NASCAR Drivers Flipping & Spinning & Spinning & Flipping

Summary

Herm & Schrader Podcast – Episode Summary

Episode: NASCAR Drivers Flipping & Spinning & Spinning & Flipping
Air Date: November 19, 2025
Hosts: Kenny Wallace and Kenny Schrader (with Craig Moore)
Podcast: Herm & Schrader (Dirty Mo Media, SiriusXM)

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Overview: Midwestern Laughter, Racing Stories & NASCAR Headlines

This episode serves up the signature blend of irreverent humor, old-school racing stories, and sharp takes on current events in motorsport, straight from two of NASCAR’s most beloved “Kenny”s. Broadcasting from Missouri, Wallace and Schrader riff on everything from sentimental car numbers, legendary flips at Placerville, and the business of modern NASCAR, to heartfelt moments and classic “dirt wisdom.” Craig Moore joins in, steering the show through topics, trivia, and the ever-important joke segment.

Main Themes:

• The significance (or insignificance) of car numbers and driver identity
• NASCAR drivers moonlighting (and flipping) in dirt midgets at Placerville
• Recent racing events and old stories from the road and shop
• NASCAR’s new $2 million “Driver Ambassador Program” and changing media landscape
• Celebrating legends: NHRA’s John Force, Doug Kalitta, and dirt ace Jonathan Davenport
• Midwest humor, motorcycles, and personal anecdotes

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Emotional Attachment vs. Indifference: The Car Number Debate

[03:03] – [07:00]

• Wallace explains the deep family significance of his No. 36, tracing it through family history and personal milestones.
• Schrader, by contrast, is thoroughly indifferent:

  “I could give a rat’s whatever about what number my car is… Numbers are not, they don’t make any difference for scoring the race anymore because we have transponders. … If someone has a big emotional tie or the fan does or whatever, that’s fine. I just don’t have it.” – Kenny Schrader [03:10]

Notable Moment:

• Wallace tells the backstory of his number: his father’s car, him being the third son, and being born in 1963 (“36” backward).
• The difference in philosophy becomes a running joke and heartfelt thread.

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2. Charity Rides, Motorcycles & Trikes

[08:50] – [12:45]

• Schrader’s penchant for motorcycles surfaces (“I got five or six motorcycles”), with Honda as his favorite.
• Detailed breakdown of the upcoming 2025 Kyle Petty Charity Ride:
  • Nine-day, cross-country ride: Sonoma to Charlotte, with stops at Coker Tire, Graceland, Tail of the Dragon, and Victory Junction.
  • Victory Junction Gang Camp is praised for its impact on sick children.

Quotes:

“When we go, I get started because when going that ride and Anna go with me. So we’ll take a Gold Wing trike… I have not fallen down since I put the third wheel on the bike. Made a huge difference.” – Kenny Schrader [09:36]

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3. “Wrecks,” “Accidents,” and Motorcycling Mishaps

[13:38] – [16:19]

• Craig Moore confesses he’s “not a motorcycle person”: “The next time I ride a motorcycle will be the first time that I don’t wreck.” [13:00]
• Schrader shares a story about distinguishing a wreck (avoidable) vs. accident (unavoidable)—in classic Dick Trickle logic.

Notable Quip:

“Trickle, Craig… would say to me, that was 50% your fault wrecking after Charlotte Motor Speedway… ‘The guy run into me!’ ‘Kenny, my boy, you went on the racetrack.’” – Herman Schrader channeling Dick Trickle [15:56]

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4. Schrader & Wallace: Racing Recaps and Bragging Rights

[19:42] – [25:36]

• Schrader details his strong showing at the Turkey Bowl in Springfield, MO:
  • 7th to 6th in A-Mod; 16th to 12th in B-Mod against a massive field (over 500 cars across classes).
  • Wallace underscores how tough local competition really is and the gulf between “NASCAR” drivers and dirt ringers.
  • Both share their season victories, referencing advice from Earnhardt Sr. (“Just because you’re a NASCAR driver doesn't mean you’re better than anybody”).

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5. Placerville Midget Show: Flips & Hendrick's Nerves

[25:58] – [34:18]

• Big story: NASCAR stars running the USAC midget show at Placerville, California.
• Corey Day, the latest Hendrick prospect, flips spectacularly days after being announced as the full-time driver of the Hendrickcars.com No. 17 in Xfinity/Bush (O’Reilly) Series.
• Kyle Larson also crashes, but “more of a tumble” than a “hard flip”.
• Schrader and Wallace recall the “black eyes” and blood-vessel-busting accidents from years past (Ricky Rudd, John Hunter Nemechek).

Quote:

“I had a little texting session with Mr. Rick [Hendrick]… letting Kyle [Larson] do it, but he’s holding his breath the whole time.” – Kenny Schrader [31:03]

• Wallace debates letting young drivers take big dirt risks after signing with Cup teams: “Make your $100 million in NASCAR… your dirt fans will be waiting for you.” [30:21]

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6. Car Numbers, SVG, and Trackhouse Swaps

[36:20] – [38:08]

• SVG (Shane Van Gisbergen) moved to NASCAR with the return of his iconic No. 97; Connor Zillich tags to the 88. SVG is visibly emotional about the number.
• Schrader: “You already know where I’m at on numbers… If it means that much to SVG, that’s great.”
• Wallace appreciates the cultural impact and emotional resonance for international drivers.

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7. NASCAR’s Driver Ambassador Program (“DAP”): Getting Paid to Promote

[38:08] – [44:26]

• New NASCAR initiative: drivers earn points and up to $1 million per half-season for promoting NASCAR through appearances, talk shows, and community involvement.
• Joey Logano wins first half, Ross Chastain the second.
• Wallace laments: “NASCAR gave away $2 million because the drivers are so damn lazy now that they just won’t talk about the sport.”
• Schrader corrects: “Not that they’re so damn lazy. It’s a bonus for going above and beyond.” [40:15]

Examples of Promo Appearances:

• Logano on Jimmy Kimmel
• Chase Elliott at ACMs
• Bubba Wallace on Sesame Street & GMA
• Kyle Larson on “Pat McAfee Show”

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8. Classic Stories: Smoke Johnson & Stewardship of Dirt Racing

[46:01] – [49:07]

• Wallace defends dirt racing’s legitimacy and notes how Cup drivers elevate short-track races (“spotlight is much brighter”).
• The “Smoke Johnson” story: Tony Stewart would enter races under a pseudonym to avoid overcrowding and rowdy fans.

“He would go to these races… if they knew he was coming, it would be standing room only… He did not want anybody to know he was coming to the racetrack. … So he was entering as Smoke Johnson.” – Herman Schrader [47:56]

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9. Superman Davenport, Jason Pursley’s Win & Racecraft Ethics

[49:07] – [54:30]

• Jonathan “Superman” Davenport is on a late-season tear, winning almost everything and solidifying his legend status.
• Jason Pursley wins $20K at Placerville, but faces crowd boos for besting Kyle Larson.
• Stories about how racing etiquette, rough driving, and “daredevil” attitudes have evolved:

  “You’d get an eye blackened real quick … that stuff didn’t fly.” – Kenny Schrader on slide jobs and dirty driving [51:24]

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10. NHRA Rainout & John Force’s Official Farewell

[55:25] – [58:57]

• Recap: NHRA final at Pomona rained out, unable to reschedule.
• Doug Kalitta clinches Top Fuel championship; John Force retires as a legend (16-time champion, 157 wins).
• Schrader on Force: “What a career… he was still winning when he got hurt.” [56:53]
• Force hints he might return for a burnout if fans are loud enough.

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11. Outlaw Racing Milestones & Racing Families

[62:06] – [64:21]

• David Gravel wins back-to-back World of Outlaws championships, climbs the all-time wins chart.
• Schrader and Erin Evernham’s own Outlaw win at Grant City, “wingless”, gets a nod—“A lot better dirt racer than her husband.” [64:13]
• Fun stories about family mishaps—Rusty Wallace wrecking post-win while waving to the crowd.

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12. Midwest Humor & Rapid-Fire Personal Q&A

[65:42] – [74:50]

• The traditional joke blitz (egg puns, soda “pop” gags), “get to know the Kennys” segment.
• First cars: Wallace’s hand-me-down '68 Chevelle, Schrader’s ‘64 Dodge van (“panelled the inside, burnt orange and white”).
• Favorite vacations: Schrader doubles down on racing at Volusia, Wallace raves about Rusty’s oasis in Cabo.
• Heartfelt stories about meeting their wives and their marriages, with anecdotes about Schrader’s emotional Hall of Fame induction.

