Heim Time in San Diego

Summary

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Herm & Schrader: "Heim Time in San Diego"

Episode Date: June 24, 2026
Hosts: Kenny Schrader (Schrader), Alan Deeks (Deeks), Rick Mast (Mast)

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Episode Overview

This episode, titled "Heim Time in San Diego," centers on the epic NASCAR weekend at Naval Base Coronado, a groundbreaking race at an active military facility. The hosts break down the event’s unique setting, the on-track action, and the historic first Cup win for Corey Heim. The conversational tone is loaded with racing wisdom, humor, honest takes, and plenty of storytelling from three of racing’s most candid voices. Other racing news and some powerful reflections on the sport’s past and future round out the show.

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Main Discussion Points

1. NASCAR at Naval Base Coronado: A New Frontier (05:00–14:00)

• Initial Impressions & Patriotism:
  The group is united in their praise of NASCAR’s bold move to stage a race on an active Navy base, with a theme of patriotism permeating the entire event.

  • Schrader: “I just think…NASCAR right now…they can go into about any damn place and put on a show.” (05:37)
  • Deeks comments on the massive turnout and infectious enthusiasm throughout the base: “The patriotism that went on around this event…was through the roof.” (06:15)

• Fan Experience & Local Impact:
  Mast shares third-party feedback, including an Uber driver’s surprise at the race’s local prominence ("everyone in San Diego knew about NASCAR being in town"), and broad consensus that NASCAR nailed the event. (09:42)

• Host Anecdotes:
  Deeks tells a story of a family friend, a Navy helicopter pilot stationed at Coronado, highlighting how the race energized service members and families who wouldn’t normally be NASCAR fans. (11:05)

• NASCAR’s Future with Street/Military Races:
  All agree this success opens the door for more street races or military base events nationwide. Mast speculates: "Why don't we have one street race at a military base somewhere around the country?" (13:07)

2. The Race and the Rise of Corey Heim (14:42–21:49)

• Track Layout Praise & Challenges:
  Dale Earnhardt Jr.’s insight is cited, noting the track felt like “two different designs”—one part flowing and road course-y, one part tight and technical. (14:42)

• Corey Heim’s Win & ‘Generational Talent’:

  • Discussion of Heim’s background, his adaptation to new venues, and whether he’s a new generational star.
  • Schrader: “Wins a cup race in his 13th start with a part time team…He’s definitely going to be a great addition to the sport.” (15:55)
  • Deeks adds perspective about overusing the 'generational talent' label but says, “He has shown all the ingred to be a generational talent.” (17:56)

• Mast on Earning a Path in Cup:
  “Corey Haim is one of these guys that…has not bought his way there. And it shows.” (17:13)

3. Young Drivers, Expectations, and the Modern Ladder (21:49–28:37)

• Development & Patience:
  Schrader fields a question from a young crew chief about why Heim isn’t full-time yet, explaining “he was in line and he knew where he fell in line.” (20:51)

• Conor Zilich’s Struggles:
  The crew discusses the tough entry for young drivers and how a slow start (and less than top-tier equipment) can impact confidence and careers.

  • Deeks: “Sometimes you have to give these guys a little bit of a break. You’re not in a Gibbs deal today.” (24:08)

• Old School vs. Today’s Tolerance:
  More pressure today for quick results, less patience for development than in the past.

4. On-Track Etiquette & Teamwork: The Reddick-Heim Battle (28:37–31:26)

• Sportsmanship Highlight:
  • Mast highlights Tyler Reddick’s unusual move: after bumping Heim in a late race battle, Reddick lifted, allowing Heim to recover and continue racing. (28:37)
  • Schrader’s verdict: “That made me really, really, really more proud of Tyler than already am…That was team player. That was team player.” (30:34)

5. The State of Racing Below the Cup: Truck and O’Reilly Series (31:31–39:22)

• Rough Driving & Young Guns:
  Mast and Schrader discuss Jimmy Johnson’s shock at the truck series’ bumper cars mentality.

  • Schrader: “Everybody’s struggling for their life…just driving harder and out of control to try to make something good happen and nothing good happens.” (33:08)

• Old-School Responsibility:
  Deeks points out: “Back in our day, you could wreck somebody…but you're the one who had to fix it all week…We don't have that these days.” (33:49)

6. Austin Hill’s Win and RCR’s Moment (39:22–43:11)

• Significance for Richard Childress Racing:
  Both Schrader and Deeks reflect on what Hill’s O’Reilly win (and strong Cup run) meant for an RCR still coping with adversity, notably referencing the emotional toll of losing drivers.

  • Deeks: “For Richard…to be going through this again, you know, with somebody with a generational talent…it's a tough deal, but, you know, to win the race, I mean, it was great.” (39:22)

• Austin Hill’s Cup Prospects:
  Mast and Schrader weigh Hill’s readiness for Cup, citing strong runs and open seats. But as always, sponsorship plays a crucial role.

7. The Challenge of Race Infrastructure & “Stuff Happens” (43:11–47:35)

• Manhole Covers & Track Repairs:
  The group recalls infamous race delays due to oddball issues (including a sewer leak at Charlotte!), the subjectivity in NASCAR’s handling of repairs under red flag, and how policies change with leadership.

  • Schrader: “Just different, different time, different people in charge.” (46:48)

8. Truck Series Hard Racing & Upward Mobility (47:35–56:26)

• Racing Aggressively, Not Wrecking:
  Deeks gives credit: “These guys…are figuring out how to race hard and rub fenders without wrecking each other.” (48:15)

  • Mast and Schrader swap stories of the Indy debut, massive fields, and rewards of perseverance.

• Front Row Motorsports & Lane Riggs:
  Praising the steady rise and smart personnel at Front Row, especially Lane Riggs’ timely progression, and comparing him to other family racing dynasties (56:26).

9. Technical Asides: Roll Centers and Suspension Humor (58:02–59:08)

• The gang jokes about technical jargon (“roll centers”) and how, in the old days, some terms were more mythical than practical.

10. Dirt Track Updates (59:08–61:02)

• Schrader recaps recent dirt winners and purses, underscoring the continued excitement and financial rewards of that scene.

11. Wrap-Up: Stories, Jokes & Legacy (61:02–end)

• Dad Jokes & Banter:
  Classic Herm & Schrader humor shines as Rick Mast tries out some one-liners, followed by Schrader’s “Mount Rushmore” rock group joke. (61:41)

• Historic Reflections:
  Nostalgic stories about Sonoma and Atlanta incidents, honesty in storytelling, and Dale Jr’s learning moments as a rookie.

• Tribute to Journalist Steve Wade (67:00–70:44):
  The hosts recognize the late Steve Wade and the golden era of trustworthy, positive motorsports journalism.

  • Schrader: “They were, when you talk to them guys…partners…all in this just to do good and make stuff better." (67:53)

• “The Sport First” Ethos:
  Memory lane about Junior Johnson, sponsor chess, and the philosophy of putting NASCAR’s interests ahead of personal gain.

  • Mast: “It was about putting the sport first, not about putting your team first, not about putting your driver first…” (73:12)

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On Patriotism & the Military Venue:
  Deeks: “The enthusiasm with the patriotism, man…everything that’s around the new event…was through the roof.” (06:15)

• On NASCAR’s Versatility:
  Schrader: “They can go into about any damn place and put on a show.” (05:37)

• On Corey Heim’s Win:
  Schrader: “Wins cup race in his 13th start with a part time team…He’s definitely going to be a great addition to the sport.” (15:55)

• On the Generational Talent Debate:
  Deeks: “You’ll…notice with these type guys…There’s a maturity level there that you notice with these type guys” (17:56)

• On Reddick’s Sportsmanship:
  Schrader: “That made me really, really, really more proud of Tyler than I already am…That was team player.” (30:34)

• On Changes in Racecraft:
  Deeks: “Back in our day…if you wreck a car, you’ve got to work on it this week. I think that has a lot to do with it.” (33:49)

• On Putting Sport Before Self:
  Mast: “It was about putting the sport first, not about putting your team first, not about putting your driver first, not about putting your newspaper first…” (73:12)

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Key Episode Segments & Timestamps

• [05:00] – Impressions of the Coronado event
• [11:05] – Navy pilot/fan conversion story
• [14:42] – Track design and race breakdown
• [15:55] – Corey Heim’s win discussion
• [24:08] – Perspective on Conor Zilich and rookie pressures
• [28:37] – Reddick’s “give back” racing move
• [31:31] – Running the gauntlet in O’Reilly/Truck races
• [39:22] – Austin Hill lifts RCR with a win
• [43:11] – Manhole covers, track delays, NASCAR policies
• [48:15] – Truck series: Hard but fair racing
• [56:26] – The rise of Lane Riggs and Front Row
• [67:00] – Steve Wade tribute and journalism’s evolution
• [73:12] – “Sport First” era stories and their impact

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Final Thoughts

“Heim Time in San Diego” encapsulates the best of Herm & Schrader: unfiltered, expert banter swirling around an extraordinary NASCAR event, mixed with reverence for the sport’s past and candid, sometimes hilarious, racing wisdom. The show is required listening (or reading!) for anyone invested in the culture, history, and future of American motorsports.

