Mark Martin’s Travels, Appreciating Larry Phillips, & Remembering Scott Bloomquist

Summary

Podcast Summary: Herm & Schrader – Episode: Mark Martin’s Travels, Appreciating Larry Phillips, & Remembering Scott Bloomquist

Episode Information:

• Title: Herm & Schrader
• Host/Author: SiriusXM, Dirty Mo Media
• Episode: Mark Martin’s Travels, Appreciating Larry Phillips, & Remembering Scott Bloomquist
• Release Date: January 30, 2025

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Introduction to the Conversation

The episode kicks off with host Kenny Wallace welcoming NASCAR legend Mark Martin to the show. Kenny expresses admiration for Mark’s extensive career and introduces the primary topics of discussion: Mark's recent travels, his appreciation for Larry Phillips, and memories of Scott Bloomquist.

Mark Martin’s Recent Travels

Timestamp: 01:38 – 07:51

Mark shares details about his recent trip to Newport, Rhode Island, highlighting the historical architecture and the oldest restaurant in the United States where his family enjoyed a memorable meal. He emphasizes the preservation of history in Newport compared to the rapid modernization elsewhere.

• Mark Martin: “We went to Newport, Rhode Island, for the second time. Looking at old historic architecture, homes built in the 1600s... we ate dinner in the oldest restaurant in the United States.”

He also recounts his visit to Bentley Warren's, praising Bentley’s enthusiasm and the camaraderie among racing friends.

Discussion on Luck in Racing

Timestamp: 02:44 – 05:08

The conversation shifts to the concept of luck in racing. Kenny references Roger Penske’s idea that “we create our own luck,” to which Mark responds thoughtfully.

• Mark Martin: “You can create your good luck, but you can't create your bad luck. Sometimes things are just not in your control.”

They discuss examples of bad luck in racing, notably mentioning Dale Earnhardt Sr.’s unfortunate incident in the Daytona 500.

• Kenny Wallace: “That’s bad luck, wouldn’t you say, Mark?”
• Mark Martin: “Yeah, Dale had horrific luck in the Daytona 500 leading up to his win.”

Mark Martin’s Current Endeavors and Health

Timestamp: 05:08 – 13:22

Mark talks about his active presence on social media, particularly Instagram, where he shares his life and racing stories. He mentions his upcoming race at State Park Speedway in Wausau, Wisconsin, reminiscing about his racing days in 1977.

Regarding his health, Mark discusses his dietary changes to manage borderline pre-diabetes, detailing his focus on reducing carbs and incorporating more vegetables and protein shakes into his diet.

• Mark Martin: “I eased up a little bit on my diet. I have to watch my carbs because I’m borderline pre-diabetic.”

Kenny acknowledges Mark’s influence on his own dietary habits, crediting Mark for helping him improve his blood sugar levels.

• Kenny Wallace: “Mark, you really have changed my life. You taught me how to eat.”

IROC Event and Historical Racing Insights

Timestamp: 14:45 – 21:32

Mark recounts his experience with the International Race of Champions (IROC) event organized by Ray Evernham. He details how Ray revived a 1995 IROC Avenger car, which led to a highly attended event at Lime Rock.

• Mark Martin: “We ran that thing, and we had a blast. It was the biggest crowd Lime Rock had ever had for that event.”

He expresses his reluctance to compete again, emphasizing the toll racing took on him over four decades.

• Mark Martin: “I don’t want to compete because it sucked the life right out of me for 40 years.”

Appreciating Larry Phillips and NASCAR Hall of Fame Discussion

Timestamp: 25:50 – 32:35

Mark speaks fondly of Larry Phillips, a revered figure in late model dirt racing, and criticizes NASCAR’s Hall of Fame for overlooking Phillips despite his outstanding achievements.

• Mark Martin: “Larry’s not in the hall of Fame because none of the people that are voting for him ever had to race against him or watched him race. If they had, he'd already be in.”

He shares personal anecdotes about working with Larry Phillips, highlighting Larry’s craftsmanship and influence on his racing career.

• Mark Martin: “Larry gave me my first job. He was testing me... He built those cars and had very little help.”

Kenny expresses frustration over Larry Phillips’ exclusion from the Hall of Fame, emphasizing the consensus among top NASCAR drivers regarding Phillips’ legacy.

• Kenny Wallace: “Four of the best NASCAR drivers in history say, why is Larry Phillips not in? It’s their loss.”

Remembering Scott Bloomquist

Timestamp: 33:06 – 44:01

The conversation turns to the late Scott Bloomquist, a legendary dirt racer from Batesville, Arkansas. Mark shares his memories of Scott, describing him as a brilliant and charismatic driver who significantly impacted late model dirt racing.

• Mark Martin: “Scott was the Dale Earnhardt of dirt racing. He ran into some tough times in recent years, but he was the best at what he did.”

He recounts his collaboration with Scott through Lance Landers’ race team, praising Scott’s technical knowledge and racing prowess.

• Mark Martin: “Scott knew the details of these cars like insane. He shared information with us, making the cars perform exceptionally well.”

Kenny adds personal reflections on Scott’s character and contributions, highlighting the deep respect and sadness felt by the racing community at his passing.

Impact of Modern Racing Dynamics

Timestamp: 45:01 – 54:41

Mark and Kenny discuss the evolution of NASCAR, contrasting the camaraderie and self-policing of the past with the current era's regulations and entertainment-driven decisions.

• Mark Martin: “Double file restarts, equal cars, winner take all... those changes lead to the current state of racing.”

Kenny criticizes the modern approach as prioritizing entertainment over the integrity of racing, likening it to "scrambled eggs."

