do it. And you know, you're, you're having a lot of success doing it. A lot of you've got all these great guests on and, and people value your opinion.
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A
I need you. You're a hell of a story. And that's what makes it work. Both of us. Let me say this. I find you incredibly talented. Incredibly unique. You are not afraid. You and Hornaday, you and Ron Hornaday. Like when I look at you, I flew over your house in a helicopter one time and you had. I mean it was like, my God, what is that guy doing down there? You are a talent. You are a gift from God. You are not afraid of anything. So let's go. First of all, I got right here, he, he drives boats, flies a plane, a helicopter. I was just on your Facebook page. You have a, you have a dirt Track, a triple B500, which we all know about. I've been up there. Yeah, it's for fun. You, you went to South Africa for your honeymoon. You gathered up material for the hell of it and went down and helped people that were in a hurricane. Now I've just touched on all these things you do. When I say you're a chameleon early in conversation, I mean that. And now the one that I want to talk about is on your Facebook video. You got this five AIs machine. What the hell are you up to now? Well.
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B
Who knows, right?
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A
What is this?
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B
So I have a H VF3 for those that are machinists that watch. It's a, a milling machine. And then I have a lathe ST30Y axis light live tooling lathe. I bought those machines about 2012 or so when I was doing pace off road. So I love the desert. Yeah, I love off off roading. And we wanted to make our own parts. So those machines did us wonderful job over the years. But more complex parts. I wanted to make more specifically a billet cylinder head for our small engines and potentially look into building billet cylinder blocks the entire block for these little UTVs. We're making upwards of 800 horsepower in 1100cc engine. So it's a little two cylinder, 1100cc's. So to put it in comparison, that would be over 5,000 horsepower when your dirt car.
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A
Yeah, yeah.
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B
Per cubic inch.
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A
Oh wow.
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B
We're making five. Making 5, 000 horsepower in comparison to how many cubic inches your. Your small block Chevy or your engine in your dirt Car is with these little engines, so lots of boost, big turbos on methanol. But I wanted to make more parts so I bought this DMG Mori 5 Axis Machining center and I have to obviously rely on someone else to help me design and draw and program the parts. But I love controlling the manufacturing. Right. We, we could put a part in there. We make a spindle. We put a block of aluminum in there. It machines it. I can take the block the machine part out and put another block in and hit the start button. Yeah, so they call me a button pusher. So yeah, you could do the same thing. But it's fun to be able to watch the part being manufactured in front of you and you know, we could build all kinds of brackets and all kinds of, of things. So I wanted to 5 axis machining center because it expands the things you can do way beyond and we are doing a little bit of, you know, SpaceX Department of Defense. And.
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A
Is that a company, do you, is that, do you own a company too?
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B
I do it through pace off road and we subcontract it through some, some bigger companies that have the contract. So yeah, we'll do, we'll manufacture for them. We'll do some manufacturing for them. So it's a, it's a small part. I enjoy it. I. Kenny, the thing I try and do in life, if with everything I do, I look for a way to make it cost neutral and people look at me funny when I say I don't need to make any money, meaning I, I don't, you know, I'm not doing all these hobbies necessarily. You know, I don't want to lose money.
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A
You're living life.
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B
If I can live my life, I can build a billet cylinder head for our racing engine and do all these things I can do and, and I don't have to shell out all this money. If I could do something else that, that will make enough money to pay for the machine and the tooling and the, and whatever, then I'm happy.
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A
Yeah.
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B
You know, because I don't, I need it. I'm getting what I want. I'm getting that, that billet cylinder head. I'm getting those billet parts. But if I had to sit here and pay all those costs, it gets very expensive. So if I can do something to offset the cost just enough to offset that cost, then I can continue to enjoy my platform and do all the things that I want to do. Like you race your dirt car. If you can get enough sponsorship to continue to do that.
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A
You're happy right there, Cheggs. They paid for it all.