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Transcript

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[Kenny Schrader]

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[Rick Mast]

I'm looking at Kenny Schrader right now.

[Kenny Schrader]

Is a drinker in the show. I mean, yeah, you.

[Rick Mast]

How in the world did we agree

[Kenny Schrader]

to do a podcast? I like spending time with you.

[Rick Mast]

That makes me happy.

[Kenny Schrader]

Well, it's all about making you happy. We're always honest. We don't know that we're not in trouble. And sometimes truthful. What makes you think you're not a little different?

[Alan Deeks]

You're weird, too.

[Rick Mast]

Herman Schrader.

[Kenny Schrader]

We have Alan Deeks, Rick Mast and myself. We're not from the middle of America. We're from Virginia, North Carolina, and I'm in Missouri. So welcome to the Herman Schrader Show. Did I sound like Herman?

[Alan Deeks]

Your hair is different from Herman's.

[Kenny Schrader]

You know, I need it.

[Alan Deeks]

You heard. Is real particular about his hair.

[Kenny Schrader]

I need a haircut. His hair. So he should. If you spent that much money on each one of them, you would be too.

[Alan Deeks]

I know, I know. No, I know. He's particular about that. He. He always. That hair loss always bugged him and never bugged me because nothing I could do about it. But I did buy a rug one time and tried that. Everybody showed up at Daytona with it and everybody laughed at me, so I took it off. He had to use this glue and all this crazy stuff. It wasn't. It really wasn't for me.

[Kenny Schrader]

Remember when Jimmy showed up?

[Alan Deeks]

He was trying to market myself.

[Kenny Schrader]

Remember when Jimmy showed up with his. All of a sudden, Spencer.

[Alan Deeks]

Oh, I do. I do. I do. Oh, yeah, he was. And he still wearing it today. Bad. He didn't even have to do it for show. For marketing purposes to being a race car driver. But he. He still. He still wears that. Dude, he looks good with it. I have to admit, Pat always liked it. His pretty wife. I never understood that. You know, she's such a nice, pretty girl and married to Jimmy. Do you ever think about that one?

[Kenny Schrader]

A lot of that talk was always in the garage area about you. Same thing, Rick.

[Alan Deeks]

I know that. I mean, you know, the pickings were kind of slim here in Rockbridge county in the 70s. So. Johnny Hayes used to tell Sharon what all the people sharing that all the guys that were around in your. When you were a teenager. How in the. Why in the world did you pick him? She says, well, I wouldn't. I wouldn't have. What did she say? A beauty queen myself or something like that. I don't know what it was. I thought she was.

[Kenny Schrader]

Deets, you better take over.

[Rick Mast]

Okay.

[Alan Deeks]

Yes.

[Rick Mast]

Yeah, I was thinking about stuff I could say too, and it's probably best that I don't because my wife could hear me. But anyway, first off, happy Father's Day to y'. All. This is one of the things I got from. From my boys yesterday. And I told my wife, we went to the lake and And I said, when we get home, all I want to do is lay down and watch the race. And she said, well, I think we can accommodate that for this one day. And I'm like, all right, so that, that's what we did, and that's what we'll start with. Naval Base Coronado. Before we really get into the race. What. What did you guys. What did you guys think of the weekend overall? The track, the. The presentation, the whole bit.

[Kenny Schrader]

I got to see most of yesterday's race. I was impressed. I. I just think it's just like the Chicago street race. I think NASCAR right now, the group as a whole, they can go into about any damn place and put on a show. You know, we saw it at the Coliseum. Now, they still calcium. They still got so much room to work with. You know, the same thing with Bowman Gray. But to go that naval base, I, I thought it was a fantastic weekend.

[Alan Deeks]

Yeah, I agree with Kenny. I, you know, the, the, the theme, number one. The theme. Well, they back up. They. They led up to this race. A lot of, Lot of publicity over this thing leading up to this event, and they pulled it off. I mean, the theme was 250America, right? And the patriotism that went on around this event. Being at that naval base with all the sailors and all the military people and the enthusiasm that the group, it seemed like everybody in infield, they said, what does Kennedy say? They had 125, 150,000 through the weekend or whatever it was, people and just this enthusiasm with the patriotism, man. You know, the thing. Not the event itself, but everything that's around the new event, not the race, but that part was, I think, was through the roof. The race itself, it was another good, typical NASCAR race on a place that they'd never raced it before. And, you know, I thought the one thing that, that struck me, the winner of the race, Corey Haim, he said that, you know, it was more equal for him. I mean, he's a rookie trying to learn these places, and he showed up at a track that he had as much experience as everybody else did, and he felt like that was an advantage for him. And, you know, I think it was. So I think it was a home run. I really do. I mean, to Kenny's point, I think they can go anywhere they want to go and give it a shot. Kudos to NASCAR for trying it. You always have the naysayers. Well, the, the, the, the, the. The hole in the street happened, right? All that stuff happened. The truck race, finished a rally parts race, took all this time to run red flags and all that. But the event, the. Vince were great. They were just. They were just good.

[Rick Mast]

I know we. Well, I'll. I'll come back to you, Schrader, because we were talking about it before we. We went on. I know Ben Kennedy afterwards, you know, to start with, it was all one and done and this and that. And. And yesterday, I think after the success, he was saying, well, you know, we might have to rethink that. And. And I know you made some contacts after the race with nascar. What did they have to say?

[Kenny Schrader]

Well, I did. I. I'm a huge. Well, I'm a NASCAR fan, but I just really like Mike Hilton. You know, he was like a partner. He was. He was never. He was never one of the guys that was against you. You know, he was our buddy. We were all in this together. And I text him after the race and just, congratulations, man. It sure looked good from here. And he text right back. He said, man, it. We were very happy with the way it went. You know, is. You always got little growing pains, but they were happy with the way it went. So I don't know what you wouldn't be happy with. Now we're gonna find out what's the. What. What is the survey? Who does it? Bob Pocras.

[Rick Mast]

Oh, yep. Oh, look. You guys talk amongst yourself.

[Kenny Schrader]

I think that's really interesting. What. When they come up with that survey, because I was surprised like last week at Dover, I think it was. They said 63% or something when we did our show. And wow, if you get 63% or at Pocono, you get 63% at Pocono. You gotta be doing something right. Because I always thought that was like watching paint dry.

[Rick Mast]

Well, let's let me just go through a couple of things that Jeff Gluck has here. He. He said Uber driver this morning. This was. I assume this was yesterday, but anyway, says Uber driver this morning said everyone in San Diego knew about NASCAR being in town and it was all over the local news. First race in San Diego. First NASCAR race on an active military base. But he added he hadn't heard anything about it until about 10 to 14 days ago and was surprised to learn it was announced last summer. A couple of said he found it funny the race was on Coronado because no one who lives on Coronado has a mullet in San Diego is not a big NASCAR town, but theorized NASCAR must be trying to get a bigger group of fans like F1. As far as the survey goes, these number you Know we've been talking about it seemed like the numbers were a little bit off on the number of people responding on look survey this a little bit different. This is 6500. So this is, this is a little bit more in line. Was Naval Base Coronado a good race? 85% said yes, 80% see, we're right.