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Notable Quotes & Moments (with Timestamps)

• “I could give a rat’s whatever about what number my car is… Numbers are not… they don’t make any difference for scoring the race anymore… But if someone has a big emotional tie or the fan does, that’s fine.” – Kenny Schrader [03:10]
• “I’ve just been number 36 forever and makes sense.” – Kenny Wallace [06:40]
• “When we go, I get started because… Anna go with me. So we’ll take a Gold Wing trike on that ride because I have not fallen down since I put the third wheel on the bike.” – Kenny Schrader [09:36]
• “The next time I ride a motorcycle will be the first time that I don’t wreck.” – Craig Moore [13:00]
• “Make your $100 million in NASCAR… your dirt fans will be waiting for you.” – Kenny Wallace [30:21]
• “I had a little texting session with Mr. Rick [Hendrick]… letting Kyle [Larson] do it, but he’s holding his breath the whole time.” – Kenny Schrader [31:03]
• “NASCAR gave away $2 million because the drivers are so damn lazy now that they just won’t talk about the sport.” – Kenny Wallace [38:56]
• “It’s a bonus for going above and beyond.” – Kenny Schrader clarifies [40:15]
• “He would go to these races… he was entering as Smoke Johnson so that way he could race the car without people… that’s kind of how it started because he was so damn popular.” – Herman Schrader [47:56]
• “You’d get an eye blackened real quick … that stuff didn’t fly.” – Kenny Schrader on old-school driving ethics [51:24]
• On John Force’s retirement: “What a career… He was still winning when he got hurt.” – Kenny Schrader [56:53]
• “A lot better dirt racer than her husband.” – Schrader, joking about Erin Evernham vs. Ray Evernham [64:13]

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Timestamps for Major Segments

• Introductions & Number Debate: [01:36] – [07:00]
• Missouri, Shops, and Motorcycles: [07:00] – [12:45]
• Bike Mishaps & “Wreck” vs. Accident: [13:38] – [16:19]
• Racing Recaps (Turkey Bowl): [19:42] – [25:36]
• Placerville Flips & NASCAR Stars: [25:58] – [34:18]
• Car Numbers/SVG News: [36:20] – [38:08]
• Driver Ambassador Program (DAP): [38:08] – [44:26]
• Tony Stewart/Smoke Johnson: [47:56]
• Jonathan Davenport’s Streak: [49:07] – [50:04]
• Racing Etiquette (Bumpers and Bravery): [51:24] – [54:30]
• NHRA Rainout/John Force Retirement: [55:25] – [58:57]
• Outlaw Racing & Family Stories: [62:06] – [65:36]
• Midwest Jokes & Personal Q&A: [65:42] – [74:50]

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Tone & Style

• Casual, quick-fire storytelling and banter; heavy with Midwestern humor and nostalgia.
• Frank opinions, friendly ribbing, and heartfelt tributes woven with racing trivia and current events.
• Honest and accessible, welcoming to diehard fans and newcomers alike.

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For First-Time Listeners: What You’ll Get from This Episode

• A rollicking, lively conversation that goes well beyond NASCAR headlines, digging deep into what makes racing culture tick—family, tradition, risk, and relationships.
• Unvarnished personality from two of America’s most charismatic racing veterans.
• Unique behind-the-scenes perspective on modern NASCAR, the enduring grittiness of short-track dirt racing, and what it means to be a “racer’s racer,” whether you care about your car number or not.

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End Note:
“You better keep your mouth shut. Okay, next subject.” – Kenny Schrader, summing up the show’s unfiltered soul [44:39]

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[Herman Schrader]

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[Kenny Schrader]

He is a drinker in the show. I mean, yeah, he does.

[Herman Schrader]

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[Kenny Schrader]

I like spending time with you.

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[Kenny Schrader]

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[Kenny Schrader]

We don't know that we're not in trouble already. And sometimes truthful. What makes you think you're not a little different?

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[Kenny Schrader]

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[Kenny Schrader]

You don't say Arnold, Missouri. You say Arnold, Missouri all the time. Everything's Arnold.

[Herman Schrader]

You know, we had a conversation about this because, you know, you're from Dittmer, Missouri and you used to live in Dittmer, Missouri. Yeah. Well, you used to say to me, why do you got that STL logo on the hood of your race car? And I would. And I would say, well, because I represent. You know, I just kind of like, I would say this, Kenny, you and Rusty, I put you both. You're different, but you're both the same. You're both tough guys. Numbers don't matter. Towns don't matter to me. I get emotional about everything. I'm very emotional person.

[Kenny Schrader]

Yeah, okay. Numbers don't matter.

[Herman Schrader]

Yeah, they made a big. Did you see Dirty Mo Made a big deal out of that on their own. I had nothing to do with it.

[Kenny Schrader]

Okay, I want to reword what I said. I could give a rats whatever about what number my car is. I don't care. I understand. You gotta be 36. You got to be 36. It means everything to you. I almost want to change my number every year just to. Just to change it because I don't give a. Whatever. So numbers are not. They don't make any difference for scoring the race anymore because we have transponders from most every little quarter mile track in the world to Talladega, we have transponders. So they don't make any difference for scoring. But if someone has a big emotional tie or the fan does or whatever, that's fine. I just don't have it.

[Herman Schrader]

So I was talking to Mike Davis. He called me and he said, hey, he says, you know, dirty Mo media, you know, they're off. You know, we're still doing our stuff, we're still doing arm and training, but they're off. So they get it. Yeah, what the hell the deal with that? Yeah, but they're editing up their best of. So those guys are just, you know, they're editing up things from the past. So Mike Davis calls me and he goes, did you see that deal we made about Schrader and numbers? I said, I did. I said, caught me off guard. I said, I felt like we. I felt like that was a year ago. But anyway, good, good stuff and looking forward, we do have a big story about numbers and. But we will get to that. That is about svg. Numbers mean so much to Shane Van Gisbergen. I mean, this guy was balling, crying emotionally. And we will get to that in the show. Craig Moore, there you are.

[Craig Moore]

Hello.

[Herman Schrader]

Talk to us.

[Craig Moore]

Talk to you. Okay, well, I've got a question. Couple questions. What does the number 36 mean to you?

[Herman Schrader]

So when I grew up as a kid, I was born in St. Louis, raised in Rolla on Main Street. There was this shoe store. It was called Blades Shoe Shack. Blade Shoe Shack sponsored a guy named Lee Lutz. Lee owned the car my dad drove for him. And Lee was a great mechanic, and it was number 36. So when I was born, my dad was driving number 36. Then my mother. It was my mom, Judy. She looked at me and she said, ken, hon, you're the third son. Now, my. My mother instilled this, you know, at me. I'm very impressionable because I'm young. And mom goes, it's Rusty Mike. And you, you're the third son. You're the sixth racer of the family. It's Russ, Uncle Gary. Mom ran Powder Puffs, Rusty Mike, me. Now, this is mom. She reminds me of Felix Sabadis. Have you ever been around Felix, Kenny with numbers?

[Kenny Schrader]

No, not. I haven't. I mean around me.

[Herman Schrader]

But he gets crazy with numbers. Well, then to end it, Craig, I was born in 1963. So backwards, 36. I've just been number 36 forever and makes sense.

[Craig Moore]

I get it now. Now I understand much more about that story. And you two both live in Missouri?

[Herman Schrader]

Yes.

[Craig Moore]

How close are you to one another within the state?

[Kenny Schrader]

We're 25 miles. Oh, if you. If the bird flies, were probably 15 takes 25 to get there.

[Herman Schrader]

We 20. When. When Mark Martin drove up the driveway a couple weeks ago, Kenny was out there in Vegas and at the SEMA show. It was that show you were at. What's the name of that show? Apex. Yeah, but anyway, I made sure that Mark Martin was out at Kenny's. So we just drove right on out the Schrader shop.

[Kenny Schrader]

And yeah, I called him, told him. Told him I was not a hoarder. It just looked.

[Herman Schrader]

Oh, my God. Oh, my God. This is a whole nother show.

[Craig Moore]

Okay, so, no, I've got to dive down this rabbit hole. Now. What. What makes your shop look like you're a hoarder?

[Kenny Schrader]

We have 15, 000 foot shop. Well, I had a 15, 000 foot shop here, and I had a 45, 000 foot shop in Charlotte. And when we moved a couple years ago, we sold a lot of stuff, but we haven't sold everything yet, so we got 60, 000ft of stuff in this 15, 000 foot shop. Now, it's a whole lot better than it was a year ago, but it's. It's still. We're still sorting through so it's full in some areas.

[Craig Moore]

Do you know where everything is?

