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Karsyn Elledge: More Than Just Her Last Name
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You’ve heard her on Door Bumper Clear & Rare Breeds, but now you get the full story!
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Kenny Wallace
Hello everyone and welcome back to Kenny Conversation. Brought to you by i55 Federated Auto Parts Raceway park right here in PE Missouri dirt racing every Saturday night. Well, would you look at that pretty lady. There she is. Oh my gosh. I've known this lady since she's been a child. Carson Elledge. Carson, how you doing?
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Carson Ellage
I am doing great. I'm incredibly excited to be on Kenny Conversations. And I also I know it's not coffee with Kenny, but I did have to pull Out a mug that has my dad, Jimmy Elledge, in his street stock on it from, like, I don't even know, the 80s, 90s.
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Kenny Wallace
Yeah, but that is awesome. And that's. That's going to be right in line with what we're going to talk about today. So where's that puppy dog of yours?
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Dale Earnhardt Jr.
Right now?
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Carson Ellage
He is. He's wishing that he was a part of the. He's really excited because I just came home for my little lunch hour from being at work, so he's probably thinking that I'm home for the rest of the day now, and he's. He's excited.
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Kenny Wallace
Well, we were at Millbridge Speedway together, and we were watching everybody race, and you and your mama and myself and my daughter Brittany and Lila, we were all sitting in the grandstands and. And we both agreed that, hey, it's time to get Carson on Kenny conversations. So let. Let's start right there. You know, I've kind of studied what they say about you on, you know, Wilkopedia. I mean, listen, the fans talk, but they. Yeah, they do. And we're gonna. And we will talk about that, but they. They say, Carson, that you are a TV personality, but I just don't buy into that. I. In my brain, you're a race car driver. What. What are you.
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Carson Ellage
That. That's actually something I'm still trying to figure out. Honestly, it's funny. I. It's funny that you say this like, I see you as a race car driver versus we're starting to enter the era of our cars, Tour drivers that didn't even know that I raced. So, yeah, I. Honestly, the TV part came through the racing, which was pretty cool. I started racing when I was around nine years old with my dad out at Millbridge, and that kind of just took off from there. And next thing you know, we were traveling to California to race and Oregon and Montana and all these places. And somehow, through which I was 14, 15 at the time, so I was left out of all the important business conversations, but somehow Nickelodeon ended up becoming a sponsor on my outlaw cart that I was racing in 2014. So I had a sandy cheeks go kart. And then from there for the next two years, my sister and I hosted a show called Hammer down on Nickelodeon. And then obviously, it was all about nascar. Just trying to get the younger generation into it. And then still kind of obviously continued to race through all that. Have taken a little bit of what I like to call a Tom Brady retirement since. Since college and everything. But, yeah, a little bit of Everything. A little bit of a Swiss army knife, I guess.
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Dale Earnhardt Jr.
Yeah.
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Kenny Wallace
Oh, man, you're, you're wise beyond your years. Swiss army knife. Boy, them knives, they got everything.
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Carson Ellage
Everything. Anything you want, what you need, I probably got it.
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Kenny Wallace
Okay, everybody, we are talking to Carson Ellage. And I cannot assume everybody knows who Carson is. So her mama is Dale Earnhardt, seniors daughter. Your, your mother is Kelly Earnhardt. Ellage Miller, I really admire your mother. We've always got along really well. She loves my mama, Judy. Your daddy, as they say down south. Your daddy, your daddy is a. Oh my gosh. A dear friend of mine and was my first crew chief and I was his first crew chief driver.
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Carson Ellage
Was that in the square D car or was that before that?
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Kenny Wallace
No, that was it. Yeah. Jimmy Ellis. So. And then, you know, you're obviously your grandpa was Dale Senior. We kind of talked about that. Your uncle is Dale Junior. So. And listen, I say this with love. I love your, your dad, Jimmy Ellage. He's smart, he's aggressive, and we got a lot of things to talk about. But I guess you, you know, you are both, you are an Earnhardt, you are an Ellage, and you guys are gangsters. You go hard start right there. I mean, it's a, it's a lot.
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Carson Ellage
A lot. Yeah. I'm still trying to figure out. Right. No, but it's, it's been, I think having both sides of my family being so involved in racing from before I was even thought of, like my grandfather, Terry Elledge, he was an engine builder. NASCAR forever and ever. Bill Davis worked there for a long, long time. So I really, I always say I kind of really had no choice probably but to get involved in it one way or another. But having it on both sides has been cool. And then just to see it evolve with my younger sister Kennedy, and then now my brother Wyatt racing and my dad and my mom and LW all being involved in that together, it's been really cool. But to your point, a lot of hard nosed racers and opinions and personalities in this family. So it definitely can be a roller coaster sometimes, but a fun one.
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Kenny Wallace
I do want to say that I met LW several times. What a great race car driver and a wonderful human being. It's a, it does surprise me that LW doesn't race anymore. It's like, okay, you, you're not racing. LW is not racing. So let's back up. You know, you all, you all are racing family. Will you go racing again?
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Carson Ellage
I definitely want to continue racing just for more of the fun side of it, I think considering it as a career is probably, I don't want to say it's ever too late, but I just think that I've taken. Taken too big of a swing the other way and made decisions to kind of sort my career and my life in a certain direction that I don't know that full time competing is ever in the cards for me. However, I mean, if I were ever offered, offered the opportunity to, I probably wouldn't say no. But I've enjoyed just getting to go out to Millbridge every once in a while and run the outlaw cart there. And I was kind of trying to figure out how to run the midget race at Millbridge at the end of last year. But I think I, I just, it's fun and I sometimes when I do race now, it kind of makes me think back and wish I did the first time differently because I, I think I possess so many more qualities now mentally and physically that would have. I needed what I was happening to me at 19 to happen to me right now. Kind of if, if that makes sense.
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Kenny Wallace
Oh, 100%. I think there's a Rod Stewart song forever Young and, and it's like, why can't we have our 25 year old brain in our 8 year old body, right? You know, or somebody right there tutoring us. You know, I'm watching Kyle Larson with Owen and yeah, I get it. Okay.
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Carson Ellage
Understanding the timing, right. Like, I, I think if I would have taken different steps or paused here or stepped back here, I maybe could have been in that situation at 25. But it's just kind of the way that it all works out. And I had so much fun with those experiences and I would never trade them for anything. But I kind of wish I had a do over of that era like right now.
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Kenny Wallace
Yeah. And I'm kind of the same way. I, I watched a video of you. I, maybe it was Shawnee, Oklahoma, I don't know. But you were an indoor event and, and you were getting it. I mean, you've got balls. I mean you, you, you are nervy. You get with it. I mean, you go right to the wall, you turn it. And Kennedy is like that too. Your sister. Where did, where did you all, where did you get that? I mean, watching. I would be afraid to do that, but there you are and you're just getting it.