[Alan Deeks]

Hey, let me tell you guys tell you a quick little story. My, my daughters all through middle school and high school went to, went, went through school with this girl and they played sports together. Her granddaddy, Jessica's her name. Her granddaddy was Bobby Ross. He was a the famous football coach, you know, ended up at Georgia Tech and Maryland. I think he ended up San Diego, my Chargers. But anyhow, he did.

[Rick Mast]

He did, yes.

[Alan Deeks]

Sweet little girl. We went all through school with this little girl and kind of knew that family and she's a pretty little girl, you know, kind of a little bit shy or whatnot. She left when she, when she graduated. She went to the Naval Academy. She graduated from that. She ended up, she now flies, just started flying these helicopters to go hunt these. Well, I'm not sure what the helicopters do, maybe I shouldn't say but you know, high tech helicopters, right. Military. And she was deployed when the stuff broke out overseas. And mind you now as the girls just to me she's still a little tiny girl, right? A little girl playing ball with my girls. And anyhow, she. Was she stationed at Coronado or was it Coronado? Coronado, yeah. She stationed there? Yeah. And she was all excited about going. Yeah. All right, well she was all excited about going to the race. Well, when she got deployed she's like, well I can't do that. Well, lo and behold, she got home two days ago before, two days before the race. Right. So she was able to attend the race and living on the base. And I talked with her last night or texted with her. How did you have fun with all her peeps out there? She said, man, this was the funnest thing I believe I've ever seen in my life. She's. I've never had this much fun watching something like this. Right. And she had, you know, through the years, I mean her daddy was a famous football coach and her best friend's daddy was a retired race car driver. So. But she never, you know, I don't think was ever into racing at all. But man, she went to the thing at the base and was just like in way she talked, like everybody there felt the same way. All the servicemen and women. So this a Side note, I thought that was pretty cool story.

[Rick Mast]

And I'll tell you it, this could be a deal. You know, it's. It's like you said, you can you go anywhere you want to in the country now and they, they can have a race. Cause they've shown that they can do that now. So you could go out into the Pacific Northwest or, or New York City or whatever. You know, the Indy car race is going to be in D.C. this may be something NASCAR wants to look at and say, hey, every year why don't we. We have one street race at a military base somewhere around the country. You could do it now. And I think it's great for the sailors or the troops or airmen or whoever's there.

[Kenny Schrader]

Yeah, you know, we, we had the big race or big wreck Saturday, track blocked and they kept piling in and stuff. Well, one of the damnedest wrecks we ever had was on a railroad course was Watkins Glen. Remember when they all wrecked up top of the S's there that one year? I mean they just kept piling there been a couple big ones there. It's just, you know, road courses are. Unless they out in the middle of nowhere with plenty of grass runoff everywhere, which we don't have one like that. But even the real road courses have that at times. I remember us all wrecking even a couple of times at tall Dagan stuff or seemed like everybody run into everybody. They're going to run into everybody no matter where they're at. But yeah, yeah.

[Rick Mast]

What about the. So the actual rate first off to on the course? You know, Dale Jr. Said yesterday, and I think that was a good point, he said it was almost like the track was designed by two different designers because one side was more flowing and sweeping, more like Watkins Glenn, and then the other side was more like Sonoma or Chicago where it was. It was tighter and 90 degree turns and all of that thing or all of that, but Corey Haim winning the race. I watched Corey race Late Models, you know, whenever he started out, about 15 years old. And I thought he was a good late model driver. You know, he went out and he won races and stuff like that. I watched Dale Jr. Drive late models and I thought Corey was a much better Late Model driver than Dale Jr. Was. And then, you know, Dale Jr. Went on and did all the stuff that he did. Nascar. But you keep hearing generational talent with Corey Haim and sometimes things get overused and overexposed and maybe exaggerated. What do you guys think in this case with Corey?

[Kenny Schrader]

He won. He won 12 of the 25 truck races last year and a couple other ones, they were in position and didn't, you know, had problems. He pretty damn good. I don't know. Wins cup race in his 13th start with a part time team. That car is still part time, right? It doesn't run every week. Ah, you know, you got, there's got to be a lot to it. You know, he's, he's definitely. I listened to his interview afterwards. He was surprised and not surprised. He said he knew that, you know, they kind of had that one earmarked as their best shot of the year because of no one having been there. He's definitely, he's definitely going to be a great addition to the sport. Or like they said, Ryan Blaney said that, or a couple of them said this, this kid's going to be a problem future years.

[Rick Mast]

Here's the thing I like about Corey Haim, because I, I've said it over the years that, that the days of a guy driving late models, you know, the last, the last one to do it that didn't have a last name was, was Denny Hamlin. Now, mind you, Ryan Blaney and Chase Elliot drove late models and, and got opportunities and stuff, and they deserved it. I'm not taking anything away from them. But Corey Haim is one of these guys that, that, like I said, he drove legends cars. He drove super late models and pro late models, then late model stocks and, and he has not bought his way there. And it shows, at least to me. It does.

[Alan Deeks]

Yeah. You know, they talk about generation, generational talent with Corey and I. I've heard that term thrown around over the years with different guys and they'll get their shot at Cup. And guess what? The, After a period of time you learn, well, he's not really a generational talent. He's, he's like a talent like 90% of the guys in cup right now. Right? Because you get the cup, man, it separates, it really separates the good from the great to the, from the greatest. And Corey, by winning the 13th race out, okay, you know, it proves he's got what it takes on a, like on a road course and that. And by the way, that course, I think that course showed everything that, that this new car kind of adapts to. I mean, you're running over railroad tracks, run over manholes. You got new concrete, old can concrete, you got pavement, old pavement, new pavement, and that that car was suited for that type of environment, by the way, as a side note. But for him to do what he did is Pretty remarkable. Now, the generational talent thing, we'll know more about that next year in the years coming up. But he has, he has shown all the ingred to be a generational talent. And when the kid gets out of the car and they did the interview with him, like, man, he's been in this sport for 15 years working this stuff. I'm like, golly, he said the right things and acted right and did right. But you know, the guys, like you said, the guys that, that came through and earned it, not really with tons and tons of backing behind them, money behind them, or they just had to do it to make it happen. You know, you'll. There's a, there's a maturity level there that you notice with these type guys, right? And Corey shows that too. So, man, on the track, off the track, dude's got it all going for him right now. And it's, it's going to be fun watching this next few years. It's going to be fun when Rick

[Kenny Schrader]

and I, we can speak about generational talent because we know about that because it skipped ours.

[Alan Deeks]

Well, we had to all be there straighter putting on a show. But we did the best we could do. We did the best we could do.

[Kenny Schrader]

The cast of.

[Rick Mast]

Let me, let me, let me tell you about, about generational talent. Now we're coming off of Father's Day. So my oldest son, Clinton is. He can build stuff like his grandpa's and his great grandpa's. He can plant stuff and it grows like weeds, except it's actually the stuff that's supposed to grow. My youngest son, he's 12 years old, he can play. He can play. He could play basketball better at five years old than I could on my best day when I was 16. So what I'm saying is, is that thing about skipping a generation, it skipped it all the way around as far as I go, unfortunately. But luckily for them, it worked out. So anyway.

[Alan Deeks]

Well, that's good.

[Rick Mast]

Yeah, there's.

[Kenny Schrader]

We've never had a shortage of good, good talent in the pipeline. We got a young man that's our crew chief here now at my dirt car. I mean young. You just turned 21. And we're talking the other day and he said, why would Corey, why isn't he running a full time cup car now? Why, why is he waiting till 27 or why doesn't he have a full time O'Reilly's ride or something like that? I said, because he, he had his foot in the door at the right place and he was in line and he knew where he fell in line. So you. When you're at that right place, at that age, not being full time for another year doesn't make any difference.

[Alan Deeks]

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[Rick Mast]

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[Alan Deeks]

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[Rick Mast]

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[Alan Deeks]

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[Rick Mast]

Connor Zelich dominates in what Snyder O'Reilly series last year and comes in this year with a ton of expectations. And you know, it's just like you said, Rick, people don't realize when, when you go from trucks to O'Reilly is one thing, but when you go from, from nose up to cup, it is a different situation. So I think Connor is a very talented race car driver. What happened him yesterday absolutely was, was not his fault. Schrader, you were, were teammates with Jeff Gordon when he went and probably half the races he ran in 1993, he tore cars up and wrecked and, and all of this kind of stuff. So how do you, how do you prevent or how do you help a driver that has probably got in his head right now in the sense that nothing can go right. I don't know what I'm doing out here. I'm wrecking every week. How do you prevent that from, from, or is there a way to prevent that from. From derailing a career?