• Kenny Wallace: “I call it scrambled eggs, buddy... everybody got same horsepower, same car. Double file restart.”

Mark acknowledges the shift, noting that while racing today is more of a spark fest, it still holds entertainment value despite the loss of some traditional racing elements.

Closing Remarks and Future Plans

Timestamp: 54:41 – 57:11

As the podcast winds down, Mark shares his enthusiasm for future appearances, including a planned visit to Kenny’s location for coffee. Kenny wraps up the episode by thanking Mark for his insightful contributions and reflecting on the ongoing changes in NASCAR.

• Kenny Wallace: “You heard from the great Mark Martin. This is catching up with Mark Martin, available on Spotify and iTunes.”

Mark concludes by expressing his appreciation for the conversation and the enduring love for racing.

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Notable Quotes:

• Mark Martin (02:44): “You can create your good luck, but you can't create your bad luck. Sometimes things are just not in your control.”
• Kenny Wallace (10:01): “If I did something wrong, Mark Martin, Rusty Wallace, Dale Senior... you was gonna make me feel this small.”
• Mark Martin (28:35): “Larry’s not in the hall of Fame because none of the people that are voting for him ever had to race against him or watched him race.”

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Conclusion

This episode of Herm & Schrader offers an intimate glimpse into Mark Martin’s reflections on his illustrious racing career, his deep respect for figures like Larry Phillips and Scott Bloomquist, and his observations on the evolving landscape of NASCAR. Through personal anecdotes and candid discussions, listeners gain a profound understanding of the passion and challenges inherent in the world of racing.

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Transcript

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[Mark Martin]

I'm doing great, man. It's good to be with you here, Kenny.

[Kenny Wallace]

You know, Mark, I've known you my whole life, and it just feels so good for me to say Mark the Kid Martin because you, you started racing at such a young age. Do you remember who named you that?

[Mark Martin]

Pretty sure it was Bob Sinecker. Oh, yeah, I'm pretty sure Bob Sinecker. You know, Bob was. Had one of those real quiet sense of humors, kind of like Matt Kenseth, you know, lot of sense of humor, but not, you know, he doesn't say a lot, but when he does, sometimes it's funny. So I think he did. He also called me Captain Crunch once, which really hurt my feelings in 1977. But I learned not to wreck so much. I wasn't wrecking. The people in front of me were wrecking. And I was hitting them. And I couldn't understand why Bob and Dick Trickle and those guys could Miss the wreck. And I couldn't. But somehow or another, after a couple years, I started missing them just like they did.

[Kenny Wallace]

You know what? You just gave me a very good topic. Isn't that something about racing? You know, Roger Penske would say we create our own luck. I don't know how much I. I mean, I don't know how much I believe that, because you're right. I mean, you. There could be a deal where, you know, you're. You're going down into turn one at Dover and somebody blows a motor in front of you and you're in their oil, and then it can happen week after week. Bad luck does happen, doesn't it, Mark?

[Mark Martin]

Well, you can create your good luck, but you can't create, you know, you don't create your bad luck. I mean, it's just, you know, some people have more of it than others, and I probably had more than my share in nascar. But, yeah, I mean, you know, I get what. What Roger saying. But I also think that you can, you know, if you just have untimely, One untimely event that you can't control, that can destroy a win or a championship or, you know, any, you know, anything that you're trying to achieve. You know, sometimes things are just not in your control.

[Kenny Wallace]

And before we move on, a great example was Dale Earnhardt senior going down the back straightaway, coming to the checkered flag, and I guess he hits a seagull or whatever, blows the tire out, and Derek Cope wins the race. Now, that's bad luck, wouldn't you say, Mark?

[Mark Martin]

Oh, yeah. Yeah. Dale had horrific luck in the Daytona 500 leading up to his win. I think he had won something like 44 races at Daytona.

[Kenny Wallace]

Yeah.

[Mark Martin]

But the 500 just would not budge. Finally, they broke through there.

[Kenny Wallace]

Yeah, I like that subject. And. And one more thing. When we create our own luck, I would say that's because I'm going to use you as an example. Mark Martin is such a great chassis, man. I grew up watching you work on your cars. I think creating luck is. Mark would make his car handle for his ability. And I think that's, you know, making a fast race car maybe, is what Roger Penske was talking about.

[Mark Martin]

Yeah, I think so, too.

[Kenny Wallace]

All right, Mark, let's do it. We're catching up with Mark Martin, and it is a lot of fun to follow you and your son Matt, and the Mark Martin archives, it's a big hit on Instagram. We all watch. We get to see another side of you, and it looks like you are in that beautiful coach of yours, bus. And you're everywhere. Charlie's gonna drop some pictures in here. But you all have been everywhere. Where have you been? That is totally different. That was really interesting.

[Mark Martin]

Oh, my goodness. Well, we were just in Newport, Rhode island, for the second time, actually. Looking at old historic architecture, you know, homes that were built in the 16. We had dinner in the oldest restaurant in the United States.

[Kenny Wallace]

Oh, my lord.

[Mark Martin]

Yeah. Almost 400 years. I think they opened in 16, 70 something. And it was the best meal we had. And we ate good the whole trip. But that was absolutely spectacular. And it was an old building. They preserve so much more there than they do, you know, around here. You know, there's old things get tore down and new, new modern stuff gets built, and that's okay, but it's amazing to see some of the old history. So that was probably. That was a fun trip. We did the Iraq thing, and then we went to car museums in Newport and saw these homes. And then we went up to Bentley Warren's.

[Kenny Wallace]

Oh, my.