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Carson Ellage
I, honestly, my mom and my dad will both tell you this. I have been a. He sees a beaver out the freaking window.
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Dale Earnhardt Jr.
Oh, it's good.
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Kenny Wallace
Let him be.
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Carson Ellage
This is real life. Chill, buddy. It's okay. So my mom and my dad will both tell you, from the time I was born, I have always done exactly what I wanted to do, been a big personality. Can't be told no. And just when I get my mind set on something, I'm going to be good at it when I'm going to master that skill or. Or whatever it might be, so. And then you just have the Earnhardt blood in you, too. Right? Like, I think that we do get a lot of that, just purely honest, you know, my mother and her and I, I think, have a pretty similar level of hardcore to us that kind of balances out our nurturing side. But, I mean, I. My favorite thing about the racing is that, like, when I get in the car, you don't think about that stuff. And, I mean, I'm sure you know that, too, and vacation, and you don't even have to try. Like, you don't even have to try to not think about anything else. It just. It just happens. And that's what you're focused on, and that's what you're doing in that moment. And you've got to accomplish X, Y, Z. Like, I think maybe my ADHD helps me there a little bit, because I can just. Like, this is what I'm doing, and I'm doing it, and I can't think about anything else. But, I mean, I think, obviously, it just was instilled in me from the way I was raised and just the personality I've had as a little girl, that you're not going to tell me no, and you're not going to tell me I'm not going to be good at something, because I'll show you otherwise.
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Kenny Wallace
Yeah. And I truly believe you're an Earnhardt and an elegy, because I've spent years around your father, and we are good friends, and we do love each other. We kind of came along when we needed each other. Your dad became a crew chief, and one thing I learned about him being my crew chief and taking me to a lot of success was I'll never forget your dad, Jimmy Elitch, saying, well, by God, we'll just debull this. Or, you know, I mean, he. He was very aggressive on chassis and trying things. I mean, when nobody else would do it, your dad would do it.
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Carson Ellage
So I remember. I remember one year, it had to have been probably. And you actually might know the year once I start telling this story, but there was a year that it was like January, and Nick Hoffman was getting ready to go down to Volusia for all of that solid Gator nationals and everything. And I remember his modified being in my dad's shop and they cranked on that thing for days and days and days and days and figured out something that eventually had a rule made about it. But it was. And Nick went down there and won like every night. I think like it was ridiculous. Like put a hurting on him that year. And I'm like that because that thing was in Jimbo's shop before it left. Because he's like MacGyver with that stuff. He will find MacGyver.
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Kenny Wallace
Yes. And I'm so happy you tell that story. Nick Hoffman. The Hoffman family is from right here in St. Louis, right across the river, Belleville, Illinois. But Nick, Nick tells me and gives credit to your father. You know, the cup guys would work during the day and they'd stop by Nick's shop and your dad, Jimmy, that's when they were running on the tail of the spring and they were learning the right front, calling it clan. Yes. Nick and your father reintroduced modifieds. Got the right front down the left for up. Massive traction. Good story by the way.
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Carson Ellage
I'll never forget it because I just remember dad telling us the recap of Nick going down there and how it all went and next thing you know they had there's rules about it all.
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Dale Earnhardt Jr.
Yeah.
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Kenny Wallace
And that. And that is your dad. And that's you. That is you. And I remember your mama Kelly maybe a year ago, you know, whether it's lunch, whether it's night, we're scrolling on whether it's Instagram or whatever it is. And your mother mentioned that you are a lady of your own brain. She's not going to tell you anything. Is that true?
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Carson Ellage
Very true. I would say and I hope that with maturity and age that I'm starting to decipher when you need your parents opinion and, and when you know, maybe you don't. But no, she's, she's not wrong. I. Stubborn is a word that has been said to me my entire 25 years.
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Kenny Wallace
Okay. I want to go right now and then we're going to go back to racing a little bit. I want your opinion on, you know, would you want to be a lady cup racer nowadays? Because I heard you said my Lord. But let's come back to that. I just want to tease everybody right now. I follow your every move on Instagram. I think Instagram is the best. It is you, you work for the Cars tour and you work for Dirty Mo Media. You've got rare breeds with Caitlin Waltrip you're on door bumper clear with Tommy Baldwin and Freddie Kraft. You guys put out great content because it's real. Let's start with the Cars tour. What do you do there? What's up?
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Carson Ellage
So I came on board with them. This is my third season now and I came on a social media management and then quickly it transformed into now. I manage all of our partnerships and marketing and kind of help on the sales side. We do have somebody that oversees sales and whatnot. So him and I kind of team up on that stuff and it's kind of one of those things. We have such a small staff that like partnerships and marketing is the title, but there's so much, so much other stuff. Managing our merchandise, front gate and back gate, ticketing when we have it, partnerships, all things branding materials, branding guidelines, communications, pr. Anything that falls outside of competition and social media essentially is probably something that I've got my hand in.
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Kenny Wallace
Did you go to any schooling for that? I mean I went to college for like five days and I'm like, get me out of here.
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Carson Ellage
Me too. I, I went to college for a year. I went to IUPUI in Indianapolis, I am willing to admit, and I've said this to my parents, I really thought that I was gonna go there and get to go midget racing my friends and party and live downtown, which I did do all of that IndianAP but the school half of it obviously suffered and so I just, I was going for criminal justice. And then when I found out that I would have had to gone to school for like eight years to end up being a lawyer, I was like that. I no thank you. And so after the year of being there and just I'm like this, I'm wasting your money, mom, I'm wasting time. Like I would much rather just start working. So I moved back home at the end of 2019 and started just working wherever I kind of could. Bundy Mitchell gave me an opportunity to do like some bookkeeping and some front office stuff at his engine shop. And gosh, I've done a lot of odd different things but I think,
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Carson Ellage
think I definitely have gotten more out of the real life experience than I have if I would have went to college. And that's not the same for everybody. Some people are very academ, dynamically structured and you know, that kind of, those kind of things work for them and, and I'm just not that kind of person. I'm very creative brained and just not. Wasn't doing too hot with school. So I think just having real life work experience taught me a lot more than sitting in school taking math and English and science and all that would have
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Carson Ellage
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Kenny Wallace
I Know that our journey is important. And one of my journeys was I was racing at Terre Haute. There was a stretch where I was going to Terre Haute a lot because Bob Sargent was promoting Terre Haute. And I walked up front to do something, sign autographs, and there you were all by yourself, maybe selling some merchandise. I mean, our journey isn't always that.
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Carson Ellage
Was that when I had Raceline? Is that what when I had the.
