Ryan Blaney Finally Earns His Loudon Lobster!

Summary

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Herm & Schrader Podcast — Episode Summary

Podcast: Herm & Schrader
Hosts: Kenny Wallace ("Herm") & Kenny Schrader (“Schrader”), with guest/producer Craig Moore
Title: Ryan Blaney Finally Earns His Loudon Lobster!
Date: September 24, 2025
Theme:
A raucous, story-stacked recap of a packed NASCAR weekend at New Hampshire Motor Speedway ("Loudon"), featuring Ryan Blaney’s long-awaited win, race breakdowns, industry controversies, dirt track dispatches, and classic racing banter.

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Major Episode Themes

• Ryan Blaney's first career victory at Loudon and the significance of "the Loudon Lobster"
• Analysis of the race’s standout moments, car performance, and crowd energy
• Discussion on the state and momentum of NASCAR’s current playoffs
• In-depth dirt racing coverage, including sprint cars and late models
• Insider stories, listener Q&A, and the triumphant return of the show's weekly joke segment

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Welcoming Craig Moore — New Producer/Sidekick (03:04–05:41)

• Craig Moore (MRN senior producer, audio engineer) joins the podcast, bringing racing production chops and deep NASCAR experience.
• Brief introductions and fun banter about race shop history and MRN's move to the NASCAR production facility.

“There he is. I call him the great Craig Moore, because... they don't keep people that long if they're not very good.” — Herm (05:24)

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Race Weekend Recaps

Schrader & Herm’s Racing Weekends (06:29–08:21)

• Both hosts recount rainouts and racing at Benton, Missouri; laughs about being “first loser” (P2), and love for lobster—Herm self-confessedly opts for the “lazy man’s lobster” in Loudon.
• Anecdotes about lobster’s “rags-to-riches” evolution:

"It was a poor man's meal years and years ago... Now, if you go up there, the locals, literally... are you crazy? That stuff’s too expensive." — Herm (08:21)

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New Hampshire Race Review

Record Crowds & Excitement (09:10–11:43)

• Huge turnout: 5,000 for the dirt race, 21,000 for Saturday’s NASCAR event.

“Chase Briscoe said... that was the biggest Saturday crowd I've seen in my NASCAR career.” — Herm (10:01)

Racing Quality Surging (09:07–13:11)

• The unexpected: cars 3-, 4-, even 5-wide on Loudon’s traditionally single-groove track.
• Track, tires, and current car package credited for “phenomenal” competition.
• “Yellow cars”—Penske’s Blaney, Logano, Berry—dominated, all running upfront.

“Like, who in the hell would have ever thought you'd see cars three and four wide at Loudoun?” — Schrader (09:10)

“This was funny, you know. In our day... All the teams started saying the yellow cars... those yellow cars are fast today.” — Herm (13:48)

Penske Performance: The Blaney–Logano–Berry Show (13:48–15:20)

• Joey Logano, as usual, draws ire from competitors; Josh Berry and Blaney part of the "yellow car" swarm.
• “Cedric finished 17th” — near full Penske sweep.

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The Loudon Lobster & Blaney's Joy (18:02–20:03)

• Blaney fulfilled a childhood dream, finally grasping the literal “Loudon lobster” trophy, a quirky New Hampshire tradition.
• The lobster is presented alive in Victory Lane but later transformed into a wall-mounted trophy.
• Past winner Kurt Busch recounted his odd experience with the lobster.

“Blaney says he's been wanting to hold that effing lobster for 30 years. He's a kid, you know... He's the only driver I know... that really wants to hold that lobster. Everybody else is afraid of it.” — Herm (18:02)

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Playoff Picture & Stage Points (20:20–25:20)

• Top 10 rundown post-Loudon (21:05):

  1. Ryan Blaney
  2. Josh Berry
  3. William Byron
  4. Joey Logano
  5. Chase Elliott
  6. Christopher Bell
  7. Kyle Larson
  8. Michael McDowell
  9. Ross Chastain
  10. Chase Briscoe

• Chase Briscoe earns fourth consecutive top 10 (21:05).

• Emphasis on stage points: how crucial they are for playoff advancement.  

“Those stage points sure do get important.” — Schrader (24:42)

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Ty Gibbs vs. Denny Hamlin: “Team Orders?” (25:20–28:38)

• Recap: Denny Hamlin, hunting a title, battles teammate Ty Gibbs and finally “Harry Gants” him (a gentle bump), expressing frustration with Gibbs’ refusal to yield.
• Anticipation about how this will play out with Joe Gibbs (both Ty’s grandfather and Hamlin’s boss) in the Monday team meeting.

“He [Denny] just barely put that bumper there and said, kid, you're pissing me off.” — Herm (25:59)

“I'd like to know how that one's going to work out because it's a little different when it's grandson of the owner.” — Schrader (27:05)

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Keselowski’s “Hail Mary” Move (29:45–31:10)

• Brad Keselowski attempts a bold move, thinking he could “make it stick” four wide off Turn 2; the gap closes and chaos follows.
• Herm reflects on his own memories of Schrader passing entire rows at Loudon daringly on the outside, “because everybody was afraid to go to the top except you.”

“I can make it, I can make it. I mean, I know what he—I've—we've all thought like that before... and then you get in there, it's like, oh, heck, I shouldn't have done this.” — Schrader (30:21)

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Truck, Modifieds & Future Talent Watch (31:58–36:14)

• Corey Heim earns ninth Truck win in a year, tying Greg Biffle’s record.
• Speculation: Heim’s Cup future, no room at 23XI—“all you gotta do is get rid of somebody” if a top prospect arrives.
• Major praise from Denny Hamlin:

“...the most mature driver for his age that he’s ever witnessed.” — Herm (34:32)

• Modified race: wild finishes, famed 3-car's history.
• Huge, energized crowds; Loudon “now feels like party central,” reflecting broader NASCAR event programming upgrades.

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Dirt Racing Dispatch (36:36–51:08)

• Steve Kinser’s Biography: Kenny Schrader wrote the foreword. Heartfelt admiration for Kinser’s pioneering role and the stories recounted (“hard to put down”).
• Wing Nation: Craig Moore spotlights MRN’s long-running, sprint-focused podcast.
• Sprint and Late Model News:
  • Rico Abreu replaces Donny Schatz in Tony Stewart’s sprint car for 2026; signals end of an 18-year owner-driver partnership.
  • Outlaw sprint race at Tulare pays $83k to win; Lucas Oil late models at Knoxville pay $75k—biggest dirt purses ever.
• State of the Sport:
  • Multiple healthy national sprint and late model series; record purses and fan turnout.
  • Discussion on how costs and payouts have increased, but the racing “is stronger than ever.”

