Our Hometown NASCAR Track Put On A Show!

Summary

Herm & Schrader Podcast Summary

Episode Title: Our Hometown NASCAR Track Put On A Show!
Release Date: September 10, 2025
Hosts: Kenny Wallace ("Herm") & Kenny Schrader
Special Guest: Charlie Marlo
Theme: A deep dive into the NASCAR weekend at St. Louis’ Worldwide Technology Raceway, capturing the atmosphere, stories from the ground, the race itself, driver dynamics, and the broader state of racing.

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Overview

This episode wraps in high-octane energy, laughs, and the off-the-cuff honesty that defines Herm & Schrader. The guys spotlight their hometown NASCAR Cup event at St. Louis, exploring what made the weekend a hit—and what it says about the sport, its culture, and its direction, with plenty of dirt racing tangents, local flavor, jokes, and inside stories.

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Detailed Breakdown & Key Moments

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1. Home Track Vibes & Changing Seasons

• The episode opens with Herm and Schrader poking fun at each other ("How in the world did we agree to do a podcast? – Herm, 02:01), setting a friendly, hilarious tone.
• St. Louis Weather: Noted as a "chamber of commerce weekend" (Charlie Marlo, 11:11) with perfect early fall temperatures that helped draw crowds and created the ideal racing atmosphere.

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2. The St. Louis NASCAR Cup Race: Why It Was a Spectacle

The Track’s Transformation

• Schrader reminisces about the old days: “You just hugged the bottom… Now them guys running three, and we see them try to run four wide around there sometimes.” (Kenny Schrader, 03:37)
• St. Louis used to seem an unlikely Cup stop, but the track’s racing has become much more exciting—“as racy as any place” (03:55).

The “Show” Beyond The Race

• Charlie raves about the atmosphere and entertainment:
  • “Bill Murray, Rusty Wallace, Kyle Larson, Chase Briscoe, Ross Chastain, a woman smashing watermelons with her thighs, an actual goat in a Kyle Larson jersey… the show was incredible.” (Charlie Marlo, 05:40)
  • The pyro, music, and midway activities make St. Louis unique beyond the racing itself.

The Perfect Location & Community Support

• Schrader highlights the track’s proximity to downtown: “You look at the arch, move the camera … there’s Anheuser Busch, the mighty Mississippi. And it's not way off in the distance. It's right. Right there.” (08:07–08:20)
• Massive local sponsorship from stalwarts like Anheuser Busch, John Bommarito, and up-and-comers like First Form and Andy’s Custard (08:55), plus a strong base of Fortune 500 companies in the area.
• NASCAR execs (Ben Kennedy, Steve Phelps, Steve O’Donnell) in attendance signal the sport’s investment in St. Louis, possibly even hinting at bigger plans (09:45–10:23).

Notable Quote:
“It just feels like a NASCAR Cup city... If anybody wondered at first, oh, should they have a Cup date? Will it be here for a long time? … St. Louis belongs.”
— Charlie Marlo (09:42)

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3. Attendance, Atmosphere, and the “Sold Out” Question

• Herm calls out the often-overused “sold out” label when there are clearly still empty seats. "There's something fake that people are doing. They're saying sold out, and you can clearly see they're not sold out… Is this trying to psychologically win people over to make them come the next year?" (11:35)
• Schrader: “They can say whatever they want… But we’ve seen a lot better crowds than we saw a couple years ago… Things aren’t screwed up. Our sport has got issues — like every sport does — but we’re not on life support at all.” (12:36-13:42)

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4. The 2026 Cup Playoff Date for St. Louis

• Schedule update: The St. Louis race moves a week later next year (Sept. 13, 2026) and will be the second race of the playoffs (14:13-14:44).
• Growing acceptance of the playoff format, even from old-school fans: “I like the playoffs… I can’t even believe I’m saying that… But I like the playoffs.” (Kenny Schrader, 14:44)

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5. Dirt Racing Ties & NASCAR’s Community Impact

• The NASCAR weekend brings extra crowds and star power (e.g., Kyle Busch & son Brexen) to area dirt tracks (“Doe Run, Highland, Granite City…”), boosting the racing community (17:49–19:13).

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6. Race Recap: Denny Hamlin’s Win & Winning Mentality

The Hamlin Moment

• “He gives the sound bite that everybody is looking for… ‘Get on my bandwagon or get run over by it all.’ That is the phrase that has ricocheted.” (Herman Schrader, 20:21)
• Comparison to Darrell Waltrip in fan engagement—embracing the boos and using them for motivation (21:36–22:47).

Hamlin’s Longevity, Fitness, and Mental Toughness

• Five wins in 2025, 59 career wins, 700+ starts (23:42–24:07).
• Discussion of how Hamlin, at age 44 and with influences like Joe Gibbs and Michael Jordan, has built a physical and mental edge:
  “He loves the challenge of beating drivers half his age. He says that’s what motivates him.” (Charlie Marlo, 25:26)
• The consensus: mental strength is a separator. “To be fast, you have to be mentally strong.” (Jimmy Spencer, recalled by Herm, 27:10)

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7. Race Incidents, Rivalries, and Respect

Briscoe’s Rise and Race Dynamics

• Chase Briscoe finishes a strong second; early race incident with Josh Berry (“He didn't really dive bomb… He's why Josh wrecked. ... Have you ever parked one of your brothers, man?” – 28:59)
• Discussion of sibling rivalries, driver etiquette, and the sport’s rough-and-tumble nature.

Larson vs. Blaney: Old School Accountability

• Post-race scene: Blaney cuts off a media interview to talk to Larson directly after their incident, highlighting professional, immediate approaches to conflict:
  “This is two champions of our sport… They’re discussing it.” (Kenny Schrader, 31:44)
• Herm credits Schrader for always addressing situations face-to-face: “You've always got out of your car and addressed situations immediately.” (Herman Schrader, 32:02–33:14)
• The importance of handling tempers, with anecdotes about pit fights at regional tracks and the lost art of “having a beer and talking it out.” (34:29+)

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8. The “Perfect Amount of Wrecks” Debate

• “Is it bad that fans want to see at least one wreck?” (Herman Schrader, 37:48)
• Charlie: “If I go to a NASCAR race in person, I do want to see at least one wreck. I think most fans want to see at least one.” (38:38)
• Discussion of wrecks as spectacle, entertainment value vs. driver safety, and the ongoing tension between the two.

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9. Playoff Standings & Season Takeaways

St. Louis Top 10 Finishers:

(Denny Hamlin, Chase Briscoe, Chase Elliott, Ryan Blaney, Joey Logano, John Hunter Nemechek, Christopher Bell, Bubba Wallace, Chris Buescher, Ty Gibbs; 40:09)

Playoff Bubble

• Noted the surge of Toyotas (6 in top 10); Josh Berry and Alex Bowman in trouble, “must win” territory; the battle between Austin Dillon and Austin Cindric for the cutline (40:37–41:46).
• New points format/stage racing keeps possibilities open: “All they got to do is win one stage, and that's 10 points.” (Herm, 42:12)
• Herm praises Schrader for adapting to NASCAR’s modernization, not just pining for “the old days.” (42:47–43:12)

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10. Around the (Dirt) Track: National Dirt Racing Highlights

• Eldora’s World 100: Ricky Thornton Jr. wins by a straightaway after Jonathan Davenport’s tire issues; “They quit selling tickets and quit selling pit passes. That's big. They've never done that.” (Kenny Schrader, 51:12)
• Boone’s IMCA Super Nationals packed with over 1,000 cars—a “big week for dirt racing” (51:12–53:10).
• The rise of streaming and gate receipt worries: more people can watch, but does that hurt track attendance? Still, packed stands at Eldora and area tracks suggest a strong appetite for live racing (54:05–54:40).

