Ty Gibbs (3:00)

I don't know. So I grew up obviously in the motocross world and like, around the dirt stuff. You know, my, my father had a supercross team for a long time and I always just loved the atmosphere. I feel like, you know, motocross and the dirt world is pretty. In the, in the, in the dirt oval world is pretty similar, like the atmosphere wise. So it always reminds me of kind of my childhood as well. So it's kind of fun to go back, but. So it's like a, it's a new hobby for me and it's like a new craftsmanship. I'm taking on, you know, learning and learning new skill sets and stuff. And honestly, it's, it's been really fun. I think it's helped me in the cup car and also it's just been fun for me to learn something new. Really. Like, I don't do it just because, hey, I want to be cool. Like, I just really like it. If I was trying to be cool, I have not looked cool doing it because I've busted my ass a couple times. But I'm just learning. And I mean, I make mistakes, but I really like it. I just, truthfully, I just really like it. Really have fun doing it. And I can't wait to figure it out and get faster.

Kenny Wallace (4:02)

We are going to get to all the NASCAR accolades and what's up in NASCAR? Everybody but talking to Ty Gibbs, 23 years old. Let's just stay here for a little bit with the dirt racing. Yeah, I went dirt racing because I felt like if I stayed asphalt, I'd be one dimensional. And I was a, I was a big fan of AJ Foyt, Mario Andretti. Now everybody just watch you not long ago get in those high limit sprint cars, the big wings. You were fast, but your left front got into the right rear of another driver. You went flipping. Tell me about that moment. I've never been in a sprint car. What did it feel like to flip like that?

Ty Gibbs (4:49)

Well, unfortunately, I've done it twice now, so I Kind of get to re baseline how it felt a year later. So honestly, you know, I've got great equipment, I've got a, you know, a great port seat and, and a full port seat. I have butler built seats as well. They've always been, you know, they've always taken care of me and my family butler built house, so I always appreciate them and I have a chasm system in mind. So honestly, I think it doesn't, it didn't hurt nearly as bad as what it looked like at all. You know, I had, I had no pain from it, obviously. I mean, I was probably like a little shooken up from it, but I was fine and, and had no issues. Woke up completely fine the next day. So, you know, running all my stuff, I have and, and my equipment's been very safe and fortunately it's been fine. But honestly, with that big wing, Kenny, it just doesn't, it doesn't hurt that bad, honestly. I've been very fortunate though, for my Rex, like not to have anything too big and, and dug anything in too hard. But yeah, it's been, you know, I've had, I've had some tumbles for sure. You know, they haven't been comfortable, but you know, it could be a lot worse and, and everything. But, you know, the cup cars are so stiff nowadays that, you know, anything that you wreck, you're like, wow, that actually wasn't that bad. And then you're like, well, actually that actually looked really bad. But the cup cars are so stiff, so it honestly doesn't hurt too bad. But I've been fortunate not to really bust my ass yet. I have. But not bad. Bad.

Kenny Wallace (6:08)

Yeah, I, I think if you're a race car driver, you're gonna bust your butt pretty hard once or twice. And I did, you know, you wreck on that night and then you come back on Sunday and there you go again, your third top five in a row in the cup series. I just want to let everybody know that I admire your talent. I don't have the talent you got, and I think it's pretty, I think it's pretty incredible what you've been able to do with your dirt racing just a little bit longer on dirt racing. I told you the reason I run dirt. I know it's fun for you, but, you know, you look at Kyle Larson, you go back through history. You look at Christopher Bell, you look at Ryan Newman. Do you think this helps your skills at all or do you think it's just all fun?

Ty Gibbs (6:58)

You know, I think it's, I think it's both. You know, I think it definitely helps my skills. It keeps me sharp like everybody says and you know, racing the wingspan cars, you know, there's a lot of stuff going on. Everything's happening so fast. The moves are being made so fast and the cars are so light. Everything's, you know, the agility is way high in the racing, the wingsprint cars and so going from doing that, you know, all week to go and running a cup part cup car is way slower. Obviously you're going 100 miles an hour faster but you know, things happen a lot slower. They're way heavier. The power to weight ratio is nearly not what the sprint car is and I think it helps me in that too. But truthfully, I just really truthfully enjoy it. And like you said, the one dimensional side, like, you know, I'm fortunate enough to be blessed and position in the race, the cup car, but I don't want to just be a NASCAR guy. I want to be a racer. I want, I don't want to just be an asphalt guy. So. And that's. I just love it. I'm a big fan of it. I mean like, I just want to do. I want to be. Have all the, I want to have all the parts and you know, I think it'd be cool. I love running dirt stuff. I would always want to keep racing dirt no matter what.

Kenny Wallace (8:01)

When you run the dirt car, do you feel like it. It makes your senses faster. Like when you go run the NASCAR car, does it feel like a bus compared to a sprint car?

Ty Gibbs (8:13)

Yeah, definitely. It's, you know, going and racing and the wingspring car and how fast everything happens with the air and everything and then, and then going and back in the cup car it's like, it's, it's so much slower. The cup car feels kind of sluggish and, and you know, it's fun. I think it's helped hold there because you know, I've been in places in the cup car where it's felt fast and now going around the cupcraft throwing in the wingspan car, I feel like it's, you know, it, it feels kind of a lot slower than what it usually does. So I think it helps there. But honestly just really like it. I've had a lot of fun doing it and it's such a, it's a new learning thing for me. And, and you're working to get better at something's also a lot of fun too while you like it. So I just, it's been a fun experience, you know. Hasn't looked too good, but I've had a lot of fun doing it.

Kenny Wallace (8:56)

You're new man. And, and I must add there that you know, the great A.J. foyt, the Mario Andretti's man, they've done it all. And there's nothing wrong with wanting to do it all because you sure do love racing and I'm a big fan of that. You know, Kenny Schrader, you look at Kyle Larson, all those guys, so you're not doing anything different. And I just admire that about you. One last thing, one last thing about dirt racing. You mentioned to me in conversation that you watched Kenny conversation when you can. And you watched our episode with Superman. Jonathan Davenport, one of the great dirt super late model racers. What did you take away from. From J.D.