“Sprint car is healthy though, don't you think, Craig? ... It’s the healthiest it’s ever been, in my opinion.” — Herm & Craig (50:02–50:07)

"The race is the excuse you get to use to, to get all the people to come. Yeah, but you got to have more to keep them entertained." — Schrader (37:49)

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Memorable Quotes & Banter

• “We're always honest.” — Schrader (02:42)
• “It's the same thing every year.” — Schrader (49:28)
• “No one's running real fast at the start, you could do it at Loudon in Martinsville... now they just do it all the time.” — Schrader (30:50–31:10)
• “All you gotta do is get rid of somebody. Somebody. I mean—no, I don't mean [only] 23XI, any team! ...People quit and owner make a decision, he doesn't want them back. The driver make decision, doesn't want them back...” — Schrader (34:00)

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Listener Q&A, Stories, and the "Joke" Segment (58:09–60:05)

• The show closes, as always, with gently groan-worthy, irreverent jokes sourced from listeners and the crew.
  • Example: “Why do blondes carry red pens?... In case they have to draw blood.” (58:18)
  • Herm’s favorite: “I could fart in my pocket and still not have a scent.” (59:18)

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Notable Moments & Timestamps

• Craig Moore Introduction – 03:04
• Lobster & Crowd Energy – 07:50 / 10:01
• Race Quality (“three and four wide” at Loudon) – 09:10
• Penske Sweep & “Yellow Cars” – 13:48
• Blaney Gets His Lobster – 18:02
• Stage Points Discussion – 24:42
• Gibbs vs. Hamlin Team Drama – 25:20
• Keselowski’s Four-Wide Attempt – 29:45
• Future Talent Spotlight (Heim, Zilisch) – 31:58
• Steve Kinser Book/Volusia Tales – 39:11/54:39
• Sprint/Late Model Purse Talk – 53:17
• Joke Segment – 58:09

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Tone & Takeaways

• Honest, playful, and deeply authentic—Herm and Schrader pull no punches, mixing in technical insights with storytelling and plenty of ribbing.
• Blaney’s Loudon win was a feel-good headline; the NASCAR scene, by all accounts, is thriving—crowds are back, the product is great, new talent is emerging, and tradition is alive and well.
• The episode is a love letter to racing, from top-tier stock cars to “dirt warrior” legends, told with the kind of warmth and personality that only two Kennys and their racing family could deliver.

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Transcript

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You drink on the show? I mean, yeah, you.

[Herman Schrader]

How in the world did we agree to do a podcast?

[Kenny Schrader]

I like spending time with you.

[Herman Schrader]

That makes me happy.

[Kenny Schrader]

Well, it's all about making you happy.

[Herman Schrader]

We're always honest.

[Kenny Schrader]

We don't know that we're not in trouble already. And sometimes truthful. What makes you think you're not a little different?

[Herman Schrader]

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[Kenny Schrader]

Hey, that's not Charlie. And I don't know where he's at.

[Herman Schrader]

That is not Charlie, everybody. And we want to welcome into Herman Schrader, our new producer, our new sidekick, and we all know him, the great Craig Moore, senior producer and audio engineer at MRN Radio. Hello, my friend.

[Craig Moore]

Thank you. I appreciate it. It's good to be with you guys. I'm looking forward to this.

[Kenny Schrader]

So you in Charlotte? Concord area?

[Craig Moore]

Yeah, I, I, well, I live in Salisbury, but work in Concord, North Carolina, not New Hampshire.

[Herman Schrader]

So Charlie, everyone has decided to work harder on The Kenny Wallace YouTube show. Charlie is still part of the Dirty Mo team. He produces, and he shares the Kenny conversation with Mike Davis and Tiff and everybody over there. But Craig, I'm excited to see you, man. You've been a racer. How long have you been in MRN?

[Craig Moore]

I've been at. So I'm going on 18 years now, actually. This is my second stint with MRN. I had a brief period when we were in Daytona. Actually, my very first race was the Martinsville race with. With the plane crash, which was kind of sad. Very sad. Not just kind of sad. So had some personal issues, had to leave. When they moved to Concord, I got a call back. Started out in engineering, going to the races, setting everything up, all that kind of stuff. We built a new facility in Concord, and I believe. Was it one of your old race shops, Kenny?

[Kenny Schrader]

No, that was actually. That was Michael Cranifis.

[Craig Moore]

It was Cranifis.

[Kenny Schrader]

Yeah. I stopped by there at happy hour, though, so it's like I had my office, you know, but it was Michael Cranf's shop.

[Craig Moore]

So we. We build out there and. And now we're in the new NASCAR production facility just down the street.

[Kenny Schrader]

Oh.

[Craig Moore]

Next to the R and D center.

[Herman Schrader]

I'm glad to know that. I haven't been in that area for quite a while. And my gosh, I live. Kenny, you and I. I live 27 years. One mile from the old MRN studios. I'm glad to know Emma and I. I now know where they are. Thank you for that info.

[Craig Moore]

Well, stop by anytime when you're in town. I know that that's not often, though.

[Kenny Schrader]

Yeah.

[Herman Schrader]

Okay, everyone.

[Kenny Schrader]

Glad to have you.

[Herman Schrader]

Yep.

[Craig Moore]

Thank you.

[Herman Schrader]

There he is. I call him the great Craig Moore, because when I When I use the word great, that means he's been around and he must be good because they don't keep people that long if. If they're not very good. So thank you for helping Herman Schrader out.

[Craig Moore]

I appreciate it and I'm looking forward to it. Kenny, one thing that you don't know. You may recall I was producing Dave Moody, Sirius XM show at one point, and you were the first guest. I lined up for that show when I. When I got on that show.

[Herman Schrader]

Okay, one thing, we got to get straightened out right now. Which, Kenny, are you talking to?

[Craig Moore]

I gotta go. Herm Schrader. Sorry. This is gonna be really hard for me for a little bit. Wallace Herm.

[Herman Schrader]

Yeah.

[Craig Moore]

You were the first guest I lined up for when I took over the producer slot at Sirius Speedway back in the day.

[Herman Schrader]

I got a great idea. You call me Herm and you call him Freighter.

[Craig Moore]

Yeah, that's.

[Kenny Schrader]

That's.

[Craig Moore]

That's the plan.

[Kenny Schrader]

We could. We could name the show that. That.

[Craig Moore]

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[Herman Schrader]

Okay, everybody, let's get this show rolling. We got a lot of topics today and quite possibly one of the best weeks at Loud New Hampshire in 15 years. But let's start out with K Shrey. Kenny, what did you do? Let's not mess up our rhythm right now. I mean, what did you do over the weekend?

[Kenny Schrader]

We got rained out.

[Herman Schrader]

Friday.

[Kenny Schrader]

Grant City, they called it because of. It was supposed to be thunder showers, which missed us, but, you know, five, six o'. Clock. So they made the right call. That was Friday, and we went to Down Road, Benton, Missouri, Saturday, and was the first loser, finished second. So that was it for the weekend.