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Kenny Wallace
Maybe.
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Carson Ellage
It might have been. It might have been when I had that Raceline. That's the thing. Like, I. I have been a waitress at a barbecue restaurant. I have worked fulfillment at a Bed Bath and Beyond in Avon, Indiana. I've worked at that small engine shop, a boutique around here. Had my own clothing business with Brent Cruz's father for a little while, then started my own business of social media management and then ended up at the car store. Like. But it's interesting because now with all the things that I do manage at the car store, it's literally all of those things that I have done in all those different jobs.
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Kenny Wallace
That was my question. You could have went to college, but the real school, what you're doing at the Cars Tour is, you know, it's very important. I guess that's what we're saying, though. Those are real life experiences. Have they helped you?
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Carson Ellage
Absolutely. I. It's really funny how directly they correlate, like, with coming into Cars Tour and managing our merchandise. Okay. I did that when I had Raceline. So I have a touch and. No into that. And just through, like, Bed Bath and Beyond in the boutiques and the waitress, just dealing with people and learning how to communicate and dealing with money and just all of those things that in the moment, yeah, it felt like I was 17 working at a Podunk barbecue restaurant and what the heck? But I'm super thankful that I did. Like, I still talk about that job and things that I learned there and fun that I had. It's. Even though in the moment it might not feel like it is tied to something, there will be one day, whether it's two days later or two decades later, you will realize that's why I had to do that, or that's why I had that job, or that's why I spent a couple months where I did. Because whether you think it or not, there's even something this small that you could have taken from it.
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Kenny Wallace
Now, I'm going to say this tongue in cheek, and I'm going to say this for the fans out there,
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Kenny Wallace
your mama is, you know, Kelly Earnhardt Miller, your uncle is Dale Jr. Don't they just hand you money?
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Carson Ellage
Oh, yeah. Don't you know that's the word on the street? That's the word on the street. No. In all seriousness, I will say I will never stand out here and deny that I am incredibly lucky and deny that I couldn't choose that I was born into this family. But I can be thankful that I am, and I can be grateful and approach that humbly. And, I mean, my. My favorite thing to say to kids in elementary school where they were like, well, just ask your uncle for money. I'm like, do you ask your uncle for money? Because I can't. And does your uncle fund your life if he's the rich one and not your parents? Like, I don't think that's really how that works. So, yeah, I mean, I hear that all the time. I will say I've been really lucky and I've been fortunate, and I would not have this house that I'm sitting in if it weren't for my mom's help. And there's a lot of. Lot of things in situations that I end up in that I wouldn't be able to be in typically, but. But I don't let that slip by me. You know, I'm thankful for that. And I try to capitalize on those moments, because you never know when the next one will be, and you never know when it could be taken away from you. And so I. I've been fortunate, and they've taught me a lot, and. And taught me the value of money. That's the thing. I mean, yes, my parents help me, but I think a lot of parents help their kids, right? I mean, if everybody needs to, you would absolutely help your kids. And so those things, you kind of just roll off your back. But, I mean, they have taught us the value of money and the value of hard work. I mean, it wasn't when I came back from college, it was, you're gonna get a job, and you're paying for your rent, your life, this. If as long as you're in school, they were gonna help us, but the second that we got out of school, it was, you got to figure it out. And that's. That's what has happened. And of course, they're never gonna let us fail. They're always gonna be there to fall back on. But my siblings and I don't get to carry that around as a safety net, if that makes sense.
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Kenny Wallace
Yeah. So my big brother is Rusty Wallace, and you know, my dad, the great Russ Wallace. My dad won a Lot. But Rusty made us famous, and I'm Rusty's brother, so I'm kind of setting the stage here, and I want to know how you feel. I walked into your uncle's motorhome at Atlanta long time ago. Dale Earnhardt Jr. I walked up in her and I. And we're just kind of hanging out. And I said, junior, I said, you are so famous, just in my Kenny Wallace way. And he looked at me. He gave this brilliant answer. He looked at me dead serious. He goes, I can't help it. And it was so provocative. So I'm asking you the same thing, you know, you can't help how you're born. And when I see people go, you know, Michael Andretti, you know, his dad's Mario, or, you know, on and on, I can't help that my brother's Rusty. You can help. What do we do?
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Carson Ellage
You don't get bored. And then you don't get to say, I really not this one. Pass me to the next one. Like, you get what you get, and you don't pitch a fit. And I. Yeah, I'm like, I realize that. And I. Great. I'm not going to. The thing I always want to tell people is I'm like, put yourself in my shoes for a second. If your parents were offering XYZ to buy you xyz, would you say, no?
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Kenny Wallace
No, I want to be poor because everybody's mad at me. Because then. Because I need.
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Carson Ellage
Whatever.
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Angie Hicks
I'll.
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Carson Ellage
I'll cry on my couch. That's paid for. That's fine.
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Kenny Wallace
But, yeah, okay. Good stuff. Sometimes we have to talk about life. Provocative. You know, people are just like, well, no wonder he's winning everything his mom and dad got money. It's like. It's like Jeff Gordon said. He goes, yep, I had good race cars, good crew chiefs, but the last time I looked around, I was the only one in the car.
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Carson Ellage
Exactly.
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Kenny Wallace
All right. We talked about the cars tour, and, you know, it looks like also. And I really liked it. I saw this quick little video a day or two ago of you rapping to a song, and I loved it. Oh, yeah. I mean, I'm an Ella fella. I mean, I. I like Ella Langley, and.
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Carson Ellage
Oh, you're an Ella fella.
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Kenny Wallace
Oh, yeah, man. I could just. I don't know what it is. It's whatever's in that. There must be drugs in that music, because all of us men were like. And it's not that she's.
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Carson Ellage
I mean, yes, she's beautiful, but there's just something mesmerizing about her.
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Kenny Wallace
That music, too, though, I think guys can relate to it. So, I mean, you have fun on the Cars tour. I mean, people like you.
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Carson Ellage
We have a, we have a good time on the course. We have a really good time. And that's like, my favorite thing about it is we. It's not, you're not up to that level of, like, the big three series where everything is so serious and corporate. Corporate. And so by the book. And so I feel like we just are lucky to still have all of those raw personalities in one place. And it, it makes for a fun time.
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Kenny Wallace
So listen up, everyone. We're talking to Carson Ellage. Go to her Instagram. What is your. Is it just Carson Ellage?
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Carson Ellage
It's KLH3.
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Kenny Wallace
Yeah. Follow her. She's fun. She's fun. Okay, let's move on to Dirty Mo Media. You are there. You got a couple shows you do, and I think the reason that you do those shows is because you're good at it. You are very good at it. I'm going to start a door bumper clear first. It seems like you don't do a lot of talking, but when you do talk, it's good. I remember you giving your opinion.