[Mark Martin]

I mean, I'm telling you, Bentley. His saying is, who has more fun than us? We do. That's for sure. I love Bentley. And just hanging out with those guys. And we had. We had just a fantastic trip. And I'm off to State Park Speedway in Wausau, Wisconsin. You know, gonna have a big time there. It's been. I think I raced there. The only time I think I ever raced there was 1977. I remember going to Larry Dejan's Body shop and working on the car before that night. That was Thursday race. Thursday nights through the summer. We went and did that regular show. And I vividly remember going out to qualify that night because I went out on stickers and it was cool and a little slip slick, you know, slippery. And I couldn't believe that I went faster.

[Kenny Wallace]

Yeah. And. And I remember Larry Degence. Rusty and I were in the body shop. I just want to show everybody. Look. Look at Mark Martin, his Instagram. Mark's always advertising nowadays. Mark, I really like the way you have taken to social media. This is your advertisement for State Park. Larry Degens was a legend. I admired that he ran a body shop. And sadly, we lost him at Ekona. I believe it was off turn two. That's another subject. I'd like to go back to your Northeastern trip in Rhode island, though. What keeps drawing you back to that area?

[Mark Martin]

Well, it is the most historic. I mean, that's where it started. Plymouth Rock, you know.

[Kenny Wallace]

Yeah. America.

[Mark Martin]

And they have been very conscious of preserving the history there. So the roads, like, if you go into Newport in some of these places, like the streets are not quite wide enough for. Because they didn't need wide streets back then with the horses and the carriages and whatnot. I mean, they have preserved it. And as you see, if you follow me, what you do, you see that. I think Matt's had an influence on me to really appreciate the history not only of this country, but of motorsports, which we love so much. That's why I wanted to pay and be at the Larry Phillips memorial race there, just to show, you know, that we should remember and we have to remember where we came from, whether it's motorsports or whether it's, you know, as a country itself. You think about those, those people sailing over here on those ships for months to get to, you know, it is a mate.

[Kenny Wallace]

It is amazing, isn't it?

[Mark Martin]

It is. And it, I mean, that area is called New England because, you know, it was, I mean, it was a new country and it's just fascinating to think about what it was like here 400 years ago.

[Kenny Wallace]

So I've got some great things to talk about. We're going to talk about Iraq. We're going to talk about the Larry Phillips memorial race that you were just at nascar. Scott Bloomquist, let's go back real quick. You look good. You said you ate really good. What are you eating nowadays when you have a dinner like that? Do they got some things that you like? You know, you look good.

[Mark Martin]

Yeah, I'm. I'm eased up a little bit on my diet now. I'm not training, you know, as hard. I do exercise, but I don't lift heavy weights anymore. Beat myself up, my body up pretty badly. And I struggle with, you know, with pains from. Yeah, all those years of hammering the weights and stuff. So I had lobster ravioli.

[Kenny Wallace]

Ooh.

[Mark Martin]

And every bite of it was like candy.

[Kenny Wallace]

It was so, like ice cream.

[Mark Martin]

Man, it was so good. I, you know, I do sort of limit my carbs to a degree, but I've even eased up on that a little bit. I think. I heredit, you know, I think it's hereditary, but I am borderline pre diabetic, even though I'm skinny and that's something. So I try to try to, you know, be easy on the carbs and the carbs that I do have. You know, I try not, you know, try to have fruit for, you know, carbs, which is like candy to me as well. So. But I, you know, I eat fish and chicken and, you know, vegetables, lots of vegetables and Lots of protein shakes. My protein shake will gross, mop most people out, but I have it for effect. I have, I put frozen broccoli and avocado in my protein shake. And I mean, it's health, you know, rocket ship. So, you know, but not, you know, I, I try to get some greens every day. And I eat, you know, a lot of, a lot of vegetables and a little bit of fruit.

[Kenny Wallace]

My favorite thing about food is when I repeat what you taught me. I'll. Sometimes I go to Texas Roadhouse and I'll ask for a plain sweet potato. And by the way, Mark Martin says this is rocket fuel.

[Mark Martin]

It is. Certainly is.

[Kenny Wallace]

Yeah. I love that. You taught me a lot about food. For everybody that is out there listening, Mark, I do want to share with you that my blood Sugar was at 121, 122. And my doctor said, hey, you need to watch your blood sugar. So I, I, it was hard on me, Mark, but I quit. Coke, Pepsi, sweet tea. I got rid of all that stuff. I said, let me try this on my own. And if you Remember, way back 2012, I called you and I said, mark, teach me how to eat. And I want to thank you in front of everybody. You've changed my life. You really have. And remember, I would text you during dinner, mark, what about this? And you would go, no.

[Mark Martin]

So that's good. That's good, Kenny. And it's hard to do, especially people giving up, you know, soft drinks. And, you know, even the, even the artificially sweetened soft drinks are not good for you. And they're, you know, they do affect your blood sugars as well. So I'm glad that you're trying to do something about it. You don't want to wind up being a full blown diabetic. And so, and I don't either. So that's why I have to watch it. But it's funny that, you know, we're two skinny guys, slim guys, not what you would typically expect to have, you know, high glucose or our blood sugar levels. So your, your diet definitely affects it.

[Kenny Wallace]

Yeah. Well, I will leave it like this. My wife is, got diabetes too, and she's, and she, she got a little weight on her, but she's beautiful. And Kim says to me, with that mean look, she goes, even skinny people, you know, can, can be diabetic. So she, she's right. And you just, and you just proved it, Mark. So, all right, listen, let's move on to iroc. Let's kind of go in chronological order here. I saw you up There in the northeast. You went to Iraq. It. It looks like Ray Evernham has. Has started this baby up and. And he. He called in all the cars. Tell me about the phone call. And did you have an IROC car?