[Herman Schrader]

I like Benton Smooth race track. It looked good.

[Kenny Schrader]

It was good.

[Herman Schrader]

Yeah, it was good.

[Kenny Schrader]

It was good.

[Herman Schrader]

And I'm like. I'm like Kenny Schrader. I was going to race Friday at Granite, got rained out and. Well, we'll just start right now with Loud and everybody. I flew up to New Hampshire, went through. Cross my fingers, guys. I went through Chicago o' Hare Airport on my way. I went to Manchester instead of Boston, and I made it up there and got that. I know some of the guys, some of the tough guys look down on me. I went with the Lazy Man Lobster at Macri's.

[Kenny Schrader]

That's what I was gonna ask if you went there right off the bat.

[Herman Schrader]

I did. It was awesome. Some of the guys think I'm a wimp. But, you know, it's not like we. I mean, do you eat lobster? Both of you? Craig do you eat lobster? Very much?

[Craig Moore]

I love lobster. My, My father, they had a summer home in Maine. He grew up in Manhattan and he is the master of a lobster roll. It's just the best in the world, Kenny.

[Kenny Schrader]

Yeah, I like it. Don't eat it much. Yeah, but I like it.

[Herman Schrader]

Did, you know, useless information. I just got to get this out of my head. It was a poor man's meal years and years ago. Like, it was sorted.

[Kenny Schrader]

Really.

[Herman Schrader]

Yeah. Give it to the poor people. And I'm like, here we are now. Now if you go up there, the locals, literally, it's confirmed. I confirmed. The locals look at you like, are you crazy? That stuff's too expensive. You shouldn't be eating it. I'm like, look, I'll never eat it. Just give me a bowl of it. So, yeah, we did that on Saturday. Met with one of Jason Keller's old crew members, John Kawaloski. Tough name to say, but John was. He ran fuel for Jason Keller. We've stayed friends, him and his wife and. Okay, Kenny, did you watch? Yeah.

[Kenny Schrader]

Good race.

[Herman Schrader]

What did you see?

[Kenny Schrader]

Like, I'm going liken it to Gateway because who in the hell would have ever thought you'd see cars three and four wide at Loudoun.

[Herman Schrader]

Yeah.

[Kenny Schrader]

Oh, my gosh. You know, they, they just run all over that place. And then Keselowski's little deal. I guess 5 wide is probably the limit.

[Herman Schrader]

Yeah.

[Kenny Schrader]

You know, wasn't quite room down there. There was enough room if everybody else would have been closer. But, you know, that's just phenomenal race, that place. You know, the storylines we see again about track position, which we all know, and how important that is. But we were seeing guys come from a ways back and make it up to our second place finisher, for one. You know, he was at the back several times.

[Herman Schrader]

I'm going to go with something because I was there, right? And this is three races in a row, guys, where we got vibe. You know, the Southern 500 looked good. St. Louis looked good. I mean, we've got exciting, you know, excitement and it feels like something's changed. I can't really put my finger on it, but when you're there, Kenny, I gotta tell you, they did something that was rare to me. They told me numbers and you, you, you and your, your partner, Bob Sargent, you know, you guys taught me about promoting. But they, they walked right up to me, the executives, and they said, hey, we had 5, 000 people at the dirt race, which they have a dirt track on property. They had 21000 people on Saturday. And Chase Briscoe, when we had him on trackside live, Chase Briscoe said to the crowd, he said that was the biggest Saturday crowd I've seen in my NASCAR career. So I'll start with you first, Craig. What's going on with NASCAR the last three weeks? Seems like we got a positive vibe.

[Craig Moore]

I think that people are just excited about the playoffs. The racing's been, as you just mentioned, exceptional. We've had some good finishes. The. You know, when you're going four or five wide at Loudon, that's amazing. And. And I. I just think that there's a lot of momentum in the sport right now.

[Kenny Schrader]

Let's go to what. What's the survey? The one guy always does. Kenny. Jeff, you always hit.

[Herman Schrader]

Yeah.

[Kenny Schrader]

You always got the number?

[Herman Schrader]

Yep. Yep. Let's look at him right now. We will it. Don't take me anything right here. Jeff Gluck. Here he is. So it's Monday morning, everybody. Okay. There it is. Was New Hampshire a good race? And for everybody, on the Kenny Wallace YouTube show, you can see it. 77 say yes. So there we are again, trending big. That's three weeks in a row, Kenny.

[Kenny Schrader]

Yeah. And isn't the. I mean, they. The car. Just the cars and the guys just put on a good show. It was very entertaining.

[Herman Schrader]

All right, so.

[Kenny Schrader]

And Team Penske is going to be tough.

[Herman Schrader]

Yeah. This is funny. Mobile 1 301. And I looked it up. It was 300 when Bruton Smith bought the track, and he said they wanted to add. They wanted to go the extra mile. So, I mean, I don't know if there's any more to it, but it was the mobile one, 301. I just thought that was funny. I thought I'd add.

[Kenny Schrader]

I started. I think it started out. I'm sure we used to run 312 laps up there. I thought we ran 312 to be 500km. Wasn't it.

[Herman Schrader]

Is that when that was a big deal, like metric and stuff?

[Kenny Schrader]

I don't. I don't know. I. I thought it was 312 laps, but I've hit my head a lot, too, so maybe it wasn't.

[Herman Schrader]

So they get this race rolling and. Kenny, you're right. You and I raced there for years. I mean, I would run 10 laps to set somebody up. You know, our whole careers here. What was going on? Why were they racing so good? I guess the tire. What's your thought?

[Kenny Schrader]

It's got to be tires, track and car. It's all it can be that combination. That car, the track, the tires a Goodyear brought allowed them to. To run all over the racing surface.

[Herman Schrader]

This was funny, you know. You know, in our day, Kenny, it's like the 12 car, the 6 car. All the teams started saying the yellow cars. It was. It was Blaney and Logano. They said, those yellow cars are fast today. All the teams up and down pit road, and those were the players until Josh Berry showed up. But Joey Logano, that's a yellow car. Yeah, Joey Logano. Here he is again, Kenny, and he's pissed everybody off. Here he is again.

[Kenny Schrader]

Yeah, and remember, Josh Berry is a yellow car.

[Herman Schrader]

He's. He was reading. Well, Josh came at the end of the race.

[Kenny Schrader]

It's a Penske car.

[Herman Schrader]

Yes.

[Kenny Schrader]

Yes.

[Herman Schrader]

Good.

[Kenny Schrader]

That's a Penske Affiliation Wood Brothers car.

[Herman Schrader]

Is this where you corrected me?

[Kenny Schrader]

Right? Well, just. I'm. They told me just talk when you say something wrong.

[Herman Schrader]

Hey, you're right. It was an all Penske weekend, so to speak, right?

[Kenny Schrader]

Yeah, it was pretty stout.

