Las Vegas: Denny Hamlin Hits The Jackpot

Summary

Herm & Schrader – "Las Vegas: Denny Hamlin Hits The Jackpot"

Podcast: Herm & Schrader
Date: October 15, 2025
Hosts: Kenny Wallace, Kenny Schrader (with Rusty Wallace & Craig Moore)
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Overview

This episode of "Herm & Schrader" dives deep into the Las Vegas NASCAR weekend, celebrates Denny Hamlin's milestone 60th career win, and explores the culture, drama, and upcoming changes within the sport. True to form, the two Kennys and their sidekicks keep things candid, funny, and revelatory, mixing current cup and Xfinity insights with rich stories from their storied racing careers. The second half of the episode sees a comprehensive breakdown of pending NASCAR rule changes, the playoff system, All-Star race shakeups, and notable dirt racing events across the country.

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Key Topics & Discussion Points

1. Life on the Road & Racing Stories

[02:33–04:45]

• Schrader describes a recent cross-country drive to Colorado for a Federated Auto Parts event, explaining why he prefers driving long distances—even 12-hour stints—when air travel gets unpredictable.
  • "It's only 12 hours driving... the airplanes in Colorado, they said Denver was getting messed up. I said hell, I'm getting in the old Silverado and hauling ass." — Kenny Schrader [03:21]
• Craig Moore recounts the culture shock for European friends coming to the U.S. and realizing that a “short drive” can be half a day here.
  • "They couldn't comprehend that... in America, 12 hours is no big deal." — Craig Moore [05:18]

2. Weekend Racing Recap: Dirt Track & Xfinity

[06:20–14:41]

• Rusty Wallace boasts about his own recent dirt track win, navigating a strong field and the perennial challenge of racing nemesis Rick Canoyer.
• Schrader details not racing that week, letting David Stremme drive his car, and their shared experiences with dirt track chassis setups.
• Conversation shifts to Justin Allgaier's legendary Xfinity record:
  • "Justin Allgaier, 300th top 10, and he's only got about 520 total starts... that's insane." — Rusty Wallace [12:09]
  • Affirmed by Schrader’s quick calculation: "A lot. Yeah, it's not quite 60%." [12:34]
• Discussion of Eric Almirola’s partial Xfinity campaign and car-owner points.
• Standout statistical run by Connor Zillich is praised:
  • "18 straight top five, average finish of 2.1 in last 18 races. Best all-time average in 18 race span." — Rusty Wallace [14:05]

3. Las Vegas Cup Race: Denny Hamlin’s Statement Win

[17:21–25:57]

• The group gets animated about Denny Hamlin’s performance, analyzing his late-race battle with Kyle Larson:
  • "He was given Denny the utmost respect for the job that, you know, that he did." — Kenny Schrader [18:06]
• Wallace admires Hamlin’s bold moves on the outside:
  • "When Denny Hamlin got to the outside of Kyle Larson, I went, okay, this is big." [18:54]
• Schrader reflects on car handling as conditions changed late in the race.
  • "You gotta drive harder because it's just what it takes. The car, the track will handle it." — Kenny Schrader [19:42]
• The crew discusses Hamlin’s emotional victory lane interview and reference to his family's health struggles.
  • "This is the part where I usually give the fans some, but not today. I appreciate you all so much." — Denny Hamlin, quoted by Rusty Wallace [21:14]
• Humor around Hamlin's unfiltered TV remarks and cable vs. network censorship:
  • "Now if that were on one of the big networks... it would be an issue then. But where USA is a cable network, they're allowed to get away with some of that." — Craig Moore [22:04]
• Notable: Reflection on Hamlin’s unique tenure with a single Cup owner.
  • "Looks like Denny Hamlin will spend his whole career with one owner, Joe Gibbs... Who's the only one that's ever done that?" — Rusty Wallace [24:01]

4. The Big Wreck: Communication, Spotters, and Safety

[25:57–31:46]

• Breakdown of the big William Byron/Ty Dillon pit road collision.
• Schrader and the crew commend both drivers for avoiding blame, labeling it a “real accident.”
• Old-school safety advice:
  • "Keep your damn arms inside the cage… every time you lean up there, there's two more marks on the trailer where the hood was leaning. Just stuff." — Kenny Schrader [28:10], [31:18]

5. Playoffs & Rule Change Bombshells: Steve O’Donnell’s Interview with Dale Jr.

[36:03–59:01]

• NASCAR exec Steve O’Donnell’s high-level chat with Dale Jr. sends ripples through the podcast:
  • Playoff format will be changed, but “nothing announced before the end of the season.”
    • "I'm sure we're gonna maybe tweak on it. Not announcing anything is great. This year will crown a champion..." — Kenny Schrader [37:23]
  • Debate: Is the current playoffs system fair to multi-race winners? Should the title be decided in 1 or 3 races?
    • "My opinion is that they leave everything alone. But instead of one race determining the championship, I think it should be three races." — Rusty Wallace [41:52]
  • Schrader’s analogy to other sports:
    • "You win every football game all year long... And then you go to the first playoff game and lose. Load your ass up, package, you're done." [40:13]
  • O’Donnell’s concern that the playoff format may “hurt star power.”
  • Frustration over drivers publicly trashing NASCAR; Schrader and Rusty side with O’Donnell:
    • "We know what some of those guys make... and they're taken from the sport... They just need to be giving back in their speaking and their thoughts and how they represent the sport." — Kenny Schrader [46:07]
  • Unique relationships with teams; anecdotes about drivers (e.g., Carl Edwards’ first Roush contract, Justin Allgaier’s Cup years).
  • Strong opinions about balancing formats for new fans versus loyal base:
    • "The older fans, they're pissed off anyway because that's just what you get when you get older... I'm glad it's not the old days or I wouldn't be watching on Sundays...the old days weren't that exciting." — Kenny Schrader [51:13]

6. All-Star Race Changing Venues and Rules (Dover)

[51:53–54:54]

• Discussion about moving the All-Star Race to Dover and NASCAR’s plan for late-breaking, dramatic rule changes revealed days before the event.
  • "That just cost us more money. So it'll be curious how that's received, you know… Sounds like an unneeded expense." — Kenny Schrader [53:14]
  • Clear skepticism from the panel about the logic and appeal of the move.
  • Dover’s history as a venue is debated, with consensus that races tend to drag out and crowd support has dwindled.

7. Technical Rules: The 80-Horsepower Debate

[57:01–59:29]

• Why’s NASCAR going from 680 to 750 horsepower? O’Donnell attributes it to cost: $44 million to step up further, but this jump is relatively cheap.
• Schrader’s practical take:
  • “You gained 10, now everybody's gaining 80. I think it's great… financially, most of the teams agreed won't hurt them bad.” [58:14]
• Panel notes some drivers (like Kyle Larson) are less than impressed, but agree the change is generally positive.

8. Radio Communications Crackdown (Points Manipulation)

[60:23–64:43]

• NASCAR to ban radio chatter about specific points situations to prevent teams from manipulating races (e.g., "if you pass five more cars, you'll get more money").
• Schrader acknowledges the difficulty of enforcing the rule but gets the intention.
  • "Everybody's got four teams. They can change the course of direction… if they just got a guy that's out to do something wrong." — Rusty Wallace [62:08]

9. Notable Dirt Racing & Regional Event Highlights

[65:08–73:40]

• Bobby Allen honored in Pennsylvania; local Anthony Macri wins after injury.
  • "There's nothing to not like about him. He's just a grassroots racer... you just gotta respect that." — Kenny Schrader [65:29]
• Pennsylvania Posse’s continued supremacy over visiting Outlaws teams.
  • _"When they go up there, man, it's game on. It's divided." — Kenny Schrader [69:25]
• Super Dirt Week at Oswego: Matt Williamson wins Buzzy Reutiman Trophy (Buzzy still alive and racing, which amuses the crew).
• Tales of wallets stolen at racetracks close this segment.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Denny Hamlin’s Move:
  • "When you drive around the outside of Kyle, you did something." — Kenny Schrader [18:54]
• On the Playoff Changes:
  • "The point system is what it is. Everybody knows what it is at the start of the year. If you're going to win the championship that year, this is what you got to do." — Kenny Schrader [37:23]
• On Old vs. New NASCAR:
  • "I don't remember [the old days] being so great... I had fun. But, yeah, I like them now." — Kenny Schrader [51:49]
• On Younger Drivers and Privilege:
  • "They're taken from the sport... they just need to be giving back as far as just in their speaking and their thoughts and how they represent the sport." — Kenny Schrader [46:07]
• On Rule Tweaks and Racing Philosophy:
  • "You just want to race. That's all you want to do. And you're racing at a big, big level and your dreams come true. But now, oh, this is bull. I should be getting this. Now I'm cocky." — Kenny Schrader [49:00]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 02:33 – The case for driving over flying as a racer
• 06:20 – Weekend dirt racing recap; Wallace’s heat win
• 11:21 – Xfinity highlights: Allgaier and Almirola
• 17:21 – Turning point: Denny Hamlin’s 60th Cup victory, Cup breakdown
• 25:57 – Safety talk; Byron & Dillon wreck review
• 36:03 – Steve O’Donnell interview, looming rule changes & playoffs analysis
• 51:53 – All-Star Race venue and rule changes
• 57:01 – Horsepower increase expectation and reactions
• 60:23 – NASCAR cracks down on radio manipulation
• 65:08 – Regional dirt racing and "PA Posse" dominance
• 73:40 – Trackside theft stories & the lighter side