[Mark Martin]

So I did. I actually have two cars, but one I would never, never move out of my museum because my fifth and final championship was won at Atlanta in 05. And I got that car right off the racetrack. And it was a little physical. It's got front bumper and back bumper damage from pushing and shoving and. And all that. It's never been cleaned. It's got the rubber on it and everything, so that thing's perfect. But I had a. A 95 Iraq car, this Avenger, and it's been in the museum for 30 years, and I didn't even know it had an engine in it. You know, I'm just out doing everything. I don't pay no attention. Got that car. So. So when Ray put this thing together and he's gathering up cars, I called down to the dealership, I said, go out there and lift up the hood and see if there's engine in it. They come back, said, yeah, there's an engine in it. And so I called Ray and I said, ray, I'll send this car to you if you'll get it run. I don't have anybody to work on it. And he said, yeah, send it over. He rebuilt the carburetor and the fuel cell and the fuel system and changed the oil and rebuilt the brakes. And that thing ran perfect. We ran that thing and, oh, gosh, we had a blast. And I don't know if it's official or not, but I heard it might have been exaggeration. I heard it was the biggest crowd Lime Rock had ever had for. For that event. So we had a blast. And it was so much fun hanging out with, of course, you know, Schrader and, And Biffle and, you know, all those guys. But, you know, Danny Sullivan was there, and I got to hang with Danny and. And, you know, Skinner, Hornaday, you know, there was just. It was a racers reunion, and I was really afraid because Practice. Skinner. Those guys still race. Bobby Labonte. Skinner.

[Kenny Wallace]

Yeah, they're still going.

[Mark Martin]

They're, of course, Raider. And so I knew that there was going to race, was going to break out when we did our exhibition. And I didn't want no part of that. Yeah, I mean, I did not. I am not going to compete because it sucked the life right out of me for 40 years. You know, I let it suck. The life out of me and I got life now and I'm not going to compete. I don't even want to play cards. I don't even want to play cards because I want to win again. I don't like that. So anyway, everybody played night. They got going fast in practice. And I love Schrader. You know how Schrader is. Schrader's like. So they, they said, like, well, I think Schrader asked how fast they going. Well, Skinner just went up, you know, 05 and you're 09.

[Kenny Wallace]

Here we go.

[Mark Martin]

And they said, you worried about that four seconds. And Trader said, well, what did he exactly say? Something about whatever age and he's going to plans on living 20 more years. And that four seconds could have a direct effect on.

[Kenny Wallace]

Because he might read, he might wreck.

[Mark Martin]

It was awesome, man. I loved it. So he's right. So everybody behaved during the race exhibition but, you know, had cars from 70 representing 73 all the way through 2006, when, you know, the last year that they had it was a big hit. And Ray Everham and Rob Kaufman are, you know, teaming up and working on, you know, doing more events, historical events. Would love to have the series back in full form, but that's going to be quite a challenge. But the historical thing is a great draw for fans. You know, they got to come down and see the cars. I hung around the whole time, signed autographs, took pictures and told stories.

[Kenny Wallace]

Yeah. So this is catching up with Mark Martin. If you want to go in depth with Mark and hear how competition wore on him, go, go right here on YouTube and check out the Kenny conversation with Mark Martin. Mark does go in depth about how harsh, you know, competition is. So we're not going to go down that road. But scroll right here. We had a good one with Mark about a year and a half ago and he explains why he has chosen not to compete anymore. Because like Mark said, it it Mark, I agree with you because Father John told Kim and myself when we did pre Cana, because she's Catholic, he said, oh, be careful, young man. Competition will kill you. And he meant just the way you're talking, you know, because we all want to win. We're the greatest, you know, and.

[Mark Martin]

Exactly.

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[Kenny Wallace]

Okay, so IROC was fun. It looks like Ray has got a lot going on there. Let's kind of end that Iraq conversation like this. It looks good. Where do the cars go now? Do they stay there with him? When is the next event? What's up?

[Mark Martin]

Don't. They haven't announced the next event yet, but they are working on that. My car went back to his shop. Some of them may have went back. You know, Bobby Labonte had a beautiful car there. I think Schrader may, may have had his own car there. I don't know if they get them back or if they just, I'm just leaving mine at Ray's because yeah, it'll be there for next time, you know. And I'm, you know, I'm going to go participate as everyone should know. Yeah, Iraq was the crown jewel of.

[Kenny Wallace]

My career and I, and I do want to talk about that. I'm glad you reminded me because I have the note here. Mark Martin, you were by far the greatest, the winningest Iraq driver. Why were you so good against every race car driver in the world? They brought in every discipline, Al Jr. You name it. Ari Leyendijk, Steve Kinzer. But you just, and I'm saying this, you kicked everybody's butt. You won more races than anybody. Why do you think you were so good in Iraq?

[Mark Martin]

Well, one of the reasons was that I excelled at lower power cars like, like the Bush or Infinity, now the trucks. My cup car was underpowered for many, many years way and, and you know, I had to focus on handling and on momentum and I became very, very good at center of the corner speed and momentum and exit speed. My entrance wasn't as good as some people's like I was. I was. I'd get in easy, but I would set my car up. Actually, it looked loose, and it was loose, but it. It was usually a tighter setup than most. Most folks because I actually got back in the gas as soon as I got to the corner, because there ain't no passing going on going into the corner. It's all from the middle off and carrying down the back the straightaway. So I was good at that. And, you know, I like to say that you drew for the car. You know, you didn't know what car you were going to drive until right before the race, and you drew for the car. And I always drew the fastest car.