[Herman Schrader]

Which Penske car didn't run good? Don't they have four? Logano.

[Kenny Schrader]

Blaney, Cedric.

[Herman Schrader]

Cedric. Where did he finish?

[Kenny Schrader]

He wasn't. He was. He wasn't. All right, Craig, this is where we need help. Yeah, yeah, he was. They were interviewing him afterwards. He couldn't have been too bad.

[Herman Schrader]

Where was Cedric at, Craig?

[Craig Moore]

So I'm looking right now. Cedric finished 17th.

[Kenny Schrader]

Well, he was. He was off that day, obviously, but still, if you put three of the four right there. Yeah, that's pretty stout.

[Herman Schrader]

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[Kenny Schrader]

I've seen. I've seen guys when they're holding it, it's like they don't look thrilled to be holding it. And then I. I saw something yesterday somewhere about they. They wind up making that lobster into a real trophy.

[Herman Schrader]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. During trackside live yesterday, you know, we had Kurt Busch, who was the grand marshal, and Ricky Craven is back home. He's moving back there. He bought a racetrack. They laid out the red carpet for Ricky.

[Kenny Schrader]

Oh, they should.

[Herman Schrader]

Yeah.

[Kenny Schrader]

I mean, Ricky's very important to Northeast.

[Herman Schrader]

But mobile racing, they presented Kurt Busch. You know, he was the first driver, I think, in 04 to win that trophy. Well, he. He was weirded out when they first gave it to him way back, and he Tried giving it to, like, a humane society or something. He kind of. He kind of jumbled the trophy up. So they. They said, okay, you got your head screwed on straight. Curse here. Here's a real trophy now. So they represented the trophy to him, but they don't.

[Kenny Schrader]

They don't give it. I mean, it's live when you're holding Victory Lane, but when they give the trophy, it's not live. If this thing was mounted on wood yesterday I saw it. It hangs on the wall. It was mounted on a wood plaque.

[Herman Schrader]

Hey, as we say, everybody respond right here. Craig, do you know more about that?

[Craig Moore]

That's the first. I did not see Victory Lane, so that's the first.

[Kenny Schrader]

What's real when they hold it in victory Lane? It's real, right? Yeah, but then they freeze it. I don't know what all they did, but it's. It's. It's not alive when it's hanging on the wall. Yeah, I'm pretty sure.

[Herman Schrader]

Okay, so it is a good race. And, Craig, this is where you come in. Before we go on to the controversy, Ty Gibbs and Denny Hamlin, can you give us. Kenny and I love this. This. Can you give us the top 10 rundown and where we are in the 12 playoff, the points? So let's go with the rundown.

[Craig Moore]

So, top 10 rundown yet. Ryan Blaney winning the race, followed by Josh Berry coming on there at the end. Didn't quite get there. William Byron, third, fourth. Joey Logano, followed by Chase Elliott, Christopher Bell, Kyle Larson, Michael McDowell, Ross Chastain. And rounding out the top 10, Chase Briscoe.

[Herman Schrader]

There he is again. Kenny. That's four top tens in a row for Chase Briscoe.

[Kenny Schrader]

Yeah, he's. I mean, they're one of the boys.

[Herman Schrader]

Chase Briscoe said yesterday on Trackside Live. He said, hey, I've never drove for this team. It was kind of new. He said, in a joking way, I guess. It took us 20 races to get going. And, man, as he got going.

[Kenny Schrader]

Well, and I think. I don't know all the statistics, but the first half of the year was terrible for Blaney. And they keep saying the first half and then the second half has really been good.

[Herman Schrader]

I think there's something about these flat tracks. I'm not sure everybody respond right here. But Blaney. Blaney wins at Loudon, and we know how good those Penske cars out there at, you know, Arizona at Phoenix. But. Okay, where's our points at now? We got two more to go until we kick out another Four. Where are we at now?

[Kenny Schrader]

Sounds mean. That's pretty.

[Craig Moore]

It does sound mean. Sounds very nice.

[Kenny Schrader]

But it's, it's pretty cool because that's what I mean. We're not kicking them out. They just can't. They're not in a big game no more.

[Herman Schrader]

Did you say that's what Ann says to you? Anne says, are we watching this week? They're gonna kick out some drivers.

[Kenny Schrader]

No, she did tell me that yesterday. She says 21 car is going to get there. I said, no, it's not. It's not going to get there.

[Herman Schrader]

Kenny, did he. I was on the plane. But did he try getting there and get real loose? Did I hear that?

[Kenny Schrader]

He tried. He tried getting there and it got tight on him and stuff. It just, it just. And getting there. He got within the car length maybe. And getting there. You know how much the difference it is between getting there and passing. Yeah, but then they were talking about team orders. Well, there's. I guarantee you there's no team. Team orders for sure. Don't friggin wreck each other. Which we'll get to in a minute. Yeah, another team. Yeah, but there was no team orders. They both wanted to win that race.

[Herman Schrader]

Okay, Craig, finally top 12 in points. Here we go.

[Craig Moore]

All right, we got Ryan Blaney obviously leading the points, followed by William Byron, Kyle Larson third, fourth, Christopher Bell, Denny Hamlin fifth, Joey Logano sixth, Chase Elliott seventh. Chase Briscoe is the. Is number eighth. So he's right at the cutoff line. He's. He's 12 points to the good right now. Underneath the Cutoff line at -12 is Ross Chastain, Austin Cindrick, Tyler Redick. And coming in and 12th currently in points is Bubba Wallace. He is negative 27 points from the cutoff line.

[Herman Schrader]

Kenny. Jeff Burton. Jeff Burton made a big to do on. I'm with Jeff Burton and I'm with you, Kenny. I mean, I'm excited just listening to Craig. I mean, we're gonna already be down to eight. I mean it's. And listen, they're all getting three races at a time to, to prove their worth.

[Kenny Schrader]

Yeah, I mean that's, you know, compared like football or something. You, you know, we're in the playoffs, so. Yeah, race offs, whatever you want to call it.

[Herman Schrader]

Playoffs.

[Kenny Schrader]

It's a catchy name.

[Craig Moore]

Joey Logano had a good day. He gained 26 points and moved up four spots. William Byron, he gained 23, but he said steady right there in second position. While Bubba Wallace, on the other hand, he lost 28 points and dropped four positions.

[Kenny Schrader]

Those stage points sure do get important.

[Herman Schrader]

And see, that's what I think a lot of people are missing. I think NASCAR would want to advertise at stage points. Look, these drivers are driving hard. The winner of this stage just got 10 points. I think we need to remind everybody what you just said, Kenny. Them stage points are big.

[Kenny Schrader]

Yeah. And it's just, it's bonus points for running fast. And that's where you know you're in top 10 at first stage. Top 10, second stage, there's bonus points. I. I love it. I think it's good. Makes them. Makes it important now.

[Herman Schrader]

Okay.