[Kenny Schrader]

Yes.

[Craig Moore]

Okay, very good.

[Herman Schrader]

And he likes to buy motorcycles.

[Kenny Schrader]

Oh, I got, I got five or six motorcycles. That'.

[Craig Moore]

What'S your favorite motorcycle?

[Kenny Schrader]

Oh, I'm kind of a Honda guy. I was Suzuki guy for a long time. But I've got different ones. I got adventure bikes, you know, I mean kind of go off road a little bit. You know, you're not going big time off road with the bigger bikes, but I got some little dirt bikes and. Well, when we go into Kyle Petty ride which this year is a nine day ride, Kenny, you realize that.

[Herman Schrader]

Yes.

[Kenny Schrader]

And it's May 1st to the 9th, I think.

[Herman Schrader]

Yes.

[Kenny Schrader]

And it starts at Sonoma, California, ends at Charlotte Speedway and it has some fantastic stops along the way. Have you been to the motorcycle museum Dale's before? No.

[Herman Schrader]

No.

[Kenny Schrader]

You'll love that. I think we might be going to Coker Tire. I mean I saw them photos from there. We're going to ride tail the dragon which is 11 miles or something like that for 318, 20 turns or something. We're going to the camp again and we're gonna wind up Charlotte. But when we go, I get started because when going that ride and Anna go with me. So we'll take a Gold Wing trike on that ride because I have not fallen down since I put the third wheel on the bike. Made a huge difference.

[Herman Schrader]

Trikes when you got a sweetie and you got a girl. Besides trikes being awesome, they just are extra awesome when you got a girl with you too.

[Kenny Schrader]

When you don't want to fall over there.

[Herman Schrader]

Yeah. But we are looking forward to the Kyle Petty charity ride. They just got done with their dry run and we are super excited in Kenny. I am going to start, I'm announcing it right here. I'm going to start racing like Kenny Schrader, everybody. So if you watch any of these Herm and Schrader shows, I say Schrader at the end of the show. I say Kenny, where are you racing this week? And he goes, don't know. Haven't filled it in yet. So I am going to do like Schrader next year. That means I will start the Cal Petty Cherry ride and I will end it. We will not. We are not rushing.

[Kenny Schrader]

Done that before. You just got off a couple times.

[Herman Schrader]

Yeah, true. Okay. Craig Moore.

[Kenny Schrader]

Hey, wait. Let me, let me do one thing.

[Herman Schrader]

Oh yeah.

[Kenny Schrader]

We leave Sonoma, California. Eli, Nevada, Moab, Utah, Pleblo, Colorado, Witch, Kansas, Springfield, Missouri, Memphis, Tennessee, Chattanooga, Tennessee, Asheville, North Carolina, and ends up in Charlotte.

[Herman Schrader]

That's awesome. And at Charlotte, we're going to the 1010 racetrack, not the Charlotte Motor Speedway is what I saw Morgan Petty say. So that. That will be fun.

[Kenny Schrader]

Yeah, it's right next to the speedway.

[Herman Schrader]

Yeah. Looking forward to that stopping in Graceland. Oh, there's a lot to say. But hey, while we're on it, everybody, Kenny Schrader and Craig will tell you the Cow Petty charity ride. All the money goes to the Victory Junction Gang Camp. And if you feel it in your heart, go ahead and send them anything you got. It could be your time. But check it out, because we have all been there and it, man, it tugs. It tugs on your heartstring.

[Kenny Schrader]

Yep.

[Herman Schrader]

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[Craig Moore]

So full disclosure, I've gotta. I've gotta ask something.

[Kenny Schrader]

The.

[Craig Moore]

The next time that I ride a motorcycle will be the first time that I wrote a ride a motorcycle that I don't wreck. So I've rode a motorcycle. One time I wrecked, and I said, that's. I'm done with that. So I'm not a motorcycle person. Not that I have anything against it, but what's it like, you know, the, you know, driving from Sonoma, riding from Sonoma on a motorcycle to Sharp? I mean, do you guys just get wore out on. I mean, you know, riding a bike? It would seem like physically, it may be a tolling experience on your body.

[Kenny Schrader]

It's not bad. I mean, I mean, I've rode a lot. Most I've rode, one time was like 19 hours. But it's. I mean, the way they do it and the way they've got it set up, it's the most you're on the bike at a time is what, two and a half, three hours, Kenny, maybe.

[Craig Moore]

Oh, that's not bad.

[Herman Schrader]

Yeah, it is the. It is the most wonderful time. It is so organized. You want for nothing. They take care of your luggage. It's awesome.

[Kenny Schrader]

Yes, it's great.

[Herman Schrader]

It really is. It really is. Okay, wait, wait.

[Kenny Schrader]

Let me ask you. You, you. Now I learned this this week. I think I learned it. You wrecked, you said. Right.

[Craig Moore]

Well, I will call it a wreck. Basically, what happened was I was in college buddy's house. Buddy of mine had a motorcycle, and he's like, why don't you try it? It's not that hard. I'm like, okay. So I get on this thing and I, you know, I just never been on a Motorcycle. I gas it. I just give it full throttle and the thing comes up on me and we. We land on our side. And I said, okay, that's it. I'm done now. I've ridden on the back. On the back of plenty of motorcycles. No big deal. But I'm. I'm good with my four wheels on the ground.

[Kenny Schrader]

Okay, well, I was with Mark Miner, helped us this week, Kenny, and. Oh, yeah, you know, he does a lot of his towing company, Miners Towing, does a lot of work with the police. And the difference between a wreck and.

[Herman Schrader]

An accident, what is it?

[Kenny Schrader]

Well, from what he told me, he said, okay, you're sitting at stoplight and someone comes in and plows to you. Yeah, you were in an accident. Yeah, that guy wrecked. That guy.

[Herman Schrader]

Yes.

[Kenny Schrader]

A wreck is a avoidable. An accident you couldn't avoid.

[Craig Moore]

Well, that's why they call it an accident you wrecked.

[Herman Schrader]

Where's. Where's Dick Trickle right now? That is Dick Trickle through.

[Kenny Schrader]

I love that he would explain it to us for sure.

[Herman Schrader]

Yeah, Trickle, Craig. Dick Trickle would say to me, that was 50 your fault wrecking after Charlotte Motor Speedway. I said, dick, I said, I the guy run into me, he goes, kenny, my boy, you went on the racetrack.

[Kenny Schrader]

Yes, yes.

[Craig Moore]

Yeah. Well, that's why they call it a. An accident instead of an on purpose.

[Kenny Schrader]

Yeah, well, yeah, it was. Was not avoidable.

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[Herman Schrader]

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[Kenny Schrader]

Might have been we had anything to talk about.

[Herman Schrader]

Oh, Lord. Kenny, come on. We. We had cup drivers out in Placerville, and, you know, we got Joey Logano and Ross Chastain with the DAP award. We got Superman. Four in a row, Jason. I mean, we. We gotta go. We gotta go.

[Kenny Schrader]

Let's go to where all the Hendrick drivers are upside down.

[Herman Schrader]

Okay. There is a method to our madness. Everybody, let's get the show started. All right, Kenny, I paid attention. You had a really good weekend. Tell me what you did over the weekend.

[Kenny Schrader]

We went to the turkey bowl in Springfield, Missouri at an open test. Wednesday. We didn't go. The actual event started Thursday. Our class, we ran the A mod and the B mod, and there was 529 cars over the eight classes that ran the three days. Thursday, Friday, Saturday, it was kind of split up. Unbelievable chamber commerce weather. 80 degrees in daytime. Jerry Hoffman always has a great racetrack. Had good shows and a mod. They had 73amods. 20 make it. So that's your first hurdle, is to make the race. So we made the race. We were Seventh. Started seventh and charged all the way to sixth.

[Herman Schrader]

That's really good.

[Craig Moore]

Really good.

[Kenny Schrader]

Right? We didn't go backwards. And in the B mod, they had 83 cars, and we started 16th and got the 12th, so. Oh, I. I mean, the main thing there is. It's just such a fun event. And, you know, Jerry has grown it. This was the 19th annual, so more cars came out. It was over 400 last year, but more cars came out because of the weather. And the thing about going to race at Jerry's track is, you know, the racetrack is going to be good. It's going to be smooth. It's going to be. Have a top and a bottom, and you can run anywhere in between. So that's. That's what makes people really want to go there.