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11. Local Racing Woes: Three-Day Modifieds Event at I-55

• Herm and Schrader both competed; too many qualifiers and too much time off work!
  • “It all turned out good, but everybody was like, this should be a two day event. Schrader holds up both his hands... I was stuffing the ballot box, baby.” (59:00–60:32)
• Realities of balancing racing and life for “working men” (61:06).
• Broader point: the right event format can draw more cars and fans.

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12. Closing: Jokes, Music & The Evolving NASCAR Event

• The episode wraps with a round of groan-worthy jokes (including favorites like, “What did the janitor say when he jumped out of the closet? Supplies!” 50:11 and "Have you heard about the new movie Constipation? It has not come out yet." 64:12).
• Chris Blair texts Herm a photo: three hours after the checkered flag, thousands remain for the post-race John Pardi concert—a new NASCAR era, part race, part festival:
  • “It's an event, not a race.” (Kenny Schrader, 65:35)
  • “People like to enjoy themselves… let the traffic clear out, enjoy a concert.” (Herman Schrader, 65:39)
• Final plug: See Schrader & Charlie on the Kenny Wallace YouTube show, and listen to the podcast on Dirty Mo Media.

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Notable Quotes & Moments (with Timestamps)

• “You just hugged the bottom… Now them guys running three, and we see them try to run four wide…” (Kenny Schrader, 03:37)
• “Bill Murray, Rusty Wallace, Kyle Larson, Chase Briscoe, Ross Chastain…woman smashing watermelons with her thighs… actual goat in a Kyle Larson jersey.” (Charlie Marlo, 05:40)
• “It just feels like a NASCAR Cup city… St. Louis belongs.” (Charlie Marlo, 09:42)
• “Get on my bandwagon or get run over by it all.” —Denny Hamlin, recounted by Herm (20:21)
• "We’re not on life support at all." (Kenny Schrader, 13:42)
• “I like the playoffs. … I just got to give in. I like it.” (Kenny Schrader, 43:01)
• “If I go to a NASCAR race in person, I do want to see at least one wreck. I think most fans want to see at least one.” (Charlie Marlo, 38:38)
• “It's an event, not a race.” (Kenny Schrader, 65:35)
• “Weather was awesome and racing showed up and showed out this whole weekend.” (Herman Schrader, 55:13)

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Conclusion: What Makes St. Louis Special

This episode is a heartfelt, fast-paced, and unapologetically real love letter to the St. Louis race weekend and its meaning for the racing community. The hosts highlight the fusion of great racing (on pavement and dirt), a top-notch entertainment atmosphere, NASCAR’s smart evolution, and the enduring importance of community and weather. Most of all, it’s about people—drivers, fans, and the local spirit that turns a NASCAR weekend into something unforgettable.

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For a full, fun recap—including the inside jokes and memorable banter—this episode delivers the ultimate play-by-play for any racing or NASCAR fan, especially those curious about St. Louis' explosive rise in the Cup Series.

Transcript

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[Herman Schrader]

Herman Schrader on the Dirty Mo Media platform from the middle of America in St. Louis, Missouri, starts right now. The following is a production of Dirty Mo Media. I'm looking at Kenny Schrader right now.

[Kenny Schrader]

He's a drinker in the show. I mean, yeah, you.

[Herman Schrader]

How in the world did we agree to do a podcast?

[Kenny Schrader]

I like spending time with you.

[Herman Schrader]

That makes me happy.

[Kenny Schrader]

Well, it's all about making you happy.

[Herman Schrader]

We're always honest.

[Kenny Schrader]

We don't know that we're not in trouble already. And sometimes truthful. What makes you think you're not a little. Your. We good.

[Herman Schrader]

Herman Schrader. There you are, Schrader.

[Kenny Schrader]

Yeah. Ready Bright and early Monday morning, we're all in St. Louis. And it was. It was autumn when we woke up this morning because it was a little, little colder.

[Herman Schrader]

You know what? I was watching Channel 2 News last night and they say, and this is typical Missouri, they say, by the end of this weekend, we're going to be back in the 90s. And I'm like, oh.

[Kenny Schrader]

Yeah, yeah, I Love it.

[Herman Schrader]

Okay. Did you watch the NASCAR race here at home in St. Louis?

[Kenny Schrader]

Yes. I watched the start of it, and I watched the end of it, and I had run down the road to my uncle. 93rd birthday party. Wow. Yeah. So I missed. I missed the middle part.

[Herman Schrader]

Yeah.

[Kenny Schrader]

But what amazed me. Okay, cut. You know, we all went there. I mean, when they first built that track in what year was it? You remember?

[Herman Schrader]

A long time ago, 20 something years ago.

[Kenny Schrader]

Okay, 30 maybe. You just hugged the bottom. Hug the bottom, hug the bottom. And now them guys running three. And we see them try to run four wide around there sometimes. That's amazing as. As how racy that place has become.

[Herman Schrader]

You know what, Kenny? I love where you're taking us. And let. Let's just start right there, okay? Charlie Marlo, you are the sportster. You've been to all these sporting events. We documented it. You, you know, you're from Ohio, but you go to Michigan Speedway. You know, you've seen it all. You know, the NASCAR media after the race, like Jeff Gluck, Bob Pockrass, everybody is saying that this worldwide technology raceway here in St. Louis has quickly become the place to be. So straighten this out. Why is St. Louis, like Kenny said, we never saw this coming. The racing is three wide. But what is going on here in St. Louis? Why is the media bragging on this track?

[Charlie Marlo]

Now, first of all, when you walk around the track, you just feel like NASCAR belongs in St. Louis. NASCAR cup belongs in St. Louis. You just. Just the people, the vibe, it. It feels like a big deal. I. I know we had trucks before in Xfinity, but it truly does feel like a NASCAR cup date and that we deserve that. And then also, we always talk about the race, but the event. You have the race, and then you also have the show, and we can talk about the race, but to me, the race and the show are different. And St. Louis is unbelievable. At the show, the music, you got Lil John out there, Bill Murray, everything in the midway, the. The pyro. You know, it's funny, when they had that pyro and. And that fire go. And I saw Chris Blair, who we all know, and if anybody knows, Chris Blair loves the pyro.

[Herman Schrader]

Yeah.

[Charlie Marlo]

And when I saw that fire go up and I kind of looked at him, I walked past him, I shook his hand. You could tell it was. It was like a proud father seeing the unbelievable smoke and fire again. The music. Bill Murray, I watched your show. Kenny Wallace live. You guys had Bill Murray, you had Rusty Wallace, Kyle Larson, Chase Briscoe, Ross Chastain, you had a woman smashing watermelons with her thighs. You had an actual goat out there in a Kyle Larson jersey. I mean, the show was incredible.

[Herman Schrader]

Yeah. Well, all I can say is, you know, we needed to go to somebody neutral. That's why Kenny Schrader and myself didn't want to say why it was so good. That lady with the thighs smashing real watermelons, not fake, not cut in half before she puts them. You know, when she got. She was trying to set a world record. When she got to the third watermelon, her thighs were so soaking wet that the watermelon kept sliding around. That was insane. And all that is Chris Blair's idea. I almost, you know, Kenny Schrader, let's go to you now.

[Kenny Schrader]

When they show other cities and they take the aerial view of the racetrack.

[Herman Schrader]

Yeah.