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Tone & Takeaway

This episode is characteristically loose, storytelling-heavy, and irreverent, but packed with hardcore racing insight and tributes to the sport’s blue-collar ethos. The two Kennys are unfiltered as always, but their love of racing, respect for tradition—and willingness to embrace change—anchor a must-listen for any real NASCAR or grassroots racing fan. Whether you tune in for the epic tales, frank analysis, or back porch wisdom, you leave with a smile, ready for Talladega and whatever surprises NASCAR serves up next.

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For listeners: Don’t miss the Denny Hamlin segment [17:21–25:57] and the fiery discussion on playoff changes and driver attitudes [36:03–46:48] for the most compelling takes of the week.

Transcript

[Kenny Schrader]

Morning, Zoe.

[Rusty Wallace]

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[Nikki or Bri]

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[Kenny Schrader]

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[Rusty Wallace]

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[Rusty Wallace]

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[Kenny Schrader]

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[Rusty Wallace]

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[Nikki or Bri]

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[Craig Moore]

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[Rusty Wallace]

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[Kenny Schrader]

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[Kenny Schrader]

Herman.

[Rusty Wallace]

Schrader on the Dirty Mo Media platform from the middle of America in St. Louis, Missouri starts right now. The following is a production of Dirty Mo Media. I'm looking at Kenny Schrader right now.

[Kenny Schrader]

He's a drinker in the show.

[Rusty Wallace]

I mean. Yeah. How in the world did we agree to do a podcast?

[Kenny Schrader]

I like spending time with you.

[Rusty Wallace]

That makes me happy.

[Kenny Schrader]

Well, it's all about making you happy.

[Rusty Wallace]

We're always honest.

[Kenny Schrader]

We don't know that we're not in trouble already. And sometimes truthful. What makes you. You're not a little different.

[Rusty Wallace]

You're weird too. Herman Schrader. Kenny. You look good.

[Kenny Schrader]

I slept last night. It been a couple days since. Really had much sleep. Had. Had. Last week was busy week. Didn't get to race though.

[Rusty Wallace]

God, that was really wild what you did. Well why didn't. Why did you drive to Colorado and.

[Kenny Schrader]

Well, because we had something we need to do for federate so that's no, that's no problem. It was a federated deal and I was scared. This town's terrible. Okay. Six hours from time I leave the shop to time I get the hotel in Colorado. Yeah, it's only 12 hours driving. I was with the shutdown and everything and the airplanes in Colorado they said Denver was getting messed up. I said hell, I'm getting in the old Silverado and hauling ass. So there and back, no problem. And then David Stramme drove her car Friday and Saturday night. I think we made some gains on it. So looking forward to racing this weekend.

[Rusty Wallace]

I want to stay on that subject just for a minute because it intrigues me. You know, I don't mind going up the road with you and because that's what we've done our whole life. But in a heartbeat you will say things like oh it's just 12 hours up the road and do, do you enjoy that?

[Kenny Schrader]

Not even a half a day. I was just a half a day. That's all it is.

[Rusty Wallace]

So I'm like, oh my God.

[Kenny Schrader]

Yeah. No, I'd rather I just soon snap my fingers and be there. And I would have done the commercial airline. That's no problem. But you know what's a problem would be in Denver and not being able to get back for another 12 hours or something. So hell, I'll be back home by then. So that's no problem.

[Rusty Wallace]

Well, I was impressed. Craig, would you, would you just drive anywhere? Like what do you do?

[Craig Moore]

No. So I. I prefer driving. A funny story. I've got some friends in, in the United Kingdom.

[Rusty Wallace]

Oh.

[Craig Moore]

And they came over a couple years back and we made all these plans and. And we were going to meet up in Cincinnati where I'm from and then go down to little town outside of Louisville, Kentucky. Taylorsville, Kentucky to.

[Rusty Wallace]

Is it Lou? Is It.

[Craig Moore]

Louisville or Louisville?

[Rusty Wallace]

Louisville.

[Craig Moore]

Louisville. Trust me, I've been corrected on that many times. And so our. Our buddies from England come in and they're like, well, how far is it down to the. Where we're going? I said, oh, it's just down the road. They said, what's down the road? I said, it'll take a couple hours. It's no big deal. And they. They couldn't comprehend that because to them, a couple hours is. Is for us what would be 12 hours? They. They, you know, I'm not So in America, 12 hours. And I've drove 14, 16 hours in a stint sometimes, and it's no big deal. They. They could not comprehend that. They're like, if we drove two hours, we'd be in the Irish Sea.

[Rusty Wallace]

Yeah. And Europe. Europe is like that. You know, I went over there last year and it's like, okay, here. Here's Sweden, here's Germany, and it's like, Missouri, Illinois. It's wild. Okay, that was fun. Never thought we'd go there, but.

[Kenny Schrader]

And you were a wiener this week.

[Rusty Wallace]

I was a winner this week and had to work for it. You know, I qualified third and won my heat race, which was a hard heat race to win from the front row outside.

[Kenny Schrader]

Yeah, you had to pass that car.

[Rusty Wallace]

God, that. That Tim Nash on a wet track. That guy, he.

[Kenny Schrader]

He.

[Rusty Wallace]

He smashes the gas. And I knew I had to get started, at least be side by side with him. But so then, you know, I don't know Josh Carroll, who runs your racetrack now, he's the owner. He might as well. He might as well. He says, oh, we're going to roll the dice. I'm like, right? It's like they always invert the top three. So my nemesis, Rick Canoyer, who is extremely good, I didn't think I had a shot to win the race. Kenny, he starts on the pole, and somehow I started third and passed them both and as you would say, got lucky passing them and won. And then I. I come in after the race is over, and you kind of give me thumbs up. No, dust is flying. There's chaos. I shut my motor off. Craig and I. I motioned to Kenny Schrader after, when I said, come here, everybody's looking. I said, God, I had to drive so hard.

[Kenny Schrader]

That's what you're supposed to do, you know, that's it.

[Rusty Wallace]

Yeah, I. Every time I get around those guys, I say, why do you all drive so hard? You know, racing. But, yeah, well, it's fun. They don't like me winning but that's okay. They'll have to get over it. And I keep them honest, that's for sure. But yeah, it was weird this week, Kenny, you not racing.

[Kenny Schrader]

How did.

[Rusty Wallace]

How did that come about?

[Kenny Schrader]

Well, we just.

[Craig Moore]

We.

[Kenny Schrader]

We'd been struggling a little bit, and David said, I'll just. I'll just come in town and, you know, I'm curious. I might get. Drive it this weekend. We're going imca racing up at Cedar Rapids Saturday, but we might sneak off Friday and go run it someplace so I can see how much different it is.

[Craig Moore]

I want to say I'm sorry.

[Rusty Wallace]

No, no, go ahead. Craig. You're a dirt racer.

[Craig Moore]

Well, I'm just curious. I know David pretty well. Know his wife Ashley very well. Are. Are you using one of their chassis?

[Kenny Schrader]

Oh, yeah, yeah, we've got like it. Yeah. Yeah. We've had David's cars for a long time and very happy with them.

[Craig Moore]

I remember when they started that company, and they've just put their heart and soul into that. And it just makes me so happy to see the success they've had.

[Kenny Schrader]

Their new facility up in Pennsylvania is pretty neat.

[Craig Moore]

It is.

[Kenny Schrader]

And they keep. Keep adding on to. They got so much room there for potential. It's an. It's an old lumber yard, and they keep, you know, all these buildings that they can finish off and. And use. So it's. It's really neat what they've got going on up there.