Ty Gibbs (9:44)

well, you know, I listened to the, to your guys's show about Black Sunshine and it was a great show. And you know, I didn't, I never knew him, but you know, to listen to the stories about him and everything is also. It was really cool and it was your guys's tribute show. So. Yeah, I mean, I always think those guys are, are badasses and it's fun to, you know, listen to somebody else in, in the racing world. You know, kind of a different atmosphere side on, like the dirt lay model side. I don't know, you know a ton about it. You know, I feel like I know some of the guys over there too. So it's fun. Just listen to kind of what everybody has to say and you know, I think it's. I think it's cool and I really like to really like that show and I think those guys are sick.

Kenny Wallace (10:29)

You really are just a fan of dirt. I'm focused in on you and you just love dirt race. So Black Sunshine, everybody. That was the, the late great Scott Bloomquist tragedy lost his life, but man, what a great race car driver he was. Okay, everybody, deep breath. It's. We had a little fun right there. Went dirt racing and yeah, you're taking a breath. All right. You are on a heater, my friend.

Ty Gibbs (11:00)

Thank you.

Kenny Wallace (11:01)

That is three straight top fives in the NASCAR cup series. So my question is this. You seem to be more powerful this year on the racetrack. It appears to me you're better than you were last year. Why do you think that is?

Ty Gibbs (11:19)

You know, I think that, you know, just changing some things up in the team and you know, kind of changing the whole program and working and fine tuning on what, you know, we could have done better last year. I just think keep adding on and Keep building this, what we've been doing, and obviously, I think it's showing. And, you know, I really. My team around me has been really great. And, you know, we're all pretty young as well, so it's always fun that we're all, you know, kind of similar in age and not similar in age, but, you know, it's fairly close. And so, you know, my guys are. They work really good together. It's a fun group of people. I feel like, you know, I've been through with a lot of teams, not a lot of teams. I've been with the same team, you know, my whole time. My whole, you know, our same organization, but, you know, moving throughout Arc, Xfinity and Cup, being with different teams and kind of knowing the atmosphere, I feel like, you know, Kenny, like, you know, when you have a good team, your guys are working together, and I feel like that's what we have. And, yeah, I just. I really like them. And, you know, all of our feedback, we all work really well together, and, you know, all our feedback's really good, too, so just kind of building on what we've, you know, could have done better last year. And I feel like at the end of last year, we're really good, really strong as well, so just kept adding on to that, and I don't know, I'm not, you know, not a ton has been different, so just some small changes and big changes. But, you know, it's been fun, and I've really had a blast this year with it.

Kenny Wallace (12:34)

You know, there's an old saying. Father. Father John. I tell this story to all the young kids. When Father John married my wife, Kim and myself, he said, be careful, young man. Competition will kill you, you know, mentally.

Ty Gibbs (12:50)

Yeah.

Kenny Wallace (12:52)

When you have people that are on your side and, you know, there's no question that they love you. They want the best for you. To me, that's called chemistry.

Ty Gibbs (13:03)

Yep.

Kenny Wallace (13:04)

I just say it differently. You know, they like me. They care about me. You know, the coaches, you know, they would say, you know, you know, we got a good combination. I'm like, no, they. They care about me, too.

Ty Gibbs (13:15)

Yeah.

Kenny Wallace (13:15)

And it appears that's what you have going on there. Your. Your team really likes you.

Ty Gibbs (13:20)

Yeah. You know, and. And I really love them, and I feel like we're all a bunch of brothers together. And, yeah, it's been fun. I mean, you know, the one. The. The advice my dad always gave me growing up is, like, you have to focus on yourself. Like, you can't focus on everybody else around you. Like, Focus on yourself. Like including my team, right? Not watching people, other people have success. Like focus on yourself. If you focus on other people, you're never going to win. And I feel like for us we've focused on our team and on ourselves and, and kind of developed and you know, we don't want to be, you know, we have a lot of great teammates, a lot of great, you know, role models to be, you know, teams to be. Like there's a lot of legacy teams. I feel like they've been through jgr, but you know, we want to be our own team and we want to develop into our own identity and that's kind of what we're doing and I think it's fun. You know, we're the 54 team, you know, we don't have to be like the 11 and 20 and 18 and they're fantastic, right? They're all running good. Unfortunately, Chase had a rough start to the year, but they're as fast as any of them and, and they're great, you know, role models to have. But we want to be, you know, our own, our own gig and have our own program going and that's what we're doing. And I've had a lot of fun doing it. It's been fun and it's been a lot of work in the last couple years and, but now, you know, to finally have this whole situated down, you know, it's been great and, and I've been very pumped and I'm looking forward for the future.

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Kenny Wallace (15:35)

Yeah. I. Something I zoned in on there is you're only 23 years young, and you. You've already been given advice from your father. I want to go to grandpa Joe Gibbs. Obviously, I'm 62 years young, and, you know, I watched him be a successful man in life and everything. Do you. Do you just have one thing? I don't want to put you on the spot. Is there. Is there something that's just like, yeah, grandpa always taught me this one thing, and I know it's a lot, but is there one thing that comes to top of your mind that is a good life lesson from. From Joe Gibbs?

Ty Gibbs (16:14)

Yeah. You know, I feel like I've been fortunate to grow up around, you know, a lot of hard workers in my life and. And including my, you know, my grandfather, coach, and my mom, and they're all. They're so hard working. You know, sometimes, you know, if I go to the shop really early in the morning, right, you know, they're the first two people that are there, and they're usually the first two first the last two people that leave at night, and they set the tone for how it is. And, you know, I feel like, you know, interviews with my father, you've heard that, you know, he talks about how my grandfather was a grinder and. And he grinds it out, man. Like, that guy puts in a lot of time, a lot of work. And I've watched it. I mean, you know, even go back to the. Into. Into the football days when he was with the commanders and. And you know, listen to how he. You know, my grandfather slept in his office and developed plays throughout the week. And I think he slept in his office, like, four days a week. Like, I don't know many people that are doing that at all and sleeping on the couch in their office, just grinding it out. And. And for the love of. The passion of it. But if I go back to knowing one thing, I feel like it'd be hard. I know. I feel like what coaches set the example of is. Is coaches. You know, my grandfather came from nothing and. And made it all happen and had a lot of success, and it's been on the way. Like, he's a, you know, very strong, godfree man. And. And for me, I think that thing that st. That sticks out to me, Kenny, is like, watching him grind it out through the hardest moments and just have a great attitude about it. You know, sometimes he gets a little fired up, but we all do. But he just always has a good attitude about it, you know, always has Kind of a smile going on, but just grinding it out where it's miserable times and he just powers through it. And that's, you know, the one thing that stuck out to. To me, you know, growing up. I feel like I'm a fierce, fiery little guy. But. But, you know, watching him, you know, go through hard times and just grind it out and put this smile on his face is really cool. And, you know, and. And he set a great example for, you know, me. But no, not just me. All of my cousins and a lot of people in the. In the atmosphere and all people that look up to him. You know, I've heard a lot of the same things, and that's what I see.