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B
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Something I want to talk to you about and it just seems like I've never had the guest to talk about it. Sometimes I would go to Yuma, Arizona, I would in January and as I'm landing commercially I see out in the distance and I know there's a wealthy man out there that owns all the, you know where I'm going already. But let me, let me set it up for everybody. There's a real wealthy guy out there. I don't know what he does for a living. He invites brother Rusty. You know Evernham, Jeff Gordon. His objective is to find all the greats and you guys go out there and you run the hell out of these dune buggies. You drink wine, you, you, you know, have a good time. You're the only one I've been able to talk about. My brother Rusty tells me everything about it. But I, I want to hear your version because that is what you do. That, that is Greg B's domain. These big three foot shocks and these dune buggies. Tell me a little bit about that. This guy and who he is and what's going on out there.
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B
So I love off road. That's my fill or you know, when, when you go dirt racing. I'm going to the desert. I have as much fun in the desert as you do at the dirt track on Friday night. And, and I absolutely love it. It's, it's, it's the closest thing to driving a car around the racetrack that, that, that I enjoy. So I have a place on the other end of the desert from the guy you're talking about. And Ron, Ron bought that property some time ago. He had a big construction company that built homes and he sold it right before the 2008, 2009 downturn.
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A
Good job.
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B
So he sold it just at the right time and, and you know, sold it for, you know, great deal of money. And he's a very wise investor and does a lot of great things for the community and charities and bought a lot of tremendous amount of cars at Barrett Jackson and had a huge car collection. Has kind of tapered that down. But Ron is a great guy. He's a pilot and he has this beautiful place out there and he enjoys having all of his friends come and, and, and do all these things. And it, you. I don't even know how to explain it.
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A
Yeah, yeah. It's like Wally World.
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B
It's what every guy wants. You want to have, you Want to have 20 Honda Odysseys in your garage? Your 17 car garage with an epoxied floor and there's not a speck of dirt on any of them. And a 2 mile jersey barrier racetrack in the backyard with sod and sprinkled so it doesn't put out dust in.
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A
The middle of the desert.
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B
Areas are sod beside the dirt track. And you go around these Honda odysseys on this 2 mile oval or course in the backyard. And then you park those and you get in the UTV, the single seat Polaris RS1S. And he has a six mile track course in the desert, which is on his property.
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A
Wow.
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B
All on his property. And then you go get in the sand cars. He has about 17 of them, you know, biggers. Now we're talking big car V8. You go get in that and you go out in the sand dunes.
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A
Wow.
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B
So we do all three of those activities and then we'll, we'll play poker at night, have some drinks, tell stories around the fire. But you know, John Elway's there. Wow. Rusty dawn the Snake Perdome.
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A
I love.
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B
My favorite thing I've done over the years is I got to meet Don.
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A
Perdom legend, my hero. My hero.
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B
My dad loved Don Perdom. I'd give anything for my Father. To be able to. Have been able to meet Don Perdom, but what a great guy. And to sit around a campfire and listen to these stories and then go out and, you know, go drive through the sand dunes with them and have lunch and all this. It's just. Kenny, it's what dreams are made of. You got to come out one time and, and enjoy it with us.
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A
I, I'm smiling from ear to ear because, you know, just acknowledging this as people listen. There is, you know, that wealth out there where people have made all this money and they, they can either sit in their house and be miserable, but they do good things. And, and every once in a while I hear these and that. Ron, man, he. He's a. Obviously, I hear just such good things. And thank you for shedding a little bit of light on that. I hear about that a lot and. Yeah. So really cool. Well, listen, we've come to the end here, and we gotta ask you what we ask every driver that is raced in nascar. Now, Kenny conversation has a lot of different people, but in the end, they all usually have something to do with nascar. And I asked them all the same thing, and it's pretty simple. But what are your thoughts on NASCAR today?