[Craig Moore]

Are they still living in the totor home?

[Kenny Schrader]

No, no, they've got. They've got a nice place. They're living up there. It's on the property. But there's a. There's a new place coming. It just decided where exactly? Yeah, yeah, there's a new place coming.

[Rusty Wallace]

One last thing about dirt before we get to Vegas. And it was a show in Vegas. You say you're going up to Cedar Rapids. Are you going to Hawkeye Downs where they put dirt on the asphalt?

[Kenny Schrader]

Yeah, which, you know, we both went up there this year and ran on the pavement a little. It's a little quarter mile. It's inside the half. Been there for years. And they put dirt on it. I think they've ran a couple times now.

[Rusty Wallace]

And it looks good. Yeah, I mean, it looks really good going up there.

[Kenny Schrader]

Corey Drips is helping run the deal, and we've had it on the schedule, like, forever. I mean, since early in the year, so. Looking forward to it.

[Rusty Wallace]

One last thing. I just got this dirt racing. I've watched some heat races up there. I'm shocked that for as little banking, the outside is good. It seems very competitive, but it looks like you're gonna have fun is what I'm saying.

[Kenny Schrader]

I was, you know, I had never run the quarter mile up there. I'd run the half a bunch of times, dirt and pavement, but I never run the quarter mile. So I was surprised. I thought it had more banking than I really envisioned it having. So it'll be fun.

[Rusty Wallace]

And we will get to dirt racing later on in the show because we know Craig Moore, so surprisingly is our dirt racer. Kenny. He knows a lot about dirt.

[Kenny Schrader]

He left us. Did you notice that? He left.

[Rusty Wallace]

He'll be back.

[Kenny Schrader]

He'll be back. Okay.

[Rusty Wallace]

Go ahead.

[Kenny Schrader]

No, I didn't see Vegas Friday or Saturday. I watched a lot yesterday, but we were racing.

[Craig Moore]

So.

[Kenny Schrader]

Tell me about Friday and Saturday.

[Rusty Wallace]

Well, I got to be honest with you. I know all about Saturday. And let's just start right there. We've got great notes and we. And we did watch a lot of it. And I'll just go through the top three things about the Saturday Xfinity race. Our. Our buddy, Justin allgar made his 300 start. No.

[Kenny Schrader]

300 top 10, I believe.

[Rusty Wallace]

Yes, you're right. Yeah, I heard that wrong. Justin Augart, 300 top 10 more than any other Xfinity driver.

[Kenny Schrader]

That's. He's been there a long time now. I wonder how many years Justin has been full time on the. On the Xfinity series.

[Rusty Wallace]

That's a lot of top 10.

[Kenny Schrader]

That's a lot of.

[Rusty Wallace]

Because he.

[Craig Moore]

He's.

[Rusty Wallace]

Yeah, because he's only around 520 starts. That's insane.

[Kenny Schrader]

Yeah, Very consistent.

[Rusty Wallace]

Very. Congratulations.

[Kenny Schrader]

Yeah. Great team. And he does a good job.

[Rusty Wallace]

We're talking about Justin Augar, 300th top 10, and he's only got about 520 total starts. Kenny, you're good at math. What is that, percentage wise?

[Kenny Schrader]

A lot. Yeah, it's not quite 60%.

[Rusty Wallace]

That's insane.

[Kenny Schrader]

Yeah.

[Rusty Wallace]

Okay. Eric Amarola wins. He is a 50th driver to get 10. Xfinity wins. Third win this season in 14 starts. You know, for. For a side hustle. You know, Eric Amaroli said, I'm going to quit cup and I'm going to go to the Xfinity series. Are you surprised that he's kind of making that his home?

[Kenny Schrader]

Well, part time home. This is playground. He's not running all the races. Right.

[Rusty Wallace]

Yeah.

[Kenny Schrader]

So. But, you know, you win three out of 14. That's. That's pretty. Pretty stout, you know, but great, great.

[Rusty Wallace]

Did I see it right? That Eric Amarola that. That number 19 is leading the car. Owner points. And Eric's gonna stay in the car the rest of the year.

[Kenny Schrader]

Is he leading or that blocked him in the chase?

[Rusty Wallace]

I don't know. All I know is that I did read that they're gonna.

[Kenny Schrader]

Yeah.

[Rusty Wallace]

Because something's going really good.

[Kenny Schrader]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Rusty Wallace]

But the bigger news is not Eric Amarillo winning. And we have fun with this. Connor Zillich lost again.

[Kenny Schrader]

Oh, my God.

[Rusty Wallace]

But listen to this.

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18Th.

[Rusty Wallace]

18Th straight top five average finish of 2.1 in last 18 races. Best all time average in 18 race span.

[Kenny Schrader]

Yeah, you know, that's. That's amazing. I mean, it's just what a. What a. What a job, you know, and you say, you know, it's a record, never be broke. But guess what? You know, he. He broke it. So. And that's saying someone in a couple years won't break it, but they're. They're on top of their deal. But even when he doesn't win, he's right there. So that's.

[Craig Moore]

Is there anybody that you guys have seen in the past that that kind of reminds you of with the success he's had?

[Rusty Wallace]

I tell you what. I watched a V8 race on racing magazine. It was on one of the channels. Those guys drive so hard and they don't wreck each other. Connor don't wreck people. He grew up over there in new Europe. Even though he's from Charlotte, North Carolina, he's smooth. I don't know, Kenny.

[Kenny Schrader]

No, that's why it's a record. Nobody's done nothing like that. Spikes a record.

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[Rusty Wallace]

Okay, let's get to the meat and potatoes, which is the cup series, and there's a lot to break down with one driver, Denny Hamlin. He showed us a side of him that we weren't sure was there. But Danny Hamlin wins his 60th cup race, moves him 10th all time.

[Kenny Schrader]

But.

[Rusty Wallace]

But Kenny, did you see the last 10 laps?

[Kenny Schrader]

Oh, yeah, yeah. And I mean, he. Working on Kyle, working on Kyle and then drove around Kyle. But the neatest thing I thought about the whole deal was Kyle's interview.

[Rusty Wallace]

Yeah.

[Kenny Schrader]

And he says that, that Denny just did a hell of a job. I'll forget how exactly how he worded it, but it was like, you know, he was given. Giving Denny the utmost respect for. For the job that, you know, that he did.

[Rusty Wallace]

I like that. I want to say this, everybody. For Kyle Larson being a great dirt racer and running the high side as good as anybody, it reminded me, and I tease Kenny Schrader all the time. I tell everybody, go to Google or no, go to YouTube and push in Kenny Schrader open wheel Midget Eldora. And when Denny Hamlin got to the outside of Kyle Larson, I went, okay, this is big.

[Kenny Schrader]

Yeah. And he wasn't even. He wasn't even. You know, you didn't see cars at the top. Top. You know, he was on the outside, but he wasn't all the way at the top. It was a little different from what I saw this this week out there. They weren't right on the fence, but when you drive around the outside of Kyle, you did something.

[Rusty Wallace]

So I want to talk about this for a minute because I, I know you've experienced this. So were running Vegas. The sun starts going down, it starts getting cooler, the temperatures pick up, and now all of a sudden, my car is sticking way harder than it did. So Kenny, can you imagine the throttle that Denny was giving that thing at the end of the race.

[Kenny Schrader]

Oh, yeah, yeah. I mean, he was using loud. It's amazing. You get some of those situations where especially mainly weather related, some of the races that go into the evening or later in the afternoon and you gotta drive harder. You know, most of the time the tracks got worse and stuff as the day went on. But some of them tracks, with the time that they start that the track gets better and you've been out there all day running, running, and now you gotta drive harder. You gotta drive harder because it's just what it takes. Because the car, the track will handle it.

[Rusty Wallace]

Yeah, that's what's wild. And I was just amazed. One more thing on Denny. He could enter turn three high on the wall fast, which usually you see like a Casey Kane back the exit up so he can get rolling through the middle. And Denny was entering high and hard and man, I was in the car with him and they had great in car shots. And I'm like, boy, he's using that headrest right now, buddy. He's digging. But okay, let's get to victory Lane. Denny Hamlin, I'm gonna quote him. Danny Hamlin wins the race. Kenny, I want you to comment on this. Danny Hamlin says, this is the part where I usually give the fans some, but not today. I appreciate you all so much.