[Kenny Wallace]

Oh, yeah, right. Don't listen to him, race fans. He's being humble. You know, Mark, when I think about center of the corner speed and keep it rolling, I think of David Pearson and Butch Lindley. You and I have been racing so long, you know, that we heard about how Pearson would let off and he would end. They would say that he started getting on the gas at Darlington as he entered the corner. And in Butch Lindley, they say he never used brakes, but really good stuff. And. And thank you for taking me down. And now I want to say this. I feel a little proud that I knew you were going to say momentum, roll the corner, because, boy, when I would be on top that bush grand national holler and I would watch you go down the back. Straight away at Charlotte, you had this big high than anybody, and everybody. We all tried to emulate you, and we just. You were just the best at it. You would roll in high and go down that white line. You would just murder, kill everybody and win every bush race.

[Mark Martin]

I know you're trying to keep this short, but I got to tell a quick story about that Charlotte.

[Kenny Wallace]

Okay.

[Mark Martin]

When it was steel guardrail in the corners, you know, you would get at the end of the straightaway and the concrete within, and you could actually turn right. So I'd go down the straightaway and get right at the end where. Where you turn in? Yeah, to three. And I'd turn right and then. Then get my arm.

[Kenny Wallace]

Get. Get ready to exit that corner. Okay. Like you said, Mark, catch. Catching up with Mark Martin. We want to be careful. Some fans do want us to go an hour, but we'll try to keep it a little shorter, everybody. All right, let's move on. So far, we've. We see travel in the United States we talked about that. Historical sites, Rhode island, we talked about iroc. Let's talk about our hero, Rusty Wallace's hero, your hero, mine. Many people in the Midwest. You were just at the Larry Phillips Memorial and I thought it was really awesome because you're somewhat shy, but I saw you giving a little talk before the race and that made me very happy and I commented on it. You responded. Tell me about the Larry Phillips Memorial over the, over the weekend.

[Mark Martin]

Well, it was a great, great event. Terry was there. And when you see Terry, you see Larry, you know, don't you see the mannerisms? You see that stuff? Smart ass. I spent the whole night telling stories and remembering 1977 when we raced out at the fairgrounds. And of course every time I tell any story back then, Rusty's in it. Rusty was a huge figure in my, my life and in my career all the way back to 1977. But yeah, it was just, just an absolute honor to be a part of it and to see people and try to mind people, they don't realize Larry Phillips was a racing God. Absolutely. And you know, I know that we're, it's probably going to come up, but I can't, I can't hold back here. The reason that Larry, in my opinion, the reason Larry's not in the hall of Fame is because none of the people that are voting for him ever had to race against him or watched him race. And, and if they had, he'd already be in.

[Kenny Wallace]

And let's start right there. I wanna, I wanna prove to people this. I have my notes and I'm glad you touched on it because you just opened it up and we're going to get there quicker than what? So here it is right here. You see that right there. I said is mask it. So here's the question. The, the NASCAR hall of Fame. Now this is my opinion, but I want to hear what you say. It just seems like the NASCAR hall of Fame is northeast dominant. Richie Evans, Cook. It just seems like everybody that votes everybody that goes at hall of Fame. Now listen, I love Dave Moody, but he's just northeast. And just everybody in NASCAR is northeast, Northeast. Why, why is Larry Phillips the great one of right there with Dick Trickle, why is he not in the NASCAR hall of Fame? And you already said a little bit, but I want you to expand on that. And am I right? What is this voting system?

[Mark Martin]

Well, you know, unfortunately every year when, when he misses the cut and doesn't get in, somebody new comes into the fold and they, you know, and they're picked, you know, above, above Larry. Now your, your little paper there should say that he won something like 88% of every single race. NASCAR, you know, weekly regional race he ever ran.

[Kenny Wallace]

NASCAR regional?

[Mark Martin]

Yeah. That's not, that's like all but 12 out of 100 or something like that, you know. That's 88 out of 100. It's unbelievable what he did in the NASCAR regional. You know, I don't have great confidence that he'll ever make it in because you know, someone new comes in every time that one goes out and you know, they, you know, he's just not recognized for what he really did accomplish. And of course rest of you and I are, are biased because we knew him besides NASCAR weekly racing program. We knew that he was just, he was a racing God, Late model racing God.

[Kenny Wallace]

And he built all his own race cars. And then he built the, the, the Ed how by Phillips, which my dad had one, Rusty had one. Did you ever have one of Larry's cars?

[Mark Martin]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, right. I took my 55 Chevy up there. My, my dad did in 75 and had Larry put a roll cage in it because we didn't have. We built our first car with water pipe. And so. And then, and then the next year we went to late model and. And Larry built a late model and hung the body on it. Actually put a Camaro body on it. And so we ran that all of 76, won a bunch of races with it. So. And then in 77, the day I graduated from high school, I went to Springfield and got an apartment and Larry gave me my first job. And he was testing me. The first day he opened up that door on Commercial street, that back door, roll up door.

[Kenny Wallace]

Yep, yep.

[Mark Martin]

And there was an old Camaro sitting out there and he said get streetcar, you know. And I got, from a junkyard or something, got that thing out and don't hurt the body, you know, cut all the interior out of it, but don't, don't hurt the body.

[Kenny Wallace]

That's a nasty job.

[Mark Martin]

It's a, it's a nasty job. And I got right after it. I was tickled to death. I was, I was going to learn how to be a shop guy and a fabricator and all that stuff. And Larry, Larry gave me my first job.

[Kenny Wallace]

And my experience with Larry is that if you were worried about feelings, you should never be around him. Yeah, that's why, that's why us Midwesterners, I guess, are a little rough around the edges. I'll never forget as a little, little kid I might have been nine years old. And I'm at Springfield, Missouri, where you and Rusty and Mark went at you, Rusty and Larry, Ozark Empire Fairgrounds, Springfield, Missouri. And somebody comes up and they're just aggravating Larry for an autograph after the race. Larry, Larry signed my autograph. And he said, boy, here's the dime. Call somebody who cares. I ain't got time right now. Because that's what the phone call would cost back then, you know, 10 cents. And that as a little kid, I'll never forget. He didn't have time. He was busy making a living.