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Carson Ellage
When I can get my words in. Yes. With the two of those.
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Kenny Wallace
How are you that patient? I'd be saying, shut up, let me talk and edit that out if you don't like it.
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Carson Ellage
Yeah, that's. Honestly, I might need to credit my. You might have just taught me something really quick. I need to credit my amount of patience growth to door bumper clear and Tommy and Freddie. But no, I mean, I'm kind of there as the host just to kind of guide them through and tee them up with topics and kind of poke them a little bit on certain stuff. The struggle for me to offer opinions sometimes is just because when we're car store racing on the same weekends, it's really hard for me to pay attention to what's going on in NASCAR and everything. So those are probably the days that I'm more quiet. But also, you know me, and if I got something to say, I'm gonna say it.
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Kenny Wallace
Yeah, you really do. Okay, so Rare Breeds with Caitlyn Waltrip. I, I, I love it. I watch it.
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Carson Ellage
Listener.
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Kenny Wallace
Well, sure I am. Because, you know, it's, it's, it's kind of like, you know, Amy Earnhardt, Dale Junior's wife. You know, they got, bless your heart. It's like, oh, let's, let's create this show. It all of a sudden ends up
- [30:59]
Carson Ellage
Being a hit, it's like up and having a fun time. Not talking about racing, just shooting the
- [31:06]
Kenny Wallace
real life, real life stories. It just can't be racing. I mean, I'll put some stuff out there and it's like, oh, my God, look at the responses to something that doesn't have anything to do with racing.
- [31:18]
Carson Ellage
Yeah, Yeah. I think one thing, like, in this day and age, people are kind of just yearning to see things that they don't think that they would get to see otherwise. I mean, I even see that in our cars, tour content, and even the stuff that I personally post when I post a random Instagram story video that I just decided to take and post up right then and there, does 10 times better than anything I could plan out. Like, it's just the realities of people that everyone wants to see because this whole world is just full of so many robots and people that are trained to be a certain way. And people are just like yearning for realness, I think. And more than ever in this era
- [31:56]
Kenny Wallace
of life, you know, Carson, they say the best laid plans are the ones that are not planned. It's, it's like I do this little coffee with Kenny with my cell phone. I just put it up.
- [32:07]
Carson Ellage
Yep.
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Kenny Wallace
And, and my YouTube manager, Charlie, he goes, herman, he says, it's really sad to say, he says, but that's the, that's the biggest thing we got going. I mean, we, I, I can go to, I can be part of Dirty Mo Media and be part of Dale Jr. And Tiff and Mike Davis. But that little old coffee with Kenny, I don't know if it's because it's in the morning, but. Yeah, you're finding that too, is my point.
- [32:32]
Carson Ellage
Yeah, everybody just wants, I mean, they feel like they're sitting there on the phone with you drinking your coffee. Like, that's what those feel like to watch. And that's why people enjoy it. I think it just feels like you're sitting right there with that person or right in that situation with that person.
- [32:48]
Kenny Wallace
You have that content, is what I'm trying to say. Just comparing with you, my point is, is we don't plan these things. And it's like, what, you like that, huh?
- [32:58]
Carson Ellage
So, you know, you're like being myself. You guys like that.
- [33:01]
Kenny Wallace
Okay. Yeah.
- [33:02]
Carson Ellage
Right.
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Kenny Wallace
I, you know, I, I read the comment section on that rap you did. It just came out. You know, it's like, okay, we don't, we know she's wild, but we don't see this. Wow, great vibe.
- [33:15]
Carson Ellage
Yeah. That video went nuts. And I Literally just threw it up there because I thought I liked watching it and I thought it was.
- [33:21]
Kenny Wallace
I like watching me.
- [33:23]
Carson Ellage
Do you go back and do that? Do you? I will go back and watch my own stuff 20 times more than Instagram story for me to look at.
- [33:31]
Kenny Wallace
Yes, I do the same thing. I watch my over and over and over. I'm like, I agree with, I agree with this guy.
- [33:37]
Carson Ellage
Like half of the views on every tick tock I post are me.
- [33:40]
Dale Earnhardt Jr.
Yes.
- [33:42]
Kenny Wallace
Hell yes.
- [33:43]
Carson Ellage
You gotta be your biggest fan if nobody else will.
- [33:46]
Kenny Wallace
Yeah. Caitlin Waltrip, you know, we've talked about you being at Dirty Mo Media and Door Bumper Clear and you know, Freddie and Kraft and Tommy Baldwin. Caitlin Waltrip, did you grow up together? Tell me your relationship.
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Carson Ellage
Yeah, so Caitlyn and I, our families met, our moms met. What were those big, I forget what it was called. The big two tower matching hotels on Daytona beach way back in the early days.
- [34:16]
Kenny Wallace
Hilton.
- [34:17]
Carson Ellage
Okay. Mini golf course and all that stuff.
- [34:21]
Kenny Wallace
Yeah, that's the Hilton.
- [34:23]
Carson Ellage
So we would stay there every year, my mom, myself going down there. And then at the time, Caitlin's mom Lori was with Michael. And so they were all traveling down there, Daytona every year. And we ended up meeting while we were all staying at this same hotel because Caitlin's younger sister was my age. So growing up, I was actually mostly always closer with Caitlin's younger sister because our moms met on the beach that day and they have been best friends ever since and so have all of us girls. I spent almost every weekend of my childhood at Caitlin's parents at the pool. And there was one time that me and the youngest sister took a wagon of beer because their house was backed up to the Mooresville golf course. And me and the youngest took a wagon of beer up to the whatever hole their house backed up to on the golf course for like a dollar. And our moms, they didn't realize what we were doing until we came back and asked for more beer because we ran out. Like we, we sold every beer that they had for their pool day. But anyways, so we all just kind of grew up together. And it wasn't until, I would say a handful of years ago when I moved back here after college that Caitlin and I got a lot closer and have spent a lot more time together than we had growing up. We kind of just went. We were always in different phases of life because she's 10 years older than I am. So, you know, when I was five and she was 15, having fun with her friends, she didn't want me and Kylie around and things like that. So just in our older age, we've gotten closer and that's actually been really beautiful to have and a great friendship to have because there's a lot of similarities in how we grew up or feelings that we have now because of the industry that we grew up in with her being Michael's daughter and just our relation to the Earnhardt family. Now we're able to like talk about those things as adults and help each other through them. And it's been a really beautiful evolution of our friendship from the time we all met back 20 some years ago.