[Kenny Schrader]

He just speaking from the heart, you know, I guess his daddy's fighting some health issues. I picked up on him and you know, he won his 60th, which he, you know, he'd been chasing that and you know, and nothing saying that he couldn't get to 70. You know, I mean, is it the way he's doing? But, you know, it just, yeah, there's a lot, a lot to deal with. And he, he's human.

[Rusty Wallace]

That's his sixth win of the year. Hey, Craig, you're kind of a, you know, media type guy. I was surprised. Now you're gonna be shocked when I say this. Oh boy, were you surprised. That network did not beep him out.

[Craig Moore]

Saying, okay, so here's the deal. And there were a couple people I heard say that yesterday.

[Rusty Wallace]

I loved it because I like cussing. Yeah.

[Craig Moore]

Now if that were on one of the big networks, if it was on big NBC, big cbs, big Fox, whatever, it may be an over the air network, it would be an issue then. But where USA is a cable network, they're allowed to get, get a, get away with some of that. Now in our case at mrn, we don't have a delay. What they say goes over the air. And we immediately have to apologize for that driver's language. But, no, I wasn't surprised. These guys are in the heat of the moment. We're getting them as soon as they come out of the car. Sometimes they're upset, sometimes they're thrilled. And you're going to get those words from time to time. We. I'm not going to name names, but there was one year in particular, a couple years back, every time we talk to us a particular driver, he was dropping every word you could think.

[Rusty Wallace]

Ryan Blaney.

[Craig Moore]

No, not Blaney. Not Blaney. And there's actually been a couple drivers like that. And we just reach a point where it's like if we don't not interview them, but we go in cautiously, we know what may be maybe coming at some point. So that's why with USA being on a cable network.

[Rusty Wallace]

Yeah.

[Craig Moore]

You can get away with that. Where if they were on one of the main, you know, if they were on Fox, you know, then. Then there would be an issue.

[Rusty Wallace]

Hey, Kenny, the reason I bring this up is because after talking to Mike Davis, you know, about Dale Jr. There's a thought that. That cost him the championship that year because Dale Jr. Says, I'm not my daddy. 25, was it? 25 points and $25,000. But at one time the word it's okay, and the other time it's not.

[Kenny Schrader]

Well, he didn't give him. No. He was. He was nice.

[Rusty Wallace]

Okay, Kenny, this one I looked at, and I could be wrong. It looks like Denny Hamlin will spend his whole career with one owner, Joe Gibbs. So JD Gibbs found Denny Hamlin at a late model stock race is the way the article reads, man. Who's the only one that's ever done that? Maybe Jeff Gordon. Has any other driver, Kenny, done that?

[Kenny Schrader]

Oh, I'm. I'm. I'm sure it's happened. I don't know about any other, you know, championship caliber driver. Jeff. Jeff. Jeff Gordon.

[Rusty Wallace]

Yeah. Joined. So here's. Here's the parameters, everybody. You start with a cup team, and you end your career with that cup team.

[Kenny Schrader]

Yeah.

[Rusty Wallace]

We're not talking Xfinity.

[Kenny Schrader]

Yes.

[Craig Moore]

That.

[Rusty Wallace]

We're talking.

[Kenny Schrader]

And like a. Like a longer career. Not like a two or three. Not like a two or three race career.

[Rusty Wallace]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm glad you're set the pram.

[Kenny Schrader]

I ran all three of my races for that same team.

[Rusty Wallace]

Okay.

[Craig Moore]

But.

[Kenny Schrader]

Yeah, why would. Why would he. I mean, now, what do they sign a two year something just recently gonna.

[Rusty Wallace]

Run two more years I just hope. Okay, look, I like Cinderella stories. I just hope Denny doesn't go to 2311 and go, I'm gonna going to run 10 races this year. It would be cool. Well, I mean I guess he could, but still that's really cool what he's doing.

[Kenny Schrader]

Yeah, he could run, he can run whatever he wants. It's just absolutely getting the funding.

[Rusty Wallace]

Boy, that's what it's all about. Okay everybody, so Denny Hamlin is the story. He wins his 60th race and Kenny, I agree with you. That's his sixth win of the year. Poor Darl. Walter be pissed if, oh, Denny catches him. Okay, I want to talk about this wreck. Kenny, you as a race car driver, I'm looking at what they did at Atlanta. Atlanta, they really, you know, they said, okay look, Atlanta is really dangerous. We're gonna start, you know, we start entering now. Not we, but you know, they got them entering on turn three now because Atlanta is so dangerous. Man, poor William Byron is just on the bottom digging and Ty Dillon says, I'm gonna pit. And I mean he ass packs him. Did you see the highlight?

[Kenny Schrader]

Yeah, it was, it was big. Oh, you know, Ty was up a little bit, but it's not like he was up. Ridiculous. Yeah, if, if Ty would have been on the white line, I mean that's some. I heard him say yesterday, said if it had been on the white line, he still got hit because William was on the white line. I heard William say, I thought our pit cycles were, was through, you know, because everybody kind of pits on that cycle and everybody will pit within a half a dozen laps. And this is like 12 laps later than, than they'd pitted or something. Sun there, hard to see windshields later in the race. Harder to see through. That's why they call them accidents.

[Rusty Wallace]

I was surprised, Kenny, that nobody started blaming Ty Dillon because, you know, I mean, I'm just going to be blunt. Ty is a good racer and he wins, but they always go to the guy that's not, you know, running good. They could have very easily said, oh, Ty Dillon. But they didn't. Nobody blamed anybody.

[Kenny Schrader]

No, and, and William didn't blame him. Ty didn't. I mean everybody did that. That's because I think most everybody figured it was an accent. Now they did say that they thought there had been spotter communication the lap before. And because of that Ty said he wasn't waving, which I'm not. You know, you wave inside the car and it's hard to, it's, it's hard for anybody to see inside the cars anymore with the spoilers and everything. I'm not a fan of which I. I complain to guys them all time about when they aren't the shark tracks, when they break and they stick their left hand out because it's easy do. Because nobody if. If the association doesn't mandate a window net, nobody runs them. They stick their left hand out to wave, which is great. But my thinking is you can't see the whole damn car slowing down in front of them. How much good is your arm sticking out gonna be? And when he doesn't see you and he runs in the ass end of you and jumps over to the left rear. Left rear tire and keeps going. Where's your arm at? It's right in the path of getting ripped off. So keep your damn arms inside the cage. But, you know, we used to stick fingers out the left side just like, hey, I'm coming in, or something. But nobody blamed anybody. I think it was just a. An accident where no one was 100% at fault.

[Rusty Wallace]

I want to let everybody know that Kenny Schrader has taught me a lot of lessons. So as brother Rusty. But those two drivers, Rusty and Kenny. Kenny, I remember years ago you being adamant to me, keep your left hand in the window. I heard you. You told me 20 years ago. And, boy, I think about you all the time. With my left arm.

[Kenny Schrader]

Yeah. Do you have a window netter in your car?

[Rusty Wallace]

No, but I want to answer.

[Kenny Schrader]

Why don't you.

[Rusty Wallace]

Touche. Because I'm a dumb. I guess I need to put one in. Did you see what happened to you two? Is that just a statement or did you see something happen one time? Somebody's left arm.

[Kenny Schrader]

I never saw anybody's left arm get ripped off, But I've seen the whole top of the left side of the. You know, from the left rear tire forward. Yeah. Get killed. Pretty much know if your arm was sticking out where it would have been in the whole process? So, no, I did not see that. But I. I know you know what happened.

[Rusty Wallace]

I got to tell everybody some little lessons. We'll just end like this. On this subject. One time, maybe it was me. We had the hood of my dirt car off, and it was leaning up against my trailer. Craig Schrader looked at me and says, get your hood off the side of your trailer. It's going to scratch it up. And I went, God, you're brilliant. It's little things like this. Everybody.

[Kenny Schrader]

Well, everybody leans it up there. It's fine. But every time someone walks in the back of the trailer. The track of the trailer moves and all of a sudden every time you lean up there, there's two more marks on the trailer where the hood was leaning. Just stuff. You always lean. You always lean the pit bike away from the trailer.

[Rusty Wallace]

These are things that I learned. Falls over and I pass on down. Thank you.

[Kenny Schrader]

Whatever. Little stuff.

[Rusty Wallace]

Okay. Yeah. All good stuff.

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[Rusty Wallace]

So, ending on the big wreck, everybody. My synopsis, my opinion is this. The spotter stand is like it's a whole new world up there from our days. Kenny. It's like everything I hear is that they all go back and forth, they talk to each other. Sounds to me like there was miscommunication up there because, you know, you got the seats, the HANS device, you adjust. It's so hard. Like you, I agree with you. It is so hard to see. Sounds to me like that was spotter miscommunication because that's the way they do it now is what I'm learning. You know, it's my opinion.