[Mark Martin]

That's right, he did. He had very little help. He worked on his cars, built those cars and. And had some volunteer help, and that was. That was the extent of it.

[Kenny Wallace]

Well, Mark, before we go to the next subject, I'm just going to say this. I. I just can't fathom in my brain that Mark Martin, NASCAR hall of Famer Rusty Wallace, NASCAR hall of famer Jamie McMurray, Carl Edwards, four of the best NASCAR drivers in history say, hey, why is Larry Phillips not in? And that nobody listens. It's their loss. And. And I'm gonna leave it right there. I. I just cannot get over that. And, Mark, you're right. It's. No, you know, I'm saying this. They just never raced again. But here you all did. And. And I knew, so.

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[Kenny Wallace]

All right, so I want to talk about. We're going to end with nascar, but I want to talk about something that's sad, but we're going to try to have a little fun with it lately. Here. We lost the greatest dirt racer of all time, Scott Bloomquist. My disclaimer is this. Before we talk about him, I feel like Scott Bloomquist had a lot of Batesville, Arkansas in him. He won six of the topless races, some of the biggest races, the Crown jewels. He won six topless races, meaning the top comes off the car. You can see the driver. He won six of them. @ your home track, Batesville. He became friends with your. One of your best friends, Larry Shaw. And let's go way back, Mark, down there in Batesville, your track, they said, we're going to pay $100,000 to win a modified race. Well, your buddy Larry Shaw built this car, and there are stories galore, but Bloomer helped reinvent this car, and he won the race. What do you know about Scott Bloomquist and that whole Batesville, Arkansas story?

[Mark Martin]

I just know of the legend of Scott Bloomquist, and it starts way back when he's a teenager, is such a character. And, you know, he did win all those races, including the. The 100,000 to win mod race, which was years ago. It was really a lot of money back then. But then my partner, Lance Landers, you know, he's got a race team, and he came to me and said, you know, I'm not doing as good as I want to do what I need to do. And I said, you need to get the best cars and the best motors and the best people to work on it. And that's how you do it. And so, you know, we determined that Bloomquist cars were going to be the best car for him. And so I went with him to Scott's shop. And, yeah, he's quite a character. He. He, you know, we're supposed to meet him in the morning. You know, he comes in about. About noon, comes in the shop. We're sitting in the shop waiting for him, and he says, hi, and he says, I got to go make me a drink. He goes and makes him a drink.

[Kenny Wallace]

Crown Royal.

[Mark Martin]

Yeah, I can sit down and we make a plan. And. And so. So Lance runs these cars for. For a year. And so I go to some of the races and so and talk to Scott and stuff. So I, you know, I have had a little bit of, you know, a closer time with. With him through that. And I just think that he's one of those guys that was so smart. He was brilliant, brilliant guy. And some of those, if you notice a lot of people through the years, through the history that are just insanely brilliant, also are troubled to some degree or have. Have some issues. Randy Sweet's one. You know, I can't preach enough to people. What. You know, a genius. Randy Sweet was. But he was also crazy.

[Kenny Wallace]

Yes, yes. No, no doubt. No doubt. Yeah.

[Mark Martin]

And. And I think Scott, you know, I think Scott was kind of reminds me some of that, you know, and he was his own person. He was the best thing that ever happened to late model dirt racing. He was the Dale Earnhardt in the face forever. And he just, you know, he ran into some tougher times the last several years. And. But, you know, when Lance was running his car, Scott was still winning big time. And. And Jared was driving, you know, that. That blue car. And Jared was. Oh, my gosh, he was fast. He would take my breath. Absolutely. He'd go out to qualify and just take my breath in that car. So we had a lot of fun, and it's a real sad thing to see see Scott gone so. So early.

[Kenny Wallace]

Yeah. And I do want to fill some. Some dots there for the fans that are listening when you talk about Lance Landers, that is the owner of Jonathan Davenport's car and boy, Mark, just for a minute. I mean, by far the latest, I'd say five, six years. Jonathan Davenport and. And your dear friend, Lance Landers. They have just owned dirt racing. $1 million. They want everything there is to win. Lance really has it going on.

[Mark Martin]

He really does. Not only does he have an incredible organization from top to bottom. Like, he's got the most incredible holler, he's got the most incredible driver. He's got great people working on the car. He's got an absolutely unbelievable shop, and he's got the best sponsors and the most sponsor dollars of anybody in the sport. And he credits me for telling him what to do. I encouraged him to spend the money. It costs a lot of money to have a Bloom Quest car.

[Kenny Wallace]

Yeah.

[Mark Martin]

You didn't even own it. You know, I mean, he's like, dude, it's like unbelievable. And go get the best. At the time, I wanted him to. To get, you know, Durham Fords, you know, Ford engines. Get the best motors and the best cars you can get. And. And Jared ran the car for a while and. And Lance and. And he decided that that wasn't for them. And Lance got. Got Davenport and the rest is history. He got all that sponsorship because of performance. And you only get that performance if. If you get the best equipment and put the best people in place.

[Kenny Wallace]

It's a couple things. First of all, I want to brag on your father, Julian. As a child, I remember your father being first class all the time. I remember his jeans being perfectly ironed. Harry Gantt. Harry Gantt had. His jeans weren't as good as your dad's. And I remember everything. When I would come to Arkansas, I would just marvel at how perfectly clean your father always was. He would come to the pit gate and. And I know that's passed on down to you. And now I see Lance is the same way. Do you think you and Lance are somewhat living through your father?