[Kenny Schrader]

You know, Worldwide Technology Raceway is closer to the city, you know, the big city that's in that area than any than any other facility we go to. I mean, Atlanta's. You wouldn't want to walk from downtown Atlanta to the racetrack. You wouldn't want to walk to Charlotte from downtown Charlotte, any of those places. You know, the Gateway is right there. And then there's. I think I remember this correct. There's more Fortune 500 companies based within 20 miles of Gateway than there are any other racetracks that we go to, I believe. That's right. It's just got a lot going on for it, even though it's not St. Louis.

[Herman Schrader]

Yeah, but. Yeah, but that's just technical. Technicality.

[Kenny Schrader]

Well, yeah, it's not really technical. There's. There's a. There's a big old river there.

[Herman Schrader]

But. But hold on. Let's use Chicago as an example. Okay. Chicagoland Speedway, an hour out of Chicago. When you're showing Chicagoland, you're just showing cornfields.

[Kenny Schrader]

Yeah.

[Herman Schrader]

When you're showing the racetrack at St. Louis, you're looking at the arch. You move the camera just a little bit. There's Anheuser Bush, the mighty Mississippi.

[Kenny Schrader]

And it's not way off in the distance. It's right. Right there.

[Herman Schrader]

Yeah, it's right there. It's pretty. Charlie, do. Do you think with, you know, Anheuser Busch sponsoring Ross Chastain, you. You look at John Bomberito, who we had on Kenny Conversation. He's. He's extremely successful. 20 dealerships between worldwide Technology, between Anheuser Busch, John Bomberito, and like Kenny's saying, there's a lot of what they call old money in St. Louis. It's just a Fact, do you think that's also. I mean, the money's there. Yeah.

[Charlie Marlo]

And some new money. How about First Form? First form is a big company that has. Has really sponsored a lot of this race in the infield in previous years. And I saw they had an activation as well, and not just St. Louis. I'm going to kind of go a little broader here with, With Missouri, but we all know about Bass Pro. And then how about Andy's with the Custard? There was a really good look in Andy's Custard car. They're really bright. Looked really good. So St. Louis has great sponsors. Missouri has great sponsors. And that's what I'm saying. When I was walking around and I've been there now for four years, it just, it feels like a NASCAR cup city. So, I mean, St. Louis belongs. If anybody wondered at first, oh, should they have a Cup date? Will it be here for a long time? It absolutely, in my opinion. And am I biased?

[Kenny Schrader]

Sure.

[Charlie Marlo]

But it belongs in St. Louis.

[Herman Schrader]

And another thing, Kenny, that I saw, and I don't know why, you know, I don't want to read between the lines too much. Ben Kennedy was there. Steve Phelps was there. Steve O' Donnell was there. It's almost like this is NASCAR's baby. It's like, are they going to try to buy this track? I don't think. I don't think Curtis France all would want that to happen. Why are all. I mean, and I know for a fact all the NASCAR executives don't go to all these tracks. There's something about St. Louis that brings all the NASCAR executives. Why Kenny?

[Kenny Schrader]

All right, that. That's a them question. I sure and heck can't answer it. But you know, there's, like I said, there's a lot of Fortune 500 companies there and there was probably a lot of. A lot of heavy hitters in those suites that they. They want to talk to. So it's just good. Curtis and Chris Blair, I mean, Curtis has made a commitment and when they were awarded that date or everything was decided, that couple was going to go to St. Louis. They just continue and continue to invest in the facility and make it better and better and they're showing their. Their appreciation and what kind of. For having the event and what kind of a good partner they can be.

[Charlie Marlo]

Charlie, I was gonna say one more thing, and this is all about luck, but we know St. Louis, you don't want to be in St. Louis in July and August. Right? 100 degrees with humidity. This was the picture perfect early September weekend. 78 degrees, whatever it was, with no humidity. It was absolutely a chamber of commerce weekend.

[Herman Schrader]

Yeah, no doubt. Well, there's so much to keep saying and I do want to approach this subject that, you know, leave it up to us to. To go after the taboo subjects. This is me saying this. There's something fake that people are doing. They're saying sold out, and you can clearly see they're not sold out. Now, it was a hell of a crowd, no doubt. I mean, the front straightaway was full, but the Wallace grandstands were not sold out. Both of you. I mean, is this trying to psychologically win people over to make them come the next year? People. I mean, what's your thought, Kenny?

[Kenny Schrader]

So they didn't say sold out this year, did they? I. I don't know. Did they say sold out?

[Herman Schrader]

Yeah, well, yeah, I saw it this morning on. On social media. I must have missed. Was not sold out.

[Kenny Schrader]

And they can say whatever they want, but I don't know. We haven't. We haven't seen them. We have not seen a race with. Didn't have places that more people couldn't sit. We haven't seen one of those anywhere. I don't know. I'm. I'm obviously a supporter of the whole sport, but we've seen a lot better crowds than we saw a couple years ago. And there's a reason they signed that new TV package, which everyone said when the TV package came due, the sport was going to be screwed and they weren't going to get any money because nobody watched anymore. But they signed a record. Big TV. 8 billion. So. And. And we're having phenomenal races. Things aren't screwed up. Our sport has got issues just like every sport does. Like every business does it. We've got issues. Things that they're got to stay on top of, which they do a good job of doing. But we're not on life support at all.

[Herman Schrader]

Yeah, I don't think I could have said it any better. Okay. As Larry Max, I like to use him every once. So I think we beat that like a dead horse. Okay. It looked good. The vibe was good. NASCAR is going to be there again next year. What are those dates, Charlie? For 2026. St. Louis has got it going on. They're back in the playoffs. I saw it was a September, maybe a week later. Did I see that? I'm not sure, but I think it's September 12th.

[Charlie Marlo]

Next year I've got September 13th.

[Herman Schrader]

So it is one week later. So they've already got a play. Another they're back in the playoffs. So you know what I mean? We should have known this schedule came out a couple weeks ago.

[Kenny Schrader]

But I wonder, I wonder if it's a week later. Is that the third race of the playoffs, Charlie?

[Charlie Marlo]

I see second.

[Kenny Schrader]

Okay, it's second now.

[Charlie Marlo]

Remember, next, next year they have an extra off week.

[Kenny Schrader]

Okay, well, it's just, you know, I mean, ooh, I like the playoffs. I can't, I can't even believe I saying that because when, when they came up with it, like, oh, I'm, you know, I'm old and that's junk. But I like the playoffs. And, you know, already it's like four. You guys are in trouble. You got to step it up, you know, and obviously we'll see that next week because even, even, even Anne sitting there watching race Goes, she said, oh, next week's third one, isn't it? She said, oh, yeah, she even knows next week. Stuff's happening.

[Herman Schrader]

I think it takes a while for our older generation to come around. We, we're not telling them what to do. But NASCAR doesn't make these decisions because they think that's what needs to be done. We all know that they spend a lot of money on groups before they make a decision, you know, what should we do? And there's a reason they do what they do. And, you know, they're going to move that championship race around. That's already been talked about. This is the last year just for right now at Phoenix. We know in 2026, you know, it's going to be Miami, Homestead. So we're headed in the right direction. Hey, this is dale and Hart Jr. And for the latest Herman Schrader gear, you need to go to shop.dirtymomedia.com We've got plenty of options for everybody, and we're adding new stuff all the time, so go to shop.dirtymomedia.com.

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[Charlie Marlo]

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[Herman Schrader]

Okay, I'm going to end like this. On the St. Louis vibe we had dirt racing surrounding the community. We had Cow Bush Braxton Busch racing at Way out in Doe Run down there. That's what we call our small tire track. Doe Run is always.