Kenny Wallace (18:11)

We're gonna brag on you in a little bit, but I don't. I don't want to leave this. This conversation right here. I got all your stats here. We're gonna brag on him. Everybody. I want to remind you all how great Ty Gibbs is. But, you know, I. I communicate with you. You are mentally strong. This is my opinion.

Ty Gibbs (18:32)

Thank you.

Kenny Wallace (18:33)

Like. Like me, I get roughed up. You know, I'm Rusty's brother. I wouldn't be where I'm at without Rusty Wallace. I've heard it all. They've roughed me up. But. But I'm strong. I think you are strong. You get roughed up. You get roughed up for being Joe Gibbs grandson. This is a compliment. Now, how do you deal with it? I just showed you how I deal with it. I learned to deal with it. Who helps you mentally? Do you have a sports therapist there? Who do you talk to?

Ty Gibbs (19:11)

You know, honestly, I don't. There's not. It's always been like this, Kenny. And it's not like, you know, I don't have. I don't get upset about it. You know, it is what it is, and it's always kind of been a thing. And I. The way I grew up, like, you know, with my father, is a very, very strong guy, very stern person. And. And. And he was, you know, a great father, but he was always like, you know, we don't listen to what the outside crowd says. And, you know, my grandfather grew up, obviously, under the same kind of deal I did, or my dad did the same thing. I coach's grandson. And. And. And so, yeah, I mean, unfortunately, that's. People, you know, are going to take it on you for is what it is, or maybe from some things I've done in the past. But, you know, when it comes to the hate, like, you know, I Just the love over the game, you know, for me is what takes care of all of it. I, I just truthfully love the racing and, and all that, you know, and, and if all the social media went away, I don't think I'd ever hear anything about it. Maybe get flipped off still a couple times, but that's what's going to happen. I see it all the time and, you know, and I don't really, I don't really. It doesn't bother me. I grew up in such a competitive atmosphere. You know, I have two brothers and, and four other boy cousins and one sister and, and all the boys, we just always grew up beating the crap out of each other, competing and talking trash. So I always think it's funny listening to people that, you know, want to talk trash, right? And I'm like, you guys don't know. You know, I grew up in this and I really enjoy it. Like, I have, I have fun. We always look at some things and like, people do banners and stuff. We're always laughing and pointing at it and just giggling and stuff. And look, they say, yeah, people are hanging up. Yeah, this guy sucks. And I just think, we just think it's funny and, you know, and I think that they, you know, they're looking for a negative reaction out of it and, and truthfully, like, I don't really. It's just funny. Like, I don't really. It doesn't bother me a little bit. It doesn't bother me at all. And you know, and I've always grew up in it and unfortunately I can't change that. But I really don't care. I feel like, you know, God's obviously blessed me a lot and I just grew up in this atmosphere, so I'm just gonna make the best of it. And I love racing, so all the resources, dude, I'm just gonna hammer down and make the best of it. And yeah, the hate's gonna come. I mean, if you're hate, I guess if they're making noise and they're doing something. But on any other thing, Kenny, you know, you have a lot of people that talk. I don't, I'm not on Twitter. I don't do Twitter. But, you know, you. Every once in a while I've seen stuff from people that share it to me and, you know, people talking crap. And I look at the profile pictures and I' I going to let this guy bother me. Look at this guy. Like, do you see this guy? Look at his little icon. I'm like, this guy going to Let him bother me. And so I just look at that. I just, I, I just laugh it off grip, obviously. Competitive world and I mean, the hate's going to happen and it happens to everybody. So it is what it is. Who cares?

Kenny Wallace (21:52)

You are wise beyond your years. I'm.

Ty Gibbs (21:56)

Thank you.

Kenny Wallace (21:56)

Two things, everybody. I want all of us to take away from that. Number one, I grew up with it. He grew up with it, so he's immune to it. Number two, look at the profile of the person. It's a nobody. It's a nobody. This is a great life lesson. We're going to celebrate you, but one more time. Denny Hamlin. Denny. And you seem to be maybe your friends, maybe you're not. Maybe it just seems like you're the same mindset. Denny has been through brutal times.

Ty Gibbs (22:33)

Yep.

Kenny Wallace (22:34)

And do you watch some of that and go, damn, we're the same. They're mad at us because we're good.

Ty Gibbs (22:43)

Yeah. You know, obviously, you know, me and Denny are always great friends and I feel like to be. Denny is like a, I feel like as a brother, as a family member to me and into my family and you know, me and Denny got into it last year, New Hampshire. But, you know, stuff happens and, you know, nothing has changed. You know, I feel like me and Denny are always really tight and you know, I feel like we're more closer together. Obviously, me and, me and Denny have lost our fathers as well. And you know, and, and I feel like, you know, we, we're always. I feel like we've been there for each other in, in the worst times. And you know, Denny, obviously, when my father passed away, Denny was, was there right away, was the first person I saw. So, you know, I always look at Denny as a brother and a family member. Family member. And he' so supportive of us and my family, you know, throughout all the years he's been with us and, but yeah, you know, the hate comes is what it is. And you know, I feel like Denny has a lot of it. Denny's really successful and, and, and also is, you know, pretty funny. He's a trash talker. He loves it though. He's, he admits he's a trash talker and, and the people hate him. But I, I mean, we all just think it's funny. Like I, I. People think it's so personal, but obviously it's, it's the entertainment side too, so we all know. But yeah, Denny does a great job with it and runs with it well. And you know, he wins a lot of races, so it works for him, and he can kind of make it to how whoever he wants it to be and talk about how he beats everybody's favorite driver, which he did and does a lot. So I think it's. I think it's funny. I mean, I think you make it however you want to be. Yeah, I think it's good for the sport. And, you know, I think if anything, it's just. You're having fun with it, so keep digging.