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- [37:41]
Kenny Wallace
I do believe we've got to get just a touch older to relate. Like you said you couldn't relate, you know, years ago because it was 10 year different. Now, now that you're a lady, okay, 10 years is not that big of a deal. Now I'm on, I'm on the same subject matter here, but when I was listening to you, I said, boy, I saw this picture and it really struck me. Okay, now we've talked about you being on Cars tour, Dirty Mo Media. Listen up everybody. This airs in two places. Dirty Mo Media Podcast. And you're not going to be able to see this picture that I'm going to put up. But you will on Kenny Wallace YouTube show. This screams volumes for me and it's very heartfelt. I'm going to show you this picture and I want you to comment on that, that is your Uncle Dale give me bad words.
- [38:34]
Carson Ellage
I think in that picture, that was the era he used to teach me bad words.
- [38:39]
Kenny Wallace
There he is. He could have been in victory Lane. You, obviously you can't remember that. You're a baby. You got a sucker in your mouth. But I mean, you know, for everybody on the Kenny Walsh YouTube show, look at that. There she is. And that's the way she grew up. You know, it's a what? And I haven't asked you this yet because it's all about you. And I respect you because you, you're a great race car driver. You're becoming like your mama, you know, hyper as hell like me. But what is it? So people say, you know, you're spoiled because your brother Rusty. But what is it like? Because I gotta ask this, what is it like being Dale Junior's you know, niece?
- [39:30]
Carson Ellage
Pretty regular. And I think, I mean, besides the
- [39:33]
Kenny Wallace
obvious, is he mean?
- [39:36]
Carson Ellage
He's not mean. He's quiet. You know him, he's a quiet guy. I would say that in all honesty, when we were younger and we all know Dale's early era of his racing career and single guy living his life, all the things probably didn't really have give to about his sister's two young kids, you know, like, I mean, how is he going to relate to us kids in that era of life, you know? And the older Wilson, I love that.
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Kenny Wallace
Oh, Wilson. The ball.
- [40:11]
Carson Ellage
The Tom Hanks movie.
- [40:12]
Angie Hicks
Yeah.
- [40:13]
Kenny Wallace
Yes, Wilson. Yeah, the ball's leaving.
- [40:17]
Carson Ellage
Literally. But I think as. As soon as Amy entered his life, that's when I think a lot of people say everything changed, but especially for me as a kid, real like, that's when I feel like I got to start hanging out with my uncle more or spending with my uncle more and having things to relate over. And once I, you know, was 16, 17 and had my license, we started bonding over music. And I look back and it was never. It's not him as a person. Right. It's not that he didn't want anything to do with us as nieces or whatever. It's not a single thing about his character. It was literally just the way that life was shaking out and the kind of human that he is to where it just took longer for us to find things that we connected over and bonded over. And wasn't necessarily super easy just to sit down and play with a three year old, but it's easy to bond over music with me at the age of 16. So I am really super grateful for how Our relationship has grown, and working with the cars tour, too, has really helped that. But to have him as my uncle is pretty. Pretty regular. Besides, some of the cool stuff we get to do, you know, as a person and as time we spend together and family time together, it's just like any other families would be.
- [41:37]
Kenny Wallace
So I want to share one more. You know, Charlie Marlowe, he's. He runs this whole show, but he'll drop these pictures in. But my redneck ass has got to do this one more. This is when you're grown up.
- [41:53]
Carson Ellage
Yeah.
- [41:53]
Kenny Wallace
And he. And he's still showing you a little bit of love.
- [41:56]
Carson Ellage
Yep.
- [41:56]
Kenny Wallace
Tell me about this picture. She's got her fire suit on, everybody. She's got her.
- [42:01]
Carson Ellage
This weekend was really fun because it was the first. So I had moved to Indianapolis for college in May of that year, and that was at the BC 39 at the Indianapolis Motor Speedway dirt track. And we were racing the same week that the Brickyard was. And so Dale was in town, like, bus was parked. He could come to my. And also at the same. Same time frame of the year. Isla, his oldest daughter, had just been born in May, So this was one of the early times that I was going to get to see her as well. So I remember that him coming to watch me race out there that weekend, and then the rest of the weekend, I think I went back over to their bus every single day so that I could see Amy and Isla and spend time with them. And I remember that feeling so cool. Because I was 17. I'm living on my own in Indianapolis, and I'm visiting with my family, like, on my own. Like, this is something that. Like, I just remember that weekend being really cool and that time spent with
- [42:58]
Kenny Wallace
them being really cool and him putting the effort in.
- [43:01]
Carson Ellage
Yep.
- [43:03]
Kenny Wallace
To claim you. You know, this is my niece. And, yeah, that's just badass.
- [43:08]
Carson Ellage
I know that he's always been proud. He's just got his Dale ways of showing it. Right.
- [43:13]
Kenny Wallace
Oh, man. Listen, girl. My brother Rusty, I love him so much, but, man, I'll say it. It is amazing how you know, brother Rusty, brother Mike. I mean, I love them so much, and I don't know why there's so much difference. I'm like, I love you. And Rusty's like, goodbye.
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- [43:36]
Carson Ellage
I'm like, love you. I'm like, happy birthday.
- [43:38]
Angie Hicks
Love you.
- [43:39]
Carson Ellage
He's like, thanks.
- [43:39]
Kenny Wallace
I'm like, how are they born? What? Okay, this is between me and you now.
- [43:45]
Carson Ellage
This needs to be studied. Like, I have always said that I think that race car Drivers need to psychologically be studied because all of them, like, these are some of the same things that Caitlin and I and relay over talking about with Michael. Like, they all. Something happens to them somewhere.
- [44:04]
Kenny Wallace
They're like a rock.
- [44:05]
Carson Ellage
Like, they have no emotion and, like, don't. Like they. They don't want any outside stimulation from anything. And it's just like, I think, honestly, I think the best way to put it into words would be. And this is something that I think I've maybe come to understand about Dale specifically, is they spent their whole career with everyone wanting something from them and wanting something out of them. And how can you do this appearance or I want to have this relationship with you because you're so and so. And then it probably does something to you after a certain point to where then even when it's your family or people that it's the most unconditional love and wanting of a relationship coming from, like, something has already happened into their brains where, like, it's hard for them to wrap their head around that. I think, like, I don't. I think they just get so used to being needed by everybody all the time, and so it does something in their psyche somewhere.
- [45:01]
Kenny Wallace
I feel like I will add my experience the NASCAR cup series. You know, listen, we're fortunate we're born in Charlotte, North Carolina, or were raised down there. I mean, I lived there 27 years. And you're like, every once in a while we got to come up for air and go, oh, my God. We are in. We are in the area of the highest form of motorsports in America, which is nascar. And it's so damn intense that sometimes I would just want to stay in my motorhome so I didn't have to get out and feel the intensity. You know, the rain outs. It's like, oh, God. You know, we're rain delayed. And you just. It's very.