[Kenny Schrader]

It's an hour.

[Herman Schrader]

Yeah, well yeah, true.

[Kenny Schrader]

Way out there. Okay.

[Herman Schrader]

So yep, an hour away. Doe Run small tower track, go karts. But they were out there with the midgets or not midgets but whatever you.

[Kenny Schrader]

Call those, I think they had power the the extreme World Outlaw.

[Herman Schrader]

Oh yeah, that's right.

[Kenny Schrader]

Well, you know, run in Highland and you sack sprint cars at Granite City Tri say Speedway, Grant City, Illinois. Which I remember you saying one time, how can a track have four names? But but anyway and we had, we had a three day dirt show at at i55 three day modified race. There was all the local tracks capitalized on the NASCAR being in town. I don't know if it worked for any of them. I know Grand City had a good crowd. I don't know about Doe Run and Highland.

[Herman Schrader]

One thing you just reminded me of, Kyle Busch and his son Brexen. They sure do like that dirt racing. And you're right, they were at Doe Run and they went to Highland. Highland was basically the world of outlaw midgets they call extreme. So yes, they did run a lot of dirt racing while they were in town and that that bodes well for that dirt community. All right, to the race guys. I'll set it up for you. Kenny. Denny Hamlin, he sets quick time. He runs in the top five the whole race and he wins it. And of course he gives the sound bite that everybody is looking for. One of the one. Here we go. The TV people said, they boo Danny and. And they said, danny, do you still like the booze? And Denny says, bring them. Bring them all. And then he says, get on my bandwagon or get run over by it all.

[Kenny Schrader]

Yeah.

[Herman Schrader]

And that is the phrase that has ricocheted. And boy, he comes up with some good stuff. Can you just talk about this Denny Hamlin, I mean, it's a locomotive. He don't care. He's strong mentally.

[Kenny Schrader]

Yeah, he's got to be real strong mentally. I don't know Danny that well, but he's got to be real strong mentally. First off, you know, I know he's co owner of 2311, you know, don't know what percentage is how any of that stuff works. Not my business. Don't care. But there's a lot going on there. There's a lot of stuff to take care of and everything with the lawsuit and everything. And then he still got his, you know, his day job is to drive that 11 car for the coach as fast as he can and be, you know, he's. I know he's wanting like, all 16 of those guys are that championship this year. He's won 59 races. I think 60 puts him on the top 10 list, maybe. And he can get it. You know, there's some other guys that can get it, too, but he's definitely one of them.

[Herman Schrader]

Okay, let's have fun with Denny's situation right now at becoming Denny Hamlin. I mean, one of the greats of all time. There's no denying this. And, and I know people. I don't like Denny Hamlin, but I'm going to tell you what, it's like a Daryl Walter deal. They are quickly becoming Denny Hamlin fans because I think the fans totally realize it. Denny loves this. You know, the fans, at first, they thought they was getting him. Oh, we're going to get Denny. We're going to make him be sad. Now it's reverse psychology. He's getting them.

[Kenny Schrader]

Yeah.

[Herman Schrader]

And. And it's real.

[Kenny Schrader]

Yeah. So he's, he's playing that part just like Daryl did. And Daryl did it when nobody had really done it before. You know, he. He kind of. He invented that part. Nobody had done it in, in our sport big time. And, and our sport didn't get the media exposure, but, you know, back in the early days, so someone could be doing it. Nobody knew about it, you know, other than people there that day. But he's, he's, he's doing it good. He's doing a good job of it.

[Herman Schrader]

Okay. This is what's setting him apart from a lot of people right now. I do want to go into this in depth. Five wins for Denny Hamlin in 2025. He. When we started this year, I remember here on Herman Schrader, we said, man, he's got to win a lot of races this year to get to 60. Damn. Five wins in 2025. That brings him win 59. Win 60 is like a really big deal. So this stat here is what I want us to zone in on. There are only seven drivers when they get over 700 races. So in other words, when they get over 700 NASCAR cup starts that continue to win, there's like, you know, Jeff Gordon. But, you know, assuming when you get over 700 wins, you've. You've seen a lot. And here he is, he's over 700 starts and he's still winning. Only the seventh driver in NASCAR history to win after 700 starts. What's that say to you, Kenny, about Denny Hamlin?

[Kenny Schrader]

He's not slowing down and you can tell it, you know, I mean, he just, he's just there. He's there all time when, when, when they're screwed up, they're running, you know, when they're off, they're running 11th, 12th, 13th, you know, I mean, they're just real solid. And he's just 44 years old, I think they said yesterday, and he can, he can be around for a little bit yet, you know, and be around at the top.

[Herman Schrader]

Charlie, here's my take on this, and I don't think it's far fetched. He drives for coach Joe Gibbs, who is obviously super bowl winning coach. So we know those athletes are about the body. You know, they got to be physically fit. His other car owner over there, Michael Jordan, it's about the body, physically fit. I've been around Denny enough where he talks to me about, you know, don't drink Diet Coke. If you're going to drink a Coke, drink. I mean, Denny knows about all the foods and the liquids. Do you think Denny has got a little bit of advantage now with this modern era medicine since he's around those type of people and that's real to them.

[Charlie Marlo]

I think if you're around Michael Jordan and that level of competition and then I've heard you joke about this with him. When Denny Hamlin was on Kenny Conversation, you said what, you guys were playing blackjack or something? You said back in the day, roulette. You said, danny, you got a little bit of a belly. And you said he kind of Took it personally. And whatever he looked like back then, he. He looks good now for whatever. I mean, he's my age. I mean, he looks like he's in really good shape, and he's in great mental shape also, as you guys mentioned earlier, probably the most mentally strong driver out there. He wants to be booed. He said this in his. His post race yesterday. He loves the challenge of beating drivers half his age. He says that's what motivates him. And he said, because he was talking about the fact he probably has two years left, two seasons left, so all these races, he has about two more times to win these races or win a championship. He goes, that's what I'm going to miss the most is going out there competition and trying to beat guys half my age.

[Kenny Schrader]

He's. I don't know what he's changed physical conditioning or anything about that, and I call bull or any of that. He's. He's better now than he's ever been. I'm not saying he's better now, but he's just.

[Herman Schrader]

He's winning a lot.

[Kenny Schrader]

Yeah, he's. Because he's. He always was good, but he's where. He's. He's just mentally tough. He's mentally tough. 20 pound. 20 pounds weight it is. I've lost 20 pounds. I can. I can go faster now. No, you get tougher mentally.

[Herman Schrader]

Jimmy Spencer said something to me very seriously one time. He said, I was never as mentally strong as your brother Rusty and Dale Earnhardt. I looked at him, really caught me off guard because, you know, we think Jimmy Spencer is the most badass. But, but. But Jimmy said that, and I learned something from Jimmy that, you know, Jimmy felt to be fast, you have to be mentally strong. And he grew up in those mods. They just beat the bumpers off each other in the Northeast. That did. That did teach me a little bit where he feels like drivers. Some drivers got an advantage that just like this denim. He. You know, so let's go with that. I mean. Okay. All right, let's go on to this race. Kenny, you got anything else on that?

[Kenny Schrader]

No, but. Wow. How's. How's the 19 car working, working out for Brisco?