Kenny Wallace (24:19)

Good stuff. Okay, everybody, this is the time in Kenny Conversation where we take a page from my big brother, Rusty Wallace. Rusty says, it's sad to say, but you got to remind people because they remember what they want to. This is my favorite segment. And I went. I went to your stats. You're. You're 23 years young. And I went to your stats, and I had to stop in a weird way, like Kyle Larson. They rolled off the sheet, and I was. I was pleasantly surprised. And. And I want to start like this. Ty Gibbs, 23 years old. 2021 ARCA Menards Champion. 2022 NASCAR O'Reilly Auto Parts Champion. 2024 NASCAR All Star Open Winner. 2021 NASCAR Xfinity Rookie of the Year. 2023 NASCAR Cup Series Rookie of the year. Now, we're going to keep on going here. We got way more, and some I didn't even put on there because it was like, it was just too much. But this one. This one I really like. 66 races run in the O'Reilly Auto Parts with 12 wins. You ran 66 O'Reilly races. 12 wins. That is an incredible average.

Ty Gibbs (25:45)

Thank you.

Kenny Wallace (25:46)

41. Listen up, everybody. 66 races, 41 top tens. That's insane. And that's why you won the championship. Thank you. Okay, before the big time, you were. You were learning. 47 arca menard races with 18 wins. Stop and think about that, everybody. 47 arc of menard races. 18 wins, 42 top wins. Okay? Now that's the big time, arco. Now, while you're learning. While you were learning, you went to the Arkham Menards series and you were a west winner. You ran four races. You only won three times. That's insane. Thank you, ARCA East. Now, I want to remind everybody, this is why he's learning to become what he is right now, A Cup driver. ARCA E. 16 races, 6 wins. Now, we know that there's way more. There's late model stuff or, you know, some of those other things, but when I tell you those highlights, you know, where does your mind go? Does it go back to those Days. What do you think when I brag on you like that?

Ty Gibbs (27:04)

Dang. I. I really appreciate it, Kenny. And for me, I don't know. I. I don't know. I've been very fortunate in my career to be in a great spot, and for me, honestly, I just. I've tried to make the best of it, and I really love the cars and the racing and everything that goes into it and being around the teams and ARCA was so much fun. You know, obviously, back then was a lot more competitive than now, and we had a lot of fun racing. And my team, ARCA team is still, you know, at the Nationwide shop or. Oh, I call it Nationwide, the series. So I'm O'Reilly.

Kenny Wallace (27:34)

It's. To me, it's a Bush series. Bush.

Ty Gibbs (27:36)

I said Nationwide. It's always a Nationwide Shops, we call it. And so, yeah, they're still. That's. They're still down there down the street, and there's. There are a bunch of great guys that are down there, and. And I was very fortunate to work with them, work with Mark McFarland for a while, and a lot of great guys there, so. But, yeah, I don't know. I just. I've been very blessed, and it's. It's an honor to, you know, to be in the position I'm in. And for me, I just try to make the most of it, and I feel like that's what I'm doing and. And getting better and just keep going. I. I don't sit here and think anything's changed my life. I've won races. Nothing's changed at all. You know, for me, obviously, some things, but, like, you know, if I go hang out with my cousins or my brothers, I'm, you know, they're probably gonna still try to fight me or do something stupid.

Kenny Wallace (28:23)

You're just a cousin.

Ty Gibbs (28:24)

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. No, all my. You know, I feel like I've done. Nothing's changed. I feel like I found around great people, and everybody keeps me humble, and I feel like I stay as humble as I can and just make the best of it.

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Kenny Wallace (29:42)

Where do you keep all those trophies at? Where are the trophies?

Ty Gibbs (29:45)

I have one room upstairs. Upstairs in my house. I can show you if you guys want. I could just take my. My iPad.

Kenny Wallace (29:54)

I would love to see that. I would love to see that. And don't worry about it. This is a lot of fun, everybody. And Charlie, Charlie can edit this up, but I don't think we will. I think we'll just follow you.

Ty Gibbs (30:05)

No, I think it'd be great. And the other thing is, Kenny, you know, if you see in the back corner, there's a Christmas tree still up. And here's the thing. I've never been home. The whole entire off season. I've been gone and I finally got Christmas tree set up and everybody's like, well, you gotta take them down. You gotta take them down. I'm like, screw you guys. I'll just keep it up the whole year.

Kenny Wallace (30:24)

Gretchen Wilson. I leave my.

Ty Gibbs (30:26)

I'm just gonna keep it up the whole year, all year long. So I have. Everything's just in one room. It's kind of a mess in here.

Kenny Wallace (30:33)

Okay, you're.

Ty Gibbs (30:34)

So I have my. My simulator here. It's my racing simulator.

Kenny Wallace (30:37)

I love it.

Ty Gibbs (30:38)

I have my Xfinity championship. Got some street signs, got some monster stuff. Couple gol. Got a golf bag. Got some bags. And then all of my racing stuff is just in one closet. I'm around racing so much. Yeah, I'm around racing so much. I don't want to put it all around my house and everything. So I. And I just moved. Not move. But I've been here for a year or two. And so I have some stuff here. I've got stuff in my. In my. And I have an office at the shop too. I keep it in. But I've got all my suits. Yeah, I got my, my. My rookie cup suit from when I fill in for Kurt to when I ran the Jordan car, to everything. I've got my Xfinity championship suit hanging up here. I took it right from the track. Never. Never got anywhere. No, it doesn't. It's been a couple years now. I've got. I've got a bunch of helmets up here, all very special to me. I've fortunate won my championship and in that helmet. And then I've got this helmet here is a guy named Billy Felt. He's. I've been around Billy for my whole life. He's kind of a father figure for me, and he's took me race in my whole career. And he fortunately gave me his helmet. I always wanted one for my birthday. He's like, what do you like? I was like, I would love to have your helmet. Like to have one just hanging up, but I want to start my helmet collection, too. So I don't have many, but.