[Kenny Schrader]

Well, I can see where Byron thought, thought he just missed, missed the turn a little bit. You know where he was at. An accident.

[Rusty Wallace]

Yeah. Okay, let's end Vegas like this. Craig Moore, my buddy, give us the top 10 finish of the race and give us our cut off in the points, please.

[Craig Moore]

So the top 10 finishers from Las Vegas South Point 400, Denny Hamlin, obviously the winner. Kyle Larson second, followed by Christopher Bell, Chase Briscoe, Tyler Redick rounding out the top five. Joey Logano finished sixth, Alex Bowman, Kyle Busch. Good run for Kyle. 8th. Ryan Priest, good run for him, 9th. And Brad Keselowski rounding out the top 10. And as far as points, obviously Denny leading the points. He's locked in, followed by Larson and then Christopher Bell. Chase Briscoe is in fourth. He is ahead of the cut line by 15 points. Fifth we have William Byron, he's negative 15. He lost 19 points yesterday. Chase Elliott, he is sixth. Joey Logano seventh. And Ryan Blaney didn't have a good day yesterday. He's an eighth, negative 31 points from that cutoff line. Lost 37 points yesterday. Ryan did.

[Kenny Schrader]

Now, our point system and the playoffs, whether you like them or not, when you got three races to get it done, to see if you're going to top four, and early in the first race, you cut it higher and you're pounding the wall and you're done. Oh, that puts a little pressure on for the next two races.

[Craig Moore]

Now, I think in Blaney's case, we have Martinsville coming up. He's, he's won his share of races at Martinsville.

[Kenny Schrader]

Martinsville will be big. It'll be extremely big. Talladega, anybody on that list can win. And anybody on that list can be upside down on the back straightaway. It's just, it's just a crapshoot. You don't know what's gonna happen. Pretty exciting.

[Rusty Wallace]

So we have Talladega next week, everybody. Then Martinsville, and oh, my God, here we are. Third going into the third week of October. We got three races left.

[Craig Moore]

Wow. Here.

[Rusty Wallace]

And here we are. Okay, that's it with the Vegas race. And we are going to talk about something that needs to be talked about because it was big. Nascar. I'm going to set it up for you, Kenny. NASCAR decided to send our president, Steve O'. Donnell. So NASCAR goes, hey, Dale Jr. We want, we want to come up and we want to kind of have a mini state of the art. We want to soften the blow because we know in a couple weeks Steve's going to talk to the world about some rule changes and things like that. So Steve o' Donnell goes to Dale junior And Dale junior Does not hesitate because NASCAR wants to get this out there. And I've got it all right here. And it's all good stuff. You're not going to get in trouble. I'm not going to get in trouble, but this is big. Steve o' Donnell on the playoff format. And I'm going to say it. And then you respond. We both will. We are going to change the point system. Nothing will be announced before the end of the season. Give me your thought.

[Kenny Schrader]

Well, I mean, I'm, I'm okay. First off, don't have a clue what they're gonna do okay. Don't have a clue what they're gonna do. I would say they're gonna tweak some. I doubt if it's gonna be someone's brainchild where we're going to change absolutely everything. So I'm sure we're gonna maybe tweak on it. Not announcing anything is great. So this year's. This year will crown a champion. We can get that done. And he is our champion. And that way we. Not before he's crowned champion. Do we have people going, well, if it was a new point system, we, yeah, it'll finish fourth, you know. You know, so it just doesn't make any difference. The point system is what it is. Everybody knows what it is at the start of the year. If you're going to win the championship that year, this is what you got to do. So they change it. You know, nascar, the fact that they're open to making changes, I love that about them. You know, you don't always agree with everything, but damn if they're always trying to make stuff better.

[Rusty Wallace]

Hey, I just got to say this because I think it's funny for everybody on Dirty Mo right now on the podcast, when I started to talk about Steve o' Donnell going to Dale Juniors, and I'm setting up Schrader right now, Craig Moore crossed his hands and. And sat back. Are you, are you that interested, Craig?

[Craig Moore]

I'm very interested. I'm interested in your all's thoughts as drivers, you know, but I think Schrader's point is dead on. It's whatever the point system is, you know, everybody's got to adjust to it and that, you know, whoever does best in that point system is going to win. Personally, my personal feeling, just my purse. I'd love to see it go back to the way it was. I thought the, the way the, the point system is now was good for a while, but it's kind of wore on me a little bit. I think if somebody wins 10 races in a year and suddenly in the first round of the playoffs, they get knocked out for whatever reason.

[Kenny Schrader]

Well, I, I'm. I am. I'm interrupting. I'm sorry.

[Craig Moore]

No, you go right ahead.

[Kenny Schrader]

Yeah, well, I'm not real sorry. Okay. I. I know very little about other sports. I don't. You win every football game all year long.

[Rusty Wallace]

New England Patriots did it.

[Kenny Schrader]

And then you go to the first playoff game and lose. Load your ass up, package, you're done.

[Rusty Wallace]

We're not every other sport.

[Kenny Schrader]

Well, I'm just. I'm just. I'M just saying I think it's. I like it. Yeah. Now I understand the, the argument. I understand the argument. And that's why we have a regular season champion, because that's who that's. But I don't know who that was. I can't tell you who that was the last couple years because that's not the cup champion. That's at the end of the year, at the end of the playoffs. So our race offs or whatever you want to call it.

[Rusty Wallace]

But, but you know, I've been, yeah, I've been consistent. I've said it from day one, but I never said it a lot. I, I think my opinion is that they leave everything alone. But instead of one race determining the championship, I think it should be three races. And the only reason I'm saying that is because I go back to the championship that Kyle Larson won. He comes in for a pit stop. It's a bad pit stop. He's running second. It's like, oh, he's going to lose it. Then another pit stop came, and if you remember that Kyle Larson championship, he won the second chance they got. Then he, then he had a better pit stop. I, listen, I'm like you, Kenny. I agree with you. I'm just giving my opinion. I'd like to see three races determined. I want everything to be left alone, but I want three races to determine the champion.

[Kenny Schrader]

Did you call and tell them?

[Rusty Wallace]

No, no. And maybe I'll make a video about it.

[Kenny Schrader]

And no telling. That might be what they're going to do. Sorry to interrupt there, sir, but I was just. He's hit. We won 10 races. Doesn't mean anything. You won 10 races, that's great. You had a hell of a year, but you might not have one damn championship.

[Rusty Wallace]

Okay, we got four more takes from, from this. Okay. Steve o', Donnell, the president of nascar, thinks the current playoffs potentially hurts our star power. Why does he think that? Why does he think that this playoffs potentially hurts us making superstars?

[Kenny Schrader]

I don't, I didn't, I didn't hear that part of the, his interview. But I don't see that. You know, this, the stars are still. Well, this, it depends. Okay. We figured down to four.

[Rusty Wallace]

That's okay.

[Kenny Schrader]

Well, yeah, that's. It might not be. I mean, there couldn't be bigger stars that aren't in it that have better records because they had problems for that last elimination, three race elimination deal. They had problems in two of the races.

[Rusty Wallace]

So that's what Steve means.

[Kenny Schrader]

But, but it don't make any difference. Because even if we go back to the old way, we're not going to go the last race a year with four guys. We have had that before we went to Atlanta. One year we had four or five that could win championship, but for like, it was basically two. Third had a chance if the other two had real big problems. And he did great. And fourth, the, the other person, you know, lightning had to hit guys and stuff. It was just really messy. I mean, mathematically they had a chance, but realistically they didn't. So we're not going to have all the stars lined up to race for the championship on the last race.

[Rusty Wallace]

Okay, the next one. Steve o', Donnell, the president of nascar, does not like that. People talk about the playoffs when someone WINS the Daytona 500, the very first race of the year, well, they're the.

[Kenny Schrader]

Ones that made the rules.

[Rusty Wallace]

You know what it sounds to me like? It sounds to me, and I'm gonna say it sounds to me like Steve o' Donnell is the new president to straighten things up. Well, it sounds like he's there to fix things.

[Kenny Schrader]

I think he does. Good. But it's, it's fact. You win Daytona 500, you're in those 16. Okay. That's a long way from being in a. You're just one of those 16. You got a long way to go yet.