[Herman Schrader]

Yeah. And let me just brag on Kenny a little bit. Everybody, when you show up at these racetracks and there's 80 race cars, and that means 60 of them are going to go home because they only start 20. What Kenny Schrader pulled off, let me remind everybody, this. We all wrote. We all spent time with Dale Earnhardt Senior. And I'm gonna tell you what Senior said, Herman, just because you're a NASCAR driver does not mean you're any better than anybody. There are thousands of great race car drivers. So when Kenny Schrader went to Springfield, there were some guys that could be cup if. If, you know, they wanted to.

[Kenny Schrader]

Yeah.

[Herman Schrader]

And it is no joke. It is no joke. Well, so for you to make both races, it was a. Kenny, I'm bragging on you. What you pulled off was miraculous. Good job.

[Kenny Schrader]

Miraculous. But we, We. We didn't embarrass ourselves real bad.

[Herman Schrader]

Well, Terry Phillips was in a B.

[Kenny Schrader]

Main and we were on a B main to get in, too, in the beam. Yeah. Well, whatever. It worked out. It was great show. And you know what? Behind the World finals. Not the World Finals. Behind the Shark Track Nationals at Charlotte Speedway and Boone and maybe the Ice bowl last year. He was behind the Ice Bowl.

[Herman Schrader]

Yeah.

[Kenny Schrader]

This is probably going to be the third highest car count of the year. While.

[Herman Schrader]

That is awesome.

[Kenny Schrader]

Yeah.

[Herman Schrader]

Yeah. Boone Nationals, I guess.

[Kenny Schrader]

Boon Nationals. And the Shark Nationals at Charlotte. Not the World Finals.

[Herman Schrader]

Yeah.

[Kenny Schrader]

Shark Track Nationals the week before.

[Herman Schrader]

Yeah. With all the divisions. Well. And just from me to you. I know I like to remind people. I take tidbits of everybody. You teach me stuff. Earnhardt, Dick Trickle, and Rusty. And Rusty comes through right now. He says, it's sad to say. You got to remind people. And you know us Wallaces, we Run our mouths. And so I'm reminding everybody, you, it ain't easy.

[Kenny Schrader]

You more than the other two, but. Yeah, you too. You do.

[Herman Schrader]

I, I've always like to listen to myself.

[Kenny Schrader]

Yeah.

[Herman Schrader]

Okay. And for me, I'm going to brag on me because my sponsors like him. You know, I, I've noticed something sponsors, you know, I, I've noticed something Schrader does lately, and I'm gonna take one from Schrader. Kenny Schrader says win number nine on the year and it's something new he started.

[Kenny Schrader]

You never said that this year, did you?

[Herman Schrader]

No, because I didn't want.

[Kenny Schrader]

I didn't want.

[Herman Schrader]

I got to win number seven and I just let it go.

[Kenny Schrader]

Okay. No, I was just as, as just throwing.

[Herman Schrader]

I liked it, but that was not like you. And I thought, here's what I do like about it. You would say the last one, you said win number 13 on the year, but then the Bishops, you know, that are, that are your bosses. They like that. And it's. Everything's Federated Auto Parts. So I'm going to take my opportunity. That I learned from Kenny Schrader. My Sunoco dirt car won a couple championships this year and they weren't easy. Had to go up against Rick Conoyer. So to say they were easy would be demeaning my competition. So I had to go against Rick Conoyer. So we won the Bull Ring championship. That was between Peevely and Brownstown. That was against Rick Conoyer. And then we won the Missouri Illinois region. And both of these were extremely hard. And I want to thank my sponsors, Sunoco for sponsoring me and Kenny. Thank you for teaching me that lesson all year long something new you did, and I liked it. You reminded everybody and you didn't know you were doing it. And I think of Dale Earnhardt senior all the time.

[Kenny Schrader]

Yeah, you didn't just race Rick Canoyer.

[Herman Schrader]

Right?

[Kenny Schrader]

Rick was the one that you were in the battle with at the end, but you didn't just race Rick Canoyer.

[Herman Schrader]

Yes, yes. He's very good. Very good. Okay, here we go. The NASCAR drive. Well, take a sip of coffee, everybody.

[Kenny Schrader]

I'm on ash water now.

[Herman Schrader]

Here's the headline, everybody. We're Starting to show 21 minutes in NASCAR drivers had out head out west for the USC open wheel midgets. They were at Placerville. And let's start like this, guys. Just a week before, maybe five, six days before, they all went out to Placerville, which was Kyle Larson, Corey Day. It's all about Corey Day right now, Kenny. Hendrick Motorsport announced that Corey Day will be in the 17 O'Reilly Auto Parts Car next year full time. So with that being said, that was a big announcement. Corey Day is. Is really an open wheel guy in. Kenny, I'm sure you watched it. He flipped. Like, I think even you'll admit that was a flip. Did you see it?

[Kenny Schrader]

Yeah. Corey Day turned over big time. Yeah, he. He took a. He took a ride. It was not one you want to be in. Yeah. Had to be thinking, oh, I got Corey and Kyle out there upside down. Kyle just spun around in the air now. He spun around, you know, pretty impressively.

[Herman Schrader]

Yeah, that was funny.

[Kenny Schrader]

Landed, land it, and then tipped over. Well, it won't know, Kenny.

[Herman Schrader]

It was good, though.

[Kenny Schrader]

But when you're riding in them, huge difference. Huge difference between Corey's and Kyle's. They both look really cool. But when you're bouncing, you know, huge difference between the two of them.

[Herman Schrader]

Okay. When I was a kid, I'll never forget it. It. It maimed me. I saw Kenny Schrader. Okay, Craig Moore. I'm going through Valley Park, Missouri, and Kenny knows this story. I see Kenny Schrader at a stoplight. Scared the hell out of me. All the whites in his eyes were blacked out. So Kenny Schrader can tell you a thing or two about spinning like Corey Day did.

[Kenny Schrader]

Now, Kenny, I was in Rex and had some accidents.

[Herman Schrader]

Do you think Corey Day's eyes are blacked out today?

[Kenny Schrader]

I don't know. I don't know. He missed what causes that community if they're not. He missed an opportunity.

[Herman Schrader]

Tell everybody about that, Kenny.

[Kenny Schrader]

It just. Baby's doing it for falling out of cribs or something sometimes or. I mean, you just break the blood vessels in your eyes and that's all. Yeah, it's just a big deal.

[Craig Moore]

It looks a lot worse than what it really is, is what you're saying.

[Kenny Schrader]

Yeah, yeah. Nemachek did it big time a month or so ago.

[Herman Schrader]

What about Ricky Rudd years ago? Kenny 84?

[Kenny Schrader]

Yeah. Yeah. He turned over at the Bud Shootout. Bud Moore's car got a little help off before tumbled big. What was big about that? I mean, the eyes, nothing. But then you weren't. You know, the seats weren't like they were. And just like the king at Darlington 67 or something, he's hanging out of the car while it's turning over and stuff. That's. Them guys were lucky. But Ricky, his eyes were like swollen shut, so they taped him open and he won Richmond the next weekend.

[Herman Schrader]

That's where I wanted you to go with this story. That was badass.

[Kenny Schrader]

Yeah, Ricky's. Ricky is tough. I mean, Ricky was tough.

[Herman Schrader]

Okay, none of my business, but I got to give my opinion on this, because this is like you're sitting at a bar. Hey, Wallace, what do you think Rick Hendrick was thinking when he watched that video of his new driver that could potentially make the big money? Corey day. He's not 20. Or is he? And he just signs with Hendrick Motorsport. And I. I gotta tell you, everybody, I told Kyle Larson one time, you know, Kyle, one of the greatest talents of all time, and all these drivers are going to do what they want to do. Let's be clear.

[Kenny Schrader]

To a point. To a point.

[Craig Moore]

If their owners let them do it.

[Herman Schrader]

Yeah, they're going to do what they want to do. But I told Kyle this at the Dover Hotel Casino. He was. He asked me about it so much to where I'm saying it right here. And I said, kyle, I said, make your $100 million in NASCAR. I said, your dirt fans will be waiting for you. And when I watched Corey Day, I thought, oh, my God. You know, so Corey's so young that I'm thinking, hey, go win that O'Reilly championship, get in the Cup Series, then go back and. And visit your dirt friends, because that was a close call.

[Kenny Schrader]

Yeah, I had a little texting session with Mr. Rick sometime this summer when they might have been Eldora, when they were hurting that weekend, when they hurt two or three guys about Kyle and running there and just how good he is. And it was funny, his thoughts, like he was letting him doing it, but he's holding his breath the whole time.

[Herman Schrader]

I told. I told some friends, I said, go and do what Kenny Schrader did and Jeff Gordon did. Now, they might have done something here or there, but you never saw Kenny Schrader and you never saw Jeff Gordon go, you know what? Screw the Cup Car. I'm gonna go run Eldora every week. What made you make that decision, Kenny?