Kenny Wallace (32:03)

What about that football helmet? Go back.

Ty Gibbs (32:06)

I've got my. My brother's helmet. He apple. He.

Kenny Wallace (32:11)

Though. He.

Ty Gibbs (32:11)

He played at Providence Day High School in Charlotte.

Kenny Wallace (32:14)

Okay.

Ty Gibbs (32:14)

So he gave me. I took his homies, got his gloves on it. And then I've got my dad's helmet, actually, when he raced in the Bush series. If I can get down right here.

Kenny Wallace (32:26)

Oh, my God.

Ty Gibbs (32:27)

These things are so. Yeah, look at that. He's got a big old clown.

Kenny Wallace (32:31)

Look at there. The Joker.

Ty Gibbs (32:33)

Yeah, the Joker. Yeah. I can't believe they run helmets like that back then. They're huge and heavy. But you. You have no idea.

Kenny Wallace (32:41)

You have no idea how segment this is. We really appreciate you doing this. This is a highlight. So go back down a little bit th. Those. So you got your champ. Where's the one? When you filled in for Kurt Bush, you said. Was that with.

Ty Gibbs (32:57)

That was when I was. When 2311. And. And that was in 2022 at Pocono. I. I just. I just had the visor fall. I just ran my extended race, and this is a helmet I used actually, and I saved it.

Kenny Wallace (33:13)

Oh, I remember that one. That kind of like that motor. Jimmy Johnson started making those famous. Does that really help keep the sun off or what's the deal with that?

Ty Gibbs (33:21)

Yeah. So Denny always ran it too, and I actually think it helped. Now I don't run this model helmet anymore, but they were really helpful, especially when you're banked in the corners and you have the sun kind of getting your face.

Kenny Wallace (33:34)

Yeah, the corners dope.

Ty Gibbs (33:36)

I had that one. And I got some other special helmets here. I won my first Xfinity race in this one. I think this helmet's cool. About to just broke it.

Kenny Wallace (33:43)

That we got you, buddy. Oh, good stuff.

Ty Gibbs (33:49)

One of. My uncle passed away. We did. I did a little tribute helmet to him and has all this stuff on here. And then. Yeah, I just got. I've had fortune to have some cool helmets. Monster fun to work with on the helmet stuff. And so I've only. This is the only helmet I've had that painted. I've had like two before this, which was.

Kenny Wallace (34:08)

What about the champagne bottle there? That's hid. Go back to that champagne bottle.

Ty Gibbs (34:13)

Oh, this is from Watkins Glenn. Yeah. When I run the Xfinity race there. And I think. I don't even think it's real champagne because I was 18. So.

Kenny Wallace (34:24)

Why are. Why are you such a good road racer? You're really good on road course.

Ty Gibbs (34:29)

I don't know. I just. I honestly didn't grow up doing a lot of it. I just always played it on the simulator and had fun doing it with my friends. And I guess there's just something I learned along the way. I mean, I spent more time racing at Ilbridge than I did probably growing up racing.

Kenny Wallace (34:42)

Oh, that's another road courses. Yeah. Another deal. Yeah. Typical North Carolina home, everybody. No basement. Yeah. And we call it a crawl space. I live down there 27 years.

Ty Gibbs (34:57)

They're small. My water heater went out, so I had to get on there earlier today and turn on. It was. It was claustrophobic.

Kenny Wallace (35:05)

Man, that's so awesome. We're gonna give you a little time to walk downstairs, and we want to thank you for that.

Ty Gibbs (35:10)

For sure. I'm glad you guys got to see that. I think I never showed it off to anybody, so that's really cool.

Kenny Wallace (35:16)

It seems like somebody like a Carson Josevar. A lot of you kids have your driving simulators upstairs. Maybe better wi fi up there because you don't got. But yeah.

Ty Gibbs (35:28)

Yeah, maybe better wi fi. I don't know. I just. That was just the spot that was in.

Kenny Wallace (35:33)

So what was it like getting that simulator up those steps there? Did you put it together up there or what?

Ty Gibbs (35:38)

I. Fortunately, I just got the guys. I was. We got them out here and moved it all up one day and knocked it out pretty quick. So it was pretty easy, but I didn't have a part of doing it.

Kenny Wallace (35:48)

Man, you have no idea how much I love that.

Ty Gibbs (35:51)

Yeah, I've got some. I try to keep all my suits. Yeah. I've only given away probably three or four suits in my days, and so I always try to keep all of them. And I want to have like a Full closet of stuff. When I'm older. You know, it's funny. Everything, you know, I've had Since I was 9, I was like, 17, 16 or 17 has been just monster. So, you know, you can have a couple helmets, and everything's monster. And it's super cool, you know, having all that. It's all just black and green in my closet. There's some other things, but I remember

Kenny Wallace (36:18)

I saw Kevin Harvick where he created a. You know, Harvick has won so much. He created a. A cedar wood. You know, cedar's supposed to, you know, keep everything nice. My God, he had so many leather jackets. Kevin's one, so much. And you're headed right there.

Ty Gibbs (36:35)

Thank you.

Kenny Wallace (36:36)

I. I think everybody. You know, it's kind of funny. I always tell this story. Sometimes people don't realize how good they are until later than life. And. And if I would say anything to you, which I'm nobody, and I realize that, but I would say, come on, save things. Save them, because you never know what's gonna happen. Yeah, there's some crazy stories with great athletes. They get bitter and they give their things away and they wish they had them back later. So, good job. Makes me.

Ty Gibbs (37:09)

I want to keep it all. I want to be raised until I'm old. I'm gonna be like, sammy. Sammy Swindell's still out there. I can still do it.

Kenny Wallace (37:15)

Sammy, baby.

Ty Gibbs (37:16)

He's still ripping it.