[Alan Deeks]

I'll tell you a quick story. In 92 or whatever, the, the last race of 92, I think it was Richard's last race, Jeff Gordon's first race. Drive Introduction or that morning before the race, I'm walking through the garage, there stands Jeff Gordon and he's standing there by himself in the middle of all these hordes of people and nobody knows who he is, right? And I walk up Talking. I said, hey man, doing okay? And he started, he started relating about he wasn't, he was like, he wasn't quite sure that he belonged there. He wasn't quite sure that he knew exactly what he was doing. And he was expressing some doubt to me about, you know, doing all this, right? And I said, zef, man, listen, I've watched you on Saturday or Thursday night Thunder. You've got talent, right? I said, you're gonna tear up a lot of cars this year. I said, but don't worry about that, you know, just keep tearing them up till you get it figured out. I said, that's what's going to happen to you. And I says, you're with one of the best teams here in the sport is Hendrik. I says, you're gonna be good. It's. Don't, don't, don't fret. All this stuff, dude. Just put that out of your mind. Just go out there, I said, you out there and race and have fun today. Don't worry about it. Do it all next year. And I think Abraham told me that first year they put on 15 clips or front snouts on cars he'd wreck, you know, and of course the rest of its history, you know, with Conor, you know, the, the thing, here's the thing bothers me guys sometimes with these dudes. Like with Conor, you know, you, the, the, these cars right now, the, the, the, the, the adjustments are so finite and, and just a little small adjustment takes you from a lead car to a two lap down race car, right? And with the teams you're with, I mean not everybody, not everybody gets to go to a Gibbs team right now. So you have to, you have to weigh like with Connors deal, you got to weigh what he's driving, all right? And put that against what his experience is and what his expectations are. And sometimes you have to give these guys a little bit of a break. You're not into, you're not in a Gibbs Gibbs deal today, right? So, you know, I think the dude will do very well. It's just a matter of, you know, and that does bother me a lot of times with guys, they come into the sport, they don't really get with the right team or the team is really stout and they not really showcase their talents. And it's going, it seems like it's shorter live these days. You got to get it done pretty quick or you get kicked out. You know, at least in our day you had a couple of years to show your worth, right? So that's just My take on that guy.

[Kenny Schrader]

Yeah, it's, it's. Connor Zulich is. He's as good a race car driver as he was last year, you know.

[Alan Deeks]

Right.

[Kenny Schrader]

He has, He's. He'll be fine. Right. We were at Hendrick party maybe for 200 wins, and everyone that had driven for him was basically there and he had to stand up and say something. So it was like talking about Jimmy. You know, I asked Jeff, we're all on stage. Garrett said, jeff, what do you think? Because he had, you know, brought Jimmy in. What do you think about Jimmy? And all those wins and, you know, all those championship. I mean, you won three, but he had like probably won six at the time or five. But he's won this many and he's won this many races and all this. Ready? And you could. I had Jeff squirming just a little bit, you know, rubbing it in and he said, yeah, yeah. Well, you know, it's pretty neat to see us. Yeah. Now you know how in the hell we felt when you showed up. I guess you had to be there, Rick.

[Alan Deeks]

Yeah, no, I get it. I never, I never was there. No, it was. Yeah, I get it.

[Rick Mast]

I get it, Rick.

[Kenny Schrader]

I mean, there's, there's a lot of talent out there.

[Rick Mast]

Let me ask you about that battle for lead between Corey Hyman and Tyler Reddick. I mean, you guys have race cars, you know, pretty much all your life and watched it and being a part of it. Have you ever seen anybody do what Tyler Reddick did after they got together and basically just conceded? Listen, you should have wrecked whenever I hit you there, and luckily you didn't. So I'm going to let you get back out there. And what do you think about that? Because is courteous as Mark Martin and a lot of guys have been that I've seen in races that would move over and let somebody go. There was 200 layups left to go when Mark Martin moved over. He wasn't moving over when there was five laps to go.

[Alan Deeks]

Well, I'll tell you, man, it did bring back it sparks some long ago memories that I remember and I don't remember specifics, but I remember seeing that a time or two. Right. And I don't remember if it was in cup racing or what. I watch it on tv, but I've seen guys over the years do that every now. But I'm going to tell you, that was a different era. Go. I haven't seen a move. I haven't seen that in today's era with anybody. Right. And it kind of took me back to, I think it was a race at Bristol maybe when a few years ago, Redick was leading. I think he was with Childress. He was leading, and somebody caught him and tapped him, got him messed up and went on and won the race. And I forget who it was, but anyhow, when Reddick got out, instead of being mad at the guy for hitting him, he was mad at himself for letting that guy get close enough to him to get hit, right? And I'm like, damn, that's a different, that's a different mindset. You know, I mean, he's mad at himself for not reading, ready to run fast enough for the guy to not hit him, right? So the deal that he pulled with letting up and letting the guy go after he hit him, you know, it kind of, that's that same mindset. And it's a, you know, I love Tyler Reddick to death, right? And that's, it's a, he's got a little different mindset with that. So, you know, you know, maybe more of that would, would alleviate some of our issues, but, man, that's hard. That's hard. That's hard to do. Schrader, do you ever let up like that? Well, you never hit anybody, though, so you never, you never rested.

[Kenny Schrader]

I hit you that one time, but I don't remember it. I don't know why you lost control. I, I as, as Trickle told us, sir, I bumped you. Now, you had the choice whether to save it or direct, and you decided to wreck.

[Alan Deeks]

But, and that's exactly what you told me, too. But I didn't buy it at the time, and I still don't buy it.

[Kenny Schrader]

I let up one time, and it was on the last lap deal and weighed it, but that made me really, really, really more product Tyler than already am. And it makes me think that, okay, here we got this young guy that's going to be my teammate, and for the sake of the team, we need to do good, and we're obviously going to be good teammates because we're, we're battling for the lead with another car right behind us, close behind us. That's another teammate. But if I was Michael Michael Jordan or Denny Hamlin, I'd be signing him for longer right now because it. That was team player. That was team player.

[Alan Deeks]

Lock him up. Lock him up.

[Kenny Schrader]

Lock him up. Yes, sir.

[Rick Mast]

So in that, in that same vein, now kind of shifting to the O'Reilly series in the truck race. I don't want to jump over the O'Reilly series, but, you know, Jimmy Johnson, he ran in the truck race on Friday and then ran in the cut race yesterday and first stage or something like that. In the truck race, he got up and, and led. I don't know if he won the stage, but he should have won the stage and they might have short pitted or something like that. But anyway, he was up there leading and at the, and then through the cycles of pit stops, he gets back there in the middle, you know, 15th to 20th. And basically he said, I couldn't believe, in short, he was basically saying, I couldn't believe how these guys were not cutting each other or break. They were running over each other. They were doing all of this kind of stuff. So my question is, and we with O'Reilly race, I mean that was a, just, that was a demolition derby of people running over each other. So Schrader, my question is, is this a product of daddy's money? Going through legends cars and late models and running people over, playing video games and running people over and you just got this mentality that if, if I pass them, great, if I wreck them, whatever, who cares?

[Kenny Schrader]

I think it's just the way it is now. And it's not just nascar. It's at the local Saturday night track where they're starting 24 cars. And if you're, if you're 15th to 20th, first off, you don't have as good a control because, I mean, you're not capable of going as fast. Everybody's struggling for their life. They don't want to do bad and they just run over each other. Not always intentional. Not always intentional, but just driving harder and out of control to try to make something good happen and nothing good happens.