[Kenny Schrader]

How you run all day.

[Herman Schrader]

We broke that race down the way we break it down because we got a lot of things to talk about.

[Kenny Schrader]

Get. Get to the wreck.

[Herman Schrader]

Yeah. Okay. So. So Ty Gibbs is running along. Denny Hamlin catches him. Denny's fighting for the championship. He's underneath tie like a lot. Like he's up to his door. And they get to the corner and Ty won't give it to him. And Denny finally says, I've had enough. And he just. Harry Gantz him just like he, he hits him, but he don't know he's being hit. What?

[Kenny Schrader]

Okay. Here again, very smoothly. Yes, very smoothly. Yeah.

[Herman Schrader]

Harry would move you and you wouldn't know you're moved. And Danny just barely put that bumper there and said, kid, you're pissing me off.

[Kenny Schrader]

If it wouldn't have been for the TV camera. Denied it, but he couldn't deny it.

[Herman Schrader]

Well, you gonna go first or am I gonna go first?

[Kenny Schrader]

All right. There's not much to say about it. I just, you know, the, the neat part will be what's in how it comes across in the meeting, you know, at the team. Team meeting. What's. What's said there? I don't know. I. I can see for sure why Denny was aggravated. Yes, for sure. You know, we were multi car team at Hendrick was only involved in a couple of those deals and we, we worked it out in the Monday no problem. And it wasn't a problem afterwards. It just. I'd like to know how that one's going to work out because it's a little different when it's grandson of the owner.

[Herman Schrader]

So, you know, they do the interviews, everybody goes rushing there after the race. And Denny gave a little bit of something but. But didn't want to talk about it. And same thing with Ty Gibbs. He didn't want to talk about it. But coach Joe Gibbs, I'll give you his quote. We'll leave it up to the drivers to handle their issues. That's what coach said. They're gonna have to look each other.

[Kenny Schrader]

That's what he said to the media.

[Herman Schrader]

Yeah, good point.

[Kenny Schrader]

That's what coach said to the media. So who knows, you know?

[Herman Schrader]

Well, I'm with you, Kenny. I, I'm. And, and I just, I mean it. I mean, if we're a four car team and you're not in the championship race and I've been up to your door a handful of times, let me go. Because we know, Loudon, we know how hard it is to pass. And so I understand it. You know, we're all racing for the win. But they weren't. I mean, let me go. You know, Harry, speaking of arrogant, he would chew my ass out. He goes, boy, we're not racing each other. We're racing that leader up there.

[Kenny Schrader]

Yeah, not till the very end are we racing each other. We're racing a leader. And while you're jacking with me, we're losing time to the leader. We're getting farther behind him. So you let me go, I'll let you go. At that point of the race. We'll race at the end.

[Herman Schrader]

As I would say, I think we just deb that. And that is definitely controversy at hand.

[Kenny Schrader]

Coach will debull it. Yeah, a coach will do that.

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[Herman Schrader]

All right, everybody, that was the cup race.

[Kenny Schrader]

Oh, I want to talk about Keselowski's. I could see it. It's like, it's like, oh, man, I get all of them. I'll just shoot up here on the inside. Oh, where is he going right there? Well, it, he only needed three or four inches, you know, turn two. He said, there's, there's, there's Room. There's room. There's room. I can make it. I can make it. I mean, I know what he. I've. We've all thought like that before. It's like, I make it, and then you get in there, it's like, oh, heck, I shouldn't have done this. I shouldn't have done this.

[Herman Schrader]

It closed up like a hallway, that wall. And let me say this, everybody. Kenny frowns on me doing this, but I started, like, first two rows of Loudon, and Schrader starts, like, and little 16th. And I looked in my mirror on lap two, and Kenny Schrader come around the outside. Kenny, you blew by eight rows because everybody was afraid to go to the top except you.

[Kenny Schrader]

Well, it's just. You just. You go down first turn. If it's okay, it's okay. If you. If it's not, you lose four or five spots and get back in line. But, you know, no one's running real fast at the start. You could do it at Loudon in Martinsville. Sometimes you could just Hail Mary that top. But now they just do it all the time.

[Herman Schrader]

I will never forget you doing that to me everywhere. I'm like, schrader's in the back. I look up in the mirror, Craig, like, lap two, early 1800s, as Schrader would say. And I looked up and I said, that is not the skull car. It is. But to the contrary, if you run the bottom, you know, coming off a turn two, that wall is tall on the inside, way to the left of, you know, the apron, and. And that's where kids. That's where Keselowski was going. He was going to make it four, widen, like you said. Pass them all.

[Kenny Schrader]

Yeah, it was just. Good race. Good race. And I. I worked in the shop. I didn't get a lot of work done because I was watching TV more than I was working, but enjoyed it. Goes by quick when.

[Herman Schrader]

When they're good. They do. Yeah. And they were. They've been. They've been really good. Okay, we're moving forward, everybody. Corey Heim is projected to be the next big thing, and he is in contract with 23 11. Where will they put him? I don't know, but here's the story. He wins the truck race on Saturday for his ninth win, tying Greg Biffle for the most wins in Truck series history at 9. Kenny, this.

[Kenny Schrader]

In a year.

[Herman Schrader]

In a year.

[Kenny Schrader]

Yeah.

[Herman Schrader]

This Corey Heim is like. I mean, he's like Connor Zillich.

[Kenny Schrader]

Yeah. Well, that means, I mean, obviously he's doing a phenomenal job just like the team is.

[Herman Schrader]

Good point, good point. I'd like to involve you in this, Craig. We got two drivers this year that in my mind immediately need to be in cup next year. You're ingrained in MRN radio there. What are you hearing? Are Connor Zillich, which we know he's going to take over Daniel Suarez. What's the deal with Corey Heim? I mean, he should be cup like now.

[Craig Moore]

Yeah, everybody is well aware of the talent that he possesses. And you know, I can't speak to the powers that be, but I just know the talk back in the areas that I'm in is that, you know, yeah, everybody agrees he needs to just shoot up in the Cup. Bypass, Xfinity. I don't know. I'm not a racer. I don't, I don't know how smart that is. But you know that, that's just the, the, the people that are sitting around talking about the racing, talking about the races. Everybody believes Corey Heim is on the same trajectory that Connor Zillich is in.

[Herman Schrader]

Kenny, where, where do they put him? He's 23 years old. Okay, he's super young. But we know how NASCAR is. What do we do? There's no rides open at 23:11 that I know of.

[Kenny Schrader]

Well, I got to do is get rid of somebody. Somebody. I mean. No, I don't mean 23 11. If you know any team, there's no telling what's going to happen. You know, people get rid of each other quick all the time. I mean, people quit and owner make a decision, he doesn't want them back. The driver make decision, doesn't want back. And even though they're, they have an agreement, they'll come to some kind of terms and all of a sudden there's a ride open.