[Herman Schrader]

Okay, I. Okay, that's on my list right here. Kenny Schrader is talking about. Yeah, Denny Hamlin won the race, but Chase Briscoe finished second. Let's stop right there and let's. Let's go to the start of this race and we. Kenny, I love it because I got it right here. That is. That is in the notes, Chase Briscoe is. My God. Wow. Right? All right. We had the perfect amount of wrecks is what I think.

[Kenny Schrader]

You know, we had been in them, you wouldn't have thought so, but go ahead.

[Herman Schrader]

Well, what's great, Kenny, is we didn't have wrecks. We had one wreck where somebody dive bomb. Josh Barry getting into one. Josh Berry's out of the race.

[Kenny Schrader]

He didn't really dive bomb. That was Chase. Yeah, that was Chase. He didn't really kind of got in there, and he. He. He's why Josh rec. You know, he hit him. Hey, have you ever. Have you ever parked one of your brothers, man?

[Herman Schrader]

Let me think here. Oh, yeah. Austin and Ty Dillon you're talking about. You know that. And I don't have that. I missed that one for.

[Kenny Schrader]

For last. They're running like last parked him. I know he didn't park him, but he hit.

[Herman Schrader]

You know, you got me thinking. I don't think I've ever. I made sure I didn't wreck any of my brothers because I'm from the old school. I never wanted to be part of the Bodines.

[Kenny Schrader]

Well, hey, we got it. We gotta say that Chase didn't. Chase didn't park. Josh Barry and Austin didn't. Didn't park. Tie his trickle. Taught us. Said all I did was bump you. You had the choice whether direct or to save it, and you chose direct.

[Herman Schrader]

This racetrack induces that. You know, Chase Briscoe, we had him on Kenny Wallace live yesterday, and he says, kind of like Martinsville, that now this is what Chase or one of the drivers. Charlie, you were recording Kenny Wallace live. One of the drivers said their left foot gets tired at this track. Now, we had three of the top drivers because they pushed the brake so hard.

[Kenny Schrader]

What about Martinsville? What do they do there?

[Herman Schrader]

I mean, push the brake hard. They're just saying that their left leg gets tired at St. Louis because they used a break so hard. And, you know, I'm saying you get into one, that's a tough corner, you know, but. Okay, let's go to the Chase.

[Kenny Schrader]

Chase's leg got tired really early. What lap was that?

[Herman Schrader]

Early?

[Kenny Schrader]

Yeah, early.

[Herman Schrader]

Let's go to the other end of the racetrack. Okay. Kyle Larson. I knew I could see what he was doing. He thought he was going to go in and he was going to drive this push or this loose. It looked like he was pushing up the right. He thought he was going to slide in behind Ryan Blaney, missed it by a little bit and knocked the hell out of Blaney's funny mouth. Blaney is like, hey, listen, I know he didn't mean to do it, but he still did it, and I'm going to remember it.

[Kenny Schrader]

Yeah, but what was neat. Nothing neat about. But what, yes. What I liked was they're showing them after the races now. This is two champions of our sport.

[Herman Schrader]

Yeah, good point.

[Kenny Schrader]

And they're over there, Ryan sitting on the wall, and Kyle's talking to him. Nobody's grabbing nobody, nobody's may not be happy, but they're discussing it.

[Herman Schrader]

I want to talk about that for a minute, because I do take this show very seriously, whether you think so or not. And I read articles, and here's what they said happened there. And Kenny, I'm glad you brought that up. They said that Ryan Blaney was being interviewed and he saw Kyle and Ryan Blaney didn't want to talk anymore, and he stopped the interview and went after Kyle to have that conversation right then during a media interview. So Ryan Blaney thought strong enough, you know, you think, well, I can talk to him on the phone and. But no. Stopped a major media interview. That's what the article said. And I do like that, Kenny, that, I mean, man, it takes complete professionalism and, and you teach me a lot about the sport. You're the one that taught me to. Okay, let's. You've always got out of your car. I've noticed this about you, Kenny. You've always got out of your car and you've addressed situations immediately. I've watched you do it. Do you feel like that's the way to do it? Don't call them on the phone the next day?

[Kenny Schrader]

I, I, I, I, I think and depends on the situation, what happened, what race it is, you know, it just. But yeah, talking about it quick. I got run over one time by.

[Herman Schrader]

Here we go. I like this.

[Kenny Schrader]

No, I got run over by Jacob Poole. Hell of a good racer. Last friggin Turn it at Terre Haute, we're leading and had to drive in there, you know, Unbelievable. To get to wreck us. Don't think he meant to wreck us, but he wrecked us.

[Herman Schrader]

Yeah.

[Kenny Schrader]

And I went down, talked to him, and they were gone, you know, and I talked to him a couple weeks later and, you know, we talked. It's simple talking. And as he's like, man, I've, I've always just thought it's better off just to not do anything right then and, and talk to you later, you know, which we did. But, you know, it's just different. Different people handle it different. Some people still too pumped up when they get out and there is no talking.

[Herman Schrader]

You know, And I gotta tell you, I'm not going off the rails right now, but they fought in the pits at Pele and it was not pretty. And I'm not gonna go deep about it. But Kenny, that right there is a great example. If cooler heads would have prevailed. Friday night at Pele, Friday night at Peely, they had some. They had some nasty fighting and guys getting knocked out and both of them got sent home. But just imagine if they would have just had a beer. Well, maybe that would have been worse.

[Charlie Marlo]

Yeah.

[Herman Schrader]

Yeah. There's different ways to go about it.

[Kenny Schrader]

If I run over somebody, I'm walking down to their car with a beer. Here, open this and we'll talk about it. You know, it just. Yeah, it's hard enough without going through all that stuff.

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[Herman Schrader]

I figured that was a good place to tell everybody about what went on at Pely there on Friday night. But I. I didn't know about it until I was leaving the racetrack and somebody told me. And yeah, I'm like, well, what?

[Kenny Schrader]

Dead giveaway was of police cars?

[Herman Schrader]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, the guy. Yeah, well, okay, we'll just leave it there. But yeah, it was pretty. It was pretty wild. But that's. But listen, it was a real example of two guys that could have just. Hey, okay, we're not solving world peace here, you know, but. Okay, so we. I felt like, Charlie, I want to involve you on this, okay? No, we. We Established that the racetrack's got great vibe, great entertainment, but the racing, like, like Kenny said at the start of the show, I mean, they were three wide, two wide. I mean, it was the perfect amount of wrecks. It kept people on their toes, you know? You know, and we had heroes wrecking. But I believe. Is it only Josh Barry that got knocked out? I don't. I don't.

[Charlie Marlo]

Suarez.

[Herman Schrader]

Oh, what happened to him? I missed that one.

[Charlie Marlo]

I just remember I. I was there during the interview when Josh Barry was wrecked early, and then I just noticed that Suarez car was taken back a little while after that. So I don't know if he came back, to be honest with you. I can check that.

[Herman Schrader]

Did we have the perfect amount of wrecks, Charlie, from your perspective?

[Charlie Marlo]

Yeah.

[Kenny Schrader]

And what's a big perfect amount of wrecks?

[Herman Schrader]

Just a couple.

[Kenny Schrader]

You're saying you gotta have wrecks.

[Herman Schrader]

You know, that. That's, that's what I'm holding on to. I, I've, I've read these things where, you know, when I was doing tv, they would say, you know, Eric Shanks, all my bosses at Fox, they said, please remind the audience that this is a dangerous sport. People at Fox, they had this theory that everything was too safe now and that the glamour now this is them. They thought the glamour of racing is that it wasn't dangerous. You know, it was dangerous, and now it's not dangerous. So, you know, not us, but just for everybody's watching, Herman Schrader, it's still a dangerous sport. They still wreck. And sad to say, but people like a little bit of bang them up. Charlie, I mean, you're from a different perspective. Do you think the wrecks are good for racing?