[Alan Deeks]

Yeah, it was Jimmy, Jimmy was talking about when he was leading that race, when it was up front, up front, he thought about, man, this way, this is the way he's supposed to race. Guys were pointing, letting by letting you buy, you know, not messing with you. And he was joined it so much, then after the spit stop deal, he got put in the middle of the hornet nest. Right? And we all know about the hornet's nest, Kenny. In these races and in that hornet's nest, you know, you had, you have to survive that hornet's nest, not get wrecked. But evidently it must have been pretty, pretty stingy in that hornet for Jimmy Johnson. He's like, man, I don't like this. Everybody's running over each other, but it's just a product of their environment. It's just, it's the way, you know, these young guys that's like to your point, that's the way they started out. That's the racing. They did it. These short racetracks, that's where they were taught right. That's where they were brought up to do. And they just carry that right on through up to the, to the truck series. And that's, that's kind of, that's just a product of our environment right now. Whether it be daddy's money or whatnot or the guys not knowing how if you wreck a car, I've got to work on it this week. I think that has a lot to do with it. Back in our day, it did. I mean, you could wreck somebody and all that, but you're going to have something tore up. But you're the one who had to fix it all week. Yeah. So, you know, we don't have that these days. But the guys get out there and do their thing. So, you know, it's just, it's just where we're at today with racing. It's just part of it.

[Kenny Schrader]

Did you have another cow you could trade for another car if something happened?

[Alan Deeks]

Man, old Bessie, you know, when I sold old Bessie, man, that kind of ended that bloodline. So I did not. I did not.

[Kenny Schrader]

Man, if you'd had a whole herd,

[Alan Deeks]

I'd have tore up some damn race cars, buddy. I can tell you that. If I had me a whole herd of cattle, I've been a lot of tore up on that racetrack, I'm telling you.

[Kenny Schrader]

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[Rick Mast]

the O'Reilly race. I I was announcing a race Saturday night, so I had a guy and he kept saying, well, somebody hit a manhole cover and the wall broke another time and this and that. And the next thing. So then he tells me, I didn't hear Austin Hill's race or name at all whenever he was telling me everything was going on. And so he says, auster Hill won the race. I said, they knocked somebody out of the way. He said, yeah, this is just me not knowing what's going on. So I go back and I watch the highlights of the race and I, I watched it and I looked at it and I said, okay, what he did there was acceptable. I, you know, it wasn't driving through somebody. It wasn't like all the other stuff that, that was going on, you know, earlier in that race. As far as Austin Hill goes, you guys both know Richard Childress well, you obviously know everything that he's had to go through, you know, back in 2001 and now today for him and for RCR as an organization. How important was that when and how important? I mean, Austin Hill ran great out there in the cup race on Sunday. Granted the wreck that he got in, he caused it. But you know, it was from over driving the car. It wasn't from, you know, being dirty or anything like that. So what, how important was it for them to go out there and get that wind? Do you guys feel.

[Kenny Schrader]

I think it was very. I mean, you just, hey, every team needs a win. Every team needs a win. It does a lot for you every, every now and then. But a team like Richard sits had so many wins and you know, we've had a couple big problems too, you know, with, with drivers and losing drivers. It's, it's, it's very important. And then Austin was, he was one of the guys yesterday. He was one of the guys and he got in there a little hard. Look, I think he locked rear brave wheel hop just a shade. And he missed the turn which caused a lot of problems with which might not have been quite as bad if he wouldn't have got punted at the same, you know, I mean, they were going to hit the wall, but it might have been more side to side if he hadn't got punted also. But still, I mean, he was. They had a lot to be proud of yesterday.

[Alan Deeks]

Yeah, I agree with that. And to deal with Childress, I mean, we saw his emotion when they interviewed him in victory lane. Right. We saw that. We all our hearts hurt for Richard and the whole Bush family, all of us. We, you know, I get, I don't know, I don't think Kenny would get hardened or maybe just get, you know, when we came through all our buddies, right. That we Went through losing, you know, and it doesn't become normal. It's just something that it was looking, reflecting back on those days when we were there and lost so many of our guys, you know, you. I don't know how to put it. You're not hardened because you're still sympathetic to everybody about it. But it's like, yeah, I've been down this road before, and this is not fun. And here's how I deal with it right in these guys right now. You know, for a couple of generations, a couple of decades didn't have to deal with this kind of thing, and all those guys are handling it well. But for. For Richard, I mean, you know, I'm like Kenny. I mean, everybody loves Richard. I love Richard to death. And for him to be going through this again, you know, with somebody with a generational talent, you know, it's. It's a tough deal, but, you know, to win the race, I mean, it was great. I mean, I. I'd wish that. I hope they had already won something before this, but to do that and show the emotion and the relief and, you know, the joy of winning, you know, winning. Winning cures a lot of things, guys. And we all know that. When in our day say winning cured cancer, of course it doesn't, but it felt like it with teams a lot of times. So winning just, you know, something like that happened to those guys and winning the way they did. And like Kenny said to his point, the way Hill ran during the cup race, I mean, he was there, man. He was there. Just a little misfortune, you know, if SVG hadn't punted him, I don't. I don't think it had been big wreck. But, you know, it is what it is. So we live and go on winter race and go next week, man.

[Rick Mast]

So let me ask you this. So we're getting a little bit of clarity about next year. We know Corey Hines going into the 35 now. We know Jesse loves going into the 21. Last week, I think Danny Hamlin mentioned Brent Cruz and kind of what the plan is for him as far as JGR goes. It was a week or two ago, and I said, you know, I'll be interested to see what. What RCR does with that 33 car, because I don't see Austin Hill as the guy. Well, I don't know about after this weekend. I mean, he's made a pretty. It seems like he's made a pretty good argument that maybe he is ready to go to cook.

[Kenny Schrader]

The results speak for themselves, you know, the performance, sometimes the results don't speak. But he had a good run at Pocono last week, too. Best I remember. Right. He was good. It was. Obviously they didn't get the results because of a driver problem, which. The same thing that, you know, has got him, the good results is what got him in a little bit of trouble yesterday was just the going, going, going 100%, you know, so, yeah, I mean, he. He could be the guy. Then it comes into sponsorship and. And you know, what. What the different drivers can bring, and I don't mean necessarily what they bring, but what kind of sponsorship. You know, they're more attracted to one driver than another. So he could be the guy that's capable. Whether he lands the ride or not, we'll just have to see.

[Alan Deeks]

And his chances are even better probably of doing that now that Love is leaving and going into. Going to the Wood Brothers Pisker organization. So, you know, the race basically is two open seats. You might look at it that way. And maybe they'll put Austin in one of those. And, you know, he probably deserves a shot. Kenny, I. He's been at it a while, you know, give. Give the guy a shot, right, y'? All. You love to see everybody give a shot, but one thing is on my mind. I want to circle back real quick before we go further. They're talking about the manhole cover coming off during the race and. And you know, you went on social media and lord of mercy, the world's come to an end. God loves social media, but everybody's fussing and raising Cane about it taking so long and on and on and on. You know how to. How can a manhole cover, man? I remember we were racing at Charlotte one time. I think it was world 600. Kenny, maybe you remember this. And I was racing Rusty. I forget. We were in the top five, running pretty good. And I was on Rusty's Buttman dogging him. And all of a sudden I started. I started smelling something. Every now and then I smell something bad. What is that?

[Kenny Schrader]

Turn two.

[Alan Deeks]

And listen, listen. All of a sudden we'd come off turn two, and all of a sudden this glare of something would hit my windshield.

[Rick Mast]

Oh, my God. I know this one. Go ahead.

[Alan Deeks]

And it kept going, we kept running. And the next thing you know, I'm looking and you can see something running across the track and stuff flying up, hit my windshield. Spilled like poop, smelled like sewer. Well, the friggin sewer line busted or the sewer backed up or something. And we got this sewer running across the racetrack Coming off turn to right. So we had to stop and wait on that to happen. And I'm like, don't worry about manhole covers, man. Worry about a busted sewer line. Do you remember this one, guys?

[Kenny Schrader]

Oh yeah, I remember that. Well off turn too. Yeah, it was, it was, it was dealing with.

[Alan Deeks]

Yeah,

[Kenny Schrader]

This, the, the manhole cover. Now I didn't see it Saturday race, but they stopped and fixed that. Right. They let him fix it. But I remember a piece of concrete in Jeff Gordon's radiator from Martinsville, I believe. And it was. And, and did we have a red flag, I think or something?

[Rick Mast]

Yep.