- [45:44]
Carson Ellage
Just on the edge all the time.
- [45:46]
Kenny Wallace
Yes. In that. That. That are. That. That motor coach can become a refugee. You shut the shades. And now I don't know where I'm at.
- [45:55]
Carson Ellage
Black hole.
- [45:56]
Kenny Wallace
You try to. You try to trick yourself out. Now, that is my experience. Yeah. And, you know, I mean, I remember going up into Rusty's motor coach, not a camper.
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- [46:13]
Kenny Wallace
That means two, three million dollars and. And rust. Rusty would, you know, peek out the window at me, and I'm talking to some of my racer friends. You know, I don't know what we were doing, but it was whether the kids were an mro and I'm talking to maybe Steve Grissom and Chuck Mount and, you know, Randy Lajoy. And I hear Herman. It's Rusty. He goes, come here. I go up and he goes, what are you doing talking to those guys? I'm like, oh, they're my friends. No, they're not. You don't got any friend. So from that point on, I realized not just is Rusty different, but he grew up with a defense mechanism. Everybody's the enemy.
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Angie Hicks
Yeah.
- [46:52]
Carson Ellage
I think that's kind of similar to my point of Dale is just like, they. There's always the chance that somebody could be trying. You were close to you with ill intent. And. Yes, it.
- [47:07]
Kenny Wallace
Good point. Ill intent.
- [47:10]
Carson Ellage
And I think it just. Eventually, you just put such a wall up that you're like, I don't care if you're my brother, uncle, sister, cousin, nephew, or goldfish. Like, stay right there.
- [47:20]
Kenny Wallace
Yeah. You know, Junior will watch this. We are close. I will say it. I don't care. But, you know, I give him a lot of room.
- [47:30]
Carson Ellage
Yep.
- [47:31]
Kenny Wallace
Because I know that I'm like, oh, God, I don't want to text him because he'll think I look, it's a person. You know, his daddy was a lot like that. And Junior, you know, I love you, but he just. When you thought you were Dale, Seniors, like, he. Me and senior are tight. Then a week, he'd walk right by you and say, oh, you ain't that tight.
- [47:54]
Carson Ellage
Yeah, I know exactly what you mean.
- [47:56]
Kenny Wallace
Really? Do you think that bleeds through?
- [47:59]
Angie Hicks
I think.
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Carson Ellage
I mean, I see it. Not even just. I mean, I see it with a lot of different people in our industry. I say. I find myself saying that a lot of the time, actually, is like, oh, so and so. You know, one day it's like, they've never met me before, and the next, it's like we're best friends. And I think a lot of. A lot of people. I encounter that with a lot of people these days.
- [48:22]
Kenny Wallace
You know, you might have heard it before, but when. You know, LW and Wyatt and your mother, Kelly, when they came to Sarasota for the. You know, Cletus. The freedom faith. Yeah. You know, I see your mom once so often. More. More in the last month than a long time.
- [48:40]
Carson Ellage
Yeah.
- [48:40]
Kenny Wallace
And. And your mom and myself, we get along really good. I don't know if we're. I mean, I'm an old man. She can't be my age. But. But I. I said, kelly, I want to thank you. I said, when we get older, we. We want to make sure we say this. I said, you taught Me something you said, your mama said this to me. She goes, kenny Wallace, I like you because you're a no maintenance friend. And in other words, we don't got to communicate and bother each other.
- [49:08]
Carson Ellage
But I know I love you and you know you love me and if you need me, I'm right here. That's it exactly. Those are the kind of people that you've got to be surrounded by when as you get older because we don't have enough time to be getting, you know, in tiffs over friendships at my age, your age, any, I mean, anything. I mean, there's, there's a lot of people are going through a lot of things in their own lives every day and why add to that if you don't have to? Just be chill, be there, be there for people. And I mean, you just never know what is going on in somebody's life. I could never imagine getting upset at somebody for not being there for me when they could be sitting there trying all they can do to be there for themselves, you know?
- [49:53]
Kenny Wallace
Yeah, yeah, you were on Samantha Bush's show and you know, great show. And I just, I apologize a little bit because I wanna, you know, it's like what makes people tick. And, and so some of these conversations you and I are having, you know, it's like, okay, look, there's more to Carson than just Carson. You know, she's a great racer, she's really good at everything she's doing. But it's like, it's like being a Kennedy, you know, the Kennedy family, you know, from the New York. I mean, sometimes it's hard being an Andretti or a Larry Foyt or, you know, Michael Waltrip. So it's fun to talk to you, your point of view, and I appreciate you putting up with me.
- [50:43]
Carson Ellage
Hey, it's not putting up with you. I was excited to do this because, like, there's so many, there's so many podcasts that I have sat on or done or people I've spent an hour talking to in my life. I love to have the opportunity to talk about things outside of racing or deeper into my family. Like not just the run of the mill stuff that you get asked all the time. Like, you know me, I would sit, I, I'll sit and talk for hours and hours and hours about what makes me. I mean, I'll end up talking about the moon and the conspiracy theory. I'll go full woo woo crazy. But like, I just, I really love any opportunity like this to sit down and just be real and like talk about feelings. And I'm like, I'm really much more of an intellectual person than all of these people on the Internet give me credit for. I'm not just a little nepo baby that's trotting around out here in my little job. I'm like, I have thoughts and opinions.
- [51:42]
Kenny Wallace
Yeah, me too. Me too. And my three daughters, Brooke, Brandy, and Brittany. When I'm talking to you, you look like my oldest daughter, Brooke. You all got that dark complexion. Of course, my wife Kim, she's a damn Indian, you know? I mean, that girl. Yeah. And. And my. My. You know, my kids surprise me. And you're younger than my kids. Brittany is probably 35. Brandy's 37, 39. But they. They surprise me to. To the point you're making in. We opened up shopkennywallace.com and I started telling Brandi what to do. And she looked at me. She goes, dad, I ran my own studio in Burkdale. I know how to do this.
- [52:27]
Carson Ellage
And I was gonna say that probably didn't go over very well with Brandy, did it?
- [52:31]
Kenny Wallace
And I slept on it overnight, and I called her the next day, and I said, hey, you're in charge of it.
- [52:36]
Dale Earnhardt Jr.
Do it all.
- [52:38]
Kenny Wallace
Because you girls, you know, then you become ladies. Yes, you do have thoughts. And. And you. You are smart, and. And there is more to you than, you know, everything. So I'm with you. And I. And I think about my girls right now, how smart they are. Brooke. Brooke travels the world as a dental hygienist. And, my God, she's in. She's over in Peru, you know, cleaning teeth free. And so that's you. That's you. You travel. Hey, are you. I don't want this to catch you off guard. I want to slow my roll a little bit. Are you worldly? I mean, are you worldly? Do you know? A little bit. Have you traveled?