[Rusty Wallace]

Okay. This next one is controversial, but it's what he said, and I heard it. NASCAR drivers need to buy in to what NASCAR is doing. He feels like too many drivers trash talk them, you know, like, okay, hey, we're at 680 horsepower now. We're gonna go to 750. You don't need the drivers going on TV going, well, that ain't gonna help. And I just got, I'm very aggressive on this one. I agree with him. You know, you and I always bought into NASCAR because we were so thankful to be racing cars for a living. It does seem nowadays that these drivers just trash talk nascar. And Steve o' Donnell is saying NASCAR drivers need to buy into whatever the format is. I gave my opinion.

[Kenny Schrader]

No, I'm, I'm with you a hundred percent. We know what some of those guys make, or at ballpark, how much they make. And they're, however old, you know, late 20s, early 30s, making this much money, have nothing invested, nothing invested as far as the team or they're taken from.

[Rusty Wallace]

The sport, just taken from the sport.

[Kenny Schrader]

Which is, they just need to be given back as far as just in their, in their speaking and their, in their thoughts and how they represent the sport. Not that, I mean, I can see some guys complaining about this and that, but you don't, you don't go on TV and complain against NASCAR when that's, that's your livelihood. You just, you just don't do it. I mean, I don't, you can, you can get on there and say, hey, I, I don't know, you know, maybe we could have went to more power, maybe this, maybe that. But hell, they've been doing this for 75 years. They know what they're doing and that's what we're going. And I'm ready to go racing.

[Rusty Wallace]

Okay, last one. I mean, there's, there was way more.

[Kenny Schrader]

But hey, our buddy, our buddy Justin Algier, years ago when he was running that cup car and whatever team that was, they were, you know, we're talking and I said, well, how's it going? He says, going okay. He said, I'm not making money though. And I said, well, what are they paying you? And he told me and I said, yeah. Been to your 10 year class reunion yet? No. I said, talk to your buddies. Talk to your buddies.

[Rusty Wallace]

I'm making 35,000 a year. I got a 401k in insurance.

[Kenny Schrader]

Yeah, talk to your buddies.

[Rusty Wallace]

Okay. My favorite one is what? And I know you've told a lot, but for the people that since we're on this route. But what about. I'll set you up a little bit. Carl Edwards comes to you. Cousin Carl Edwards. Kenny. Jack Roush.

[Kenny Schrader]

Yeah.

[Rusty Wallace]

Give me this contract. What do you think I should do?

[Kenny Schrader]

Yeah, he, he called me and Roushes signed my contract. It was 10 or 12 years and it was to drive the truck. Nan Busch car, then Xfinity. And it paid this much to drive the truck. He'd only ran, he'd run Mittler's truck a little bit and showed a lot of promise. And then he drove Jack's truck for a little bit and he said, I want to fax this over to you. You in your office. And I said, yeah. He said, I want you to read it. Okay. I said, but before you do that, I said, are you at your desk? He said, yeah. I said, well, lay out all the contracts you got where someone's going to pay you to drive a race car. He said, this is, this is the only one I got. I said I'd sign that one if it was me. Yeah. And I told that story to Jack and I don't know, a year and a half, two years later, Jack stopped me in the garage area. He said, hey, I sent him a real one this week.

[Rusty Wallace]

I said, okay, that is a fantastic story, everybody. And Kenny Schrader, you do put it into perspective.

[Kenny Schrader]

Well, you want to race. You want to race, you want to race. That's all you want to do. And you're racing at a big, big level and your dreams come true. But now, oh, this is bull. I should be getting this. I should be getting this. Now I'm cocky.

[Rusty Wallace]

Yeah.

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[Rusty Wallace]

Okay, good stuff, guys. Okay, the next one. We still got a couple more here. Steve o', Donnell, the president of nascar, says NASCAR cannot have a format in place to bring in new fans at the expense of existing fans. And this, this shocked me at the end. He says NASCAR fans are not like football fans. So what he's saying is when he. Whatever they do, they want to bring, they want to get all the fans. I'm going to say it one more time. NASCAR can't have a format in place to bring in new fans at the expense of the existing fans. Yeah, well, God, that's hard to do.

[Kenny Schrader]

Yeah. But I don't know. I. I don't know what you would do that would. The older fans, they're pissed off anyway because that's just what you get when you get older. You know, you get cranky.

[Rusty Wallace]

It ain't like the old days.

[Kenny Schrader]

It ain't like the old days. And, And I'll tell you what, I'm glad it's not the old days or I wouldn't be watching on Sundays because the old days just weren't as exciting as they are now. Now, that's just an opinion, but the old days weren't that exciting.

[Rusty Wallace]

Yeah, one of my. Okay, so I given Kenny Shredder credit. He's taught me to leave my arm in the Race car. He's taught me, don't put the hood up against the trailer door. And the other thing Kenny Schrader taught me is, man, everybody talks about how good the good old days were. He goes, I don't remember them being so great.

[Kenny Schrader]

They were okay. I had fun. But, yeah, I like them now.

[Rusty Wallace]

Yeah, yeah. Okay. In this conversation that Steve O' Donnell had with Dale Jr. He said that everybody collectively, okay, we're going to take the All Star race to Dover and Dale Jr. And Baltimore, like Dover. I don't want to badmouth it, but Dover. So Steve o' Donnell says that five days before the All Star race at Dover, they're going to announce some dramatic rule changes to the car, but they don't want to announce them to where teams can manipulate and learn. They want to announce them only five days before so nobody gets an advantage. They're trying to spruce this All Star Race up. Kenny.

[Kenny Schrader]

Yeah. All right. You already take a race that everyone's not in, right? Everyone's not in. And it's not a points race. It's not a way or hasn't been a way to get into the chase. Who knows? Maybe that. Maybe that'll be different now. And it just adds.

[Rusty Wallace]

That's his chair, by the way.

[Kenny Schrader]

Yeah, it adds. Adds to the budget. And now last year, they ran that by the teams. Hey, we'll let you kind of do what you want, you know, with some things. And they're like, oh, hell no. Hell, no, we don't want to do that now. We got to cut up, you know, we got to cut up a car, a body or whatever stuff to make it legal for that. To make it more competitive for that race. Because you're going to let us do it. That just cost us more money. So it'll be curious how that's received, you know, Sounds like a expense to me. An unneeded expense. And. Okay, I remember we, you know, back in the day. Well, back in the day doesn't make any difference because we're not back in the day. But the All Star Race at Charlotte would be packed. Qualifying night would be packed. Well, now things aren't packed. You know, the race isn't packed, much less qualifying in the All Star is. The All Star outlived itself. You know, I don't. I don't know. And I know nothing. Like I said the other sports, but they have that All Star baseball thing. Is that still. Is that still a big thing? Is as big as it used to be.

[Rusty Wallace]

They do it. But no, I mean, it's like, people can take it or leave it. And furthermore, when the football season's over, they go over to Hawaii and nobody watches. So you. You bring up a good point.

[Kenny Schrader]

Yeah. So I don't know.

[Rusty Wallace]

Okay. Craig, I want to ask your opinion. Why is NASCAR going to Dover for the All Star race?

[Craig Moore]

I, I. You want my opinion? I have no idea. That. That. To me, that's one of the last questions.

[Rusty Wallace]

I'd give it a shot since you work for nascar.

[Craig Moore]

Yeah. Please don't put me in this position, but I'm still gonna voice my opinion. I'm just. I hate to say it because I liked going to Dover, the area I.

[Kenny Schrader]

Go to eat at. Sambos.

[Craig Moore]

Yeah, go. Exactly. Yeah.

[Rusty Wallace]

Go to e. The casino.

[Craig Moore]

Right. There's, you know. You know, we stayed in the casino, had great rooms in the. You know, was. From that aspect, it was a great place to go to. But, man, those races would take forever. And even when they knocked it down to 400 laps, it still takes forever. Now I get it. Okay, so you got North Wilkesboro getting a points race. What are you going to do with the All Star race? You know, maybe in their. In nascar, the schedule makers way of thinking, this is a way to keep Dover on the schedule. And with the format being, whatever it may be, you know, it could be something that works for Dover. I don't know. You know, who knows what they're going to come up with? So I honestly, I think that it's. It's. In the grand scheme of things, it's probably a good thing that at least we're still going to Dover. Even if it's. I say just the All Star race, it's. You know, it's the All Star race.

[Rusty Wallace]

When you watch the interview, one thing that surprised me, it's very clear that both Dale Jr. And Steve O' Donnell both kind of go, yeah, why are we going to Dover? And Steve o' Donnell kind of blames it all on Marcus Smith. I'm like. I'm like, wow. It kind of. It was interesting. Okay. Okay. We're going to leave Steve o' Donnell right now because, well, they had one.