[Herman Schrader]

Denny Hamlin said Corey Heim is the most mature driver for his age that he's ever witnessed. That's pretty strong and I think that's why he's there. Did he run dirt? Corey? I'm, I noticed Corey Day, but this is Corey Heim.

[Kenny Schrader]

Yeah, don't. Do not know.

[Herman Schrader]

Yeah. Okay. On the same day on Saturday. How do we say his name? Ripkama, the modified winner, number three, please. Excuse me, everybody. This race was all another, another ground pounder, mind boggling finish. Did you see it, Kenny?

[Kenny Schrader]

No, no. But the modified races up there are just always phenomenal. You know, they drag those cars, draft so much down there that they get the old slingshot or whatever you'd call it, but they able to use the air to get that get it, run at them. You know, things make a big hole in the air with the tires sticking out and stuff. They're not very slick. But as always, the modified races are phenomenal up there.

[Herman Schrader]

21,000 people in the grandstand, they were on their feet. They go into turn three, coming to the checkered flag. The three's like gonna win it. But for some reason he just wants to guard and he turns right and he gets hooked. They tow it to victory lane. Rightfully.

[Kenny Schrader]

Yeah, that 3 car has been, it's famous. Been up there racing forever. I mean, not at Loudon. I mean, it's been loud and forever too, since open, but the three cars been a staple and in modified racing up there forever.

[Herman Schrader]

Hell of a weekend at Loudon, everybody. And you got anything else to add before we move on? We got other topics, but I remember.

[Kenny Schrader]

Going up there when they were building it and I didn't even know they would started building it. And the Bear family had a couple of us come up and it's like, holy hell out in the middle of nowhere. They're building this track and they just, they build a neat facility. I've not got to see the dirt track. I need to get up there and see that yet.

[Herman Schrader]

So, Kenny, we'll end like this on the NASCAR weekend. When you come to Loudon now and you come down that little two lane road on the right hand side, the property is shocking because from our days, the property starts like two miles early. So like two miles if you pull into the dirt track, which is a real dirt track, I mean, you know, it's not like makeshift. And then you can, you're on the property, then you go into the woods and you go around, you can get around to the cup track. But I mean, it is like I did, I didn't see Marcus Smith doing this. To me, NASCAR is there to stay. It's not going anywhere. Massive money spent. They had concerts, they got a place called the Groove where everybody can go and party at night. They got musical acts. This nascar, you know what Chris Blair and them doing are here at St. Louis. It seems like it's ricocheting through all the tracks. It's like the NASCAR weekends now. And that was the vibe at loudness, like party central.

[Kenny Schrader]

Yeah, well, we've seen that. A lot of the tracks, I think they're just. They realize they got to do more, more things. It's not just a race. I mean, the race is the excuse you get to use to, to get all the people to come. Yeah, but you got to have more to keep them entertained.

[Herman Schrader]

Kind of like this Snake Pit for the Indy 500.

[Kenny Schrader]

That was a little different deal back in the day. It's not there anymore. That. Not like the old one. But they got the big party in turn three now. Oh, big time. Yeah, they got a big deal up there. Big.

[Herman Schrader]

Is it snake point 2.0 or.

[Kenny Schrader]

I don't, I don't know what it is, but they got. It's. It's very well organized by the speedway. Snake Pit wasn't so much organized.

[Herman Schrader]

Okay, we are going to move on to dirt racing, everybody, because we got a lot of dirt racing to talk about. We just spent 30 minutes on NASCAR and that was a lot. Kenny, I know I always, I always do this disclaimer. I know you don't like to be bragged on, but Craig Moore is a dirt racer and he sent me a nice note. He said, kenny Schraders wrote the forward to Steve Kinser's new book. Tell me all about this. What an honor for you.

[Kenny Schrader]

Yeah, I was pretty honored they asked, asked me to do that. Dave Augabrite wrote the book, which I started it yesterday.

[Herman Schrader]

Oh.

[Kenny Schrader]

Pretty. I mean I, I've just got through like the 80 season. The Outlaw started in 78. And listen, reading about Steve and them guys, Ted Johnson comes by and says, hey, give me $40. So you remember a member of what. So he gives him $40. Next thing you know he's, you know, the Outlaw champion for the year which started. You're just going to keep track of points for all the races that paid $2,000 to win or more, which they were just starting to get a lot of those races. But they're talking about, they didn't know nothing. And all of a sudden, you know, they got pickups and open trailers and they're going to California to race and they're going this Washington state to race and stuff. He said, we didn't have a clue how to go up and down the road. But it's really. I've always been a Kinser fan and it's. I found it really hard to put down already. But I've also find Dave Algebraic's books all good. So I told. I called Hewitt years ago after his book Hewitt's Law and I said, man, your book's good. I said, I so much enjoyed yours and Wolfies and stuff. He said, sounds like you're just a Dave Augerbright fan. Dave does a phenomenal job but you know, he's had some fantastic people to do books about too.

[Herman Schrader]

Yeah, that, that Is really awesome. Well, congratulations. And I want to stay right here just for a minute. Craig, you. You do a dirt show with mrn. Remind us. It's a long running show. Remind us about that.

[Craig Moore]

Yeah, it's called Wing Nation. It's focused strictly on wing sprint cars, hosted by Steve Post, Aaron Evernham and Ashley Scy. And we've been doing the show for roughly, I want to say 15 going on 16 years now. Started out as just an audio podcast. We were on MAV TV for quite a while. Now we're just kind of a video audio podcast show and we, we try to dive deep into the personalities of the sport. For a while we were, you know, okay, let's get all the winners on from the past weekend. But now it's like, okay, everybody's doing that. When we first started the show, nobody was doing that. So. So now, okay, everybody's talking to the winners. Let's really get to know the people involved with sprint car racing. And, and we've done a really good job of that. I believe it's. It's kind of a. For all of us who are involved with the show, it's more of a passion deal than it is anything else. Just because we love sprint cars so much.

[Herman Schrader]

And, and with that, I just want to carry this on just another minute. Kenny Schrader. Sheldon Schrader. I just love this quick story. Why did you name your son Sheldon?

[Kenny Schrader]

Because I was a big Sheldon kinzer fan. And 1982, last race year in Nazareth, Pennsylvania. Arc, we're starting on a pole and the car blew up. I needed a car. We were racing for a championship. So Sheldon Kinzer gave me his and we started in the back and was able to run fourth maybe, but win championship. Just always was a Sheldon Kinzer fan. Big news in sprint car world this week with Rico getting hired to drive Tony Stewart's sprint car next year.

[Herman Schrader]

You know what, I like this because people are like, oh, Donnie shots and Tony Stewart after 18 years. I mean, my gosh, that. That was long enough. It's in a comedy role, Kenny. It's like, okay, it's time for you guys to split up. You've been 18 years together. It just happens, don't it, Kenny?