[Kenny Schrader]

Well, I ran. I ran my dirt car all time and ran, you know, some Silver Crown stuff, and still while I was running. But it was different then. I mean, it was. It was a lot different then. Guys weren't making what they. What they make now, and it just wasn't, you know, it wasn't as much at risk. I mean, it was a lot, but nothing like it is now.

[Herman Schrader]

I like the way you went about it. You drove, although you did. I'm not putting words in your mouth. I'M just saying what I saw. You didn't, you didn't run an open wheel car every week. You were in your late model, your Budweiser 25, your AC Delco 52.

[Kenny Schrader]

Wasn't. Kyle was leading. Was he leading or right there? He was right.

[Craig Moore]

Battling.

[Kenny Schrader]

Yeah, but he got, he got. I mean, that was Persley, wasn't it? Or Jason.

[Herman Schrader]

Yeah, maybe it was Jason. Not sure. Everybody will remind us.

[Kenny Schrader]

Yeah, that. I mean, it looked like he's sliding, but just missed it by four feet, you know, and it just got Kyle out of the ballpark.

[Craig Moore]

It looked like he. He went down and hit the inside berm there and that kind of shot him. Not shot him up, but he kind of drifted up after that and. Yeah, and got into him.

[Herman Schrader]

And we, we will get to the NHRA drag racing later. But as everybody know, Pomona was an outright, I mean, monsoon out. And that rain was up there in Placerville. So the track was not ideal. It was very narrow. They started the race, everybody, like they do the Chili Bow. Everybody was around the bottom. Then Kyle caught lap cars and he was in no man's land. I went, no, no. Okay, okay. So Kenny, they, they did. Just did a good job getting Placerville in because of all the rain out there.

[Kenny Schrader]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Some of those west coast tracks aren't that smooth most of the time.

[Herman Schrader]

They're gnarly.

[Kenny Schrader]

They're horrible. I have some issues.

[Herman Schrader]

I asked Rico Abreu about that. I said, my God, every one of those west coast tracks, he goes, yeah. That's why when we come to the Midwest, it's not a big thing. If we hit a pebble in the Midwest, we're like, oh, it's not. They jump. That's what they do. Yep, they jump.

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[Herman Schrader]

Okay, so Dyson pursley won $20,000. That was one of your bigger open wheel midget races, I think, Kenny. Is that right?

[Kenny Schrader]

Yeah. That's good payoff for the midgets. It's one of their highest ones. Got to be.

[Herman Schrader]

Yeah. Okay, we are. We talked about Corey Day who just signed to run full time O'Reilly Auto Parts next year with Hendrick. He's gonna drive the 17.

[Kenny Schrader]

Okay. You say to run O'Reilly's Auto Parts Series.

[Herman Schrader]

Yeah.

[Kenny Schrader]

Okay.

[Herman Schrader]

Yeah. So Corey Day is. Okay, let's dumb it down for all of us old people. Corey Day is going to run full time Bush series next year.

[Kenny Schrader]

Yeah. Okay. But that was O'Reilly's. Okay. When you first. Okay.

[Craig Moore]

Yeah. I believe the sponsor of the car is the hendrickcars.com.

[Kenny Schrader]

Yeah. Okay.

[Herman Schrader]

That was a big announcement. Okay. We're gonna keep on going in nascar, everybody.

[Kenny Schrader]

They announced.

[Herman Schrader]

And here's where we go with the numbers, everybody. Connor Zillich will go full time in cup, as we always knew with Track House, but he's gonna drive the 88. Okay, now we knew that, so we're gonna go right to this. Talking about car numbers. Numbers are very emotional for some race car drivers. Shane Van Gisbergen started crying. Not a little bit because he gets his number 97 back. 97 is a big number, is where he's from. And the locals back there celebrate his success in NASCAR by people running the 97. Look at me. I'm like SVG. So SVG reads a letter and I believe it was from his father or it was documented that SVG will be in the cup series next year here in America with his number 97.

[Kenny Schrader]

And.

[Herman Schrader]

So those two swap numbers. Connor Zillich takes the 88 and SVG gets his 97 back. You guys got anything to say about that? That was NASCAR news.

[Kenny Schrader]

Okay, well, you already know where I'm at are numbers, but.

[Herman Schrader]

Okay.

[Kenny Schrader]

No, if it means that much to SVG, that's great. And that's. He needs to be 97. If it. I'm. That's neat. And I think Track House, I'm a big Justin Marks fan and, you know, it's neat that they made that happen.

[Herman Schrader]

So we are going to go through Craig's notes later in the show, but we both overlap on this one, so we might talk about it twice. It was, it was very surprising news in nascar. We knew about it early in the year, but we didn't talk about it. They got this driver ambassador program, but when I read this, I went, holy moly. So you, you take your NASCAR cup drivers. NASCAR says, look, we're going to pay you guys because you're getting lazy. You won't help us out. So during the first quarter or the first half of the NASCAR year, whoever talks the most is going to get $1 million.

[Kenny Schrader]

Man, you'd have been a shoe in back in the day.

[Herman Schrader]

Out of one, baby, you'd have won.

[Kenny Schrader]

That damn thing every year.

[Herman Schrader]

So in 2025. This year, this year, Joey Logano, for running his mouth about how great NASCAR is, received a cool $1 million in real money. That is insane. And at the end of the year, the winner was Ross Chastain. So NASCAR gave away $2 million because the drivers are so damn lazy now that they just won't talk about the sport. And, and that's true.

[Craig Moore]

And just to clarify, so it's split up into halves. So Joey Logano won the first half, Chastain the second half. But they're not the only ones making money on this. So, like, if you came in second place and the, you know, the, like the. We have the top five finishers for each half here. So like Kyle Larson in the first half of the year, he came in second. I don't know how much money he got, but he still got money. So, you know, they're, they're. I know from the MRN side, we had drivers coming to us saying, hey, if you've got a opening, you know, like if there's a, a O'Reilly series or Bush Series, whatever you want to call it, if you guys need a, a commentator for that, I am available.

[Kenny Schrader]

And I, I think you need to reword there, Kenny. Not the drivers are so damn lazy. It's a bonus for going above and beyond.

[Herman Schrader]

Yes, I agree.

[Kenny Schrader]

It's not that they're so damn lazy.

[Herman Schrader]

NASCAR's driver ambassador program, they call it DAP. DAP point structure and payment plan that incentivize drivers to promote NASCAR through media, community involvement, fan engagement. Joey Logano won first half of DAP for 1 million. And Ross Chastain won the second half, taking home his 1 million. Drivers earned 1 point. Now pay attention here, everybody. Drivers earned 1 point for each 15 minutes spent promoting NASCAR, but they were given additional points based on a variety of factors. Some Examples of appearances Joey Logano on Jimmy Kimmel, Chase Elliott on the ACM Awards. Bubba Wallace on Sesame Street, Kyle Larson and Kyle Busch on Games With Names podcast. Kyle Larson and Kyle Busch on the Pat McAfee Show. Bubba Wallace on Good Morning America, Ryan Blaney on hypebeast. And to end, Craig says record number of driver attendance at mlb, NFL, NBA, NHL and PGA events. Well done, Craig Moore.

[Craig Moore]

Yeah, it was all me. I made him do it.

[Herman Schrader]

Look at his notes.

[Kenny Schrader]

Everybody just getting the name of our sport out there, keeping it in. Everybody's in front of everybody.

[Herman Schrader]

Oh, my God, I can't get over that $1 million. Kenny, did you ever hear that story? So when Matt Kenseth wins the IROC championship, he goes to his local bank and they sent him the check for like $1 million. Like a real check that had one. It was, you know, they make checks that big. It was Matt somebody, I don't know, respond right here, everybody. The story's out there. He takes it to his local bank, goes through the drive thru and gives it to the teller. The teller looks at it, her eyeballs get big and she starts running. Hold on, hold on. Who was that, guys?

[Kenny Schrader]

I. I never heard that one.

[Herman Schrader]

It was Matt.

[Craig Moore]

I've heard the story. I believe you're right. I believe it was Matt.

[Kenny Schrader]

Yeah, Matt's pretty funny.

[Herman Schrader]

Yeah, yeah, he tells it in his dry humor. Yeah, so I've heard.

[Craig Moore]

So, you know, we've all been around Matt, and I've never seen the. The dry humor mats. You know, he's always been buttoned up and everything that I've been involved with him in. But the stories I've heard is that he was the funniest guy in the garage back in the day.