[Charlie Marlo]

I do. You know, and Trader might disagree, but I think. I think you need a couple. By the way, Barry wrecked out on 35. Lap 35. Suarez was lap 64. I liken it to a hockey game. If I go to a hockey game in person, I'm not saying I want to see 10 fights, but I want to see at least one fight. I think if you go to a hockey game, you want to see some scoring, you want to see some big hits, you want to see at least one fight. If I go to a NASCAR race in person, I do want to see at least one wreck. Maybe that makes me a bad person, but I want to see at least one wreck. I think. I think most fans want to see at least one.

[Herman Schrader]

We don't like wrecking, so it's hard for me and Schrader to say that, but But I get it.

[Kenny Schrader]

I do get it. I understand it.

[Herman Schrader]

Okay, so there it is, everybody.

[Kenny Schrader]

Zillow again Saturday.

[Herman Schrader]

What's that?

[Kenny Schrader]

Again Saturday?

[Herman Schrader]

Yep. Before we do that, Charlie, something we're trying to do here. Now that we're in the playoffs, you want to give the top 10. Me and. Me and Kenny Schrader have talked. We do learn a lot from this show because it forces us to know about nascar.

[Kenny Schrader]

Yeah, but you can't. You can't do top. I mean, you got to do top 10 finishers, but you got to do top. You got to say who's in trouble?

[Herman Schrader]

Okay. Yeah, I got them both. Go ahead, Charlie.

[Charlie Marlo]

All right, let's start with the finishers at St. Louis. Denny wins. Chase Briscoe second, Chase Elliott third. Ryan Blaney able to come back and get a fourth. Joey Logano fifth, John Hunter Nemechek, one second.

[Kenny Schrader]

I didn't mean to interrupt. Yeah, the fact that Ryan Blaney came back and finished fourth had a lot to do while they were talking calmly to one another, but go ahead. I didn't mean.

[Herman Schrader]

That's good point.

[Charlie Marlo]

So John Hunter Nemechek sixth, Christopher Bell seventh. He was a little ticked off after the race. If you listen to his radio, Bubba Wallace and eighth, Chris Buescher ninth, Ty Gibbs 10th. And I'm counting right here, that is six, count them, six Toyotas in the top 10. Toyotas have dominated the first two playoff races. And then if we go to the playoff standings here, we'll start. We got Denny and Chase Briscoe obviously have one. You got third place. Kyle Larson. You got Bubba Wallace in fourth, Ryan Blaney fifth, William Byron sixth, Tyler Reddick, seven seventh, Seabelle eighth, Chase Elliott ninth, Joey Logano 10th, Ross Chastain 11th. Austin Cindric is 12th. He's plus 11 on the cut line. And then, I mean, Josh Berry's in real trouble. He's got to win. He's 45 points back. He's in 16th. Alex Bowman is 35 points back. Shane Van Gisbergen is 15 points back. So I guess the real battle is the two Austins. Austin Dillon right now is the cut line. He's 11 points back of Austin Cindrick.

[Kenny Schrader]

Yeah, and what's so much different now is, you know, you think. You think 15 points and back or something, and it's like, got to finish 15 spots ahead of them, but not with the stage points and stuff. You know, I mean, it's. I. I like all that. I just. Just think it's made it a lot more Interesting. I'm sorry to say that. Mark Martin. I'm sorry.

[Herman Schrader]

I want to say this and I want this. Damn. I want you to edit this up. I want this quote out there. One thing I like about Kenny Schrader is that he's 70 years old and he's not stuck in the past. And Kenny brings up a great point. All these guys out of the top, all they got to do is win one stage and that's 10 points. And. And Kenny Schrader recognizes that. And that's why Schrader still races to this day, and that's why he's still level headed. I like that. Kenny Schrader, you know, doesn't get stuck in the past. Unquote. Okay, edit that.

[Kenny Schrader]

Yeah.

[Herman Schrader]

Yeah. But it's true, though. He doesn't. Kenny, don't jump on the bandwagon.

[Kenny Schrader]

It takes me a while to switch.

[Herman Schrader]

It's okay, though. But you do.

[Kenny Schrader]

But once. Once I saw. Say, hey, this is. I'm sorry. There's just nothing about this that I really. That I can continue to not like. I just got to give in. I like it.

[Herman Schrader]

Yeah. After three years, you finally. You finally.

[Kenny Schrader]

No, it's. I gave in fairly quick.

[Herman Schrader]

Okay, let's. Let's. Let's go where Kenny's talking about. I'll set it up because I know a little bit about it. This. Connor Zillich is now setting Bush series Nationwide Xfinity records. You gotta. You gotta talk about all the names because everybody's like, bush series Nationwide Xfinity. Connor Zilich has won his ninth race. Now he's in. Now he's in Rare air.

[Kenny Schrader]

Kenny is at ninth this year, right?

[Herman Schrader]

Yes, yes, yes. That's crazy.

[Kenny Schrader]

Yeah.

[Herman Schrader]

I remember somebody saying they're cheating. I'm like, okay, I hear you.

[Kenny Schrader]

I got something. I got something. So I had. I looked at something today because, you know, my social media skills. But we're going back to cup race real quick.

[Herman Schrader]

Yep.

[Kenny Schrader]

Is there some controversy on Denny Hamlin's last pit stop and tire?

[Herman Schrader]

I don't know. Did he go outside the pit box or did he go.

[Kenny Schrader]

That's. Well, that's what was talked about.

[Herman Schrader]

Yeah.

[Kenny Schrader]

Well, I think everything sold on tv.

[Herman Schrader]

Yeah. I think everything's going to be scrutinized. All eyes are on the sport. And, you know, it's. You know, now that you brought that up before we move ahead, one thing when I was doing tv, one thing I learned is that all these officials are in a tractor trailer, Right. You. You got so many officials on pit road way Less windows. They. They sit there in these tractor trailers, like eight officials in these tractor trailers. You open your door, you go in there, and they're all watching TVs and they're calling a lot of these no technical violations from, you know, a tractor trailer with cameras right on each team. That's pretty wild. It's. They've been doing it for a while, but it's. It's just. You want to bring it up again?

[Kenny Schrader]

Well, okay. I like it because they can see it. It's documented. I mean, we used to have. Back in the day, which means nothing, but you'd have official. That did four cars, right? It did four cars. And he's looking at all four cars, and he's standing out there on pit road trying to save his life, not get run over. And he's supposed to be watching four cars. Now it's. Now it's simple. It's black and white. It's simpler. It's like, okay, you know, you're the baseball guy. I don't know nothing about baseball. Why in the hell. Why in the hell do we have that umpire back there? In today's technology, they got that square thing on tv and it shows where the ball went, and this guy makes a call, and the ball's outside of the square and he calls it a strike. Why? I mean, it's black and white. Why don't we do that?

[Herman Schrader]

I agree with you so much, and here's why. Because they say God gave us a brain to use and. And we're using it and we're creating situations. Charlie, do you remember there, about four years ago, the guy pitched a perfect game and the ump. I mean, the guy was clearly out at first.

[Charlie Marlo]

Armando Galarraga, Detroit Tigers that was actually a long time ago. This is where I think. I think Covid has skewed time. I think that was about 15 years ago. But yes, he had the perfect game and the bad call by Jim Joyce, the umpire, and then he was crying the next day. The umpire was. Because he realized that he had. He had ruined the perfect game.