- [53:23]
Carson Ellage
I like to travel. I, unfortunately, have not been out of the country. Yeah, in a hot minute. But every year, like, I like to go out west, Wyoming, Jackson Hole, Breckenridge.
- [53:38]
Kenny Wallace
That's like being out of the country.
- [53:39]
Carson Ellage
Yeah, that counts. I like to go anywhere but Mooresville, for sure. I'm working on getting out of the country. I got my passport, so I. I told Mark Martin when he was on DBC earlier this year, we were drumming up a trip to Monaco together. So maybe I need to circle back with him and get that going.
- [53:56]
Kenny Wallace
I'm going.
- [53:57]
Dale Earnhardt Jr.
I, I.
- [53:58]
Carson Ellage
You're invited.
- [53:59]
Kenny Wallace
The reason I wanted to go to Monaco was because growing up as a kid. I'd watch the James Bond. He was always, you know, gambling at the casinos, you know, with the race cars coming by.
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- [55:15]
Kenny Wallace
Okay, we're talking to Carson Ellage, everybody, and, boy, we've gone through a lot, but now we're going to switch gears. I think I've roughed her up enough about being Carson, being an Ellage, being an Earnhardt racing. Let's kind of come. Let's start kind of closing in on the end here. Yeah, I see all these lady racers out here. Good ones. Good ones. You know, whether it's Jade Evadesian, which is my favorite right now. Talk to me about the lady racers. What. Give me your opinion. What do you see going on?
- [55:56]
Carson Ellage
I see a lot of talent coming up. I really do. I think Jade Taylor. Taylor Reimer, Isabella Robusto. I mean, even. Are you. Are you teen me up to talk about Natalie Decker? Because.
- [56:13]
Kenny Wallace
No, I'm not. No, no, I'm not.
- [56:15]
Carson Ellage
I think that we're in a state of the sport where there's a lot of. A lot of good talent coming up. I think that, like, I want you
- [56:24]
Kenny Wallace
to talk about Jade Abedisian.
- [56:25]
Carson Ellage
Yeah, Jade Abedisian. I remember when. I remember her winning the junior sprint. Or maybe it was restricted. Restricted Tulsa Shootout. Amain. Like, for the very first time I ever knew who Jade was. And this tiny little girl gets out of this car and I'm like holy. And then ever since then I feel like I've heard about her non stop and I keep up with her. I love her parents. They, Kim and Ryan, they are the best. Spent a lot of time with them when they were living here. And the thing about Jade is she just I. She's got it in the sense of yes, she's got the driving ability but her mind is right. And that is the most impressive thing about Jade is like and I don't know if she means to do it or not but it's something about when, when she gets in that race car it's like nothing else. Nothing like radio silent brain, not afraid of anything. She will go wad her up a million times in a row and then right back in and try the same exact thing again in a little bit of a different way. Like zero fear. And her mind is right And I don't think she lets you know social cues or anything like that get to her because all she loves is racing. She just eats, sleeps and breathes racing. And I think that's how you have to be to make it to the top three series. I mean I think and I hope that we see Jaden cup and I think we will eventually.
- [58:01]
Kenny Wallace
You know. Do you, do you think she has a God given talent? In other words she just got in a car and went or did somebody two to her? Did or did she absorb it from somewhere?
- [58:12]
Carson Ellage
I think she did a lot of development in micros at an early age but I, in my opinion I think she's just got it. I think she just, I think she's got it and then she also absorbs information really well beyond that. You know, I mean I think she has the fundamentals and the basis of what she needs and I think she does a really good job in taking and analyzing information and feedback too.
- [58:38]
Kenny Wallace
I want to serve this up to you and then you comment on it. She came to i55 Federated Auto Parts Raceway park about two years ago for an open wheel midget race. A bit, you know, a big one. They were all there. I think they were there with the world of outlaw sprint cars and everybody's flipping and the track was in a bad way. They had put some new dirt on it and they were going through a tough period at the racetrack. Everybody's flipping open wheel midget.
- [59:06]
Dale Earnhardt Jr.
She.
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Kenny Wallace
I don't know if she knew how to do it or not. And I've had her on Kenny conversation so young at the time. I had her on about three years ago, but she knew how to drive in kind of on the right front and not bike. She, everybody else is flipping and she's never putting it on the right rear. But as she does it, I mean, how do you teach that? She would not flip.
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Carson Ellage
I, I don't think you do. I think she just is that good. I think that she can. It's, it's unreal. Honestly, it's one of the most impressive females. I hate calling people females. I don't know why I just said that.
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Kenny Wallace
Okay. Men and women, you know, I have
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Carson Ellage
seen come across the Toyota development program, or any development program for that matter, in a hot minute. I think Isabella is just as good. I just think they've taken a different route with her than they have Jade, and rightfully so, because Isabella comes from, you know, go karts and road courses and is. And Jade comes from dirt. So I think that those, those two are rocking it right now and I love cheering them on any opportunity I get.
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Dale Earnhardt Jr.
What about.
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Kenny Wallace
Was it Kaylee Bryson? I mean, she goes hard.
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Carson Ellage
She's running Silver Crown, right?
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Kenny Wallace
Yeah. And, and does some road coursing. But I mean, I've had her on Kenny conversation and I, I, here's my point. Do we have to have. Can girls be seen or do they all have to be with Toyota development? Because that's the only one developing the ladies.
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Carson Ellage
I know. And that's always. I don't get why, like, why is that?
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Kenny Wallace
Why, why, why doesn't Chevrolet develop the ladies?
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Carson Ellage
Yeah, that's a great question there. You don't see it. I mean, I guess Ford had Haley Deegan for a minute. They're gone and now they're not even in O'Reilly anymore. It's, I, it's very, it's very, very interesting to me. And with Toyota too, especially, like, they don't have enough places, people that they're bringing up through. I mean, which is a good problem to have. They have too much talent and not enough places to put it. But, like, it worries me a little bit for, you know, those, those girls as well. Like, I think that's kind of essentially what ended up happening to Kaylee Bryson in a way is like, kind of just fizzled out because there wasn't a huge next step for her to take at that time. And now she, and she seems very, very happy dirt racing and doing all the things that she's doing. And, and I think that Toyota just ends up with more talent and they have places to put people and sometimes they kind of end up fizzling out of the program in a way like a Logan Seavey or Kaylee Bryson. Like those kinds of people, you know, isn't that wild?
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Kenny Wallace
I'm gonna same subject, different matter. We go to the Chili bowl, somebody wins that golden driller and they're like, they are the everything.