[Kenny Schrader]

Other big thing and you touched on it, but the horsepower.

[Rusty Wallace]

Yes. Yes. Okay. And I was going to leave that alone, but I'm glad you want to bring it up. I have it, but I thought, okay, I got two things in. Okay. NASCAR said, President Steven said, the reason we're going to 80 horsepower because it don't cost us no money. If they were, they're going to go from 680 to 750. He explained it clearly. Why only 80 more? Because if they were to go to 900 1000. Here's the figure everybody said, even the motor builders. You know, it's funny how everybody wants to blame nascar, but NASCAR talks to the motor builders. To go, like 900,000, like, to really gain power would cost $44 million. I don't know where they came up with that figure. And the other thought is that if they went way more horsepower, that would hurt the automakers that are coming in. And he says there's new automakers coming in, so maybe besides Dodge, but maybe there's another announcement. What do you think of 80 horsepower, Kenny? And they're going to unveil it at Wilkesboro.

[Kenny Schrader]

How excited were you when you. When you gained 10 a lot?

[Rusty Wallace]

Yeah, it was big.

[Kenny Schrader]

Yeah. You gained 10. Now everybody's gaining 80. I think it's great. You know, they made a move, and then they made a move that financially, most of the teams agreed won't. Won't hurt them bad. Those, you know, won't kill the budget. So, yeah, have at it. That's good. Just make it. Just make them make the change.

[Rusty Wallace]

And I love Kyle Larson, but now I know what Steve o' Donnell's talking about. I like Kyle Larson, But Cal Arson tells Jeff Cluck, all right, Gluck, don't me make. Don't be making a big deal out of 80 horsepower, because it ain't going to do anything. It's like, here we go. You know, these drivers.

[Kenny Schrader]

Yeah.

[Rusty Wallace]

I mean, 80 more horsepower.

[Kenny Schrader]

Yeah. Well, I guarantee you one thing it is going to do. If you have a tire failure going into the turn, you're going to hit harder. You're going to hit harder. Yeah. You'll know it then.

[Rusty Wallace]

Yeah, true. Okay, good stuff. And. And by the way, everybody, I'm gonna say one last thing. And Kenny, if you got any more. Steve O' Donnell said the reason 80 horsepower is because they're just able to do it without spending any money. I think it has something to do with the upper part of the motor.

[Craig Moore]

Just.

[Rusty Wallace]

You don't do anything, and it gains 80 horsepower. They talk to the motor builders. The motor builders all said, yep, that's good. And NASCAR said, okay, 80 it is. And at these tracks.

[Kenny Schrader]

Yeah.

[Rusty Wallace]

So it's a handful of racetracks.

[Kenny Schrader]

Jack Roush would correct you.

[Rusty Wallace]

What would he say?

[Kenny Schrader]

We don't run motors.

[Rusty Wallace]

True.

[Craig Moore]

Yeah.

[Kenny Schrader]

We run engines.

[Craig Moore]

Yeah.

[Rusty Wallace]

And. And that. That. That is a great subject. My dad would say that about grandma engines. This is an engine yes. Okay. This one is controversial. It kind of hurts my heart a little bit. Somebody told me once. Now, hang on, everybody, hang here with me. Somebody told me once, you know, our dear friend Mikey Waltrip, instead of saying to Clint Boyer, does your arm itch? Maybe if. Maybe if they would have said, you got a tire going down. Maybe if. Maybe if the code word would have been, do you got a tire going down? Are your tire. Maybe our dear friend Mikey Walter, who we love, maybe he would still be in business. But that definitely changed the course of Michael Walter racing. So with that being said, NASCAR had a meeting with everybody before the Vegas race, and they said, we are not going to change or circumvent the natural race anymore. Crew chiefs, spotters, nobody is allowed to come over the radio and tell your driver what they need to do for points to change the outcome. So in other words, hey, Ross Chastain, you're. You're five points out of it. You gotta do. You gotta wreck everything.

[Kenny Schrader]

You can't tell your own driver.

[Rusty Wallace]

No. No more talking about points, period, from anybody.

[Kenny Schrader]

If you pass five more cars, you'll get more money.

[Rusty Wallace]

Well, that's code. That's code.

[Kenny Schrader]

Oh, no, that's fact.

[Rusty Wallace]

Yeah, well, my. My opinion is I understand what they're trying to do, because when you look at what Austin Dillon did at Richmond last year, he went in and just.

[Kenny Schrader]

Well, they didn't have to tell him that. He knew that.

[Rusty Wallace]

Yeah, he knew.

[Kenny Schrader]

You know?

[Rusty Wallace]

Yeah. Kenny, you're the one, Okay. I want to set you up because you're the one that's told me this. There's 15 car owners for 39 cars just about every week. So everybody's got four teams. They can change the course of direction. They can kind of control who they want in and out. If they just got a guy that's out to do something wrong, bring a caution out, hit the hell. We've seen people hit the wall on purpose.

[Kenny Schrader]

Yeah. That move Chastain made a couple years ago, Martinsville. Yeah. I've. I bet you I've tried that 50 times, but I always entered at the rolling angle.

[Rusty Wallace]

Yeah.

[Kenny Schrader]

Entered on a 45. Yeah. I don't know. That's gonna be hard to police. And everybody's. You know, I. I don't know. They can. That's their decision. Do whatever they want. I understand, you know, and I. I gotta believe Denny at the Roval. If he's la. He passes Chastain on the last lap. Now, I'm. I'm a Chastain fan, but if I got A race for the championship against Chastain or Logano. Right now, I'd rather race against Chastain. I would have. I would have been careful not to pass him. That rather had Chastain in than Logano because Logano is too dangerous. He can, he can, he can. We've seen it. He can sneak up and win that whole thing.

[Rusty Wallace]

He almost did it this week.

[Kenny Schrader]

Yeah, I mean, he can. He can sneak up and win that thing. So. I don't know. I understand their intentions and I, I like them. How they do it. That's. That's their problem. But they can keep you. It's hard to sneak stuff past them. They got. They got people listening. They. They know what they're doing. They're. They're not going to try to do something that they don't think they can handle.

[Rusty Wallace]

And Kenny, it just goes back to the good old days where Mike Elton would stand up and in front of that driver's meeting and look at all of us. You, me, everybody. And they say, gentlemen, we're not going to tell you what to do, but if I were you, I would not want to be the driver to get in the way of these drivers going for this championship.

[Kenny Schrader]

Oh, we got that meeting. Last race. Last race. Every year, if you hit one of them, make sure you hit the rest. Now that's when I was, you know, two guys racing for the championship. But if you hit him, you make sure you hit him too. But, you know, be. Be considerate of these guys. Race, we're not telling you to get out of their way, but don't be jacking with them. So there was some big dirt races this weekend.

[Rusty Wallace]

Kenny Pence, Pennsylvania driver, wins the Bobby Allen. Bobby Allen race at Lincoln Boy. And I'm just going to say right there, I've never seen a driver get as much respect as Bobby Allen has. They really liked him, Kenny.

[Kenny Schrader]

There's nothing to not like about him. He's just a grassroots racer. Beat and banged and scrimped, get by. And here in the last however many years. Craig. Six, seven, I'm guessing.

[Craig Moore]

Oh, he's. Yeah, it's. It's. I think it's been about 10 years.

[Kenny Schrader]

10. Okay.

[Craig Moore]

Since they went on the road with the Outlaws. Yeah, yeah. And, and when they started that, everybody, everybody except for that team said it'll never work. They're not. There's no way. They would break down on their way to races and, you know, they'd have somebody help them out. They, they. They got it done. I mean, you just gotta respect yeah, that.

[Kenny Schrader]

Yeah. But everybody helped them too because it was Bobby and he was so well respected and you want to help Bobby and Federated has a relationship with Shark Racing. And there are. In Logan's car sometimes we got gnome. You know, Logan a little better and I mean, what a big Logan fan. Love him. Yeah, he just. They're just good people. I mean they, they come from the right. They learned how you race from the right way.

[Craig Moore]

What a lot of people don't realize about Bobby Allen. He actually was a part of the Alabama gang at one time.

[Kenny Schrader]

Really? He was.

[Craig Moore]

He. Yes, he absolutely was.

[Rusty Wallace]

Well, go ahead.