[Herman Schrader]

And, And, And Kenny, for a pitcher that pitches a perfect game, that is a life changing moment because you go to.

[Kenny Schrader]

I watched that movie. What's the movie where the guy cut his hand real bad and come back and pitch the perfect game.

[Herman Schrader]

Charlie.

[Charlie Marlo]

So Jim Abbott having only one hand.

[Kenny Schrader]

No, no, this. It was a movie, not a real. Not. It wasn't. I don't think it was real.

[Charlie Marlo]

You're talking about Kevin Costner.

[Kenny Schrader]

Yeah, Kevin Costner. He cut his Hand on the table, saw come back. But it was a good movie. I'm not a baseball guy, but there was. I like baseball movies.

[Charlie Marlo]

For love of the game.

[Kenny Schrader]

For the love of the game. That was good.

[Herman Schrader]

Yeah. But let's end like this. I do agree with you, Kenny, because the purists are going to say, well, we got to have a ump in baseball. I'm like, why? Because there's so many things in life now that, you know, make life better. And, and, and the, the families, the people that lives have been ruined over. Bad call. I mean, the Cardinals would have 12 World Series right now if Don Dinkinger didn't blow the call up in Kansas city back in 1982. It don't bother me at all, but I still, still remember it. You know what I mean?

[Kenny Schrader]

NASCAR had the foresight to, hey, we have this technology out there where we can make 98% of these calls 100%. Right. And then show it to you.

[Herman Schrader]

Yeah.

[Kenny Schrader]

And they did it.

[Charlie Marlo]

That's it.

[Herman Schrader]

That's it. So. Well, I don't know about Denny Hamlin's tower, but they got it and he won the race.

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[Herman Schrader]

Okay, we're trying to always make these shows a little shorter, but here we are, 44 minutes. Are we ready to switch to dirt racing or not?

[Kenny Schrader]

I. I got one joke. I got it. I know, I know. It's not joke time. And it's. It's terrible, but it's so stupid. I'm telling it. I don't care if it's not time.

[Herman Schrader]

Go ahead.

[Kenny Schrader]

What the janitor said when he jumped out of the closet. Supplies. Okay. Dirt racing. There was a lot going on.

[Herman Schrader]

That was good. Okay. Finally. Finally. RTJ Ricky Thornton wins the world 100. Wins it by a straightaway. The race had a lot. You and I watched it on our phones, back and forth. Looked like JD Was going to win it again. Has a soft right front tire going down. It finally goes flat. Superman does not win it, but Ricky Thornton wins. Dale McDowell comes from 18th, our 19th, the second. And my good friend Nick Hoffman finishes third. Kenny, you take it away. About the 1100 at Eldora.

[Kenny Schrader]

They. They said. Well, they didn't say. They quit selling tickets and quit selling pit passes.

[Herman Schrader]

That's big.

[Kenny Schrader]

Yeah, they've never, never done that. It was big. They had the right weather. They had everything. Davenport was there. You know, it looked like he was catching a little bit, but then he had a flat with maybe 12, 15 to go. Come in. Come back to seventh, I think. And I mean, Eldor was great. Track looked fantastic. They were running all rounded. I mean, Tony and Levi Jones and the whole crew up there have done such a good job. That event just continues to grow and grow. You know, the Outlaws were racing this weekend. I don't know where High Limits were, but the biggest race and biggest is, you know, whatever you. I mean, it. Yeah, it wasn't most money, it wasn't the most people, but it was. We thought peevelly was long. At three days, the Boone Nationals, Super Nationals, imca with over a thousand cars from Boone, Iowa. And the last race, the IMCA Modifieds buddy Tim Ward won it second time now. So it was just a big wait, a big week for dirt racing and just need to see. I mean, what can we say it and say it doesn't make any difference. Our sport's not broke.

[Herman Schrader]

And. And I gotta say this again, I think we underestimate the power of weather. One great thing, one great thing about this weekend is the weather was just beautiful. And also when you look at Eldora, maybe those are people going, hey, I'm going to.

[Kenny Schrader]

Yeah. And another thing, too, when we look at the grandstands and say, okay, there's a. That's a hell of a good crowd. Yes, you put more people in there, but that's a hell of a good crowd. But other than experience and that, that whole thing of Being there. If you want to watch the race, just watch the race and know the hell what's going on. Whether you're at Eldora or worldwide technology, you can watch that thing at home and know what's going on a lot better than you can sit up in the grandstands and try to keep track everything and decipher what's going on. So that's making a difference. But that's also why, you know, NASCAR has that TV package that they got.

[Herman Schrader]

I've noticed here lately in dirt racing, this. This has been coming up more lately, people going, that's why we shouldn't have streaming. You know, but you bring up a good point. You know, you watch it on Dirt Vision, you watch it on Flow, and you're like, now I'm going to go to the racetrack. My. My take is. At first I was confused, but now, after this week where you see the grandstands packed, do you think, like, people are watching it maybe on Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, they're like, I'm going because I want to be there.

[Kenny Schrader]

Yeah, I don't know about that, but it's okay. Nobody does. They don't know. And that's a big subject for all the Shark track owners. It's like, hey, how much is this hurting our gate? You know, people watching at home aren't streaming a lot of the tracks. You know, depending on the program they're on, they. They don't get to share in that very much, that streaming revenue. But I just know the amount of eyes that are watching these races are getting more and more.

[Herman Schrader]

Yeah. Okay, everybody, one thing we agree on is. And respond right here, how big is weather for you? Because Kenny does bring it up. I mean, there was. There was. There was nothing bad this week as far as turnout. It seemed like we had, as the weatherman would say, there was a high pressure all across the Midwest and the weather was awesome. And racing showed up and showed out this whole weekend, whether it was Eldora, whether it was Boone, Iowa, the St. Louis area. I had it going on. So, yeah, it was really nice. Okay, Charlie, Kenny, we come to this point of the show. We are 50 minutes in and we are trying to do better. Are we ready for jokes?

[Kenny Schrader]

What is our target?

[Herman Schrader]

45 minutes. We blew by it.

[Charlie Marlo]

I think. I think right around an hour is perfect. Bucko 5, I think that's a good flow.

[Herman Schrader]

Well, I've talked about everything I wanted to talk about. I mean, I could dream up more stuff.

[Charlie Marlo]

Oh, no, I'm not saying. I'm not saying we have to go longer. I'm just saying this is a good, perfect time.

[Kenny Schrader]

Perfect. Hey. Okay. The three day modified thing at i55, which we both went to.

[Herman Schrader]

Yeah.

[Kenny Schrader]

You had trouble Friday night qualifying race.

[Herman Schrader]

Yeah.

[Kenny Schrader]

Had flat, didn't finish.

[Herman Schrader]

Yeah.

[Kenny Schrader]

Right.

[Herman Schrader]

So somebody spun out in front of me in my qualifier. I got into him.

[Kenny Schrader]

Oh, you could have missed it, man.

[Herman Schrader]

I tell you, I wish.

[Kenny Schrader]

I.

[Herman Schrader]

It's one. It's one of those deals where Kyle Stephan was in front of me. You know, the guy spins out Kyle, and I'm. I'm in him before. I know that. So that. That really messed me up. But. Go ahead.

[Kenny Schrader]

But you start. But you. You had to make it through your qualifying feature or through the heat race or whatever they.

[Herman Schrader]

They call them. Qualifiers. Yeah.

[Kenny Schrader]

Okay. You started wearing that. You started back.

[Herman Schrader]

I started fifth in the qualifier. I finished fourth, and then I started 18th in the big race.