Kenny Wallace (37:18)

Oh, I love this right away when you just said that. I really think that somebody like a Kyle Larson and like. Like you right now, it. I really believe this dirt race. And here we are, back dirt racing again. I think it clears your head. You. You just now. You didn't compare yourself to another NASCAR driver. You. You went to dirt racing. How do you know about Slam and Sammy Swindell?

Ty Gibbs (37:44)

I just.

Kenny Wallace (37:45)

Just.

Ty Gibbs (37:45)

I just love the dirt racing. And I've said that, like, a hundred times, but I do.

Kenny Wallace (37:49)

Oh, yeah.

Ty Gibbs (37:50)

I. I don't know. I just watch it. But I just saw Sammy out there. I know he's been racing for a long time, and he's. I don't know how old Sammy is now, so. But he's still killing it. So maybe I want to be like him when I'm older. I want to still be able to race for a long time, and that's my goal. Just try to stay healthy. I guess if I keep wrecking like I'm doing right now, I gotta cut that out.

Kenny Wallace (38:11)

You won't. You'll quit wrecking because you'll Know, you got to give yourself a little more room.

Ty Gibbs (38:15)

Like, they can't be doing this anymore, you know, you.

Kenny Wallace (38:18)

When you. I mean, listen, I. I don't know. I don't. I. I practice the sprint car, but you. You'll log that and you'll know what the wing. You know, the wing don't slide as much as you think. And, yeah, I watched that wreck and, you know, listen, it was just. That's, you know, it was tight, but

Ty Gibbs (38:34)

I ran over my buddies. My buddy Corey Day is right. Retirement.

Kenny Wallace (38:38)

That's who it was. I wasn't sure. Corey Day. Let's go right there. Corey is really good at what you love. Do you talk to Corey Day?

Ty Gibbs (38:49)

I do. Me and Corey are really good friends. And, yeah, I think he's the. He's a badass in the sprint car, and I think he's developing the B1 and the. In the NASCAR side. He's obviously progressing a lot, running really well. And so, yeah, I'm. I'm pretty close to Corey and. And also, you know, I grew up around Jason Persley a lot, too, so I feel like those are two of my closest racing buddies, and I talk to them a lot. And Jason's running, obviously, for Casey Kane now and the 9 car, and he's doing really well. So it's fun to talk to those guys because I'm always, you know, you way off of them, so I'm, you know, asking advice for them. And. And then when the overcourt comes and we talk about the maths or stuff, as well, so it's been pretty fun. Fun. I've had a lot of fun.

Kenny Wallace (39:34)

This makes me happy. I want to zone in on that. You know, I'm up here on Herman's Hill. Everyone would think, oh, Kenny Wallace, you know, all this. But, you know, I. I stay my lane, and I want to zone in on what you just said. You mentioned two good friends. Corey Day, Dasan Persley. Do you feel like the dirt racing now? Here we are again. I know I keep saying it, but, you know, it seems like you stay your lane. You got your friends, or do you have any other friends? I mean, choose enough. Tell me about that. You know, your life. Your life.

Ty Gibbs (40:11)

Yeah, I've got, you know, a good bit of racing friends. I'm obviously, I'm pretty close with the Canadian family as well. So I talked to Bud. Bud Kating a lot, man. Trash talker. Trash talks me. All that we talk, man.

Kenny Wallace (40:22)

My eyes are getting big because you're saying some big names.

Ty Gibbs (40:25)

Katie and so, yeah, and so you know, I talk to them a lot and but besides the race industry I've got a lot of friends that you know, live in different parts of the country and the world as well. So yeah, I've been fortunate to be able to go and hang out with them whenever I'm not racing or do anything work wise and yeah, just a normal 23 year old kid, you know everybody went to college I think, you know, let's go back to the stats part, Kenny. I think the biggest stat I've got was graduating high school. That's the biggest. That was the harder than the championship I think. So I did that in 2021. Yep. In the spring and thank the Lord I graduated high school because I don't think I would have been racing besides that and probably have to been doing something else. But yeah, I have a lot of great friends. Everybody's kind of moved on. Obviously I'm 23 Saturdays in college and graduated college and, and move in different parts of the world so I feel like I'm. I'm still the only one here in Charlotte, North Carolina representing me and William I think is down the street for me. So Byron and so. But yeah, I have a lot of great friends. Not, not here though in the working time. So we're all grinding it out right now though, so whenever I get a chance I go see him and my brother's home right now. He just blew his arm out so he's out for a little bit.

Kenny Wallace (41:38)

What happened there?

Ty Gibbs (41:39)

Yeah, he tore his Tommy John. He's a pitcher in. In Taurus tj so he'll be out for a little bit but honestly he'll be fine and they'll get that thing strong and he'll be good since his freshman year so it'll be okay. Yeah.

Kenny Wallace (41:51)

Now listen, may the Lord be with him. Heal him up. But I will say this.

Ty Gibbs (41:56)

Y.

Kenny Wallace (41:56)

They say that after you get Tommy John you're better.

Ty Gibbs (41:59)

Yeah, that's the thing. Yeah. Yeah. So it's kind of okay that it happens. So yeah, he's doing really good. Nobody hit off him for. He goes to University of Maryland and. And nobody hit off with him for the first five games he played. So he's. He's killing it there. And then my younger brother Jet, he is a catcher and he bats too as well. He goes. He's still in high school so he's got some offers and we're pretty pumped for him. So they've got it going on and my sister's up and doing smart stuff in Cornell and I don't know, I can't hang out. Me and my friend Billy, we went there for one day to go hang out with her at school and those guys are way too smart for us to be around them. Like, who are these? Who are these guys here looking at us.

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Ty Gibbs (43:57)

feel like my life's outside of the racing is way bigger than what it is in the racing. That's all we look at. But like for me, outside of the racing is more stuff. Like I have a minute more than I am just in the racing side. And I race probably 70 times a year.

Kenny Wallace (44:10)

So, you know, sometimes it's a microscopic look. In other words, you know, let me just use some type of math here. You got 24 hours in a day and, and your, your race is three hours long. That's all you know, it is, it is pretty incredible. My, my dad would say a race car is never done. You, you work on it seven days a week to run it three or four hours and it's kind of a look in life, isn't it?