[Kenny Schrader]

Yeah, he's just good guy. I was at a. Visiting a school. I had some special ed kids in there, and it was like a Tuesday after Daytona when he won it. He went it once or twice, but this was Tuesday after. And this one kid in there was like, oh, I'm a big Matt Kenseth fan. Matt Kansas. I said, well, let's see if we can call him. At least you can leave him a message. And he answered, which Matt always answers, but he was in New York doing this media stuff, but he was in between stuff. And I said, hey, buddy, I'm here. And I got a. I got a young man that really likes you. And they talk for five minutes on the phone. I signed the kid a postcard. I said, to his parents, you know, giveaway cards to his parents. I said, you know, your son Michael really did talk to Matt Kenseth today, you know, so he's just good guy, the.

[Herman Schrader]

The funniest guy and the best guy in NASCAR probably in history. You're looking at him. Kenny Schrader. I can tell so many stories about Schrader. And he'll go, that was not me. That was not me. I'm a.

[Kenny Schrader]

You better keep your mouth shut. Okay, next subject.

[Herman Schrader]

What about the one you said at the banquet to Jeff Gordon? Jeff.

[Kenny Schrader]

No, that's. Don't go there. Okay, next.

[Herman Schrader]

You're so mature. Now, subject. All right, everybody, that is our NASCAR news.

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[Herman Schrader]

I'm going to set you up.

[Kenny Schrader]

Kenny, when you say NASCAR drivers went to California. Yeah. That's not the news. The news is there was a USAC midget race there and two NASCAR drivers showed up. I mean, just. Just. There just happened to be two NASCAR drivers there. It's, you know, the race is the race. It don't make any difference. That just. Just happened to be. Two guys showed up that. Around nascar.

[Herman Schrader]

I got something to say about this. So when I went dirt racing, nobody would take it seriously. And I said, go to Tony Stewart and go to Kenny Schrader and go to Kyle Larson and Christopher Bell and tell them that dirt racing is nothing. It's those little old cars, and you run around those little old tracks. So when these cup drivers go to these dirt races, the sh. The spotlight is much brighter and it solidifies the seriousness of dirt racing. So my Brother Rusty would say, what the hell? You running that old dirt car? That's a little old racing. That don't mean nothing. I said, rusty, tell Tony Stewart that. Yeah, so dirt racing's real. It's very hard and the best of the best. So what it is, is. You forget what you tell me, Schrader. Dirt racing's really hard.

[Craig Moore]

When you say Tony Stewart, I think you mean Smoke Johnson.

[Kenny Schrader]

Yeah.

[Herman Schrader]

Oh, yeah, that's right. Oh, tell that story. Tell that story.

[Craig Moore]

Who wants to. I. I don't. I. I know part of the story. I don't. I know that he showed up at a track when he was. I believe it was, I don't know.

[Kenny Schrader]

Chili ball, wasn't it?

[Craig Moore]

Was it Chili Bowl?

[Kenny Schrader]

Yeah.

[Craig Moore]

I thought it was a sprint card.

[Kenny Schrader]

I don't know.

[Craig Moore]

I think he did this numerous times. Yeah. So, yeah, there's probably different variations, but he.

[Herman Schrader]

He would go to these races, and if they knew he was coming, it would be standing room only. It would be insane. And they could not control the crowd. At that time, they. At that time, so he did not want anybody to know he was coming to the racetrack. So he was entering a Smoke Johnson so that way he could race the car without people, you know, in the pits. And that's kind of how it started because he was so damn popular. And if you remember, at the end there, he was getting into fist fights with fans in the pit area. And Sir Tony was right all along. It's like, let me just run this damn car. And people were getting very aggressive. So Tony knew what he was doing. He's very smart. Superman, Jonathan Davenport. Wow. Against the best. They were all there. He went on a heater. He won two out of three at the dirt world finals. Two out of three against the best in America. Then he went down to Senoia and he won them all. Tell me about what you saw about Jonathan Davenport.

[Kenny Schrader]

Well, I mean, they didn't. I mean, he's not called Superman because he wears a cape. I mean, he just. He's on top of his game. And, you know, he didn't win Lucas Oil deal this year, but week in, week out, you know, if you outrun Jonathan, you're. You're right there. And no one's done it, I think, the last four times he's been out, and that's when they weren't just one series and most all the guys showed up. So, yeah, I mean, he's. He's stout and, you know, he has been for a number of years now, and he's just like Other people have been in the past. He's, you know, Billy was there, Billy Moyer was there. Bloomquist was there. He's there. It just. He's gonna ride it for all it's worth right now.

[Herman Schrader]

Yeah, and we already talked about it. Jason Pursley. That was a hundred laps at Placerville. That was not an easy race.

[Kenny Schrader]

20 grand.

[Herman Schrader]

What do you know about Jason? Personally, Kenny?

[Kenny Schrader]

I don't really know much.

[Herman Schrader]

Yeah, well, congratulations.

[Kenny Schrader]

I know that he was getting booed really loud when he got out of the car in victory lane.

[Herman Schrader]

They were mad. He outrun Kyle Larson.

[Kenny Schrader]

Out running was the problem.

[Craig Moore]

Yeah.

[Herman Schrader]

Man. I'll tell you what.

[Kenny Schrader]

Kyle flipping out of the park, circling out of the park.

[Herman Schrader]

I talked to Rico Abreu. We were at Fairberry five years ago. And they're coming to the checker in open wheel midgets Illinois speed week for. For open one midgets. And the second place guy is not even close and does his slide job. And this driver takes his right rear, sticks it right in the center of Rico, knocks Rico up and the guy wins the race. And the race is over. And I went over there and like these kids nowadays, Kenny, was it. Was it like. They didn't think anything of it. What about in your day, Kenny? Was that a. No, no in your day?

[Kenny Schrader]

Well, you'd get your head, you know, you get an eye blackened real quick. You know, it just didn't happen all the time. We had a couple guys that were a little rough run with, but you. That. That stuff didn't fly. You know, it just didn't happen. Hey, let me tell you one real quick. Talking about. It was just different because Jimmy Carruthers, 75, I think one the USC Silver Crown Championship.

[Herman Schrader]

What a name.

[Kenny Schrader]

But he gets diagnosed, he doesn't make it. He doesn't live to the banquet in December. He gets diagnosed with terminal cancer during the season. But I wasn't there. But the story goes, him and Gary Bettenhausen at Winchester of all places, in a sprint car. And they go down into one. And Bettenhausen's winds up wrecked. And he's waiting for Jimmy after the race. He goes down there to jump. Not physically, but to get in Jimmy's face. And Jimmy just smiles and hands him a beer. He said, gary, we're at Winchester and you're trying to out brave a terminal cancer patient.

[Herman Schrader]

Holy moly.

[Kenny Schrader]

So they just had a beer instead. It was different.

[Craig Moore]

What a story.

[Herman Schrader]

That is unbelievable. That has stopped me in my.

[Kenny Schrader]

I wasn't there, but I've Heard too many times, Kenny.

[Herman Schrader]

Sometimes when I see what racers do. No, don't get. Don't make fun of me. But I. I see some of these things where people. You know the old saying, I drive it until I see Jesus. Do you think some people in their mind when they're going in the corner, do you think they think it is about bravery? Like you and I, we're all about geometry. We got to enter at this corner so we can get off the corner at this speed. Do you think some drivers got it in their mind that they are daredevils? Because I never thought I was a daredevil. I thought I was doing dangerous things and I could die. But I never drove the car thinking I was going to die.

[Kenny Schrader]

I mean, I don't think a lot. It sounds good to say that stuff, but I don't think a lot. I always let off right before I think something bad's gonna happen.

[Herman Schrader]

Me too, buddy.

[Kenny Schrader]

No difference. Makes no difference how much throttle you use or how deep you drive into the turn. The only thing that makes any difference is from the start finish line back around is how long that takes. And it's not always by getting in there the hardest.

[Herman Schrader]

I saw a picture this week of Danny and Gaius, which. It's been around for years.

[Kenny Schrader]

I know.

[Herman Schrader]

Did you see the. It's just out again to remind everybody.

[Kenny Schrader]

Legs hanging out.

[Craig Moore]

Oh, lord.

[Kenny Schrader]

Stan Fox was. Same way.

[Herman Schrader]

Oh, my God.

[Kenny Schrader]

He hit his head, though.

[Herman Schrader]

Yeah. Okay, let's lighten this up. That one. That story. That story stopped me right in my tracks. Unbelievable story. Wow. Okay, everybody. Okay, let's. Let's breathe. Let's go to nhra. We're. We're getting closer to jokes. I like this headline, guys. I want you both to comment on this. I saw this headline, so I typed it out exactly the way Jeff Gluck and Bob Pock rest. I think it was Bob Pocras because it's on fox. And Bob Pocras works for. For fox. Here it is. NHRA gets outright cancelled because of constant rain in Pomona. I like that headline. Tell me what you think of that, Kenny.