[Kenny Schrader]

And they would not let them fix it. It was, I mean they were screaming bloody murder. Let us fix it. Yeah, because you can't work on your car during red red. So. Yeah, of course that's different people in charge. A lot of years apart. But I would, I would like to someone to explain that.

[Rick Mast]

Yeah, I didn't, I didn't like that. And I think I can't remember who it was. Years ago at Charlotte. It was, I don't know, maybe 15 years ago or so somewhere along in there. And if you remember, they had one of those cable cams that ran across the racetrack and, and it failed and somebody hit it on the racetrack. Maybe it was Kurt Busch or somebody like that. But, but they didn't let them fix that and they put the red flag out and did all of that kind of stuff. So I don't, I don't think it's fair to those competitors. I don't think it's right. But in the same vein, I also, if you, if you don't let those guys fix it, I don't know how you let you know, Corey Day fix his car.

[Kenny Schrader]

Well, just different, different, different time, different people in charge. But it was the whole thing makes me think of what Dale Inman said. It said it, man. It ain't always been this easy.

[Alan Deeks]

Well, a little bit unprecedented. I mean they, the only other time they did that in all star race when the guys got tore up, they let them bring back up car. I think that's race Gordon one, I believe. Yeah, backup cars. But that was in excuse was this is a non points race, this is all star race, blah blah blah. Right. So. But now they set a new president. You know, every time the racetrack comes apart or something, the racetrack calls you direct or go out of the race, you can pull out another car and keep on trucking.

[Rick Mast]

Yeah.

[Alan Deeks]

So you know, different era. Like Kenny said, we're in a different era with A lot of things, guys.

[Rick Mast]

So let me ask you guys about the truck race. I don't know if you saw the truck race or not, but. And we see this out of the truck series time and time again, and it's been this way for years. But you talk about guys wanting it and just going out there and driving their rear ends off. Tanner, Rye, flaying, Riggs. I mean, you could go through the list in that race of guys that just went out there and threw everything they had at it. I loved it. I thought it was great. And one guys going out there and wrecking each other and wiping each other out, but, boy, they sure were driving hard.

[Alan Deeks]

You guys remember a couple years ago when every third lap at every racetrack, they were wrecking you? I remember that. And everybody started fussing at them. The insiders, other drivers. Y'. All. Y' all get your crap together and quit doing this. Quit tearing up these trucks every third lap of every race. Right? Well, I think Friday night's race was a perfect example. These guys listened to. You know, they're. They figuring out. They're figuring out how to race hard and rub fenders without wrecking each other. I mean, you can do that. You know, your talent level tells you how far you can push it to do that, right? And then when you run out of talent, you cause a big wreck. But all these guys seem like they've. They've gotten better at that over time. You know, not. Not just wrecking. You're kind of like Bill France told us all, Schrader at Indy. You know, the first time we went to India in the drivers meeting, he looked at us the. We got 150,000, 300,000 people here and millions watching on TV. Do not embarrass us on that first lap. Right? And we all knew what that meant by Bill. And, you know, the message, I think, was received by those truck drivers a while back there, you know, they. They go after it. I'm with you on this one, dude. They. They dig and go after it. No doubt.

[Kenny Schrader]

And I know. I know who led the first lap ever at Indianapolis.

[Alan Deeks]

That's right.

[Kenny Schrader]

You're damn right you did. What about the van?

[Alan Deeks]

You know what? Richard Jackson, me. Where. Our deal was a 50, 50 split on. On the. On your money, right? And the van would have been a 50, 50 split. And he'd come up to me, Rick, real sheepish. You know, we won that van. Yeah. He said, do you want the van? I said, what do you want? What do you need, Richard? He said, would you. Would you Be willing to let me have it. I said, richard, it's your race team. Take a van. Well, yeah, but half of it's yours. He wrote me a check. We figured out what that van sold for. It was nice customized van, guys, whatever the thing was, if it was valued at that time, maybe 60 or 70,000. He wrote me a check for half the value of that van and took it. Right? And he and his daughter and his family drove that thing up there around, around Asheville for years, right? And lo and behold, somebody sent me a message here a while back on Facebook up in Wisconsin or somewhere and had this van sitting on, like sitting in the old shop, you know, it's kind of rotten down. So I thought about going back and trying to get that thing, but I forgot about. Be honest with you. Glad this. I'm glad I did the show today. Now remember to go check on this again.

[Kenny Schrader]

Got a van for winning the poll. That was, it was huge. That was a huge day. We first went in the. Wow.

[Rick Mast]

Yeah, I remember that. And I remember, you know, it was the days of VHS tapes and stuff like that. If I dug around at my mom and dad's right now I could find it. But every time that the cars hit the track that weekend where, you know, they showed practice, they showed qualifying, there were 80 cars there, Arca cars were trying to make it, Winston cars.

[Alan Deeks]

Yeah, 83.

[Rick Mast]

Yeah.

[Alan Deeks]

It was just not that I was, not that I was counting how many were left, had to qualify.

[Rick Mast]

It was just unbelievable. And I don't think anybody nowadays, you know, because obviously NASCAR at Indianapolis has lost its luster compared to what it was those first, you know, 15 years or so. My God, what a, what a huge deal that was. And as a NASCAR fan, and I'm sure you guys felt the same way, I was just so proud to see that race and to see you guys on that racetrack that day, it just, it was unbelievable.

[Kenny Schrader]

I wonder how the Coronado race, crowd wise compared to Chicago street race.

[Rick Mast]

You would think more. I would think because you got more space.

[Alan Deeks]

I would think, yeah, yeah, yeah, I would think so. The excitement level, the end result was better, let's put it that way, Kenny. The excitement leading up to it and excitement of the events. Right. And everything that went on. Yeah, yeah. I don't know. I do know the excitement levels paid. The meter was pegged a lot higher than it was. Chicago not taking anything away from Chicago, but it was pegged higher. No doubt.

[Rick Mast]

Well, you keep hearing that. They may go back to that Chicago street race, but I'm telling you, I'm willing to put money down on it. I think that Chicago Land race is going to be awesome. That track is aged right. These cars are perfect for that racetrack in this type of racetrack. And I think NASCAR is going to have a hard time now again, I have heard that the ticket sales aren't great. It's July 4th weekend. There's going to be a lot of people up there wanting to go to Lake Michigan and do anything other than go to a race. I don't know that it's the greatest weekend to have that race and that may end up being its doom. But I think, I think the race is going to be great up there.

[Kenny Schrader]

Yeah, I believe that.

[Alan Deeks]

It's kind of like Bill France Jr. Told me one, one time, he said, rick, long as I keep you guys side by side on the racetrack, the rest of this stuff all takes care of itself, you know, and that there's a lot of truth to that statement.

[Rick Mast]

It's the truth.

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[Rick Mast]

What a brilliant tackle from Naomi Kerma.

[Kenny Schrader]

What would you like the power to do?

[Rick Mast]

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[Alan Deeks]

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[Rick Mast]

Let me ask you guys this because I know we've talked, you know, we've talked a lot about how spire has emerged this year with, with Josevar and Daniel SUAREZ and Michael McDowell and, and we talked about the last few years, Track House and you know, Chastain and SVG and Zilich and stuff like this. But I, you know, the one that kind of gets overlooked is front row Zane Smith again. He had a good race yesterday. They all qualified, I think in the top 10. I think all three cars did. And then that truck series team with Lane Riggs and with Chandler Smith, I mean they're the cream of the crop out there right now.

[Kenny Schrader]

Well, that's because that lawsuit stuff, they got to let them guys do good.

[Rick Mast]

That's right.

[Alan Deeks]

I knew that was coming. I knew that was coming. That's kind of like straight that's kind of like Schrader never getting a call. He. Kenny used to give NASCAR all the numbers, all phone numbers, but he never, Never got a call from anybody. Never got that call.

[Kenny Schrader]

That front row team, they've been around for a while now, and they. They just continue. Continue to get faster. You know, that's. That's pretty cool.