Ty Gibbs (44:38)

Yep, for sure. You know, I've been fortunate to not make it. I feel like people make the racing their lives and they're miserable all the time and, and I don't want to be like that and I really. Yeah, I really enjoy my life and I want to make the best of what I've got and, and just have a good time. I don't want to let it transfer over into the, into the personal side of stuff and, and make it miserable for me if I don't run, get her, hop the cushion and bust my ass or something stupid. Yeah, I mean I have a good time during the week and you know, I love ride my bikes. I grew up racing bicycles as well. I don't think many people know about that. And that's kind of all I wanted to do and when I was younger until I got racing go karts and cars and, and so I like doing that stuff. But yeah, keep. Try to keep it busy outside of the racing stuff and, and it's pretty easy to keep it busy. I don't try to keep it busy. Probably try to not make it so busy, but I surely have a good time. Normal 23 gold.

Kenny Wallace (45:28)

I'm very impressed because you're, you're telling me some things at 23 that I learned at 55. I. When I look back on Jeff Gordon, you know, Jeff, Bobby Labani, us old guys, Jeff was the strangest one of all, but obviously the best. Jeff Gordon was like just, you know, ho hum. He. He had a God's gift. Jeff Gordon was a incredible talent and he, and he just drove, he just got in and drove the car. And on the other hand I was taught that if my head is not in the carburetor, See, I almost made myself miserable because, you know, brother Rusty, they, they told me that. But you better know that car. You better. But here would be Jeff Gordon over here. He didn't know nothing. Yeah, and you know, you got professional mechanics and crew chiefs and yeah, you got it going on. And I see Denny Hamlin, a lot of you drivers. Now is it true now you, you focus on driving that damn race car?

Ty Gibbs (46:31)

It is. And you know, I really think that's true for me and I think anybody kind of has a different perception on that. I feel like for me, for the racing side, that's kind of all I want to focus on. Yeah, I don't think I'll ever be a crew chief or do anything. Maybe one day for one race like Jimmy did. But yeah, like, you know, we're talking about the new cup card obviously is completely foreign to anything we had in NASCAR now. And we're talking about different pressures and stuff like that. And, and so yeah, I kind of just let the guys do it. I let the guys that are hired to do that job, figure it out and just tell them what I. And maybe learn some things along the way and maybe tying it down more on the left rear, whatever we're doing in whatever car we're doing. But yeah, it's crazy now. Everything is so, it's so far advanced on how the car setups are and everything and the way we run everything. And so for me, it's best that I just probably don't need to know about half the stuff we're doing and just leave it there.

Kenny Wallace (47:26)

I agree with you. And that is the word inside the garage area. You know, listen, I hate to say it, but I love my brothers. I love my brother Mike. I love Rusty. And when I talk, when I talk to Rusty, he, he's funny. He goes, oh man, he goes, I, you can't chance see them cars today because it's all about the engineers. And Rusty's right. I was, I was talking to a high end NASCAR official and he said, kenny, we don't have mechanics anymore. We have engineers. Because your cars, the next gen, they're all bolted together. There's no fabricating.

Ty Gibbs (48:04)

Yeah.

Kenny Wallace (48:05)

Speak to that point when you go inside Joe Gibbs Racing, does it seem almost like an IndyCar team now or.

Ty Gibbs (48:12)

Yeah.

Kenny Wallace (48:12)

See the welder working ever?

Ty Gibbs (48:14)

No, I mean, I don't see, we don't see Shane Love back there much, Weldon. But you know, that's another reason why I like the dirt world. You know, it's a lot of innovation. And for me, I love innovation. I love, you know, progressing and doing different things. And yeah, like we could change the engine and go out and start in the same spot name and if we did, you know, in the cup car, if you have a tire goes down and you have a splitter strike that's like this long, that bends and then changes the whole dynamic of the car. You have to start at the rear. And so there's a lot of different things and unfortunately, no, I love the innovation part, but NASCAR's took a step in the running spec cars and, and I guess wanting to be more like IndyCar or more of a spec racing league, which is also so, you know, cool because I think it shows the driver's talents and the team's talents as well because all of everybody's chassis and stuff are the same and we all run the same stuff. So it's just a different, it's just a different generation of racing now. That's just the way it is. And then the NASCAR side and you know, I Miss seeing all the CNC machines working and everybody welding stuff and fab and stuff and molding stuff to the cars and you know, hopefully I would love to see that one day again but that's just not how it is anymore. And unfortunately that's just, it's just change and it's definitely different. You know, we go back to talking about, you know, learning about the cars and, and now these cars are so different. Right. You have way more engineers involved. But you know, it's also a ton of fun too. This is the only cup series I've grown up in racing so you know, to watch up growing it, grow up and watch it. You know this generation now to the, this next gen car is obviously a big change but you know, I'm not making the rules and I don't really know much about the car so I just drive, try to drive the hell out of it.

Kenny Wallace (49:51)

Fantastic. Positive, mental attitude. Listen up everybody. Everything he has done has been positive mental attitude. Hey, let's start in the next five minutes here. Let's kind of start closing up shop. I want to thank you for allowing me to have this conversation with you, but thank you. You look over at Formula One, this 19 year old Kimmy. What is an Antonoli? Yeah. 19 years old. Mercedes signed him at a young teenager and, and he's paid off it seems like all of you. Tell me, do you watch Formula one?

Ty Gibbs (50:32)

I honestly I don't, I don't watch Formula one a ton. I have lately because it seems like there's a, it's a new, like they had their whole new next gen car basically as well. Yeah. With the battery deal it seems like

Kenny Wallace (50:43)

it's a lot they, the motor dies out.

Ty Gibbs (50:46)

Yeah. That, it's crazy how that is. And you know I got to last year, year ago I went over midweek in the summer and when we saw Aston Martin's new shop and Milton Keynes in the uk. But yeah, I don't really watch formula on a lot. I feel like I, I just don't. But I've been around it a ton. It's always a lot going on and obviously like you know, the racing at complete different times of the day and, and stuff like that. But not, I've not, I've, I, I've stayed pretty put in America. But maybe one day, I mean, I don't know, I, I love all that stuff and a lot of my buddies live overseas too so I go over there a lot. Maybe one day I'll, I'll do something cool like that.