[Kenny Schrader]

I think Steve and Carl were like 17 years, something like that. Stephen, when he drove for Carl. But yeah, you know, it's, it's. The surprise wouldn't be that they broke up. The surprise that a sprint car owner and driver made it 18 years together, you know, But Rico, you know, would be great now unfortunately, the Sprint car world loses a traveling team because Rico's. I mean they didn't say anything. Tony's car instead of being 15, will be 24. That Rico will be driving or be renumbered. But you know, I'm assuming that Rico's car won't be out there with somebody else in it because Rico will be concentrating on the Tony Stewart car. So, you know, we. This. The world loses a traveling team. A stout traveling team. Rico was on it this weekend at Eldora. High limits were there and he run. Got passed on a last lap restart by Aaron Reel.

[Herman Schrader]

Yeah.

[Kenny Schrader]

Yeah. And. But. But Saturday, it's like, no, that stuff's not going to happen again. He was. He was up on it. So. Good racing. The outlaws were out. California Tulare. Oh. So yeah. $83,000. First place, I believe. And.

[Herman Schrader]

By an inch.

[Kenny Schrader]

Who won it? Yeah.

[Herman Schrader]

David Gravel outruns.

[Kenny Schrader]

They got rained out one night and 83, 000 hour sprint car race. Late models.

[Herman Schrader]

Yeah.

[Kenny Schrader]

Or at Knoxville. And they were turning over like sprint cars. Thursday night was. Track was real heavy. It had some rain and stuff. Track was heavy. I mean, Hudson, o', Neill. It was a sprint car flip down turn one. I think they got three or four of them upside down that night. It's pretty big. But Hudson come back and won Saturday night for 75, 000.

[Herman Schrader]

I like the way you set all this up. I called. I called Nick Hoffman. I said, nick, what did I miss? Why was. You know, Knoxville, Iowa for the Lucas oil late model race. Why was it so wet? He said, oh, they had rain on around 1 o' clock. And it. Kenny. It was like the old days. They were sticking like glue. That is some good soil up there. It held the water.

[Kenny Schrader]

Yeah. Knoxville's. It's just big old racetrack, you know, 75 laps there is a long time for those cars.

[Herman Schrader]

Is it too long? They were really getting rid of cars at the end of that race. I was trying to stay awake. I did. Hey, that was okay. Knoxville. I mean, it's unbelievable. It's legendary, right? It's Knoxville. Number one is what the sprint car guys say. Eldora is number two. That's what the sprint car guys say. Now when I'm watching this stock car race, super late models, I'm like, this is the goofiest race I've ever witnessed on Saturday night. Hudson wins by eight seconds. He's running this lower line that we both watch. It's like, why can't nobody else do this? It was like he was an animated cartoon character. He lapped all the way up to like, like top 10. Did you see.

[Kenny Schrader]

But didn't Craig. Didn't he. It was like halfway or something before he got got up there, wasn't it?

[Craig Moore]

Something like that, yeah. I don't recall.

[Kenny Schrader]

He wasn't there at the start of the race.

[Herman Schrader]

He found that lower line. Hudson o' Neill found that lower line. It was like comedy.

[Kenny Schrader]

Well, that's Knoxville, though.

[Herman Schrader]

Oh, yeah.

[Kenny Schrader]

Right now Knoxville has a bottom and a top and you don't. The middle is kind of no man's land. There's sometimes you can make parts of it work and stuff, but predominantly there's a top and a bottom.

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[Herman Schrader]

So I want to go back to you bringing up, and I liked it that you brought it up and I think they might announce this. Does Tony Stewart, Enrico, do they stay high limit or. Or do they go to the World of Outlaws? Craig, sounds like you, you know something.

[Craig Moore]

From what I understand, they're going high limit racing next year. They won't. Will not be. So the World of Outlaws will lose that car and they'll be going high limit racing.

[Kenny Schrader]

That's what they announced. But now, Rico was already high limit, correct? Yes, but the Outlaws lose a car.

[Craig Moore]

A big, I mean just a massive car to lose that, that they've won so many championships, so many Knoxville nationals.

[Kenny Schrader]

It's, you know, yeah, nothing stays, nothing stays same. It's just all. It just all changes and it's a big change.

[Herman Schrader]

Boy, you have taught me that through the years. I remember, you know, complaining about something to Kenny Schrader, everybody, 20 years ago, 25 years ago, and he's like, herman, it's the same thing every year. I don't know what I was talking about maybe saving weight, you know, magnesium rear ends, aluminum wheels and spending money. And you're like, it's the same thing, Herman. It's every year.

[Kenny Schrader]

Yeah, it's something newer. Better teams come and go. It's no big deal.

[Herman Schrader]

Sprint car is healthy, though, don't you think, Craig? I mean, it seems like there's plenty cars to go around.

[Craig Moore]

It's, it's the healthiest it's ever been, in my opinion. Not that I'm a, you know, I didn't really get into sprint cars until we started doing this show, Wayne Nation, but in the time we've been doing it, the growth that we've seen, you know, who would have thought that you would have 2, 4, 10 national touring series that can live together and prosper together. Now, there may be some animosity at times, you know, going on between drivers or whatever it may be, but, but then you've got the local racers, you've got Pennsylvania. That's healthy. The, the, you know, the Midwest is healthy. The all star circuit of champions is back via the high limit. That's part of high limit now. So it's, it's, it's extremely healthy. And then you get the king of the outlaws or, I'm sorry, the king of the west out in California, and You've got the ASCS360 series. You, it's the, and the purses just keep going up and up and up.

[Kenny Schrader]

Yeah, we're seeing the same thing in late miles. Two, two national series, Lucas Oil and the world late miles. A lot of regional series, a little mars series around here in the Midwest has, has really grown quite a bit, gotten better. And then you see some weekly shows that are just, just, you know, hanging on. People will come out and they will spend their money when they know they're going to see a good race. And when any of those series that we've talked about come to town, you know, you're going to see a show that is well worth you paying 40 or $50 for a ticket to because you're going to be entertained.

[Herman Schrader]

Yeah, I, I just want to say this. I'm thinking about the good old days. You know, you'd go to Eldora and oh, there's 200 late models. Well, we don't need 200 late models. 60 is just fine. The sport is very healthy. And they're paying a million dollars to win every once in a while. And the, you know, the new 10,000 win is now 12, and now most of the times 20. It's like, where are they Getting the money in. Yeah. We don't need 200 people showing up at Eldor, everybody. We don't need 200 cars. 60 is fine. So I don't want to hear it. It's all back in the good old days. Or 200 cars. Well, that's too many. They all went home. So we're good now. Yeah, good point. Okay. I think we covered all the dirt racing. It was. It was great dirt racing and a lot of money up for grabs. 75, like Kenny just said. What you say?

[Kenny Schrader]

Tular was 80 to win 83, wasn't it? It was.