[Kenny Schrader]

If it rains, you can't race drag cars. Yeah, they're.

[Herman Schrader]

They're not even going to Monday. They're not even going to Tuesday.

[Kenny Schrader]

Yeah, well, I don't know if it was because I don't know what dictated that decision, if it was because of continued weather or what, but obviously I. I read somewhere that everybody kind of agreed it was the right decision.

[Herman Schrader]

Yeah, it can get. It can get tough, too. I mean, I know they do really good job on the. On the starting line, but, man, just keeping rubber laid down in between rain and. No, they got the ability with the machines, but okay. So, Kenny, I'm super excited. Our hero, Doug Coletta. As hard as it was for him to win those championships, he is now your 20, 25 Top Fuel NHRA champ. Congratulations to Doug Coletta. I got goosebumps just now because I like him so much. Austin Proc wins funny car. Dallas Glenn, what a cool name. He wins pro stock. And Richard Gadson wins pro stock motorcycle. And everybody, that is your NHRA champions. And just for a kicker, while we were all racing or off, it's official. John Force announced his official retirement.

[Kenny Schrader]

What a career, you know. Wow. Wow. And then, you know, he was still. He was still winning when he got hurt, you know, So, I mean, he was. He was on top of his stuff till the very end.

[Herman Schrader]

I like what he said, guys. Craig, I'm gonna ask you this. He said if the fans make a lot of noise and they get real loud, I might come back and do a burnout. Because he, you know, he was the king of burnouts. You know, they'd get there to watch. What do you think of that, Craig? If he comes back and just does.

[Craig Moore]

A burnout, I think that'd be freaking awesome. Who doesn't want to see John Forrest do a burnout? Yeah, absolutely. I'm all for it.

[Herman Schrader]

Kenny, let me just say this. He's not right. You know, he got roughed up. So just doing a burnout is. It's a big deal, you know? Yeah. That's heartfelt. God, I love that guy.

[Kenny Schrader]

We did a commercial. I don't know if it was Western Idol or something. There was half a dozen of us in it years ago. Oh, wow. Was he funny when he was telling stories? Can't tell them either, but he was, wow, some good stories. Junior Johnson was in it. He was telling juniors. And you need. Put me in there. Put me in there.

[Craig Moore]

It's.

[Kenny Schrader]

I can do it. Put me in.

[Craig Moore]

So speaking of commercials, Schrader Ice. I was flipping through the old Facebook feed the other day, and I came. It just popped up. One of your old commercials where you're in a store like a Little Debbie cake, and you're holding the Little Debbie, like the. The poster guy. And, you know, the guy's like.

[Kenny Schrader]

Who'S.

[Craig Moore]

Racing the race car? You got the poster race. I just laughed.

[Kenny Schrader]

Funny. Little Debbie did a lot of neat stuff. They were. They're good people.

[Herman Schrader]

So much to say that is Another segment.

[Craig Moore]

Wow.

[Herman Schrader]

I was getting ready to comment, but I thought, no, let's keep going with Craig's notes here.

[Kenny Schrader]

I liked in the day. I liked all the ESPN Ride along commercial. Yes.

[Craig Moore]

Saw one of those the other day also.

[Herman Schrader]

But Kenny, you had such great sponsor. Here I go, Here I go. See?

[Kenny Schrader]

Okay, jokes.

[Herman Schrader]

Yeah. Okay, hold on, let me finish up. I'm just. You had great sponsors and you were in every convenience store and okay, so up this everybody with nhra. Those are our friends over there. They canceled the final race at the Cena season. John Force retires as a 16 time champion, all time NHRA winner at 157 wins. And Craig Moore in his notes says John has not raced since June of 2024 when he wrecked Virginia Nationals. And we'll finish this by a controversial statement. I've seen Dave Moody and I've seen other NASCAR types say this. What would happen if NASCAR canceled a race? Now we know they wouldn't. But this is the difference in both series. This is why we bring it up. I do remember, Kenny, where we went all the way to Tuesday. If you remember back in Michigan maybe. Oh gosh, 10 years ago we went all the way to Tuesday. Would the fans tolerate us canceling a race?

[Kenny Schrader]

Kenny, I don't know you and I don't have to worry about that. None of the three of us do because that's not our decision. But we also went to Loudon, New Hampshire on a Friday, our Saturday after Thanksgiving and ran the 312mile race that Jeff Burton won, I believe without a yellow flag.

[Craig Moore]

Yeah, but explain why you had to do that, why you had to go because you're basically going. That race had to be postponed.

[Kenny Schrader]

Was it that night? Was that 9 11? 9 11?

[Craig Moore]

Yeah.

[Kenny Schrader]

So yeah, okay. But yeah, I, I, I forget the whole deal because we, that was the, was that the race that was supposed to be that weekend?

[Herman Schrader]

Yeah.

[Kenny Schrader]

Okay. And then there wasn't another place to put it. So they put it there and we went to Dover. We skipped a weekend. Then we went to Dover and I remember I was eating, I was in St. Louis. I guess I was eating with Joey takes care of dirt car. And Helton called say that they were canceling that weekend. And Joey's listening. He knew I was talking to somebody. NASCAR enjoys like. Sounds like I just got screwed. So yeah, we went dirt racing. Yeah.

[Herman Schrader]

Sorry. But I got, I do have to finish Craig Moore's notes here. World of Outlaw sprint cars. And we know, Craig, how big of a sprint car guy you are. Do you you know, do you want to take this one? Go ahead and take one of us.

[Kenny Schrader]

Okay.

[Craig Moore]

Well, yeah, it's a David Gravel champion. Back to back champion. First time the. You know, he's one of a number, small number of drivers that have been able to do that. And that's shots Kinser, Sammy Swindell, Brad Sweet, Jason Myers who had a pretty short career but a good career. David won his 120th race at the World Finals. He's just two away from Danny. Yeah.

[Kenny Schrader]

Which put him fifth or sixth.

[Craig Moore]

Lasaski is currently six on the list.

[Kenny Schrader]

Okay. That'll put David.

[Craig Moore]

So that would put him at six.

[Kenny Schrader]

When he gets to. And David's the only current driver that you know can.

[Craig Moore]

Yes.

[Kenny Schrader]

I mean there's. We got a lot good current drivers that are going to win a lot more races. But David's moving up into that top, top group there.

[Herman Schrader]

And I saw something this week that made me smile. Kenny Schrader made a rare appearance on Facebook. Kenny Schrader and Aaron Evernham have won one world of Outlaw. Hey, that is hard to do and she's no joke. But Kenny, tell me about that one world of outlaw. When. Where was that?

[Kenny Schrader]

It was at Grant City, 1905. Without a wing. It's when the. When the outlaws would run like one night. A lot of times they'd run two day show at some place. One night they'd run without a wing. Next night they'd run with a wing. Yeah.

[Herman Schrader]

Speaking of Aaron Evernham, she's married to Ray. She. I mean she was the real deal, wasn't she Kenny? And I mean it inevitably stops. It's so hard for a lady to stay racing. Just a hard thing.

[Kenny Schrader]

A lot better dirt racer than her husband.

[Herman Schrader]

Yeah.

[Kenny Schrader]

Hope you're watching Ray and he is.

[Herman Schrader]

He will hear about it. Okay.

[Craig Moore]

Well, if you ever run into Ray and Aaron together.

[Kenny Schrader]

I tried to stay off the racetrack so I didn't run into Ray. That would be an accident because it was unavoidable if he was out there.

[Craig Moore]

Ask Aaron or Ray about the time that Aaron won a race and then Ray wrecked her after the race and literally sent her outside the track.

[Kenny Schrader]

Really?

[Craig Moore]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Herman Schrader]

Oh, my Rusty brother. Rusty won a race at Springfield, Missouri Ozark Empire fairgrounds. His first win against Larry Phillips and Mark Martin. And Rusty comes, you know the race is over. He makes one more lap down the front straightaway and he's waving to the fans. Me and Paul Andrews, the dog, we're so excited. We're running to victory lane and plus he's coming Back and the whole clip is. I mean, he destroyed the car. We said, what happened? He said, I was so busy waving, he told us the truth. He was waving to the fans and run it right in the wall.

[Craig Moore]

Yep.

[Herman Schrader]

Oh, man. Okay, jokes.

[Craig Moore]

Jokes. We got jokes. All right, here we go. Jokes. Why don't eggs tell jokes?