Kenny Wallace (51:23)

Isn't it amazing tie that, you know, here we have taken a lot of heat in NASCAR for making this new next gen car. And you, you look at somebody like Max Verstappen, he's bad mouthing the Formula One car now because they want their cars. 50, 50. They want 50% combustion, 50 electricity. So when they come off the corner they got all this battery storage, but when they get halfway down the straightaway, the motor. Yeah, yeah. So I mean, although we are different, it seems like life philosophy, next gen and, and now they're, they want to, it's everywhere, isn't it? Or not any different really.

Ty Gibbs (52:08)

No. Yeah, for sure. And me and I, I've had talks with coach, you know, we've talked about just the car and you know, obviously it's like just the, the whole process of the next gen car and how, you know, it turned out is, you were just like, he's just like, listen, like is what it is. Like we could be racing, you know, cardboard boxes. Like it's whoever's gonna do it the best is gonna win somebody to win it. So let's, he said always. It's like, let's might as well be us. And I'm like, I agree. So that's, that's just the way we look at it. But can't really control much either.

Kenny Wallace (52:37)

I, I, that's why the Sprint car

Ty Gibbs (52:39)

engine's real nice, Kenny.

Kenny Wallace (52:40)

Yeah, they are. They're big.

Ty Gibbs (52:42)

Power. Yeah, we're not doing any, yeah, no torque or nothing. All electric stuff.

Kenny Wallace (52:48)

So I, I, I want to say this, I want to make sure I say it right. You're young, you're 23, but talking to you is like talking to an old soul. You, you know, more even, even though you, you don't say, you watch Formula one. You knew what I was talking about. I've had a wonderful conversation with you and I want to thank you for that. It's been very easy on me. Some people you gotta try things out of. Going upstairs was a highlight. I like that. Okay. Let's end like this, my friend. Here we are. We're just getting going. You're, you're looking good right now. As, as the year goes on in nascar, I, I think we're much better. I don't want to get you in trouble. Don't respond if you don't want to. Do you think NASCAR is in a better place right now than they've been in a long time?

Ty Gibbs (53:48)

Yeah, I mean, I, I just go by the statistics. Right. I feel like I'm a realist and I think it definitely has gotten better for sure. And you know, I think that that's great. And I think that obviously there's, you know, different tracks and racing is going to promote different things and I think that's only going to help. And you know, I think NASCAR is the, is the SEC sport of America, right? And ask her what we kind of. What everything was, you know, around and when, when we were all. When you. Way back in the day. I was gonna say when I was younger, but that they, that was when I was in his prime, I guess, 2002. But you know, what's up? Yeah, I think it's, you know, I think that it's, it's only gonna get better and I think it's. That's, that's great. And I think that, you know, doing new tracks, like seeing the ego shrew course and doing just different things is going to be fun to change it up. Right? You know, going to just the same tracks for 50 years straight. And you know, unless it's like a Darlington is. It's gonna not. People are not gonna like that. You gotta keep things moving around and changing things up. And I think the big thing too is bringing in the one lug with the pit stop. I was kind of suspected about the one lug, but now with the pits up so competitive, I think that it brings a whole new team atmosphere into it as well. You know, the 20 crew just set the fastest pit time at a 7.98 second pit stop, which is insane. We only have five guys and, and so I think that that's cool. I think it's a huge team atmosphere. My cousin's my front changer. I think they should have highlighted me trying to run him over the other week. I got places to go. Jackson, I gotta go. But

Kenny Wallace (55:19)

yeah, your whole family is athletic. Everybody pitchers, catchers, tire changers. Jackman, right?

Ty Gibbs (55:28)

Got a lot going on.

Kenny Wallace (55:30)

I, I would have never dreamed in a million years, Ty, that the phrase hell yeah would make so many fans happy. Did that one catch you off guard?

Ty Gibbs (55:42)

From what?

Kenny Wallace (55:43)

That, you know, NASCAR spent a lot of money on with a company and they said, hey, help us get our sport back. And this company said, just say hell yeah. That's going to be our freeze this year. So, yeah, hell yeah.

Ty Gibbs (55:58)

Yeah.

Kenny Wallace (55:59)

Did that catch you off guard?

Ty Gibbs (56:01)

No, honestly, I didn't. I didn't see it much. But I think that, you know, like I said, the NASCAR is the, is the American sport and you know, everybody looks at it with the flying eagle and all that stuff and you know, I'm a proud American, so when I get to go to the racetrack and free country and go and listen to the national anthem, I'm. I love it. I'm pumped every single time. Always thankful for, you know, to be in the position I'm in, but also to be in a great country like this. So I. I love America and I'm

Kenny Wallace (56:27)

looking for the best, as they say lately. Play Free Bird.

Ty Gibbs (56:31)

Yes, sir.

Kenny Wallace (56:33)

Okay, everybody, listen up. There he is. Ty Gibbs, 23 years old. Old. He's already done a lot, and now he's in the big time.

Ty Gibbs (56:42)

And I'll be like you and I'm older.

Kenny Wallace (56:43)

Kenny, Stay going. Stay digging.

Ty Gibbs (56:46)

I will.

Kenny Wallace (56:48)

Don't you know, listen, there's an old saying, don't let the old man in. And that's what I live by. So.

Ty Gibbs (56:54)

Yes, sir.

Kenny Wallace (56:55)

Okay, everyone, if you want to see Ty Gibbs pretty face, remember, you can go on to the Kenny Wallace YouTube show. You can see this conversation if you want to listen to it. Going down the road, going over to Dale junior's Dirty Mo Media podcast. So two ways to catch this. Thank you so much, friend. You got anything else?

Ty Gibbs (57:18)

No, I don't. I really appreciate you coming on. I always appreciate the kind words to Kenny and hopefully we can do this

Kenny Wallace (57:23)

again down the road until the next Kenny conversation. We'll see you next time, everybody. Goodbye. Check out dirty mode media on Twitter, Facebook, TikTok and Instagram.

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