[Herman Schrader]

Yeah. That meat is the 83 meat packer car.

[Kenny Schrader]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then Mr. Roth. Dennis Roth.

[Herman Schrader]

And then. And then 70 to win the Lucas Oil Light model 75.

[Kenny Schrader]

Yep.

[Herman Schrader]

And then the.

[Kenny Schrader]

The. The. The real question you gotta ask is not where are they getting the money to pay to 75 and the 83? It's where are these guys getting the money to run up and down the road and spend 800 to a million running their dirt car all year? That's the question.

[Herman Schrader]

Jennifer and Richard Marshall are wonderful people. They give me a nice little sponsor, priority aviation. And they tell me when they go to the Knoxville nationals in Knoxville, Iowa, their motor. Their. Their motor is like, in real, like, pushing $90,000 now because everybody gears up for the Knoxville nationals. That is just insane.

[Kenny Schrader]

Yeah, well, you use it some more, but.

[Herman Schrader]

Yeah, well, you need it there. That's for sure.

[Kenny Schrader]

Yeah.

[Herman Schrader]

Yeah. All right, everybody. Here we are. We try. We've been at. We've been talking about. Hey. Yep.

[Kenny Schrader]

Let me. Let me throw something in there. Steve's book.

[Herman Schrader]

Yeah. Said.

[Kenny Schrader]

End of the first year, they grossed with the outlaws $133,000. So real quick, you know, serious, like, how much is $133,000 in 78 now? And it was like 680 now.

[Herman Schrader]

I had to go get it, guys. There it is. And check this out, Kenny. What. What an honor for everybody on dirty mo Media. I'm showing the Steve Kinser book with Dave argobright. And there it is. Black bold print forward by Kenny Schrader.

[Kenny Schrader]

Yeah, that was. That was. That was pretty neat. When they asked, I think I. I was asked because I had. You know, I'd raced with Steve some in the past. We'd. We'd done a few little things together. Nothing big, but had always been around him. And he ran the cup car, ran some sprint cars with him. We ran team cars at chili bowl one year. We shared some planes together to get some places and that. But I think the main thing is, over the last 10 years of camping together at Volusia, that I've drank with him more than anybody else. So I think that's why I got asked.

[Herman Schrader]

Yeah, it is. I just gotta say that when I go to Volusia, I do take, like, 10 seconds, and I just stare. You know, Craig, when Kenny Schrader, myself, would be drinking beer and I wouldn't know somebody because Kenny's lived, you know, I think I'm pretty worldly, but Kenny will give me a shortcut. He'll look at me while we're drinking, and he'll go, hero. That's. That's Schrader shortcut of telling me, this guy is.

[Kenny Schrader]

Yeah.

[Herman Schrader]

The business.

[Craig Moore]

He's the man, you know?

[Kenny Schrader]

Yeah. And, you know, you do that some people when you go up and you meet them and, you know, I mean, it's like meeting Bentley, Warren and stuff.

[Herman Schrader]

You know, I love that.

[Kenny Schrader]

Tell people about that. But, I mean, it's just. That is our shortcut.

[Herman Schrader]

Yeah. And I. And when I go to Volusia, just finishing up on that, you know, you're, as Ann would say, you're camper, which is a nice bus. You guys are parked close to each other. And I just stare. Craig. I'll look. I'm like, oh, my God, there's Steve Kinzer. He comes down there like, it's just Florida, you know, he's relaxing.

[Kenny Schrader]

Okay. Steve, you know, like, I hadn't had to buy Harriet, but I got a hat. But I didn't buy.

[Herman Schrader]

I bought mine.

[Kenny Schrader]

I. I didn't buy Harriet. And Steve's always had this hair, you know, a lot of hair and curly and all that. He walks into this luncheon thing we're at last week. I'm like, hell, that's Steve. He said he sat down. He went to one of them places, you know, that takes your phone number and, you know, and they look on the records how you want your hair cut. And he sits down and she says, is this your phone number? And he said, hell, by time I get my glasses and start looking to see if it was my phone number. The. The. The. The clippers were going. He said, I've never had clippers cut my hair in my life. He said, hell, I'll just be quiet and see how this winds up. Oh, it didn't look like Steve.

[Herman Schrader]

Yeah, that's something. I gotta see what he looks like now. Now you got me. So, okay, we have come to the end of the show, everybody. And, you know, Kenny, I'm a little Bit like you now can I? Well, go ahead, Craig. You. You go. I'm gonna save my joke and put it in. Oh, it's time for jokes, everybody. What up? Okay, what do we got, Craig?

[Craig Moore]

So let me bring up the first one. So it's from Anthony Bear. Why do blondes carry red pens?

[Herman Schrader]

Red pens like this, like a pen.

[Craig Moore]

Red pens like. Oh, yeah, yeah, A red, red ink pen. I don't know, in case they have to draw blood.

[Herman Schrader]

Jesus. Draw. Draw blood.

[Craig Moore]

Okay, and now we have two from Roger Harshbarger. He says that his nine year old granddaughter told these to him. So have you heard the joke about the bed? No wonder it hasn't been made yet. And have you heard the joke about the sidewalk?

[Herman Schrader]

No.

[Craig Moore]

Oh, come on. It's all over town.

[Herman Schrader]

Good stuff. Kenny, do you got one?

[Kenny Schrader]

No, but that's as good as anything else we've had.

[Herman Schrader]

Oh, I got one that's pretty funny, actually. I was traveling and saw it on social media, so I snapshotted it. Here's my joke. I could fart in my pocket and still not have a scent. You really got to think about that scent, you know?

[Craig Moore]

Scent. Money.

[Herman Schrader]

Yeah, Scent. Smells. Yeah. So, okay, well, yeah, some of ours are so liberal.

[Kenny Schrader]

Yeah, yeah. Some of ours are working on our jokes. Yeah.

[Herman Schrader]

Hey, people tune in for those jokes. You know, sometimes they fast forward to the jokes.

[Kenny Schrader]

Yeah. All right, everybody, they got a joke this week.

[Herman Schrader]

Now. Now, I. I love our show. Hey, people are commenting on this. I mean, I'm at the racetracks.

[Kenny Schrader]

Yeah. Have you. Oh, yeah. They got something to say. All right.

[Herman Schrader]

Okay. As brother Rusty would say, craig, edit all this up and make us look good.

[Craig Moore]

Don't worry about it. And it's gonna take me a while.

[Kenny Schrader]

But it's gonna take a while.

[Herman Schrader]

Yeah. Okay, everybody, remember, as we say every single weekend for our new. Our newbies. People, listen, if you want to see Kenny Schrader's pretty face, tune in to The Kenny Wallace YouTube show if you want to listen to this. If you want to put those earbuds in and listen. We are on Dirty Mo Media. Until the next time, everybody. We'll see you next week. Goodbye.

[Kenny Schrader]

Bye.

[Herman Schrader]

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