[Herman Schrader]

I don't know. It sounds funny already.

[Kenny Schrader]

Oh, wait a minute. No, it's joke and yolk.

[Craig Moore]

What?

[Kenny Schrader]

They already it. Yolk.

[Craig Moore]

Nope, no yolk. No yolk.

[Kenny Schrader]

Okay.

[Craig Moore]

They might crack up.

[Kenny Schrader]

Oh.

[Herman Schrader]

As Anne would say, that's sweet.

[Craig Moore]

What did the. What did the big flower say to the little flower? Hi, Bud.

[Herman Schrader]

Oh, that's Bud. Gotta be smart.

[Craig Moore]

You gotta think about these a little.

[Herman Schrader]

Yeah.

[Craig Moore]

Did you hear about the guy who got hit in the head with a can of soda.

[Kenny Schrader]

Pop?

[Herman Schrader]

Something about pop. That's what I'm guessing.

[Craig Moore]

He was lucky it was a soft drink.

[Herman Schrader]

Oh.

[Craig Moore]

So you guys. You guys in the Midwest, you say pop, right?

[Kenny Schrader]

Soda.

[Craig Moore]

Soda. Okay. I grew up in Cincinnati and it was pop. Everything was pop down here. It's all, well, you've lived here. It's Coke.

[Herman Schrader]

Oh, what a relief. It is. I remember that commercial. What was that? What was that?

[Kenny Schrader]

Kenny, go to seniors and come over, have a cold beer. I said, well, I. How else do you drink them? I mean, you drink it hot, you know, I mean, they said, we have a cold beer.

[Craig Moore]

Okay.

[Herman Schrader]

They say that in Wisconsin a little bit too. Is that it?

[Craig Moore]

That's all the jokes I got?

[Herman Schrader]

Well, I got some.

[Craig Moore]

I got. I got something I'm gonna. I'm gonna spring on you guys.

[Herman Schrader]

No good.

[Craig Moore]

So we're gonna play let's get to know the Kennies.

[Herman Schrader]

Oh, okay.

[Craig Moore]

So I've got some questions for you. Not racing related. I've got a whole bunch of them. I'm not going to do all of them. If it goes well, maybe we'll do it again next. The next time we do the show. So, Mr. Wallace, what was your first car? Not race car, but car.

[Herman Schrader]

Road car, brother. Rusty's mother in law, Noe. We called her Novella. She gave me a green 68 Chevelle with a Kenny the top. It was like that leather. What did they call that? A hard time. Vinyl. Yeah. And I am so disappointed in myself that I didn't realize that I had a really kick ass body. I sold it to get. Yeah, I. Right. She gave it to me and I sold it. I just was dumb and bought him a 78 Pontiac Grand Prix. So when we got married, she had a nicer car, but that Was my first car. And I won't. No, he's gone now, but that man, that sure was nice of her.

[Craig Moore]

What about you, Schrader? What was Your first car?

[Kenny Schrader]

64 Dodge window van. Oh, Daddy told me. Give me 500. Buy a first car. Bought that baby. We painted it, paneled the inside, you know, window van. So just from the windows down. Paint it burnt orange and white. It was white. And put set of chrome reverse wheels on it. Sold that baby for 1500 bucks. And from then on, I didn't much care about cars. I was just. If. Buy one and sell it. Buy one and sell it. Buy one and sell it.

[Herman Schrader]

Did you have any girlfriends up in there?

[Kenny Schrader]

Not in the window van.

[Herman Schrader]

He didn't have curtains, huh? Cheech and Chong.

[Craig Moore]

All right, let's go on to the next question. Schrader, we'll start with you. What is your favorite vacation destination?

[Kenny Schrader]

Volusia County Speedway in February.

[Craig Moore]

I had a friend.

[Kenny Schrader]

You got a race car?

[Herman Schrader]

I was gonna say, I know him as good as anybody. He can't stand vacationing.

[Craig Moore]

All right, Herm, what about you? What's your favorite vacation destination?

[Herman Schrader]

Right now, it's brother Rusty's place in Cabo. If. If I. And actually, I need to get Kenny Nan to go because it's to die for. You just go down there and you. You leave. You say, let's go into the city of Cabo. You get down there, you get every year. Go. Let's go back to the house. It's just overlooking the city of Cabo and Sammy Hagar's joint. And it is a beautiful swimming pool. Hot Dub and Geo is the bus boy, and the meals and the massages, and it's just incredible.

[Kenny Schrader]

Yes.

[Craig Moore]

So I've talked to a couple of people that have stayed there, and they have talked about how everything you just said and the food isn't impeccable, just.

[Herman Schrader]

Like you want for nothing. It's like everything you want to do in life is, like, right there. Like, when you go, hey, let's have spa day. These people come up in a van and, you know, you eat breakfast and they go, okay, are you ready, Kenny and Kim? And all day long. I mean, it's spa day. And it's like, this is incredible.

[Kenny Schrader]

And.

[Herman Schrader]

And it never stops. It's just every day, it's something off the charts. And Schrader, Geo can make you anything you want. And, buddy, that hot tub, you don't want to get out. It's awesome.

[Kenny Schrader]

Can he build a quarter mile dirt track about a half mile away?

[Herman Schrader]

You know, I. I always think that, you know, they call it the Baja 1000. They go from San Diego down to Cabo. I think that's as close as we could get.

[Kenny Schrader]

That'd be good.

[Herman Schrader]

Yeah.

[Craig Moore]

All right, let's do one more of these. Wallace, how did you meet your wife?

[Herman Schrader]

Oh, I was in. I was a senior. I was in 12th, she was in 11th. And she came in to photography class learning, you know, back in those days, you took pictures. So we were developing film and. And she came in and buddy, I mean, it was the first day of school and she was dark, complected, and she's got like. Her eyebrows are perfect. And buddy, I just stopped right in my tracks so much to where Rusty and the whole team would make fun of me. Oh, Kenny's got a girlfriend. That's when it started.

[Craig Moore]

Raider. How did you meet Anne?

[Kenny Schrader]

She was dating a friend of mine and they.

[Herman Schrader]

Oh, boy.

[Kenny Schrader]

They eventually got married and we were just good friends and I mean, I met her through them, through him. And then a couple years later, they got divorced. And I was cleaning out my desk and I saw her business card because she was a nurse and worked for a pharmaceutical company then. And I called her and we ate dinner. And then she needs someone to go to a wedding. I need someone to go to a banquet. And things happen.

[Herman Schrader]

I want to brag on their relationship. I inducted Kenny Schrader into the Missouri Sports hall of fame or the St. Louis Sports hall of Fame, downtown St. Louis, last year. And Kenny's best friends were there. And I watched Kenny Schrader get emotional and. And he thanked. He thanked Dan and he started well enough.

[Kenny Schrader]

Yeah, because she had a job and I hadn't and I owed her twenty five hundred dollars. And if I married her, I couldn't. She'd Forget about the 2500 and I could get health insurance. So it was a no brainer. But then one week later, one week later, I got a cup ride. You talk about can't catch a break, man. I just can't catch a break, man.

[Herman Schrader]

They are. They got a great marriage. I love your wife and she's awesome.

[Kenny Schrader]

This is my house. A fun place to visit, but, boy, you got to be tough to live here. Yeah.

[Herman Schrader]

I want to say something about her. She is one of the rarest people I know. She's a lot like me, right? Because she talks and she has fun, but she. But listen, she sends cards to people, pops them in the mail. She is such a wonderful lady. And heartfelt. Sends me a birthday card every year. I call her or text her.

[Kenny Schrader]

It's hard for you or her to sneak up on somebody, but you can't. She can do it, believe me.

[Herman Schrader]

Yeah, she's awesome. She's awesome. Oh, I forgot I was running the show. I would. Shredder, next year, you're gonna start running this damn Herman Schrader. Okay, everybody, that is it.

[Craig Moore]

I think Mike is dead. He's.

[Herman Schrader]

Oh, stop it. He does that stuff to me all the time. See, he. I know that one. That's how long I've been with Schrader. I know that one.

[Kenny Schrader]

Say goodbye, Kenny.

[Herman Schrader]

All right, everybody. We'll just say, goodbye, everybody. Thanks for listening. As we come to the end of the year here, the shows will be getting a lot less.

[Kenny Schrader]

Do we think anybody listened?

[Herman Schrader]

Well, we know they do. All right, remember, if you want to watch this on the Kenny Wallace YouTube show, you can do that. If not, watch or listen on the Dirty Mo podcast. Until the next time. Goodbye, everyone.

[Kenny Schrader]

Bye. Bye.

[Herman Schrader]

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