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Carson Ellage
Yeah.
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Kenny Wallace
Week later you don't even know who they are.
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Carson Ellage
Yeah.
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Kenny Wallace
I mean it's like we're caught up in this little world at the Chili Bowl. Chili Bowl. And you know, it's like Tony Stewart said, he goes, herman, I didn't know there was 320 open wheel midgets in America. But, but when you win the Chili bowl, it just, it's sad. I mean, I see it. I'm right, I'm right. They fizzle out. That's not good.
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Grainger Announcer
Yeah.
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Carson Ellage
But I think also to play devil's advocate a little bit for Toyota, if there were other manufacturers and OEMs doing their part in development or taking a step in development, there's plenty of other places that these people can go.
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Kenny Wallace
Yeah. 100. Really good stuff. Do you have anything to do with where your mama works and runs Junior Motorsports? What do you know about Junior Motorsports?
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Carson Ellage
I'm down the hall from her. The car store operates out of there. She's got me on the other side of the building, two doors and then my offices. So we've got some separation.
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Kenny Wallace
She can get to you, she can get to me.
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Carson Ellage
But we're not too close now. Realistically though, it's wonderful to work inside of that building and get to utilize those resources and all those people and just kind of step back and observe and learn how to be a good leader. And watching the culture that she works so hard to keep up at Junior Motorsports and knowing every shop guy's name and knowing their wives and kids and remembering when to ringing that damn bell. Happy birthday. I mean she just is completely on it and it's really, really beautiful to witness what they have created as an environment in Junior Motorsports. It's. And it all starts with that lady right there because she is on it.
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Kenny Wallace
Do you, do you think later in life you'll go to your mom, go, mom, I'm sorry for giving you so much.
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Carson Ellage
I already have on some things. I think the very first thing I ever remember saying you were right was I said, I apologize. It was one of the very first times I went grocery shopping like on my own.
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Dale Earnhardt Jr.
Yeah.
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Carson Ellage
On my own dime. And I was like, hey, I'm really sorry for all of those last minute things. I threw in the cart and said I had to have. Or snuck in the car and didn't really need because this adds up quick. Like, I'm sorry, but no, in real, I mean real life too, there's already been times where I'm like, hey, I know what you were talking about by then. Sometimes I have to take a few days to get over my pride before I tell her that.
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Kenny Wallace
But yeah, because we're badasses right there. Nobody better than us. We win at everything, actually. Okay, so I'm, I'm intrigued. Are you learning? And I know you are, but I want to get in your head a little bit here at Junior Motorsports. Listen, my whole career I wasn't good enough. I mean there, there were people that wanted me to drive their car, but in the end I had to bring the money. That's the only reason I was able to stay in the sport as long as I was. Because like you said, I had Square D and I, I had Autozone and I had Stacker 2 and I had great sponsors. When you look at Junior Motorsports operate and then you, we, we talk about the ladies, how can they get in? And if they don't got Toyota, they don't get in. You, you look at my dear friend, you know, Justin Augar, he's got Brandt. We all know that Brandt is a financial sponsorship. And do you ever talk to your mom how hard it is and are you learning that nowadays we gotta have money?
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Carson Ellage
Yeah. 100. I. I hear her NLW discuss all the time how difficult the business model of even just like the O'Reilly series can be sometimes. And just, I mean we all know from even my perspective in car store, like racing is not a poor man's sport. You gotta, you gotta have money.
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Kenny Wallace
Say it again, Charlotte.
- [66:15]
Carson Ellage
I mean it's not. And it sucks. And I wish that we were still in the days where there was so much more. Like the days of, of nascar where there was so much money coming in that they didn't even know what to do with it. Like, I wish that you lived it. Yeah, that was the, the time. But yeah, I, it's, it's sad to witness, but it's, it's easier to understand the reality when you get to listen to conversations like that. Right? Like there's all the things in the world that I could think of to say in response to that. But it's like once you see it and you see what they're having to piece and piecemeal together to have one season for a car, I mean you would be, you would be probably very, very, very surprised not You. But, you know, anyone listening would probably be very, very, very surprised to understand what happens from. You know, by the time you see that car on the racetrack and you see that driver and you see the press release and it's all presented what it took to get there. There's a lot going on and a lot of not robbing Peter to pay Paul necessarily, but just. It's a tough business model, and it's tough. It's tough sport. I mean, you're not making money in the sport at all by any means. So without the partners, it'd be really interesting to see what it would look like.
- [67:41]
Kenny Wallace
I. I bring it up. I. I bring it up because it's just not hard to be a lady race car driver. It's hard to be a guy race car driver.
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Carson Ellage
Hard to be in racing. I mean, period. Sponsor in racing. I mean, I. I hear it all the time, you know, like, there's drivers in the car store that'll come to me, and they're like, hey, you know, what do I need to be doing to get sponsors? Or can you help me with this to get. And I'm like, yes, I will help you, but you should hear the money that I'm trying to get right now. That's hard to get from these certain partners. And I mean, like, it's. It's not the way that it used to be, and it's not. People just. It's really hard to convince people to spend money on racing at this. At this point. Just with the way that the rest of the world is going, it's. It's hard to get people convinced to spend a big amount of money on something. Yeah, anything.
- [68:41]
Kenny Wallace
Yeah. Carson, you've been wonderful. I appreciate you. What else you want to talk about?
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Carson Ellage
Oh, lord, put me on the spot.
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Grainger Announcer
Yeah.
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Kenny Wallace
Is there anything. Anything in your. As my mama would say, in your crawl. Yeah. Crawl means it's in your inside and you got to get it out. Anything or did we cover? Did we do a good job or not?
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Carson Ellage
This was really. This was really nice. Like, really nice.
- [69:13]
Kenny Wallace
Therapeutic for me, too.
- [69:15]
Carson Ellage
Therapeutic. That's. Yeah.
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Kenny Wallace
Yeah. This was awesome, everybody. Okay, You've heard it from Carson Ellage. We tried to go at everything from a different point of view. What it's like being her ladies in race and boy, you know, and we could go longer. I don't want to rough you up anymore. Okay. Remember, everybody, we say this at the end of every Kenny conversation. You can watch us in two places if you want to see Carson knowledge's pretty little face. You just go over there to the Kenny Wallace YouTube show and you can see her. And if you're on the way to the Cars Tour race, you can list her on the Dirty Mo Media podcast. And I think that's it, everybody. We're going to close out. We good.
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Carson Ellage
Thanks so much. I'm this was therapeutic and fun and I like we see you more this last month than we have in the past year. So it's been amazing and I greatly appreciate you having me.
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Kenny Wallace
All right, until the next Kenny conversation. Goodbye, everybody.
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