[Rick Mast]

And I'll tell you, I think, I mean, you guys both raced against him and Rick. You probably know Scott Riggs pretty well from just, you know, the region and both you guys coming from late models and stuff like that. But I always thought Scott was a heck of a race car driver. And I'll tell you, Lane. Lane is hitting it at the right time. I think Scott didn't quite hit it at the right time because he was a little bit older, but Lane's hitting it at the right time and, you know, he. Zane Smith, Ford, I think better be doing everything they can do to keep them.

[Alan Deeks]

Yeah, you know, I kind of compare that dude, his dad, Lane and Scott, I kind of compare those. Those two guys to the Todd Gillahan, right? The daddy and the son. I kind of look at those as is kind of being parallel. They're both of them, the daddy's career and the son's careers now, you know, really taking off. But you're right, front row. I mean, they, you know, they're digging every year. It. He's one of those guys, the rigs guy, he's one of those guys that I've always been interested to see, you know, if he got in the right deal, how he could do. And he's doing very well. And you keep. Just one of those guys I picked to watch a little bit. Right. And you, like, you know, wonder how he's going to do. Well, he's showing what he can do, all right. Wonder how he does, how he's going to do when he goes up the next two steps. Right. Hopefully he gets those chances to do that. And, you know, I don't know, front row, you know, it's kind of like who got legacy, you know, legacy. We talk about legacy here. All of a sudden, I don't know what they found, you know, trying to do it on their own. If you listen to all the reports, they got Cow Wells and Jimmy and all those guys over there now. Now we got Hootie over there, right. Singing songs at the. At the racetrack. So, you know, but it seems like they figured some stuff out. And guys, it's not. It's not like, you know, all of a sudden something's magic. It's just the guys working on these race cars figure out I will put the 20,000 shim here instead of here. Hey, guess what? We're lead lap car today. We're a top five car today. You know, it's weird the way these cars are right now. So, you know. Anyhow, I regress, digress.

[Kenny Schrader]

Where do you put the shim,

[Alan Deeks]

man? I don't. You put it next to the rose center, Kenny. You know the rose centers that you always loved.

[Kenny Schrader]

Yeah.

[Alan Deeks]

Right in the polar of inertia.

[Kenny Schrader]

Yeah.

[Alan Deeks]

You know, and the instant centers and all that stuff. Right.

[Kenny Schrader]

Keep it in the third drawer.

[Alan Deeks]

Did you know about all that stuff? Yeah. For those of you that don't know the technical terms, he's talking about roll centers. One time, Bass Schrader, you know, horse roll center or something, he said, man, I've looked on my truck everywhere I got drawers and benches. I don't see roll centers anywhere. I don't know what that is. So just a funny little thing.

[Kenny Schrader]

Got a shock rack and a tire rack and a spring rack and everything. I don't have a roll center rack. I don't know what to do about that.

[Alan Deeks]

Oh, Lord.

[Rick Mast]

Well, we got. We got lots of stuff we could keep talking about. I was thinking about you guys with school and. And maybe we'll save that for. For another time. Just cause we're running up against time. But trader, what happened with dirt this week?

[Kenny Schrader]

I'm. I'm a little bit behind Bobby Pierce. One world outlaw late model up in Wisconsin.

[Rick Mast]

You could just say that. And you just say that even if you don't know what's going on.

[Kenny Schrader]

Right.

[Rick Mast]

I mean more likely that's.

[Kenny Schrader]

Yeah, but little shepherd and Dale McDowell one at. Was it Smoky Mountain? Lucas Oil Raceway? I think it was Smoky Mountain, but Smoky Mountain or. I think it was Smoky Mountain, but the big deal. Okay. Too many races. Thursday night, World outlaws sprint cars and Buddy Cole Floyd won 20 grand. He come back Friday or Wednesday night. He won 20, come back Thursday night, won a hundred and fifty. Friday night they had another 20. And I think Sheldon Hodgeshield won it. And Saturday night, $300,000 to win. David Gravel won it. That's pretty big. I said the right number.

[Rick Mast]

Yeah, you said the right numbers.

[Kenny Schrader]

I said the right numbers. 20,000, 150,000. 20,000 300,000 to win.

[Rick Mast]

Yeah.

[Alan Deeks]

Which one of those cars cost? How can I get one?

[Kenny Schrader]

Rick? Yes, I will. I have a. I have a deal for you.

[Alan Deeks]

Yes, I knew you would. I knew how that. I knew how that answer was going to go too,

[Kenny Schrader]

and I got it. I got. I got a really bad joke for you when it's time.

[Rick Mast]

Oh, good. Because I got four.

[Kenny Schrader]

Okay.

[Rick Mast]

I got four.

[Kenny Schrader]

Well, you want first? It's big.

[Rick Mast]

Yeah, let me do mine first because they'll be so bad. But you'll. You'll come back. So I got one liners. So I did four instead of three. And we always joke when, when Herm comes back. Rick, that as bad as my jokes are, you laugh at all of them. I don't know if you're laughing at the jokes or if you're laughing at me or the way I see them or what, or if they're just so bad, but it does make me feel better. So I appreciate that laugh, Rick. All right, you ready?

[Kenny Schrader]

Yeah.

[Rick Mast]

Okay, here we go. I used to play the piano by ear, but now I use my hands. Now I'm making myself laugh. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Okay. I told my vacuum it sucked and now we don't talk. Okay. I'm not lazy. I'm just in energy saving mode now. That one sucks. I don't like that.

[Alan Deeks]

That one sucks. Here.

[Rick Mast]

Okay, here's. Here's my favorite one, though. I like this one. A day without sunshine is like night.

[Alan Deeks]

This is John Smokes, the famous Atlanta Braves baseball player. Had the exact same jokes all the time.

[Rick Mast]

Oh, yeah?

[Alan Deeks]

Yeah. He had to laugh at them.

[Rick Mast]

All right, freighter, what you got?

[Kenny Schrader]

Well, it's a question. What's the. What's the biggest rock group in America?

[Alan Deeks]

Rock Bridge Bay is Virginia.

[Rick Mast]

Yeah. Or I could say Metallica. And you're probably going to say something

[Kenny Schrader]

like limestone Mount Rushmore.

[Alan Deeks]

Can I give y' all a preview of Sonoma? Are we going Sonoma next?

[Rick Mast]

Yeah, we can talk about.

[Alan Deeks]

All right, let me. Let me run something at you real quick before we end. So the first time I go to Sonoma and Kenny, I don't know if you remember this because I do not remember it, but I read an article a while back somebody had written, we go to Sonoma. I do. For the very first time. I get in a passenger car with Kenny Schrader. Schrader drives me around the racetrack now, remember? Now, I still don't remember this, but I'm reading it right. So we're going along. We go into turn one and Traders tell me right there, you don't want to get high and get off track there. That's where Richard Petty went in that wall and broke his ankle or broke his leg. We go up to the top Three round turn, tooth. And right there is where you get off on this side a little bit. That's where Jimmy means ended up over, up on his roof and in the tires. We go down this next little turn. That's where Mark Martin went off and he got upside down, you know, and he, he hates to be upside down. Mark does and went up to the next turn and this guy wrecked the next turn, this guy wrecked. And we get back halfway back through there. Then there's a drag strip right there at the track that takes you back to the pits. I said, schrader, listen, I don't want to hear anything more about this. Hit that drag strip shortcut and take me back to the friggin pits. I don't want to hear any more about every turn where these guys are upside down and breaking legs and stuff. I'll just figure it out on my own. Do you remember that, Kenny? Because I can't.

[Kenny Schrader]

I don't remember that. I remember.

[Alan Deeks]

Well, it's, it's in print, dude, so we must have done it.

[Kenny Schrader]

I turned over there in turn one. Steve park and I turned over and we were, we were on the airplane. We were going snowmobiling afterwards in Montana, I think, and Petrie, Andy and Patty were with us. And when it turned over there was a picture and it's like the lower radiator hose was off it or something. And Andy, you know, Andy's like, what happened? What happened? What happened? Well, I knew what happened. But he saw that radiator hose. I think it was a radio, I don't remember. But anyway, it was stuff coming. Finally we snowmobile for a couple days, then we all went home because now the truck is going to be there and he's going to be able to find out what happened. I finally fessed up. I knew what happened. I went in turn one, I got a little high and got in that loose rubber and I ran out of track traction and talent at the same time. I just screwed up.