[Kenny Schrader]

And you finished. I don't know. You were. You were right there. You were fifth or sixth or something.

[Herman Schrader]

This is funny. Let me tell you my story. Started 18th, pulled a Schrader. I'm like, okay, I know everybody's going to wreck, so let me mind my own business here, because this is 50 laps. So I put it on the high side and I rode on the high side until we burned the moisture, until we burned the grip off the high side. And I. What I did is I entered high and then right in the middle, you taught me this. I turned it and I came down the hill and I cleared like two cars. And then it made me go to the bottom, and I went to the bottom and I passed four cars in one corner. I got to third and the caution came out and I finished six because I think I inspired the guys that I passed. So Cole, foul away. And Trent Young, they got back by me. Or, you know, but we were up to right at second or third and finished six. But yeah, it was. It was a tough two day. It was just that qualifier. Damn it, Kenny. Those qual. That's three days of qualifying. It's the son of a.

[Kenny Schrader]

Is ridiculous.

[Herman Schrader]

Well, I mean, you're never done qualifying. I mean, you. You qualify Thursday night. You're qualifying Friday night. And then they got a B main on. I was like, I'm qualifying for three days.

[Kenny Schrader]

Yeah.

[Herman Schrader]

And one guy spun out in front of me. And, like, I'm starting all over again.

[Kenny Schrader]

Yeah.

[Herman Schrader]

But. Yeah. So I'm looking at the check right here. Let me see. I got Brody's money for the B mods. Okay. I finished six and I got $1,450. Finished 22nd in that qualifier that put me out. And I got $150.

[Kenny Schrader]

Well, I got my checks right here. Where?

[Herman Schrader]

Tell me.

[Kenny Schrader]

Yeah, 1100 hours.

[Herman Schrader]

That's why the B mods have got.

[Kenny Schrader]

It going with a 10,000 hour engine.

[Herman Schrader]

Yeah, it. Okay, Charlie, I got to tell you this real quick. So they have a driver's meeting and, you know, listen, it all turned out good, but everybody was like, this should be a two day event. So the owner of the racetrack stands up in front of everybody, calls us. Impromptu drivers meeting. We're all there. And the. And the owner goes, how many people think this is too long? 3 days is too long. Schrader holds up both his hands. He never did.

[Kenny Schrader]

They were counting. I wanted to get that extra vote in there. I was stuffing the ballot box, baby. But they. They said, how many people. It was worded that how many people don't want to be here tonight? How many people don't want to be here tonight? Meaning didn't want to have to qualify?

[Herman Schrader]

Yeah.

[Kenny Schrader]

12 people, maybe. I'm like, what? Everybody's been about this, and there's 12 people, you know, and first off, you just got to be in that group. It's not driver or owners or anything. You just got to be in that group. But nobody raised their hand, anybody, anywhere, if you're in the group. And then they said, okay, how many would rather this be an open practice night? And then everybody raised their hand. It's like he just asked same question twice, you know? But yes, I held up both hands in case they were counting.

[Herman Schrader]

It's a deal. Where this is Charlie. What? Me and Kenny do this, you know, work. Working men, they work for a living. And what do you think I do? Yeah. Well, you work hard for Federated and I work hard for Charlie on the Kenny Wallace YouTube show.

[Kenny Schrader]

Okay. We're working. I had to take off Thursday to go there.

[Charlie Marlo]

Yep.

[Herman Schrader]

So the point was you buying that Mike Harrison, our goat in the modifieds, he interrupted. He goes, look, it's not that it's too long. It's just that probably 30 more cars would have showed up, but they couldn't take off work on Thursday. So you cost yourself money. Nice. You trying to make money on this bull day, but you cost 30 cars from coming is what everybody thought. Because, you know, no. No dirt race. Even Fairbury, they don't qualify on Thursday, qualify on Friday, qualify on Saturday. They only lock seven cars in. It's like, what are we doing?

[Kenny Schrader]

Six. Six?

[Herman Schrader]

Yeah. I mean, that's very minimal. But I think we learned our lesson. And hopefully next year, if you want to come on Thursday, you can, but you don't need to be there. And so, yeah, that was. Yeah, we need to get that off our chest.

[Kenny Schrader]

Didn't bother me none.

[Herman Schrader]

No.

[Kenny Schrader]

Okay. Where were we going before we got sidetracked?

[Charlie Marlo]

Jokes.

[Herman Schrader]

We're done.

[Charlie Marlo]

Jokes. Here we go. All right, first off, got to tell people, as always, about the merch line. Hats, shirts, all that. It is shop dirtym media dot com. All right, here we go. We've gotten to the point too, where I. I go to these websites and I can't remember if we've already done these jokes. I don't think we have, but I'm not sure. Here we go. Two corny ones. First, I pity the calendar. Its days are numbered.

[Herman Schrader]

Sweet.

[Charlie Marlo]

Corny. Okay.

[Herman Schrader]

As the girls would say, that's cute.

[Charlie Marlo]

Yep. What do you call it when a snowman has a tantrum? What do you call it when a snowman has a tantrum?

[Herman Schrader]

Don't know.

[Charlie Marlo]

A meltdown.

[Herman Schrader]

That is funny.

[Charlie Marlo]

All right, Couple kind of risque ones here. I know Herman has one as well. A little girl asks her mom, before I was born, did you want a little boy or a little girl? The mom says, I just wanted a back rub. Pretty good.

[Kenny Schrader]

I like that.

[Herman Schrader]

That's awesome.

[Charlie Marlo]

And finally. Want to hear a dirty joke? Johnny fell in a puddle. Want to hear a clean joke? Johnny took a bath with bubbles. Want to hear a dirty joke? Bubbles is the girl next door.

[Herman Schrader]

I like it.

[Charlie Marlo]

But on Ching. There you go. Okay, that's the best I could find. That are mildly appropriate.

[Herman Schrader]

I. I heard this one on Instagram. Have you heard about the new movie Constipation? It has not come out yet. All right, everybody, let me see. Chris Blair just texted me three hours after the checkered flag. John Party. P A R D I. And this is what he's talking about. And for everybody on the. Chris is not going to mind me showing this because this is good. But I want to show you what he said. Okay. Look at this. Okay. Chris Flair texted me three hours after the check. Now this is why they do it, right? Okay, I'm going to hold the phone right here. Look. Look at the crowd after the race. Three hours after the race.

[Kenny Schrader]

Well, they have a band up there or something.

[Herman Schrader]

Yeah, but not. Not a no name John party. Who is. I've never heard him. Who is he? Charlie? Must be somebody.

[Charlie Marlo]

I have heard of him. He's 40 years old. He's got a cowboy hat on and all his pictures. So I take it he's a country artist.

[Herman Schrader]

So shout out to the Confluence Music Festival and we'll end just like that everybody.

[Kenny Schrader]

Yeah, it's an event, not a race.

[Herman Schrader]

Yeah it good. And we'll end just like that. So we are in a different era now and people like to enjoy themselves and it you stay for the concert and you don't have to wait in line with your car let let the traffic clear out. Enjoy a concert. And it was still daylight so it all got over early. Okay everybody, like I always say, if you want to see Kenny Schrader and Charlie's pretty face, we are over there on the Kenny Wallace YouTube show. If you're going down the road, you want to listen to this in podcast form. We are on Dirty Mo Media podcast until the next Herman Schrader show. We'll see you next time.

[Kenny Schrader]

Bye.

[Charlie Marlo]

See you.

[Herman Schrader]

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[Charlie Marlo]

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