[Craig Moore]

And I was afraid to bring it up because I don't remember the story. I heard it so long ago. I heard him tell the story. But he, he was a part of the Alabama gang. He did tip his step his toe into NASCAR for a brief period.

[Kenny Schrader]

Well, I know he was down from Florida, wasn't he?

[Craig Moore]

Right, from Florida. And he was a cart. He was a CART racer. He won a. He, he won a cart race in like Bermuda or Cuba or somewhere down there. Some crazy place. You'd never.

[Kenny Schrader]

There was, there was talk early in his career of Formula one. I mean realistic talk, not just I'd like to do this. It was like he had, you know, the carding deal was so big and he had excelled in it so much that there was possibilities of that.

[Rusty Wallace]

Hey, I want to say this. It will move on about Logan Shoeheart who drove for Bobby Allen. You know when, when Logan won the million dollar sprint car race at Eldora, we had him on Kenny conversation and we just got to talking and, and Logan like works out, runs every day because he has the, that Marine mentality. Part of the Marines, I guess his father. But man, I mean that Logan Shart is a badass. That I just thought that was amazing. Okay, so our Craig Moore that you're looking at right now, he says in my notes, Anthony Macri wins at Lincoln, had not raced since injured back three weeks ago. Lincoln win, was second race back. Found a Thursday race he could race. So Anthony Macri wins the Bobby Allen race.

[Craig Moore]

He found out Thursday they raced at New Egypt. Friday he got caught in a wreck, didn't do too well there. But then he wins at Lincoln, the Bobby Allen race. And how appropriate is it that that race is won by a Pennsylvania driver against the World of Outlaws, the PA Posse. If you're into sprint cars, you know what the PA Posse is and what they're like. They take four of six from the World of Outlaws. And I just, just A Pennsylvania driver winning that race just needed to happen.

[Rusty Wallace]

Yeah, good stuff.

[Kenny Schrader]

There's. There's no place else in the country that I'm. Well, there's not that many places that run 410 sprint cars anyway, weekly. But when. When the, you know, when the outlaws come to town, when they come to the Midwest, it's going to be an outlaw guy, more than likely. But when they go up there, man, and I haven't been to one of those shows, I need to go to one. But it's game on. It's divided. It says. Well, it's not really divided. It's Pennsylvania. You're here, you're rolling for the Pennsylvania guys. And, you know, that's been. That's one of the things that the media has played on a lot up there and done a lot to. To grow those races.

[Rusty Wallace]

I love that this. I just love the phrase Pennsylvania posse. That sounds so bad. Part of the posse.

[Kenny Schrader]

And it's.

[Craig Moore]

It's. It's. It's mostly just the eastern side of the state. You know, it's got, you know, they got their tracks. But the, The PA Posse, they're primarily, you know, you go to a Williams Grove on a Friday night and hang on, Beer Hill, there's nothing better. It's fantastic.

[Rusty Wallace]

Okay. This is one of Kenny Schrader and myself's favorite, and I don't know why I just didn't know more about it. But they ran Super Dirt Week at Oswego and Kenny Schrader, myself. We've been up there. Did it rain, Craig? Because it always rains up there.

[Kenny Schrader]

1.

[Craig Moore]

I have no idea. One day.

[Kenny Schrader]

One day they had. But, you know, it goes like Tuesday or Wednesday, whatever it starts. And I was thinking about a couple years ago when we were up there, we ran the sportsman cars or whatever they were, but Matt Williamson won. Third one in a row, I believe.

[Rusty Wallace]

Here's what Craig wrote. Was it Matt, Kenny. Matt Winson wins Buzzy Rudimen trophy at Oswego Super Dirt Week. 4th Billy Whitaker Cars 200 win. Only 5th driver to achieve that feat.

[Kenny Schrader]

Okay, let's, let's. Let's back up one second here. What's it say about Buzzy when their biggest race of the year, probably the most prestigious, the trophies named after Buzzy Ruderman, who is still racing. He's not dead. He's still racing.

[Rusty Wallace]

Yeah.

[Craig Moore]

When I saw that, I was. I. I'm like, did I miss something?

[Kenny Schrader]

I actually had to look that up.

[Craig Moore]

Because I assumed I had not heard.

[Kenny Schrader]

You would. You would think good, right?

[Rusty Wallace]

I love It. Well, that's what our buddy Craig Moore's got for us. He's got some. Did you sneak some asphalt stuff in here, Craig? Ron Silk wins fourth NASCAR Whaling Modified Tour.

[Craig Moore]

Awesome.

[Kenny Schrader]

Ty Majeski.

[Rusty Wallace]

Winchester Winchester 400 Winchester ASA days, man.

[Kenny Schrader]

Yeah, that was awesome. Hey, okay, story. So you and I, maybe three years ago, we're at Oswego and I was a dumb. And I changed clothes and people I was driving for had a lot of fun. They were awesome. Change clothes and unfortunately, you know, you have some crime everywhere now. And yeah, I, I go change clothes and I put my clothes back on. I had rolled my clothes up, set them on the fuel barrel. I come back, my bill folds gone. Out of my pocket. My bill folds car. So my wife, I, I rode motorcycle back to motorhome. Clothes were rolled up, bill folds gone. She said, well, it fell out on the way down the motorhome. I said, no, it didn't. It didn't fall out. The clothes are rolled up. It did friggin fall out. So she's looking and she's like, you're not gonna help me look. I said, no, you're not gonna find it. It's, it's, you know, someone took it.

[Rusty Wallace]

Stolen.

[Kenny Schrader]

Yeah. And. Which you'd think lost first off, but I knew. I mean, I've done this for years, you know, it's. Someone took it. Everything rolled up. So we get down to motorhome, cancel credit cards and stuff. Still pain in the ass, driver's license, everything. Next morning, Kenny calls me. Got your bill fold. Really? Yeah. This the porta pot pumper guy. When it quit pumping, he had to see what was stopping it when he was emptying one of the porta pots. And it was my bill hole in the, in the. So my wife's like, did you use the. I said, no, I didn't use the sh. Somebody took my billfold and threw it in there and they, and they took the money out and that was it. I mean, they took, they took the cash out. Didn't mess with anything else, but it was a messy deal.

[Rusty Wallace]

Wow, what a story.

[Kenny Schrader]

I would say deal, but you'd have to beep it.

[Rusty Wallace]

Yeah. Oh, it was good stuff.

[Kenny Schrader]

Oh, it wasn't good stuff.

[Rusty Wallace]

It was a great story. Bad deal.

[Kenny Schrader]

Bad deal they did.

[Rusty Wallace]

So I'm getting ready to qualify the Red Dog car at Daytona in the Bush Series Xfinity and same thing. But I got my clothes up in the Red Dog tractor trailer gone. And the thought was, was the wonderful people that were emptying the trash Cans around the Daytona Speedway. Yeah, that okay? No, it got stolen. I mean, it was gone. You know, they. Some desperate. As Felix Tabatas would say, desperate people do desperate things. They rolled, right. We were all out there qualifying. A whole garage area empties out. I think I'll just roll right up in this.

[Kenny Schrader]

You know, we've seen Ross Chastain when he's desperate. Yeah, Felix is right.

[Rusty Wallace]

All right, everybody, we have done it. And this is one of our longer shows. And it felt good. Kenny, what are you. What are you doing this weekend?

[Kenny Schrader]

Well, Cedar Rapids, Iowa, Saturday night, imca, Hawkeye Downs running on a little dirt that they put on top of the quarter mile payment. And we'll see. Gotta find someplace to go. Race Friday.

[Rusty Wallace]

And we are ending the dirt car ump portion of the year at our our buddies racetrack. Bob Sargent and them are Lincoln, Illinois. So we'll run Friday and Saturday night. And so. Yeah, that's it. All right, everybody, speak now. Forever hold your peace. What do you guys got?

[Kenny Schrader]

You're up, Craig.

[Rusty Wallace]

That's it.

[Craig Moore]

Talladega this weekend.

[Rusty Wallace]

Tell it. Oh, man, it's gonna be a show. Hold your breath.

[Craig Moore]

It's gonna be a good time.

[Rusty Wallace]

Yeah, but breathe, breathe. Okay, everybody, like we say, we just remind you all, we are on Dirty Mo Media. If you want to listen, put them earbuds in or turn it on as you go down the road. If you want to see Kenny's beautiful face and Craig's beautiful beard, tune into the Kenny Wallace YouTube show. Until the next Herman Schrader show. We'll see you all next time. Bye. Check out Dirty Mo Media on Twitter, Facebook, Tick tock, and Instagram.

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