[Alan Deeks]

But the Reddit hose come off. Really? That's what caused all that? I mean. Yeah, yeah.

[Kenny Schrader]

Well, that's what I told him. That's what I told him.

[Alan Deeks]

Yeah. Hey, man, I remember for one time at Atlanta we were there testing and it was Dale Jr. Was just getting going, right? And he was there. I don't remember if it was a bush car, xfinity car, if it was a cup car, but he hadn't run with us any. And we're out there practicing. I come in, I look up and Dale Rex up there in the middle three and four and he ends up against the wall and four. And I remember Tony Senior there and all those guys and get it and bring the car in. You know, it's kind of wrecked up a little bit. And what did Dale said? He said I blew a tire out, right? Blue right front tire. That's what happened to me. Well, you look around the car, there's no blown out tires. And I told, I told, I told. I don't know if I told Dale Jr. But I told, I know I told Tony Senior, I said listen man, I'm Madale Jr. I went to him, I said listen man, when you tell you, when you tell people what happened to your race car, before you say you blew out a tire, walk around that car, make sure there's a tire blown out. Right before you say I blew a tire out. Right. So that just goes back to being truthful with your audience.

[Kenny Schrader]

Yeah.

[Rick Mast]

Hey, can before we go and we're just a little bit long here, but I definitely think is, is worth mentioning. So Steve Wade passed away last week. How important was, was Steve Wade? And you know, you could think of Tom Higgins and Joe Whitlock and Benny Phillips and I mean you go through the line of these guys that, that wrote about NASCAR in the 70s and 80s and 90s and, and wrote about. About it eloquently in and help people learn about you guys maybe more than, than what they just saw on television. Just, just Steve Wade's importance and, and what he meant to, to nascar. Especially at a time whenever it was

[Kenny Schrader]

really growing to me. That whole group that you talked about, Whitlock, Higgins, Wade, you know, we didn't. And even when I start in 85, we only had like half a dozen races that family in Missouri could watch on TV. I guess MRN was rocking, but I don't know if anybody in St. Louis carried MRN but that, that was, that was what was getting NASCAR out to the general public. You know, it was the people at the races and then the people writing about it. And we had, we had some great writers that had a true passion for this sport and just represented it very well and did a phenomenal job. And, and they were, when you talk to them guys, they were like what I said, like with Hilton before that they were partners. You know, it was all in this just to do good and, and make stuff better. And they went above and beyond in their jobs.

[Alan Deeks]

You know, I was so fortunate Kenny was to, to come through when those guys were reporting on our sport. Steve, I go back to Steve A little bit, because he was a beat writer for Roanoke Times, which is our local paper, basically for a few years before he went to Carolina and the scene deal and all that. But he, that whole group you just mentioned, and he, he. Those guys, you could trust them. You could tell them something, you know, about something that's happening or going to happen, and they wouldn't report it unless you gave them permission to do that. They would hold on to it. And that. That was. That's rare, man. Today you just don't do that. The other thing those guys would do, and Steve led the way with Higgins and all of them, they would. And I got on. I've got on a couple of journalists here a few years ago about this stuff of this negative reporting, you know, everything being so negative. And their response to me was, well, if the story's out there, we've got to put it out. I said, agreed. I said, but let me take you back two decades ago to the same stories with a different set of journalists. They would take that same story, that story would get out, the same thing that you're reporting and talking, writing about. These guys would do it also. That same information would get out that you're reporting. But the slant on the story was always positive. It was never a negative slant to it. You know, the fans got the same information. But guess what? Today's journalists, those guys did it in a positive way, not a negative way. And Steve was part of that group, you know, that did it that way for our sport. And, man, I hadn't heard it put that way before, but Kenny, you're exactly right. We were together. We were partners in this. Us competitors and the journalists, we really were partners in that. And it's true.

[Kenny Schrader]

How many, how many driver owner putting together like an agent did Barney hall do, you know, you want to know where you could possibly go next year? You. Barney, tell you where you can possibly go. And like you said, yeah, never. He just. I think this might open up, but never say nothing, you know.

[Alan Deeks]

Yeah, yeah.

[Rick Mast]

Let me. Let me tell you a story that goes along that same vein. Just everybody pulling in the right direction for sport. You know, I know a lot of people have heard the story about. Winston came to Junior Johnson and said, we'll give you a hundred thousand dollars to sponsor the car. And he said, well, if you're willing, if you're wanting to spend that much money, you ought to just sponsor the whole series. Well, I. I went up the Wilkesboro and interviewed him for a hall of fame. Whenever he was going into the hall of Fame. And, and I don't know if this was on camera or not, but he told me this story. And, and when he told me it was something I had never heard before, but the years all matched up, so I knew it was right. And he said. He said 19, I think it was 84, he said. I was all set to put Dale earnhardt in the 12 and. And it was going to be Darryl Waltrip in the 11 and Earnhardt in the 12 with Wrangler on it. And in Budweiser came and said, we'll give you $400,000 to put our names on both cars. Oh, I know what it was. Coors was going to go on the 11. Coors was going to go on the 11, and Wrangler on the 12. And Budweiser came and said, we'll give you $400,000 to put Budweiser on both cars, but we don't want Dale Earnhardt in the 12. Absolutely don't want him. Don't want nothing to do with him. So Junior says, okay. He goes to Childress and Earnhardt and says. Or tells Earnhardt the situation, says, you know, you ought to go back over there to Childress and take Wrangler since you got Wrangler with you and, and. And get back together with children's, because I think you guys could work together real well. And then he goes to Coors and he says, you know, there's this. This team down there in Georgia that's just hanging on with. With Bill Elliot and mailing, and if you go over there, then, then, you know, you might have something. And I said, so you're telling me that, that you could have put Coors and Wrangler on your cars and Budweiser makes their offer, but then you still pointed Wrangler in a direction, Coors in the direction, and these were the two teams that you had to battle the hardest with. And you actually lost races to these teams because you put them. You put them all together. And he said, yeah, and it just is. It goes back to what. What you guys were saying is. It just. It was about putting the sport first, not about putting your team first, not about putting your driver first, not about putting your newspaper first, not about putting your network first. It was about putting the sport first. And I don't think that there's ever been a sport that. That.

[Kenny Schrader]

That.

[Rick Mast]

That was birthed and nourished the way that NASCAR was to get to where it is mean. Am I wrong?

[Kenny Schrader]

I. I think you're 100% right. And Junior lost some races, you know, to those other teams, but he made some more money because he grew the sport that much. But I do have one question and we can do our own little survey here. Let people tell us what they think. So we're five to go in 19, whatever. And Dale Earnhardt is going into that left hander on the inside of Darrell Waltrip in team cars for Junior and he gets into Darrell and knocks him up in the marbles. Does Dale let off?

[Rick Mast]

No, no, thank. About Richmond in 86. You think Earnhardt don't turn right and put, put Daryl into the guardrail there on the back. Straight away at Richmond just because he's got Budweiser on the car.

[Kenny Schrader]

He just cut down a little early. Just that much early.

[Alan Deeks]

Surprise. He was surprised that they actually hit.

[Kenny Schrader]

Yeah,

[Alan Deeks]

it really surprised Dale.

[Kenny Schrader]

He just hit him. He gave me a choice. Just save it.

[Alan Deeks]

He had a choice.

[Rick Mast]

He chose.

[Alan Deeks]

He chose direct. Oh, my Lord.

[Rick Mast]

Well, Kenny can. First off, Rick, I appreciate you doing this for us again.

[Alan Deeks]

Oh, I love it, man. I love you guys.

[Rick Mast]

Kenny, do you remember what Herm says to take us off?

[Kenny Schrader]

Well, yeah, you can listen.

[Alan Deeks]

Evidently

[Kenny Schrader]

I listen to him so carefully. You can listen to us at Dirty Mo Media or you can watch on Kenny Wallace something.

[Rick Mast]

Kitty Wallace. YouTube.

[Kenny Schrader]

Kenny Wallace YouTube. I'm still at Jeff Gordon. What? Kenny Wallace Media. All right, guys, it was fun.

[Alan Deeks]

Thank you guys. Have a good day. Have a good week. Phrase fans.

[Kenny Schrader]

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[Alan Deeks]

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[Alan Deeks]

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