[Mark Martin]

Well, I know. I know I am. And, you know, Lance is the most special friend that I've ever had. I mean, we're just blood brothers.

[Kenny Wallace]

That's awesome.

[Mark Martin]

And we get each other. You know, we're both off the center line a little bit, kind of off the beaten path. We're different. A little bit different people. But Lance is such a good quality dude, and he likes his stuff, you know, perfect. Absolutely. More perfect than mine. His motorhome is cleaner than mine.

[Kenny Wallace]

No, I mean, there ain't no way.

[Mark Martin]

Well, in the rain, you know, I mean, he won't drive it in the rain. I mean, it's unbelievable. He's unbelievable. But back. Back to him. He's the best partner I could have ever dreamed having in those car dealerships. I mean, he just. He wanted everything. And, you know, he always worked anything. Anytime he made a decision that had to do with money, he came to me first. He said, look, I'm down. I said, lance, don't worry about it, man. You're. You're running the show. I didn't run the show. He ran it 100%. But he always clued me in on whenever he was making, you know, any kind of decision of consequence. And just such a great guy.

[Kenny Wallace]

And back to Bloomer one more time. I'm going to say what I think, and then you make. You. You make it right. So what I heard was that if you bought a Scott Bloomquist car, it was like, automatically $100,000. You had to sign a contract that if you no longer ran the car, you had to give the car back. Basically paid a lot of money, and you never owned the car. Although you tell me what you know. Scott really guarded his knowledge. Like, okay, I'm going to give you the car now. If you want to know more, you got to pay a lot of money. Take me back to what you know about that.

[Mark Martin]

So that's. That's the way I remember it as well. That was the car. I remember that. And I was sold on it, and Lance was sold on it. And so we entered into it, and you Know, I don't think he ever regretted it. He had rocket ships for cars and Scott. What. You know, I mean, he was real. I mean, he twisted his cars. You know, he knew when it was in the fixture in the jig, you know, he knew how much he wanted. He didn't want it too stiff, you know, he wanted it just so. So he knew about the steel that went into the car. I mean, it was like insane, the details that he knew about these cars. And he didn't want, you know, he didn't want that stuff out there. And he did share information with. I say us with Lance and Jared and Jason Durham was. Was working on the car then, was like the crew chief of the car. And they did share information. He did. He was good. He was good. He made it good. And Jared, you know, at times was faster than Bloomer. Bloomer had a little bit better racecraft because of all of his experience. But Jared would take your breath away in that car. Man, he was fast.

[Kenny Wallace]

I remember. I remember, and I remember Jared coming to Granite City here, Tri City Speedway in biking down in turn three, flip violently. And I think that, that. Listen, you know, Jared way more than me, but that was a violent wreck that took the breath out of him and the whole, whole grandstands there. But, well, what. What a sad time, you know, And I want to end like this on Bloomer. I want to say this, and I want you to comment. You and I are of age now. I'm. I'm going to be 61 Friday, and you're just a couple years older than me. In my lifetime, whether it's an Elon Musk or an Einstein or a Scott Bloomquist, when those type of people talk, it's like, what. It's like, what are they saying? It's like they're so different. It's like I can't even, like, where are you going? It's strange. Like, you know, do you know, comment on what I'm trying to say.

[Mark Martin]

Well, I know what you're. I know what you're saying. Some of it sounds insanity, but gibberish, like, yeah, but sometimes there's some knowledge in there that you don't. That you don't pick up because you're. You're thinking that, yeah, this is, you know, some of. Some of that insanity coming out. But if you, A lot of times with Scott, if you listen to the context of the whole thing, you would. There would be a lesson in it or there would be wisdom in it. And, yeah, there, you know, people that are, I mean, you and I are, are not that smart. So we're pretty easy to follow. But some, some people that are really, really brilliant aren't as easy to follow.

[Kenny Wallace]

Well, what I find is that when you ask an incredibly brilliant person and I'm using the word brilliant, not smart. When, when I ask a brilliant person a question, they never answer the question right away. They go back with some psychology lesson lesson. Then they get like you say, you gotta listen from the beginning. It is interesting. Yeah.

[Mark Martin]

And that's not easy for your you or I because we don't move fast. I'm like, listen to psychology.

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[Mark Martin]

Part of it.

[Kenny Wallace]

Oh, Mark Martin, here we are at 45 minutes. We did it again. So let's end it like this. Nascar. First of all, I want to thank you for talking about Scott Bloomquist. You know, and I that story is not over. From what I know there's gonna be more to come out and we'll just leave it right there. So Mark, we, we have just witnessed one of the wildest two weeks in NASCAR history. We watched Austin Dillon laid all on the line and clear out two cars to move into the championship. Then NASCAR three days later said, hold on, you get to win the race, you get to keep the money and the trophy, but it don't even count it. You don't get to go to the championship. And Listen, Dale Eart Jr. Is a dear friend of yours and mine and I know you've already talked about it there, but maybe some people, maybe we're going to bring something a little different up right here. When you watch that, you said two words on X. You said, good grief.

[Mark Martin]

I was, I was watching it by myself downstairs and I laughed out loud. Look, I, I was in. I was entertained.

[Kenny Wallace]

Yeah.