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B
You know, my thoughts on NASCAR today are they continue to try and, let's face it, the sport is to entertain the fans and put on a good competitive race, that the team's a platform. The teams can build cars and go out and compete. And you'll always struggle with. I, I think you'll always struggle with what is the best platform and what puts on the best racing. We've done it forever. Right back when Bill France Senior, you know, took, you know, took away stuff from one manufacturer, allowed another manufacturer. We've tried more downforce, less downforce. But I will say this. It's all pulling the rope in the same direction for these teams to go out and put on great races. I don't agree with everything that NASCAR does as an organization, but as far as downforce or maybe how they. They, you know, the cars that they build, this is the cot car. We're going to have a splitter. We're going to have a this or that. We have high downforce, low downforce. You know, I've got different perspective. You have a different perspective, and the fans have a different perspective. But the thing, the reality is somebody's got to make that decision and live or die by it.
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A
Yeah.
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B
And I respect that. I respect that. They've made a decision. They gotta, they gotta live or die. And. And, you know, I think the car is now trying to show some of its fruits of the labor for. For what all the teams have done. I think it's helped reduce cost. I think they found out the car was too stiff and. And they've had to make a lot of changes. But you're still going to battle the arrow tight behind cars. How are we going to pass? Are we going too fast? Are we going too slow? You're always going to battle those things. And I enjoy watching the races. It's. It's a lot of fun. Me, I like the lower downforce, the stickier tire. Yeah. Because the car doesn't skate out from under you in just a millisecond. And guess what? When the caution comes out, you got to pit and put tires on it.
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A
Yeah.
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B
I mean, it's part of it. So I'm from that camp. More power. So you gotta. You know, you can't just stick the throttle all the time. You gotta. You gotta work that throttle that. You know, I've always said my. My theory is you can only catch the car in front of you when he lets off the gas.
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A
Yeah. Right.
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B
Right.
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A
Yeah.
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B
What, do you want to nudge him in the bumper or move him up the track? You can't do that until he lets off the gas. So if you make these cars where they're. Where they let off the gas and they're right back on, Never gives you an opportunity to race with that guy when he lets off the gas and has to use a little bit of brake. That's where I think good racing comes from, is those opportunities, and you can't just floor it. Remember the old days where you had to give it a little bit of gas, a little more. You do it now. Dirt racing.
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A
Yeah. Oh, yeah. Schrader says there's a thousand spots in that gas pedal. That's right, boys. He right.
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B
Yes, he is. So, you know, we have a difference of opinion on what makes great racing, but at the end of the day, you know, they've. They've created a great platform, and, you know, I think that the fans still enjoy it, and it's great advertising, and they're still super loyal people. And it's going to continue to go on, and it'll be better and it'll be worse, and it'll be better and it'll be worse, and. And that's just. That's just part of it. I enjoy it. I enjoy going to the racetrack. I wish I could still compete. You know, I think we both do that.
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A
Yeah.
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B
We wish we could jump in those.
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A
Cars and kick their butt. What's wrong? Get out of that car. Let me teach you how to drive it, boy.
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B
Let me have it. Let me. Let me show you how to do it.
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A
That's right. We're the greatest. All right, well, listen, Greg Biffle, man, you've done it all. You really have. And I really enjoy living vicariously through you. Everybody go to his Facebook channel. That'll direct you right to.
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B
I'm a YouTube star.
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A
Yeah.
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B
I got two thou. I got 1, 000 subscribers. I'm a YouTube star now.
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A
Hey, but you know what? You know what? Everybody teases me. They always want to equate everything to money, like you said earlier. But it's fun to share. That's one thing I like about Facebook and YouTube is you're sharing experience. Hey, watch this. Come here.
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B
Yeah.
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A
You call your.
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B
Hold my beer. Watch this.
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A
You ain't gonna believe this, you know, and your. Your videos are awesome. And listen, everybody. We are in podcast form. You can listen to the great Greg Biffle from home to work. This is an hour long, so you can listen to him on your way to work. And when you go back home maybe a couple times, we are on itunes and Spotify. And until next time, Greg Biffle. Thank you so much, my friend.
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B
Thank you, Kenny. I appreciate it. And when I get big and famous like you, I'm gonna have you on my. My YouTube channel.
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A
Yeah. Please invite me. All right, goodbye, everybody.
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B
All right. See ya.
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A
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