[Mark Martin]

You're like, I ain't. That's probably the most outrageous one I've ever seen right there. You know, it wouldn't have been if it had just been joy. But getting two in one whack, man, that was huge. But, you know, so, so I'll give it a 10 for entertainment. Obviously it was over the line. Obviously, I'm not a big fan of, of that. I've come to accept bumping runs, you know, or even running a guy high because that's the day and age we're in now. It wouldn't fly back in our day. But, but, but you know, that, that was over the line and you know, NASCAR was in a horrible situation. I don't know how they could win. I think, you know, I neither agree or disagree with what they did. I understand what they did did. And I'm kind of in the middle. I, you know, I don't. The, the move was fun to watch. I mean, I don't know who in my era, I don't know who had the balls to do that. No.

[Kenny Wallace]

And let me add this because I was on the receiving end of it. That's why I'm going to comment on this part. If I did something wrong, Mark Martin, Rusty Wallace, Dale Senior, Terry Labani, Dave Marcus, you guys were going to take me, you were going to take me between the trailers and you was gonna sho my ass out and you was gonna make me feel this small. It. I don't know how it changed, but I just think back then it was true. We did police ourselves because, you know, that's the way it was. And, and now it's not like that. So I just want to say that it didn't fly back then because of what I just said. You would have kicked my ass verbally back then.

[Mark Martin]

It was policed by the drivers back then. It's. There's no going back. You may as well embrace it. It's the racing that we have today. And, and you know, you can go into all the things reasons that it leads to us to that. But, you know, you watch. I watch racing all the time. Late Models, dirt and asphalt. The dirt still, in my opinion, still pretty clean. The dirt Late models are and the mods pretty clean. But man, those asphalt late Models, this is every single race. And, and that's what you're going to have in NASCAR coming up in all three divisions. That's that's what you see and what you have. So embrace it. That's what we have. I love racing and I got a laugh. I got a laugh out of Austin Dillon and I felt bad for NASCAR for having to make a call at all because it would have been much better if drivers could have handled it, but they can't. It's beyond that.

[Kenny Wallace]

I'm going to say this, I feel like hang with me. This is a Bloomquist moment in my brain. We would go to McDonald's and if we waited three minutes for our food, we were screaming and hollering, oh my God, I've been waiting three minutes. Then this came about and we got instant gratification of news. So today, if the people watched the way you and Rust raced in Mark Martin, you took care of your equipment because the equipment wouldn't last as good. If we tried to race today like we raced back then the people would fall asleep.

[Mark Martin]

Oh, they throw us out of, out of the place. Yeah.

[Kenny Wallace]

So, so now they said, okay, in this era we're gonna run stage racing because we want these drivers to drive so hard. And I think because of what I just said, that's why we're where we're at now.

[Mark Martin]

You know, that's one.

[Kenny Wallace]

Tell me what the other one is.

[Mark Martin]

Double file restarts. Green, white, checkered equal cars you can't pass. Arrow dependent cars, winner take all. When you in all these things lead to that, you know, you're, you're, you're right in in a sense. But there are more components to that in, in, you know, all those things lead and you know, the, the racing was good. When Rusty and I raced in the 90s, it was fabulous. But it's not good enough for today. I mean people still watch it, it's still fun to watch, but it's a whole different thing. Oh, I forgot I left out the lack of power.

[Kenny Wallace]

Yeah.

[Mark Martin]

You know, so, so in one lap, Joey Logano can't get any further than he got and it still, he still wasn't safe. Well, that's what they want. We got, you know, they have to make it entertainment. They have to make it entertainment. So, so taking the power away also plays into that. You can't get away from one another. You double file them on the restarts.

[Kenny Wallace]

Wow.

[Mark Martin]

You put it all on the line. You see where it's all going. The intensity builds with every piece and component and you know, it just that that's what we have. And the new generation sees one hell of a spark fest, you know.

[Kenny Wallace]

Yeah. And instead of me using a, a curse word. I would say it's a blank show. I call it everything you said. I call it scrambled eggs, buddy. Like you just said, everybody got same horsepower, same car. Double file restart. We go down in one. It's gonna be scrambled eggs.

[Mark Martin]

That's right.

[Kenny Wallace]

Oh, Mark Martin, you've been wonderful. Listen, thank you so much. And there's more to always talk about everybody. We can ask more questions, but here we are. And thank you so very much, Mark Martin. And hey, where are you at? It looks good behind you.

[Mark Martin]

Yeah, this is my shop. I'm doing a little, a little tinkering here in my shop. I come here about every day and tinker on things and just loving life. And I am coming to your place for coffee with Kenny. I'm going to make an appearance one of these day. I don't know when because it seems like I've been awful busy, but I'm coming to St. Louis. I'm coming to see you park that coach out there by your shop and do coffee with Kenny.

[Kenny Wallace]

I can't wait, Mark. I, I, you know, I mean, my place, you and Rusty are just like above me with, I mean, I just got a normal house, so don't expect a lot. I'm gonna be embarrassed. I'm gonna make sure we clean everything up and have my grass cut. But, but I'm still proud of what I got and I'm looking forward to you and maybe Arlene and Matt coming up the driveway. I got a big hill. Put it in low.

[Mark Martin]

Okay.

[Kenny Wallace]

It's not, it's all concrete, but, you know, we live on a hill. Herman's Hill.

[Mark Martin]

Hey, I got that twin turbo on it. I can go up any hill.

[Kenny Wallace]

All right, everybody, well, listen, you heard from the great Mark Martin. Once again, this is Catching up with Mark Martin. This is a new segment and we might try to reach out to Tony Stewart. It's been two and a half years since we talked to Tony. And listen, everybody, we are in podcast form. This is a good long one. So you're going to listen to Mark on the way to work in the morning and then you turn it back on and listen to Mark on your way back home. We are on Spotify and itunes and until the next catching up with whoever it's going to be. Thanks again, Mark.

[Mark Martin]

Thank you, man. It's fun.

[Kenny Wallace]

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